From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 01:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:12:51 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.221251.0> References: <<1998Aug1.95037.0>> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Gidday Shakeel and Y'all - when I was in UK there was a stained glass company (Hertfordshire area, maybe a bit further north??) who had some videos on making lampshades, from memory.... this is the kind of thing that would help, surely?? Anyone? --Catcha! Melanie Dunstan in Perth, Western Australia ---- Shakeel Abedi wrote: > How is it done? The soldering of copper wire around a suncatcher or rims of > a shade. How do you guys do it. ? Are there any techniques to it. > ------ Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 03:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:10:37 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.11037.0> Precedence: bulk About this I think, Elisabeth (& of course Toby) will be able to give more details. Shakeel -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Dunstan To: Shakeel Abedi Cc: Bungi Group Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 3:30 PM Subject: Re: That $%#!*? copper wire. >Gidday Shakeel and Y'all - when I was in UK there was a stained glass >company (Hertfordshire area, maybe a bit further north??) who had some >videos on making lampshades, from memory.... this is the kind of thing >that would help, surely?? Anyone? >--Catcha! >Melanie Dunstan in Perth, Western Australia >---- >Shakeel Abedi wrote: > >> How is it done? The soldering of copper wire around a suncatcher or rims of >> a shade. How do you guys do it. ? Are there any techniques to it. >> >------ >Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia >Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 08:49:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re Oddjob Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 09:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.44441.0> Precedence: bulk Did you receive the message to remove Oddjob from the list for a week??? I tried to send this yesterday morning but never saw it appear. Oddjob (my mother) forgot to e-mail the list to get removed (she's going out of town for a week). Her e-mail is oddjob@scc.net. Thanks!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 09:18:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Goldpaws Boo-Boo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:44:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199808011548.QAA21868@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Bbb-Boo Paws 'n Patrick This sure got a chuckle from ME... However, Patrick; you're cruel !! ....waiting for a collection of Swedish jokes....? Poor thing will have to wait a loooooong time!! Never knew that there existed such a thing as Swedish humour.... :-< Pssst! Heard the one about Patrick's grandad?? There came an Irish man from Kenkeeling, who travelled from Dublin to Ealing. It said on the door, "Please, don't spit on the floor", So he carefully spat on the ceiling! :-> Take care now! Elisabeth 'n Toby > My dear you suffer from an assortment of ailments beside your obvious lack > of balance (one leg is temporarily heavier and whiter than the other side). > My diagnosis is: > > Wissmatch Withdrawal > Spectrum Separation > BullsEye Breakdown > Yeogehmey (sp) Yearning > * and others I am too tired to mention (my couch has cats on it) > > Prognosis: > > In a few weeks your leg will get lighter and change back to the normal > color. However, the stress of being torn apart from your art will last until > the first inside cut goes awry and the profanity that always follows > relieves the pent up emotions. > > Suggestions until you are cured: > > Take 2 aspirins and a gallon of cheap wine and in the morning the hangover > will make you forget the pain in your leg. > > Don't try to waltz. Your partners life could be in danger and besides the > cast won't match your dress. Although, you could mosaic it (Hmmmm, another > topic of the week, casts of colors?) > > Snap off orders to your significant other .... that's always good for a > laugh. > > Braid your cats tail. He/she won't like it but like all art its an aesthetic > thing open to criticism. > > Collect and post Swedish jokes to the group (this will definitely get a rise > out of you-know-who in the UK). > > I could go on but your time is up. Pay the receptionist on the way out. All > donations go to the SGAA Fund for Lowering the Cost of Reference and > Technical Manual (SGAAFLCRTM). > > PS Get better quick, So much glass.... so little time. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 10:18:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:57:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.85731.0> References: <<1998Aug1.95037.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Shakeel: There is an alternative to wire reinforcement on lamps, suncatchers, and what have you. I always use Worden's FlexBar. It's great and so easy to use. It's like a tinned braid that you can curve around anything, and it stays in place. You just lay it down on the edge and solder... makes a nice finished edge. It's also used for reinforcement in panels. Alot of people don't carry it for some reason, but I find it's indispensable for alot of projects. (I used it for my workbench lamp--pool table lamp--around the top and bottom edge.) Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 10:50:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mini-Table Saw Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:11:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.91123.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: Was wondering if I could get some opinions on Inland's Wet/Dry Mini-Table Saw. I'll be using it to cut zinc for framing. I've heard about the Gryphon saw, but hoping someone out there has used Inland's and would pass on what they thought of it. Thanks in advance. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 12:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Goldpaws Boo-Boo Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:26:59 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug1.192659.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick offers Goldpaws a few << Suggestions until you are cured: [snip]>> Well, if glass weren't so *^#$@^##@! heavy, you could make a mosaic out of your cast. It *would* be a conversation starter! Hey, how 'bout making a mosaic "medallion," say 4-6" wide, on the outer side of the calf (or even on your knee if the cast goes up that far and you wear a lot of shorts, which everyone on the "top side" of the world is doing these days)? Lotsa bright colors and even some mirror, and grout it in the regular way. Who needs autographs? In the mean time, keep yer chin up, sweetie. A cast is not forever, thank God! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 13:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Molly's Cat Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:26:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug1.192651.0> Precedence: bulk <> Ah, but the "up" side of that is: All is not lost, she can make another one! (Gee, I don't know anyone who's ever done that, do you? ) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 14:23:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SAB319 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Removal Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:04:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug1.21453.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove my e-mail address from your list ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 17:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #42 (I think) Richard Callahan Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.13186.0> Precedence: bulk Hello ! I was born 51 years ago in West Orange ,New Jersey. Left New Jersey in 1978. I lived in central Penna 'till 1986, and have been here in California, since 1986. I've been married to the same great lady since 1968, and we have three daughters, one in the Coast Guard, one in the Navy, and the youngest just got a commission in the Air Force, no, I was not in the military, nor was my wife. My training was first in Economics, and I worked for a few years as a mortgage banker, and did some real estate development. Then, at 30, became a licensed mortician, and together with my wife, operated a succession of funeral homes in N.J., Penna.,and Calif. In 1996, after a terrible bout with cancer, which my wife survived, we decided to sell our business to an international consolidator.Selling was a good idea, staying to work with them was not. Am now lawyering a corporate divorce (nasty), and am preparing to open a glass supply /studio in my area. I also continue to do expert court testimony on funeral service matters. (Too many lawyers in California = too many lawsuits) Began glass (self -taught, books and video) about five years ago. During all of my wife's operations, and debilitating chemo, I turned to the glass to keep my sanity. I began getting requests for panels ,lamp shades, and candle surrounds from friends, by word of mouth, built up a trade although part -time, which was about all the volume I could handle. Some time ago, I began to get requests for repair work, and find that I really enjoy it. (But not before I wound up rebuilding several old windows which should have been simple repairs) Alas, at least I don't make the same mistakes twice, but seemed to make all of them once. Most of our lives were spent always being on call, 24/365. Glass has been an incredibly liberating experience for me. I have learned so much from the bungi group, that I can't even begin to say thanks. Also, the warmth and artistic range of this group continue to be an inspiration. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 18:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: WhispyBlu@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Running pliers Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:54:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.145437.0> References: <<1998Jul30.214659.0>> Precedence: bulk The dip it replaces the worn out coating on the pliers and keeps you from crushing the glass. You get the same effect as if they were new. My pliers or not plastic but metal with a screw in the top for adjusting to the thickness of the glass. As far as I know replacement pads cannot be bought for these. They were probably very cheap when I bought them. Molly WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/98 1:54:47 PM Central Daylight Time, > GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > > << I have some old gray running pliers that I love. I buy this stuff > called "Dip It" (it's red) and i dip my pliers >> > > Hi Molly! > What exactly does "Dip It" do for the running pliers or for accurate breaking? > > Lu Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 18:51:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Confusion Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.155628.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBD86.78EB5D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand. I was under the impression that we could read and = contribute to others involved with stained glass. Was I wrong ? =20 Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBD86.78EB5D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't understand.  I was under the impression = that we=20 could read and contribute to others involved with stained glass.  = Was I=20 wrong ? 
 
Arnold Schneider    Creekside=20 Creations    Richfield, Pa.
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBD86.78EB5D40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 19:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:27:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug2.12718.0> Precedence: bulk Shakeel, Like you, I am self taught. Geography was not my problem, but I was in a profession where I was on call always, and committment to a course was not possible. Like you, I learned from books, a few videos, and ,asking a lot of questions. Early on, I became very comfortable with the fact that the creation of SG art is a process which is very forgiving. While it is frustrating to have to do things over, at least you get the chance to do so. A piece doesn't look right? Cut another, Don't like the solder bead, or the lead line? ok, do it again. Knowing that I can if necessary, do that, makes a very imperfect person such as I, comfortable with an art medium, which allows one a second, or if necesary, multiple chances for satisfaction. At least that's how I see it! Or, the old Henny Youngman bromide " How to you get to Carnagie Hall?" Practice, Practice, Practice. Richard Glassics Inc. Valencia, California, USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 21:40:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Granny And PawPaw" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Confusion Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 00:12:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199808020415.AAA17166@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I don't understand. I was under the impression that we could read and = >contribute to others involved with stained glass. Was I wrong ? =20 No, Arnold, you are not confused. You can both read and contribute. The contribution must be made in a "reply". It is E-mail, not chat. Try replying to this note and see what happens! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 1 23:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: navix.net!js14529 From: jake schuette To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 00:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug1.194156.0> Organization: marty's stained glass Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 03:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: English cutting (was To buy OR not to buy Pattern sheers) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:02:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.1123.0> References: <<1998Jul30.95216.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jul30.95216.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" writes >I think lots of pros use English cutting >alot of the time, but on certain patterns >(for example, intricate florals) we do = > Dani, What is the English cutting method? I ask as a USAn working in Scotland. ????? = lots of head scratching! :-) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 03:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com Subject: Re: To buy OR not to buy Pattern sheers Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:58:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.105835.0> References: <<1998Jul30.16916.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jul30.16916.0@?>, LuvArtGlas@aol.com writes >Does anyone have a pattern for a light box? > Find a suitable piece of plate glass and build the box around it. Establish fittings in the bottom, include ventilation holes in the sides, acid etch or sand blast the back of the glass to diffuse the light. Another simple method is to support the glass on a few bricks (wrapped in newspaper to avoid scratches) put a light source under the glass and cut away. This is cheap (if not free) and can be put away when not in use. >Just out of curiousity.... how were patterns >transfered before electricity... Holding up to >window? Of course clear glass wasnt always >available.... The other thing is that opalescent glass isn't all that old i think. Most of the really dense stuff came into existence after electricity. > >Suzan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 03:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: Re: TOPIC - Reinforceing copper foil projects Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.115213.0> References: <<1998Aug1.9547.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Aug1.9547.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes >Could I suggest the topic. > >The methods, techniques, dos and don'ts and the art of reinforching with >copper wire. > > OK Shakeel, I'll bite. First: Why copper? It is only marginally harder than lead. Of course it has flexibility and a little recoverability, and can be soldered. But brass wire can also be soldered, has more strength and recoverability than copper. Bronze is even stronger (although I have not found any bronze wire of a small enough diameter). The second: Why reinforce at all? OK I know some reasons. For example, I have found that removable tops for terreria (or terriums?) need to have the bottom rim reinforced, or the top separates under its own weight - the adhesive not being strong enough to hold the whole together. But a copper wire around the bottom rim takes all this strain. Brass wire would so the same. But on a lamp the stresses are different. There is no force separating the panels. The forces would seem to be gravity, so wire around the rim would not deal with the main force. Wire *along* the panel joints from the vase cap to the bottom rim would seem to be the required reinforcement. Of course, if the lamp is a formed unit without straight lines, the stresses would be distributed through the glass, and not rely on the adhesive as much as with panels. Just my opinion of course. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 03:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:38:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.113837.0> References: <<1998Aug1.95037.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Aug1.95037.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes > >How is it done? The soldering of copper wire around a suncatcher or rims of >a shade. How do you guys do it. ? Are there any techniques to it. > Shakeel My method is to stretch the copper wire (like lead came) so you have a length of unkinked wire (sometimes i use twisted brass wire, where stretching doesn't work wo well) I start by tack soldering one end at an appropriate point. I then apply solder, sweating it to the rim, every 4-5cm say. When I get back to the start, I cut the wire to but the end of the already soldered wire. Using a pair of pliers to hold the wires together, I take a blob of solder and apply it to the joint. Then I go around the rim soldering the "gaps" and forming any bead possible. I hope this is clear and helps. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 08:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: English cutting (was To buy OR not to buy Pattern sheers) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.65114.0> References: <<1998Aug2.1123.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > > In message <1998Jul30.95216.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" > writes > >I think lots of pros use English cutting > >alot of the time, but on certain patterns > >(for example, intricate florals) we do = > > > Dani, > > What is the English cutting method? I ask as a USAn working in > Scotland. > ????? = lots of head scratching! :-) > Steve > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass as far as i remember the english method refers to tracing the pattern on the glass. instead of cutting the pattern apart and tracing the pattern with the cutter. the method is somewaht faster, and you don't loose the pattern pieces. however due to the angle or opacity of the glass you may not be able to easily see through the glass. but most of the time i can, when i can't i usually trace the pattern over the glass with carbon paper. then i trace the carbon paper lines with a white marker. a little extra work, but it works for me. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 08:47:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: Carolyn Noel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mini-Table Saw Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.45122.0> References: <<1998Aug1.91123.0>> Precedence: bulk Carolyn, Just bought one last week. Give me a couple of days and I'll let you know how I like it. Nelda Carolyn Noel wrote: > Hi Everyone: > Was wondering if I could get some opinions on Inland's Wet/Dry > Mini-Table Saw. I'll be using it to cut zinc for framing. I've heard > about the Gryphon saw, but hoping someone out there has used Inland's > and would pass on what they thought of it. > Thanks in advance. > Carolyn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 11:36:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Confusion Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.94238.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBE1B.69DC94A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suzanne Thanks for clearing it up Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBE1B.69DC94A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Suzanne   Thanks for = clearing it=20 up
 
Arnold Schneider    = Creekside=20 Creations    Richfield, Pa.
