From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 04:41:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: What's a cornerette? Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.182515.0> Precedence: bulk Isn't that one of those attractive young ladies that appear out of nowhere on street corners, with those body hugging outfits, long curly locks, spike heels, uhhhhh .... but I digress. I think maybe Elisabeth may have some first hand knowledge of this subject. There are patterns for stained glass patterns available. In the states we call them gingerbread when they are made out of wood and are usually found on Victorian style houses. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 04:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!17b6sfj8 From: "Karen Klomparens" <17b6sfj8@softhouse.com> To: "Stained glass chat list" Subject: RE: Wood Frames not Stonework Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.201326.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to clarify a suggestion I posted on Tues. the 29th. I was referring to cornerettes, glass, and wood frames when I suggested the use of silicone. This was a reply to the following question Chris had asked. This has nothing to do with the current debate going on about installing a glass window into stone, and the level of experience needed to do so. Karen K. Subject: cornerette's Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:12:40 I am working on some cornerette's for a friend at work. I found the pattern in an old supply book. They have the oak frames in the book.. However, now that I am looking for the frames, none of the suppliers sell them anymore. Now I have a problem, I have the cornerettes completed and have no frame to put them in. My husband and I are trying to figure out a way to make them, but we are having a difficult time trying to get the glass to stay in the frame, since it will be free hanging. Can someone please give us some suggestions? thanks chris---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: original or memorex Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.195934.0> Precedence: bulk I saw an interesting way to express that you have used someone elses original idea...and gone from there... "Unique piece, adapted from...." I guess the original artist might read that as... "I am not quite as talented, so it doesnt look like the original?" Tulsa Suzanne, more craftsy than artsy -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Messages Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 00:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <199810010434.AAA11138@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >When the rest of you send in a message, do you ALWAYS get it back with >the rest of the bungi mail? >I don't seem to be! >Shirley B Almost always, Shirley, though sometimes I think I've missed one here or there. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Messages Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:47:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.94736.0> Precedence: bulk At 18:49 30/09/98 -0700, Shirley B wrote: >When the rest of you send in a message, do you ALWAYS get it back with >the rest of the bungi mail? >I don't seem to be! Only if I have remembered to change the To: line to glass@bungi.com - otherwise it just gets sent to the writer of the message I am responding to. Elizabeth in Bournemouth Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:27:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:47:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.94735.0> Precedence: bulk At 22:17 30/09/98 EDT, Susan wrote: ><< This is also a quatrefeuille project >> > >O.K.., I'll ask...What the heck is that? It is the description for a window space shaped like 4 circles that sort of overlap each other in the middle leaving about half of each circle forming a scalloped outside shape - easier to draw than describe. It is more usually in a church building filling in the space at the top of an arch and has just a groove in the stonework into which the outside lead of the window slots, not a normal rebate. You can also have tre-foil (three circle shape), cinque-foil (five) etc. EliZabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Rox4250 From: Rox4250@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: I AM SORRY, SO SORRY, PLEASE FORGIVE Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:54:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.25411.0> Precedence: bulk hi, i am rox4250 , the idiot that went bezerk over the email situation. thank most of you for being to kind to explain to me what i had gotten myself into. and to the others that i annoyed, i am sorry. i thought i was going crazy.............. maybe at a later date i will sign back up but i think i best let all "cool" down, again, i apologize sincerely, roxanne st. augustine, fl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:30:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unwanted mail Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:00:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.3040.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-09-30 05:46:33 EDT, you write: << Dear Rox.... Glass@Bungi is a stained glass discussion list. I>> I don't think she understands how a mailing list works. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Fwd: test 3] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:59:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.185953.0> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk -------- Original Message -------- Subject: test 3 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:52:40 -0400 From: Nadine Beth Schneider Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio To: GlassEnthus@erols.com I am sorry if I am trying your patience. . we've made the third set of changes and hope this may work--I am not getting my own messages! I think the problem lies in something set for Communicator beta 4.5. But I want y'all to know I really appreciate your letting me know what you are reading on your side. I know it takes alot of time and effort to answer these inane messages and again, I thank you! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass List , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 4th test Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:27:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.192743.0> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk i really regret the need to keep sending these messages, but some folks still are not getting my notes. for this test, i've turned off the v-card and changed the way i forward messages. hope this gets through and i appreciate your cooperation nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 05:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Common Ground Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:28:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199810011224.IAA02321@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Will the article on Mike go on the IGGA web site? I looked, but the last > issue was Spring '98. Some of us non-members want to see it! Sorry, Jerri, the issues go up once a year (there has to be *some advantage to being a member, after all ) and that's one of them: to get CGG far earlier than nonmembers get to see it. Check the site next Spring/early Summer. It should go up in May or June. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.31226.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings all, Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. I invited her to come to the States to meet fellow Bungians and hold some seminars with us. Since Elisabeth was kind enough to accept, I'd like to invite everyone to visit her at Warner-Crivellaro during her stay. We haven't ironed out a date just yet, but it will be sometime in August or September of 1999. To prepare for this wonderful visit, we would like to have your input. Here's what we are thinking: Either a demo or discussion would be best on subjects that are most interesting to the group. Some ideas: Lead came Use of found objects Perspectives of an English artist (slide show and discussion of projects) Feel free to make suggestions in the group or directly to Elisabeth at: toby@northlights.co.uk More to come as it develops, Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Re : THIS IS NOT MY MAIL, WHAT IS GOING ON? Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.11852.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:54 30/09/98 +0000, EliSabeth'n'Toby wrote: >wishes to thank EliZabeth in Bournemouth for her >indulgance with the "silly season"....) Dont mention it - sometimes we all need to relax and share a silly thought - just wait till its my turn ;-> EliZabeth Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Quatrefeuille: what is it? Was:Installing Stained-Glass Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:29:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.22944.0> Precedence: bulk Just what is Quatrefeuille? Yes, I rather have two pair of breaking pliers sometimes bu get by with one grozing (turned with the flat side up and on breaking. A tip I read recently, I think it was on the Dodge Studio site about how to break really thin strips. The suggestion was that if you needed really thin strips, to cut a strip twice the width you needed and then score it in half again. That way both sides of the break had equal pressure and wouldn't run off the score like sometimes happens with trying to break a really skinny strip off a big piece of glass. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Two groziers? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:12:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.12128.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/1/98 12:16:13 AM, studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: >At 09:58 30/09/98 -0500, Don wrote: > >>Just sat here wondering when I read your post... Do any of the newbies >>,or old timers(like me) use two groziers when thy want to separate small >>and sometimes,lengthy cuts. I don't own 2 grozers, but I have been known to hold a small or pointed piece of glass with a pair of regular pliers (with the jaws wrapped in a layer of masking tape; it keeps the "good" piece from chipping or crumbling) when grozing. Works very well. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: non-glass ; filtering messages Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:12:03 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.12123.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/1/98 3:36:43 AM, rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr wrote: > I recently discovered that my copy of Eudora Light does have filtering >capabilities... so right away I told it to filter the glassline messages >and put them in a special folder..... on most of them it works fine, >however I receive 5-10 a day that are glass messages, but they don't >mention glassline, so they don't get filtered. When I examined the header, >I can't really figure out why I am getting the messages at all... they >don't seem to mention either my address, or glassline....Does anyone know >what is going on? Here are some examples.... Neither Glass@bungi.com, nor >my address are listed.. This must be why Rox is freaking out. I've noticed that a lot of bungi-related messages come through that way, with no mention of glass@bungi.com, just the address of the sender and whoever they're replying to. Don't even mention that they're cc'ed to me. Yes, they're bungi messages, they just don't say so. I've never seen that happen with any other list, wonder if it's a quirk in the listserver program...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 06:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!17b6sfj8 From: "Karen Klomparens" <17b6sfj8@softhouse.com> To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: 2 groziers & lamps? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.51959.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Howard, I have 2 questions, First it seems like my groziers wear out fast and have to be replaced often. Is it me or the tool? I'm new to the list and don't know if we can talk brand names here of not. I did buy a pricey pair recently after quizzing my supplier, but don't have many days on them yet. Lamps. I have to fix a couple of hanging lamps from the tavern, they are 14 sided, very close to the Worden P20 series. To get to the pieces I have to replace can I take my itty-bitty hacksaw to cut thru the lead? I should mention that we have 2 extra lamps for spare parts. Appreciate any advice you have to offer. Put this off for so long, my husband asked me to fix them months ago. Karen K. Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: Subject: 2 groziers >For small tight inside curves on small pieces of glass they work very >well. A lot of times the hand held glass breaks because it has been >flexed and the groziers pull off the part you do not want. For long >pieces that you want to keep both sides of 2 groziers work real well. >Practice keeping the pressure from both pliers equal and not flexing >either pair more than the other one. >What no lampers with questions!!! >enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 07:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dover Books Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:55:21 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.125521.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I love Dover books. Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? Happy October 1st Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 07:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlanta Date: Thu Oct 1 06:34:05 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.4105.0> Precedence: bulk Linda I think we should all write stained glass resumes along the lines of the fictitious lurker's bio and send them to Mr. Bussey Vic -----Original Message----- From: Northernlights [mailto:Northernlights@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 4:08 PM To: Linda Campbell; glass Subject: Re: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlanta Linda, good note to Mr. Bussey...glad you wrote it because I really don't think he wants ALL of us here on Bungi to be e-mailing any flares to him directly....might crash his poor old server! Linda Campbell wrote: > Mr. Tim Bussey: > > This message was sent to a glass related discussion list. I am a member of > the list and do not particularly want to see non-glass related posts to > this group. I doubt that anyone will be interested in the positions you > describe. > > Please remove "glass@bungi.com" from your mailing list. I'm sure that as a > reputable company, you will honor my request. > > Thankyou, > > Linda Campbell > > ---------- > From: Tim Bussey - IT Force, Inc.[SMTP:tbussey@itforce.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:19 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlanta > > Hi, I have two positions that I feel might be in line with your= > skills. My client, a Big 6 consulting firm here in Atlanta is= > clipped........ > 6. Job # interested in: 1781 or 2004 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 07:42:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlanta Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.54230.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, and maybe we should keep them handy for future spammers. Linda Vic said Linda I think we should all write stained glass resumes along the lines of the fictitious lurker's bio and send them to Mr. Bussey Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 07:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Sep30.234431.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk How absolutely exciting for all of us! And this advanced notice is great, will give us all time to prepare. Thanks Charles and Elisabeth, I for one will be there with bells on! What we are all wondering about? How she solders in the buff. The perspectives of an English artist sounded very interesting to me too. Or hitting on some of the basics of glass work, some kind of tip and technique forum I'm thinking. Anyone in the W/C area that wants to invite some bungians to stay with them for a day or so would be a great help too. *s* Congrats to Elisabeth!! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 08:00:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RdHdFilly From: RdHdFilly@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Email Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:52:55 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.135255.0> Precedence: bulk Please sign me up for your newsletter Thanks Sandi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 08:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: "Charles Warner" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:02:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.6239.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Charles! Great idea! I vote for the "Perspectives of an English Artist" since we all know Elisabeth's perspectives are quite different. Maybe this should be "Perspectives of a Swedish artist living in England" so as not to offend her Swedish background or dog! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 08:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass ; filtering messages Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.646.0> References: <<1998Oct1.12123.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/98 3:36:43 AM, rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr wrote: > > > I recently discovered that my copy of Eudora Light does have filtering > >capabilities... so right away I told it to filter the glassline messages > >and put them in a special folder..... on most of them it works fine, > >however I receive 5-10 a day that are glass messages, but they don't > >mention glassline, so they don't get filtered. When I examined the header, > >I can't really figure out why I am getting the messages at all... they > >don't seem to mention either my address, or glassline....Does anyone know > >what is going on? Here are some examples.... Neither Glass@bungi.com, nor > >my address are listed.. > > This must be why Rox is freaking out. I've noticed that a lot of bungi-related > messages come through that way, with no mention of glass@bungi.com, just the > address of the sender and whoever they're replying to. Don't even mention that > they're cc'ed to me. Yes, they're bungi messages, they just don't say so. I've > never seen that happen with any other list, wonder if it's a quirk in the > listserver program...... > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the way i sort them out is to llok at the bottom of the message. if it has a fresh subscription to bungi line, then it's to bungi. otherwise it's not. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 08:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Messages Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.5497.0> References: <<1998Sep30.114946.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > When the rest of you send in a message, do you ALWAYS get it back with > the rest of the bungi mail? > I don't seem to be! > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah that's how it's always been. i write a mesage i get a copy too... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 08:48:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199809302359.AAA17182@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk what about using those glass framing clips? the original poster did say that there was a piece of clear glass already in place. these clips could be placed against the stone, and holes with lag screws or cement anchors could be used instead of regular screws or nails to hold them in. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Dover" Subject: Dover Books Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct1.125521.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk > > Hi all! > > I love Dover books. > Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? > > Happy October 1st > Laura i don't believe they accept either phone orders or web orders. you have to smail them their order form. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.164232.0> Precedence: bulk At 07:12 01/10/98 -0400, Charles wrote: > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately >discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. >Some ideas: > Perspectives of an English artist (slide show and discussion > of projects) Dont let EliSabeth hear you calling her English - one more target for Toby? EliZabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:15:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subject Line was Re: Re : THIS IS NOT MY MAIL, WHAT IS GOING ON? Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.65717.0> References: <<199809302300.AAA16447@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk This thread now has nothing to do with Rox unknowingly being S*bscribed to Bungi. I have be deleting all posts with this subject line for a few days. Accidently I opened this one, and see that (I guess) a number of posts are discussing Grozing. PLEASE, if a thread seriously diverts from it's origin, PLEASE change the subject line. Thank you for your support. > > Well Hello Don, > > It IS nice to hear from you more regularly these days. snip -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Dover Books Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.7650.0> Precedence: bulk They do not appear to have a web presence but here is there address: Dover Publications 31 East 2nd St. Mineola, N.Y. 11501 Mail order only Large selection Period books, Clipart, very inexpensive ---------- From: HiimLaura@aol.com[SMTP:HiimLaura@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:55 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dover Books Hi all! I love Dover books. Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? Happy October 1st Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:42:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Spamming spammers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:17:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810011814.OAA15994@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I think we should all write stained glass resumes along the lines of > the fictitious lurker's bio and send them to Mr. Bussey Aw, that wouldn't be nice. Two wrongs, etc. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:25:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199810011521.IAA23787@nfs1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > Hey Charles! Great idea! I vote for the "Perspectives of > an English Artist" since we all know Elisabeth's perspectives > are quite different. Maybe this should be "Perspectives of > a Swedish artist living in England" so as not to offend her > Swedish background or dog! > > Christie A. Wood Or, how about perspectives of a Swedish artist living in England and contemplating the foibles of an Irishman living in Texas? Seriously, it would be great to hear Elisabeth on ANY topic. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 09:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: virus alert Date: Thu Oct 1 08:42:31 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.61831.0> Precedence: bulk Got this from the operations department at work today. They are usually accurate and up to date with this sort of stuff. Don't know how well informed the group is on this stuff, but thought it should go out. I'm sure I'll hear if you feel this is an improper message. Vic > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went into circulation > yesterday, as far as we know. be very careful. Please distribute this > to as many people as possible. What the screen saver offers is a > file: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)DL time(28800bps): 1minute If you > down load it, someone from the internet will get your screen name and > password. Remember > not to download the BUDDYLST.ZIP. This is a new, very malicious virus > and not many people know about it . This information was announced > yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that > might access the internet. Once again, pass this along to everyone > in your address book so that this may be stopped. > > If you receive an e-mail like this please don't open ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 10:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.72126.0> References: <<1998Oct1.31226.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Charles Warner wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately > discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. > > > Feel free to make suggestions in the group or directly to Elisabeth at: > toby@northlights.co.uk > I wanna see her solder NAKED. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 11:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: FW: virus alert Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.93622.0> Precedence: bulk Do a "hotbot" search of and each and every site you see will tell you that this is a hoax. The bud screensaver can be obtained from Anheiser Boush (sp) web site. Linda ---------- From: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano[SMTP:daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:42 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: FW: virus alert Got this from the operations department at work today. They are usually accurate and up to date with this sort of stuff. Don't know how well informed the group is on this stuff, but thought it should go out. I'm sure I'll hear if you feel this is an improper message. Vic > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went into circulation > yesterday, as far as we know. be very careful. Please distribute this > to as many people as possible. What the screen saver offers is a > file: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)DL time(28800bps): 1minute If you > down load it, someone from the internet will get your screen name and > password. Remember > not to download the BUDDYLST.ZIP. This is a new, very malicious virus > and not many people know about it . This information was announced > yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that > might access the internet. Once again, pass this along to everyone > in your address book so that this may be stopped. > > If you receive an e-mail like this please don't open ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 11:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: P.S. VIC Was:RE: virus alert Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.93231.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, Are you a membr of the list? Why can't I send mail to you by hitting reply to all? It just bounces. What kind of address is "daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano"? ---------- From: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano[SMTP:daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:42 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: FW: virus alert Got this from the operations department at work today. They are usually accurate and up to date with this sort of stuff. Don't know how well informed the group is on this stuff, but thought it should go out. I'm sure I'll hear if you feel this is an improper message. Vic > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went into circulation > yesterday, as far as we know. be very careful. Please distribute this > to as many people as possible. What the screen saver offers is a > file: BUDSAVER.EXE (24643 bytes)DL time(28800bps): 1minute If you > down load it, someone from the internet will get your screen name and > password. Remember > not to download the BUDDYLST.ZIP. This is a new, very malicious virus > and not many people know about it . This information was announced > yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that > might access the internet. Once again, pass this along to everyone > in your address book so that this may be stopped. > > If you receive an e-mail like this please don't open ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 11:54:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: virus alert Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.95619.0> References: <<1998Oct2.61831.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Please forward this URL to your tech department: http://www.Europe.Datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm#budfrogs This one has been around since sometime in 1997. daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: > > Got this from the operations department at work today. They are > usually accurate and up to date with this sort of stuff. > Don't know how well informed the group is on this stuff, but thought it > should go out. > I'm sure I'll hear if you feel this is an improper message. > > Vic > > > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very > desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" > (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will > crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went > into circulation > yesterday, > as far as we know. be very careful. Please distribute this > > to as many people as possible. > > What the screen saver offers is a > file: BUDSAVER.EXE > (24643 bytes)DL time(28800bps): 1minute If you > > down load it, someone from the internet will get your > screen name and > password. > > Remember > not to download the BUDDYLST.ZIP. This is a new, very > malicious virus > and not many people know about it . > This information was announced > yesterday morning from Microsoft. > Please share it with everyone that > might access the internet. > Once again, pass this along to everyone > in your address book > so that this may be stopped. > > > > If you receive an e-mail like this please don't open > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Dover Books Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.85049.0> Precedence: bulk Of course a lot of their books are available at Amazon.com and I think you can order from the igga web page. How about it Albert? Linda ---------- From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com[SMTP:Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:45 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dover Books > > Hi all! > > I love Dover books. > Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? > > Happy October 1st > Laura i don't believe they accept either phone orders or web orders. you have to smail them their order form. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: 2 groziers & Lamp Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.93231.0> Precedence: bulk Howard, Luckily for me the lamps are done in lead came and NOT FOIL. Foil repair work and I don't seem to get along very well. Thanks for the reply. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Two groziers? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.94846.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Christie A. Wood, Ensembles TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 10/1/98 10:02 AM RE: Two groziers? Well gang, I don't use two groziers, but I do use one grozier and one regular plier. I'm right handed. I hold the grozier in the right hand and regular pliers in the left. I've had very, very few time (maybe twice) when I've crushed the glass from the regular pliers. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlanta Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: <199810011638.JAA28961@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Yes, and maybe we should keep them handy for future spammers. > >Linda > >Vic said > >Linda > >I think we should all write stained glass resumes along the lines of >the fictitious lurker's bio and send them to Mr. Bussey > >Vic Or we could just put him on the mailing list for a few days...it was enough to send Roxy screaming for cover!!! Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199810011638.JAA28937@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >It is the description for a window space shaped like 4 circles that sort of >overlap each other in the middle leaving about half of each circle forming a >scalloped outside shape - easier to draw than describe. >It is more usually in a church building filling in the space at the top of >an arch and has just a groove in the stonework into which the outside lead >of the window slots, not a normal rebate. Hmmm, my description would go like this...a square that has a semi-circular pimple protruding from the middle of each side... Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 12:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: urban legends, viruses... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.91737.0> Precedence: bulk For latest in urban legends, viruses, etc., checkout: Urban Legends and Folklore - Home Page http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/mbody.htm Computer Virus Myths home page http://www.kumite.com/myths/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 14:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Begging for bios Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.125046.0> Precedence: bulk What with all this unseemly begging for bios that is going on, I feel I should warn you that Emeraldine is not the only character that shares my brain. (And when they all talk to each other in the middle of the night, well...) Just catching up with the mail while I await my turn with the soldering iron... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 14:49:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.125946.0> References: <<199810011521.IAA23787@nfs1.bctel.ca>> Precedence: bulk One MORE trip to Allentown? Gee, maybe I'll have to get a permanent campsite! What a great idea, Charles and Elisabeth. Can the Allentown airport handle the crush? (Hoping it'll be August because I'll probably be doing craft fairs in September!) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 15:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: virus alert Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:30:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.113033.0> References: <<1998Oct2.61831.0>> Precedence: bulk I dont know about that specific zipped file, but I had the budsaver.exe for along time over a year ago. It is a cute screen saver if you like that sort of thing. Maybe Miller doesnt like the bud frogs. Suzanne daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: > > Got this from the operations department at work today. They are > usually accurate and up to date with this sort of stuff. > Don't know how well informed the group is on this stuff, but thought it > should go out. > I'm sure I'll hear if you feel this is an improper message. > > Vic > > > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very > desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" > (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will > crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went > into circulation > yesterday, > as far as we know. be very careful. Please distribute this > > to as many people as possible. > > What the screen saver offers is a > file: BUDSAVER.EXE > (24643 bytes)DL time(28800bps): 1minute If you > > down load it, someone from the internet will get your > screen name and > password. > > Remember > not to download the BUDDYLST.ZIP. This is a new, very > malicious virus > and not many people know about it . > This information was announced > yesterday morning from Microsoft. > Please share it with everyone that > might access the internet. > Once again, pass this along to everyone > in your address book > so that this may be stopped. > > > > If you receive an e-mail like this please don't open > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 15:58:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 2 groziers Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.131347.0> References: <<1998Sep30.4580.0>> Precedence: bulk eldondo1@juno.com wrote: > Just sat here wondering when I read your post... Do any of the newbies > ,or old timers(like me) use two groziers when thy want to separate small > and sometimes,lengthy cuts. Just butt the groziers on the score and > pull,I have been doing this for years and wondered if it wasn't something > that should be passed on...Enjoy your posts EliZabeth and also EliSabeth > 'n Toby > Don > Sure, Don, go ahead and ask a glass question. I find this technique also useful when breaking a small bit off an already small piece. (It has to be really tiny to get thrown away around here!) But, of course, you can't ave a pice of glass wider than the throat of you pliers... For long breaks, I often gently start the run on each end with running pliers. Dorothy K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 16:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: not a happy camper Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:35:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.123556.0> Precedence: bulk Nunnikoven got my molds to me very quickly. I didnt think I would get them until next week. The only good thing about them so far. Hopefully tomorrow I can tell you that they said we will take them back and give you a refund no problem. I am disapointed in the molds, they are not perfect molds. When I pay $22 each for 2 molds, I expect them to be perfect. They were supposed to send me a free catalog also, and did not, not that I care now, as I do not plan to order anything from them again. The molds were shipped via UPS...partially covered with cardboard, and taped. No invoice, reciept or anything. And these people have my credit card number! ;o) I havent been able to get them on the phone yet, as they go home a 4pm. Grrr. I just want a refund, then will order from Meridith! I wish I had seen Meridiths online catalog first. The imperfections on these molds will look like air bubbles on the rounded corners. I dont know for sure that they would be noticable...but they may not take them back if they have already been used. Tulsa Suzanne... -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 17:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Calling Mary Austin, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:26:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199810012332.AAA22007@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Mary Austin, Please give me your snail-mail address again. Have now (finally!) replenished my printer ink cartridges and will send you the article. Sorry it's taken so long.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 18:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:26:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199810012332.AAA22026@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thank you EliZabeth in Bournmouth! You allowed me to take breath! Not only has term just got into full swing again, but a certain gentleman called Mr. Warner has rather kept me on my toes lately.... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire (UK) EliZabeth in Bournemouth wrote: > It is the description for a window space shaped like 4 circles that sort of > overlap each other in the middle leaving about half of each circle forming a > scalloped outside shape - easier to draw than describe. > It is more usually in a church building filling in the space at the top of > an arch and has just a groove in the stonework into which the outside lead > of the window slots, not a normal rebate. > You can also have tre-foil (three circle shape), cinque-foil (five) etc. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 19:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:26:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199810012332.AAA22026@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thank you EliZabeth in Bournmouth! You allowed me to take breath! Not only has term just got into full swing again, but a certain gentleman called Mr. Warner has rather kept me on my toes lately.... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire (UK) EliZabeth in Bournemouth wrote: > It is the description for a window space shaped like 4 circles that sort of > overlap each other in the middle leaving about half of each circle forming a > scalloped outside shape - easier to draw than describe. > It is more usually in a church building filling in the space at the top of > an arch and has just a groove in the stonework into which the outside lead > of the window slots, not a normal rebate. > You can also have tre-foil (three circle shape), cinque-foil (five) etc. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Jan7th From: Jan7th@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Please remove Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:38:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct1.23382.0> Precedence: bulk Hi there, Please remove my name from the mailing list for a while. Thanks, Jan7th ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Messages Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.103445.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Thank you all for your responses. I do know to send my messages to bungi. And I am sure that is what I did. But in the last two weeks two of messages were not returned. They were not earthshaking comments. But I had shared about using curtain rods for the cornerettes. Someone had mentioned curtain rods in a later post. So I was wondering if that had come from my comment(which I never got back with the group mail)or was it their own knowledge. Just curious. Thanks again. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Dover Books Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:30:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.103045.0> References: <<1998Oct1.125521.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I just bought a few of their little $1 ones to make designs with. No email on the 1998 copyright one. Their address is. Dover Publications, Inc., 31 East 2nd Street, Mineola, N>Y> 11501 An interesting side note on these. Dover is one publication that states on the inside cover that you can use their illustrations for craft projects without their approval for the first 4 times you do it. After that they want to be notified etc. The older copyright's I just purcharsed stated that. But the 1998 ones did not. Does anyone know if they have changed this policy? Shirley B HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all! > > I love Dover books. > Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? > > Happy October 1st > Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not a happy camper Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:02:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct2.1251.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/1/98 7:20:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: << Hopefully tomorrow I can tell you that they said we will take them back and give you a refund no problem. >> Since you used a credit card, there probably will be no problem as long as you return the molds. Once they are no longer in your posession, and as long as their catalog (which you don't have) doesn't state no returns, if they don't give you a refund credit you just need to write a note to your credit card provider or fill out the form they might have on the back of your bill. You just say you are disputing the charge because the merchandise was returned for credit due to poor quality. And then deduct the charge from your bill. Then the ball goes back to Nunnikoven to prove why the charge should stand, which they can't if you've returned the goods. I work for a mail order company and this happens every day. No sweat. Not to knock Meredith's forms because the prices are good (I paid quite a bit more for my first one, a 16" hexagon), but I wanted to have a few on hand to pour all at once so ordered four 12" round molds from a place called Improvements for $17.99. The plastic isn't as heavy and they are only 1-1/2" thick but I think they'll do for my purposes. I have seen these molds (only round and cobblestone, uneven shapes) in quite a few gardening and home supply catalogs recently. They are also showing something called an Oddjob, which is a concrete mixer that mixes up to 60 lbs of dry concrete at a time by rolling it with your foot. I ordered one from somewhere else because it was cheaper ($29?) but haven't gotten it yet. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Calling Pamela Burnes-Jones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:59:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199810020105.CAA29834@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Pam, Please get in touch with me off-group! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Brown paper packages :))) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.152034.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Remind me to tell you about the time I ran into the 'Quick Mart' many years ago, leaving my car windows down. There was a cute little brown paper package sitting on the front seat. Imagine my chagrin when I came out and discovered it was stolen, then I nearly fell down laughing when I imagined the thief's reaction when they opened it to find two well formed dog stools I'd been on the way to the vets with, to get tested for worms. Still funny now, 30 years later. Much love, Lee Toby wrote: > > I'll do better than that!! > I'll send some real byproducts by snail-mail.... (and it won't be > "digestIVE".... it'll be "digestED" .. :-> ) Perhaps I save > some to send to the Liposuction people too. > Howzat! > E 'n T > > > > > OTOH, that might not be such a bad idea........ heh heh heh........ Gee, I > > wonder if there's a way for Elisabeth to e-mail him some nice ripe canine > > digestive byproducts, size extra-large? THAT would get his attention! > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: not a happy camper Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.171113.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I hate it when that happens with mail order. Hope they make it right with you. I couldn't find Meridiths Online Catalog, did a search and came up with 500,000 titles to go thru and finally gave up. Could you please lead me in the right direction? Thanks! :-) Karen K. . >Nunnikoven got my molds to me very quickly. I didnt think I would get >them until next week. The only good thing about them so far. >Hopefully tomorrow I can tell you that they said we will take them >back and give you a refund no problem. I am disapointed in the >molds, they are not perfect molds. When I pay $22 each for 2 molds, >I expect them to be perfect. They were supposed to send me a free >catalog also, and did not, not that I care now, as I do not plan to order >anything from them again. The molds were shipped via >UPS...partially covered with cardboard, and taped. No invoice, >reciept or anything. And these people have my credit card number! ;o) > >I havent been able to get them on the phone yet, as they go home a 4pm. Grrr. >I just want a refund, then will order from Meridith! I wish I had seen >Meridiths online catalog first. The imperfections on these molds will >look like air bubbles on the rounded corners. I dont know for sure >that they would be noticable...but they may not take them back if they >have already been used. > >Tulsa Suzanne... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dover Books Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:40:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct2.04046.0> Precedence: bulk I have a phone number for Dover of 516-294-7000 and fax number of 516-742-5049. They have a pretty low minimum quantity to get a discount, but unless you have an account with them you have to send a check with the order. But you could call to get a catalog and order form. When I first started glass about 2-3 years ago I bought 14 books and got a 40% discount and paid $48.78 total (no shipping and handling). Prices have gone up, probably about 10%. Hope this helps. Brenda In a message dated 10/1/98 10:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HiimLaura@aol.com writes: << I love Dover books. Anyone have a number or link for a catalog >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 20:56:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:47:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct2.0476.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/1/98 9:10:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, charles@warner- criv.com writes: << We haven't ironed out a date just yet, but it will be sometime in August or September of 1999. >> It would be great if Elisabeth's visit could be arranged close to Glass Visions so we bungians could kill two birds with one plane ticket. I'm sure whatever topics are chosen, they will be enlightening. Brenda Marhon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 21:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FW: virus alert Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:52:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct2.2527.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-01 12:53:31 EDT, you write: << > Someone in the INTERNET is sending out a very desirable screen saver, > called "The Budweiser Frogs" (Buddylst. Zip)!!! But if you download > it, you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash. Don't > download this under any circumstances!!! It just went into circulation > yesterday, >> I've been seeing this alert for about 6 months now. Dianne in FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 21:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:56:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FW: virus alert Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:53:48 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct2.25348.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-01 14:17:15 EDT, lcbell@memach.com writes: << Do a "hotbot" search of and each and every site you see will tell you that this is a hoax. The bud screensaver can be obtained from Anheiser Boush (sp) web site. Linda >> Yes, I downloaded it from AOL about 4 months ago and it works great, never had trouble with the screen saver. Dianne in FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 21:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Multiple messages Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct1.192445.0> Precedence: bulk Just wondering if anyone else has been getting multiple posts of the same message? Seems to be happening an awful lot lately, but I don't know if it's on my end or not? Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 21:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Meridiths Online Cat. Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.202623.0> Precedence: bulk Lu Ann, Just found it, was cruising around Mike's web page and there it was. I guess the regular search engines aren't as interested in glass as we are. Thanks anyway. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 22:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not a happy camper Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:45:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.204510.0> References: <<1998Oct1.171113.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.meredithglass.com/ Nice company to deal with. Hope this helps Goldpaws Karen K. wrote: > Suzanne, I hate it when that happens with mail order. Hope they make it > right with you. I couldn't find Meridiths Online Catalog, did a search and > came up with 500,000 titles to go thru and finally gave up. Could you > please lead me in the right direction? Thanks! :-) > > Karen K. . > >Nunnikoven got my molds to me very quickly. I didnt think I would get > >them until next week. The only good thing about them so far. >Hopefully > tomorrow I can tell you that they said we will take them >back and give you > a refund no problem. I am disapointed in the >molds, they are not perfect > molds. When I pay $22 each for 2 molds, >I expect them to be perfect. They > were supposed to send me a free >catalog also, and did not, not that I care > now, as I do not plan to order >anything from them again. The molds were > shipped via >UPS...partially covered with cardboard, and taped. No > invoice, > >reciept or anything. And these people have my credit card number! ;o) > > > >I havent been able to get them on the phone yet, as they go home a 4pm. > Grrr. > >I just want a refund, then will order from Meridith! I wish I had seen > >Meridiths online catalog first. The imperfections on these molds will >look > like air bubbles on the rounded corners. I dont know for sure >that they > would be noticable...but they may not take them back if they >have already > been used. > > > >Tulsa Suzanne... > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 1 23:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: not a happy camper Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct1.195315.0> Precedence: bulk > Suzanne, I hate it when that happens with mail order. Hope they make it > right with you. I couldn't find Meridiths Online Catalog, did a search and > came up with 500,000 titles to go thru and finally gave up. Could you > please lead me in the right direction? Thanks! :-) > Sure, good luck finding what you are looking for! http://www.meredithglass.com/catalog.asp Also, did you see Charles' post regarding price matching at Warner-Crivellaro? Since I seem to be advertising for different people, I better give them each equal time! ;o) http://208.202.5.113/wc/search.asp Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 03:51:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 03:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: not a happy camper Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.2322.0> Precedence: bulk And most credit card companies will help you if you have problems. LInda ---------- From: BMarhon@aol.com[SMTP:BMarhon@aol.com] Since you used a credit card, there probably will be no problem as long as you return the molds. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 04:15:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 03:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:49:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.24958.0> Precedence: bulk Carol: Now that I understand. Great description. I can see it right away. By the way I love your yin yang nautilus shells. Very original and imaginative. Thanks, LInda Hmmm, my description would go like this...a square that has a semi-circular pimple protruding from the middle of each side... Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 06:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pdq.net!larsonrw From: "Ron and Wendy Larson" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: foil not sticking Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:20:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.32013.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDEDDD.7A860240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having a lot of problems getting my copper foil to stick to my = glass. I even bought a new package and still have same problem. Washing = the glass after cutting (I use a Tarus saw) still doesnt help! Please = email me directly, off list. Thanks!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDEDDD.7A860240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am having a lot of problems = getting my copper=20 foil to stick to my glass. I even bought a new package and still have = same=20 problem. Washing the glass after cutting (I use a Tarus saw) still = doesnt help!=20 Please email me directly, off list. Thanks!
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDEDDD.7A860240-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 07:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Brown paper packages :))) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.52811.0> Precedence: bulk Many years ago, when living in New York City, they had a garbage man's strike. Getting rid of it became a real problem. Some bright people gift wrapped the stuff and took it with them on the subway to have it stolen, hopefully. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:52 PM Subject: Brown paper packages :))) >Remind me to tell you about the time I ran into the 'Quick Mart' many >years ago, leaving my car windows down. There was a cute little brown >paper package sitting on the front seat. Imagine my chagrin when I came >out and discovered it was stolen, then I nearly fell down laughing when >I imagined the thief's reaction when they opened it to find two well >formed dog stools I'd been on the way to the vets with, to get tested >for worms. > >Still funny now, 30 years later. > >Much love, > >Lee > >Toby wrote: >> >> I'll do better than that!! >> I'll send some real byproducts by snail-mail.... (and it won't be >> "digestIVE".... it'll be "digestED" .. :-> ) Perhaps I save >> some to send to the Liposuction people too. >> Howzat! >> E 'n T >> >> > >> > OTOH, that might not be such a bad idea........ heh heh heh........ Gee, I >> > wonder if there's a way for Elisabeth to e-mail him some nice ripe canine >> > digestive byproducts, size extra-large? THAT would get his attention! >> > >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 07:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Happy Camper now Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.3573.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted you guys to know that I spoke with Bob Carter at the Nunnikoven Group this morning. He was very helpful. He offered to make it right in what ever way I wanted. They are having UPS pick up the molds, and crediting my credit card. He said he will send me a catalog right away. Guess they arent going to charge me now.? Also, I mentioned that there was no invoice packed with the molds, I was informed they were sent separately. Anyway, I just wanted to let you all know that Nummikoven has been very easy to deal with, and they are more than willing to make things right if a problem occurs. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 12:05:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct2.41424.0> References: <<1998Oct1.72126.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob, is this not a contradiction to your "shyguy" handle? On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > Charles Warner wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > > > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately > > discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. > > > > > Feel free to make suggestions in the group or directly to Elisabeth at: > > toby@northlights.co.uk > > > I wanna see her solder NAKED. > > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 12:37:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Toby Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct2.4730.0> References: <<199809302359.AAA17182@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Everyone is disagreeing with me for encouraging the newbie to go ahead and make the panel. After one panel, the newbie has the basic skills. A next panel made to size is simple reinforcement. For the most part, students new to stained glass rarely bite off more than they can chew. Maybe my experience working with air force type people and engineers have made me believe students can do whatever they set out to do. Once they have the basic skills, they start undertaking projects they can grow with. I simply do not discourage them when they have the motivation and initiative to move forward. What's involved here is reinforcement of their basic skills. How long it takes is another issue. If the panel has a lot of pieces, we are talking about time rather than skill. Okay, Albert. End of discussion. I have to admit that off line I still encouraged the newbie to press on and keep us informed of his/her progress. And Elisabeth: The newbie is probably doing copperfoil work which is much easier for newbies than lead came. Please, I have a headache today so go easy with me. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 13:35:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netonecom.net!nkitchen From: "Nancy Kitchen" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: help Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.115449.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEE1C.FC388760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New to IGGA web site. Just discovered I wasn't alone in this world. = Retired Art Teacher gone glass nut(sandblasting and chemical etching). = I am obsessed... Interested in chat possibility, but not real bright on = how to access it. Am also a new computer fan. Living in northern = Michigan.. appreciate help on steps to be taken to get on or at least = see what others are saying/doing in chat.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEE1C.FC388760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New to IGGA web site.  Just = discovered I=20 wasn't alone in this world.  Retired Art Teacher gone glass=20 nut(sandblasting and chemical etching).  I am obsessed... = Interested in=20 chat possibility, but not real bright on how to access it.  Am also = a new=20 computer fan.  Living in northern Michigan.. appreciate help on = steps to be=20 taken to get on or at least see what others are saying/doing in chat.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEE1C.FC388760-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 14:05:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.11438.0> References: <> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk If you knew me, you would know that 'shy' isn't in my vocabulary, which makes it the perfect pseudonym. Keep's e'm guessing Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Bob, is this not a contradiction to your "shyguy" handle? > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > > Charles Warner wrote: > > > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately > > > discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. > > > > > > > Feel free to make suggestions in the group or directly to Elisabeth at: > > > toby@northlights.co.uk > > > > > I wanna see her solder NAKED. > > > > -- > > Adults are obsolete children > > Theodore Geisel > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 14:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199810022007.VAA28181@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Guys, I can tell you for SURE. I just AIN'T going to come to USA and solder at Midnight in the BUFF!!! (pale blue tu-tu or NOT!!) That's F I N A L !!!! Believe me.... I am actually a real shy little flower from Sweden...... Jay...SSSus, what expectations DO you have of me???? I am ALREADY totally disintegrating from "stage-fright".... Soldering in the BUFF.... totally restricted to the security, safety, non-visibility of my OWN English Country Garden in the deepest depth of Hertfordshire, where I myself have planted, nurtured and grown my OWN roses. "Tough Cheese" ...you lecherous "voyreurs" (sp??) HHHhhhhrrruuuummmmpppphhhhhh!!! Elisabeth 'n (very watchful & protective) Toby in UK > Bob, is this not a contradiction to your "shyguy" handle? > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > > Charles Warner wrote: > > > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately > > > discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. > > > > > > > Feel free to make suggestions in the group or directly to Elisabeth at: > > > toby@northlights.co.uk > > > > > I wanna see her solder NAKED. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 15:03:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Indexing bungi archives Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:36:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199810030035.UAA29735@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Whew! The first year's done and is now indexing. The first three months of bungi's operation (March-May 1995) are kinda chunky, meaning you'll still have to plow through a smaller chunk (March is broken into three parts, I think; May is in five), but from June '95 onward, each message has its own separate web page ... 485 of 'em, so far. You all *do talk. ... which means that as soon as the reindexing's done (it's running now and should be finished in an hour or so), you'll be able to search for, say, "birdcage" and "glass" and find the messages that discussed those two things. If you also use "+archive" as a keyword, it'll force the engine to restrict the search to bungi.com's chatter, exempting any CGG articles or such on the Guild's site. So this evening, those of you who've been on bungi since early days can go back and revisit those days of yesteryear, when men were men and women weren't, and all our keyboards were new and undirtied. By the way, when I saw them, I deleted the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests. Otherwise, I made no changes to text, nor did I edit anyone, so don't get cross with me that some of those re-iteratively reitertive posts are now web pages. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 17:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Indexing bungi archives Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810030313.XAA07703@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk >... which means that as soon as the reindexing's done (it's running now > and should be finished in an hour or so) Best laid plans gang oft agley (B.B.) ... sorry, it has to reindex again. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 17:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Indexing bungi archives Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.162011.0> Precedence: bulk "re-iteratively reiterative posts" Albert? Are you trying to say that some folks don't edit their replies and eat up valuable = archive storage with redundant garbage?? Well, anyway, thanks for your good efforts in making the archives easier to use. Best regards, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = P.S. Do you really have to change all those URL's in the Common Ground membership listings? No wonder you're tired. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 18:07:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Crossing the pond Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.144234.0> Precedence: bulk Another British invasion????? Didn't they learn in 1812 or the 1960's. Quick somebody call the Immigration Office an undesirable alien is approaching. Personally I would like to see a demo of the famous (or infamous) Swedish-English solder hop and the scars to prove past performances. I'll show her my TuTu if she shows her scars. Let's see ..... that gives me about 11 months to make it to Australia or maybe Tasmania. BTW I've changed from the floral tiara to a feather tiara. Got rid of the bees and wasps but am now being watched closely by hawks and buzzards. Seriously ..... Nevermind no one would ever believe me anyway. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 18:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.162025.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, gang, a little respect is in order here! We have a grand opportunity (thanks to Charles Warner) for a very experienced stained glass teacher to share a European perspective with us. I know all the kidding is good- natured, but I haven't read TOO many responses from folks about what Elisabeth's workshops at W-C should cover. How about some constructive feedback. I know you don't think this would be a great idea, love, but I think a workshop dealing with crests/ emblems/heralds would be great and highly unusual in this country. I'm sure you have the historical know-how to teach it! What about clock faces? Whatever your teaching, make it heavy on the history because that's a forte and your audience will gobble it up! We've figured out the vertical sundial windows, so scrap that idea (they are so cool, the gnomon is on the outside, they're read from the inside.) Anyway, let's hear some serious ideas from other folks out there, especially those who regularly attend W-C events! And, as an afterthought, maybe we can keep Elisabeth in the country a bit = longer if some of you other retailers across the country host her and a workshop at your locations. She could work her way across the = country so we could ALL meet her! You game, Elisabeth??! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 2 20:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Charles Warner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:50:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct2.18508.0> References: <<1998Oct1.31226.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Elisabeth Roberg (Elisabeth from UK) and I have been privately > discussing bringing her style here to the US for all to share. ... > August or September of 1999. To prepare for this wonderful visit, > we would like to have your input. What a lovely idea, Charles. I would love a workshop on lead came, please. The idea of having her come around glass visions is swell, but please, no the same days. There is so much going on already that I fear her knowledge would get lost in the shuffle! Toby comes too? yeah yeah yeah. Coming is no problem. Going home is the nightmare. Couldn't he be dressed up as a really hairy child? Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 00:33:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: hilary@voicenet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 03:21:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.72126.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/2/98 10:39:15 PM Central Daylight Time, hilary@voicenet.com writes: << charles@warner-criv.com (Charles Warner) >> I understand your point about scheduling Elisabeth during W-C's glass extravaganza, however, for those of us traveling half-way across the country and further (Texas, Canada, etc.) it might not be very feasible for everyone to make two trips instead of just one. For everyone wanting to participate in W-C's extravaganza and see Elisabeth at work, it would only make sense to incorporate both events at the same time. Of course, this is just my opinion. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 03:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: My measurements! Date: Sat, 3 Oct 98 05:49:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199810030954.FAA04226@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys who want my measurements: 36-24-36. (don't I wish...) I'm off to an all-weekend craft fair, will get them out to you on Monday. Cindy, I'll be thinking of you on Monday with light & love. Hope your knee comes out so well you can cross the country in the Year 2000 on that Harley and never feel a twinge! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 04:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 03:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Indexing bungi archives Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:00:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199810031359.JAA29728@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > "re-iteratively reiterative posts" > Albert? Are you trying to say > that some folks don't edit their > replies and eat up valuable > archive storage with redundant > garbage?? Ee-yup, that's what I mean. I've had my first look at the results ... and don't like it. If I use keywords, for instance, +archive "Subject: Lampshade" They all come up, sure, but the instructions appear for each one, instead of anything about what the topic is. I'll have to think how that can be fixed. Hmm. It *is possible to sort of see the thread that way, since the files are named in year/month/sequence order: 9506e.htm is earlier than 9506ee.htm and the latest would be 9506eee.htm. I save 26 messages at a time into memory variables, then create the pages year/month/a through -z, start over and do aa through zz, then aaa through zzz, etc. A bit of a kludge, but workable until I think of something more sophisticated. Incidentally, if you used +archive +Greer all of *your posts would appear, although I don't know if you were active on bungi in 1995. More to come. > P.S. Do you really have to change > all those URL's in the Common > Ground membership listings? No > wonder you're tired. Oh, that was easy. I changed them in the database with a global command and re-exported the database as HTML. Quick. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 05:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Fellow Bungian Surgery Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:33:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.113311.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to let you guys know that Cindy Pesonen (cpesonen@bcinternet.net) is having major knee surgery tomorrow, Monday at 2:00 p.m. Would be nice if anyone interested could send her some good thoughts, white light and/or prayers around that time. The recovery should be a very long haul, so hopefully the surgery will be very successful. Lenore (who has been lurking way too long) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 05:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:28:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.122840.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/2/98 10:13:09 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: >Soldering in the BUFF.... totally restricted to the security, >safety, non-visibility of my OWN English Country Garden in the >deepest depth of Hertfordshire, where I myself have planted, nurtured >and grown my OWN roses. Just be careful not to back into your rosebushes...... or your gnomon will end up looking like Patrick's 8-O BTW, the other day the shop owner across the way was throwing away some broken stuff including a cast-iron sundial with the end of its gnomon broken off. Of course, strange-minded packrat that I am, it struck my funnybone and I rescued it. If I bring it when I come to your workshop, will you (and Toby by proxy) autograph it for me? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 08:47:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:20:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199810031526.QAA24248@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Wow!! Dani is in full swing! Quite right too! The more ideas I can get from you all to choose from, the less I am cornered into making Heraldry my "Main" topic..... it can be an "extra" and I will think about that one (promise!). But I have only made 3 Coats of Arms, all of them heavily stylized. As I told Dani (and Suzanne).... I'm not an "angels & cherubs" person.... and would be sorely tempted not to sneak in a silly little chicken into an overtly pompous design. Just WAIT until you see the Coat-of-Arms for the London based "Worshipful Company of Master Glass Painters" !! Then you see what I mean.... I was beginning to warm to the idea of a vertical sun-dial panel and had already a "germ" of an idea in my mind for a leaded panel, as large as practically possible to carry with me safely Across the Pond as a "this-is-one-I-prepared-earlier".... prototype, I was also looking forward to using Patrick as the pretty little gnomon (or was it gnome???), stuck with superglue onto a central metal plate that would be leaded into the design as well, , feathers and all, to attract the local population of hawks and buzzards, 20 feet up to decorate the Warner-Crivallero Empire Building..... I was just about to put pen to paper and contact all these wonderful people on the UK Sundial Web-site to get them to assist me, when Dani's e-mail hit my screen.... Auoooh, Dani.... PLEEEEASE.... As well a "serious" ideas, there must be room for fun ideas too. So get you thinking caps on. Surely in a period of 6 months YOU will be able to totally "flood" me with ideas. AFTER that it'll be too late, because I will already be "doing". Probably during the last 3 months nobody will hear nothing from me, because I will have gone into total panic-stations. European perspective.... yes I like that.. will work on that one. My work has been descibed in so many ways, that I find it quite confusing ; Modern Victorian, "Art & Craft", Swedish Clean Line, and the Hungarians honoured me in their citation with "masterly examples of the rejuvenation of Stained Glass". Wow! Is that ME?? I have no bells or whistles to my work. No tricks, very few gizmos. Clock-faces! Yep! The "practical Swede" in me would rise to that one. I could develop that one (.... but how could I use Patrick??) Someone (in USA) said to me recently, why don't you present yourself as the IKEA in stained glass. Hmmm! I get the drift; simplicity, functionality and clean, clear simple lines. Yup! That's me OK! So you have IKEA Across the Pond too?! They have become all the rave here in UK. There are 2 stores not very far from me.... I frequently visit them and see simple design ideas I knew from my child-hood (and my parents and grand-parents before me) re-emerging in a new "dress". The Swede in me, never did rate British interior design very highly. Even the wood-stain colours that are now becoming so popular in UK, are colours commonly used in Sweden 300 -400 years ago. What goes around.... comes around. There is also a slight "hint" about original & copy in my argument here. IS there something - in reality - as a pure ORIGINAL work??? Artists of every dominiation through the ages have been "inspired" by someONE or someTHING. Who ever truly invented the wheel??? We will never know. But in many forms and in many variations the wheel gets re-invented time and time again. Some new and novel idea is always found for the basic idea of the wheel. The same applies to Artists; there is a kind of Artistic "wheel" that fascinates us, occupies us, and to which we will come back to, again and again.... The Ethics of "Copyright" is - in part - a question of common sense and artistic sensitivity. A couple of years ago, I attended an enormously revealing and stimulating lecture about the paintings of Van Gogh.... and the focus of the lecture was... whom or what did he find his inspirations from. You only need to turn to music to find downright plagarism... but is THIS infringement of Copyright???? For those of you in your 50's and perhaps slightly conversant in European 20th century music,.... just listen to Ravel's Bolero and compare it to Edith Piaff's rendition of "Et Maintenent?", as written by Gilbert Becaud... I'll be fascinated to hear your comments. Plagarism? Downright copying?? Inspiration? Re-interpretation? Inspiration??? You tell me!!! That's just ONE of many hundreds of examples I could quote or demonstrate....... All I can say about BOTH renditions is, that the World would be a poorer place without BOTH of them..... As would the World be poorer if Artists didn't "re-interpret" each other throughout history. A blatant example of that in UK is William Morris. Again -, a couple of years ago - I went to an exhibition of his stained glass work in London. I was highly amused in discovering how he used the same template of a pretty young girl for so many interpretations. A textile or cross-stitch pattern with a little shepherdess... No problem... wheel on the model girl, get the design, the crook, the sheep and rest of it. A stained glass panel of a Saint?... great... No Problem!.... wheel on the same girl, remove the crook, add wings and a halo,.... and hey presto!!;....A "Heavenly Choir"?? No problem.... wheel on girl, remove halo, remove wings.... add harp! Hey presto! And so on..... I was highly amused at the end of the Exhibition.... and not a little "in awe" at the blatancy of the whole thing..... Me being me, I did chortle a bit.... But then I AM a bit wicked!! But quite frankly; that's how Stained Glass Artists "created" in Europe hundreds of years ago. They shared templates and the same model or drawing on a wooden block, which would be transported from country to country, from artist to artist by horserider.... months later.... or by horse-drawn mail coach across the various countries in Europe. One might think that William Morris had a bit of a nerve. But all he was doing, was reverting back to Tradition...... A sensitive use of someone else's creation could also be regarded as the highest form of flattery. It's difficult to draw a hard and fast line here...... There will always be "rip-off merchants" whatever it is we chose to do in life.... Personally, I have a fair amount of sympathy with the label "inspired by"..... But there again, copyright IS copyright..... How to solve this age-old dilemma???? I really didn't mean to get serious.... just a few thoughts.... PLEEEASE, Dani.... can I have Patrick with his feathers 'n all???? In enormous excitement Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (TOBY - by the way - will be allowed to have his OWN British International Travel Passport in 2-3 years time. In 1999, however, he will stay At Home to guard the house and studio, in the company of his Favourite Uncle Brian [my loving, ex-BBC maverick but somewhat estranged better half...] -, in whose lap Toby sat as a little 7-week old baby, blue-eyed,snow-white & fluffy and sweet smelling.... all the way to Breachwood from South Kent..... a journey of almost 5 hours..... very long for a little 7-week old chap.... Toby and Brian have an "Understanding"...... Whom am I to argue!!? OK Hilary??) Hmmmm... Since I have a Swedish Passport and Toby will have a British Passport, will this mean that he and I will have to go through different gates?? Scratch brain-cells.... hmmm?? > Okay, gang, a little respect is in > order here! We have a grand > opportunity (thanks to Charles > Warner) for a very experienced > stained glass teacher to share > a European perspective with us. > I know all the kidding is good- > natured, but I haven't read TOO > many responses from folks about > what Elisabeth's workshops at > W-C should cover. How about > some constructive feedback. I > know you don't think this would > be a great idea, love, but I think > a workshop dealing with crests/ > emblems/heralds would be great > and highly unusual in this country. > I'm sure you have the historical > know-how to teach it! What about > clock faces? Whatever your teaching, > make it heavy on the history because > that's a forte and your audience will > gobble it up! We've figured out the > vertical sundial windows, so scrap > that idea (they are so cool, the gnomon > is on the outside, they're read from > the inside.) Anyway, let's hear some > serious ideas from other folks out > there, especially those who regularly > attend W-C events! And, as an > afterthought, maybe we can keep > Elisabeth in the country a bit = > > longer if some of you other retailers > across the country host her and > a workshop at your locations. She > could work her way across the = > > country so we could ALL meet her! > You game, Elisabeth??! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 09:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: first stones out of molds Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.54921.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. For anyone interested I removed my first 2 stones from their molds yesterday. I was thrilled and a little disapointed. The cement looks great. The glass designs look great. Stone #1 was a quilt design from *Mariannes Treasures* (really cute) I think someone, probably me, lifted a corner of the mold which allowed a bit too much cement to go under one corner of that design. I chiped the cement off with a horseshoe nail. That stone would have been perfect except that now it looks like someone pushed a corner of the glass in. #2 a flower I threw together with scrap glass...turned out gorgeous (imho) kind of hairy wildflower looking. The problem with this one is that the petals were irregularly shaped so I could not cut the contact paper all the way to the edge of the glass. There is an indentation of the contact paper in the cement. I love that stone and flower, but the impression of the contact paper is too obvious. It will however find a home in my yard. If it werent for the contact paper, it would have turned out perfect. What I learned... #1. DO NOT LIFT a MOLD!! I know I know, I was told. #2 Have a distinct line border, so that the contact paper can be cut with a razor blade at glass. Pretty easy lessons to learn. Hopefully with these two lessons learned my next stones will be great! I will find out tomorrow when the are unmolded! Thanks for all the help and advice you guys have given. I know it must get a little old for some of you to answer the same old questions repeatedly when someone new comes in. We do appreciate it. (this part of we does) Tulsa, Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 10:19:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Craft Fairs Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:02:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.17217.0> Precedence: bulk Does any have any helpful hints about selling stained glass at craft fairs? I'm trying to find a good list of craft fairs in my area (N.Cal., S.F. East Bay). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 13:16:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Oh! ... and by the way Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:46:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199810031952.UAA29860@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk ....And talking about exhibitions.... Totally uncharacteristically for me, I went to the world round-trip of the Picasso Exhibition when it arrived in London. My previous perception of Picasso was of that weird fellow who depicted voluptuous ladies in squares with a huge eye in the middle of their bellies. I walked in and saw a lot of representations of bulls and bull-fighting. Amongst which - mounted on a wall - a bicycle handle bar and a saddle. The visual impact of that was quite something!! Then I saw his Goat and the Guernica painting.... then the drawings, sketches and individual pencil drawings of all the creatures that eventually made up the Guernica painting. ...And the pregnant miserable, suffering Goat..... I spent an entire day wandering around, looking, puzzled and occasionally amazed. The 3 most "branding" memories I still have, is of the Guernica, the Goat and the old bicylcle handelbars & saddle stuck up there on the wall representing an angry bull about to charge.... Art???? Copyright??? On a bicycle??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 13:48:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gift ideas? Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:08:11 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.20811.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Everyone Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher appreciate? In glass that is. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Happy Holidays Alex Gacic (cut, burned & lead tested hobbyist) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 14:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: agacic@hotmail.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:14:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct3.211451.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/3/98 3:48:50 PM Central Daylight Time, agacic@hotmail.com writes: << Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher appreciate? In glass that is. >> How about something with musical notes. They would be fairly simple to make I would believe. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 15:18:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oh! ... and by the way Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199810040046.UAA23465@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Art???? Copyright??? On a bicycle??? Try Duchamps' signed toilet. Just a toilet. Not a painted toilet. Not a painting *of a toilet. A toilet. Signed. Objet trouve (found object). Considered art. I think the *concept of signing found objects and naming them "art" is interesting; I'm not sure I'd want to live with them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 15:50:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks guys Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810032210.PAA13455@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I would just like to thank you all for the kind messages coming to me today. It really warms my heart! I leave tomorrow for the coast and hope to be back later in the week. It's been awful busy around here trying to get things done, grin. Thanks again. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 16:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:56:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: first stones out of molds Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:54:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.145412.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne in Tulsa: >#2 ..The problem with this one is that the petals were irregularly shaped so I could not cut the contact paper all the way to the edge of the glass. There is an indentation of the contact paper in the cement. I love that stone and flower, but the impression of the contact paper is too obvious... If it werent for the contact paper, it would have turned out perfect.< I'm a bit confused about how much contact paper you are using. I cut the contact paper the same size as the bottom of the mold, then lay out the glass pieces on it. I do not then cut the contact paper to follow the outline of the glass. I just pour in the concrete. If there is a contact paper "line", it will only be on the edge of the concrete, and can be scraped/filed down to non-existance. But you can only (easily) do this within the first 5 minutes of un-molding the stepping stone. I have a very sturdy, very dull knife which I use just for this purpose. Works well. Maybe I totally misunderstood the problem you describe. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 16:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Craft Fairs Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.145417.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com >Does any have any helpful hints about selling stained glass at craft fairs? I'm trying to find a good list of craft fairs in my area (N.Cal., S.F. Ea= st Bay).< Try the listing in The Crafts Report magazine. They are the excellent, juried fairs you want. Most little craft fairs only feature "crows on a stick" type of "craft" which makes stained glass work look absolutely terrible when they are exhibited side by side. Stear clear of non-juried shows. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 16:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Gift ideas? Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.145420.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Alex Gacic" >Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano= = teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. = Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher = appreciate? In glass that is.< There is a stained glass piano music box kit which I have seen advertised somewhere (?Meredith Stained Glass? Warner-Crivellaro? ?Adventure Art Glass?...) Methinks that's a good gift. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 16:59:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Alex Gacic Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct3.92041.0> References: <<1998Oct3.20811.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Alec: Because the piano is such a lovely place to display works of art, how about making a standing angel to sit on the piano. Or someother standing glass object, i.e., roses, fan lamp of roses, musical note, etc. Actually the fan lamp can be made using whatever theme you want. It would certainly please your teacher. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 17:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Alex Gacic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Silicone bumper pads Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.154235.0> References: <<1998Oct3.20811.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, I need some of the small silicone (clear) bumper pads that you put on the bottoms of things so as not to scratch funiture (they are self adhesive). But need about 200-400 so the small packs at Home Depot, Office Max, etc. are too expensive. An internet search did not prove useful, so I'm hoping some of our members know a good source for the larger quantities. Thanks in Advance Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 18:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: silicone bumpers and ideas Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:06:26 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct4.1626.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Everyone Thanks for all the great piano teacher ideas! On the silicone bumpers, if you are not too worried about things sliding, couldnt you just use felt tabs? I've seen some with adhesive backings, they come in all sizes. And I guess you could make or cut your own and use some adhesive to attach them yourself. Just a thought Thanks Alex Gacic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 19:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Craft Fairs Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.154517.0> References: <<1998Oct3.145417.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Also Sunshine Artist Magazine, they have a web site too. Often a 'search' for ART, Craft , festival, fairs in the internet turns up a bunch of listings for shows, some sites allow you to search by state. Lee Boe rAin-Boe's Creations Christie A. Wood wrote: > > Message text written by INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com > >Does any have any helpful hints about selling stained glass > at craft fairs? > I'm trying to find a good list of craft fairs in my area (N.Cal., S.F. Ea= > st > Bay).< > > Try the listing in The Crafts Report magazine. They are the > excellent, juried fairs you want. Most little craft fairs only feature > "crows on a stick" type of "craft" which makes stained glass work > look absolutely terrible when they are exhibited side by side. > Stear clear of non-juried shows. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 19:36:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netonecom.net!nkitchen From: "Nancy Kitchen" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: new chat Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.7408.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDEEC2.92B76300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thanks Al for helping me find a place to "bond" with others who = (may be) like myself. I am in northern Michigan and a retired art = teacher at 51! Retired 2 years ago and made myself decide which art = medium I would pursue the rest of my life (well...at least for now) I = had a 60 hr major in fine arts from Eastern Michigan University and am = finding it difficult not to be busy. So thus my obsession with glass. = I started with a friend asking me if I could etch their livingroom = mirror. I did it for free and became hooked. I designed it and cut it = myself. The true joy is to see the result as you peel off the stencil = and all the neat things that happen to that single plane in space. Just = becomes infinate. Anyway, I just purchased this computer a month ago = and have found it an invaluable resource (especially for me, who lives = in the sticks). As I surfed I stumbled upon IGGA web site. It was = enough to make me hysterical. So here I am, an owner of a sandblaster = (without a cabinet), a jar of chemicals and a hot knife and a desire to = know more. Bring er on friends. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDEEC2.92B76300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,  Thanks Al for helping me = find a place=20 to "bond" with others who (may be) like myself.  I am in = northern=20 Michigan and a retired art teacher at 51!  Retired 2 years ago and = made=20 myself decide which art medium I would pursue the rest of my life = (well...at=20 least for now) I had a 60 hr major in fine arts from Eastern Michigan = University=20 and am finding it difficult not to be busy.  So thus my obsession = with=20 glass.  I started with a friend asking me if I could etch their = livingroom=20 mirror.  I did it for free and became hooked.  I designed it = and cut=20 it myself.  The true joy is to see the result as you peel off the = stencil=20 and all the neat things that happen to that single plane in space.  = Just=20 becomes infinate.   Anyway, I just purchased this computer a = month ago=20 and have found it an invaluable resource (especially for me, who lives = in the=20 sticks). As I surfed I stumbled upon IGGA web site.  It was enough = to make=20 me hysterical.  So here I am, an owner of a sandblaster (without a=20 cabinet), a jar of chemicals and a hot knife and a desire to know = more. =20 Bring er on friends.
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDEEC2.92B76300-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 19:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: leestat7@home.com (leestat7) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silicone bumper pads Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct3.18302.0> Precedence: bulk Lee, Have you tried the larger Craft stores such as Michael's, A C Moore, etc. Also, Enterprise Art in Largo, FL may carry these. Good luck! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 21:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: leestat7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Silicone bumper pads Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.185323.0> References: <<1998Oct3.154235.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > I need some of the small silicone (clear) bumper pads that you put on > the bottoms of things so as not to scratch funiture Usually those small packages have a company name on them. Call the company and ask how to get large quantities. They will sell you them directly or give you the name of the local distributor. If that fails, see if you can negotiate with Home Depot. I know that professional contractors negotiate with them all the time. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 21:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, leestat7@home.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: Silicone bumper pads Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:00:44, -0500 Message-ID: <199810040300.XAA14798@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I need some of the small silicone (clear) bumper pads that you put on the bottoms of things so as not to scratch funiture (they are self adhesive). But need about 200-400 so the small packs at Home Depot, Office Max, etc. are too expensive. An internet search did not prove useful, so I'm hoping some of our members know a good source for the larger quantities. Thanks in Advance Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations<< Try C. R. Laurence Co. Inc. 800 421-6144. Stock #CB1PK for 1,000 for $$30.95. They also have brown bumpons. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 22:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Christie A. Wood" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: first stones out of molds Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.19232.0> References: <<1998Oct3.145412.0>> Precedence: bulk Nope, you didnt misunderstand. I cut the contact paper down to meet the glass. I didn't realise how obvious the contact paper would be in the cement. Guess I will have to do it to the edge of the mold. IT appeared to me that the cement would get under the contact paper if glass wasnt on it. Those first two were just smaller objects made of glass to practice with the cement. I think the quilt piece would have worked fine, had we not touched it so early ;o) The cement has a very smooth marble like finish, even if I file the edge I think it will be pretty obvious. I will find out soon, as I have 3 more ready for cement. These are larger and alot more time went into the glass work, so I am hoping they come out better. I am going to see my *cement pro* guy tomorrow to show him what my first results are. He may have some suggestions. Will let you know. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 3 23:22:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "gspicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Oh! ... and by the way Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:45:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.154551.0> Precedence: bulk Albert >From what I heard, tho I may be wrong, Duchamp did this series = originally=20 as a tongue in cheek baiting of art critics who often made much of = nothing.=20 I have often thot of found objects placed and named as art as con art. = Let=20 the buyer beware. But in a more serious vein, found objects arranged and = altered and juxtapositioned in such a way as to elicit an emotional or=20 intellectual response could be considered art. To take an unaltered=20 commercial object and call it art, would be like buying a sheet of = glass,=20 placing it in a frame, signing it, and calling it an art glass window. = The=20 credit belongs to the manufacturer not the signer. And by the way = Albert, I=20 have a feeling that you do live with such objects, even tho you may not=20 want to admit it. I live with a toilet in my house, I find it = functional,=20 not all that interesting (I looked for a signature, and found none,=20 needless to say I was disappointed =A7=AB:*=B4`=B3=A4=B3=B4`*:=BB=A7=AB..................... = =BB=A7=AB:*=B4`=B3=A4=B3=B4`*:=BB=A7 Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 04:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Indexing bungi archives Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:41:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct4.104156.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, I would like to thank you for your work on the bungi archives. Sounds like such an overwhelming job!!! Very nice of you to undertake the job all by yourself. Hope it gets easier as you keep working at it. Lenore P.S. BTW, when you finish with the bungi archives, how about getting my filing system in order? After that, we can post a "sign up" list for all of the other bungians needing your assistance! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 05:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: edupjohn@slonet.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:07:57 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct4.11757.0> Precedence: bulk Peggy and Bungians, I must agree with Peggy in regards to the newbie undertaking the project. I, for one am a "jump in" person with very mixed results and many lessons learned along the way. Sometimes I have regretted the undertaking, however, I have never regretted the valuable lessons that I have learned in the long run. Some people are risk takers, while others are not. I believe the challanges we choose to undertake are part of our personal outlook along with genetic influencing. Cautioning the newbie is great, however, discouraging the entire project, is not beneficial to growth. Since the newbie is a glass junkie, as many of us on bungi, risks and lessons are all part of the game we play. When the project is completed, the newbie is certain to know a heck of a lot more about the subject, even if disappointed by the end results, than if she/he had never made the attempt. Sorry Suzanne (who must be soooo tired of cautioning me), Elisabeth, Albert, etc. but I must agree with Peggy on this one. Perhaps there is someone in the area (a professional carpenter) who could assist with the installation. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 07:58:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #57 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.1870.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, Now where do I start. I guess my interest in art was there from the beginning. Even in grade school I remember spending much more time on drawings for book report covers than on the book report itself. Went to the local Christian school after 6th. grade (dad was a preachers kid & mom insisted) which didn't have much to offer in the way of art classes till high school when I spent every free hour in the art room. My teacher (Mr. Mathius from HCHS are you out there?) was a great mentor who once told me I had more potential than any of his students. Oh, did I forget to mention he added if I would only use it. Shame on me! So it went, goofed around, graduated and took any job to move out of the house. Woke up in a fog after my rebel years, married & divorced twice, but we won't go there. Today? Happily married, 3 kids, 2 bunnies with 7 babies, and a dog named Moose. My husband has a bar & grill in town so I was able to quit my job in a local sweat shop after 20 years. Was making crafty things like jewelry and wearable art, ( beats doing housework ! ), before I took my first stained glass class 3 years ago at The Stained Glass Place in Grand Rapids MI. I think they publish the Stained Glass News. Staying true to form I dove in with both feet and the rest of me too and preceded to take over most of the basement for my studio, including the furnace room to pour stones in. One of my earlier pieces is a large panel, 24 x 38, that I would like to send to the gallery when I get my scanner hooked up. This is the first computer we had on the net, birthday gift from my husband, haven't got it all set up yet. My favorite shows to do are the music festivals where you set up right in front of your camper for the weekend, but I plan on doing more indoor shows now that we have a cargo trailer and the kids are older (youngest is 8). Other projects I've done include a couple of mosaic tables, birdhouses & feeders, night lites, candle holders, windchimes, suncatchers, lead-free glass jewelry, and of course X-mas stuff. Well, I think That's All Folks, wouldn't want to bore as I've been known to chatter on and on and on and on..................... Thought for the day: It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be NICE! Karen K. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 08:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #59 Dani Greer Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.182730.0> Precedence: bulk Well, here's the bio and thanks for re-typing it to a more normal format, Patrick! I hope Toby's not too disappointed with me for stealing his Irish supper, but I've promised Patrick a bio for an awfully long time! All you oldtimers can delete now, because you've heard it all before. I was born in 1954 in Germany, spent most of my growing up years there as an army brat, and graduated from high school in Augsburg which has the distinction of harboring the oldest intact example of kiln-fired glass painting in the world.... no, I never saw it when I was there. I was always passionate about fine art and studied it after Dad retired and moved us to Colorado. Somewhere along the way, though, I took a career turn and ended up a public accountant. After seven tax seasons, I almost went nuts, tried marketing for a while, and then, on the heels of a failed marriage, returned to college for an art degree. That was about ten years ago. At my very first art exhibition, I met Michael (yes, he really does exist) - I should say I met a piece of his artwork.... a finished cartoon for his Crucifixion window at St. Andrew's Episcopal Church. I was stunned... so beautiful and so, well, NON cutting-edge! By that time, I was completely disgusted by my post- Abstract Expressionist college teachers and ready to pursue a more traditional art form. Little did I know it would be stained glass! I met Michael at the artists reception (the rest of this reads like a Harlequin romance), we went on our first date shortly thereafter, a week later he asked me to marry him, I threw caution out the window and said "yes" (smartest thing I ever did), and three months later we were married. Michael has been a professional stained glass artist since his first job out of high school, except for a brief stint as a textile designer, so my apprenticeship in glass started on the honeymoon. When we were first married, Mike handled the stained glass shop and I ran the Peanut Gallery, a fun little art gallery in the arts district where we sold shrink-wrapped original art (all my friends cleaning out their portfolios) and served beer and peanuts at the openings. When we moved to our present location, we became just slightly more up-town (though we still serve a fine low tea on occasion) and began to focus more on the stained glass end of the business (instead of just waiting for customers to stumble in, we began to market) and started pursuing liturgical jobs which we really like the best. It's been a great seven years and I hope to have at least another seventy! Our next goal is to have combined working and living space preferably somewhere out of the city where we're not tied to a retail schedule. And may we always be healthy and creative enough to work.... no retirement plans for these two artists. What would we do except what we're doing already?! Not much else to add except that we have five lively and personable felines (two at home, three at the shop), and in our very limited spare moments we both love to read (no TV), garden (vegies for Mike, flowers for me and organic, of course), cook, and pursue a mutual interest in herbalism. I even have concoctions for lead poisoning, but don't tell Albert or Monona else they'll start doing grave turnovers long before their time! Thanks for letting me share and thanks for being such a great group! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Michael J. Greer Agatha Tux Sneakers Sage Boo Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 08:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #58 Liz Arakelian Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:14:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.181454.0> Precedence: bulk Hello. I am new to bungi....I started doing glass about three years ago when my husband and I went to a renaissance fair back when we lived in MA and HE wanted to take a glass course..I have always liked making stuff of various kinds and was intrigued by glass so I came along for the ride. Ironically I was the one who really liked it and he got his little experiment out of his system and has since moved onto other things.....I made a couple of projects and after the lampshade from hell put down the glass for awhile but I have picked it up again. Sure beats sewing any day. My big interest in life is horses and as we are building on five acres, we will be getting a couple of the beasts in a year or so....I have plans for a beautiful window I recently saw to go in my tack room. What else? We live in Northern Idaho; I have lived all over the country but until last year my husband had set foot out of MA exactly three times in his entire life. So here we are. In addition to the aforementioned husband I also have a beautiful little five year old girl who keeps me very very VERY busy. Liz Arakelian Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 08:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #60 Sandra I Gustafson Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:31:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.183138.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! I am new to the list and to glass also. Pat is being so pitiful that I could not but help him out and send my bio in. First I am an artist. Have been most of my life. I was about 5yrs. old when I expressed to my mother that I wanted to do some drawing. We had this large kitchen and one of the walls had noting on it, so she gave me a piece of wallpaper, helped tape it to the barron wall (the back side) and that is when it began. I drew anything and everything in sight on piece after piece of wallpaper. When I finally was able to have my own bedroom she bought me some paints and I drew and painted a mural on one of my walls. It was a scene from the movie "The King and I". I took the regular art classes in school as I was growing up, but was never good at what the teacher expected out of me. You see I had all ready decided on the way I wanted to draw and paint. I would do it "my way" and not what they wanted me to do. I know, shame on me. To continue, I kept on painting and drawing, and doing it "my way". I took some adult classes at my home town art center and I really grew up. Took some sculpture classes and loved them too. That was where I was introdued to stained glass. I told myself," no self you are not going to do that", "It is tooooo expensive of a hobby." So I left it alone until I moved to FL. Guess everybody, what I am attempting to do? You got it, and I am having soooo much fun. I have made mirrors, garden stones, window hangings and suncatchers. My life has been taken completely over with "stained glass". I eat and sleep thinking of my new project. I have bored so many people to death, that my neighbors and friends have quit opening their doors when they see me coming. In October I will experience my first stained glass show. Wish me luck, you all. >From : A Stained glass Junky PS: You will probably be hearing from me a lot. With all of the stainless experts on here, there will be a lot of questions asked on my part. Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. I am one of them. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 08:37:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Facade down Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct3.175917.0> Precedence: bulk Seriously (as request by numerous members) I am dropping my guard for a very brief moment. I simply want to say that any knowledge that Elisabeth will impart to us is well worth the trip. I will be there. Now back to the cantankerous person I am. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 09:30:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bios Late this week Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.6045.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry for not posting the bios yesterday, my server was down for maintenance. Anyway Cindy can read 4 of them to send her on the way to the hospital. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 09:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: On the Road Again Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.6928.0> Precedence: bulk I'll be going to Sierra Vista, Arizona, the end of October for 3 days. Are there any members of the group there who would like to go to lunch or something? How about stained glass stores? Ahhh .... the desert, alone with my thoughts and TuTu. There I can blame it on the heat. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 11:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!kdeck From: kdeck@juno.com (k a s) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: silicone bumper pads Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:13:58 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct4.171358.0> Precedence: bulk >>>I need some of the small silicone (clear) bumper pads that you put on the bottoms of things so as not to scratch funiture (they are self adhesive). <<< Framing shops use these on the back of frames to protect your walls, keep the frame from moving. Perhaps an frame/mat supply catalog would be a place to check? Karen ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 12:34:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:03:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Installing Stained Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:24:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.42438.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk I must applaud and agree with Peggy and Lenore as well. I don't know how many times I have been told "what do you want to do that for" or "you can't do that"! And I have always learned valuable lessons while doing the un-thinkable or undo-able. That is how I learn, yeah it may be the hard way but lessons not soon forgot that is for sure. It seems to me that this installation was to be for a friend? If the friend is patient with the newbie, and understands the complexity. That this installation will take more time than usual because of experience involved. I think it would be a great challenge for newbie, which by the way I wish we had a name for here. I'm sorry for not knowing your name, it is rude of me *s*. Lenore, good to see your out of the lurking mode *s*. See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 13:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Installing Stained-Glass Window into Stone Window Frame Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:51:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199810041957.UAA28718@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Already as I saw Peggy's initial e-mail on my screen.... I sort of knew what the likely outcome would be. Peggy has never been afraid of a challenge or two.... she is not likely to change NOW... ;-> It would seem that Newbie and her are now already in direct contact with one-another. Please listen to Peggy, she is a very good Teacher!! Don't rush this project.... take it slowly step-by-step. >From the description the advice of a stone-mason is more appropriate than a carpenter, though! In my mind, it's a crazy project for a 2nd panel and - I will jump up and down to persuade the Beginner to "put it on ice" for a while. But I am also not forgetting that I have myself "been there before", namely my 2 Australians with their 9 feet long crocodile panel (also a SECOND panel....). The difference is, that the Croc panel were for the "Aussies" themselves.... only for THEM to look at, enjoy or suffer , as the case may be, in their own HOME .... but that THIS project is to go into (what I assume) is a public or a semi-public stone building. Hence my severe reservations..... I think there is a difference between "guts" and "foolhardiness". I admire and will support the former, I will discourage the latter. That's all... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Leonore wrote: > I must agree with Peggy in regards to the newbie undertaking the project. I, > for one am a "jump in" person with very mixed results and many lessons learned > along the way. Sometimes I have regretted the undertaking, however, I have > never regretted the valuable lessons that I have learned in the long run. > Some people are risk takers, while others are not. I believe the challanges > we choose to undertake are part of our personal outlook along with genetic > influencing. Cautioning the newbie is great, however, discouraging the entire > project, is not beneficial to growth. Since the newbie is a glass junkie, as > many of us on bungi, risks and lessons are all part of the game we play. When > the project is completed, the newbie is certain to know a heck of a lot more > about the subject, even if disappointed by the end results, than if she/he had > never made the attempt. Sorry Suzanne (who must be soooo tired of cautioning > me), Elisabeth, Albert, etc. but I must agree with Peggy on this one. > > Perhaps there is someone in the area (a professional carpenter) who could > assist with the installation. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 14:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Indexing bungi archives Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:51:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199810041958.UAA28729@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, In all the "hoo-haa" that's been going on in the last few days, I realize that there is Albert beavering away in trying to index the now daunting archives of the Bungi archives. A sincere vote of THANKS to Albert for undertaking this somewhat stupendeous task.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Leonore wrote: > I would like to thank you for your work on the bungi archives. Sounds like > such an overwhelming job!!! Very nice of you to undertake the job all by > yourself. Hope it gets easier as you keep working at it. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 15:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.135225.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market for a scanner. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 16:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.145425.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, I have a HP ScanJet 5100C. After a week, or so, of messing around because their instructions leaves something to be desired for my weak mind, I love it. Does a real good job. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 6:42 PM Subject: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer >Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP >photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = > >and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, >and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market >for a scanner. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 17:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Christie A. Wood" , Bungi Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:12:18 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer" on Oct 4, 17:52, "Christie A. Wood" writes:] > Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP > photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = > > and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, > and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market > for a scanner. We have the PhotoSmart printer. It's great! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 17:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:30:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct4.233033.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/4/98 5:18:47 PM Central Daylight Time, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: << Has anyone used either machines, and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market for a scanner. >> Christie, I would like to know the answer to that also. I have a HP flatbed scanner but I sure would like to get the HP Photo Printer. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 17:25:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:41:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199810042348.AAA03009@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have just broken the News to my UK Family. They are chuffed to bits and very supportive. Their support will be absolutely paramount in respect of Toby Tobias. So I am delighted about the warmth, help and good-will coming from them. In the next week or so, I will show them ALL the e-mails, and discuss all the aspects with them. I came over from Sweden to UK with a 1-way ticket when I was 15 years of age. I was sort of "picked up" and adopted from then on by the family of Brian (especially his mother who is a war-widow), who was to become my husband M A N Y years later. Brian is the "big brother" I have, .... but never did have. He is in his mid-60s now, with a very "quirky" British sense of humour (from which - I suppose - I too have learnt a lot). He recently retired from the British Broadcasting Corporation (The BBC). In the 50's he spent quite some time in Sweden,; in the 60's and 70's he and I met up here, there and everywhere in Europe and the Middle East. We ended up a lot of times living together.... so in the end we bowed to pressure from our respective families and got married. We are probably both terribly "odd-ball" characters, neither of us the marrying kind. So it was probably just as well that we found each other.... As husband and wife, it just didn't work.... so we have ended up with 2 different households about a mile apart. It seems to work better this way. Brian, since I was 15, has gone hell for leather to support me, encourage me in anything I have attempted in life. His eyes are gleaming right now, since I have told him 4 hours ago af the latest developments. Toby is totally "besotted" about HIS Brian, so next year there is no question of where Toby or Brian will be. A lot of my stained glass designs I have discussed through with Brian and he has often instilled a grain of his own particular "quirky" sense of British fun and humour into MY interpretations,. The Swedes are not particularly renowned for a sense of fun or humour, which is WHY it's been something quite important to me myself personally. I am probably an odd mix of all sorts of influences, not least somewhat influenced by him who has travelled by my side so many routes and through so many continents all these years. His breadth, width, vision, sense of proportion and FUN all these years is in SOME parts of what makes me what I am today. (.....and Folks....which is why I respond to Patrick..... and he to me....) Tonight I told Brian the News... I related to him the various discussions, the various threads and the various High-lights. He pointed out to me (I still need to check up on this) That a Patent on the WHEELl was actually taken out around the 1970's amongst great, big "hoo-haa" by a British company called Strand Electrics Co Ltd..... and that the issue was about stage stage lighting control.... .....So there IS a Patent on the WHEEL!!!!!! Brian and I are getting together for lunch later on this week, so we will compare notes then....Patrick cheated me and posted my BIO as Bio No.2 way-back-when. This NOW is a kind of a mini-Bio in that I am sort of letting you in on "from whence I came" and the many painful processes in getting there. I have a sort of rather extraordinarily weird life-history..... most of it I don't wish on my worst enemy. Been there, done that,... and the T-shirt got shredded..... But I came out on top.....with a bit of help. I am what I am, but I owe a lot to people here and there who decided I was worth backing. Brian is one of those such people. He was/is my Safe Haven against whom I could always rant and rave. For almost 40 years now.... Old!!.... ME!!.... You must be joking!!! I just started out young..... If Dani gives me the Cross of having to represent British Heraldry in USA, Brian will be an important inspiration in helping me to give you something you will not quite have bargained for...... That's a THREAT!!! :-> ....I still find it difficult to believe that there there are so many of you Over There... that have caused this whole thing to come about. Delighted... but of course.! Just don't put more of an image onto me than what I actually am..... But MORE ideas PLEASE!!!! Gulp.....Stagefright!!!!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 18:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Ensembles@compuserve.com Subject: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:36:03, -0500 Message-ID: <199810050036.UAA12166@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market for a scanner. Christie A. Wood<< I don't know much about the HP scanner. I do like their printers and suspect their scanners are quality products. I believe the HP Photosmart is about $180.00 after rebates. Recently a bunch of us on Prodigy bought the Mustek TwainScan 600 lll EP Plus. It cost $79.00 at Office Depot and had a $30.00 rebate from Mustek. So only $50.00!!! It is great. I have found that at scans as low as 100 DPI it will produce JPG files that are less than 50K and look good when viewed at post card size. See my postings under Bob at: http://www.intrastar. net/~ssuter/ The software that comes with the scanner seems to offer a great deal of ability to change to one's hearts content. Instillation was a snap. The scanner plugs into the parallel port on the computer and the printer plugs into the scanner. No need to install a board in the computer. The software installed on the first try which is a first for me. Don't let the low price fool you. This scanner does the job. This is my first flat bed. I have previously had a sheet feed and a roller from Mustek. I do not own Mustek and do not think I would want to if they sell their products at these low prices. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 18:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:05:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199810050406.AAA17101@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP > photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), Hi, Christie. In my experience (which is fairly deep), no flatbed scanner does much of an acceptable job with slides. I use a Microtek E3, which is available quite cheaply, for flatbed work, and a Microtek 35t for slides. Both are excellent. I pull scans with Paint Shop Pro and fiddle them with Photoshop, although version 5 of Paint Shop Pro is quite up to many of the things that previously only Photoshop could accomplish. The latter is still ahead, but PSP is catching up. Oh, I did sorta go beyond your question, didn't I? Sorry. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 19:42:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: first stones out of molds Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:59:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.175941.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: >Nope, you didnt misunderstand. I cut the contact paper down to meet the glass. I didn't realise how obvious >the contact paper would be in the cement. Guess I will have to do it to the edge of the mold. IT appeared >to me that the cement would get under the contact paper if glass wasnt on it. Those first two were just smaller >objects made of glass to practice with the cement. >I think the quilt piece would have worked fine, had we not touched it so early ;o) >The cement has a very smooth marble like finish, even if I file the edge >I think it will be pretty obvious. I will find out soon, as I have 3 >more ready for cement. These are larger and alot more time went into >the glass work, so I am hoping they come out better. >I am going to see my *cement pro* guy tomorrow to show him what my first >results are. He may have some suggestions. Will let you know. > >Suzanne The first stones I did had too much mix over the glass and very noticeable contact paper lines close to the glass where I had cut it. Now I don't beat as hard on the bottom of the board supporting the mold which keeps the glass at the top and I cut the contact paper the full size of the mold bottom. I would be afraid of the glass pieces shifting when pouring them if they weren't on one larger piece of contact paper. There is still a very light mark where the paper was cut but its even with the edge and I don't do anything to it, this too will totally disappear with weathering naturally. Let us know how your next 3 turn out. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 20:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Mustek TwainScan 600 lll Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.182627.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: BOB DUCHESNEAU >I don't know much about the HP scanner. I do like their printers and >suspect their scanners are quality products. I believe the HP >Photosmart is about $180.00 after rebates. > >Recently a bunch of us on Prodigy bought the Mustek TwainScan 600 lll >EP Plus. It cost $79.00 at Office Depot and had a $30.00 rebate from >Mustek. So only $50.00!!! > >It is great. I have found that at scans as low as 100 DPI it will >produce JPG files that are less than 50K and look good when viewed at >post card size. See my postings under Bob at: http://www.intrastar. >net/~ssuter/ >The software that comes with the scanner seems to offer a great deal >of ability to change to one's hearts content. > >Instillation was a snap. The scanner plugs into the parallel port on >the computer and the printer plugs into the scanner. No need to >install a board in the computer. The software installed on the first >try which is a first for me. > >Don't let the low price fool you. This scanner does the job. This is >my first flat bed. I have previously had a sheet feed and a roller >from Mustek. I do not own Mustek and do not think I would want to if >they sell their products at these low prices. > >Bob All right!, I was hopeing someone would mention the Mustek TwainScan 600 lll EP Plus. I got mine for $89 with a $20 rebate from Circuit City but have seen them cheaper since. I know I haven't got past the tip of the iceberg as to the capabilities of this machine, so glad to hear your ga-ga over yours. I have yet to hook it up to this new computer. Have to stain & varnish the shelves for it and 2nd printer ugh! Then go to scan-tips web page, and figure out what it can do. Are you using SCSI ? Do I need this or not? Thanks for any info. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 20:07:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct4.182420.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, Were those scans of the smaller items (i.e. the hummers) at http://www.intrastar. net/~ssuter/ done from a photo or was the glass piece put directly onto the scanner? Very impressive.... the work and the scans! Thanks! Joan Connecticut ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 20:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Suzanne's Measurements???? Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.16336.0> Precedence: bulk Did I miss something while I was practicing "Swan Lake". What measurements? Whose Measurements? 36-24-36? Huh, they'll never match mine. Keep the bios coming you lurkers. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 21:10:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:41:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct5.34124.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-04 20:26:12 EDT, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: << They are chuffed to bits Gulp.....Stagefright!!!!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >> Uh, does anybody here translate English? What would "chuffed to bits" mean? I don't know but it sounds painful! And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 21:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: Beadnik2@webtv.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:17:04, -0500 Message-ID: <199810050417.AAA12070@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Were those scans of the smaller items (i.e. the hummers) at http://www.intrastar. net/~ssuter/ done from a photo or was the glass piece put directly onto the scanner? Very impressive.... the work and the scans! Thanks! Joan<< The pics with the white background were done by placing the glass directly on the scanner. The colored backgrounds are from photos. Thanks for the complements. You may copy my hummers if you like. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 22:01:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Digital Cameras & Scanners Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.182616.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have experience with digital cameras. If so what is the preferred type for an inexperienced user. The cost of these devices is plummeting and I'm thinking of purchasing one. I have a Canon, CanoScan 600 it works great for the beginner and the pro. I use Corel PhotoPaint 8 for a scanning program. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 23:13:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "intrastar list" Subject: RE: Help....I Deleted.... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.213827.0> Precedence: bulk HELP ME PLEASE As I was going thru over 100 postings (was away this weekend) I thought I saved all the ones that mention Craft Show Information, along with others of interest. Sunshine was mentioned with several others, some even had e-mail, snail-mail, or web site addresses. Will someone please copy and post these again for the bone-head on this end. I will be forever grateful!! ( kissing your feet) Thanks, Karen K. giapet@softhouse.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 23:30:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "intrastar list" Subject: RE: Double Bone-Head Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.214512.0> Precedence: bulk Nevermind, I just found them, (craft show info) It seems my computer hid them in a file ....... not really .... I moved 'em and forgot where. I'm so sorry to bother you all. Feeling pretty stupid- time to go to bed. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 23:41:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glenna...not getting messages Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <199810050614.XAA11444@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, Have I somehow been dropped from the system? Haven't had bungi messages since Friday afternoon????? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 4 23:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dover books Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct4.203439.0> Precedence: bulk > Hi all! > > > > I love Dover books. > > Anyone have a number or link for a catalog? > > > > Happy October 1st > > Laura Hi Laura I was looking for books on Amazon.com the other day and noticed they have a lot of Dover books. Many are less than a $1.00 for their little stained glass coloring books. Here are the results of a search of Amazons'site for Dover books. I think they list something like 460 books. ;o) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/generic-quicksearch-query/002-3051775-4337458 Also, Someone, I think Shirley B. questioned what's the current policy of the use of their artwork. I recently purchased *print artist 4.0 platinum* that includes lots of Dover artwork...The book that accompanies the software states... "These illustrations belong to the Dover Pictorial Archive Series. you may use the designs and illustrations for graphics and crafts applications, free and without special permission, provided that you include no more than ten (10) in the same publication or product. However, republication or reproduction of any illustration by any other graphic service whether it be in a book, in machine readable form, or in any other design resource is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, they cannot be duplicated or resold as any other form of publishing, clip-art, or graphic resource." So sounds to me, that unless you want to use more than ten of their designs incorporated into stained glass...have at it. Now, if I can just figure out how to print some of it...to enlarge. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 01:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Subject: Dover books Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:34:01, -0500 Message-ID: <199810050734.DAA07648@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Tulsa Suzanne writes in part: >>So sounds to me, that unless you want to use more than ten of their designs incorporated into stained glass...have at it. Now, if I can just figure out how to print some of it...to enlarge. << You can scan the images and then import them into Glass Eye or American Bevel Designer. There they can be enlarged and printed. The two programs above are for stained glass design. Of course a copy place like Kinkos does a good job if there is one handy to you. This option has the advantage that your enlargements will be printed on a large sheet of paper rather than several letter size sheets. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 03:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:31:15 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.113115.0> Precedence: bulk >Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP >photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = >and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, >and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market >for a scanner. I bought a HP Scanjet 5100C recently for glass work and other things which is very similar to the one above. It was parallel port connected (not scsi)so it is slower but works ok. I put my glass sample set of over 100 samples on it and it scanned those really well in sets of eight or so per image. I hope to use the scans to insert into drawings at a later date so that I can get a better idea of what a finished piece of work would look like. Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 03:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Digital Cameras & Scanners Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:20:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.122030.0> Precedence: bulk >Does anyone have experience with digital cameras. If so what is the >preferred type for an inexperienced user. The cost of these devices is >plummeting and I'm thinking of purchasing one. >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows I have a kodak DC50 it works well but it is not good at taking pictures of stained glass but great for patterns.Problem is that it is very red sensitive and also the exposure times are very limited. It tends to produce pictures with poor contrast that are very gamma shifted.They are also automatic which can be a pain for some things. Try one first on things that you want to photograph,get one that takes pictures up to 1k by 768 pixels anything below this is useless. Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 06:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: DEAN.MED.UFL.EDU!cmccall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:54:52 EST5EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine Precedence: bulk Alex said... > Subject: Gift ideas? > Hi, Everyone > > Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano > teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. > Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher > appreciate? In glass that is. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Happy Holidays > Alex Gacic > (cut, burned & lead tested hobbyist) > I have always wanted to do a set of bookends with stained glass in them. Perhaps you could modify this idea and make something to hold her sheet music??... Candice ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 06:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Deb's back - One color projects Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 09:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: <199810051320.JAA29669@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi - Here are my windchime measurements: The top is made of a piece of glass cut in a half-circle approx. 6" wide. I cut another piece the same shape that is about 1/2" less on all sides; this will be glued to one side of the top, in the center, to hold the tigertail. I make six strips of glass, 3/4" wide, varying in length from 3-3/4 up to 4-3/4. I cut six lengths of tigertail (nylon-coated metal strands); I get that from Rings 'n Things in a large roll or you could find a small roll at your local hobby store. The lengths of tigertail vary from 2" up to 5". I knot both ends of the tigertail so the glue will hold onto it. I place glue equally-spaced across the bottom of the large half-circle, starting and ending about 1/2 inch in from the edges, place one end of tigertail strip onto the glue, then put the smaller half-circle onto it and weight it with pounds of solder. Then I do the same thing with the tops of the glass strips. I make sure everything is straight - that the tigertail comes off the strips from the top straight, then weight that with solder rolls, and let it sit for 24 hours. Voila! A windchime. The best glass I've used for these is iridescent baroque black on clear, also irid. black waterglass is nice, or anything else takes your fancy. Have fun! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 07:13:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Pat Kelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Suzanne's Measurements???? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 09:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <199810051324.JAA29958@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Did I miss something while I was practicing "Swan Lake". What measurements? >Whose Measurements? > >36-24-36? Huh, they'll never match mine. > Hi Roses, Just what are YOUR measurements - I need them to make you some fresh tu-tu's for your upcoming Pennsylvania visit. Which we are all looking forward to, with great anticipation! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 07:14:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:07:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199810051314.OAA27944@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I wonder if this is the same as the Plustek B III Scanner I treated myself to a few months ago (Also TWAIN) at the cost of approx. USD 100 (cheap for Over Here!). It was sooo easy; just plug in and play, no extra boards. One curious little detail I learnt was that the scanner doesn't like it if you put your photo or document in side-ways or on its head - as it were. I wonder why.... but I don't argue, I just do everything to humour this little beast. It works great in tandem with my Epson 600 printer. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Bob wrote: > Recently a bunch of us on Prodigy bought the Mustek TwainScan 600 lll > EP Plus. It cost $79.00 at Office Depot and had a $30.00 rebate from > Mustek. So only $50.00!!! snip > Instillation was a snap. The scanner plugs into the parallel port on > the computer and the printer plugs into the scanner. No need to > install a board in the computer. The software installed on the first > try which is a first for me. > > Don't let the low price fool you. This scanner does the job. This is > my first flat bed. I have previously had a sheet feed and a roller > from Mustek. I do not own Mustek and do not think I would want to if > they sell their products at these low prices. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 09:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Silicone" Subject: Silicone bumper pads Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct3.154235.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk > Hi All, > > I need some of the small silicone (clear) bumper pads that you put on > the bottoms of things so as not to scratch funiture (they are self > adhesive). But need about 200-400 so the small packs at Home Depot, > Office Max, etc. are too expensive. An internet search did not prove > useful, so I'm hoping some of our members know a good source for the > larger quantities. > > Thanks in Advance > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations try woodworkers supply. 800 645 9292. they have a nifty catalog if you're into woodworking tools. regards, charlie Phx, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 10:22:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glenna...not getting messages Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199810051559.IAA11217@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >[In the message entitled "glenna...not getting messages" on Oct 4, 23:14, Carol Swann writes:] >> Hi Glenna, Have I somehow been dropped from the system? Haven't had bungi >> messages since Friday afternoon????? > >Looks like your mail was bouncing. I've added you back on...hopefully >the ISP problems are fixed. Yep, it's fixed and I'm back online. Only my bungi mail was bouncing...I got emails from other sources...that's why I'm thinking it was at your end??? Anyway, thanks for whatever you did. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 12:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:15:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:12:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct5.19128.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/5/98 5:11:10 AM, SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: >And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is >naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! > >Susie I dunno....... depending on how many strange-looking physiques there are among us, that might scare her even more! Sparks wading through 79 new e-mails, most from bungi, that arrived since Saturday morning, when I went away for the weekend....... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 14:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.10504.0> References: <<1998Oct5.19128.0>> Precedence: bulk Or we could all send her pics of us ahead of time wearing tu-tus....with all the e-mails going around about scanners I'm sure someone would volunteer to "modify" our pics -- the hardest part might be deciding what color tu-tus we all want to be wearing! Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/98 5:11:10 AM, SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > > >And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is > >naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! > > > >Susie > > I dunno....... depending on how many strange-looking physiques there are among > us, that might scare her even more! > > Sparks > wading through 79 new e-mails, most from bungi, that arrived since Saturday > morning, when I went away for the weekend....... > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 16:42:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:13:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199810052319.AAA15625@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, How about a musical clock with a mounted tape-loop of music going off every hour .... with a recording of a star-student playing bits of "chop-sticks" ... or.... something like the 1812.... complete with cannons ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Subject: Gift ideas? > > Hi, Everyone > > > > Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano > > teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. > > Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher > > appreciate? In glass that is. > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 18:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Suzanne's Measurements???? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.145752.0> Precedence: bulk My measurements???? Why a gentleman never tells (even one in a TuTu). Won't you all be surprised if I do pirouette into the demo by the " Solder Scarred Swede". My measurements shall we say are a little bottom heavy. Webbles Wobble But They Don't Fall Down. -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: Pat Kelly ; glass bungi line Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 8:25 AM Subject: RE: Suzanne's Measurements???? >>Did I miss something while I was practicing "Swan Lake". What measurements? >>Whose Measurements? >> >>36-24-36? Huh, they'll never match mine. >> > >Hi Roses, > >Just what are YOUR measurements - I need them to make you some fresh >tu-tu's for your upcoming Pennsylvania visit. Which we are all looking >forward to, with great anticipation! > >Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 18:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.171656.0> References: <<1998Oct5.34124.0>> Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > >> > > > > And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is > naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! > > Susie Uh, maybe we could all carry roses to complete the illusion... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 19:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Suzanne's Measurements???? Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.173035.0> References: <<199810051324.JAA29958@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > > Hi Roses, > > Just what are YOUR measurements - I need them to make you some fresh > tu-tu's for your upcoming Pennsylvania visit. Which we are all looking > forward to, with great anticipation! > > Suzanne So...is this going to be the unofficial bungi uniform, because I really prefer the longer tutus, as opposed to the short sticking out ones. (Poor Albert, getting to index all this for the archives eventually. But where else will you be able to search on "gnomen"?) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 19:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:43:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Picking craft fairs Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.17438.0> Precedence: bulk You want to pick a fair where (1) people have money to spend (2) people will actually spend that money (3) they will choose to spend their money on glass One year, wherever we had a craft fair scheduled, two weeks before, the major industry in the town would announce layoffs. (Sort of like inviting Jessica Fletcher to dinner.) So sometimes we thought we had (1) figured out and (1) changed on us. This past Saturday, we were setting up for a show and I had laid a bunch of pieces flat on a table when the wind came up UNDER the table and tipped it over. (Okay, wince all together here) This had never happened before! It could have been worse. We were on lawn. Most of the damage was fairly quickly repairable that night. So here's (4) - pick a low wind area. Next weekend off. I'd like to fit in (a) making new shelf covers for my display (b) visiting the New Britain Museum of American Art (CT) to see some Chihuly pieces I hear are on exhibit there (c) maybe do some stuff with my family. (The Chihuly exhibit is until the beginning of January, I believe, so I'll probably put that off, but will tell you particulars when I do go. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 19:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pricing (sort of) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:22:30 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.22230.0> Precedence: bulk I am making a 12" x 16" oval panel to be donated to the American Cancer Society for a fund raising auction. They need to know the estimated value of it so they could ask for a minimum bid price. I have no clue! It'll only have 18 pieces. Any advice on what to list the value at? Thanks, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:56:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199810060203.DAA24987@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, .... I say! The plot thickens!! Patrick performing Swan Lake in a pale blue tu-tu (lovingly tailor-made by Suzanne A.) and a WHOLE troupe of 100's & 100's little pretty multi-coloured tu-tus swinging to 'n fro behind him. While Elisabeth is standing on top of the table, on top of the stained glass project she WAS to have started, appealing in shrill panic to all the other participants of non-Bungi persuasion NOT to leave the Hall so quickly.... NOT to be frightened by all the hawks 'n buzzards squawking up there in the factory rafters. NEW? Certainly DIFFERENT! Boy! this sounds fun!! By the way Suzanne, if you have difficulties with Patrick's measurements, I have a very fetching little photograph of aforesaid gentleman, holding onto something (?) for dear life. Pity about the hairy legs..... won't look too good in Swan Lake. More serious suggestions (as well) please... Elisabeth 'n Toby (who also has hairy legs) in UK Tracy Reitman (I think) wrote: > Or we could all send her pics of us ahead of time wearing tu-tus....with all the > e-mails going around about scanners I'm sure someone would volunteer to "modify" > our pics -- the hardest part might be deciding what color tu-tus we all want to be > > wearing! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Hiring 70 IT Consultants For Big 6 Consulting Firm in Atlant Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:56:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199810060203.DAA24981@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Send him pictures of Patrick in his pale-blue tu-tu. That should be enough to send ANYONE screaming!! Especially if you add the hawks 'n buzzards overhead..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK> > >I think we should all write stained glass resumes along the lines of > >the fictitious lurker's bio and send them to Mr. Bussey > > > >Vic Carol wrote: > Or we could just put him on the mailing list for a few days...it was enough > to send Roxy screaming for cover!!! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:19:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Northernlights" , "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 21:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <199810060201.WAA14580@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Or, how about stained-glass tu-tu's??? :) >Or we could all send her pics of us ahead of time wearing tu-tus....with >all the >e-mails going around about scanners I'm sure someone would volunteer to >"modify" >our pics -- the hardest part might be deciding what color tu-tus we all >want to be > >wearing! > >Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 10/5/98 5:11:10 AM, SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: >> >> >And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is >> >naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! >> > >> >Susie >> >> I dunno....... depending on how many strange-looking physiques there are >among >> us, that might scare her even more! >> >> Sparks >> wading through 79 new e-mails, most from bungi, that arrived since Saturday >> morning, when I went away for the weekend....... >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:26:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:13:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199810060203.DAA24990@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, How about a musical clock with a mounted tape-loop of music going off every hour .... with a recording of a star-student playing bits of "chop-sticks" ... or.... something like the 1812.... complete with cannons ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Subject: Gift ideas? > > Hi, Everyone > > > > Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano > > teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. > > Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher > > appreciate? In glass that is. > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981005203513.00821340@sol.racsa.co.cr> References: <<1998Oct4.135225.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I might be too, so copy to me too, or send to bungi.... I was noticing that the photo printers, there is supposedly a nice one called Alpi... and Olympus makes one too, are VERY slow... so one would have to have another printer to do regular work! Will post the addresses for the above if I can lay hands on them!!! Meg At 05:52 PM 10/4/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all. HP is offering me a special deal on buying an HP >photosmart photo scanner (which also scans slides), = > >and/or photo printer. Has anyone used either machines, >and if so, how do you like/dislike them. I am in the market >for a scanner. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 20:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Suzanne's Measurements???? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 22:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <199810060254.WAA18661@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dorothy K wrote: > >So...is this going to be the unofficial bungi uniform, because I really >prefer >the longer tutus, as opposed to the short sticking out ones. (Poor Albert, >getting to index all this for the archives eventually. But where else >will you >be able to search on "gnomen"?) Oh, I think Patrick would look much better in one of the "short sticking out ones." The long tu-tu would hide his gnomen and his ankles. You and I, of course, will be in the long ones. I have my material and sewing needle ready. I am envisioning pinks, yellows, mauves and baby blues. With some stained glass artfully placed. Votes, anyone??? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 21:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199810060220.DAA25159@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh Halleluja! This is getting worse by the second! Add to the Swan Lake, Patrick's hairy legs in a pale blue tu-tu, and HUNDREDS of other tu-tus, the hawks, the buzzards in the rafters..... now also ROSES and the accompanying bees, wasps, greenflies & blackflies. Hey Folks! Now T H A T will be a Coat of Arms to design and make!!!!! I think I'd better go to bed now!! Totally freaked out! Elisabeth 'n (totally despairing) Toby in UK ... H E L P !!!! > And Elizabeth, about your stagefright, just imagine that everyone there is > > naked! You know, naked! Like in your garden!! LOL!! > > > > Susie Dorothy replied: > Uh, maybe we could all carry roses to complete the illusion... > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 21:14:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Picking craft fairs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 23:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199810060308.XAA19778@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dorothy K writes: > >This past Saturday, we were setting up for a show and I had laid a bunch >of pieces flat on a table when the wind came up UNDER the table and >tipped it over. (Okay, wince all together here) This had never >happened before! It could have been worse. We were on lawn. Most of >the damage was fairly quickly repairable that night. So here's (4) - >pick a low wind area. I also had a two-day craft fair this weekend. Saturday morning started out nice & sunny. By 3:00 PM it was lightly drizzling, and it drizzled all day Sunday. Three years ago I said I would never again do an outside fair, when the October "breeze" almost toppled my whole table. Why didn't I stick to that? What kind of fool am I? (s) AND, I came home that night to a Bungi message from Christie, who said in essence, "Never do a fair where you are next to crows on sticks." Guess what was right next to me??? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 21:14:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Success!! Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.175446.0> Precedence: bulk Poured 4 more stones last night...got em out today. ***Turned out great!!*** When I took them out of the mold, I was looking around wishing someone were there to yell to! ;o) Am I tickled silly??? You betcha. It is a good thing, as I spent *plenty* of time on the glass work for these. Not scrap either. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 21:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.202432.0> References: <<199810060203.DAA24987@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Why are all those men in white coats coming this way? and who called the police? Hasn't anyone ever seen a troupe of tu-tus?? I'm many eons behind most here in expertise, but I would be interested in how to cut and groze glass well enough a grinder isn't needed, and anything you want to demonstrate with lead, like how to make the ends come together nicely even at odd angles, design considerations for a good strong panel, also something on reinforcement for lead and/or foil. Maybe something on installation, weather protection, ventilation and condensation for windows? I'd also be interested to hear about glass in UK and Europe, historical stuff, what kind of work the artists from back then did, how it is different from today and why, how it influences us. Do you have anything to share from your teaching experiences? Is there anything that really excites you, that you especially love? That would probably be better than anything we could suggest but since you're asking, here's my $.02 :) You think you're nervous? Imagine how Patrick must feel getting ready to perform in a tu-tu! We'll be laughing so hard we won't notice your knees knocking. Seriously, you will be among friends who value you, not judge you. I think it's great that you can come over! Kris Toby wrote: > > Well, .... I say! > The plot thickens!! > Patrick performing Swan Lake in a pale blue tu-tu > More serious suggestions (as well) please... > Elisabeth 'n Toby (who also has hairy legs) in UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 22:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Toby" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gift ideas? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 23:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: <199810060354.XAA23021@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi, Or, a stained-glass metronome shaped like a sundial, with the gnomen swinging back & forth on a timer? >Hi All, > >How about a musical clock with a mounted tape-loop of music going off >every hour .... with a recording of a star-student playing bits of >"chop-sticks" ... or.... something like the 1812.... complete with >cannons ;-> >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >> > Subject: Gift ideas? >> > Hi, Everyone >> > >> > Boy, holiday season is just around the corner. We have this great piano >> > teacher for our kids. And I would like to make something for her. >> > Aside from an obvious glass piano, what would a music teacher >> > appreciate? In glass that is. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 22:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.201059.0> References: <<199810050036.UAA12166@mime3.prodigy.com>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk To the best of my knowledge the Epson Photo Printers are currently rated the best by most of the Computer Magazines, (for what that's worth). I have found that in most cases you get what you pay for. There are no bargains if your looking for quality. For a review of some of the various printers go to http://www.zdnet.com/products/grids/photo.html Hope this helps, Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 5 22:25:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stained Glass TuTu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct5.18384.0> Precedence: bulk Stained Glass TuTus?? And my gnomen was just healing. Sorry everybody but I don't have hairy legs my pants wore it all off dancing the Macarana. Don't have a hairy head either wore it off worrying about posting the bios and keeping the canine at bay. Keep the bios coming. Finally a few people with some human decency and mercy. Don't mess with my TuTu or was that song Toot Toot? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 04:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'pkelly@n-link.com'" , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:29:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.22937.0> Precedence: bulk Pat, We own the Sony Mativa 7, digital camera.. I love it. The image is recorded on a floppy disc and you just plug it in your "a" drive, no parallel ports or tethers are needed.. The copy quality is very good, George uses it mainly to sell items on e bay.. It is great for computers but like most digital cameras to make photos on paper copy, you are limited to under 4 inches by 6 inches (the image is blurry), however, I believe if you have a graphics package like Adobe Photo you can enhance it and enlarge the photo.. If you are communicating by e mail, it is very nice to share your photos with friends and family or whoever.. The retail price on the Sony is $799, but in the back of camera magazines I have seen it mail ordered for less. Hope this helps, Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 06:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Your Daily Quote Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:15:52 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.71552.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: The Daily Quote To: plaza@solarianet.com Date: Monday, 5 October 1998 19:27 Subject: Your Daily Quote >Today's Daily Quote from Central Plaza http://www.solarianet.com > >"Never explain - your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyhow." > - Elbert Hubbard > >Today's Plaza Spectacular: Plaza Treasure Chest > http://www.solarianet.com/treasure > Send a free virtual treasure - funny, serious, or sarcastic - > to all of your friends and loved ones! > >To stop receiving the Daily Quote or to join other Plaza Lists, >please visit the Mail Center at http://www.solarianet.com/mail > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 07:05:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Cindy's Knee Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 08:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <199810061229.IAA22112@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just wanted to let you know Cindy Pesonen came through her knee operation with flying colors, all is well. The operation took a bit longer than expected as it was damaged even more than the doctors knew. She's OK!!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 07:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Success!! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 08:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <199810061235.IAA22801@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Poured 4 more stones last night...got em out today. ***Turned out >great!!*** When I took them out of the mold, I was looking around >wishing someone were there to yell to! >;o) Am I tickled silly??? You betcha. It is a good thing, as I spent >*plenty* of time on the glass work for these. Not scrap either. > >Suzanne Congrats, Suzanne! Isn't it the best feeling in the world? Keep on stoning... Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 08:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: HP Photosmart Scanner/photo printer Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.54543.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Richard LaVal > I was noticing that the photo printers, there is supposedly a nic= e one called Alpi... and Olympus makes one too, are VERY slow... so one would have to have another printer to do regular work! Will post the addresses= for the above if I can lay hands on them!!! Meg< Yes, agreed about slow usually =3D quality of print. I have an HP LaserJet 4 MP for regular black'n'white printing, and an HP DeskJet 720C for color printing. Both excellent value. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 08:36:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Picking craft fairs Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.5502.0> References: <<1998Oct5.17438.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk who is Jessica Fletcher (for us current affairs impaired)?? Is that the maiden name of Jessica Rabbit??? Family Account wrote: (Sort of like > inviting Jessica Fletcher to dinner.) -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 09:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sky city Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.6305.0> References: <<199810061235.IAA22801@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk ok the first part of sky city is done. it's a minor part, but at least one part is done. this is the top most dome (the roof i guess). i think it has about 60 or so pieces. all i have left is about 2400 (for the shade, not the base)... http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/domedone.jpg this will bring you right to it. eventually i'll have a lamp in progress page, but currently i'm too lazy to make one. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 09:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: unsolicited sand carving opinion Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: <19981006143601.IEUY11523@vic> Precedence: bulk I just spent a week in Santa Fe New Mexico with Norm and Ruth Dobbins at their sand (a misnomer) blasting, carving, etching, and shading class. I have been around the block more times than I care to remember and am not impressed too often these days but they impressed me. They have a truly professional approach to their teaching of a fascinating aspect of glass art. They have a well-organized curriculum designed to give more than a basic knowledge of the art to beginners and experienced persons alike. As a bonus, they are also nice to be with. I came away from their class excited and champing at the bit to begin utilizing their techniques. I would highly recommend their class to anyone interested in this realm of glass art. If traveling to Santa Fe is not practical for you, I would recommend purchasing their tapes and books on the subject. Their number is 1-505-473-9203. If this sounds like a paid advertisement, I guess you can say it is, for I feel that I got back a heck of a lot more than I paid for. Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 09:59:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ADCFD15427A77B8CB7267065" Subject: Netiquette Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.65012.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADCFD15427A77B8CB7267065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this from another ML, and I feel it should make the rounds of any group we touch - Save this message, and please refer to it the next time you're about to forward a message about an email virus, free vacation from Bill Gates, etc. :-) Email Facts Of Life - Truth and Humor 1. Big companies don't do business via chain letter. Bill Gates is not giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There is no baby food company issuing class-action checks. Nike is NOT giving away free shoes. You can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's true". Furthermore, just because someone said in the message, four generations back, that "we checked it out and it's legit", does not actually make it true. 2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened to their cousin. If you are hell-bent on believing the kidney-theft ring stories, please see: http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa062997.htm And I quote: "The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests for actual victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories. None have." That's "none" as in "zero". Not even your friend's cousin. 3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe. And even if they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get a copy at: http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html then, if you make the recipe, decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free to pass the recipe on. (warning: the recipe as distributed requires an industrial-sized mixer and makes like 500 cookies at a time) 4. We all know all 500 ways to drive your roommates crazy, irritate co-workers gross out bathroom stall neighbors and creep out people on an elevator. We also know exactly how many engineers, college students, Usenet posters and people from each and every world ethnicity it takes to change a lightbulb. 5. Even if the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this information would reach the public via an AOL chain-letter? 6. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever, ever forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first confirm it at an actual site of an actual company that actually deals with viri. Try http://www.norton.com. And even then, every good computer user should be running the newest anti-virus software anyways. 7. If your CC: list is regularly longer than the actual content of your message, you're probably going to Hell. 8. If you're using Outlook, IE, or Netscape to write email, turn off the "HTML encoding." Not everyone has an Email client that will read HTML Email and it just looks like garbage to us so we just delete it, since you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe anyway. ;-) 9. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months. It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the > that begin each line. Besides, if it has gone around that many times - we've probably already seen it. 10. Craig Shergold in England is not dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is also no longer a "little boy" either. 11. There is no truth to the stories that go around about some little boy or girl dying of cancer wanting to make the largest chain letter on the Internet ever. 12. When in doubt about a story, check out www.urbanlegends.com -- they have a large archive of untrue stories that people tend to spread via Email. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel --------------ADCFD15427A77B8CB7267065 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from listserv.brown.edu (listserv.brown.edu [128.148.128.155]) by linux2.vdot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02527 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:23:49 -0400 Received: from stanley.cis.Brown.EDU (stanley.cis.brown.edu [128.148.128.155]) by listserv.brown.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA18637; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:11:07 -0400 Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 3929 for BLUES-L@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:41 -0400 Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7488; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:41 -0400 Received: from nut.brown.edu (128.148.19.196) by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R4) with TCP; Tue, 06 Oct 98 09:09:41 EDT Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by nut.brown.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01818 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12675 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (slevine@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20243 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.clark.net: slevine owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Approved-By: Steven Levine Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:09:21 -0400 Reply-To: Steven Levine Sender: Blues Music List From: Steven Levine Subject: NBC: Email Facts of Life To: Multiple recipients of list BLUES-L Save this message, and please refer to it the next time you're about to forward a message about an email virus, free vacation from Bill Gates, etc. :-) Email Facts Of Life - Truth and Humor 1. Big companies don't do business via chain letter. Bill Gates is not giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There is no baby food company issuing class-action checks. Nike is NOT giving away free shoes. You can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's true". Furthermore, just because someone said in the message, four generations back, that "we checked it out and it's legit", does not actually make it true. 2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened to their cousin. If you are hell-bent on believing the kidney-theft ring stories, please see: http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa062997.htm And I quote: "The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests for actual victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories. None have." That's "none" as in "zero". Not even your friend's cousin. 3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe. And even if they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get a copy at: http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html then, if you make the recipe, decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free to pass the recipe on. (warning: the recipe as distributed requires an industrial-sized mixer and makes like 500 cookies at a time) 4. We all know all 500 ways to drive your roommates crazy, irritate co-workers gross out bathroom stall neighbors and creep out people on an elevator. We also know exactly how many engineers, college students, Usenet posters and people from each and every world ethnicity it takes to change a lightbulb. 5. Even if the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this information would reach the public via an AOL chain-letter? 6. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever, ever forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first confirm it at an actual site of an actual company that actually deals with viri. Try http://www.norton.com. And even then, every good computer user should be running the newest anti-virus software anyways. 7. If your CC: list is regularly longer than the actual content of your message, you're probably going to Hell. 8. If you're using Outlook, IE, or Netscape to write email, turn off the "HTML encoding." Not everyone has an Email client that will read HTML Email and it just looks like garbage to us so we just delete it, since you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe anyway. ;-) 9. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months. It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the > that begin each line. Besides, if it has gone around that many times - we've probably already seen it. 10. Craig Shergold in England is not dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is also no longer a "little boy" either. 11. There is no truth to the stories that go around about some little boy or girl dying of cancer wanting to make the largest chain letter on the Internet ever. 12. When in doubt about a story, check out www.urbanlegends.com -- they have a large archive of untrue stories that people tend to spread via Email. --------------ADCFD15427A77B8CB7267065-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 10:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="non-glass:" Subject: non-glass: bantering Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Folks, Whilst all the bantering going on about people, their private lives, what they're wearing, etc may be entertaining to some, it is getting tiresome. Can people who wish to continue this conversation thread do so by private mail, and not subject everyone to this? This is a glass list, after all, and there's little glass content now-a-days as it is. Regards, charlie To paraphrase: It's better to allow someone to believe you're foolish rather than open your mouth and prove it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 10:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "iguanas@echonyc.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Post + attachment Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.72311.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk sorry about the last post of mine (Netiquette). It has a post, and an attachment, containing the original mail I received. They've upgraded my machine @ work (transparent upgrade!) and Netscape and other software is now giving me a case of the sh*ts. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 11:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a question for all you sucessful mosaic stone makers out there! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:29:04 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.15294.0> Precedence: bulk well guys ,I have a question..I have made several mosaics from diamondcrete.I was very pleased with the results in the beginning. I followed all the directions carefully and had a fairly good turnout. Until... I Just discovered that the stones I had put out on my front porch stairs have small cracks in the glass! I can't understand what is happening here. This is october..they have been out all summer and now they are cracking..it isn't even winter yet.I live on Capecod,Ma where the weather is a bit milder than inland. Please someone tell me what I may have done wrong! I am so dissapointed! I can't sell any of these.. thanks for taking the time to read this..any advice would be greatly appreciated,Thanks,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 11:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: sky city, applause to mike Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:31:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.163135.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/6/98 4:10:05 PM !!!First Boot!!!, esavad@home.net writes: << http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/domedone.jpg this will bring you right to it. eventually i'll have a lamp in progress page, but currently i'm too lazy to make one. >> Mike, It is wonderful, don't you ever dare call yourself lazy again. How you can possibly have time to work on your glass and www pages is beyond me. If I had half your talent and half your ambition, I would be an extremely happy person. (and I would also be a whole person if I did the math right......) Keep up the good work. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 11:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wrong Jessica Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.8053.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Just remembered, she is the detective person in "Murder she Wrote" played by ?????, aha, Angela Landsbury (sp). Sorry about that. Lee Boe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 11:58:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sinclair.net!cozmicench From: cozmicenchantments To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3FE0D31DB645A01FB68F9A9D" Subject: [Fwd: GL- Marbles Please!] Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.23416.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FE0D31DB645A01FB68F9A9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just passin' this on! It sounds like a blast! --------------3FE0D31DB645A01FB68F9A9D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from kenneth.frugal.com (kenneth.frugal.com [199.236.251.4]) by cutter.sincom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id FAA00231 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by kenneth.frugal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00481 for hotglass-list; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:34:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: kenneth.frugal.com: majordom set sender to owner-hotglass@lists.frugal.com using -f Received: from primeline.primeline.com (mail.primeline.com [206.154.6.3]) by kenneth.frugal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00478 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:34:37 -0700 Received: from home.primeline.com ([206.154.7.11]) by primeline.primeline.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25851 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Eckes" To: Subject: GL- Marbles Please! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdf125$44ba83c0$0b079ace@home.primeline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF103.BDA8E3C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3619CCD7.FA1A05EC@worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-hotglass@lists.frugal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hotglass@lists.frugal.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF103.BDA8E3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---- Hi all, Would like to find out if there are any marble makers out there.....any kind or method. I would like to introduce myself, I am a lampwork marble maker (and bead maker) and I have been asked by Susan Gott in Tampa, who is organizing the '99 GAS conference, to help put together a "marble competition" for that time. We have not collected all of the rule as of yet (any suggestions?) so far it looks like this: 1. Each player/artist must make their own marble for play. Target marbles are no more than 3/8" and shooters are no more than 3/4" (sorry furnace workers.....thems the rules, which does not mean that we can't change 'em if we need to!). All marbles must be signed or have a makers mark and/or some sort of chop on them for ID during play. 2. The play is for 'keepsies' and will be the game "Ringer" (played within a 7 foot circle). 3. The entry fee is one of your best "collectible" marbles. We are trying to gather a "definitive" collection of handmade contemporary marbles which will be auctioned off to raise money for GAS. It will probably get some press coverage w/local TV (NBC?) as I have a friend with major connections there. I am going to try anyway. 4. The "meet" will be standard elimination rounds (as in any sporting meet) and might or might not have a "wild card" entry as well. 5. The winner gets to have bragging rights until the next meet (I understand that it could become an anual or semi-anual event), have a major blast-o-fun AND gets to keep the rare, signed playing marbles. After all, how many of you will make marbles this size unless you have to? We might even cook up a prize of some sort if we can.....any ideas? This is it so far. I want to get some sort of idea of how many will participate in this event soooo......please respond with ideas, or suggestions....as well as let me know if you want to enter. You don't need to be a "famous" marble maker....after all I am just a schmo (but a schmo with a mission!) in most glass circles. Also, please pass this post along to any that you think might be interested along with my e-mail address. Oh, don't feel like you will be competing with a bunch of professional players either......the fact is that most marble makers don't really play very well! Thanks in advance, Jeff Eckes The Glass Giraffe 828-456-6665 828-456-1985 fax giraffe@primeline.com GlassGiraf@aol.com www.glassgiraffe.com (soon) ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF103.BDA8E3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
---- = Hi=20 all,
 
Would like to=20 find out if there are any marble makers out there.....any kind or=20 method.
I = would like to=20 introduce myself, I am a lampwork marble maker (and bead maker) and I = have been=20 asked by Susan Gott in Tampa, who is organizing the '99 GAS conference, = to help=20 put together a "marble competition" for that time.  We = have not=20 collected all of the rule as of yet (any suggestions?) so far it looks = like=20 this:
 
1.  Each=20 player/artist must make their own marble for play.  Target marbles = are no=20 more than 3/8" and shooters are no more than 3/4" (sorry = furnace=20 workers.....thems the rules, which does not mean that we can't change = 'em if we=20 need to!).  All marbles must be signed or have a makers mark and/or = some=20 sort of chop on them for ID during play.
 