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDBE1B.69DC94A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 12:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: A long and detailed bit on copper wire application Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:44:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.4442.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard [SMTP:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 02, 1998 2:39 AM To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: That $%#!*? copper wire. In message <1998Aug1.95037.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes > >How is it done? The soldering of copper wire around a suncatcher or rims of >a shade. How do you guys do it. ? Are there any techniques to it. > Shakeel Steve " My method is to stretch the copper wire (like lead came) so you have a length of unkinked wire (sometimes i use twisted brass wire, where stretching doesn't work wo well) " [*Glenn*] To add to this, foiled projects need some treatment on the edge to bring the visual width to the same or more as the internal line width (wider because it has two foil edges added together whereas the outside edge is only one). One way would be, as I think it was Mike said, was to use a wider foil applied around the edge, this though provides little extra strength and is suitable for smaller projects and those that get their strength from their 3 D structure. Other ways would be to add a lead edge tinned or untinned (U or H of appropriate size for the project) which provides more strength, wired edge (single of different gauges or twisted using two or more wires of the same or different diameters), brass or other hard metal came (limited to straight or gently curved edges, which requires a came bender). With respect to the wire edge, the size of the wire can be changed to change the width of the edge obtained. 2 or more wires of different gauges can be combined to obtain a variety of visual effects. The wire can be twisted by taking equal lengths of wire, (somewhat longer than required as wire is twisted it becomes shorter and to compensate for trim at the ends), placing in a vise one end that has a few tight twists and is bent to lock the wires together, and taking the other end in a drill and at slow speed or in short bursts twisting the wire keeping the wires taut, too little and the wires will separate, too much and the wire will break. Practice and experimentation will achieve the effect you desire. To remove kinks from your wire, run the wire, after it has been straightened as much as possible, around a hardwood or metal cylinder, (like an old table leg), so that the ends come back to the same point and run it back and forth under pressure. Steve "I start by tack soldering one end at an appropriate point. I then apply solder, sweating it to the rim, every 4-5cm say. When I get back to the start, I cut the wire to but the end of the already soldered wire. Using a pair of pliers to hold the wires together, I take a blob of solder and apply it to the joint. Then I go around the rim soldering the "gaps" and forming any bead possible." To add to this, an appropriate staring point tack is always where an internal line comes to the outside of the piece. This is the anchor point. Then with the wire bent in a curve away from your project, roll it down onto the edge (this ensures that the wire stays tight to the edge), keeping it centred on the edge, and tacking ever inch and wherever the leadlines come to the edge as further anchor points (this prevents the wire from pulling the foil away from the edge). Don't forget to flux the wire before tacking. When you return to the starting point and are prepared to butt end it is important to tack the end a short distance from the starting tack, then use a wooden pencil or dowel end to hold the first tack in place while you tack the end wire (this is because the starting tack will tend to want to break free). The wood hold down will also likely be needed when doing the bead at this point. The bead is applied a small amount at a time and not "floated" or "run" as is done on the seams. The glass should be held vertically by the left hand, which is also holding the solder, or between blocks (this depends on whether the piece is rectangular or curved) The solder should be enough to give a bead on the "face" side of the foil without drooping. This does require practice as gravity works against you! The solder from each application should be allowed to gel before going on to the next application. If the solder drops off, you have applied too much, if the foil on the face is only tinned then you have added too little. It is very important to keep the glass as vertical as possible while doing the edge. On curved works it is important to only apply solder at the zenith or high point then let it gel before moving on otherwise gravity will take over and the bead will run. Remember to keep hands and legs from under where you are soldering (or use protection) as the drops, if they fall, are rather hot! With respect to hanging, there are a variety of choices other than wood framing on the smaller works. You can put loops in the wire as you are placing it (of course always at points where the internal solder lines come to the edge). This is appropriate for pieces up to about a foot in diameter. One to two foot dimension will need a piece of wire run through the loop and down either side for a distance in the seamline. Very small suncatchers may not require the wire edge (but a good edge bead) and only a loop into the seam for hanging. Edge beading is difficult and requires practice and patience for a satisfactory result. Many use U lead came instead, this can be tinned if a copper finish is required. Twisted wire can also be applied to seamlines, especially on 3D projects for added effect. There is also a technique for doing the meeting edges of boxes to get a perfect mating with no gaps. I will detail this if there are any interested parties. I apologize for the length of this but I have found that this is one area where the books do little more than lip service to a somewhat difficult technique. Well, back to my closet hiding place. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 15:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: English cutting (was To buy OR not to buy Pattern sheers) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.132843.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve- In English cutting, one places the = pattern on a lightbox, places the glass over the pattern, then cuts the glass (with some distortion, of course, due to the = thickness of the glass). The European/ German method requires the tracing of a second pattern, with carbon paper or on a light box, the second pattern = is then cut apart with pattern shears, the individual pieces are traced onto = the glass with a Sharpie or china marker, then those pieces of glass are cut along the inside edge of the mark. A slightly greater degree of accuracy is obtained using this method, provided of course the glazier can accurately cut glass! It also takes longer. Hope this clarifies things a bit! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 16:13:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Box Hinges Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug2.84020.0> References: <<1998Jul31.63121.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike: What do you use for a center pin on the type of box hinge you described? What keeps the pin from falling out? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 16:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To buy OR not to buy a light box Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug2.84954.0> References: <<1998Jul31.104833.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone. And in the same vein as the pattern shears, if you don't have a light box you can always use a coffee table with a glass insert. Put a lamp beneath it and you have a light box, or at least an interim light box. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 16:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Science proves glass doesn't flow. Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug2.9118.0> References: <<199807312120.RAA03368@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Albert! I have now included your information as part of the SGGA Technical Manual. I also believe there is much more about the properties of glass that we will discover in the future that explains the molecular alighnment that permits us to score and break glass. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 18:22:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: To: glasscat@infinet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mini-Table Saw Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:04:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.0453.0> Precedence: bulk I have the Inland saw and like it pretty well. Biggest problem is that the doohickey that you use for mitre-ing corners is hard to adjust precisely. I usually have to cut the angles a few times and keep adjusting until I get it close enough to look good on visible corners. (But it only takes a fraction of an inch each time, so there's not a lot of waste.) I've used it on zinc, brass, and copper -- I'm about to go buy a new blade for it as my original one is now too dull to cut. - Marilyn A New Light ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 2 18:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Box Hinges Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:09:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug2.16949.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Mike: What do you use for a center pin on the type of box hinge you > described? What keeps the pin from falling out? Peggy you can use the regular inner tube. generally the pin is pretty tight. it might help if you put a slight kink in the tubes for snugness. of course the ultimate cure, is to not have a removable hinge pin, because it's not really needed. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 03:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:06:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.10617.0> Precedence: bulk Is it just me???? Or does everyone have trouble cutting Baroque glass? Everytime I try to cut out my angel fish the glass breaks down a grain line....Its so frustrating HELP! Suzan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 06:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Ugggggghhhh Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:27:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.4275.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDBEB8.7F786B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few things that might help, although you probably tried = them....Reverse pattern and cut on the smooth side of the glass....Wash = the glass before you cut....Use a new cutter....All else fails, cut it = with a saw, as I do. Arnold Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDBEB8.7F786B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few things that might help, = although you=20 probably tried them....Reverse pattern and cut on the smooth side of the = glass....Wash the glass before you cut....Use a new cutter....All else = fails,=20 cut it with a saw, as I do.
 
Arnold    Creekside=20 Creations    Richfield, Pa.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDBEB8.7F786B20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 07:25:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.53341.0> References: <<1998Aug3.10617.0>> Precedence: bulk LuvArtGlas@aol.com wrote: > > Is it just me???? > > Or does everyone have trouble cutting Baroque glass? > Everytime I try to cut out my angel fish the glass breaks > down a grain line....Its so frustrating HELP! > > Suzan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if i had to guess from here on what's happening... i would have to sav that as you pull or push the cutter, it's hitting a ridge and sliding a little. causing a fracture to go down the wrong way. or that you not putting enough pressure on the cutter to make a good score. or that the last time you broke the piece out it caused little tiny fractures (maybe due to tapping too hard). and it's folling one of those lines. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 07:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Quick tip: That $%#!*? copper wire. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.52530.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, you already know to put the project vertical where you are = installing the wire. Here's a quick tip to get it to lay against the = edge of the project. This takes two hands so the project must be secured on it's own. The = wire will conform to the shape of the edges of your project better if = you curl it slightly in the opposite direction. That is if you are going = around an external curve, gently curl the wire in the opposite way. You = can then hold the wire further away from where you will solder and it = will want to take on the shape of the curve as you guide it. Also you = can pre-bend inside and outside points, gently curl the area with the = inside and outside points and coax in into place while you dot with an = iron full of solder. Hard to explain but easier to do.=20 Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 08:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lead free solder and copper patina Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:53:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199808031449.HAA22806@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk I'm doing a commission for a large SG bowl that my client wants done with lead free solder and copper patina. A lot of the glass in this bowl is clear waterglass (foiled with copper back foil), so if there's no way to make the patina work, I have to tear the whole thing apart and refoil, which I don't want to do. What IS the metal(s) in lead free solder? It does NOT say on the roll. I use purified water for all rinsing. I have NEVER before had trouble with copper patina so it must be the solder causing this. So far I have: 1 Cleaned the solder really well (like I always do) Applied patina and got a spotty black/copper mess Tried clean up with finishing compound Still a spotty mess 2 Cleaned again with vinegar and salt Applied patina and got a spotty black/copper mess Tried clean up with finishing compound Still a spotty mess 3 Used steel wool on all the solder Applied patina and got a spotty black/copper mess Tried clean up with finishing compound Still a spotty mess (but marginally better) 4 Ranted, raved, cursed, threatened the use the fruit bowl for a football. Please can anybody help? Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 10:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Computer Question Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.83059.0> Precedence: bulk Is there any way to down load all of your email in one shot, not 30 at a time???? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 11:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Avoid this virus!!! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.85633.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: beyerfl@juno.com > To: Lsg > Subject: > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 5:20 PM > > > >If you receive an email titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. > It > >> will erase > >> >everything on your drive. Forward this letter out to as many > people > >> as you > >> >can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people > know > >> about > >> > >> it. > >> >This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft; > >> please share > >> >it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, > pass > >> this along > >> >to everyone in your address book so that this may be stopped... > > >> > > > > > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 12:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Computer Question Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:30:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.103055.0> References: <<1998Aug3.83059.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk It depends - What software are you using to access email? Michael Minchelli wrote: > > Is there any way to down load all of your email in one shot, not 30 at a > time???? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 12:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, LuvArtGlas@aol.com Subject: Cutting Spectrum Baroque Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:29:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199808031829.OAA12884@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Is it just me???? Or does everyone have trouble cutting Baroque glass? Everytime I try to cut out my angel fish the glass breaks down a grain line....Its so frustrating HELP! Suzan<< I cut a lot of Spectrum Barogue and have generally good success. Some things I do when cutting this glass: 1. Cut on the smooth side. This applies to most all glasses, 2. Cut a rough textured glass like SB on a well padded surface to avoid creating high pressure contact points when cutting. A few layers of newspaper or a thin carpet will do, 3. Realize that some baroque color combinations are not truly compatible for COE and may provide less cutting success. Reducing the size of the piece with simple cuts before making final cuts may help, 4. Cut larger pieces first so if they are miscut they can be used for smaller pieces. This applies to all glass, and 5. Test your cutter on some scrap glass if not sure it is cutting well. Hope this helps, Bob Ps: Going to http://www.spectrumglass.com and presenting the problem to them may help. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Thanks, America.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 13:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Computer Question Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:19:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.191916.0> Precedence: bulk Michael Minchelli's enquiring mind wants to know: > Is there any way to down load all of your email in one > shot, not 30 at a time???? Do you mean a daily digest? I wish! Given the choice, I always sign up for "digest" mode when I join a list. It keeps the old inbox so much neater. What say you, list owners? Can we have a daily digest mode? Or an "every time we hit 500 lines" digest? Please? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 13:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! (It's a hoax) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199808032135.RAA00951@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > >If you receive an email titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. A new hoax is making its way around the Internet, posing as a virus alert. This latest twist on the "Join the Crew" hoax includes many of the hoax heuristics you can read about in "Hypes and Hoaxes". It claims to warn you of a "new, very malicious virus" and asks you to spread the news to as many people as you can. It references the "RETURNED MAIL" hoax as well, claiming that it will "attach itself to your computer components" and "render them useless". Sources of authority are quoted as well. This hoax claims "If you receive an e-mail titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it, it will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to as many people as you can." This message is a hoax. There is no chance to win a vacation; there is no such virus; and there is no reason to pass this message on to as many people as you can. As with all hoaxes, the best thing you can do is to delete it and forget about it. Ref: http://www.av.ibm.com/BreakingNews/HypeAlert/Holiday/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 14:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To buy OR not to buy a light box Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:43:15 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.194315.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-02 19:30:15 EDT, you write: << Hi Everyone. And in the same vein as the pattern shears, if you don't have a light box you can always use a coffee table with a glass insert. Put a lamp beneath it and you have a light box, or at least an interim light box. Peggy >> Our light box is either a piece of plexyglass(sp?) set on the lap and braced on the tabletop with a lamp set on the floor at the feet. Or standing at the window. Both ways work great and no storage problem. Dianne Jacksonville, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 15:35:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: English cutting (was To buy OR not to buy Pattern sheers) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:23:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199808032127.WAA07566@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, The "English Method" is to draw a "master drawing", which is a kind of engineering drawing. That drawing remains inviolate, doesn't get cut up or anything. You lay it onto a board and place all your glass onto it and through the visible lead lines that you can see through the glass, you cut inside the leadline - all the transparent glass. For the glass that is hard to see through, you place your drawing over a light-box; for the real opaque glass that even a light-box won't show through, you cut out a separate template of that piece only, place it over the glass and draw around template with a chinograph-pen.; cut it, then adujst and trim to the original piece as on your drawing. I hope I am explaining this sufficiently well, since it is the ONLY method I use and which I use daily professionally. Whatever you do, whatever method you chose, your pieces STILL have to fit within a kind of master drawing. With pattern shears you have to make TWO drawings, one to cut up into little pieces and the other into which your pieces need to be fitted. Through the "English Method" you have eliminated a rather needless process; Why cut out bits of paper (the American Method) when you can see perfectly well what you are supposed to do through the glass itself. And if you can't see clearly through the drawing & glass, ILLUMINATE it. If you still cant see, make a separate template. Once you have drawn your drawing, why cut it up into little pieces??. And the very process of cutting it up leeds to cutting errors, slips and jagged bits. However, people prefer to use different methods because it's "right" for them. In the final analysis, however you cut, it STILL has to fit your "Master Drawing". Your master drawing has to be perfect.. Your drawing is the be all and end all of your creation and construction. I have myself never quite understood the merits of using "pattern-shears" A needless extra element, that invites additional margins of errors. In Historic Times, when paper was not a cheap and cheerful commodity, "master drawings" were made on the sheet of wood onto which the glass wascut, assembled and constructed. For dark or opalescent glass used, a paper tracing was made from the drawing, placed on top of a light source and thus cut. The traces of the drawing on the paper subsequently removed, so that the precious paper could be used again. When European Master Craftsmen swapped and changed designs and drawings in "yesteryear" amongst each other, they exchanged sheets of wood. Paper was too expensive That is the heritage of the "English Method". It is actually a very eficcient and accurate method still today. The Brits are superb engineers, always have been. I encourage my students in Britain to also learn, play, and experiment with the "American Method", it still remains a mystery to them. They just cannot see the logic, rationale of adding a rather inaccurate and haphazard element into the process. However, both methods exist and are practiced; they are a reality. This is where the large quanitity of water will divide us. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Steve Richard wrote: > > > > In message <1998Jul30.95216.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" > > writes > > >I think lots of pros use English cutting > > >alot of the time, but on certain patterns > > >(for example, intricate florals) we do = > > > > > Dani, > > > > What is the English cutting method? I ask as a USAn working in > > Scotland. > > ????? = lots of head scratching! :-) > > Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Richard > > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > as far as i remember the english method refers to tracing the pattern on > the glass. instead of cutting the pattern apart and tracing the pattern > with the cutter. > > the method is somewaht faster, and you don't loose the pattern pieces. > however due to the angle or opacity of the glass you may not be able to > easily see through the glass. but most of the time i can, when i can't i > usually trace the pattern over the glass with carbon paper. then i trace > the carbon paper lines with a white marker. a little extra work, but it > works for me. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass > Tip Pages > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 16:00:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Michael Minchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.135451.0> References: <<1998Aug3.85633.0>> Precedence: bulk Michael Minchelli wrote: > > ---------- > > From: beyerfl@juno.com > > To: Lsg > > Subject: > > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 5:20 PM > > > > > > >If you receive an email titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. > > It > > >> will erase > > >> >everything on your drive. Forward this letter out to as many > > people > > >> as you > > >> >can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people > > know > > >> about > > >> > > >> it. > > >> >This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft; > > >> please share > > >> >it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, > > pass > > >> this along > > >> >to everyone in your address book so that this may be stopped... > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass just as a side note, it's spam. it's like an email chain letter. ultimitly it's that letter that is the virus, as it clogs up the systems. especially since they don't name the virus. there is at least 1 vires the HARE virus that's supposed to be bad. and the CIH virus, but it only affects EXE files (though quite deadly)... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 16:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ugggggghhhh Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.1442.0> References: <<1998Aug3.4275.0>> Precedence: bulk Actually, this is knd of interesting...I'm getting blank messages in my mail (using the mail in Netscape), but if i save the messages as text, then I can open them and read them. Says they are multipart/alternative. One part says text/plain, the other part is in HTML. I'm kind of wondering if my reply will show up with the message attached. Ah, well, at least now I know I can read them.... Ain't this all so much fun? Dorothy K Oh, yeah, I've had very little trouble with barouque. This is probably famous last words. Granny And PawPaw wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 16:31:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Michael Minchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Computer Question Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:51:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug3.135112.0> References: <<1998Aug3.83059.0>> Precedence: bulk Michael Minchelli wrote: > > Is there any way to down load all of your email in one shot, not 30 at a > time???? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if you wait a couple of days and have it pile up. all the messages come in at seperate time, as far as i know. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 17:17:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Computer Question Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:45:48 PDT Message-ID: References: <> Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Computer Question" on Aug 3, 15:19, writes:] > > > Is there any way to down load all of your email in one > > shot, not 30 at a time???? > > Do you mean a daily digest? I wish! Given the choice, I always sign up for > "digest" mode when I join a list. It keeps the old inbox so much neater. What > say you, list owners? Can we have a daily digest mode? Or an "every time we > hit 500 lines" digest? Please? Sorry this list is not available in digest form -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 17:38:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A long and detailed bit on copper wire application. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:47:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.234719.0> Precedence: bulk Glenn: Thanks for the copper wire info. I, for one, would like to hear (see) your wire applications to 3-D seamlines -- box edges, etc. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 3 19:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: red pen Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:29:13 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.12913.0> Precedence: bulk I have recently stumbled across a new pen for writing on black glass. Well it might be all that new to someone out there, but for those of you still trying to "mess" with those white or gold paint pens, there is a better way. The Staedtler, those small fine tips that are good for tracing for foil also has a red pen. The cap is red so it'd easy to find. It shows up as a flourescent green color on black and dark colored glass. It still isn't vivsible for some people but for people who do small foil peices it is great! There is also a Staedtler Superfine pen. Great for even more accuracy in foil projects. I use the fine tip for the mylar pattern, then the superfine for the tracing of the mylar onto the glass. Next I'll want a superfine red pen, heheheh. Well If any of you out there know a supplier of the Staedtler refils, yes they are reffilable!, please fill me in...*sm*... Scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 01:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: signature on emails Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:12:02 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.11122.0> Precedence: bulk to leestat7 i think you asked about the signature at the bottom of emails ??? i am using outlook express so it would be different with other software but here is the menus.. Tools/Stationery/Signature there you can write your own (including address) or even include a whole file. Have fun! (sorry if i got your question wrong) Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ^ /^\ . /\ "V" /__\ I O o //..\\ I . \].`[/ I /l\/j\ (]| . O /. ~~ ,\/I . \\L__j^\/I o \/--v} I o . | | I _________ | | I c(` ')o | l I \. ,/ _/j L l\_! _//^---^\\_ >:< gandalf@rivendel.com >:< gandalf@lorien.umd.edu >:< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 01:46:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! (It's a hoax) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:58:54 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.35854.0> Precedence: bulk from http://www.mirabilis.com/temp/notice.html "Virii (or virusses) CAN be sent through email. But they cannot be plain text. Here are known ways to send virii through email: 1. With an attached executable. This can only hurt you if you execute it. Names will be disguised like Windows96up.exe or Freestuff.exe. 2. As an HTML mail-message, linking to a gif/jpeg file, which has a virus in it. Text-only mail-readers will not be hurt by this. 3. Mail with an attached Word/Excel file. This can only hurt you, if you open it in the corresponding program. It will have a macro in it, that actually has a virus. Protection against this is common-sense." - Mercurio Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ^ /^\ . /\ "V" /__\ I O o //..