2.  The play=20 is for 'keepsies' and will be the game "Ringer" (played within = a 7=20 foot circle).
 
3.  The=20 entry fee is one of your best "collectible" marbles.  We = are=20 trying to gather a "definitive" collection of handmade = contemporary=20 marbles which will be auctioned off to raise money for GAS.  It = will=20 probably get some press coverage w/local TV (NBC?) as I have a friend = with major=20 connections there.  I am going to try = anyway.
 
4.  The=20 "meet" will be standard elimination rounds (as in any sporting = meet)=20 and might or might not have a "wild card" entry as=20 well.
 
5.  The=20 winner gets to have bragging rights until the next meet (I understand = that it=20 could become an anual or semi-anual event), have a major blast-o-fun AND = gets to=20 keep the rare, signed playing marbles.  After all, how many of you = will=20 make marbles this size unless you have to?  We might even cook up a = prize=20 of some sort if we can.....any ideas?
 
This is it so=20 far.  I want to get some sort of idea of how many will participate = in this=20 event soooo......please respond with ideas, or suggestions....as well as = let me=20 know if you want to enter.  You don't need to be a = "famous"=20 marble maker....after all I am just a schmo (but a schmo with a = mission!) in=20 most glass circles.
Also, please pass=20 this post along to any that you think might be interested along with my = e-mail=20 address.
 
Oh, don't feel=20 like you will be competing with a bunch of professional players = either......the=20 fact is that most marble makers don't really play very=20 well!
 
Thanks in=20 advance,
 
Jeff=20 Eckes
The Glass=20 Giraffe
828-456-6665
828-456-1985  fax
giraffe@primeline.com
GlassGiraf@aol.com
www.glassgiraffe.com  = =20 (soon)
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDF103.BDA8E3C0-- From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 11:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing (sort of) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.54547.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:mschatee@juno.com >I am making a 12" x 16" oval panel to be donated to the American Cancer Society for a fund raising auction. They need to know the estimated value of it so they could ask for a minimum bid price. I have no clue! = It'll only have 18 pieces. Any advice on what to list the value at?< I would charge $175 for a 12"x16" oval framed panel. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 12:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Picking craft fairs Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.7536.0> References: <<1998Oct6.5502.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Could be wrong, but she acted the crreepy lady in the Poltergiest Movies, and several other creepy type Sci/Fi/Fantasy movies Lee Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > who is Jessica Fletcher (for us current affairs impaired)?? > Is that the maiden name of Jessica Rabbit??? > Family Account wrote: > (Sort of like > > inviting Jessica Fletcher to dinner.) > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 12:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Found several sources for 'Bumpons' Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.75710.0> References: <<1998Oct6.5502.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks every one who helped me find the clear bumpons in large quantities. Ordered 1000, for 30.95 , and have several catalogs on the way, including the woodworking one. Also will get some framing Catalogs and start putting panels in wood frames. I found it is easier than I thought, now I need a framing gun. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 13:26:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: leestat7@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silicone bumper pads Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.17571.0> Precedence: bulk Here is our source for bumpons: United Mfrs. Supplies, Inc. 1-800-645-7260 Fax (516) 496-7968 3M Brand clear 1000 / $30.90 2000 / 29.60 per thousand 5,000 / 29.10 per thousand United brand 1000 / $17.25 5,000 / $15.50 per thousand These are clear 1/2" flat on top, round They also have the rounded top clear. They are 3M brand. Same price as the flat top 3M. Hope this helps, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: leestat7@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silicone bumper pads Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.17571.0> Precedence: bulk Here is our source for bumpons: United Mfrs. Supplies, Inc. 1-800-645-7260 Fax (516) 496-7968 3M Brand clear 1000 / $30.90 2000 / 29.60 per thousand 5,000 / 29.10 per thousand United brand 1000 / $17.25 5,000 / $15.50 per thousand These are clear 1/2" flat on top, round They also have the rounded top clear. They are 3M brand. Same price as the flat top 3M. Hope this helps, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Picking craft fairs Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:38:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.43824.0> References: <<1998Oct6.5502.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I loved Christie's answer(I think it was Christie, sorry if I am wrong. Hit the delete button too quick) As for areas that have money, you must know your own area for that. As for folks spending money and spending it on glass. Your best bet is an isolated area, that has a quality juried show once a year. And these are hard to find. Craft shows are saturating to the point of turning people off. Doesn't matter how large the community is. What is important is that it is well known and the community makes a plan of attending each year. It can be a one horse town or a specific area of a large city. Just remember, if you didn't have to travel far, don't have to pay motel rooms, and didn't spend a fortune on props, then if only 20 people bought $50 items, then that is a good show. You can pretty much figure you will sell 1/4 of your inventory. You need that much extra to draw customers into your booth. Spring and Christmas are the best times of the year. Spring people are buying to renew home and yard(great for garden stones). And Christmas they are buying for gifts. Best advice is: check the show out the year before. Talk to the promoters, and see what they are like to deal with. Talk to other vendors and see if they like doing the show. Find out when deadlines for fees are, do they want insurance, what other little quirks do they have and can you live with them? Are the other products in the show of good quality? Are the displays good and welcoming? Do they pipe in music? Does the promoter do drape and pipes? Did you like the location? Was the parking good? Was it good for the vendors? Do they give you adequate set-up time(usually 4 hours to set-up and 2 to tear down). Do you have to set-up in a sequencing schedule(I recommend avoiding this. It is hard and it usually means that the promoter does not have much consideration for the vendor)? What else is going on at the same time. If they have a carnival I can't say it enough STAY AWAY FROM THIS ONE!!! When is it being held? If it is around any other holiday than Mother's Day, Thanksgiving, or Christmas, don't expect to sale much. It has been my experience say like Labor Day, people want to raft down a river and eat hot dogs, not do craft shows. And Easter, they have usually spent a bundle on the new Easter Outfits, candy and stuffed bunnies. How many years have they been doing it. This is a tricky one. Because the promoters may have gotten stale or greedy, or quit and new ones are running the show, who are not as good at it yet, as they should be. This is why you need to talk to vendors who do the show. Never do an unjuried show. And once you have been accepted, don't expect to be asked back the next year. Once you have done all that, then you must get your booth ready. That is an art form in itself. And I am sure others here can give you some hints on this part of craft shows. Christie? Hope that helped. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: 5 Copies every Post Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.11018.0> Precedence: bulk Today I started getting 5 copies of every post. All exactly the same with the same times on them. Is this happening to anyone else out there? Has it ever happened before that you know of? I really enjoy reading the mail but this is ridiculous. Its probably our rural telephone system out here. Suzanne, your enthusiasm over your stones has inspired me to do some. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:43:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: non-glass: bantering Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.11259.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Charlie (one of my favorite lurkers;-) - Feel free to start a good glass- related thread anytime!! Maybe some of us are a = little slap-happy from keeping the conversation going - besides, all this banter is better than the flamefests which is the only other time the lurkers come out of the woodwork! All in my pompous opinion of course! Best, Dani Greer(who is not paid by bungi and has a full-time job, too.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:39:04 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.19394.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-06 13:35:11 EDT, you write: << Folks, Whilst all the bantering going on about people, their private lives, what they're wearing, etc may be entertaining to some, it is getting tiresome. Can people who wish to continue this conversation thread do so by private mail, and not subject everyone to this? This is a glass list, after all, and there's little glass content now-a-days as it is. Regards, charlie To paraphrase: It's better to allow someone to believe you're foolish rather than open your mouth and prove it. -- >> CHARLIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 17:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: CncptThnkr@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: sky city, applause to mike Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:45:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct6.194517.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-06 14:28:04 EDT, you write: << Mike, It is wonderful, don't you ever dare call yourself lazy again. How you can possibly have time to work on your glass and www pages is beyond me. If I had half your talent and half your ambition, I would be an extremely happy person. (and I would also be a whole person if I did the math right......) Keep up the good work. Pat >> PAT, I SECOND THIS......MIKE, YOUR WEB SITE HAS BEEN SO HELPFUL.. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO...YOU'RE AN INSPIRATION!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:00:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond - mini-Bio Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.105459.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, very good, Elisabeth, I like the idea of glass tu-tus. And so clever of you to bring the topic back to glass! ;-) = Best, Dani (who also has hairy legs right now!) Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Jessica Fletcher Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:45:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.124543.0> References: <<1998Oct6.5502.0>> Precedence: bulk ...was the heroine of the TV show "Murder She Wrote". Whenever she was invited to dinner, someone was murdered. I don't know how she had so many friends, they were all so busy killing each other. (Sorry for the obscure reference) Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > who is Jessica Fletcher (for us current affairs impaired)?? > Is that the maiden name of Jessica Rabbit??? > Family Account wrote: > (Sort of like > > inviting Jessica Fletcher to dinner.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:IMN2GLASS2@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: a question for all you sucessful mosaic stone makers out there! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.133116.0> Precedence: bulk Gee, I wonder if they didn't do enough testing on Diamoncrete before they started selling the product? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bdos.com!caroline From: Caroline Lindner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: shipping Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981006174319.0068d728@mail.bdos.com> Precedence: bulk Over the past 6 months I have ordered a number of panels ranging in size from approximately 20 -24 inches in diameter and rectangular. There has been tremendous variation in packaging. Some have arrived ok, others were cracked. What is the best way to package the panel? Who is the best carrier? Does the shipping distance matter? What about insurance? What has your experience been? Caroline Lindner caroline@bdos.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:12:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: putty questions Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:19:14 -0700 Message-ID: <199810062119.OAA17337@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Here's a couple of questions for the experienced lead came folk: Does homemade putty keep about the same length of time as the stuff in a can? Just made my first homemade batch and have some over. I have it in a sealed plastic container. Once a window's been puttied, is the hardening time affected by temperature. Right now it's lying in my outdoor studio (15C) , but I need to transport it Wednesday night. Would it harden more quickly if I brought it into the house and lit a fire (20C)? I seem to remember hearing that the hardening is more a chemical reaction than a drying action (or is that fibreglass?). Lastly, can I reuse the whiting I use in the final polish in my next batch of putty? TIA Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:17:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering heartily seconded!!!!! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.82155.0> Precedence: bulk SQAgAGYAdQBsAGwAeQAgAGEAZwByAGUAZQAgAHcAaQB0AGgAIABDAGgAYQByAGwAZQBzAC4AIABT AG8AYwBpAGEAbAAgAGMAaABpAHQALQBjAGgAYQB0ACwAIAByAGUALQBoAGEAcwBoAGUAZAAgAHAA bwBzAHQAcwAsACAAcgBlAHAAZQBhAHQAZQBkACAAZAByAGkAdgBlAGwAIABhAG4AZAAgAHcAaABh AHQAIABlAHYAZQByACAAZQBsAHMAZQAgAGkAcwAgAG4AZQBlAGQAZQBkACAAdABvACAAZgBlAGUA bAAgAHcAZQAgAGEAcgBlACAAYwBvAG0AbQB1AG4AaQBjAGEAdABpAG4AZwAgAGkAZgAgAFAARQBS AEYARQBDAFQATABZACAAdwBlAGwAYwBvAG0AZQAuAC4ALgAuAC4ALgAuAC4ALgBQAFIASQBWAEEA VABFAEwAWQAuACAASQAgAHcAbwB1AGwAZAAgAGwAaQBrAGUAIAB0AG8AIABzAGUAZQAgAHQAaABl ACAAYgB1AGwAawAgAG8AZgAgAHQAaABlACAAYwBvAG0AbQB1AG4AaQBjAGEAdABpAG8AbgAgAG8A bgAgAGIAdQBuAGcAaQAgAHIAZQBsAGEAdABlAGQAIAB0AG8AIABnAGwAYQBzAHMALgAgAE8AbgAg AGEAIABwAGUAcgBzAG8AbgBhAGwAIABsAGUAdgBlAGwALAAgAHcAaABhAHQAZQB2AGUAcgAgAHQA dQByAG4AcwAgAHkAbwB1AHIAIABjAHIAYQBuAGsALgBUAFUAVABVACIAUwAgAGkAbgBjAGwAdQBk AGUAZAAhACAAUABsAGUAYQBzAGUAIABrAGUAZQBwACAAaQB0ACAAcABlAHIAcwBvAG4AYQBsACwA IABvAHIAIABhAHQAIABsAGUAYQBzAHQAIABzAHQAYQByAHQAIABhACAAcwB1AGIALQBsAGkAcwB0 ACAAdABoAGEAdAAgAHQAaABvAHMAZQAgAG8AZgAgAHkAbwB1ACAAdwBoAG8AIABoAGEAdgBlACAA dABoAGUAIAB1AHIAZwBlACAAdABvACAAYwBvAG4AdABpAG4AdQBlACAAbQBhAHkAIABwAG8AcwB0 ACAAdABvACAAZQBhAGMAaAAgAG8AdABoAGUAcgAgAHcAaQB0AGgAIABvAHUAdAAgAG0AeQAgAGIA ZQBpAG4AZwAgAG0AYQBkAGUAIABwAHIAaQB2AHkAIAB0AG8AIABpAHQAIQANAAoAIABNAGEAbgB5 ACAAbwBmACAAdABoAGUAIABMAE8ATgBHACAAdwBpAG4AZABlAGQAIABuAG8AbgAtAHIAZQBsAGUA dgBhAG4AdAAgAHAAbwBzAHQAIABhAHIAZQAgAGIAZQBpAG4AZwAgAGgAYQBuAGQAbABlAGQAIABi AHkAIABtAHkAIABuAG8AbgAtAGMAbwBtAHAAbABhAGkAbgBpAG4AZwAgAGkAbgAtAGIAbwB4ACAA YQBzAHMAaQBzAHQAYQBuAHQAIQANAAoADQAKAFMAaQBsAGUAbgB0ACAAZgBvAHIAIAB0AG8AbwAg AGwAbwBuAGcALAAgAEgADQAKAA0ACgANAAoAdwBlAGEAdgBlAHIANQAxAEAAdABlAGwAZQBwAG8A cgB0AC4AYwBvAG0ADQAKAGgAdAB0AHAAOgAvAC8AdwB3AHcALgB0AGUAbABlAHAAbwByAHQALgBj AG8AbQAvAH4AYwBiAHMALwBoAG8AdwBhAHIAZAAgACAAIABiAGUAcwB0ACAAbABhAG0AcABzACAA bwBuACAAdABoAGUAIAAiAG4AZQB0ACIADQAKAGUAbgBtAGUAcwBoAGUAZAAgAGkAbgAgAHQAaABl ACAAaQBuAHQAZQByAG4AZQB0AA0ACgB0AHIAYQBwAHAAZQBkACAAaQBuACAAdABoAGUAIAB3AG8A cgBsAGQAIAB3AGkAZABlACAAdwBlAGIADQAKAA0ACgA= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sky city, applause to mike Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:22:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.132255.0> References: <<1998Oct6.163135.0>> Precedence: bulk CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/6/98 4:10:05 PM !!!First Boot!!!, esavad@home.net > writes: > > << http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/domedone.jpg this will bring you > right to it. eventually i'll have a lamp in progress page, but currently > i'm too lazy to make one. >> > > Mike, > > It is wonderful, don't you ever dare call yourself lazy again. How you can > possibly have time to work on your glass and www pages is beyond me. If I had > half your talent and half your ambition, I would be an extremely happy person. > (and I would also be a whole person if I did the math right......) > > Keep up the good work. > > Pat > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i figure this lamp will take me roughly a year at the pace i'm going. since i'm only doing it mainly on the weekends. i calcuated the amount of work that's going into itor i should say the amount of parts that it need. a part is counted as a seperate step, the roof that's done, is 1 part. the fish lamp had about about 12 parts. sky city with base will be about 70 parts. and most of the cuts will be done with the ringsaw (like all the little half moons on the roof). which btw is going to be rather subtle compared to the rest of the lamp.. the next section is the main dome... if anyone hear get's common ground (which i know some of you do), the lamp sketch above the fish lamp is the sketch of sky city. it's a really bad sketch but you can get a rough idea. hopefully soon, maybe after the next section is done, i can set that page up... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.105452.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, the nightmare continues, Elisabeth! As part of your = guest-ship at W-C, we should also have a juried art show of bungi work.... and start a new award program called the TuTu Awards for best of show. What = do you think? ;-) Best, Dani a.k.a "Toby-Legs" Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Strike-outs in text (not glass) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:53:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199810062156.RAA04274@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Hey! While I was setting up the archive of this forum to index, I took a look at one of the posts and noticed that there were lines through a bunch of the text. Remember all the people who wondered about that? And how I (among others) blamed it all on AOL? Wrong! (I was wrong.) It's those little (smiles) that I and others use: I say to indicate a smile and to indicate a grin ... but is HTML for "strike through the following word(s)." Only those who are using a mail reader that's pulling the mail in HTML are affected, but I'm going to come up with some other smile indicator myself. I feel so foolish. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:37:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Vic LaGreca Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: unsolicited sand carving opinion Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct6.63124.0> References: <<19981006143601.IEUY11523@vic>> Precedence: bulk Hi Vic: I made the trek to Santa Fe last year and fully agree with your assessment of the Dobbins and their teaching. Learned a bunch and found his techniques easy to follow. I also use his tapes for refreshing some of the activities. Would love to take his advanced course but it is a little pricy. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:41:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RdHdFilly From: RdHdFilly@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: CANCEL ! Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:26:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.02631.0> Precedence: bulk Please cancel me from your list...... Thanks Sandi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 18:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netonecom.net!nkitchen From: "Nancy Kitchen" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: multiples Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.17150.0> Precedence: bulk yes, I too am getting 5 or more of every message. Also have to agree that some conversation is not meant for everyone and should be sent to individual addresses. Primarily the falling off the chair laughing ones (FOCL). These problems do create allot of unnecessary wasted time in condensing and reading files. But I hope you don't take it personally. Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 19:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:45:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pricing Thanks Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:06:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.167.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for your input on pricing. In my last post I asked again but I hadn't yet read all the responses. It's a copperfoiled piece and all the glass is glass I have already so I am not laying any money out. It's just the time which I don't mind. I usually do the Breast Cancer Walk on October 18th, but I have a weekend long conference to go to and I'll miss it. Besides the time I work on glass is my therapy time ( I teach handicapped kindergartners ) so I need some therapy when I get home. I guess I will tell them the value is $100, a nice round figure and hope for the best, they are looking to raise $10,000 at the auction ( a drop in the bucket for what is needed for Cancer Research). Thanks again, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 19:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bantering...agreement with Charles Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.114810.0> Precedence: bulk I, too would like to see the posts more glass related! Please remove my address from YOUR OWN PERSONAL MAILING LISTS!!!! I have been so fortunate to get the posts from both bungi and a "cc". I will sacrifice the duplicated one and treasure the bungi one. Somewhere in the major scope of spreading all this pithy information, please include a reference to glass if it humanely possible. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 19:41:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: shipping Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.174648.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Caroline- Most of the things we ship are quite large and therefore are crated and affixed to pallets so they always stand upright. Any trucking company can handle that kind of a shipment. Have never had any damage shipping that way.... glass orders in or windows shipped out. On occasion, we get a small glass order UPS, and our suppliers usually ship = those in boxes lines with about four inches of foam and the glass itself is wrapped in bubble or thin styro sheets. Hope that helps. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 19:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: lots of letters Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:05:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.12527.0> Precedence: bulk No Idea why, but I did re-post..........gist is STAY with bulk list for glass...GO private for social stuff( i.e. blue tutu). enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 20:12:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199810070214.DAA14726@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Boom Boom!!!I Don't think I could have said it better myself!! I "contorted" myself a few minutes ago "off-group" to Dani. Fun, banter and laughter has quite an extra-ordinarily liberating effect. .....and Dani pre-empted me..... It may appear "non" s.g. related. In the long term it just is not. My own mail-bag these last few days just proves it... To make "Newbies" aware of that a few old seasoned "Pros" are not beyond or below being "silly", is no bad thing. Neither is it a bad thing to make them aware of the fact that "we" too still learn .... probably always will.... I have - as a result - received some wonderful, constructive "off-group" questions, from people who dared to pluck up the courage to ASK. All of which I intend to use as a kind of "Foundation" for my trip to USA next year. That -in part - has been achieved by allowing people to relax, to laugh and indulge in a bit of a "silly season". My mail-bag has been packed with people saying.... "he/she will think me a total idiot...... don't want to presume.... don't want to over-burden their time.... realize that they're "pros" so don't want to be pushy... realize that my own particular -problem is probably stupid to a "Pro".... and .... and....the rest of it...... There is a certain kind of "pompousity" that has NO space or room in the way way I function or want to teach stained glass - in your post... It was one of the reasons WHY I asked you, guys, what you WANT from the Olde Worlde...... Hey Charles, it was YOU that winged.... OK! Fine! I take your point!!! SO, .... I will challenge YOU to design a stained glass do-able "tu-tu". What have you got to lose?? ....Or are you afraid of a bit of laughter....??? I will execute your design (IF do-able) and bring it with me to USA. But I would like to tell you ONE thing.; the banter and the jokes may PERHAPS have gone you by.... but it sure as ANYTHING has brought about a lot of very relevant stained glass questions.... from Newbies, beginners, lurkers and other folks who would love to get started into LEAD but - up to now have just felt too intimidated so to do..... Elisabeth 'n Toby on the USA trail.... (still ...... in UK) Dani wrote: > Hi Charlie (one of my > favorite lurkers;-) - Feel > free to start a good glass- > related thread anytime!! > Maybe some of us are a = > > little slap-happy from keeping > the conversation going - > besides, all this banter is > better than the flamefests > which is the only other > time the lurkers come out > of the woodwork! All in my > pompous opinion of course! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 20:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Strike-outs in text (not glass) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.181214.0> References: <<199810062156.RAA04274@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk How about that-mystery solved, maybe try :-) and ;-) for these??? Lee Albert Lewis wrote: > > Hey! While I was setting up the archive of this forum to index, I > took a look at one of the posts and noticed that there were lines > through a bunch of the text. Remember all the people who wondered > about that? And how I (among others) blamed it all on AOL? > > Wrong! (I was wrong.) > > It's those little (smiles) that I and others use: I say to > indicate a smile and to indicate a grin ... but is HTML for > "strike through the following word(s)." > > Only those who are using a mail reader that's pulling the mail in > HTML are affected, but I'm going to come up with some other smile > indicator myself. > > I feel so foolish. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 20:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: (no subject) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:23:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.22320.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, Great detective job on the crossed out text. : ) (smile) Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 20:48:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: putty questions Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.185939.0> References: <<199810062119.OAA17337@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I was taught that the putty was not water soluble, and to put a layer of water on top of the putty, and seal it in a can or plastic tub. I also put the brush used to spead the goop in a covered tub of water. The putty doesn't get to mix with the air (oxygen), and never gets to harden. Carol Swann wrote: > Does homemade putty keep about the same length of time as the stuff in a > can? Just made my first homemade batch and have some over. I have it in a > sealed plastic container. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 21:10:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Elisabeth Crossing the Pond Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:52:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199810070152.SAA15508@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Oh, the nightmare continues, >Elisabeth! As part of your = > >guest-ship at W-C, we should >also have a juried art show of >bungi work.... and start a new >award program called the TuTu >Awards for best of show. What = > >do you think? ;-) I think tu-tus should replace bungi cords as means of ID at glass shows ;) With apologies to all who can't remember where their delete buttons are...I just couldn't resist. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 21:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@intrastar.net Subject: putty questions Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:14:19, -0500 Message-ID: <199810070414.AAA14464@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann writes: >>Does homemade putty keep about the same length of time as the stuff in a can? Just made my first homemade batch and have some over. I have it in a sealed plastic container.<< I keep my extra mixed putty in one pound coffee cans: metal cans with a snap on plastic lid. Keeps well for a few days. After a week or so adding a little turpentine is necessary. After about three weeks the putty is rather hard and I toss it. Unopened store canned putty should keep for years. >>Once a window's been puttied, is the hardening time affected by temperature. Right now it's lying in my outdoor studio (15C) , but I need to transport it Wednesday night. Would it harden more quickly if I brought it into the house and lit a fire (20C)?<< The initial set up of the putty is due to volitation (you know, smelling off) of components like turpentine. The turpentine is about 1/2 the liquid component of putty. Remove half of the turpentine, which happens in a day or two, and the putty is much stiffer. Placing the window in a warm area will speed up the evaporation of the turpentine and speed the hardening of the putty. >>Lastly, can I reuse the whiting I use in the final polish in my next batch of putty?<< I do it all the time. In fact, I am so cheep that I reuse the whiting from the first days cleanup in the second and third days polishing. Not only does it save whiting but it makes for a deeper black patina on the lead of the finished window. So, in theory, whiting is never waste in my studio. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 22:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!toby01 From: mac & pat To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stained glass came techniques Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:28:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.162826.0> Precedence: bulk I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT YOU MAY HAVE BOOKS FOR SALE REGARDING THE BASICS OF ABOVE SUBJECT.WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INFO YOU COULD PROVIDE. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 22:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: nadinesfolly@erols.com Subject: Re: copper foiling Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.203637.0> References: <<1998Sep27.162016.0>>> Precedence: bulk Someone submitted a tip to our web site once that we never actually tested but sounded good. Just warm the foil up to add life to the old adhesive. The tipster suggested using an electric fryingpan with a cover, (set on low), but I suppose and oven would do. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com > >Teresa. . . >You need to make sure that your glass is absolutely clean >--especially on the edges. If that is the case then probably >the problem is your foil. I had the same problem with >Venture foil--had to throw out alot of rolls. Then I started >to use Edco foil and I've never had the problem again. > Nadine > >Teresa Ross wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm having trouble with copper foiling. I can't get the copper to >stick = >> to the glass. I haven't done it for a while but don't recall having >this = >> trouble before. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> teresa ross >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >--------------CED104310BF36867EE9E360E >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="nadinesfolly.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Nadine Beth Schneider >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="nadinesfolly.vcf" > >begin:vcard >n:Schneider;Nadine Beth >x-mozilla-html:FALSE >org:Nadine's Folly Art Glass Studio >version:2.1 >email;internet:nadinesfolly@erols.com >title:www.nadinesfolly.com >x-mozilla-cpt:;0 >fn:Nadine Beth Schneider >end:vcard > > >--------------CED104310BF36867EE9E360E-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 22:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Toby , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.191340.0> References: <<199810070214.DAA14726@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > ; the > banter and the jokes may PERHAPS have gone you by.... but it sure as > ANYTHING has brought about a lot of very relevant stained glass > questions.... from Newbies, beginners, lurkers and other folks who > would love to get started into LEAD but - up to now have just felt > too intimidated so to do..... > Elisabeth 'n Toby on the USA trail.... (still ...... in UK) > Thank you *so much* Elisabeth!! You know if you (Elisabeth) arent respected here, I certainly dont expect to be...but here are my 2 cents anyway. The delete button is easy to push. Elisabeth, Dani and several others have done *more* to make *me* feel welcome and comfortable here by being a person *first* and a stained glassier (?) second or even 5th. Maybe that doesnt matter to you (the *I only want glass talk* people), but that is what this list seems to have been started as...a way for people who love to work with glass to communicate with each other. I have yet to see any rules, that *every* post has to contain a certain amount of text book information. If that was all it was meant for, we could all just go buy more books. As much as I love books, people are much more valuable. If there are such rules, maybe someone who has been with this list longer than I could refer me to them? Suzanne, still from Tulsa, and still new to the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 22:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: esavad@home.net Subject: Re: grozing pliers Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.203346.0> References: <<1998Sep30.4580.0>>> Precedence: bulk .. Do any of the >newbies >> ,or old timers(like me) use two groziers when thy want to separate >small >> and sometimes,lengthy cuts. Just butt the groziers on the score and >> pull,I have been doing this for years and wondered if it wasn't >something >> that should be passed on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's tricky getting the glass to line up. and not "crushing the other piece" with the other pair of pliers.. Hi gang, Been kinda busy lately and fell behind on my Bungi. Just skimmed over about 500 posts and came across this and wanted to comment. Often my students think that they have "crushed" glass with the pliers. While it is possible to break some very textured glasses when you squeeze them in a plier, that is not the same as crushing it. In almost every case where someone thinks they have crushed the glass what is really happening is that they are not gripping it tightly enough. The result of this loose grip is that the jaw of the plier opens slightly causing uneven pressure and the glass crumbles like peanut brittle. In almost every case this occurs in the weaker hand. (In the right hand of a lefty, in the left hand of a righty.) The cure is to concentrate on squeezing tighter with the weaker hand. If you're brave and like to play, put on some safety glasses and a pair of iron gloves to protect you in case your pliers break. Find a nice flat piece of glass and see if you can squeeze it tightly enough in a glass plier to crush it. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 23:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Non-glass and more stuff Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.192929.0> Precedence: bulk Isn't it a shame that the only time some people post is with a complaint. They don't send bios, they don't ask question, seldom if ever do they contribute ..... just complain. Oh well .... if the shoe fits ... wear it. In my case the TuTu fits and I do wear it. In all of the excitement of Elisabeth coming over perhaps the conversation did get off center. So What? Without the personalities on this list seeping through, this list would be as wonderful as a textbook. Bring on the Flames. But do it private, some people can't find the delete button. I will personally answer each and every one with a very catchy two word phrase. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 6 23:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:24:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.62433.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? (Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover or Hi Sheen? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 00:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:33:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.63343.0> Precedence: bulk Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? (The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He charged me like 7 bucks for it.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 00:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Karen K." , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stepping stones Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct6.205630.0> References: <<1998Oct4.175941.0>> Precedence: bulk > There is still a very light > mark where the paper was cut but its even with the edge and I don't do > anything to it, this too will totally disappear with weathering naturally. > Let us know how your next 3 turn out. > Karen K. > > > ---- My last batch of 4 stones, one large round, 2 8x8 square, and one 5x9, turned out good. I say good, because they arent *perfect*, the imperfections are minor though and I think pretty easily fixed with just a bit of topping mix. What I consider my best looking and sellable stone has an appearance that I really hope and pray I can duplicate. With this stone, I used a circular dk green ivy design with dk blue glass as its background. Then spaced not quite an inch out is a border of deep red triangles, and streaky green/blue triangles nesting almost against each other. I cut the contact paper just on the edge of the outside triangles. The stone is rather smooth (and a tad lighter) within the glassed area. Then it takes on an appearance of almost (not quite) pumice stone, maybe granite with a little more color (more earthy). It looks like I have the glass in some other material and inlaid into another stone. Almost as if I sand blasted the most outside of the top and side of the stone. (if you assumed it was all the same material) (I hope this makes sense) It has a very interesting and old appearance. Everyone who has seen it has really liked it. It was not what I had planned, so it took a little warming up to on my part, but I am liking it more and more...and now want more to turn out like it. The interesting texture, was caused by the mold I used, (my garage sale find) which didnt release *all* the concrete. The design and colors are a part of what makes the texture acceptable also, this texture would not do with a more delicate looking pattern. This has an American Indian feel to it. A lucky accident that as I said, I hope to reproduce! ;o) This experiance I am having with making stepping stones has been an interesting learning experience for me. I am learning more about the use and combination of colors and textures (than I expected) and how they work together to create unique and individual peices that I am afraid I may have a hard time parting with. I also feel like I am learning more (in the manner that I have) than if I had taken a class and just done things as the teacher taught me to do it. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 05:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips & A New Question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:04:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.11431.0> Precedence: bulk I use CJ's and lather up with a soft nail brush to get into all the corners and crevices. After applying patina, I apply a coating of glass polish, let it dry completely, and then buff with a clean cloth. I bought a shoe polishing set at a garage sale recently and tried to use it to do the final polishing. For some reason, the polisher placed a black residue in the crevices of the glass and made the piece look dirty. The black residue wasn't patina because that piece was left silver. Does anyone know what the black was? And how I can get it off before polishing? I originally thought the pad had shoe polish on it, but I used a new one and the same thing happened. I'd really like to use the polisher because it does a great job, but need to know how to get rid of the black stuff first. TIA Brenda Marhon In a message dated 10/7/98 2:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JJKIRBY@aol.com writes: << Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? (Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover or Hi Sheen? >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 05:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Mike's sky city Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.34250.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, For us novices, how about a short blurb about how one goes about designing 3-d like your dome? Do you make a solid form and draw on it? Do you just cut and fit (paper- glass)? It looks like the edges of your glass overlap. Just how did you come about doing this? Thanks for sharing. You are truly innovative. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 05:54:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non-glass and more stuff Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct7.35554.0> References: <<1998Oct6.192929.0>> Precedence: bulk Patrick the Kelly wrote: "I will personally answer each and every one with a very catchy two word phrase." Now, Patrick, would those words be Happy Birthday, lad? m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 07:19:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 09:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: <199810071319.JAA21994@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use >kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > >Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than >cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > >(The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass >retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He >charged >me like 7 bucks for it.) An 8-oz. container of Novacan glass cutting oil cost me $2.69 at my local supplier. It should last you a long time. No ingredients listed, except it's an "oil based" lubricant. Works fine for me. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 07:27:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 09:25:57 -0400 Message-ID: <199810071329.JAA23046@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Tulsa Suzanne said: > >This experiance I am having with making stepping stones has been an >interesting learning experience for me. I am learning more about the >use and combination of colors and textures (than I expected) and how >they work together to create unique and individual peices that I am >afraid I may have a hard time parting with. I also feel like I am >learning more (in the manner that I have) than if I had taken a class >and just done things as the teacher taught me to do it. That's it, Suzanne. You will learn more by "just doing it." Risk-taking is a big part of art, and I think stained glass in particular, for you never really see it until you're done. I call it "the agony and the ecstasy." Young Suzanne! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 07:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Craft Fairs Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.5400.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com >> crows on a stick" type of "craft" which makes stained glass work > look absolutely terrible when they are exhibited side by side. This may seem really dumb to you, but having never done a craft show myself...would you mind explaining why? I would have thought that being next to crows on sticks would make the glass look that much better! Shows how much I know.< My experience has shown that when people see the crows-on-a-stick crafts (which are inveritably stuck into a bale of hay, which the crafter= s this year just left in the yard in front of my store instead of taking away) they assume the rest of the crafts on that aisle are also crows-on-a-stic= k crafts, and will not even bother to walk down the aisle. Dust from the hay bales & dried floral arrangements, woodwork, etc. settle on the glass, making for a constant dusting problem for you. It also cuts down on the pretty, shiny light of your display. The colors preferred by the "country" and "Primative" crafts look like they've mixed mud into the paint. This visually absorbes and dulls down all your pretty glass colors and light. Ever see one person in a business suit surrounded by everyone else dress in sportswear? Makes the business suit person look silly, even though they may have the "better", more expensive outfit. Same thing happens when a lone glass artist is surrounded by "country" crafts. Personally, I much prefer to be located in an aisle whose booths are mostly consisting of other glass artists. Or a good mix of "up-scale" crafts (stained glass, blown glass, paintings, sculpture, pottery, etc.) is wonderful. It puts all the pretty, shiney stuff together for more of = a visual impact. The customer sees lots of light and color and shine, and assumes this is the "up-scale" craft aisle. You get a more qualified= prospect this way. Just my $.02 worth. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 07:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 09:08:48 -0400 Message-ID: <199810071312.JAA21211@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? >(Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I >wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. > >Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover >or Hi Sheen? > I use hot water with a few drops of CJ's in it. Works fine. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 07:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.5408.0> Precedence: bulk I use clean water and dishwashing liquid (Joy, Sunshine), together with a Scotch brand green scrubby pad. Works wonders at re- moving flux. It would work even better if the water was hot, but I don't= have hot water at my shop. However, I don't use the Scotch green scrubby pad on patina'ed solder lines. Just the water & dishwashing liquid on a sponge. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 08:15:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-glass and more stuff Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:06:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.568.0> References: <<1998Oct6.192929.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Pat Kelly wrote: > Isn't it a shame that the only time some people post is with a complaint. > They don't send bios, they don't ask question, seldom if ever do they > contribute ..... just complain. Oh well .... if the shoe fits ... wear it. > In my case the TuTu fits and I do wear it. > In all of the excitement of Elisabeth coming over perhaps the conversation > did get off center. So What? > > Without the personalities on this list seeping through, this list would be > as wonderful as a textbook. > > Bring on the Flames. But do it private, some people can't find the delete > button. I will personally answer each and every one with a very catchy two > word phrase. > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass The conversations did go to different places other than glass, I don't see a problem. What I saw was personalities coming through, something that is hard to see in a plain e mail post that tells you nothing about a person. W/C having Elisabeth coming over here is still the main thread, and I personally would like to meet her; for her glass knowledge and for her good natured way out sense of humor, which is lacking in a lot of people lately. Whispy blue tutu or blue waterglass tutu, maybe you all should get together and decide on the bungi costume so Elisabeth will know who you are. There is, as someone mentioned, a delete button. I use it many times, it is very handy if the particular thread you want is missing. Carol T "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for thou art crispy and good with capsup." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 08:20:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:07:37 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.14737.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-06 21:10:43 EDT, you write: << Feel free to add some glass discussion any time! Why leave it up to the rest of us to carry the burden of the conversation? Dani Greer >> Thanks for the invitation. Sorry you feel "burdened" to carry the conversation. I came to this list to learn about stained glass, as I am fairly new to this. I am not a flamer, lurker, complainer or any of those other conclusions some of you seemed to have drawn. I am really quite a nice person, who's passion in life happens to be stained glass. I haven't asked many questions because in the past the few times I did I was coldly referred to the archives, or told that the issue had already been discussed. The exception to this was Mike S who has always been quite helpful. I have responded to questions that I could answer (ie pattern searches) when I could, but would not presume to give advice at this particular stage in my learning. I am not a lurker, but a learner. By nature I have always been quiet and shy and even in "real life" do not intrude myself into other's lives and would not dare to do so here as it appears quite evident that anyone who disagrees with the mainstream here is soundly slapped down! As someone who is relatively new here, I have to say that I was rather offended at the repeated reference to another new person who had asked a question as "the newbie". That "newbie" has a name and I'm sure would have appreciated being referred to by that name. It is just this kind of insensitivity that has kept me quiet for so long. And Patrick........ <> ....If you'll recall, I was not the person who complained about the excessive bantering. I was merely agreeing with Charlie's statement, as I also agreed with a subsequent statement in praise of Mike Savad. I don't see anyone jumping on Charlie's case, and do I believe I am entitled to an opinion. As for a bio...I didn't know it was a prerequisite for taking part here. A few days ago Elizabeth herself wrote an eloquent post about defending her own privacy. I am an intensely private person who only reveals herself in an environment in which I feel comfortable. So far that has not been my experience here, so a bio will not be forthcoming in the near future. I am all for people getting to know each other, but when the talk among a few insiders becomes the main focus and excludes the 600 or so others who subscribe here I don't see that as helpful. Perhaps you could start a private e-mail loop for that purpose. Suzanne I am so glad you have been welcomed so warmly here. It has not happened to all of us. I am unable to travel to the glass expos so unfortunately will not have the pleasure of meeting any of you in person. I know there are lots of nice people in this group. Unfortunately this medium is not the best for total communication. The lack of voice inflection, body language & facial expression leave a lot to be desired in the process of getting acquainted. In short I know that if you knew me in person, not one of you would have jumped on me as you did for merely expressing an opinion. Please remember, some of us are not comfortable going into a room full of people we don't know, even via e-mail. Sincerely, Glass lover ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 09:15:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Suzanne , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Alternatives was: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.65225.0> References: <<1998Oct6.191340.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I know we all have different issues about the cost of Net connectivity, but FWIW, there are a couple of choices other than an ML to connect with people you've met on the Net. I'm not encouraging people to run up massive phone bills, but there are ways to expand connections started on the InterNet. I have both ICQ and AOL Instant Messenger. These are FREE software packages that allow instant communication with people who also have the software. I personally like ICQ better than AOL IM, as it comes with a 'chat' option that will support more than 2 people, where AOL only does that in the Win98 or NT version AFAIK. But there are people (my brother and my son) who use IM, so I have both. They both work 'real time', as in 'NOW'. No lag waiting for mail servers, etc. I have people from Bungi, and an iguana ML on my 'buddy lists', and conversations often vary from glass or iguana husbandry, to family background or even POLITICS. You can look for me on IM by adding me by email address shyguy@vdot.net, or asking for authorization from 3495155 on ICQ. Both allow you to block people you don't want to know, and you can set up ICQ to not allow people to add you to their contact list without your authorization. The company that invented ICQ (Miribilis), recently sold ICQ to AOL, so who knows which product will survive. You can run them both, at the same time, and have a mind boggling number ofg conversation going at the same time (I had 3 going at once last night). Try it, you'll like it. I don't work for, nor am connected with AOL or Miribilis, other than being a user. > You know if you (Elisabeth) arent respected here, I certainly dont > expect to be...but here are my 2 cents anyway. The delete button is > easy to push. > Elisabeth, Dani and several others have done *more* to make *me* feel > welcome and comfortable here by being a person *first* and a stained > glassier (?) second or even 5th. Maybe that doesnt matter to you (the > *I only want glass talk* people), but that is what this list seems to > have been started as...a way for people who love to work with glass to > communicate with each other. I have yet to see any rules, that *every* > post has to contain a certain amount of text book information. If that > was all it was meant for, we could all just go buy more books. As much > as I love books, people are much more valuable. If there are such > rules, maybe someone who has been with this list longer than I could > refer me to them? > > Suzanne, still from Tulsa, and still new to the list. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 09:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199810071459.HAA14089@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk It may sound strange, but I use plain old baby oil as a cutter lubricant. I DO NOT fill my cutter's resevoir with it. I have a small flat container that I line with a couple layers of a solar fleece (the stuff jackets are made of) and put a little oil on the fleece. The fleece doesn't shed bits of fibre to clog up my cutter head but it does pick up all the little specks of glass and keeps the cutter wheel and head nice and clean as well as padding the bottom of the container. I change the fleece periodically when it gets too full of glass and add fresh oil at that time. I've only been doing this about three years, but so far no have problems with this method. The baby oil does not get sticky after sitting out in the air and as a bonus, it smells nice and is very inexpensive. Shiela > Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use > kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > > Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than > cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > > (The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass > retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He > charged > me like 7 bucks for it.) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 09:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:52:28 +0000 Message-ID: <199810071459.PAA08889@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Interesting question! The old, wizened men at the London studio where I learnt, used to keep a jar of turps on the cutting benches into which they swizzled their cutters. When the oilcutters made their debut, the old boys just filled them up with turps too, but still dunked the cutters into the jam-jars. These days in UK we are more likely to obtain a turps substitute called "white spirit". I have used that for all my stained-glass working life. Works fine with me. Never seen the need for miniscule, fancy bottles labelled "cutting oil" Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK JJ Kirby wrote: > Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use > kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > > Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than > cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > > (The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass > retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He > charged > me like 7 bucks for it.) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 09:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's sky city Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.64153.0> References: <<1998Oct7.34250.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Mike, > > For us novices, how about a short blurb about how one goes about designing > 3-d like your dome? Do you make a solid form and draw on it? Do you just > cut and fit (paper- glass)? It looks like the edges of your glass overlap. > Just how did you come about doing this? > > Thanks for sharing. You are truly innovative. > > Linda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass nothing overlaps. for the little dome i used a small Dylite (like a hard styrofoam), candle holder. got it at a craft store. covered it in tape (to cover the candle hole). and carefully divided it up as evently as i could. then i used an oval template set for the shapes (mainly the white parts). after that i transfered the main shapes to tracing paper. the bottom row did'nt come out well. the pieces were smaller then i wanted, and there were some big gaps. but i knew after soldering and patinaing, you would hardly notice it. when i set up this on my page i'll probably re-explain maybe in more detail. oh BTW i found that OOPS (latex paint remover), also removes tacky wax pretty well. i used an old tooth brush, then used a degreaser and soap to remove the OOPS. i forget if this was one of the tips mentioned here or not. but it worked for me... that tacky wax is a pain to work with. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:00:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.63014.0> References: <<1998Oct7.62433.0>> Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > > Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? > (Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I > wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. > > Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover > or Hi Sheen? > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i never cared much for flux removers, the remover is hard to remove, and the patina does'nt come out well. plain old joy, water, and baking soda. the soap can really be any kind as long as it does'nt have any of those built in hand softners or lotions. otherwise your defeating the purpose of clean glass. denatured alcohol works really well. i have it in a squeeze bottle. squeeze it on and wipe off. i use this technique after the soap for jax patina. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.71148.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63343.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I was taught (boy, I feel like a walking advertisement for craft instructors) to mix 8 parts kerosene to 1 part light machine oil (3in1,Marvel,sewing machine oil etc.). Kero is a US dollar something a gallon. Shake well, don't add olives, don't drink any. Store in an airtight container somewhere safe (as with any other flammable substance). I made a gallon a few years ago, and still have plenty left. I have both resivior and non-res. cutters. I keep both in a jar with a paper towel in the bottom of the jar, and 1/2 inch of oil. The towel keeps the cutter from getting dinged if you drop it in the jar, and the wheel/axle stays lubed whether the cutter has a resivoir or not. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips & A New Question Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.63452.0> References: <<1998Oct7.11431.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > I use CJ's and lather up with a soft nail brush to get into all the corners > and crevices. After applying patina, I apply a coating of glass polish, let > it dry completely, and then buff with a clean cloth. > > I bought a shoe polishing set at a garage sale recently and tried to use it to > do the final polishing. For some reason, the polisher placed a black residue > in the crevices of the glass and made the piece look dirty. The black residue > wasn't patina because that piece was left silver. Does anyone know what the > black was? And how I can get it off before polishing? > > I originally thought the pad had shoe polish on it, but I used a new one and > the same thing happened. I'd really like to use the polisher because it does > a great job, but need to know how to get rid of the black stuff first. > > TIA > Brenda Marhon > In a message dated 10/7/98 2:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JJKIRBY@aol.com > writes: > > << Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? > (Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I > wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. > > Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover > or Hi Sheen? >> > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it could be an oxide, usually a cloth flexes and the black is'nt transfered. the polisher keeps going over the same place constantly. i found a dremel with a good quality brush wheel (the flat type), works real well to shine things up. though i mainly use it to remove the white left behind from the wax. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:41:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.6910.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, The best stuff I've found is Kwik-Clean. It comes in a spray top plastic bottle. Just spray it on, rub it and polish clean with an old towel. They claim that it prevents white mold from forming on solder for 2 years. I've been using it for about a year, and sold a lot of it. So far, no problems. Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:55 AM Subject: Glass cleaning tips > >Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? >(Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I >wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. > >Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover >or Hi Sheen? > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: sky city Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:17:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.151720.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/6/98 5:09:51 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: >ok the first part of sky city is done. it's a minor part, but at least >one part is done. this is the top most dome (the roof i guess). i think >it has about 60 or so pieces. all i have left is about 2400 (for the >shade, not the base)... Egad! Can't wait to see this metropolis done! What next, the Kremlin? (which would be a piece of cake by comparison......) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 10:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: bantering and the stained-glass tutu Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:17:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.151712.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/7/98 4:14:01 AM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: >It may appear "non" s.g. related. In the long term it just is not. > > [...] To make "Newbies" aware of that a few old seasoned "Pros" are not >beyond or below being "silly", is no bad thing. [...] > >There is a certain kind of "pompousity" that has NO space or room in >the way way I function or want to teach stained glass [...] > >Hey Charles, [...] I will challenge YOU to design a stained glass do-able >"tu-tu". What have you got to lose?? [...] I will execute your design >(IF do-able) and bring it with me to USA. I'm with you, Elisabeth! I'd also like to add that the "sillies" often give rise to some of the most creative ideas, when we bust out of our technical boxes, do the end-run around the left brain and allow the right brain to run free. As for the stained-glass tutu, I'd be most interested to see how you'd do it. A mutual friend of Christie's and mine had a dream about a stained-glass dress for a dance-theater performance, and asked seriously about having one made. We tossed around a couple of ideas (don't remember offhand what they were) re constructing such a costume to be wearable in performance. Now *that's* a technical challenge! and an entirely real one for a couple of us out here, after all! Get to work, Charles! :-) We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. I'm heading back into my cave to try desperately to finish a couple dozen candle chimneys for delivery tomorrow....... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:02:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: shipping Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:17:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.151719.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/7/98 2:07:22 AM, caroline@bdos.com wrote: >Over the past 6 months I have ordered a number of panels [...] There has >been tremendous variation in packaging. Some have arrived ok, others were >cracked. > >What is the best way to package the panel? Who is the best carrier? Does >the shipping distance matter? Most package carriers these days are using the "hub and spoke" distribution system pioneered by FedEx. Essentially everything goes to a central facility and fans out from there, so it all goes the long way around - the shortest distance from New York to Chicago is by way of Atlanta, or St. Louis, or whatever. It's all mechanically sorted. As the guy at my local "Mail Boxes Etc." explained: "Forget 'this end up.' Every single package is going to go down at least a mile of conveyor belt, conveyor belts can't read, and it's going to fall over at least once." The bottom line is, you can't be too paranoid about packing. Sparks (former shipping/receiving "warehouse grunt" AKA Paranoid Professional Postoffice-Proofer) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass dress Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.75848.0> Precedence: bulk All this chat about Patrick's blue glass tutu reminded me of a commission I actually did agree to do (one of these days in my spare 30 minutes during the summer). There is a friend of mine who is a professional artist's model (i.e. she poses in the nude for fine art classes & a few high-quality professional artists). She also is a great soprano, sings professionally, and has a great love of doing performance art. She told me last May that she had a dream in which she was at Penn's Landing (a public park in Philadelphia) doing/singing some avant guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make her a stained glass dress. In fact, we've had some brainstorming sessions about how to accomplish this technically. She's got the body...I've got the glass! I think this will be very fun to do. Maybe I can modify it for tutus as well. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass cleaning tips Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.75845.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com >does the scrubbie scratch anything, like either the solder lines or irradescient coatings? i use a large fingernail brush and scrub with flux remover, and then use 0000 steel wool immediately before patina'ing.< The scrubbie will not scratch solder lines or iridescent coatings. However, it will scratch off patina. So I switch to the sponge after patina'ing. Since I patina immediately after washing off the flux with the scrubbie, I don't have to do the 0000 steel wool step. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.63838.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? I am looking for an e-mail, website, or snailmail address. Thanks. Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Craft Fairs Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.72623.0> References: <<1998Oct7.5400.0>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk I agree with Christie. It's much better to stay away from the low end craft type shows altogether. Even though you might clearly be the best and brightest, I don't think you'll command the price you should or get the respect you deserve when surrounded by schlock. Plus, people don't like to pay top dollar in a place where they see cheap stuff. You're much better off being surrounded by high end quality crafts. . .at the very least, trading is much more fun in these circles! Just my opinion! Nadine "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > > Message text written by INTERNET:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com > >> crows on a stick" type of "craft" which makes stained glass work > > look absolutely terrible when they are exhibited side by side. > > This may seem really dumb to you, but having never done a craft show > myself...would you mind explaining why? I would have thought that > being next to crows on sticks would make the > glass look that much better! Shows how much I know.< > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Glasbug@aol.com Subject: No offense intended, Glasbug Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:53:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199810071958.PAA06130@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > new to this. I am not a flamer, lurker, complainer or any of those other > conclusions some of you seemed to have drawn. I am really quite a nice > person, who's passion in life happens to be stained glass. You're quite right, glasbug, about the difficulty of coming across as "intended" when reduced to mere words on a screen. I hope you don't take offense at the testiness of a few and thus deprive yourself of the pleasure of the many on bungi.com who are friendly, warm and welcoming. I'll admit, though, that even the latter get testy at times, human beings that they are. (smile) > I haven't asked > many questions because in the past the few times I did I was coldly referred > to the archives, or told that the issue had already been discussed. > I am not a lurker, but a learner. That's an excellent attitude, one I share with you and one that's shared by most everyone on bungi.com ... in any crowd of 600+ people (what a cocktail party *that would make!) there are bound to be a few cads and heels and [insert appelation of choice], so I hope you stick with us. Yes, it is tempting to point "newbies" (we were all newbies not so long ago; heck, I remember asking a friend in California, clear across the country, how to log on to Compuserve and now I'm on the box all day long) to the archives (sorry about the digression) and it is true that many of us longer-timers have heard and answered the same question(s) often. But it's also true that the archives have been difficult to use, a problem I'm in the middle of rectifying, putting each message into its own little web page and making them searchable. In future, our tired direction to "look it up" will be easier to respond to. Please forgive any of us who've seemed less than the actually quite nice people we really are, especially me. > As for a bio...I didn't know it was a prerequisite for taking part here. It isn't. But everyone gets invited to do so. See the cocktail party analogy above: all that's happening is someone's (everyone?) saying, "Hi, what's your name?" and waiting expectantly with a smile to hear how you got involved with glass and then to share their story with you. If you feel uncomfortable with that, it's not a problem and you shouldn't feel put off by our pushy interest in everyone else who works with glass. We all love glass, work with glass in one form or another and delight in having our own affection for it affirmed in others' shared obsession with it. > I am all for people getting to know each other, but when the talk > among a few insiders becomes the main focus and excludes the 600 or so others > who subscribe here I don't see that as helpful. Perhaps you could start a > private e-mail loop for that purpose. Yes, there is that. It's difficult striking a balance. All glass and no personalities would be too dull. A textbook, someone suggested earlier today. All personalities and hardly any glass isn't what's wanted either. The corner pub on Saturday night that would be. Personally, I wouldn't find that at all enjoyable and the same would go for such an ambiance on bungi. We really do try to strike a balance, though, harking each other back to the track (or the "thread," to use online jargon). We forgive each other the other's digressions and move on. > nice people in this group. Unfortunately this medium is not the best for > total communication. The lack of voice inflection, body language & facial > expression leave a lot to be desired in the process of getting acquainted. Quite right. I carefully re-read each message before I send it to see if I can detect anything that might be misread or misunderstood. I'm not always successful, but I try and I know others here do, too. I don't run bungi, Glenna does. I contribute a bit to the conversation when I feel I can. I do other glass things, too. But mostly I share the obsession for glass that most others here do and hope you'll stick around, get to know us and, when you're ready, let us get to know you, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 11:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Glasbug@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.6408.0> References: <<1998Oct7.14737.0>> Precedence: bulk > Suzanne I am so glad you have been welcomed so warmly here. It has >nothappened to all of us. >I am unable to travel to the glass expos so unfortunately will not have >the pleasure of meeting any of you in person. I know there are lots of >nice people in this group. Unfortunately this medium is not the best >for total communication. The lack of voice inflection, body language & >facial >expression leave a lot to be desired in the process of getting >acquainted. Glass lover, I am sorry to hear that your experience with Bungi has been less than comfortable for you. I do understand what you mean especially about the lack of hearing a persons voice, lack of seeing body language and facial expression. It is very easy to be offended or just plain insulted in email and new groups. Early in my internet experience I was very offended by a very rude man in a breastfeeding newsgroup for asking a question. He asked if I didnt have a dictionary. I was insulted as I consider myself to be adequately educated, and of course I own a dictionary or 5 for that matter. However, I was also moving and all my books were packed. And what was the harm in asking a simple question. I never went back into that newsgroup. And how dare *he* flame a breastfeeding mother in a breastfeeding newsgroup for asking a question! Still makes me mad over something silly. Simple statements made to a person can hurt thier feelings. I am sorry if yours have been hurt here. What I was responding to was the original post that offended me as it seemed to be asking people not to be personal or to share a part of themselves, seemed to be directed towards Elisabeth. Now I know that she is quite capable of taking care of herself, but I tend to *stick up* for people I like. Being new here, I thought perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut. But that is just too difficult for me. I think everyones opinion here should count. When you referred to the *newbie* not being called by his/her name. I believe it was because that person had not given their name, but signed *themselves* newbie. I did notice a post earlier mentioning calling the person by name, but no name was ever offered. Anyway, I dont really think *anyone* has meant any offense. My only real thought on all this is that *I* do like to get to know people and the only way I can is if they show themselves in some way. Just as I delete messages about glass that do not interest me, or that I cannot relate to at this stage of my glassworking abilities, others are free to delete anything that is a of a personal nature they are not interested in. Hope you stay with the list and feel more comfortable. Suzanne Tulsa (who may very well be the *old* Suzanne) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 12:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199810071655.JAA24812@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Glass lover As I read your post this morning, my heart went out to you. I completely agree that email leaves emotional and physical nuances of communication right out of it (and isn't that something like 87% of communication), so in fact none of us have any way of knowing that it is a huge risk for you to even post a written message. Given this, I'm imagining that you must truly be upset and hurt to have been so open in this post, and I thank you for sharing your feelings. I hope you acknowedge you have taken a huge risk here. I think perhaps Dani was using the word "burden" tongue in cheek...she's actually quite a wonderful woman, and I think it was her way of inviting more folk to participate. For you, it obviously backfired. Perhaps you are reading more into people's responses than anyone intended...a suggestion to peruse the archives may be someone's attempt to be helpful when they themselves are pressed for time. I know I've made that archive suggestion (perhaps even to you) when I've understood someone's need for information but had a commission due the next day and a show the following weekend. In short, I was already working 18 hours a day, and that was the best way I could connect someone up with the information they were needing. This may not have been what you wanted...you may have wanted something explained to you first hand. I know sometimes I've asked people for info face to face and they've suggested I go look at a web site. What I really wanted was that person to teach me...the reality of life in the 90s for many of us is that we just don't have that kind of time any more...the pace of life is just too fast and people are too busy. We need to take some responsibility for our own learning, and follow up on the suggestions given. And again, you may have unknowingly asked a question that was discussed to death on the group maybe just a month before and there's just no energy to talk about it again so soon, so rather than not answer your post, a referral to the archives was made...an attempt to support your request for information, not to reject your request (and by your inference, a personal rejection). In this case the archives would help you get acquainted with the group and learn lots in the process too. They'll also be getting easier to use as Albert gets them indexed and searchable. And with the term newbie...again I may also be guilty of using the term. I may remember the context of a question or problem, but not who said it...it could be several days and 50-100 posts later and I don't even still have the post to refer back to for a name. New folk are indeed at a bit of a disadvantage until we get a sense of their personality and can connect that with their posts, requests for info, email addresses, etc. So my advice would be to stay tuned, jump in and make yourself known...as far as I know, no one is out to hurt/offend/reject you or "slap you down". I think it's just someone disagreeing with your opinion, which provides the opportunity for some rebutal and an interesting debate and exchange of opinions and views in which we can all learn something. >Suzanne I am so glad you have been welcomed so warmly here. It has not >happened to all of us. This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I think that happened because (Tulsa) Suzanne immediately revealed something about who she was, where she lived, etc. I know I've begun an offline communication with her based on some of the things she's revealed about herself online. I don't recognize your name in fact I don't even know your name, so when it comes up I have no experience of you to put with the post...who you are as a person isn't there for me. So I think that by doing that which frightens you most...revealing something about yourself...would provide the most rewards...new friends on bungi. Please read the entire following paragraph before reacting...Right now my experience of you is largely negative as a result of this post, although I do recognize and applaud your courage to speak up...HOWEVER...I used to have some of the same fears a few years ago. So it is with great compassion that I urge you to step out and take a risk. Let us see you. I'd like to have a different experience of you. I hope this post is somewhat reassuring. It may not be what you wanted to hear, however it's just my opinion...worth 2 cents...or less...its a Canadian 2 cents. Please take it as information, not a definition of who you are. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 12:10:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.65752.0> Precedence: bulk Please ignore my previous request for info pertaining to Glass Patterns Quarterly. I found them @: http://www.glasspatterns.com/ which I obtained from Mike's Stained Glass website: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/links3.htm Thanks. Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 12:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.7220.0> Precedence: bulk These days in UK we are more likely to obtain a turps >substitute called "white spirit". I have used that for all my >stained-glass working life. >Works fine with me. Never seen the need for miniscule, fancy bottles >labelled "cutting oil" >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Would this translate to "Mineral Spirits" in US English? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 12:37:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="3-d" Subject: 3-d pattern design question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:15:41 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk hi all. mike's lamp discussion brought up an idea that i had, but i have a design question about it. i'm going to attempt to make a 3-d car (corvette) for a vette-nut. how would i go about designing a pattern for one? given the multiple compound curves, i don't know how this is going to work out, and how small the pieces have to be to show the car's curves adequately. my first thought was to buy a plastic model, put the shell of it together, coat with tacky wax, and cut and shape each small piece seperately. another is to get a block of styrofoam, shape it with a hot knife, and do the same. i could melt out or otherwise destroy the mold, however, i belong to a vette club where these would be hot sellers and don't want to make a new mold for each car. i could carve a wooden plug, but that would be very hard to build to come out in pieces so the mold would be reusable. any other ideas? regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 12:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Oil Evaporates: Was:Lubricants Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.10653.0> Precedence: bulk I have the Fletcher Pistol Grip cutter and the cutter oil fill area is a hole in the handle. There is no closure to this hole. You eye drop cutter oil in to saturate the wick that feeds the cutter wheel. My problem is that I can saturate the wick, leave the thing overnight and the next day all the oil is dried up and I have to saturate again. Is this normal with the rest of you? I think the oil, if that's what it is, is water soluable (shop owner blend). Would kerosene evaporate too? Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 13:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: <19981007181543.IKIR1913@vic> Precedence: bulk Kerosene has been used by contractors, stone cutters, masons and building trades people to keep tools clean and sharp for a longer time. Glaziers use it also. On a couple of occasions I had the opportunity to visit stained glass suppliers that sell cutting oil to us. Guess what they use? If you use it, remember what you're dealing with! Kerosene is aviation fuel! It's highly volatile and the fumes do not mix well with open flames or great heat generators like cigarettes, electric heaters and/or kilns. I keep mine in an empty coffee can lined with a layer of cloth on the bottom to keep from damaging the cutting wheel. I keep the can covered with its own plastic lid when not in use. Any excess supply is kept outside my home (where my hobby studio is) in a steel locker along with other fuel used in other equipment for around the property. Ciao Vic ---------- > From: JJKIRBY@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Glass Cutter Lubricants > Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:33 AM > > > Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use > kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > > Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than > cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > > (The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass > retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He > charged > me like 7 bucks for it.) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 14:29:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.104955.0> References: <<1998Oct7.75848.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Two things come to mind - one design could be a rigid form for the torso and skirt, i.e. the two piece armor from medieval times, or a more modern design, ala the 'American Express card' dress worn to the Academy Awards by the woman who designed the costumes for 'Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' - which was a slew of credit cards held together by wire loops. Could be a fun project to include decorative soldering, splumping and painting. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 14:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.84056.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: glass patterns quarterly >Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? > >I am looking for an e-mail, website, or snailmail address. > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- Glass Patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Road P.O. Box 69 Westport, KY 40077 Phone: 502-222-5631 Fax: 502-222-4527 e-mail: gpq@ilou.com web site: www.glasspatterns.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 14:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.10572.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63838.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Just so happens I stumbled accross the Fall 98 issue while roaming around at lunch hour. Try this: Glass Patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Rd. PO Box 69 Westport, KY 40077 email gpqmag@aol.com url : http://www.glasspatterns.com/ -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 17:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.84056.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: glass patterns quarterly >Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? > >I am looking for an e-mail, website, or snailmail address. > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- Glass Patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Road P.O. Box 69 Westport, KY 40077 Phone: 502-222-5631 Fax: 502-222-4527 e-mail: gpq@ilou.com web site: www.glasspatterns.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 18:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.10572.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63838.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Just so happens I stumbled accross the Fall 98 issue while roaming around at lunch hour. Try this: Glass Patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Rd. PO Box 69 Westport, KY 40077 email gpqmag@aol.com url : http://www.glasspatterns.com/ -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 18:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:BMarhon@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips & A New Question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:02:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.11246.0> Precedence: bulk Brenda- A horsehair brush should be = turning your lead black... that's the whole idea.... to darken and polish the lead. I'm not sure why it would leave any residue on the glass, though unless it did have old shoe polish on it. Sounds a bit odd to me. Maybe you could tell us exactly what you're doing every step of the way and what you're using. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 18:31:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Glasbug@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.11238.0> Precedence: bulk Dear friends, Time for a bungi break. I'll = talk to my pals off-group as requested and see what it's like to be a lurker after two = years of contributing. Have a great holiday(s) and be back maybe sometime in 1999. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 7 22:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Glasbug@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.11238.0> Precedence: bulk Dear friends, Time for a bungi break. I'll = talk to my pals off-group as requested and see what it's like to be a lurker after two = years of contributing. Have a great holiday(s) and be back maybe sometime in 1999. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 02:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Glasbug@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.11238.0> Precedence: bulk Dear friends, Time for a bungi break. I'll = talk to my pals off-group as requested and see what it's like to be a lurker after two = years of contributing. Have a great holiday(s) and be back maybe sometime in 1999. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!madglass From: Mary Ann Dulemba To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981007151010.006d1ee0@pop.usaor.net> References: <<1998Oct7.63838.0>> Precedence: bulk At 11:38 AM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? http://www.glasspatterns.com Glass patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Road P.O. Box 69 Westport, KY 40077 (502) 222-5631 email: gpq@iglou.com hope this helps! Mary Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:45:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct7.19457.0> Precedence: bulk Hey guys, Personally love the bantering, however not sure if I want to see pics of what I now envision. A naked woman with a lovely accent and a soldering iron in her hand and a hairy man with an interesting dialect and a blue short tutu surrounded by a large group of people in longer tutus in every pastel shade imaginable. Ok, now on to my serious question, I had the worst time imaginable getting a patio stone out of the mold. I thought I did everything correctly, used Vaseline, followed the dimoncrete directions on mixing and time in the mold. It was the 8" round commercial black mold and would not release no matter what I did. I was at a point past desperate, I tried to use a knife and a putty knife around the edge the way you get a cake out of the pan, no luck. In my final act of desperation I took the knife and cut the mold. Once I "cracked" the mold it came out. (In spite of my efforts, it was beautiful.) How important is a clean mold? My friend had borrowed it and returned it dirty, I assumed adding more Vaseline instead of washing it was adequate. How do you clean your molds? Can a suction form between the contact paper and the Vaseline? I'm ready to make another stone but don't want to go through that again. I'm working on my bio, expect it in a week or two. (#69 please Patrick) Thanks, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:26:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.124631.0> Precedence: bulk Here you go...Glass Patterns Quarterly 8300 Hidden Valley Road P.O. Box 69 Westport KY 40077 Phone 502-222-5631 FAX 502-222-4527 e-mail gpqmag@aol.com Hope it helps Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:40 PM Subject: glass patterns quarterly >Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? > >I am looking for an e-mail, website, or snailmail address. > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:47:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:58:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.125258.0> Precedence: bulk OOPS TOO LATE Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:33 PM Subject: RE: Glass Patterns Quarterly >Please ignore my previous request for info pertaining to Glass Patterns >Quarterly. > >I found them @: >http://www.glasspatterns.com/ > >which I obtained from Mike's Stained Glass website: >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/links3.htm > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:55:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sky city Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.134826.0> References: <<1998Oct7.151720.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/6/98 5:09:51 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > >ok the first part of sky city is done. it's a minor part, but at least > >one part is done. this is the top most dome (the roof i guess). i think > >it has about 60 or so pieces. all i have left is about 2400 (for the > >shade, not the base)... > > Egad! Can't wait to see this metropolis done! What next, the Kremlin? (which > would be a piece of cake by comparison......) > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i actually thought of buildng a kremlin. but i could'nt fins enough pictures of all the sides. i also thought of building indepence hall (complete building). but i don't have the space for it... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 03:58:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.13535.0> References: <<1998Oct7.75848.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > > All this chat about Patrick's blue glass tutu reminded me > of a commission I actually did agree to do (one of these > days in my spare 30 minutes during the summer). There > is a friend of mine who is a professional artist's model > (i.e. she poses in the nude for fine art classes & a few > high-quality professional artists). She also is a great > soprano, sings professionally, and has a great love of > doing performance art. She told me last May that she > had a dream in which she was at Penn's Landing (a > public park in Philadelphia) doing/singing some avant > guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained > glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make > her a stained glass dress. In fact, we've had some > brainstorming sessions about how to accomplish this > technically. She's got the body...I've got the glass! > I think this will be very fun to do. Maybe I can modify > it for tutus as well. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's funny you should mention a glass dress. last year some guy from zimbabwe africa, want to know how he could build a glass dress. he was a fashion designer, who knew nothing of stained glass. he wanted to see it lit. i told him it would probably be too heavy. and the reinforcement would be mighty intresting. a thin glass might have worked, and the glass joints would need to be heavily hinged. i also told him that that the glass hat would probably be more doable. never heard from him again, i wonder if he was able to do it.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:54:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Gleason Sackman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.135344.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63838.0>> Precedence: bulk Gleason Sackman wrote: > > Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? > > I am looking for an e-mail, website, or snailmail address. > > Thanks. > > > Fargo, ND > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i should have it on one of the first 3 links pages... http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.145417.0> References: <<1998Oct7.75848.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > She told me last May that she > had a dream in which she was at Penn's Landing (a > public park in Philadelphia) doing/singing some avant > guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained > glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make > her a stained glass dress. In fact, we've had some > brainstorming sessions about how to accomplish this > technically. She's got the body...I've got the glass! > I think this will be very fun to do. Maybe I can modify > it for tutus as well. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 Wasn't there a woman a couple of years ago who wore a dress to an awards show that was made completely out of American Express cards? They had little linking loops between the cards. I suppose that could be the basis for an idea...but I wouldn't sit in one made of glass! Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oil Evaporates: Was:Lubricants Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:33:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.143323.0> References: <<1998Oct7.10653.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I have the Fletcher Pistol Grip cutter and the cutter oil fill area is a > hole in the handle. There is no closure to this hole. You eye drop cutter > oil in to saturate the wick that feeds the cutter wheel. My problem is that > I can saturate the wick, leave the thing overnight and the next day all the > oil is dried up and I have to saturate again. Is this normal with the rest > of you? I think the oil, if that's what it is, is water soluable (shop > owner blend). Would kerosene evaporate too? > > Linda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i found that the pistol grip tends to leak oil. in about a weeks' time it emptied completly. i think their designed to leak. it's a conspiracy i say... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3-d pattern design question Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.14141.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com wrote: > > hi all. > > mike's lamp discussion brought up an idea that i had, but i have a design > question about it. > > i'm going to attempt to make a 3-d car (corvette) for a vette-nut. how would i > go about designing a pattern for one? given the multiple compound curves, i > don't know how this is going to work out, and how small the pieces have to be > to show the car's curves adequately. > > my first thought was to buy a plastic model, put the shell of it together, > coat with tacky wax, and cut and shape each small piece seperately. another is > to get a block of styrofoam, shape it with a hot knife, and do the same. i > could melt out or otherwise destroy the mold, however, i belong to a vette > club where these would be hot sellers and don't want to make a new mold for > each car. > > i could carve a wooden plug, but that would be very hard to build to come out > in pieces so the mold would be reusable. > > any other ideas? > > regards, > charlie > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can refer to my own cars for ideas. first off you have to decide a few things: 1. how big will it be? 2. how detailed? i've made simple cars. their boxes with angles. very simple. the next type would be a box with compound angles. and of course the last one would be heavy detail. i've always made a profile first, starting at the side, then moving to a top view. the pieces should be large, otherwise the solder lines will intrupt the flow of the pattern. the break ups will be the doors, trunk, etc. the curves will depend on how curvy the car is. if there is a possibilty of mass orders, you'll want a simple design (like my trucks). or if you think they'll pay over $500 make something as detailed as my antique car (the blue one). i would'nt bother with a mold, too much work, too much aligning. just use the basic box techniques and you should be fine. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:16:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:25:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.122540.0> References: <<1998Oct7.104955.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Yes Bob, but would it be wearable? Glass would be so heavy and how would you support the weight so that the tu tu would stick straight out. Would cheating be allowed? Why not use netting. Cut a design in it, and then melt that shrinky dink stuff into the opening(of the design)in the net. It would not be glass, but would look like it and would be wearable. Now if you insist on glass. Then how about a mosasis glued onto net. Would probably weight it down and be too droopy. But maybe some underwire could support it. I like the idea of making a purse out of a sow's ear. Can you tell? Good luck with your new project. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Acrylic Admix for stones Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:36:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.123644.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi all! A while back we discussed using admix to grout to aid in stability for specific projects, the project at the time was stepping stones. So while we are throwing around the stepping stone thread thought I would share this with you. The product I use is made by Custom Building Products. It is called acrylic mortar admix. I substitute water with admix and blend my grout. Now I use this on specific projects that require more stability, such as fountains. I have found that grout and water is fine but grout and admix is much better. It's more costly but you get a better outcome on certain projects in my opinion. Someone else here was using an admix and I can't remember who that was, I'm sorry, but will you speak up and let us know how you like using the admix too, just for another opinion. See all of you and hopefully this flu bug I've got will pass soon!! Hi Cindy hope your doing o.k.!! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How long does it take to make a project Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:50:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.125011.0> References: <<1998Oct7.151712.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Can this really be done? 24 candles in one day!!!??? I'm > heading back into my cave to try desperately to finish a couple dozen candle > chimneys for delivery tomorrow....... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:25:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.20570.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63343.0>> Precedence: bulk Glass cutter oil is used primarily as a lubricant for the cutter axel. As such any light oil will do. I find that Kerosene is irritating to my sinuses and no longer use it. I've been using the Inland water soluble cutter oil. It retails for under 3.00 per bottle and washes off easily with water so it doesn't interfere with the foil adhesive. You will have to wash it out of your cutter every few months though as it builds up inside around the wheel and axel area. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:33:43 EDT JJKIRBY@aol.com writes: > >Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use >kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > >Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive >than >cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > >(The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained >glass >retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. >He >charged >me like 7 bucks for it.) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:58:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.205827.0> References: <<1998Oct7.62433.0>> Precedence: bulk Are you using a liquid or a paste flux. The Pastes can be hard to clean off and are not worth all the trouble they cause. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:24:33 EDT JJKIRBY@aol.com writes: > >Does anyone have any really cool tips for cleaning flux off of glass? >(Usually my wife does this but she broke her arm... ) Currently I >wash with hot soapy water and then clean again with glass cleaner. > >Do the specially designed products work well? e.g. CJs Flux Remover >or Hi Sheen? > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What project did you have stay on the shelf the longest. Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:59:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct7.155951.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was packing up my suncatchers. I have a few I could not even give away. Strangest thing. Sail boats, I just can't get people to buy sail boats. How about you guys. Any like projects? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:30:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: putty questions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.84032.0> References: <<199810062119.OAA17337@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol, here are a few of my opinions on your questions. In message <199810062119.OAA17337@oceanus.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >Here's a couple of questions for the experienced lead came folk: > >Does homemade putty keep about the same length of time as the stuff in a >can? Just made my first homemade batch and have some over. I have it in a >sealed plastic container. Keeping time will depend on formulation, but if it is similar, it should keep just as well. Turpentine (at least I think that's what you call white spirit) added will help soften. Also if you put a covering of cling film directly over the surface of the cement solution, inside the container, it will help extend the life. > >Once a window's been puttied, is the hardening time affected by temperature. >Right now it's lying in my outdoor studio (15C) , but I need to transport it >Wednesday night. Would it harden more quickly if I brought it into the >house and lit a fire (20C)? I seem to remember hearing that the hardening >is more a chemical reaction than a drying action (or is that fibreglass?). I'd suggest that another (or several) treatements with whiting would harden the cement more quickly. Both by absorbing the oils and adding more whiting to the cement. > >Lastly, can I reuse the whiting I use in the final polish in my next batch >of putty? > Yes, I always do. I start with reclaimed (sieved) whiting. middle application of minimal amounts of new whiting. finish with more reclaimed whiting sieved over the panel and scrubbed in. >TIA > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: non-glass: bantering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:33:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199810080939.KAA15280@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Luckily Elisabeth is known for being able to "hold her own!" She is not totally insensitive - however...... Her passion about "guarding" her "newbies" is well recorded. She is also occasionally known for calling a spade a shovel.... She is also well documented as not favouring senseless, rip-off, mind-less "gizmos" very well. She is also well recorded for wishing to "challenge" the "THINK" cell-brains. Ask to be handed a kind of "cop-out" and Elisabeth will crash down on you like a ton of bricks!! Her occasional outpourings in the early hours of the mornings have now and then been described as "passionate". SHE refuses A N Y kind of passion "tag".... (GOT to keep up the image of "cool Swede"... don't you kow!!) Her tenderness and protectiveness about her "Newbie" stained glass "chicks" is well recorded.. Bursting of PRIDE when after 4-5 years someone graduates in a UK University as HER student.... (Edinburgh, Swansea, London!!!) WOW!!! I curl up and positively PURR! I apologize most profusely, ....if I don't suffer lazy fools gladly.... Oh Dear...... is this another "shovel"....??? Another early morning.... another "Duck and Hide"... I love "Newbies".... I hate "bull......" Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Susanne in TULSA: I am sorry to hear that your experience with Bungi has been less than > comfortable for you. I do understand what you mean especially about the > lack of hearing a persons voice, lack of seeing body language and facial > expression. It is very easy to be offended or just plain insulted in > email and new groups. Early in my internet experience I was very > offended by a very rude man in a breastfeeding newsgroup for asking a > question. He asked if I didnt have a dictionary. I was insulted as I > consider myself to be adequately educated, and of course I own a > dictionary or 5 for that matter. However, I was also moving and all my > books were packed. And what was the harm in asking a simple question. > I never went back into that newsgroup. And how dare *he* flame a > breastfeeding mother in a breastfeeding newsgroup for asking a question! > Still makes me mad over something silly. > > Simple statements made to a person can hurt thier feelings. I am sorry > if yours have been hurt here. > > What I was responding to was the original post that offended me as it > seemed to be asking people not to be personal or to share a part of > themselves, seemed to be directed towards Elisabeth. Now I know that > she is quite capable of taking care of herself, but I tend to *stick up* > for people I like. Being new here, I thought perhaps I should just keep > my mouth shut. But that is just too difficult for me. > > I think everyones opinion here should count. When you referred to the > *newbie* not being called by his/her name. I believe it was because > that person had not given their name, but signed *themselves* newbie. I > did notice a post earlier mentioning calling the person by name, but no > name was ever offered. > > Anyway, I dont really think *anyone* has meant any offense. My only > real thought on all this is that *I* do like to get to know people and > the only way I can is if they show themselves in some way. > > Just as I delete messages about glass that do not interest me, or that I > cannot relate to at this stage of my glassworking abilities, others are > free to delete anything that is a of a personal nature they are not > interested in. > > Hope you stay with the list and feel more comfortable. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 04:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: non-glass: bantering Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:57:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.25727.0> Precedence: bulk One of the things I like best about bungi is the fact that we meet online, form opinions about each other based on our use of the English language, what we have to say and how we say it. One line, one does not immediatley form opinions based on race, sex, geographic location, hair color, clothes (or lack thereof) or all those other things that take our attention away from the person inside. I like that. It gives everyone a fair chance. Just my 2 cents. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 05:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3-d pattern design question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:43:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081449.KAA26529@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > i'm going to attempt to make a 3-d car (corvette) for a vette-nut. > i would'nt bother with a mold, too much work, too much aligning. just > use the basic box techniques and you should be fine. On the other hand, one could carefully build a multi-part mold, slump pieces of glass into the parts, then build quite true-to-life glass cars. There might be a large market for them, considering the rabidness of car buffs. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 05:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass patterns quarterly Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:43:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081449.KAA26526@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone have an address for glass patterns quarterly? Just to remind everyone looking for just about anything, the online Sources Guide is updated almost daily. "Sources" means just what it says: the source guide for what you need. Go to http://www.igga.org/ and click on, what else? Sources Guide. It's yellow. It's on the left-hand side of the screen. Enjoy! Tell me if what you're looking for isn't there. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.igga.org/ Membership http://www.igga.org/benefits.htm Members' work http://igga.org/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 05:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: sky city Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:39:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.113951.0> Precedence: bulk >What about St. Basil's Cathedral? THAT would be interesting, but I'm >not sure I'm that ambitious. Mike? > >Shiela Yeah, that's the one I mean. Couldn't dig up the name of the church from the morning fog in my brain......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 05:47:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "intrastar list" , "Bungi List" Subject: RE: 5 Posts - GONE Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.42326.0> Precedence: bulk Finally have mail straightened out. My server said it could have been a single post that had a huge attachment that stopped at that message every time I received mail. I would get the first 11 postings over & over and then it would send a warning. The more I tried to download the mail the more copies I got of these 11 postings. I think it was caused by an update I downloaded from Microsoft's Windows Update web page called "Outlook Express -File Attachment- Security Update", that's when it all started. I spent half the day on the phone with several MS technicians, we tried different ways to over-ride this update. They guided me into the bowels of this machine and I reset the "registry" to a date previous to the day of the questionable download. This made NO improvement. I was looking at doing a total restore and losing all data. EEEECHS!!!! Later we printed some forms for the business, my husband played Tomb-raider for awhile. After everyone's in bed I was going to play the game also, but thought I check the mail (one last time) knowing that I'd have to get up awful early to start copying disks to save as much data as possible. I could hardly believe it, tons of posts, all new, only a couple of duplicates ( but hey, I'm not a complainer ). Thanks to all of you who posted about this. Shirley, we also had a storm the morning I did the MS update, kids lost power at school, but not at our house. And Nancy said she got 5 posts too once. And Bob what was that about some kind of attachment?......................... I think that was my message 12, the first one that came up when I got "new mail". > "sorry about the last post of mine (Netiquette). It has a >post, and an attachment, containing the original mail I >received. They've upgraded my machine @ work >(transparent upgrade!) and Netscape and other >software is now giving me a case of the sh*ts. But seriously folks, if this WAS caused by the Microsoft update, I would recommend that you steer clear of this one!! I should add that the technicians that helped me were extremely courteous and thoughtful, doing whatever they could to help me with this dilemma. IT FEELS GREAT TO BE BACK !! : - ) : - ) : - ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 05:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thank you Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:23:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.122316.0> Precedence: bulk To all those good people who responded to my previous post: Thank you so very much for all of the positive e-mails and posts on bungi with messages of support, understanding and compassion. You have restored my faith in the goodness of stained glass people everywhere. I was so amazed at the number of e-mails from people who feel exactly as I do, and it is very reassuring to know that I'm not alone in the bungi wilderness. I plan to answer each of you via e-mail as I am able. To those who offered me addresses of other glass chat groups I thank you and definitely plan to check those out, but I'd also like to hang in here with Bungi as well. I feel there is a wealth of talent and experience here and a lot of good people too! It was certainly not my intent to introduce myself on such a negative note, but...........(I won't rehash here)...... And now back to the more important subject at hand, and the reason we're all here...Stained Glass!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 06:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: <19981008123418.BITS12209@vic> Precedence: bulk Although I have not made even one stepping stone, I have had years of experience with marble, granite, concrete, mortar, and architectural stone work. There definitely can be a "suction" formed between the contact paper and the Vaseline. Concrete cures by evaporation or draining of the water used to mix it (this can go on for years as concrete gets wet and subsequently and continuously dries out). As the water evaporates, in the case of a stepping stone form, it tends to draw the smaller particulate upward and away from the bottom. This can create a vacuum and thereby a "suction" effect. It can also weaken the area closest to the glass as it draws the cement, which is the "mastic" in a concrete mix, toward the exposed area of the form. I don't think it should be necessary to destroy the entire form to release the stone, but a hole in the bottom of the form could help. Similar to punching another hole in a tomato juice can, to enable it to be poured more easily. Vaseline may not be the best lubricant to use either. A thin coating of motor oil will work. I would bet that Vaseline will leave evidence of itself in the finished stone if it is applied too thickly. Ciao Vic ---------- > From: CncptThnkr@aol.com > To: Glass@bungi.com > Subject: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question > Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:45 PM > > Hey guys, > > Personally love the bantering, however not sure if I want to see pics of what > I now envision. A naked woman with a lovely accent and a soldering iron in > her hand and a hairy man with an interesting dialect and a blue short tutu > surrounded by a large group of people in longer tutus in every pastel shade > imaginable. > > Ok, now on to my serious question, I had the worst time imaginable getting a > patio stone out of the mold. I thought I did everything correctly, used > Vaseline, followed the dimoncrete directions on mixing and time in the mold. > It was the 8" round commercial black mold and would not release no matter what > I did. I was at a point past desperate, I tried to use a knife and a putty > knife around the edge the way you get a cake out of the pan, no luck. In my > final act of desperation I took the knife and cut the mold. Once I "cracked" > the mold it came out. (In spite of my efforts, it was beautiful.) How > important is a clean mold? My friend had borrowed it and returned it dirty, I > assumed adding more Vaseline instead of washing it was adequate. How do you > clean your molds? Can a suction form between the contact paper and the > Vaseline? I'm ready to make another stone but don't want to go through that > again. > > I'm working on my bio, expect it in a week or two. (#69 please Patrick) > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 06:36:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "M. Savad" Subject: Re: Oil Evaporates: Was:Lubricants Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:50:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.45033.0> Precedence: bulk >i found that the pistol grip tends to leak oil. in about a >weeks' time it emptied completly. i think their designed >to leak. it's a conspiracy >i say... >---Mike Savad I was so disgusted with my first pistol grip leaking all over the glass (a cheapee) I bought a Fetcher and have had no problems with it. I use a reg glass cutting oil in it, costs about $3. My favorite cutter is the one that looks like a little sewing machine. Had developed a bad case of carpal tunnel from years of repetitious factory work. Had surgery which eliminated the pain but left me with a very weak grip. This cutter is great when working long hours (I'd bet all of you have pulled an all-nighter at least once). And you can sit on your derriere while cutting. I'd recommend it to anyone who has arthritis. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 06:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Shirley Balloch" Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.5233.0> Precedence: bulk >I was packing up my suncatchers. I have a few I could >not even give away. >Strangest thing. Sail boats, I just can't get people to buy >sail boats. How about you guys. Any like projects? >Shirley B >--- Hi all! I recently did a bunch of windchimes, more sailboats than anything. Those and the doves and butterflies sold the best. Maybe being by lake Michigan shoreline helps? don't know KK. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 07:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sewing Machine Was: Lubs & Oil Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.6341.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah, I have that little sewing machine. Have used it infrequently, but it is great for getting accurate cuts because you can feed the glass thru at your own speed. I have been trying to perfect my cutting accuracy freehand tho. It has and interesting way of lubricating, a pipe cleaner that you saturate with oil. Linda Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. [SMTP:giapet@softhouse.com] My favorite cutter is the one that looks like a little sewing machine. Had developed a bad case of carpal tunnel from years of repetitious factory work. Had surgery which eliminated the pain but left me with a very weak grip. This cutter is great when working long hours (I'd bet all of you have pulled an all-nighter at least once). And you can sit on your derriere while cutting. I'd recommend it to anyone who has arthritis. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 07:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: LOOKING FOR OUT OF PRINT BOOK Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:02:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.14219.0> Precedence: bulk HELP PLEASE I am looking for carolyn klye presents "Home Sweet Home" It has a sunflower in it. a local glass shop made a panel & could not;would not share it with me. So I'm searching for it; Anyone help me??? Hoping to make it for a sunflower lover for xmas. Have searched a few suppliers already & told its out of print. Karlene (~.~) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 07:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass intrastar line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: 5 Posts - GONE Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 09:34:32 -0400 Message-ID: <199810081338.JAA24506@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Karen, Glad your five posts are gone. Would you believe it, I had TWO posts of your post? I think I've figured out the two-post dilemma. Those of us that are on both Bungi and Intrastar, when we post to both, we get both. Duh!!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 07:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:56:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: What project did you have stay on the shelf the longest. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 09:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <199810081354.JAA26172@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I was packing up my suncatchers. I have a few I could not even give >away. >Strangest thing. Sail boats, I just can't get people to buy sail boats. >How about you guys. Any like projects? >Shirley B Last year I was asked for a sailboat nightlight. I went right home and made one. It's been almost a year and it sits at the store, month after month, waiting for that one buyer... On the bright side, butterflies and dragonflies have done very well this year. Bevelled Christmas trees, Jewish stars, also do well. I'll keep you posted around the end of December. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sky city Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1998Oct8.113951.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > >What about St. Basil's Cathedral? THAT would be interesting, but I'm > >not sure I'm that ambitious. Mike? > > > >Shiela > > Yeah, that's the one I mean. Couldn't dig up the name of the church from the > morning fog in my brain......... > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'd have to look it up... mainly i dont' have the space, otherwise i'd have a famous building collection. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081739.NAA04484@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I recently did a bunch of windchimes, more sailboats than anything. Those > and the doves and butterflies sold the best. Maybe being by lake Michigan > shoreline helps? don't know The problem (solution?) of an item selling well in one area and not in another reminds me of my early days while in junior college. I had a job as a shoe salesman (no comments, please). At the end of each year, the store in California would receive large cartons of shoes that hadn't sold in, say, Alabama and Georgia, and I assume they'd get our non-sellers. They'd be offered in a BIG SALE between Christmas and New Years at $5-6/pair the first day, $3-4/pair the second day, $2-3/pair the third day, and $1/pair the last day. It was a mob scene, but frankly I never wondered why they didn't sell elsewhere. They were u g l y very often. Picture if you will a two-toned saddle shoe in t h i c k leather with 1-inch thick soles (these were women's shoes). But at those prices, everything sold like mad. Maybe there's a need for an exchange between glass people of those things that haven't sold in their area. Sailboats for mandalas, etc. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:22:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.62945.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com >How important is a clean mold? My friend had borrowed it and returned it dirty, I assumed adding more Vaseline instead of washing it was adequate. How do= you clean your molds? Can a suction form between the contact paper and the Vaseline? I'm ready to make another stone but don't want to go through that again.< A clean mold is *essential* to a successful release. Clean the mold thoroughly each & every time after you use it. I do not use Vaseline. I use a spray cooking oil, such as Pam or Baker's Joy. Much easier to apply. Better releasing from the mold. Easier to clean. Suction between the contact paper and the mold can occur, but is minimized by using an oil-based product. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How long does it take to make a project Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081436.PAA30348@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk One every hour... who needs sleep anyway?? ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Can this really be done? 24 candles in one day!!!??? > > I'm > > heading back into my cave to try desperately to finish a couple dozen candle > > chimneys for delivery tomorrow....... > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:44:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What project did you have stay on the shelf the longest. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081438.PAA30409@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, ....here in UK it would be angels. People find them too "twee", too "cutesie". sailing boats are also shelf-sitters. People over here love animals, but again they shouldn't be anything other than "real". Elisabeth 'n Toby (who collectively admits to have made one or two sun-catchers...) in UK Shirley B. wrote > I was packing up my suncatchers. I have a few I could not even give > away. > Strangest thing. Sail boats, I just can't get people to buy sail boats. > How about you guys. Any like projects? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 08:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I recently did a bunch of windchimes, more sailboats than anything. Those > and the doves and butterflies sold the best. Maybe being by lake Michigan > shoreline helps? don't know when you have lemons, make lemonade. I sold about 60 small windcatcher sailboats mounted on wood bases to a local sailing club for trophies, and donated a large 3d sailboat to them for their raffle grand prize. regards, charlie Phoennix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:02:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: freepress.com!newman From: Heather Newman To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass cleaning tips Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.65224.0> Organization: Detroit Free Press Precedence: bulk I regularly use paste, and use to tear out my hair getting it off the glass. Then my husband handed me a soft scrub brush (like what you would use to brush in whiting)... no problems. I use diluted CJ. Heather ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-010fb17f-00000001" Subject: Acrylic Admix for stones Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:51:39 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-010fb17f-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Acrylic" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Acrylic" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i used admix when i was tiling parts of my house. i laid probably 2000 sq of tile on the floors, walls, and fireplace with it. it does make the thinset much stronger, but i really hate the smell. smells like my cat's litterbox, so i assume it has an ammonia base. i hadn't thought to use it for stones, but then again i haven't made any of them yet. no reason it shouldn't make them stronger too. charlie --openmail-part-010fb17f-00000001 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:36:44 -0700 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Acrylic Admix for stones MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ptap/uuen////////RFC-822/ptap#a#pacifier#f#com@atlas2 FROM: ptap/uuen////////RFC-822/ptap#a#pacifier#f#com@atlas2 TO: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-010fb17f-00000002" --openmail-part-010fb17f-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Acrylic" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Acrylic" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! A while back we discussed using admix to grout to aid in stability for specific projects, the project at the time was stepping stones. So while we are throwing around the stepping stone thread thought I would share this with you. The product I use is made by Custom Building Products. It is called acrylic mortar admix. I substitute water with admix and blend my grout. Now I use this on specific projects that require more stability, such as fountains. I have found that grout and water is fine but grout and admix is much better. It's more costly but you get a better outcome on certain projects in my opinion. Someone else here was using an admix and I can't remember who that was, I'm sorry, but will you speak up and let us know how you like using the admix too, just for another opinion. See all of you and hopefully this flu bug I've got will pass soon!! Hi Cindy hope your doing o.k.!! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --openmail-part-010fb17f-00000002-- --openmail-part-010fb17f-00000001-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Glass Dress Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 11:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <199810081505.LAA03604@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Bob the Dinosaur wrote: >Two things come to mind - one design could be a rigid form for the torso >and skirt, i.e. the two piece armor from medieval times, >or a more modern design, ala the 'American Express card' dress worn to >the Academy Awards by the woman who designed the costumes for >'Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' - which was a slew of credit cards held >together by wire loops. Could be a fun project to include decorative >soldering, splumping and painting. Or, it could be multicolored strips of glass ala wind chimes tuned to the melody of "Swan Lake." Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 11:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <199810081518.LAA05038@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >Maybe there's a need for an exchange between glass people of those >things that haven't sold in their area. Sailboats for mandalas, etc. > >Albert *Great idea, Albert. I'm really interested in what's hot in the North Atlantic area. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: CncptThnkr@aol.com, Glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:56:47 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled ""non glass banter" and a patio stone question" on Oct 7, 15:45, CncptThnkr@aol.com writes:] > imaginable. > > Ok, now on to my serious question, I had the worst time imaginable getting a > patio stone out of the mold. I thought I did everything correctly, used > Vaseline, followed the dimoncrete directions on mixing and time in the mold. Sometime you have to work the sides opposite eachother. A little shaking as you go around the mold. I've tapped the mold gently with a hammer too and that seems to get the stubborn ones out. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: POP3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Acrylic Admix for stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081444.PAA30753@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, et al, ....it might have been me...? I was referring to a product known Across the Pond as Febmix, but this is to slow down/speed up the setting time. The same company also produces mortar colours in powder form, that you mix straight in as you mix the other ingredients. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who is very sorry about Cindy's knee, but protests - it wasn't HIM!) Pam wrote: > Someone else here was using an admix and I can't remember who that was, > I'm sorry, but will you speak up and let us know how you like using the > admix too, just for another opinion. > > See all of you and hopefully this flu bug I've got will pass soon!! Hi > Cindy hope your doing o.k.!! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: POP3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Acrylic Admix for stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081453.PAA31239@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, et al, ....it might have been me...? I was referring to a product known Across the Pond as Febmix, but this is to slow down/speed up the setting time. The same company also produces mortar colours in powder form, that you mix straight in as you mix the other ingredients. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who is very sorry about Cindy's knee, but protests - it wasn't HIM!) Pam wrote: > Someone else here was using an admix and I can't remember who that was, > I'm sorry, but will you speak up and let us know how you like using the > admix too, just for another opinion. > > See all of you and hopefully this flu bug I've got will pass soon!! Hi > Cindy hope your doing o.k.!! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 09:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: POP3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How long does it take to make a project Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081442.PAA30644@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk One every hour... who needs sleep anyway?? ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Can this really be done? 24 candles in one day!!!??? > > I'm > > heading back into my cave to try desperately to finish a couple dozen candle > > chimneys for delivery tomorrow....... > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 10:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: POP3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass dress Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810081442.PAA30652@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk ....Then add some crutches to support yourself as you jingled across the floor. Sight for sore eyes!! Even the crutches could be decorated with mosaic.... What do you thnk Patrick? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shirley B. wrote: > Yes Bob, but would it be wearable? > Glass would be so heavy and how would you support the weight so that the > tu tu would stick straight out. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 10:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Location, location, location Re: What project did you have stay on the shelf the longest. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:43:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.164350.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/8/98 12:39:12 PM, balloch@netbridge.net wrote: >I was packing up my suncatchers. I have a few I could not even give >away. >Strangest thing. Sail boats, I just can't get people to buy sail boats. I'm curious, whereabouts do you live/work? And what do you observe when you consider your subject matter vs. where you're trying to sell it? F'rinstance, you might sell a ton of sailboats "down the shore," but none in Nebraska, and sunflowers might go well in Nebraska but not in south Florida. The exception comes with folks who've been transplanted from "God's country" and still miss their old home. My mom grew up on the northern California coast, and all her decor is seagulls, shells, sailboats, etc. on top of a hill in Pittsburgh PA. (My first-ever original glass design was a 12" round door light of a flying seagull to put in my folks' front door.) As for me, I'm from southern California, and I have to stop myself from going gaga over "Southwestern" if I'm going to sell it here in Filthydelphia.... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 10:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How long does it take to make a project Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:43:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.164352.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/8/98 12:34:46 PM, balloch@netbridge.net wrote: >Can this really be done? 24 candles in one day!!!??? Nope. (Not by me, at any rate.) I got everything cut out over 2 days (working about half day each day), spent much of yesterday at the foiler, and got as far as actually building 2 of them late yesterday afternoon. The rest are still foiled pieces stacked up in "Lean Cuisine" trays in a big bin, waiting for a marathon soldering session this weekend. It finally occurred to me last night: no wonder this is taking so long. It's the equivalent of about a 14 square foot panel, with 3-D assembly to boot! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 10:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Oil Evaporates: Was:Lubricants Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:51:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.165156.0> Precedence: bulk I too used a pistol grip that leaks oil. It has for years. recently, I noticed the oil level was not dropping in the grip. It stopped leaking! I'm taking it apart this weekend to see waht is wrong.... Cheryl in New Jersey GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 11:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, CncptThnkr@aol.com Subject: Clean molds Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:37:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199810081737.NAA10346@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Pat writes, >> How important is a clean mold? My friend had borrowed it and returned it dirty, I assumed adding more Vaseline instead of washing it was adequate. How do you clean your molds? << If you have small pieces of dried cement clinging to the sides of your mold they are sure to cause mechanical trapping of the next stone. So, for best results, scrape and clean your molds before using. Vaseline will not permit release in a mold that has dried cement projecting from the side(s). Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 11:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "non glass banter" re "#69" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct8.33233.0> References: <<1998Oct7.19457.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Pat: Bio #69? Is there a particular reason for requesting this number. I know there must be a perfectly good reason and suggest you tell us or else we must think of our own reasons....hmmmmmm Millers Analogy??? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 11:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3-d pattern design question Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:59:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199810081759.NAA08804@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>On the other hand, one could carefully build a multi-part mold, slump pieces of glass into the parts, then build quite true-to-life glass cars. There might be a large market for them, considering the rabidness of car buffs. Albert<< Yes, yes, yes. Slumping even just one or two pieces of glass will add greatly to your 3-D car project. People do not always expect SG to be curved and slumping will add interest as well as getting the job done of conveying the idea of the car. If you do not have a kiln, then try to find a SG studio that will do the job for you. Should cost little and add greatly to the project. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 11:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: patio stone question Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:12:48 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199810081812.NAA17290@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Although I've never had trouble using Vaseline, I've heard from a couple of people that WD-40 is better as a mold lubricant..... Kaye (back to lurk mode) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 16:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: Klmxklm@aol.com To: Glasbug@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thank You. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:11:27 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.231127.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Glasbug: Just wanted to add my support to that you've already received -- no need for thanks! I'm a relative "newbie", also, and think I know how you felt. Have also not seen fit to do my "bio" as yet; spend most time lurking but do have questions occasionally. Completely understand your uncomfortable feeling but I know that we, as a group, will do all that we can to help you erase it. Others have explained better than I can the reasons for, and the pains and benefits that result from our often divergent ideas and opinions Hang in there! Let us hear from you. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 17:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: hanging panel Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:55:13 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.235513.0> Precedence: bulk Howdy all, I've finished my 20" quilt square pattern. I framed it with zinc and put hangers ( little circles of wire) on the top. Now my question is, what's best to hang it with? Do you always have to use chain, or will fishing line do? Thanks, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 17:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: patina stain? Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:58:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct8.235826.0> Precedence: bulk On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the glass after I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, but looks more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I patina, I use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using too much? Thanks again, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 17:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: CWWSLW@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hanging panel Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:30:22 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct9.03022.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/8/98 7:28:34 PM Central Daylight Time, CWWSLW@aol.com writes: << Now my question is, what's best to hang it with? Do you always have to use chain, or will fishing line do? >> I always hang with chain. I haven't had any luck with fishing line. I also was told that if you use fishing line you need to change it every 2-3 years. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 19:01:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.174910.0> References: <<1998Oct7.75848.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk >... doing/singing some avant > guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained > glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make > her a stained glass dress. Hi, Christie, Getting in and out of a solid glass dress is a challange. Glass sections somehow inserted into something that will go around the curves that form the human form may be a way to go. But, whatever you decide to do, make sure your insurance is in place, 'cause God forbid that she should fall in a glass dress. i.e. sounds real risky to me. On the other had, a lovely silk satin organza painted in "stained glass" fashion could be stunning and would offer a marvelous sheen and a translucentcy against the lights... Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 19:17:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: hanging panel Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 21:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <199810090116.VAA25413@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Howdy all, >I've finished my 20" quilt square pattern. I framed it with zinc and put >hangers ( little circles of wire) on the top. Now my question is, what's best >to hang it with? Do you always have to use chain, or will fishing line do? >Thanks, >Susan Hi Susan, For a 20" panel you should use chain. Fishing line could rot. Even tigertail isn't strong enough, I believe. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 19:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pricing (sort of) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.145228.0> Precedence: bulk With only 18 pieces I'd charge about $150-$200... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 1:53 PM Subject: Pricing (sort of) >I am making a 12" x 16" oval panel to be donated to the American Cancer >Society for a fund raising auction. They need to know the estimated >value of it so they could ask for a minimum bid price. I have no clue! >It'll only have 18 pieces. >Any advice on what to list the value at? > >Thanks, >Caren > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 19:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:47:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.144741.0> Precedence: bulk Kero is all I've ever used and it works fine for me... -----Original Message----- From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: Glass Cutter Lubricants > >Looking thru an a old stained glass book, it indicated you could use >kerosene as a lubricant for your glass cutter. > >Being frugal this appeals to me, however cutters are more expensive than >cutting oil. Does anyone one what kind of stuff cutting oil is? > >(The last batch I bought was privately labeled by my local stained glass >retailer, it had little tiny flecks of an unknown substance in it. He >charged >me like 7 bucks for it.) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 19:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hi guys, non glas Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810090127.SAA20227@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I'm back, grin. And doing fine, kinda pooped is all. I'll be recovering better once I get off these crutches.... You guys have sure been talking alot, grin..... lots for me to read!!! Thanks again for all the support:) You guys are the greatest! Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 20:01:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 21:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <199810090150.VAA28109@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the glass >after >I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, but looks >more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I patina, I >use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using too >much? >Thanks again, >Susan Susan, did you get the patina right off after you scrubbed it into the solder? If you leave patina on too long it can stain the glass and the stain looks just as you described. I know from sad experience. I never did get it off... Sorry, Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 20:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:06:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.17631.0> References: <<1998Oct8.235826.0>> Precedence: bulk CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > > On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the glass after > I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, but looks > more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I patina, I > use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using too > much? > Thanks again, > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass cj flux and patina remover supposedly removes patina stains, you can try that... other then that that stuff sticks on really well.. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 20:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:13:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.181354.0> References: <<1998Oct8.174910.0>> Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > >... doing/singing some avant > > guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained > > glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make > > her a stained glass dress. > > Hi, Christie, > > Getting in and out of a solid glass dress is a challange. Glass sections > somehow inserted into something that will go around the curves that form > the human form may be a way to go. But, whatever you decide to do, make > sure your insurance is in place, 'cause God forbid that she should fall > in a glass dress. i.e. sounds real risky to me. > > On the other had, a lovely silk satin organza painted in "stained glass" > fashion could be stunning and would offer a marvelous sheen and a > translucentcy against the lights... > > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass to prevent the fall over you could make a grandma walker. a cage with wheels. it can support the piece and the girl in the middle can more or less walk with ease. you would of course have to cover the wheels somehow. or you could set up a series of wires and she can glide along them... or you can make a glass girl to put in the glass dress... though that would defeat the purpose in the first place. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 20:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Paint on Glass Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:21:41 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, A quick question about paint on glass. Is there anyway other than using a kiln to keep paint on glass. I'm making an angel stepping stone and need to put eyes, nose and mouth on the face of the angel. I don't own a kiln. Are there any permanent paints that will work without a kiln? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 20:45:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: patio stone question Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.13152.0> References: <<1998Oct7.19457.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk It has not been my experience that vaseline causes a suction. Since you have broken your mold, may I recommend using a potted plant drip catcher next time. They are a little more filmsy and once you have poured concrete in them, then I recomend placing the mold on a board and move the board not the mold. Anyway, the edges are angled out and makes for much easier removal. Good luck Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 21:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pricing (sort of) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.135035.0> References: <<1998Oct8.145228.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Does this price take into consideration that the pattern is an orginial design? Thanks Shirley B Byron Wells wrote: > > With only 18 pieces I'd charge about $150-$200... > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 21:38:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gjr@bungi.com Subject: Paint on Glass Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:11:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199810090411.AAA10632@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>A quick question about paint on glass. Is there anyway other than using a kiln to keep paint on glass. I'm making an angel stepping stone and need to put eyes, nose and mouth on the face of the angel. I don't own a kiln. Are there any permanent paints that will work without a kiln? Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com<< I don't know of a good non fired paint for stepping stones but you could sandblast your design elements into flashed glass. With color on clear the flash could be up or down as desired. You might also try having the flash side down on the stone and using nail polish for color. Should last well. Bob Ps: Fired paint is not likely to hold up well on the surface of a stepping stone due to scratching. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 22:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.191258.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth wrote " What do you think Patrick"? Patrick thinks: Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Got frit in my undergarments. It gives a whole new meaning to the word "grinder" . Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 8 23:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Stained Glass Dress Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct8.194828.0> Precedence: bulk In my vast experience with dresses I seem to remember a large wired framework that we "Southern Belles" used to wear (just before we got the "Vapors". I believe we wore pantaloons under these and the dress was draped over it. Perhaps this might get the designs and imaginations going (on the stained glass dress that is). Ahhhhhh .... the days of the Rhett Butler. Patrick don't know nothin bout birthin no babies. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 01:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:52:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.95224.0> Precedence: bulk At 19:58 08/10/98 EDT, susan wrote: >On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the glass after >I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, but looks >more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I patina, I >use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using too >much? >Thanks again, >Susan >---- I think that Novacan used to market a patina stain remover for just this purpose. As none of our suppliers is importing it into the UK I cant say how well it works, but it might be worth a try. EliZabeth in UK Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 04:45:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( was Re: Oil Evaporates Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:18:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct9.111835.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/8/98 6:54:11 PM, GlassLites@aol.com wrote: >I too used a pistol grip that leaks oil. It has for years. recently, I noticed >the oil level was not dropping in the grip. It stopped leaking! > >I'm taking it apart this weekend to see waht is wrong.... Just be careful not to tighten it too hard when you put it back together. It doesn't take much to crack the body of the thing. That happened to mine, and all the king's horses and all the king's men haven't yet been able to figure out what kind of glue might stick it together again - a tall order, considering that the thing is hard plastic (don't know what kind) and anything you use to glue it together has to stick firmly to plastic but be *oilproof*! Anyone have any suggestions? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 04:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "non glass banter" and a patio stone question Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:18:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct9.111839.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/8/98 4:23:40 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >A clean mold is *essential* to a successful release. Clean the mold >thoroughly each & every time after you use it. I do not use Vaseline. >I use a spray cooking oil, such as Pam or Baker's Joy. Much easier >to apply. Better releasing from the mold. Easier to clean. And I'll be so-o-o-o-o-o-o happy when the shop's current can of "butter- flavored" stuff gets used up and we can get some "plain" stuff. Having to work all day surrounded by the smell of movie popcorn and know that neither a movie nor a bucket of screaming yellow high-salt yummy crunchy stuff awaits is sheer torture! :-) Let the record show, however (in all fairness), that the boss has been known to supply microwave popcorn at times. That does help take the edge off the cravings. Sparks (p.s. for newcomers to bungi-land: I'm currently working 2-3 days a week in Christie's shop, in addition to having my own workshop at home, where I do my own original work for consignment *and* subcontract wholesale orders for her. I'll send in a bio - including how this came about - as soon as I get a life.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 06:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IGGA Memo Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:13:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.21339.0> Precedence: bulk I have been in the similar situation before. The client always seems so eager and anxious to see the plans and have you get busy. But without a written contract I wouldn't have ordered glass. It is unfortunate experience, but I do not think you can charge her for the glass without explaining upfront that you were going to order glass that day and she would have been required to pay for it. The best way to handle it in the future would have her sign the contract that day. My two cents worth. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 07:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: test Date: Fri Oct 9 06:38:42 1998 Message-ID: <19981009133641Z15898-31604+189@mail2.one.net> Precedence: bulk haven't received anything from bungi in a while, was testing to see if it is working ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 07:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( was Re: Oil Evaporates Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.51024.0> Precedence: bulk I'll sell you a new one and take your broken on in for trade...like a used car... Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:56 AM Subject: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( was Re: Oil Evaporates > >In a message dated 10/8/98 6:54:11 PM, GlassLites@aol.com wrote: > >>I too used a pistol grip that leaks oil. It has for years. recently, I >noticed >>the oil level was not dropping in the grip. It stopped leaking! >> >>I'm taking it apart this weekend to see waht is wrong.... > >Just be careful not to tighten it too hard when you put it back together. It >doesn't take much to crack the body of the thing. That happened to mine, and >all the king's horses and all the king's men haven't yet been able to figure >out what kind of glue might stick it together again - a tall order, >considering that the thing is hard plastic (don't know what kind) and anything >you use to glue it together has to stick firmly to plastic but be *oilproof*! >Anyone have any suggestions? > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 08:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:07:50 -0400 Message-ID: <199810091412.KAA14994@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote: >to prevent the fall over you could make a grandma walker. a cage with >wheels. it can support the piece and the girl in the middle can more or >less walk with ease. you would of course have to cover the wheels >somehow. > >or you could set up a series of wires and she can glide along them... > >or you can make a glass girl to put in the glass dress... though that >would defeat the purpose in the first place. Yes, I like these ideas. Mike, you have a most imaginative mind! I can visualize our Patrick gliding along a series of wires in Scarlett's glass dress. Now, who will play Rhett? Methinks Elisabeth herself. "My dear, I don't give a damn..." Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 08:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.64844.0> Precedence: bulk Bungians My Fletcher cutter has a removable head that will flip 180 degrees. One way the head is rigid, the other way the head swivels. I have always kept in the rigid mode. I do a lot of straight cuts for boxes and such. This works great. I assume the swivel mode is for curvey cuts but it kind of rides like a bent wheel bicycle - it could be me but the major difficulty is that the angle and location of the cutting wheel in the swivel mode makes it difficult for me to see where it's going. The Wheel is to the front of the head when in the rigid mode and in the rear of the head when in the swivel mode. Am I missing something? Does swivel mode have a purpose? Thanks, Still learning, Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 09:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( was Re: Oil Evaporates Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.5472.0> References: <<1998Oct9.111835.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/8/98 6:54:11 PM, GlassLites@aol.com wrote: > > >I too used a pistol grip that leaks oil. It has for years. recently, I > noticed > >the oil level was not dropping in the grip. It stopped leaking! > > > >I'm taking it apart this weekend to see waht is wrong.... > > Just be careful not to tighten it too hard when you put it back together. It > doesn't take much to crack the body of the thing. That happened to mine, and > all the king's horses and all the king's men haven't yet been able to figure > out what kind of glue might stick it together again - a tall order, > considering that the thing is hard plastic (don't know what kind) and anything > you use to glue it together has to stick firmly to plastic but be *oilproof*! > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass they do make various kinds of plastic glues. i'd try model cement first. automotive stores may sell a glue that you can use. or a model shop, since they use different kinds of plastics. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 09:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Glass dress Date: Fri Oct 9 08:18:38 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.55438.0> Precedence: bulk But what will Elisabeth be wearing? I don't think her soldering outfit will do. Are we now going to come up with a glass suit? Are the colors complimentary or matching. Transparent or opaque? Will the questions never end??? I think Elisabeth would look stunning no matter what she is wearing. (Or not as the case may be.) Always a very proper lady! Patrick on the other hand.... Vic I can visualize our Patrick gliding along a series of wires in Scarlett's glass dress. Now, who will play Rhett? Methinks Elisabeth herself. "My dear, I don't give a damn..." Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 09:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nancyclayb From: Nancy Bean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Copper Patina Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.63338.0> Precedence: bulk Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 09:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'esavad@home.net'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.818.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah, Mike, Stray, that's the word that describes it. I too seem to have more control with the head rigid. I thought maybe it was a technique that took practice. Linda -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:esavad@home.net] the swivel is designed to twist instead of your wrist twisting. i've never used it. i've always used the ridged setting, i've found that the swivel makes me stray. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 10:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hanging panel Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.2217.0> References: <<1998Oct8.235513.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Susan: You asked about how to hang your 20" "quilt" panel. Fishing line may be fine but there is small jack chain available at the hardware stores that would definitely hold your panel. The jack chain also gives it visual stability that the fishing line would not do. My Thoughts, Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 10:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Paint on Glass Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.2644.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Glenna you asked about painting on glass without using a kiln. There are some acryllic paints that you can use to paint on glass and place them in an oven (250 degrees F). This gives them semi-permanent status. Also, the Deka transparent paints can be treated the same way. Go to your local art store and look at both the acryllic and deka displays. The label will tell you if you can put them in the oven. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 10:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Is it me or the grozers? Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:56:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.15614.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk My grozer/plyers have been well used. The spring rusted away thanks to getting flux on it one to many times. Then the edge wore down smooth and lost it's grip. So I bought a new pair. The curved side seems to be more curved and the first ridge is so deep it looks like a wire cutter. When I use it, it shatters the glass or make it fly off to heaven knows where. Yes I am griping it as hard as I can. I tried gentle too. That didn't work. So is it the plyers, or is it just me(after 3 years with the first pair of plyers) getting used to a new tool? Thanks for any and all advice. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 10:41:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Projects that don't sell Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:58:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.15827.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Just a clarification on the sailboats. I live in a coastal town and on nice days, you can usually see a sailboat in the harbor. That was why I made so many of the darn things. Has anyone noticed that there seems to be an interest in elephants lately? 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I tape, I like cookies, and I like to share. ~Bob --part0_907907547_boundary Content-ID: <0_907907547@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Drseuss880@aol.com Return-path: To: KritSuX@aol.com Subject: cookies Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:30:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit THIS IS TRUE----PLEASE READ IT AND PLEASE SEND THIS >>> >> TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS....THIS IS REALLY >> >>> TERRIFIC >>> My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in >>> Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are suc= h >>> cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus cookie." It was s= o >>> excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe >>> and the waitress said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, >> >>> would you let me buy the recipe? 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Ride free, citizens= ! >>> >> PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --part0_907907547_boundary-- --------------A02019A326796347A575340A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 10:54:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: patina stain? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.92012.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com >On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the glass= after I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, but looks more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I patina,= I use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using too= much?< You need to be a bit more careful with applying the patina. It can stain= certain glass and no amount of washing & polishing with Kem-O-Pro will remove the stain. I did hear once that there is a product which can= remove that type stain, but I don't remember what it is. Anyone out there know? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 11:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.74738.0> References: <<1998Oct9.64844.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Bungians > > My Fletcher cutter has a removable head that will flip 180 degrees. One > way the head is rigid, the other way the head swivels. I have always kept > in the rigid mode. I do a lot of straight cuts for boxes and such. This > works great. > > I assume the swivel mode is for curvey cuts but it kind of rides like a > bent wheel bicycle - it could be me but the major difficulty is that the > angle and location of the cutting wheel in the swivel mode makes it > difficult for me to see where it's going. The Wheel is to the front of the > head when in the rigid mode and in the rear of the head when in the swivel > mode. Am I missing something? Does swivel mode have a purpose? > > Thanks, > > Still learning, > > Linda Campbell > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the swivel is designed to twist instead of your wrist twisting. i've never used it. i've always used the ridged setting, i've found that the swivel makes me stray. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 11:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "Lynn Alchin" To: "Fellow Artists" Subject: Glass Pattern Quarterly Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.34849.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All! Been busy in school and haven't checked my e-mail for several days!(almost a week) 2 things: First, I would love to see Elizabeth over here, and would make a special out-of-state trip to Warner to meet her. Second, I have a subscription to Glass Patterns Quarterly, But the address for subscriptions is at home. Here is a web site address where I know they are listed: Go to Artglass world @: http://www.artglassworld.com and click on magazines. It's there. Lynn in Arizona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 11:32:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Paint on Glass Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.92018.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Glenna Rand >A quick question about paint on glass. Is there anyway other than using= a kiln to keep paint on glass. I'm making an angel stepping stone and need to put eyes, nose and mouth on the face of the angel. I don't own a kiln. Are there any permanent paints that will work without a kiln?< There are some glass paints by Deca which can be cured in an oven. They will not last as long as true glass paint fired in a kiln. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 11:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "Lynn Alchin" To: "Fellow Artists" Subject: see what happens... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.35538.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry for posting the info on Glass Patterns quarterly so late... I guess this is what happens when you take a week off from reading the e-mail! (Late responses, and 575 new messages!) Lynn in AZ. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.9203.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Karen K." >I recently did a bunch of windchimes, more sailboats than anything. Tho= se and the doves and butterflies sold the best. Maybe being by lake Michiga= n shoreline helps? don't know< Location definately has a bearing on what becomes your best sellers. Close to a body of water always encourages purchase of water-related items, such as mermaids, sailboats, seaguls, whales, etc. Mountains encourage more mamals such as wolves, bears, bobcats, lions, etc. Eagles go into just about any U.S.A. location. Here in my section of Southeast Pennsylvania, mission-style (Frank Lloyd Wright) is popular in Skippack, but not in Ft. Washington which is located just 10 miles down the same road. Go figure. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What project on the shelf Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.9209.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >Maybe there's a need for an exchange between glass people of those = things that haven't sold in their area. Sailboats for mandalas, etc.< Actually, myself and another fine crafts shop owner (the one located in Ft. Washington I mentioned in another post), do a swap. Every 6 months she and I swap our non-moving items. We work out a 60/40 consignment agreement. So far I've sold one of her non-selling items and she hasn't sold any of mine. But the point is not just to sell non-moving stock, but also to give both stores a 'fresh' look with 'new' inventory. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Cutter Lubricants Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:18:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.101829.0> References: <<1998Oct7.63343.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk I use plain old lamp oil, and have for years. I buy the 64 oz jug at K-Mart for less than 3 bucks, and it'll last "forever". Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Nancy Bean" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 14:20:39 -0400 Message-ID: <199810091824.OAA10562@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven >Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any >help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy >---- Copper patina benefits from a good "rubbing in." I saturate a paper towel with it and (using gloves of course) rub it vigorously into the seam. Then I dry it with paper towel (don't wash), then use glass wax. It should come up nice & shiny. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Projects that don't sell Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 14:16:43 -0400 Message-ID: <199810091820.OAA10213@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Just a clarification on the sailboats. I live in a coastal town and on >nice days, you can usually see a sailboat in the harbor. That was why I >made so many of the darn things. >Has anyone noticed that there seems to be an interest in elephants >lately? >Shirley B Nobody's asked me for one, I haven't seen many - maybe it's a West Coast kind of thing? Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 12:55:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Copper Patina Date: Fri Oct 9 11:40:44 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.91644.0> Precedence: bulk Nancy When this has happened to me it was because the solder was not cleaned well enough and there were still traces of flux. The piece should be washed thoroughly with hot soapy water, rinsed and then dried. Sometimes, when ambitious or it really needs to look good, I also clean it with fine steel wool and then rinse and dry again. Then it can be patinaed. If it still comes out blotchy I steel wool it back to solder and start over again. You can probably find more about cleaning in the archives, but after some of the recent mail I'm not sending anyone there. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Bean [mailto:nancyclayb@erols.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 12:34 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Copper Patina Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 13:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: design software Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.94918.0> Precedence: bulk Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel? Someone has already posted info about GlassEye Software Thanks. Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 15:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Projects that don't sell Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.1400.0> References: <<1998Oct9.15827.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > Has anyone noticed that there seems to be an interest in elephants > lately? > Shirley B Actually, giraffes. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 16:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Pattern Quarterly Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:01:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct9.22124.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/9/98 1:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time, crzylynna@email.msn.com writes: << I have a subscription to Glass Patterns Quarterly, But the address for subscriptions is at home. Here is a web site address where I know they are listed: >> I have a subscription also. What I have wondered about, but never pursued is why is it more expensive to subscribe to Glass Patterns than it is to go to the store and buy one? I thought all magazines were cheaper to subscribe to than to buy singlely. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 16:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gleason@rrnet.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: American Bevel Designer Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:39:35, -0500 Message-ID: <199810092239.SAA13068@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel?<< I have American Bevel Designer l and ll with all available software libraries. Go to: http://www.american bevel.com and page to "Billboard" where questions and answers are posted on Designer. I like the software but find that the learning curve for me has been slow. Drawing a freeform design is a bit of work and experience helps. The basic software includes all the AB bevel designs. They can be moved around at will, taken apart and assembled in different ways. For other bevel clusters one would have a large problem in redrawing them in ABD. The new flower library is not exactly what I had in mind. I recommend one review it prior to purchase. Just because I am not thrilled does not mean it is not thrilling. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Nancy Bean Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.84833.0> References: <<1998Oct9.63338.0>> Precedence: bulk Nancy. Copper patina requires a really clean surface. I usually use the extra fine steelwood (0000) over the solder before I apply the patina. Also if I am going to do copper patina, I usually use the steel wood on the solder wire to knock off the oxides before I even solder. I then use a q-tip and soft cloth and as I patina and get the color I want, I wipe it down as I go. after applying kem-pro and letting it dry completely, the polishing removes the splotchiness. Peggy On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Nancy Bean wrote: > Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven > Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any > help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gleason@rrnet.com Subject: design software Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:36, -0500 Message-ID: <199810092217.SAA13348@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel?<< I have American Bevel Designer l and ll with all available libraries. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Is it me or the grozers? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.9951.0> References: <<1998Oct9.15614.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley: Is you new groziers the combination breaker/grozier? If so it may make a difference on how you are holding them. I try to remember that the flat side of the pliers should be against the glass you WANT to keep. The curved side is the side you use in the grozing action. I usually describe the grozing action akin to the same action as putting my bottom lip up under the top of the upper teeth and scraping itdown over the lip. Not sure this makes sense but not sure how else to describe it. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:38:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass bungi line Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------10052C7E99D33A44AE319EBA" Subject: Not Glass - Cancer research stamp Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:03:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.15314.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------10052C7E99D33A44AE319EBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Worth passing on ... > > > > > > As you may be aware, the U.S. Postal Service recently released its > > new > > > "Fund the Cure" stamp to help fund breast cancer research. The stamp > > was > > > designed by Ethel Kessler of Bethesda, Maryland. It is important > > that we > > > take a stand against this disease that kills and maims so many of > > our > > > mothers, sisters, friends. > > > > > > Instead of the normal $.32 for a stamp, this one costs $.40. The > > > additional $.08 will go to breast cancer research. A "normal" book > > costs > > > $6.40. This one is only $8.00. It takes a few minutes in line at > > the Post > > > Office and means so much. > > > > > > If all stamps are sold, it will raise an additional $16,000,000 for > > this > > > vital research! > > > > > > Just as important as the money is our support. What a statement it > > would > > > make if the stamp outsold the lottery this week or outsold tickets > > to > > > Saving Private Ryan or Rush Hour this weekend. What a statement it > > would > > > make that we care. I urge each of you to do two things TODAY: > > > > > > 1. Go out and purchase some of these stamps. > > > 2. E-mail your friends to do the same. > > > > > > Many of us know women and their families whose lives are turned > > > upside-down by breast cancer. It takes so little to do so much in > > this > > > drive. Please Help. I am sure that everyone out there has had this disease touch their family or friends. I hope that you will help to spread the word. Thank. Elsie --------------10052C7E99D33A44AE319EBA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org ([207.196.94.194]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981009133951.JJN234@ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:39:51 +0000 Received: by ml.nhla.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4MMMJ5V2>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:30 -0400 Message-ID: <616C8B1207F7D111923800805FBB567E0FB8AA@ml.nhla.org> From: Elizabeth Turqman To: "Elsie Turqman (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Worth passing on -Forwarded Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Parsons [mailto:tparsons@ncfc.org] S > Worth passing on ... > > > > As you may be aware, the U.S. Postal Service recently released its > new > > "Fund the Cure" stamp to help fund breast cancer research. The stamp > was > > designed by Ethel Kessler of Bethesda, Maryland. It is important > that we > > take a stand against this disease that kills and maims so many of > our > > mothers, sisters, friends. > > > > Instead of the normal $.32 for a stamp, this one costs $.40. The > > additional $.08 will go to breast cancer research. A "normal" book > costs > > $6.40. This one is only $8.00. It takes a few minutes in line at > the Post > > Office and means so much. > > > > If all stamps are sold, it will raise an additional $16,000,000 for > this > > vital research! > > > > Just as important as the money is our support. What a statement it > would > > make if the stamp outsold the lottery this week or outsold tickets > to > > Saving Private Ryan or Rush Hour this weekend. What a statement it > would > > make that we care. I urge each of you to do two things TODAY: > > > > 1. Go out and purchase some of these stamps. > > 2. E-mail your friends to do the same. > > > > Many of us know women and their families whose lives are turned > > upside-down by breast cancer. It takes so little to do so much in > this > > drive. Please Help. --------------10052C7E99D33A44AE319EBA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:40:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.85624.0> References: <<1998Oct9.92012.0>> Precedence: bulk Don't I remember someone used lemon oil to remove the patina stain? I think I would also use a product called Goo Gone, a citrus based product or solvent that is great for removing gummed label residue. I remember replying to someone to ask them the name of the lemon oil product but the answer I received was something like any lemon oil would probably do. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:54:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lurkers and archives Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981010062721.3117c7d2@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi My name is Bethan and I started 'doing glass' just three weeks ago. I have finished a window and have two others ready for saldering. I also have cut the pieces for a lamp. I am hooked and completely excited about it all. I somehow got myself onto this list, and was also initially surprised by how little glass discussion there was. Since reading the debate that seems to have polarized into' strict glass conversation' versus 'more personal comments' notion in some minds, (which is not what the persons complaining were saying as far as I could see), I have become familiar with the fact that there are archives somewhere. In order not to annoy everyone with my questions, I would love to read them. However I have managed to lose, or never received any information telling me how to go about accessing these. If there is a subscription notice or FAQ sheet anywhere, or any kinds of instructions, I would love to receive it (again if I lost it) Sorry to be a pain. Thanks Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 17:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:16:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.131649.0> References: <<1998Oct9.63338.0>> Precedence: bulk Nancy Bean wrote: > > Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven > Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any > help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass probably oxidation left on the solder. try using the baking soda joy mix. and, or use 0000 steel wool. then maybe use some denatured alcohol. it might look a little splotchy after that... polish with something lik semi-chrome. it should look more or less like a new penny. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 18:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: American Bevel Designer Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.135341.0> References: <<199810092239.SAA13068@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi! Thanks for the info. Is there any major difference between I and II? Thanks. Fargo, ND -----Original Message----- From: BOB DUCHESNEAU [mailto:YWAH36A@prodigy.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 6:40 PM To: glass@bungi.com; gleason@rrnet.com; glass@intrastar.net Subject: American Bevel Designer >>Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel?<< I have American Bevel Designer l and ll with all available software libraries. Go to: http://www.american bevel.com and page to "Billboard" where questions and answers are posted on Designer. I like the software but find that the learning curve for me has been slow. Drawing a freeform design is a bit of work and experience helps. The basic software includes all the AB bevel designs. They can be moved around at will, taken apart and assembled in different ways. For other bevel clusters one would have a large problem in redrawing them in ABD. The new flower library is not exactly what I had in mind. I recommend one review it prior to purchase. Just because I am not thrilled does not mean it is not thrilling. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 18:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: WhispyBlu@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass Pattern Quarterly Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:02:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.16231.0> References: <<1998Oct9.22124.0>> Precedence: bulk I asked my retailer about that some time ago, and he told me it's to get the customer into the glass store. He said it's the same with SGN----to get the customer into the store 4 times a year. Jerri >I have a subscription also. What I have wondered about, but never >pursued is >why is it more expensive to subscribe to Glass Patterns than it is to >go to >the store and buy one? I thought all magazines were cheaper to >subscribe to >than to buy singlely. > >Lu Ann ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 18:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Projects that don't sell Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct9.102248.0> Precedence: bulk Living in Faibanks, Alaska for the 20 years, I found some of the best selling suncatchers to be: moose, bears, and penguins (never mind that there are NO penguins in Alaska!). These were mostly bought for gifts to send to friends or relatives in the 'lower-48'. In Southern California I cannot GIVE away moose, bears, or penguins! Down here Southeastern designs go well (if near the desert). Seals, whales, seagulls go well near the coast! I believe you must design for the area you will be selling in. Of course, there is always the odd sale to a 'collecter' of a certain item (penguins, turtles, apples, ducks, geese, cows, or what ever). Jean ---Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Just a clarification on the sailboats. I live in a coastal town and on > nice days, you can usually see a sailboat in the harbor. That was why I > made so many of the darn things. > Has anyone noticed that there seems to be an interest in elephants > lately? > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 18:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:14:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.131426.0> References: <<01BDF37C.80C30280.lcbell@memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Yeah, Mike, > > Stray, that's the word that describes it. I too seem to have more control > with the head rigid. I thought maybe it was a technique that took practice. > > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Savad [SMTP:esavad@home.net] > the swivel is designed to twist instead of your wrist twisting. i've > never used it. i've always used the ridged setting, i've found that the > swivel makes me stray. > > ---Mike Savad primarily i think it just let's the head stay straight. i guess it's something to get used to... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 18:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is it me or the grozers? Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.13193.0> References: <<1998Oct9.15614.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > My grozer/plyers have been well used. The spring rusted away thanks to > getting flux on it one to many times. Then the edge wore down smooth > and lost it's grip. So I bought a new pair. > The curved side seems to be more curved and the first ridge is so deep > it looks like a wire cutter. > When I use it, it shatters the glass or make it fly off to heaven knows > where. Yes I am griping it as hard as I can. I tried gentle too. That > didn't work. > So is it the plyers, or is it just me(after 3 years with the first pair > of plyers) getting used to a new tool? > Thanks for any and all advice. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm going to say it's the pliers. it might be a shoddy pair. i'd try returning it, and getting a new one. the jaws might not be parralel (sp?) to each other. and the minute pressure one spot may be causing it to shatter. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 19:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: gleason@rrnet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: design software Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:21:33 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.12133.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm the proud owner of American Bevel's Designer 2.0 software. I also think I got dinged a little bit by American Bevel. (story below) I have only really played with it. I've created a couple of suncatchers and one panel with it so far. At my paying job I use AutoCad so I think I'm able to give at least an initial rating of Designer. I have used AutoCad to design some panels, and I guess I could do even some 3d stuff with it too, if I set up it properly. And there lies the catch. Designer is really geared to 2d panel design, where AutoCad makes it somewhat of a hassle. AutoCad does have some features I would like to see in Designer, like some sort of grip system to handle, grab, and snap to the 'nodes' (points on the line) easier. 3d features would be great, but that would add alot of complexity. Some of the things I liked right off about Designer include the following: 1. Layers, (which are also easy to manage, create, and move between) 2. Ability to move objects to the front and back on the same layer (similar to desktop publishing, this is a big plus) 3. Line, fill, patterns (easy to set, change, and adjust) 4. Glass bitmap fills (one of the major reasons I bought it, and please note I have not had the fills fail yet, when I moved an object, they stayed right with it, Associative hatching/filling with AutoCad has been a nasty bug in AutoCad for a good while, maybe AB can sell their solution to AutoDesk) 5. Stretching, resizing, copying, flipping, rotating, tracing bitmaps (all essential and all seem to work, these features alone are worth the pain of learning a Cad program) Some things to keep in mind about Designer. 1. Learning curve. I've just begun, and its going to take a while, plus I'm use to working with AutoCad so the features are located, used, and configured differently. Also the interface is some what different. I've read thru the manual, but with this type of program the only way to learn is by trial and error. 2. Linked glass fills, vs embedded glass fills. On my first pattern I embedded all of the glass bitmap fills in the drawing file. After one file save, that was it. I could not open the file again, it would max out my system resources, (this was not a big pattern either, and only had about 3 bitmaps embedded it in). I redid it and this time, linked the bitmaps, this solved the problem, But with the bitmaps linked and displayed, it really slowed down the performance of the program (to unacceptable levels). I contacted AB about this, they said they did not have a performance problem and were running Designer on a 486. I was running it on a 133 with 16 megs of ram (with Win95 which might be the problem). So the performance problem still might be on my machine, I'll have to keep experimenting with it, before I start complaining to AB again. 3. American Bevel software rights, if you go to their web site bulletin board you can see my question and their response. In a nutshell, if you use the program you can not publish or distribute any patterns you make with it. You strictly are limited to using it to create and sell glass panels. It seems to me that AB is only really interested in selling bevelled glass, and the software is there to help them sell more glass. I'm no businessman, but it seems to me that the more patterns that are out there in their file format, the more software they would sell, plus maybe more glass. I kind of would compare it to Microsoft telling a writer that he could not publish an article if he used WORD to create it. Seems like maybe AB hired an former Apple attorney. (Story) I called to order Designer back in June, Version 2 was not available yet and I'm pretty sure (nothing in writing or on tape) that I was quoted about $130. No mention of whether this was wholesale or retail pricing. I really dont think there was a difference then. When I finally got Version 2, AB charged my card $190, I called about this, and was told that this was the retail price, I'm just a hobbist, and not eligible for wholesale pricing. Does this sound fair to anyone? If anyone else has any questions let me know. Thanks Alex Gacic Just a hobbist >From: "Gleason Sackman" >To: >Subject: design software >Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:49:18 -0500 > >Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel? > >Someone has already posted info about GlassEye Software > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 19:50:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Designer software Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:37:53 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.13753.0> Precedence: bulk Almost forgot. In addition to my last review, I was also very impressed with the printing ablities of Designer. It did a nice print to fit, and also centered the full scale pattern on the proper number of pages, with hash marks to line them all up. I did this on my old deskjet printer. What was also nice is that the program pretty much set it up the print requirements on its own. Alex Gacic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 20:04:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "D. B. Theunissen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lurkers and archives Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.174155.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981010062721.3117c7d2@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Hi > > My name is Bethan and I started 'doing glass' just three weeks ago. I have > finished a window and have two others ready for saldering. I also have cut > the pieces for a lamp. I am hooked and completely excited about it all. > > I somehow got myself onto this list, and was also initially surprised by > how little glass discussion there was. Since reading the debate that seems > to have polarized into' strict glass conversation' versus 'more personal > comments' notion in some minds, (which is not what the persons complaining > were saying as far as I could see), I have become familiar with the fact > that there are archives somewhere. In order not to annoy everyone with my > questions, I would love to read them. However I have managed to lose, or > never received any information telling me how to go about accessing these. > > If there is a subscription notice or FAQ sheet anywhere, or any kinds of > instructions, I would love to receive it (again if I lost it) Sorry to be a > pain. > > Thanks > Bethan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can go to the bungi archive at http://www.bungi.com it's normally more glass active then this. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 20:19:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thank you and bits Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:58:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199810100204.DAA31570@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, ....and Thank you Lynn. How very kind of you! I too will look forward to meeting up with you! I hope this may not sound silly to you "Across the Pond", but in this last week I have a map of USA spread over my dining-room table and as I read your e-mails, I try to figure out where you are all located in USA. Of the people I now quite well, I have plotted out more accurately where they are. (....and my map is STILL too small to find Peggy.... will have to go get a larger scale map...) Would it be possible for you to sort of... kind of... add your locations for a while, when you send e-mails into Bungi??? It would help me to get a better scale of things... I am probably almost as hazy about where in USA Arizona is, as Lynn is about the whereabouts of Hertfordshire in UK....... A new crop of students.... a new crop of home-made tools. Last week was price-less! One of my students had already spent a sort of "activity week-end" somewhere, doing small projects in stained glass and decided THIS was for HER!!. The first week I showed them the very basic tools, what was required, where to get them, how much... and so on. The second week, said student arrived with a lovingly crafted home-made tool consisting out of a bolt and nut, made by her husband. I won't say anymore.... I hope to bring a second "prototype" with me to USA (what WILL the US Customs people make of my strange collection of tools & bits.... ;-> ???). Can I have MORE ideas please!! You seem to be trailing off!? We have a HARD 10 months ahead of us. Get your thinking caps on! ....And who will measure up Lynn for the "tu-tu..".??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Lynn in Arizona (somewhere?) wrote: > 2 things: First, I would love to see Elizabeth over here, and would make > a special out-of-state trip to Warner to meet her. Second, I have a > subscription to Glass Patterns Quarterly, ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 20:41:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "D. B. Theunissen" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Lurkers and archives Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 22:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: <199810100225.WAA18993@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Bethan, Welcome to Bungi. I share your excitement for glass, and I've been doing it for more than 11 years. Hopefully your love for it will stay fresh also, and every morning you'll think, "What will I be doing with it today?" You have certainly worked like a beaver in just three weeks! The archives are available at http://www.bungi.com/glass. I understand they are in the process of being updated and made more user-friendly - if you have any questions you could contact Albert Lewis at alewis@vgernet.net and I'm sure he'll be glad to help you. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 21:13:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com, lcbell@memach.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.165224.0> Precedence: bulk > Yeah, Mike, > > Stray, that's the word that describes it. I too seem to have more control > with the head rigid. I thought maybe it was a technique that took practice. > > Linda > > My wheel swivels, and it is all I have ever known. I cant imagine cutting with a wheel that was rigid. Guess it is whatever you are used to. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 21:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:16:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.191626.0> References: <<1998Oct9.131649.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Nancy, I've found that Canfield Copper patina does not do as well as Novacan 'Super-Brite' , but with either brand you must put on the copper patina as soon after soldering as you possibly can. Black can go on fine over well washed solder even days after (rewash just before) but to do good copper has to go on immediately. On smaller pieces I've even re-soldered if it has been more than 8 hours. Just re-flux, and go over your solder lines again. Then you get the 'bright penny' look. Wax immediately, I like Rain Dance Premium Liquid Wax car wax (high carnuba content) the best of several I've tried. Also get better results with Fry Classic 60/40 or Canfield Ultimate Solders. It costs just a bit more, but the results are much better. Since I do shows and some inventory 'holds over' I don't like to have to re-polish pieces between shows. The above products do so well, I don't have to spend time re-doing pieces. That to me is worth the difference in price , IMHO. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > Nancy Bean wrote: > > > > Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven > > Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any > > help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 22:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: American Bevel Designer Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:44:54, -0500 Message-ID: <199810100344.XAA08724@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Thanks for the info. Is there any major difference between I and II? Thanks. Fargo, ND<< American Bevel Designer l comes on two 3.5" disks & works with Win 3. 1 & Win 95. Designer ll comes on a CD & works with Win 95 and NT. It is also a 32 bit program. I run Win 95 and so, as it turns out, did not need to upgrade to Designer ll. It may well be faster but not so I can tell. I know of no program changes that effect designing, etc.. Available libraries are Spectrum & Kokomo Glass and a disk with 50 flowers. A large church oriented library is in the works. All libraries work with both versions of Designer. There is no Mac version of Designer. A reference to being able to run Designer with Mac is made on the Billboard but I wonder if it is correct. For anyone that missed the previous posts on this subject you can download a demo copy at: http://www.americanbevel.com. It is about 1 meg and will not print or save. It is Designer l and so will work with Win 3.1 & Win 95 only. There is also a billboard at the site for Designer. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 22:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: suzy@ComCAT.COM Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.203041.0> References: <<199810090150.VAA28109@uz.comcat.com>> Precedence: bulk There is only one product I have seen that will remove such a stain. It is from Novacan and is called "The Stain Remover That Really Works". This stuff is powerful chemistry however and should be used with care. I used it to take old rust stains out of a pure cotton shirt, but when it spilled on the synthetic rug on my cutting table the rug melted! Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Thu, 8 Oct 98 21:46:27 -0400 "suzy@comcat.com" writes: >>On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the >glass >>after >>I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, >but looks >>more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I >patina, I >>use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using >too >>much? >>Thanks again, >>Susan > >Susan, did you get the patina right off after you scrubbed it into the > >solder? If you leave patina on too long it can stain the glass and the > >stain looks just as you described. I know from sad experience. I never > >did get it off... >Sorry, Suzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 22:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: lcbell@memach.com Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:27:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.202719.0> References: <<1998Oct9.64844.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda, The main purpose of the swivel head on a glass cutter is to minimize the skill required to sucessfully score against a ruler. Even if your hand goes out of alignment a couple of full degrees, as long as the head is pressed tightly against the ruler it will continue to track straight rather than drag and scratch the glass rather than score it. For freehand pattern cutting your are in better control if you lock the head up. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:48:44 -0400 Linda Campbell writes: >Bungians > >My Fletcher cutter has a removable head that will flip 180 degrees. >One >way the head is rigid, the other way the head swivels. I have always >kept >in the rigid mode. I do a lot of straight cuts for boxes and such. >This >works great. > >I assume the swivel mode is for curvey cuts but it kind of rides like >a >bent wheel bicycle - it could be me but the major difficulty is that >the >angle and location of the cutting wheel in the swivel mode makes it >difficult for me to see where it's going. The Wheel is to the front of >the >head when in the rigid mode and in the rear of the head when in the >swivel >mode. Am I missing something? Does swivel mode have a purpose? > >Thanks, > >Still learning, > >Linda Campbell > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 23:12:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:35:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.203518.0> References: <<1998Oct9.95224.0>> Precedence: bulk One other note about the patina thing. Don't take the act of steel wooling solder lightly. Fine steel wool will liberate massive amounts of toxic lead dust. If you pursue this course be sure to do it with everything well wetted down to control the dust and wear rubber gloves. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 23:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: nancyclayb@erols.com Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.202422.0> References: <<1998Oct9.63338.0>> Precedence: bulk Nancy, Too much patina on the panel will cause it to continue to "move". As the electrolitic action deposits copper in one place it will lift it from another resulting in a spotty finish. Try applying your patina with a small piece of terrycloth that has been dipped in the patina, then wring it out thoroughly before rubbing vigorously on your solder lines. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:33:38 -0500 Nancy Bean writes: >Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and >uneven >Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate >any >help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy >---- > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 23:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: agacic@hotmail.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: design software Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:16:13, -0500 Message-ID: <199810100416.AAA08736@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I called to order Designer back in June, Version 2 was not available yet and I'm pretty sure (nothing in writing or on tape) that I was quoted about $130. No mention of whether this was wholesale or retail pricing. I really dont think there was a difference then. When I finally got Version 2, AB charged my card $190, I called about this, and was told that this was the retail price, I'm just a hobbist, and not eligible for wholesale pricing. Does this sound fair to anyone?<< There has been a horrible mistake here. The upgrade to Designer ll is $50.00. You must return the original 3.5" disk one to get this price. I am not overly pleased with their customer service but I am sure they are honest. Contact them and they are sure to make it right. You may have seen my post on the Designer Billboard about Designer enlarging a project when H came borders are used. Example: a 10" X 20" project with 1/2" H came border will come out 10 1/2" X 20 1/2". Makes it hard to install. I had advised of this problem over a year ago and felt certain it would be corrected in Designer ll. It was not and their answer to my recent post on the billboard gave me no satisfaction. Other reported problems were not corrected. Thanks for your very informative post. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 9 23:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Suzanne" Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:50:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.15506.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, You put a smile on my face. My wheel swivels as well and I too had no idea that it could be rigid. My cutter is a Japan Toyo TC-600 oil hand cutter. Is it possible for this to be changed to a rigid status. Sure would appreciate it if anyone would be able to advice me on how to change it to a rigid only wheel if possible. Also, for the last year I have not been able to get the oil feeder to work. It used to leak all the time so I guess I should be happy that I no longer have that problem. I just dip it into a jar with cutting oill and of course a cloth to keep from damaging the wheel. Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott for Elisabeth in UK: I'm in Edmonds, Washington (just north of Seattle, south of Carol Swann and north of Pam Burns-Tappan and not far from Spectrum Stained Glass) -----Original Message----- . >> >> Linda >> >> > >My wheel swivels, and it is all I have ever known. I cant imagine >cutting with a wheel that was rigid. Guess it is whatever you are >used to. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 00:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Doug Parrott" Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.224849.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Cheryl, I used chime sets from a woodworking catalog. Often they have kits with all the works for woodworking projects (patterns, hardware, etc.), but they also sell the components separately in lots of 6, 12, 24. Their the long tube style of 5 chimes in various lengths, I also buy the black cord & brass tacks they recommend for stringing them. I use a wood dowel to hang the chime set from and basically just hang that off of a large glass suncatcher. I don't have the catalog handy right now, but it has a lot of wood patterns for stuff like birdfeeders, mailbox covers, yard signs, and those funny little crows. I will post the name of the cat. at a later date, have to finish a wedding gift by tomorrow. Karen K. >I am curios as to how you made the windchimes and what you used for the >chimes. I hope you won't mind sharing. >thanks, >Cheryl Parrott >The Glass Parrott >bird_cage@msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 01:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: OzEmail.com.au!JanASGLA From: Albion Glass To: "'glass@bungi.com.'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: membership Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:53:00 +-1000 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.7530.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I have heard about your group from friend, and would like to join. Jan. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 04:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:16:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.101610.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks and Bungies, For the price you paid for the cutter, I would empty the reservoir, wash with hot soapy water, rinse and rinse again and perhaps use some alcohol to further cut the oil. Then I would use a good epoxy glue on both the inside and outside of the cutter and give it time to set properly. Mike's idea, checking out hobby shops for special glues, is also a very good idea. Good Luck! Lenore (formerly Eleanor) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 04:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: nancyclayb@erols.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:23:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.102338.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Nancy, So many people (including myself) have had this complaint regarding copper patina being splotchy and appearing ugly when applied to solder seams!! My solution has been to clean, clean, clean the piece with a soft scrub brush in a bath of hot soapy water. When you think it is clean, then clean it again. Rinse thoroughly using your hand or a cloth to better get the soap off, dry and immediately apply patina. Works for me everytime. BTW, I always use a cleaner first (the Ultimate or P.J.'s) before the bath. Hope this helps! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 05:28:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: ElsieTurqman@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not Glass - Cancer research stamp Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:02:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.11244.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Elsie, Thanks for filling me and all bungies in on the cancer research stamp! I will be sure to purchase some stamps today for the cause and mention it to my friends. More money needs to go to research for this dreadful disease. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 05:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: bird_cage@email.msn.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:14:21 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.111421.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Cheryl and Bungies, The Toyo can be converted to stay rigid by unscrewing the screw that holds the head (with wheel attached) in place. After unscrewing, play with turning the head and you should be able to make it rigid. My cutter was made rigid quite awhile ago, so I am a bit hazy on the details, however, if you play with it you should get the results you want. Hope this helps. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 05:55:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: giapet@softhouse.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:18:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.11189.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Karen and Bungies, I too am interested in the woodworkers sets you mentioned for use with wind chimes. As soon as you finish the wedding present could you find some time to get the address for the company and post on bungi? TIA! Lenore PS-How was the wedding? What glass gift did you give? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 06:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: drilling holes in glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:27:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.212730.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all I am planning on making some clocks and would like to drill a hole in the glass for the clock works. What do I need to drill the hole. Is there a special type of bit to purchase which I can use in a regular electric drill. A few years back, like maybe 15 a friend of mine had a bit that went on the top of her grinder which she used to drill holes. I have an old Glastar grinder- the kind that doesn't have a drain....ich.... I hate dumping the water out of that sucker and cleaning it out.. Anyway, is that what I need to drill the holes or can i purchase a drill bit for an actual drill Am I making sense? I am hoping to get to the wholesaler in the morning. Well, I should say in a few hours. It is 4:20 am(PST) and unfortunately I just can't get to sleep. Also, is there any particular type of clock works that you would recommend over another? Thanks in advance. Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott (Edmonds, Washington- just north of Seattle) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 06:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:41:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct9.214149.0> Precedence: bulk Lenore & Bob, I am too excited for words. I now have a rigid cutter. Yea!!! I hate to say how long I have been working with a swivel head cutter not realizing I could change it to rigid. Guess I should have read directions... oops. Now I can do cuts without having to put one finger along the cutter head to stabilize it. Hope I can break that habit real quick. Thanks for your help Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: bird_cage@email.msn.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 4:14 AM Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. >Dear Cheryl and Bungies, >The Toyo can be converted to stay rigid by unscrewing the screw that holds the >head (with wheel attached) in place. After unscrewing, play with turning the >head and you should be able to make it rigid. My cutter was made rigid quite >awhile ago, so I am a bit hazy on the details, however, if you play with it >you should get the results you want. Hope this helps. >Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 06:40:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copper Patina-OPPS Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.41640.0> References: <<1998Oct9.191626.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Forgot to say the washing cycle, don't forget that/ Joy/baking soda work best, have no grease ( moisturizer) in the Joy. I like the little scrubby pads for washing, and cut the usual size into two pieces. Then wash again with CJ's Flux and patina remover, then while object is still hot from washing (I pat dry quickly with paper towels) apply the patina with a piece cut from the big sponge block. I get the big sponge blocks at Home Depot (cellulose type) for cheep, and cut stuff I need from the blocks (patina applicator, sponge for grinder, etc.) Since the patina will eat the bit of sponge, just trash it after. Also, my birds like to pick up stuff, so be really careful in disposal, or leaving around your work area/kitchen etc. My studio is a "No Poop" zone, (If you have birds, you know what that means :-) ), but since they fly they zip in occasionally. they love the bright shiny stuff, so like kids, with pets, you have to be careful. leestat7 wrote: > > Hi Nancy, > > I've found that Canfield Copper patina does not do as well as Novacan > 'Super-Brite' , but with either brand you must put on the copper patina > as soon after soldering as you possibly can. Black can go on fine over > well washed solder even days after (rewash just before) but to do good > copper has to go on immediately. On smaller pieces I've even > re-soldered if it has been more than 8 hours. Just re-flux, and go over > your solder lines again. Then you get the 'bright penny' look. Wax > immediately, I like Rain Dance Premium Liquid Wax car wax (high carnuba > content) the best of several I've tried. Also get better results with > Fry Classic 60/40 or Canfield Ultimate Solders. It costs just a bit > more, but the results are much better. Since I do shows and some > inventory 'holds over' I don't like to have to re-polish pieces between > shows. The above products do so well, I don't have to spend time > re-doing pieces. That to me is worth the difference in price , IMHO. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > Nancy Bean wrote: > > > > > > Whenever I use my copper patina, the results are somewhat splotchy and uneven > > > Does anyone know what causes this? How can I correct it? Appreciate any > > > help/suggestions. Thanks, Nancy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 10:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patina stain? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.54248.0> References: <<1998Oct9.203041.0>> Precedence: bulk dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: > > There is only one product I have seen that will remove such a stain. It > is from Novacan and is called "The Stain Remover That Really Works". > > This stuff is powerful chemistry however and should be used with care. I > used it to take old rust stains out of a pure cotton shirt, but when it > spilled on the synthetic rug on my cutting table the rug melted! > > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs > > http://www.dodgestudio.com > > On Thu, 8 Oct 98 21:46:27 -0400 "suzy@comcat.com" > writes: > >>On my quilt panel, I noticed a "stain" was left on a piece of the > >glass > >>after > >>I used patina and kempro polishing stuff. It's not really a stain, > >but looks > >>more like a wet spot that won't come off. Any suggestions? When I > >patina, I > >>use an old tooth brush and scrub it into the solder. Could I be using > >too > >>much? > >>Thanks again, > >>Susan > > > >Susan, did you get the patina right off after you scrubbed it into the > > > >solder? If you leave patina on too long it can stain the glass and the > > > >stain looks just as you described. I know from sad experience. I never > > > >did get it off... > >Sorry, Suzy > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the stuff must contain petroleum distilits (SP?) that kind stuff tends to eat anything plastic... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 10:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: bird_cage@email.msn.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:15:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.131528.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sleepless in (just north of) Seattle - I don't know how to do this myself, but I remember there was a thread a month or two ago on the subject. You might want to check the dreaded archives because I know there were a bunch of suggestions, which will probably be given to you again but if you're in a hurry.... Brenda South Florida - east coast between Ft. Lauderdale and Miami In a message dated 10/10/98 9:07:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bird_cage@email.msn.com writes: << Subj: drilling holes in glass Date: 10/10/98 9:07:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: bird_cage@email.msn.com (Doug Parrott) To: Glass@bungi.com Hi all I am planning on making some clocks and would like to drill a hole in the glass for the clock works. What do I need to drill the hole. Is there a special type of bit to purchase which I can use in a regular electric drill. A few years back, like maybe 15 a friend of mine had a bit that went on the top of her grinder which she used to drill holes. I have an old Glastar grinder- the kind that doesn't have a drain....ich.... I hate dumping the water out of that sucker and cleaning it out.. Anyway, is that what I need to drill the holes or can i purchase a drill bit for an actual drill Am I making sense? I am hoping to get to the wholesaler in the morning. Well, I should say in a few hours. It is 4:20 am(PST) and unfortunately I just can't get to sleep. Also, is there any particular type of clock works that you would recommend over another? Thanks in advance. Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott (Edmonds, Washington- just north of Seattle) >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:08:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "intrastar list" Subject: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.61351.0> Precedence: bulk Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back and forth to crafts sales in the dishwasher. I would not use the dry cycle, think it's to hot.. What about the soap? What about using baking soda instead of soap? Read that some of you use baking soda on glass, I know it will to a handy-dandy job of cleaning the marks off your walls. I don't want to do anything to dull or stain the lead came or solder lines but need to clean up the glass itself. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:09:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:46:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.54633.0> References: <<1998Oct9.15506.0>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > Suzanne, > > You put a smile on my face. My wheel swivels as well and I too had no idea > that it could be rigid. > > My cutter is a Japan Toyo TC-600 oil hand cutter. Is it possible for this > to be changed to a rigid status. Sure would appreciate it if anyone would > be able to advice me on how to change it to a rigid only wheel if possible. > > Also, for the last year I have not been able to get the oil feeder to > work. It used to leak all the time so I guess I should be happy that I no > longer have that problem. I just dip it into a jar with cutting oill and > of course a cloth to keep from damaging the wheel. > > Cheryl Parrott > The Glass Parrott > for Elisabeth in UK: I'm in Edmonds, Washington (just north of Seattle, > south of Carol Swann and north of Pam Burns-Tappan and not far from Spectrum > Stained Glass) > -----Original Message----- > . > >> > >> Linda > >> > >> > > > >My wheel swivels, and it is all I have ever known. I cant imagine > >cutting with a wheel that was rigid. Guess it is whatever you are > >used to. > > > >Tulsa Suzanne > >-- > >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > >---- i'm not sure if toya cutters or pistol grip cutters can be switched to a ridgid posistion. i don't think it's designed for it. as for leaking, i always thought that most toya pencil grip used the wick system.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:51:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.55011.0> References: <<1998Oct9.214149.0>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > Lenore & Bob, > > I am too excited for words. I now have a rigid cutter. Yea!!! I hate to > say how long I have been working with a swivel head cutter not realizing I > could change it to rigid. Guess I should have read directions... oops. Now > I can do cuts without having to put one finger along the cutter head to > stabilize it. Hope I can break that habit real quick. > > Thanks for your help > > Cheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: Yegnim@aol.com > To: bird_cage@email.msn.com ; glass@bungi.com > > Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. > > >Dear Cheryl and Bungies, > >The Toyo can be converted to stay rigid by unscrewing the screw that holds > the > >head (with wheel attached) in place. After unscrewing, play with turning > the > >head and you should be able to make it rigid. My cutter was made rigid > quite > >awhile ago, so I am a bit hazy on the details, however, if you play with it > >you should get the results you want. Hope this helps. > >Lenore > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i always keep a finger on it, it helps you steer it. i founf this is the best way to accuratly do curves. it allows me a constant pressure, keeps the head straight, and guides the cut. though i don't use the techique on straight cuts. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:23:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "NorthernLights" , Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:56:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.55644.0> Precedence: bulk >I too am interested in the woodworkers sets you mentioned for use >with wind chimes. As soon as you finish the wedding present could >you find some time to get the address for the company and post on >bungi? TIA! >Lenore >PS-How was the wedding? What glass gift did you give. ........................................................................... >Hey Karen, I'm also VERY interested in the windchime thing and the >catalog...will be looking forward to seeing your post on the address, >etc. >Good luck with the wedding! ............................................................................ Going thru my catalogs with morning coffee, didn't want to keep you'all waiting. I found two sources, MEISEL HARDWARE SPECIALTIES; PO Box 70: Mound, MN: 55364-0070: 1-800-441-9870. They carry the large ones. For smaller ones contact NATIONAL ARTCRAFT Co. 7976 Darrow Rd. , Twinsburg, OH 44087. 1-330-963-6011. This co. has several catagories: ceramics, clocks, doll making, musical, & electrical. They also just came out with wrought iron table legs that I think would work nice for mosaic tables. Wedding gift is two lovebirds sitting on a branch facing each other. Thought about perching them on a white ribbon, but decided that the branch with leaves would have lasting appeal. Will probably add a background heart made of twisted wire or narrow irid. glass, still just winging it at this point ( Me, not the birds-their done). In two weeks my husbands aunt & uncle are celebrating their 50th., will do the same lovebirds and add the ribbon and the five-O for that gift. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:25:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Bio# 62 Douglas Ray Terry Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.17735.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDF49A.62B1C3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lurker Bio.......... of Douglas Ray Terry (From the Alps of Oregon)=20 :-) I've always enjoyed building and repairing things. The first large project was my first car, 1930 Desoto (total cost $60) :-) when I was 9-10 years old, and once I got it going, I had a great time on all the back roads in my rural area.(gas @ $0.24 gallon) ;-> I am the third son of a family of a father, step-mother, mother, half-brother, step-brother, step-sister, brother, brother, brother. =20 I was born in Northeast Oregon in a small rural farming community.=20 When I was eleven, my parents divorced and I moved to Colorado for a short time and then to Montana. Went to high school in Thompson Falls, Montana, which is a logging community located in Western Montana. I wanted to be an architect, but dropped out because of money after only two quarters. Went to Seattle to make my fortune, but ended up putting interiors into airplanes for a year. Married my high school sweetheart and moved back to Montana.=20 I started a small furniture manufacturing business, promptly went bankrupt (eventually paid all the bills). Was given a job by my parents working in a mattress factory in Great Falls, Montana. A couple years later, I purchased a small Tent & Awning shop, which ended up being successful, built a wide-range of custom items from, slings to haul bighorn sheep out of the wilderness under a helicopter, to boat tops, and semi truck covers. A few years later, I ended up buying the mattress factory. =20 In the 22 years that I lived in Great Falls, I had a lot of fun taking adult education night classes - stained glass, oil and water painting, sculpting, woodworking, lathe work, welding, etc, etc, all things that I was hungry to learn, because the schools I had attended had no art classes whatsoever. Also, went to boot school and learned how to make hiking and cowboys boots. =20 Also, during this time, in 1970, I had a son, in 1976, I had twin daughters, designed and built an underground self-sufficient home 1,240 square feet (and when I say built, I mean built - not hire a contractor). On the sale of my businesses(1990), we moved back to the Enterprise, Oregon, area. I took a job in a sand foundry casting aluminum and bronze and finished tooling them (made some bronze chandeliers that hang in the Treasury Department in Washington, D.C.). I heard of a person locally that was blowing glass which sounded like a fascinating thing to learn. I looked him up and asked if he would need any help. He said he needed help, but didn't pay for it, and I said, OK, so I could learn, I soon learned he had only taken an introductory class, and was near a novice too. So with those basics, I started reading, stopping to watch anyone I could find that would let me, and, practice, practice. After five years, we are now partners in the Hot Shop. I've built most of the hand tools and many of the bigger items, except for the main melt furnace and the first original glory hole. I'm happy to say that one day, hopefully soon, I will actually be making a living from glass as I now have my work in four galleries in Oregon, and a new small chain called Your Northwest Stores. I make blown vessels, vases, candy dishes, plates and platters, marbles, and paperweights with inclusions and plain, do a small amount of fusing, and torch work and always want to learn more. =20 My very best work, mostly to my wife's credit, is our children. Our son lives in Norway with his wife and our granddaughter. They met when he was in the service and after he was discharged, she came over here, and used her wiley ways to get him to go back to Norway. :-) One of our daughters, after being a Rotary exchange student to Japan, went back after graduating from college and is teaching English, in Japanese high schools (she speaks and reads & writes it) . Our other daughter is getting her Masters degree in teaching and is student teaching in junior highs and high schools in Eugene Oregon. My wife of 30 years is the District Attorney's assistant in Wallowa County.=20 As I believe I read on this board once, or one of the other boards I read,.... just a glob of glass on the floor is beautiful, so someone such as I can't make is ugly, but I do love to play with glass.=20 I'm sure this is much more than you wanted to know. Doug Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDF49A.62B1C3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lurker Bio.......... of  Douglas Ray Terry (From the Alps of = Oregon)=20
:-)
I've always enjoyed building and repairing things.  The = first=20 large
project was my first car, 1930 Desoto (total cost $60) :-) when = I=20 was
9-10 years old, and once I got it going, I had a great time on = all=20 the
back roads in my rural area.(gas @ $0.24 gallon) ;->
I am = the third=20 son of a family of a father, step-mother, mother,
half-brother, = step-brother,=20 step-sister, brother, brother, brother.  
I was born in = Northeast=20 Oregon in a small rural farming community.
When I was eleven, my = parents=20 divorced and I moved to Colorado for a
short time and then to = Montana. =20 Went to high school in Thompson Falls,
Montana, which is a logging = community=20 located in Western Montana.  I
wanted to be an architect, but = dropped=20 out because of money after only
two quarters.  Went to Seattle = to make=20 my fortune, but ended up putting
interiors into airplanes for a = year. =20 Married my high school sweetheart
and moved back to Montana.
I = started a=20 small furniture manufacturing business, promptly went
bankrupt = (eventually=20 paid all the bills).  Was given a job by my parents
working in a = mattress factory in Great Falls, Montana.  A couple years
later, = I=20 purchased a small Tent & Awning shop, which ended up = being
successful,=20 built a wide-range of custom items from, slings to haul
bighorn sheep = out of=20 the wilderness under a helicopter, to  boat tops,
and semi truck = covers.  A few years later, I ended up buying the
mattress=20 factory. 
In the 22 years that I lived in Great Falls, I had a = lot of=20 fun taking
adult education night classes - stained glass, oil and = water=20 painting,
sculpting, woodworking, lathe work, welding, etc, etc, all = things=20 that I
was hungry to learn, because the schools  I had attended = had no=20 art
classes whatsoever.  Also, went to boot school and learned = how to=20 make
hiking and cowboys boots. 
Also, during this time, in = 1970, I=20 had a son, in 1976, I had twin
daughters, designed and built an = underground=20 self-sufficient home 1,240
square feet (and when I say built, I mean = built -=20 not hire a
contractor).
On the sale of my businesses(1990), we = moved back=20 to the Enterprise,
Oregon, area.  I took a job in a sand foundry = casting=20 aluminum and
bronze and finished tooling them (made some bronze = chandeliers=20 that hang
in the Treasury Department in Washington, D.C.).  I = heard of a=20 person
locally that was blowing glass which sounded like a = fascinating thing=20 to
learn.  I looked him up and asked if he would need any = help.  He=20 said he
needed help, but didn't pay for it, and I said, OK, so I = could learn,=20 I
soon learned he had only taken an introductory class, and was near=20 a
novice too. So with those basics, I started reading, stopping to=20 watch
anyone I could find that would let me,  and, practice,=20 practice.  After
five years, we are now partners in the Hot = Shop. =20 I've built most of the
hand tools and many of the bigger items, = except for=20 the main melt
furnace and the first original glory hole.  I'm = happy to=20 say that one
day, hopefully soon, I will actually be making a living = from=20 glass as I
now have my work in four galleries in Oregon, and a new = small=20 chain
called Your Northwest Stores.  I make blown vessels, = vases,=20 candy
dishes, plates and platters, marbles, and paperweights with=20 inclusions
and plain, do a small amount of fusing, and torch work and = always=20 want
to learn more. 
My very best work, mostly to my wife's = credit,=20 is our children.  Our
son lives in Norway with his wife and our=20 granddaughter.  They met when
he was in the service and after he = was=20 discharged, she came over here,
and used her wiley  ways to get = him to=20 go back to Norway. :-) One of our
daughters, after being a Rotary = exchange=20 student to Japan, went back
after graduating from college and is = teaching=20 English, in Japanese high
schools (she speaks and reads & writes = it)=20 .  Our other daughter is
getting her Masters degree in teaching = and is=20 student teaching in junior
highs and high schools in Eugene = Oregon.  My=20 wife of 30 years is the
District Attorney's assistant in Wallowa = County.=20
As I believe I read on this board once, or one of the other boards=20 I
read,.... just a glob of glass on the floor is beautiful, so=20 someone
such as I can't make is ugly,  but I do love to play = with glass.=20
I'm sure this is much more than you wanted to know.
Doug Terry = (From the=20 Alps of Oregon)
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDF49A.62B1C3C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:47:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 62 Douglas Ray Terry (Plain Text) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.172048.0> Precedence: bulk Lurker Bio.......... of Douglas Ray Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) :-) I've always enjoyed building and repairing things. The first large project was my first car, 1930 Desoto (total cost $60) :-) when I was 9-10 years old, and once I got it going, I had a great time on all the back roads in my rural area.(gas @ $0.24 gallon) ;-> I am the third son of a family of a father, step-mother, mother, half-brother, step-brother, step-sister, brother, brother, brother. I was born in Northeast Oregon in a small rural farming community. When I was eleven, my parents divorced and I moved to Colorado for a short time and then to Montana. Went to high school in Thompson Falls, Montana, which is a logging community located in Western Montana. I wanted to be an architect, but dropped out because of money after only two quarters. Went to Seattle to make my fortune, but ended up putting interiors into airplanes for a year. Married my high school sweetheart and moved back to Montana. I started a small furniture manufacturing business, promptly went bankrupt (eventually paid all the bills). Was given a job by my parents working in a mattress factory in Great Falls, Montana. A couple years later, I purchased a small Tent & Awning shop, which ended up being successful, built a wide-range of custom items from, slings to haul bighorn sheep out of the wilderness under a helicopter, to boat tops, and semi truck covers. A few years later, I ended up buying the mattress factory. In the 22 years that I lived in Great Falls, I had a lot of fun taking adult education night classes - stained glass, oil and water painting, sculpting, woodworking, lathe work, welding, etc, etc, all things that I was hungry to learn, because the schools I had attended had no art classes whatsoever. Also, went to boot school and learned how to make hiking and cowboys boots. Also, during this time, in 1970, I had a son, in 1976, I had twin daughters, designed and built an underground self-sufficient home 1,240 square feet (and when I say built, I mean built - not hire a contractor). On the sale of my businesses(1990), we moved back to the Enterprise, Oregon, area. I took a job in a sand foundry casting aluminum and bronze and finished tooling them (made some bronze chandeliers that hang in the Treasury Department in Washington, D.C.). I heard of a person locally that was blowing glass which sounded like a fascinating thing to learn. I looked him up and asked if he would need any help. He said he needed help, but didn't pay for it, and I said, OK, so I could learn, I soon learned he had only taken an introductory class, and was near a novice too. So with those basics, I started reading, stopping to watch anyone I could find that would let me, and, practice, practice. After five years, we are now partners in the Hot Shop. I've built most of the hand tools and many of the bigger items, except for the main melt furnace and the first original glory hole. I'm happy to say that one day, hopefully soon, I will actually be making a living from glass as I now have my work in four galleries in Oregon, and a new small chain called Your Northwest Stores. I make blown vessels, vases, candy dishes, plates and platters, marbles, and paperweights with inclusions and plain, do a small amount of fusing, and torch work and always want to learn more. My very best work, mostly to my wife's credit, is our children. Our son lives in Norway with his wife and our granddaughter. They met when he was in the service and after he was discharged, she came over here, and used her wiley ways to get him to go back to Norway. :-) One of our daughters, after being a Rotary exchange student to Japan, went back after graduating from college and is teaching English, in Japanese high schools (she speaks and reads & writes it) . Our other daughter is getting her Masters degree in teaching and is student teaching in junior highs and high schools in Eugene Oregon. My wife of 30 years is the District Attorney's assistant in Wallowa County. As I believe I read on this board once, or one of the other boards I read,.... just a glob of glass on the floor is beautiful, so someone such as I can't make is ugly, but I do love to play with glass. I'm sure this is much more than you wanted to know. Doug Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #61 Elsie Turqman (plain text) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:22:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.172214.0> Precedence: bulk I was born in Brooklyn, NY in 1935 and lived in the same house until I married in 1961. After graduating from Fort Hamilton HS I attended Kathar= ine Gibbs School in NY City (Manhattan) and then worked there for 9 years as Import Manager and Bookkeeper for Standard Triumph Mtr Co. The company imported British Triumph TR-2 & 3 sports cars and small sedans. Retired f= rom paid employment in 1963 to await the arrival of my first child and only s= on, our identical twin daughters were born in 1966 and another daughter born = in 1969. We now boast of three grandchildren, boys 7 & 8 and the princess of the family Victoria aged 19 months. Some time around 1969, to talk to adults, I took an evening class in stai= ned glass taught by Kay Weiner, and started to make suncatchers for gifts. Wh= en my Twin Mothers Club hosted a statewide convention for other clubs, along with others types of crafters, I demonstrated how to make suncatchers. Mu= ch to my surprise everyone wanted to buy them and I was then launched into t= he craft show circuit. I stayed with it until the early '80's when I returne= d to full time employment (to support my kids through college). For the nex= t 10+ years I was with a consulting firm at Payroll and Billing Manager. During this time someone convinced me I should get my college degree in Accounting, so I attended Fairleigh Dickinson Univ at night and graduated= in 1991 with a B.S in Accounting. In 1993 I was forced into early retirement and have been enjoying myself ever since. My sister-in-law, who I had initiated into stained glass one summer in th= e 1970's, reintroduced me to stained glass, with lessons in grinding and foiling at the beginning of my retirement and I have been happily making lamps and repairing the windows of my brothers Victorian house in Brookly= n ever since. Over the years I have been a volunteer with the Girls Scouts, Boy Scouts = and other youth organizations in town. This year marks the 22nd year I have b= een an Emergency Medical Technician with our townships Volunteer First Aid Squad. We live in small community in the Watchung Hills of North Central = New Jersey. Believe it or not our town still doesn't have a traffic light, bu= t the surrounding towns have plenty of them. This year glass has been put on the back burner as we are working on the wedding of my youngest daughter. She and her fianc=E9e are members of a Renaissance reenactment group and she is planning a Renaissance Wedding. = She is requesting that all the guests dress in period clothes. Advising all t= he family on appropriate garb and making the outfits for the wedding party i= s the first priority of the moment. Elsie Turqman PS This is one of the lost bios, so here is an update. The weather in July co-operated and we had a delightful outdoor wedding i= n a state park. The guests almost without exception came in costume and we al= l enjoyed the good food and (mostly) good music at the reception. This part= y was held in a restored Victorian Hotel, we looked for a castle, but could= n't find one. Although it was wonderful, I won't plan on that much sewing aga= in for a long time. Now it is time to get back to glass and more lamps. As a thank you, by daughter and son in law gave me a pair of Waterford Crystal lamps about 9 inches high. Now I need some ideas for shades. Suggestions gratefully accepted. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:53:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.52130.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the info on Americal Bevel Designer software. It was informative and useful. So is all the info that I have been reading on the list lately. Glad to be aboard. Thanks from a glass 'newbie' :) Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 11:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bios for today Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.172437.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry if you received them twice, "Loose nut behind the wheel". Gone to practice "Nutcracker Suite in my stained glass Tutu. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:08:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Bio #61 Elsie Turqman Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.17454.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDF49A.02BCA3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was born in Brooklyn, NY in 1935 and lived in the same house until I = married in 1961. After graduating from Fort Hamilton HS I attended = Katharine Gibbs School in NY City (Manhattan) and then worked there for = 9 years as Import Manager and Bookkeeper for Standard Triumph Mtr Co. = The company imported British Triumph TR-2 & 3 sports cars and small = sedans. Retired from paid employment in 1963 to await the arrival of my = first child and only son, our identical twin daughters were born in 1966 = and another daughter born in 1969. We now boast of three grandchildren, = boys 7 & 8 and the princess of the family Victoria aged 19 months. Some time around 1969, to talk to adults, I took an evening class in = stained glass taught by Kay Weiner, and started to make suncatchers for = gifts. When my Twin Mothers Club hosted a statewide convention for other = clubs, along with others types of crafters, I demonstrated how to make = suncatchers. Much to my surprise everyone wanted to buy them and I was = then launched into the craft show circuit. I stayed with it until the = early '80's when I returned to full time employment (to support my kids = through college). For the next 10+ years I was with a consulting firm at = Payroll and Billing Manager. During this time someone convinced me I = should get my college degree in Accounting, so I attended Fairleigh = Dickinson Univ at night and graduated in 1991 with a B.S in Accounting. = In 1993 I was forced into early retirement and have been enjoying myself = ever since. My sister-in-law, who I had initiated into stained glass one summer in = the 1970's, reintroduced me to stained glass, with lessons in grinding = and foiling at the beginning of my retirement and I have been happily = making lamps and repairing the windows of my brothers Victorian house in = Brooklyn ever since.=20 Over the years I have been a volunteer with the Girls Scouts, Boy Scouts = and other youth organizations in town. This year marks the 22nd year I = have been an Emergency Medical Technician with our townships Volunteer = First Aid Squad. We live in small community in the Watchung Hills of = North Central New Jersey. Believe it or not our town still doesn't have = a traffic light, but the surrounding towns have plenty of them. This year glass has been put on the back burner as we are working on the = wedding of my youngest daughter. She and her fianc=E9e are members of a = Renaissance reenactment group and she is planning a Renaissance Wedding. = She is requesting that all the guests dress in period clothes. Advising = all the family on appropriate garb and making the outfits for the = wedding party is the first priority of the moment. Elsie Turqman PS This is one of the lost bios, so here is an update. The weather in July co-operated and we had a delightful outdoor wedding = in a state park. The guests almost without exception came in costume and = we all enjoyed the good food and (mostly) good music at the reception. = This party was held in a restored Victorian Hotel, we looked for a = castle, but couldn't find one. Although it was wonderful, I won't plan = on that much sewing again for a long time. Now it is time to get back to = glass and more lamps. As a thank you, by daughter and son in law gave me a pair of Waterford = Crystal lamps about 9 inches high. Now I need some ideas for shades. = Suggestions gratefully accepted. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDF49A.02BCA3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was born in Brooklyn, NY in 1935 and lived in the same house until = I=20 married in 1961. After graduating from Fort Hamilton HS I attended = Katharine=20 Gibbs School in NY City (Manhattan) and then worked there for 9 years as = Import=20 Manager and Bookkeeper for Standard Triumph Mtr Co. The company imported = British=20 Triumph TR-2 & 3 sports cars and small sedans. Retired from paid = employment=20 in 1963 to await the arrival of my first child and only son, our = identical twin=20 daughters were born in 1966 and another daughter born in 1969. We now = boast of=20 three grandchildren, boys 7 & 8 and the princess of the family = Victoria aged=20 19 months.