\\ I . \].`[/ I /l\/j\ (]| . O /. ~~ ,\/I . \\L__j^\/I o \/--v} I o . | | I _________ | | I c(` ')o | l I \. ,/ _/j L l\_! _//^---^\\_ >:< gandalf@rivendel.com >:< gandalf@lorien.umd.edu >:< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 03:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: A long and detailed bit on copper wire application. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:59:05 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.9595.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_902224746_boundary Content-ID: <0_902224746@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Glenn, Ditto for me! Lenore --part0_902224746_boundary Content-ID: <0_902224746@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay14.mx.aol.com (relay14.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.14]) by air09.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:40:42 -0400 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by relay14.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA07314; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: A long and detailed bit on copper wire application. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:47:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug3.234719.0> Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Glenn: Thanks for the copper wire info. I, for one, would like to hear (see) your wire applications to 3-D seamlines -- box edges, etc. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part0_902224746_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 03:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:04:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199808041157.HAA07525@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > there's the new scare of the cih virus which could effect the flash > bios... i was wondering when they were going to make that type of virus. "Scare" being the operative word, for the most part, when it comes to virus alerts. There's some really good information at http://www.qadas.com/qadas/iso/iso-hm/0315.html which I suggest for anyone concerned about viruses. Now there *are real viruses, but there is *real danger of being hit by lightning, too, although the odds of that happening are lower than hitting the PowerBall. If anyone here is really concerned about virus attack of their computer, you should get McAfee Virus Scan or a similar product and install it. It automatically checks for and deletes them and, as new ones are developed (yes, there are people who actually *build these things and send them out) McAfee and the other firms publish updates that are automatically loaded into your computer to continue your protection. Personally, that's what I've done. And I also lock the doors at night when I go to bed. I sleep easier that way. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 04:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Computer Question Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.2152.0> Precedence: bulk I kind of like little bits of glass info coming in throughout the day. If it comes up, I'd vote no. Linda ---------- From: Glenna Rand[SMTP:gjr@bungi.com] Sorry this list is not available in digest form ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 06:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Computer Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199808041411.KAA11274@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Sorry this list is not available in digest form Personally, I don't think there are so many messages that a digest is called for. It seems to me that I get 3-23 messages, very rarely more than that, although time was it could be 60-70. That seems to be a thing of the past, though, now that we're more polite. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 06:47:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.net!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Computer Questions: Thanks worked it out. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Had to have my account changed from a ".com" to a ".net" My address will stay the same but all of my mail will be forwarded to the net acct. Any way... Thanks for your input. Michael ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 08:08:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More Tools...Mosaic Cutters Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: <199808041432.HAA22649@ark.com> Precedence: bulk >To: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >Subject: Re: More Tools...Mosaic Cutters >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Joan...There is actually an "allen wrench" that should of come with your cutters. If it did not, then take to a small hand tool outlet and they can sell you one. They are cheap and usually come in packages of different sizes. (The same wrench that you would use for the screw on your grinder bit, only bigger)---same idea. These wheels come loose quite frequently, so you will definetly (sp) need one. >Another tip is to mark the wheels with a small dot of paint from paint pen and when they start to 'dull', you can loosen the wheels and turn them slightly, giving you a new set of cutters. >.........Wayne > > >>This is another tool I use daily, because I frequently cut very small >>pieces off skinny strips of glass. I recently noticed that one of the >>wheels has started to "wiggle" very badly, making the tool difficult to >>use. There does not seem a slot for any type of screw driver. Does >>anyone know what I can use (if anything) to tighten this up again? >> >>Thanks! Joan >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 09:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:11:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199808041704.NAA19317@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > well, i've been a big proponent of this view too, but alas, have found that we > have been overtaken by technology. it IS possible to receive a virus if you > use certain mail readers on certain hardware types. see > http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/28/internet.security.reut/index.html Thanks for passing that along, Charlie. I read the piece and it says, "The flaw, discovered by computer security experts in Finland, affects two Microsoft Corp. e-mail programs -- Outlook Express and Outlook 98 -- as well as Netscape Communications Corp.'s Web browser." I don't use any of those personally, but for email I use Pegasus Mail, which is freeware and can be found at http://www.download.com/ Just type "Pegasus" into the search tool that appears and download and install either the 16-bit or 32-bit version. Eudora for email is also highly recommended (not by me, 'cause I don't know/use it, but I'm sure it's fine). The most important points the article you referenced echo those that I've already made: that any danger lies in the attachments ... executable files and so on. The trick to avoiding problems is to not open or run stuff from people you don't know. On the other hand, I download software All The Time from the web, trusting not only in the ethics of reputable firms but also in the on-the-fly protection offered by McAfee's Virus Shield, which runs in the background, watches everything, and kills those bugs dead if/when it finds anything. Personally, I've only ever encountered the FORMA virus (which causes your keyboard to make funny clicking sounds on the 18th of the month ... harmless? yes. annoying? also yes). McAfee has detected it in the past and immediately stops the computer, tells you it's encountered the virus, and asks me what it should do. Of course, I tell it to squash the critter, which it does. VirusScan's available at http://www.mcafee.com/products/virusscan/virusscan.asp where it's described this way: "VirusScan provides complete desktop protection with an array of scanning features that keep your system clean, mean and virus-free. Using only the latest technology, VirusScan detects 100% of viruses including floppy disks, Internet downloads, e-mail attachments, Intranets, shared files, CD-ROM and online services (even inside the most popular compressed file types)." I paid $69.95 for it; I see it's on sale today for $39.95 (wouldn't you know!?) On the other hand, you can download and Evaluate it for FREE. Just click on Evaluate, fill out the form (it's required), and download it. McAfee's famous for allowing you to try the full-blown version of their software for a period of time before you decide to buy it. It's 30-45 days, I don't remember, but plenty of time to see that it works. I doubt that you'll encounter a virus in that time, to be honest. I haven't seen anything since FORMA and that was years ago ... 2-3 years at least. Of course, McAfee's not the only game in town. Norton makes one, too: http://www.symantec.com/ By the way, I don't own stock in any of these (actually, I don't own *any stock, to be honest), so these are just suggestions as to how I sleep best at night. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 09:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Avoid this virus!!! Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 07:24:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199808041157.HAA07525@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > there's the new scare of the cih virus which could effect the flash > bios... i was wondering when they were going to make that type of > virus. > > "Scare" being the operative word, for the most part, when it comes to > virus alerts. There's some really good information at > which I suggest for anyone concerned about viruses. > > Now there *are real viruses, but there is *real danger of being hit > by lightning, too, although the odds of that happening are lower than > hitting the PowerBall. If anyone here is really concerned about virus > attack of their computer, you should get McAfee Virus Scan or a > similar product and install it. It automatically checks for and > deletes them and, as new ones are developed (yes, there are people > who actually *build these things and send them out) McAfee and the > other firms publish updates that are automatically loaded into your > computer to continue your protection. > > Personally, that's what I've done. And I also lock the doors at > night when I go to bed. I sleep easier that way. > > Albert > ---- well, i've been a big proponent of this view too, but alas, have found that we have been overtaken by technology. it IS possible to receive a virus if you use certain mail readers on certain hardware types. see Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lightening strikes Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808041511.IAA13985@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, My server says I was recently hit by lightening....modem fried on one side:( Connects sometimes and not other. Had BC tel come by and check the outside line.... they have lightening protectors on the house actually....surge protection. And at the pole. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 10:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Final post on Lead free solder and copper patina Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:28:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199808041524.IAA06740@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk Talked to my client this morning and she decided that it was more important to have the lead free solder than it was to have the copper colour, so will be totally disassembling the bowl, refoiling and resoldering. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 10:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Ringstar pliers Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199808041432.HAA22657@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Howdy gang....Does anyone know where I can get replacement pads for these pliers. They are great and the pads will come out east, but have never seen them in catalogs. I have used them so much, they are starting to 'wear out'. Thanks....Wayne Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 13:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: red pen Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808041510.IAA06041@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Scott, I use staedtlers and love them....tend to be harder to use in the winter. Get my supply from the "mill office", but you can ask for refills at the business supply store, may be able to help. Smiles, Cindy PS...home for aday and now off to Bella Coola...talk to ya soon guys:):) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 13:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non-glass - Virus Protection Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:46:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.164624.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-04 12:14:19 EDT, you write: << On the other hand, you can download and Evaluate it for FREE. Just click on Evaluate, fill out the form (it's required), and download it. McAfee's famous for allowing you to try the full-blown version of their software for a period of time before you decide to buy it. It's 30-45 days, I don't remember, but plenty of time to see that it works. >> I just bought Windows 98 and got the McAfee VirusScan software for free. The McAfee was $29.99 at Office Depot and if you bought Windows 98 with it, there was a rebate for $30.00. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 13:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: red pen Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:43:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.19432.0> Precedence: bulk scott floyd sez: > still trying to "mess" with those white or gold paint pens Mess is right! They leak like the dickens. Every paint pen I own is wrapped in 2" wide clear tape to keep the paint off my hands. Thanks for the hot tip (no pun intended) re the Staedtler pens! (And I had completely forgotten about the "Chinagraph" markers used by our friends on the other side of the pond.) Off to the local art supply store... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 14:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Digest (getting off topic, sorry!) was Re: Computer Question Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:42:55 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.194255.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna says: > Sorry this list is not available in digest form But my question is: *Do you have the capability* to make it into a digest? And if so, why not offer that option? Most listserver programs do have that feature. (Note to Linda C et al: The default option is to keep getting the individual messages. Anyone who wanted the digest would have to deliberately *choose* that option.) The fact that you're already compiling monthly archives (which have now become so large as to be difficult, if not impossible, to download - I've tried, and the longer ones in particular always seem to "hang") indicates that it should be possible. AFAIK, it's a matter of setup. And it would be *so* much easier for a lot of us subscribers (especially those of us who only get to the computer a couple of times a day and have a lot of other correspondence going including other businesses), since the list is so busy (and so are we all )! In short, I'm asking (and I think Michael M was too) that the digest option be made available if possible. In the mean time, thanks much to our list owners for your hard work and dedication! Having said my piece, I will now upshut. :-) Back to glass! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 16:21:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: RED PEN Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:30:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.223033.0> Precedence: bulk ChinaGragh markers? Are these the wax based china marrkers that Berol makes? LuvArtGlas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 16:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Non-Glass, sort of Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:33:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.223317.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone here know if there are any nice screensavers available that incorporate, preferably, a stained glass motif or secondly, a kaleidoscopic effect? I think it would be quite neat, but in somewhat limited searching I have not turned up anything. Would appreciate any input. Thanks. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 16:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Solder on zinc came. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:25:13 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug4.222513.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians: When soldering the edges of foiled panels (windows) to 1/4" zinc came borders, I often end up with a very rough surface where the solder joins the zinc. It just doesn't want to adhere well or if it does, the solder surface is like it contains very fine grains of sand. I have cleaned the came thoroughly, thinking there might be oily material on it, but it's not much better. Any ideas? Thanks. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 17:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Klmxklm@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:08:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.16829.0> References: <<1998Aug4.222513.0>> Precedence: bulk Klmxklm@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bungians: > When soldering the edges of foiled panels (windows) to 1/4" zinc came borders, > I often end up with a very rough surface where the solder joins the zinc. It > just doesn't want to adhere well or if it does, the solder surface is like it > contains very fine grains of sand. I have cleaned the came thoroughly, > thinking there might be oily material on it, but it's not much better. Any > ideas? Thanks. > "Mike" Mikolajczak > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sounds like the zinc is acting like a heat sink and absorbing all the heat for the solder. after touching the iron to the join, let the iron rest on the zinc for a little longer. keep an eye on the solder going onto the zinc, you should see it spread a little. that should be enough, the solder should look a little like water on the surface when the iron leaves. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 18:25:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: solder as you go Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.142654.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a good reason not to tack solder a leaded panel.? I'm about half way through a 200 piece project and would like to tack a few of the first pieces put in place. Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 19:04:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Solder Problems Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.164149.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDBFE8.4DE96060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have that problem [have lots of others, but not that one] Flux = lightly, use a good quality 60/40 solder, like Canfield or Fry. Very = often "bargain" solders are made with reclaimed metals. These contain = impurities that can really screw up a beautiful piece of art. Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDBFE8.4DE96060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't have that problem [have lots = of others,=20 but not that one]  Flux lightly, use a good quality 60/40 solder, = like=20 Canfield or Fry.  Very often "bargain" solders are made = with=20 reclaimed metals.  These contain impurities that can really screw = up a=20 beautiful piece of art.