Some time around 1969, to talk to adults, I took an evening class in = stained=20 glass taught by Kay Weiner, and started to make suncatchers for gifts. = When my=20 Twin Mothers Club hosted a statewide convention for other clubs, along = with=20 others types of crafters, I demonstrated how to make suncatchers. Much = to my=20 surprise everyone wanted to buy them and I was then launched into the = craft show=20 circuit. I stayed with it until the early '80's when I returned to full = time=20 employment (to support my kids through college). For the next 10+ years = I was=20 with a consulting firm at Payroll and Billing Manager. During this time = someone=20 convinced me I should get my college degree in Accounting, so I attended = Fairleigh Dickinson Univ at night and graduated in 1991 with a B.S in=20 Accounting. In 1993 I was forced into early retirement and have been = enjoying=20 myself ever since.

My sister-in-law, who I had initiated into stained glass one summer = in the=20 1970's, reintroduced me to stained glass, with lessons in grinding and = foiling=20 at the beginning of my retirement and I have been happily making lamps = and=20 repairing the windows of my brothers Victorian house in Brooklyn ever = since.=20

Over the years I have been a volunteer with the Girls Scouts, Boy = Scouts and=20 other youth organizations in town. This year marks the 22nd year I have = been an=20 Emergency Medical Technician with our townships Volunteer First Aid = Squad. We=20 live in small community in the Watchung Hills of North Central New = Jersey.=20 Believe it or not our town still doesn't have a traffic light, but the=20 surrounding towns have plenty of them.

This year glass has been put on the back burner as we are working on = the=20 wedding of my youngest daughter. She and her fiancée are members = of a=20 Renaissance reenactment group and she is planning a Renaissance Wedding. = She is=20 requesting that all the guests dress in period clothes. Advising all the = family=20 on appropriate garb and making the outfits for the wedding party is the = first=20 priority of the moment.

Elsie Turqman

PS This is one of the lost bios, so here is an update.

The weather in July co-operated and we had a delightful outdoor = wedding in a=20 state park. The guests almost without exception came in costume and we = all=20 enjoyed the good food and (mostly) good music at the reception. This = party was=20 held in a restored Victorian Hotel, we looked for a castle, but couldn't = find=20 one. Although it was wonderful, I won't plan on that much sewing again = for a=20 long time. Now it is time to get back to glass and more lamps.

As a thank you, by daughter and son in law gave me a pair of = Waterford=20 Crystal lamps about 9 inches high. Now I need some ideas for shades. = Suggestions=20 gratefully accepted.

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDF49A.02BCA3E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:05:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.1651.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/9/98 4:01:37 PM, suzy@ComCAT.COM wrote: >I can visualize our Patrick gliding along a series of wires in Scarlett's >glass dress. >Now, who will play Rhett? Methinks Elisabeth herself. "My dear, I don't >give a damn..." > >Suzy Now THAT'S a role reversal I'd like to see! But seriously, folks, I could see making all kinds of stained-glass "girl clothes" as my own personal artistic and philosophical statement on the female wardrobe. Uncomfortable at best; confining, constricting, and hazardous to one's health (the Chinese with their tiny shoes weren't the only ones to squeeze themselves impossibly: at the height of the Euro-American "wasp-waist" era, a few women actually had one or two lower ribs surgically removed to enable them to lace up more tightly) at worst! Might even leave a few sharp edges here and there on the finished work to emphasize the point (no pun intended. Now, I wonder where I could get a few old clothing-shop mannequins and "My Double" dress forms real cheap........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: careful with that cutter, don't bust it :-( was Re: Oil Evap Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:04:59 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.16459.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for all the helpful suggestions. I bit the bullet and ordered a new cutter yesterday at work. >Have you tried the glue that's used to make plastic models? I've got >a tube here with the brand name "Testors" Cement for Plastic Models? >Might work? > >Shiela I did try some PVC pipe cement (the kind that comes in a metal can with the round fuzzy brush appilcator in the lid). It held for a while then peeled off because of the oil. Testor's also makes a liquid "solvent" glue that's used for plastic models. You paint it on the edges of your pieces with a small brush and it softens the plastic, so when you press the pieces together, the softened plastic "melts together" and fuses the 2 pieces together instead of just sticking them together. That bond should be oil-proof. I do want to try it as soon as I get my new cutter and can take the old one out of service. If it doesn't work, what the hey, I've got a spare head for when the first one wears out (assuming I don't bust the second body!) Sparks p.s. Elisabeth: I'm in Wayne, PA, about 15 miles more-or-less-west of Philadelphia. It's one of the little burgs on the famous Philadelphia "Main Line," so named because the main line of the former Pennsylvania Railroad runs parallel to US30, and a lot of towns sprang up along the way. If you don't see Wayne on your map, look for Paoli (further west on US30) and Bryn Mawr (about half way between Phila. and Paoli, and home of the college that bears its name), and Wayne is about a third of the way out from Bryn Mawr to Paoli. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:16:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Paint on Glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:04:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.16452.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/9/98 7:33:31 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >There are some glass paints by Deca which can be cured in >an oven. They will not last as long as true glass paint fired in >a kiln. There's also "Porcelaine" by Pebeo. You bake it in the oven at 350 [I think that's "gas 4" for our friends across the pond, correct me if I'm wrong :-) ] My concern would be that neither Deka nor Porcelaine would stand up to traffic; eventually they'd wear off. How about using clear glass, painting the face (skin tone and all) on the *reverse* side of the glass and baking it in the oven before placing it in your mold? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Reinforcing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:45:28 +0000 Message-ID: <199810101541.IAA10822@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk I've just received a commission to do a reasonably large window and need some advice on reinforcing please. The window is shaped sort of like the end view of a house. It's 57 inches wide at the bottom, each side is 18 inches high and at its highest point its 27 inches. The design will have straight as well as curved lines running through it and no single piece of glass will be larger than half a square foot. It will be mounted inside a fixed pane sealed unit and will have good support on all sides. Is this enough information? Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981010232803.082f243c@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Thanks for your welcoming comments and assurances that I can ask questions. I have a problem with my computers memory. I keep being shut down with a memory parity error sign, and this keeps happening as I go through the archives. Thanks for the advice about turning a toya cutter into a non-swiveling type. It took two minutes, and mission was accomplished. (Just screw the screw back in on the round side!) Thanks also for the advice about putting a bit of cloth at the bottom of where you keep your cutter! This may save me considerable expense. Now I'll risk asking my questions! I am in the process of getting the basic equipment I need: 1) What it the best surface to get for saldering on? I do not want to wreck my table. 2) Is it better to buy a salderer with a temperature control button on the actual thing, or is it better to use the kind where you have to change the tips? That seems a bit expensive. My studio/supply place recommends a Wheeler salderer where you change the tips, but Inland seems to have one where you don't have to. 3) Is it worth buying one of those foiling machines, or will I do better to learn to foil by hand so that its comes out evenly on both sides. It seems much harder when the glass is darker. I am using black backed foil, and then it is hard to see where the glass is in relation to the foil. 4) That is all I can think of right now. Sorry if all of this stuff is in the archives. I will get to reading them all as soon as I can. Thanks Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk Subject: Re: Thank you and bits Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:29:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.62947.0> References: <<199810100204.DAA31570@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I live in the suburb of St Louis Missouri(Crestwood) If you are 500 miles from me I will see you,with the greatest expectations.....And I will be pleased,Your Bungi friend .......... Don On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:58:14 +0000 "Toby" writes: >Hi All, > ....and Thank you Lynn. How very kind of you! I too will look >forward to meeting up with you! >I hope this may not sound silly to you "Across the Pond", but in this >last week I have a map of USA spread over my dining-room table and as >I read your e-mails, I try to figure out where you are all located in >USA. Of the people I now quite well, I have plotted out more >accurately where they are. (....and my map is STILL too small to >find Peggy.... will have to go get a larger scale map...) > >Would it be possible for you to sort of... kind of... add your >locations for a while, when you send e-mails into Bungi??? >It would help me to get a better scale of things... I am >probably almost as hazy about where in USA Arizona is, as Lynn is >about the whereabouts of Hertfordshire in UK....... > >A new crop of students.... a new crop of home-made tools. Last week >was price-less! One of my students had already spent a sort of >"activity week-end" somewhere, doing small projects in stained glass >and decided THIS was for HER!!. The first week I showed them the >very basic tools, what was required, where to get them, how much... >and so on. The second week, said student arrived with a lovingly >crafted home-made tool consisting out of a bolt and nut, made by her >husband. I won't say anymore.... I hope to bring a second "prototype" >with me to USA (what WILL the US Customs people make of my strange >collection of tools & bits.... ;-> ???). > >Can I have MORE ideas please!! You seem to be trailing off!? >We have a HARD 10 months ahead of us. Get your thinking caps on! >....And who will measure up Lynn for the "tu-tu..".??? >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Lynn in Arizona (somewhere?) wrote: >> 2 things: First, I would love to see Elizabeth over here, and would >make >> a special out-of-state trip to Warner to meet her. Second, I have a >> subscription to Glass Patterns Quarterly, >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.64132.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to you all,in 81 messages,not one about something other than glass... In response to use the swivel or not,I use the pencil grip Toyo and the pistol grip,both with swivel. I have used the Fletcher without the swivel and I prefer the swivel,with my forefinger as a guide... Isn't it wonderful how many of us use different methods, and hopefully reach the same ends?? Don ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: O, and another one! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:49:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981010234234.23dfcdf0@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi I forgot maybe the most important one. How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up after every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping by to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety tricks that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? What do people with children do? Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just seems too obvious to everyone else. Thanks Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.85745.0> Precedence: bulk There are all kinds of diamond bits available. Check with your local stained glass retailer. They aren't too expensive. They come from pin point to 1/2", or even larger. You must keep them lubricated, water is good, when drilling. Inland and Diamond Tech makes, or imports, them. Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 9:19 AM Subject: drilling holes in glass >Hi all > >I am planning on making some clocks and would like to drill a hole in the >glass for the clock works. What do I need to drill the hole. Is there a >special type of bit to purchase which I can use in a regular electric drill. >A few years back, like maybe 15 a friend of mine had a bit that went on >the top of her grinder which she used to drill holes. I have an old Glastar >grinder- the kind that doesn't have a drain....ich.... I hate dumping the >water out of that sucker and cleaning it out.. Anyway, is that what I need >to drill the holes or can i purchase a drill bit for an actual drill Am I >making sense? I am hoping to get to the wholesaler in the morning. >Well, I should say in a few hours. It is 4:20 am(PST) and unfortunately I >just can't get to sleep. > >Also, is there any particular type of clock works that you would recommend >over another? > >Thanks in advance. > >Cheryl Parrott >The Glass Parrott (Edmonds, Washington- just north of Seattle) > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 12:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Drill Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.9152.0> Precedence: bulk By the way, these drill bits will work in a regular hand drill, drill press, some in Dremmel or on grinder heads, if you have the adapter. Arnold ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 13:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "Scott ." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:55:10 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct10.155510.0> Precedence: bulk I have had good luck with the glastar bits. They come in 1/8 and 1/4 and fit in a dremel tool. Another route to go is the sandblasting technique. Just mask off the area, wrap the glass in paper, then with a hole puncher, punch a hole in a piece of thick paper, and lay that on where you want to blast the hole. It takes about three minutes, but you get a nice clean hole. Scott *sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 13:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: RE: Windchime's Chimes Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:56:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.95658.0> Precedence: bulk >I too am interested in the woodworkers sets you mentioned for use >with wind chimes. As soon as you finish the wedding present could >you find some time to get the address for the company and post on >bungi? TIA! >Lenore >PS-How was the wedding? What glass gift did you give. ........................................................................... >Hey Karen, I'm also VERY interested in the windchime thing and the >catalog...will be looking forward to seeing your post on the address, >etc. >Good luck with the wedding! ............................................................................ Going thru my catalogs with morning coffee, didn't want to keep you'all waiting. I found two sources, MEISEL HARDWARE SPECIALTIES; PO Box 70: Mound, MN: 55364-0070: 1-800-441-9870. They carry the large ones. For smaller ones contact NATIONAL ARTCRAFT Co. 7976 Darrow Rd. , Twinsburg, OH 44087. 1-330-963-6011. This co. has several catagories: ceramics, clocks, doll making, musical, & electrical. They also just came out with wrought iron table legs that I think would work nice for mosaic tables. Wedding gift is two lovebirds sitting on a branch facing each other. Thought about perching them on a white ribbon, but decided that the branch with leaves would have lasting appeal. Will probably add a background heart made of twisted wire or narrow irid. glass, still just winging it at this point ( Me, not the birds-their done). In two weeks my husbands aunt & uncle are celebrating their 50th., will do the same lovebirds and add the ribbon and the five-O for that gift. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 13:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "M. Savad" Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:45:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.44523.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, I played around with the cutter earlier this morning and decided that the way I have always done it, with my finger on the cutter head is the best way to cut. I have seen people who just hold the pistol grip with one wand and don't use a finger to guide it and they don't seem to have any problems. But, that just doesn't seem to work for me. So, I agree with you. I've tried and tried the one hand aproach, but I seem to need both hands one to help guide for accuracy. Cheryl Parrott >i always keep a finger on it, it helps you steer it. i founf this is the >best way to accuratly do curves. it allows me a constant pressure, keeps >the head straight, and guides the cut. though i don't use the techique >on straight cuts. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 14:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.113621.0> References: <<1998Oct10.61351.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen K. wrote: > > Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back and forth > to crafts sales in the dishwasher. I would not use the dry cycle, think > it's to hot.. What about the soap? What about using baking soda instead of > soap? Read that some of you use baking soda on glass, I know it will to a > handy-dandy job of cleaning the marks off your walls. I don't want to do > anything to dull or stain the lead came or solder lines but need to clean up > the glass itself. Karen K. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can give it a shot on a few of them. though i predict that the outer edges of the foil will be torn off... and any dagling string or chain will get caught in the sprayer thing. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 14:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.61326.0> Precedence: bulk > >i found holding my breath helps a little too. at least on the expensive >glass with difficult cuts. > >---Mike Savad > Mike, Ya made me laugh on that one. I'm surprised I don't pass out.... I hold my breath often, believe me! Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 15:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Reinforcing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:48:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199810102356.TAA17868@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > It will be mounted inside a fixed pane sealed unit and will have good > support on all sides. That's all the reinforcement you need right there. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 15:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Questions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:48:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199810102357.TAA17879@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > 4) That is all I can think of right now. Sorry if all of this > stuff is in the archives. I will get to reading them all as soon as > I can. Searching the archives is getting easier. I'm in the process of turning each message into its own web page, then indexing them all. At this (early) point, you can go to the Guild's web site at http://www.igga.org/ and click on Search This Site. Since you were asking about soldering, I used the keywords +archive soldering since +archive forces the search engine to find *only bungi.com messages that include the word "soldering." There are 212 messages and they all mention soldering. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 16:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:54:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199810102200.XAA13459@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Cheryl et al, Yes, of course you can drill holes in glass with an ordinary drill. I have often done it (and I enjoy making clocks too!) But you will need a glass bit for the drill. Most (good) DIY stores stock them. Also I advise you to have a stand in which to mount the drill. They can be bought separately as "add-ons" to most drills. I myself got a Drill Press a couple of years ago, to avoid me standing holding the drill in my hand continuously (not just for glass), which I found made my wrists ache eventually. Now all I do is to pull down a lever. It also helps if your drill has variable speed settings.... gives you better control. To make the first "indentation" in the glass can be a "skiddy" experience. To avoid that, I suggest you place a piece of masking tape over the spot where you want to drill. Then start very gently and at fairly slow speed.. When you have made an indentation in which the drill bit will stay, take the masking tape off. Make a fat "snake" of plasticine (or similar ) and lay in a ring round the hole-to-be, sealing down the sides of the plasticine. Fill the inside of the ring with coolant (even water will do). Start drilling and take your time. Don't allow either the drill-bit or glass to get red hot! Give the glass and bit plenty of "rests" and keep topping up the water/coolant .Be patient! Practice on bits of scrap glass first! Let's know how yopu got on! (I found Edmonds in Washington..;->) Good Luck! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Cheryl Parrott wrote: > I am planning on making some clocks and would like to drill a hole in the > glass for the clock works. What do I need to drill the hole. Is there a > special type of bit to purchase which I can use in a regular electric drill. > A few years back, like maybe 15 a friend of mine had a bit that went on > the top of her grinder which she used to drill holes. I have an old Glastar > grinder- the kind that doesn't have a drain....ich.... I hate dumping the > water out of that sucker and cleaning it out.. Anyway, is that what I need > to drill the holes or can i purchase a drill bit for an actual drill Am I > making sense? I am hoping to get to the wholesaler in the morning. > Well, I should say in a few hours. It is 4:20 am(PST) and unfortunately I > just can't get to sleep. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 17:22:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: bungi group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.122838.0> References: <<001e01bdf48a$714d56c0$9d9cfad0@butterfly>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > > > >i found holding my breath helps a little too. at least on the expensive > >glass with difficult cuts. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > > Mike, > > Ya made me laugh on that one. I'm surprised I don't pass out.... I hold my > breath often, believe me! > > Cheryl the most important part is not to bite your tongue when you do that! of course by the end of a long cut i nearly fall over... not because of the no-oxygen-to-the-brain, but i sometimes wind up on one leg with my arm backwards due to the cut. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 17:33:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Doug Parrott Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.113826.0> References: <<002d01bdf47e$25887b40$c29bfad0@butterfly>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > Mike, > > I played around with the cutter earlier this morning and decided that the > way I have always done it, with my finger on the cutter head is the best way > to cut. I have seen people who just hold the pistol grip with one wand and > don't use a finger to guide it and they don't seem to have any problems. > But, that just doesn't seem to work for me. So, I agree with you. I've > tried and tried the one hand aproach, but I seem to need both hands one to > help guide for accuracy. > > Cheryl Parrott > > >i always keep a finger on it, it helps you steer it. i founf this is the > >best way to accuratly do curves. it allows me a constant pressure, keeps > >the head straight, and guides the cut. though i don't use the techique > >on straight cuts. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > >of the Brilliance Award. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i found holding my breath helps a little too. at least on the expensive glass with difficult cuts. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 17:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.121224.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981010234234.23dfcdf0@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Hi > > I forgot maybe the most important one. > > How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there > is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and > find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I > am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around > the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. > > I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up after > every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping by > to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety tricks > that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? > > What do people with children do? > > Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just seems > too obvious to everyone else. > > Thanks > Bethan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i wonder if you were to stand on something like the morton board if that would work out. place the light grids on the floor and vaccuum them out once in a while ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 18:40:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: navix.net!js14529 From: ksu alumni To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: glass in the dishwasher Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.133847.0> Precedence: bulk Re: glass in dishwasher, what about the chemicals,lead , flux residues that might be left in disherwasher? would it be safe? m. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 19:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110000.BAA14649@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk GOTTCHA Brenda!! Thanks. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (pouring over maps....) > Brenda > South Florida - east coast between Ft. Lauderdale and Miami > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 19:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110000.BAA14667@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Pain in the butt and all that.... What and where is "Fargo, ND"?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Glad to be aboard. > > Thanks from a glass 'newbie' :) > > > Fargo, ND > ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 19:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Elisabeth's New TOY Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110000.BAA14655@saturn.nildram.co.uk> References: <<199810100204.DAA31570@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Sorry Folks, but I can't help this.... My posting about wishing to be able to plot you all on a map of USA, brought a wonderful response from Shiela 'n Tuka in Canada ....a website of USA regional, city and Townmaps of every possible tiny little town in USA and Canada. AWESOME... isn't it?? (Peggy... don't fret - FOUND YOU!!!!!) The maps are so detailed I can even see if you live next to a town rubbish tip, next to a cemetary or the local town "Country Club". On a detailed street-map I can even get info about the shape of the street and the exact location on that street where you live. Absolutely AWESOME!! But how incredibly fascinating..... Please..... keep it coming..... Shiela!!! you have just increased my phone bill by about 250 percent.... for the NEXT 10 months!!!! (We pay by the second/minute over here in UK) It is a web-site published by the American Express (the same one with the fashion-show Amex card girl.... inspirining the stained glass dress.... and so on) Through the same web-site, I tried to reverse the process to see what they would come up with for the UK. Not desperately successful..... but there ARE UK map companies who have very detailed web-site maps of the English (UK) regions & country-side. Anyone particularly interested.... please just drop me an e-mail. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shiela wrote: > Hi Elisabeth > > Hope your map covers the southern part of Canada as well as the > United States. To get a fix on the location for both Cindy Pesonen > and me, go right to the west coast of the mainland of Canada. Find > Vancouver (should be easy). > > Just had a better idea! > > Look here: > > http://www.pathfinder.com/travel/maps/BRICOLF.html > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 19:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110000.BAA14661@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Don't quite know how to put this.... Whatever next....? I don't quite think that the dishwasher is really a place where I would recommend you to wash 'n clean your stained glass projects... I assume you are talking about copper-foil and NOT L E A D ??? Perhaps you might have the facilities to run a second dish-washer. Don't know here But the thought itself certainly makes my mind "boggle". But there again. whyever not..... Never tried it. But then, I don't even have a dish-washer...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back and forth > to crafts sales in the dishwasher. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 19:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio# 62 Douglas Ray Terry (Plain Text) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110000.BAA14664@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Imagine the Picture..... On a dark rainy autumn evening in the depths of the English countryside; in an old cottage with garden bordering onto fields and woodlands.....in an otherwhise terribly over-crowded country, the log-fire going and a very contented OES munching away on his marrow bone and myself pouring over maps to "plot" out where Douglas Ray Terry is located in USA. We have just had dinner, (Sorry Toby.... "Irish Stew".... perhaps N E X T week....). What fascinating Bios.... I find it hard to believe that in 10 months, I might actually have the possibility of meeting these people face-to-face Oh, very well Patrick.... you got away with it for THIS week!!! Take care of that tu-tu! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 20:07:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Reinforcing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:05:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110011.BAA14764@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Yupp! That's what I thought!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > It will be mounted inside a fixed pane sealed unit and will have good > > support on all sides. > > That's all the reinforcement you need right there. > > A > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 10 20:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: giapet@softhouse.com, Bungi List , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:14:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.0149.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-10 14:11:47 EDT, you write: << glass@bungi.com (Bungi List), glass@intrastar.net (intrastar list) >> Hi, It is so strange that this question should appear...I just had a show and before setting up, I did use my dishwasher to clean many panels and suncatchers. It turned out beautifully. I used Electrosol dishwasher soap and ran through the dry cycle. Next time I plan to use baking soda and not run thru the dry cycle. So far all foil is firmly in place and glass sparkles. I used vinegar in the last rinse cycle. Later, Marti WOODMAR Stained Glass Proud member of The Stained Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:05:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: giapet@softhouse.com, Bungi List , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:14:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.0149.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-10 14:11:47 EDT, you write: << glass@bungi.com (Bungi List), glass@intrastar.net (intrastar list) >> Hi, It is so strange that this question should appear...I just had a show and before setting up, I did use my dishwasher to clean many panels and suncatchers. It turned out beautifully. I used Electrosol dishwasher soap and ran through the dry cycle. Next time I plan to use baking soda and not run thru the dry cycle. So far all foil is firmly in place and glass sparkles. I used vinegar in the last rinse cycle. Later, Marti WOODMAR Stained Glass Proud member of The Stained Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 98 20:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <199810110041.UAA26213@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Bethan writes: >1) What it the best surface to get for saldering on? I do not want to >wreck my table. I have a large piece of homosote, a building material, found at our local lumberyard. They will cut it to any size you need. You can have one cut to the size of your table, and then you could get a couple of smaller ones for different projects. To actually solder on I use whatever's around (newspaper, manila folders, etc.) >2) Is it better to buy a salderer with a temperature control button on the >actual thing, or is it better to use the kind where you have to change the >tips? That seems a bit expensive. My studio/supply place recommends a >Wheeler salderer where you change the tips, but Inland seems to have one >where you don't have to. If you can afford it, get the Weller 100. The tip that comes with it is 700 degrees, a good one to start with. You can do all of your work with this one tip to start and the temp. controller is built right in. Eventually I did add on a temp controller anyway, but not for 10 years. In 11 years I've only had two - that's how well they last. >3) Is it worth buying one of those foiling machines, or will I do better >to learn to foil by hand so that its comes out evenly on both sides. It >seems much harder when the glass is darker. I am using black backed foil, >and then it is hard to see where the glass is in relation to the foil. I have a foiling machine, but it isn't necessary. In fact I do a better job centering the foil by hand and really only use it to strip the backing off. Ah, the safety issue. I'll leave that to more knowledgeable people. Gary of Dodge Studio, what did you mean by "wet everything down" when steel-wooling solder seams? Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: .....a rigid only status.....? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:05:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810110011.BAA14771@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Which means.... I will arrive totally dead and buried when I arrive in USA O,.... sh.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > >i found holding my breath helps a little too. at least on the expensive > >glass with difficult cuts. > > > Ya made me laugh on that one. I'm surprised I don't pass out.... I hold my > breath often, believe me! > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Pat Kelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bios for today Date: Sat, 10 Oct 98 20:20:23 -0400 Message-ID: <199810110024.UAA25363@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Patrick writes: >Gone to practice "Nutcracker Suite in my stained glass Tutu. > Glad you're expanding your repertoire, the W-C event lasts for two full days! Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:21:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Sat, 10 Oct 98 20:26:49 -0400 Message-ID: <199810110030.UAA25682@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Sparks wrote: >Now, I wonder where I could get a few old clothing-shop mannequins and "My >Double" dress forms real cheap........ Possibly a thrift shop? Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:23:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Paint on Glass Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.112756.0> References: <<1998Oct10.16452.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am pretty sure it is Suzanne Cooper that has a christmas pattern book out. She has a design of an angel with sun and sunrays behind the angel and flowers semi-circled just below her arms. She has done it as a suncatcher with painted on face and a stepping stone without face. You may like to look at it and see the difference. My point is, why do you need a face? I use wissmach irridized flesh colored glass for my angels and faeries, that I put in garden stones. I think it gives them a nice touch. You might want to do that. Good luck with your project. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:28:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: safety! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981011091234.08a7603a@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Someone went to the trouble, considering my problem with netscape and the archives to send me all the postings she had saved about safety issues. At first I was really grateful for the information, but as it dawned upon me that this information had consequences for me, I became and am now seriously depressed. I explained how excited I was about this new hobby. Now it seems that it is too hazardous for someone who lives in an apartment in Winnipeg to actually do. I have no basement or separate workroom, and no ventilation system other than the thing above the stove. It is 40 degrees below quite often in the winter and so opening windows is out of the question. I have to empty the grinder's glass dust into the kitchen or bathroom sink, and I have to solder somewhere in the apartment. Is grinding glass really that dangerous? I became violently ill after grinding one night for three hours. My partner, whose body is way more susceptible to food poisoning than mine, had eaten exactly the same food that I had that night. My immediate thought was, "O God, I am allergic to glass!" I later convinced myself that I had caught some kind of bug. The morning after I had spent the night soldering my first project I woke up with an absolutely awful headache and later nausea. I once again convinced myself I had a bug. (of the flu bug variety) If anyone has any solutions that work please let me know. For instance does the fume box actually work? Should one grind with gloves on? I really don't want to let this hobby go. But I also don't want to expose others in my household to danger. Help! Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: floor! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:11:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981011090429.08a7c580@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Someone suggested putting morton boards on the floor to deal with glass shards. I had thought of that myself. But I weigh over 200 lbs. Has anyone ever tried this who weighs that much? I do not want to destroy my brand new and very expensive morton board in an experiment! Thanks Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "D. B. Theunissen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.18249.0> Precedence: bulk I do have a basement room but I still found myself carrying glass into other parts of the house. I now always have a separate pair of shoes that I use when working glass. I change into them at the entrance to my glass room/laundry room and take them off upon leaving that room. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant http://www.city-net.com/~dany -----Original Message----- From: D. B. Theunissen To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com ; Glass@Bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 3:41 PM Subject: O, and another one! >Hi > >I forgot maybe the most important one. > >How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there >is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and >find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I >am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around >the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. > >I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up after >every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping by >to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety tricks >that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? > >What do people with children do? > >Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just seems >too obvious to everyone else. > >Thanks >Bethan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: navix.net!js14529 From: ksu alumni To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: glass in dishwasher Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.181536.0> Precedence: bulk yes,i attempted to cut glass in Manhattan,Ks. but in 1970, it was hard to learn with a two page brochure and a 4 inch square of hard green glass. the craft has definitely come full circle. Later in l980 i learned more and have an old suncatcher book published by Camur Design products. they recommended washing the leaded suncatchers in "finish" dishwash detergent.and to not use "cascade" because it would turn their lead dark. They said they used a dishwasher to wash their suncatchers. i know they were around in the mid '80's and had a neat catalog with all kinds of unique things for suncatchers,a special shiny lead , 1/16" solder so you didnt make messy suncatchers. in our part of the midwest most leaded suncatchers are plated so i guess there would not be much use for their special shiny lead. m. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: esavad@home.net Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.213845.0> References: <<1998Oct10.61351.0>>> Precedence: bulk As for glass in the dishwasher, You probably know that some drinking glasses can loose their shine or get iridescent stains from the dishwasher soap. I'd bet that some types of stained glass might not fare too well through a few such washings, especially ones that are prone to flux and patina stains in the first place. In response to the foil pulling off the edges, you should be building a heavy enough solder bead around the edges that this is just not a possibility. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:36:21 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: >Karen K. wrote: >> >> Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back >and forth >> to crafts sales in the dishwasher. I would not use the dry cycle, >think >> it's to hot.. What about the soap? What about using baking soda >instead of >> soap? Read that some of you use baking soda on glass, I know it >will to a >> handy-dandy job of cleaning the marks off your walls. I don't want >to do >> anything to dull or stain the lead came or solder lines but need to >clean up >> the glass itself. Karen K. >> > > >you can give it a shot on a few of them. though i predict that the >outer >edges of the foil will be torn off... and any dagling string or chain >will get caught in the sprayer thing. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak >preview >of the Brilliance Award. >---- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: bethan@escape.ca Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.213114.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981010234234.23dfcdf0@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk Bethan, For some tips on apartment glassworking go to my web site at www.dodgestudio.com and check out a little piece I wrote called something like "Glassworking 101 for apartment dwellers". It will be either in the safety tips or the glassworking tips. Should give you some ideas. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:49:40 -0500 (CDT) "D. B. Theunissen" writes: >Hi > >I forgot maybe the most important one. > >How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so >there >is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, >and >find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even >if I >am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot >around >the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. > >I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up >after >every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping >by >to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety >tricks >that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? > >What do people with children do? > >Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just >seems >too obvious to everyone else. > >Thanks >Bethan ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 00:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Douglas and Elsie Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:19:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct10.161933.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Thank you so much for sharing your life history in a nutshell! Again great stories by wonderful people as usual!! Loved it!! Thanks Pat! Pamela Burns-Tappan *sm* Vancouver, Washington (The Evergreen State) for Elisabeth. The most beautiful State in the USA, hehe! (Oh I'm gonna here it now!) -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 01:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Dishwasher (non-glass) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:25:03 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.8253.0> Precedence: bulk All this talk about cleaning glass in the dishwasher reminds of back in the 70's when we had the energy crunch (remember buying gas every other day based on your licence plates letter). Anyway I remember cooking fish in the dishwater, yes I said Cooking Fish. You placed it on aluminum foil, seasoned and wrapped very well, several layers. Placed it on the top rack and did your dishes. It came out great and the dishes didn't have a fishy smell at all. I would be worried about any chemical residue from the glass though, it's bad enough breathing in all the fumes, I wouldn't want to be eating the residue too. Although for time sake it would probably help if you had a lot to wash. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 02:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio# 62 Douglas Ray Terry (Plain Text) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.154159.0> References: <<199810110000.BAA14664@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Imagine the Picture..... > > On a dark rainy autumn evening in the depths of the English > countryside; in an old cottage with garden bordering onto fields and > woodlands.....in an otherwhise terribly over-crowded country, the > log-fire going and a very contented OES munching away on his > marrow bone and myself pouring over maps to "plot" out where Douglas > Ray Terry is located in USA. We have just had dinner, (Sorry > Toby.... "Irish Stew".... perhaps N E X T week....). > What fascinating Bios.... > I find it hard to believe that in 10 months, I might actually have > the possibility of meeting these people face-to-face > Oh, very well Patrick.... you got away with it for THIS week!!! > Take care of that tu-tu! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ---- > well..when I read Dougs bio...I was like he was in MY neck of the woods,.I live in Northern Idaho (thats Coeur d'ALene, Elisabeth so you can find me:)) and get over to western Montana, usually Missoula, fairly often. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 03:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Dishwasher (non-glass) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199810111323.JAA13597@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I would be worried about any chemical residue from the glass though Not to mention the chemicals washed into the sewer and thence into the ground water. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 03:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help - German translation needed Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.12245.0> Precedence: bulk Amongst a load of bits and pieces brought in by an old customer is a bottle of something labelled *Lotol* (but with umlauts over each *o*). I know that *ol* is the german for oil, but cannot find the work in my dictionary. The label is marked with the symbol for corrosive and the word *Atzend*, so it cant be cutting oil. I think it may be flux and was going to try it, but would rather have my guess confirmed if possible before switching the iron on. Can anyone advise please. Thanks in advance EliZabeth in UK Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 04:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.com.au!rdeint From: "Harald Reiss" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Help - German translation needed Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:39:19 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.33919.0> References: <<1998Oct11.12245.0>> Precedence: bulk L=F6t=F6l should translate into something like 'soldering oil'. Hope it h= elps. Regards Harald HiGlass > -----Original Message----- > From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk [mailto:studio@stainedglass.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 11 October 1998 18:24 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Help - German translation needed > > > Amongst a load of bits and pieces brought in by an old customer > is a bottle > of something labelled *Lotol* (but with umlauts over each *o*). I > know that > *ol* is the german for oil, but cannot find the work in my dictionary. = The > label is marked with the symbol for corrosive and the word *Atzend*, so= it > cant be cutting oil. > I think it may be flux and was going to try it, but would rather have m= y > guess confirmed if possible before switching the iron on. > Can anyone advise please. > Thanks in advance > EliZabeth in UK > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 05:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Re:Dishwasher (non-glass) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: <19981011111602.HMNN9650@vic> Precedence: bulk Albert: I ask (tongue in cheek) where do your chemicals go while there's go into a sewer? I have been involved with glass art, as a hobby, for a little over a year and frankly have avoided doing too many stained glass pieces at home for fear of contamination. I have diverted my interest to sand carving and fusing/slumping since they seemed the safer alternative because air, dust and fume handling equipment is more readily available for me. I live on a lakefront property in suburban NJ and am very aware of environmental factors which may affect living here. On top of this, there are four of us still on septic, although the rest of the area has sanitary sewer installed. My instincts and education tell me that I need to be more careful than others that evacuate their waste into a sewer system so that it subsequently becomes someone else's problem further "down stream". Our lake is spring feed so anything that leaches into the soil, that is not organic and subject to bacterial dissolution, ultimately finds it's way to the lake. Is there any information, peculiar to stain glass, available for the safe disposition of chemicals and solutions used in the craft? Ciao Vic ---------- > From: Albert Lewis > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re:Dishwasher (non-glass) > Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 2:14 AM > > > > I would be worried about any chemical residue from the glass though > > Not to mention the chemicals washed into the sewer and thence into > the ground water. > > A > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 06:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help - German translation needed Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199810111608.MAA16145@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Amongst a load of bits and pieces brought in by an old customer is a bottle > of something labelled *Lotol* (but with umlauts over each *o*). I know that > *ol* is the german for oil, but cannot find the work in my dictionary. The > label is marked with the symbol for corrosive and the word *Atzend*, so it > cant be cutting oil. > I think it may be flux and was going to try it, but would rather have my > guess confirmed if possible before switching the iron on. Loetoel is "soldering oil," according to the translation device at http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? So it *is a flux. If there's an umlaut over the "A" in "Atzend," it's a warning that the contents are "corrosive." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 06:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dishwasher Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199810111608.MAA16141@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > are four of us still on septic, although the rest of the area has sanitary > sewer installed. Vic, I've removed the "non-glass" portion of the subject line, since this is very much on subject. You're right about septic being even more of a concern than sewer, since you're keeping your waste right nearby close at hand. At least a sewer carries it away from home, although the net result - bad stuff into the ecological system - is the same. > Is there any information, peculiar to stain glass, available for > the safe disposition of chemicals and solutions used in the craft? Sure. Monona Rossol is a hygienist who runs Arts Crafts and Theater Safety (ACTS). She has a web site at http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ that includes lots of safety information. She'll also answer safety questions by email. Contact her at acts@caseweb.com or 75054.2542@compuserve.com Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To Swivel or Not-Cutter- how to change to a rigid only status. Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:11:21 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.131121.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/10/98 9:22:12 PM, bird_cage@email.msn.com wrote: >I played around with the cutter earlier this morning and decided that the >way I have always done it, with my finger on the cutter head is the best way >to cut. I do that too, it makes a world of difference (especially with my cutter head assembly rather loose in its cracked body - it's the only way I can get the thing to behave at all!). Can't wait to pick up that new cutter on Thursday! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help - German translation needed Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:27:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199810111334.OAA29388@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi EliZabeth in Bournemouth, You know you are always welcome to turn to your resident local linguist in Hertfordshire.... ;-> Loetoel is in deed flux Aetzend is corrosive Have fun! EliSabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire, UK > Amongst a load of bits and pieces brought in by an old customer is a bottle > of something labelled *Lotol* (but with umlauts over each *o*). I know that > *ol* is the german for oil, but cannot find the work in my dictionary. The > label is marked with the symbol for corrosive and the word *Atzend*, so it > cant be cutting oil. > I think it may be flux and was going to try it, but would rather have my > guess confirmed if possible before switching the iron on. > Can anyone advise please. > Thanks in advance > EliZabeth in UK > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jbenner From: jbenner@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass paint and apt. safety Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.51534.0> Precedence: bulk HI All, I'm the lurker with the dh that does glass. This year at WC I was introduced to paints that go on glass without firing. I'm upstairs so don't have the bottles next to me but they came in like 30 colors and I can go find out the name if anyone would like it. They come in fingernail polish type bottles with brushes and the big thing to remember is after you use them on the glass you must wipe the brush off on a paper so you don't contaminate the rest of the paint. Other than that they seem to work great. They even have a bottle of UV sealer. Beautiful colors either in opaque or translucent. On the subject of glass on floor, how about a large plastic shower curtain liner. Spread all under the work area. If you tend to leave the area like to go to the kitchen sink, wear a pair of loafers while working that you can slip off at the edge of the liner. Either have another pair to run about the house with or go barefoot to wherever, then slip them back on when you return. When finished, step off the liner (without shoes) and carefully fold to the center and then shake out somewhere. Maybe over a neighbors balcony?? (G) Just kidding. If you are careful to get the shards in the center you could shake out over a garbage bag. Might not eliminate every possibility but would greatly reduce trouble. Judy (who's a cleaning lady, not a glass artist) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:17:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:11:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.131119.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/10/98 8:49:19 PM, bethan@escape.ca wrote: >How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there >is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and >find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I >am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around >the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. Before I got my work area set up in the garage, I was doing my glass work in the downstairs den of our house (where I live with my big fuzzy teddybear and his mom). The first thing I bought (after the "basic tools") was a small Morton board to catch the chips when I was cutting, and for a while I did all the cutting in the furnace room. Our oil-burning furnace is a box about 3 feet high, and I just set the Morton board on top of it. Then I made sure I brushed off the bottoms of my shoes real good and swept the floor thoroughly after cutting. Is your workroom being used by anyone but you, for anything but glass? If not, you might consider putting one of those scratchy door mats just inside the door to clean off the soles of your shoes, or keeping a pair of old shoes to be worn in the workroom only, or getting some of those overbooties like surgical teams wear in the operating room. Make a habit of putting on your booties when you go in to your "operating room" and taking them off when you leave. You can get them by the box at a medical supply place, and that way you'll have spares for anyone you take on a tour of your shop, so they don't take home "diamonds on the soles of their shoes." And yes, always sweep up after yourself! It's a pain, but not as much as that little glass chip you can't seem to dig out of your foot. The bad news from someone who's not only a glassworker but the daughter of a machinist and therefore always had to wear shoes in the house (in southern California, one of the barefoot capitals of the world!) to protect against whatever metal shavings Dad might bring home in his clothes: Unfortunately for your barefoot mate, you never catch the last little chip, so shoes it is for safety. I'm also a dedicated shoe-hater (size 9E feet, and for some reason they just don't make girl shoes in E width), and until I moved my glass to the garage I wore shoes or slippers in the house constantly. A pair of ballet slippers or those "aqua-sox" with rubber soles and sides and mesh tops, or a pair of canvas slip-ons work fine. I and mine can now go barefoot in the house, but the canvas slip-ons live in the front hall closet, where I can grab them and put them on any time for a quick trip out to the garage. They're not sturdy enough for safety when I'm working, so I only wear them to run out and fetch something or put something away, but that's a moot point because if I'm going to be on my feet for a while, I have to wear my regular leather sneakers or hiking boots with the 1/2" wedge in the left one to compensate for my shorter leg so my butt doesn't literally go out of joint from the pressure of standing (very loose sacro- iliac, hurts like hell when it gets out of line!). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "D. B. Theunissen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: safety! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.55056.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981011091234.08a7603a@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Hi > > Someone went to the trouble, considering my problem with netscape and the > archives to send me all the postings she had saved about safety issues. At > first I was really grateful for the information, but as it dawned upon me > that this information had consequences for me, I became and am now > seriously depressed. I explained how excited I was about this new hobby. > Now it seems that it is too hazardous for someone who lives in an apartment > in Winnipeg to actually do. > > I have no basement or separate workroom, and no ventilation system other > than the thing above the stove. It is 40 degrees below quite often in the > winter and so opening windows is out of the question. I have to empty the > grinder's glass dust into the kitchen or bathroom sink, and I have to > solder somewhere in the apartment. > > Is grinding glass really that dangerous? I became violently ill after > grinding one night for three hours. My partner, whose body is way more > susceptible to food poisoning than mine, had eaten exactly the same food > that I had that night. My immediate thought was, "O God, I am allergic to > glass!" I later convinced myself that I had caught some kind of bug. > > The morning after I had spent the night soldering my first project I woke > up with an absolutely awful headache and later nausea. I once again > convinced myself I had a bug. (of the flu bug variety) > > If anyone has any solutions that work please let me know. For instance > does the fume box actually work? Should one grind with gloves on? I > really don't want to let this hobby go. But I also don't want to expose > others in my household to danger. > > Help! > Bethan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass #1 do you have water in the grinder? the grinder has to have water in it. it's not just to keep the bit cool, but it removes all possibililty of dust in the air. the water should be surging on the glass. when the powder residue builds up remove it with a paint scraper and through it in the garbage. if you want you could put it in a seperate baggie. make sure that the dust remains wet when you do it, add water if you have too. it should look like slime. don't get ny on your skin as it will itch like mad. solder box: i found that my inland works somewhat, but it does'nt filter it out completly. i may try the hakko next if i can get a good prive on it. and of course there's always the hepa filter, which is your best choice, especially in your situation. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 07:57:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "D. B. Theunissen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: floor! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.55510.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981011090429.08a7c580@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Someone suggested putting morton boards on the floor to deal with glass > shards. I had thought of that myself. But I weigh over 200 lbs. Has > anyone ever tried this who weighs that much? I do not want to destroy my > brand new and very expensive morton board in an experiment! > > Thanks > Bethan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's the only part of my plan that may not work. that's why i suggested lighting grid, because it's cheaper. though i would'nt want to stand on it bare footed. and you can remove them and vaccum the floor that way. and hose down the grid if necessary. i'd buy one, and torture it. stand, walk, sit, jump, stomp, on it. see what you can and can't do with it. otherwise you'll have to make your own. i can see a 3/4" piece of ply wood with 3/4" - 1" holes drilled in it. like huge peg board, it would take a really long time drilling through all of it. but it should work. you would want to make sure the holes are evenly placed, so it does'nt look stupid. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 08:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digrap.com!Terri From: "Terri O'Leary" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: safety! and other stuff Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:36:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.6367.0> Precedence: bulk I have no basement or separate workroom, and no ventilation system other than the thing above the stove. It is 40 degrees below quite often in the winter and so opening windows is out of the question. I have to empty the grinder's glass dust into the kitchen or bathroom sink, and I have to solder somewhere in the apartment. Hi Everyone, I have been very quietly lurking for some time, but now feel I can share something of what I have learned from all of you. You can safety work from your apt. After reading all the postings about safety I purchased a room air filter by Hunter. I work in my laundry room and have no windows or ventilation in that room. (I thought having the door open was enough DUH!) I also have a small clip on fan on the table to move the solder fumes and glass dust toward the air filter, but not directed on the piece I am working on. I also change the filter frequently. This seems to be working for me. My 2 cents on the dishwasher issue - I have not tried to clean any glass in the dishwasher, but I do know that if you use any detergent that is in a powder form there is a good chance that the water going into your dishwasher is not hot enough to dissolve the powder. Since I changed to a liquid I no longer have marks or scratches on my glasses or dishes. Now just a second to Thank all of you for sharing your knowledge. I cannot express how much I have learned from all of you. For Elisabeth - I live in Bethlehem PA - a couple of miles east of WC. I can't wait for your visit. Terri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 08:40:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.703.0> Precedence: bulk Right next to Mankato, Minn. Arnold from Richfield, Pa -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. >Pain in the butt and all that.... > >What and where is "Fargo, ND"?? >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > >> >> Glad to be aboard. >> >> Thanks from a glass 'newbie' :) >> >> >> Fargo, ND >> ---- > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 08:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.7223.0> Precedence: bulk We have a dishwasher...My wife calls me Husband Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? >Don't quite know how to put this.... >Whatever next....? >I don't quite think that the dishwasher is really a place where I >would recommend you to wash 'n clean your stained glass projects... >I assume you are talking about copper-foil and NOT L E A D ??? >Perhaps you might have the facilities to run a second dish-washer. >Don't know here >But the thought itself certainly makes my mind "boggle". >But there again. whyever not..... >Never tried it. >But then, I don't even have a dish-washer...... >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >> Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back and forth >> to crafts sales in the dishwasher. >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 10:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lead in the dishwasher and working in limited space Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:22:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct11.17228.0> Precedence: bulk Hey guys, First, want to express my concern about putting soldered glass in the dishwasher. If heat makes lead leach out of things, where does it go? Does it all get washed away with the waste water or does it accumulate in the bottom of the dishwasher to be distributed on the eating utensils washed later? I personally use a portable dishwasher and would then be introducing a quantity of lead into the kitchen sink too. I never wash my projects where there is the possibility of lead being ingested. Second, in response to working on glass in a small space such as an apartment. I don't have a basement, heated garage or workshop and need to work in the house also. Pam gave me some great tips when I first posted to bungi, however they were lost in one of my computer virus incidents so I can't share them, maybe she can post them. The one I was most impressed with was using a leaker aquarium to set the grinder inside of. Fantastic idea!!!! At the time I never thanked you Pam, thank you Pam. Take care all. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 12:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Safety, etc. Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.104912.0> Precedence: bulk Bethan was asking about safety & finding little pieces of glass all over the house. I use a Morton Mini Surface (actually 3 of them connected together to make up the surface of a light table) for all my cutting. That way the tiny chips go into the Morton Surface's grid holes instead of laying around on top of the table. Any pieces too big to slip into the grid holes, immediately go into used coffee cans (sorted by color). Always sweep up after you're through cutting. = Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 12:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Questions Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.10494.0> Precedence: bulk Here's my $.02 worth: Message text written by "D. B. Theunissen" >1) What it the best surface to get for saldering on? I do not want to wreck my table.> I have an old wooden door screwed down atop two metal file cabinets. The a wooden-framed cork board atop the door. The cork board easily holds push pens and stands up to soldering well. It's also easy to clean. <2) Is it better to buy a salderer with a temperature control button on the actual thing, or is it better to use the kind where you have to change th= e tips? That seems a bit expensive. My studio/supply place recommends a Wheeler salderer where you change the tips, but Inland seems to have one where you don't have to.> I've only used the Inland TempTrol 100 (the one with the built-in temperature controller). It works very, very well. <3) Is it worth buying one of those foiling machines, or will I do bette= r to learn to foil by hand so that its comes out evenly on both sides. It seems much harder when the glass is darker. I am using black backed foil= , and then it is hard to see where the glass is in relation to the foil< I learned both hand-foiling and foiling on a Glastar Foiling Machine. I love the Glastar machine. It helps me center the glass so that it does come out evenly. But more than this, it keeps the foil from snaking all over the surface, and it automatically unwraps the paper backing from the foil. Just be sure to read the direction so you under- stand that you must change both wheels when changing foil sizes. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 13:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810111932.MAA23348@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Bethan and all, After reading about the Morton board, it sounds like a nice thing. But alas I don't have one, grin. I do have a soft table brush and dust pan and it's in constant use. As is the floor broom and pan. Shop vac is also used often. While getting prepared for post-surgery work, I decided to bring in afew things, into the porch room (nice and level and only 1 wood stove to heat). And the clean up is even more constant. Glass shards are very nasty, and extreme care should be taken. I can't count how many times I stop to clean up glass shards. I tend to cut a little at one time, clean it up and go on to the next step. It does seem glass shards can jump miles..... and the only one I know of so far who has "leather" feet is Barefoot Daniel, grin. Which by the way where has he gone these days? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 13:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "M. Savad" Subject: Re: Glass dress Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:27:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.212757.0> References: <<1998Oct8.181354.0@?>> Precedence: bulk O.K. I can't resist any longer. At the Degree Show at the Edinburgh College of Art, one student entered a glass dress, which was modeled for her by a fashion student. It is cast clear glass circles held together by fine wire. It moves with the body, and is shaped for a woman's curves. It's length is about that of a mini skirt. I did not see the fashion show, only the dress on the clothes horse. It looked "practical" in the sense that it could be worn and moved within. Whether it is practical in any other sense, I don't know. If you want to get in touch you can search for the Colleges web page and look for the department of glass Steve >Hilary A. Bobker wrote: >> >> >... doing/singing some avant >> > guard performance art wearing nothing but a stained >> > glass dress. She's serious about getting me to make >> > her a stained glass dress. >> >> Hi, Christie, >> >> Getting in and out of a solid glass dress is a challange. Glass sections >> somehow inserted into something that will go around the curves that form >> the human form may be a way to go. But, whatever you decide to do, make >> sure your insurance is in place, 'cause God forbid that she should fall >> in a glass dress. i.e. sounds real risky to me. >> >> On the other had, a lovely silk satin organza painted in "stained glass" >> fashion could be stunning and would offer a marvelous sheen and a >> translucentcy against the lights... >> >> Hilary >> ---- -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 13:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Toby Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:06:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.22624.0> References: <<199810102200.XAA13459@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk To add to Elisabeth's comment on dirlling glass. If the piece of glass is relatively small, just put it into a baking tray with enough water to cover the glass, and you have a continuously lubricated drill bit. Steve In message <199810102200.XAA13459@saturn.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >Hi Cheryl et al, > >Yes, of course you can drill holes in glass with an ordinary drill. I >have often done it (and I enjoy making clocks too!) >But you will need a glass bit for the drill. Most (good) DIY stores >stock them. >Also I advise you to have a stand in which to mount the drill. > They can be bought separately as "add-ons" to most drills. I myself >got a Drill Press a couple of years ago, to avoid me standing holding >the drill in my hand continuously (not just for glass), which I found >made my wrists ache eventually. Now all I do is to pull down a lever. >It also helps if your drill has variable speed settings.... gives you >better control. > >To make the first "indentation" in the glass can be a >"skiddy" experience. To avoid that, I suggest you place a piece of >masking tape over the spot where you want to drill. Then start very >gently and at fairly slow speed.. When you have made an indentation >in which the drill bit will stay, take the masking tape off. > >Make a fat "snake" of plasticine (or similar ) and lay in a ring >round the hole-to-be, sealing down the sides of the plasticine. Fill >the inside of the ring with coolant (even water will do). > >Start drilling and take your time. Don't allow either the drill-bit >or glass to get red hot! Give the glass and bit plenty of "rests" and >keep topping up the water/coolant .Be patient! > >Practice on bits of scrap glass first! >Let's know how yopu got on! (I found Edmonds in Washington..;->) >Good Luck! >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Cheryl Parrott wrote: >> I am planning on making some clocks and would like to drill a hole in the >> glass for the clock works. What do I need to drill the hole. Is there a >> special type of bit to purchase which I can use in a regular electric drill. >> A few years back, like maybe 15 a friend of mine had a bit that went on >> the top of her grinder which she used to drill holes. I have an old Glastar >> grinder- the kind that doesn't have a drain....ich.... I hate dumping the >> water out of that sucker and cleaning it out.. Anyway, is that what I need >> to drill the holes or can i purchase a drill bit for an actual drill Am I >> making sense? I am hoping to get to the wholesaler in the morning. >> Well, I should say in a few hours. It is 4:20 am(PST) and unfortunately I >> just can't get to sleep. >> >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 13:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "D. B. Theunissen" Subject: Re: O, and another one! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:02:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.22222.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981010234234.23dfcdf0@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk Bethan, A lot of the glass comes out of the room on your clothes. Have what the British call a boiler suit - maybe its a coverall - that you wear while working. Change it and your shoes before coming out of the room. That will help minimise the transfer of glass. (also note that glass can be in your hair, so a shower after glass working is a good idea) Steve In message <3.0.16.19981010234234.23dfcdf0@escape.ca>, "D. B. Theunissen" writes >Hi > >I forgot maybe the most important one. > >How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there >is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and >find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I >am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around >the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. > >I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up after >every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping by >to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety tricks >that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? > >What do people with children do? > >Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just seems >too obvious to everyone else. > >Thanks >Bethan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 14:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Help - German translation needed Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:12:37 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981011211237.007bc7d0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<199810111334.OAA29388@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Thank you all the members who answered me both on and off bungi - I shall try the flux out tomorrow. EliZabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 16:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Reinforcing Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct11.91036.0> References: <<199810101541.IAA10822@mail1.bctel.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hi Shiela: Sounds like reinforcing has been accomplished by your panel being sealed between two glass units. Therefore, no extra reinforcement is needed. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 17:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Doug Parrott Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct11.82523.0> References: <<1998Oct9.212730.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Doug: Drilling holes in glass is fairly easy. I use a tile/glass bit in an electric drill. For clock making I usually draw the face pattern I want and drill the hole before I cut the piece out of the glass. At first I had a few "accidents" and broke the glass while drilling. However, if you go slow and squirt a little water in your hole every so often, you shouldn't have any trouble. The bit costs about $9-10 but is worth having. The bits come in several sizes and you should match the size bit with the size hole you want to use. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 17:44:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: floor! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.161516.0> References: <<1998Oct11.55510.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk If you have a resturant supply near you, you can look for a rubber version of the Morton board. They are used behind a bar, where liquids and broken glass make walking/standing hazardous. They have the same 1/2 inch or so square holes in them. You lift them up and shake them over a trash container. To our cartographer - This is coming to you from beautiful downtown Massapequa Park, Long Island NY. If you can find New York City, there is a long (yes, that's why) fish shaped island (mouth facing the city, with a forked tail pointing east). I'm a bit before halfway out. see you in Allentown. > D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > > > Someone suggested putting morton boards on the floor to deal with glass > > shards. I had thought of that myself. -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 18:32:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: bungi , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fargo, North Dakota Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.142431.0> Precedence: bulk Hate to contradict this bit of info, but Fargo,ND is not next to = Mankato,MN. I use to live in Mankato,MN which is aprox.90 miles south of = Minneapolis, straight down hyw #169. Fargo, ND is located in the East central part of North Dakota, aprox. = 250 miles NW. of Minneapolis,MN. It is the border town that separates MN = from ND on the Red River. Sue Reitmann (who now lives in Shorewood, MN, a western suburb of Minneapolis. ---------- From: Granny And PawPaw[SMTP:grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net] Sent: Sunday, October 11, 1998 10:00 AM To: bungi Subject: Re: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. Right next to Mankato, Minn. Arnold from Richfield, Pa -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Design software, swivel cutters, etc. >Pain in the butt and all that.... > >What and where is "Fargo, ND"?? >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > >>=20 >> Glad to be aboard. >>=20 >> Thanks from a glass 'newbie' :) >>=20 >> >> Fargo, ND >> ---- >=20 >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm=20 >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 18:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio# 62 Douglas Ray Terry (Plain Text) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:41:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.164128.0> References: <<1998Oct10.172048.0>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Doug. . . I loved your biography. . .and I think you should be very very proud of yourself. Your family sounds like. . .just the best! Keep up the good work! Nadine Pat Kelly wrote: > > Lurker Bio.......... of Douglas Ray Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) > :-) > I've always enjoyed building and repairing things. The first large > project was my first car, 1930 Desoto (total cost $60) :-) when I was > 9-10 years old, and once I got it going, I had a great time on all the > back roads in my rural area.(gas @ $0.24 gallon) ;-> > I am the third son of a family of a father, step-mother, mother, > half-brother, step-brother, step-sister, brother, brother, brother. > I was born in Northeast Oregon in a small rural farming community. > When I was eleven, my parents divorced and I moved to Colorado for a > short time and then to Montana. Went to high school in Thompson Falls, > Montana, which is a logging community located in Western Montana. I > wanted to be an architect, but dropped out because of money after only > two quarters. Went to Seattle to make my fortune, but ended up putting > interiors into airplanes for a year. Married my high school sweetheart > and moved back to Montana. > I started a small furniture manufacturing business, promptly went > bankrupt (eventually paid all the bills). Was given a job by my parents > working in a mattress factory in Great Falls, Montana. A couple years > later, I purchased a small Tent & Awning shop, which ended up being > successful, built a wide-range of custom items from, slings to haul > bighorn sheep out of the wilderness under a helicopter, to boat tops, > and semi truck covers. A few years later, I ended up buying the > mattress factory. > In the 22 years that I lived in Great Falls, I had a lot of fun taking > adult education night classes - stained glass, oil and water painting, > sculpting, woodworking, lathe work, welding, etc, etc, all things that I > was hungry to learn, because the schools I had attended had no art > classes whatsoever. Also, went to boot school and learned how to make > hiking and cowboys boots. > Also, during this time, in 1970, I had a son, in 1976, I had twin > daughters, designed and built an underground self-sufficient home 1,240 > square feet (and when I say built, I mean built - not hire a > contractor). > On the sale of my businesses(1990), we moved back to the Enterprise, > Oregon, area. I took a job in a sand foundry casting aluminum and > bronze and finished tooling them (made some bronze chandeliers that hang > in the Treasury Department in Washington, D.C.). I heard of a person > locally that was blowing glass which sounded like a fascinating thing to > learn. I looked him up and asked if he would need any help. He said he > needed help, but didn't pay for it, and I said, OK, so I could learn, I > soon learned he had only taken an introductory class, and was near a > novice too. So with those basics, I started reading, stopping to watch > anyone I could find that would let me, and, practice, practice. After > five years, we are now partners in the Hot Shop. I've built most of the > hand tools and many of the bigger items, except for the main melt > furnace and the first original glory hole. I'm happy to say that one > day, hopefully soon, I will actually be making a living from glass as I > now have my work in four galleries in Oregon, and a new small chain > called Your Northwest Stores. I make blown vessels, vases, candy > dishes, plates and platters, marbles, and paperweights with inclusions > and plain, do a small amount of fusing, and torch work and always want > to learn more. > My very best work, mostly to my wife's credit, is our children. Our > son lives in Norway with his wife and our granddaughter. They met when > he was in the service and after he was discharged, she came over here, > and used her wiley ways to get him to go back to Norway. :-) One of our > daughters, after being a Rotary exchange student to Japan, went back > after graduating from college and is teaching English, in Japanese high > schools (she speaks and reads & writes it) . Our other daughter is > getting her Masters degree in teaching and is student teaching in junior > highs and high schools in Eugene Oregon. My wife of 30 years is the > District Attorney's assistant in Wallowa County. > As I believe I read on this board once, or one of the other boards I > read,.... just a glob of glass on the floor is beautiful, so someone > such as I can't make is ugly, but I do love to play with glass. > I'm sure this is much more than you wanted to know. > Doug Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 21:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: non-glass where in the USA Date: Sun Oct 11 20:47:17 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.182317.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk elizabeth thought i would give you a little something to "ponder" over over the pond the "map" you are using sound wonderful in the nin years i have been doing glass, i learned my wonderful art in MILFORD,OHIO from a wonderful couple that learned to do stained glass in LANSING,MICHIGAN.. i proceeded to look for additional glass suppliers in the surrounding city at the glass shack in COLERAIN,OHIO. I was making all this wonderful stained glass and had nothing to do with it, so i decided to set up a booth at the Ohio Renassaince Festival in HARVEYSBURG,OHIO and started selling it. That was a lot of fun, a lot of work, and very profitable. After a whort time i decided to quit work for Sunoco in SAYLOR PARK, OHIO and work full time at the stained glass studio. I did this for a while, until the owners decided to retire. They moved to HOT SPRINGS,ARKANSAS. I opened my own studio in MT WASHINGTON,OHIO. I did shows in OHIO, KENTUCKY, TENNESSEE, and FLORIDA. I also worked as a bartender in a restaurant called O'Charleys in MASON,OHIO. In january, i fell in love (been divorced 12 years) and moved from my little two bedroom apartment in CHERRY GROVE, OHIO to a wonderful housein WEST CHESTER, OHIO. Finished a show about four hors ago in WAYNESVILLE,OHIO and am ready to go to bed. just thought i would help you out a little on where we are here in the US of A. if you have any questions, please direct them to someone else, i am going to bed thank you very much debbie taylor taylor'd Expressions in stained glass Cincinnati,Ohio good night ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 21:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: O, and another one! Date: Sun Oct 11 20:47:46 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.182346.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk if this has already been answered, please just go one and delete, have been at a show all weekend and just now (very tiredly) getting my messages when i first started doing glass, i was working on an ironing board--you can always telll when it is a love, because we find ways to do glass instead of quitting, anyway, i cme across a nifty little item that morton makes (and this is going to get a lot of argueing from everyone about spending any money) that was called the morton grid---no matter what everyone says will be just as good as or better than, nothing beats the morton grid (if they haven't bought it how do they know it will work as good as or better than?) available at your local supply house works great On Saturday, October 10, 1998 12:50 PM, D. B. Theunissen wrote: > Hi > > I forgot maybe the most important one. > > How does everyone go about safety issues. I live in an apartment, so there > is no basement workroom. I am using one of our rooms to do glass in, and > find that we are finding shards of glass all over the house. So even if I > am wearing shoes when I work, somehow my partner, who walks barefoot around > the rest of the apartment is now having to wear shoes. > > I guess I need to be more disciplined about sweeping or vacuuming up after > every time I work on the glass, but this would prevent me from popping by > to do a bit every now and then. Has anyone learned any nifty safety tricks > that might be helpful to me or anyone else new? > > What do people with children do? > > Please ignore if this has been rehashed ten thousand times or just seems > too obvious to everyone else. > > Thanks > Bethan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 23:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cheryl in Edmonds Wa!! Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:02:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.1124.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Cheryl I used to be one of your neighbors! I lived about 1 mile from the ferry dock! Small world. would have sent this to you alone, but I only saw this quoted, not the original and dont have your email address. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 11 23:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "D. B. Theunissen" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions and safety Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.192227.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981010232803.082f243c@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk > 2) Is it better to buy a salderer with a temperature control button on the > actual thing, or is it better to use the kind where you have to change the > tips? That seems a bit expensive. My studio/supply place recommends a > Wheeler salderer where you change the tips, but Inland seems to have one > where you don't have to. > > 3) Is it worth buying one of those foiling machines, or will I do better > to learn to foil by hand so that its comes out evenly on both sides. It > seems much harder when the glass is darker. I am using black backed foil, > and then it is hard to see where the glass is in relation to the foil. Hi Bethan I wont attempt to anwer number one, as I am interested in what everyone else has to say on this. I too need a separate board for soldering. Soldering As for number two, I dont know what is *best*, but for me, I have a "phaser" which plugs into the electrical outlet and then I plug my soldering iron into that. It takes abit to get the temp just right, but once you do, you just have to push the *on* button, and you are good to go. I love having my phaser. foilers I learned to foil by hand, then I bought a foiler. I must say using the foiler goes alot faster for me. I still have to touch up some every now and then. The thing with foilers is, dont stretch too tight or go to fast around sharp corners or you will cut your foil tape. You asked what people with children do... Well, I have a very rambunctious 2 and half yr old boy, and an eight yr old girl. My eight yr old is very smart...and understands the rules. My 2 yr old on the other hand, is strictly forbidden from entering my workshop (which is a 190 sq ft room converted from our sunroom). He is not allowed to enter at all when I am working. When I am not working he can *only* enter when *closely* supervised and with shoes on. I sweep and vacuum. Not everytime I work though... (bad Suzanne) sometimes it is very late, and I quit because I am tired. I notice I start hurting myself working with stained glass when I am really tired. Before I had a workshop, and pre kids, I worked at the kitchen table which was on indoor outdoor carpeting. I vacuumed everytime I worked. That is one of my main safety rules...quit when you are tired. One of the things I do that may not be too smart...I really dont know if it is ok. I use the same vacuum cleaner I use in the house. Comments anyone? Oh yeah.. I always wear my hair in a pony tail when I am working. And before going into the house try to shake my clothes, and shake out my hair. I havent found any glass in the rest of the house. Maybe I am just lucky. I do vacuum alot inside also though. I am way behind on email, so hope I didnt just repeat what someone else has said. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 00:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.20267.0> Precedence: bulk I have an Inland Wizling. All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 02:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: drilled a hole in glass today Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:05:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct11.1754.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth and all... Well, I did it!!! Went up to the local DIY store (Home Depot) and bought a drill bit for glass and tile. Came home and drilled a hole. This is big stuff!!! I was surprised how easy it was, of course, that is thanks to your help. I put masking tape on the glass & marked my spot, then rolled up some silly putty and formed a circle for a reservoir around the tape. filled the spot with some water and started the drill. Worked just fine... just like you said. The only problem was that I got some chips on the edge of the glass. I'll practice a bit more and unfortunately I need to get a larger bit. I bought a 3/8" bit but for the clock part it looks like I need a 1/4" bit. Sadly to say, I was only able to practice drilling one hole. I got called away to a family gathering. Turns out I would have been better off staying home and drilling holes and working on my stepping stone fountain, but that's another story and you don't want to hear it! Live & Learn. Well thanks again for all your help. tomorrow I practice drilling more holes.... I see all sorts of possibilities ahead for me now. Yipee yea... more projects!! Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: Doug Parrott Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Elisabeth's New TOY DO... please DO! Looking forward to hear your "Progress Report"! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Elisabeth, > > Got it! Thanks for the explanations. I've got some of that goey stuff > to tack things on to the wall, plus I have some of the tacky stuff for > glass. I have to head to the DIY store (he he) store today to pick up > some copper tubing so i will look for the drill bit. I'm going to try to > make a fountain today. Pam Burns-Tappan got me excited about trying a > fountain. > > Thanks for your help and I will keep you posted. > > Cheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby > To: Doug Parrott > Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: Elisabeth's New TOY > > > Hi Cheryl, > > DIY store means Do-It-Yourself store, where punters get all the > materials, tools to do their own home repairs 'n decorating > (so I suppose = hardwarestore..) > > plasticine, is kids modelling material, it stays soft forever, comes > in many colours. Another similar material is "blutack", that sort of > gungy stuff you stick on notes onto walls/doors and so on. > > Any "gungy" stuff that you can mold and form to make a kind of > reservoir that temporarily stays on the glass to hold the > water/coolant in place while you are drilling. > Is this a bit clearer...? > Let me know if you need more explanation.. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > > > By the way, what is a DIY store? Is this a hardware store? > > > > I wasn't able to get the drill bit today so i will have to try tomorrow. > > You say to make a snake of palsticine. Again I'm in the dark on this one. > > Is that a silicone seal? Help... I'm really anxious to give this a try. > > I am existing today on just three hours of sleep I managed to get this > > morning so hopefully if I get some sleep tonight I will be alert enough to > > give this a try. If not it will wait until tomorrow. > > > > I was a little disappointed when I picked up my check today at one of the > > stores. Not much in sales this last month. I am hoping that some simple > > but classy looking clocks might help things along. > > > > Thanks for you help and have fun finding us all. > > > > > > > > Cheryl Parrott - Edmonds WA (glad you found it!) > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > > > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 11:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:03:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.2334.0> References: <<1998Oct11.20267.0>> Organization: http://home.fuse.net/crafts Precedence: bulk Suzanne, sounds like you better call the priest for the last rites. In most cases with electric motors when the bearings go out, it will cause the rotor to rub against the stator and that makes that "sounds like it wants to start" sound. Doesn't sound like you have anything jammed, or it would start at all. Just my 2 cents ;-) Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts Suzanne wrote: >=20 > I have an Inland Wizling. > All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it > works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece o= f > glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts > like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very > slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. >=20 > Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? >=20 > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --=20 MZ=90 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 11:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: giapet@softhouse.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes/Wedding Gifts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:43:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct12.104324.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Karen, Thanks so much for the info regarding the windchimes! I did not expect it for awhile due to your time pressure for the wedding gift you are making. Love Birds sound like a very apt present for a wedding couple as well as the wedding anniversary couple! Recently I made a wedding ring motiff from the quilt known by that name. It was tedious trying to connect those rings (copper foil) together with the necessary precision. Your panel sounds much less tedious and a fine idea. Have any pics you could show me? Always looking for new ideas. Thanks again, Karen. What do other Bungies make for a wedding gift? Care to comment on your favorites? Lenore formerly Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:02:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!mhooper From: "Mark D. Hooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re:grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:16:16 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne, Sounds like your grinder is seeing it's last days ;-( If its less than 5 years old however, Inland will repair/replace it. >I have an Inland Wizling. >All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it >works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of >glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts >like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very >slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. > >Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: To Swivel or Not-Cutter Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.14440.0> Precedence: bulk > mode. Am I missing something? Does swivel mode have a purpose? > > Thanks, > > Still learning, > > Linda Campbell >the swivel is designed to twist instead of your wrist twisting. i've >never used it. i've always used the ridged setting, i've found that the >swivel makes me stray. >---Mike Savad My cutter locks in place as soon as you put pressure on it to cut I thought they all worked like that ??? Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.54251.0> References: <<1998Oct11.20267.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > I have an Inland Wizling. > All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it > works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of > glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts > like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very > slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. > > Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sounds like your motor is seizing. water may have poured down the shaft and rusted parts together. you'll either have to buy a new grinder. or find someone handy and hope the motor is the fixable kind (it's held together with screws and you can take it apart and oil and clean it). but i think it's a sealed unit. you can ask inland about it, sometimes they'll send you new parts if their's failed. i replaced the outside of my grinder because one of the holding pins broke off... as long as you have someone to replace it for you (or yourself). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.61549.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: >I have an Inland Wizling. >All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it >works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of >glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts >like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very >slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. > >Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- I have the "All Star" grinder. When it was still under warranty it started to do the same thing. I brought it back to the store and when we turned it on there it was fine, (Murphy's Law) We came to the conclusion that I had cleaned it and washed very fine pieces of glass underneath the shaft to the motor. I made the mistake of using hot water directly from the water heater to rinse out the grinder tray. When I'd turn it on it started too slow or would stop completely, I turned it off immediately as not to not wreck the motor and took the bit and turned it back and forth by hand. Think the hot water caused enough expansion for the fine glass dust to get in where it shouldn't have. Since then I've installed a utility sink in the furnace room. I'd try a squirt of WD-40, take the bit off first. Don't stress the motor by running to long. Hope this helps. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:44:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: floor! Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:23:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.62332.0> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote: >If you have a resturant supply near you, you can look for a rubber version of >the Morton board. They are used behind a bar, where liquids and broken glass >make walking/standing hazardous. They have the same 1/2 inch or so square >holes in them. You lift them up and shake them over a trash container. We have a tavern and my husband has a piece of this rubber drip catcher mat on the floor of his truck where the coffee cup holders are. He drives a tad on the fast side and this saves the new carpet from stains. Never thought to use it in my glass shop, bought the large Morton Grid instead. Good Idea, Bob Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:51:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Soldering Surface Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.63225.0> Precedence: bulk I have a large piece of drywall on top of a 6 ft. drafting table, over that I have a 1/4 inch thick piece of clear glass approximately 2 ft. x 2 ft. The drywall was left over from construction. If I need a surface to pin into, I move the glass over out of my way. For most soldering the glass is nice because it scraps clean with a large putty knife. KK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 12:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Questions and safety Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: <199810121519.IAA05242@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Bethan I'm a firm believer in keeping things simple...not buying a single apliance that multitasks, etc. That way, if something breaks I'm not out a bunch of functions. So, in keeping with that I have never bought soldering irons with built in temperature control buttons. Many people use these with a rheostat but with 5 minutes wiring and a living room dimmer switch you can have your own inexpensive temperature control added in. Mark the switch with the temperatures you use for lead and foil and voila...it's customized. Best of all, when your iron wears out after a few years, you just move the dimmer switch to your new iron...it may need recalibrating though for lead and foil settings. And re: foiling machines. They're something you either love or hate. I tend towards the latter and have an INland Glassmaster available cheap if anyone wants it. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Questions" Subject: Questions Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:33:49 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<3.0.16.19981010232803.082f243c@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk > Hi > > Thanks for your welcoming comments and assurances that I can ask questions. > > I have a problem with my computers memory. I keep being shut down with a > memory parity error sign, and this keeps happening as I go through the > archives. > > Thanks for the advice about turning a toya cutter into a non-swiveling > type. It took two minutes, and mission was accomplished. (Just screw the > screw back in on the round side!) Thanks also for the advice about putting > a bit of cloth at the bottom of where you keep your cutter! This may save > me considerable expense. > > Now I'll risk asking my questions! > > I am in the process of getting the basic equipment I need: > > > 1) What it the best surface to get for saldering on? I do not want to > wreck my table. soldering is best done on a wood surface, although what i do is pay the pattern down, use clear glass on top of it, lay down my pieces, and then solder. it's easier to match up to the pattern. this doesn't, of course, work for leaded panels. > 2) Is it better to buy a salderer with a temperature control button on the > actual thing, or is it better to use the kind where you have to change the > tips? That seems a bit expensive. My studio/supply place recommends a > Wheeler salderer where you change the tips, but Inland seems to have one > where you don't have to. get a weller. go to the hardware store. get a lamp dimmer switch, a socket, 3 feet of lamp cord, a switch wall box, and a wall plug. connect the plug to the one end of the wire. connect the other end to the dimmer switch. connect the output of the dimmer switch to the plug with short pieces of wire. screw both switch and plug in box. connect soldering iron to plug. connect wall plug to wall socket. you now have a soldering iron controller that cost you about $7. > 3) Is it worth buying one of those foiling machines, or will I do better > to learn to foil by hand so that its comes out evenly on both sides. It > seems much harder when the glass is darker. I am using black backed foil, > and then it is hard to see where the glass is in relation to the foil. nope. i find i can do a much better job without one. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0111a43b-00000001" Subject: Re: floor! Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-0111a43b-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you can also get a rubber mat that would be way more comfortable to stand on besides plywood. it has about 1" holes already cut into it. i've seen it for sale in woodworkers stores and even costco. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ --openmail-part-0111a43b-00000001 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:10 -0400 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Re: floor! MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: esavad/uuen////////RFC-822/esavad#a#home#f#net@atlas2 FROM: esavad/uuen////////RFC-822/esavad#a#home#f#net@atlas2 TO: bethan@escape.ca Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0111a43b-00000002" --openmail-part-0111a43b-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Someone suggested putting morton boards on the floor to deal with glass > shards. I had thought of that myself. But I weigh over 200 lbs. Has > anyone ever tried this who weighs that much? I do not want to destroy my > brand new and very expensive morton board in an experiment! > > Thanks > Bethan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's the only part of my plan that may not work. that's why i suggested lighting grid, because it's cheaper. though i would'nt want to stand on it bare footed. and you can remove them and vaccum the floor that way. and hose down the grid if necessary. i'd buy one, and torture it. stand, walk, sit, jump, stomp, on it. see what you can and can't do with it. otherwise you'll have to make your own. i can see a 3/4" piece of ply wood with 3/4" - 1" holes drilled in it. like huge peg board, it would take a really long time drilling through all of it. but it should work. you would want to make sure the holes are evenly placed, so it does'nt look stupid. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --openmail-part-0111a43b-00000002-- --openmail-part-0111a43b-00000001-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000001" Subject: Re: Copper Patina Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:40:36 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've been wondering about this for a long time and wonder if it's something in the water that is affecting the plating chemistry. since most public water systems use either chlorine or chloramine, i wonder if the chlorine ions is what is causing this. anyone on a private well or water system, who has had their water tested for various minerals, used any of their water to make up a patina? has anyone tried using distilled water for a final rinse after scrubbing pieces? for that matter, do makers of the premixed copper patinas use distilled water or their local tap water? regards, charlie --openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000001 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:23:38 -0400 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Re: Copper Patina MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Yegnim/uuen////////RFC-822/Yegnim#a#aol#f#com@atlas2 FROM: Yegnim/uuen////////RFC-822/Yegnim#a#aol#f#com@atlas2 TO: nancyclayb@erols.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000002" --openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Nancy, So many people (including myself) have had this complaint regarding copper patina being splotchy and appearing ugly when applied to solder seams!! My solution has been to clean, clean, clean the piece with a soft scrub brush in a bath of hot soapy water. When you think it is clean, then clean it again. Rinse thoroughly using your hand or a cloth to better get the soap off, dry and immediately apply patina. Works for me everytime. BTW, I always use a cleaner first (the Ultimate or P.J.'s) before the bath. Hope this helps! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000002-- --openmail-part-0111b0ad-00000001-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: pebble@fuse.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:11:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.31121.0> References: <<3621D3F6.3558@fuse.net>> Precedence: bulk Well, I'm bummed. Hopefully it'll hang on like this a while. This is not good timing, but then again. Things never break down at an opportune time! Thanks everyone. Suzanne ps Cheryl, mine is 15-16 yrs old and doesnt have a drain either! I scoop the glass mud out with a razor blade and it takes too long. Never can seem to get it all out. Would like a new one, but not now! Too bad Christmas isnt next week! -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:32:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: drilling holes in glass Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:52:44 -0700 Message-ID: <199810121852.LAA18019@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Great ideas for drilling the 'pesky' little holes in glass, gang. I use a small diamond bit and a dremel tool. (Sears also makes them). Works good, variable speed and it can also be used to grind small radius areas that are too small for your regular grinder bit. Just tried clamping the glass in the drill press, set the drill distance stop, hung a fish weight, (6 ounce) on the handle, walked away and when I came back, "The hole was there!!" .....Wayne >To add to Elisabeth's comment on dirlling glass. > >If the piece of glass is relatively small, just put it into a baking >tray with enough water to cover the glass, and you have a continuously >lubricated drill bit. > >Steve > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: glass paint and apt. safety Date: Mon Oct 12 12:01:37 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.93737.0> Precedence: bulk Judy The paint that you are referring to is called Color Magic, page 70 of the latest W-C catalog. I've played with it a little and it is nicer than acrylic but you still have the problem of it wearing Off the surface of a stepping stone. Vic This year at WC I was introduced to paints that go on glass without firing. I'm upstairs so don't have the bottles next to me but they came in like 30 colors and I can go find out the name if anyone would like it. They come in fingernail polish type bottles with brushes and the big thing to remember is after you use them on the glass you must wipe the brush off on a paper so you don't contaminate the rest of the paint. Other than that they seem to work great. They even have a bottle of UV sealer. Beautiful colors either in opaque or translucent. Judy (who's a cleaning lady, not a glass artist) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 13:45:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.114944.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: >I have an Inland Wizling. >All of a sudden, it is acting weird. Sometimes when I turn it on, it >works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece >of glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts >like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very >slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. >Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- I have the "All Star" grinder. When it was still under warranty it started to do the same thing. I brought it back to the store and when we turned it on there it was fine, (Murphy's Law) We came to the conclusion that I had cleaned it and washed very fine pieces of glass underneath the shaft to the motor. I made the mistake of using hot water directly from the water heater to rinse out the grinder tray. When I'd turn it on it started too slow or would stop completely, I turned it off immediately as not to not wreck the motor and took the bit and turned it back and forth by hand. Think the hot water caused enough expansion for the fine glass dust to get in where it shouldn't have. Since then I've installed a utility sink in the furnace room. I'd try a squirt of WD-40, take the bit off first. Don't stress the motor by running to long. Hope this helps. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 14:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: RE: Floor Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:08:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.12855.0> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote: >If you have a restaurant supply near you, you can look for a rubber >version of the Morton board. They are used behind a bar, where >liquids and broken glass make walking/standing hazardous. They >have the same 1/2 inch or so square holes in them. You lift them up >and shake them over a trash container. ................................................ We have a tavern and my husband has a piece of this rubber "drip catcher mat" on the floor of his truck where the coffee cup holders are. He drives a tad on the fast side and this saves the new carpet from stains. Never thought to use it in my glass shop, bought the large Morton Grid instead. Good Idea, Bob Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 14:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: RE: Soldering Surface Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.121234.0> Precedence: bulk I have a large piece of drywall on top of a 6 ft. drafting table, over that I have a 1/4 inch thick piece of clear glass (the kind used to protect desk tops) approximately 2 ft. x 2 ft. The drywall was left over from construction. If I need a surface to pin into, I move the glass over out of my way. For most soldering the glass is nice because it cleans up easily with a large putty knife & a little glass cleaner. KK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 14:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usaor.net!madglass From: Mary Ann Dulemba To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes/Wedding Gifts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981012151137.006d41a0@pop.usaor.net> References: <<1998Oct12.104324.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen, One of my favorite wedding gifts is to make a picture frame with the couple's wedding invitation in the middle. I use the colors and flowers off of the invitation as a guideline. Often, I add flowers to the corner of the frame to match the invitation. People seem to love them! Mary Ann At 06:43 AM 10/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >Dear Karen, >Thanks so much for the info regarding the windchimes! I did not expect it for >awhile due to your time pressure for the wedding gift you are making. Love >Birds sound like a very apt present for a wedding couple as well as the >wedding anniversary couple! Recently I made a wedding ring motiff from the >quilt known by that name. It was tedious trying to connect those rings >(copper foil) together with the necessary precision. Your panel sounds much >less tedious and a fine idea. Have any pics you could show me? Always >looking for new ideas. >Thanks again, Karen. > >What do other Bungies make for a wedding gift? Care to comment on your >favorites? > >Lenore >formerly Eleanor > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 14:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: dishwashers and men:) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810122024.NAA24093@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Yikes I wrote the wrong address I'll try this again, grin. > >Arnold, at this present time our dishwasher is called Kaj, grin. >Which isn't one of his fav's...something to do with soft hands??? >Now laundry is another chore which he is doing and I'm not sure where he is getting all of this stuff, but it sure is getting done. >One must truely Thank God for you men!!! >Cindy >And on the serious side of dishwashers and glass I think Pat has brought very good concerns. > > >>>>>>>We have a dishwasher...My wife calls me Husband >> >>Arnold<<<<<< >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 15:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Polishing Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.133239.0> Precedence: bulk Just walked in from checking the clothes line, since it was starting to rain and if anything was nearly dry, I wanted it in (I have only a solar powered drier!) and, on the television, the weatherman was saying, "Don't worry about those clouds. They aren't rain clouds." Meanwhile, it's raining harder... ...segue to... Anyway, the other day someone mentioned using Rain Dance Liquid Car Wax to polish glass. I've tried Kit carnauba car wax (a liquid wax) and am quite pleased. Much cheaper than buying carnauba wax for stained glass (Kem-Pro?). Really cleans and shines solder lines. P.S. If Patrick is practicing his jetes, will he be bringing recorded music or should the instumentally inclined in the group (not me) need to start practicing, too? My, this is getting complicated. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 15:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wire guage Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.13265.0> Precedence: bulk what is the best gauge for lamp wire. i'm up to the stage where i'm planning out where the conduit is going on my lamp. but i need to figure out how thick the wire will be. is there a minimum guage? there should be at least 2 bulbs, maybe 4 all around 60-75 watts. the switch will be a touch dimmer switch. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 15:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Copper Patina Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.135544.0> Precedence: bulk Apparently many of us have problems with copper patina spotting. I did too until I started using Kwick-Clean. It comes in a handy 1 pint spray bottle. It's easy to use...Spray it on, scrub it in with a rag and polish with an old terry cloth towel. It not only cleans and remove flux but it prevents the solder from chalking, they claim for 2 years. I've been using and selling it for about a year, I'm a retailer, and it hasn't disappointed me yet. It is not a polish. It cleans. Then use your favorite polish. I've been using "giraffe joos" as a final finish. It is a polymer, not a wax. You might want to check with your local, handy dandy s.g. retailer. It works, folks. [I don't make the stuff. I let my customers try it in my shop before I sell it to them. I will not guarantee it via mail order. I am not set up nor want to get into mail order business. My purpose here is to be helpful if I can and learn...Not to sell.] Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 15:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="wire" Subject: wire guage Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:37:31 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct12.13265.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk > what is the best gauge for lamp wire. i'm up to the stage where i'm > planning out where the conduit is going on my lamp. but i need to figure > out how thick the wire will be. > > is there a minimum guage? there should be at least 2 bulbs, maybe 4 all > around 60-75 watts. the switch will be a touch dimmer switch. > > ---Mike Savad yes there is a minimum gauge. go to home depot and ask for zip or lamp cord. this is a multstrand wire; you don't want to use solid core wire. i believe it is 16 gauge but am not sure. you can get zip cord in lots of colors or clear. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 16:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Sorry same posts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.144814.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry guys, if its not my machine its my ISP's, just called them and they have had some problems today, and I reposted from this morning and I see it twice now. I have to think PATIENCE!! KK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 16:36:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wedding Gifts. Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.82458.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I intertwine a pink heart and a blue heart and put the wedding date under that in a stepping stone. If the couple's first names are short, then I put their names inside the hearts. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 16:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass paint and apt. safety Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:58:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.135812.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't tried it yet; but you might try it under the glass. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 4:58 PM Subject: RE: glass paint and apt. safety >Judy > >The paint that you are referring to is called Color Magic, page 70 of >the latest W-C catalog. >I've played with it a little and it is nicer than acrylic but you still >have the problem of it wearing >Off the surface of a stepping stone. > >Vic > > This year at WC I was introduced to paints that go on >glass without firing. I'm upstairs so > don't have the bottles next to me but they came in like >30 colors and I > can go find out the name if anyone would like it. They >come in fingernail > polish type bottles with brushes and the big thing to >remember is after > you use them on the glass you must wipe the brush off on >a paper so you > don't contaminate the rest of the paint. Other than that >they seem to > work great. They even have a bottle of UV sealer. >Beautiful colors either > in opaque or translucent. > > Judy (who's a cleaning lady, not a glass artist) > > >___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free >Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: >glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 16:58:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Windchimes's Chimes/Wedding Gifts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:06:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct12.2367.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/12/98 2:45:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Yegnim@aol.com writes: << What do other Bungies make for a wedding gift? Care to comment on your favorites? >> For engagements I make the heart on the cover of Sentimental Favorites by Carolyn Kyle. It's made with bevels, clear glue chip and has a few open spaces in the middle. The leaves are overlaid. Everyone loves it. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 17:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: design software Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.135215.0> Precedence: bulk I own both Glass Eye and Designer Gleason... I prefer Glass Eye since it was a lot easier to get going with it.. I use it a lot...Print outs are easily faxed to clients..Supposed to be a V2 released around Christmas with even more clusters and stock bevels etc included.. Byron.... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:04 AM Subject: design software >Is anyone using Designer Software by American Bevel? > >Someone has already posted info about GlassEye Software > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 17:50:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wire guage Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.16911.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com wrote: > > > what is the best gauge for lamp wire. i'm up to the stage where i'm > > planning out where the conduit is going on my lamp. but i need to figure > > out how thick the wire will be. > > > > is there a minimum guage? there should be at least 2 bulbs, maybe 4 all > > around 60-75 watts. the switch will be a touch dimmer switch. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > yes there is a minimum gauge. go to home depot and ask for zip or lamp cord. > this is a multstrand wire; you don't want to use solid core wire. i believe it > is 16 gauge but am not sure. you can get zip cord in lots of colors or clear. > > regards, > charlie > Phoenix, AZ so far this is the main answer. for voltage this should be fine.. but what about melt down? the lamp may stay on for awhile and i would hate for the house to burn down do the the insulation catching on fire... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 17:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Soldering irons Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.162052.0> Precedence: bulk I have a Weller 100 iron at home that works great. I've only tried 2 different tips and find I prefer the one that comes with it. At the shop, I have a Mika 100 watt iron that is TOO hot. But it works well now, but still not as well as the Weller. I was rummaging through my closet and found an electric blanket controller that still worked, although the blanket was history. With a few modifications, and a little rosin core solder to attach a plug in socket onto the blanket end, I now have a free temperature controller. Now I'm going to wait until I can buy another Weller before I spend any more money on another cheap iron. Hope this helps give you some more ideas! Kathy in Sandyville, West Virginia (half way between Parkersburg and Charleston) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 18:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: escape.ca!bethan From: "D. B. Theunissen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: all my questions Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19981013072253.08575210@escape.ca> Precedence: bulk Thank you ever so much everybody for your thoughtful, friendly and sometimes downright hilarious responses to my questions. I am somewhat overwhelmed by the number of responses and the care people took to answer. (This overwhelmedness may also have been caused by the fact that I seem to be getting two of every message! What to do?) I feel considerable less depressed and more hopeful. Yippeee! I will take time to 'speak' to some people individually. I would like to follow up on some of the ideas. Two things for now. What is a hepa filter and where would one find one in Canada? Why did the Wheeler I bought go very dark brown on the stem between the handle and the tip when I first used it? It looked a bit ominous. Kind of like it was burning inside. Once again Many Thanks Bethan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 18:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: wire guage Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.1482.0> Precedence: bulk 16 or 18 guage should be fine for 2-4 bulbs Mike.. -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 9:34 AM Subject: wire guage >what is the best gauge for lamp wire. i'm up to the stage where i'm >planning out where the conduit is going on my lamp. but i need to figure >out how thick the wire will be. > >is there a minimum guage? there should be at least 2 bulbs, maybe 4 all >around 60-75 watts. the switch will be a touch dimmer switch. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 18:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hanging panel Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.135641.0> Precedence: bulk I always use chain...Fishing line will be damaged by sunlight and I sure wouldn't want my hard work to come crashing down... I use regular nickle plated,irridescent,brass and black chains depending on the color of the panel,frames etc... Byron .. Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 11:38 AM Subject: hanging panel >Howdy all, >I've finished my 20" quilt square pattern. I framed it with zinc and put >hangers ( little circles of wire) on the top. Now my question is, what's best >to hang it with? Do you always have to use chain, or will fishing line do? >Thanks, >Susan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 18:57:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pricing (sort of) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.14423.0> Precedence: bulk Hmm well if it's something totally original and not just another geometric design perhaps it would be worth more...I deal mostly with home builders and they dont want originality.. They just want cheap...hehe Unfortuneately I dont get to do much in the way of fancy design work most of the time... They just want simple geometric patterns with clear textures and bevels (safe stuff)...The up side is steady work to pay the bills.. Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Pricing (sort of) >Does this price take into consideration that the pattern is an orginial >design? >Thanks >Shirley B > >Byron Wells wrote: >> >> With only 18 pieces I'd charge about $150-$200... >> >> Byron... >> Wells Glassworks >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 19:25:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "D. B. Theunissen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: all my questions Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.175046.0> References: <<3.0.16.19981013072253.08575210@escape.ca>> Precedence: bulk D. B. Theunissen wrote: > > Thank you ever so much everybody for your thoughtful, friendly and > sometimes downright hilarious responses to my questions. I am somewhat > overwhelmed by the number of responses and the care people took to answer. > (This overwhelmedness may also have been caused by the fact that I seem to > be getting two of every message! What to do?) I feel considerable less > depressed and more hopeful. Yippeee! > > I will take time to 'speak' to some people individually. I would like to > follow up on some of the ideas. Two things for now. > > What is a hepa filter and where would one find one in Canada? > > Why did the Wheeler I bought go very dark brown on the stem between the > handle and the tip when I first used it? It looked a bit ominous. Kind of > like it was burning inside. > > Once again > Many Thanks > Bethan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass a hepa filter (though pricey), can be found in most appliance stores. it also might be located in an enviromental catalog, or section of the store. the iron is either discolored from the heat (normal). or the tip needs cleaning. in which you would use the tinning block. unless you actually smell something burning, i would'nt be to worried. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 19:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:05:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: MISGLAS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: grinder Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:04:13 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.2413.0> Precedence: bulk I don't have a drain in my grinder, either. I empty it into a plastic pail with an old metal spatula then wipe the grinder reservoir out with damp paper toweling before refilling with water. When the water in the pail evaporates I put the glass dust in a plastic bag, tie it securely and put it in the trash. After trying various methods, this seems to work the best for me. Regards, Kathi from Madison, Wisconsin, (for Elizabeth) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 19:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wire gauge and Pricing(NEW) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.18196.0> References: <<1998Oct12.16911.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Mike: I would suggest you contact your local electrical inspection office and get expert answers to your question about the wire gauge. Wiring regulations vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Better safe than sorry. This would cover you as far as insurance goes also. Now for a new question. What is a fair price for the removal and re-leading, and reinstallation of a Church window that is 24" wide X 92" high. All geometric design. The window required extensive cleaning as it was 86 yrs old. This window had an opener in it also and was in 3 sections. New reinforcing required on the largest section. Some broken pieces had to be replaced. Thanking you in advance for your replies. Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 20:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: bethan@escape.ca, glass@bungi.com Subject: all my questions Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:26:39, -0500 Message-ID: <199810130326.XAA11536@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>What is a hepa filter and where would one find one in Canada? Why did the Wheeler I bought go very dark brown on the stem between the handle and the tip when I first used it? It looked a bit ominous. Kind of like it was burning inside. Once again Many Thanks Bethan<< A HEPA filter is a US OSHA approved filter. The trouble is that the filter is not in an approved instillation for your home arrangement. It might do a little good by removing fine particles from the air that goes through it but only a small fraction of the air goes through it. Further the filters are expensive and require frequent changing. I recommend you save your money and find some way to exhaust air from your workspace. The iron discoloring on the first few heats is normal and nothing to worry about. The heating coils are below the discolored area, so, yes there was normal burning inside. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 22:40:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.192543.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, guess I need to add.... I work on glass every day possible. So... I want a grinder that is up to my working 4-12 hours a day. Obviously the grinder wont work as much, but just wanted my educators to know I seriously work on glass. A grinding question... Am I doing it wrong? When do you guys do your grinding? As you cut *a* piece? Or...like I do... cut it all out, lay it out, give it a good look and go from there? When I grind, I am only taking off minute peices of glass. (I really dont think excessive pressure was my problem with my wizling) I am usually taking off the rough from having used a grozing plier or from having strayed *just* over my line in one spot. When I *really* overscore, I rescore and groze, then grind. The very sharp edges I take care of with my handy dandy file. Suzanne (in Tulsa of course) -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 23:05:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:00:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.20015.0> Precedence: bulk > do yourself a favor and get the biggest grinder you can afford. i like > my wizard... mainly because of the large working surface. try to find > the pop top kind, it's the easiest to clean. > > ---Mike Savad > I see you are anticipating my next question. Way to go Mike! So, does this mean you recommend the Inland Wizard? Do you know anything about the Diamond Tech Power Max deluxe? A comparison Wizard Power Max Deluxe horsepower 1/11 1/8 rpm 3500 3600 bits included 1" and 1/4" 1" and 1/4" work surface 9 1/2" x 12" 9 1/4"x 9 1/4" Any comments? The Wizard is permanently sealed just like the wizling isnt it? I dont know about the Power max deluxe. What about the Glastar Super Star II? Anyone know anything about it? I am listening to any suggestions regarding the purchase of my new grinder. I need to make as educated decision as quickly as possible! Yikes. Please educate me! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 12 23:36:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: bethan@escape.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: safety! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:17:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.61752.0> Precedence: bulk I'm sure that being fed all of the safety info at once would be enough to depress anyone. Yes, there are some potential health risks (you could get one really nasty cut, if you are not concentrating on what you're doing) Taken to extreme, one might sever an artery and bleed to death..possible, but not likely. You might get lead poisioning, if you consume food while working, but are you really likely to do that? I don't think so. You need to use common sense. Should you wear gloves when grinding? Yes, if you will feel safer, no if you won't (latex medical gloves might work)! Does the fume box really work, yes, even though I work in a well ventilated area, and cold is not a problem where I live, I thought that the box made sense, and I see a noticable difference!! Before you consider giving this up (it sooo hard to find things to love these days), consider just taking all the info in stride, and deciding what works for you!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 00:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!17b6sfj8 From: "Karen Klomparens" <17b6sfj8@softhouse.com> To: "Bungi List" , "Carol Swann" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.221225.0> Precedence: bulk The All -Star doesn't have a pop out tray, It has a drain hole in the bottom of the water well. You scrap out what you can, and you can pour water from a pitcher to wash down the rest. I shouldn't have used such hot water. Live and learn. KK. >I hope you're removing the bit and then removing the grinder tray from the >grinder before you scrape or rinse out the tray. Putting the whole grinder >in or near water is just asking for an electrical short. > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 01:41:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BOB DUCHESNEAU , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct12.20364.0> References: <<199810130620.CAA09808@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk > To sum up in a nutshell. Get yourself a Glasstar intermediate. You > will be pleased. > > Bob Thanks for the info Bob. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 03:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:RE: Questions Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.21510.0> Precedence: bulk Charles, is that set-up any good for the weller 100 with the built-in regulator. I believe it is magnetic built in to the tip? I've got a brand spanking new one as a second iron. Sounds great. Linda Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com get a weller. go to the hardware store. get a lamp dimmer switch, a socket, 3 feet of lamp cord, a switch wall box, and a wall plug. connect the plug to the one end of the wire. connect the other end to the dimmer switch. connect the output of the dimmer switch to the plug with short pieces of wire. screw both switch and plug in box. connect soldering iron to plug. connect wall plug to wall socket. you now have a soldering iron controller that cost you about $7. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 04:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Copper Patina Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:20:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.22031.0> Precedence: bulk I was beginning to wonder what all the hub-bub was about with the copper patina. I thought maybe folks weren't cleaning well enough ( I use the dish detergent and baking soda). And I don't seem to have these problems with copper patina. Now this post about the water. I'm on well water in the country. Maybe that's it. No chemicals. Linda Charles said: i've been wondering about this for a long time and wonder if it's something in the water that is affecting the plating chemistry. since most public water systems use either chlorine or chloramine, i wonder if the chlorine ions is what is causing this. anyone on a private well or water system, who has had their water tested for various minerals, used any of their water to make up a patina? has anyone tried using distilled water for a final rinse after scrubbing pieces? for that matter, do makers of the premixed copper patinas use distilled water or their local tap water? regards, charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 04:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: grinder problems Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:58:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.125848.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: >I have an Inland Wizling. >All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it >works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of >glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts >like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very >slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. > >Does this sound familiar to any of you? Is my grinder dying on me? > >Tulsa Suzanne Sounds like the motor bearings.. All of the grinder motors I have seen up to now have phosphor bronze bearings. These metal bearings are like a sponge and normally hold oil to lubricate themselves. They are housed in caps on the ends of the motor and the motor shaft runs in them. Put some light machine oil on them by inserting a nozzle down the side of the caps by the motor shaft and they should recover ok and the motor will run again. Do not power it up with a stalled motor as it will cook and ruin the motor windings and write off the motor unless there is a special over temperature cut out switch fitted as my inland grinder has to cover UK regulations. Brandon UK 12 mile sw of Birmingham Uk IO92XL Uk call sign G4ISQ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 05:22:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Polishing Date: Tue Oct 13 04:37:02 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.2132.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk i quess anyone who is not going to wear a glass tu-tu is going to have to make a glass kazoo to play the music On Monday, October 12, 1998 5:33 PM, Family Account wrote: > Just walked in from checking the clothes line, since it was starting to > rain and if anything was nearly dry, I wanted it in (I have only a solar > powered drier!) and, on the television, the weatherman was saying, > "Don't worry about those clouds. They aren't rain clouds." Meanwhile, > it's raining harder... > ...segue to... > Anyway, the other day someone mentioned using Rain Dance Liquid Car Wax > to polish glass. I've tried Kit carnauba car wax (a liquid wax) and am > quite pleased. Much cheaper than buying carnauba wax for stained glass > (Kem-Pro?). Really cleans and shines solder lines. > > P.S. If Patrick is practicing his jetes, will he be bringing recorded > music or should the instumentally inclined in the group (not me) need to > start practicing, too? My, this is getting complicated. > > Dorothy K > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 05:48:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Suzanne" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 08:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199810131217.IAA22736@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Suzanne writes: >What about the Glastar Super Star II? Anyone know anything about it? >I am listening to any suggestions regarding the purchase of my new >grinder. I need to make as educated decision as quickly as possible! >Yikes. Please educate me! ;o) Hi Suzanne, I've had the Glastar Super Star (G8) for about 8-9 years now. It's going wonderfully, no complaints. A couple of months ago the off-on switch started getting "soft", I called Glastar, they sent me a new one pronto, no charge. Oh yes, one small problem - I can't get water up to the 1/4" tip anymore. I'm too lazy to persue it, because it's easy enough to cool off with a wet sponge the few times I use it. Bet if I called them they'd send a new thingie, though! Suzy (Old Suzanne, new name) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 06:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Hotglass4u From: Hotglass4u@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Carlisle Torches At A Discount Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:30:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.123026.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I am pleased to let all our kiln customers know that by your requests we have now added Carlisle Torches to our product line. We offer these exceptional torches at a discount to the glass artist - just like we offer kilns at a discount. Check out our growing web site - you may have to click on reload to get the new pages if you have looked at the site previously to get the new info. Check out: CDVKILN.COM We thank you for your support this past year! Marty & Sue Daily Centre DeVerre ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 06:51:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Suzanne" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 08:47:40 -0400 Message-ID: <199810131251.IAA25677@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Tulsa Suzanne asks: >When do you guys do your grinding? As you cut *a* piece? Or...like I >do... cut it all out, lay it out, give it a good look and go from there? I usually grind three or four pieces at a time, just because of the "boring" factor. It's probably helpful to grind contiguous pieces at the same time - you can adjust them to fit right there on top of the grinder. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 07:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:28:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.52827.0> Precedence: bulk I've been using Glastar Super Star 11for 5 or 6 years and have had no problems. For my money, it's the best available. The lub system of the Diamond Star leaves a lot to be desired... Arnold Creekside Creations -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 2:17 AM Subject: Forgot to send to the group >> do yourself a favor and get the biggest grinder you can afford. i like >> my wizard... mainly because of the large working surface. try to find >> the pop top kind, it's the easiest to clean. >> >> ---Mike Savad >> > >I see you are anticipating my next question. Way to go Mike! So, does >this mean you recommend the Inland Wizard? >Do you know anything about the Diamond Tech Power Max deluxe? >A comparison > > Wizard Power Max Deluxe > >horsepower 1/11 1/8 >rpm 3500 3600 >bits included 1" and 1/4" 1" and 1/4" >work surface 9 1/2" x 12" 9 1/4"x 9 1/4" > >Any comments? >The Wizard is permanently sealed just like the wizling isnt it? >I dont know about the Power max deluxe. >What about the Glastar Super Star II? Anyone know anything about it? >I am listening to any suggestions regarding the purchase of my new >grinder. I need to make as educated decision as quickly as possible! >Yikes. Please educate me! ;o) > >Tulsa Suzanne > >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > > >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 07:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:44:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.134426.0> Precedence: bulk I seem to have been dropped from the list I would like to be put back on the list please.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 07:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Wedding Gifts Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:48:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.54855.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lenore: >What do other Bungies make for a wedding gift? Care to comment on your favorites?< Oak-framed oval with two intertwined roses. Background is Spectrum clear Artique (c). Etched with the bride & groom's names & date. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 07:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:49:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.5492.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >When do you guys do your grinding? As you cut *a* piece? Or...like I do... cut it all out, lay it out, give it a good look and go from there?<= Cut 'em all and then grind. Saves some serious time. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 07:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: B J Snell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Copper Patina Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981013101043.006fd370@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Being on well water does not mean you have no chemicals..... I am on well water with many minerals, gases and chemicals that mother nature provides free of charge. Sulphur for one keeps me hopping. It will oxidize copper foil and solder in a heart beat. It will also does a job on copper patina. Barbara >X-Path: memach.com!lcbell >X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) >From: Linda Campbell < >To: "'Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com'" < >Subject: RE: Copper Patina >Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:20:31 -0400 > >I was beginning to wonder what all the hub-bub was about with the copper >patina. I thought maybe folks weren't cleaning well enough ( I use the dish >detergent and baking soda). And I don't seem to have these problems with >copper patina. > >Now this post about the water. I'm on well water in the country. Maybe >that's it. No chemicals. > >Linda > > > >Charles said: > >i've been wondering about this for a long time and wonder if it's something >in >the water that is affecting the plating chemistry. since most public water >systems use either chlorine or chloramine, i wonder if the chlorine ions is >what is causing this. > >anyone on a private well or water system, who has had their water tested >for >various minerals, used any of their water to make up a patina? > >has anyone tried using distilled water for a final rinse after scrubbing >pieces? for that matter, do makers of the premixed copper patinas use >distilled water or their local tap water? > >regards, >charlie > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >
0000,0000,8080~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 8080,0000,0000Barbara J. Snell Manager, Balch Dining Cornell University
0000,0000,8080 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 08:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My new grinder! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:46:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.44629.0> Precedence: bulk Ok... I figured that with the 20% discount I can get the Allstar including shipping for $149.95. Cant beat that! *And* stays within $150.oo like I was hoping. Doesnt this sound like a great deal? Suzanne, getting excited now...a new toy! -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 08:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Granny And PawPaw , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:35:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.4359.0> References: <<1998Oct13.52827.0>> Precedence: bulk > I've been using Glastar Super Star 11for 5 or 6 years and have had no > problems. For my money, it's the best available. The lub system of the > Diamond Star leaves a lot to be desired... > Thanks Arnold... What is the lub system? So far the best retail prices I have found on the glastar super star II (G12)is $126.95 and for the All Star (G8) $170.00 You say for the price it is the best...do you think the All star is worth $50 more? Sounds as if it might to me...course I dont know how high my husband will let me go ;o) He did mention before he left this morning to page him before I order one! Hehehehe. The G-12 model G8 allstar horsepower 1/15 1/9 rpm 3450 3560 work surface8x9 11x13 These differences at $50 sound like a reasonable difference... Seems to be the majority of my advice has steered me towards Glastar, and if I can afford it the Allstar. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 08:39:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grinders Yeehaa...... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.44059.0> Precedence: bulk Was just looking in Delphi's hard copy catalog (one of the few companies who will send one free and without an order btw). They not only have the lowest price I have seen so far for the Allstar, but also have a 20% discount coupon on your first order from *this* catalog until Oct 16th! AS I said Yeehaa! (sound like an Okie Canadian, eh?) ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 08:57:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Got the go ahead! ;o) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.53334.0> Precedence: bulk Ok...First of all, thank you very much for all the grinder feedback. I am soooo excited. Am ordering the All Star, and a new lead shears for are you ready for this? $155.70!!! This includes shipping! I did call my local retailer to give her a chance. I figured if she would get even close I would buy from her. Her price for the All Star was $275. I told her that I would rather buy from her, but money being what it is, I need to save all I can, and would be ordering from a catalog. I know she would do the same. Should have it in 3-4 days... Can have alot of glass waiting for it's use in that time! ;o) Suzanne, soon to be the proud new owner of an All Star! -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 09:04:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Grinder, etc. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:20 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199810131544.KAA17960@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk My grinder isn't close to a source of water, so I keep some in a two liter soda (pop) bottle to replenish as necessary. I also keep an old plastic margarine tub handy into which I scrape (with an old rubber spatula) the ground glass gunk. (Somebody once told me there was a name for that stuff, but I've forgotten. Wasn't sure at the time if he was "pulling my leg." Suppose we could come up with one of our own, but maybe we don't wanna go there.....) Anyway, when the margarine tub is full, I snap the lid on and throw it out. I really hate grinding (for some reason I always mess up my already miserable fingernails), but on small to medium panels I tend to cut all the pieces of one color, grind those, and move on to the next color. When it's all done, the panel moves from the basement to the living room for foiling in front of the TV--seems like I always have some movie I taped for later viewing. An aside (extended lurking makes me chatty?)---my Thursday night glass group (for those who missed my boring bio, there's a bunch of us who schlep our projects to a local studio once a week) has decided that since each of us seems to prefer different aspects of the process, we should produce pieces on an assembly line. One gal is a terrific artist--she can draw the cartoons and advise on colors. I particularly like cutting, others foiling, soldering, etc. It's pretty much a running joke, but we do all help each other with the parts which we consider our strengths.... Kaye Stuck in the Midwest (Morton Grove, IL--suburb of Chicago), but Seattle's "home." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 09:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My new grinder! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.5520.0> References: <<199810131533.LAA12398@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk I got the All Star grinder, a new pair of lead shears, and novacan coolant including shipping for $160.00!! I am one happy camper! My local retailer did not score any points today. She wanted as I said $275.00 for the grinder alone. Lordy, just think of all the glass I can buy for that extra $115.00 ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 09:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grinder problems Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:46:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.15466.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/12/98 8:00:56 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >All of a sudden, it is acting wierd. Sometimes when I turn it on, it >works but makes more noise than it ever has. Then if I grind a piece of >glass and turn it off, come back with another piece to grind...it acts >like it wants to come on and the bit make turn a time or two very >slowing and make a real whiny "I cant move" kind of sound. Yup, sounds like your motor's freezing up. Just about any electric motor will do that eventually. Time to get a new grinder! Sparks (again, no pun intended), trusting Elisabeth not to have that great big ol' US/Canada map hung up on the wall with a box of pushpins (or worse, horseshoe nails, since she works in lead) ready to do the "voodoo" number on our home towns......... can you tell I'm in a rather strange mood this morning, so what else is new =8-O ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 09:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Copper Patina Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199810131527.IAA09409@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > Being on well water does not mean you have no chemicals..... I am on well water with many minerals, gases and chemicals that mother nature provides free of charge. Sulphur for one keeps me hopping> > > Barbara > We also are on well water but have a reverse osmosis system for drinking water. That's what I use to wash any patina'd pieces. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 09:53:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.62417.0> References: <<1998Oct12.192543.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Oh, guess I need to add.... I work on glass every day possible. So... I > want a grinder that is up to my working 4-12 hours a day. Obviously the > grinder wont work as much, but just wanted my educators to know I > seriously work on glass. > > A grinding question... Am I doing it wrong? > > When do you guys do your grinding? As you cut *a* piece? Or...like I > do... cut it all out, lay it out, give it a good look and go from there? > > When I grind, I am only taking off minute peices of glass. (I really > dont think excessive pressure was my problem with my wizling) I am > usually taking off the rough from having used a grozing plier or from > having strayed *just* over my line in one spot. When I *really* > overscore, I rescore and groze, then grind. The very sharp edges I take > care of with my handy dandy file. > > Suzanne (in Tulsa of course) > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use all the techniques. for suncatchers i cut all, then grind all. in a panel i'll do a group, cut, grind, foil, like when doing a flower. i'l grind off what's needed. a sharp section, a little knob, a cut i miscut slightly, stuff like that. or just general reshaping - the little dome that i made, after cutting the white parts out with a band saw i used the grinder to reshape it and even it out. along with making a sharper point at the end. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 10:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Copper Patina Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.74058.0> Precedence: bulk I guess maybe I do have some chemicals. Never had it tested except to pass the health test, no critters and such. I doubt there is much sulfur in it. Still, I'm on the edge of the Dismal Swamp and I suspect there is a fair amount of tannin leached into the water supply from the cypress trees and peat around. The water from the lake in the center of the swamp was used during colonial and later periods to fill drinking water flasks on ships because its properties kept it from spoiling (yes, water will spoil) during long sea voyages. Left to sit for a while the water does turn darker but it tastes the same. Getting ready to refinance our house at a lower rate and another water test is required. I'll ask if they can do a chemical analysis to see just what minerals are in it. Whatever it is in it does not seem to cause me any trouble with patina or corrosion of the lead solder. Thanks, Linda -----Original Message----- From: B J Snell [SMTP:bjs10@cornell.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:11 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Copper Patina Being on well water does not mean you have no chemicals..... I am on well water with many minerals, gases and chemicals that mother nature provides free of charge. Sulphur for one keeps me hopping. It will oxidize copper foil and solder in a heart beat. It will also does a job on copper patina. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 10:08:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinders Yeehaa...... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.75953.0> References: <<1998Oct13.44059.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Was just looking in Delphi's hard copy catalog (one of the few companies > who will send one free and without an order btw). > > They not only have the lowest price I have seen so far for the Allstar, > but also have a 20% discount coupon on your first order from *this* > catalog until Oct 16th! AS I said Yeehaa! (sound like an Okie Canadian, > eh?) ;o) > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass another consideration is to get the inland twin spin. it comes with a pop top surface, with a grinder bit. plus a seperate assemble for the disc. you could use it as a normal grinder. then if you wanted to chamfer the edge of a piece of glass, you can attach the disk attachment. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 10:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Suzanne" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: My new grinder! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 11:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <199810131533.LAA12398@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Ok... I figured that with the 20% discount I can get the Allstar >including shipping for $149.95. Cant beat that! *And* stays within >$150.oo like I was hoping. >Doesnt this sound like a great deal? > >Suzanne, getting excited now...a new toy! >-- Suzanne, that's an excellent price and you will love it! Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 10:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grinder, etc. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.63435.0> Precedence: bulk Kaye Sodt wrote:> > An aside (extended lurking makes me chatty?)---my Thursday > night glass group (for those who missed my boring bio, there's a > bunch of us who schlep our projects to a local studio once a week) > has decided that since each of us seems to prefer different aspects > of the process, we should produce pieces on an assembly line. > One gal is a terrific artist--she can draw the cartoons and advise on > colors. I particularly like cutting, others foiling, soldering, etc. It's > pretty much a running joke, but we do all help each other with the > parts which we consider our strengths.... > > Kaye I think that sounds like a lot of fun. Y'all should try it sometime. I have been avoiding soldering lately, which is easy to do since I have been making so many stones, but one of the stones I turned out yesterday (my own design btw) I have fallen in love with, and wish I had made it as a panel and had my dad make a round oak frame. I guess while I wait for my new grinder, I should really work on cleaning my soldering tip and get it in shape, and make that again as a round panel. Dad does gorgeous woodwork. He does make some incredible shadow box type frames for a watercolor artist friend of ours (way too cheap) and has made me some amazing frames for pictures. If his health were better I would recommend him to any of you, but I think he just cant handle much anymore :o( physically. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 10:38:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: design software Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:38:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.163831.0> Precedence: bulk I have previously stated that I'm of the GlassEye ilk. But if I may make a suggestion.... Both GlassEye and American Bevel have demo versions that you can download off the internet. Try them yourself and see which one you like. That is how I made my decision. I know GlassEye is www.dfly.com I'm not sure about the American Bevel address, so won't guess here. You can link to both from www.artglassworld.com I think that your best decision will be made when you've tried them yourself and decided which suits your knowledge level and needs. Cheryl in New Jersey Glass Lites Studio GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 11:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass music, was Re: Polishing Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:48:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.174816.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/12/98 10:25:33 PM, shad@mail2.nai.net wrote: >P.S. If Patrick is practicing his jetes, will he be bringing recorded >music or should the instumentally inclined in the group (not me) need to >start practicing, too? My, this is getting complicated. > >Dorothy K A few suggestions: I've got a CD somewhere of works by Mozart for glass armonica (yup, it's properly spelled without the "h"), and several CDs by Philip Glass.... Even a lot of the non-"musically inclined" can get a nice sound out of the old "blow-across-the-top-of-the-beer-bottle" trick or the "wet-finger-around-the- goblet-rim" trick...... How about those glass wind chimes? or a pan pipe of Pyrex tubing? Or a glass flute? (They do make those, and they are quite playable.) I've got a glass Christmas bell somewhere, how about a glass bell choir? Or maybe he could choreograph something to Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken Glass"...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 11:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: floor! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:48:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.174819.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/12/98 8:17:36 PM, Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com wrote: >you can also get a rubber mat that would be way more comfortable to stand on >besides plywood. it has about 1" holes already cut into it. i've seen it for >sale in woodworkers stores and even costco. The holes in bar mats are as much for drainage in case of spills as anything. For dry environments, I prefer regular foam rubber anti-fatigue mats (no holes and a very slightly textured surface). If you're wearing shoes with treads (like my hiking boots or even a lot of high-tech sneakers these days), you're less likely to catch the tread of your shoe in the mat and stumble. (People often don't think about the hazards of mats with holes, but I've seen people go flying on them. One of the dumbest things I ever saw was when a bank I worked for installed all new anti-fatigue mats-with-holes for the tellers to stand on, forgetting that a lot of tellers were still wearing high heels at the time.......) Christie has a good foam mat that's very comfortable to stand on and its surface is soft enough that glass chips tend to stick in it rather than getting tracked all over the place. The one drawback is that it does tend to slide around some if dirt/glass chips get under it. If you're someplace (like an apartment) where you can't stick your mat down with double-stick tape, or if you want to be able to take the mat outside to clean it, you can get a roll of rubberized anti-skid mesh from a hardware store to put under it. For my own garage shop, I trash-picked some sizeable carpet scraps. Comfy to stand on and no holes to catch shoe treads, but the low pile catches glass chips just fine, and when it gets loaded up I can take it outside and hose it down good or simply throw it away if it gets really bad. An "astroturf" or fuzzy brown jute door mat would work too - the astroturf would be really easy to hose down. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 11:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: oops, was Re: grinder problems Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:48:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.174818.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry all, my last message on the subject (which just got sent) was a leftover one from yesterday morning when I couldn't get on line. Congrats on the new toy, Suzanne! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 12:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: floor! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:06:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct13.19654.0> Precedence: bulk I use a Morton glass cutting surface. Sometimes glass shards will end up sticking nasty side up in the little compartments. When I try and hurry - not dumping the board religiously - that's when I get taught a lesson. My concern about a Morton floor surface is that pieces would fall wrong side up causing potential pain and suffering. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 13:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Grinders Yeehaa...... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.104215.0> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I really like the All-Star, the bits last a lot longer than Inlands. The only improvement they could make is to come out with different shaped bits like one to bevel, I've seen them for other grinders even the ones that don't have the big discs. KK. >Suzanne wrote: >> >> Was just looking in Delphi's hard copy catalog (one of the few companies >> who will send one free and without an order btw). >> >> They not only have the lowest price I have seen so far for the Allstar, >> but also have a 20% discount coupon on your first order from *this* >> catalog until Oct 16th! AS I said Yeehaa! (sound like an Okie Canadian, >> eh?) ;o) >> >> Suzanne >> -- > >another consideration is to get the inland twin spin. it comes with a >pop top surface, with a grinder bit. plus a seperate assemble for the >disc. you could use it as a normal grinder. then if you wanted to >chamfer the edge of a piece of glass, you can attach the disk >attachment. > >---Mike Savad > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 13:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My new grinder! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.115646.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I'll bet you'll be a winner when you grow up. You're very cute now. Never grow up. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:58 AM Subject: My new grinder! >Ok... I figured that with the 20% discount I can get the Allstar >including shipping for $149.95. Cant beat that! *And* stays within >$150.oo like I was hoping. >Doesnt this sound like a great deal? > >Suzanne, getting excited now...a new toy! >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 14:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.113746.0> Precedence: bulk Messed up and hit the wrong key. This was the only way I could get it out. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Granny And PawPaw To: bungi Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group >I have never stopped the grinder by pushing too hard. There was no need. >Therfore, I don't need the extra fractional horsepower. Yes, there were >times that I would have liked the table to be larger; but not that often for >an extra $50.00. You can always jury-rig something if needed. Because I am >so happy with the Super 11 it is my best seller. Never a complaint yet and >I must have sold at least 50. >For what it's worth. > >Arnold >-----Original Message----- >From: Suzanne >To: Granny And PawPaw ; glass@bungi.com > >Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:24 AM >Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group > > >>> I've been using Glastar Super Star 11for 5 or 6 years and have had no >>> problems. For my money, it's the best available. The lub system of the >>> Diamond Star leaves a lot to be desired... >>> >>Thanks Arnold... >> >>What is the lub system? >> >>So far the best retail prices I have found on the glastar super star II >>(G12)is $126.95 >>and for the All Star (G8) $170.00 >> >>You say for the price it is the best...do you think the All star is >>worth $50 more? Sounds as if it might to me...course I dont know how >>high my husband will let me go ;o) He did mention before he left this >>morning to page him before I order one! Hehehehe. >> >>The G-12 model G8 allstar >>horsepower 1/15 1/9 >>rpm 3450 3560 >>work surface8x9 11x13 >> >>These differences at $50 sound like a reasonable difference... >> >>Seems to be the majority of my advice has steered me towards Glastar, >>and if I can afford it the Allstar. >> >>Suzanne >>-- >>~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 14:11:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Karen K." , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinders Yeehaa...... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.105820.0> References: <<1998Oct13.104215.0>> Precedence: bulk >From what I have seen in my comparisons in the last 2 days time...it appears that almost *any* bit will work on the Super Star. In Delphi's current catalog page 149 they have a great bit comparison chart with a list of bits and all the machines they will work on. They show 2 Mika beveling bits, one is 12 degrees and the other is 45 degrees. They are shown to work with the All Star. The 12 degree is $60.95 Stock # 7307 the 45 degree is $45.95 #7301 Their 20% off coupon is good through today if you want to order one. Thier number is 800-748-0374 coupon P8. A walking ad again. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 14:40:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com, giapet@softhouse.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Correction Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:06:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.11635.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry... I made a mistake. To order from Delphi using the 20% off coupon P8, you need to call a different number, it is (800) 248-2048 and the last day it can be used is October 16th, not the 13th. Sorry for the mistake. I will try to be quiet a while now. Thanks again everyone for your suggestions and info on grinders, I really appreciate it. Suzanne, whose report cards always said "talks too much" -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 15:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Kaye Sodt Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Grinder and fingernails Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct13.71814.0> References: <<199810131544.KAA17960@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kaye: Just a tip to save your fingernails while you grind. An office supply house will have finger cots that you can use on your index fingers while grinding. They come small, medium, and large. I use two and find it really help keep my fingernails intact. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 15:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kaye Sodt Subject: Grinder, broken fingernails Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:19:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.231958.0> References: <<199810131544.KAA17960@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk Kaye, In message <199810131544.KAA17960@relay.acns.nwu.edu>, Kaye Sodt writes .......cut.............. > >I really hate grinding (for some reason I always mess up my >already miserable fingernails), I've found that the finger protectors that are used by people counting lots of bank notes, pieces of paper, etc. are very good for reducing the incidence of broken nails and small cuts on fingers. I buy large sized ones (not just because of the size of my hands) and turn them inside out. The litte nobs on the inside mean that during extended use my fingers get some ventilation. No cuts, no shattered nails. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 15:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "suzy@comcat.com" Subject: Re: Forgot to send to the group Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:11:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.231118.0> References: <<199810131217.IAA22736@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Suzy, A problem like that was solved for me by someone on the list a few months ago. The impeller for pumping the water up to the top is inclined to rise up the shaft. take off the top and push the plastic impeller down with your hand. Refil with water, put the top on, switch on and you should get water to the top again. Steve In message <199810131217.IAA22736@uz.ComCAT.COM>, "suzy@comcat.com" writes >Suzanne writes: >>What about the Glastar Super Star II? Anyone know anything about it? >>I am listening to any suggestions regarding the purchase of my new >>grinder. I need to make as educated decision as quickly as possible! >>Yikes. Please educate me! ;o) > >Hi Suzanne, >I've had the Glastar Super Star (G8) for about 8-9 years now. It's going >wonderfully, no complaints. A couple of months ago the off-on switch >started getting "soft", I called Glastar, they sent me a new one pronto, >no charge. > >Oh yes, one small problem - I can't get water up to the 1/4" tip anymore. > I'm too lazy to persue it, because it's easy enough to cool off with a >wet sponge the few times I use it. Bet if I called them they'd send a new >thingie, though! > >Suzy (Old Suzanne, new name) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 15:37:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Will the Real Suzanne.....? Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct13.73936.0> References: <<199810131533.LAA12398@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Dear Suzannes: It is difficult to know which one of you is doing the talking. Wonder if you guys can help us know which is which. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 15:48:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Coupons & Fume Traps Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:27:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.132742.0> Precedence: bulk From: Suzanne Subject: Correction & coupon >Sorry... I made a mistake. >To order from Delphi using the 20% off coupon P8, you need to call a >different number, it is (800) 248-2048 >and the last day it can be used is October 16th, not the 13th. >Sorry for the mistake. >I will try to be quiet a while now. >Thanks again everyone for your suggestions and info on grinders, I >really appreciate it. > >Suzanne, whose report cards always said "talks too much" >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ Hi, I just checked the Delphi catalog and yes it has the coupon good till Oct. 16th. My question is which fume trap to buy. I've got a wimpy bathroom fan in the ceiling with a 3ft. ribbed tube that has a big red gasoline funnel at the end. I used to have this hovering overhead when soldering, but the whistling noise made by the tube drives me crazy. I checked into a bigger bathroom ceiling exhaust fans at the hardware store-around $95. I would have to replace the tube with a smooth sided one to eliminate the whistle. (Is everyone following this?) Since keeping the window open in Michigan winter weather is out would it be better to just buy a fume trap or try to work with what there now? Delphi has 2 for under $70, one with a charcoal filter & one with a hepa. Which is best? Someone also mentioned a Hunter brand from a hardware store. All the talk about safety has me a little freaked out. Thanks in advance for any and all replies!! :-) KK. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 16:12:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Grinders Yeehaa...... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:23:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199810132223.SAA11476@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>They show 2 Mika beveling bits, one is 12 degrees and the other is 45 degrees. They are shown to work with the All Star. The 12 degree is $60.95 Stock # 7307 the 45 degree is $45.95 #7301 Their 20% off coupon is good through today if you want to order one. Thier number is 800-748-0374 coupon P8. A walking ad again. Suzanne<< I am not much for the above two bits unless there is a special need for them. They bevel the edge but do not of course create a polished bevel surface. You might well consider getting a 1' fine and perhaps a 1" coarse bit. There are times when the fine bit is necessary to create a fine edge without noticable chipping such as a non foiled edge that shows. I also like to use them on mirror edge. The coarse is less useful but sure does eat glass. Just a thought, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 17:45:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: floor! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.161230.0> References: <<1998Oct13.19654.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I have a dedicated shop vac, and use the hose end to vacuum stuff up from the Morton surface. Saves spillage if you try to turn it over to dump it out. Even a hand vac will do fine. I do this after several pieces, just because of the " Sometimes glass shards will > end up sticking nasty side up" problem. Also use the hose or wand to vac the floor imediatly around cutting area. Lee Boe Rain-Boes Creations Sarasota, 1 hour south of Tampa on the west coast of Florida (but I think your already found me Elisabeth :-) JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > I use a Morton glass cutting surface. Sometimes glass shards will > end up sticking nasty side up in the little compartments. When I try > and hurry - not dumping the board religiously - that's when I get > taught a lesson. > > My concern about a Morton floor surface is that pieces would fall wrong > side up causing potential pain and suffering. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 18:11:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: design software Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:29:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199810140342.XAA13012@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Both GlassEye and American Bevel have demo versions that you can download off > the internet. Try them yourself and see which one you like. That is how I made > my decision. > > I know GlassEye is www.dfly.com And American Bevel's at http://www.americanbevel.com/ Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.igga.org/ Sources Guide http://www.igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 18:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Coupons & Fume Traps Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.162417.0> References: <<1998Oct13.132742.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen K. wrote: > > From: Suzanne Subject: Correction & coupon > > >Sorry... I made a mistake. > >To order from Delphi using the 20% off coupon P8, you need to call a > >different number, it is (800) 248-2048 > >and the last day it can be used is October 16th, not the 13th. > >Sorry for the mistake. > >I will try to be quiet a while now. > >Thanks again everyone for your suggestions and info on grinders, I > >really appreciate it. > > > >Suzanne, whose report cards always said "talks too much" > >-- > >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > > Hi, I just checked the Delphi catalog and yes it has the coupon good till > Oct. 16th. My question is which fume trap to buy. I've got a wimpy > bathroom fan in the ceiling with a 3ft. ribbed tube that has a big red > gasoline funnel at the end. I used to have this hovering overhead when > soldering, but the whistling noise made by the tube drives me crazy. I > checked into a bigger bathroom ceiling exhaust fans at the hardware > store-around $95. I would have to replace the tube with a smooth sided one > to eliminate the whistle. (Is everyone following this?) Since keeping the > window open in Michigan winter weather is out would it be better to just buy > a fume trap or try to work with what there now? Delphi has 2 for under $70, > one with a charcoal filter & one with a hepa. Which is best? Someone also > mentioned a Hunter brand from a hardware store. All the talk about safety > has me a little freaked out. Thanks in advance for any and all replies!! > :-) KK. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would go with hepa if you cn afford it. i have the inland exhaust fan, which, well, stinks. it works but not as well as i'd like it too. the next one i'm thinking about is the hakko. i don't know if it's the same as inland, but it's taller. which has it's advantages since most of my stuff towers over the fan i have. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 18:33:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: suzy@ComCAT.COM Subject: Re: Questions Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.16566.0> References: <<199810110041.UAA26213@uz.comcat.com>> Precedence: bulk >Ah, the safety issue. I'll leave that to more knowledgeable people. >Gary of Dodge Studio, what did you mean by "wet everything down" when >steel-wooling solder seams? >Suzy Don't consider using steel wool on dry solder. If you must steel wool solder either do it under water in a sink, with rubber gloves on, or a the very least pour some water on the panel and or wet the steel wool (and wear gloves) so that you don't have loose dust escaping into the environment. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 18:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: js14529@navix.net Subject: Re: glass in dishwasher Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.1602.0> References: <<1998Oct10.181536.0>> Precedence: bulk >yes,i attempted to cut glass in Manhattan,Ks. but in 1970, it was hard >to learn with a two page brochure and a 4 inch square of hard green >glass. Wow, I wonder if that is the same four page brochure that I started with! Picked it up at American Handicrafts, (Tandy) for something like 29 cents. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 19:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: all my questions Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.165144.0> References: <<199810130326.XAA11536@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk You could wear a respirator mask with an approved radionuclide filter. This filter is the one that Willson (the manufacturer) told me is for soldering fumes. It is not the same as the one for painting and not available in most hardware stores but you can find sources for them on the internet or contact Willson directly at their web site, (don't have the address, but I found it in a search once, so it can be done.) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com >>>What is a hepa filter and where would one find one in Canada? > >Once again >Many Thanks >Bethan<< > >A HEPA filter is a US OSHA approved filter. The trouble is that the >filter is not in an approved instillation for your home arrangement. >It might do a little good by removing fine particles from the air >that goes through it but only a small fraction of the air goes >through it. Further the filters are expensive and require frequent >changing. I recommend you save your money and find some way to >exhaust air from your workspace. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 19:30:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Will the Real Suzanne.....? Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 21:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: <199810140134.VAA10817@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >Dear Suzannes: It is difficult to know which one of you is doing the >talking. Wonder if you guys can help us know which is which. PJ Hi Peggy, Yes, you can know! About a week ago I changed my name (for Bungi) back to my childhood name, Suzy, on the appearance of Tulsa Suzanne. My mother would be very happy if she could know that. She called me that up until she died. Funny story: She lived with us for a long, long time. Once when I was (oh I don't know, well over 50) I was leaving the house. It was raining. She said, "I DON'T suppose you're planning on taking an umbrella." :) :) :) Suzy (your buddy, formerly Suzanne) (Lenore, you're not the only one who can change her name!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 20:32:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Grinder of my dreams Date: Tue Oct 13 19:54:42 1998 Message-ID: <19981014025046Z28250-25583+928@mail2.one.net> Precedence: bulk OPINION ---------- > From: Christie A. Wood > To: Bungi > Subject: Grinder of my dreams > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:49 AM > > Message text written by Suzanne > >When do you guys do your grinding? As you cut *a* piece? Or...like I > do... cut it all out, lay it out, give it a good look and go from there?<= > > > Cut 'em all and then grind. Saves some serious time. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 13 22:18:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: moonlightstudio.com!babs From: Babs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hi.. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.185623.0> Precedence: bulk I have been on the mailing list for quite a while now.., a little over a year I am also very very shy... I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the miscellaneous banter, and how oftimes have seen much helpful information on various questions. I have been working with stained glass since 78, and love it,**S I never know what to contribute.*S, oftimes when I see a question, someone has already answered,**S.. and with much better verbage than I probably would have used,**S I dont know if people post off-list responses... my email is babs@moonlightstudio.com Well, I just wanted to say hello Take care Babs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 03:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: floor! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:58:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199810141005.LAA02901@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I use a hand-held car-vac for the floor. This thing also travels with me from class to class. Got an adapter for it, so it works off the mains as well. Works great for me... Elisabeth ( with a streaming head-cold, lots of horse-shoe nails in the map - about 40 now) 'n Toby (with crossed legs waiting to go out) in UK Lee Boe wrote: > I have a dedicated shop vac, and use the hose end to vacuum stuff up > from the Morton surface. Saves spillage if you try to turn it over to > dump it out. Even a hand vac will do fine. I do this after several > pieces, just because of the " Sometimes glass shards will > > end up sticking nasty side up" problem. Also use the hose or wand to vac the floor imediatly around cutting area. > Rain-Boes Creations > Sarasota, 1 hour south of Tampa on the west coast of Florida (but I > think your already found me Elisabeth :-) Yep Lee....long time ago...;-> Ah....ah....ah...ahtchoooooo!! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 04:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: HI Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.32043.0> Precedence: bulk Babs, Tried to send you this message privately twice but it bounced both times. babs@moonlightstudio.com I'm so glad you said hello. It's nice to know who is listening out there besides the regulars. About being shy. That is not a bad thing. I was horrified when I saw on the news the other day that they now have a pill that they are going to use to treat shy people, especially children. My God, they act like being shy is some sort of affliction and they want us all to be the same. I am appalled at the prospects of making robots out of all of us. Shy people are here to remind us that life should be savored. As you can see, I am not shy often. But sometimes I should be cause my quick responses sometimes get me into more than I can handle. I am an introvert, which Jung defines as a person who draws strength from being alone rather than from being in a crowd. That's me. Love people but the demands of being up around folks just drains me. That's why this internet thing is so great. I'm alone but with people at the same time. Ah, I have rambled. All this was to say, don't be ashamed of your shyness. Offer what you can. Your experience may put a different slant on someone's question. You may say something in a way that rings a bell and maybe no one else could have done it "just that way". Hope to hear from you again. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. I have been on the mailing list for quite a while now.., a little over a year I am also very very shy... I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the miscellaneous banter, and how oftimes have seen much helpful information on various questions. I have been working with stained glass since 78, and love it,**S I never know what to contribute.*S, oftimes when I see a question, someone has already answered,**S.. and with much better verbage than I probably would have used,**S I dont know if people post off-list responses... my email is babs@moonlightstudio.com Well, I just wanted to say hello Take care Babs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 06:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: laundry time! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:35:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct14.123511.0> Precedence: bulk Last night I was working furiously on getting a set of candle chimneys done and cleaned up (bright solder finish) and I kept getting mysterious blackish splotches on the solder. I finally figured out that it was from the leftover flux, patina, etc. on my apron (which I'm constantly wiping my hands on, so I was leaving fingerprints). Took off the apron and was able to get everything cleaned up just fine. (I can take a hint - the apron is in the washer right now. It was nearly standing on its own from the crud anyway.) If I ever needed a demonstration on how important it is to keep clean in this dirty craft, there it is. I also have to think that's a big part of what makes copper patina so finicky - unlike using the other patinas, you're laying down a bright metal layer that will react readily with anything it comes in contact with, including any residue on your hands, work surfaces, etc. My hat's off (and so is my apron) to whoever suggested using distilled water for final cleanup; I may try that next time I do anything in bright copper patina. Gotta go to work! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 07:01:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Hi Babs! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:48:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.44834.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, glad to see your post. This also bounced twice when sending directly to you. It's always nice to hear from somebody for the first time. I'm a little timid myself at times. With 20 years of stained glass experience behind you must have a few tips of your own. Please feel free to share some of your knowledge with us. Many of us are relatively new to glass work and greatly appreciate all the advice we get on Bungi. I know I do. Having a place to discuss our passion for glass work is wonderful. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 08:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.1449.0> Precedence: bulk This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal with this. If you are assebling a project...is it best to 1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. 2. Start from the middle out.... 3. Start from the top down... Thanks in advance... Daniel in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 08:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HI Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:02:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.6244.0> References: <<1998Oct14.32043.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Babs, > > Tried to send you this message privately twice but it bounced both times. > babs@moonlightstudio.com > > I'm so glad you said hello. It's nice to know who is listening out there > besides the regulars. > > About being shy. That is not a bad thing. I was horrified when I saw on the > news the other day that they now have a pill that they are going to use to > treat shy people, especially children. My God, they act like being shy is > some sort of affliction and they want us all to be the same. I am appalled > at the prospects of making robots out of all of us. Shy people are here to > remind us that life should be savored. > > As you can see, I am not shy often. But sometimes I should be cause my > quick responses sometimes get me into more than I can handle. I am an > introvert, which Jung defines as a person who draws strength from being > alone rather than from being in a crowd. That's me. Love people but the > demands of being up around folks just drains me. That's why this internet > thing is so great. I'm alone but with people at the same time. > > Ah, I have rambled. All this was to say, don't be ashamed of your shyness. > Offer what you can. Your experience may put a different slant on someone's > question. You may say something in a way that rings a bell and maybe no one > else could have done it "just that way". > > Hope to hear from you again. > > Linda Campbell > Metro Machine Corp. > > I have been on the mailing list for quite a while now.., a little over a > year I am also very very shy... > I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the miscellaneous banter, and how > oftimes have seen much helpful information on various questions. > I have been working with stained glass since 78, and love it,**S > I never know what to contribute.*S, oftimes when I see a question, > someone has already answered,**S.. and with much better verbage > than I probably would have used,**S > I dont know if people post off-list responses... my email is > babs@moonlightstudio.com > Well, I just wanted to say hello > Take care > Babs > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think most artists are introverted. i really don't like people, and i really hate the phone. and i'm more comfortable inside, then out (though alot of that has to do with pollen levels). it's pretty easy answering questions here, because i really don't have to meet any of you (not to sound like it is). i don't see faces, or have to shout out, or understand an accent (well sometimes i do). for the most part it's better to answer the same question as someone else. i've always used that method to verify an answer. everyone says one thing, but each thing is different. they all might work, but you don't want to experiment. but if someone else said the same thing then that particular repeating answer is the one you can use. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 09:40:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Daniel'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.8226.0> Precedence: bulk Others (more experienced that me) may have a different answer but here is what works for me. I have a work board that has two raised edges at 90 degree angles (left side and bottom). If my project is to be square or rectangular, I position the whole thing against this 90 degree L. Then with straight edges and push pins I lock the other two sides in place, parallel to the first two sides. Sometimes minute shifting of the later two sides can make a big difference in the spacing of the individual pieces in the interior. If this is not a project that must fit into a certain size, I stop at the position that has the most pleasing spacing, not to tight in some places and not too large a space in others. OKAY, so here you know that my cuts are not absolutely perfect. Solder covers up a lot of errors. Even if the project is to have a glass border, I do the above first and then cut out the border after the center is tack soldered in place. I find I can get a better fit on the border this way, rather than trying to make the thing all at one time. This is where, if the thing has to fit into a certain area, say a wooden frame, I can make small adjustments in case my project grew. Of course a pre-cut beveled border would be another problem for me. Like I said I just do what make it easiest for me. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [SMTP:doverbay@csi.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:05 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Danger neophyte question.... This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal with this. If you are assebling a project...is it best to 1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. 2. Start from the middle out.... 3. Start from the top down... Thanks in advance... Daniel in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 10:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: , "Daniel" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:13:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199810141609.JAA25122@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal > with this. > > If you are assebling a project...is it best to > > 1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... > > square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. > > 2. Start from the middle out.... > > 3. Start from the top down... > > Thanks in advance... > > > Daniel in Oregon Hi Daniel How I assemble depends on the project. If it is square or rectangular I almost always start from the top left corner and assemble down and across until I get to the bottom right corner. I uses two (or more depending on the project size) carpenter's squares to make sure the corners of my piece are perfectly square and straight. I use push pins to hold the carpenter's squares in place. Lots of push pins. I do NOT solder anything until I'm happy that the whole piece is laid out the best it can be. For pieces without square or straight edges I usually start from the middle and assemble out to the edges, using push pins as I go to make sure stuff doesn't shift on me. Then I'll start soldering, tacking the "critical" spots to make sure nothing will move when I remove the squares and/or pushpins. Flux is hard on carpenter's squares (takes the finish off) so I try to get as little on them as I can. I know there are layout systems especially designed for stained glass, but they're not readily available where I live in the "wilds" of British Columbia so this is the method I've come up with. It works for me. Hope it helps answer your question. Shiela > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 10:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:44:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.7446.0> References: <<1998Oct14.1449.0>> Precedence: bulk Daniel wrote: > > This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal > with this. > > If you are assebling a project...is it best to > > 1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... > > square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. > > 2. Start from the middle out.... > > 3. Start from the top down... > > Thanks in advance... > > Daniel in Oregon > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i start by keeping everything square using the morton strips. when soldering i tack first then fill then bead. i usually start with what happens to be closest to me. which is usually the bottom right hand corner. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 10:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hi Babs! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:56:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.65624.0> References: <<1998Oct14.44834.0>> Precedence: bulk > Many of us are relatively new to glass work and greatly > appreciate all the advice we get on Bungi. I know I do. Having a > place to discuss our passion for glass work is wonderful. > >Karen K. Ditto! Hi Babs! Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 10:40:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: "Daniel" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:18:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981014111817.01e74c80@pop3.netins.net> References: <<1998Oct14.1449.0>> Precedence: bulk Note: I use copper foil exclusively, and don't know whether this technique would differ if I tried to use came... If it's a straight-edged panel, I usually make a frame (out of 3/8" x 1" wood strips) and nail the frame to a piece of plywood that gives a nice flat work surface. I make sure the corners are square as I nail the frame in place, and then I don't need to worry about wandering dimensions or out-of-square corners. As far as how to start with the glass, I guess it depends on the piece. If it's a piece that has a running color border around it (such as http://www.netins.net/showcase/sae/hobbies/sg_lop.html) I usually do the borders first to make sure they come out even all the way around. However, if it's a piece where there isn't any border and the focal point is in the center (http://www.netins.net/showcase/sae/hobbies/sg_ri.html), I start at the center and work my way out to the edges. Above all this, however, is that I find it works best that wherever I start, I work out from that point out to the other side, rather than just doing a bit here and a bit there. This helps me make sure that each piece fits snugly up to the one next to it so that there aren't any surprises later. Hope this helps... Scott At 08:04 AM 10/14/98 -0700, you wrote: >This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal >with this. > >If you are assebling a project...is it best to > >1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... > > square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. > >2. Start from the middle out.... > >3. Start from the top down... > >Thanks in advance... > > >Daniel in Oregon > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 11:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: shy Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:19:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.3199.0> Precedence: bulk IMHO, a SHY artist/craftsperson (a whole 'nother subject) is starting off with an EXTRA burden to carry. One has to believe in one's self, proclaim loudly and often (having a superior product helps) to anyone who will listen. If you do not tout and push your work (giving it away does not count) few retailers will do either! ALWAYS do the best you can, let not other people (uninformed) force you to do it "their way". Over the eons, I have listened to "others" tell me what would sell and HOW to do it, but when confronted as to THEIR buying it or experience in the field (glass), reluctance, hesitation, vacillation, and second thoughts. First off be true to yourself, believe in what you have decided, and always strive to do "better". Aside from glass applications, a modicum of this diatribe may even be useful in other aspects of "living". enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 11:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.83438.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- >This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal >with this. >If you are assebling a project...is it best to > >1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder...square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. > >2. Start from the middle out.... > >3. Start from the top down... > >Thanks in advance... >Daniel in Oregon > > Hi Daniel, It depends on what kind of surface you're working on. If its wood you could attach two 1" x 1" x 2ft., (or whatever lengths you chose) to your work surface (one at the bottom and one on the left side) using a carpenters right-angle square to insure proper placement of these stop blocks. Then start in this corner and build up and out when doing lead work. If working in foil I'd lay all pieces down against the stops and check all 4 corners before soldering. I usually have the layout pattern down first and put a piece of clear glass over it. The morton system has layout blocks in different lengths that you use with push pins into a softer surface like homosote boards, (not sure of spelling) which I think are like the large ceiling tiles you'd use in a basement. KK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 11:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Suzanne" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Hi Babs! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 13:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <199810141800.OAA28150@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >> Many of us are relatively new to glass work and greatly >> appreciate all the advice we get on Bungi. I know I do. Having a >> place to discuss our passion for glass work is wonderful. >> > >>Karen K. > >Ditto! >Hi Babs! >Tulsa Suzanne Ditto, Ditto! You expressed yourself well, you're probably not any shyer than most of us! Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 11:59:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Howard and Elaine Rubin'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: shy Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.102755.0> Precedence: bulk Well put Howard, but don't worry about SHY people being run over. Many I have met stand their ground, know where their boundaries are and generally fair better than some of us outspoken ones. But your advice is good for everyone, now the less. Just my 2 cents of course. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. Howard said: IMHO, a SHY artist/craftsperson (a whole 'nother subject) is starting off with an EXTRA burden to carry. One has to believe in one's self, proclaim loudly and often (having a superior product helps) to anyone who will listen. If you do not tout and push your work (giving it away does not count) few retailers will do either! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 13:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: shy Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810141933.MAA08963@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >>>>IMHO, a SHY artist/craftsperson (a whole 'nother subject) is starting off >with an EXTRA burden to carry.<<< Good words! Being an artist can be emotionally upsetting at times.... like at shows. Your work is your baby, it is a part of you. I've heard this from myself and from other artists in other mediums. The postive is always well received, but a negative word towards your work can hurt like knives. But like in artists paintings and so be it our glass work, not all is going to think our work is great. And being thin skinned if I may call it that, isn't a healthy thing for an artist. We may be shy. But We have to believe in ourselves and our work. And maybe be alot stronger than most shy people. (Cindy heed your words, girl!!) I do agree that the artist job is extremely difficult as no one will sell your art better than you. It hardly works out pleasurable to your expectations and if it does, it does some with a price $$$$. >First off be true to yourself, believe in what you have decided, and always >strive to do "better".<<<< Fabulous!!! The words my dad said to me as young person "be true to yourself". A pill for shyness, seems too silly. Cindy, hope I've made some sense with my babble:) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 15:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Hi.. Date: Wed Oct 14 13:52:38 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.112838.0> Precedence: bulk Babs Contribute whatever you feel like. Your opinion is worth as much as anyone else's and probably more than some. If you've been on the list anytime at all, you know that we are all certifiable so don't worry. Jump in and join the party. If nothing else you can contribute a bio and help keep Patrick safe and whole. After all it is already Wednesday and I think Toby is getting hungry. Vic -----Original Message----- I never know what to contribute.*S, oftimes when I see a question, someone has already answered,**S.. and with much better verbage than I probably would have used,**S ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 16:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass music, was Re: Polishing Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.135124.0> References: <<1998Oct13.174816.0>> Precedence: bulk > > > Or maybe he could choreograph something to Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken > Glass"...... > > Sparks I'm sure many of us have choreography for "Walking on Broken Glass"...of course, your lyrics may be a bit different than the Annie Lenox version. Dorothy (who does need to sweep her workroom floor, since I'm dealing with walking on dropped glass) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 16:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mb.sympatico.ca!mb.sympatico.ca From: Darlene Hendler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Florida Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.95910.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I've been a lurker for about a year and really enjoy the information and the banter that goes back and forth. I live in Winnipeg, Canada and am planning a trip to Florida at Christmas time. (At 40 below, we need to get away). I am wondering if any of you bungi artists could give me some names of stained glass shops or artists that may be interesting to see or meet. I will be in Hallandale (between Miami and Fort Lauderdale) from December 25- Jan 4. I would look forward to meeting any of you and exchanging ideas or anything of interest. You can also reach me at pop@mb.sympatico.ca if you wish to get me directly. On another personal note, I am a Social Worker working in the area of child and adolescent mental health. Thanks, Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 16:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Our Grand Opening Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:39:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct14.223944.0> Precedence: bulk I apologize ahead of time to anyone who might be offended by my sending this out to the list!! Meredith Stained Glass is now open in our new location! On October 24th and 25th, we are having our grand opening trade-show/celebration. We are being joined by several manufacturers, giving away over 50 door prizes (including a free Taurus 2.2 Ring Saw!), and having some sales that I must say amazed me while I was typing them up! Check out our website for more information on all of the sale prices, the manufacturers joining us, and the hours of the grand opening! As always, our site contains our full catalog online, and detailed directions to our warehouse in Silver Spring, MD. Please e-mail me directly if you have any questions! Thanks! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass http://www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 17:46:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: mike's wiring........ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:32:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct14.233219.0> Precedence: bulk Someone made a good suggestion regarding contacting your local municipal building department and speaking to an electrical inspector. However, before you do, I think you need to decide the total number of light bulbs you plan on using and also the total wattage of the bulbs. (Wouldn't you hate a big huge orange wire sticking out of your lamp?) I doubt local code would involve lamps, but the National Electric Code may cover them, you can probably find a copy at the library or on the www. I phoned my own personal favorite ex-electrical inspector (my dad) and picked his brain. He said the "tubing" that connects to the socket is a standard size and since you probably are not going to be using 4 - 100 watt bulbs you would use standard lamp cord. The "tube" (I can't remember the technical name) is available at hardware stores and comes in a variety of lengths, but only one diameter It is threaded on the top and the bottom, the top attaches to the socket and the bottom has a nut to keep it in a vertical position inside the lamp. Therefore you need a solid base with a hole drilled in it to accept the tubing and the nut. I am assuming you are having the bulbs at the top and the cord through a tube centered down the middle of the base. Good luck. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 18:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass music Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.163735.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk I have composed my own music? to walking on glass, but I usually only sing it around 2 am when I can't sleep and decide to cut glass and forget to put on shoes. Also, if there is one (l) little sliver of glass anywhere in the house, my husband will step on it and he also sings the same tune. It's probably a popular song among glass people, but I don't know the name of it or if it has one. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 19:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Florida Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:19:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199810150125.CAA07750@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk That's OK Darlene, Welcome aboard. Delighted to have you with us. We are all covered in pretty white coats with polished leather straps and shiny buckles.... to keep weather and and wind away from the stained glass tu-tus underneath. Please remember to send a zany (or not) bio to the Mad Irishman Patrick Kelly, who is by now a one legged creature dancing around to Swan Lake in his pale blue s.g. tu-tu and a floral wreath glued to his bald scalp..... in total fear and phobia about a 4-legged furry beast that howls and loves Irish Stew, originating from the mystical and dour coast of North Cornwall in Ye Li'lle Ole' England.... Long Live Stained Glass!! Ah...ah...ah...ahtchooo!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. Great! Got another horse-shoe nail into the map!!!! Darlene wrote: > > I've been a lurker for about a year and really enjoy the information and > the banter that goes back and forth. I live in Winnipeg, Canada and am > planning a trip to Florida at Christmas time. (At 40 below, we need to > get away). I am wondering if any of you bungi artists could give me some > names of stained glass shops or artists that may be interesting to see > or meet. I will be in Hallandale (between Miami and Fort Lauderdale) > from December 25- Jan 4. I would look forward to meeting any of you and > exchanging ideas or anything of interest. You can also reach me at > pop@mb.sympatico.ca if you wish to get me directly. > On another personal note, I am a Social Worker working in the area > of child and adolescent mental health. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 21:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Spectrum Water Glass Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:05:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.17548.0> Precedence: bulk Is it just me or has the Spectrum Clear Waterglass gotten pretty flat??!!? I use quite a bit of this and my last 2 orders dont seem to have the deep waves like it used to...My customers pretty much have always prefered the Waterglass over the import knock-offs....Looks like when the dropped the price to compete with this new Kalahari Tightwave they also dropped the quality.... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 21:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: doverbay@csi.com Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.183140.0> References: <<1998Oct14.1449.0>> Precedence: bulk Daniel, The way I do things is to cut the patterns out of heavy posterboard. Before I cut the patterns up I first cut the perimeter. This makes the perfect guide for creating a jig out of Morton strips or wood lath. Just lay the pattern down on a board and slide the strips right up to the sides of the pattern and carefully tack them down. The jig always comes out to the exact size! (Because it came right from the pattern) All the measuring and squaring gets done during the design phase. When you tack solder just lay the pieces out in the jig. Be sure that they fill the jig out into the corners. If there is excess space, carefully shift pieces around to balance the space between all the solder lines in the panel, then tack solder the pieces so they won't shift during soldering. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:04:49 -0700 "Daniel" writes: >This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others >deal >with this. > >If you are assebling a project...is it best to > >1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... > > square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. > >2. Start from the middle out.... > >3. Start from the top down... > >Thanks in advance... > > >Daniel in Oregon ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 21:40:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:43:37 -0700 Message-ID: <199810150243.TAA19095@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all...this is peripherally glass related since cookies came up again and again and again on a glass related site I was just perusing...and I've never seen them discussed anywhere else besides bungi. I come down firmly on the side of privacy and the right to not have someone trace where I am going in their site. So, twice in the last 2 days I've declined to have a cookie placed by a site...and it keeps asking and asking and asking...do they hope to wear us down by pissing us off? Do they think we don't know our own minds? MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW DO WE GET THE COOKIE MONSTER TO GO AWAY while we're using a site? Any ideas? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 21:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Subject: Re: mike's wiring........ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:23:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.18237.0> References: <<1998Oct14.233219.0>> Precedence: bulk The "tubing" to which you refer is called pipe if it is threaded only on the ends and running thread nipple or just nipple for short if it has screw threads all the way up. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com >bulbs you >would use standard lamp cord. The "tube" (I can't remember the >technical >name) is available at hardware stores and comes in a variety of >lengths, but >only one diameter It is threaded on the top and the bottom, the top >attaches >to the socket and the bottom has a nut to keep it in a vertical >position >inside the lamp. Therefore you need a solid base with a hole drilled >in it to >accept the tubing and the nut. I am assuming you are having the bulbs >at the >top and the cord through a tube centered down the middle of the base. > >Good luck. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 22:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: geocities.com!konfuzed From: "konfuzed" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:06:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.20621.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDF7CF.A41E9300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the tail end of this = thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using distilled = water for clean up? 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Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the = tail end of=20 this thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using = distilled=20 water for clean up? Thanks.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDF7CF.A41E9300-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 22:27:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: just dont want you... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:20:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.182051.0> Precedence: bulk to think I suddenly died or anything....(because of silence on my part) I am leaving early tomorrow am to go camping for 4 days. Now I just have to pray my neighbor gets my grinder off my porch after UPS leaves it! Y'all have a nice weekend! >Tulsa Suzanne, whose report cards always said "talks too much" -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 22:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: shy Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.19235.0> References: <<199810141933.MAA08963@ns2.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk > The postive is always well received, > but a negative word towards your work can hurt like knives. Sure enough. Especially when you first show something you *just love* and are really happy with it...and really want that first person to say "Wow".. and they say, "That's alright, but I really like this", and point to something that isnt your own design. I had this happen the other day...the really cool part was the 2nd to see it said "That's gorgeous!" The 3rd said "I really like *this* one." Someone told me once, regarding people having different tastes... "If we all liked the same things, we'd all be in love with your grandmother!" I remind myself of that often, and renew the fact that I am glad we are each unique and have our own tastes! That is until someone looks at my work and simply says "nice" and walks off. To me that says I dont like it...but in reality *may* mean, "That is nice, but it just isnt me." Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 22:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Carol Swann , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.19959.0> References: <<199810150243.TAA19095@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk > So, twice in the last 2 days I've > declined to have a cookie placed by a site...and it keeps asking and asking > and asking...do they hope to wear us down by pissing us off? Do they think > we don't know our own minds? MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW DO WE GET THE COOKIE > MONSTER TO GO AWAY while we're using a site? > > Any ideas? > > C. I am no expert...but I would be willing to bet that there is an embedded command on each page of the site to request a cookie placement. It is the browser doing as it was told. No, I dont think they are trying to wear you down, but people enter websites from different pages. They may have been referred to a site from someone else just giving them a link to a specific page in a site. I think you can go into your preferences and give a command to refuse all cookies. On second thought, that might be what you have, and why you get all those messages. I accept cookies, because I hate to have boxes popping up in front of me when I am going somewhere. I just go into explorer and delete all the cookies now and then. I think it is just business and wanting to know what people are interested in at their site. I hope what I just said makes sense, I am tired. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 23:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: more info (useful?) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.152218.0> Precedence: bulk The tube or nipple is 1/8 (.125) NPT......national pipe thread. NOW for the fun part........the top screw on a harp is 1/4 (.25) x27 threads per inch........which is larger in diameter? As an aside the only application I know of for the 1/4 x27 is lamp finials only...will not take a 1/4 fine or coarse thread. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 14 23:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "LElsbury@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Glass Music Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct14.193814.0> Precedence: bulk I know the name of the tune when you step on Glass. Its "Oh Frit". Don't know the melody but it definitely is universal. Do I get a prize??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 01:28:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: doverbay@csi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:28:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.72831.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Daniel, I do all my work the same way - bottom left corner to top right corner, working diagonally. My small workboards, as well as my work tables all have a perfect right angle corner installed with wood moldings on the lower and left sides. Since I draw my patterns on grid paper, the final check for square and fit is simple. I have done lead work for so many years, that when I foil, I tend to follow the same pattern, fitting all the pieces to each other before I do any soldering. With round or oval pieces, I make a frame with horseshoe nails on the pattern, bending the outside H came within it, and work diagonally, bending the outside came as I go. I guess I'm a creature of habit. Ann Baxter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 02:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 04:40:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199810151154.HAA02663@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I come down firmly on the side of privacy and the right to not have someone > trace where I am going in their site. Hi, Carol. They really don't need to set cookies to track your movement through their site (which site is that, by the way?), although your choices would be anonymous to them ... that is, they wouldn't know who you are exactly. As a webmaster myself, I use software that tells me which pages are most popular, which are not, which browsers people are using and which platforms, etc. That's helpful to me in building sites and keeping them viewable and useful to as many visitors as possible. But cookies track your own personal interests, much like the hovering clerk (seen one of those lately?; it seems to me most stores hide their clerks these days) who begins to see from your questions and interests the sort of thing you want and can then helpfully suggest other items that you might not have thought of. For instance, a shoe salesman might bring out the mid-heel pumps you asked for in the color you wanted (and the size), but also another similar pump in a slightly different color or heel height, plus a sneaker that's on special. Then, while you try them on, he brings bags, bows and polish for the shoes you wanted. That's what cookies do. They act as personal, virtual clerks to ease your path through the "shop," suggest other items to you, and -- on your next visit -- greet you by name (if you've left an order) and point out that the items you wanted last time have since arrived and, oh by the way, there's a sale on another item that "goes with" what you bought the last time you visited. Cookies can be read only by the site that set them, expire after a set time period, are then automatically erased. They don't contain any particularized information (like your credit card numbers), but are there to make your life easier. > So, twice in the last 2 days I've > declined to have a cookie placed by a site...and it keeps asking and asking > and asking...do they hope to wear us down by pissing us off? The site has been programmed to ask. If you don't want to be asked, you need to set your browser's preferences to "Accept All Cookies." That's what I do myself, since they're innocuous, not dangerous, not giving up any private information. If you don't want to do that, you'll have to accept the fact that the virtual clerk is going to keep asking, because it's just a robot programmed to do so. I don't install cookie requests on the sites I build myself, since I feel that if the visitors are interested in the products/services there, they'll give the necessary information when they place an order. Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it needs to be done. So which glass site *was it? Just curious. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 03:08:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:54:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.105425.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:doverbay@csi.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 4:05 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Danger neophyte question.... This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others deal with this. If you are assebling a project...is it best to 1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. 2. Start from the middle out.... 3. Start from the top down... Thanks in advance... Daniel in Oregon I use a piece of four feet by two feet by three quarter MDF hardboard for my projects. I simply fix the patterns down by nailing on strips of wood three quarters of an inch wide by one quarter of an inch thick to match the outline. This even works for non rectangular designs to give an idea of size limits. I then always start from one corner inwards. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 03:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: mike's wiring........ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:10:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.111058.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, Check to make sure that there are any regulations related to earthing any metalwork in your lamp wiring. USA is better than us due to the lower voltage but there is always the possiblity of a shock via metalwork even the came if it is connected to the wiring pipe feeder. The cable can rub through and short out onto metalwork with time. I remember years ago a worker on a production line who picked up a very expensive piece of equipment to test it in front of the works boss. It was live and he consciously made the decision while hanging on to it whether or not to drop it onto the concrete floor. He did and smashed it to pieces. Same parallel with the live piece of glass work you are holding on to . Whether to drop it and smash 100 hours of work or get electrocuted. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 06:28:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 08:25:45 -0400 Message-ID: <199810151229.IAA20390@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Konfused Kathy wrote: >Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the tail end of this = >thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using distilled = >water for clean up? Thanks. They were saying distilled water for cleanup of copper patina'd projects keeps those ugly splotchies under control. As a side note, a few years ago when we had a serious drought, my well water must have been low and full of whatever chemicals - everything I made started to oxidize in about two weeks badly - so badly the whole project became chalky. Unbelievably ugly. Someone suggested I buy distilled water and I used it whenever water was used, even wetting the soldering sponge with it. That cured the problem! I've since gone back to my own water and it's fine now. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 06:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering Respirator Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:22:49 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.122249.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/13/98 10:13:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dodgestudio@juno.com writes: << You could wear a respirator mask with an approved radionuclide filter. This filter is the one that Willson (the manufacturer) told me is for soldering fumes. It is not the same as the one for painting and not available in most hardware stores but you can find sources for them on the internet or contact Willson directly at their web site, (don't have the address, but I found it in a search once, so it can be done.) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs >> Glass Crafters stocks a Toxic Particulate Respirator that is a NIOSH and OSHA approved respirator specifically for lead and asbestos dusts and fumes. The filters have a 99.9% efficiency level. It is NOT for use for paint, ammonia or organic vapors. Cat. #305, $29.95 Replacement filters are also available, Cat. #286X, $9.95/pair. Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Court Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 Fax: 1-941-379-8827 Email: GlasCrafts@aol.com www.glasscrafters.com http://members.aol.com/glascrafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 06:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Spectrum Water Glass/Kalahari Tightwave Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:29:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.52914.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Byron Wells >this new Kalahari Tightwave< Hi there. I don't know this type of glass. Who is its manufacturer? Who are its distributors? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 07:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Shy and book recommendation Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:21:38 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.132138.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Everyone This is an interesting thread on shyness and artists. I do not consider myself well read and seldom has reading any book or author been a life changing event for me. But the books "The Artists Way" or even better the "The Artists Way at Work" have really help me become more creative, and in the process has helped me learn alot about myself. Julie Cameron also has an excellent audio tape called "Reflections on the Artists Way" which I still listen to often. The amazon addresses for the book and tape are listed below. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688157882 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1564552535 Also if anyone else has read the book, I'd love to hear what others have learned or experienced from it. Thanks Alex Gacic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 07:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mike's wiring........ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:59:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.55952.0> References: <<1998Oct14.233219.0>> Precedence: bulk CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > > Someone made a good suggestion regarding contacting your local municipal > building department and speaking to an electrical inspector. However, before > you do, I think you need to decide the total number of light bulbs you plan on > using and also the total wattage of the bulbs. (Wouldn't you hate a big huge > orange wire sticking out of your lamp?) I doubt local code would involve > lamps, but the National Electric Code may cover them, you can probably find a > copy at the library or on the www. > > I phoned my own personal favorite ex-electrical inspector (my dad) and picked > his brain. He said the "tubing" that connects to the socket is a standard > size and since you probably are not going to be using 4 - 100 watt bulbs you > would use standard lamp cord. The "tube" (I can't remember the technical > name) is available at hardware stores and comes in a variety of lengths, but > only one diameter It is threaded on the top and the bottom, the top attaches > to the socket and the bottom has a nut to keep it in a vertical position > inside the lamp. Therefore you need a solid base with a hole drilled in it to > accept the tubing and the nut. I am assuming you are having the bulbs at the > top and the cord through a tube centered down the middle of the base. > > Good luck. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's the thing, this lamp has no center support. the bulb structure will be "floating". 4 - 100w bulbs would be way to hot, i could probably heat up a room with it :)... the threaded rod will hold up the bulb assembly. i figure i'll have a cluster at the top and a single bulb (maybe), at the bottom. the tube i as refering too, was the homemade conduit i need to cover and hide the wire going the bulb. i figure 3/8" dehydrated copper tubing is pliable, and should be the right size. i just don't want the wire to get wedged in there too tightly. though right now i'm stil in the planning stages of the base, but it's still a consideration. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:16:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.6458.0> References: <<199810150243.TAA19095@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Hi all...this is peripherally glass related since cookies came up again and > again and again on a glass related site I was just perusing...and I've never > seen them discussed anywhere else besides bungi. > > I come down firmly on the side of privacy and the right to not have someone > trace where I am going in their site. So, twice in the last 2 days I've > declined to have a cookie placed by a site...and it keeps asking and asking > and asking...do they hope to wear us down by pissing us off? Do they think > we don't know our own minds? MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW DO WE GET THE COOKIE > MONSTER TO GO AWAY while we're using a site? > > Any ideas? > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass cookies are'nt a bad thing. most of the time it keeps track of you name, so you don't have to keep re-entering information. the only info it has on you is the stuff you entered. my own site has a cookie, it let's me know if someone is repeating a page or not. besides though their are cookie eliminators out there, most sites have them, and are'nt going to get rid of them. there harmless, and convient... however there are other programs (or methods) to not have your computer identify itself. which includes e-mail address. some pages can suck the email address from your system (usually requires java), and that's where alot of the junk mail comes from. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.62045.0> References: <<199810150243.TAA19095@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk The option of rejecting cookies automatically is dependent on the browswer you use, and which release (version) you are on. With Netscape 4.0 and higher, you go to EDIT, then PREFERENCES, then ADVANCED. There are a number of options, i.e. accept all, warn b-4.... You would select DISABLE COOKIES. For Explorer, click VIEW, INTERNET OPTIONS, ADVANCED, then scroll down to a warning sign, then click 'disable all cookies' This is based on IE 4.0. If you are on other versions/products, your mileage may vary -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Spectrum Water Glass Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:21:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.142151.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/15/98 4:26:22 AM, byronw@eatumup.com wrote: >Is it just me or has the Spectrum Clear Waterglass gotten pretty flat??!!? I can't say in general, but the clear piece in the sample set I got yesterday was pretty flat-looking. So were a few others, but most did have pretty good wavy surfaces. I dig their new Rough Rolled, but so far it's only in clear and light colors (my set had clear, light amber, bright gold, and a pale lavender pink. I hope they get around to offering their whole cathedral line (and maybe some of the opals) with this texture. It's just enough texture to be visually interesting and a good privacy glass, but not too "textury" to work with easily. I'd like to see it in bright colors, it would make great candle chimneys. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.62831.0> Precedence: bulk I make two copies of the cartoon by tracing with carbon paper on Pelon [a felted interlining material] and cardboard. The cardboard is cut out and traced on the glass. The pelon is fixed to the work table, that has a homosote surface, bordered with Morton aluminum blocks and push pins. The cut glass is placed on the pelon fitted to the pattern, foiled and soldered. The pelon holds up to the soldering. It is possible to reuse the pattern and the pelon to make additional copies. Works for me Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: doverbay@csi.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... >Daniel, > >The way I do things is to cut the patterns out of heavy posterboard. >Before I cut the patterns up I first cut the perimeter. This makes the >perfect guide for creating a jig out of Morton strips or wood lath. Just >lay the pattern down on a board and slide the strips right up to the >sides of the pattern and carefully tack them down. The jig always comes >out to the exact size! (Because it came right from the pattern) > >All the measuring and squaring gets done during the design phase. When >you tack solder just lay the pieces out in the jig. Be sure that they >fill the jig out into the corners. If there is excess space, carefully >shift pieces around to balance the space between all the solder lines in >the panel, then tack solder the pieces so they won't shift during >soldering. > >Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs > >http://www.dodgestudio.com > >On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:04:49 -0700 "Daniel" writes: >>This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others >>deal >>with this. >> >>If you are assebling a project...is it best to >> >>1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder... >> >> square another etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. >> >>2. Start from the middle out.... >> >>3. Start from the top down... >> >>Thanks in advance... >> >> >>Daniel in Oregon > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: shy and *crummy* words Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810151513.IAA22260@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Right on!! I couldn't help chuckling at the last part with the word *nice*. In my home here hubby has learnt the word *nice* does not belong anywhere close to his wife!!! Also the word *fine*,... to me their nondiscribtive (sp) and have no true meaning, and he better not use them while looking at my work. The way I deal with it is.... I design for myself, pleasing myself. It always was a question, since alot of my work can be spectulation. Hmmm, what can I do that will sell? So if no one likes it or buys it atleast I do!!! Cindy > >Sure enough. Especially when you first show something you *just >love* and are really happy with it...and really want that first person >to say "Wow".. and they say, "That's alright, but I really like this", >and point to something that isnt your own design. >I had this happen the other day...the really cool part was the 2nd to >see it said "That's gorgeous!" The 3rd said "I really like *this* one." > >Someone told me once, regarding people having different tastes... >"If we all liked the same things, we'd all be in love with your >grandmother!" I remind myself of that often, and renew the fact >that I am glad we are each unique and have our own tastes! >That is until someone looks at my work and simply says "nice" and walks >off. To me that says I dont like it...but in reality *may* mean, "That >is nice, but it just isnt me." > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 08:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810151514.IAA22207@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Carol, Albert and all! I haven't been reading much on these cookies, my friend told me abit about them already. I agree with Carol! How dare they send me something take check out my activity, on my end. Guess I'm annoyed and p.o. because once someone send me a virus to sit in my computer. (no one on the bungi!!!, as I was asked privately). Once again Albert your info has been great!! Cindy PS I did recieve one and put it the trash ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 09:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810151513.IAA20279@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Well water can change from summer to winter, as the water tables lower in the summer. Once I remember my patina coming out splotchy, just thought it was lack of proper cleaning on my part. Cindy > > >Konfused Kathy wrote: >>Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the tail end of this = >>thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using distilled = >>water for clean up? Thanks. > >They were saying distilled water for cleanup of copper patina'd projects >keeps those ugly splotchies under control. > >As a side note, a few years ago when we had a serious drought, my well >water must have been low and full of whatever chemicals - everything I >made started to oxidize in about two weeks badly - so badly the whole >project became chalky. Unbelievably ugly. Someone suggested I buy >distilled water and I used it whenever water was used, even wetting the >soldering sponge with it. That cured the problem! > >I've since gone back to my own water and it's fine now. >Suzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 09:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Subject: Re: cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:24:23 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk i've talked about what i believe are problems with cookies and privacy issues in the past, but i have an article from an ezine that deals with this topic that i can forward to anyone who is interested in reading more about them, and the problems they can bring. it is quite long. please send PRIVATE email if you wish to receive this article. regards, charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 10:04:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: o/t cookies and taming cookie monsters Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:17:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.161717.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-15 00:41:52 EDT, seaspray@mail.island.net writes: << I come down firmly on the side of privacy and the right to not have someone trace where I am going in their site. So, twice in the last 2 days I've declined to have a cookie placed by a site...and it keeps asking and asking and asking...do they hope to wear us down by pissing us off? Do they think we don't know our own minds? MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW DO WE GET THE COOKIE MONSTER TO GO AWAY while we're using a site? Any ideas? C. >> I understand were you are coming from. But I think the reason it asked you over and over again is that there are more then one cookie on the site. Once I went to a site that was suppose to be about "how we are against cookies yada, yada, yada......) and THEY tried to put a cookie on my computer!! I hated the cookie question over and over too. I finally gave in through, it was causing me too much anguish. At the end of the day I just go into "windows explore>windows>cookies" and delete them. Dianne >^..^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 10:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non-glass : No you're not paranoid, Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:22:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.82234.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk They really are out to get you. Yes Cookies are SUPPOSED to be harmless, but some of us are reluctant to let others peek into our lives. See - http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/zd/zd7.htm I have stopped using grocery store 'discount cards' due to the fact that the stores track what you buy. It's bad enuff that AMEX sells my info to people who then fill my snail mail box with catalogs full of stuff they think I need. OK, I'll get off the soapbox now. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 14:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Spectrum Water Glass/Kalahari Tightwave Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.131353.0> References: <<1998Oct15.52914.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > >this new Kalahari Tightwave< > > Hi there. I don't know this type of glass. Who is its manufacturer? > Who are its distributors? Never heard of it either, but here's my conjecture...when I type my last name in Word, the spellchecker thinks it should be spelled Kalahari, so it must have something to do with me! Well, since Emeraldine lives in my head, it must be made by her husband Pierre. (If you're new here,never mind.) Anyhow, the name of the product is wonderful. Elisabeth, find Connecticut on your map. Right in the middle is Hartford. I'm about 20-25 miles west of there in Bristol. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 14:59:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: splotchy patina - Re: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:36:07 PDT Message-ID: <1998Oct15.18367.0> Precedence: bulk HI, Everyone I've got a question, what do you do after you get a splotchy patina? Are there any ways to salvage a bad copper patina? I usually just wind up changing it to a black patina. Alex Gacic >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: distilled water >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:57 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi all, >Well water can change from summer to winter, as the water tables lower in >the summer. >Once I remember my patina coming out splotchy, just thought it was lack of >proper cleaning on my part. >Cindy >> >> >>Konfused Kathy wrote: >>>Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the tail end of this = >>>thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using distilled = >>>water for clean up? Thanks. >> >>They were saying distilled water for cleanup of copper patina'd projects >>keeps those ugly splotchies under control. >> >>As a side note, a few years ago when we had a serious drought, my well >>water must have been low and full of whatever chemicals - everything I >>made started to oxidize in about two weeks badly - so badly the whole >>project became chalky. Unbelievably ugly. Someone suggested I buy >>distilled water and I used it whenever water was used, even wetting the >>soldering sponge with it. That cured the problem! >> >>I've since gone back to my own water and it's fine now. >>Suzy >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 15:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Pat Kelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Glass Music Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 18:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199810152208.SAA20970@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I know the name of the tune when you step on Glass. > >Its "Oh Frit". Don't know the melody but it definitely is universal. > >Do I get a prize??? Yup. You get to include that tune in your repertoire at W-C next summer. :) Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 15:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: splotchy patina - Re: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.141340.0> References: <<1998Oct15.18367.0>> Precedence: bulk Alex Gacic wrote: > > HI, Everyone > > I've got a question, what do you do after you get a splotchy patina? Are > there any ways to salvage a bad copper patina? I usually just wind up > changing it to a black patina. > > Alex Gacic > > >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) > >To: glass@bungi.com > >Subject: Re: distilled water > >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:57 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi all, > >Well water can change from summer to winter, as the water tables lower > in > >the summer. > >Once I remember my patina coming out splotchy, just thought it was lack > of > >proper cleaning on my part. > >Cindy > >> > >> > >>Konfused Kathy wrote: > >>>Ok, I'm new here and I know that I came in on the tail end of this = > >>>thread, but can someone tell me what the advantage is to using > distilled = > >>>water for clean up? Thanks. > >> > >>They were saying distilled water for cleanup of copper patina'd > projects > >>keeps those ugly splotchies under control. > >> > >>As a side note, a few years ago when we had a serious drought, my well > >>water must have been low and full of whatever chemicals - everything I > >>made started to oxidize in about two weeks badly - so badly the whole > >>project became chalky. Unbelievably ugly. Someone suggested I buy > >>distilled water and I used it whenever water was used, even wetting > the > >>soldering sponge with it. That cured the problem! > >> > >>I've since gone back to my own water and it's fine now. > >>Suzy > >> > >>---- > >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > >> > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i usually ignore it. i'll polish it, if it's copper looking fine. if not, i'll use steel wool, alchohol, then try again. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 16:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: splotchy patina - Re: distilled water Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 18:11:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199810152215.SAA21555@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >HI, Everyone > >I've got a question, what do you do after you get a splotchy patina? Are >there any ways to salvage a bad copper patina? I usually just wind up >changing it to a black patina. > >Alex Gacic > You can "steel wool" it off. I understand it's hazardous unless you do it under water. Then apply your patina, (I use a paper towel and wipe vigorously), wipe off patina with paper towel, then wax. Don't even use water, or use distilled. Good luck. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 17:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Florida Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:18:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct16.01828.0> References: <<1998Oct14.95910.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Darlene, I go to Hallendale too several times a year ( I live in Central NY), it gets pretty cold here too. There are a few shops in the area. There is one in Dania on Sheridan. I forgot the name. Check out the phone book. Thats what I did when I was there. There are some places in Ft. Lauderdale too, again I can't remember the names. One problem I encountered when I was there were the hours they were open. I schlepped my grandmother all over one day I missed every shop we went to, It was a Saturday and they all closed early. By the way she lives at the Hemispheres, know where it is? Caren Oh and for Elisabeth, I'm in NY State. If you find the city of Albany and the city of Syracuse, I am exactly in the middle, Little Falls, NY. (hence the name Central NY) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 18:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'Bungi Group'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDF880.4F7964E0" Subject: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.17911.0> Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDF880.4F7964E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks: A few weeks ago some one on this list offered a pattern of the Praying = Hands and I sent them my snail address and they sent me something via = email and I was not able to download the item onto my machine. I am = doing my best to be nice about this. I have the persons email address = that made this offer and they have refused to send the pattern for = what ever reason. If it is a matter of postage I am willing to pay it. I hope someone on this list can help. 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Carefully wipe = the footwear you wear in your shop after leaving your other shoes = outside etc. will keep just about all of the glass in the workshop area. = Keeping the door closed may also help for the flying shards but in = truth some still get out, probably on your clothes. Dry Deck is = available at Levitt-Safety in Winnipeg. It's pricey but worth it!! =20 Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Corunna, Ontario ------=_NextPart_000_03A3_01BDF885.91575340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bethan,
 
Besides the = sweeping,=20 vacuuming, wearing particle dust masks with lead filters and wearing = nitrile=20 gloves (rather than Latex) you may want to put some material called = "Dry=20 Deck" on the floor of your workshop area.  It is like the = Morton set=20 up but intended to walk on.  Carefully wipe the footwear you wear = in your=20 shop after leaving your other shoes outside etc. will keep just about = all of the=20 glass in the workshop area.  Keeping the door closed may also help = for the=20 flying shards but in truth some still get out, probably on your = clothes. =20 Dry Deck is available at Levitt-Safety in Winnipeg.  It's pricey = but worth=20 it!!  
 