 
Arnold Schneider    = Creekside=20 Creations    Richfield, Pa.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDBFE8.4DE96060-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 19:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder as you go Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.174044.0> References: <<1998Aug4.142654.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > Is there a good reason not to tack solder a leaded panel.? I'm about > half way through a 200 piece project and would like to tack a few of the > first pieces put in place. > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the only reason why you would'nt is in case you need to adjust something later. like a background piece or the like. also if you need to patina or do touch ups, the corrosion on the solder may prevent that. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 19:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Solder on zinc came. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.171052.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike- That's one of the drawbacks to using zinc - the solder DOESN't like to adhere and it's a weaker solder joint than when using lead. And, also there's the problem of the zinc reacting with the solder and raising the melting point of the solder - often the iron is just not beefy enough to supply the resultant heat demand. We avoid using zinc whenever possible- it may be more rigid than lead, but it ain't necessarily better! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 21:04:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re:tack solder as you go? Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:11:08 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug5.3118.0> Precedence: bulk Do not tack solder as you go on a leaded panel. Why would you do that anyway??? The nails hold everything in place. The lead lines need to be a little giving for the whole piece to come together. If a straight lead line is cut by a perpendicular line then the two starights(independently ) have to be able to be straightened when it is all leaded. I have never seen anyone tack solder a leaded panel as they build. The only tack soldering I do is, tacking the straight lines after the piece is done, to make sure that they will stay lined up when all of them are soldered. I am very curious about this now. ...more replies on this........... Scott *sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 22:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Klmxklm@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug4.20143.0> References: <<1998Aug4.222513.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Use fine (400-600 grit) sandpaper on the zinc (or brass) came first, right before soldering, then clean with industrial Acetone (not nail polish remover)right ahead of the soldering iron. Also what Mike said about the 'heat sink' is true for the larger 1/2" zinc. Need a higher or hotter iron. Just enough flux to make solder 'run' good. Klmxklm@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bungians: > When soldering the edges of foiled panels (windows) to 1/4" zinc came borders, > I often end up with a very rough surface where the solder joins the zinc. It > just doesn't want to adhere well or if it does, the solder surface is like it > contains very fine grains of sand. I have cleaned the came thoroughly, > thinking there might be oily material on it, but it's not much better. Any > ideas? Thanks. > "Mike" Mikolajczak > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 22:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, fibers@wcnet.net Subject: solder as you go Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:08:24, -0500 Message-ID: <199808050408.AAA14878@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Is there a good reason not to tack solder a leaded panel.? I'm about half way through a 200 piece project and would like to tack a few of the first pieces put in place. Nelda<< If you want to tack your leaded panel go right ahead. I would recommend that you use a small amount of flux that is not likely to run through through to the other side of the joint and complete each joint that you choose to solder. Also wipe up any excess flux after soldering. Excess flux seeping through will increase your need to wire brush the other side of a joint, delayed completion of a joint increases the cleanup for resoldering and flux left on for different amounts of time will make it harder to brush up a nice uniform patina in the final cleanup. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Thanks, America.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 4 23:23:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, wmunro@mars.ark.com Subject: Ringstar pliers Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:56:13, -0500 Message-ID: <199808050456.AAA07510@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Howdy gang....Does anyone know where I can get replacement pads for these pliers. They are great and the pads will come out east, but have never seen them in catalogs. I have used them so much, they are starting to 'wear out'. Thanks....Wayne<< I know that replacement pads are sold for the Ringstar running pliar by Mad Dog Stained Glass in Van Nuys, CA. They are wholesale only. Whoever sold you the Ringstar in the first place would be the one to contact if you must go retail. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Thanks, America.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 01:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, seaspray@mail.island.net Subject: Re: Cutting Spectrum Baroque Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:27:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199808050727.DAA16128@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>>>>3. Realize that some baroque color combinations are not truly >compatible for COE and may provide less cutting success. Reducing the >size of the piece with simple cuts before making final cuts may help, Bob...I'm wondering which ones you find more difficult. I've used 3 or 4 and have only had problems with my favorite...the cinnamon baroque. It would be useful information if you could share which you've found to be most difficult. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative Carol Swann<< Funny you should ask. Yesterday I went to the Spectrum site and they have a discussion on the slight incompatibility that SOME of their baroque glasses may have. None were defined by color combinations. I would guess that any of their two colors on clear would be the most like to have a minor problem. I can name no baroque that has very poor cutting success. I have not found incompatibility with the spectrometer test. In the past three months I have reduced sixteen 4' X 8' sheets of cinnamon baroque to several hundred circles from 6 to 8"s in diameter. Perhaps only about eight were bad breaks with about half of these being due to carelessness. On a padded turntable, I used a circle cutter on the smooth side, ran the score all around by hand pressure and made a couple of relief cuts to get the circle out clean. The glass was first strip cut about one inch wider than the circles to be cut. I would rate the cinnamon baroque I received as requiring care but still excellent in cutability. I believe all my sheets came from the same lot. Your sheets likely were from a different lot. The above job was done for a business that has a contract to install the circles in fancy ironwork for a new golf course in Las Vegas, NV. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Thanks, America.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 02:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Once upon a time ............ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:06:28 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.0628.0> Precedence: bulk Albert Been hanging on to this group quite some time now. And I began to wonder. Joined the IGGA and the first issue satisfied the curiosity of how it had all began. But the origin and birth of Bungi is still very much in the dark. How did it all begin? Its infancy? Could you (or anyone else) shed light on this matter? I am curious, and guess there may many who would be too. Regards. Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 03:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: Klmxklm@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-Glass, sort of Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:56:38 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.205638.0> References: <<1998Aug4.223317.0>> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Gidday Y'all - yep, Mike, I've got one. It's brilliant. Part of a suite of screen savers called 'After Dark' it's called 'Stained Glass' and you have the option to set a couple of different parameters on it, it's superbly symmetrical and you can stare mesmerised at it for simply hours..... it has a built in randomiser, so I'm told, so you don't get exact repeats, but there are 'types' of patterns that repeat. I've been in love with it ever since 1990, when it got me out of a deeep, S.A.D.-type depression with complications. Yep, it gives you plenty of scope for creative ideas. Promise. The details of the screen saver: Stained Glass by Jean Tantra and Wes Boyd (C) Berkeley Systems Inc Good luck with finding something that suits you! Catcha Melanie Dunstan in Perth, Western Australia ------ Klmxklm@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone here know if there are any nice screensavers available that > incorporate, preferably, a stained glass motif or secondly, a kaleidoscopic > effect? I think it would be quite neat, but in somewhat limited searching I > have not turned up anything. Would appreciate any input. Thanks. > "Mike" Mikolajczak > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 05:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kcotcher From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: fusing jewelry Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:48:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug5.114856.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, i am working on a project and needed a little help if any here have done work similiar. i am going to be fusing some cross necklaces and need to know what kind and gauge of wire is best to use in fusing. copper, sterling? does it discolor after fusing? will it discolor my glass? i need to make loops or hooks at the tops for hanging on cords and would like to get it right the first time, if poosible. drinking ice tea in texas :) kim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 06:03:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: allcrafts@p085.aone.net.au, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: stained glass screensavers Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:01:05 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug5.1215.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/5/98 5:05:10 AM Central Daylight Time, allcrafts@p085.aone.net.au writes: << . Part of a suite of screen savers called 'After Dark' it's called 'Stained Glass' and you have the option to set a couple of different parameters on it, i >> I went to a web site "After Dark" and it said it was no longer in existance. I would appreciate more information/details if anyone has it. Thanks! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 06:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glassmstr From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cutters mate Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:13:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug5.121346.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians Have a question concerning the cutters mate. Does anyone have an opinion as to the usefullness versus cost. I have several friends with mobility problems due to arthiritus (sp) & have seen the cutter in a catalog. I'ts pricey so hesitate to get as an unknown. What say you?? Thanks Nan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 07:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp19.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Testing. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <199808042044.QAA00338@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk <<< No Message Collected >>> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 08:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: "Steve Matthies" To: Klmxklm@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non-Glass, sort of Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Yes there is. On one of my old machines I have loaded a program called = After Dark Screensaver, stained glass is one, the sizes and complexity are = adjustable. The kaleidoscope is there too. Make sure you buy the right = format...dos or windows. This is a neat program with many screens = available to pick from. >>> 08/04 3:33 PM >>> Does anyone here know if there are any nice screensavers available that incorporate, preferably, a stained glass motif or secondly, a kaleidoscopic= effect? I think it would be quite neat, but in somewhat limited searching = I have not turned up anything. Would appreciate any input. Thanks. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com=20 To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com=20 Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 08:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sand Carving/Etching Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <19980805142101.VPGJ1092@vic> Precedence: bulk Lurker needs advice. I am a short time stained glass hobbiest that has put together a full glass studio in my basement, including kilns and most recently blasting cabinets and tank. I have purchased and have watched Norm Dobbins four videos on etching, carving, shading & designing to get started. My question is, Can safety/tempered glass be deep carved? If so, are there any special requirements or procedures that need to be followed? If not, how and what do you use where carving is needed but zoning requires safety glass? Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 09:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Stained Glass Screen Savers Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:35:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.1350.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, If this site doesn't have one then I think they will be able to point you in the right direction. This site has screen savers, desk top themes and cursors. http://www.freethemes.com/whatsnew.htm This is a listing of people in a theme web ring, alot of them do screen savers here too. http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=plusthemes;list There are also programs which you can download to make your own screen savers I believe. So if you have some stained glass pictures then you could use your own for a screen saver. See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 10:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Vic LaGreca" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sand Carving/Etching Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.8853.0> Precedence: bulk Safety glass can be deep-carved, just make sure you don't carve down to the membrane because is will = leave a really ugly spot. Tempered glass should not be blasted - do = your sand carving first, THEN have the glass tempered. (The glass company may not want to take the risk of doing this on a finished piece of art glass.) Hope that helps! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 10:30:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:tack solder as you go? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.896.0> Precedence: bulk Well said, Scott, and it bears repeating: "Do Not tack solder a leaded window as you build"! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 10:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: Kcotcher@aol.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: fusing jewelry Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug5.81816.0> Precedence: bulk Kim wrote: >i am working on a project and needed a little >help if any here have done work similiar. i am >going to be fusing some cross necklaces and >need to know what kind and gauge of wire is >best to use in fusing. copper, sterling? does it >discolor after fusing? will it discolor my glass? i >need to make loops or hooks at the tops for >hanging on cords and would like to get it right >the first time, if poosible. Copper wire works, and, although it will discolor during the fusing process it can be easily shined up again with a little steel wool. The other alternative would be Fine Silver (.999). This should not oxidize in fusing. I would suggest about 20 ga. wire for your application. Hope this is helpful. Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 11:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Co-op advice please Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:53:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.25337.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Hope I find everyone in good health and good spirits today. Now I'm running the risk of tweaking the nerves of retail supply store owners with this question but here goes! An associate and I are interested in creating a co-op for Oregon and Washington stained glassers. The co-op would not be a store front business. It would be run from our homes, so the members would not have to work at the co-op. The idea is to buy stained glass supplies in bulk at wholesale prices and distribute these products to the individuals of the co-op. Say I bought 3 sheets of spectrum blah and Joe wanted a 1/2 sheet of the same. I would cut the 1/2 sheet for Joe, he would pick it up from me at the lower price. There would be no profit in this for me or my associate. We would take into consideration shipping charges (if any) taxes and expenses. Or another way we could go is a trade/buy list: As an example: My sister-in-law owns a soap business. She is on what they call a soap list. On this list are people who have excess products such as 200 soap dishes. They either trade or buy with the other people on the list whose product they need at the time. Each individual is responsible for shipping and so forth. Now there are two different examples above in regard's to group cost saving. I would appreciate thoughts, analysis and observations from you on this please. Keep in mind, I am a retailer too, I can see both points of view here. The main goal is to cut costs for members of the group. Thanks, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 11:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: red pen Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:30:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.93055.0> References: <<1998Aug4.19432.