Doug = Scale
Fire = Creations in=20 Glass
Corunna,=20 Ontario
------=_NextPart_000_03A3_01BDF885.91575340-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 20:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass Music Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810160335.UAA15052@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >Man, oh man!! >I haven't had a good chuckle today, but you have just changed that!!! >Oh Frit....shall be stuck in my head all night. >Way da go Patrick!!! >Cindy >PS Prize you say, hush now Toby's ears are BIG and I do believe he always thinks of bones, even in his sleep:) > > >> >>>I know the name of the tune when you step on Glass. >>> >>>Its "Oh Frit". Don't know the melody but it definitely is universal. >>> >>>Do I get a prize??? >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 21:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: byronw@eatumup.com Subject: Re: Spectrum Water Glass Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.132418.0> References: <<1998Oct14.17548.0>> Precedence: bulk I have noticed the same thing,but have you seen the new Hunter green,It really is a great geen!!!!No plug intended.......... Don On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:05:48 -0500 byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) writes: >Is it just me or has the Spectrum Clear Waterglass gotten pretty >flat??!!? >I use quite a bit of this and my last 2 orders dont seem to have the >deep >waves like it used to...My customers pretty much have always prefered >the >Waterglass over the import knock-offs....Looks like when the dropped >the >price to compete with this new Kalahari Tightwave they also dropped >the >quality.... > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 15 21:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: giapet@softhouse.com Subject: Re: Danger neophyte question.... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:19:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct15.131920.0> References: <<1998Oct14.83438.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Karen,and others....I know of some who use this system,but I find in foil I cut and grind all the pieces,square,lay them all out,(I use Mylar) look at the fit,and then make any adjustments. But in lead I always frame the left and top,squaring, and then start in the upper left corner.. My reasoning ,however correct,is that I can see my pattern lines as I am looking up towards the pieces,if I start from the bottom, I must look beyond the piece , and look back at the pattern lines. Does this make sense ,at least it has worked well for me..Good luck Babs..... Don On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:38 -0400 "Karen K." writes: > >-----Original Message----- > > >>This may seem like a silly question...but I want to know how others >deal >>with this. >>If you are assebling a project...is it best to >> >>1. Start by squaring one corner...tack solder...square another >etc....until a border is around all the pieces.. >> >>2. Start from the middle out.... >> >>3. Start from the top down... >> >>Thanks in advance... >>Daniel in Oregon >> >> >Hi Daniel, It depends on what kind of surface you're working on. >If its wood you could attach two 1" x 1" x 2ft., (or whatever lengths >you chose) to your work surface (one at the bottom and one on the >left side) using a carpenters right-angle square to insure proper >placement of these stop blocks. Then start in this corner and build >up and out when doing lead work. If working in foil I'd lay all >pieces down against the stops and check all 4 corners before >soldering. I usually have the layout pattern down first and put a >piece of clear glass over it. The morton system has layout blocks in >different lengths that you use with push pins into a softer surface >like homosote boards, (not sure of spelling) which I think are like >the large ceiling tiles you'd use in a basement. >KK > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 06:28:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: splotchy patina - Re: distilled water Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.51258.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Alex Gacic" >I've got a question, what do you do after you get a splotchy patina? Are= = there any ways to salvage a bad copper patina? I usually just wind up = changing it to a black patina.< I scrub off the splotchy areas with my ever-present green Scotch scrubby pad, then re-patina. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 06:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: tbyrnes@snet.net, glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:57:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct16.125717.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-16 01:07:46 EDT, you write: << I hope someone on this list can help. >> Hi Tim, I have a praying hands pattern I'll be happy to share with you. If you'll e-mail me your snailmail address. I can put it in the mail to you as soon as I hear from you. Marilyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 08:00:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.0357.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Cindy brought up an interesting question. I am currently at a mall show. The lady who promotes if is a fantastic oil painter and so is her husband. They have several people who go around and sell their work for them, for a commission. Her husband really believes that an artist is not the best person to sell their own work. I tend to agree with him. I see my work and usually just see what I wish I had done differently, or I see flaws that no one else does. This makes me less than the entusiastic salesman. What do the rest of you artists out there think? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 08:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.myriad.net!dankat From: "Dan and Katherine Roberts" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:47:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199810161518.KAA15741@newman.myriad.net> Precedence: bulk I would have to agree. Although I have been getting into working with glass, my real forte is tablet weaving. When I weave something I know what I could have done a little better, or had the tension more even, or whatever. With tablet weaving at least, when I make a mistake in the pattern, I can "un-weave" back to my mistake and correct it. I never have sold any of my tablet weaving. Nobody would pay what has really been put into the item in terms of the hours of work. I've given it as gifts on occasion to very special people, and mostly, I've bartered/traded for other hand made items. So far, this has worked out pretty well for me since I'm not out to make money. The creating is what gives me pleasure. Katherine On 16 Oct 98 at 7:35, Shirley Balloch wrote: > Cindy brought up an interesting question. > I am currently at a mall show. The lady who promotes if is a > fantastic oil painter and so is her husband. They have several people > who go around and sell their work for them, for a commission. Her > husband really believes that an artist is not the best person to sell > their own work. I tend to agree with him. I see my work and usually > just see what I wish I had done differently, or I see flaws that no > one else does. This makes me less than the entusiastic salesman. What > do the rest of you artists out there think? Shirley B ---- For > subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send > to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available > at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 09:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Praying Hands Pattern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:43:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199810161551.QAA19089@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Tim, Just send me your snailmail address and I'll send you print-outs. Don't know what the big deal is for some folks. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi Folks: > > A few weeks ago some one on this list offered a pattern of the Praying = > Hands and I sent them my snail address and they sent me something via = > email and I was not able to download the item onto my machine. I am = > doing my best to be nice about this. I have the persons email address = > that made this offer and they have refused to send the pattern for = > what ever reason. If it is a matter of postage I am willing to pay it. > I hope someone on this list can help. > > Thank you in advance, > > Tim Byrnes ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 09:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Kalahari Tightwave Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:43:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199810161549.QAA19045@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Gottcha, Dorothy! Can't wait to smooch with Pierre!!! Love to Emeraldine Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dorothy wrote: > Never heard of it either, but here's my conjecture...when I type my last > name in Word, the spellchecker thinks it should be spelled Kalahari, so > it must have something to do with me! Well, since Emeraldine lives in my > head, it must be made by her husband Pierre. (If you're new here,never > mind.) Anyhow, the name of the product is wonderful. > > Elisabeth, find Connecticut on your map. Right in the middle is > Hartford. I'm about 20-25 miles west of there in Bristol. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 10:00:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <199810161522.IAA08840@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Cindy brought up an interesting question. >I am currently at a mall show. The lady who promotes if is a fantastic >oil painter and so is her husband. They have several people who go >around and sell their work for them, for a commission. >Her husband really believes that an artist is not the best person to >sell their own work. >I tend to agree with him. I see my work and usually just see what I >wish I had done differently, or I see flaws that no one else does. This >makes me less than the entusiastic salesman. >What do the rest of you artists out there think? >Shirley B Personally I can't think of anyone better to sell my artwork than myself. I know every inch of every piece, the thought that went into developing the design, colour choice, etc. I believe I am the best person to point out how my work is different than/better than other stained glass since I know it so well (and believe in it). AND, at least as importantly, it gives me a chance to hear what people are saying, the things they like/dislike, their reaction to my pricing structure, etc. etc. And finally, since glass is so solitary, it's a chance to get out and meet some people, join the rest of the world for a few days. It gives me a chance to accumulate a mailing list of clients, potential customers, names and numbers for followup...I'd miss all that I think if someone was doing some of the selling for me. I'd be stuck in the studio with no one to talk to... C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 10:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Florida Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:29:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct16.16291.0> References: <<1998Oct16.01828.0>> Precedence: bulk Darlene, I'll be in Florida at Thanksgiving, February and June. Sorry I'll have to go glass shopping without you. But I'll think of you. Oh yeah there is a Bungi member in Delray Beach which isn't too far. Are you still out there? Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 10:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:59:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct16.165917.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I have a problem selling my own work also. I oil paint and do stained glass and I get shattered when someone doesn't like my work. I don't mind if they don't buy but I have a very difficult time with other people's opinions. It makes me worry about my own judgment. I tend to have a strong ego in many areas but this one seems too fragile to me and I am working on it. In the mean time, I let others sell my work for my, usually by word of mouth. Good luck to others in the same boat. Thanks for letting me air this. It is good to know that I am not alone. Irene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 12:00:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RETAIL & SHOPS ONLY!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.44936.0> Precedence: bulk I will be replacing inventory and filling orders for my outlets in the next few weeks. These are my production panel lamps. I will take orders from shops and retailers as well. E-mail me PRIVATLEY for particulars if you are interested. I will NOT supply bases, as you should have your own sources for them. All shades are signed and numbered and can be duplicated for re-orders. sincerely, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 12:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810161904.MAA29018@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Carol, I couldn't have said it better. Not that I don't understand the flip side of the coin. But this is something personal that needs the personal touch to be felt, heard and seen. Usually when an artist starts a show in the gallery... there's *meet the artist night*...that's the personal touch that I feel has the most meaning of the whole show. Usually when you pay someone to sell or promote your work they also have other artist's work. And the time is shared. Dorothy? and Howard have said some very good words pertaining to believing in yourself. Which is a must. I don't think it's a matter of our shyness, but a matter of what we believe in and why we are doing this. If you sit down and think about it, it's rather silly, grin...to produce BEAUTIFUL WORK and hide in the closet just beacuse you are afraid someone won't like it! There's will always be people crictical of things...even toast and how it's toasted! And things like that shouldn't be taken too personally. My motto is...hectic I do my best and that's all I can do...maybe my best might be better tomorrow, but tomorrow is another day. Cindy >Personally I can't think of anyone better to sell my artwork than myself. I >know every inch of every piece, the thought that went into developing the >design, colour choice, etc. I believe I am the best person to point out how >my work is different than/better than other stained glass since I know it so >well (and believe in it). > >AND, at least as importantly, it gives me a chance to hear what people are >saying, the things they like/dislike, their reaction to my pricing >structure, etc. etc. > >And finally, since glass is so solitary, it's a chance to get out and meet >some people, join the rest of the world for a few days. > >It gives me a chance to accumulate a mailing list of clients, potential >customers, names and numbers for followup...I'd miss all that I think if >someone was doing some of the selling for me. I'd be stuck in the studio >with no one to talk to... > >C. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 16:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.14513.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Carol Swann >It gives me a chance to accumulate a mailing list of clients, potential customers, names and numbers for followup...I'd miss all that I think if someone was doing some of the selling for me. I'd be stuck in the studio= with no one to talk to...< Actually, right now I'm hiding out in the studio, not answering the phone= and trying to get caught up on my orders. I am dreading one particular phone call (oh, I'm bad at procrastinating on bad news stuff). Anyway, I'm here in the studio, all alone (thank goodness!) and safely typing away off-line to bungi friends. It's nice to get out and represent your work to the general public, but there is also a time to hide away. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 18:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:04:56 -0700 Message-ID: <199810170004.RAA05079@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Actually, right now I'm hiding out in the studio, not answering the phone= > >and trying to get caught up on my orders. I am dreading one particular >phone call (oh, I'm bad at procrastinating on bad news stuff). Anyway, >I'm here in the studio, all alone (thank goodness!) and safely typing >away off-line to bungi friends. It's nice to get out and represent your >work to the general public, but there is also a time to hide away. Christie...I'm with you on that. I think there needs to be a balance between solitude and interaction with clients...and like you...I have one call I'm dreading...isn't procrastination part of being a glass artist? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 19:07:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: apologies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:15:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810170122.CAA06081@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Feel pretty "defunct", head feels like an exploding mine-field; hardly ever get colds 'n flu, but when I do.... get them for REAL!! Many of you have visited my WEB-site. This also incorporates a "guest-book". Without me realizing it, the guestbook host went defunct. I have therefore lost all records of visitors who took the trouble to sign my guestbook 'n say hello. 1000s of apologies therefore to those of you who took the trouble this last month and never did get my usual cheeky "thank-you" back. New guest-book now up and running ( thanks to Kris - my computer guru), so if you care to visit me 'n my web-site again...even better 'n cheekier service should be resumed.... Once I have resurfaced to the Land of the Living.... that is. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 19:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pierre Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199810170135.CAA06219@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Emeraldine, I have just received the following "under-cover report" This is outrageous! Would you care to comment.... "Elidabed 'd Doby id UK" (drip...stream...) :-\ > My dear E. > > Toby and I should be jealous. However, we know a secret. Pierre is a poodle! > Additionally, he has doggy breath. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 19:44:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:58:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct17.1588.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, I have to agree with those that sell thier own work. It is all a matter of self confidence and believing in your self and the product that you are selling. I had a boss once that could sell ice to eskimo's,it's all in the way you carry yourself which relates to the way you feel aboutyourself and your work.In most cases our work I hope is up the standards that we set for ourselves, which in most cases is excellent right!!!LOL!! So that is how you must see yourself and your work.In cases where the artist is in galleries I believe that this takes even more confidence in the fact that he or she has enough confidence in themselves and thier work that it speaks for itself in most cases.Just my humble opinion!! Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 20:15:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 22:49:58 -0400 Message-ID: <199810170253.WAA03362@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Christie wrote: >Actually, right now I'm hiding out in the studio, not answering the phone= >and trying to get caught up on my orders. I am dreading one particular >phone call (oh, I'm bad at procrastinating on bad news stuff). Anyway, >I'm here in the studio, all alone (thank goodness!) and safely typing >away off-line to bungi friends. It's nice to get out and represent your >work to the general public, but there is also a time to hide away. Carol Swann wrote: >Christie...I'm with you on that. I think there needs to be a balance >between solitude and interaction with clients...and like you...I have one >call I'm dreading...isn't procrastination part of being a glass artist? Christie, I also understand completely. It has everything to do with running a business, any kind of business. If you're the one who does the work AND interacts with the clients, monkey wrenches get thrown in all the time and you lose your best laid plans.. There were times when I broke down completely and just cried...then stayed working all night. Thankfully those days are over now for me and they will for you also...sometime. The bad news stuff is difficult too, but not as difficult as I had anticipated...most people are pretty understanding. Hang in there! You're doing a great job! Suzanne (oops, Suzy) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 22:11:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Selling your work Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:28:37, -0500 Message-ID: <199810170428.AAA08646@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk I believe that artistic ability and selling are two entirely different human skills. While it would be nice for the individual person to combine the two traits, it would seem that the combination is not a likely one at the higher levels of ability. Sure there are artists that sell their own work and do a good job of it but they do not seem to be in the majority. Van Gough IMO was a great artist. He also would scare you if you met him in public. Salesmanship was not his thing. In fact, his brother bought much of his work out of compassion and not for its perceived artistic worth. There are many other examples of great artists that could or did not sell. There may be something in the human mind that does not cotton to creativity and losing by selling. Yes, I said losing. Sure money is usually received in return but what is that when a portion of one's soul is lost in the process. I would guess that nine out of ten artists would be better off if they could turn their work over to a real salesperson. The art work would likely obtain a higher price and the artist would be enabled to do what he/she does best. Please do not get me wrong. I sell my own work. Not because I am a good salesman but because that is the way it has worked out for me. I actually admire people the create and sell their own work with great success. ºBobº ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 16 22:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Quick Question Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.204932.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- We're in the middle of a church restoration -painted, figurative windows probably completed = in three phases, possibly by = 2-3 different designers, and certainly by two different studios. One set of windows is signed = by "Whittemore Assoc., Needham Hts., Mass. 1967". Does anyone have knowledge or information about this studio? Any connection with Whittemore-Durgin? This chapel is on an Army base and they have very little information available about the windows - we would like to help them update their files and are just plain nosey ourselves! Hope everyone is well! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 00:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How about a contest? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:39:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct16.163941.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Since it is getting towards the end of the year, I was thinking about the best and worse contests. How about the best stained glass design you have seen this year and the worse you have seen. I'll start. The best: anything by GlassSmith Studios The worse: mine Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 02:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: name mistake Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810162353.QAA08707@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Truely sorry for the wrong name Elaine and Dorothy!! very good words thou. Cindy > >>>>Dorothy? and Howard have said some very good words pertaining to believing >in yourself.<<<< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 02:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810162352.QAA07863@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Possibly just not aware. Tim...I have a line drawing for blasting I could send you, you'd need to adjust for stained glass. Cindy > >Hey Tim, >Just send me your snailmail address and I'll send you print-outs. >Don't know what the big deal is for some folks. >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >> Hi Folks: >> >> A few weeks ago some one on this list offered a pattern of the Praying = >> Hands and I sent them my snail address and they sent me something via = >> email and I was not able to download the item onto my machine. I am = >> doing my best to be nice about this. I have the persons email address = >> that made this offer and they have refused to send the pattern for = >> what ever reason. If it is a matter of postage I am willing to pay it. >> I hope someone on this list can help. >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Tim Byrnes >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 04:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: " BOB DUCHESNEAU" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 06:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <199810171050.GAA27067@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >Van Gough IMO was a great artist. He also would scare you if you met >him in public. Salesmanship was not his thing. In fact, his brother >bought much of his work out of compassion and not for its perceived >artistic worth. There are many other examples of great artists that >could or did not sell. By the way, there is a Van Gogh exhibit starting this month in the National Gallery in Washington, goes through till January. Great article and pictures in Smithsonian Magazine! It's called "Van Gogh's Van Gogh," some of which I had never seen. Certainly worth the trip if you're anywhere near. >There may be something in the human mind that does not cotton to >creativity and losing by selling. Yes, I said losing. Sure money is >usually received in return but what is that when a portion of one's >soul is lost in the process. An interesting thought, many times true. Unless the buyer just loves your work, then your soul gains a bit! >I would guess that nine out of ten artists would be better off if >they could turn their work over to a real salesperson. The art work >would likely obtain a higher price and the artist would be enabled to >do what he/she does best. I'm with you on that! Thanks, Suzy (who's off to yet another craft show, baring my soul again...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 05:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cookies Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199810171235.IAA05207@out.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Anyone who has an interest in finding out everything about cookies can go to: http://www.cookiecentral.com/. Also, someone had posted windchime "chat". I asked for info on patterns for windchimes, and didn't get a response. Can anyone out there tell me where I can get patterns? Thanks in advance. Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 07:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bios #61 Carol Swann Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.34717.0> Precedence: bulk I've postponed sending in a bio on Kayla's advice (my chocolate lab)...she keeps telling me that Toby's cute and she wants to meet him, even though he's way too young for her. I've finally convinced her that Patrick lives nowhere near us so this isn't a way for her to meet Toby, and we should let the poor man go out his door without hiding his gnomon first...so here goes my bio. I've lived all my life on Vancouver Island on British Columbia's coast, with a short stint up the coast and on the Queen Charlotte Islands. Most of that time was spent out on the water or on the beaches from the time I could walk, so naturally I became a marine biologist. I always broke the mold...from fighting to have women accepted in field camps, to being an avid motorbiker, to being the first woman fish camp manager and first woman to farm oysters alone on VAncouver Island's west coast. Through my work I've had the privilege of being in some extremely remote areas for extended periods of time, and having ocean, beach and rivers as "my office". It wasn't until I sold my oyster farm and moved out of the bush 6 years ago that I realized not everyone has had a pet seal, and had eagles raise babies at the back of "their" beach. Not everyone has kingfishers diving outside their door, nor does everyone have the privilege to see silver ribbons of herring a hundred meters wide swimming along the shoreline. People go to carnivals to get the adrenaline rush of being challenged by a bear in tight quarters. Today, people pay big bucks to experience my lifestyle for a few days. It's called ecotourism. Of course there's a downside to this...you have to be able to improvise projects with the tools and supplies on hand, especially when the nearest hardware might be 3-4 hr away, sometimes you could only get there by boat or plane (especially good preparation for doing on site installations). Then there's those nights of 70 knot winds where I used to sit awake in the rocking floathouse tucked in a corner of my inlet praying I'd set the farm's anchors well enough. (Boy can I empathize with those folks in Florida and the other southern states...we had hurricane force winds with our winter storms several times a winter). So how did I get to glass, you might ask? In the mid 80s I was living in town as a bored housewife, and the local stained glass person was offering lessons (no glass sales, mind you...we had to drive 4 hr each way to buy that). So I took the course. Shortly afterwards I moved back to the bush to start my oyster farm and didn't do much glass again for a while. I probably picked the only other profession where sliced fingers are an everyday occurrence :). I'm sure a shrink would have lots to say about that. On and off I dabbled with glass during the winter nights at least during the time I was living with electricity, learning much of the techniques in the school of hard knocks. (Never could see much point in firing up the generator to run a soldering iron). I sold the farm in 1991 and moved to the populated east side of the Island, to a community of about 15,000 people...to me a city...to folks from Vancouver, a rural retreat. Go figure, it's all in perspective. By this time people were asking me to make them projects in glass, and offering to pay. I resisted firmly, insisting that I didn't want to sully my hobby with commerce. Never let it be said I'm stubborn and a slow learner . So it took a back injury and a midlife crisis to force a career change. I had been doing biological consulting, but could no longer do the field work. I was also on crutches for a period of time and had to look at what else I could do well enough to support myself. I went back to school for a master's degree in applied behavioral science, since I've always been fascinated by the way people act and wanted to learn about what motivated these actions. Then found out that jobs in that field were in the "suit and tie" business world. Never being a lover of the corporate dance and politics, plus the fact that my language and personality was still pretty rough from living near bush towns, I decided that work wasn't for me, at least in the traditional way. I did begin to learn about the psychological aspects of colour, and then moved on into a personal study of colour symbolism in a number of cultures, colour energy and colour healing, etc. The answer to my search...stained glass. It became apparent to me that I had loved the biological field work not for the science, but because of the spiritual connection with nature, and I could access this connection by going to the beach to recharge my creative batteries, instead of to count critters. I opened a home based studio 2 1/2 years ago...well I never really officially "opened" it, just started doing more and more commissions, at first out of financial desperation, then by choice, then actively promoting my artwork. I do all types of commissions, but people seem especially attracted to my nature pieces (especially birds), as well as my intuitive talismans. About a year ago I incorporated creativity retreats into the mix of what I do...facilitating others in becoming more creative in their personal, business and artistic pursuits. I also write occasional articles for several publications on marine and nature based topics. So the next chapter is still to come, but for now I've found a way to incorporate nature, glass and interacting with people into a way that works for me. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 07:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #62 Kathy Biggerstaff Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.35131.0> Precedence: bulk ......o.k....o.k....I received a nudge......then a push.....now a kick in the butt.......so folks...here goes. My name is Kathy Biggerstaff, I was born and spent the first 20 years of my life in a small town in North Carolina. Married my husband in 1977 and shortly there after moved to Chattanooga ,Tennessee . My husband is in Textile & Garment Manufacturing so we have moved quite a few times. In the 21 years that we have been married we have lived in NC, TN, NC, PA, NC, AL, MO, NC, and now we live in Naperville, Illinois. We have 2 daughters, Cadi who is 15 1/2 and Christie who is 13 1/2. We also have a small Maltese named Mikey, named after my husband ........he named him, not me! I have always loved and admired Stained Glass and hoped that someday I would be able to learn such a beautiful art. Well, I got the chance while we were living in Missouri. I took a session of 6 classes from a shop owner named Sam Lopp. After the first copper foil class I was hooked. I went into the shop the next day and bought about $150 in glass and some books, foil and other necessary items and got started. Most of the glass that I do are dimensional pieces.....Standing Angels, Boxes, Kaleidoscopes, candle shelters and a few panel lamps. I hope someday to make the Odyssey Elaborate Peony and the 22" Dragonfly Lamps. Someday! In addition to Stained Glass, I also make Lampwork Beads. This is also something that i dearly love. So far I have made round ,tube beads, Bumble Bees', Honey Bee's, Birds, Hummingbirds, and Tube Beads with a Lizard wrapped around it. I also have a Kiln that I bought to anneal my beads in, but it didn't come with a book and I am chicken to use it when I don't know what I am doing and have no one to "show" me what to do...another Someday! I also bought a Blasting Cabinet at a Garage Sale this summer and hopefully when the weather get cooler and I am forced to stay inside, I will learn to use it. Someday! Well, now you know a little bit about me. Any advise on my "Someday" things would be welcomed and greatly appreciated! Bungi is a great family and I feel honored to be considered a part of it! Thank you for the opportunity . O.k. everyone out there..........I did it......now you had better too! Maybe we should get Toby interested in some of the delectable lurker bodies out there!!!!! Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 07:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct17.54610.0> Precedence: bulk I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff anyway? The nearest glass store is 90 miles away, so a trip to get grinder coolant seems a bit extravagant. Russ Hilleke ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 08:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Grinder, broken fingernails Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:58:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct17.13587.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/13/98 10:19:30 PM, s.richard@verrier- scotland.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <199810131544.KAA17960@relay.acns.nwu.edu>, Kaye Sodt > writes >.......cut.............. >> >>I really hate grinding (for some reason I always mess up my >>already miserable fingernails), > >I've found that the finger protectors that are used by people counting >lots of bank notes, pieces of paper, etc. are very good for reducing the >incidence of broken nails and small cuts on fingers. I buy large sized >ones (not just because of the size of my hands) and turn them inside >out. The litte nobs on the inside mean that during extended use my >fingers get some ventilation. > >No cuts, no shattered nails. > > >Steve Sorry, but I had to laugh. Fingernails? What fingernails? Who's worried about fingernails? I'd be happy just to keep some SKIN on my thumbs and first 2 fingers of both hands. I do get calluses, but they peel (same thing used to happen when I was playing a lot of folk guitar instead of studying in college) and I'm forever trying to grow new ones. I finally got into the habit of taping up at least the thumb of my right hand and the "pointer finger" of both hands with fabric band-aids (the plastic ones don't hold up at all) and covering that with 1/2" waterproof adhesive tape when I'm doing a lot of grinding (which I'm definitely doing now, since we're in "mass production mode" for the Xmas crunch). Since I've got arthritis in the last joint of my right index finger, I've also started "splinting" it with a good layer of waterproof tape, which is rigid enough to guard against the sideways pressure I tend to put on it when grinding. Makes all the difference in the world. I spent about half the day yesterday with mummified fingers. I've gotten so used to working that way, I sometimes forget to take the tape off when I'm done grinding. I think Christie wonders how I can work like that (lucky duck, she gets calluses and they stay!). -----Sparks (who ought to be a stockholder in Johnson & Johnson by now) typing with 3 bandaged fingers, hoping to grow some new skin by Monday ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 08:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Thanks for the kind words Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.629.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the kind words of sympathy on my procrastination over calling a client with some bad news. I am calling her after I get off the computer. Going to reset an installation date. Most folk are very understanding. I am having to tear apart a particularly large set of sidelights & transom, cause dumb-dumb here didn't measure it EXACTLY correctly and the client doesn't want me putting up molding around the frame to hide my 1/8" gap. Gag me with a duck! And just adding on a different width of zinc framing isn't going to cut it with her. What a pain. I'm having to rearrange my studio space as well, since I can't work on anything else when these big sidelights are out on the table. Can't wait till after Christmas! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 08:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.6212.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. Got another problem which maybe you all can advise me on. I sell a line of garden ornaments made of marbles & brass tubing shaped into beautiful artistic shapes. I do not manufacture these items. They are made by a local mother/daughter team. These ornaments are quite a 'hot' selling item. So much so, that I cannot get my mother/ daughter team to produce them fast enough. She is constantly promising to bring over another batch on such-in-such a date, then not showing up and not calling me. This has happened more than once. I now have eight boxes of wholesale orders ready to ship, but cannot as I am still waiting to receive these ornaments. So, my cash flow is hung up, and I'm receiving customer calls about when their orders will be shipping. I've offered to come over to mother/daughter's place and help them make the ornaments, but each time I've offered to do this, mother declines. Maybe she's afraid I'm going to copy her manufacturing techniques. Believe me, this is the LAST thing I would do. But I am in such a bind right now that I'm almost to the point of making some on my own just to get the blasted eight boxes out of the shop. The garden ornaments are her design & manufacturing. I do not have an alternate supplier. I have considered dropping this line from my store due to these problems. But my clients like them and really want them. Any words of wisdom on how to handle this situation? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 09:33:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fast.net!jlagana From: "Joe Lagana" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.65754.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 09:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Selling your work Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810171605.JAA16378@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob and all, I agree with what you are saying totally. And I'm not the most *outgoing* person in the world... AND this is my .02 cents again, grin. I beleive your *work sells it's self* basically. It's just nice to know and see the person who made it and hear it for them. I collect pottery... I have stuff from all over BC. And I have also talked to each person who has made the piece or pieces I've bought. When folks come over to my house and see the pottery I can tell them something about the person who made it...I feel good about that, it makes it more personal. I get nervous you betcha and believe it or not..... I'm very shy. But in this day and age many of us have over come many *hurdles* in life. Addressing the shyness for what it is and trying to work it out within, gives one more insight to who we are. If you're happy in how and what you are doing I wouldn't change it, but if you are not and you feel it's a stumbling block it can be changed. There should be more courses on the subject because your art is your business. And unfortunately most of us have to do it all. In my humble opinion...grin Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 12:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Ensembles@compuserve.com Subject: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:06:29, -0500 Message-ID: <199810171906.PAA08682@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I sell a line of garden ornaments made of marbles & brass tubing shaped into beautiful artistic shapes. I do not manufacture these items. They are made by a local mother/daughter team. These ornaments are quite a 'hot' selling item. So much so, that I cannot get my mother/ daughter team to produce them fast enough. She is constantly promising to bring over another batch on such-in-such a date, then not showing up and not calling me. This has happened more than once. I now have eight boxes of wholesale orders ready to ship, but cannot as I am still waiting to receive these ornaments. So, my cash flow is hung up, and I'm receiving customer calls about when their orders will be shipping. << What strikes me is that you may be considered an unreliable supplier in the eyes of eight clients. More than one of them will thing twice before they order from you again. Whatever the excuses, all they are likely to see is that you did not ship their merchandise in a timely mannor. There are several ways out of this. 1. For right now, make up some of the items to fill your outstanding orders. If anyone reading this does not like that they can save their time and forget about writing me to defend the rights of the unreliable supplier. 2. Stop selling the item until you can build up a stockpile from your supplier. 3. Make bone certain your supplier knows your plight and responds in a satisfactory way. 4. Consider offering a higher price to the supplier. $1.00 more each may get their interest level up. Perhaps they feel they bid to low and now resent the established price. Could be. I have one wholesaler that does not do a good job of maintaining his stock. He will hold up an order or ship short. I only deal with him when I can not get the item elsewhere. Every year he looses several hundred dollars in business from me due to his unreliability. Of course he does not know that this is happening. Be warned. If I come across as blunt in this post it is only because I wish to point out the seriousness of the bind you are in. ºBobº ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 13:26:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp13.math.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: dmg To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Gallery, revisited Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <199810171937.PAA01218@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, I have spent some time with the gallery. I invite you to stop by. The new addition is the ability to include persistent comments on any given page so other can read them. I hope you like it. I am specially interested in testing the "comments" system, since I just finished it today, so please let me know whether you have any problem with it. Let me know what you think about it. And of course, it is open for submissions. http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery/index.html thanks a lot! dmg -- http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 13:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.114439.0> Precedence: bulk You are facing HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION....but don't worry. The lube is a plus; but it works fine with plain water...... Arnold -----Original Message----- From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 11:10 AM Subject: grinder lubricant >I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out >of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, >you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder >to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking >eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community >if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff >anyway? > >The nearest glass store is 90 miles away, so a trip to get grinder >coolant seems a bit extravagant. > >Russ Hilleke >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 14:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gallery, revisited Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.132645.0> Precedence: bulk Beautiful job...Thank you Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: dmg To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 4:43 PM Subject: Gallery, revisited > >Hi Everybody, > >I have spent some time with the gallery. I invite you to stop by. The >new addition is the ability to include persistent comments on any >given page so other can read them. I hope you like it. I am specially >interested in testing the "comments" system, since I just finished it >today, so please let me know whether you have any problem with it. > > >Let me know what you think about it. And of course, it is open for >submissions. > >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery/index.html > >thanks a lot! > >dmg > >-- >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 15:59:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilled a hole in glass today Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199810172240.XAA23839@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk HEYCheryl !! Wonderful!! WELL DONE!!! Proud of you!! Let me know how the rest of the Clock develops.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Cheryl Parrot wrote: > Hi Elisabeth and all... > > Well, I did it!!! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 16:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.145034.0> Precedence: bulk I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 16:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gallery, revisited Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:18:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct17.231810.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel, you did a terrific job. Very professional looking. Is this your other job? Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 17:10:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilled a hole in glass today Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199810172252.XAA24029@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk HEYCheryl !! Wonderful!! WELL DONE!!! Proud of you!! Let me know how the rest of the Clock develops.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Cheryl Parrot wrote: > Hi Elisabeth and all... > > Well, I did it!!! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 17:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ameritech.net!garys From: Gary Schroeder To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.155128.0> References: <<1998Oct17.145034.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome to the club, your among fine company. I also (in my vast experience) have also only used what passes locally as water. Gary Christie A. Wood wrote: > > I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir > except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 17:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.154821.0> References: <<1998Oct17.54610.0>> Precedence: bulk HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out > of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, > you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder > to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking > eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community > if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff > anyway? > > The nearest glass store is 90 miles away, so a trip to get grinder > coolant seems a bit extravagant. > > Russ Hilleke > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass grinder lube was never needed, it's another thing to buy. water is fine. the lube will help the glass collect at the bottom better, let's the water flow a little better. it's not really needed... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 17:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 20:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: <199810180024.UAA07702@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out >of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, >you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder >to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking >eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community >if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff >anyway? No Russ, you're OK! I lived without that stuff for years. Nothing bad happened to me. :) I don't know what's in it but it's supposed to increase the life of your grinder head. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 19:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.144521.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players but something for the professional escapes me. I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking stuffer. TIA Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 19:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:33:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct18.13339.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/17/98 11:30:16 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir >except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. ........ But you've led an innocent soul (me? innocent? no comments from the peanut gallery, please!) down the path of iniquity and destruction by teaching me the same way. I just hope you've made enough "guardian angels" this week to earn your way out of the fiery furnace! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 19:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.181220.0> References: <<1998Oct17.144521.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? > I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players > but something for the professional escapes me. > I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking > stuffer. > TIA > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i forget what the book was, but it was just doctor stuff. xrays, doctor symbol, etc. i wanted to get it once but it was like 20 bucks, a little too much for me. i would try to find his particular doctor symbol for his field. and make that. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 20:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.183639.0> References: <<1998Oct17.54610.0>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Hi Russ! I use anti-freeze in my grinders. Have, for years. It works fine and is dirt cheap. One bottle lasts forever. . . . Nadine HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out > of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, > you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder > to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking > eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community > if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff > anyway? > > The nearest glass store is 90 miles away, so a trip to get grinder > coolant seems a bit extravagant. > > Russ Hilleke > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 20:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:38:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199810180244.DAA00582@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ah well Christie, 'Suppose you and I will burn in hell together...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (...on the mend...on the mend...getting there!!) > I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir > except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 20:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 22:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199810180252.WAA14951@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 10/17/98 11:30:16 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: > >>I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir >>except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. > >........ But you've led an innocent soul (me? innocent? no comments from the >peanut gallery, please!) down the path of iniquity and destruction by >teaching >me the same way. I just hope you've made enough "guardian angels" this >week to >earn your way out of the fiery furnace! Christie, only if you've been using Holy Water in your grinder. Then you can leave Purgatory and go straight to Heaven. Innocent Soul Sparks, (yeah, sure, I fell for that one) don't you think you should be kind to Christie this week??? She's going through Hell, thinks she's in Purgatory, and deserves to be in Heaven. At least she's not in Limbo. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 21:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.201133.0> References: <<1998Oct17.144521.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Look through your clip art files in your computer programs publishing programs. Clip art is simple to print out in most any size, and easy to adapt into a pattern for stained glass. My MS Publisher program has a ton of symbols, doctors, seasons, religious, etc. fibers wrote: > > Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? > I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players > but something for the professional escapes me. > I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking > stuffer. > TIA > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 17 22:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.201133.0> References: <<1998Oct17.144521.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Look through your clip art files in your computer programs publishing programs. Clip art is simple to print out in most any size, and easy to adapt into a pattern for stained glass. My MS Publisher program has a ton of symbols, doctors, seasons, religious, etc. fibers wrote: > > Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? > I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players > but something for the professional escapes me. > I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking > stuffer. > TIA > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 05:40:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: pmsl@epix.netepix.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Wind Chimes for Paula Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:47:36 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct18.114736.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Paula! Sorry to hear that no one has responded to your request. Occasionally that does happen on bungi. You did the right thing by asking again. Feel free to keep asking until someone hears you and responds. I seem to remember Suzy responding a short time ago with directions on how she assembles her wind chimes. However, you are looking for a pattern or book. Hmmmm...... I seem to recall Delphi selling a kit, but wait a minute, that was for mobiles. If you have a Delphi catalog, you may want to look in there to get some ideas on how things can be assembled for hanging. Cannot really recall seeing a pattern book specifically for wind chimes, but I will look thru my sources a bit and make a phone call. Actually, I believe that people just pick a favorite motiff and make about 5 or 7 of the same piece. Wind chimes can also be very "free form", hence, you can use up glass scraps right from your supply in any type of shape you desire. Let me know if this helps. Also, let me know if you need Suzy's directions as to construction. Her construction technique is fairly simple and I wll send you the directions if you did not receive them. Lenore formerly Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 06:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: tbyrnes@snet.net, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:48:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct18.124819.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Tim, Your pattern is in the mail!!! Enjoy & happy cutting! Marilyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 07:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 06:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:04:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct18.13439.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/18/98 4:09:54 AM, nadinesfolly@erols.com wrote: >Hi Russ! > >I use anti-freeze in my grinders. Have, for years. >It works fine and is dirt cheap. One bottle lasts >forever. . . . > Nadine How much antifreeze do you use, and how do you dispose of your grinder sludge? One very good thing about using plain water is that you don't have to worry about dumping your sludge in the garbage or hosing your grinder's reservoir out under a bush in the back yard the way I do - I don't have running water in the garage, and I try not to do any more cleanup in the house than I have to because it makes my "significant mother" nervous. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 08:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct18.53224.0> References: <<1998Oct17.183639.0>> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > Hi Russ! > > I use anti-freeze in my grinders. Have, for years. > It works fine and is dirt cheap. One bottle lasts > forever. . . . > Nadine > Anti-freeze? As in car radiators? The same stuff that makes me sick as a dog just breathing the vapors when the heater core gets old and leaky? Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are referring? Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 08:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.64850.0> References: <<01BDFA73.D6DC8080.kleeman@one.net>> Precedence: bulk Debbie Taylor wrote: > > i disagree with mike, i think the coolent helps preserve the diamonds on the > bit, you can also go to your local hardware store and buy router coolant-it is > the same thing > debbie > > On Saturday, October 17, 1998 7:48 PM, M. Savad wrote: > > HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > > > > > I pulled out all my glass working tools today and discovered I am out > > > of the glass grinder lubricant/coolant/whatever_the_heck_that_stuff_is, > > > you know, the gunk you are supposed to add to the water in your grinder > > > to extend the life of the diamond surface. My question, am I risking > > > eternal perdition and forfeiture of all respect in the community > > > if I grind away with just water in my grinder? What is in that stuff > > > anyway? > > > > > > The nearest glass store is 90 miles away, so a trip to get grinder > > > coolant seems a bit extravagant. > > > > > > Russ Hilleke > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > grinder lube was never needed, it's another thing to buy. water is fine. > > the lube will help the glass collect at the bottom better, let's the > > water flow a little better. it's not really needed... > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > > of the Brilliance Award. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for about 10 years i used a grinder without the coolant, and the bit's lasted for nearly as long as they do now. with the coolant it lasts a little longer. i mainly use it to make clean up easier. it allows the glass goo to conjeal (sp?), so it's easier to remove. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 10:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.75540.0> Precedence: bulk >Anti-freeze? As in car radiators? The same stuff that makes me sick as a >dog just breathing the vapors when the heater core gets old and leaky? >Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are referring? > >Mary > >---- You could try the stuff used for RV's, it's milder and I know you can't use the car type for your camper's water lines. Costs about $2 a gallon. KK. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 13:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass music, was Re: Polishing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199810181943.UAA14170@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk There again..., We have the music from former USSR Maestro GLASsonov E 'n T in UK Sparks wrote: > > Or maybe he could choreograph something to Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken > > Glass"...... Dorothy replied: > I'm sure many of us have choreography for "Walking on Broken Glass"...of course, > your lyrics may be a bit different than the Annie Lenox version. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 13:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass music Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199810181943.UAA14175@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Carol T. You should just HEAR the one that T O B Y sings. Blood-curdling and it makes the "Hounds of the Baskerville" sound like a pretty Mozart minuette. "Oh FRIT!!!!" Roll on Sanity..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > I have composed my own music? to walking on glass, but I usually only > sing it around 2 am when I can't sleep and decide to cut glass and > forget to put on shoes. Also, if there is one (l) little sliver of > glass anywhere in the house, my husband will step on it and he also > sings the same tune. It's probably a popular song among glass people, > but I don't know the name of it or if it has one. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 14:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Got you figured already!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199810181944.UAA14190@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Brandon, Got you figured already.... you cheeky so-and-so. A suggestion to ALL UK Bungians / Bunginians... MIGHT there possibly be a remote chance of us getting together, somehow, somewhere during the next 10 months.... a reasonably central location for all of us to make a determined effort to meet up. I would so much like to be able to take with me to USA a face, a picture, a personality, a bit of YOUR own work of ALL of you here in UK....just to make these folks in USA realize that WE in UK is a force to be reckoned with. Once I get over this blessed flu-bug , that has floored me just now, will execute my plans to visit Bournemouth ( and....David in Luton, SHAME on you ....you are less than 3 miles away from me....we STILL haven't got together...:-< ) My old faithful Volvo needs a few restorative "tweeks" here 'n there, but is "as-ever-willing" to soldier on. Am quite happy to travel to meet up with you folks, but would appreciate a little enthusiasm and enterprise here. I would actually quite LIKE to take something of "YOU" with me to our American friends..... Our friends in USA are SO enthusiastic, so caring, so much wanting to KNOW. Surely...., you cannot just leave it to a "bolshie old Swede" to present the British stained glass side of things.... Let's not "let the side down" here.... Come on Chaps 'n Chapesses! Drop the British "inertia" and come up with some concrete ideas and plans! ...Or Toby will come 'n get you!!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in (Hertfordshire) UK SNIP: > Brandon > UK > 12 mile sw of Birmingham Uk IO92XL > Uk call sign G4ISQ > ---- > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 14:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The World Series & Bios Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.62141.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi All! Welp my fantastic cousin Randy Myers is in yet another World Series! Let's hope the Padres win!! Sorry New York fans but I'm partial. Yeah, yeah I know the Yankees are the favorites to win but I always root for the underdog! The bios were great, thanks ladies! Carol forgot to mention the fact that she has this wonderful sense of humor that could make you double over with stomach pains and laughter at times. I have had the opportunity to talk to Carol via our ICQ chats. And in this short period of time I have understood the thing about Carol is she is a very caring, giving and lovely lady. The pleasure is all mine when we talk. So Carol glad you sent that bio in so some people could get to know you better. Remercie mon ami! Thanks Pat! -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 15:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.121943.0> Precedence: bulk Yup, antifreeze, and if memory serves me, we discussed several years ago on bungi that some of the grinder coolants are in fact re-packaged antifreeze. There's probably something in the archives. We just use plain old water... works just fine though we don't use the grinder much. = Hope all is well. Still in my lurker mode - it's not nearly as much = fun as being in the thick of things. I seem to use my delete button alot more. In two months I'll probably be complaining that the threads are boring!! ;-) Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 15:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.13629.0> Precedence: bulk Suzy......a kindred spirit....Bet you rolled your skirt up when you left school, as my wife did..... Arnold Schneider -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com ; glass bungi line Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 11:52 PM Subject: Re: grinder lubricant >> >>In a message dated 10/17/98 11:30:16 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >> >>>I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir >>>except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. >> >>........ But you've led an innocent soul (me? innocent? no comments from the >>peanut gallery, please!) down the path of iniquity and destruction by >>teaching >>me the same way. I just hope you've made enough "guardian angels" this >>week to >>earn your way out of the fiery furnace! > >Christie, only if you've been using Holy Water in your grinder. Then you >can leave Purgatory and go straight to Heaven. > >Innocent Soul Sparks, (yeah, sure, I fell for that one) don't you think >you should be kind to Christie this week??? She's going through Hell, >thinks she's in Purgatory, and deserves to be in Heaven. At least she's >not in Limbo. >Suzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 15:31:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.1300.0> Precedence: bulk You could show scales for the lawyer and that serpant on the stick, can't think of the name, for the doctor...Or, you could show wads of money for either..... Arnold Schneider -----Original Message----- From: fibers To: glass@ bungie.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Doctors & Lawyers >Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? >I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players >but something for the professional escapes me. >I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking >stuffer. >TIA >Nelda > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 15:34:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 98 17:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: <199810182117.RAA05624@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > > >>Anti-freeze? As in car radiators? The same stuff that makes me sick >as a >>dog just breathing the vapors when the heater core gets old and >leaky? > >>Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are >referring? Another important point, if cats should drink any of that stuff...they die. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 17:30:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: A long time ago question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199810182332.AAA18145@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, About a year or so ago, someone asked a question about the Windsor Castle Restoration video in UK.... Well, .... I played about a bit tonight and surfed various UK sites (still trying to find as good a map-site for UK as the one I found for USA!!). In my web-travels I paid another visit to the British Royal family's web-site. There was an extensive coverage of the Windsor Castle restoration included there. address: http://www.royal.gov.uk Under Windsor Castle restoration page, click "Private Chapel".... and that should bring you to the Stained Glass panel for which Prince Philip provided "rough sketches". Oh...and by the way, on the Home Page, the Queen Mother also has her own Page. In it, is a reference to her childhood home of St.Pauls Waldenbury..... which is a mile (1.5 km) away from where I myself live. In her biography is also the fact that she was the Chancellor of London University, which was when I got presented to her myself as a London Graduate. Wonderful Lady..... she loves drinking Guinness!. I have since met her several times at the House in St.Pauls Waldenbury.... known here as the Bury of St.Pauls Walden. Every time she came to stay here, the local police force was out in strength and and nobody could drive anywhere for security reasons. It was was a right pain in the butt trying to get home after a day's work in London...... The Old Girl is now almost 100 and doesn't move around that much anymore from Clarence House in London. The one thing I think I will always remember about her, is her incredibly penetrating blue eyes and formidable memory for details. Also her graciousness; one graduate at London University who had also been selected to be presented to her, was wheel-chair bound. She arrived into the room terribly anxious, worried and flustered by the wheel-chair. The Queen Mother just got up out of her own chair, crossed the floor and knelt down by the wheel chair and put the Graduate totally at ease. She was well past her 70's at the time and was about to undergo her hip-replacement operation. I witnessed this incident myself..... The roads around here have fewer police road-blocks these days...... When the Queen Mother eventually dies, don't be surprised you folks in USA at a national grief similar to that of Diana..... The Queen Mother in UK is probably the most loved and adored Royal figure.... she is known to have "a foot in real life". Also on the Royal WEB-site is a link page to the BBC website about the British Royal family and extensive coverage about Diana (with video and audio clips), that might take your fancy http://www.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/diana_one_year_on_/default.stm which also includes pix etc of Althorp. Just like to bring you closer to my own doorstep........ Enjoy! The "new " stained glass at Windsor...? Hmmmm...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 17:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3AF1316C279B7E92B3851220" Subject: Design Idea's Please Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.82325.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk --------------3AF1316C279B7E92B3851220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! Received an e-mail today from a great lady who is new to the computer and internet. She is subscribing to bungi soon but I told her I would forward her message onto you so maybe you all could give her some idea's alrighty?? Please e-mail her personally with your replies Dorothy pineyridge@uswest.net Here is Dorothy's query: If you have a chance, ask around for help for my newest challenge, besides the antique car. I have to make 2 - 8" x 8'-0 stained glass windows that fit over the top of a 4' x 8' picture window. Suggestions? Vines/roses/??? Thanx. Dorothy Thanks everyone!! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ --------------3AF1316C279B7E92B3851220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all!

Received an e-mail today from a great lady who is new to the computer and internet. She is subscribing to bungi soon but I told her I would forward her message onto you so maybe you all could give her some idea's alrighty??

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Dorothy
pineyridge@uswest.net

Here is Dorothy's query:

If you have a chance, ask around for help for my newest challenge, besides the antique car.  I have to make 2 - 8" x 8'-0 stained glass windows that fit over the top of a 4' x 8' picture window.  Suggestions?  Vines/roses/???   Thanx.  Dorothy

Thanks everyone!!

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  --------------3AF1316C279B7E92B3851220-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 18:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: maruca@netaxs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.165350.0> References: <<1998Oct18.53224.0>> Precedence: bulk Actually, there is a new antifreeze that is safe for the environment. (Maybe people and pets too??) But as long as you or a pet didn't swallow it, regular old antifreeze should not be poisionious. I believe the fumes are unpleasant from a heater core, not toxic. Kathy maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > > > Hi Russ! > > > > I use anti-freeze in my grinders. Have, for years. > > It works fine and is dirt cheap. One bottle lasts > > forever. . . . > > Nadine > > > > Anti-freeze? As in car radiators? The same stuff that makes me sick as a > dog just breathing the vapors when the heater core gets old and leaky? > > Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are > referring? > > Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 18:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Sun, 18 Oct 98 20:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <199810190028.UAA16778@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Arnold wrote: >Suzy......a kindred spirit....Bet you rolled your skirt up when you left >school, as my wife did..... Yup, plus took off the *@!^ nylons, applied lipstick, and wore sleeveless blouses! Will probably end up in Purgatory... Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 19:04:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: dmg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gallery, revisited Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:37:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.163731.0> References: <<199810171937.PAA01218@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel, Well done on the "new" gallery. I like it a lot. And to beat all, I recognised your e-mail address, and it's been a while since we've heard from you. What have you been doing in the glass line and where have you been? Thanks, Kathy dmg wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I have spent some time with the gallery. I invite you to stop by. The > new addition is the ability to include persistent comments on any > given page so other can read them. I hope you like it. I am specially > interested in testing the "comments" system, since I just finished it > today, so please let me know whether you have any problem with it. > > Let me know what you think about it. And of course, it is open for > submissions. > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery/index.html > > thanks a lot! > > dmg > > -- > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 19:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pierre Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:25:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.172512.0> References: <<199810170135.CAA06219@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > Dear Emeraldine, > I have just received the following "under-cover report" > This is outrageous! > Would you care to comment.... > "Elidabed 'd Doby id UK" (drip...stream...) :-\ > > > My dear E. > > > > Toby and I should be jealous. However, we know a secret. Pierre is a poodle! > > Additionally, he has doggy breath. Elisabeth, You are probably having trouble reading with that cold, my dear. Although Pierre has curly hair, he has pale green waterglass breath. (I do tend to call up images in glass.) We have battled rumors before, usually begun by the jealous. We've been gone for a few days: we were out searching for another source for the secret ingredients for Pierre's famous puce glass. If you are having trouble finding it at your supplier, well...now you know...shortages. I can't say more. Dearest Pierre is working hard to replenish the inventory, though, so don't panic. I have been spending the past weeks developing a method for creating four-dimensional stained glass works. It involves adding another axis to your coordinate system. The results? A fusing of light and sound. Once this puce crisis is over, Pierre will help me tune my method, and I will be presenting to the world a stained glass piece that is finally music for the eyes. I see a shifting rainbow filled with ethereal chimes. (Not suitable for ballet, however, so Patrick need not fear further demands on his time.) As always, Emeraldine P.S. Hot lemonade, Elisabeth. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 19:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.173431.0> References: <<199810170428.AAA08646@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > I believe that artistic ability and selling are two entirely > different human skills. You know, I have a MA in math and I teach part time. I often hear from my students that mathematicians can't possibly be creative (they don't know math too well), so I haul in a piece of stained glass I designed, or a short story I had published... Kind of knocks their stereotypes all to bits. Everyone is a unique combination of abilities. Am I a great sales person? Nope, but I do okay. I know there are wonderfully creative people out there who are great at sales. Dorothy, who got her computer back from Emeraldine about 5 minutes ago. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 20:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Purgatory Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.185454.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >Will probably end up in Purgatory... Suzy< Join the rest of us. Must be quite a waiting list now. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 21:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Purgatory Date: Sun, 18 Oct 98 23:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: <199810190350.XAA28574@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >>Will probably end up in Purgatory... >Suzy< Christie wrote: >Join the rest of us. Must be quite a waiting list now. Couldn't think of better company. Elisabeth, will you be join us???? Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 22:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.203015.0> References: <<199810182117.RAA05624@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Anti-freeze is also DEADLY to dogs!! Supposedly they like it because it tastes sweet. Goldpaws Mom to 2 Golden Retrievers and a black cat suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > > > > > >>Anti-freeze? As in car radiators? The same stuff that makes me sick > >as a > >>dog just breathing the vapors when the heater core gets old and > >leaky? > > > >>Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are > >referring? > > Another important point, if cats should drink any of that stuff...they > die. > Suzy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 18 23:44:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Christie A. Wood" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: All Star to the rescue was Re: grinder lubricant Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct18.2043.0> References: <<1998Oct17.145034.0>> Precedence: bulk > > I've never put anything into my grinder's water resevoir > except water. Guess that means I'm in Purgatory. > > Christie A. Wood I personally am glad to hear it, as I never used anything but water and was sure that was what had killed the little wicked wizling. Maybe it really just died of old age. I did go for a bottle of coolant with my allstar! Guess that little twinge of guilt when the wizling died made me do it. It does say on the bottle that it is non toxic, btw. My All Star was waiting for me...Maybe I will get to use it tomorrow. I am back from my outside adventure. Had some gorgeous weather, then some rock and roll thunderstorms and tons of rain. I caught up on my sleep and am glad we have taken to camping in a pop up rather than tents. Glad to be dry again. (Ouachita National Forest in Southeast Oklahoma Elisabeth) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 02:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:22:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.102213.0> Precedence: bulk Actually, there is a new antifreeze that is safe for the environment. (Maybe people and pets too??) But as long as you or a pet didn't swallow it, regular old antifreeze should not be poisionious. I believe the fumes are unpleasant from a heater core, not toxic. Kathy maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > Surely there must be another type of antifreeze to which you are > referring? > > Mary Thought you all used that American traditional form of anti freeze in your grinder water.. what it called.. ah yes moonshine ??? Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 05:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:11:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.21135.0> Precedence: bulk Nelda et al Don't know the name of if but I have a pattern book with cute animals to represent the different occupations. If memory serves most are like suncatchers soldered to a frame. No...... the lawyer is not a shark, nor is the doctor a peacock. . I think the secretary is an ostrich, the dentist is an alligator, the carpenter is an elephant, and each has some symbol of the trade. If you are interested contact me off-line and I dig them out with more info and possibly a pattern. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 06:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:47:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct19.124724.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/19/98 9:09:47 AM, b.s.jones@bham.ac.uk wrote: >Thought you all used that American traditional form of anti freeze in >your grinder water.. >what it called.. ah yes moonshine ??? > >Brandon AAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKK! What, pollute perfectly good "rotgut firewater" with ground glass???????? That's substance abuse! =8-O Just for that, you're joining the rest of us in Purgatory, Brandon - and you've just been signed up to bring the drinks! Wouldn't that be a "hell" of a party, probably scare the pants off the devil! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 06:26:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Response to postings Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:43:07 -0400 Message-ID: <199810191247.IAA14816@out.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, As you all might have guessed, I'm a "newbee" at stained glass. First, to Michael, you don't grind much? I find that I have considerable grinding so my pieces fit snugly. How do you avoid this? Maybe I'm doing something wrong?! For Nelda, I'm sending a medical symbol to your e-mail that may be of use to you. I use it on my letterhead, ect. Hope it helps. Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 06:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Christie A. Wood'" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.4291.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, As a consumer, I would rather be told that the line has been discontinued indefinately, than to hold up my order or be in the lurch waiting and waiting for something I may never get. After she's out of your hair for a while, maybe you could come up with a viable substitute (your design and production method) that your customers would accept since they won't have seen the other product in a while. Beside, they know the quality of your other work and know that you stand behind your work. :) Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 06:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Purgatory Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199810191253.NAA07297@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh absolutely!!! I never was much good at playing the harp anyway!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" > >>Will probably end up in Purgatory... > >Suzy< > Christie wrote: > >Join the rest of us. Must be quite a waiting list now. > > Couldn't think of better company. Elisabeth, will you be join us???? > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 07:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!!?? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:04:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.5423.0> References: <<199810182117.RAA05624@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I have a lot of concerns about it being safe for us. Sure, we won't drink it but I can manage to throw around a bit of water while grinding. Is it bad for your skin? dangerous if you breathe it? We're talking long term daily exposure for some people here. We work with enough hazardous substances, don't think I would like to add another especially if plain old water does the job. Kris suzy@comcat.com wrote: > Another important point, if cats should drink any of that stuff...they > die. > Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 07:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.35230.0> Precedence: bulk Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 08:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Design" Subject: Design Idea's Please Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct18.82325.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk > > Here is Dorothy's query: > > If you have a chance, ask around for help for my newest challenge, > besides the antique car. I have to make 2 - 8" x 8'-0 stained glass > windows that fit over the top of a 4' x 8' picture window. > Suggestions? Vines/roses/??? Thanx. Dorothy > > Thanks everyone!! > > Pam *sm* > well, additional questions come to mind that have to be answered first: what does the window look out on? what does she like to look at? what colors is she intended to match, and are they inside or outside? which direction does this face? where in the country is she located (far north, desert, mountains, etc)? i can't think how anyone can answer this question for someone else without knowing and talking with the person(s) involved. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 09:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Re:" Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:37:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct18.64850.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk i believe grinder coolant is a very mild mixture of antifreeze, so a small amount in your grinder will do about the same thing. there are 2 kinds of antifreeze: one is for car radiators. this is fatal to small animals if ingested. it is not, to my knowledge, harmful upon skin contact. the second is used in RV/boat water lines. this is harmless when ingested, although it doesn't taste very good. the purpose of antifreeze is twofold: first is to lower the freezing point of the water. the second is to reduce the surface tension of water, so it will 'stick' better to the radiator core in your car. doing so it can absorb heat quicker, carrying it away from the parts of your engine to the radiator. i would guess that this is the effect that is looked for on your grinder head. there is a relatively new stuff available called 'Water Wetter' that can be added to your radiator in place of antifreeze (if you're in a place where it never freezes). this does the same job as the antifreeze in reducing surface tension. i use this in my racing car in place of antifreeze, as i'm in a place where it, in fact, doesn't freeze. it is about $6/quart, but is good for diluting about 1.5 gallons of water. i don't believe there is anything in antifreeze or grinder coolant that helps ground glass coagulate. interesting fact: antifreeze doesn't help your car overheat, contrary to popular belief. it, in fact, lowers the boiling point of water. if you're in a place it gets hot and your car overheats (pulling trailers, for example), you'd get better cooling by replacing your antifreeze/water mix with straight water, water wetter, and an anticorrosion agent for the summer. regards, charlie Phoenix, Az note: i am not affiliated with water wetter, just a satisfied user. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 09:42:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.64946.0> References: <<1998Oct18.13439.0>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Hi Sparks! I use a very little bit. Just about one or two capfuls of the size that tops the little bottles of patina and cutting oil. I keep the big bottle capped tightly and in a cupboard. I've had three dogs and none of them ever expressed any interest in the bottle even when it was out. And they've never tried to lick my grinder ;-} Nadine Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/18/98 4:09:54 AM, nadinesfolly@erols.com wrote: > > >Hi Russ! > > > >I use anti-freeze in my grinders. Have, for years. > >It works fine and is dirt cheap. One bottle lasts > >forever. . . . > > Nadine > > How much antifreeze do you use, and how do you dispose of your grinder sludge? > > One very good thing about using plain water is that you don't have to worry > about dumping your sludge in the garbage or hosing your grinder's reservoir > out under a bush in the back yard the way I do - I don't have running water in > the garage, and I try not to do any more cleanup in the house than I have to > because it makes my "significant mother" nervous. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 09:51:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="amount" Subject: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<"1998Oct19.35230.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk > Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need > for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, > so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? > > Suzanne i find it hard too, and have come up short or long on many occasions. i try to figure out how complicated the cuts are, the pieces in the glass i want to use (interesting shadings/patterns/swirls/etc). then i try to figure out how much i can screw up. i usually guess somewhere between 10 and 25% extra glass. if it's all straight and geometric, and the glass is uniform (a solid color with no pattern), then i go less. if it has lots of deep cuts, or i only want to use certain pieces of the sheet, then it goes higher. regards, charlie Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 10:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct19.22324.0> References: <<1998Oct17.6212.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christy: It's hard when an unreliable supplier doesn't support your needs and timelines. Some of the catalog orders I make ususally ship the items in stock and send a card that a particular item is not in stock but expected shortly and give the customer the choice of cancelling the order for the item or waiting until you have the item back in stock. Just a thought that might get you off the hook. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 10:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:46:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.74621.0> References: <<1998Oct19.35230.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need > for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, > so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when doing a box, measuring is the best way. as long as you know which direction the grain is going in. and for other things, it's just a guestimation. it's always better to have more. when i did the butterfly window, i under estimated how much glue chip i needed, by alot. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 11:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Suzanne" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 12:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <199810191633.MAA18852@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need >for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, >so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? > >Suzanne Hi Suzanne, Your method is my method! I noticed when I started buying patterns, they allowed for a 25% waste factor. Sometimes it's much more, sometimes much less. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 12:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ceramic kiln firing Date: Mon Oct 19 11:44:28 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.92028.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk those of you that do use or have used a ceramic kiln for glass (side fire only) i have five elements in the sides of the kiln, am only currently using one shelf at a time, about 2 inches from the bottom my stupid question is do you start with turning on the bottom element, top element, or middlet element, or what? hope this isn't to stupid a question, am new at the kiln stuff--after doing stained glass for nine years, seems strange to be so stupid about glass thanx in advance ttfn debbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 13:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.105528.0> Precedence: bulk >>Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need >>for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, >>so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? >> >>Suzanne > Hi Suzanne, I usually buy lots more than needed. Round trip it's 60 miles to the first glass store and 80 to the next (the first one is smaller and doesn't always have what I'm looking for). And if I really like the glass I buy twice what I need so I can use it on something else, then if it or any glass is on sale---I go nuts. Some colors are only run at certain times of the year, and you wouldn't want to run shy even a little, you can use up extra in stones & mosaics. Karen- (who never drives to the glass store without ¾ of a tank of gasoline) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 14:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981019154146.01e589b0@pop3.netins.net> References: <<1998Oct19.105528.0>> Precedence: bulk >smaller and doesn't always have what I'm looking for). And if I >really like the glass I buy twice what I need so I can use it on >something else, then if it or any glass is on sale---I go nuts. That's my philosophy as well on buying glass. It doesn't go bad, and can always be used for something else later, even if it's 10 years down the road. Also, the place I buy my glass from has a scrap area, and I have gotten lots of neat glass pieces from that area. Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 14:53:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Response to postings Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.124844.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Paula- Dani here answering your question to Michael who rarely touches a computer or grinder. The key to not needing a grinder is to learn to cut glass accurately. Any adjustments that need to be made are done by grozing, and your grozers should = also take care of sharp edges.... if not, another piece of glass scraped along the edge will take care of = those brittle little glass pokies. About the only time we use a grinder is to put a slight bevel on an unusually = thick piece of glass that won't fit into a lead channel otherwise. And on those rare occasions when we have to use some gawdforsaken = glass like ripple or drapery. But, = otherwise we do it the way glaziers have done it for a thousand years - without an electric grinder. Now, having said all that, let me add = this: If you have no intention of apprenticing at a professional = studio, or are working primarily with very small pieces, use your grinder and don't worry about it! Just use it with discretion because the things were never designed to replace cutting - grinder heads = wear out with overuse and are = pricey to replace. And, grinding takes time, so if you're trying to sell your wares, that step decreases your profit margin. Not to mention = another step - washing the glass = dust off before foiling so the foil = will stick. All IMPO of course. ;-) = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 15:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.11426.0> References: <<199810191633.MAA18852@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Hi Suzanne, Your method is my method! > I noticed when I started buying patterns, they allowed for a 25% waste > factor. > Sometimes it's much more, sometimes much less. > Suzy > I dont think I have ever bought a pattern that gave recommendations for the amount of glass. Alot of them do recommend what specific glass to use, but not how much of each...which is the opposite of what I want. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 17:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:19:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct19.231914.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/19/98 1:27:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edupjohn@slonet.org writes: << Some of the catalog orders I make ususally ship the items in stock and send a card that a particular item is not in stock but expected shortly and give the customer the choice of cancelling the order for the item or waiting until you have the item back in stock. >> The card that you get from mail order suppliers is called an FTC card (as in Federal Trade Commission). They send the card because it is required by law that if they can not fill an order, they must give you the option of waiting or getting a refund for the part not filled. Technically, they don't have to send the cards to people who buy with a credit card because they are not supposed to charge your credit card until they actually ship (again, this is the law). P.S. I work for a mail order company, can you tell? Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 17:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Math and design Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.143825.0> References: <<362AC25E.2CC0@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > Seems like the biggest problems (I have when trying to get a design to > turn out the way I *want* it to turn out) are due to my weak math > skills. It wastes alot of time. > > Tulsa Suzanne > Most of the math I use in my stained glass work is of the basic algebra/geometry variety (I think Emeradine is into non-Euclidean topology, though). It has to do with finding areas, dividing shapes evenly, etc.. This should make you all feel better. I CANNOT do arithmetic in my head. I have to write it down and see it. (Makes my husband laugh when we're at a craft fair and I'm figuring out the sales tax on a $67 purchase) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 17:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: wet water Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:44:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.94457.0> Precedence: bulk Back in the dark ages when I believed what the advertisers told me, I too used a commercial preparation. How long is 20% or 30% longer with a "lubricant" and how does one qualify that time frame. If you must wet water ask/try photo-flow...used the photography industry for developing prints and washing off negatives (or something like that).....May even be non-toxic...I DO NOT KNOW wether it can be a food/drink additive. When I sold Autoparts door to door (service stations) I was even able to "hustle" rust inhibitor in RUSTY cans....It is all in the selling, not the product that counts (ha ha). As cynical as ever, enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 18:38:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Doctors, Lawyers, et al Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:11:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.151130.0> Precedence: bulk Some of the members asked me to post the descriptions to the group. The pattern book I was referring to is "Professional Pals" by Randy DeMello, copyright 1993. The characters are cartoon type animals (suncatchers) set on top of a simple rectangular frame. The frame is open. The Doctor is a lion with a big mane in a lab coat and the big silver thing with a hole in it, hiding a huge hypodermic behind him. The Lawyer is a fox in a suit with a briefcase, big bushy tail and has his hand out. The Gardener is a rabbit with large floppy hat, apron, carrots in hand, and garden trowel. The Dentist is an alligator in a smock with toothbrush and big teeth. The Soldier is an eagle in uniform standing at attention saluting. The Cook is a big goose with mixing bowl, chef's floppy hat, mixing bowl and spoon The Secretary is a poodle with legs crossed on the edge of a desk with pink collar and steno book. And others, Policeman Librarian, Fireman Painter, Carpenter, Engineer, Beautician, Nurse, Mother. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 19:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: i2020.net!wickline From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" To: HILLHD1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR OUT OF PRINT BOOK Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct17.174428.0> References: <<1998Oct8.14219.0>> Organization: Personal Precedence: bulk Karlene- Since the thread this week seems to be procrastination, let me jump right on. I have the Home Sweet Home patterns. I have to apologize since I read your first post and was too lazy to go dig to see if it was the same one you needed. Let me know what you need. sorry to take so long . I guess my lame excuse is I've been so busy with my dance group I haven't even been up to my glass room. I'll try to do better. Becky HILLHD1@aol.com wrote: > HELP PLEASE I am looking for carolyn klye presents "Home Sweet Home" It has > a sunflower in it. a local glass shop made a panel & could not;would not share > it with me. So I'm searching for it; Anyone help me??? Hoping to make it for > a sunflower lover for xmas. Have searched a few suppliers already & > told its out of print. > Karlene (~.~) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 19:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Doctors, Lawyers, et al Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199810200157.SAA17973@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk By the way Patrick...what did the pattern for the stained glass artist look like? Was it an old english sheepdog in a tutu with a white coat and leather straps hanging from its mouth? C. >Some of the members asked me to post the descriptions to the group. > > >The pattern book I was referring to is "Professional Pals" by Randy DeMello, >copyright 1993. The characters are cartoon type animals (suncatchers) set on >top of a simple rectangular frame. The frame is open. > >The Doctor is a lion with a big mane in a lab coat and the big silver thing >with a hole in it, hiding a huge hypodermic behind him. > >The Lawyer is a fox in a suit with a briefcase, big bushy tail and has his >hand out. > >The Gardener is a rabbit with large floppy hat, apron, carrots in hand, and >garden trowel. > >The Dentist is an alligator in a smock with toothbrush and big teeth. > >The Soldier is an eagle in uniform standing at attention saluting. > >The Cook is a big goose with mixing bowl, chef's floppy hat, mixing bowl and >spoon > >The Secretary is a poodle with legs crossed on the edge of a desk with pink >collar and steno book. > >And others, Policeman Librarian, Fireman Painter, Carpenter, Engineer, >Beautician, Nurse, Mother. > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 20:10:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling your work Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:08:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.18854.0> References: <<1998Oct18.173431.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > You know, I have a MA in math and I teach part time. I often hear from > my students that mathematicians can't possibly be creative (they don't > know math too well)... That mathematics is not creative is one of the great myths of our times. Arithmetic is not creative, mathmatics is very creative. But like "art", math is not creative until you can master the "craft" of it and go on from there. Creative math gives us the art of the universe, not art for a museum. Please forgive the soapbox. This is one of several buttons that can be easily pushed. So, Dorothy, in the words of the street- "you go, girl!!!" Hilary P.S. Disclamer. My cousin teaches mathematics at Cornell. We have spent many an evening talking deep into the night about the creativity of math. I don't understand a word he says about the math itself. I recognize creativity when I see it flowing. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 20:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fantasy meets reality Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.184139.0> References: <<199810171937.PAA01218@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Hi, Please let me whine for a minute. I have run up against reality and just need to tell the story so that I can not give up on the project. Fantasy = I am Robert Oddy. Reality = I am not noway nowhere near Robert Oddy. A couple of years ago when we first were introduced to Robert's web site and then were priviledged to hear him speak at W-C, a cousin got married. Two truly unrelated events in the universe as a whole, but a grand collision in my small world. Full of the beauty, and more to the present point, the intricacy of his work, I went to the drawing board to design the panel that was to be their wedding present. And, oh, lord, how I did design. If there was a choice between straight and curved, I picked curved. If there was a choice between large sweeping curve and intricate small curve, I opted for the small one. If I had a choice between an inside curve or not...well, you know I picked the inside curve. The panel has now come to rest on my work table. I looked at the design before I started and still liked it, so I started cutting. I have cut more carefully than I have cut any other panel...and have done more grinding. My design doesn't begin to even vaguely get close to the intricacy of Robert's work, and still it feels incredibly complex...for my skills, anyway. I consider it a sucessful evening if I have managed to finish fitting in two or three pieces! The only sane decision I have made is to forget the plating ideas I had going on in my brain. If I can actually manage to finish this piece, I have promised myself that I will be more realistic in the future...until I get inspired again...sigh. Thanks for letting me whine. Back to the table... Yours deeply emeshed in reality, Hilary P.S. Robert Oddy is in no way personally responsible for my insanity. I managed to get this insane/stupid all on my own. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 20:46:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ceramic kiln firing Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.161942.0> Precedence: bulk Debbie, I have a top loading glass kiln with three controls and I turn them all on at once. This allows for even heating in the kiln. Molly -----Original Message----- From: daver!one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:56 PM Subject: ceramic kiln firing >those of you that do use or have used a ceramic kiln for glass (side fire only) > >i have five elements in the sides of the kiln, am only currently using one >shelf at a time, about 2 inches from the bottom > >my stupid question is do you start with turning on the bottom element, top >element, or middlet element, or what? > >hope this isn't to stupid a question, am new at the kiln stuff--after doing >stained glass for nine years, seems strange to be so stupid about glass > >thanx in advance >ttfn >debbie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 20:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: ceramic kiln firing Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct19.162128.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Molly Keys To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:19 PM Subject: Re: ceramic kiln firing >Debbie, > >I have a top loading glass kiln with three controls and I turn them all on >at once. This allows for even heating in the kiln. >Molly > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: daver!one.net!kleeman >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:56 PM >Subject: ceramic kiln firing > > >>those of you that do use or have used a ceramic kiln for glass (side fire >only) >> >>i have five elements in the sides of the kiln, am only currently using one >>shelf at a time, about 2 inches from the bottom >> >>my stupid question is do you start with turning on the bottom element, top >>element, or middlet element, or what? >> >>hope this isn't to stupid a question, am new at the kiln stuff--after doing >>stained glass for nine years, seems strange to be so stupid about glass >> >>thanx in advance >>ttfn >>debbie >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 19 22:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:57:02 -0700 Message-ID: <199810200357.UAA14433@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk So Hilary, here's another piece of reality. Very often folks come to my creativity workshops wanting to learn how to get creative...believing I'll wave a wand or something and they'll be able to summon up that creative ability and those great feelings at will. Then I cut in talking about persistence and practice...they're still looking for the magic wand (guess Patrick needed it for his ballet practice 'cuz I can't find it). Here's one of my current favorite quotes that may inspire you to persevere..."more than talent is needed to become a creative person...motivation, discipline and hard work are necessary to achieve that goal and artists in any medium find that to be so. Talent is 95 hard work." So, go girl...Whatever you learn from doing this piece will contribute to your skill as a glass artist...one more baby step towards becoming a Robert Oddy or an Elisabeth or a Dani or a .....need I go on? I have found this quote to be inspirational to me when I'm trying to fit some particularly difficult pieces together, particularly as I continue to improve my lead came skills. C. >Hi, > >Please let me whine for a minute. I have run up against reality and just >need to tell the story so that I can not give up on the project. > >Fantasy = I am Robert Oddy. >Reality = I am not noway nowhere near Robert Oddy. > >A couple of years ago when we first were introduced to Robert's web site >and then were priviledged to hear him speak at W-C, a cousin got >married. Two truly unrelated events in the universe as a whole, but a >grand collision in my small world. Full of the beauty, and more to the >present point, the intricacy of his work, I went to the drawing board to >design the panel that was to be their wedding present. And, oh, lord, >how I did design. If there was a choice between straight and curved, I >picked curved. If there was a choice between large sweeping curve and >intricate small curve, I opted for the small one. If I had a choice >between an inside curve or not...well, you know I picked the inside >curve. > >The panel has now come to rest on my work table. I looked at the design >before I started and still liked it, so I started cutting. I have cut >more carefully than I have cut any other panel...and have done more >grinding. My design doesn't begin to even vaguely get close to the >intricacy of Robert's work, and still it feels incredibly complex...for >my skills, anyway. I consider it a sucessful evening if I have managed >to finish fitting in two or three pieces! The only sane decision I have >made is to forget the plating ideas I had going on in my brain. > >If I can actually manage to finish this piece, I have promised myself >that I will be more realistic in the future...until I get inspired >again...sigh. > >Thanks for letting me whine. Back to the table... > >Yours deeply emeshed in reality, >Hilary > >P.S. Robert Oddy is in no way personally responsible for my insanity. I >managed to get this insane/stupid all on my own. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 02:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: wet water and grinder coolant Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:05:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.11545.0> Precedence: bulk >If you must wet water ask/try photo-flow...used the photography industry for >developing prints and washing off negatives (or something like that).....May >even be non-toxic...I DO NOT KNOW wether it can be a food/drink additive. Photo flo is just liquid soap that has a neutral PH ie not acid and not alkaline. Any liquid sopa will remove the surface tension so the water will work better. Most machine coolants that I know of are soluble oil that is soluble in water that is. Works great for any high speed cutter but the smell is horrible. Personally I have been using three cutters on over one thousand pieces of glass over the last six months or so and I have only worked on the first three sixteenths of an inch of each cutter and there is very little wear. Considering how cheap these cutters are even imported into the UK at about 25 dollars or more apiece i think that I am getting very good value for money so far without any additives in the water at all. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 04:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 03:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.24613.0> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. Hilary, I am very impressed both by your honesty and by your insight into your self. But, what most impresses me is that you have the drive to complete this project and it appears that you will still be happy with the results after dropping some of what you originally intended. That means that you haven't done too badly with the design and that your skills are up to the challenge. Who knows, as you get closer to the end, you may even decide to proceed with the original ideas. At any rate, you will have grown and learned. Thank you so much for sharing your feelings about this panel. You sound no different than some of the pros I've heard when they are sometimes feeling stressed. I think you can do it. Please show us a picture when you get done. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Hilary A. Bobker [SMTP:hilary@voicenet.com] If I can actually manage to finish this piece, I have promised myself that I will be more realistic in the future...until I get inspired again...sigh. Thanks for letting me whine. Back to the table... Yours deeply emeshed in reality, Hilary P.S. Robert Oddy is in no way personally responsible for my insanity. I managed to get this insane/stupid all on my own. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 04:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 03:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Selling your work Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:55:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.25537.0> Precedence: bulk Many years ago when my brain was still working, I read "Godel, Escher and Bach" a comparison of Godel (the mathematician) Escher (the artist) and Bach (the composer). Talk about creativity and math. Wow. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. Hilary said: P.S. Disclamer. My cousin teaches mathematics at Cornell. We have spent many an evening talking deep into the night about the creativity of math. I don't understand a word he says about the math itself. I recognize creativity when I see it flowing. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 06:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: "glass" Subject: Chiropractic Pattern Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.44439.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have or know where to get a good pattern for stained glass of a "Chiropractic Symbol"? Thanks in advance. Jewell jewell@mial1.ciwemb.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 07:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Chiropractic Pattern Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 09:22:57 -0400 Message-ID: <199810201326.JAA21429@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have or know where to get a good pattern for stained glass of a >"Chiropractic Symbol"? Thanks in advance. >Jewell >jewell@mial1.ciwemb.edu I had thought of making a miniature version of the spine, asking to borrow his plastic model. Never got around to it, wondering how difficult/ugly it would end up. I will ask him on my next visit (two weeks) if he has a symbol I can see, and will let you know. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 07:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: LOOKING FOR OUT OF PRINT BOOK Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:36:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct20.133640.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908890601_boundary Content-ID: <0_908890601@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII THANKS TO ALL WHO RESPONDED!! A super person has helped me out!! My mom will love her present! Started on it yesterday! thanks lc! Have a great day all! Karlene (~.~) --part0_908890601_boundary Content-ID: <0_908890601@inet_out.mail.i2020.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v50.22) with SMTP; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:34:57 -0400 Received: from mail.i2020.net (mail.i2020.net [204.77.129.19]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA05939 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i2020.net ([204.232.10.94]) by mail.i2020.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-55555U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA8080; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:02:01 -0400 Message-ID: <362947FA.6AD49E3A@i2020.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:44:28 -0400 From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" Reply-To: wickline@i2020.net Organization: Personal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: HILLHD1@aol.com CC: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR OUT OF PRINT BOOK References: <1998Oct8.14219.0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Karlene- Since the thread this week seems to be procrastination, let me jump right on. I have the Home Sweet Home patterns. I have to apologize since I read your first post and was too lazy to go dig to see if it was the same one you needed. Let me know what you need. sorry to take so long . I guess my lame excuse is I've been so busy with my dance group I haven't even been up to my glass room. I'll try to do better. Becky HILLHD1@aol.com wrote: > HELP PLEASE I am looking for carolyn klye presents "Home Sweet Home" It has > a sunflower in it. a local glass shop made a panel & could not;would not share > it with me. So I'm searching for it; Anyone help me??? Hoping to make it for > a sunflower lover for xmas. Have searched a few suppliers already & > told its out of print. > Karlene (~.~) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part0_908890601_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 07:49:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:25:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct20.142523.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/20/98 3:33:39 AM, hilary@voicenet.com wrote: >Fantasy = I am Robert Oddy. >Reality = I am not noway nowhere near Robert Oddy. IMHO, "Robert Oddy is Robert Oddy" at least in part because he went ahead and did what he saw in his mind's eye without 'benefit" of someone (including the little voice of the parent/teacher in his head) having told him it was difficult. He also knows himself well enough to know that he's the kind of person who does his best work when he jumps in the deep end and trusts his body to know what it's doing. I remember reading somewhere that he doesn't draw out his designs in detail or make patterns as such, just makes a sketch of the general idea and works it out as he goes. We all have a lot more "body knowledge" than we ever give ourselves credit for, but we've all been absorbing messages to the contrary ever since we were babies. We're supposed to think things through and let older, wiser people teach us the right knowledge at a prescribed pace, and early on a lot of us lose sight of our ability to be our own teachers. I've never been a teacher in the formal (classroom) sense, but I was a head teller and on-site teller trainer when I was in banking, and the biggest obstacle I found to people's learning to be good tellers was their inability to trust themselves to know what they were doing and to develop their body knowledge and internal awareness. It was really frustrating to me, since I'm the type that jumps in the deep end and doesn't understand or have a whole lot of patience with they who don't. But it made me a lot more aware of how my own process works, and I finally began to develop at least a little bit of the ability to help and encourage other people to learn to trust themselves. Maybe it's a "Zen thang," I don't know, but the principle is the same in any kind of work. "The Zone" is for real, and it's where creativity lives. When you learn to "get out of your own way," amazing things can happen. Keep on truckin', Hilary! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 08:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.53112.0> References: <<1998Oct20.142523.0>> Precedence: bulk > IMHO, "Robert Oddy is Robert Oddy" at least in part because he went >ahead and did what he saw in his mind's eye without 'benefit" of >someone (including the > little voice of the parent/teacher in his head) having told him it was >difficult. When I think back, I remember *not* being encouraged when I wanted to do things that I didnt *already* possess the skills to accomplish. As a parent, I think that is one of the most important things I can do for my kids, encourage them and teach them that they *can* do anything! That life is amazingly interesting, and there is no reason that they cant enjoy it, they just have to be willing to work for what they want to accomplish. When I bought this house, and turned the sunroom into a stained glass workshop, I told my mother that I was doing stained glass again, and expressed how happy I am, and how excited I am about what I am doing with glass. She has yet to even comment! Even at 40, encouragement is good to get! I was telling my husband the other night how fortunate I feel for having found the bungi list, and about people on the list. It means alot to me to have the opportunity to learn from all of you here. Also the encouragement offered here means alot to us all. The opportunity to converse with someone so much more experienced than myself is worth so much! If I met some of you face to face *first* there is no way I would have approched you with questions. Thank you, all of you, I appreciate you. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 09:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199810201502.IAA17798@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > From: Witchdoc3@aol.com > When > you learn to "get out of your own way," amazing things can happen. > > Keep on truckin', Hilary! > Sparks Sometimes creativity can be "sparked" (no pun intended) by something you'd never expect. When I developed a repetitive strain injury a few years ago I had to learn to use my left hand for many of the things I'd previously done right-handed. The more I learned to use my left hand the more "creative" ideas began to flow for me. My theory is that by using the "other" hand, I stimulated the "other" side of my brain. Wierd? Maybe, but it worked for me. =A7hiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 09:31:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.153.0> Precedence: bulk I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do so with pattern shears.. I don't think that the thickness of the foil needs to be compensated for...but I have noticed that as I get better at cutting and am able to grind right on the nose....that the whole thing seems to be slightly off...especially the smaller thin pieces with many curves... How much to you take off to compensate...? 1/32" Any good recomendations for shears? Thanks in advance... Daniel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 10:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Making a box Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.23616.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am thinking about making a box. It will be 9 inches long,4 inches wide and 2 inches deep. My question(now that we are talking about creative math)is: Is there a formula for solder lines to support the hinge? And do they have to match on the lid and the side. I mean, could you have 2 solder lines on the side and 4 on the lid? I plan to use the tube type hinge. I have never had much success with the door type hinges. Also when using a chain to stop the lid from falling all the way back. What chain is the best to use? I had been using chain from necklaces and they broke with the full weight of the lid. Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 10:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chiropractic Pattern Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.71247.0> References: <<199810201326.JAA21429@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > > Does anyone have or know where to get a good pattern for stained glass of a > >"Chiropractic Symbol"? Thanks in advance. > >Jewell > >jewell@mial1.ciwemb.edu > > I had thought of making a miniature version of the spine, asking to > borrow his plastic model. Never got around to it, wondering how > difficult/ugly it would end up. > > I will ask him on my next visit (two weeks) if he has a symbol I can see, > and will let you know. > > Suzy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if i had to guess, it would look like a white worm. like it looks in real life. unless of course it was 3-d, then who knows what it would look like. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 10:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:04:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.7453.0> References: <<1998Oct19.184139.0>> Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > Hi, > > Please let me whine for a minute. I have run up against reality and just > need to tell the story so that I can not give up on the project. > > Fantasy = I am Robert Oddy. > Reality = I am not noway nowhere near Robert Oddy. > > A couple of years ago when we first were introduced to Robert's web site > and then were priviledged to hear him speak at W-C, a cousin got > married. Two truly unrelated events in the universe as a whole, but a > grand collision in my small world. Full of the beauty, and more to the > present point, the intricacy of his work, I went to the drawing board to > design the panel that was to be their wedding present. And, oh, lord, > how I did design. If there was a choice between straight and curved, I > picked curved. If there was a choice between large sweeping curve and > intricate small curve, I opted for the small one. If I had a choice > between an inside curve or not...well, you know I picked the inside > curve. > > The panel has now come to rest on my work table. I looked at the design > before I started and still liked it, so I started cutting. I have cut > more carefully than I have cut any other panel...and have done more > grinding. My design doesn't begin to even vaguely get close to the > intricacy of Robert's work, and still it feels incredibly complex...for > my skills, anyway. I consider it a sucessful evening if I have managed > to finish fitting in two or three pieces! The only sane decision I have > made is to forget the plating ideas I had going on in my brain. > > If I can actually manage to finish this piece, I have promised myself > that I will be more realistic in the future...until I get inspired > again...sigh. > > Thanks for letting me whine. Back to the table... > > Yours deeply emeshed in reality, > Hilary > > P.S. Robert Oddy is in no way personally responsible for my insanity. I > managed to get this insane/stupid all on my own. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass this is how people are supposed to advance themselves. they do a challange project. make a panel with with a 100 pieces. then do 200 - 300 - 400 - etc. do it with a lot of curves, or make the best use of the glass. start with a little plating then move on to more, as you do more you can for-see what it will look like. 5 years ago i never thought i'd be building a couple of lamps. i did'nt do any custom mold designs. but that was the next step in evolution. some people have been doing this for 2-3 times longer then i have, and don't have work to compare. i'm not boasting, kay weiner, i worked for her for a little while, and bought a bunch of stuff from her recently; mentioned a second time, that my stuff was way better then anything she'd seen from people doing stained glass for 40+ years. i challange myself, trying to make things better the next time, improving my skills. those other people, may be able to make a neat looking project, but never tried to push their skills any. so their talent stayed in the books, and basic designs.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 11:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.8488.0> References: <<1998Oct19.184139.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Hey - you - Hilary long time no hear. Glad to see you're still around. DISCLAIMER - I'm gonna try not to step on anyones toes, so if you fit any of the below - I'm NOT being critical - it's just how *I* feel. FWIW - I (speaking only for me) find the greatest pleasure in doing what can't be done. Some people are happy to turn out a lot of projects, sometimes not what I (again speaking for me) find challenging. I do them also (candle holders/shelters were the holiday gift of choice last year, picture frames prolly for 1998). BUT I started a panel 18 mos. ago that was to be an anniversary gift for some special friends. They have a large picture window that demands a great panel. I designed a Victorian overkill - jewels, bevels,bevel cluster, textures, and acre of GNA, expensive wood frame. And lead. Ouch. I look at it sometimes. I work on it sometimes. I curse at it a lot. I may actually have it finished by their next anniversary. Will I do something like that again? Prolly. Will I curse a lot? Prolly. Do I think Mike Savad has a large vocabulary of purple words? Prolly. {8^) Do I put myself in the same class with Mike? NO, but I think I know what goes on in his head when he gets the idea for the fish lamp, or some of the other 3-D stuff he has done. Remember - to acheive, you have to strive and challenge yourself, otherwise it all becomes routine. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 11:14:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:54:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199810201650.JAA27285@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do > so with pattern shears.. > Daniel I find them more of a nuisance than anything. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 11:25:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: incredibly *nice* person...non glass Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810201653.JAA23682@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I would just like to let you all know how I feel about a lady who is incredible nice! We all know her as Lenore... And this sweet woman has just sent me a tee shirt pretty darn adorable as herself...alittle surgery gift she call it. Lenore you are one of the nicest people I know!!! I shall wear Tweety bird in full pride. Thank you again so much! Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 11:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 12:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199810201659.MAA13581@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Daniel writes: >I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do >so with pattern shears.. >I don't think that the thickness of the foil needs to be compensated >for...but I have noticed that as I >get better at cutting and am able to grind right on the nose....that the >whole thing seems to be slightly >off...especially the smaller thin pieces with many curves... > >How much to you take off to compensate...? 1/32" There is a relatively new pair out on the market called "James" shears. They're great - they have a short handle so it doesn't get in the way. Often I don't bother with pattern shears at all - just wing it. 1/32" sounds pretty good. You're right, sometimes it gets off - so it's back to the James shears for me! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 11:39:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: Leslye2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:05:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct20.17544.0> Precedence: bulk I got my Christmas present today. The Taurus II.2 Ring Saw. You know I had to open it up right away and read the info about it. I plan to use it for the first time this afternoon after I pick up the kids from school and put them in front of a video ;-) Any words of wisdom for one who has never used a saw? I will check my mail before I start--about 2:30. **I am so excited!!** Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 12:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: toby@northlights.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Gallery, revisited Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct20.93552.0> References: <<199810171937.PAA01218@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth, Toby> Hmmmm. Toby> DMG, huh..? Toby> Fine. I'll be delighted to delve, explore. participate, share 'n EVEN Toby> contribute,..... once you take me beyond the barriers of what is the Toby> "DMG" Barefoot Daniel, that is. Since there seems to be another Daniel I decided to go back to my other "nickname" which has been with me for years, dmg. It has been my username for the last 10 years. No, I am not hiding. For me dmg is as much of a name as Daniel. Harder to pronounce, I know :) I just moved to a new place, we have a cat. Now I run the hand routine --as you tought me-- every time I finished working; I also run my foot along the floor in search of slivers. Fortunately, we have hardwood and that makes life easy. As usual, I work barefoot. I guess it is a result of the fact that I like detail work in which most pieces are small. Had I worked with large panels the story might be other. I know, I am putting myself at risk, but I understand the risk and I am willing to take it. Not so with my eyes: I'd never do any soldering, cutting or grinding without gogles. No. dmg -- Daniel M. German "When you have removed the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle -> must be the truth." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 12:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.92326.0> References: <<1998Oct20.153.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk don't matter - foil or lead, you need an allowance. Basic advice don't scrimp and buy cheap ones- you'll hate them. Ther's a new set out that looks like a 'nibbler' -supposed to be better and doesn't shred the pattern material Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 12:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8BF9E2C8AED8B1CAD5830ACA" Subject: Re: Fantasy Meets Reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:30:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.43031.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk --------------8BF9E2C8AED8B1CAD5830ACA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hilary and all, This is not a slam against Robert, but who would want to be him. I'm not Hillary Clinton but who the heck wants to be her right now anyway! You have learned a great lesson here. Never to take on something in glass that you will beat yourself up for through the process. You are interfering with your own creativeness here. That is one thing I see that is hampering you maybe in the design and implementation process. Robert brings his "being" into his work as well as many, many people here do. He's a great artist but I bet you are too. It's about the mind just as much at the physical ability to do a project. It's the feel from your heart and soul that you put into a piece that makes the piece shine through. You don't have to be well known or the "best" to anyone but yourself, you see? Here's a couple of examples of sites that have "mind power" in the work that I admire. Dani Greer and Carol Swann My opinion on your design is fantastic! Good Job!! Go for the whole shebang!! You can do this!! And when it's finished you will be proud, learned along the way and persevered! Yeah, go girl!! See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ --------------8BF9E2C8AED8B1CAD5830ACA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hilary and all,

This is not a slam against Robert, but who would want to be him. I'm not Hillary Clinton but who the heck wants to be her right now anyway! You have learned a great lesson here. Never to take on something in glass that you will beat yourself up for through the process. You are interfering with your own creativeness here. That is one thing I see that is hampering you maybe in the design and implementation process.

Robert brings his "being" into his work as well as many, many people here do. He's a great artist but I bet you are too. It's about the mind just as much at the physical ability to do a project. It's the feel from your heart and soul that you put into a piece that makes the piece shine through. You don't have to be well known or the "best" to anyone but yourself, you see?

Here's a couple of examples of sites that have "mind power" in the work that I admire.

Dani Greer and Carol Swann

My opinion on your design is fantastic! Good Job!! Go for the whole shebang!! You can do this!! And when it's finished you will be proud, learned along the way and persevered! Yeah, go girl!!

See you,

Pam *sm*

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  --------------8BF9E2C8AED8B1CAD5830ACA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 12:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7F18C4C56BFD1ACF4562C700" Subject: Re:Fantasy Meets Reality-Clarification! Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.4494.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk --------------7F18C4C56BFD1ACF4562C700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I'm gonna hear back on this so I better clarify one sentence of mine! "You have learned a great lesson here. Never to take on something in glass that you will beat yourself up for through the process. You are interfering with your own creativeness here. That is one thing I see that is hampering you maybe in the design and implementation process." This statement was made regarding the fact if Hilary goes into a project thinking she is no Robert Oddy she will be disappointed the whole way through. I do take on projects that I do beat myself up on. That is how I learn. But I don't go into a project thinking "well I'm no Shirley Balloch" (my stone guru). It simply would not be a healthy way to approach a new project. Your artistic balance would be thrown by your own attitude. I'll shut up now *s* Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ --------------7F18C4C56BFD1ACF4562C700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I'm gonna hear back on this so I better clarify one sentence of mine!

"You have learned a great lesson here. Never to take on something in glass that you will beat yourself up for through the process. You are interfering with your own creativeness here. That is one thing I see that is hampering you maybe in the design and implementation process."

This statement was made regarding the fact if Hilary goes into a project thinking she is no Robert Oddy she will be disappointed the whole way through. I do take on projects that I do beat myself up on. That is how I learn. But I don't go into a project thinking "well I'm no Shirley Balloch" (my stone guru).

It simply would not be a healthy way to approach a new project. Your artistic balance would be thrown by your own attitude.

I'll shut up now *s*

Pam *sm*
 

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  --------------7F18C4C56BFD1ACF4562C700-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 12:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Daniel'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.11924.0> Precedence: bulk I really tried pattern shears but they are a pain in the ---to deal with especially with mylar patterns. I just cut the pattern out with regular sissors and draw on the glass around it. When I score, I make sure I score inside the line I drew and this seems to work so far. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [SMTP:doverbay@csi.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:05 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Need for pattern shears with foil? I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do so with pattern shears.. I don't think that the thickness of the foil needs to be compensated for...but I have noticed that as I get better at cutting and am able to grind right on the nose....that the whole thing seems to be slightly off...especially the smaller thin pieces with many curves... How much to you take off to compensate...? 1/32" Any good recomendations for shears? Thanks in advance... Daniel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 13:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:48:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.4482.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com wrote: > > i believe grinder coolant is a very mild mixture of antifreeze, so a small > amount in your grinder will do about the same thing. > > there are 2 kinds of antifreeze: one is for car radiators. this is fatal to > small animals if ingested. it is not, to my knowledge, harmful upon skin > contact. the second is used in RV/boat water lines. this is harmless when > ingested, although it doesn't taste very good. > > the purpose of antifreeze is twofold: first is to lower the freezing point of > the water. the second is to reduce the surface tension of water, so it will > 'stick' better to the radiator core in your car. doing so it can absorb heat > quicker, carrying it away from the parts of your engine to the radiator. i > would guess that this is the effect that is looked for on your grinder head. > > there is a relatively new stuff available called 'Water Wetter' that can be > added to your radiator in place of antifreeze (if you're in a place where it > never freezes). this does the same job as the antifreeze in reducing surface > tension. i use this in my racing car in place of antifreeze, as i'm in a place > where it, in fact, doesn't freeze. it is about $6/quart, but is good for > diluting about 1.5 gallons of water. > > i don't believe there is anything in antifreeze or grinder coolant that helps > ground glass coagulate. > > interesting fact: antifreeze doesn't help your car overheat, contrary to > popular belief. it, in fact, lowers the boiling point of water. if you're in a > place it gets hot and your car overheats (pulling trailers, for example), > you'd get better cooling by replacing your antifreeze/water mix with straight > water, water wetter, and an anticorrosion agent for the summer. > > regards, > charlie > Phoenix, Az > > note: i am not affiliated with water wetter, just a satisfied user. > there is a product put out by Shaklee called basic H which is an organic cleaner....its supposed to make water wetter too...anyone hear iof anyone using basic H??? As it is completely harmless and nontoxic. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 13:29:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bob the Dinosaur" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 15:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <199810201924.PAA28031@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dinosaur wrote: >don't matter - foil or lead, you need an allowance. Basic advice don't >scrimp and buy cheap ones- you'll hate them. >Ther's a new set out that looks like a 'nibbler' -supposed to be better >and doesn't shred the pattern material Those are the James ones I mentioned. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 13:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sinclair.net!cozmicench From: cozmicenchantments To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: messages Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:11:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.41158.0> Precedence: bulk All's so quiet- haven't seen any messages from you all- what's up? Peace Cozmic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 13:51:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Advice on an unreliable supplier, please Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.115356.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com >Maybe a win/win would be the artist licensing her creations to a production manufacurer. You would get product, she would get license fees based on volumes.< This is the line I am trying with her. She finally delivered last Sunday evening and I got 10 shipments out Monday morning, after working till 1:00am packaging. But I already have another order for these things. I offered her a royalty payment scheme whereby I pay her a royalty for her showing me her manufacturing techniques, and then she gets a percentage of every ornament I manufacture. She wanted to think about this arrangement, as she wasn't ready for me to offer this 'out' for her. I will be talking with her Wednesday about my offer. Thanks to one and all who have offered me excellent advice on a thorny situation. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 14:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:14:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199810202014.NAA16050@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I really tried pattern shears but they are a pain in the ---to deal with >especially with mylar patterns. I just cut the pattern out with regular >sissors and draw on the glass around it. When I score, I make sure I score >inside the line I drew and this seems to work so far. If you're using cathedral glass, you can cut using the English method...no patterns or shears required. Just lay the glass over the pattern, and cut along the tracing line. If it's for foil, cut just inside the midpoint of the line. If it's for lead, make sure your pattern line is the same as the lead heart, and then just trace inside the pattern line. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 14:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.125342.0> Precedence: bulk Several companies make foil and came sissors. Personally, I find them to be difficult to handle, especially on tight curves. The idea is that you cut right on the line and the thickness if the triple blade cuts enough off the pattern to compensate for the thickness of the foil or came. It works; but I don't use them myself. Experience will teach you to trim correctly...Tain't hard ! Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 1:01 PM Subject: Need for pattern shears with foil? >I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do >so with pattern shears.. >I don't think that the thickness of the foil needs to be compensated >for...but I have noticed that as I >get better at cutting and am able to grind right on the nose....that the >whole thing seems to be slightly >off...especially the smaller thin pieces with many curves... > >How much to you take off to compensate...? 1/32" > >Any good recomendations for shears? > > > >Thanks in advance... > >Daniel > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 14:58:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.131750.0> References: <<1998Oct20.153.0>> Precedence: bulk Daniel wrote: > > I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do > so with pattern shears.. > I don't think that the thickness of the foil needs to be compensated > for...but I have noticed that as I > get better at cutting and am able to grind right on the nose....that the > whole thing seems to be slightly > off...especially the smaller thin pieces with many curves... > > How much to you take off to compensate...? 1/32" > > Any good recomendations for shears? > > Thanks in advance... > > Daniel > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've always gone by eye. 1/64th would probably be more accurate. but i would only really concern yourself with it, if it's a box or a border. panels tend to have gaps here and there. as long as you work with in a frame, and on a pattern, you should be fine... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 15:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Making a box Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.132516.0> References: <<1998Oct20.23616.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I am thinking about making a box. It will be 9 inches long,4 inches > wide and 2 inches deep. > My question(now that we are talking about creative math)is: Is there a > formula for solder lines to support the hinge? And do they have to > match on the lid and the side. I mean, could you have 2 solder lines on > the side and 4 on the lid? > I plan to use the tube type hinge. I have never had much success with > the door type hinges. > Also when using a chain to stop the lid from falling all the way back. > What chain is the best to use? I had been using chain from necklaces > and they broke with the full weight of the lid. > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there is no formula that i use. i use what i know. the hing pin (inner tube), needs to solder into something. attaching it to the back looks the best. you did'nt mention if the lid is a 5 piece lid or a single piece. if it's a single piece, lay the glass down on the table, put the tooth picks in the holes, line up the outer tube with the lid. the outer tube should be about 3/32" to 1/8" shorter then the edge of the lid. this allows for the bend of the inner tube. then tack and solder on. if it's a 5 piece. it's a little harder. the outer tube is now depending on the edge of the face of the foil, instead of the end. it may not be as strong. the inner tube may have to attach to the sides of the box, (or you can do the corner to corner method to hide the hinge). doing it this way will allow you to cut the outer tube the same length as the lid, and the corner seams would hold the hinge in place. the chain used is called box chain. jewelery chain looks nice, but will break if a butterfly lands on it. your supplier will know what box chain is. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 15:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Leslye2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.13293.0> References: <<1998Oct20.17544.0>> Precedence: bulk Leslye2@aol.com wrote: > > I got my Christmas present today. The Taurus II.2 Ring Saw. You know I had to > open it up right away and read the info about it. I plan to use it for the > first time this afternoon after I pick up the kids from school and put them in > front of a video ;-) > > Any words of wisdom for one who has never used a saw? I will check my mail > before I start--about 2:30. **I am so excited!!** > > Leslye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass be sure to fill it with water, it will not run with out it. oh an mark on the outside of the plastic box where the water line is, it'll help in the future. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 15:54:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Leslye2@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.131225.0> Precedence: bulk Here's some advice for using your glass saw: Don't try to = make any cuts you wouldn't or couldn't make with a hand cutter or in a few years, you'll be seeing all kinds of stress fractures in your work. All = media have characteristics peculiar to each particular medium - have respect for = that and don't try to make glass do something it doesn't want to do. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 15:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:32:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.133229.0> References: <<1998Oct20.8488.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > Hey - you - Hilary long time no hear. Glad to see you're still around. > > DISCLAIMER - I'm gonna try not to step on anyones toes, so if you fit > any of the below - I'm NOT being critical - it's just how *I* feel. > > FWIW - I (speaking only for me) find the greatest pleasure in doing > what can't be done. Some people are happy to turn out a lot of projects, > sometimes not what I (again speaking for me) find challenging. I do them > also (candle holders/shelters were the holiday gift of choice last year, > picture frames prolly for 1998). BUT I started a panel 18 mos. ago that > was to be an anniversary gift for some special friends. They have a > large picture window that demands a great panel. I designed a Victorian > overkill - jewels, bevels,bevel cluster, textures, and acre of GNA, > expensive wood frame. And lead. Ouch. I look at it sometimes. I work on > it sometimes. I curse at it a lot. I may actually have it finished by > their next anniversary. > > Will I do something like that again? Prolly. Will I curse a lot? Prolly. > Do I think Mike Savad has a large vocabulary of purple words? > Prolly. {8^) > Do I put myself in the same class with Mike? NO, but I think I know what > goes on in his head when he gets the idea for the fish lamp, or some of > the other 3-D stuff he has done. > Remember - to acheive, you have to strive and challenge yourself, > otherwise it all becomes routine. > -- what's a purple word? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 16:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: cozmicenchantments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: messages Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.133330.0> References: <<1998Oct20.41158.0>> Precedence: bulk cozmicenchantments wrote: > > All's so quiet- haven't seen any messages from you all- what's up? > Peace > Cozmic > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's been lots and lots, maybe you were knocked off the list... i'm sending this to the group and you, if your still on the list you'll get 2 of these. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 16:16:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:30:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199810202137.WAA31794@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Quite frankly m'dear, You get what you put in!! Personally, I think you're a great asset to the Group, fun, positive and with a dash of daring! So if you like our company, it's 'cause you're a nice person to be with... So there! Elisabeth (who is grateful for encouragement even after 50!) 'n Toby in UK Suzanne in Tulsa wrote: > Even at 40, encouragement is > good to get! > > I was telling my husband the other night how fortunate I feel for having > found the bungi list, and about people on the list. It means alot to me > to have the opportunity to learn from all of you here. Also the > encouragement offered here means alot to us all. > > The opportunity to converse with someone so much more experienced than > myself is worth so much! If I met some of you face to face *first* > there is no way I would have approched you with questions. > > Thank you, all of you, I appreciate you. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 16:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810202140.OAA01716@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >It's alittle exacto knife for me! >Any overlaps are nicely corrected as are little amounts of too much foil:) >You know one side has more than the other cos we weren't paying attention and got abit lazy with foiling evenly on both sides:):) >Cindy >> >>> I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do >>> so with pattern shears.. >> >>> Daniel >> >>I find them more of a nuisance than anything. >> >>Shiela >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 16:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:08:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.13840.0> Precedence: bulk Let the saw do the cutting. Don't push the glass...feed it...Listen as you cut...If the pitch of the motor changes, you're pushing too hard...This will cause the gromets and the blade to wear and break. Good luck...You'll love it...Merry Christmas Arnold Schneider -----Original Message----- From: Leslye2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 3:04 PM Subject: New Toy!-glass saw >I got my Christmas present today. The Taurus II.2 Ring Saw. You know I had to >open it up right away and read the info about it. I plan to use it for the >first time this afternoon after I pick up the kids from school and put them in >front of a video ;-) > >Any words of wisdom for one who has never used a saw? I will check my mail >before I start--about 2:30. **I am so excited!!** > >Leslye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 16:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: glass saw? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct20.125957.0> Precedence: bulk I must admit that, having read several messages about glass saws, I still haven't the faintest clue what they would be used for (or should that be "for what they would be used"? No, that doesn't sound right either!). What can you do with a glass saw that you can't do with a glass cutter? Russ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 17:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:02:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.16255.0> Precedence: bulk I bought 'em, tried 'em, hate 'em, don't use 'em. Karen > > I find them more of a nuisance than anything. >Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 17:57:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 20:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: <199810210008.UAA23301@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I must admit that, having read several messages about glass saws, I >still haven't the faintest clue what they would be used for (or should >that be "for what they would be used"? No, that doesn't sound right >either!). What can you do with a glass saw that you can't do with >a glass cutter? > >Russ You can cut glass into shapes like jigsaw puzzles. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 18:58:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:15:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct21.11516.0> Precedence: bulk I saw, I bought, I tried pattern shears...I threw 'em away. My sanity is t= oo precious for a 1/32nd of a dad-gum inch!! =F4=BF=F4 Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 19:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: Leslye2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: explain math/creativity Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:28:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct21.12810.0> Precedence: bulk I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can anyone educate me? Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 19:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, giapet@softhouse.com Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:34:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199810210134.VAA13436@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I bought 'em, tried 'em, hate 'em, don't use 'em. Karen > I find them more of a nuisance than anything. >Shiela<< Would you believe that pattern shears are now being offered for use with stepping stone patterns that cut a 1/8" strip? It's true. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 20:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.182959.0> References: <<199810200357.UAA14433@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the encouragment!!!! What a wonderfully supportive group you guys are!!! If it looks even half-way decent, I will post a picture when I am finished, though at current rate of speed, that will be sometime next year! Thanks again. Back to the table. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 20:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.164225.0> Precedence: bulk It just depends on the pattern Suzanne.. A pattern with mostly straight cuts is easy to figgure since there wont be much waste...One with a lot of curves etc will waste 25% or more...I always figgure on breaking at least a few pieces on most panels...Just be sure to allow plenty for waste and breakage as when you go back to the store they may not have exactly the same glass you need.. This especially holds true if your using any transitional glass... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:35 AM Subject: amount of glass? >Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need >for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, >so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 20:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:02:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.19240.0> References: <<1998Oct21.12810.0>> Precedence: bulk Leslye2@aol.com wrote: > I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can > anyone educate me? > Leslye > ---- Arithmetic is just a part of math. I could go for several courses in graduate study without seeing a number. Math is puzzle solving, and takes not only logic but intuition and a knack of looking at information in creative ways. Occasionally math shows creativity in a way most people can see, even if they don't quite understand. Tiling in the paintings of Escher. The art that has grown out of studies iterating non-linear equations (fractals). (Look up Penrose tilings ... I sometimes think that some ot them would make wonderful stained glass patterns) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 20:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:30:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.12309.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, Well, I finally went out and got the glass, clock pieces and the right size glass bit. I got every thing all cut out and moved on to the drilling of the hole. I did everything just like you said. I marked the glass with masking tape, made a snake out of the clay putty and surrounded the hole, used water. I drilled just like you said. Then, when the hole was just about to the right size, the glass broke. So sad. I splurged for me and and bought a nice piece of Bullseye glass. This was going to be a very simple design yet elegant. The whole front of the clock was to be one piece of glass with a very nice clock part in the center. Well I will just have to see what I can make out of the broken pieces. Next time I practice a bit more and start with less expensive glass. So sad..... But at least I tried. any suggestions. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: "fibers" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Doctors & Lawyers Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:46:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.16460.0> Precedence: bulk You can get a lot of ideas for all sorts of stuff by perusing thru clipart discs and books... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: fibers To: glass@ bungie.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 1:10 PM Subject: Doctors & Lawyers >Anyone have any ideas for a stained glass object for a Doctor or Lawyer? >I've seen patterns books devoted to fishermen, golfers, and ball players >but something for the professional escapes me. >I'm not looking for a big project, just a small remembernce or stocking >stuffer. >TIA >Nelda > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Math and design Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.191413.0> References: <<199810200139.SAA13979@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > > Dorothy...what about a solar powered calculator? What, lose another calculator? What I really need is a blackboard, box of chalk and an eraser. Then I can do sales tax with no trouble. Do you think I can get people at craft fairs to sit at little desks while i write up their purchases? Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:23:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grinder lubricant Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.18120.0> References: <<1998Oct21.4482.0>> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > > Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com wrote: > > > > i believe grinder coolant is a very mild mixture of antifreeze, so a small > > amount in your grinder will do about the same thing. > > > > there are 2 kinds of antifreeze: one is for car radiators. this is fatal to > > small animals if ingested. it is not, to my knowledge, harmful upon skin > > contact. the second is used in RV/boat water lines. this is harmless when > > ingested, although it doesn't taste very good. > > > > the purpose of antifreeze is twofold: first is to lower the freezing point of > > the water. the second is to reduce the surface tension of water, so it will > > 'stick' better to the radiator core in your car. doing so it can absorb heat > > quicker, carrying it away from the parts of your engine to the radiator. i > > would guess that this is the effect that is looked for on your grinder head. > > > > there is a relatively new stuff available called 'Water Wetter' that can be > > added to your radiator in place of antifreeze (if you're in a place where it > > never freezes). this does the same job as the antifreeze in reducing surface > > tension. i use this in my racing car in place of antifreeze, as i'm in a place > > where it, in fact, doesn't freeze. it is about $6/quart, but is good for > > diluting about 1.5 gallons of water. > > > > i don't believe there is anything in antifreeze or grinder coolant that helps > > ground glass coagulate. > > > > interesting fact: antifreeze doesn't help your car overheat, contrary to > > popular belief. it, in fact, lowers the boiling point of water. if you're in a > > place it gets hot and your car overheats (pulling trailers, for example), > > you'd get better cooling by replacing your antifreeze/water mix with straight > > water, water wetter, and an anticorrosion agent for the summer. > > > > regards, > > charlie > > Phoenix, Az > > > > note: i am not affiliated with water wetter, just a satisfied user. > > > > there is a product put out by Shaklee called basic H which is an organic > cleaner....its supposed to make water wetter too...anyone hear iof > anyone using basic H??? As it is completely harmless and nontoxic. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have the stuff. it works pretty well. i've had some land on my tongue with no ill effects, except my tongue get's a little numb. but i could say the same thing about turpintine... kidding... basic H wil foam up in the water, and it will make the glass real slippery. which is something you don't want to do with sharp glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wet water Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.191856.0> Precedence: bulk ???? I'm way too tired... Maybe some of you put dehydrated water in your grinders... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.193637.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:mail@northlights.co.uk, INTERNET:mail@northlights.co.uk TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 10/20/98 10:08 PM RE: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Sender: glass@pop3.nildram.co.uk Received: from saturn.nildram.co.uk (saturn.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.22])= by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) with ESMTP id WAA20347 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT)= Received: from ppp46-223.dial.nildram.co.uk (ppp46-223.dial.nildram.co.uk= [195.112.46.223]) by saturn.nildram.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA09578 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:08:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199810210208.DAA09578@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Toby" To: "Michael J. Greer" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:53:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Reply-to: mail@northlights.co.uk Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1998Oct20.131225.0> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Dani, Right! and sensitive to GLASS - as always!!!! Better still. Just do not even use "the beasts" If and when you do, you just have not yet learnt the strengths, = qualities and limitations of glass.... These fancy glass-saws are a total illusion of = what all good stained glass is all about...... About "weaknesses" , = stresses, breaking-point and structure. Dani is absolutely RIGHT. You = may not see it today, but the chickens - sure as hell - will come = home to roost sooner rather than later.... = Glass-saws might be able to help execute "impossible cuts", but they = will never, ever give you the close feel for what glass is really all = about. You might "whizz out" fanciful cuts, but a year or so later = your fancy will be cracked and broken to bits, because you have not = got in touch with the material you have been using. You have learnt = nothing about the glass that you handled, nothing about its = structures and stresses, personality and "quirks". You think you have = conquered it through mechanical devices. = Believe me.... it'll will conquer YOU, through your haste and = impatience and throwing money at fanciful gizmos that claim to solve = ALL problems..... In old-age and well tested practices of what constitute CRAFT, there = just ain't no quick "fix-it-instantly" solution to a genuine = devotion and pride in the Old Crafts. That applies to stained = glass too.... A CRAFT is a hands on learned skill, not a mechanised Korean or = Taiwanese conveyor-belt merchandise and pursuit. =2E...or is it....? No criticism intended. Just the age-old question raised again..... DUCK???? Hey Dani, what are you doing here!? You're supposed to have a = dead-line by 7th December!!! = Take care Petal..... = There are some folks who might just possibly contact you off-group. Sei Brav!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: > Here's some advice for using > your glass saw: Don't try to =3D > = > make any cuts you wouldn't > or couldn't make with a hand > cutter or in a few years, you'll > be seeing all kinds of stress > fractures in your work. All =3D > = > media have characteristics > peculiar to each particular > medium - have respect for =3D > = > that and don't try to make glass > do something it doesn't want > to do. > = = ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm = ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 21:57:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum Water Glass/Kalahari Tightwave Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.16542.0> Precedence: bulk Its imported from Asia and Hollander carries it... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:01 AM Subject: Spectrum Water Glass/Kalahari Tightwave >Message text written by Byron Wells >>this new Kalahari Tightwave< > >Hi there. I don't know this type of glass. Who is its manufacturer? >Who are its distributors? > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 20 23:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jazzykid" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wet water Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.204749.0> Precedence: bulk Yep, usually make my own 1....alittle H in a ziplock bag 2. open carefully 3.KaBoom 4.Watch for the Big Splash LOL Jill Medlyn jazzykid@tir.com Lake Orion, Michigan (Elisabeth..the state that is surrounded by lakes and looks like a mitten.) -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 PM Subject: Wet water >???? >I'm way too tired... >Maybe some of you put dehydrated water in your grinders... > >Dorothy K > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 00:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Byron Wells , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hollander glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct20.20521.0> References: <<1998Oct20.16542.0>> Precedence: bulk > Its imported from Asia and Hollander carries it... > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks Do you know how to get in touch with Hollander? Are we talking the same Hollander Glass, Inc.from Stanton California? As in Gary Hollander? I feel like he is a long lost friend! I have been meaning to ask you all if any one knew about them, if they were still around. There are some patterns I have wanted that they published in 1978. Ok, remember I didnt do any glass stuff for a long time!~ I dont know if the addresses I have are any good any more, and also the prices I have are surely long outdated. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 02:05:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: Hollander glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:32:15, -0500 Message-ID: <199810210832.EAA11066@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Tulsa Suzanne writes in part: >>Do you know how to get in touch with Hollander? Are we talking the same Hollander Glass, Inc. from Stanton California?<< Hollander Glass, Stanton, CA, (714 761-5501) There are now spin off Hollanders in Glendale, NY, Toronto and Chicago. Perhaps more. They still have that pile of full size patterns laying around priced from 95¢ to $9.95. Also have them collected in a book for $2.30. For good service ask for Bruce. Gary is around at times. ßob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 02:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Subject: Hollander glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:16:22, -0500 Message-ID: <199810210816.EAA10552@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Do you know how to get in touch with Hollander? Are we talking the same Hollander Glass, Inc.from Stanton California?<<>>snip<<>> ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 03:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:14:07 -0400 Message-ID: <19981021101000.MDEM24049@vic> Precedence: bulk Math & Creativity are inseparable. IMHO there can not be one without the other. Math is the difference between: Tyra Banks and Roseanne. A building or bridge standing or not. A square and an octagon. Having enough glass or not. Using Great glass or not. Cutting glass right or not. Using enough reinforcement or not. Having enough room or not. Having enough mass or not. Having enough strength or not. Being pleasing to the eye or not. On and on to the most important of all: Is there profit or not! Ciao Vic ---------- > From: Leslye2@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: explain math/creativity > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:28 PM > > I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can > anyone educate me? > Leslye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 04:11:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Hollander glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.23834.0> Precedence: bulk Got curious and searched. Found this link from the Spectrum site: http://www.hollanderglass.com/west/whome.html Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 05:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Vic LaGreca , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.3368.0> References: <<19981021101000.MDEM24049@vic>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk ok, but who is Roseanne? Carol T Vic LaGreca wrote: > Math & Creativity are inseparable. > > IMHO there can not be one without the other. > > Math is the difference between: > > Tyra Banks and Roseanne. > > A building or bridge standing or not. > > A square and an octagon. > > Having enough glass or not. > > Using Great glass or not. > > Cutting glass right or not. > > Using enough reinforcement or not. > > Having enough room or not. > > Having enough mass or not. > > Having enough strength or not. > > Being pleasing to the eye or not. > > On and on to the most important of all: > > Is there profit or not! > > Ciao > > Vic > > ---------- > > From: Leslye2@aol.com > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: explain math/creativity > > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:28 PM > > > > I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). > Can > > anyone educate me? > > Leslye > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 06:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------261E56D277E18558DCA9EE92" Subject: Big thank you! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <199810211149.HAA25583@out.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk --------------261E56D277E18558DCA9EE92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I just wanted to express my thanks to you all. I paid $50 for two lessons. I had wanted to try my hand at stained glass for some time. Life circumstances finally allowed the time I felt I needed to pursue the art. I have only been on bungi a few short weeks, but have learned more from all of you than I did at my "lessons". Should anyone ever approach me regarding getting started in glass, bungi is the first place I will send them! I'm very new at glass. I have made several windows, of my own design, that have meaning for me. Recently, I've been approached to make windows for acquaintances. I've been reluctant to commit. Guess I'm not confident enough yet with my work. My question is, if I ever get to the point of selling, what is the rule of thumb for pricing? I have no clue of what to charge? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again for everything! Paula --------------261E56D277E18558DCA9EE92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone,
 I just wanted to express my thanks to you all. I paid $50 for two lessons. I had wanted to try my hand at stained glass for some time. Life circumstances finally allowed the time I felt I needed to pursue the art. I have only been on bungi a few short weeks, but have learned more from all of you than I did at my "lessons". Should anyone ever approach me regarding getting started in glass, bungi is the first place I will send them!
 I'm very new at glass. I have made several windows, of my own design, that have meaning for me. Recently, I've been approached to make windows for acquaintances. I've been reluctant to commit. Guess I'm not confident enough yet with my work. My question is, if I ever get to the point of selling,  what is the rule of thumb for pricing? I have no clue of what to charge? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks again for everything!
Paula --------------261E56D277E18558DCA9EE92-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 06:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 05:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "All" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.42754.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you Dani and Elisabeth! And the word "Toy" in the subject heading is quite appropriate! If you think about the mathematical angles of some of the cuts and formulate the stress factor you will see that there is no way these pieces will withstand the gravity force. my best, pj www.waterw.com/~artglass >>Dani, >Right! and sensitive to GLASS - as always!!!! > >Better still. Just do not even use "the beasts" >If and when you do, you just have not yet learnt the strengths, = > >qualities and limitations of glass.... >These fancy glass-saws are a total illusion of = > >what all good stained glass is all about...... About "weaknesses" , = > >stresses, breaking-point and structure. Dani is absolutely RIGHT. You = > >may not see it today, but the chickens - sure as hell - will come = > >home to roost sooner rather than later.... = > >Glass-saws might be able to help execute "impossible cuts", but they = > >will never, ever give you the close feel for what glass is really all = > >about. You might "whizz out" fanciful cuts, but a year or so later = > >your fancy will be cracked and broken to bits, because you have not = > >got in touch with the material you have been using. You have learnt = > >nothing about the glass that you handled, nothing about its = > >structures and stresses, personality and "quirks". You think you have = > >conquered it through mechanical devices. = > >Believe me.... it'll will conquer YOU, through your haste and = > >impatience and throwing money at fanciful gizmos that claim to solve = > >ALL problems..... > >In old-age and well tested practices of what constitute CRAFT, there = > >just ain't no quick "fix-it-instantly" solution to a genuine = > >devotion and pride in the Old Crafts. That applies to stained = > >glass too.... >A CRAFT is a hands on learned skill, not a mechanised Korean or = > >Taiwanese conveyor-belt merchandise and pursuit. >=2E...or is it....? >No criticism intended. >Just the age-old question raised again..... DUCK???? > > Hey Dani, what are you doing here!? You're supposed to have a = > >dead-line by 7th December!!! = > >Take care Petal..... = > >There are some folks who might just possibly contact you off-group. > Sei Brav!! >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Dani wrote: >> Here's some advice for using >> your glass saw: Don't try to =3D >> = > >> make any cuts you wouldn't >> or couldn't make with a hand >> cutter or in a few years, you'll >> be seeing all kinds of stress >> fractures in your work. All =3D >> = > >> media have characteristics >> peculiar to each particular >> medium - have respect for =3D >> = > >> that and don't try to make glass >> do something it doesn't want >> to do. >> = > > = > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm = > >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 06:55:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hollander glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:17:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.31742.0> References: <<1998Oct21.23834.0>> Precedence: bulk Yea! Thanks so much Linda. I had done searches...but didnt think to search Spectrums site! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 07:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 98 09:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <199810211315.JAA11219@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >ok, but who is Roseanne? >Carol T And who is Tyra Banks?? :) Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 07:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.53947.0> References: <<1998Oct21.12810.0>> Precedence: bulk Leslye2@aol.com wrote: > > I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can > anyone educate me? > Leslye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for me i guess geometry is a more accurate term. there are some pretty neat shapes that can be made from that kind of math. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 08:11:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.61025.0> Precedence: bulk does anyone know how much that Job Glass costs? it looks like plaid, or a cloth like material. it's made up of overlapping stringers. it's pretty new, but looks kind of neat. though i never saw a price anywhere. i think they said it's made up from spectrum glass. though i don't know if spectrum makes it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 08:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.65211.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Russ: >I must admit that, having read several messages about glass saws, I still haven't the faintest clue what they would be used for (or should = that be "for what they would be used"? No, that doesn't sound right either!). What can you do with a glass saw that you can't do with a glass cutter?< I needed to cut out single-piece carosel horses (no larger than 3" long x 2" tall). Could not have done it without the ring saw. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 08:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Doug Parrott Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:42:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.54231.0> References: <<1998Oct20.12309.0>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > Elisabeth, > > Well, I finally went out and got the glass, clock pieces and the right size > glass bit. I got every thing all cut out and moved on to the drilling of > the hole. I did everything just like you said. I marked the glass with > masking tape, made a snake out of the clay putty and surrounded the hole, > used water. I drilled just like you said. Then, when the hole was just > about to the right size, the glass broke. So sad. I splurged for me and > and bought a nice piece of Bullseye glass. This was going to be a very > simple design yet elegant. The whole front of the clock was to be one piece > of glass with a very nice clock part in the center. Well I will just have > to see what I can make out of the broken pieces. Next time I practice a > bit more and start with less expensive glass. So sad..... But at least I > tried. any suggestions. > > Cheryl > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the reason why it probably broke was becasuse it hit the back. just like when you drill in wood or plastic, the back splinters. the glass shattered. i would drill half way, then flip over the glass and repeat. you the bit probably caught in the glass causing it to crack. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 09:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fantasy meets reality Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:24 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199810211522.KAA14594@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk > Do I think Mike Savad has a large vocabulary of purple words? > Prolly. {8^) what's a purple word? ---Mike Savad Dino Bob: You may have thought wrong on this one :- ) Somehow I suspect that although Mike knows some, he may not use them.... Kaye Kaye Sodt Graduate Registrar The Graduate School Northwestern University 710 N. Lake Shore Dr. #520 Chicago, IL 60611 312/503-8900 (Fax 503-2234) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 09:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: explain math/creativity Date: Wed Oct 21 08:23:07 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.5597.0> Precedence: bulk 2 + 2 = 4 is arithmetic. While it is part of math, it is not part of the elegant or creative parts. Euclidean geometry is most peoples introduction to creative math. (Not to be confused with creative accounting.) Unfortunately it is also as far as most people get. To learn to appreciate its beauty you need to study more advanced math. It is the same as learning art. Basic color matching is akin to basic math. You can appreciate a nice painting because the colors are nice and the picture is pleasing. To begin to understand it you also need to look at textures, perspectives, shadings...; you need to see it under proper lighting; (so far a lot like stained glass isn't it). To fully understand it you also need to understand the history of the image, the artist and the time. Would "the Last Supper", the Sistine Chapel or even "The Death of Socrates" be as meaningful if we didn't know the story behind them. There was a sketch titled "Ghetto Child at Play" by an unknown artist. It was part of a traveling Holocaust exhibit. Most people could not look at it too long. The artist had combined a child playing with the horrific background of the Ludtz Ghetto. A friend and I had been staring at it and discussing it for 5 minutes when we were approached by one of the exhibit organizers. She told us this was one of seven sketches of Ghetto life by the same artist. The other six were more moving and even more upsetting to the public. "Ghetto Child" was joining them as too upsetting at the next stop. It was only because the three of us knew something of the its history that we could see beyond the horror to the hope and beauty the artist intended. I am getting off my soapbox now. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Leslye2@aol.com [mailto:Leslye2@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:28 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: explain math/creativity I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can anyone educate me? Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 09:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Chiropractic symbols...? I got em.... Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:31:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.13126.0> Precedence: bulk Someone was looking for some chiropractic symbols...I have a spine...... and a clipart of a chiropractor-patient with spine pic in the background... Let me know your email address privately and I will send them to ya....:) Daniel Apparently I have made another Daniel change his name...cause I was asking such stupid questions he wanted to distance himself from me...sigh. Sorry about that... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 10:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Not glass, but math Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:40:22 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199810211539.KAA27500@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > >snip> Dorothy...what about a solar powered calculator? What, lose another calculator? Dorothy-- I could lend you my husband. He has the infuriating ability to calculate sales tax in his head faster than the teeny-bopper clerks can find it on their little cards. (I, on the other hand, can't count past 10 without taking off my shoes.) I do get a kick, however, at watching the faces of said clerks when I give them my money. They tell me how much, I give them an assortment of bills and change. At first their faces register puzzlement, then I see the light bulb come on as they enter my amount in the register and realize the change is a relatively round number. Duh! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 10:15:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:35:25 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199810211634.LAA13794@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I don't have a saw, but I recently had a situation where I considered using the one at my local studio. Had a piece of glass just barely large enough for the pieces I wanted to get from it. To use the "best" parts of the glass, placement of my pattern pieces were such that it would be risky (difficult cuts) to separate them. Although I ultimately used a different glass, I considered using the glass saw just to separate the pattern pieces and (hopefully) maximize the useable areas of glass. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 10:39:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Fantasy meets reality Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:26:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199810211633.RAA31389@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ayh, my Friend, As someone said to me a while ago.... I don't mind growing old, but I REFUSE to grow up!! Sounds just like me... ;-> ... Imp.... ME??? Nah, just a li'lle 'ole lady... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Elisabeth > > The outside may be over 50, but I bet the inside is still 16. > Complete with braids and an impish smile that charms man and beast. > > The over 40 Vic > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 11:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Color Test Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.3195.0> References: <<34FC5AAB.6D46@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > > Some thing my brother sent me, thought you might enjoy it. > >Thought it would go with the bungi thread on how color affects our lives. Hope this remails OK Shirley B > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: colortst.exe > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: base64 -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 11:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Not glass, but math Date: Wed Oct 21 10:26:06 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.826.0> Precedence: bulk One of my favorite pet peeves I know I'm dating myself but remember when cashiers could make change without the cash register prompting them? Last month a cashier range up a charge instead of cash and needed a calculator to give me the right change. The month before I received six dimes and nine pennies in change. The cashier had trouble understanding my request for two quarters and a nickel for 55 cents. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:40 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Not glass, but math Carol Swann wrote: > >snip> Dorothy...what about a solar powered calculator? What, lose another calculator? Dorothy-- I could lend you my husband. He has the infuriating ability to calculate sales tax in his head faster than the teeny-bopper clerks can find it on their little cards. (I, on the other hand, can't count past 10 without taking off my shoes.) I do get a kick, however, at watching the faces of said clerks when I give them my money. They tell me how much, I give them an assortment of bills and change. At first their faces register puzzlement, then I see the light bulb come on as they enter my amount in the register and realize the change is a relatively round number. Duh! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 11:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ibm.net!merri.wells From: "Merri Wells" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:11:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.41134.0> References: <<1998Oct21.65211.0>> Precedence: bulk Are you saying you cut out the actual shape of a horse? What about the comments made recently that suggest the glass can't take the stress when you cut in too deeply, intricately, etc.? Is there something I'm not understanding? Thanks, Merri > I needed to cut out single-piece carosel horses (no larger than > 3" long x 2" tall). Could not have done it without the ring saw. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 12:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.33239.0> Precedence: bulk Carol & Elisabeth how right you are. You know I tried with some less expensive glass and no problem. Switched back to the Bullseye piece and everytime it cracked. I am going to keep practicing though. I will do what you say Elisabeth and stop and let the glass cool down a bit. How long does it usually take to drill a hole. This was taking about 10 minutes. Seems like a long time. I bought a tile & glass bit. it is very strange looking the tip has a flat arrowhead shape. Does that sound like the right type of tip to be using. Well in addition to my sad clock episode I also had a little problem with a fountain stepping stone what I was making. The stone has copper tubing in it and then it will be propped up in a bowl. To create a space for the water to come out, I put in a piece of wood. The tubing buts up against the wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. I was able to salvage almost all of the glass. it is soaking now to get the concrete off. Isn't fun learning lessons though our failures. I swear that is the only way I learn any more. Help!!!!!!! Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: Doug Parrott Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:16 PM Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes >Hi Cheryl...long time no hear from you...sorry to hear that your glass >broke...each kind of glass will react differently to being drilled. It's >always a good idea to buy enough for 2 faces, just in case...Murphy >strikes...drilling in glass is NEVER foolproof no matter how many times you >do it. > >C. > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 14:17:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:20:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.11205.0> Precedence: bulk If those were foiled and soldered carousel horses, Christie, sounds like a = potentially great repair job down the road! If they were fused, disregard the saw = comments... that's a whole = different ballgame. Speaking of stress fractures, Julie Sloan addresses the issue very well in her book "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" on pages 84 - 87 including photos = of stress fractures in glass pieces cut with deep inside curves. It's a good thing to keep in mind when you're using that saw - does glass WANT to be cut that way? Am I going to have an unhappy customer on my hands in five years? And, even more importantly, am I honoring the medium? Stained glass has a = certain characteristic "look" because through the ages, good designers not only pushed the medium, but paradoxically, understood and = respected its limitations. There = is a balance in there that every good artist appreciates. Gads, it's tough to be a good lurker!! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 14:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Color Test Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:03:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.11351.0> References: <<1998Oct21.3195.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk If this was a binary file (which I assume by the .exe. extension), PLEASE do not send this type of attachment to the general populace. Ask who wants it, and send it to them. Binary attachment sent to mailing lists oft wreak havoc. Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > > > > Some thing my brother sent me, thought you might enjoy it. > > >Thought it would go with the bungi thread on how color affects our lives. > Hope this remails OK > Shirley B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: colortst.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > > Encoding: base64 > > -- > xŸ>"3 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 14:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Not glass, but math Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.115417.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, I know what you mean. Last time I did a show people remarked that = noone counts their change back to them like I was doing. Just a habit, = at my husband's business we NEVER punch in the amount of money someone = gave us & then punch another button to tell us how much change to give = them back.=20 Karen K. =20 = >One of my = favorite pet peeves=20 > >I know I'm dating myself but remember when cashiers could make change >without the cash register prompting them? >Last month a cashier range up a charge instead of cash and needed a >calculator to give me the right change. >The month before I received six dimes and nine pennies in change. The >cashier had trouble understanding my request for two quarters and a >nickel for 55 cents. > >Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:40 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Not glass, but math > > > Carol Swann wrote: > > > > >snip> Dorothy...what about a solar powered calculator? > > What, lose another calculator? =20 > > Dorothy-- > > I could lend you my husband. He has the infuriating >ability to=20 > calculate sales tax in his head faster than the >teeny-bopper clerks=20 > can find it on their little cards. (I, on the other >hand, can't count=20 > past 10 without taking off my shoes.) > > I do get a kick, however, at watching the faces of said >clerks when=20 > I give them my money. They tell me how much, I give >them an=20 > assortment of bills and change. At first their faces >register=20 > puzzlement, then I see the light bulb come on as they >enter my=20 > amount in the register and realize the change is a >relatively round=20 > number. Duh! > > Kaye=20 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: >glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 14:45:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: New Toy!-glass saw Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.124033.0> Precedence: bulk The saw doesn't stress the glass - the shape of the cut and what it's up against creates the stress = fractures... and, of course, settling of the window. For example, glass does not like having a deep curve cut into it - even if you get good at breaking out deep = curves, the glass still doesn't LIKE being manipulated like that. It's just the nature of the medium. It would be worthwhile to get the book 'Conservation of Stained Glass in America" by Julie Sloan... on page 86 there is a good example of a leaded = windows exhibiting stress fractures on deep inside curves. Hope that helps. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 15:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fantasy Meets Reality-Boldness Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.6475.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hilary, After reading my post from yesterday I will apologize for coming across as maybe too bold. I reminded myself that Hilary I believe you are new, a few weeks into the group. I remember when I first joined bungi how I was sometimes shocked at how bold and brutally honest the people here are at times. At first I really was scared of certain attitudes. But as I have come to know the people here at bungi I realize that their is never at any time any harm meant by a post. If anyone wants to do harm it will be by private e-mail to you, hehe! Yes brutal honesty is what you can expect, good advice, help, comfort and more here from great people really. (as Howard rolls eyes for this non glass post *s*) So if I came across as being too forward then I am sorry and to the other new people that have joined, don't be afraid of our certain boldness at times. It does make for an interesting thread in my opinion. P.S. Glad to read something from P.J. Friend, was wondering where you were!! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 15:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ceramic fiberboard Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199810212010.QAA16493@detroit.freenet.org> Precedence: bulk Found a book recently on glass slumping which mentions the use of ceramic fiberboard. Never heard of it myself, checked an old Hoy's catalogue, and called around locally with no success. Is it something new or am I not describing it properly. Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 15:33:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Not glass, but math Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.125646.0> Precedence: bulk My favorite thing is to confuse people under thirty by counting change back UP to the dollar amount they originally gave me! Blows them totally away!! ;-) Come to think of it, it even confuses me on occasion! P.S. I sent this to bungi, Vic, because my reply kept getting kicked back using your addy. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 15:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:23:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.132359.0> Precedence: bulk Cheryl, The bit you describe doesn't sound like the best one to use. The diamond coated bit should look something like the head of a finishing nail...[thickness depending on the size you buy.] The pointed diamond bits are used for engraving. Someone responded that you should drill part way through on one side, turn it over and finish the hole on the other side....He [or she] is right. It cuts back on the stress caused by breaking through the glass. Again, water on the drilled surface to lube the drill and keep the glass cool. Don't mean to sound like a know-it-all. I ruined a pile of expensive glass before I learned. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 3:32 PM Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes >Carol & Elisabeth > >how right you are. You know I tried with some less expensive glass and no >problem. Switched back to the Bullseye piece and everytime it cracked. I >am going to keep practicing though. I will do what you say Elisabeth and >stop and let the glass cool down a bit. How long does it usually take to >drill a hole. This was taking about 10 minutes. Seems like a long time. I >bought a tile & glass bit. it is very strange looking the tip has a flat >arrowhead shape. Does that sound like the right type of tip to be using. > >Well in addition to my sad clock episode I also had a little problem with a >fountain stepping stone what I was making. The stone has copper tubing in >it and then it will be propped up in a bowl. To create a space for the >water to come out, I put in a piece of wood. The tubing buts up against the >wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to >get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the >retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it >and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. I was able to >salvage almost all of the glass. it is soaking now to get the concrete off. > >Isn't fun learning lessons though our failures. I swear that is the only >way I learn any more. Help!!!!!!! > >Cheryl >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol Swann >To: Doug Parrott >Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:16 PM >Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes > > >>Hi Cheryl...long time no hear from you...sorry to hear that your glass >>broke...each kind of glass will react differently to being drilled. It's >>always a good idea to buy enough for 2 faces, just in case...Murphy >>strikes...drilling in glass is NEVER foolproof no matter how many times you >>do it. >> >>C. >> >> >>Carol Swann >>Synergy Glass & Creative >>http://www.igga.org/synergy >>seaspray@island.net >> > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 15:48:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:43:00 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct21.21430.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/20/98 4:32:28 PM, doverbay@csi.com wrote: >I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who foil do >so with pattern shears.. Yup. Don't leave home without 'em! (Literally, in my case - I keep all my glassworking tools in one of those big white plastic buckets with the skillion-pocket insert, and haul the bucket back and forth from my home shop to Christie's and wherever.) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 16:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: esavad@home.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:09:32 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct21.22932.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike , Not sure of the cost but I know that it has to be cut with a saw. Have seen it in catalogs and ads, but haven't really paid attention to cost because it doesn't sound like something that I would use,because of the saw thing.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 16:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.142630.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Merri Wells" >Are you saying you cut out the actual shape of a horse? What about the comments made recently that suggest the glass can't take the stress when you cut in too deeply, intricately, etc.?... Thanks,Merri< Yes, indeed, I cut the actual shape of the horse. In fact, I cut six horses - 3 leaping with all 4 legs out, and 3 with all 4 legs under the body. Complete with flying mane and flying tail. Now, consider this. The horses are not actually part of a stained glass panel. They are complete in and of themselves. They are simply wire-wrapped (gold wire loops across the belly) suspending them from the merry-go-round's up/down rod. The stained glass horses don't acutally touch anything. So there is no stress. As to the saw, I used a Taurus II.2 ring saw. Worked like a charm! But I only use it for this type work. My stained glass panels and lampshades would never have anything like this designed into them (unless I was attempting a Bob Oddy thingie). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 16:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stepping stone problems Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.142632.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cheryl: >I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with = it and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood.< You might want to use insulation boards instead of either wood or cardboard. The insulation boards (they're pink and come in various widths, lengths and thicknesses) are easy to cut to shape, and do not absorb water like the wood and/or cardboard. I modified my double brick stepping stone mold to produce a smaller size by cutting some of these insulation boards to make damns. Then I placed them inside the molds. They didn't even require a spraying of my spray vegetable cooking oil as the release agent. The concrete popped right out neatly. I purchase the insulation boards at the local Home Depot (or any home improvement place). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 17:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass in dishwaher? Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:50:03 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct13.6503.0> References: <<1998Oct10.61351.0>> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Karen K. wrote: > > Just wondering if its safe to clean up the glass stuff I cart back and forth > to crafts sales in the dishwasher. I would not use the dry cycle, think > it's to hot.. What about the soap? What about using baking soda instead of > soap? Read that some of you use baking soda on glass, I know it will to a > handy-dandy job of cleaning the marks off your walls. I don't want to do > anything to dull or stain the lead came or solder lines but need to clean up > the glass itself. Karen K. > > ---- Gidday from Oz - please don't put leaded glass in the dishwasher. Lead is a monkey for getting in where it's not wanted. It can get into the plastic coating on the racks and from there onto your crockery and cutlery.... not good for longevity.... Keep well -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Director, Advertising & Marketing: 'The Saponifier' http://www.thepetalpusher.com/sap.html Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 17:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.15558.0> References: <<1998Oct21.41134.0>> Precedence: bulk Merri Wells wrote: > > Are you saying you cut out the actual shape of a horse? What about the > comments made recently that suggest the glass can't take the stress when you > cut in too deeply, intricately, etc.? > > Is there something I'm not understanding? > > Thanks, > Merri > > > I needed to cut out single-piece carosel horses (no larger than > > 3" long x 2" tall). Could not have done it without the ring saw. > > > > Christie A. Wood > > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the stress part is this: if the horse was in a panel, and the panel flexed even a little, it would crack. done up like a sun catcher, there's less of a chance for breaking. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 17:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Doug Parrott Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.15826.0> References: <<1998Oct21.33239.0>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > > Carol & Elisabeth > > how right you are. You know I tried with some less expensive glass and no > problem. Switched back to the Bullseye piece and everytime it cracked. I > am going to keep practicing though. I will do what you say Elisabeth and > stop and let the glass cool down a bit. How long does it usually take to > drill a hole. This was taking about 10 minutes. Seems like a long time. I > bought a tile & glass bit. it is very strange looking the tip has a flat > arrowhead shape. Does that sound like the right type of tip to be using. > > Well in addition to my sad clock episode I also had a little problem with a > fountain stepping stone what I was making. The stone has copper tubing in > it and then it will be propped up in a bowl. To create a space for the > water to come out, I put in a piece of wood. The tubing buts up against the > wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to > get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the > retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it > and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. I was able to > salvage almost all of the glass. it is soaking now to get the concrete off. > > Isn't fun learning lessons though our failures. I swear that is the only > way I learn any more. Help!!!!!!! > > Cheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Swann > To: Doug Parrott > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes > > >Hi Cheryl...long time no hear from you...sorry to hear that your glass > >broke...each kind of glass will react differently to being drilled. It's > >always a good idea to buy enough for 2 faces, just in case...Murphy > >strikes...drilling in glass is NEVER foolproof no matter how many times you > >do it. > > > >C. > > > > > >Carol Swann > >Synergy Glass & Creative > >http://www.igga.org/synergy > >seaspray@island.net > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass what i've actually done for another project (i forget what though), is this: i got a grinder bit (1/4"), and made a shaft for it. found some round stock, flatened one end for the set screw. and attached the other to my drill. now i can move the bit around if i need to. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 17:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: dmg To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: talking about math Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <199810212316.TAA01003@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk I have been puzzled by the patterns for half-sphere lamps. I have been trying to come out with the math to draw a pattern. The only time I have used a pattern for this shape I took it from a catalog. I want to learn how to make them. Today I went to the library. Wow! I recommend that anybody who has some math skills go the library/bookstore and read drafting books, specially those on 3d images. It will bring plenty of new ideas. Oh, about the spheres. There are several methods in use (search under development of spheres). Some for cartographic applications. The most simple (for our purposes) is the zone method (also known as conical). Basically you divide the sphere in conical sections which then are converted into concentric "rings". Much like a pattern for a art-deco style lamp. With some drawing and math skills, it should by possible to make patterns for almost any revolution shape. Obviously, they miss the actual "drawing" (i.e. leaves, flowers, etc.), but at least it solves half the problem. Certainly stained glass has been a method to stimulate thinking. dmg -- Daniel M. German "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable Arthur C. Clarke -> from magic." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 18:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:53:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.95319.0> Precedence: bulk >If it broke in a nice pretty random pattern, just foil the pieces, and >solder together. Some of my best box lids got the design this way. > >Lee > Lee, Good idea. The break wasn't pretty though, however, I can make it prettier!! I have been thinking about how I can salvage it. And just like you say, it will look even better than my original design. isn't glass great!! I have been getting some excellent help from everyone on drilling holes. I am searching for a better bit and I will work on the various techniques everyone has suggested even getting some hard foam rubber to place the glass on-- thanks mike for that one. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 18:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: drilled hole and broken glass...yikes Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.16034.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Cheryl, One of my first projects was a panel with a large piece of blue sky and a circle to be cut out of the middle. This was pre-bungi, mind you and I used my grinder ever so carefully and slowly to start the hole and then keep enlarging it, all the while making sure the bit was doused with water. Call it dumb luck - I do - but it worked for me. Now, I would try it the bungi way that has been suggested. I think taking your time and not forcing the glass and if you're afraid it will break, do as they say, turn it over to take some of the stress away from the glass. Carol T Elisabeth - North Carolina, in the Atlantic Ocean off the south coast between South Carolina and North Carolina. Ocean Isle Beach - a barrier island. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 18:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Beveler4@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.151148.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mike , > Not sure of the cost but I know that it has to be cut with a saw. Have seen it > in catalogs and ads, but haven't really paid attention to cost because it > doesn't sound like something that I would use,because of the saw > thing.Beveler4(Stan) i have the saw, though i'm not sure what i'd do with the glass, it looks potentially neat... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 18:46:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:49:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.164941.0> References: <<1998Oct21.61025.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Mike: That Job glass is really nice. I have 8 trays of the 1 1/2 x 1 1/2's (2 each of 4 different color combinations). The glass comes in 1x1's, 1 1/2x1 1/2's, and 8x16 sheets. Great for panel lamps or panel trim. I sell the 1 1/2's for $1.50 each--got that suggestion from a "famous" lady in Billings. I guess it tends to crack along the stringer lines when overheated, but doesn't hurt the integrity of the piece, and is very hard to detect. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Oct21.105546.0> References: <<1998Oct21.61025.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike: The only job glass I have seen is in little one inch squares. These sell for about $2 each. I understand they are also coming out with pieces of about 16 inch squares. Frankly I wasn't too impressed with job glass. The major value of it would be for use as jewels and corner pieces. The plaid coloring just didn't appeal to me for some reason. PJ On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, M. Savad wrote: > does anyone know how much that Job Glass costs? it looks like plaid, or > a cloth like material. it's made up of overlapping stringers. it's > pretty new, but looks kind of neat. though i never saw a price anywhere. > > i think they said it's made up from spectrum glass. though i don't know > if spectrum makes it. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > of the Brilliance Award. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bead making question Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.163930.0> Precedence: bulk I have really enjoyed the bios everyone's sent. I read this in Kathy's bio: > I also have a Kiln that I bought to anneal my beads in, but it >didn't come with a book and I am chicken to use it when I don't know what I >am >doing and have no one to "show" me what to do...another Someday! Could someone explain what this means? Several months ago, I saw a bead making demonstration, and she would make the beads and then put them in vermiculite to cool down. How do you use a kiln with making beads? Do they not anneal properly if you don't put them in a kiln? I'm assuming that you anneal between 700-900 (?) so the beads don't lose their shape? Wouldn't a lot of beads break going from the rod, out of the torch, to the kiln? Like Kathy, I have a lot of "Somedays". I loved watching the bead making, and would like to *Someday* ;) take a class in it. Jerri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:18:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My sincere apologies Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.114310.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Sorry about the color test. I hope it didn't foul up anyone's computers. Sorry Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wood in concrete. Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.113831.0> References: <<1998Oct21.15826.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I also learned this lesson the hard way. The wood absorbs the moisture in the concrete and swells. Therefore breaks the concrete. Use PVC pipe instead of wood and it works great. Also vaseline this and gently turn it about 2 hours after it has been left it to set. Then turn it again in another 2 hours. That should make it easy to remove. I wouldn't give up on the concrete yet. Diamondcrete is so expensive. Good Luck Shirley B The tubing buts up against the > > wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to > > get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the > > retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it > > and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:22:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.172242.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Mike: The only job glass I have seen is in little one inch squares. > These sell for about $2 each. I understand they are also coming out with > pieces of about 16 inch squares. Frankly I wasn't too impressed with job > glass. The major value of it would be for use as jewels and corner > pieces. The plaid coloring just didn't appeal to me for some reason. PJ > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, M. Savad wrote: > > > does anyone know how much that Job Glass costs? it looks like plaid, or > > a cloth like material. it's made up of overlapping stringers. it's > > pretty new, but looks kind of neat. though i never saw a price anywhere. > > > > i think they said it's made up from spectrum glass. though i don't know > > if spectrum makes it. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > > of the Brilliance Award. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > that was my general reacion as well... i guess it's roughly a little more expensive then wasser was. i guess if i see some, i could get a little. maybe if they come out with some solid colors, or colors i could use... it looked a little pricey... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 19:35:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:51:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.115158.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I make stepping stones. They are not full surface glass. Just look like suncatchers set in exposed aggregate stones. Therefore the cost can be kept down. I think my prices are low to begin with(but I can't sell them if I raise the prices!). I charge $11 for the stone, $1 for each piece of glass. Makes most of my stones in the $35-50 range. I am now finding retailers to wholesale to. They want these stones at very low prices. I know that that selling them wholesale saves me the craft show fees, travel expenses, and expenses for props etc. Therefore I can lower my craft show rates. But I don't want to lower them as low as the retailers want so they can double the price to sell in their stores. This is my question. Is there a formula/percentage that you decrease your price to accommodate a wholesale account? And if so, what is it? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 20:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.12653.0> References: <<362E1CCB.2CCD@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > This little Jedi mind trick is kinda freaky, till you think > about > >it= > > a > >>> >> little while. Then it's even more weird. Just follow the > >instructio= > >ns > >>> >> below: > >>> >> > >>> >> DON'T scroll down too fast-do it slowly and follow the instructions > >>> >> below exactly, do the math in your head as fast as you can. It may > >>help > >>> >to > >>> >> say the answers aloud quietly. > >>> >> > >>> >> FOLLOW these instructions one at a time and as QUICKLY as you can! > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> What is: > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 2+2? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 4+4? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 8+8? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 16+16? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Quick! Pick a number between 12 and 5. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Got it? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Now scroll down... > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> The number you picked was 7, right? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Isn't that weird??? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Free will or synaptic wiring? You be the judge. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Check out the following exercise, guaranteed to freak you > >out= > >. > >>> >> > >>> There's no trick or surprise. Just follow these > >instructions, > >>and > >>> >> > >>> answer the questions one at a time and as quickly as you > >can! > >>> >> > >>> Again, as quickly as you can but don't advance until you've > >do= > >ne > >>> >> each > >>> >> > of > >>> >> > >>> them...really. Now, ARROW down (but not too fast, you might > >>miss > >>> >> > >>> something)... > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> What is: > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 1+5 > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 2+4 > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 3+3 > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 4+2 > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 5+1 > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Now repeat saying the number 6 to yourself as fast as you can > >>for > >>> >> > >>> 15 seconds. Then scroll down. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then arrow down. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Keep going. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> You're thinking of a carrot right? If not, you're among the > >2% > >>of > >>> >> > >>> the population whose minds are warped enough to think of > >>something > >>> >> > >>> else. 98% of people will answer with carrot when given this > >>> >> exercise. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Freaky, huh? > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> Here is another one > >>> >> > >>> DON'T CHEAT BY SCROLLING DOWN FIRST! > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> It only takes 30 seconds. Work this out as you read. Don't > >re= > >ad > >>> >> > >>> the bottom until you've worked it out! > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 1. First of all, pick the number of days a week that you > >woul= > >d > >>> >> > >>> like to eat out. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 2. Multiply this number by 2. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 3. Add 5. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 4. Multiply it by 50. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1748. > >= > >If > >>> >> > >>> you haven't, add 1747. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> 6. Last step: Subtract the four digit year that you were > >born= > >. > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> SEE BELOW > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> You should now have a three digit number: The first digit of > >>this > >>> >> > >>> was your original number (i.e. how many times you want to go > >o= > >ut > >>> >> each > >>> >> > >>> week). The second two digits are your age!!! This is the only > >>year > >>> >> > (1998) > >>> >> > >>> it > >>> >> > >>> will ever work, so spread the fun around while it lasts... > >>> >> > >>> > Now that is creative math!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 20:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Leslye2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.19032.0> References: <<1998Oct21.12810.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can > anyone educate me? Hi, Leslye, I can give you the puzzler that made the light go on in my head when my cousin was trying to explain to me about the creativity of mathematics. Design the borders of five countries so that each border is adjacent to some part of the border of all the other countries. (The exercise, if nothing else, will give up some wonderful shapes suitable for stained glassing!) Only creativity, of the mathematical kind, will solve this puzzle for you. If you need help, I'll post a possible solution tomorrow. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 21:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:39:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.193934.0> Precedence: bulk DQpJcyBhIHRvbWF0byBhIHZlZ2V0YWJsZSwgdGhpcyB3YXJwZWQgbWluZCB3YW50cyB0byBrbm93 PyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgS2FyZW4gSw0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICBTaGlybGV5IHBvc3RzICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICBRVUlDSyEhISAgVEhJTksgT0YgQSBWRUdFVEFCTEUhICBUaGVuIGFycm93IGRvd24u DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4gWW91J3JlIHRoaW5raW5nIG9mIGEgY2Fycm90IHJpZ2h0PyBJZiBub3QsIHlv dSdyZSBhbW9uZyB0aGUgMiUNCj4+ID4+b2YgIHRoZSBwb3B1bGF0aW9uIHdob3NlIG1pbmRzIGFy ZSB3YXJwZWQgZW5vdWdoIHRvIHRoaW5rIG9mDQo+PiA+PnNvbWV0aGluZyBlbHNlLiA5OCUgb2Yg cGVvcGxlIHdpbGwgYW5zd2VyIHdpdGggY2Fycm90IHdoZW4gZ2l2ZW4gdGhpcw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ IGV4ZXJjaXNlLg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ ID4+PiAgRnJlYWt5LCBodWg/DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4gPj4+DQoNCg== ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 21:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:34:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, jroey@juno.com Subject: bead making question Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:31:38, -0500 Message-ID: <199810220331.XAA14474@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>> I also have a Kiln that I bought to anneal my beads in, but it >didn't come with a book and I am chicken to use it when I don't know >what I am doing and have no one to "show" me what to do...another >Someday! That someday could be tomorrow. What brand and model kiln do you have? Tell us so we can help and learn too. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 21:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: unreliable supplier Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:32:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.33210.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, Ok, read the description of the item, now I would love to see it, is there anyway we can see a pic? (We may want to order one too!!!!!) Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: explain math Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.202110.0> Precedence: bulk SXMgYSB0b21hdG8gYSB2ZWdldGFibGUsIHRoaXMgd2FycGVkIG1pbmQgd2FudHMgdG8ga25vdz8g ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEthcmVuIEsNCg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgU2hpcmxleSBwb3N0cyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgUVVJQ0shISEgIFRISU5LIE9GIEEgVkVHRVRBQkxFISAgVGhlbiBhcnJvdyBkb3duLg0K Pj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ ID4+ID4gPj4+IFlvdSdyZSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBhIGNhcnJvdCByaWdodD8gSWYgbm90LCB5b3Un cmUgYW1vbmcgdGhlIDIlDQo+PiA+Pm9mICB0aGUgcG9wdWxhdGlvbiB3aG9zZSBtaW5kcyBhcmUg d2FycGVkIGVub3VnaCB0byB0aGluayBvZg0KPj4gPj5zb21ldGhpbmcgZWxzZS4gOTglIG9mIHBl b3BsZSB3aWxsIGFuc3dlciB3aXRoIGNhcnJvdCB3aGVuIGdpdmVuIHRoaXMNCj4+ID4+PiA+PiBl eGVyY2lzZS4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+ Pj4gIEZyZWFreSwgaHVoPw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ID4+Pg0KDQoNCg== ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:19:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: problems with math Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.202632.0> Precedence: bulk Is a tomato a vegetable, this warped mind wants to know? = Karen K = Shirley posts = = QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then = arrow down. You're thinking of a carrot right? If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are warped enough to think of something else. 98% of people will answer with carrot when given this exercise. Holy Cow What Was That? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:31:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "M. Savad" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: job glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.18330.0> References: <<1998Oct21.151148.0>> Precedence: bulk I saw the glass at my local retailers shop. She is really into it. I didnt particularly care for the colors I saw, but it is cool looking glass. I am sure you could come up with all kinds of things to do with it Mike. At the shop, she had a panel incorporating squares of the job glass, in quilt type patterns. It was very pretty. I was under the impression that it is purchased in a 2" square. Not in larger sheets like other stained glass. That was the way I saw it, maybe it comes differently as well. Because of the woven look, I would think someone such as yourself, Mike, (talent wise) could come up with some really cool textile looking glass creations. Hope that made sense, I am really tired tonight. I also think that someone with a kiln could really have some fun with it. Suzanne M. Savad wrote: > > > i have the saw, though i'm not sure what i'd do with the glass, it looks > potentially neat... > > ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: test Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:53:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.205314.0> Precedence: bulk Don't have a clue to what happened. KK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:45:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.184929.0> References: <<1998Oct21.12653.0>> Precedence: bulk I must be *different* as my mother has always claimed. The only one where I got the answer they assumed I would was the last where it tells your age and the number of times you'd like to eat out a week. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 22:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My color test results Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:02:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.19243.0> Precedence: bulk Well, this is what it said about me. I would be interested to hear what it says about others choices. Perceptive, yet tender, this person has a well developed sense of art and an appreciation of beauty. Enthusiastic, optimistic, and full of energy, this erson is capable of persuing original ideas with vigor. Sensitive, perceptive (again) able to work well with others. Capable of relaxing and enjoying the finer things in life. Contented generally with life , and focusing more on the higher values: art, beauty, ideas. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 21 23:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Stepping stone problems Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:16:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.151629.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, Thanks for the input. How would styrofoam work? I've got some extra stuff that came for packing? What do you think? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 4:52 PM Subject: Stepping stone problems >Message text written by Cheryl: >>I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to >get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the >retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with = >it >and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood.< > >You might want to use insulation boards instead of either wood >or cardboard. The insulation boards (they're pink and come in >various widths, lengths and thicknesses) are easy to cut to shape, >and do not absorb water like the wood and/or cardboard. I >modified my double brick stepping stone mold to produce a smaller >size by cutting some of these insulation boards to make damns. >Then I placed them inside the molds. They didn't even require >a spraying of my spray vegetable cooking oil as the >release agent. The concrete popped right out neatly. I purchase >the insulation boards at the local Home Depot (or any home >improvement place). > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 04:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:07:25 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.11725.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, Did your test and didn't get the first 2 answers that were typical to get. (just like Suzanne) No wonder I feel like a walking Space Cadet at times. Enjoyed them though! Love the 3rd test! Thanks, Lenore. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 05:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: explain math (and a repair question) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:22:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.112234.0> Precedence: bulk Karen K explained math in the following way Pj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ ID4+ID4gPj4+IFlvdSdyZSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBhIGNhcnJvdCByaWdodD8gSWYgbm90 3Un Hey Karen, I never really cared for algebra, is this a test? Is the test going to be graded? It is going to take me a long time to isolate the variables........... Now a glass question, I have never repaired anything old, I need to "fix" an insert from a cupboard for my friend. The glass is broken in 2 places and the lead looks pretty nasty. My local suppliers don't have lead that is wide and flat (I should have measured the width before I sat down at the computer), is it available anywhere? They told me once it was manufactured for use in restorations. I really hoped I could end up with a finished piece that duplicates the original as closely as possible. Thanks in advance for your ideas. You guys are great. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 07:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Yegnim@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.33759.0> References: <<435eb386.362f11ed@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk > Shirley, > Did your test and didn't get the first 2 answers that were typical to get. > (just like Suzanne) No wonder I feel like a walking Space Cadet at times. > Enjoyed them though! Love the 3rd test! Thanks, Lenore. > I prefer to think we are unique creations in ourselves rather than space cadets! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 07:46:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My color test results Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.5375.0> Precedence: bulk SIGH !!! I've waited all my life to meet you...Now, I'm too old to appreciate it... Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: balloch@netbridge.net ; glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 1:59 AM Subject: My color test results >Well, this is what it said about me. I would be interested to hear what >it says about others choices. > >Perceptive, yet tender, this person has a well developed sense of art >and an appreciation of beauty. Enthusiastic, optimistic, and full of >energy, this erson is capable of persuing original ideas with vigor. >Sensitive, perceptive (again) able to work well with others. Capable of >relaxing and enjoying the finer things in life. Contented generally >with life , and focusing more on the higher values: art, beauty, ideas. > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 07:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wood in concrete. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.55920.0> References: <<1998Oct21.113831.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I also learned this lesson the hard way. The wood absorbs the moisture > in the concrete and swells. Therefore breaks the concrete. > Use PVC pipe instead of wood and it works great. Also vaseline this and > gently turn it about 2 hours after it has been left it to set. Then > turn it again in another 2 hours. That should make it easy to remove. > I wouldn't give up on the concrete yet. Diamondcrete is so expensive. > Good Luck > Shirley B > > The tubing buts up against the > > > wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to > > > get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the > > > retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it > > > and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if you cover the wood with motor oil, it should'nt absorb anything. that's what masons use when they use a wood form for a sidewalk. or a form for a cement step cap. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 08:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Handbooks related to stained glass Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <19981022140917.CVIW16322@vic> Precedence: bulk I own a handbook, by I believe (it is not here) the Isenbergs, which I have found to be very helpful to me as a beginner. However, I seem to recall a hard cover book, published by one of the guilds or organization, that had been recommended to me. It was out of print or being revised at the time I was interested. This was about a year ago. The problem is, I can't remember the name or the author. Since I am about to order "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" from Barnes & Noble, I would like to order this book also. Given this sketchy information, is there any one that can help me with additional information about it? Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Vice President Feist & Feist Realty Corp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 08:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dallas glass shops, etc. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.43949.0> Precedence: bulk I will be in Dallas next week for a computer conference. Does anyone know of glass shops, etc.? Thanks. Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 09:27:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wood in concrete. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.72332.0> References: <<1998Oct22.55920.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Shirley: M. Savad wrote: > > if you cover the wood with motor oil, it should'nt absorb anything. > that's what masons use when they use a wood form for a sidewalk. or a > form for a cement step cap. IMHO no matter what you use on the wood, you will have difficulty removing it. It is fine to use motor oil on wooden forms for sidewalks on anything else as long as the forms can be removed from the outside. It is much different when the wood is surrounded by the concrete. Wood is still an acceptable method, all you have to do is drill out the wood after the concrete is set. Any other attempt to remove the wood will result in the same disaster. The surface of the wood is not perfectly smooth, just look at it under a microscope and you will soon see all those little pores and imperfections that the concrete will grasp and hold onto for dear life. Just my 2 cents worth, Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 09:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810221545.IAA13894@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hey Shirley!!! I love it!!!, grin. Awhile back Patrick sent me the carrot test...blew me away. Since then I've seen the other... birthday one...too cute! Not to worry Lenore ... Especially trying to figure out that carrot one . A tomato is a fruit actually. Cindy > >Shirley, >Did your test and didn't get the first 2 answers that were typical to get. >(just like Suzanne) No wonder I feel like a walking Space Cadet at times. > Enjoyed them though! Love the 3rd test! Thanks, Lenore. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 09:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "K. See" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: job glass Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.81330.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk this site has info to answer questions about this glass http://www.dlstainedglass.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 10:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Vic LaGreca'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Handbooks related to stained glass Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.19406.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, Seems it's the same price at B&N and Amazon (24.95), You could order thru IGGA, and maybe Albert could tell you about the book and there may be a discount. Just a thought. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Vic LaGreca [SMTP:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:14 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Handbooks related to stained glass I own a handbook, by I believe (it is not here) the Isenbergs, which I have found to be very helpful to me as a beginner. However, I seem to recall a hard cover book, published by one of the guilds or organization, that had been recommended to me. It was out of print or being revised at the time I was interested. This was about a year ago. The problem is, I can't remember the name or the author. Since I am about to order "c" from Barnes & Noble, I would like to order this book also. Given this sketchy information, is there any one that can help me with additional information about it? Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Vice President Feist & Feist Realty Corp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 10:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:36:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.8362.0> References: <<1998Oct21.193934.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk If this is creative math, or in someway related to glass, can someone translate it into a terrestrial language? Karen K. wrote: > > DQpJcyBhIHRvbWF0byBhIHZlZ2V0YWJsZSwgdGhpcyB3YXJwZWQgbWluZCB3YW50cyB0byBrbm93 > PyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgS2FyZW4gSw0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICBTaGlybGV5IHBvc3RzICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICBRVUlDSyEhISAgVEhJTksgT0YgQSBWRUdFVEFCTEUhICBUaGVuIGFycm93IGRvd24u > DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ > Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4gWW91J3JlIHRoaW5raW5nIG9mIGEgY2Fycm90IHJpZ2h0PyBJZiBub3QsIHlv > dSdyZSBhbW9uZyB0aGUgMiUNCj4+ID4+b2YgIHRoZSBwb3B1bGF0aW9uIHdob3NlIG1pbmRzIGFy > ZSB3YXJwZWQgZW5vdWdoIHRvIHRoaW5rIG9mDQo+PiA+PnNvbWV0aGluZyBlbHNlLiA5OCUgb2Yg > cGVvcGxlIHdpbGwgYW5zd2VyIHdpdGggY2Fycm90IHdoZW4gZ2l2ZW4gdGhpcw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ > IGV4ZXJjaXNlLg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ > ID4+PiAgRnJlYWt5LCBodWg/DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4gPj4+DQoNCg== > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 10:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.85011.0> References: <<1998Oct21.202110.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Pleaze decrypt this one two Karen K. wrote: > > SXMgYSB0b21hdG8gYSB2ZWdldGFibGUsIHRoaXMgd2FycGVkIG1pbmQgd2FudHMgdG8ga25vdz8g > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEthcmVuIEsNCg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgU2hpcmxleSBwb3N0cyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > ICAgICAgUVVJQ0shISEgIFRISU5LIE9GIEEgVkVHRVRBQkxFISAgVGhlbiBhcnJvdyBkb3duLg0K > Pj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ > ID4+ID4gPj4+IFlvdSdyZSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBhIGNhcnJvdCByaWdodD8gSWYgbm90LCB5b3Un > cmUgYW1vbmcgdGhlIDIlDQo+PiA+Pm9mICB0aGUgcG9wdWxhdGlvbiB3aG9zZSBtaW5kcyBhcmUg > d2FycGVkIGVub3VnaCB0byB0aGluayBvZg0KPj4gPj5zb21ldGhpbmcgZWxzZS4gOTglIG9mIHBl > b3BsZSB3aWxsIGFuc3dlciB3aXRoIGNhcnJvdCB3aGVuIGdpdmVuIHRoaXMNCj4+ID4+PiA+PiBl > eGVyY2lzZS4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+ > Pj4gIEZyZWFreSwgaHVoPw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ID4+Pg0KDQoNCg== > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 11:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math (and a repair question) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:22:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.92214.0> References: <<1998Oct22.112234.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Try here: DHD Metals, Inc., 1301 Olympic Court SW #A, Conyers GA 30207-5253. Phone: (770) 760-9404. (800) 428-6693. Fax: (770) 760-9032. They have a diverse catalog, and will send samples (3 -4") of something that you might find 'close' by looking at the catalog. Or, you can send them a piece of yours. They will do a 'custom' die set for a reasonable cost (relative, depending on how much you order, if you need 2 feet, not so resonable). I have found them to be extremely helpful. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 11:30:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, CncptThnkr@aol.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: Lead repair question Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:34:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199810221734.NAA12516@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Now a glass question, I have never repaired anything old, I need to "fix" an insert from a cupboard for my friend. The glass is broken in 2 places and the lead looks pretty nasty. My local suppliers don't have lead that is wide and flat (I should have measured the width before I sat down at the computer), is it available anywhere? They told me once it was manufactured for use in restorations. I really hoped I could end up with a finished piece that duplicates the original as closely as possible. Thanks in advance for your ideas. You guys are great. Pat<< Flat H lead comes in ¼", 3/8", ½", and ¾". There may be more than one height and perhaps other sizes available. If you only need a small amount and can not find the rather uncommon ¾" let me know. I have plenty but use little. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 11:39:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: results of color test Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:27:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.32745.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I found this very interesting. A few of you responded to me privately(thank you very much), and none of you were in the vast 98%. To me that just shows what a creative group you all are!!!!! If we didn't have people that saw things differently we wouldn't have any change or growth. I applaud you all. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 11:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: RE: glass saw? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:51:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.175153.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/21/98 11:45:12 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >Yes, indeed, I cut the actual shape of the horse. In fact, I cut six >horses - 3 leaping with all 4 legs out, and 3 with all 4 legs under >the body. Complete with flying mane and flying tail. She sure did. Pretty durned awesome, too. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sorry results were math test not color test!!!!!! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.32914.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk It wasn't the color test, it was the math test, I was referring to. I am getting off this computer and going to cut glass. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'K. See'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: job glass Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct21.212829.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Even better site: http://www.billjob.com/prod07.htm Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: K. See [SMTP:atf@socent.org] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:14 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: job glass this site has info to answer questions about this glass http://www.dlstainedglass.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: esavad@home.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: job glass Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:51:47 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.175147.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/21/98 3:11:48 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: >does anyone know how much that Job Glass costs? it looks like plaid, or >a cloth like material. it's made up of overlapping stringers. [...] > >i think they said it's made up from spectrum glass. though i don't know >if spectrum makes it. It may be made from Spectrum glass, but you can be sure Spectrum doesn't make anything so far out; maybe somebody else is taking Spectrum glass because it's so easy to work with and using it as raw material. I'd love to see a sample of this stuff! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: glass saw? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:51:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct22.175154.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/21/98 5:16:43 PM, kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU wrote: >Had a piece of glass just barely >large enough for the pieces I wanted to get from it. To use the >"best" parts of the glass, placement of my pattern pieces were >such that it would be risky (difficult cuts) to separate them. >Although I ultimately used a different glass, I considered using the >glass saw just to separate the pattern pieces and (hopefully) >maximize the useable areas of glass. I did the same thing the other day when I was helping Christie with a small panel with a lot of curved pieces. I found a perfect piece of bright blue, but there was barely enough to fit all the pattern pieces on the glass, much less cut them out. So I glued them down so they fit, then cut almost the whole shebang on the ring saw. Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait for the next trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour or two of productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, that's more than worth it! Sparks (ever the practical mind) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My color test results Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.8526.0> References: <<1998Oct22.5375.0>> Precedence: bulk > > SIGH !!! I've waited all my life to meet you...Now, I'm too old to > appreciate it... > > Arnold > I prefer to think..."You are never too old 'til your dead! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 12:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: explain math Date: Thu Oct 22 11:09:23 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.84523.0> Precedence: bulk I think it is the second differential of the surface density of fused glass after you have inhaled way too much lead. Vic vmodiano@ctonsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob the Dinosaur [mailto:shyguy@vdot.net] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:50 PM To: Bungi Subject: Re: explain math Pleaze decrypt this one two Karen K. wrote: > > SXMgYSB0b21hdG8gYSB2ZWdldGFibGUsIHRoaXMgd2FycGVkIG1pbmQgd2FudHMgdG8ga25v dz8g > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEthcmVuIEsNCg0KICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAg > ICAgU2hpcmxleSBwb3N0cyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAg > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAg > ICAgICAgUVVJQ0shISEgIFRISU5LIE9GIEEgVkVHRVRBQkxFISAgVGhlbiBhcnJvdyBkb3du Lg0K > Pj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4g Pj4+ > ID4+ID4gPj4+IFlvdSdyZSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBhIGNhcnJvdCByaWdodD8gSWYgbm90LCB5 b3Un > cmUgYW1vbmcgdGhlIDIlDQo+PiA+Pm9mICB0aGUgcG9wdWxhdGlvbiB3aG9zZSBtaW5kcyBh cmUg > d2FycGVkIGVub3VnaCB0byB0aGluayBvZg0KPj4gPj5zb21ldGhpbmcgZWxzZS4gOTglIG9m IHBl > b3BsZSB3aWxsIGFuc3dlciB3aXRoIGNhcnJvdCB3aGVuIGdpdmVuIHRoaXMNCj4+ID4+PiA+ PiBl > eGVyY2lzZS4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4g PiA+ > Pj4gIEZyZWFreSwgaHVoPw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ID4+Pg0KDQoNCg== > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 13:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: "Sue Becker" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ceramic fiberboard Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.92450.0> Precedence: bulk Sue, Perhaps you are referring to a fiber blanket and this can be cut and a hardening solution added to it. You then put it over a form you want to copy and let it dry (it takes a while) . I bought mine from Houston Stained Glass, but probably any of the other companies should have it. Ed Hoy's has a very extensive line of fusing and slumping supplies. Hope this helps. Molly Keys -----Original Message----- From: Sue Becker To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 5:41 PM Subject: ceramic fiberboard > >Found a book recently on glass slumping which mentions the use of >ceramic fiberboard. Never heard of it myself, checked an old Hoy's >catalogue, and called around locally with no success. > >Is it something new or am I not describing it properly. > >Thanks. > >Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 14:14:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: explain math Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.123636.0> Precedence: bulk I didn't do this on purpose Honest. I posted a reply and used some of the math test in my message (the part about hurry think of vegetable) and that how it came up. Karen, who enrolling in Computers 101 tomorrow > From: Bob the Dinosaur > > Subject: Re: explain math > > Pleaze decrypt this one two > > Karen K. wrote: > > >SXMgYSB0b21hdG8gYSB2ZWdldGFibGUsIHRoaXMgd2FycGVkIG1pbmQgd2FudHMgdG8ga 25v >dz8g > > >ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEthcmVuIEsNCg0KICAgICAgICAgI CAg >ICAg > > >ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgI CAg >ICAg > > >ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgI CAg >ICAg > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 14:42:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dallas glass shops, etc. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.12140.0> Precedence: bulk You can check with "The Store Finder" on the web at www.thestorefinder.com Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Gleason Sackman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:45 AM Subject: Dallas glass shops, etc. >I will be in Dallas next week for a computer conference. > >Does anyone know of glass shops, etc.? > >Thanks. > > >Fargo, ND >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 15:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.123534.0> Precedence: bulk I got the same gibberish - no fair you guys! Best ;-) Dani Greer (who has to go clean more smoke-damaged glass anyway so why even think about having fun.) :=3D( ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 18:38:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lamp photo is up Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.144856.0> Precedence: bulk Fellow Bungians: For those of you that helped me with my wooduck lamp (earlier this = summer) and would like to have a look see, it is now posted on Daniel's = photo gallery. http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery/index.html Be sure to go to the larger image as it shows the colors a bit better. = (my next challenge will be proper photography! A special thanks to Wayne for all of his help in this. Sue Reitmann (oddjob@scc.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 19:42:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:55:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.155549.0> References: <<1998Oct22.175154.0>> Precedence: bulk > Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait for the next > trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour or two of > productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, that's > more than worth it! > > > Sparks (ever the practical mind) Good point ya got there Sparks. Hadn't thought about that aspect. At this point in *my* stained glass journey, my feeling re:saws is that, I want to develop the best cutting skills I can. If I had a ring saw, it might just be too tempting to get a hard cut done easily than to deal with the time/frustration that I sometimes deal with getting a cut done just right. I have really been working hard on my cutting and taking my time and taking the small safe scores on those pieces that are all wiggly and curvy to get the piece out! I have gotten good enough lately that I havent lost a piece except when I get tired and lazy. Then I get so mad at myself because I knew better than to do it with one score. Sometimes I get lucky but kick myself anyway! I sure dont want to be wasting any money right now on breaking the glass wrong. I know I sound really cheap sometimes...super shopper...price comparer...but, it I have really gotten pretty good at being frugal! ;o) It's either that or go back to Social Work full time. No thanks. Frugal it is! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 20:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mass. studio Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.182224.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- Recently I asked if anyone had heard of Whittemore Assoc., a = studio in Needham, Mass. that made the 1967 windows in the arsoned church that we're helping restore. I've since found out = that they were acquired by = Serpentino (Studios?) in Needham when Ira Whittemore either died or retired. Has anyone every = heard of Serpentino? Any info = would be helpful and appreciated... off-bungi if that's more comfortable for you. Thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 20:41:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hollander glass Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.17221.0> Precedence: bulk Hollander is a glass wholesaler...They have locations all around the country and in Canada ...They have a web site at www.hollanderglass.com -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Byron Wells ; glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 5:44 PM Subject: Hollander glass >> Its imported from Asia and Hollander carries it... >> >> Byron... >> Wells Glassworks > > >Do you know how to get in touch with Hollander? Are we talking the same >Hollander Glass, Inc.from Stanton California? As in Gary Hollander? I >feel like he is a long lost friend! >I have been meaning to ask you all if any one knew about them, if they >were still around. There are some patterns I have wanted that they >published in 1978. Ok, remember I didnt do any glass stuff for a long >time!~ I dont know if the addresses I have are any good any more, and >also the prices I have are surely long outdated. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 21:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.17914.0> References: <<1998Oct21.21430.0>> Precedence: bulk I always use pattern shears for foil, and sometimes lead shears for the darker shades of glass that I can't cut with the light box....I don't want to start wars either,but I find it hard to believe that so many do not use SHEARS AND MYLAR. I have tried( in the last twenty years) all the other methods that have been available,but always after a good try,come back to SHEARS AND MYLAR..<..IMHO>the best way (for me at least)I too am interested in what others do, and why???? Don On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:43:00 EDT Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 10/20/98 4:32:28 PM, doverbay@csi.com wrote: > >>I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who >foil do >>so with pattern shears.. > >Yup. Don't leave home without 'em! (Literally, in my case - I keep all >my >glassworking tools in one of those big white plastic buckets with the >skillion-pocket insert, and haul the bucket back and forth from my >home shop >to Christie's and wherever.) > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 22 23:22:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: glass saws Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:49:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct23.54918.0> Precedence: bulk As one who is trying (at 51) to embrace the craft / art of glass literally by total immersion (much reading and research, self -taught, trial and error, and error, and error) I've tried to learn to respect the medium , and have taken the time to read Ms. Sloan's book, on the theory that to truly embrace the craft, it's probably a good idea to in essence, learn what can and does go wrong, and how to avoid that, and possibly how to deal with it, as I love to do repair. Also, I have a strong sense of the historical impact of the craft, and have taken much comfort in knowing, while working, that some of the tasks I'm performing are being done by me in much the same manner as was done years and years ago. I do think however, that one can still respect the medium, by not doing to glass that which it doesn't want done, and at the same time take advantage of modern advances which can make one more productive, more effective in the use of materials, and allow more time to be creative in design, commerce, or whatever. I just finished two FL Wright inspired panels approx 22x60 each. Bring on that strip cutter, the circle cutter, and even the saw, (I used the saw to V-notch some of the zinc came. I am privledged to be able tohave the machinery, but I try not to let it detract from the craft. The majority of the cutting I do is by hand, but sometimes that saw is just wonderful !! Richard Glassics Inc. Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 05:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: WORDEN LAMP CONSTRUCTION Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:06:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct23.11640.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Finally finished foiling for a Worden form shade (my first) and am ready to assemble. Need advice and/or tips on putting it all together. I have the pins but don't know where to start. Is it better to start at the top or the bottom? Put an area together and spot solder or put it all together and then solder? It's 16" diameter - does it need any reinforcement other than wire along the bottom? I have the Worden flat-top cap, which I've never used before. Any other suggestions? TIA Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 05:34:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:50:47 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct23.115047.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/23/98 3:21:51 AM, eldondo1@juno.com wrote: >I find it hard to believe that so many do >not use SHEARS AND MYLAR. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for Mylar. Besides, good old paper works just fine and is far less expensive *and* recyclable. Mylar wouldn't go through my laser printer anyway, and the equivalent thing that will is frighteningly expensive. If I need a reusable pattern I just photocopy it onto lightweight card stock. Chacun a son gout! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 05:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mailbox1.ess From: mailbox1 To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Student looking for help Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 12:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <199810231138.LAA12393@mx1.rmplc.co.uk> Precedence: bulk This was sent to me recently. I thought I would post it to Bungi to give the guy access to a wider group of people, and such nice ones too! ;-) If anyone feels like helping him out please do! Phil >My name is Martin Flaherty and i am currently studying in Limerick >Institute of technology, Ireland, and as part of our final year studies >we are required to do a thesis. The topic i have choosen is " stained & >decorated glass in buildings". >The main areas of research in this thesis are summarised as follows: >History of stained and decorated glass, costs of the various different >types of glass both coloured and clear, costs of different types of >lead, have costs of materials and tools increased much over the years, >how the different types of glass are manufactured today and where it >comes from, fire and acoustics regulations for this type of glass, where >the market for this type of glass is heading, type of buildings and why. > >I would appreciate if you could send me on any information regarding the >above. >If you could please E-Mail me and let me know that you are sending on >information and then maybe posting it to my home address. > Martin Gerard Flaherty, > Ballintleva, > Spiddal, > Co. Galway. > Ireland. > >E-Mail address: 93477848@lit.ie > >I would be very grateful for any information you could send me on. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 05:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lamp photo is up Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.4185.0> References: <<1998Oct22.144856.0>> Precedence: bulk Sue, The lamp looks beautiful! Wish I could see the real thing! Jerri On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:48:56 -0500 "Susan C. Reitmann" writes: >Fellow Bungians: >For those of you that helped me with my wooduck lamp (earlier this = >summer) and would like to have a look see, it is now posted on >Daniel's = >photo gallery. >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery/index.html >Be sure to go to the larger image as it shows the colors a bit better. >= >(my next challenge will be proper photography! >A special thanks to Wayne for all of his help in this. >Sue Reitmann (oddjob@scc.net) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 06:09:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'BMarhon@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: WORDEN LAMP CONSTRUCTION Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct22.162848.0> Precedence: bulk Brenda, Howard is really the one to answer all or your questions but when he does, I have one comment. Never having done any thing but panel shades, it may not be relevant, but it seems unusual to me to have foiled all the pieces before starting to place them on the form. An awful lot of trust that the pieces will fit together. Maybe I just not as precise as you. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: BMarhon@aol.com [SMTP:BMarhon@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 7:07 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: WORDEN LAMP CONSTRUCTION Hi everyone! Finally finished foiling for a Worden form shade (my first) and am ready to assemble. Need advice and/or tips on putting it all together. I have the pins but don't know where to start. Is it better to start at the top or the bottom? Put an area together and spot solder or put it all together and then solder? It's 16" diameter - does it need any reinforcement other than wire along the bottom? I have the Worden flat-top cap, which I've never used before. Any other suggestions? TIA Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 06:32:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri Oct 23 06:00:03 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.3363.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk don i've started other wars, so i get this one started i do not cut out my pattern--i draw directly onto the glass from the pattern, use a lite box if neccessary and carbon paper if need be--i do cut out the pattern on a lamp and some stepping stone patterns,neither of which i feel need pattern shears ==i do not cut out my pattern because i feel it takes to much time and effort, i only want to cut once, the glass -- i also feel that cutting out the pattern leaves more room for error, if you make an error copying onto the mylar, then make an error cutting it out, you have a very large error part of the reason i do glass the way i do is because it is how i was taught in my original class, and the other classes i took this is how it was taught, if they had cut out the pattern, i would probably have not gone on doing glass--when i was a little younger, i made all my clothes and all my kids clothes, the one thing i hated was cutting them out, so needless to say, i hate cutting anything out (except glass) so with one personal reason and one other reason, that is why i do not use pattern shears hope this helps thanx debbie On Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:09 PM, eldondo1@juno.com wrote: > I always use pattern shears for foil, and sometimes lead shears for the > darker shades of glass that I can't cut with the light box....I don't > want to start wars either,but I find it hard to believe that so many do > not use SHEARS AND MYLAR. I have tried( in the last twenty years) all the > other methods that have been available,but always after a good try,come > back to SHEARS AND MYLAR..<..IMHO>the best way (for me at least)I too am > interested in what others do, and why???? > Don > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:43:00 EDT Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > > >In a message dated 10/20/98 4:32:28 PM, doverbay@csi.com wrote: > > > >>I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who > >foil do > >>so with pattern shears.. > > > >Yup. Don't leave home without 'em! (Literally, in my case - I keep all > >my > >glassworking tools in one of those big white plastic buckets with the > >skillion-pocket insert, and haul the bucket back and forth from my > >home shop > >to Christie's and wherever.) > > > > > >Sparks > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 06:56:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: MollysGlass@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: ceramic fiberboard Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: <199810231323.JAA17892@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > Sue, > Perhaps you are referring to a fiber blanket and this can be cut and a > hardening solution added to it. You then put it over a form you want to No, there also is a product called ceramic fiber board. It needs no hardening solution. Look up "refractories" on www.bigyellow.com. I get mine from "Eastern Refractories" in Burlington Mass. But that's just because I live nearby. There are undoubtably other places to get it. It comes in a million varieties. (Exaggeration.) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 07:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:16:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.61618.0> References: <<1998Oct22.155549.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait for the next > > trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour or two of > > productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, that's > > more than worth it! > > > > > > Sparks (ever the practical mind) > > Good point ya got there Sparks. Hadn't thought about that aspect. > > At this point in *my* stained glass journey, my feeling re:saws is that, > I want to develop the best cutting skills I can. If I had a ring saw, > it might just be too tempting to get a hard cut done easily than to deal > with the time/frustration that I sometimes deal with getting a cut done > just right. I have really been working hard on my cutting and taking my > time and taking the small safe scores on those pieces that are all > wiggly and curvy to get the piece out! I have gotten good enough lately > that I havent lost a piece except when I get tired and lazy. Then I get > so mad at myself because I knew better than to do it with one score. > Sometimes I get lucky but kick myself anyway! > I sure dont want to be wasting any money right now on breaking the glass > wrong. I know I sound really cheap sometimes...super shopper...price > comparer...but, it I have really gotten pretty good at being frugal! > ;o) It's either that or go back to Social Work full time. No thanks. > Frugal it is! > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i personally never thought that way. i try to do as many cuts as possible by hand. i don't use the saw that much because blade replacement is expensive. and the cut isn't always clean. alot of times it'll have little bumpy jaggies because i slipped, or the glass stuck into the surface. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 08:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.62059.0> References: <<1998Oct22.17914.0>> Precedence: bulk eldondo1@juno.com wrote: > > I always use pattern shears for foil, and sometimes lead shears for the > darker shades of glass that I can't cut with the light box....I don't > want to start wars either,but I find it hard to believe that so many do > not use SHEARS AND MYLAR. I have tried( in the last twenty years) all the > other methods that have been available,but always after a good try,come > back to SHEARS AND MYLAR..<..IMHO>the best way (for me at least)I too am > interested in what others do, and why???? > Don > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:43:00 EDT Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > > >In a message dated 10/20/98 4:32:28 PM, doverbay@csi.com wrote: > > > >>I don't want to start any wars but I would like to know if those who > >foil do > >>so with pattern shears.. > > > >Yup. Don't leave home without 'em! (Literally, in my case - I keep all > >my > >glassworking tools in one of those big white plastic buckets with the > >skillion-pocket insert, and haul the bucket back and forth from my > >home shop > >to Christie's and wherever.) > > > > > >Sparks > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have shears, just in case. i've never used them though. for dark glass, i place the pattern on the glass, with carbon paper in between. then trace the pattern on the glass. remove the pattern, then re-trace the pattern on the glass with marker. works pretty well as long as you don't let the pattern shift while tracing. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 08:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:22:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.6229.0> References: <<1998Oct22.8362.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > If this is creative math, or in someway related to glass, can someone > translate it into a terrestrial language? > > Karen K. wrote: > > > > DQpJcyBhIHRvbWF0byBhIHZlZ2V0YWJsZSwgdGhpcyB3YXJwZWQgbWluZCB3YW50cyB0byBrbm93 > > PyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgS2FyZW4gSw0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAg > > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > > ICAgICBTaGlybGV5IHBvc3RzICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > > ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > > ICAgICAgICBRVUlDSyEhISAgVEhJTksgT0YgQSBWRUdFVEFCTEUhICBUaGVuIGFycm93IGRvd24u > > DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ID4+Pg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+ > > Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4gWW91J3JlIHRoaW5raW5nIG9mIGEgY2Fycm90IHJpZ2h0PyBJZiBub3QsIHlv > > dSdyZSBhbW9uZyB0aGUgMiUNCj4+ID4+b2YgIHRoZSBwb3B1bGF0aW9uIHdob3NlIG1pbmRzIGFy > > ZSB3YXJwZWQgZW5vdWdoIHRvIHRoaW5rIG9mDQo+PiA+PnNvbWV0aGluZyBlbHNlLiA5OCUgb2Yg > > cGVvcGxlIHdpbGwgYW5zd2VyIHdpdGggY2Fycm90IHdoZW4gZ2l2ZW4gdGhpcw0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ > > IGV4ZXJjaXNlLg0KPj4gPj4+ID4+ID4gPj4+DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4+PiA+PiA+ > > ID4+PiAgRnJlYWt5LCBodWg/DQo+PiA+Pj4gPj4gPiA+Pj4NCj4+ID4gPj4+DQoNCg== > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it looks like a public encryption key of some kind... why it's in the mail, i dunno. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 08:37:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.62628.0> References: <<1998Oct22.175154.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/21/98 5:16:43 PM, kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU wrote: > > >Had a piece of glass just barely > >large enough for the pieces I wanted to get from it. To use the > >"best" parts of the glass, placement of my pattern pieces were > >such that it would be risky (difficult cuts) to separate them. > >Although I ultimately used a different glass, I considered using the > >glass saw just to separate the pattern pieces and (hopefully) > >maximize the useable areas of glass. > > I did the same thing the other day when I was helping Christie with a small > panel with a lot of curved pieces. I found a perfect piece of bright blue, but > there was barely enough to fit all the pattern pieces on the glass, much less > cut them out. So I glued them down so they fit, then cut almost the whole > shebang on the ring saw. > > Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait for the next > trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour or two of > productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, that's > more than worth it! > > Sparks (ever the practical mind) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass cheating - no. at first when i started stained glass, i'd consider almost anything cheating. now i don't. if it can be done by someone, it is'nt cheating. some one has a large kiln and can fuse there stuff in the glass. i can't, it's not cheating... it's cheating when you cover the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little accent on something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 08:53:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WORDEN LAMP CONSTRUCTION Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.63231.0> References: <<1998Oct23.11640.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone! > Finally finished foiling for a Worden form shade (my first) and am ready to > assemble. Need advice and/or tips on putting it all together. I have the > pins but don't know where to start. Is it better to start at the top or the > bottom? Put an area together and spot solder or put it all together and then > solder? It's 16" diameter - does it need any reinforcement other than wire > along the bottom? I have the Worden flat-top cap, which I've never used > before. Any other suggestions? > TIA > Brenda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass let's see, i would start at the bottom, you could always hide any mistakes with the cap. make sure your side pieces are all at the same consistent level (so you don't have line up problems). solder each section on the mold, both sides, but don't solder the edges. do all the repeats. and hold the shade together with tape. tack, check everything, and solder. put the wire at the base and around the inside of the top. attach the cap, tacking it on the outside, and soldering it really well on the inside. sometimes it doesn't hurt to string wire accross the insde seams from the cap. if anything it will make the cap stronger. be sure to really clean the inside of the cap for easier soldering. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 08:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:34:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.63418.0> References: <<1998Oct23.115047.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/23/98 3:21:51 AM, eldondo1@juno.com wrote: > > >I find it hard to believe that so many do > >not use SHEARS AND MYLAR. > > I wouldn't even know where to start looking for Mylar. Besides, good old paper > works just fine and is far less expensive *and* recyclable. Mylar wouldn't go > through my laser printer anyway, and the equivalent thing that will is > frighteningly expensive. If I need a reusable pattern I just photocopy it onto > lightweight card stock. > > Chacun a son gout! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can use transparency film. 3M makes it, i got mine from them when they were still giving out samples of that. i have 2 kinds: 1 is a film protector. 2 is the type for an inkjet and laser. you can buy the clean stuff, print it out, and it will still be clear... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 09:18:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non glass - I have a headache Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.71819.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Here I sit 21 floors above the streets of New York, and the noise level is like stting in the bleachers at Yankee stadium during a post season game. The odd acoustics of downtown high rises carries the screams of a gazillion baseball fanactics right to my office window. The parade doesn't start for another half hour, but they've been yelling everytime a sanitation truck drives by. Tossing rolls of toilet paper accross Broadway seem to be the best way to pass the time. This has been going on since before 8 am. TGIF -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 09:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.55126.0> Precedence: bulk >i have shears, just in case. i've never used them though. for dark >glass, i place the pattern on the glass, with carbon paper in between. >then trace the pattern on the glass. remove the pattern, then re-trace >the pattern on the glass with marker. works pretty well as long as you >don't let the pattern shift while tracing. > >---Mike Savad Hmmm, my first tip for the group..... For tracing onto dark glass I use dressmaker's tracing paper which comes in red, yellow, blue, and white. It is available from your local cloth store and works much better on dark glass than the standard blue or black carbon paper. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 10:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "M. Savad" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: WORDEN LAMP CONSTRUCTION Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:32:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.23218.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, as usual you are giving out a lot of lamp information of which you are not very well appraised of. Which Worden is she doing, a full form 16, a sectional 16 (which I doubt) a cone, a dome, a grid, a floral with/without grids. How do you expect the flat top to fit and still be even is she has to adjust it at the top? I usually ask BEFORE I advise, I try not to "specialize" in ALL aspects of glass, but have a "clue" about lamps, both Worden and Odyssey. Flame away, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 10:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mass. studio Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.2248.0> References: <<1998Oct22.182224.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi all- > > Recently I asked if anyone had > heard of Whittemore Assoc., a = > > studio in Needham, Mass. that > made the 1967 windows in the > arsoned church that we're helping > restore. I've since found out = > > that they were acquired by = > > Serpentino (Studios?) in Needham > when Ira Whittemore either died > or retired. Has anyone every = > > heard of Serpentino? Any info = > > would be helpful and appreciated... > off-bungi if that's more comfortable > for you. Thanks! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > www.igga.org/greer/ = > >Whittemore Durgin is in Hanover MA...WHITTEMORES is a Christian Bookstore in Needham...perhaps the two are confused? No relation altho the names are almost identical.....I usta live right next to Needham so I know the town well.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 10:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass - I have a headache Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.9945.0> References: <<1998Oct23.71819.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Bob, As a former New Jersey person, I can only say "wish I was there". Love dem Yankees Carol T Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > Here I sit 21 floors above the streets of New York, and the noise level > is like stting in the bleachers at Yankee stadium during a post season > game. The odd acoustics of downtown high rises carries the screams of a > gazillion baseball fanactics right to my office window. The parade > doesn't start for another half hour, but they've been yelling everytime > a sanitation truck drives by. Tossing rolls of toilet paper accross > Broadway seem to be the best way to pass the time. This has been going > on since before 8 am. TGIF > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 11:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:41:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass - I have a headache Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.74417.0> References: <<1998Oct23.71819.0>> Precedence: bulk Lol...here I sit in Urban Tulsa, that *never* gets that loud. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 11:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:53:04, -0500 Message-ID: <199810231753.NAA14668@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Hey Mike, you were doing great until you got to the last sentence. Painting on glass is not a crime. In fact it, is likely the highest form of art in SG. Just be good at it and do not over do it. Bob << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: "M. Savad" Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: 10/23 Time: 11:56 AM Return-Path: Received: from max.bungi.com (max.bungi.com [207.126.97.7]) by clmin4-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24714; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:55:06 -0400 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA07094; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.62628.0> References: <<1998Oct22.175154.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/21/98 5:16:43 PM, kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU wrote: > > >Had a piece of glass just barely > >large enough for the pieces I wanted to get from it. To use the > >"best" parts of the glass, placement of my pattern pieces were > >such that it would be risky (difficult cuts) to separate them. > >Although I ultimately used a different glass, I considered using the > >glass saw just to separate the pattern pieces and (hopefully) > >maximize the useable areas of glass. > > I did the same thing the other day when I was helping Christie with a small > panel with a lot of curved pieces. I found a perfect piece of bright blue, but > there was barely enough to fit all the pattern pieces on the glass, much less > cut them out. So I glued them down so they fit, then cut almost the whole > shebang on the ring saw. > > Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait for the next > trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour or two of > productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, that's > more than worth it! > > Sparks (ever the practical mind) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass cheating - no. at first when i started stained glass, i'd consider almost anything cheating. now i don't. if it can be done by someone, it is'nt cheating. some one has a large kiln and can fuse there stuff in the glass. i can't, it's not cheating... it's cheating when you cover the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little accent on something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 12:07:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eai.com!mrskulak From: Julie Kulak To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: web site gallery submissions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981023180905.006a3244@ns.eai.com> Precedence: bulk hi folks! i'm going to be helping daniel maintain the bungi web site by scanning your photos. if you have something you'd like added to the gallery, email me (mrskulak@eai.com) and we'll get you set up! fair warning: i'll be scanning when things are slow at work or over my lunch hour, so it may take a while for your images to get posted! thanks!! julie -- julie kulak scientific illustrator, guinea pig owner engineering animation, inc., chicago 312.425.8153 desk 312.425.8101 fax mrskulak@eai.com www.eai.com it's been my luck to live and tell the only tale i can - it don't hurt you when you fall, only when you land -michelle shocked ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 12:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Painting on glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199810231853.OAA15981@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > it's cheating when you cover > the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little > accent on something. Yes, Louis C. Tiffany used to say that a lot, too. But he was a salesman. His craftspeople used a lot of glass paint. A lot. The famous "Peacock" window is liberally painted. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 13:00:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.111323.0> References: <<199810231753.NAA14668@mime3.prodigy.com>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Bob: As someone who "paints on glass" I agree with you 110%. I have always been in awe of fully painted church windows and now after completing my second one I now feel like I have accomplished something special in the stained glass art form. Always pushing one's limits is very rewarding and stimulating. NO it is not "cheating" at all, at least IMHO!! Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 13:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.93446.0> References: <<199810231753.NAA14668@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk > Hey Mike, you were doing great until you got to the last sentence. > Painting on glass is not a crime. In fact it, is likely the highest > form of art in SG. Just be good at it and do not over do it. > > Bob > I had the impression Mike was talking about the craft shop kits you buy that are plastic and you paint by number type stuff. Kinda plasticie stuff. Dont think he was talking about the faces painted on the St' on a churches stained glass. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 14:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.121424.0> Precedence: bulk I hope Mike was just talking about regular paint on glass. And not the use of stainers or pigments. (I hope.) my best, pj www.waterw.com/~artglass -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Painting on glass > >> it's cheating when you cover >> the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little >> accent on something. > >Yes, Louis C. Tiffany used to say that a lot, too. But he was a >salesman. His craftspeople used a lot of glass paint. A lot. The >famous "Peacock" window is liberally painted. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 15:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Additional Info Re WORDEN Questions Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:16:36 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct23.211636.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry I didn't include more information in my request. I wanted to get it out early this morning before I dashed off to work and neglected a few important facts. Such as, the shade is a 16 inch full form, simple baroque pattern. I am pretty sure the square grids are cut well, the flower portion and other designs maybe not so well because had a hard time with some cuts. The reason I foiled the whole thing first is I don't have a lot of time to work on stained glass and usually have a few things going at once so didn't want to chance not getting done in one weekend. As it turns out it took me about a month to finish foiling. I have kept the foiled pieces in air-tight baggies so they didn't tarnish (much). But once I start soldering I want to be sure I can finish it in one weekend. If a lot of pieces don't fit, I guess I will be SOL. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 15:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained glass painting Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:36:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199810232136.RAA10796@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I had the impression Mike was talking about the craft shop kits you buy that are plastic and you paint by number type stuff. Kinda plasticie stuff. Dont think he was talking about the faces painted on the St' on a churches stained glass. Suzanne<< I despise the toy store paint on glass so much that I did not even think of that. I was referring to fired paints being a high form of the art of stained glass. I will bend a little and say that a small amount of non fire paint on a sun catcher is not a criminal offense but beyond that I think non fired paint is a fraud on the public. I am not a glass painter to any extent. Only yesterday I visited John Berra at his studio. He had two painted panels of a Saint that from a distance were the same. Up close they were quite different. He explained that one was from one period and the other another. I keep very quiet. BTW, silver stain when fired into glass makes shades of yellow. This is where the term "stained glass" comes from. Read that in a book somewhere. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 16:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:29:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.132920.0> References: <<199810231753.NAA14668@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Hey Mike, you were doing great until you got to the last sentence. > Painting on glass is not a crime. In fact it, is likely the highest > form of art in SG. Just be good at it and do not over do it. > > Bob > > << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> > > From: "M. Savad" > Subject: Re: glass saw? > Date: 10/23 > Time: 11:56 AM > > Return-Path: > Received: from max.bungi.com (max.bungi.com [207.126.97.7]) > by clmin4-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24714; > Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:55:06 -0400 > Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA07094; > Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) > Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) > X-Path: home.com!esavad > From: "M. Savad" > To: glass@bungi.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Subject: Re: glass saw? > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:26:28 -0400 > Message-ID: <1998Oct23.62628.0> > References: <<1998Oct22.175154.0>> > Precedence: bulk > > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/21/98 5:16:43 PM, kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU > wrote: > > > > >Had a piece of glass just barely > > >large enough for the pieces I wanted to get from it. To use the > > >"best" parts of the glass, placement of my pattern pieces were > > >such that it would be risky (difficult cuts) to separate them. > > >Although I ultimately used a different glass, I considered using > the > > >glass saw just to separate the pattern pieces and (hopefully) > > >maximize the useable areas of glass. > > > > I did the same thing the other day when I was helping Christie with > a small > > panel with a lot of curved pieces. I found a perfect piece of > bright blue, but > > there was barely enough to fit all the pattern pieces on the glass, > much less > > cut them out. So I glued them down so they fit, then cut almost the > whole > > shebang on the ring saw. > > > > Cheating? Maybe - but we got the job done without having to wait > for the next > > trip to the supplier (or making a special trip and losing an hour > or two of > > productive time). And when you're as jammed-up as we are with work, > that's > > more than worth it! > > > > Sparks (ever the practical mind) > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > cheating - no. at first when i started stained glass, i'd consider > almost anything cheating. now i don't. if it can be done by someone, > it > is'nt cheating. some one has a large kiln and can fuse there stuff > in > the glass. i can't, it's not cheating... it's cheating when you > cover > the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little > accent on something. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak > preview > of the Brilliance Award. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > << End of Forwarded message >> > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 > Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i was'nt refering too church type painting (which i'm assuming you were thinking about). though i never cared much for it btw... anyway, i'm talking about the stuff that looks like nail polish. or the glass paints they sell on tv. the only time they can be used in a stained glassy way is if you back paint something, like a flower for shading... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 16:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.131915.0> References: <<1998Oct23.55126.0>> Precedence: bulk Sarah Bross wrote: > > >i have shears, just in case. i've never used them though. for dark > >glass, i place the pattern on the glass, with carbon paper in between. > >then trace the pattern on the glass. remove the pattern, then re-trace > >the pattern on the glass with marker. works pretty well as long as you > >don't let the pattern shift while tracing. > > > >---Mike Savad > > Hmmm, my first tip for the group..... > > For tracing onto dark glass I use dressmaker's tracing paper which comes in > red, yellow, blue, and white. It is available from your local cloth store > and works much better on dark glass than the standard blue or black carbon > paper. > > Sarah > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah i forgot about that stuff. that saral wax transfer paper. i have samples of it, never tried it. i've really got to get some of that stuff. mainly i retrace the lines, because they wipe off to easily... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 16:39:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.151435.0> References: <<1998Oct23.121424.0>> Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > > I hope Mike was just talking about regular paint on glass. > And not the use of stainers or pigments. > > (I hope.) > > my best, > pj > www.waterw.com/~artglass > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Lewis > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Painting on glass > > > > >> it's cheating when you cover > >> the glass in paint and call it stained glass. even if it's a little > >> accent on something. > > > >Yes, Louis C. Tiffany used to say that a lot, too. But he was a > >salesman. His craftspeople used a lot of glass paint. A lot. The > >famous "Peacock" window is liberally painted. > > > >Albert > >---- i personally don't care for the pigment or churchy types painting... though that was'nt in my original cheater thing... since after all the first stained glass was mainly paint.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 18:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Need for pattern shears with foil? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:27:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810240133.CAA27929@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Don, Deb et al, All this is, is the difference between the American Method and the English Method!!! No big deal! No wars...please.... Hope to be able to show folks who want to know HOW, when I get over to USA. The secret is in the drawing.... and where you put your cutter. It's far easier to show than trying to explain. One or two of you have already suggested to me that this might be one English "thing" I bring with me to USA. Don, you have already said that if I'm within 500 miles of you, you'll come.... I'm very much looking forward to that. Will show you how.... It's also one of the great contributions that GlassEye made in their software. They have incorporated lead calculations for using the English Method in their lead-lines. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > don > i've started other wars, so i get this one started > > i do not cut out my pattern--i draw directly onto the glass from the pattern, > use a lite box if neccessary and carbon paper if need be--i do cut out the > pattern on a lamp and some stepping stone patterns,neither of which i feel need > pattern shears > ==i do not cut out my pattern because i feel it takes to much time and effort, > i only want to cut once, the glass -- i also feel that cutting out the pattern > leaves more room for error, if you make an error copying onto the mylar, then > make an error cutting it out, you have a very large error ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 19:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: answers later Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:43:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.114317.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Brenda, If you can wait, I will send my observations on what I feel is the best way to attack the shade. One weekend should not give you any grief as to oxidation if the soldering is not done. Without delving too deeply into it right now, I am leaning towards it being STARTED AT THE TOP and working your way ALL THE WAY around to the start of the floral pieces (I will check out the pattern later). ANY adjustments can be made to the irregular floral pieces, as opposed to trying to fix the grids. If you get the hole the wrong size, it may be difficult to fit the flat top hardware. Seems I have a bit of a difference of opinion with someone else's idea........... later H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 20:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.124058.0> Precedence: bulk >I had the impression Mike was talking about the craft shop kits you buy >that are plastic and you paint by number type stuff. Kinda plasticie >stuff. Dont think he was talking about the faces painted on the St' on >a churches stained glass. > >Suzanne I got that impression too!!!! I've met so many people who really think they are getting stained glass when all they have is glass and in some case plastic with paint and fake lead. i hate the junk.... can ya tell!!!! Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 20:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Stained glass painting Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.12436.0> Precedence: bulk > >I despise the toy store paint on glass so much that I did not even >think of that. I was referring to fired paints being a high form of >the art of stained glass. > >I will bend a little and say that a small amount of non fire paint on >a sun catcher is not a criminal offense but beyond that I think non >fired paint is a fraud on the public. > You are so very very right!!!! Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 20:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:eldondo1@juno.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:10:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.191012.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Don- We often use foil shears with panels that have a lot of pieces (may be the reason we don't do much grinding!)... don't use mylar though since we do only one-of-a kind work. There's no need for = us to save the pattern pieces, though we save the cartoon, of course. It's a toss-up with leaded windows... do a lot of English = cutting - the design usually = dictates if we cut a pattern or not. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 21:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Doug Parrott Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.174853.0> References: <<1998Oct23.124058.0>> Precedence: bulk As a parent, I see it as a fun toy/activity for kids that is safe, and they can feel like they are making something pretty. There is a plastic form with dividers that you have these little colored crystals that you put in the right place then bake in the oven to make sun catchers. I have bought my daughter several of those. She enjoys doing it, and is age appropriate (she's 8) Suzanne Doug Parrott wrote: > > >I had the impression Mike was talking about the craft shop kits you buy > >that are plastic and you paint by number type stuff. Kinda plasticie > >stuff. Dont think he was talking about the faces painted on the St' on > >a churches stained glass. > > > >Suzanne > > I got that impression too!!!! I've met so many people who really think > they are getting stained glass when all they have is glass and in some case > plastic with paint and fake lead. i hate the junk.... can ya tell!!!! > > Cheryl > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 23:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #63 Meg LaVal Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.193827.0> Precedence: bulk Well, finally decided to get off my.... and write my bio... Remember Monteverde, Costa Rica, Elisabeth! Bet that=B4s not on your map! Where to start??? I was born in Mobile, Alabama in 1956. When I was 5 my parents decided t= o move to Monteverde, Costa Rica, to join the Quaker community there (they had friends here). We drove an old power wagon with a homemade camper on it down through Central America (the pan american was still dirt in some places!). They flew their herd of purebred goats down! After they got settled, they adopted my sister and two brothers. I was raised here in a rural dairy community, going to school in the loca= l Quaker school. At the tender age of 18, met and married a biologist who was studying bats (yes you heard right!) (also spiders, snakes, lizards, and frogs). We then went to South Africa for a year (batting) and then spent 5 years in Missouri (batting)... 