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk The EZ Trace White pens are nice, too. They don't leak, and you can draw a nice consistent line, albeit, a little thicker than the fine points. You just have to get the hang of squeezing and pressing at the same time. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 12:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: quickie/coop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.52548.0> Precedence: bulk Not all buyers are created equal! A million years or so when I first started, I asked a few other local "glassers" about splitting a solder order...300 pounds would have been shipped for free. Great idea, I was told and one person would even take 3# at my cost! WOW, I only had 297# left. Logistics of handling, paper work, inventory, freight and communication will probably cost more than what you can save by volume buying! Who will store it, run to ship it, or hang around for a pickup, collect money and of course the dreaded tax person. I have nothing against a LARGE purchase to be divided, but it needs to be a staple......20 or cases of came, 100's# solder (choice of 3 or 4 kinds and HOW many brands)....NOT any easy chore! more if the posts warrant it...enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 14:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass Promotion Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.122513.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All- Today my architect neighbor stopped by with a copy of a publication entitled "Traditional Building" - July/August 1998 edition. In that issue was a special = report on art glass windows in which the editors contacted 303 companies providing various kinds of art glass (including stained glass overlay - yeccchh!) and chose 68 firms for their SourceList (including two overlay firms - gaaaagg!!) Some well-known standards were on the list including Cummings Studios, but also some un-heard-ofs and even the relative newcomer, Robert Oddy. Two questions: How did the editors know who to contact? and did they use IGGA (International Guild of Glass Artists of = which many of us are members) as a = resource for information? These = questions were prompted by my architect friends question, "Howcum you're not on this list ?" = Any responses? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 14:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutters mate Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.122916.0> References: <<1998Aug5.121346.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm not sure what you mean by a cutter's mate. I did recently talk to someone who does have problems with her hands and can't stand for long periods of time. She uses the Score 1 Glass cutting Tool and swears by it. She says she never has trouble scoring accurately and perfectly. (You can probably find a picture in a catalog). I can see that pice size will be limited by the throat of the cutter and I don't know how well it would cut with some of the more irregular glasses (she seemed to be using a lot of Spectrum type glasses.) Dorothy K Glassmstr@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bungians > Have a question concerning the cutters mate. Does anyone have an opinion as to > the usefullness versus cost. I have several friends with mobility problems due > to arthiritus (sp) & have seen the cutter in a catalog. I'ts pricey so > hesitate to get as an unknown. What say you?? > Thanks > Nan > ---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 15:14:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, weaver51@teleport.com Subject: quickie/coop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:00:47, -0500 Message-ID: <199808052100.RAA18154@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>A million years or so when I first started, I asked a few other local "glassers" about splitting a solder order...300 pounds would have been shipped for free. Great idea, I was told and one person would even take 3# at my cost! WOW, I only had 297# left. Logistics of handling, paper work, inventory, freight and communication will probably cost more than what you can save by volume buying! Who will store it, run to ship it, or hang around for a pickup, collect money and of course the dreaded tax person.<< > Snip<< Good subject Howard. Few have been the times that I have been able to the volume buy and divide thing. The practical answer seems to volume buy for myself and sell at retail small quantities. Of course I do offer small volume discounts such as six for the price of five. Beyond this it can cost me money to make someone else happy. Sometimes when, say, a customer wants three rolls of solder I suggest they buy five and get one free. It is not unusual for these people to turn my offer off cold. I wonder if these same people buy their toilet paper one or two rolls at a time! Or perhaps they skipped math and economics in school. I offer 20% off on the purchase of a full manufactures sheet of glass of, say, six square feet. Someone comes in and wants four square feet of common gluechip and I suggest they take the full sheet at 20% off. Only about half are takers. Many can not or will not do the math and find out how little that extra glass costs. I know you are fully aware of the above but many others are not. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Thanks, America.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 16:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Astarzia From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: more newbie questions.... Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:39:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug5.223910.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Again.... I have a couple more questions for the group since I have received such marvelous responses to my previous questions. (You guys are great!) First, after cutting the pieces that I need for my projects, I am left with a lot of "scrap" glass. How much of the scrap glass should I save? Is there a certain size that is recommended for keeping for other projects? I've never done any mosaics, but it seems as though the pieces for the mosaics are rather small so I've been keeping almost every little piece of glass that I have left over.....should I? Second, how do you store the scrap glass pieces? Thanks in advance! *Astarzia* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 16:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.14454.0> Precedence: bulk Hey there folks. I ran into a problem yesterday. I inherited a bottle of Canfield Solder-Mate Soleic (Oleic Acid) when I purchased a bunch of supplies/stained glass from an older lady. This stuff was her departed husband's hobby stuff, so she couldn't tell me how old it was. Anyway, I ran out of my usual Fluxomatic stuff and tried this Soleic Acid as flux. Yuck! The smell (reminds me of burnt butter) is not great, but that's not my complaint. 1) It leaves my soldering iron full of black junk which is very difficult to clean off. 2) It is near impossible to fully clean off after soldering. I had to double scrub it with a green scrubby pad and Joy dish- washing liquid, then another green scrubby pad with Emoliant. It was terrible. The black patina didn't want to stick. I had to scrub various parts of the solder lines yet a 3rd time before I could get a decent patina. Anyone out there have similar experiences? Is there a better way to clean up this mess? Should I just throw away the bottle of stuff? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 16:52:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Co-op advice please Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:05:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.15537.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan >I would appreciate thoughts, analysis and observations from you on this please.< Just my $.02 worth, but most wholesale stained glass companies here in the East will not accept you as a wholesale account unless you have a store front, a Yellow Pages ad, a sales tax ID, etc. So unless your Co-Op is willing to do all that, you probably could not do as you suggest. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 17:17:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.net!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Digest ??? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Michael Minchelli here. I hope that this message finds you all well! I think that I stepped into this "digest" discussion with out realizing it. I honestly don't know what you folks are talking about. My problem with the downloading of email has been resolved by my internet provider, it was something that, according to them, software would not have been able to help. Sparks, I believe that I do understand what you are saying in that your request really won't affect those who don't want to participate, so if this will benefit you and it will not take much effort on someone else's part then it's okay with me. Of course if it does take effort maybe you could offer to help in some way. I would like to ask you computer geniuses another question though. When Sparks wrote the email it was a response to anothers mail. He took a portion , just a portion, of that other email and started his/her (don't mean to assume your sex) note with it. How??? In response you could email me directly at lsg.jerseycape.com or through the list if you feel this information would benefit the group. Thank You all very much and have a great day!!! Michael from LSG. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 17:26:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: more about more Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:19:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.91930.0> Precedence: bulk It is to whose advantage to buy in large quantities? Not for me if I have to break it down, offer it "cheap" and be responsible as well. I too, offer "incentives"....broad rule, people will spend a LOT to get something for "free". I offer a discount for factory sheets (or half sheets) if I do NO cutting. Want to coop......how about grinders, only about 10 choices........from 2 companies...what would you order in volume, low end, high end, or mid-range and which brand?If you have 6 on the shelf and run out of one specific priced one can you get another one at the same large purchase price?...IMHO, if you are wholesaler (or hooked up to one) why cut into your business and sell for less.Will the volume make up for the time? just thoughts and rambles. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 17:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: " BOB DUCHESNEAU" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: quickie/coop/human nature Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.92957.0> Precedence: bulk Most people have no concept of volume and or discounts.......just look at soda pop packing...usually 12 packs are on sale cheaper than 6 packs and yet a LOT of 6 packs go to the checkouts....It has a long shelf life so spoilage on the other 6 is not a problem. another cute one is 10cents each or 8 for a dollar.............8 sound better. I do the math when I shop, sometimes 2 smaller ones are cheaper than an economy size....we are sheep, being lead by the "corporate brains"........Alleve is a good example the 200 are more per pill than the 150 packing. (if I remember right) My wife uses a Diet mix drink supplement and the large one is more per # than the smaller ones and the cans for the smaller ones are bigger than the larger volume one,,,,we (consumers) are TARGETS....would you buy a "used" lamp from this guy . I prefer bakers dozen when selling (only a 8.5% discount) one free with 10 is a 10% discount and 1 on 12 seems better or is more recognized. inside secrets........ as an aside, any backgammon players out there? weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 18:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Astarzia@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more newbie questions.... Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:39:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.153941.0> References: <<1998Aug5.223910.0>> Precedence: bulk Astarzia@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Again.... > > I have a couple more questions for the group since I have > received such marvelous responses to my previous questions. > (You guys are great!) > > First, after cutting the pieces that I need for my projects, I am > left with a lot of "scrap" glass. How much of the scrap glass > should I save? Is there a certain size that is recommended for > keeping for other projects? I've never done any mosaics, but it > seems as though the pieces for the mosaics are rather small so > I've been keeping almost every little piece of glass that I have > left over.....should I? > > Second, how do you store the scrap glass pieces? > > Thanks in advance! > > *Astarzia* > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it depends how large the scrap is, and what you make. and of course how much space you have to save it. i used to save very little pieces of glass, but ran out of space. generally i throw out pieces that are less then a inch large. my shop page explains i store my glass. smaller pieces are usually put in plastic boxes, (people sometimes put shoes in that kind of box). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 18:16:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Promotion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199808060212.WAA15181@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > report on art glass windows in which > the editors contacted 303 companies Yes, I have a copy of it here. I don't know what list they used, although they've been publishing that special issue for several years, I think. Other issues focus on other building specialties. They didn't use the IGGA list. Nope. Although the list of members is online, that's too recent an addition to the site for it to have been useful to them. There are a number of mailing list houses that have lists of studios, though. Maybe that or maybe the Stained Glass Assocation of America? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 18:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.155856.0> References: <<1998Aug5.14454.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > > Hey there folks. I ran into a problem yesterday. I inherited > a bottle of Canfield Solder-Mate Soleic (Oleic Acid) when I > purchased a bunch of supplies/stained glass from an older > lady. This stuff was her departed husband's hobby stuff, so > she couldn't tell me how old it was. > > Anyway, I ran out of my usual Fluxomatic stuff and tried this > Soleic Acid as flux. Yuck! The smell (reminds me of > burnt butter) is not great, but that's not my complaint. > > 1) It leaves my soldering iron full of black junk which is very > difficult to clean off. > 2) It is near impossible to fully clean off after soldering. I had > to double scrub it with a green scrubby pad and Joy dish- > washing liquid, then another green scrubby pad with Emoliant. > > It was terrible. The black patina didn't want to stick. I had to > scrub various parts of the solder lines yet a 3rd time before I > could get a decent patina. > > Anyone out there have similar experiences? Is there a better > way to clean up this mess? Should I just throw away the bottle > of stuff? > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that stuff is'nt used much anymore. you can clean the tip with a tinning block. and the gunk should come off with denatured alchohol, or laquer thinner. i think it used to be for lead pieces, but i'm not sure. i have some of my own, but never used it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 18:45:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass Promotion Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199808060023.UAA00154@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, The reason you are not on this list is.....you didn't pay to advertise in the publication. We have run ads with them numerous times. And we didn't get listed. Never got any business from it either. So go figure. my best, pj >Hi All- > >Today my architect neighbor stopped >by with a copy of a publication entitled >"Traditional Building" - July/August 1998 >edition. In that issue was a special = > >report on art glass windows in which >the editors contacted 303 companies >providing various kinds of art glass >(including stained glass overlay - yeccchh!) >and chose 68 firms for their SourceList >(including two overlay firms - gaaaagg!!) >Some well-known standards were on >the list including Cummings Studios, >but also some un-heard-ofs and even >the relative newcomer, Robert Oddy. > >Two questions: How did the editors know >who to contact? and did they use IGGA >(International Guild of Glass Artists of = > >which many of us are members) as a = > >resource for information? These = > >questions were prompted by my architect >friends question, "Howcum you're not on >this list ?" = > > >Any responses? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 18:57:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: Astarzia@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: more newbie questions.... Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:40:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.04033.0> Precedence: bulk I think probably most everyone tried to keep all scrap glass, but you will find that it will take over your work space. If you are going to do mosaics you might want to keep quarter size pieces. You can store these in empty peanut butter jars or get a clear plastic shoe box and put the pieces in there. Eventually you will need to separate into colors. As time goes on you will find that you will probably use certain colors alot, which means there will always be ample supply of those colors so don't save anything smaller than fifty cent piece size.....IF you are going to do mosaic/stepping stones. Certain colors and types of glass are more expensive so you might keep more scrap of those. No matter how small a piece of dichroic is don't throw it away......very expensive glass and little pieces are great for eyes, kaleidescopes, etc.... As time goes on you will figure out what is beneficial for you to keep and the size. As far as storing larger pieces of glass you can buy Morton Glass Caddys or go to an office supply place and get metal or plastic file holders with several slots. Hope some of this was helpful. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 19:19:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: lsg@jerseycape.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Digest ??? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:19:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.11911.0> Precedence: bulk Copy and paste feature copy = CTRL C Paste = CTRL V make sure you hightlight first.... >^..^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 19:28:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:24:57 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.12457.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/5/98 11:53:16 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: > [...] I ran out of my usual Fluxomatic stuff and tried this >Soleic Acid as flux. Yuck! [...] > >1) It leaves my soldering iron full of black junk which is very >difficult to clean off. [...] I'm not surprised at either the smell or the yucky residue. Oleic acid is a nasty artery-clogging saturated fatty acid found in lots of animal fats (including butter, I'd guess). It's a long-chain hydrocarbon, C(17) H(33)COOH (the COOH stuck on one end makes it a fatty acid). When you hit that with a hot soldering iron, exactly the same thing happens as when you forget to turn off the burner under your skillet after you fry up your eggs - you get a dark brown to black gummy coating that doesn't want to come off with anything less than oven cleaner! I'm certainly not recommending oven cleaner to get the crud off, although if this happened to an ancient on-its-last-legs iron that didn't owe me anything, I might be tempted. The only advantage I could see to using oleic acid as flux is that it's biodegradable. I've seen a couple of British SG how-to books that refer to oleic acid flux. Maybe our friends across the pond could enlighten us further. > Should I just throw away the bottle of stuff? Sounds like a plan - beats the hell out of buying stock in ScotchBrite(R)! p.s. Now don't tell me you're going to make me scrub it off when I come to work tomorrow, huh boss?! Dr. Sparks, Witch Doctor and Former Chemist ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 20:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: fusing jewelry Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.1632.0> References: <<1998Aug5.81816.0>> Precedence: bulk Not to be disagreeable, but I tried using copper wire once, and not only did it discolor (the glass I was fusing was clear, so the wire was a lovely green down in the glass), but it turned very brittle and on two of the four pieces I did, the copper wire broke after very slight handling. Since then, I've only used nichrome, but I haven't done jewelry, so I don't know anything about using silver. I'd like to hear anyone else's comments. Jerri >Copper wire works, and, although it will discolor during the fusing >process it can be easily shined up again with a little steel wool. >The >other alternative would be Fine Silver (.999). This should not >oxidize >in fusing. I would suggest about 20 ga. wire for your application. > >Hope this is helpful. > >Joan _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 20:30:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Is no one sending anything???? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.16651.0> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk Hello???? is anyone sending anything??? My email is working ok again but I am getting nothing. Please note my new email address.... dfdavis@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu -- Don Davis Jr. WB9HZX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 5 22:32:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Glass Promotion Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:14:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug5.201421.0> References: <<1998Aug5.122513.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani, Seems that what they do is include studios that they locate by means unknown, then solicit them to sell advertising in the magazine. If you don't bite after a time or two they drop you from the list. We never took the ad and never got any calls from the free listing while it was there either. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:25:13 -0400 "Michael J. Greer" writes: >Hi All- > >Today my architect neighbor stopped >by with a copy of a publication entitled >"Traditional Building" - July/August 1998 >edition. In that issue was a special = > >report on art glass windows in which >the editors contacted 303 companies >providing various kinds of art glass >(including stained glass overlay - yeccchh!) >and chose 68 firms for their SourceList >(including two overlay firms - gaaaagg!!) >Some well-known standards were on >the list including Cummings Studios, >but also some un-heard-ofs and even >the relative newcomer, Robert Oddy. > >Two questions: How did the editors know >who to contact? and did they use IGGA >(International Guild of Glass Artists of = > >which many of us are members) as a = > >resource for information? These = > >questions were prompted by my architect >friends question, "Howcum you're not on >this list ?" = > > >Any responses? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 05:21:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:35:29 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.113529.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Witchdoctor: Oleic acid is not a hydrocarbon, nor a saturated fatty acid. It is as you say, a fatty acid, but it is monounsaturated -- meaning that it contains one double bond. True, it is found in animal fat, and almost all other natural fats, but it is also a primary constituent of our old friend, olive oil. The merits of ingesting this or not are constantly and still open to discussion. However, I would not use it as a fluxing agent, expecially when we have others that are more efficient, considerably less smelly and cleaner, in general, to work with. They are certainly easier to clean up after. "Mike" Mikolajczak (Retired former chemist) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 05:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:53:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.11539.0> Precedence: bulk "Mike" Mikolajczak (Retired former chemist) sets the record straight: >Oleic acid is not a hydrocarbon Sorry, didn't mean to say it was (she said sheepishly, going back and reading her other posting). I meant to say that most of the structure of it consists of a long hydrocarbon chain (which most non-chemists can get a mental picture of and therefore relate to) with a COOH at the end. > nor a saturated fatty acid. It is as you say, > a fatty acid, but it is monounsaturated [...] it is also a primary > constituent of our old friend, olive oil. Oops, you're right, I stand corrected. Just shows to go ya, I shouldn't try to answer technical questions when I'm brain-fried from spending 2 days acquiring and assembling computer systems. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Sparks (now typing away happily on a brand-new *LOADED* 266mhz PowerMac G3 - That 21" color screen looks good enough to eat - YUM!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 06:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Once upon a time ............ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:07:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.13733.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/5/98 4:14:35 AM US Eastern Standard Time, shakeel@tm.net.my writes: << But the origin and birth of Bungi is still very much in the dark. How did it all begin? Its infancy? >> Shakeel, You posted the above request to Albert. This should be posted to the Rands, the originators and owners of the bungi line. Don't know why everyone keeps thinking Albert is in charge around here. Why not address your post to Glenna Rand directly via the regular bungi address? I wouldn't mind knowing a little more background info also. Lenore Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 07:20:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:15:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glassmstr From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cuttersmate Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:14:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.131410.0> Precedence: bulk Help I have a catalog with an item (cutters mate) that I would like to know if any of you have experience with. It is an extendable,16" cutting arm with a weighted cutting wheel. According to the information, you can cut & break with almost no effort. If anyone has ever seen or used, Please let me know if & how it works. Thanks Nan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 07:27:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: cutter's mate Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:34:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.133452.0> Precedence: bulk I'm not sure what a cutters mate is, either, however, I have arthritis in both hands and I find I am able to cut for long periods with the pistol grip cutter. The key is to listen to my body and take a break occasionally. Of course, it took me quite a few years of living to learn how to listen to my body. . . . . . . . good luck. Kathi P. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 08:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more newbie questions.... Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:08:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.6855.0> References: <<1998Aug6.04033.0>> Precedence: bulk WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > > I think probably most everyone tried to keep all scrap glass, but you will > find that it will take over your work space. If you are going to do mosaics > you might want to keep quarter size pieces. You can store these in empty > peanut butter jars or get a clear plastic shoe box and put the pieces in > there. Eventually you will need to separate into colors. As time goes on you > will find that you will probably use certain colors alot, which means there > will always be ample supply of those colors so don't save anything smaller > than fifty cent piece size.....IF you are going to do mosaic/stepping stones. > Certain colors and types of glass are more expensive so you might keep more > scrap of those. No matter how small a piece of dichroic is don't throw it > away......very expensive glass and little pieces are great for eyes, > kaleidescopes, etc.... As time goes on you will figure out what is beneficial > for you to keep and the size. > > As far as storing larger pieces of glass you can buy Morton Glass Caddys or go > to an office supply place and get metal or plastic file holders with several > slots. > > Hope some of this was helpful. > > Lu Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i personally also keep all sizes of art glass, especially fusing compatible. if anything some of the glasses are compatible with itself. you can make dragonflies, etc. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 08:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: more newbie questions.... Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:30:10 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Astarzia-- I may not be typical, but I don't throw out anything larger than half an inch square! Larger scraps I sort into color groups (blues, reds, greens, etc) and store on some old shelving in my basement "glass corner," but I've heard others use shoe boxes, old record racks, etc. I make a lot of what I call my "scrap circles" for gifts. These are roughly dinner-plate size round panels (oversize sun-catchers?). They can be simple scenes, geometrics (inspired by quilt patterns), florals, etc. They use up lots of odds and ends and people seem to like receiving them. Smaller pieces are cut into squares or triangles for mosaics and sorted by color into one of those divided plastic boxes (at hardware and craft stores). I recently made a stepping stone that looks like a cross-section of a watermelon. The "rind" I cut in alternating pieces of light and dark green (with a narrow band of white inside) the center of the watermelon was a mosaic of small red squares with the occasional black seed. I think it's kinda cute. Scraps too tiny for mosaics I put into a small box on my workbench. When it's full I label it "glass" and put it out with my regular trash. Hope this helps-- Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 08:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:16:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: Glassmstr@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cuttersmate Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:08:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.15853.0> Precedence: bulk The only experience I've had with the Cutter's Mate was at my local SG store. They have one set up for people to try and I was interested since I have a spine disorder that makes it difficult for me to stand for long periods or to exert much pressure on the glass cutter. So I tried it and it was amazing. It cut the glass very easily. And the weighted cutter required no pressure downward at all. You just have to guide it where you want to cut. I decided against it for right now, solely because of the price. But I also recognize that I frequently have to stop working because of pain in my back as I'm standing to cut so one of these days, I may just decide to pick one up. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 09:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Once upon a time ............ Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:59:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199808061644.MAA19432@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Don't know why everyone keeps > thinking Albert is in charge around here. Me, neither, although I often point out that I'm hardly in charge even at home, where the roost seems to be ruled by the resident 16-year-old. Or so he thinks! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 10:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.81347.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie- It smells bad because it's old. The residue is always a problem with oleic acid - Michael says they used Tide laundry detergent and scrub brushes in the old days to = clean the stuff up. I vote for "throw it away"! = Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 13:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Soleic/Oleic Acid problem Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.112625.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Chemists, Well, that's darn-near interesting! ;-) The things we learn on bungi! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 15:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Once upon a time Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.13931.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Ya'll just burst my bubble, I thought Albert was in charge. C T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 15:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: Glassmstr@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cuttersmate Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:00:04 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug6.2204.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/6/98 9:20:55 AM Central Daylight Time, Glassmstr@aol.com writes: Actually it is a wonderful, but expensive "gizmo" and there are two sizes. The glass shop near my home has one on display and the customers are welcome to try it out. Of course I did (G). It cut the glass like butter. Without using any pressure on the instrument you glide it where you want to score. VOILA! Glass is scored and breaks perfectly. I will admit I used only scrap Spectrum, Wissmach, Armstrong, and Kokomo to try it out with. I was able to score rather significant curves and broke without any problems. How well will it work on small pieces? I'm not sure. Would I buy it? It will be in the top ten list of things to buy when I hit the lottery. I consider it a luxury. I certainly didn't test it to really challenge its abilities/capabilities. Lu Ann << Help I have a catalog with an item (cutters mate) that I would like to know if any of you have experience with. It is an extendable,16" cutting arm with a weighted cutting wheel. According to the information, you can cut & break with almost no effort. If anyone has ever seen or used, Please let me know if & how it works. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 20:17:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:33:37 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug7.23337.0> Precedence: bulk I use a dremel tool to cut my zinc border. I also use the dremel to "rough up" the zinc in the spots I will need to solder to a copperfoil seam. This works great. I get a nice bond using this method. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 6 20:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cuttersmate Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:44:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug7.24410.0> Precedence: bulk Gee, I've never heard of this thing. How much is it going for? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 02:03:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, shakeel@tm.net.my Subject: Glass Beveling by Vincent L. Fox Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 04:30:14, -0500 Message-ID: <199808070830.EAA19134@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>The book has opened up so many ideas and views, its effects, I am sure, will last me for decades. There was no e-mail address in the book or I would have sent Mr Fox a note. Is he on the Net?, If not I will send by snail mail.<< I have never encountered Mr. Fox on the Net. If he is still with us he would be close to 75 years old. Not likely that he would still be beveling. >>In the chapter on Pattern Cutting, he writes about the article by T. A. Insolio called "The Cutting of Glass". Have you read it? I checked the Fletcher-Terry site but could't finf it Have sent them a e--mail and am waiting fora reply.