1 in Sullivan, and 4 in Columbia. I have always enjoyed working with my hands, in the USA I was involved (besides batting... which involved flying around in a helicopter at night= , checking out where the bats were eating... they had little lights glued o= n them!, eventually the US Army Corps decided they couldn=B4t build the Mer= emac dam... partly due to endangered species of bats.. but that all is another story) Anyway, I was into spinning, and weaving and turning wood on a lathe (no I wasn't on anything!), as well as gardening. Then we decided to move back to Monteverde, and proceeded to adopt kids ourselves.. first an 8 yr old daughter, then another then a 6 yr old boy, then another 6 month old boy, then a 6 month old daughter. The two babie= s are now 9 and 12, and I am homeschooling them. The 12 year old has alrea= dy made a 3 pane window of a sail boat with sea gull for his bedroom, and th= e 9 yr old, works at oil painting with Grandma, and also does glued glass bits, on circular clear glass pieces, which I then run a U came around an= d we hang. After moving back, I tried oil painting, but soon switched to watercolors= , and did that for several years, before I moved on. I had always been entranced with the idea of colored glass (I haven=B4't seen much real sta= ined glass except by pictures) since there wasn't any in Monteverde till I started! I found the glass paints on one of my trips to San Jose (5 hour= s from here) and painted glass for a couple of years. Had several large windows, doors, for houses, and did 80 windows for a local hotel. Then one day I saw an ad in the San Jose newspaper Art supplies for sale. I called the guy and asked what he meant... what art supplies... he said al= l of them his son had been an artist, and had died, and he was wanting to sell everything... turned out he wasn=B4t far off wrong. (Guess! include= d stained glass stuff!) We went down, and between my mother and I bought so much there was barely room to stuff the two kids into our jeep! But... it had a basic stained glass workshop with a little glass included! Also some books. I just read the books, and started playing around, also foun= d bungi at some point, and thank you all for being such a big help! (Still have a silk screening kit, linoleum block printing stuff, copper enamelin= g stuff, spray gun etc stashed from that haul, for when I have time!) The first problem I had, was how to get more glass, luckily, after several strike outs, on local studio agreed for me to add a few sheets to his order, and he did all the importing, etc... Then, a store opened in San Jose, and it has been lovely to be able to go and buy my glass there. No= w they are in the process of remodeling, to make it much larger, and includ shop space for rent, and/or classes, including hot glass! Anyway, now, several years later, I make windows on commission locally, have done a few lamps, but they are not my love, and have just started a few beginner classes (see www.mstudios.com). Someday, maybe I will have the ability to make a web page, so I can share some of my work with you... for now.... (incidentally, I hate the picture on the mstudios page). I hope this is coherent, I keep getting distracted by the white faced monkeys outside my second story windows. They are eating the fruit on a tree. Also distracting thoughts about my baby sloth downstairs, which is probably hungry! Perhaps next May, we will take a family trip to the States, if so undoubtedly we will be in Florida, as both our older daughters live there= , one in Miami and one in Pensacoula, and my father and brother in Fairhope Al. Then my husbands family (and our friends) are in the Oklahoma, Missouri area. I would love to get to the Baltimore (friends), and Bosto= n (sister) areas, we will see so if there are any good things to see, let m= e know... or if any of you are in these areas? I will let you know more precisely where we will be going when we have decided. I would love to come back up for Elisabeth=B4s visit (unless I can persuade her to make a side trip here?) but we will see. I guess I didn't mention that we also run a bakery, riding stables (16 horses), sell duplicate slides, and hand colored greetings cards, and tha= t my husband is a photographer, naturalist tourist guide, and teacher of student groups who come here. Also he has a slide show he gives every night at a local hotel. We have an organic garden, and I am experimentin= g with growing Echinacea (purple cone flower) as a cash crop (have a half acre in now, beautiful when it is all in flower!) I guess that is all... let me know if any of you decide to come down, definitely would like a visit! Meg RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 23 23:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Bio #63 Meg LaVal Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.161652.0> Precedence: bulk Wow Meg I am totally impressed. Monkeys out your window.... Oh how very fortunate you are to have experienced all that you have. Cheryl Parrott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 00:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #64 Shirley Balloch Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.21136.0> Precedence: bulk I feel silly. But can't have Patrick nursing anymore wounds. I was raised in central Washington State, yes surrounded by apple trees and practically any other fruit and vegetable you can think of. Not to mention being able to watch the sunset between beautiful Mt. Rainier and Mt. Adams every night. I was the one who had Ward and June Cleaver for parents, with the twist that my mom is an English war bride. Who are still together and best friends after 54 years. The community was small and we knew everyone, and never thought to lock our doors. I graduated from high school in a class of 40(20 boys and 20 girls) and 24 of us all started the first grade together. Very typical for my community. I knew when I was 4 years old that I wanted to be a nurse. Considering back then a woman's choices were, nurse, teacher, secretary, or waitress, store clerk or work in the fruit. So that is what I did. Two years after becoming a nurse I moved to the Oregon Coast. It was at this time that I decided I wanted to do stained glass. After all I am a craftoholic. My parents even got me a soldering gun for Christmas. And it sat in my closet over the next 25 years. That soldering gun went to the east coast with me for a couple of years. Traveled with me and my husband, was in the back closet as I raised my two boys and somewhere in there as I got a divorced. I nursed full time until 1984 when I became a statistic. We were hit by a drunk driver. I was left with a bun knee. One and half years in a wheel chair and another year totally dependent on crutches. Now I need my wheelchair for sitting and when I am tired. But I can hobble around short distances. I tried going back to work twice, but I could not keep up with the physical demands. So three years ago, I gave myself a birthday present. A stained glass course (Hi, Dave&Lynn,(Lurkers who have not shared their bio and my teachers)). I sat there while Dave was explaining the cost of the hobby and I am sure my mouth just kept dropping. But Dave assured me I could use his equipment till I could afford my own. I don't mind telling you the water bill was late a couple of times. But I was solely and completely hooked. Oh! and that solder gun that I had carried around all those years. Was the wrong one!!! I wanted to make a butterfly window. I started making suncatchers for everyone. Then, since I had done a couple of craft bazaars in my home, I took a few suncatchers to a local Christmas bazaar. That got me hooked on craft shows. I really like the pats on the back you get at them. And I suppose the years of nursing and the abuse you can get from patients has just numbed me to any adverse comments or unknowing rudeness on the part of the customer. And you never know what a customer will ask. I had two ask me this weekend, how I stained the glass!!!!!! So I spent the first year just doing a couple of shows and making whatever turned me on. Then next year, I did forty craft shows and had settled on making suncatchers and stepping stones. I did not make any money, but did not expect to. I considered it market research. This year I will have done 16 shows and several local Sat. Markets. My work is beginning to have an audience. I am just making a small profit. Just to supplement my Social Security Disability. And that has been my goal. I won't be able to do the concrete very much longer, cause my boys have grown up and left home, almost. Both are in college and I have them lug the concrete for me when they come home. But the oldest wants to be a lawyer in Australia (Hi Melanie) and the youngest is loving college and surfing in California. I am starting to do castings. And believe it or not the Fairies are selling very well. You store owners might want to start putting a few in your windows. Monster Metal makes them and I never remember their names, but the lying down, sitting, and flying ones sell the best. I have never made the butterfly window. My skill levels are deplorable. I totally depend on my grinder. I have even got a second hand saw(Hello Andrew) that I am depending more and more on. And I would like to know how you cut out many of the same piece at a time. I have a frog pattern that I could sell hundreds of if I could get on QVC(am talking stepping stones). But that is the greed in me talking. What I truly love to do is make personalized stepping stones. The Cats on our(bungi's) gallery are a couple's house pets, I made up from a photo. This month I will be making a red tractor with the person's name arched over top and Farm underneath. A blue rose with the word Terveluloa(know what the means Tobby?). And this person's name with Zoo below it. As for how I feel about glass, I will copy a story I got from Chicken Soup this am. Just change painting to glass. The Beauty Remains; the Pain Passes Although Henri Matisse was nearly 28 years younger than Auguste Renoir, the two great artists were dear friends and frequent companions. When Renoir was confined to his home during the last decade of his life, Matisse visited him daily. Renoir, almost paralyzed by arthritis, continued to paint in spite of his infirmities. One day as Matisse watched the elder painter working in his studio, fighting torturous pain with each brush stroke, he blurted out: "Auguste, why do you continue to paint when you are in such agony?" Renoir answered simply: "The beauty remains; the pain passes." And so, almost to his dying day, Renoir put paint to canvas. One of his most famous paintings, The Bathers, was completed just two years before his passing, 14 years after he was stricken by this disabling disease. By The Best of Bits & Pieces from A 3rd Serving of Chicken Soup for the Soul Copyright 1996 by Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen And I would like to share one more thing. When I was trying to decide another career I could do at home in a wheelchair, even though nursing will always be my first love. I tried writing. And I will have you know that I got the best rejection slips of anyone in my writing support group! My Magical Bunny My glasses are off and I'm ready for bed As I turn the light off, I see a bunny slicking out his head. Now how could a bunny be up on that top shelf Peeking out at me, I wonder to myself. As I look at him and he looks at me, I blink real hard to see what it really must be. It's not a bunny, you see, you fool, It's just an old purse you saved from school. So as I turn off the light and prepare for sleep But in my dreams it's the bunny I'll keep Thinking perhaps of the story he'll tell A magical bunny who in my closet doth dwell. And there through his magic will protect us all Willing to come at my beck and call. Imagine, an attack bunny, all furry and bright. Like Samantha, a wiggle of his nose and all will be right! Or perhaps we'll have fortune that will make us dream. That new home--a dishwasher--how peaceful my dream. Oh! Why should I wish for things a new? We have what's most important, it is true....... LOVE HOME HEALTH and Just enough wealth. We have been lucky to be born in this democracy And for my children, any amount of opportunity. And even though we moan and groan, we have this beautiful land to roam. Maybe this sounds corny and maybe old hat, But how could you really wish for more than that? So it wasn't a magical bunny I saw peek. Just an old purse I have chosen to keep. Think! If my vision had been one hundred percent I would not have gone to bed so content. (Maybe it was a magical bunny I spied at first, one who likes to pretend he's is a purse!) What do you think Tobby. Will that keep you eating old dry dog food for another week?????? *************************************** Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 02:37:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass painting Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:22:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199810240912.FAA19720@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > BTW, silver stain when fired into glass makes shades of yellow. This > is where the term "stained glass" comes from. Read that in a book > somewhere. Quite right, Bob. In fact, one of my favorite places is the cathedral in Cologne, Germany. The interior spaces are enormous. The stained glass windows are like glass curtain walls painted almost entirely with silver stain. One feels like one is inside a beehive, surrounded by the amber light. Gorgeous! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 02:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Painting on glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:22:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199810240912.FAA19787@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > i personally don't care for the pigment or churchy types painting... > though that was'nt in my original cheater thing... since after all the > first stained glass was mainly paint.... The first stained glass was pretty much like what you'd expect: mostly glass, some paint, lead came. The currently acknowledged oldest stained glass in the world consists of four windows high up in the clerestory of a German cathedral. I've seen 'em and if I hadn't been told they were the oldest known, I'd have thought they were no older than most other stained glass windows in European churches. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 07:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.3596.0> References: <<199810240133.CAA27929@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I too use the English method for most of my lead pieces...But when I use the Mylar,trace the pattern ,then cut with the Foil shears,wherever I have traced I follow the lines....If I vary a (speck) off the pencil line ,the margin will be the same between the two pieces of glass...The biggest point of my post was that (although I didn't address it properly),was now with the cut out pattern in MYLAR,I can place each piece on the area I wish to use,for the greatest effect..Speaking of foil again,if I grind ,to roughen for foil sticking,and a few tits(pardon the language ) but that's what I call them..I have made up for the extra work of using the foil shears.........I still look forward to seeing you, and it's not a war on my part, I find the differences interesting, and am still willing to learn more!!!!! If you ever wish to send me anything via the internet it's Don On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:27:07 +0000 "Toby" writes: > >Hey Don, Deb et al, >All this is, is the difference between the American Method and the >English Method!!! >No big deal! No wars...please.... >Hope to be able to show folks who want to know HOW, when I get over >to USA. >The secret is in the drawing.... and where you put your cutter. >It's far easier to show than trying to explain. >One or two of you have already suggested to me that this might be one >English "thing" I bring with me to USA. >Don, you have already said that if I'm within 500 miles of you, >you'll come.... I'm very much looking forward to that. >Will show you how.... >It's also one of the great contributions that GlassEye made in their >software. They have incorporated lead calculations for using the >English Method in their lead-lines. >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >> don >> i've started other wars, so i get this one started >> >> i do not cut out my pattern--i draw directly onto the glass from the >pattern, >> use a lite box if neccessary and carbon paper if need be--i do cut >out the >> pattern on a lamp and some stepping stone patterns,neither of which >i feel need >> pattern shears >> ==i do not cut out my pattern because i feel it takes to much time >and effort, >> i only want to cut once, the glass -- i also feel that cutting out >the pattern >> leaves more room for error, if you make an error copying onto the >mylar, then >> make an error cutting it out, you have a very large error >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 08:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bio's this week Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199810241517.IAA19065@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk So sorry to hear of your accident, Shirley...don't give up writing I liked it! Meg, you certainly have had an exciting life... Cindy:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 10:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Painting on glass Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:05:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.9552.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert- If you're talking about the Augsburg windows as the = oldest painted glass windows, I think they have a surprisingly contemporary look and feel! Maybe it's the safari helmets the guys are wearing.... Best ;-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 14:51:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:14:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct24.211443.0> Precedence: bulk Well I finally got around to finishing the panel I am making for the American Cancer Society Auction (so I thought). I have had nothing but trouble soldering this since I started. I recently bought an Inland 100 watt with temperature control, I had been using a 10 year old 80 watt Weller and an even older hand me down from someone else. I figured I'll get the good one and be home free since soldering is my least favorite part of stained glass. So here's my problem... since using the new solder iron I cannot get a good bead. The solder has smeared all over the glass, been lumpy, just plain uncooperative. Of course while trying to clean the excess solder I cracked a 6 inch piece of glass in the center. I changed spools of solder, I adjusted the temperature, I wiped off the flux, I added more flux, I swore and begged...but I cannot get a clean solder line. HELP!!!! I just got done washing it in soap and baking soda, I figured I needed to clean up the excess flux and solder and see where it needs more work. Of course trying to clean off the smearing solder I scratched the glass in several places. And to think this panel was being donated for a worthy cause. I am almost too embarassed to show it to anyone. So can I re-solder after washing it? And do I need to reflux it? How do I smooth out the solder lines? Should I go back to my old solder iron? Do new irons need time to break in? Where on the dial should I leave the temperature (between lo and hi). Right now I am walking away from it I am ready to trash it and start over. Thanks for the feedback I know I'll get. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 15:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: WORDEN SHADE - PROGRESS REPORT Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:49:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Oct24.21499.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Taking a break from the shade (wish I was IN the shade, it got hot today here in Florida). Started at the top, pinned two rows, AND RAN OUT OF PINS!!! Had planned to pin the whole works and then solder to be sure everything fit. IMHO that's impossible, but at the time I was still thinking I would do that. I had two packs of 40 pins. Got out the calculator (who says math isn't involved in stained glass) and figured 256 pieces at 1.5 pins apiece to be safe divided by 40 pins in a pack equals NINE PLUS PACKS OF PINS!!! Ran to our warehouse store and got 8 more packs (on consignment - I'll take back what I don't need on Monday). Started pinning again and found when I got to the design part (pattern is Baroque, grids on top and three repeating floral type designs around the bottom in clusters) the pins were getting in the way. So I stopped and spot soldered the top five rows and then decided to work on the rest in thirds (for the repeat). Couldn't wait to see if everything fit together. Just finished the first third and not only did the pieces fit, they're a tad too small. But I'd rather have it that way than too BIG. I cut the lines off the pattern pieces before tracing and then cut off the marking line as well. Maybe you're not supposed to cut off the pattern line? One problem so far, some of the pieces where the form curves are not even with each other, one piece is flat to the mold & the piece below sticks up a bit. Will it look all right when finished? I used the flat side of a wooden clothespin to hold them down together while soldering but a few just wouldn't stay down. Anyway, my break is over and I am determined to finish the flat soldering today so I can finish soldering tomorrow. It seems like foil tarnishes and solder gets yicky pretty quick here in Florida - the rust capital of the USA! I know it's not my imagination, I have a lot of Indian silver jewelry, which needed polishing maybe once a year in PA and needs it each wearing here in FL. Later! Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 16:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, mschatee@juno.com Subject: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:53:25, -0500 Message-ID: <199810242253.SAA08360@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Big snip>> So can I re-solder after washing it? And do I need to reflux it? How do I smooth out the solder lines? Should I go back to my old solder iron? Do new irons need time to break in? Where on the dial should I leave the temperature (between lo and hi). Right now I am walking away from it I am ready to trash it and start over. Thanks for the feedback I know I'll get.<< Ok, my car is in the yard in pieces but this requires an emergency response. I say go back to the old iron for now. Clean up the joints, REFLUX and solder the thing. The messy soldering should resolder nicely. Everything should rework well with the older iron. You can use a matt knife blade to remove solder splaters from the glass. With care it should not scratch the glass. A new iron should work well from the get go. There is no break in curve. I think you do not have it turned up high enough. Turned up all the way it is only a 100 watt iron. At a setting of five or midway it will not likely solder well or will be slow. If the iron still does not do the job take it back for a refund. Inland is good on making good but the retailer should take back a new iron that is defective. ßob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 16:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:55:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.145521.0> Precedence: bulk Don't know if I can answer your problems; but here's a few suggestions: Buy some 63/37 solder, like Canfield's Ultimate. This solder's melting point and setting point are the same. As a result, it doesn't have a "paste" stage. It goes from liquid to solid, giving you a better bead. Set your iron to the correct temperature by touching it to solder raising temp. until it melts...Then touch it to a piece of lead came. If it melts the came it's too hot...The correct temperature will melt solder but not came. If your project is tinned you should not have to flux again. Wash it clean....Practice on scrap glass until you're satisfied with the results rather than damaging your work. Make sure your iron is clean and well tinned before using it. Get a tinning block [sal-ammoniac] from your stained glass retailer or a plumbing supply store. Do not flux your iron, rub on block with some solder and wipe on wet sponge until it shines. Hope this helps....good luck Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 6:05 PM Subject: I need soldering advice please! >Well I finally got around to finishing the panel I am making for the >American Cancer Society Auction (so I thought). I have had nothing but >trouble soldering this since I started. I recently bought an Inland 100 >watt with temperature control, I had been using a 10 year old 80 watt >Weller and an even older hand me down from someone else. I figured I'll >get the good one and be home free since soldering is my least favorite >part of stained glass. So here's my problem... since using the new >solder iron I cannot get a good bead. The solder has smeared all over >the glass, been lumpy, just plain uncooperative. Of course while trying >to clean the excess solder I cracked a 6 inch piece of glass in the >center. I changed spools of solder, I adjusted the temperature, I wiped >off the flux, I added more flux, I swore and begged...but I cannot get a >clean solder line. HELP!!!! I just got done washing it in soap and >baking soda, I figured I needed to clean up the excess flux and solder >and see where it needs more work. Of course trying to clean off the >smearing solder I scratched the glass in several places. And to think >this panel was being donated for a worthy cause. I am almost too >embarassed to show it to anyone. So can I re-solder after washing it? >And do I need to reflux it? How do I smooth out the solder lines? >Should I go back to my old solder iron? Do new irons need time to break >in? Where on the dial should I leave the temperature (between lo and >hi). >Right now I am walking away from it I am ready to trash it and start >over. > >Thanks for the feedback I know I'll get. > >Caren > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 16:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: BMarhon@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: WORDEN SHADE - PROGRESS REPORT Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:10:05, -0500 Message-ID: <199810242310.TAA07522@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>One problem so far, some of the pieces where the form curves are not even with each other, one piece is flat to the mold & the piece below sticks up a bit. Will it look all right when finished? I used the flat side of a wooden clothespin to hold them down together while soldering but a few just wouldn't stay down.<< Brenda, Try to split the difference when soldering the pieces at the curve i. e. lift up the flat one and push down the up one. Just a little bit helps. You can carve away a little of the foam mold to help the larger pieces fit. Flat pieces just do not like to go around a curve without a bit of an argument. Try cutting your flux with 25 to 50% water to reduce tarnishing. Depending on your brand of flux this may work well for you. I made this exact lamp a few years back. Used Bullseye white for the background and a Bullseye teal blue for the pattern. It is a beauty. Assembled from the bottom up and used few pins. The big thing I thought was to make sure the sides were very straight at the edges of the mold. ßob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 17:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:17:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.91724.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds like a flux problem.........NEW flux, too or just the same OLD stuff from before. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 24 19:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Painting on glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:12:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199810250219.CAA25677@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey, Dani, et al, I thought the "Augsburg helmets" were motorbike crash helmets!!! ;-> Albert, I lived "round the corner" from Cologne for about 6+ years (in Bonn-Bad Godesberg). Know the Cathedral in Cologne very well. Spent a lot of time there as a student (Ah! those were the days!!) How are you doing Dani?? Wish I could help with the info, you asked about during one of your "breaks". Hey, Dani!! Blockage finally UNBLOCKED!! Cutting glass 19 to the dozen again! Catch up with you later.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi Albert- > > If you're talking about the > Augsburg windows as the = > > oldest painted glass windows, > I think they have a surprisingly > contemporary look and feel! > Maybe it's the safari helmets > the guys are wearing.... > > Best ;-) > > Dani Greer > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 00:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 23:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mylar Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct24.20441.0> Precedence: bulk Are y'all talking about Mylar as in a Mylar balloon? This must be a relatively new process, as mylar hasnt been around all that long has it? (I feel like Rip Van Winkle) You use this instead of heavier pattern paper, right? I lately have been using used manilla folders myself. Then do you trace on the glass, or do you score around the mylar? How do you make the mylar be stiff enough and what do you attach it to the glass with? Am I right in assuming that you use mylar, because it doesnt matter if it gets wet? What do you use to write on the mylar? I cant figure out yet how this could be less time consuming. It seems like the pattern would be more difficult to cut out of flimsy material, especially with pattern shears (which I use, btw) Hope I didnt miss this in a previous post. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 01:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:16:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:22:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199810250913.EAA26167@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Actually, there is a new antifreeze that is safe for the environment. (Maybe > people and pets too??) But as long as you or a pet didn't swallow it, > regular old antifreeze should not be poisonous. I believe the fumes are > unpleasant from a heater core, not toxic. Kathy --------------------------------------------- Kathy, you have it reversed. It is probably safer to swallow the new antifreezes than to use them in a wet grinder. One of these antifreeze chemicals (propylene glycol) is used in many spice products such as fake vanilla. It used to be used in cat and dog food--until it was determined that this was causing health problems in the pets. But they still allow it for people! A few years ago, "antifreeze" meant "ethylene glycol." This stuff is very toxic by ingestion and was responsible for the deaths of many children and pets. Diethylene glycol was also used, and it is even more toxic. Hundreds of children died in a Caribbean country when it got into medicine by accident. Then manufacturers found that other safer glycols could be used. Three that are found currently in antifreeze products, window sprays, and airplane deicers include propylene glycol, butylene glycol and the triethylene glycols. While these glycols are not *acutely* toxic, they have *chronic* hazards. All will cause irritation by inhalation, propylene glycol can cause allergies, and it is quite possible that the triethylene glycols can cause reproductive or developmental damage. These "safer" glycols are the ones that are most often used in theatrical fog effects. There are now thousands of performers that have been lab rats for years. The data is clear: repeated exposure to these glycols in the mist form can cause respiratory problems. For example, when Beauty and the Beast at the Palace Theater on Broadway opened over 2 years ago, there were 25 pit musicians assigned to the show. Two of them occasionally took asthma medication. Now there are 7 full-time, daily medication-taking asthmatics among those 25 musicians. A medical study of these musicians has documented that they have decreased respiratory capacity after performances. If you are using antifreeze in a wet grinder and mist is rising while you work, be prepared for respiratory problems. The pattern we see is first the exposed people have more colds and respiratory infections that usual. Then some people progress to asthma. If it ain't air, don't breathe it. Monona Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 02:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shirley Balloch Subject: Re: Making a box Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:29:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.222946.0> References: <<1998Oct20.23616.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Shirley, Just some thoughts about how I do boxes (when I do them) In message <1998Oct20.23616.0@?>, Shirley Balloch writes >I am thinking about making a box. It will be 9 inches long,4 inches >wide and 2 inches deep. Thsi is a really narrow box, so the lid needs a number of lines that connect to the back of it where the tube is soldered for strength ( you can't rely on the adhesive of the foil to take the weight of the lid) >My question(now that we are talking about creative math)is: Is there a >formula for solder lines to support the hinge? And do they have to >match on the lid and the side. I mean, could you have 2 solder lines on >the side and 4 on the lid? I don't know of a formula (although I suppose others do). A minimum of two is required, and I'd probably want at least one per inch and a half (average) for anything over 5 inches. There is no reason that I know of to match the number of solder lines on the sides and top. Most often, I have no solder lines on the sides at all. >I plan to use the tube type hinge. I have never had much success with >the door type hinges. >Also when using a chain to stop the lid from falling all the way back. >What chain is the best to use? I had been using chain from necklaces >and they broke with the full weight of the lid. I've not had much success with the chain to stop the lid from opening all the way back either. So I developed another method to stop the lid opening all the way. I hope the description that follows will be clear enough. If not then I guess Melanie Dunstan will have the start of an article at last. :-) I solder the tube under the lid at the back. The lid is made the same size as the box (or a millimeter (mm) or two larger to provide a lip for fingers to lift the lid with). The tube is then cut approximately 4-5 mm shorter than the lid to accommodate the bend of the wire. The tube ends are filled with twisted paper to stop solder closing the end. The tube is soldered under the lid with a bead at the back of the lid holding the tube. Additional soldering is done on the bottom at the solder lines which meet the tube. The whole tube is tinned to allow any patina to be used. This arrangement means that the back vertical panel needs to be shorter than the front and side ones. You will notice that the tube is about 3mm in diameter. So you need to make the back panel 5mm shorter than the side and front ones. This allows for the foil and beads. When completed, the lid will open to about 100 to 110 degrees. If it does not open widely enough, you can reheat your solder tacked wires and lengthen them a little until the appropriate opening is achieved. Note: a lid that is too widely open will tip the box over backwards, so it is a fine balance between not opening widely enough and trapping fingers or too widely and tipping over. If this is as clear as mud, let me know which parts are particularly muddy and I will try to clear them up. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 02:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Molly Keys Subject: Re: ceramic fiberboard Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:15:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.231547.0> References: <<1998Oct22.92450.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Oct22.92450.0@?>, Molly Keys writes >Sue, >Perhaps you are referring to a fiber blanket and this can be cut and a >hardening solution added to it. No It's not the same thing. You cut (but with lots of breating protection) the fibre board or paper to size, shape it and then fire it with lots of ventilation, to allow the black smoke to dissipate, to about 700 degrees C. You then coat it with batt wash or shelf primer and use it as a form. It remains delicate. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 02:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:45:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Doug Parrott Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:59:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.225920.0> References: <<1998Oct21.33239.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Oct21.33239.0@?>, Doug Parrott writes >Carol & Elisabeth > >how right you are. You know I tried with some less expensive glass and no >problem. Switched back to the Bullseye piece and everytime it cracked. I >am going to keep practicing though. I will do what you say Elisabeth and >stop and let the glass cool down a bit. How long does it usually take to >drill a hole. This was taking about 10 minutes. Seems like a long time. I >bought a tile & glass bit. it is very strange looking the tip has a flat >arrowhead shape. Does that sound like the right type of tip to be using. > The arrowhead bit is cheap and becomes dull quickly. It does not work very well in glass although it performs much better in ceramics. I use a diamond encrusted drill bit to drill holes. It is still slow, but does not catch the glass and break it as you try to open the hole with the spade of the bit. In using a spade bit, you must keep oscillating it to avoid the hole being only the size of the bit. If you can think in slow motion and great magnification of what the spade is doing to the glass you might have some idea of why they are so awful. The cutting edge of the blade is essentially thumping the glass as it moves around, enlarging the hole. When the point breaks through the bottom side of the glass, the sides of the blades begin to bang against the hole's side. This is why it is better to turn the glass over when the bit has broken through, to drill from the other side. The amount of broken glass may now have paid for a diamond encrusted bit (or two even). Commiserations on the breakages. Steve >Well in addition to my sad clock episode I also had a little problem with a >fountain stepping stone what I was making. The stone has copper tubing in >it and then it will be propped up in a bowl. To create a space for the >water to come out, I put in a piece of wood. The tubing buts up against the >wood. I thought I vaselined the wood real well, however when I tried to >get it out the whole top of the stone broke off. I am now off to the >retailer to get some Diamondcrete. I think I will have better luck with it >and I will use cardboard to make the space instead of wood. I was able to >salvage almost all of the glass. it is soaking now to get the concrete off. > >Isn't fun learning lessons though our failures. I swear that is the only >way I learn any more. Help!!!!!!! > >Cheryl >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol Swann >To: Doug Parrott >Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:16 PM >Subject: Re: drilled hole and broke glass....yikes > > >>Hi Cheryl...long time no hear from you...sorry to hear that your glass >>broke...each kind of glass will react differently to being drilled. It's >>always a good idea to buy enough for 2 faces, just in case...Murphy >>strikes...drilling in glass is NEVER foolproof no matter how many times you >>do it. >> >>C. >> >> >>Carol Swann >>Synergy Glass & Creative >>http://www.igga.org/synergy >>seaspray@island.net >> > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 02:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:45:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Suzanne Subject: Re: amount of glass? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:49:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.214943.0> References: <<1998Oct19.35230.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I'm sure everyone does this in different ways. But I have found form keeping records of the amount of glass used against the finished size that I use about two times the area of the pattern. I have been recommended that one and a third will be enough! Not for me! On some very simple regular geometric shapes, I can get by with one and a half times the glass compared to the total area of the panel. If you want to consider the amount of glass for each colour, type, etc., then you will need to put the pieces (mentally) into rectangles which completely contain the shape(s) and add them up! A little labourous in my view. Besides, I like to have some spare glass for the next project. Steve In message <1998Oct19.35230.0@?>, Suzanne writes >Do any of you use a *method* of figuring how much glass you will need >for a pattern? I just have to guess, but sometimes it is pretty hard, >so I really try to err on the side of too much glass. Any tips anyone? > >Suzanne -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 02:57:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:44:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "suzy@comcat.com" Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:38:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.223853.0> References: <<199810210008.UAA23301@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk In message <199810210008.UAA23301@uz.ComCAT.COM>, "suzy@comcat.com" writes >>I must admit that, having read several messages about glass saws, I >>still haven't the faintest clue what they would be used for (or should >>that be "for what they would be used"? No, that doesn't sound right >>either!). What can you do with a glass saw that you can't do with >>a glass cutter? >> >>Russ > >You can cut glass into shapes like jigsaw puzzles. >Suzy > And why would you want to do that? Steve >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 03:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:45:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Leslye2@aol.com Subject: Re: explain math/creativity Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.224037.0> References: <<1998Oct21.12810.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Leslye, It's in the difference between arithmetic (2+2=4) and mathematics In message <1998Oct21.12810.0@?>, Leslye2@aol.com writes >I just don't get how math is creative. It is very cut and dry (2+2=4). Can >anyone educate me? >Leslye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 03:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:56:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Sue Becker Subject: Re: ceramic fiberboard Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.231144.0> References: <<199810212010.QAA16493@detroit.freenet.org>> Precedence: bulk In message <199810212010.QAA16493@detroit.freenet.org>, Sue Becker writes > >Found a book recently on glass slumping which mentions the use of >ceramic fiberboard. Never heard of it myself, checked an old Hoy's >catalogue, and called around locally with no success. > >Is it something new or am I not describing it properly. > Not new. check with ceramics suppliers. They have lots. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 03:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:57:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: eldondo1@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:56:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct25.95623.0> Precedence: bulk Don and Bungi Guys, I have tried using pattern shears on mylar and the mylar seems too difficult to get my shears thru. I always feel that I will/or am dulling the blades. Surprised to hear that you have no problem Don. How long do your pattern shears last? What thickness of mylar do you use? or is there only 1 thickness made/sold? Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 03:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:11:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Sue Becker Subject: Re: ceramic fiberboard Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Oct23.231144.0> References: <<199810212010.QAA16493@detroit.freenet.org>> Precedence: bulk In message <199810212010.QAA16493@detroit.freenet.org>, Sue Becker writes > >Found a book recently on glass slumping which mentions the use of >ceramic fiberboard. Never heard of it myself, checked an old Hoy's >catalogue, and called around locally with no success. > >Is it something new or am I not describing it properly. > Not new. check with ceramics suppliers. They have lots. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 05:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:15:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:18:54 -0500 Message-ID: <19981025121505.FOPL7918@vic> Precedence: bulk For what my 1 cent is worth, I have tried both American and English style, and found that I like to use a cut out pattern best. Since this a is a hobby for me, I generally don't have the time to continue through to the end with cutting and fitting on most projects. There are long periods in between sessions. The patterns protect the glass surfaces in the interim periods. Also, at least for me, it seems to be a more economical and practical way to utilize the glass and to plan out the projects. Cutting the patterns out first also gives me a better sense of the amount of each color glass that will be necessary. As for the shears themselves, I find if I cut with the business end of them, near the grips, I don't have a problem. On the other hand, if I cut near the tips they bend the paper (plain old butchers paper on 12" & 36" rolls) rather than cut it. Another thing I have noticed is that the nut that holds the two portions of the blade together tends to loosen up regularly. If this nut isn't tight the shears are useless. I have not had any problem using glass cutters but I do own a grinder and do use it to smooth out the edges and to "finesse" some pieces if necessary. As I mentioned, this is a hobby so time and production are not prime considerations for me. I also have a Diamond 3000 saw and a Taurus II. I have used them to cut glass for fusing and slumping projects where stress isn't a factor but good clean cuts and perfection is. Incidentally, they both work great for cutting marble, travertine, tile(s) and glass for mosaic work. I find if I cut the pieces on a bias, where the sides are angled and the top is slightly smaller than the bottom, the mortar "locks" them more firmly in place. I've made this angle using a grinder also. This is a great group and has been a valuable source of information for me and definitely an asset to this craft. Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Vice President Feist & Feist Realty Corp. ---------- > From: Yegnim@aol.com > To: eldondo1@juno.com; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? > Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 4:56 AM > > Don and Bungi Guys, > I have tried using pattern shears on mylar and the mylar seems too difficult > to get my shears thru. I always feel that I will/or am dulling the blades. > Surprised to hear that you have no problem Don. How long do your pattern > shears last? What thickness of mylar do you use? or is there only 1 thickness > made/sold? > Lenore > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 05:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:48:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk, Subject: Re: Lead repair question Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:45:01, -0500 Message-ID: <199810251245.IAA11242@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Bob, There are lots of quotation marks is this message which seem to replace symbols you may have used (fractions?) but don't come through at all on this host. Steve<< >>>Flat H lead comes in ", 3/8", ", and ". There may be more than one >height and perhaps other sizes available. If you only need a small >amount and can not find the rather uncommon " let me know. I have >plenty but use little.<< It seems that not everyone can get my fancy new fractions. The above should read: Flat H lead comes in 1/4", 3/8", 1/2 " and 3/4 ". There may be more than one height and perhaps other sizes available. If you only need a small amount and can not find the rather uncommon 3/4" let me know. I have plenty but use little. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 08:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: anti-freeze?!! Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:38:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct25.143810.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/25/98 9:50:21 AM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net passed this along from Monona: >[...] These "safer" glycols are the ones that are most often used in theatrical fog >effects. There are now thousands of performers that have been lab rats for >years. The data is clear: repeated exposure to these glycols in the mist >form can cause respiratory problems. [...] I can attest to the irritation of that fog stuff. A couple of years ago my sweetie was conducting a musical in which one of the numbers called for fog. I was sitting in the front row, and the fog rolled off the stage, through the pit, and over the first few rows of seats. Fortunately there weren't a lot of people in the front, or the collective coughing fit would have been a whole lot worse! I wonder what ever happened to the old trick of dry ice and water? At least that's only a little extra carbon dioxide in the air! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 08:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:38:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct25.143811.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/25/98 10:58:24 AM, s.richard@verrier- scotland.demon.co.uk wrote: >>You can cut glass into shapes like jigsaw puzzles. >>Suzy >> >And why would you want to do that? >Steve Just to prove it can be done? Because we like to play with high-tech toys? So we personally can say "been there, done that"? Seems to me it's a lot like the famous answer to the question of why people climb mountains: "Because it's there." *****MORE POWER!!!!!!!!!***** Sparks (no pun intended) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 08:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:12:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cgocable.net!hvandyke From: "Harry Van Dyke" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:11:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.61112.0> Precedence: bulk We tried Mylar and found it to be too floppy as well. It was also difficult to draw on. I found some new material several years ago that works really well. It's called Styrene and is the same material used inside city buses for advertising and inside cloth lampshades to hold it's form. We buy .0175 translucent, 24"X12" sheets from a graphics house. It's not real easy to find but well worth the effort. Since this stuff is very translucent, it transmits light very well, so it can be used on a light table to draw onto by placing right overtop of the pattern. Even without a light table the pattern shows up very well underneath it. It also has a light matt finish, so a fine tip black laundry marker works very well for drawing pattersn. We love this stuff, as do my students. Hope this is helpful. Karen Van Dyke Colorful Creations Niagara Falls, Canada hvandyke@cgocable.net -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: October 25, 1998 2:25 AM Subject: Mylar >Are y'all talking about Mylar as in a Mylar balloon? This must be a >relatively new process, as mylar hasnt been around all that long has it? >(I feel like Rip Van Winkle) >You use this instead of heavier pattern paper, right? I lately have >been using used manilla folders myself. > >Then do you trace on the glass, or do you score around the mylar? > >How do you make the mylar be stiff enough and what do you attach it to >the glass with? >Am I right in assuming that you use mylar, because it doesnt matter if >it gets wet? > >What do you use to write on the mylar? >I cant figure out yet how this could be less time consuming. >It seems like the pattern would be more difficult to cut out of flimsy >material, especially with pattern shears (which I use, btw) >Hope I didnt miss this in a previous post. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 09:48:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:14:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:34:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.23426.0> References: <<1998Oct24.20441.0>> Precedence: bulk Mylar cuts easily with shears,there is usually a matt side and a slick side,you put u-stick glue (paste) on the slick side and write (number/arrow) the matt side. I find it best to paste one day,and then cut and grind the next... If not,the pattern may slip when the water touches it in grinding. Cutting around the mylar is not a problem. If you have light colored glass, take a sharp pencil and rub the outer edges,even before cutting, this will help you see your edges for more accurate cutting and grinding...Good luck Tulsa Susanne Don On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:04:41 -0500 Suzanne writes: >Are y'all talking about Mylar as in a Mylar balloon? This must be a >relatively new process, as mylar hasnt been around all that long has >it? >(I feel like Rip Van Winkle) >You use this instead of heavier pattern paper, right? I lately have >been using used manilla folders myself. > >Then do you trace on the glass, or do you score around the mylar? > >How do you make the mylar be stiff enough and what do you attach it to >the glass with? >Am I right in assuming that you use mylar, because it doesnt matter if >it gets wet? > >What do you use to write on the mylar? >I cant figure out yet how this could be less time consuming. >It seems like the pattern would be more difficult to cut out of flimsy >material, especially with pattern shears (which I use, btw) >Hope I didnt miss this in a previous post. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 10:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: Yegnim@aol.com Subject: Re: Need for pattern shears with foil? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:43:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.24342.0> References: <<6cfa1722.3632f5c7@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I'm sorry and will answer ,about the thickness when I get back to the shop,One thing is there are some cheap shears out there.Ours retail for $14:95,and they last a long time,In using the shears you must find the best part of the blade to use, as in sewing,short strokes ,tip ,back of blade etc.also keep the mylar and shears at a 90 degree angle. Practice on some samples first... Good luck..... Don On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:56:23 EST Yegnim@aol.com writes: >Don and Bungi Guys, >I have tried using pattern shears on mylar and the mylar seems too >difficult >to get my shears thru. I always feel that I will/or am dulling the >blades. >Surprised to hear that you have no problem Don. How long do your >pattern >shears last? What thickness of mylar do you use? or is there only 1 >thickness >made/sold? >Lenore > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 10:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:12:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199810251812.KAA12808@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I have a question concerning cutting glass in shapes that are not meant to be. Don't own a glass saw, so I don't know what the long term outcome would be. Was wondering because if one tightly fits glass together and it goes thru expanding and contracting process at different stages of room temp. (or ie: in the window) it gets pressure cracks. I have asked glass to do some impossible shapes with blasting which have turned out UNTIL I wrapped in foil and applied heat to them. After the third try I decided it wasn't meant to be. Does this also apply to cutting with a saw? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 11:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:11:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: fountain Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:54:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.25430.0> Precedence: bulk Lenore, The projects are still alive.... I went to the wholesaler yesterday and picked up new diamond drill bits. Wow those suckers are expensive. I don't order enough materials to get much of a price break. But I got them so this week I should be ready to try again. Today is the day to try the fountain again. I splurged and bought Diamondcrete so I should know the results an a couple hours after pouring. But, before I start that, first I need a shower (sorry gang.... but if you were here you would agree). Then I have to make a pumpkin for a customer special request. And then..... yipee yea!!! I can play again and retry the fountain. This time I will NOT use wood!!!! I went to a local Ben Franklin store and they had the completed fountain. Of course they did not use glass on theirs nor did they use concrete they have another type of concrete mixture.... the type you can play with and write in. I really don't like the look of it, but someday I may just try it and see how it works. I like to stay with what is familiar and that I know works. According to the directions you are to cement the stone into the bowl. Well that isn't how I saw the completed project and I am not going to do it that way. I will attach T-elbows to the bottom of both pipes and attach pipes from the elbows to give the stone stabilization. I've also purchased some nice looking pieces of slate which will go on top of the pipes of further stabilization and will also look sharp. I got the slate from Bedrock Industries. I have talked before about this place on past posts. They recycle glass into beautiful heart, stars and icicles. Also, they recycle scraps from blown glass. This is also where you can get beach glass. In addition to this they have a yard full of slate, rocks, broken masonary objects, etc. Great place to visit and get ideas. This is in Seattle. They wholesale and ship. Here is their web site if you are interested. www.Bedrock-ind.com I make various things out of their products..... wands, garden stakes, plant sticks, key chain, mobiles, bugs,..... whatever my imagination comes up with. As you can tell, I really love this place. I have some pics of some of the plant sticks and a mobile I made a while back... i'll try to e-mail them too! Pam Burns-Tappan sent me the fountain information. Thanks Pam... One of these day we are going to get together and brainstorm and see what different things we can come up with for the fountain. let me know what you think about the fountain. great thing to add to your garden art inventory. 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A:Z2/(6_2,6GZ5"$_H$4%$^^H@@H?T""OM(($'\)`@K]00)^VB*B7O1& MQ".OU!!"^PR-*@1&+/;'!!>P95K.H)X9% Y0"5AD%QA#0Y2IPR"LE\FPH#0E MDV"GXI:638%TL4LFP(ET@@O2U! M0@O01'7G>-H>DATB9HCH$=PNP0Q'7!E("]086=E7!E("]#871A;&]G#3X^#65N9&]B:@UX')E9@TR.3DP-@TE %)45/1@T` ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 14:46:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:04:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass saw? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:10:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199810252200.RAA00819@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I have a question concerning cutting glass in shapes that are not meant to be. Hi, Cindy. "Not meant to be" is the crucial phrase. Glass has its limitations and learning them is important. As others here have said, just because we can cut fancy shapes doesn't mean we should. Longterm? The cuts that violate the nature of the material would break. End of story. > Was wondering because if one tightly fits glass together and it goes thru > expanding and contracting process at different stages of room temp. (or ie: > in the window) it gets pressure cracks. The effect of heat and cold on glass are immaterial, since the amount of expansion at even the most extreme earth-surface temperatures are ineffective in causing any importantly measurable expansion or contraction. If you want the figures (they're very, very small), I can dig them up for you. It's not a concern, although some studios have done very well for themselves using this bogeyman to sell their services. > I have asked glass to do some impossible shapes with blasting which have > turned out UNTIL I wrapped in foil and applied heat to them. After the third > try I decided it wasn't meant to be. > Does this also apply to cutting with a saw? Yep. Badly cut glass is badly cut glass, even if it's tour de force cutting by hand. A machine makes it easier to make "impossible" cuts, but glass isn't as forgiving as that. My 2 pesetas worth. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 15:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:05:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: anti-freeze?!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:10:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199810252200.RAA00791@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > You might also mention to Monona that hot antifreeze fumes from a heater > core rapidly induce flu-like symptoms in me. I mean, right away, during > exposure. < When those antifreeze compounds are decomposed with heat they form acrolein, formaldehyde and other aldehydes, carbon monoxide, and a host of other irritating and highly toxic chemicals. When ever we see a fog machine that is overheating, we have to replace it immediately or we will have wholesale illnesses in the cast and crew. Monona ACTS 181 Thompson St., # 23 NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 15:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:09:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct25.23920.0> References: <<199810250957_MC2-5DF3-1ECC@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for all your great advice. I haven't attacked it yet ( I had a little bug today). But when I do I will do so with much more confidence than I had yesterday! I decided I wasn't going to replace the cracked piece, when I held it up to the window it was hardly noticeable. I knew it was there but it wasn't really obvious. The glass got scatched when I was scrubbing off the excess solder with the green side of a scouring pad. I scrapped off what I could with my fid, but I couldn't get it all off. Once I polish it up I'm sure it'll be fine. So thanks again and keep your fingers crossed for me. I'm hoping to get to it Mon or Tues night. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 16:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: fountain Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:16:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.71622.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Cindy, I still haven't gotten this scanner down yet. I'll keep trying. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: Doug Parrott Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 3:02 PM Subject: Re: fountain > Hi Cheryl, >I think something is wrong here, your message came in in 4 parts, with the >2,3,& 4th coming in with this stuff... > >>M90TO3F%M92 O:6TQ#2]&:6QT97(@+T-#25141F%X1&5C;V1E( TO5VED=&@@ >>M,38X-@TO2&5I9VAT(#$U- TO0FET >It took a long time to come in also. >Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 16:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:26:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mylar Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:16:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.131625.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Tulsa Suzanne, I use mylar from my husband's office. It's usually used for engineering design, but I've used it very successfully for pattern making. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 16:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: WORDEN SHADE - 2nd PROGRESS REPORT Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:04:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct26.0437.0> Precedence: bulk Well, it's Sunday night and I'm NOT finished. But it's all flat soldered, inside and out and the cap is on. Burned myself twice, one a direct hit with the iron and once with the cap, which I put in the oven to preheat and while tinning forgot it was hot. I should be able to do the rest of the soldering at night during the week. I have other projects to get going on for Xmas presents. No more form lamps for me for a while, this was a real project. Making a chandelier for my daughter and had thought about doing a form lamp, but not now. It'll be a flat panel for sure! But I can tell now that the colors are perfect - I wanted to coordinate with a persian rug in my family room and it does. The background glass was a caramelly Spectrum opal and the flowers were a Uroboros orange/red/yellow with red waterglass for the ribbon around the bottom, yellow Bullseye diamonds and a few irridescent green spots near the flowers. Same colors in the rug. Sounds terrible but looks great! I had my doubts. The only thing I would change would be the yellow diamonds, not enough contrast with the background, but still not bad. I will try to get a picture when it's finished. I have a scanner, but don't know the first thing about using it yet. Only enlarged a pattern with it so far. For what it's worth, I found doing smaller sections once you get to the curved part to be better. I did one third by pinning and soldering all at once and then switched to sections after that and it was a lot easier. Well, back to cleaning up - back to the regular grind tomorrow. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 16:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:46:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: website? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981025184417.0079a790@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk hi....my name is Bill..i am new to the forum (and stained glass) an was wondering how this forum works.....is there a website with all the postings showing or is it a different idea all together............i would like to follow the postings and i have a number of questions myself........please e-mail me with the proper instructions in joining and how it works.......thanks in advance.....p.s i have downloaded some of the archives but they are difficult to read as they are not threaded messages...(and you have to start from the bottom and go backwards!).......thanks again......Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 16:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:49:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'Bungi Group'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE0047.D6318480" Subject: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.134648.0> Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0047.D6318480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to say Thank you to the person that sent me a copy of the Praying Hands pattern. Who ever you are, Thank you very much. Yours truly, Tim Byrnes ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0047.D6318480 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjcXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAGUAAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAua3jrobvPEZ/kREVTVAAAZIMAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAEJ1bmdp IEdyb3VwAFNNVFAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEA AAAQAAAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAAA4AAAAnQnVuZ2kg R3JvdXAnAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5HSS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6 AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAIiNgEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEI AQSAAQAWAAAAUHJheWluZyBIYW5kcyBQYXR0ZXJuAOYHAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcKABkAEgAuADAAAABo AQEggAMADgAAAM4HCgAZABIAKgAKAAAAPgEBCYABACEAAABBQkY3RjdCMDJCNkNEMjExOUZFRDQ0 NDU1MzU0MDAwMAAeBwEDkAYAgAIAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAA AEAAOQBA7zO7cQC+AR4AcAABAAAAFgAAAFByYXlpbmcgSGFuZHMgUGF0dGVybgAAAAIBcQABAAAA FgAAAAG+AHG657D3961sKxHSn+1ERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAR AAAAdGJ5cm5lc0BzbmV0Lm5ldAAAAAADAAYQNkBv1wMABxB7AAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASVdPVUxE TElLRVRPU0FZVEhBTktZT1VUT1RIRVBFUlNPTlRIQVRTRU5UTUVBQ09QWU9GVEhFUFJBWUlOR0hB TkRTUEFUVEVSTldIT0VWRVJZT1VBUkUsVEhBTktZT1VWRVJZTQAAAAACAQkQAQAAAAsBAAAHAQAA igEAAExaRnXUp2Hj/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER 4nN0ZW0CgzP3AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2QKABwqBDbELYG5nMTAzDxRQCwoUUQvxICBJIAJ3CGBsZCBs aWsAZSB0byBzYXmEIFQRgG5rIHkIYKkaMnRoGiBwBJBzAiBdG3FhBUARsAIwIAeAIJRhIAWgcBqQ b2Ybc4xQchqAC4BnIEgAcF5kBCAKsAJABJEuGVBXcmgaUGV2BJAbAwrAZU4sGqkfsRqQbXURcC6b CoUKhVkIYQQgdHIZsIx5LCHMB2EgQnkEoBcHkAqFFTEAJZAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzAA R64VcQC+AUAACDAAR64VcQC+AR4APQABAAAAAQAAAAAAAABclQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0047.D6318480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 17:23:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:09:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: mylar (yourlar/ourlar!!!) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:08:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct26.187.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, (Suzanne of Tulsa always sounded so French to me) I get mylar at a blueprint and art supply shop. It comes in different thicknesses and most often they do not have the nice thick stuff available. Some is matte on one side and glossy on the other, some is glossy on both sides. The last time I needed some they sold me a roll labeled ".004 ERAS. D.M. INK JET FILM" instead of the sheets I normally buy, much better deal. I use a sharpie marker both on the mylar and on the glass. I have never tried cutting the glass directly around the mylar, instead I trace around the pattern onto the glass. For me the benefit of mylar is having a pattern I can reuse over and over (till I lose parts of it). You sound like you are having great fun with your glass, keep up the good work, you are an inspiration to me. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 17:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: oxford.net!tmr From: "Teresa Ross" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: galavanizing. Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:41:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199810260137.UAA05902@server1.oxford.net> Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me about galvanizing lead? How is it done? Is it possible to do in the home or do the pieces have to be sent somewhere? As usual, thanks for everone's continuing help. teresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 18:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.13340.0> References: <<199810251812.KAA12808@ns2.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > I have a question concerning cutting glass in shapes that are not meant to be. > Don't own a glass saw, so I don't know what the long term outcome would be. > Was wondering because if one tightly fits glass together and it goes thru > expanding and contracting process at different stages of room temp. (or ie: > in the window) it gets pressure cracks. > I have asked glass to do some impossible shapes with blasting which have > turned out UNTIL I wrapped in foil and applied heat to them. After the third > try I decided it wasn't meant to be. > Does this also apply to cutting with a saw? > Cindy > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass primarily what will happen is that the piece will flex, then break. a heat fracture will only occur if too much heat is used. or when there is a tiny crack in the edge, heat will help it grow. or it might be too thin, and that could have caused a heat fracture. it will be fine as long as there was'nt any vibration to the glass. like if someone used a diamond coated blade for their scroll saw. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 19:01:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:55:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass saw? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.155143.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Albert- Your 2 pesetas are worth a million bucks on this subject... or at least the = cost of a commission and a happy customer over = the long haul. IMPO of course. Best regards, Dani Greer (who is suffering considerable Orvus damage = on her wrists - ouch that stuff is strong!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 19:28:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:11:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:07:28 -0800 Message-ID: <199810260207.SAA11317@ark.com> Precedence: bulk >To: mschatee@juno.com >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Caren.....I sometimes have the same problems as you describe. It sounds like 2 classic problems. 1--you are trying to go too fast when running your bead, as well as not enough solder, or hot enough iron. (Maybe your tip is not co-operating with the iron. (try changing tips with your old iron and see if that makes a difference. I have 1 tip that never gets hot enough for anything!!) 2--add more flux...(What condition is your foil?) >Looks like you have tried the classics---just have to experiment. (I suspect foil, temperature, or flux and speed or a touch of each.) Reading some other responses, turn your dial up to high or at least 3/4 of the way. What solder are you using? 50/50 has to be blotted on where 60/40 can run a bead? (Shot in the dark here!!) >Hope this helps.... >Wayne > > >>Well I finally got around to finishing the panel I am making for the >>American Cancer Society Auction (so I thought). I have had nothing but >>trouble soldering this since I started. I recently bought an Inland 100 >>watt with temperature control, I had been using a 10 year old 80 watt >>Weller and an even older hand me down from someone else. I figured I'll >>get the good one and be home free since soldering is my least favorite >>part of stained glass. So here's my problem... since using the new >>solder iron I cannot get a good bead. The solder has smeared all over >>the glass, been lumpy, just plain uncooperative. Of course while trying >>to clean the excess solder I cracked a 6 inch piece of glass in the >>center. I changed spools of solder, I adjusted the temperature, I wiped >>off the flux, I added more flux, I swore and begged...but I cannot get a >>clean solder line. HELP!!!! I just got done washing it in soap and >>baking soda, I figured I needed to clean up the excess flux and solder >>and see where it needs more work. Of course trying to clean off the >>smearing solder I scratched the glass in several places. And to think >>this panel was being donated for a worthy cause. I am almost too >>embarassed to show it to anyone. So can I re-solder after washing it? >>And do I need to reflux it? How do I smooth out the solder lines? >>Should I go back to my old solder iron? Do new irons need time to break >>in? Where on the dial should I leave the temperature (between lo and >>hi). >>Right now I am walking away from it I am ready to trash it and start >>over. >> >>Thanks for the feedback I know I'll get. >> >>Caren >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 20:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:03:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Sorry Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:04:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.12440.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Hope I didn't screw up anyone's computer with my fountain direction attachment. Won't happen again. The stone is now out of the mold. yea!!! I used styrofoam packing piece wrapped in contact paper to create the space in the stone for the water to come through. I won't use styrofoam again though. I had a problem with it trying to float to the surface. My husband held it down while the diamondcrete set up a bit and then I poured more diamondcrete on top of it. Because it floated to the surface, cement got underneath it. After it all hardened I had to chip a thin layer of cement off the front of it and then bit by bit pull the styrofoam out. I tried cardboard but I wasn't able to fold it into the shape I wanted. I think next time I will work on the cardboard idea or I will go with the waterproof wall board. It looks pretty good, however, it will be a keeper for me. I'm not real happy with the glass I used. The Diamondcrete color is a antique white and the colors of the morning glories are pinkish white irredescent. There really is not enough contrast between the stone and some of the flowers. I guess you will say I am still learning a few lessons on this project. I won't hook up the pipes or the water line for the pump until tomorrow. I really want to give it some more time to completely set up. Plus, I am a bit tired and I don't want to screw this thing up. I will say that the Diamondcrete was easier to work with than cement, however, I do like the look of cement much better. The next stone will probably be cement. Thanks for all your help. I'll let you know how the fountain works tomorrow. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 22:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:01:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grump city Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:09:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.1796.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry about my little grump post. I am still irritated, as I have not wasted that much glass trying to get a cut just right in a long time. Once the glass even broke when I was scoring it!!! I was using so little pressure, you could barely even see where I was was scoring! So it *wasnt* from too much pressure. This was amber bullseye. It acted sometimes almost as if it was laminated with something. Really odd. I have some other bulleseye, that I havent had nearly the trouble with. Think the color has something to do with it? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 25 22:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:50:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mylar (yourlar/ourlar!!!) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:57:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.165727.0> References: <<1998Oct26.187.0>> Precedence: bulk > You sound like you are having great fun with your glass, keep up the good > work, you are an inspiration to me. > > Pat > ---- Thanks for all the feed back on the mylar. We have a Triangle shop here closeby. I wonder if they would carry Mylar, think I will check it out and give it a try, *if* I can get a small quantity at first to see if I like it. As far as fun....well...today was a bear. I worked most of the day. I was cussing at least partime. I could be heard saying "You SOB"! pretty unusual for me. I went through way too much glass for too few pieces of the stupid fish I made. It is pretty. Good thing. I was tempted to throw some really pretty amber bullseye on the concrete floor to *punish* it for being so hard to get along with. Grrr... There were several very severe inside curves that I really had a hard time with. I was tempted to switch to a different glass because I knew I could get the cut with a different glass. Oh man, it was a good thing that I had bought that glass years ago with something totally different and much larger in mind. Also, I am glad I bought the Allstar grinder with that little bit on top, as There is no way I could have gotten those peices just right with a larger bit. I absoulutely could not have done this fish without a grinder and that makes me really mad. Later on this evening I got 2 stones poured, a 16 inch hex, and a 14 inch round. They *should* turn out really great, hopefully, as the glass work looked good. Fingers are crossed. Oh, remember I mentioned that my mother hadnt said a word, much less encouraging when I had told her I was doing stained glass again? (she is a wonderful painter) Well she and my Dad just spent the weekend visiting, and they *loved* my stones, and especially the ones I was about to pour cement on. She is all excited now, as she wants one! Oh yeah, me french..."oui y'all!" ;o) Tulsa Suzanne, victor over that damn fish! -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 00:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hello! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:15:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.71549.0> Precedence: bulk My name is Brian Shepherd - I'm relatively new to the internet but I have been lurking for a couple of weeks. I'm in Cornwall in the UK and oh yes - I do stained glass! I thought it was time I said hello! Regards to you all! Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 02:02:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:35:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: I need soldering advice please! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.93022.0> Precedence: bulk >solder iron I cannot get a good bead. The solder has smeared all over >the glass, been lumpy, just plain uncooperative. Of course while trying >to clean the excess solder I cracked a 6 inch piece of glass in the >Thanks for the feedback I know I'll get. Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:55:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Brian Shepherd , Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Hello! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:54:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.9546.0> Precedence: bulk My name is Brian Shepherd - I'm relatively new to the internet but I have been lurking for a couple of weeks. I'm in Cornwall in the UK and oh yes - I do stained glass! I thought it was time I said hello! Regards to you all! Brian Welcome to Bungi Brian and also to our small group of people from the UK on Bungi. I am located in the west midlands about 12k west of Birmingham with the local town name of Cradley Heath. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 04:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 03:50:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Suzanne'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Mylar Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.15057.0> Precedence: bulk A little info from my distant past: The mylar that folks are using for stained glass patterns is not the same as the balloons. It is a thick sheet that can be matt on both sides or matt on one side and glossy on the other. Mylar is the new version of linen drawing and inking paper. In the old days, draftsmen (draughtsmen for those across the pond) drew and inked on starched linen fabric. The fabric was a really tight weave and the starch was applied thick and they the whole thing was somehow rolled out and dried. Usually one side was glossy and the other was matt so the ink or pencil would only adhere to one side. White linen was used for pencil drawings and pale blue linen was used for ink drawings. The fabric used was just white for both so the color must have been in the starch. When wool clothing was in style the linen fabric made great pressing cloths (or dust rags) . All you had to do was soak the paper in a tub of HOT water for several days and the starch would come off and make a thick soup in the water. It took several baths to get all the starch out to reveal a beautiful tightly woven fabric below. Having access to this stuff in my job, I used to make beautiful envelopes for love letters and did the addresses in calligraphy, hand inked with pen. They were beautiful. Any way, the linen has gone by the wayside to the mylar. The mylar is more durable but it doesn't fold well to make those nice envelopes that I used to make. But then I write so few love letters any more. The mylar does come in different thicknesses (one surely will meet any glass artist's needs) and it comes in 8-1/2 x 11 sheet or full sized 36" -to 42" wide rolls. It is a bit pricey but a visit and sincere beg to a local engineering firm may get you some throw-aways. I still have some of the linen in a closet at home. Anyone interested can e-mail me privately with snail-mail address and I'll send you a piece (at least large enough for a love letter envelope) to play with. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne [SMTP:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 1:05 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mylar Are y'all talking about Mylar as in a Mylar balloon? This must be a relatively new process, as mylar hasnt been around all that long has it? (I feel like Rip Van Winkle) You use this instead of heavier pattern paper, right? I lately have been using used manilla folders myself. Then do you trace on the glass, or do you score around the mylar? How do you make the mylar be stiff enough and what do you attach it to the glass with? Am I right in assuming that you use mylar, because it doesnt matter if it gets wet? What do you use to write on the mylar? I cant figure out yet how this could be less time consuming. It seems like the pattern would be more difficult to cut out of flimsy material, especially with pattern shears (which I use, btw) Hope I didnt miss this in a previous post. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 05:08:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 04:37:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Howard and Elaine Rubin'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I need soldering advice please! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.2422.0> Precedence: bulk I agree with Howard, sounds like a flux problem. I had a brand of flux (can't recall name at the moment but it wasn't cheap stuff) and it made the solder stick to the glass like you explain. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, October 24, 1998 7:17 PM To: mschatee@juno.com Subject: Re: I need soldering advice please! Sounds like a flux problem.........NEW flux, too or just the same OLD stuff from before. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 05:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 04:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: tbyrnes@snet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Praying Hands Pattern Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:44:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct26.124458.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-25 19:47:53 EST, you write: << I would like to say Thank you to the person that sent me a copy of the Praying Hands pattern. Who ever you are, Thank you very much. Yours truly, Tim Byrnes >> Tim, You are very welcome! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 06:13:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Hello! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:15:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199810261322.NAA30604@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Brian! Welcome to Bungi. As Brandon was saying, we're a small stoic little group in UK (about 10 of us) in Bungi. Tony and Barbara are also in your neck of the woods (they mostly lurk...but now and then jump in). At some point, we would love to hear more about you, so think of a Bio to send to Patrick Kelly(who posts about 2 a week over the weekends) . Hope to hear lots more from you. Enjoy 'n best wishes Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire, UK > > > My name is Brian Shepherd - I'm relatively new to the internet but I > have > been lurking for a couple of weeks. I'm in Cornwall in the UK and oh yes > - I > do stained glass! I thought it was time I said hello! > > Regards to you all! Brian > > Welcome to Bungi Brian and also to our small group of people from the > UK on Bungi. > I am located in the west midlands about 12k west of Birmingham with the > local town name of Cradley Heath. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 06:58:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:59:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Praying Hands Story Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:53:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.15331.0> Precedence: bulk I received this from another group and thought it fitting since we have been running a thread about these same Praying Hands. Don't know if it is true, but interesting just the same. Sue Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, : lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to : keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the : household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a : day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the : neighborhood. : : Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the : Elder's children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent : for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be : financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the : Academy. : : After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two : boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser : would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support : his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother : who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would : support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his : artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines. : : They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer : won the toss and went off to Nuremberg. : : Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four : years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an : immediate sensation. Albrecht's etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils : were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time : he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his : commissioned works. : : When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held : a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht's triumphant : homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music : and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of : the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of : sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His : closing words were, "And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it : is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I : will take care of you." : : All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table : where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his : lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and : over, "No ...no ...no ...no." : : Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced : down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his : hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, "No, brother. I : cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look ... look what : four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every : finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been : suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even : hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on : parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother ... for me it : is too late." More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht : : Durer's hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point : sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings : hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that : you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer's : works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may : have a reproduction hanging in your home or office. : : One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, : Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother's abused hands with : palms together and thin fingers stretched skyward. He called his : powerful drawing simply "Hands," but the entire world almost : immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed : his tribute of love "The Praying Hands." : : The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second : look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one - and I mean : no one - - ever makes it alone! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 07:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:11:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grump city Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:20:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.1202.0> References: <<199810260827.AAA06284@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk > Suzanne, a couple of things come to mind. First, you mentioned that the > glass is old...how old. I was given a box of 20 yr old plus glass, bullseye > and other stuff adn found some of it to be quite brittle. I attributed that > to age. > > Also, when you get a break during scoring, there's probably a tiny little > bit of glass from a previous break on your table that's causing the problem > > And so...is the honeymoon over? You've had a pretty nice run of working > yourself back into glass... > > C. The glass is about 16 yrs old, at least I have had it that long. I have some other bullseye that I have had the same amount of time, but a different color which I have had no problem with. I had thought of age, but to me that didnt make much sense, glass shouldnt become that brittle in 16 years should it? Would any of us have intact windows? What about glass strength and color? Anyone know where I could do some reading on that topic? Is that what makes the difference between a harder/softer glass? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 07:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:16:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grump city Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:15:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.41557.0> References: <<1998Oct25.1796.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Sorry about my little grump post. I am still irritated, as I have not > wasted that much glass trying to get a cut just right in a long time. > > Once the glass even broke when I was scoring it!!! I was using so > little pressure, you could barely even see where I was was scoring! So > it *wasnt* from too much pressure. This was amber bullseye. It acted > sometimes almost as if it was laminated with something. Really odd. I > have some other bulleseye, that I havent had nearly the trouble with. > > Think the color has something to do with it? > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the color could have had some internal stress. there could have been a few glass crumbs under the glass. the glass might have been warped, and there was enough space underneath to allow it to flex by itself. there could have been a microfracture already in the glass... that's all i can think of right now... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 07:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:17:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Carol Swann , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grump city Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:27:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.12716.0> References: <<199810260827.AAA06284@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk > > And so...is the honeymoon over? You've had a pretty nice run of working > yourself back into glass... > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net Nope, honeymoon is still happenin'. I will just used *that* bullseye for larger/ easier to cut pieces. It was perfect for the goldfish I was making though, that is why I perservered. When it is finished, I will take a picture of it. I still need to make a border for it. Wish I had a digital camera. I am awful about getting pictures developed. I still have some to develop from Disney World last Christmas! That's bad.('specially when you have 2 small kids) Tulsa Suzanne, not so grumpy anymore. -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 07:47:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:58:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:05:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.2544.0> Precedence: bulk What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 08:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:07:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Shirley Balloch , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:15:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.21534.0> References: <<1998Oct21.115158.0>> Precedence: bulk > I am now finding retailers to wholesale to. They want these stones at > very low prices. I know that that selling them wholesale saves me the > craft show fees, travel expenses, and expenses for props etc. Therefore > I can lower my craft show rates. But I don't want to lower them as low > as the retailers want so they can double the price to sell in their > stores. We have quite a few extravangant gardeners here in Tulsa, there is a big water garden tour in late spring. I am hoping to get some of my stones in one or two of those gardens to be seen and hopefully asked about. We know one of the people in the tour. He has sooo much money it isnt funny. But he is a very very nice and down to earth person. Thought I was show him some stones and just tell him I would like some exposure for my work. He would probably buy one just to be nice, but more than likely, I will give him one, just to have it seen (alot of people got to see his water gardens, galapagos turtle, and exotic birds) He bought the house next door to him, tore it down and cleared it, made a gorgous pond with big waterfall etc...out of the basement. We are talking major old oil money. Lot's of that here in Tulsa, unfortunately I dont have any of it! I also have a builder friend that builds 7,000 sq ft houses, with gorgeous landscaping, ponds, water falls that could easily incorporate some garden stones. Will show him some when I have more to show. That is partially why I have been doing as many as I can. Getting more molds in a couple of days too! Just love those sales! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 08:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:51:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bullseye Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199810261548.KAA05919@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The glass is about 16 yrs old, at least I have had it that long. I have > some other bullseye that I have had the same amount of time, but a > different color which I have had no problem with. Early Bullseye glass had a reputation for spontaneous cracking, particularly when being scored. It's possible you have some of that early stuff. It'd be best to set it up in a window uncut and just enjoy it. All of their glass wasn't that way even then and they've long since solved the problems that caused the breakage (it was said that merely being in the same room with it while holding a cutter would cause it to explode into shards, but I never saw that myself), and have earned a reputation for excellence across many fronts with their glass. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 09:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:02:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:01:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.6138.0> References: <<1998Oct26.2544.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my hand... as long as the glass is perpendicular to the bench, and the flow is pointed down. i try to be fast, so i don't burn my hand holding onto the hot glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 09:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:04:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:02:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.0222.0> Precedence: bulk >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne I would like to know the same thing... Also what technique is used to draw a bead on those thin edges.... Is is better to slowly build up thin layers.....or to try and bead like on a normal joint. When I try to build up thin layers .....it just melts into drops....along the outside.... If I try to draw a bead....it tumbles down the side of the glass falling all over everything....sigh There must be an easier way...? Daniel in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 09:35:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:06:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:13:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.3137.0> References: <<199810261550.HAA08112@mail1.bctel.ca>> Precedence: bulk > Whatever rag happens to be handy on my bench. > > Shiela But how do you hold it? You are holding your iron with one hand, and your solder in the other right? What is holding your glass upright? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 09:52:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:34:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:36:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199810261632.IAA23009@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > > Whatever rag happens to be handy on my bench. > > > > Shiela > > But how do you hold it? You are holding your iron with one hand, and > your solder in the other right? What is holding your glass upright? > > Suzanne I don't hold the solder. I unwind a bunch and bend it so its sticking up and then hold the piece with my left and the iron with my right. I occasionally use a small vise (with rubber padded jaws) to hold larger pieces. Then I do the solder in the left hand and iron in the right method. Hope this helps. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 10:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:44:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Praying Hands Story Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.52614.0> Precedence: bulk What a beautiful story Arnold Schneider -----Original Message----- From: Susan C. Reitmann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Praying Hands Story >I received this from another group and thought it fitting since we have been running a thread about these same Praying Hands. >Don't know if it is true, but interesting just the same. >Sue > >Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, > : lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to > : keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the > : household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a > : day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the > : neighborhood. > : > : Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the > : Elder's children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent > : for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be > : financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the > : Academy. > : > : After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two > : boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser > : would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support > : his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother > : who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would > : support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his > : artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines. > : > : They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer > : won the toss and went off to Nuremberg. > : > : Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four > : years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an > : immediate sensation. Albrecht's etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils > : were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time > : he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his > : commissioned works. > : > : When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held > : a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht's triumphant > : homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music > : and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of > : the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of > : sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His > : closing words were, "And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it > : is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I > : will take care of you." > : > : All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table > : where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his > : lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and > : over, "No ...no ...no ...no." > : > : Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced > : down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his > : hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, "No, brother. I > : cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look ... look what > : four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every > : finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been > : suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even > : hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on > : parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother ... for me it > : is too late." More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht > : > : Durer's hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point > : sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings > : hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that > : you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer's > : works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may > : have a reproduction hanging in your home or office. > : > : One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, > : Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother's abused hands with > : palms together and thin fingers stretched skyward. He called his > : powerful drawing simply "Hands," but the entire world almost > : immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed > : his tribute of love "The Praying Hands." > : > : The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second > : look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one - and I >mean > : no one - - ever makes it alone! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 10:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:49:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:46:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199810261646.MAA10646@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Suzanne writes in part: >>I also have a builder friend that builds 7,000 sq ft houses, with gorgeous landscaping, ponds, water falls that could easily incorporate some garden stones. Will show him some when I have more to show. << And while you're at it, how about showing him a rough drawing of a grand project. Just draw up a likely design and mark a grid over it to represent stepping stones. We're talking at least 100 stones that when assembled make for a wonderful stepping stone garden! Heck, he may need far more than 100 stones. I have it in mind that anyone that can buy a 7000 square foot house can likely spend two or three percent on art. Lets see, 3% of $700, 000.00 is about xxx$. To much for me to figure. Bob Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 10:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:38:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199810261629.LAA06278@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I can lower my craft show rates. But I don't want to lower them as low > as the retailers want so they can double the price to sell in their > stores. But that's pretty normal to double the price. If you can't afford to produce them at the price they want to pay, that's all she wrote. But if you can figure out what your actual costs are, both in materials and time, you should at least double that yourself to arrive at your "wholesale" price. Your customers, the retailers, will double that again, yes. As said, that's normal. If the retailers can't pay the wholesale price you've arrived at, that means they can't sell your work at their normal markup and you'll have to sharpen your pencil or find ways to cut costs to meet the market's willingness to pay. It's just business, nothing personal. In the book business, the retail price you pay for a book is five times its manufacturing cost (printing, royalties and everything else). Ten percent goes to the author, 10% to the publisher, 20% to the retailer, 40% to the wholesaler. The leftover 20% is the manufacturing cost. If the publisher sells at retail direct to a reader/customer, the profit is higher, of course, but it's harder to sell to all of the end customers directly and easier if you have a lot of other people helping: retailers, wholesalers, etc. Same thing with artwork of any kind. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 10:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, sabren@manifestation.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:59:44, -0500 Message-ID: <199810261659.MAA11220@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Want to be a better NLP/NLS'er? Each morning, blow yourself away by seeing and feeling and hearing the kinds of experiences it can bring you. Want to build a better body? Then ask yourself every day what's so great about working out and eating right. AND make the answer so compelling that it wakes up your neurology and blows any conflicting behaviour right out of the water! Cheers! - Michal<< Thanks for a great post. I do much better when I think about what is right in my life. It's the journey that really counts. ßob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:08:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:17:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.41723.0> References: <<199810261646.MAA10646@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk > And while you're at it, how about showing him a rough drawing of a > grand project. Just draw up a likely design and mark a grid over it > to represent stepping stones. We're talking at least 100 stones that > when assembled make for a wonderful stepping stone garden! Heck, he > may need far more than 100 stones. > > I have it in mind that anyone that can buy a 7000 square foot house > can likely spend two or three percent on art. Lets see, 3% of $700, > 000.00 is about xxx$. To much for me to figure. > > Bob > Yes, that would be grand. The houses are around $500,000, cost of living is lower here. Amazing to me how many houses of that size are going up in Tulsa, where are so many people getting that kind of money? Wonder how long it would take me to complete the order????? Yikes, I'd suddenly need to hire help! Anyone that can afford 3 acres worth of decorated wrought iron fence work can surely afford several stained glass stones... Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:13:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:43:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:24:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.72440.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, For smaller projects I use shoe boxes, tape the cover on the box and then cut thru the lid to make a slit (open the ends of the slit a little) and put the piece in there. This will work for glass boxes and candle holders if you widen to slit way out. Can use non-slip shelf liner with box to keep it from shifting if the box isn't a perfect fit. Karen K. .................................... >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:25:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Praying Hands Story Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct25.234422.0> Precedence: bulk Susan, Thank you for sharing that very touching story. I now remember hearing it years ago but I had completely forgotten it. Wow. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Glasbug From: Glasbug@aol.com To: oddjob@scc.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Praying Hands Story Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:21:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct26.172129.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-10-26 09:59:00 EST, oddjob@scc.net writes: << : The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second : look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one - and I mean : no one - - ever makes it alone! >> Thanks so much for sharing this touching story. You've inspired me to finally use that praying hands pattern I've had stuck in the back of a pattern book for so long. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:28:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: bungi group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: PLEASE DON'T was Re: fountain Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:30:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.63018.0> References: <<1998Oct25.71622.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT sent .gif, .jpg, .mpg, .pdf or any other graphic attachments to a Mailing list. It rarely arrives correctly, and creates havoc on some of our systems - Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 11:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:29:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bells and whistles was: Lead repair question Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.54156.0> References: <<199810251245.IAA11242@mime3.prodigy.com>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Just a gentle reminder - (to us all, not to single anyone out), even though your new Turbo v-12 MMX Pentagram with Clerestery Windows 2000 can create some fancy effects in email you create, The rest of the people on Mailing lists are running Macs, 486 clones, Pentiums and everythin in betwwen with various releases of Pine, Eudora, Eudora Lite, MSIE, Netscape........ and your fancy hypertext graphic based message can be either read and understood, come across as binary encoded gibberish, or appear as a blank message, depending what the recipient is running on. There's an old saying in the data processing business (in the old days b-4 IS, IT and MIS were discovered) - Keep It Simple S....... (fill in noun of choice). > It seems that not everyone can get my fancy new fractions. The above > should read: -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 12:08:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:12:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: fountain Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.2124.0> Precedence: bulk Charlie, I understand that now and I apologize. Won't happen again. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: bird_cage@email.msn.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:07 AM Subject: RE: fountain >please don't send pictures to this list. it plays havoc with people's mail >readers that don't understand it, and the list archive gets messed up too. > >instead, you might post a msg stating that you'll send it via private email >for people who ask for it. > >regards, >charlie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bird_cage@email.msn.com [mailto:bird_cage@email.msn.com] >> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 11:55 AM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: fountain >> >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 12:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:24:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:19:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct26.181949.0> Precedence: bulk I've got a pair of heavy cotton twill gloves that are palm covered with leather. They are now shaped like my hands, I guess from all the stuff they've been hit with over the years. I finally had to retire them this summer, when my son used them to clean up the yard. AUGH, they had dirt all over them, real dirty dirt.....unlike the years of uncarefully collected "stuff" I had amassed. Sigh, dirty gloves done dirt deep...... Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 12:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:38:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Suzanne Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.182955.0> References: <<1998Oct26.2544.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Depends on size. For small(ish) suncathers etc., I use a table mounted vice which can pivot through 270 degrees horizxontally and about 90 degrees vertically. I adjust the jaws to hold the item snugly and just tighen to touch so I can alter the angle of the item by hand pressure, so adjusting the angle of the edge from one "pat" of the solder iron to the next. For larger items, I use bricks wrapped in several layers of newspaper and balance the whole project with piles of of them In both these cases, the aim is to have the edge being soldered horizontal, so a bead is developed on the edge, rather than a "tining" kind of edge Steve In message <1998Oct26.2544.0@?>, Suzanne writes >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 12:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:16:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Daniel Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.19929.0> References: <<1998Oct26.0222.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Daniel, I've found that you cannot "run" a bead on an edge. Instead you need to use a "patting" method. This means that you take a little solder onto your iron and apply it to the edge, then another and apply it next to the first. The first will not yet be solid, so a smooth flow is created. But this is also why the edge needs to be horizontal, as the molten solder will flow in the direction which is lowest. In fact, I do not "draw" a bead even on the joints of a project. I apply solder in "pats" along the length of the joint, each pat of solder almost in contact with the previous one. When the solder and tinned foil are of equal temperature, the most recent "pat" flows to join the previous one, which usually is not yet solid. Sometimes this leaves a series of receeding wave marks as on a beach with an outgoing tide. Appplication of heat at this point makes this dissapear (leaving only one wave or tide mark at each end of the heated portion). Hope this helps. STeve age <1998Oct26.0222.0@?>, Daniel writes > > >>What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? >> >>Suzanne > > >I would like to know the same thing... > >Also what technique is used to draw a bead on those thin edges.... > >Is is better to slowly build up thin layers.....or to try and bead like on a >normal joint. > >When I try to build up thin layers .....it just melts into drops....along >the outside.... >If I try to draw a bead....it tumbles down the side of the glass falling all >over everything....sigh >There must be an easier way...? > >Daniel in Oregon -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 12:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:58:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.94526.0> Precedence: bulk Fingers, or if pieces are very small, surgical clamps. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:01 PM Subject: soldering outside edges >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 13:54:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.112447.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Daniel" >Also what technique is used to draw a bead on those thin edges....< I don't build a bead. I just tin the copper foil on the edges. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 14:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:26:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.112445.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge?< My fingers. Seriously...my left hand holds the panel on its side while my right hand holds the soldering iron. I usually have enough solder from tinning both front/back left over to take care of not having to add any more solder. If I need more control, I use a vice, padded with old cloths, to hold the panel. Vice is clamped securely to the soldering bench. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 16:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:26:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.131126.0> References: <<1998Oct26.3137.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > Whatever rag happens to be handy on my bench. > > > > Shiela > > But how do you hold it? You are holding your iron with one hand, and > your solder in the other right? What is holding your glass upright? > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for me, i will hold the glass with my hand, hemostat, or foam block thingy. the solder will usually be on the table. the irom goes in my other hand. i take bit's of solder then lay it down on the edge. if i can get the glass to stand by itself (using blocks or the like, or if it's a box edge), i can hold the solder in my other hand (which is the fastest way.) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 17:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:28:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:08:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.13834.0> References: <<1998Oct26.0222.0>> Precedence: bulk Daniel wrote: > > >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > > > >Suzanne > > I would like to know the same thing... > > Also what technique is used to draw a bead on those thin edges.... > > Is is better to slowly build up thin layers.....or to try and bead like on a > normal joint. > > When I try to build up thin layers .....it just melts into drops....along > the outside.... > If I try to draw a bead....it tumbles down the side of the glass falling all > over everything....sigh > There must be an easier way...? > > Daniel in Oregon > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hold the glass up right. flux the edge, then with a quick motion up and down - place beads of solder. you'll want to do it in random places. if you don't the foil will lift due to the heat. it's just drop, drop, drop. being careful not to drip any one your hand. the stuff that lands on the glass, and even solder will often just peel off. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 18:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:41:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:39:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct27.13926.0> Precedence: bulk I wedge it between 2 bookends. Works great ! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 21:05:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:25:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Oct26.11259.0> References: <<1998Oct26.112445.0>> Precedence: bulk For soldering outside edges I use 3 glue clamps. These are small spring clamps that can be clamped to the glass and rotated as needed to keep the edges horizontal. The clamps themselves will hold the glass upright. Any two will provide a horizontal edge and then the third will allow you to rotate the piece. It is sometimes necessary to adjust and hold the clamped sections to get the piece horizontal but this method does provide you a "free" hand to work with. I also use the three clamps when I am reinforcing the edges with wire. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 26 23:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:25:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: had a date with... Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct26.162543.0> Precedence: bulk ...Sal Amoniac today! Smelly old guy, that one! Really worked over the tip of my soldering iron. Think it could use just a little more work. Had to end the date a little early as my 2 yr old little boy decided he *had* to be *with* me. I promptly quit and came in the house. Guess I wont have much excuse to ignore the ole iron much longer. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 05:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:51:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Brit Speak and US Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.2514.0> Precedence: bulk I post this for all the folks who will be meeting Elisabeth when she comes to the US. So that we don't get our knickers in a bunch (did I say that) over the different meanings of common words and offend one another, check out the following page: You'll also get a laugh at how the Americans and English have taken a diverging path on the use of many words. http://pages.prodigy.com/NY/NYC/britspk/main.html For the most common differences, see the problem words in the Brit Speak Survey, the second link. Seems that many of my relatives in North Carolina use many of the Brit terms and I know that folks on the outer banks still talk this way. Have fun, and Elisabeth, we are looking forward to meeting and with you. Linda Campbell Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 05:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:58:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ?????? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:54:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.125417.0> Precedence: bulk It's gone ever so quite is anybody there? Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 06:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:38:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: soldering outside edges Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.133525.0> Precedence: bulk > > But how do you hold it? You are holding your iron with one hand, and > your solder in the other right? What is holding your glass upright? > > Suzanne I use two cheap mini vices with the jaws wrapped in masking tape. These are sold for model making enthusiasts and are a 3 inch vise which can be clamped using a screw in the base onto a table edge or bench edge. Cost UK is about 15 dollars equ. If the panel is small ie a couple of square feet this is ok but discretion is needed on a larger panel. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 06:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:22:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Brian Shepherd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ?????? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.42018.0> References: <<1998Oct27.125417.0>> Precedence: bulk Brian Shepherd wrote: > > It's gone ever so quite is anybody there? > Brian > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass lot's of posts, you may have been bumped by accident.. i'm posting this to bungi also, see if you get 2 of these... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 07:36:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:57:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non glass, FYI Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:06:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.2640.0> Precedence: bulk I recieved this from laughs@stitches.net > I don't usually use this mailout for anything but medical humor. > However, I have recently been in the middle of the worst natural > disaster to ever hit a Texas town (literally, according to the disaster > experts). There are 6,700 people living in Cuero -- about a third of > them lost their homes last week -- many more had flood damage and are > temporarily displaced. This occurred when the river rose to 30 feet > above flood stage. > I know that many of our readers are compassionate people or they would > not be in a helping profession. Please go to http://cuero.org and look > at the disaster page and help in any way you can. We have made appeals > to major corporations -- some have been generous, especially the local > Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola Bottler. (We'll try to get a list of all > contributors on the website soon.) > We are especially grateful to the Dial Corporation, who put a serious > dent in their hundred-million-dollar profits this year by sending the > people of Cuero ***two coupons*** worth a total of $3.00. The 643 > households who are suddenly homeless will truly appreciate Dial's > sacrifice just as soon as we can figure out how to divide 3 bucks among > 2,500 people. They must already appreciate it, because sales of soap, > detergent, bleach, etc. are way up in Cuero these days as people try to > get the river's residue out of their homes, clothes, cars, etc. > How about if all the stitches subscribers write Mr. Malcolm Jozoff, > Chmn./Pres./CEO, The Dial Corporation, 15501 North Dial Boulevard, > Scottsdale, AZ 85260 and thank him on behalf of Cuero, Texas? Or > maybe fax him a note at (602) 754-1098. > -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 08:33:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:36:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Thanks Mike! Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.15317.0> Precedence: bulk Yes I got two of those so it is working ok! I did reply to Teresa about galvanizing lead but it didn't come up on my machine! Did anybody else see it? My first contribution you know - it's sort of important to a chap! Thanks for the help Mike! Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 08:59:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:51:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:47:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct27.154758.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach YWAH36A@prodigy.com: >I have it in mind that anyone that can buy a 7000 square foot house >can likely spend two or three percent on art. Lets see, 3% of $700, >000.00 is about xxx$. To much for me to figure. $21,000. I dare say that would keep most people I know going for a week or two :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 09:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bells and whistles was: Lead repair question Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:47:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct27.154756.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/26/98 3:01:41 PM, shyguy@vdot.net wrote: >your fancy hypertext graphic based >message can be either read and understood, come across as binary encoded >gibberish, or appear as a blank message, depending what the recipient is >running on. It's not just hypertext et al. In general, "non-standard" (non-ASCII) characters - "option-characters," "option-shift characters," etc. including fraction characters, all the stuff with accent marks, the cent sign, em (long) and en (short) dashes, curly quotes/apostrophes - don't travel well across the net. Either they don't come through at all, or they turn into nasty "gremlins" that can gum up your works. It's best to stick with straight text in good old plain-vanilla ASCII. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 09:27:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Non glass, FYI Date: Tue Oct 27 08:30:36 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.6636.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne For those of us who have entered the electronic age: you may e-mail Dial at corprel@dialcorp.com or call (602) 754-7541. This is from their home page at www.dialcorp.com . Most mailrooms are set up to handle large amounts of mail. I wonder how well their E-mail can handle it? Vic -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:07 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Non glass, FYI I recieved this from laughs@stitches.net > I don't usually use this mailout for anything but medical humor. > However, I have recently been in the middle of the worst natural > disaster to ever hit a Texas town (literally, according to the disaster > experts). There are 6,700 people living in Cuero -- about a third of > them lost their homes last week -- many more had flood damage and are > temporarily displaced. This occurred when the river rose to 30 feet > above flood stage. > I know that many of our readers are compassionate people or they would > not be in a helping profession. Please go to http://cuero.org and look > at the disaster page and help in any way you can. We have made appeals > to major corporations -- some have been generous, especially the local > Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola Bottler. (We'll try to get a list of all > contributors on the website soon.) > We are especially grateful to the Dial Corporation, who put a serious > dent in their hundred-million-dollar profits this year by sending the > people of Cuero ***two coupons*** worth a total of $3.00. The 643 > households who are suddenly homeless will truly appreciate Dial's > sacrifice just as soon as we can figure out how to divide 3 bucks among > 2,500 people. They must already appreciate it, because sales of soap, > detergent, bleach, etc. are way up in Cuero these days as people try to > get the river's residue out of their homes, clothes, cars, etc. > How about if all the stitches subscribers write Mr. Malcolm Jozoff, > Chmn./Pres./CEO, The Dial Corporation, 15501 North Dial Boulevard, > Scottsdale, AZ 85260 and thank him on behalf of Cuero, Texas? Or > maybe fax him a note at (602) 754-1098. > -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 09:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:47:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Suzanne'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Non glass, FYI Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.64745.0> Precedence: bulk I have sent a copy of this to Dial at corprel@dialcorp.com. Their web page is: http://www.dialcorp.com/ Every thing we read is not always reported accurately. Hopefully for the sake of the folks in Texas, that is the case here. We'll wait and see. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne [SMTP:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] I recieved this from laughs@stitches.net > I don't usually use this mailout for anything but medical humor. > However, I have recently been in the middle of the worst natural > disaster to ever hit a Texas town (literally, according to the disaster > experts). There are 6,700 people living in Cuero -- about a third of > them lost their homes last week -- many more had flood damage and are > temporarily displaced. This occurred when the river rose to 30 feet > above flood stage. > I know that many of our readers are compassionate people or they would > not be in a helping profession. Please go to http://cuero.org and look > at the disaster page and help in any way you can. We have made appeals > to major corporations -- some have been generous, especially the local > Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola Bottler. (We'll try to get a list of all > contributors on the website soon.) > We are especially grateful to the Dial Corporation, who put a serious > dent in their hundred-million-dollar profits this year by sending the > people of Cuero ***two coupons*** worth a total of $3.00. The 643 > households who are suddenly homeless will truly appreciate Dial's > sacrifice just as soon as we can figure out how to divide 3 bucks among > 2,500 people. They must already appreciate it, because sales of soap, > detergent, bleach, etc. are way up in Cuero these days as people try to > get the river's residue out of their homes, clothes, cars, etc. > How about if all the stitches subscribers write Mr. Malcolm Jozoff, > Chmn./Pres./CEO, The Dial Corporation, 15501 North Dial Boulevard, > Scottsdale, AZ 85260 and thank him on behalf of Cuero, Texas? Or > maybe fax him a note at (602) 754-1098. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 10:07:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!NJDKJD From: NJDKJD@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct27.164714.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel Wearing those brown "mickey mouse" gloves...good for soldering and grinding....and they are cheap....tin both sides of your foil on the flat sides of the project.....that will hold your solder in place when you turn your project on edge (wearing your mickey mouse gloves) and pat the solder a little at a time and blending the solder to a nice bead....secret I was told was the soldering of the flat sides to hold the bead on the edge. Best to you..Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 11:20:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Brit Speak and US Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:14:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199810271822.SAA15204@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Linda, et al (meaning = and everybody) Years and years ago, I bought an American-English dictionary (it's still SOMEWHERE...? but must be now very much out of date!!) Thank you!! Not only was your post real good fun (have book-marked it!!), but it is also a serious attempt to help us all speaking the same language (?) understand each other..... In addition, I thought it was really sweet of you (any double meanings here???) Good Fun.... and thank you. Goodness, you are now adding ANOTHER nerve-racking element to my coming to USA.... I say something.... and it means the OPPOSITE (gulp!) Perhaps I should stick to speaking Swedish..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (....and is a tu-tu really a tu-tu???) > I post this for all the folks who will be meeting Elisabeth when she comes > to the US. > > So that we don't get our knickers in a bunch (did I say that) over the > different meanings of common words and offend one another, check out the > following page: > > You'll also get a laugh at how the Americans and English have taken a > diverging path on the use of many words. > > http://pages.prodigy.com/NY/NYC/britspk/main.html > > For the most common differences, see the problem words in the Brit Speak > Survey, the second link. > > Seems that many of my relatives in North Carolina use many of the Brit > terms and I know that folks on the outer banks still talk this way. > > Have fun, and Elisabeth, we are looking forward to meeting and > with you. > > Linda Campbell > > > > > Linda Campbell > Metro Machine Corp. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 11:43:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:51:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass, FYI Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:00:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.6010.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Thanks Vic. I did that after mailing you guys. Dont know that the big guy will see it there. I imagine he will hear about it though. I sent it to everyone I know, and you know how things get around on the internet. I told them I just might be shopping for a new brand of soap! Suzanne > > For those of us who have entered the electronic age: > you may e-mail Dial at corprel@dialcorp.com or call (602) 754-7541. > > This is from their home page at www.dialcorp.com > . > > Most mailrooms are set up to handle large amounts of mail. I wonder how > well their E-mail can handle it? > > > Vic -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 12:10:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:57:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How do you price for wholesale? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:06:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.6612.0> References: <<1998Oct27.154758.0>> Precedence: bulk Well now, I could live with that. My buider friend came over today. He and my husband just went golfing. My husband showed him my workshop and some stones. This is a quote... "Suzanne, these are beautiful" He went on to ask questions about how they weather etc.... We didnt even mention the word sell or buy...we know that right now is not a good time...as he has been sitting on a very large finished house, so has about a half a million $$ loan he is paying on and lord only knows what he is spending on utilities just to be able to show it. Suzanne Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > Also sprach YWAH36A@prodigy.com: > > >I have it in mind that anyone that can buy a 7000 square foot house > >can likely spend two or three percent on art. Lets see, 3% of $700, > >000.00 is about xxx$. To much for me to figure. > > $21,000. I dare say that would keep most people I know going for a week or two > :-) > > Sparks -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 13:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: Douglas R Terry To: "bungie." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: birth years Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.44233.0> Precedence: bulk ....Oh me 2555 weeks ago Doug ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 14:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: fountain done Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:44:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.54430.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Well the water is running through the stepping stone and it sounds and looks great. I had a bit of trouble getting the plastic tubing into the copper pipe. I had to put a little slit into the end and then slowly work it into the pipe. Then I used electrical tape to hold it in place. It works great. If anyone has suggestions on how to fit the tubing and pipe together in a better fashion. I would sure appreciate it. I am planning on keeping this fountain. The hole were the water comes out of the stone needs some improvement, plus the copper pipe comes up into the hole a little more than I think it should. This was my first attempt with Diamoncrete. it worked great and so much easier than regular cement. I just wish the price was more reasonable. However, I figure the time I saved is worth the difference in price. I love listening to the water trickle down the side of the stone. It is such a tranquil sound. Thanks for all your input. And once again, sorry about trying to send the scanned directions. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 15:15:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: birth years Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:18:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.10187.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Douglas R Terry To: bungie. Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:10 PM Subject: birth years >....Oh me 2555 weeks ago >Doug >---- September 10, 1948?? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 15:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:48:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sal Amoniac.... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.64822.0> Precedence: bulk Sal Amoniac.......didn't he play the lead in some movie about juvenile delinquency, called Dino........? Daniel in Oregon tinned and ready...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 16:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:47:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Sarah Bross , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: birth years Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.133552.0> References: <<1998Oct27.10187.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk I think we have a true mathematician amonst us, or are we talking arithmetic here? Sarah Bross wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas R Terry > To: bungie. > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:10 PM > Subject: birth years > > >....Oh me 2555 weeks ago > >Doug > >---- > > September 10, 1948?? > > Sarah > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 17:23:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:35:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:23:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.142342.0> References: <<199810261632.IAA23009@mail1.bctel.ca>> Precedence: bulk > > > > But how do you hold it? You are holding your iron with one hand, and > > your solder in the other right? What is holding your glass upright? > > > > Suzanne Oh, didn't I mention that third hand in my bio? Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 17:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:18:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: fountain done Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:11:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.141138.0> Precedence: bulk You might try softening the plastic tubing by sticking it in boiling water and stretching it over the copper pipe. Then put a stainless steel pipe clamp on the plastic tube. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: bungi group Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 6:15 PM Subject: fountain done >Hi > >Well the water is running through the stepping stone and it sounds and >looks great. I had a bit of trouble getting the plastic tubing into the >copper pipe. I had to put a little slit into the end and then slowly work >it into the pipe. Then I used electrical tape to hold it in place. It >works great. If anyone has suggestions on how to fit the tubing and pipe >together in a better fashion. I would sure appreciate it. > >I am planning on keeping this fountain. The hole were the water comes out >of the stone needs some improvement, plus the copper pipe comes up into the >hole a little more than I think it should. This was my first attempt with >Diamoncrete. it worked great and so much easier than regular cement. I >just wish the price was more reasonable. However, I figure the time I >saved is worth the difference in price. > >I love listening to the water trickle down the side of the stone. It is >such a tranquil sound. > >Thanks for all your input. And once again, sorry about trying to send the >scanned directions. > > >Cheryl > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 17:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:34:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: fountain done Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:32:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.83213.0> Precedence: bulk Carol, I bet caulking would work perfectly. I'll try that. I'll also check out the tool for cutting the copper. I went up to the nursery and picked up some plants to go inside the fountain. I was told to take them out of the planter and take all the dirt out of the root ball and then place them into the water with a small rock holding them down. Another new experience for me. Wow I've sure learned a lot of lessons on this one. Carol, I am so excited that you are going to try the fountain. let me know how it works. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Carol Tombro To: Doug Parrott Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:09 PM Subject: Re: fountain done >Cheryl, > >I was able to open the file you sent. I'm glad I could because I couldn't for >the life of me figure out what you were doing. I'm looking at the picture of >it, and would caulking, such as bathtub/shower caulking work as well as the >tape? Also, there is a tool that looks like a plier, it fits around copper >piping, you turn it in increments and it makes a smooth cut in a short amount of >time. Most hardware stores should have it, if that's what you're looking for, >to make the copper tubing shorter. I'm going to have a try at it myself since >you were kind enough to send directions. I'll let you know how it turns out. > >Carol T > >Doug Parrott wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Well the water is running through the stepping stone and it sounds and >> looks great. I had a bit of trouble getting the plastic tubing into the >> copper pipe. I had to put a little slit into the end and then slowly work >> it into the pipe. Then I used electrical tape to hold it in place. It >> works great. If anyone has suggestions on how to fit the tubing and pipe >> together in a better fashion. I would sure appreciate it. >> >> I am planning on keeping this fountain. The hole were the water comes out >> of the stone needs some improvement, plus the copper pipe comes up into the >> hole a little more than I think it should. This was my first attempt with >> Diamoncrete. it worked great and so much easier than regular cement. I >> just wish the price was more reasonable. However, I figure the time I >> saved is worth the difference in price. >> >> I love listening to the water trickle down the side of the stone. It is >> such a tranquil sound. >> >> Thanks for all your input. And once again, sorry about trying to send the >> scanned directions. >> >> Cheryl >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 19:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:16:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:21:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.14215.0> Precedence: bulk I use a handy tool I bought at a mail order place called Harbor Frieght.. They have a site at www.harborfrieght.com I believe it is... Anyway it basicly is 2 spring loaded clamps like woodworkers use with a flexible shaft inbetween them.. It's about 20 inches long... I clamp one end to the workbench and the other to the project....Also works great to stand up the larger panels the make soldering on the rebar easier... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:54 AM Subject: soldering outside edges >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 20:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:20:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: another site Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.15944.0> References: <<1998Oct27.133552.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.4reality.net/bone/gallery.html sound another site, it has a bunch of cool cars ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 20:50:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:21:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: check out this site Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.141120.0> References: <<1998Oct27.64822.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ i was going over new links for page, and came across this one... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 21:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Daniel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sal Amoniac.... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:15:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.15151.0> References: <<1998Oct27.64822.0>> Precedence: bulk > > Sal Amoniac.......didn't he play the lead in some movie > about juvenile delinquency, called Dino........? > > Daniel in Oregon > > tinned and ready...... > Gosh, Daniel, Wish you werent so far away... We could have a little solder party. Might be amusing! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 22:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:14:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: craquel Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:13:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.191317.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, hopefully a simple question. Can someone tell me the manufacturer of "craquel" glass. I understand this glass is made in many colors, is craquelled on only one side, and is basically a type of glue chip. Thanks Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Wednesday, October 28, 1998 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 27 23:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:09:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass, FYI Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:17:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.171717.0> References: <<1998Oct27.64745.0>> Precedence: bulk You know what just occured to me... Some young single mom with a couple of kids, and medical bills, utlities, rent, grocery bills, school lunches to buy, working 2 jobs and still barely covering her basic needs....was stressed out and made a typo. Meanwhile, all of us dial users get our *knickers in a wad* over how this huge mega bucked company could be such a tight wad... so this single mom gets fired. Ok...so now I am thinking...my karma is gonna get all screwed up..so I need to tell dial all this, and tell them to forgive her and give her a raise (good PR ya know?) AND send a ton of free soap products to Texas!! Then *everybodies'* karma is ok for another day. Sometimes a little imagination is a terrible thing. Tulsa Suzanne > I have sent a copy of this to Dial at corprel@dialcorp.com. > Their web page is: http://www.dialcorp.com/ > > Every thing we read is not always reported accurately. Hopefully for the > sake of the folks in Texas, that is the case here. We'll wait and see. > > > Linda Campbell > Metro Machine Corp. > -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 00:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:02:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: check out this site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:11:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.18119.0> References: <<1998Oct27.141120.0>> Precedence: bulk Looks like it is right up your alley Mike! That scarlet Macaw is breathtaking. Did you see they said a beginner could do that cougar? Maybe a masocistic beginner! Thanks for the URL. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 00:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:21:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dial follow up Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:30:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.18301.0> Precedence: bulk > > It worked! Please disregard the request for assistance in writing the > Dial Corp. that was sent out about 20 hours ago. Evidently several > letters got to the right people. I received a phone call this afternoon > from a Dial official asking how bad it is and what we needed. They are > sending vouchers for everyone affected to get free Dial products to help > in the cleanup effort. > > We'll chalk it up to a misunderstanding and be grateful to the folks at > Dial. They'll be listed in the newspaper and on the website at > http://cuero.org among the ***real*** contributors to the flood relief > project. > > If you have been making plans to donate to the Cuero efforts, thank you > very much. It is sincerely appreciated. Several funds have been > established as listed on the website (under "How to Help"). Any funds, > furniture, etc. sent here will be fairly distributed to those in need > (and will be tax-deductible as well). > > Thank you all for your generous support. Soon we can get back to some > "serious" humor. > -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 02:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:40:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gcanvas@compuserve.com Subject: craquel Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:32:26, -0500 Message-ID: <199810280732.DAA12782@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Can someone tell me the manufacturer of "craquel" glass. I understand this glass is made in many colors, is craquelled on only one side, and is basically a type of glue chip. Thanks Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA<< St. Just (France) and A. C. Fischer (Germany) both make a line of craquel. " Prior to blowing the glass is quickly dunked in water which cools the outside surface, but not the central core. The resulting surface of the glass is similar to an aligator skin."- with thanks to Hollander LA catalog. Craquel has no real relation to glue chip glass. At five to eight times the cost of glue chip it is considered a premium glass. In the right setting it is well worth the extra cost. I rate the cutability of craquel as on the hard side. The French is a bit smoother and more pleasant to work with. Also, in my experience it is more uniform in thickness. Yes, it is the most expensive. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 02:57:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:29:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:37:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct27.183723.0> References: <<1998Oct27.14215.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the helpful tips or soldering outside edges. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 06:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:38:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'M. Savad'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: another site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:37:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.13728.0> Precedence: bulk Good grief, from the thumbnails, they are so detailed you can't tell they are glass. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:esavad@home.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:10 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: another site http://www.4reality.net/bone/gallery.html sound another site, it has a bunch of cool cars ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 06:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:41:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Byron Wells'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: soldering outside edges Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.14256.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks. The correct address is harborfrght. before except after does not apply here. Linda Campbell Metro Machine Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells [SMTP:byronw@eatumup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:21 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: soldering outside edges I use a handy tool I bought at a mail order place called Harbor Frieght.. They have a site at www.harborfrieght.com I believe it is... Anyway it basicly is 2 spring loaded clamps like woodworkers use with a flexible shaft inbetween them.. It's about 20 inches long... I clamp one end to the workbench and the other to the project....Also works great to stand up the larger panels the make soldering on the rebar easier... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:54 AM Subject: soldering outside edges >What do you guys use to hold your project to solder the outside edge? > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 06:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:52:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: check out this site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct28.115053.0> Precedence: bulk I loved the cobra! Really scary... << http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ i was going over new links for page, and came across this one... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 06:55:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering outside edges Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:10:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct28.121018.0> Precedence: bulk I work for a mail order hobby supply company, Model Expo. We specialize in historic model ship kits and the tools to build them. We carry several items that clamp to the workbench and have clamps to hold the work in various positions while you are working on them. I use an item called a Keel Klamper, which has a 15-1/2 inch adjustable aluminum bar with two sliding metal grips that hold the work (up to 1/2 inch thick). The list price of this item is $69.95 and was last on sale for $39.99. Haven't looked in our newest catalog to see what the price is. There are also four similar items made by Panavise with various size vises and bars. These range in price from $16.99 to $59.99. Our catalog also has many other tools such as pliers, flush cutters, jewelers hammers, etc. Anyone who is interested in getting a copy of the latest catalog, please e-mail me with your snail mail address and I will be glad to send one. We have a website at www.modelexpoinc.com but there are no pictures yet. Brenda << I use a handy tool I bought at a mail order place called Harbor Frieght.. They have a site at www.harborfrieght.com I believe it is... Anyway it basicly is 2 spring loaded clamps like woodworkers use with a flexible shaft inbetween them.. It's about 20 inches long... I clamp one end to the workbench and the other to the project....Also works great to stand up the larger panels the make soldering on the rebar easier... Byron... Wells Glassworks >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 07:31:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:02:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: check out this site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:00:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.5013.0> References: <<3636B57D.6439@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Looks like it is right up your alley Mike! > That scarlet Macaw is breathtaking. Did you see they said a beginner > could do that cougar? Maybe a masocistic beginner! > Thanks for the URL. > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ what i like most about the pieces, is the fact that they use the grid line method. that's the method i like using. i've seen some sculptures that randomly places glass on the mold, giving it a little design here and there. but the grid lines more or less disapear from a distance. and they look neater. i would build something like that (and have thought about making things like that). i just don't have the space right now... did you catch the dimensions on those things? ...sheesh ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 08:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:43:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Praying Hands Story Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.32533.0> References: <<1998Oct26.52614.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk THANK YOU-for the inspiring story. It lifted my heart today. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 08:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:53:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'M. Savad'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: check out this site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.55248.0> Precedence: bulk Did you catch the cost of those things? The statue of liberty was $15K....sheesh..... Make 2 and you can support yourself for a year...if you can find a buyer. Linda i would build something like that (and have thought about making things like that). i just don't have the space right now... did you catch the dimensions on those things? ...sheesh ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 10:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:18:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ceramic fiberboard Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:18:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199810281718.MAA16827@detroit.freenet.org> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the input on ceramic fiberboard. The word "refractories" is the key and have found several local folks who provide half and one inch with which I can live. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 10:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: amazon.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.6165.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Does anyone remember which glass web site has an affiliate arrangement with Amazon? I couldn't find it at IGGA. I want some books and figure one of you good people may as well make a nickle off the sale :) TIA! Kris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 11:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:51:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: check out this site Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.63514.0> References: <<01BE0261.1B11FEC0.lcbell@memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Did you catch the cost of those things? The statue of liberty was > $15K....sheesh..... Make 2 and you can support yourself for a year...if > you can find a buyer. > > Linda > > i would build something like that (and have thought about making things > like that). i just don't have the space right now... did you catch the > dimensions on those things? ...sheesh > > ---Mike Savad that's funny, i thought there were actually kind of cheap.... that libery stands over 5' tall... though i wonder if he still sells them.. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 12:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: amazon.com Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:00:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199810281851.NAA20862@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone remember which glass web site has an affiliate arrangement > with Amazon? I couldn't find it at IGGA. I want some books and figure > one of you good people may as well make a nickle off the sale :) TIA! Kris, it's right on the home page at http://www.igga.org/ Logos, categories of glass techniques, etc. When the first page comes up, scroll down a click or two and there it'll be. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.igga.org/ Sources Guide http://www.igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 14:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:31:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: It's finished! Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:29:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct28.21290.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who gave me the soldering advice. It was definately the solder iron (Temptrol 100). I took everyone's advice, tried to use it again and it just didn't work. The solder turned funky, got brown and dry looking, almost ash like. It was so strange. So finally I pulled out my old 80 watt and cleaned it all up, it worked fine. Of course the old solder lines were so messed up that it was tough to get a nice bead. But it's done! Definately not my best work and to think it was for charity. Tomorrow night I am taking the new iron back to where I bought, first I'll have them try it out and see if it's just me. So again thanks for all the great advice. I put it all in a separate file so I can get back to it if I need to again. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 16:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:49:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sal Amoniac.... Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.133956.0> Precedence: bulk Last I heard him say was, "Dere's no such ting as Mafia." Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Daniel Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Sal Amoniac.... >> >> Sal Amoniac.......didn't he play the lead in some movie >> about juvenile delinquency, called Dino........? >> >> Daniel in Oregon >> >> tinned and ready...... >> > >Gosh, Daniel, > >Wish you werent so far away... We could have a little solder party. >Might be amusing! ;o) > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 16:41:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:23:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Model Expo Catalog Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:18:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct29.01813.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I sent out catalogs to everyone who requested one, but I just found out we DO have pictures on the web-site. Don't know if they're all up yet, but the Keel Klamper is if you want to take a look at it - www.modelexpoinc.com Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 18:43:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Claddagh Pattern? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 20:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199810290158.UAA06146@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi - Anybody seen or know where I could go to find a pattern for a Claddagh? (sp?) Irish symbol with hands and heart? Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 18:58:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:12:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "Scott ." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Teaching Question Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:05:03 PST Message-ID: <1998Oct29.253.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, sorry I have been in lurker mode for a while. Been really busy and all the other excuses. I am struggling with a technical teaching question and would like some input. I just started teaching a beggining lead class. The way I was taught to cut the mylar for lead was to use a copper foil shear for the pattern pieces instead of the lead shear. Then trace the pattern onto the glass. The cutting was to be done right on the inside of the pen line. With foil you cut on the line, with lead right inside the line. Many students are saying that they are havong to grind too much. Has anyone used the lead shears and then cut ionside the line?? Do you get a way too sloppy fit. Or maybe I was thinking it would be easier to use the lead shears, than cut on the line as you do woth foil. But since the pattern piece is smaller due to the larger strip removed by the lead shear, then cutting right on the line would be very accurate, right?? Can someone out there that teaches both lead and foil give me some advice on this please!!! Thanks so much in advance!!!!!!! Scott *sm* ******************** ICQ# 19748244 Scott's Stained Glass Technical Corner http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/8791 Proud member of: Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 19:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ? Lins glass Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:34:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct29.23444.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone ever heard of Lins glass?? Someone was telling me how beautiful it is.. Mr Lins from Florida. They were compairing it to Fischer in its beauty. Karlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 20:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:42:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: HILLHD1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ? Lins glass Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct28.173917.0> References: <<1998Oct29.23444.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Karlene: Yes Lins glass is very nice indeed. So is it's price. One of my wholesalers carries it in small quantities. I pay approx. $30.00/sq.ft. CAN. for it. Flashes are beautiful. Lins Glass Foundry PO Box 236 Fort White FL 32038 Phone: (904) 497-2867 Fax: (904) 755-5943 Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 28 22:31:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:43:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!wernecke From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Another lurker revealed Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:38:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981028213816.00d44da0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Precedence: bulk I've been following this list for a few weeks now, and it's time to emerge from the shadows. I'm an active amateur who, unlike many of you, lacks the courage to try to make a living at this wonderful craft. I live in the real estate stratosphere known as Silicon Valley, and each month the nice folks at the mortgage company remind me not to give up my day job! One tidbit and then a few questions. Those interested in JobGlass can now buy it from Delphi. Their November mailing includes it as a new item. Expensive...1" squares are $1 each, 1 1/2" squares are $1.25. A sample set is also offered. I'm adapting the mallard scene triptych from Oxley's Glass Elegance II book, and I'm trying to understand better strength and reinforcement issues. One of the panels will be 3' wide by 2' high. I know the rule of thumb that reinforcement is needed for panels larger than 3 square feet and that reinforcement generally crosses the narrow dimension. Beyond that I'm relying on instinct rather than training or experience. I'd appreciate any insight you kind people can provide. Particulars: The scene as published has a lot of horizontal joints in the lower half so folding is a problem. I can use zinc around the panel edges, which will all be supported rigidly after installation. I plan to foil the fowl, where all the tight curves occur, but am uncertain about using foil or lead around the relatively large sky and water pieces. I've read conflicting stuff about whether foil or (properly cemented) lead is stronger. The panel will be installed in an interior wall so I'm not concerned about exposure to the elements or shock. The published design has no continuous vertical or near-vertical lines. I've moved things around a bit to create one top-to-bottom line near the center to hide restrip. Does that sound like enough? Both sides of the panel need to be "good" sides so external reinforcement would not be aesthetically pleasing. The only additional possibility I can see short of major redrawing is to do the stems of the numerous cattails in reinforced came. It seems to me that would help to invisibly stiffen the lower portion; however, everything I've read about reinforcement deals with edge-to-edge runs. Is a partway run really of no value? TIA for your advice. This will be the largest project I've done so far, and I hope to avoid learning the hard way. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 04:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:54:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Claddagh Pattern? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.15310.0> References: <<199810290158.UAA06146@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzy, There is a pattern at http://hometown.aol.com/sgbds/sample.html in the March set. I think they can send e-mail & snail mail. Also, they have a minimum order of $10.00 but there are lots of pattern sets here. Plus a free pattern every month. Hope this helps, Kathy suzy@comcat.com wrote: > Hi - > > Anybody seen or know where I could go to find a pattern for a Claddagh? > (sp?) Irish symbol with hands and heart? > > Suzy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 05:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:47:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Claddagh Pattern? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199810291236.HAA26517@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > There is a pattern at http://hometown.aol.com/sgbds/sample.html in the That's apparently not a good address. One is sent to http://members.aol.com/sgbds/sample.html which seems to be what you had in mind. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 06:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:35:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new grinder Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981029083249.007aabc0@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:53:02 -0500 >To: all glass@bungi.com >From: bill >Subject: new grinder > >hi..........i'm a newbie so you will probably be seeing a lot of posts from me!..............i just bought a glastar super star II grinder....before i plug this thing in and grind,grind,grind!, are there any thoughts about "breaking it in"?..........do's and don'ts?....(using new grinder bits,coolants,lubrication etc.)....i appreciate the help.......thanks......Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 07:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:32:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Claddagh Pattern? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 09:23:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199810291427.JAA23013@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who replied so promptly with the Claddaugh pattern info. Found a couple of them right in my own back yard! Should have asked my Irish friends first. :) Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 08:40:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:27:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: new grinder Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 11:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199810291622.LAA06330@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >>hi..........i'm a newbie so you will probably be seeing a lot of posts >from me!..............i just bought a glastar super star II >grinder....before i plug this thing in and grind,grind,grind!, are there >any thoughts about "breaking it in"?..........do's and don'ts?....(using >new grinder bits,coolants,lubrication etc.)....i appreciate the >help.......thanks......Bill > Don't forget to fill it with water! Don't forget to have the grinder in the sink when you take the plug out to clean it! Clean it often. I find it easier to start with the grinder bit so the bottom of the bit is a tiny bit under the surface of the grinding platform (enough "bits" in that sentence? :) That way when that portion of the bit gets well-used, I move the bit down a bit (about 1/8"). Lubricant? Dunno, no consensus has been reached here. Some say it's toxic and plain old water works just fine. The only purpose for the lubricant is "to make the grinder last longer." Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 09:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:27:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: bill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: new grinder Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.5943.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19981029083249.007aabc0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk bill wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:53:02 -0500 > >To: all glass@bungi.com > >From: bill > >Subject: new grinder > > > >hi..........i'm a newbie so you will probably be seeing a lot of posts > from me!..............i just bought a glastar super star II > grinder....before i plug this thing in and grind,grind,grind!, are there > any thoughts about "breaking it in"?..........do's and don'ts?....(using > new grinder bits,coolants,lubrication etc.)....i appreciate the > help.......thanks......Bill > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no not really. put anti sieze on the shaft. fill with water, put a little bit of coolant in. then do some practice grinding. the glass may kick though due to the new bit. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 09:42:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:28:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Teaching Question Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.73028.0> References: <<1998Oct29.253.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I was taught, and it still works for me - to use a common 'utility knife' with TWO blades installed. You then insert a paper or cardboard shim between the two blades, to make a gap, with the blades edges on either side of 'air space'. You hold the edges next to the heart of the lead to know how much of the pattern is going to come out of the paper. The gap can be adjusted by sliding the paper shim around between the blades. The shim may move as you cut, but if you check the gap before moving on to the next pattern line, you can get a very consistant 'kerf'. If you are using different profiles of lead in the same pattern, you can adjust your pattern gaps to match differences in the heart width. Scott . wrote: Has anyone > used the lead shears and then cut ionside the line?? Do you get a way Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 10:11:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Teaching question (never taught, but have been taught) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:50:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct29.175040.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Bill, Personally think cutting mylar with lead shears is an unpleasant thing to do. I was taught to trace the pattern on the mylar in a normal thickness sharpie marker (not the fine or super fine) and cut the marker lines off completely. It takes twice as much cutting, however there is not the problem with the mylar getting caught up in the little space the one blade has on the lead shears. One studio tried (notice the choice of words) to teach me to use graph paper and lead shears, but I like a much sturdier pattern to trace around, therefore went back to the sharpie and mylar when the instructor was not looking. Happy Thursday everyone, beautiful day in Detroit today, sun is out and the trees look wonderful now that the leaves have changed. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 10:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: bill Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new grinder Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Oct29.21630.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19981029083249.007aabc0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hi Bill: Congratulations on your new grinder. The only advice is to keep the grinder tray clean and turn it off when not actually grinding. In fact, I strongly recommend you get a foot pedal to regulate the on/off switch. These two suggestions should keep your grinder hale and hearty for a long, long time. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 11:13:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Another lurker revealed Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:43:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.8438.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve- Unless your panel is subject to major stress (like a slamming door or heavy wind load), you don't need reinforcing on a panel this small. The AIA guideline for reinforcing that we have used = for years is add reinforcing on = any panel over 14 perimeter feet (or 12 square feet). I'm curious, where does your rule of thumb of 3 square feet come from? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 11:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:09:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:16:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.61639.0> Precedence: bulk Well folks, my old well of glass was about to dry up, so I head for my local retailers shop this am. Being broke, my husband limited me to $30! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I got some...but not what I wanted. Boy have retail glass prices gone up in the last 15 yrs! The glass I really really wanted was a gorgeous multicolored bullseye...that was $17 a ft. Didnt get it. The most expensive glass I bought was some yellow spectrum for $12 a ft. An expensive sun that'll be. Was able to get enough glass for $36 that will get me through maybe two more projects until I can get more. The majority of their glass was priced at $10 a ft or more. At least of the glass I wanted. Very little glass priced below that. A few peices for around $7 a ft. Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now on! I cant afford my local retailer! Shocked back into reality!! I might have made more just selling that nice glass I have saved over the last 15 yrs!! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne, who is gonna be using small scrap peices soon! -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 12:12:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Another lurker revealed Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:54:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.95422.0> References: <<1998Oct29.8438.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I had heard the rule as 3 feet square 3X3, or 9 square feet, rather than 3 square feet 1.732050807569X1.732050807569 (for those of us with a calculator built in to our PC) The 3 X3 would give 12 perimeter feet, a little under your 14. conservative, but not too far off. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 14:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:29:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981029222618.007a0800@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1998Oct29.61639.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:16 29/10/98 -0600, Tulsa suzanne wrote (in part): > >Being broke, my husband limited me to $30! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH >I got some...but not what I wanted. Boy have retail glass prices gone >up in the last 15 yrs! The glass I really really wanted was a gorgeous >multicolored bullseye...that was $17 a ft. Didnt get it. > >The most expensive glass I bought was some yellow spectrum for $12 a ft. >An expensive sun that'll be. >Was able to get enough glass for $36 that will get me through maybe two >more projects until I can get more. >The majority of their glass was priced at $10 a ft or more. At least of >the glass I wanted. Very little glass priced below that. A few peices >for around $7 a ft. Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now >on! I cant afford my local retailer! Sorry to hear you had such a shock - but I find it hard to believe the prices you quote, as from contact with several stained glass retailers in the USA their prices are nowhere near the ones you mention. In fact even over here in the UK, where all our glass is imported most of our Spectrum and Armstrong starts at 4 pounds (about 6.5 dollars) a square foot and I am sure our prices are more than most US retailers prices as their shipping costs would be way less than our distributors. Elizabeth Law Bournemouth Stained Glass htp://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 15:44:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:13:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.101311.0> References: <<199810292022.PAA01029@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > I can't believe a piece of Spectrum Anything cost $12/foot. Obviously I slipped. Cant call me a good shopper today. So much for trying to support my local retailer! I feel so ripped off. Wish I could take back all the glass I bought from them today...and say...no thanks. I just really wanted some yellow glass, and the only other yellow they had was some wretched kokomo yellow...that I hated the texture of the glass. That was the last yellow I had that I got for $2.50 a ft...and hated every minute of touching that glass. they wanted $7.00 a sq ft for that. You couldnt *give* me that glass. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 16:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:02:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:09:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810292359.SAA00886@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now > >on! I cant afford my local retailer! That retailer would probably set up a howl that he/she isn't "protected" by his/her suppliers, too. Some people forget that this is a market economy, that they can fool some of the people for a while, but that their customers are more resourceful than they give them credit for. There are lots of alternatives to shopping with your local retailer if your local retailer isn't businesslike (meaning: sensitive to their customers' needs, pocketbooks, etc., as well as aware of the alternatives available to them). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 16:33:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:02:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:09:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199810292359.SAA00889@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ Suzanne, take the glass back. I'm sure they'll give you a refund. Won't they? Laugh a little, too. We're all glass addicts and addicts are bound to make mistakes. Tell 'em it doesn't match the client's drapes. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 16:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:58:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct29.23583.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/29/98 6:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > Subj: Re: Buying glass > Date: 10/29/98 6:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com (Suzanne) > To: suzy@ComCAT.COM (suzy@comcat.com), glass@bungi.com > > > I can't believe a piece of Spectrum Anything cost $12/foot. > > Obviously I slipped. Cant call me a good shopper today. So much for > trying to support my local retailer! I feel so ripped off. Wish I could > take back all the glass I bought from them today...and say...no thanks. > I just really wanted some yellow glass, and the only other yellow they > had was some wretched kokomo yellow...that I hated the texture of the > glass. That was the last yellow I had that I got for $2.50 a ft...and > hated every minute of touching that glass. they wanted $7.00 a sq ft > for that. You couldnt *give* me that glass. > > Suzanne Where is this store? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 17:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:09:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.15825.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, Elizabeth, the prices seem a bit high to me also so I looked up the wholesale on a piece of Spectrum yellow cathedral per square foot $3.90, which would be double that for standard retail. Suzanne's price looks like about a 200 percent markup. The cheapest Armstrong is about $2.54 s.f. wholesale. = Well, that's the price one pays when there's no' competition! As a retailer, it's good of you to mention it. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 18:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:06:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.141036.0> References: <<1998Oct29.101311.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > I can't believe a piece of Spectrum Anything cost $12/foot. > > Obviously I slipped. Cant call me a good shopper today. So much for > trying to support my local retailer! I feel so ripped off. Wish I could > take back all the glass I bought from them today...and say...no thanks. > I just really wanted some yellow glass, and the only other yellow they > had was some wretched kokomo yellow...that I hated the texture of the > glass. That was the last yellow I had that I got for $2.50 a ft...and > hated every minute of touching that glass. they wanted $7.00 a sq ft > for that. You couldnt *give* me that glass. > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah some stores are very expensive. other's are not. in the 3 stores that i used to go to, each of them had their own prices. spectrum 12x16 say white wispy - store #1 had it for about $7.00. store #2 had it for about $10.00. store #3 had it for $12.00. it's a pretty large difference, but each store had it's own types of glass. the 3rd store is the one i'm forced to go to now. they have a pretty good selection, with a pretty good sale. every sof oftem they'll have a garage sale to get rid of non selling glass. the sale i just went to (a week or so ago), they were selling glass they won't have anymore. bullseye, uroboros, fisher, blenko, fna, gna, all was half price. their bullseye and uroboros was about $20.00 for a 10x14 - which was half off and i got it for about $10.00. still a little pricey but not bad... i got some really nice uro red opalescent irridescent... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 18:49:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Problem is fixed Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:15:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.21520.0> Precedence: bulk I took my new solder iron (Temptrol 100) back to my dealer. No problem at all, he cleaned the tip with flux then with Muriac Acid and the tip cleaned right up. He tested it and no smearing solder. Apparently I didn't tin the tip enough when I first started using it. He taught me how to keep the iron clean and even gave me a bottle of the Muriac Acid free. What I don't understand is why I have had the other iron for 8 years and never needed to clean it. Oh well all that aggravation for nothing. Well I learned alot from all you bungians. Thanks again. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 19:07:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.161340.0> Precedence: bulk It takes all kinds of people to make up the world. Please don't paint all retailers with the same brush. For every bad one there are many that will explain the best way, and most economical way, to do the job, will sell you the extra 6" needed to finish a project, will set up and try out the new piece of equipment with you before you take it home, and more at no extra charge. Don't sell the retailer short. They teach you how. I don't know one stained glass retailer that got rich at the trade. They're in it because they love the art and enjoy working with people. It's very hard working with some customers. Some, not any bungi of course, steal, chisel for nickels and dimes, special order items and buy it elsewhere sticking the retailer with items not normally carried, etc...But who's complaining ???? Yes, I am a retailer. I enjoy bungi because I learn from you and, I hope, I can contribute something worthwhile to the group. I am not trying to sell you anything. I do not, and will not, profit financially from our association. Buy where you want. If you can't find a quality retailer in your area, your loss is real. Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. 17086 -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Buying glass > >> > Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now >> >on! I cant afford my local retailer! > >That retailer would probably set up a howl that he/she isn't >"protected" by his/her suppliers, too. Some people forget that this >is a market economy, that they can fool some of the people for a >while, but that their customers are more resourceful than they give >them credit for. > >There are lots of alternatives to shopping with your local retailer >if your local retailer isn't businesslike (meaning: sensitive to >their customers' needs, pocketbooks, etc., as well as aware of the >alternatives available to them). > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 19:18:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:22:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cgocable.net!hvandyke From: "Harry Van Dyke" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.161959.0> Precedence: bulk I'm gonna give my supplier a big hug next time I see him. His prices suddenly look a lot better..... Karen -----Original Message----- From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: October 29, 1998 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Buying glass >In a message dated 10/29/98 6:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, >gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > >> Subj: Re: Buying glass >> Date: 10/29/98 6:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time >> From: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com (Suzanne) >> To: suzy@ComCAT.COM (suzy@comcat.com), glass@bungi.com >> >> > I can't believe a piece of Spectrum Anything cost $12/foot. >> >> Obviously I slipped. Cant call me a good shopper today. So much for >> trying to support my local retailer! I feel so ripped off. Wish I could >> take back all the glass I bought from them today...and say...no thanks. >> I just really wanted some yellow glass, and the only other yellow they >> had was some wretched kokomo yellow...that I hated the texture of the >> glass. That was the last yellow I had that I got for $2.50 a ft...and >> hated every minute of touching that glass. they wanted $7.00 a sq ft >> for that. You couldnt *give* me that glass. >> >> Suzanne > > > Where is this store? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 19:47:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:32:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 22:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199810300326.WAA15880@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Arnold wrote: >It takes all kinds of people to make up the world. Please don't paint all >retailers with the same brush. For every bad one there are many that will >explain the best way, and most economical way, to do the job, will sell you >the extra 6" needed to finish a project, will set up and try out the new >piece of equipment with you before you take it home, and more at no extra >charge. Don't sell the retailer short. They teach you how. I don't know >one stained glass retailer that got rich at the trade. They're in it >because they love the art and enjoy working with people. > >It's very hard working with some customers. Some, not any bungi of course, >steal, chisel for nickels and dimes, special order items and buy it >elsewhere sticking the retailer with items not normally carried, etc...But >who's complaining ???? > >Yes, I am a retailer. I enjoy bungi because I learn from you and, I hope, I >can contribute something worthwhile to the group. I am not trying to sell >you anything. I do not, and will not, profit financially from our >association. > >Buy where you want. If you can't find a quality retailer in your area, your >loss is real. Arnold, you have made many valuable contributions to this group and I for one, have learned much from you. Luckily my local retailer is also of your quality, and that is why I would rather buy from him than anybody else. His advice has saved me many times. His prices are reasonable and I can touch the glass before buying. The prices that Suzanne ran into today were unconscionable, though, IMHO. Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 20:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:59:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:58:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.3586.0> Precedence: bulk I still sell some glass for $3.50-$4.50.... but most is in the $5-$8 range. The prices you paid tell me one of 2 things. The retailer is getting what he can in an area that people are willing to pay.... or he can't or doesn't know how to buy at a decent price. I know that some really out of the way places have to pay alot of money for shipping, and can only buy small quantities. Don't give up on ALL retailers..... we are in the marketplace to provide a service, as well as make money. If we do a poor job of it... we are gone!! http://members.aol.com/JKSinrod/sinrod.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 20:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: shmilly@netcom.ca Subject: Re: new grinder Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:41:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.174144.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19981029083249.007aabc0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk One overlooked safety point is to be sure and rinse all pieces off after they are ground. Never towel dry a piece with glass dust on it or you will wind up spreading glass dust throughout your work area and ultimately inhaling it. The lungs natural defenses are not capable of expelling glass dust. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:32:49 -0500 bill writes: >>Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:53:02 -0500 >>To: all glass@bungi.com >>From: bill >>Subject: new grinder >> >>hi..........i'm a newbie so you will probably be seeing a lot of >posts >from me!..............i just bought a glastar super star II >grinder....before i plug this thing in and grind,grind,grind!, are >there >any thoughts about "breaking it in"?..........do's and >don'ts?....(using >new grinder bits,coolants,lubrication etc.)....i appreciate the >help.......thanks......Bill > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 22:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.174045.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19981029222618.007a0800@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > Sorry to hear you had such a shock - but I find it hard to believe the > prices you quote, as from contact with several stained glass retailers in > the USA their prices are nowhere near the ones you mention. > In fact even over here in the UK, where all our glass is imported most of > our Spectrum and Armstrong starts at 4 pounds (about 6.5 dollars) a square > foot and I am sure our prices are more than most US retailers prices as > their shipping costs would be way less than our distributors. > Elizabeth Law > Bournemouth Stained Glass > htp://www.stainedglass.co.uk > ---- So...I was really stupid, huh? I just hadnt priced any glass mail order since.. 1. I wanted to hand pick the glass out myself. Guess that is a luxury I will have to do without now. 2. I figured I would at least buy *glass from my local retailer. I have purchased other things via mail order recently. I did give her the one opportunity to even come close to the price I could get for the grinder. When I asked her to quote a price on the Glastar all star, she said $275...I said "WHEW, that's high" She said "Yes, they are expensive." I then told her that I could get it for more than $100 less, so I would have to go with that, she made no comment at all. All I can assume, is that they arent in business to be successful retailers. I dont know how they can keep customers. Even their books are $10 higher than what I find on any glass companies website. I am a bit embarrassed..but oh well, lesson learned! I had thought about taking some classes there...when I can afford to.. all the classes I have had in the past were copperfoil, and a lamp class. If everything else is so over priced...what about their classes? I would like to take a class or more to learn lead construction, and also to learn more about the structure of glass panels/windows, how to install....etc... What kills me about their high prices is that this is Tulsa Oklahoma we are talking about....the cost of living is lower here than in many places where you all live, and the wages reflect that as well! This is their website. Would any of you mind checking out their class descriptions and tell me what you think of their prices for classes? http://www.bohminc.com/ Suzanne, guess if they see this, I am unwelcome there now! :-p -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 23:20:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:34:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:41:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.174159.0> References: <<199810292359.SAA00889@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > > Suzanne, take the glass back. I'm sure they'll give you a refund. > Won't they? Laugh a little, too. We're all glass addicts and addicts > are bound to make mistakes. Tell 'em it doesn't match the client's > drapes. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Do you think I really could???????? Charles....get your shippers ready!!! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 23:33:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:45:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:54:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.175438.0> References: <<1998Oct29.161340.0>> Precedence: bulk I personally like that *sellers* are here on this list. And if *my* local retailer is on this list lurking, she now knows why I wont be shopping in her store anymore. I have seen you all over glass boards offering information to people Arnold, and knew about you before I ever joined bungi...didnt know that did ya? ;o) The retailer in question has shown *her* colors! Several times now in fact. Her prices are way higher than what a sane person would pay. Why in the world would I pay her over $100 more for a grinder, when I could get it elsewhere and still buy groceries? I even told her that I would rather buy it from her if her price was *close* to what I could get it elsewhere. She could have still made a profit, and kept a customer. She wasnt interested. Suzanne Granny And PawPaw wrote: > > It takes all kinds of people to make up the world. Please don't paint all > retailers with the same brush. For every bad one there are many that will > explain the best way, and most economical way, to do the job, will sell you > the extra 6" needed to finish a project, will set up and try out the new > piece of equipment with you before you take it home, and more at no extra > charge. Don't sell the retailer short. They teach you how. I don't know > one stained glass retailer that got rich at the trade. They're in it > because they love the art and enjoy working with people. > > It's very hard working with some customers. Some, not any bungi of course, > steal, chisel for nickels and dimes, special order items and buy it > elsewhere sticking the retailer with items not normally carried, etc...But > who's complaining ???? > > Yes, I am a retailer. I enjoy bungi because I learn from you and, I hope, I > can contribute something worthwhile to the group. I am not trying to sell > you anything. I do not, and will not, profit financially from our > association. > > Buy where you want. If you can't find a quality retailer in your area, your > loss is real. > > Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. 17086 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Lewis > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: Buying glass > > > > >> > Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now > >> >on! I cant afford my local retailer! > > > >That retailer would probably set up a howl that he/she isn't > >"protected" by his/her suppliers, too. Some people forget that this > >is a market economy, that they can fool some of the people for a > >while, but that their customers are more resourceful than they give > >them credit for. > > > >There are lots of alternatives to shopping with your local retailer > >if your local retailer isn't businesslike (meaning: sensitive to > >their customers' needs, pocketbooks, etc., as well as aware of the > >alternatives available to them). > > > >Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 23:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks and happier things Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:06:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.18639.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the nice email today. They arent gonna trick me again! ('least not today) I dont have anything against retailers at all... they didnt hold a gun to my head and make me write that check. It was *my own* stupidity. I will just cut it and make my mother what she wanted! She is worth it! ;o) Now for the good news! I get to meet a fellow Bungian tomorrow! There is an Arts and Crafts festival in Tulsa this weekend starting tomorrow, and a Bungi list member will be exibiting there. I plan to go in the morning. The festival is very close to where I live also, cant get much easier than that. I also have a cousin (by marriage) that blows glass that will be there. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 29 23:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:23:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: old bullseye Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:31:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.183123.0> Precedence: bulk I emailed this originally Monday...oops to glass@bungo Just got it back now! > Early Bullseye glass had a reputation for spontaneous cracking, > particularly when being scored. It's possible you have some of that > early stuff. It'd be best to set it up in a window uncut and just > enjoy it. > > All of their glass wasn't that way even then and they've long since > solved the problems that caused the breakage (it was said that merely > being in the same room with it while holding a cutter would cause it > to explode into shards, but I never saw that myself), and have earned > a reputation for excellence across many fronts with their glass. > > Albert Thank you Albert! That sure makes me feel better! I was really getting frustrated trying to get those pieces cut out (intact)! Frustration in myself does not mix well when cutting out pieces of glass. As far as just putting it in a window, I think I will cut out a couple of approx. 6"diam. circles and use it for the center of a flower or a sun or something like that. I have maybe a tad over a square foot left of it...surely I can get a couple of good circles out of it. It is a fairly transparent amber bullseye, and then I have about 2 ft of bright orange and yellow bullseye, that I would like to use together...(what I did on the fish). They are gorgeous, brilliant colors. The dark orange has been incredibly easy to work with compared to the amber glass. Suzanne, still in Tulsa (but not shoppin' here) -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 00:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:31:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Problem is fixed Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:29:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.8290.0> Precedence: bulk Apparently I didn't tin the tip enough when I first started using it. He taught me how to keep the iron clean and even gave me a bottle of the Muriac Acid free. Caren What did I say about tinning new bits...start tinning as soon as the new bit starts to heat and melt solder before it starts to oxidise. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 03:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:40:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks to all re:new grinder Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:39:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981030053923.007a07d0@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk wow!.......thanks to all the kind folks out there who responded to my new grinder question so quickly and i will be sure to save all the info passed my way.........it is a nice feeling when even some of the "simpler" questions do not go unnoticed especially when posted by a newbie.........i will no doubt be posting more in the future, so please bear in mind that i am new to this art form and will have a lot of "basic" questions...........thanks again to all!........now, does anybody out there know where i put my band-aids??............Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 04:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:31:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Suzanne'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass "School" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.13036.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I checked out the prices for the schools at your local shop. Seem high to me. I guess when you call yourself a "glass school" as compared to a glass shop owner giving a class, the prices go up. For instance, I wouldn't expect to pay more than $10 per class for the Beginning Stained Glass class the is only 2.5 hours per session. I think the shop owners around here (3 that I frequent and am on their mailing lists) figure that if they have 10 folks, that's $100/hour plus what they are gong to make in the sales of flux, glass and bigger things. This seems an reasonable rate. Even on some of the other classes this place offers, the $65 price would most likely be about $50 around here. Maybe having 3 shops within a 50 mile radius keeps them hones, I dunno. For the prices they are charging, I would really expect "one on one" tutoring and personal proficiancy upon completion. Most of the classes I have been to offer instruction in a specific area, guidance and experience from the shop owner. She (he) doesn't teach what they themselves have not done and enjoy. Surely, there is another class somewhere in Tulsa that you can compare shop. Linda This is their website. Would any of you mind checking out their class descriptions and tell me what you think of their prices for classes? http://www.bohminc.com/ Suzanne, guess if they see this, I am unwelcome there now! :-p ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 04:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:56:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <19981030115453.BVYG10998@vic> Precedence: bulk The prices you quote per foot are extremely high. Especially if they represent a square foot price. I have never bought a one square foot piece. The glass is usually around 14"x20" (1.9 sq. ft) or larger and run from about $6.00 to $20+ per piece. This represents a price of $3 to $10+ per sq. ft. I live in New Jersey in the New York Metro area where the cost of living is as high as it gets and have not paid nearly the prices you quote. There are a number of retailers, discounter's, wholesalers and distributors within a reasonable travel distance from me that all seem to be within a respectable price range (retail) with each other. Competition and market forces usually guarantee this. Some a little higher or lower but for the most part they sell at competitive prices. I have bought glass outside the area when I have the time to travel but for the most part I like to buy locally and keep the money the in the area. Paying a "little more" doesn't bother me since I get the opportunity to see the glass first hand. This helps me to match colors better and to get a better sense of mixing colors and textures. Also, since I am a comparative beginner I get to pick up a few hints and advice at the same time. If what you say about their prices is true, it sounds like a great opportunity for someone to enter into the market with a sound business plan. The competition and market forces will generally weed out the un-sophisticated and/or the unreasonable. There are a number of mail order suppliers out there that have good prices. Two that I have dealt with come to mind, Warner Crivallero and Delphi. I have done business with them and have found them to be very reliable. In both cases the people I've dealt with took the time to answer any questions I needed answers to. Good luck. Ciao Vic ---------- > From: Suzanne > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Buying glass > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 1:16 PM > > Well folks, my old well of glass was about to dry up, so I head for my > local retailers shop this am. > > Being broke, my husband limited me to $30! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH > I got some...but not what I wanted. Boy have retail glass prices gone > up in the last 15 yrs! The glass I really really wanted was a gorgeous > multicolored bullseye...that was $17 a ft. Didnt get it. > > The most expensive glass I bought was some yellow spectrum for $12 a ft. > An expensive sun that'll be. > Was able to get enough glass for $36 that will get me through maybe two > more projects until I can get more. > The majority of their glass was priced at $10 a ft or more. At least of > the glass I wanted. Very little glass priced below that. A few peices > for around $7 a ft. Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now > on! I cant afford my local retailer! > > Shocked back into reality!! I might have made more just selling that > nice glass I have saved over the last 15 yrs!! ;o) > > Tulsa Suzanne, who is gonna be using small scrap peices soon! > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 04:59:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:35:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: buying glass (aka collecting glass) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:34:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.123458.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, I am a hopeless glass buying addict, have it stored all over the place, under the bed, behind the dressers......you name it, you can find glass stashed. I watch for sales. Ask your "local high priced shop" if they have any annual sales, advertised sales or even unadvertised sales. One shop here has a sunrise sale once a year, from 5 am to 6 am glass is half priced, every hour the sale is reduced by 10 percent till 10 am when it is full price again. I think all the shops I go to have some kind of great sales a couple times a year. Also, you said you are meeting a bungi person, quiz them on their suppliers. Network, network, network....... Ok, worst comes to worst, get on a plane and come glass shopping with me. At the prices your retailer charges you are going to be able to afford the plane fare. Are they the only shop near Tulsa? I live kinda sorta near Detroit and know where 5 or 6 shops are (within 25 miles) plus can drive about an hour and a half and get to Delphi. Good luck, SHOP ON....... Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 05:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:42:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301233.HAA04715@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I just hadnt priced any glass mail order since.. > > 1. I wanted to hand pick the glass out myself. Guess that is a luxury I > will have to do without now. Sorry, Suzanne, this got a little long: Personally selecting glass is certainly one of the reasons one would want to (and should, if at all possible) support one's local retailer. It becomes more difficult to give that support, though, if it becomes apparent that the local retailer is ripping one off. They have to be both supportive and price-conscious, particularly given the fact that they no longer have their customers locked down. One of the long-standing complaints of retailers has been that their suppliers (like D&L or Ed Hoy or a number of other "wholesale-only" companies) would also sell directly to the retail customers. One of the driving provisions of the AGSA (Art Glass Suppliers Association, which represents manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers alike) is that wholesalers will sell only to retailers, thus allowing retailers to "lock down" their local customers, freezing them out of wholesale prices. It's an anti-growth attitude, in my opinion, since it means that those who imitate their local suppliers by becoming professional themselves, opening a storefront, wanting to sell supplies as well, can't (or shouldn't) be allowed to do so. Of course, in practice it hasn't worked that way, since many (if not most) of the wholesalers are more pragmatic than that and are willing to put up with the screams of local retailers who see new competitors rising up around them. Such retailers would prefer there be no competition at all, allowing them to overcharge and underserve their customers. Such retailers, in my opinion, shouldn't be in business very long because, as said, they're being unbusinesslike. Thankfully, as Arnold points out, they're few in number. > the grinder. When I asked her to quote a price on the Glastar all star, > she said $275...I said "WHEW, that's high" She said "Yes, they are > expensive." I then told her that I could get it for more than $100 > less, so I would have to go with that, she made no comment at all. I hope she's thinking about it. You made it pretty clear that she's losing a customer because she's overcharging. Given the fact that she no longer is without competition, that even other retailers are getting online and will sell to her local customers, she'd be smart to respond to all of that with more customer support and more competitive pricing. > I had thought about taking some classes there...when I can afford > to.. Would any of you mind checking out their class > descriptions and tell me what you think of their prices for > classes? Theirs is a pretty typical setup. They do commissions, sell supplies and teach classes so they can sell more supplies and, as is usually the case, sometimes sell commission work to those who've learned that doing it themselves isn't what they want to do. I don't think their classes are terribly expensive ... and I'm impressed that they'd offer a course in general arts and artistic expression ("Expressive Arts: Play through art to break through to a new perspective on life. Discover new creative potential you didn't know you had, in an environment where you are encouraged to go wherever your creativity leads you"). Excellent at $65, since that's only $7.22/hour and includes materials. Their beginning stained glass class is a little more -- $9.60/hour with materials. Doesn't seem bad to me. I presume the rest of them are similarly priced and I'm impressed by their serious approach to the topics. Seems all right to me. Have fun! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 05:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:42:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301233.HAA04638@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > Suzanne, take the glass back. I'm sure they'll give you a refund. > Do you think I really could???????? Charles....get your shippers > ready!!! ;o) Wouldn't hurt to try. They can't do anything but say "no," and then you'd still have the glass. On the other hand, if you politely told them that you'd thought about the transaction and had decided that you had just paid too much, they might begin to think about the fact that charging more than the market will bear only results in losing customers over the long haul ... or even over the short haul. Arnold's right: most retailers are caring, thoughtful providers of that which seduced them, too. Glass and working with glass is a seductive thing and most retailers started out as hobbyists who became more professional, began teaching and dealing in supplies because it was a natural order of things. A few retailers think the world owes 'em a living, that the sky's the limit on what they can charge, and that customer service is unimportant. Heck, if you were treated badly at a supermarket, you'd take your business elsewhere, and most grocers would quickly identify that they were doing something wrong if they began losing customers ... and they'd make appropriate changes. In the stained glass retail business, though, too many shop owners simply take the attitude that it's someone else's fault that their customers are leaving: very unbusinesslike and unprofessional. It's normal to go where you're wanted, respected and are not overcharged or underappreciated. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 05:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:12:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re:Class Fees Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:11:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.121147.0> Precedence: bulk And I thought my local store was high! $175 for a 10 week course when they will be selling you supplies at a 200 percent markup is highway robbery! In Pa. when I started I took a six week course for $50 and then an eight week course at a different store for $30. During the first course, I purchased supplies totaling about $800. Here in Florida they are getting $80 for six weeks and between $30-$65 plus materials for one day seminars, which I thought was high til now. Anyone living near Tampa, I spoke to someone at the Home Show from Art-Z Glass Studio in Tampa and have their class schedule. They offer 3 hour special classes (decorative soldering, boxes, kaleidoscopes, picture frames) that range from $15-$30 (materials included). What a range of prices, and no wonder some of us have given up on our "local retailer". Brenda Marhon In a message dated 10/30/98 1:53:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: << This is their website. Would any of you mind checking out their class descriptions and tell me what you think of their prices for classes? http://www.bohminc.com/ >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 05:53:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:05:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: new grinder Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:03:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.13311.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/29/98 11:41:04 PM, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: >One overlooked safety point is to be sure and rinse all pieces off after >they are ground. [...] This may sound trivial, but it's true. The easy way to do that is to have an inch or so of water in the sink (or a dishpan if, like me, you don't have running water in your work area) and just put your pieces in the water immediately after grinding. Once you've got a small pile of pieces in the water, you can give your grinder a break while you dry off the pieces and lay them out. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 06:06:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:04:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.25236.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I live in an out of the way part of the world and consider myself lucky to have a stained glass studio/supplier in this area. Her classes are $8 for a 2 hour class, but the classes usually go on for however long, usually 3 hours with no extra charge. Sometimes it's a one on one basis when the teacher has a similar interest in doing what I'm attempting. She has a real interest in promoting stained glass and has a genuine love for it. Her prices depend on the glass, from $4.50 up to "I don't want to know, just add it to my bill please", type of glass. I've checked out her prices with other sites on the net and she's in the ballpark with them. I'd try to return the glass you hate and if the owner won't return your money, at least give you a credit towards something else. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 07:02:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:36:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: buying glass (aka collecting glass) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:45:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.14515.0> References: <<1998Oct30.123458.0>> Precedence: bulk > Also, you said you are meeting a bungi person, quiz them on their > suppliers. Network, network, network....... > > Ok, worst comes to worst, get on a plane and come glass shopping with me. At > the prices your retailer charges you are going to be able to afford the plane > fare. Are they the only shop near Tulsa? I did find another shop in Tulsa, havent been there yet. Will soon. The bungian I am meeting today doesnt live in Oklahoma. Sorry this is so short...not much time. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 07:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:15:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:40:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.34025.0> Precedence: bulk That old adage about bad apples in every barrel holds true in sg retailers too. I make no excuses for the bad business person....Thankfully they usually don't hang around very long. Shop around...Don't be satisfied with bad prices, poor selection, bad attitude, poor service, etc. The thing the retailer and the artist have in common is the love of the art and the medium. Talking and learning together is part of the fun. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Granny And PawPaw Cc: bungi Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Buying glass >I personally like that *sellers* are here on this list. And if *my* >local retailer is on this list lurking, she now knows why I wont be >shopping in her store anymore. > >I have seen you all over glass boards offering information to people >Arnold, and knew about you before I ever joined bungi...didnt know that >did ya? ;o) > >The retailer in question has shown *her* colors! Several times now in >fact. Her prices are way higher than what a sane person would pay. >Why in the world would I pay her over $100 more for a grinder, when I >could get it elsewhere and still buy groceries? I even told her that I >would rather buy it from her if her price was *close* to what I could >get it elsewhere. She could have still made a profit, and kept a >customer. She wasnt interested. > >Suzanne > >Granny And PawPaw wrote: >> >> It takes all kinds of people to make up the world. Please don't paint all >> retailers with the same brush. For every bad one there are many that will >> explain the best way, and most economical way, to do the job, will sell you >> the extra 6" needed to finish a project, will set up and try out the new >> piece of equipment with you before you take it home, and more at no extra >> charge. Don't sell the retailer short. They teach you how. I don't know >> one stained glass retailer that got rich at the trade. They're in it >> because they love the art and enjoy working with people. >> >> It's very hard working with some customers. Some, not any bungi of course, >> steal, chisel for nickels and dimes, special order items and buy it >> elsewhere sticking the retailer with items not normally carried, etc...But >> who's complaining ???? >> >> Yes, I am a retailer. I enjoy bungi because I learn from you and, I hope, I >> can contribute something worthwhile to the group. I am not trying to sell >> you anything. I do not, and will not, profit financially from our >> association. >> >> Buy where you want. If you can't find a quality retailer in your area, your >> loss is real. >> >> Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. 17086 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Albert Lewis >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:29 PM >> Subject: Re: Buying glass >> >> > >> >> > Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now >> >> >on! I cant afford my local retailer! >> > >> >That retailer would probably set up a howl that he/she isn't >> >"protected" by his/her suppliers, too. Some people forget that this >> >is a market economy, that they can fool some of the people for a >> >while, but that their customers are more resourceful than they give >> >them credit for. >> > >> >There are lots of alternatives to shopping with your local retailer >> >if your local retailer isn't businesslike (meaning: sensitive to >> >their customers' needs, pocketbooks, etc., as well as aware of the >> >alternatives available to them). >> > >> >Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 07:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:59:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:56:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.145611.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:40 29/10/98 -0600, Suzanne wrote: >All I can assume, is that they arent in business to be successful >retailers. I dont know how they can keep customers. Even their books >are $10 higher than what I find on any glass companies website. Looking at the website - they dont say they ARE a retailer, just a studio doing custom work. >I would like to take a class or more to learn lead construction, and >also to learn more about the structure of glass panels/windows, how to >install....etc... > Would any of you mind checking out their class >descriptions and tell me what you think of their prices for classes? The best way to judge the value of any courses offered if you are seriously interested would be to ask them what the course would cover, and for the names of a few previous students so you can see if they think the classes were worth taking. Difficult to judge from price alone, as value would depend on what you were getting for your money. For example - in our area we have one studio/retailer who offers very cheap courses (UK pounds 30 for 10 x 2 hour sessions), but is really only giving his students studio space and use of a few cheap tools plus the opportunity to buy supplies - which is a lot less than providing a structured course with one teacher there all the time to make sure you are learning the skills and help you if things go wrong. EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 07:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:59:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.45747.0> References: <<1998Oct29.175438.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > I personally like that *sellers* are here on this list. And if *my* > local retailer is on this list lurking, she now knows why I wont be > shopping in her store anymore. > > I have seen you all over glass boards offering information to people > Arnold, and knew about you before I ever joined bungi...didnt know that > did ya? ;o) > > The retailer in question has shown *her* colors! Several times now in > fact. Her prices are way higher than what a sane person would pay. > Why in the world would I pay her over $100 more for a grinder, when I > could get it elsewhere and still buy groceries? I even told her that I > would rather buy it from her if her price was *close* to what I could > get it elsewhere. She could have still made a profit, and kept a > customer. She wasnt interested. > > Suzanne > > Granny And PawPaw wrote: > > > > It takes all kinds of people to make up the world. Please don't paint all > > retailers with the same brush. For every bad one there are many that will > > explain the best way, and most economical way, to do the job, will sell you > > the extra 6" needed to finish a project, will set up and try out the new > > piece of equipment with you before you take it home, and more at no extra > > charge. Don't sell the retailer short. They teach you how. I don't know > > one stained glass retailer that got rich at the trade. They're in it > > because they love the art and enjoy working with people. > > > > It's very hard working with some customers. Some, not any bungi of course, > > steal, chisel for nickels and dimes, special order items and buy it > > elsewhere sticking the retailer with items not normally carried, etc...But > > who's complaining ???? > > > > Yes, I am a retailer. I enjoy bungi because I learn from you and, I hope, I > > can contribute something worthwhile to the group. I am not trying to sell > > you anything. I do not, and will not, profit financially from our > > association. > > > > Buy where you want. If you can't find a quality retailer in your area, your > > loss is real. > > > > Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. 17086 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Albert Lewis > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re: Buying glass > > > > > > > >> > Looks like I will be mail ordering glass from now > > >> >on! I cant afford my local retailer! > > > > > >That retailer would probably set up a howl that he/she isn't > > >"protected" by his/her suppliers, too. Some people forget that this > > >is a market economy, that they can fool some of the people for a > > >while, but that their customers are more resourceful than they give > > >them credit for. > > > > > >There are lots of alternatives to shopping with your local retailer > > >if your local retailer isn't businesslike (meaning: sensitive to > > >their customers' needs, pocketbooks, etc., as well as aware of the > > >alternatives available to them). > > > > > >Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the store i used to go to (but he moved away with out telling anyone), his prices were really good. though the selection was low... he was able to get my equipment at a good price (he would by 3 then send the other 2 back). he would cut large shaeets so i can buy it in smaller sections. his scrap (though mainly spectrum), 50 cents a pound. the pieces were fairly descent. solder prices about $5.50 for 50-50. now he's too far away for me to get to :( and i have to rely on the other expensive places. the store i mentioned with the half priced art glass sale; has the ringsaw. it was on sale, $450... i have know idea what that was down from. i got mine for about $300 (from houston i think - they were running a sale). so now i buy supplies every now and then. i'll stock up on solder when it's on sale, or i desperetly need it. and luckily i have more glass then i know what to do with... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 08:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:00:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.4452.0> References: <<19981030115453.BVYG10998@vic>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I agree with Vic, as I live on Long Island, New York, with the highest property tax and utility rates in the nation. I don't (and prolly never will) qualify for 'wholesale'. But looking at the prices, and class costs, they evoke some truisms I remember from when I was in retailing, a long time ago - One is from the selling side: Q - 'How much do we charge for this?' A - 'Whatever the market will bear' The other is from the consumer side - 'Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware'. I still go to the studio where I took lessons - The owner charged a group what he figured his time was worth of he were doing glass work - I had been waiting for a lead class, after the into and lamp classes. The lead class didn't materialize (two years). I asked if he was ever going to give a lead class. He said not enuff people showed interest. He said he needed 6 to make his nut, but only had 4 names. After explaining how he priced his classes, I said if the 4 of us upped the individual ante, and covered the number he 'needed', would he give it anyway? He gave the class to a group of 4 , which worked for me. He makes money selling supplies to his students, and many of the hobbiests still come to him for supplies. He is not out of line pricewise, with another far larger studio nearby, even though the volume his buys is relatively small, given he is a one man business. He knows I buy gfrom W/C and Delphi, and others, as some of the specials, he can't get that price. If he can get 'special packages, he will let some of us know, and buy more than his usual stock. I bought my bandsaw that way. SOME retailers get the 'deal' prices, and increase their profits by not passing the effect of the 'deal' to the retail price. The bottom line is, it's good to have loyalty to your local shops, but is it loyalty to screw someone just 'cuz you're the only game in town? Vic LaGreca wrote: > > > I live in New Jersey in the New York Metro area where the cost of living is > as high as it gets and have not paid nearly the prices you quote. There > are a number of retailers, discounter's, wholesalers and distributors > within a reasonable travel distance from me that all seem to be within a > respectable price range (retail) with each other. Competition and market > forces usually guarantee this. Some a little higher or lower but for the > most part they sell at competitive prices. > > I have bought glass outside the area when I have the time to travel but for > the most part I like to buy locally and keep the money the in the area. > Paying a "little more" doesn't bother me since I get the opportunity to see > the glass first hand. This helps me to match colors better and to get a > better sense of mixing colors and textures. Also, since I am a comparative > beginner I get to pick up a few hints and advice at the same time. > > If what you say about their prices is true, it sounds like a great > opportunity for someone to enter into the market with a sound business > plan. The competition and market forces will generally weed out the > un-sophisticated and/or the unreasonable. > > There are a number of mail order suppliers out there that have good prices. > Two that I have dealt with come to mind, Warner Crivallero and Delphi. I > have done business with them and have found them to be very reliable. In > both cases the people I've dealt with took the time to answer any questions > I needed answers to. > > Good luck. > > Ciao > > Vic > -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 08:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cheap Glass Was: glass prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:08:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.5839.0> Precedence: bulk To Suzanne and All: Some of my favorite glass shopping is when my two favorite shops get in their latest boxes of cheaper glass. I guess it's t-glass but I get some of the best buys. The sheets are (8" x 12") or (12" x 12") and usually there are at least 4-5 sheets of the same glass per carton. They go for between $2.00 and $4.00 per sheet and I stock up. Sure, it may not be something I can get more of if I need it but the price is right, the selection is great and I get to stock up on glass that always comes in handy and you don't see it every where you turn. Three of my favorite pieces so far: - an opaque lime-ish green, the color of old Navy coffee mugs (I got 3 of these) - opaque cream/peach that I use for flesh tones (I got 4 of these) - a beautiful red that is too dark to be called baroque and too swirley to be called cathedral (a shame - only one of these) Whenever I see my very favorite green glass I take all I can get. It is a light green the color of coke bottle glass turned into beach glass. Has the same frostyness/bubblyness bulit in, kind of like too much baking soda was added to the peanut brittle recipe, if you are a cook. This glass makes great coca cola night lights and suncatchers for those friends who are into coke. By the way, I drew my own pattern for coke bottle and will e-mail to any one who asks. It is about 6" tall, 3 pieces and EASY. That's all,,,, Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 08:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Band-aids Date: Fri Oct 30 07:39:25 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.51525.0> Precedence: bulk Bill My band-aids are on a shelf above my workbench collecting dust. After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice them. (In an effort to avoid new battles: they do get cleaned and disinfected once they get noticed.) Mostly the band-aids are used for visitors who don't understand "Don't touch the glass!!". Vic -----Original Message----- From: bill [mailto:shmilly@netcom.ca] Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 5:39 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: thanks to all re:new grinder wow!.......thanks to all the kind folks out there who responded to my new grinder question so quickly and i will be sure to save all the info passed my way.........it is a nice feeling when even some of the "simpler" questions do not go unnoticed especially when posted by a newbie.........i will no doubt be posting more in the future, so please bear in mind that i am new to this art form and will have a lot of "basic" questions...........thanks again to all!........now, does anybody out there know where i put my band-aids??............Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 08:55:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:59:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csi.com!doverbay From: "Daniel" To: "bill" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: thanks to all re:new grinder Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct29.235927.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 3:29 AM Subject: thanks to all re:new grinder >wow!.......thanks to all the kind folks out there who responded to my new >grinder question so quickly and i will be sure to save all the info passed >my way.........it is a nice feeling when even some of the "simpler" >questions do not go unnoticed especially when posted by a newbie.........i >will no doubt be posting more in the future, so please bear in mind that i >am new to this art form and will have a lot of "basic" >questions...........thanks again to all!........now, does anybody out there >know where i put my band-aids??............Bill > I would like to add that I just purchased my new Glastar Allstar....... And I appreciated the advise also.... Re: your retailers prices........ I priced an Allstar at my local retailer at $215........ I ended up getting it mailorder for $185.......... (however they ended up charging me $35 for shipping....) If I had gotten the local retailers.....I would have gotten 20% for spending more than $100.....sigh I guess it all evens out........ I also made a big boo boo.......and was too emabarrassed to say anything..... I chose this wonderful Kokomo iradecsent(sp?) turquoise..... When I got home and reviewed the prices on my sales slip.....I saw that it cost by the pound and that that one peice had cost more that all the other six glasses together..... I put that glass to a very good use....but have learned a lesson.........(I don't think it would hurt to let my local retailer know that I am only beginning and am more interested in budget glass) Daniel in Oregon living and learning........ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 08:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301609.LAA06120@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Looking at the website - they dont say they ARE a retailer, just a studio > doing custom work. You give good advice about choosing a class, Elizabeth. As far as their being a retailer *and a studio, their web page (I'm right, am I not, that we're talking about http://www.bohminc.com/ ?) says, "The principles of craftsmanship along with technique are taught at the school, while the adjoining showroom carries a full range of tools, supplies and patterns to help crafters create their decorative stained glass pieces." From that I deduced that they're selling supplies ... but maybe it's only for their students. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 09:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:12:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass class prices Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301609.LAA05669@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I live in an out of the way part of the world and consider myself lucky > to have a stained glass studio/supplier in this area. Her classes are > $8 for a 2 hour class, but the classes usually go on for however long, > usually 3 hours with no extra charge. I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order to draw people in. If class size were limited, that would make them all the more desireable to those who didn't get in. (The "Studio 54" approach.) Since they would have to buy their supplies and tools, that'd be the profit center. At $4/hour, as you say, Carol, your retailer's not only smart, but loves glass as much as you do. You're lucky to have such a sensible, sharing supplier close at hand. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 09:30:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301609.LAA05877@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk >The thing the > retailer and the artist have in common is the love of the art and the > medium. Talking and learning together is part of the fun. Well said, Arnold. I agree wholeheartedly. And any customer who finds a retailer who's as excited about glass as they are themselves and who's sharing with the information they have won't mind paying a reasonable markup for the convenience of shopping nearby, as well as for the comradeship that's found there. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 09:43:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:24:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Buying glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:29:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301619.LAA06104@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > the store i used to go to (but he moved away with out telling anyone), > his prices were really good. though the selection was low... he was able > to get my equipment at a good price (he would by 3 then send the other 2 > back). Oy! I can see why he moved away without telling anyone ... and why his suppliers might have taken exception to buying 3 and sending two back, if he meant to get the "3-price" and keep his costs down. Just a wee tad dishonest to my way of thinking. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 09:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:44:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Band-aids Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:50:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301640.LAA06340@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > My band-aids are on a shelf above my workbench collecting dust. > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice > them. Reminds me of being a boy and helping my dad with the bees. He had 70 hives. After a while, you wouldn't notice the stings, in fact if a bee got under your clothing, you'd press your hand to it to make it sting you, because the suspense was worse than the sting itself. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 10:03:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:53:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: abelink.com!prairieviolet From: "Di Baker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Email Address Change Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <16340735232270@abelink.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! My ISP has been bought out & we have lost our email address -- I would appreciate if someone can remind me how to change from rbaker@abelink.com to prairieviolet@abelink.com for this list. Thank you, Di Baker Prairie Violet Stained Glass prairieviolet@abelink.com Lincoln IL USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 10:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:00:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.abelink.com!rbaker From: rbaker To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 12:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: <16411314432320@abelink.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone... I apologize if this comes through the list twice )): We have lost our email address since our ISP was bought out -- I need to change to: prairieviolet@abelink.com -- our old address was: rbaker@abelink.com. I appreciate any instructions on how to do this! Purrs, Di Baker Prairie Violet Stained Glass Di Baker & Deb Menken Prairie Violet Stained Glass prairieviolet@abelink.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 11:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: fusers Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199810301813.NAA15788@detroit.freenet.org> Precedence: bulk I found an hotglass site on the web from Montreal who was pushing Blenko bottoms and other Blenko scrap products. Does anyone know what they are used for and is there any advantage to fusing with Blenko? Have a couple of old fusing books, Harriet Anderson and Kay Kinney, but might be willing to purchase another. Would anyone recommend Gil Reynolds over Lunstrom? Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 11:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:15:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.21556.0> Precedence: bulk My views............... I teach classes (not lately though due to SEVERE arthritis in ALL BOTH HIPS)...........I sell supplies both direct to the customer and an occasional drop ship from a "net" order. I teach an 8 week BEGINNER class on LAMPS (no suncatchers, geegaws or doodads). Tuition is $40.00 for 8, 3 hour sessions (yes, Martha it is REALLY $1.666666 per hour). In my un-limited greed, I ask for a minimum of 8 persons. The supplies I am able to sell does help to make it worth while. After a bit most students have all the equipment I FEEL is necessary to work effectively and the only future sales are for expendables. I take a VERY dim view of being chiseled for a few cents by using the "pseudo wholesalers" and do not go all out to assist, set up, explain, and or facilitate warranty work on items NOT purchased from me. I loan out grinders, let my students try out stuff and explain the Morton Jig system. I will take back UNCUT sheets purchased from me. I do not buy/re-sell used equipment. To my students, my expertise is given freely and in most cases class time is not an issue. I do maintain some protectiveness of my shop and it is NOT open for "visiting" unless I specifically invite someone or they are BUYING supplies for a shade. I BUY either in person or via truck shipping (adds about $1.00 per square foot) most of my sheet glass. General pricing of glass is based on handmade and Spectrum. Spectrum starts about $6.50 sq./ft and goes to $10.00 for rid pink. Handmaids start about $14.00 to $20 or so for gold pink ripples. I do ONLY sq./ft pricing and always round DOWN the sq./ft to even sizes and usually take OFF the odd cents on the billing. I cut the stuff to sizes needed for a lamp and will NOT snick off an end to satisfy someone. My panel lamps are designed (by me) to cut cleanly (without waste) out of 24x24 sheets. The Tiffany type shades all are cut from full sheets of Yogo, Bullseye, or Uro. I keep accurate records of glass usage and will set aside (for months) extra glass for projects my students who are working on should they need a bit more. I have very little cathedrals and transparent glass. I will rent and or sell Odyssey forms, help will all aspects of patterns, as well as suggestions on how to "improve" some areas of the instructions. I have a set of "my" way for most of the Odyssey and some of the Worden forms. I used to post them all to the newsgroup, but decided after a lot of "counter instructions" from persons who have YET to make a shade, to stop defending and explaining my methods ( an ego problem, perhaps). I am toying with the idea of offering an "internet" glass on lampmaking, but as earlier stated, I do NEED some compensation for the time. INTERESTED???????e-mail me privately. I do make everyone HAPPY, some by entering, others by leaving.......and with that leave, enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 11:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:43:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Albert Lewis'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bees was band-aids OT Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.84421.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, I really enjoyed that post about the bee stings. This is my first year as a beekeeper and I can really relate to that. The little girls want to fly around my face, till I have to walk away, and one will always follow me. I've gotten so I keep the veil nearby but don't wear it much unless the bees are really pissy. We all know that bees only sting once but I heard a story about a man who got a hornet in his mouth and in the process of trying to get it out, got stung on the tongue several times. He finally had to chomp down on the hornet to get it to "th-top th-tinging". :) Love my little girls. Started out with 2 hives this spring, lost one. Will have 4 next year. Can't imagine having 70 but who knows, it is addictive. We got 2-1/2 gallons of honey from the one hive. Really had to choke down a laugh when a new neighbor came to complain about some sort of wasp/hornet/bee thingies milling about her newly painted house. She said with a straight face, "Are your bees out today?" Wanted to say, "All but Hilda came home last night. That little tramp just runs the neighborhod." Linda -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net] > My band-aids are on a shelf above my workbench collecting dust. > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice > them. Reminds me of being a boy and helping my dad with the bees. He had 70 hives. After a while, you wouldn't notice the stings, in fact if a bee got under your clothing, you'd press your hand to it to make it sting you, because the suspense was worse than the sting itself. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 11:59:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:46:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:45:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.184555.0> Precedence: bulk The only complaint about the retailers that I have dealth with throughout my years of working with glass is.......they do not tag the glass with the maker and the color number. So many times I have bought glass and used it later....when I needed another piece of it, I would take a small sample with me and they could not tell me what it was. Also, by looking at the finished pieces in the store....I would like a piece of glass and the people in there could not definitely tell me what it was. I learned early on....if I really like a piece of glass to buy as much of it as I could afford. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 12:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:20:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: to Bill/re bandaids/suggestion to ALL! Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:59:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.25918.0> Precedence: bulk A minor suggestion....... Due to "visitors" not minding your admonishments..............I suggest if you DO NOT already have liability insurance. LOOK into it. Without quoting rates, I found it VERY afordable to cover myself for the few people who actually get to see my shop. It was a simple and cheap add-on to my homeowners as my shop is attached to my home..... Also a "cost of doing business" and should be tax deductible! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 12:33:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Band-aids Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199810301924.LAA02850@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice > them. > Vic You're right, you don't notice them till you start dripping blood on your glass. THAT'S why I use bandaids, to keep my glass unbloodied. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 12:56:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:56:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Sue Becker'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: fusers Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:21:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.92140.0> Precedence: bulk Blenko has a web site. http://www.citynet.net/blenko/ I visited there recently. Bottoms are the bottoms of large blown bottles that they cut the bottomout of (hence the name). They then split the cylinder on the side and roll it open and flatten it. Makes flat glass like the old days. I don't know about the fusing properties, tho. Linda Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Sue Becker [SMTP:ae479@detroit.freenet.org] Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 1:14 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: fusers I found an hotglass site on the web from Montreal who was pushing Blenko bottoms and other Blenko scrap products. Does anyone know what they are used for and is there any advantage to fusing with Blenko? Have a couple of old fusing books, Harriet Anderson and Kay Kinney, but might be willing to purchase another. Would anyone recommend Gil Reynolds over Lunstrom? Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 13:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:01:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Howard and Elaine Rubin'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.95548.0> Precedence: bulk Howard, I am very interested in your on-line lamp class. Please let me know when you start. After the panel lamp, I am ready for some more of your instruction. Linda Linda Campbell lcbell@memach.com swampflk@visi.net 3656 Desert Road suffolk, VA 23434 757-986-3557 home 757-543-6801, ext. 394 work ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 13:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:07:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: This is really for Elisabeth Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.4103.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I would really like to see your class on the English Method. Anyway you could video tape it(for a slight compensation) for the rest of us who can not afford the trip? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 13:31:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:45:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:45:08 PST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.19458.0> Precedence: bulk >From: "Albert Lewis" >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: glass class prices >Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:41 +0000 > >I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order >to draw people in. If class size were limited, that would make them >all the more desireable to those who didn't get in. (The "Studio 54" >approach.) Since they would have to buy their supplies and tools, >that'd be the profit center Hi, Albert I always wondered why they didnt offer free classes too. UNTIL I learned something a few months ago. I helped some kids at our UU fellowship make some small stones with the scrape glass I had. They really enjoyed it and some of the other adult members and parents want me to do a one day class for them. So I agreed to do it. Most wanted to do something a little larger. I got all the materials together, created an instruction outline, and sent out mailers to the 19! people that signed up. On the day of the class 3 people showed up! All that extra work and effort down the drain. I was planning on just charging a small fee on the day of the class to cover my costs. I heard the full range of excuses the next week. I talked to our local glass retailer about my experience. He said they always charge a fee. Sometimes even just a token $5 registration fee for brief seminars. To him it seems that if its free, a person registering for a class can blow it off more easily, and they seem to be more willing to keep a commitment if they paid a little up front. Thanks Alex Gacic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 14:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying glass (Suzanne in Tulsa) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199810302107.VAA01692@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, I have followed this thread wirth considerable interest. The inputs have come from a surprising number of people (even Dani got out of her lurk-mode!) I myself thought that the prices for Spectrum glass was way over the top - even compared to UK prices. The input from Elizabeth in Bournmouth (UK) was therefore very valueable, since she is a retailer (as well) in UK, - which I am not. My watchful eye over my own students' pockets/budgets is well documented....;-> In the end, I think , Suzanne may well just have to put it down to experience...... Personally I have been delighted at Suzanne's progress and courage; we are frequently in touch off-group. She is now wanting to venture into leading techniques . I had a look at the site she gave us for her nearest source of classes: http://www.bohminc.com/ These were my first gut-reactions (subject to persuasion - as always!!!); I hated the split screen, the top half of which I couldn't do anything about, the bottom bit I could only see/read about 3-4 lines at a time. The text was badly planned, so that one paragraph floated into another of different content. Contents??? A bit of hot air and fancy language and not much substance.... I myself contributed an article to Common Ground last spring about "Why Attend Classes" (and you can read it on the IGGA web-site under Common Ground). The Tulsa site lists under Benefits of Attending Classes, amongst 1-2 others as - Knowledge of s.g. will add a unique facet to your personality; - ...... a (+ superlative) source of stress management - ...win greater respect with your new hobby Maybe it's just a case of over-sensitive European intestines that goes "cringe"... but I DID cringe..... You know guys! I is doin' stained glass so that yer' ALL will respect me more......! Gee whizz! Another "European Cringe" resulted when they showed an example of their own work, which they then proceeded to call "stunning" (talk about blowing your own horn....). The historical notes are a bit haphazard and lead gets a fleeting look-in. I did also note the not so subtle comment about their retail shop being in the next room for all students to purchase all the gear (... yep... seen this, been there, done it, but refused the FREE T-shirt!!!) The emphasis is on FUN, KUDOS, STRESS-MANAGEMENT and STATUS. In that spirit, this may be a very wonderful course to attend (and please note that I have said this!!). If you are - in any case - already hooked, already love stained glass, don't need status, don't need kudos, but really want to learn about the "nuts & bolts".... I would take a deep breath here and look for alternatives. Prices: I found the prices difficult to fathom. A one-off 7.30 - 9 pm drawing class costs USD65 (it stated materials provided...? A3 paper, pencils, rubbers, Sharpies, 'n a ruler....?) Yet another 2-session class was USD175 plus USD 65 for materials. The course descriptions are couched in fancy language, but I was unable to see any structure, substance, aims or goals in the write-up. Somewhere in the "blurb" was even a mention of a written Certificate. Wow!! Proving what? That you have spent USD 175.... or whatever...? I have never once given a "Certificate" to any of my students (I have been "dished out" many myself, that are piled up in some forgotten drawer somewhere....). Some of my students have gone on to study stained glass seriously at proper Universities here in UK. The University Authorities have approached me on a number of occasions for written references and evaluations. I myself am now going to school to get nationally recognized qualifications as a teacher. Only THEN can I honestly say that a written Certificate that I sign is worth slightly more than the value of the paper and the printer-ink..... But perhaps I am punitive..... I base my comments on the rather nepharious claims of one particular - yet similar - retailer/supplier not a million miles away from myself, that claim that they are the "only qualified people" to teach stained glass in UK (not a single person in that establishment has a single even-half- recognized qualification whatsoever) , that their retail facility is the ONLY one in UK (to which about 5 or 6 of us in UK really hauled them over the coals about.... so they changed their arrogant Home Page claim to read "The Only One of Any Note".... i.e. just as arrogant...). I have a 6-year battle to take them down a peg or two..... am almost winning.... (at least they have dropped the price of their bog-standard 75W soldering irons from UKSterling 56 to about 30.... which is at least something.... A UK produced 100-watt soldering iron costs UK Sterling 12.... in comparison... For UK People: Draper.... though I am slightly concerned about the heat build-up in the handle.). Your retailer in Tulsa sounds very much in a similar mold...... (This big-mouthed retailer in UK got off the ground , close to an American Air-Force base in UK, to provide a pass-time for bored American Air-Force officers' housewives in the 70's, with much bloated household budgets to spend on expensive little frivolities in England. The American Air-Force has now long since departed back to USA, but this stained glass retailer has not yet seen fit to re-adjust to Real Life...). However, Arnold makes a very valid and true plea for the sincere genuine supplier and "facilitator". These are the type of s.g. suppliers that really will endure. They will have tough times too........ But as we have so often said on Bungi, loyalty is a 2-way traffic. Hopefully, I will get to meet Arnold too when I get across to USA. As regards UK, genuine suppliers/retailers are far and few between; Hetleys in London is by far the oldest, authoritative, "real" and most prestigeous; Goddards and Gibbs ( a real old UK stained glass studio) used to run a retail arm, years ago; Elizabeth Law in Bournemouth (a long way from here) is an agent/representative of Hetleys and I am still working on getting down to the UK South Coast to visit her and Sam. I am not myself a retailer, I eat through what I create (or teach), - and I very much depend on honesty, sincerity and commitment by retailers that also buy in for the hobbyists.... and gives me an odd corner, the odd deal. "Professional commercial status deals" such as you have them in USA just do not exist over here in England.... Luckily for me, my old contacts with Goddards & Gibbs (having bullied them to teach me) gives me a few "breaks" and a few insights, and now and then to a cheap deal.... Hetleys are very difficult to "draw out" into modern 21st century world of web-site, e-mail communication and - let's drop the British stiff-upper-lip-attitude".. I get the feel that Hetleys have created a web-site more as a "sop" to what is actually happening in today's world than a wish to really be THERE. A great pity, because they really are a considerable authority, with serious knowledge and feel of history, know-how, a great source of supplies and wish to help the individual artist in UK. Which is why I put great store by what EliZabeth Law has to say, what she and Sam do in Bournemouth and THEIR contribution - not only on Bungi - but also here in UK. We need more people like them "Over Here". I have already said to Suzanne off-group that I would very much hope to see her next year, either in Allentown and/or wherever else I manage to get to during my visit. Maybe I can take this even a step further to say, Suzanne, if you can get there ("whereever"), I'll be happy to take you through good, basic, sound leading techniques without "frills". What will happen over and above my visit to Charles Warner in Allentown is still totally and completely in the melting pot. Luckily there are many months ahead to plan. To me, someone like Suzanne would be a total delight for me to try and share what I know about working with lead. So, if she can get "there".... I am sure that postings earlier on this autumn from people offering camp-beds to "financially challenged", long-distance travellers in USA would embrace Suzanne in Tulsa as well.... What I have enjoyed so much is, that everyone appears to have rallied round to help Suzanne. It beams right "Across the Pond"..... Oh Dear!!! I've got on my old soap-box again...... I'm too tired to duck! No WAY Patrick!!!! I am certainly NOT passionate!!! Just get on with your fitting appointments for your tu-tu!! Time is a-passing..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 14:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:52:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: artglassw.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Buying Glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:54:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.45423.0> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Margie; The majority of retailers I've been to list the stock # of the glass either on glass itself, on the sample display or on the receipt. In our store, we have it on all three. Those who don't, do so primarly because they don't want you to order from someone else which is reasonable. Remember, you can get all the tips you want from a board like this, but if you need to SEE how to do or use something, you need that local store. Don't expect the retail store owner to help you if you pick their brain and than order from a catalog or the net. This comes from a person that does sell supplies over the net. Remember, if you don't buy locally, there will not be a store there to help you out when you need it. Dave Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://www.artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies Romajoco@aol.com wrote: > The only complaint about the retailers that I have dealth with throughout my > years of working with glass is.......they do not tag the glass with the maker > and the color number. So many times I have bought glass and used it > later....when I needed another piece of it, I would take a small sample with > me and they could not tell me what it was. Also, by looking at the finished > pieces in the store....I would like a piece of glass and the people in there > could not definitely tell me what it was. > > I learned early on....if I really like a piece of glass to buy as much of it > as I could afford. > > Margie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://www.artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 14:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Band-aids Date: Fri Oct 30 13:16:23 1998 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.105223.0> Precedence: bulk Fortunately my blood was replaced by Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey during my college years. What drips on my glass is closer to bourbon that blood. The good part is this makes the cut self disinfecting and the alcohol is great for cleaning off the marker lines on the glass. I have also been told that blood is good for irridized glass. That is why they manufacture it so you get cut no mater how hard you try not to. A former "student" of mine would bleed as soon as she saw it. Her blood gave the glass a special look. Vic the B+ (for bourbon positive) Vampire -----Original Message----- From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:tuka@bc.sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 6:29 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Band-aids > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice > them. > Vic You're right, you don't notice them till you start dripping blood on your glass. THAT'S why I use bandaids, to keep my glass unbloodied. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 14:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:39:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.11330.0> Precedence: bulk If you were to move to Tulsa you'd be sure to get at least one customer. Right Suzanne ???? Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin To: glass@bungi Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 2:42 PM Subject: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata >My views............... >I teach classes (not lately though due to SEVERE arthritis in ALL BOTH >HIPS)...........I sell supplies both direct to the customer and an >occasional drop ship from a "net" order. > >I teach an 8 week BEGINNER class on LAMPS (no suncatchers, geegaws or >doodads). >Tuition is $40.00 for 8, 3 hour sessions (yes, Martha it is REALLY $1.666666 >per hour). In my un-limited greed, I ask for a minimum of 8 persons. The >supplies I am able to sell does help to make it worth while. After a bit >most students have all the equipment I FEEL is necessary to work effectively >and the only future sales are for expendables. I take a VERY dim view of >being chiseled for a few cents by using the "pseudo wholesalers" and do not >go all out to assist, set up, explain, and or facilitate warranty work on >items NOT purchased from me. I loan out grinders, let my students try out >stuff and explain the Morton Jig system. I will take back UNCUT sheets >purchased from me. I do not buy/re-sell used equipment. > >To my students, my expertise is given freely and in most cases class time is >not an issue. I do maintain some protectiveness of my shop and it is NOT >open for "visiting" unless I specifically invite someone or they are BUYING >supplies for a shade. > >I BUY either in person or via truck shipping (adds about $1.00 per square >foot) most of my sheet glass. General pricing of glass is based on handmade >and Spectrum. Spectrum starts about $6.50 sq./ft and goes to $10.00 for rid >pink. Handmaids start about $14.00 to $20 or so for gold pink ripples. I do >ONLY sq./ft pricing and always round DOWN the sq./ft to even sizes and >usually take OFF the odd cents on the billing. > >I cut the stuff to sizes needed for a lamp and will NOT snick off an end to >satisfy someone. My panel lamps are designed (by me) to cut cleanly (without >waste) out of 24x24 sheets. The Tiffany type shades all are cut from full >sheets of Yogo, Bullseye, or Uro. I keep accurate records of glass usage >and will set aside (for months) extra glass for projects my students who are >working on should they need a bit more. I have very little cathedrals and >transparent glass. > >I will rent and or sell Odyssey forms, help will all aspects of patterns, as >well as suggestions on how to "improve" some areas of the instructions. I >have a set of "my" way for most of the Odyssey and some of the Worden forms. >I used to post them all to the newsgroup, but decided after a lot of >"counter instructions" from persons who have YET to make a shade, to stop >defending and explaining my methods ( an ego problem, perhaps). > > I am toying with the idea of offering an "internet" glass on lampmaking, >but as earlier stated, I do NEED some compensation for the time. >INTERESTED???????e-mail me privately. > >I do make everyone HAPPY, some by entering, others by leaving.......and with >that leave, > >enjoy, H > > > > >weaver51@teleport.com >http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" >enmeshed in the internet >trapped in the world wide web > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 15:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.122842.0> References: <<199810301609.LAA05669@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I live in an out of the way part of the world and consider myself lucky > > to have a stained glass studio/supplier in this area. Her classes are > > $8 for a 2 hour class, but the classes usually go on for however long, > > usually 3 hours with no extra charge. > > I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order > to draw people in. If class size were limited, that would make them > all the more desireable to those who didn't get in. (The "Studio 54" > approach.) Since they would have to buy their supplies and tools, > that'd be the profit center. At $4/hour, as you say, Carol, your > retailer's not only smart, but loves glass as much as you do. You're > lucky to have such a sensible, sharing supplier close at hand. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the only problem i see with that logic is, that you'll get all kinds of weirdos who've always wanted to do stained glass. the type of people who may wind up breaking your tools, because they really don't care. or just getting them thar people who want to know how to do that stainglass thang. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 15:35:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:31:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.123147.0> References: <<199810301619.LAA06104@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > the store i used to go to (but he moved away with out telling anyone), > > his prices were really good. though the selection was low... he was able > > to get my equipment at a good price (he would by 3 then send the other 2 > > back). > > Oy! I can see why he moved away without telling anyone ... and why > his suppliers might have taken exception to buying 3 and sending two > back, if he meant to get the "3-price" and keep his costs down. Just > a wee tad dishonest to my way of thinking. > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe, but his supplier allowed it. his prices were still the cheapest. he mainly moved becaused they hiked up the rent too much. oh well... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 15:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.123415.0> Precedence: bulk This is for those of you who say you can't draw and can't design....and who feel less than, well, a genius after viewing those latest sites Mike found... here's a way I use up my scraps and get some interesting pieces. I tend to do this with clears, but you could try blues and whites, for example. I find some interesting shaped scraps. I might trim off long points or clean up a line, etc. I lay them out in an interesting pattern on a piece of paper. Number the pieces and trace around them. Transfer those numbers to your drawing. Now put an outline around what you've drawn - square, oval, triangle, whatever. Now connect the pieces to each other and the outline. Look at each segment carefully to make sure it is cutable. Make sure you haven't put a straight line right across the design. Now. find scrap that you can use to make all these new pieces. It's my version of a crazy quilt and it can get quite interesting... Okay, you have your assignment.... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 15:54:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:05:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:13:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.101341.0> References: <<1998Oct30.11330.0>> Precedence: bulk > If you were to move to Tulsa you'd be sure to get at least one customer. > Right Suzanne ???? > > Arnold > That's right Arnold! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 16:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:21:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth (Suzanne in Tulsa) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:29:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.102959.0> References: <<199810302107.VAA01692@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I would be more than honored to be your student, Elisabeth! I think (hope) you already know that. I am honored that I am able to communicate with you at all! I have to find a way to get the money for that trip (to Pa)! I wish it was in driving distance. I read your article a while back in common ground. Tried to scare me, didnt you? You mention blood, sweat and tears...no doubt, girlfriend. My hands always have bandages, and I have spent the last 2 days on the verge of tears! I get so excited thinking I am really progressing. Then I just get so frustrated and feeling like I'm not half as good as I would like it to be. One minute I want to show everybody. Then I feel like I would be embarrassed for anyone to see what I have done. I think I havent been getting enough sleep. I am up early with the kids, and up late/early with the glass! About my latest glass purchase, yep, Elisabeth you are right. Experience. s'over. Sure stirred things up on Bungi. Didn't mean to!;o) I have even heard from a lot of lurkers off list! One very close by to me! That was a surprise. I went to the Tulsa Art and Craft show today. It is a juried show, and they limit the number of exhibitors. I might try to get in for next year! I met some very nice glass people. Met some Bungi lurkers from Nebraska! Very nice people. I also met a gal from Arkansas named Anita. She had some beautiful night lights and small lamps, and sg earrings and ornaments. I liked her quite a bit. She had lots of things *I* would go for! (if I had any money!) I only live a few blocks from where the show is. Thought I might go back over there and invite her over for a glass of wine tonight. She is here by herself for the show. I told her about Bungi, and gave her the url for the archives. Talk to you later. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 16:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:23:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass class prices Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199810302322.XAA03732@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk An akward issue..... but agree with you. But - actually... so do I.... The long-term benefits of making folks aware of stained glass would and could only benefit stained glass artists like you and I. One day.... we'll get there Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order > to draw people in. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 16:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass, classes and so on! Yata yata Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199810302322.XAA03741@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I find myself in one of rare "agreements" with Howard..... I am not interested in whether he has arthritis in ONE hip or ALL EIGHT!! All I want to know is if he CAN teach stained glass..... He has a realistic pricing system, he has aims and goals and is very up-front in what he does, is, and teaches. (Suzanne in Tulsa, please compare!!!) He makes no bones about it, his teaching prices are low, because he is up-front enough to say that he hopes to sell materials enough from his retail outlet to make the profit. That's fine, that's fair. (it's the under-hand insinuations of other so called teachers, that galls me) He is fore-sighted enough to take on-board that teaching is not a means to earn Mega-bucks.... it's a long-term idea, long-term investment, long-term planning and an "ideal" to promote stained glass (although the word "ideal" would probably stick in Howard's throat...). The money is not in the teaching itself, it is in the spreading of awareness of stained glass.. Arrogantly as Howard may put it, he nevertheless has his heart about stained glass - in the right place. For that he will be forgiven many sins........ For that his arrogance will often irritate me..... but I do value him and his words often enough. I am often in full flow of telling Howard that a tiny grain of humility might not be ill-placed.... It is never sent..... Howard is to me a typical example for me of someone who calls a spade a shovel....... Irritating enough, one can serve it graciously, or with a trowel... as Howard often does. So ,Hmmmm, OK... well said Howard!... even though my words are reluctant in coming forth. I subsidize my students too financially... quite considerably. Maybe... perhaps... I have become to sort of Anglisized about it all... it mustn't be too brash, too "thrown-in-the-face"... ...Sort of more low-key...subdued, forebearing and philantrophical in the good old British tradition..... I think that I might need to take some lessons from Howard in how to put the financial aspects into words........ But then | wouldn't dream to compete with him in lamp-making...... That Howard also cares very much for his students... I am also very much aware... though he would probably hate to admit it.... really.... :-? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > My views............... > I teach classes (not lately though due to SEVERE arthritis in ALL BOTH > HIPS)...........I sell supplies both direct to the customer and an > occasional drop ship from a "net" order. > > I teach an 8 week BEGINNER class on LAMPS (no suncatchers, geegaws or > doodads). > Tuition is $40.00 for 8, 3 hour sessions (yes, Martha it is REALLY $1.666666 > per hour). In my un-limited greed, I ask for a minimum of 8 persons. The > supplies I am able to sell does help to make it worth while. After a bit > most students have all the equipment I FEEL is necessary to work effectively > and the only future sales are for expendables. I take a VERY dim view of > being chiseled for a few cents by using the "pseudo wholesalers" and do not > go all out to assist, set up, explain, and or facilitate warranty work on > items NOT purchased from me. I loan out grinders, let my students try out > stuff and explain the Morton Jig system. I will take back UNCUT sheets > purchased from me. I do not buy/re-sell used equipment. > > To my students, my expertise is given freely and in most cases class time is > not an issue. I do maintain some protectiveness of my shop and it is NOT > open for "visiting" unless I specifically invite someone or they are BUYING > supplies for a shade. > > I BUY either in person or via truck shipping (adds about $1.00 per square > foot) most of my sheet glass. General pricing of glass is based on handmade > and Spectrum. Spectrum starts about $6.50 sq./ft and goes to $10.00 for rid > pink. Handmaids start about $14.00 to $20 or so for gold pink ripples. I do > ONLY sq./ft pricing and always round DOWN the sq./ft to even sizes and > usually take OFF the odd cents on the billing. > > I cut the stuff to sizes needed for a lamp and will NOT snick off an end to > satisfy someone. My panel lamps are designed (by me) to cut cleanly (without > waste) out of 24x24 sheets. The Tiffany type shades all are cut from full > sheets of Yogo, Bullseye, or Uro. I keep accurate records of glass usage > and will set aside (for months) extra glass for projects my students who are > working on should they need a bit more. I have very little cathedrals and > transparent glass. > > I will rent and or sell Odyssey forms, help will all aspects of patterns, as > well as suggestions on how to "improve" some areas of the instructions. I > have a set of "my" way for most of the Odyssey and some of the Worden forms. > I used to post them all to the newsgroup, but decided after a lot of > "counter instructions" from persons who have YET to make a shade, to stop > defending and explaining my methods ( an ego problem, perhaps). > > I am toying with the idea of offering an "internet" glass on lampmaking, > but as earlier stated, I do NEED some compensation for the time. > INTERESTED???????e-mail me privately. > > I do make everyone HAPPY, some by entering, others by leaving.......and with > that leave, > > enjoy, H > > > > > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 16:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:27:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: To UK Bunginians......Elisabeth USA 1999 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199810302322.XAA03744@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk USA Bunginians please press DELETE N O W ....... Whosshhh Gone!!! Dear UK People, I am not quite sure how clear I have made it that I am just not going "for myself". I wouldn't, I couldn't , I haven't, I am not. I would very much like to bring something of European and British stained glass ideas over to USA. For that I will need a little bit of feed-back from YOU. Whenever we pick up a book about stained glass here, it's invariably written and produced in USA, Canada or Australia. There are a few exceptions. These exceptions are the ones I want. Like, for instance, Patrick Reyntiens wonderful teaching book and manual and one or two others, ..... like the wonderful photography and photographs of Coventry, Liverpool, York, Canterbury, St.Albans and many other places.. I will need your help in trying to get together deals to present in USA, not to sell, but to give as gifts. Patrick Reyntiens book - for instance - to have with me 1- 15 copies. WONDERFUL!!!! Anything and everything from Over Here to show and demonstrate to people in USA that stained Glass is not a US preserve. Would you please help me to look out for, watch out for UK and European stained glass publications, help me to inquire about special bulk discounts, help me to gather slides and photographs of UK stained glass that I can present, help me with an input of the trials and tibulations (and against-all-odds-excitement) of working with stained glass in UK that I can take with me to USA. I would like to meet each and every one of you between now and next August. I stated as one of my wishes approx. 3 years ago when I joined Bungi, was to bring Europe and US stained glass closer together. That is still my aim. I will now depend on you not to let me down. I may have my own "vision" of stained glass. That does not render me blind and deaf to what goes on around me. But what I take with me to US must be born out of UK and Europe. I very much hope that between now and then, you will help me to realize hopes and plans to meet up with every single one of you - camera at the ready.... - Initially, however, give me feed-back on YOUR favourite UK or European stained glass source/inspiration/book/experience.... Help me also to source discount UK / European stained glass books (i.e. NOT published by / in USA).........taking on board that ALL of them will be gifts from us to them.... ....more to follow..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire , UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 16:59:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:42:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Band-aids Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:50:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.105059.0> References: <<1998Oct31.105223.0>> Precedence: bulk You crack me up Vic. Maybe you should publish a stained glass humor book! I myself delight in having the most colorful/decorated band- aides on my fingers than any other grown woman I have ever seen! Suzanne daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: > > Fortunately my blood was replaced by Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey during > my college years. What drips on my glass is closer to bourbon that > blood. The good part is this makes the cut self disinfecting and the > alcohol is great for cleaning off the marker lines on the glass. > > I have also been told that blood is good for irridized glass. That is > why they manufacture it so you get cut no mater how hard you try not to. > A former "student" of mine would bleed as soon as she saw it. Her blood > gave the glass a special look. > > Vic the B+ (for bourbon positive) Vampire > > -----Original Message----- > From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca > [mailto:tuka@bc.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 6:29 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: RE: Band-aids > > > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you > begin not to notice > > them. > > Vic > > You're right, you don't notice them till you start > dripping blood on > your glass. THAT'S why I use bandaids, to keep my glass > unbloodied. > > Shiela > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 17:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:53:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying glass Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:53:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct30.23537.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/30/98 6:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, esavad@home.net writes: > Subj: Re: Buying glass > Date: 10/30/98 6:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: esavad@home.net (M. Savad) > To: glass@bungi.com > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > > the store i used to go to (but he moved away with out telling anyone), > > > his prices were really good. though the selection was low... he was able > > > to get my equipment at a good price (he would by 3 then send the other 2 > > > back). > > > > Oy! I can see why he moved away without telling anyone ... and why > > his suppliers might have taken exception to buying 3 and sending two > > back, if he meant to get the "3-price" and keep his costs down. Just > > a wee tad dishonest to my way of thinking. > > > > Albert > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > maybe, but his supplier allowed it. his prices were still the cheapest. > he mainly moved becaused they hiked up the rent too much. > > oh well... > > ---Mike Savad Wow what a great idea! Think I'll order 2 windows from you Mike, to get a better price, and then make you take one back. Sound fair? LOL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 17:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:18:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: M Savad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.14814.0> References: <<1998Oct30.122842.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Nice reply Mike. FYI, everyone buys thar own tuols thar, so if they brake, they can become lawn ornaments. Carol T M Savad wrote: > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > > I live in an out of the way part of the world and consider myself lucky > > > to have a stained glass studio/supplier in this area. Her classes are > > > $8 for a 2 hour class, but the classes usually go on for however long, > > > usually 3 hours with no extra charge. > > > > I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order > > to draw people in. If class size were limited, that would make them > > all the more desireable to those who didn't get in. (The "Studio 54" > > approach.) Since they would have to buy their supplies and tools, > > that'd be the profit center. At $4/hour, as you say, Carol, your > > retailer's not only smart, but loves glass as much as you do. You're > > lucky to have such a sensible, sharing supplier close at hand. > > > > Albert > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > the only problem i see with that logic is, that you'll get all kinds of > weirdos who've always wanted to do stained glass. the type of people who > may wind up breaking your tools, because they really don't care. or just > getting them thar people who want to know how to do that stainglass > thang. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > of the Brilliance Award. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 17:20:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:27:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "ctombro@infoave.net"@InfoAve.Net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.142416.0> References: <<363A54EE.98967D15@infoave.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > > Nice reply Mike. FYI, everyone buys thar own tuols thar, so if they brake, > they can become lawn ornaments. > > Carol T > > M Savad wrote: > > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > > > > I live in an out of the way part of the world and consider myself lucky > > > > to have a stained glass studio/supplier in this area. Her classes are > > > > $8 for a 2 hour class, but the classes usually go on for however long, > > > > usually 3 hours with no extra charge. > > > > > > I've always wondered why retailers don't offer *free classes in order > > > to draw people in. If class size were limited, that would make them > > > all the more desireable to those who didn't get in. (The "Studio 54" > > > approach.) Since they would have to buy their supplies and tools, > > > that'd be the profit center. At $4/hour, as you say, Carol, your > > > retailer's not only smart, but loves glass as much as you do. You're > > > lucky to have such a sensible, sharing supplier close at hand. > > > > > > Albert > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > the only problem i see with that logic is, that you'll get all kinds of > > weirdos who've always wanted to do stained glass. the type of people who > > may wind up breaking your tools, because they really don't care. or just > > getting them thar people who want to know how to do that stainglass > > thang. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview > > of the Brilliance Award. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's mainly for those people who wander off and start "playing" with things that don't belong to them. like a kid wandering around a crystal shop. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 17:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying glass (Suzanne in Tulsa) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:45:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.144537.0> References: <<199810302107.VAA01692@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > le interest. The inputs > have come from a surprising number of people (even Dani got out of > her lurk-mode!) > I myself thought that the prices for Spectrum glass was way over the > top - even compared to UK prices. The input from Elizabeth in > Bournmouth (UK) was therefore very valueable, since she is a retailer > (as well) in UK, - which I am not. My watchful eye over my own > students' pockets/budgets is well documented....;-> > In the end, I think , Suzanne may well just have to put it down to > experience...... > > Personally I have been delighted at Suzanne's progress and courage; > we are frequently in touch off-group. She is now wanting to venture > into leading techniques . I had a look at the site she gave us for > her nearest source of classes: http://www.bohminc.com/ > These were my first gut-reactions (subject to persuasion - as > always!!!); > > I hated the split screen, the top half of which I couldn't do > anything about, the bottom bit I could only see/read about 3-4 lines > at a time. > The text was badly planned, so that one paragraph floated into > another of different content. > Contents??? A bit of hot air and fancy language and not much > substance.... > I myself contributed an article to Common Ground last spring about > "Why Attend Classes" (and you can read it on the IGGA web-site under > Common Ground). > The Tulsa site lists under Benefits of Attending Classes, amongst 1-2 > others as > - Knowledge of s.g. will add a unique facet to your personality; > - ...... a (+ superlative) source of stress management > - ...win greater respect with your new hobby > > Maybe it's just a case of over-sensitive European intestines that > goes "cringe"... but I DID cringe..... > You know guys! I is doin' stained glass so that yer' ALL will respect > me more......! Gee whizz! > Another "European Cringe" resulted when they showed an > example of their own work, which they then proceeded to call > "stunning" (talk about blowing your own horn....). > > The historical notes are a bit haphazard and lead gets a fleeting > look-in. > I did also note the not so subtle comment about their retail shop > being in the next room for all students to purchase all the gear (... > yep... seen this, been there, done it, but refused the FREE > T-shirt!!!) > The emphasis is on FUN, KUDOS, STRESS-MANAGEMENT and STATUS. > In that spirit, this may be a very wonderful course to attend (and > please note that I have said this!!). > > If you are - in any case - already hooked, already love stained > glass, don't need status, don't need kudos, but really want to learn > about the "nuts & bolts".... I would take a deep breath here and look > for alternatives. > Prices: I found the prices difficult to fathom. > A one-off 7.30 - 9 pm drawing class costs USD65 (it stated > materials provided...? A3 paper, pencils, rubbers, Sharpies, 'n a > ruler....?) > Yet another 2-session class was USD175 plus USD 65 for > materials. The course descriptions are couched in fancy language, but > I was unable to see any structure, substance, aims or goals in the > write-up. Somewhere in the "blurb" was even a mention of a written > Certificate. > Wow!! Proving what? That you have spent USD 175.... or > whatever...? > > I have never once given a "Certificate" to any of my students (I have > been "dished out" many myself, that are piled up in some forgotten > drawer somewhere....). Some of my students have gone on to study > stained glass seriously at proper Universities here in UK. The > University Authorities have approached me on a number of occasions > for written references and evaluations. I myself am now going to > school to get nationally recognized qualifications as a teacher. > Only THEN can I honestly say that a written Certificate that I sign > is worth slightly more than the value of the paper and the > printer-ink..... > But perhaps I am punitive..... > > I base my comments on the rather nepharious claims of one particular > - yet similar - retailer/supplier not a million miles away from > myself, that claim that they are the "only qualified people" to teach > stained glass in UK (not a single person in that establishment has a > single even-half- recognized qualification whatsoever) , that their > retail facility is the ONLY one in UK (to which about 5 or 6 of us in > UK really hauled them over the coals about.... so they changed their > arrogant Home Page claim to read "The Only One of Any Note".... i.e. > just as arrogant...). I have a 6-year battle to take them down a peg > or two..... am almost winning.... (at least they have dropped the > price of their bog-standard 75W soldering irons from UKSterling 56 to > about 30.... which is at least something.... A UK produced 100-watt > soldering iron costs UK Sterling 12.... in comparison... > For UK People: Draper.... though I am slightly concerned about the > heat build-up in the handle.). > > Your retailer in Tulsa sounds very much in a similar mold...... > (This big-mouthed retailer in UK got off the ground , close to an > American Air-Force base in UK, to provide a pass-time for bored > American Air-Force officers' housewives in the 70's, with much > bloated household budgets to spend on expensive little frivolities in > England. The American Air-Force has now long since departed back to > USA, but this stained glass retailer has not yet seen fit to > re-adjust to Real Life...). > > However, Arnold makes a very valid and true > plea for the sincere genuine supplier and "facilitator". These are > the type of s.g. suppliers that really will endure. They will have > tough times too........ But as we have so often said on Bungi, > loyalty is a 2-way traffic. Hopefully, I will get to meet Arnold too > when I get across to USA. > > As regards UK, genuine suppliers/retailers are far > and few between; Hetleys in London is by far the oldest, > authoritative, "real" and most prestigeous; Goddards and Gibbs ( a > real old UK stained glass studio) used to run a retail arm, years > ago; Elizabeth Law in Bournemouth (a long way from here) is an > agent/representative of Hetleys and I am still working on getting > down to the UK South Coast to visit her and Sam. I am not myself a > retailer, I eat through what I create (or teach), - and I very much > depend on honesty, sincerity and commitment by retailers that also > buy in for the hobbyists.... and gives me an odd corner, the odd > deal. "Professional commercial status deals" such as you have them in > USA just do not exist over here in England.... Luckily for me, my old > contacts with Goddards & Gibbs (having bullied them to teach me) > gives me a few "breaks" and a few insights, and now and then to a > cheap deal.... Hetleys are very difficult to "draw out" into modern > 21st century world of web-site, e-mail communication and - let's drop > the British stiff-upper-lip-attitude".. I get the feel that Hetleys > have created a web-site more as a "sop" to what is actually happening > in today's world than a wish to really be THERE. A great pity, > because they really are a considerable authority, with serious > knowledge and feel of history, know-how, a great source of supplies > and wish to help the individual artist in UK. Which is why I put > great store by what EliZabeth Law has to say, what she and Sam do in > Bournemouth and THEIR contribution - not only on Bungi - but also > here in UK. We need more people like them "Over Here". > > I have already said to Suzanne off-group that I would very much hope > to see her next year, either in Allentown and/or wherever else I > manage to get to during my visit. Maybe I can take this even a step > further to say, Suzanne, if you can get there ("whereever"), I'll be > happy to take you through good, basic, sound leading techniques > without "frills". What will happen over and above my visit to Charles > Warner in Allentown is still totally and completely in the melting > pot. Luckily there are many months ahead to plan. > To me, someone like Suzanne would be a total delight for me to try > and share what I know about working with lead. > > So, if she can get "there".... I am sure that postings earlier on > this autumn from people offering camp-beds to "financially > challenged", long-distance travellers in USA would embrace Suzanne > in Tulsa as well.... > What I have enjoyed so much is, that everyone appears to have rallied > round to help Suzanne. It beams right "Across the Pond"..... > > Oh Dear!!! I've got on my old soap-box again...... I'm too tired to > duck! > > No WAY Patrick!!!! I am certainly NOT passionate!!! > Just get on with your fitting appointments for your tu-tu!! > Time is a-passing..... > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 17:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:15:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:13:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199810310113.RAA08122@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Wow! Gets a *plus* from me...neat idea Dorothy. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 18:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Band-aids Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:45:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199810310052.AAA04779@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Good on you!!! - ... hicc.-- You would feel right at home in my little Hertfordshire cottage in li'lle 'ole England..... - hicc - Gallons and gallons of good ole' home-brew bubbling away in every corner of my dining room. -hicc- 4 gallons of apple wine, - burp - -4 gallons of blackberry-wine, - ghhhrghhhruphhh- 2 gallons of elderberry wine, - hicc - Another 2 gallons of "miscellanous" wild-fruit wine "hicc" I doschn't give a shzzzhiht aboooot - hicc- sscczzhhwinter- hicc - hghhhfhicc! Elisschzzabethschh - hicc- 'n schhhToby in schUk -HICC!!!!- wadd did you schhhhay?-- .. HICC_...?> Fortunately my blood was replaced by Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey during > my college years. What drips on my glass is closer to bourbon that > blood. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 18:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new grinder Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:59:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.05953.0> Precedence: bulk I have a small cat litter pan (bought new for the purpose, not used!) that I use to soak my pieces in until I have enough to stop and dry them off. I grind in numerical order and lay them out in the water that way so I can easily put the numbers back on after they float away. Brenda In a message dated 10/30/98 8:55:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 10/29/98 11:41:04 PM, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: >One overlooked safety point is to be sure and rinse all pieces off after >they are ground. [...] This may sound trivial, but it's true. The easy way to do that is to have an inch or so of water in the sink (or a dishpan if, like me, you don't have running water in your work area) and just put your pieces in the water immediately after grinding. Once you've got a small pile of pieces in the water, you can give your grinder a break while you dry off the pieces and lay them out. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 18:32:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 20:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199810310124.UAA26829@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >This is for those of you who say you can't draw and can't design....and >who feel less than, well, a genius after viewing those latest sites Mike >found... here's a way I use up my scraps and get some interesting >pieces. I tend to do this with clears, but you could try blues and >whites, for example. I find some interesting shaped scraps. I might >trim off long points or clean up a line, etc. I lay them out in an >interesting pattern on a piece of paper. Number the pieces and trace >around them. Transfer those numbers to your drawing. Now put an >outline around what you've drawn - square, oval, triangle, whatever. >Now connect the pieces to each other and the outline. Look at each >segment carefully to make sure it is cutable. Make sure you haven't put >a straight line right across the design. Now. find scrap that you can >use to make all these new pieces. >It's my version of a crazy quilt and it can get quite interesting... > >Okay, you have your assignment.... Assignment noted and filed for future use. Thank you, Dorothy, for the interesting project idea. Tell me, did Emeraldine do this one? :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 19:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:52:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: ctombro@InfoAve.Net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:48:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.164819.0> References: <<1998Oct30.122842.0@[207.126.97.2]>>> Precedence: bulk Wow. I thought only we southerners did that! The old rusted glass tools fit very nicely under the 4 or 5 nonrunning cars in the front yard. ;) Jerri On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:08:14 -0500 Carol Tombro writes: >Nice reply Mike. FYI, everyone buys thar own tuols thar, so if they >brake, >they can become lawn ornaments. > >Carol T > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 30 20:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:11:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:19:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.141932.0> References: <<199810310124.UAA26829@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Sounds like that could keep me busy with my scrap box until I can afford to buy more glass. ;o) Sounds like a good *welcome back to soldering* project as well. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 00:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:21:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KurtHenny From: KurtHenny@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: help Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:20:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.7208.0> Precedence: bulk Hi I am a new stained glass enthusiast and would like some help with a project. I am planning to make a hanging lamp for my daughter for Christmas and am making my owm pattern. I have bought glass and am ready to go. What is the usual opening for the top, do I have to use a coverplate or a spider or both. I want to make sure it is strong enough. Thanks a lot for answering. KurtHenny@aol.com Henny Spreitzer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 00:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:32:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Band-aids Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:40:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.18405.0> References: <<199810301640.LAA06340@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > My band-aids are on a shelf above my workbench collecting dust. > > After a while the number of cuts slow down and you begin not to notice > > them. > > Reminds me of being a boy and helping my dad with the bees. He had 70 > hives. After a while, you wouldn't notice the stings, in fact if a > bee got under your clothing, you'd press your hand to it to make it > sting you, because the suspense was worse than the sting itself. > > > Albert I cannot imagine that Albert! I got stung 4 times this summer on my head and neck by some mean old red paper wasps...It was like getting hit with a ball peen(sp?) hammer. I was in tears before I got myself in the house. Must have been a total spectacle, waving my hands all around my head trying to swat them, and running blindly. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 00:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:36:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jill Medlyn" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass classes Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:33:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct30.213346.0> Precedence: bulk The Glass Classes has definitely push my button...so here is my tale Ripoff Glass Advisor(?) Ever! This particular "teacher" charges $460.00 for a 8 week class for the foil method of Stained Glass. This "teacher" does not pay any fee for the use of the classroom. He, also, charges 40.00 for materials and tools used (glass,too), that have partially financed by a corporation and a union. The reason why...he can charge so much is because his classes are part of a tuition assistance with a corporation. He was my first stained glass advisor....not teacher,or instructor,...just Advisor. Fortunately at the time, my classes cost me 40.00 for materials. Guess I found a deal (?) I found my teachers right here at Bungi! Thanks to Glenna,Dave,Kelsea,Keela jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 05:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 04:37:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass classes Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:36:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.123627.0> Precedence: bulk The more I read the more I realized how lucky I am. The school that I teach at (BOCES) has adult education classes at night, they have quite a variet y of courses offered from auto body, computers, cake decorating and even stained glass. An 8 week course, 3 hours each cost $65, plus a $25 fee to the instructor to cover materials. However as an employee I get to take all courses tuition free! $25 initial investment and I'm hooked (obviously or I wouldn't be here). The idea of tuition free courses is a great idea. For all you teachers out there here's a suggestion.....charge a fee of course but then give them discounts on materials up to or equal to what they paid. It could benefit you big time in the long run, they could become loyal customers to you rather than the glass supplier in the next time over. And I know from experience I've spent the the equivalent of many mortgage payments at my teachers store! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 06:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 05:22:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:22:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.13226.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/30/98 9:33:34 PM, suzy@ComCAT.COM wrote: >Assignment noted and filed for future use. >Thank you, Dorothy, for the interesting project idea. > >Tell me, did Emeraldine do this one? :) Naw, she made googoo eyes at Pierre and sweet-talked him into "helping her with her homework," and he ended up doing most of it, and she swooned into his mighty arms........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 06:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 05:24:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Band-aids - and bee stings Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:22:05 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.13225.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/30/98 1:09:35 PM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net wrote: >Reminds me of being a boy and helping my dad with the bees. He had 70 >hives. After a while, you wouldn't notice the stings, in fact if a >bee got under your clothing, you'd press your hand to it to make it >sting you, because the suspense was worse than the sting itself. > > >Albert Sounds just a bit *too* kinky for my taste - to say nothing of having recently had a scare with a friend who's highly allergic to the things. I'm not sure "making them sting you" is such a good idea, since that "one sting too many" can be the one that triggers the allergic reaction (even after years of having no problem with them). Shame on you, Albert - just hope Monona doesn't hear about this, or she'll fry you! Getting back to the subject of band-aids (by a somewhat roundabout route), I gotta tell on myself here. I'm sure most everyone here knows the expression "falling-down gorgeous"? Well, yesterday morning Christie and I finished framing a pair of panels to be installed on either side of a through-the-wall fireplace in a new house. We'd set them up in the front window and photographed them,then she sent me out to open up the back of her van and move some stuff around so we could load them up to be installed. On the way out the door I turned around to admire the finished product but forgot to stop walking in the process - then turned back around, tripped and fell flat on my face in the "stockade" - a round flower bed about 6 feet wide, surrounded by upright landscaping timbers about a foot high... (fortunately I managed not to fall on the birdbath in the middle of the thing). Took a big divot out of my right hand. Thank goodness it happened first thing in the morning when there were no shoppers around! Between the extra-large "3M Active Strip" flexible foam bandage (the only kind I've found that actually sticks when it gets wet - don't waste your money on the new "waterproof" Band-Aid brand ones, I tried them yesterday and they came right off) and the bandaged "pointer finger" on the same hand (cut myself on a sharp edge while grinding), I look like a disaster area! Luckily it's long- pants weather - I have at least 8 or 9 scrapes on my legs from my pratfall! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 06:35:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 05:23:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:22:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.13228.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/30/98 10:47:07 PM, jroey@juno.com wrote: >Wow. I thought only we southerners did that! The old rusted glass tools >fit very nicely under the 4 or 5 nonrunning cars in the front yard. ;) > >Jerri Actually, that's how you *grow* cars and washing machines in your front yard - you set those broken tools in an old Mason jar (preferably not the same one you drink your moonshine out of) with a mix of used motor oil and Stern's Miracle-Gro plant food, and when they begin to take root you transplant them to your garden........... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 06:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:09:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Crazy Quilt - assignment Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.4441.0> References: <<199810310124.UAA26829@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > Assignment noted and filed for future use. > Thank you, Dorothy, for the interesting project idea. > > Tell me, did Emeraldine do this one? :) > Something like this is at the center (if you can talk about the center of her 4-dimensional project. She says the bass notes will come from it.) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 07:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:33:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Band-aids - and bee stings Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:38:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199810311429.JAA11959@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Sounds just a bit *too* kinky for my taste - to say nothing of having recently > had a scare with a friend who's highly allergic to the things. I'm not sure > "making them sting you" is such a good idea, since that "one sting too many" > can be the one that triggers the allergic reaction (even after years of having > no problem with them). Shame on you, Albert - just hope Monona doesn't hear > about this, or she'll fry you! I don't think so, although certainly if one's allergic to bee venom, one wouldn't be a beekeeper. Actually, a friend of my dad's who had a bad case of arthritis worked with us one year because the bee venom had a good effect on his problem. At the end of the year, the arthritis was all cleared up. A little known but real help. Anyway, as I understand it, if you're allergic, even *one sting sets off the reaction. Obviously, neither my dad or I was allergic; neither was the friend. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 07:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: help Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.5250.0> Precedence: bulk You can use either. Just be sure that it is well constructed. Using both is like wearing a belt and suspenders at the same time. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: KurtHenny@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 1998 3:33 AM Subject: help >Hi > >I am a new stained glass enthusiast and would like some help with a project. I >am planning to make a hanging lamp for my daughter for Christmas and am >making my owm pattern. I have bought glass and am ready to go. What is the >usual opening for the top, do I have to use a coverplate or a spider or both. >I want to make sure it is strong enough. Thanks a lot for answering. > >KurtHenny@aol.com > > >Henny Spreitzer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 09:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:15:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.7433.0> References: <<1998Oct31.13228.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Thanks Sparks, Now our secret to southern front yard gardening is out to the general public. Our lawn ornaments will never be the same; now that everyone knows our secrets to landscaping your front yard. I'm glad my mother in NJ isn't online to see this or she might try to copy it. btw, did you know lantana grows very nicely in nonrunning trucks? It grows so fast, you wouldn't even know there was a truck there, which does take away some of the beauty, but it can be trimmed back every so often. Carol T Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/30/98 10:47:07 PM, jroey@juno.com wrote: > > >Wow. I thought only we southerners did that! The old rusted glass tools > >fit very nicely under the 4 or 5 nonrunning cars in the front yard. ;) > > > >Jerri > > Actually, that's how you *grow* cars and washing machines in your front yard - > you set those broken tools in an old Mason jar (preferably not the same one > you drink your moonshine out of) with a mix of used motor oil and Stern's > Miracle-Gro plant food, and when they begin to take root you transplant them > to your garden........... > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:48:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Jill Medlyn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass classes Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:57:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.3573.0> References: <<1998Oct30.213346.0>> Precedence: bulk > This particular "teacher" charges $460.00 for a 8 week class for the foil > method of Stained Glass. This "teacher" does not pay any fee for the use of > the classroom. He, also, charges 40.00 for materials and tools used > (glass,too), that have partially financed by a corporation and a union. WOW -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:12:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:55:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Band-aids - and bee stings Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:04:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.4427.0> References: <<1998Oct31.13225.0>> Precedence: bulk Ouch, Sparks! Sorry to hear it. Cant help but tell you I was disapointed, I was anxiously waiting to hear how you fell into the strong arms of some gorgeous man! The stuff dreams are made of! lol...hopelessy romantic, still thinks like a 16 yr old. Suzanne > I'm sure most everyone here knows the expression "falling-down gorgeous"? > > Well, yesterday morning Christie and I finished framing a pair of panels to be > installed on either side of a through-the-wall fireplace in a new house. We'd > set them up in the front window and photographed them,then she sent me out to > open up the back of her van and move some stuff around so we could load them > up to be installed. On the way out the door I turned around to admire the > finished product but forgot to stop walking in the process - then turned back > around, tripped and fell flat on my face in the "stockade" - a round flower > bed about 6 feet wide, surrounded by upright landscaping timbers about a foot > high... (fortunately I managed not to fall on the birdbath in the middle of > the thing). Took a big divot out of my right hand. Thank goodness it happened > first thing in the morning when there were no shoppers around! > > Between the extra-large "3M Active Strip" flexible foam bandage (the only kind > I've found that actually sticks when it gets wet - don't waste your money on > the new "waterproof" Band-Aid brand ones, I tried them yesterday and they came > right off) and the bandaged "pointer finger" on the same hand (cut myself on a > sharp edge while grinding), I look like a disaster area! Luckily it's long- > pants weather - I have at least 8 or 9 scrapes on my legs from my pratfall! > -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mustang.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: Bungi , Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Searching for Glass Retailers Date: Sat, 31 Oct 98 11:26:15 PST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.192615.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne, This is Dawn, and I have been quiet on Bungi for the last year of so only= because I am so EXTREMELY busy. I try to catch up on messages during = lunch breaks, etc, but just haven't had much of an opportunity to contrib= ute lately. Are you aware of GTE's Superpages (http://sp.superpages.com/) that allow = you to search yellow page listings by distance? It shows the following = 17 listings under "Glass-Stained & Leaded" that are within a 100 mile rad= ius from the shop you mentioned. Chances are at least some of these are = retail shops, and 6 of them are within 15 miles of the other shop. At = the prices you were being charged, I would say you could still drive a = couple of hours if you had to & would still come out ahead! MILES 0.0 Tulsa Stained Glass Company 7976 East 41st Street, Tulsa, OK 74145 (918) 664-8604 1.0 Loman's 9133 East 46th Street, Tulsa, OK 74145 (918) 627-6973 fax: (918) 627-7274 4.4 Stained Glasmaster-Dewitt 7717 South Yale Avenue, Tulsa, OK 74136 (918) 496-8505 4.5 Don Tracy Glass Company 1347 South Harvard Avenue, Tulsa, OK 74112 (918) 744-1815 5.5 Homestead Stained Glass 20 North College Avenue, Tulsa, OK 74110 (918) 834-1397 6.1 Blackwell's Stained Glass 309 North Aspen Avenue, Broken Arrow, OK 74012 (918) 258-1573 fax: (918) 258-1573 14.2 Carrie's Heirlooms 10220 North 124th East Avenue, Owasso, OK 74055 (918) 272-9258 45.6 Rogers Stain Glass Wood 830 1/2 South York Street, Muskogee, OK 74403 (918) 686-9663 80.8 Chuck's Paint & Paper 723 North Main Street, Stillwater, OK 74075 (405) 372-2644 82.1 Classical Glass 923 South Pine Street, Stillwater, OK 74074 (405) 624-9234 87.2 Monark Cabinet Company 2108 Industrial 8 Road, Grove, OK 74344 (918) 786-4080 87.3 Immanuel Studios 6304 West Coventry Drive, Stillwater, OK 74074 (405) 372-1107 88.2 A Touch of Glass Keota, OK 74941 (918) 966-3771 88.7 Memories N Glass Studio 311 East Main Street, Shawnee, OK 74801 (405) 878-9688 89.2 Suncatcher Stained Glass 113 North Bell Street, Shawnee, OK 74801 (405) 275-4051 92.4 Glass House 429 South Pine Street, Ponca City, OK 74601 (580) 765-1361 93.9 C J Schafers Limited 2222 West Grand Avenue, Ponca City, OK 74601 (580) 762-2959 Good luck with your search! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:31:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:03:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:05:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.4558.0> References: <<1998Oct31.13228.0>> Precedence: bulk > >Wow. I thought only we southerners did that! The old rusted glass tools > >fit very nicely under the 4 or 5 nonrunning cars in the front yard. ;) > > > >Jerri > > Actually, that's how you *grow* cars and washing machines in your front yard - > you set those broken tools in an old Mason jar (preferably not the same one > you drink your moonshine out of) with a mix of used motor oil and Stern's > Miracle-Gro plant food, and when they begin to take root you transplant them > to your garden........... > > > Sparks > ---- Or, how your food is growing out of the garden in the backseat of the beat up old car, and the washing machine out there. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:46:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:34:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Classes & Prices Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:26:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.172643.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- Had occasion to go to the local store that I never shop in because of high prices. I needed to get some zinc to frame a panel, which I have never done before. It seems their prices have come down a bit even for classes. The beginner class is now $55 for six classes and they have a rack of sale glass for $3.95 to $5.95 (of course it's mostly the stuff Suzanne talked about not wanting to touch, but there was a bit of turquoise and green Spectrum that I liked). The nice stuff is still $9.95 a pound and up, but I think I may have a local source finally! Anyway, since I don't have a came bender and don't really want to buy one right now, they offered to frame the panel (it's a round top 30 inches at the bottom and 14 inches at the top of the round part) for $25 plus the materials ($6). Does that seem like a fair price? I already left the panel and said go ahead because this thing has been sitting around for three months already while I debate on what to do with it. But I'd still like to know what you all think of the price. I know I could buy a came bender for about $90 but I don't know how often I would use it - this is the first time I've need to frame in zinc in about 15 panels, and only because it's round and I couldn't get a frame for it. Whatta ya think? Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:54:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Happy Halloween Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:06:16 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hope everyone has a safe and fun halloween. You can see me last year dressed as Vampira on my webpage http://www.bungi.com/ourpics/vamp2.jpg Enjoy! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 10:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:11:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Pattern Request Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:06:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.17641.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a pattern for a Sun Conure..........this is a small parrot..green and blue wings feathers and a bright yellow body? My Mother's concure "Gracie" died last night. She was like a member of our family. I would like to do a special panel for my Mother in memory of Gracie. I just need to pattern as a reference for my design. Thanks for any help you can offer. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 11:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:50:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: hanging lamp Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:50:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.15038.0> Precedence: bulk Spiders for a hanging shade are probably not as strong as a vase cap as they attach to only 3 or 4 panels and are difficult to get level.. How many panels will also dictate the use of a spider. Spiders are either 3 or 4 legged. Vase caps come in sizes from (my stock) from 1.5" to over 6" in 1/8" diameter increments. YES, to those who will not agree, I have them in my shop! (perhaps not the full range, but a lot of sizes). You must also take care to level the shade and then level the cap prior to soldering, although if the bottom of the shade is irregular, leveling is not as critical. A method (I do not like it) is to use 2 caps, one inside the shade and another out side on the top of the shade making a sandwich of caps. If done RIGHT (soldered and re-inforced with wire if needed) the cap will not sag or pull away. Hot iron, well melted solder, clean foil, good flow onto the joints of the panels, all will last with out gravity causing a problem. Pasty joints and poor soldering will eventually come apart. I used to get a lot of hanging lamps (usually imported) to be repaired due to poor soldering and glass not being ground and the foil not adhering. General approach was... take it BACK to where you bought it! Price is not the ONLY concern. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 11:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:21:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass class prices Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:29:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.52941.0> References: <<1998Oct31.7433.0>> Precedence: bulk When I moved to Seattle from California, in my '65 VW bus, The bus was not exactly air tight ;o), It was very damp in Seattle at the time, and I found all kinds of things growing up out of the carpet! I could have been arrested! :-x Did I say that? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 11:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:03:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #65 Kris Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:58:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.55819.0> Precedence: bulk I can procrastinate and make up excuses only so long. When the owner of the four legged mop is supporting this project even when the mop is within sniffing distance of poor Pat, I just had to do something! My name is Kris and I'm a glassaholic.... I was born in New York, destined to become a classical musician (according to my mother) As soon as I got away from home I changed my destiny to become a nurse. I got married, moved to Arkansas (talk about culture shock!) had a daughter, moved to Kansas, had another daughter, and got stuck in KS forever or so it seemed. I remember going to a hobby shop there many years ago and they had stained glass supplies and I thought that would be the coolest thing to do but at the time we had a tiny place, two kids, no money, I looked at what a hobby like that would cost and knew it wasn't possible then. Some years passed, things got better and I remembered. I went back to that hobby shop but no more glass :( They didn't sell supplies anymore or give classes and no one there could tell me of another place where I could get supplies or instruction. More years passed, the kids grew, the marriage didn't and died, I healed, and I met someone else who is now my husband. His mother lives in FL and he invited me to come along one time when he visited. SHE DID STAINED GLASS! I was in heaven. All she was doing was simple sun catchers but that was enough. She showed me how to cut, grind, foil, solder, all the basics I would need to get started. I got bit by the bug. It gets worse. She knew where to get supplies and she gave me catalogs! I went back to KS, fell for the newcomers special discount or whatever it is, and boxes of glass and supplies came to my door. I made a box. It even looked kind of like a box unless you tried to open it with the hinge I managed to solder together beyond all hope. I made a panel. Hubby still keeps it out because he thinks it's good but I cringe when I look at it now. That did teach me that you don't cut out enough space between pieces for lead when you are working in foil. I made more small things and I got better. I made a bigger panel and it actually turned out good. I got a computer and got too distracted! Last summer I quit nursing for the third and final time and we moved to Florida. I feel like I live in paradise (yes, even after a brush with Georges)! I thought I would have lots of free time now that I'm not working but I find too many things to do especially in this area. I have set up shop in the garage though and I actually do make time here and there to go out there. I stopped buying patterns and though my drawing skills leave a lot to be desired I really enjoy making my own patterns. As always, the first ones aren't something I want to show anyone but each project that I do gets a little better and I learn a little more. The kids thought I should try glass as a profession but I'm not sure about that. I still have a ways to go and tons to learn, and now that my younger daughter is 13 I'm very protective of the time and the few more years we have together. I really enjoy just doing what pleases me and a few projects for special friends and family. Maybe when both the kids are old enough to be out of the house I'll change my mind. Meanwhile I try to make more time, do more projects, and I read posts about fusing and slumping and think of more things I want to learn! A few notes on the family in conclusion - mom-in-law gave up glass in frustration and gave me all her supplies (thanks mom!) In return she has my first lamp attempt in her living room. Joel (hubby) is a realtor. Amy, my 19 yr. old daughter, is working in a nursery in NC and thinking about a career in horticulture. Elizabeth, my 13 yr. old, is one of those brainy kids and a pretty good oboe player. I have three grown and married step kids, and seven step-grandkids, some of whom think it is very amusing to call me grandma. We don't have anyone who could hope to compare with four legged terror from across the pond, only a guinea pig named Romeo. I have made this very long on purpose, thinking that by now the hungry hound has fallen deep asleep in utter boredom! Hey, it could work ;) Hope this keeps you safe for another few days Kris Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 11:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:05:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #66 Candice McCall Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:01:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.6146.0> Precedence: bulk Guess I have lurked long enough and since the bios are getting fewer and fewer, I will succumb and tell you about myself. I was born in Gainesville, Florida and lived in Florida until I was seventeen when I hitchhiked across country to California to be part of the 'scene' there. This was in 1970 and it was safer to hitchhike in those days. Anyways, I got picked up for being underage and put in the juvenile shelter and was determined to not reveal my name but gave in after a week. Wasn't a fun place to be. I was returned to Florida and married within a month because I had shamed my family. Two years later I gave birth to Trinity, my only child. I was divorced in 1973 and remarried to the same guy in 1977. It was a marriage of convenience to try to give our daughter two parents. My husband at that time joined the Navy and we began moving around the country frequently. We lived in Florida, Illinois, Georgia, South Carolina, Colorado, and then to Scotland. Living in Scotland was a magical time for me and a time I will always hold dear. We lived in a tiny village in Dunoon and it was SO nice there. I hated to live but leave we did in 1984 and came back to the States. What culture shock!! My daughter suffered very badly in the school system. She had learned Script writing in Scotland and was ridiculed by teachers and students for not knowing Cursive writing here. But, I digress. We moved back to Florida by way of Minnesota and I have been back here since. I work at the University of Florida as a Systems Programmer - mainframe programming and now learning Foxpro programming on the PC. I really hate the Florida summers. Mainly, because of the sun and humidity. I had yet another cancer cut off my face just last week. I try to hibernate in the summers. It's the start of Fall here now even though we haven't had any cool days yet. Yeah, the end of another summer!! In 1994, I took a beginner class in Stained Glass and was hooked from the beginning. It was the same year that we built a new house and moved. Months after we moved in, we found out that Florida Rock planned to build a cement manufacturing kiln 1 and 1/2 miles from our new house. We have been fighting it ever since. We are hoping that elections and a Clean Air Ordinance that will go to the voters in November will stop it. We really love our house and the gardens that my husband landscaped out back. But, we are prepared to sell and move in the Spring. Sure hope it doesn't come to that. Keep your fingers crossed for us. Back to Stained Glass. I started out making a tulip suncatcher. It still hangs in my bedroom window. More suncatchers followed. Then after 3 months, I signed up for a class to make a nativity scene. It had 13 objects that had from 20 pieces on the smaller ones to 50 on the larger ones. The individual glass components of the nativity scene were from 5 inches tall to 18 inches tall for the backdrop. IT WAS A PROJECT and if I had known how involved it was I might never have attempted it. I did it as an act of love for my new husband (married again since 1990). I am not too terribly religious myself. He is Catholic. You might wonder why I named my daughter Trinity?? I named her after a band back around 1970 called Brian Auger and the Trinity. It meant 3 in 1 to me. My husband, myself and her. Anyways, I digress again. I have made many stained glass pieces and given them away. Lately, I have been doing the stepping stones for our English Country garden out back. Of course, they don't stay with the house if we have to move! ;-) I also have been making butterflies from a book on Florida butterflies. I make the wings curve up like they're in flight. I soldered a nut on the back and attached a threaded rod on them and they sway in the breeze out back in my garden. I have made the Southern Dogface, Red Spotted Purple, Viceroy, and others - all authentic Florida butterflies. They turned out nice. I am sure that stained glass will be in my life forever. I do worry about the chemicals used and the effect on the environment. Also, I have 6 cats, two outdoor and four indoor. The 4 indoor cats cry at the door when I am working in my shop (the spare room where I have my setup). One of them, Ooma, can come in. She knows which chair is hers and she's good and stays out of the way. I open windows and funnel fumes outside with fans. My other cat's names are Opal, Ghillie, Fritz (our one-eyed cat), BooBoo, and Pinky. Boy, have I gotten long-winded. That's why I have resisted sending in a bio til now. It's hard to explain myself in a few words. I REALLY appreciate all the advice and fun-loving bantering that goes on with this mailing list. I would love to get up North someday and tour the glass factories. Thanks to ya'll for being patient. Candice McCall cmccall@dean.med.ufl.edu Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 11:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:07:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:tuka@bc.sympatico.ca" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Band-aids Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.9658.0> Precedence: bulk Shiela- It's good luck to bleed on your glass, didn't you know that? ;-) Best, Dani Greer (who's getting really = sick of scaffolding!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 12:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Kath8284@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Request Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.91344.0> References: <<1998Oct31.17641.0>> Precedence: bulk Kath8284@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know of a pattern for a Sun Conure..........this is a small > parrot..green and blue wings feathers and a bright yellow body? My Mother's > concure "Gracie" died last night. She was like a member of our family. I > would like to do a special panel for my Mother in memory of Gracie. I just > need to pattern as a reference for my design. Thanks for any help you can > offer. > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't think it's a conure, they call it a love bird. but i think it's in the same family. http://www.rrose.com/rcartisans/Pets.htm it's not a pattern, but you can get design ideas from it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-22-98 New Pages Added: 266 New Links in 5 Catagories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 12:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:33:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Kath8284@aol.com Subject: Pattern Request Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:32:29, -0500 Message-ID: <199810311932.OAA15316@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> Does anyone know of a pattern for a Sun Conure..........this is a small parrot..green and blue wings feathers and a bright yellow body? My Mother's concure "Gracie" died last night. She was like a member of our family. I would like to do a special panel for my Mother in memory of Gracie. I just need to pattern as a reference for my design. Thanks for any help you can offer. Kathy<< I can help you but not in the way requested. Surely your mother has a picture of her dear bird in a pose that pleases her. Get it, blow it up and trace over the outline of the parrot. Then trace the lines for the colors. Because parrots are so distinctive they cartoon exceptionally well. With just a bit of effort you will have created a treasure for your mother. You might even get back in her will. Good luck, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 12:44:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Class Fees Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:49:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.94925.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, Suzanne, I would have sent this sooner but our CD ROM died and I have been preoccupied trying to please family by fixing it. Compaq is replacing it under warranty this week. >Beginners Mosaic Stone Class (total of 6 hours) $45 includes pattern, 8" x 8" mold,use of their tools, and concrete. You pay for glass. >Intermediate Stone Class (6 hours) $69 includes 1 Tiffany Garden book, 16" Hex mold, and concrete. You supply tools and glass. >Beginning Stained Glass (10 hours) $45 includes use of their tools, you supply Pattern and glass. >Lead Came Construction (10 hours) $45 all materials are extra, some tools can be rented. This retail store is the biggest in the Grand Rapids MI. area. I used to think they were on the pricey side. The other store I patronize is cheaper on supplies but doesn't offer classes. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 14:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #66 & #65 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:46:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Oct31.21469.0> Precedence: bulk Love your bios, Candice and Kris. Not one, but two, fellow Floridians on bungi. Either one of you on the east coast? We've had beautiful weather this week - upper 70's low 80's during the day and down to 60's at night. A great day for soldering today (all windows/doors open). Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 17:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:21:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: "Michael J. Greer" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Band-aids Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:25:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199811010020.QAA25449@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk No, Dani, I didn't know that. Will let a couple drops fall in future before reaching for the bandaids. Hey, I'll take all the luck I can get. > Shiela- > > It's good luck to bleed on your > glass, didn't you know that? ;-) > > Best, > > Dani Greer (who's getting really = > > sick of scaffolding!) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 18:19:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Poor Dani! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 01:15:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199811010123.BAA27551@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Never mind Dani, only 5 more weeks to hang out on the scaffolding. Fun when the wind reall blows, isn't it.. ;-> Will be thinking of you as I sit here by my cosy log-fire, with a glass of mulled wine, pondering my next drawing.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > It's good luck to bleed on your > glass, didn't you know that? ;-) > > Best, > > Dani Greer (who's getting really = > > sick of scaffolding!) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 18:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:06:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Class Fees Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:04:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Nov1.2442.0> Precedence: bulk When I took my classes at a local art place I paid 'bout that much money for 10 weeks, close to 200 dollars. I had a terrific instructor, but it was close and the hours were right, and the classes ran from 7-1030. Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 31 20:35:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:36:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Class Fees Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:35:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Nov1.33552.0> Precedence: bulk I have been charging $45 for 4, 2 and 1/2 classes for over 10 years. Maybe I should raise my fees?? LOL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 1 00:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Class Fees Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 00:16:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.181643.0> References: <<1998Oct31.94925.0>> Precedence: bulk > >Beginners Mosaic Stone Class (total of 6 hours) $45 includes pattern, 8" > x 8" mold,use of their tools, and concrete. You pay for glass. > >Intermediate Stone Class (6 hours) $69 includes 1 Tiffany Garden book, > 16" Hex mold, and concrete. You supply tools and glass. I feel pretty smart now, as I taught myself the above, (with a bit of advice) finding the right people to ask questions (my concrete guy). Looking closely at the pictures in the Tiffany Gardens books, I really think my stones look better than theirs!;o) Does that sound haughty or what? ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 1 00:43:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:38:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Classes & Prices Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 00:47:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.184726.0> References: <<1998Oct31.172643.0>> Precedence: bulk > of course it's mostly the stuff Suzanne talked about not > wanting to touch Does *all Kokomo have that funky texture, and just plain yucky feel to it? If so, why would anyone want it? > but there was a bit of turquoise and green Spectrum that I > liked). Ooooooooooohhhhh, I want some of that. I couldnt find any really nice greens the other day, other than stuff I already had. Just as well ;o) I wouldnt have been able to afford it! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 1 00:58:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:44:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass identification Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 00:54:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Oct31.18544.0> Precedence: bulk On the cover of Tiffany Garden...the pansies, The mottled looking multi colored glass used for the background.... I think that is the coolest looking glass. I have seen similar bullseye, and saw a small picture of some *stippled glass in WC catalog... Anybody know what that glass might be called, so that maybe I can find something similar for myself? ;o) That is one of those glasses I that I would want to hoard. Oh, btw, I saw a glass at the store the other day....(lotsa money, cant even remember what it cost over $20 a ft I think) it was sooooooo beautiful... I saw so many scenes in it. from one side, I could see a garden, from the other side looking at the light you could see the bottom of the ocean with plants and air bubbles, etc...really amazing stuff. That must really be a sign of true talent, to be able to use a glass that like, and do justice to the glass. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass

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