<< I have tried to get a copy of "The Cutting of Glass* which I believe I read years ago. Think it names the inventor of the wheeled cutter- a Black American. Good luck on getting Fletcher-Terry to cough up a copy. One would think that it would be on their Web site. The most amazing thing, to me, in *Glass beveling* is the discussion on page 80 in regard to final polishing with cerium-oxide. That it is a micro-grinding process is fairly well known. That it is also a hydrolytic-chemical process is far less well known. This would seem to account for the desirability of generating a bit of heat when final polishing. Sure makes a difference- just do not generate so much heat that the almost done bevel develops a crack. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 03:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: First Big Fair Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:32:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug6.193215.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, This weekend will be my first big fair in almost twenty years. I have been doing glass off and on as a hobby up until this last year. I have things in a few stores and finally decided to try my hand in arts and craft fair. Bothell Arts and Crafts Fair in Bothell Washington Any words of wisdom before I depart. I am a little nervous. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 03:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Beveling by Vincent L. Fox Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199808071139.HAA11105@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I have never encountered Mr. Fox on the Net. If he is still with us > he would be close to 75 years old. Not likely that he would still be > beveling. Vincent died several years ago. 10? 15? He left behind two daughters, I think it is, who were running the studio last I knew. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 05:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 04:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: CWWSLW@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cuttersmate Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:40:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug7.114039.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/6/98 10:50:35 PM Central Daylight Time, CWWSLW@aol.com writes: << Gee, I've never heard of this thing. How much is it going for? >> If I remember correctly the Cutter's Mate is in the $300's. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 06:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Beveling by Vincent L. Fox Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199808071436.KAA15570@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I tend to believe Vincent Fox is still alive and very well ... I talked to him > about a year and a half ago on the phone Oh! Really? It could be that I confused "retirement" with something else. If he's still with us, great. My biff. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 07:43:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: First Big Fair Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.55730.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Cheryl Parrott" >Any words of wisdom before I depart. I am a little nervous.< Sit down & make a list of all the items you need to take/have at the show. Then go through the list as you pack, checking off items as they get placed into the car/truck/van. Don't forget items such as extra business cards, pens, sales receipt blanks, sunscreen, pliers, scizzors, etc. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 08:14:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:36:45 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug7.143645.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-06 23:19:08 EDT, you write: > I use a dremel tool to cut my zinc border. I also use the dremel to "rough > up" > the zinc in the spots I will need to solder to a copperfoil seam. This works > great. I get a nice bond using this method. > > Susan Just curious, everyone keeps saying they use their dremel which is ok to start with but more importantly is what tips do you use for each application. I have the cut-off wheel #409 and used it for the first time (cutting lead to redo a panel) the other day.... must say you better wear goggles and long pants as the wheels break easily and fly at great speeds in all directions when they do. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 09:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: First Big Fair Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug7.71559.0> Precedence: bulk Christie wrote: >Don't forget items such as extra business cards, >pens, sales receipt blanks, sunscreen, pliers, >scizzors, etc. ... and duct tape!!!!! Once you're set up, relax, enjoy people watching, and talk to folks when they come into your booth. Tell them about your work, stories about what inspired you... anything to make it personal! I often ask people to show me purchases they've made elsewhere in the show... if they are visible. Good luck! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 09:46:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: DMR74@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:34:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.73449.0> References: <<1998Aug7.143645.0>> Precedence: bulk DMR74@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-08-06 23:19:08 EDT, you write: > > > I use a dremel tool to cut my zinc border. I also use the dremel to "rough > > up" > > the zinc in the spots I will need to solder to a copperfoil seam. This > works > > great. I get a nice bond using this method. > > > > Susan > Just curious, everyone keeps saying they use their dremel which is ok to start > with but more importantly is what tips do you use for each application. I > have the cut-off wheel #409 and used it for the first time (cutting lead to > redo a panel) the other day.... must say you better wear goggles and long > pants as the wheels break easily and fly at great speeds in all directions > when they do. > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the best blade is the fiberglass inlaced blade. they are more expensive and it only has 5 blades in it. they last a pretty long time. and they don't explode like the other ones do. basically the other's don't bend, you have to be perfectly straight. which is hard to do with a dremel, because the body of the machine get's in the path of what your cutter, causing an angle... the other blade which is a little cheap (plus you get 20 pcs), is the thick cut off wheel. they don't shatter as easily. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 10:52:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:First Big Fair & wood question Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:22:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.2221.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi all, howdy Cheryl, Words of wisdom, for Cheryl, a woman who creates beautiful artwork, is knowledgeable and allows her personality to shine through. Humm, I would bring your smile and a celebratory bottle of wine to share with Doug after the event is over. You will be a smash! Good luck and my best wishes!! Have a great weekend everyone, I am hoping to at least have my door restoration half-way finished. P.S. Any one out there know about wood working, arggg. Have a doosy of a question for you if you want to help. Some of the wood on the bottom half of the door is water damaged. Would you suggest I replace the whole wood panel that is damaged, and if so, how would I go about doing that without affecting the integrity (strength) of the door. The wood is oak, the door is 50 years old and the water damage on a scale is a 10. The wood has lifted 1/4 inch. Thanks for any help on this! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 12:55:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, ptap@pacifier.com Subject: Wood question Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:51:07, -0500 Message-ID: <199808071851.OAA15470@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>P.S. Any one out there know about wood working, arggg. Have a doosy of a question for you if you want to help. Some of the wood on the bottom half of the door is water damaged. Would you suggest I replace the whole wood panel that is damaged, and if so, how would I go about doing that without affecting the integrity (strength) of the door. The wood is oak, the door is 50 years old and the water damage on a scale is a 10. The wood has lifted 1/4 inch. Thanks for any help on this! Pam *sm*<< Most wood door panels are trapped into groves in the stiles and rails of a door when it is assembled. One way to replace a panel is to cut out the molding that holds the panel in place. This is normally done on the inside only. Replace the panel and install removable molding such as often seen when a glass panel is installed in a door. Unless you are handy with wood this is a job best left to your local woodworking shop. If you are lucky the job should cost less than $100. 00 plus the cost of re finishing the door. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 **So what's a nice wench like you doing around a monastery like this? * Danish monk about 1100 CE* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 14:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Vince Fox- dead or alive? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:01:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199808072101.RAA13004@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk > I tend to believe Vincent Fox is still alive and very well ... I talked to him > about a year and a half ago on the phone Whoever posted the above please post to bungi. It did not make it to me or the bungi archives. Thanks, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 15:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: First Big Fair & wood question Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.134418.0> References: <<1998Aug7.2221.0>> Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Hi all, howdy Cheryl, > > Words of wisdom, for Cheryl, a woman who creates beautiful artwork, is > knowledgeable and allows her personality to shine through. Humm, I would > bring your smile and a celebratory bottle of wine to share with Doug > after the event is over. You will be a smash! > > Good luck and my best wishes!! > > Have a great weekend everyone, I am hoping to at least have my door > restoration half-way finished. > > P.S. Any one out there know about wood working, arggg. Have a doosy of a > question for you if you want to help. > Some of the wood on the bottom half of the door is water damaged. Would > you suggest I replace the whole wood panel that is damaged, and if so, > how would I go about doing that without affecting the integrity > (strength) of the door. The wood is oak, the door is 50 years old and > the water damage on a scale is a 10. The wood has lifted 1/4 inch. > Thanks for any help on this! > > Pam *sm* > > -- > ********************************* > Moswood Mountain Limited > Pamela Burns-Tappan > President > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > > Stained Glass Artists > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if the wood lifted it sounds like a veneer. this could be glued back down, providing it did'nt crack or warp any in the process. if there is a visual stain, you may be able to bleach it out, using a bleach kit. hydrogen peroxide may work, or even bleach (but test it somewhere not obvious like on the very bottom of the door. you can probably also find the info on the net somewhere. i really never examined this site http://www.bhglive.com/homeimp/docs/index.htm but it looks like it could help out. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 16:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass Beveling by Vincent L. Fox Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.134820.0> Precedence: bulk I would be most interested in = knowing the name of the black American who invented the wheel cutter. Anyone know? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 16:30:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Doug Parrott" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: First Big Fair Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.134827.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Cheryl- There's a great bunch of info in the archives from a recent discussion including a list of things to take with you compliments of Christie Wood. Maybe Christie would be kind enough to repost that message for our benefit. Good luck. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 17:19:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Fox alive I hope!! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:01:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug7.2316.0> Precedence: bulk Yes I would tend to believe that Vince is still alive I haven't talked to him for about a year but at that time time he was very much involved in AA He was on a lecture circuit for them I believe.No he does not bevel any more and Yes he did turn the shop over to his daughters. They were very capable and the shop was doing well last time I visited . I will make it a point to go their and find out the truth , as I am very interested myself It's been a long time since I had coffee with Vince would enjoy his company again. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 19:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Co-op advice please Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:45:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.154518.0> Precedence: bulk Every wholsaler I've ever bought from or wanted a catalog from requires a tax permit,yellow pages ad,business checking account,business cards etc as proof you are really in business... Most also require a minimum $600 1st order....THis all may seem strict but they HAVE to protect thier main customers such as retailers,studios etc....Most that I've dealt with wont risk loosing legitamate glass business folks who buy thousands of dollars worth each year to sell to a group of individuals who may buy only a few hundred dollars worth a year...Most REAL wholesalers also dont fool with sales tax thats why you have to have the permit.... I know that myself personally would get real upset if my suppliers started selling to individuals when I have spent thousands with them stocking my studio with tools and supplies only to have every Tom,Dick and Harry be able to buy at my price a little here and there.... Just my 2 cents worth.. . I'm in no way slamming you or yer idea...If you just dont want to pay full retail places like Warner and such offer some better prices... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 5:24 AM Subject: Co-op advice please >Hi everyone! > >Hope I find everyone in good health and good spirits today. >Now I'm running the risk of tweaking the nerves of retail supply store >owners with this question but here goes! > >An associate and I are interested in creating a co-op for Oregon and >Washington stained glassers. The co-op would not be a store front >business. It would be run from our homes, so the members would not have >to work at the co-op. > >The idea is to buy stained glass supplies in bulk at wholesale prices >and distribute these products to the individuals of the co-op. Say I >bought 3 sheets of spectrum blah and Joe wanted a 1/2 sheet of the same. >I would cut the 1/2 sheet for Joe, he would pick it up from me at the >lower price. There would be no profit in this for me or my associate. We >would take into consideration shipping charges (if any) taxes and >expenses. > >Or another way we could go is a trade/buy list: > > As an example: My sister-in-law owns a soap business. She is on what >they call a soap list. On this list are people who have excess products >such as 200 soap dishes. They either trade or buy with the other people >on the list whose product they need at the time. Each individual is >responsible for shipping and so forth. > >Now there are two different examples above in regard's to group cost >saving. I would appreciate thoughts, analysis and observations from you >on this please. Keep in mind, I am a retailer too, I can see both points >of view here. The main goal is to cut costs for members of the group. > >Thanks, > >Pam *sm* >-- >********************************* >Moswood Mountain Limited >Pamela Burns-Tappan >President >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > >Stained Glass Artists >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 20:09:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: more newbie questions.... Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.155716.0> Precedence: bulk I keep pieces all the way down to about 2 inches square... Anything smaller goes into the recycle boxes....The best thing I've found to store the smaller pieces are those plastic shoe boxes you can get at Walmart etc for about $1..... Whenever I'm starting a new panel that uses smaller pieces I go though the appropriate boxes 1st before going onto the larger pieces and sheets......Sometimes I also do 'freebie' panels for friends,relatives etc and try to make them entirely out of scrapbox material....This way you can make something nice for someone and use up some of the ever expanding piles of scrap.... Byron.. Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Astarzia@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 10:30 AM Subject: more newbie questions.... > >Hello Again.... > >I have a couple more questions for the group since I have >received such marvelous responses to my previous questions. >(You guys are great!) > >First, after cutting the pieces that I need for my projects, I am >left with a lot of "scrap" glass. How much of the scrap glass >should I save? Is there a certain size that is recommended for >keeping for other projects? I've never done any mosaics, but it >seems as though the pieces for the mosaics are rather small so >I've been keeping almost every little piece of glass that I have >left over.....should I? > >Second, how do you store the scrap glass pieces? > >Thanks in advance! > >*Astarzia* >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 21:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "Lydia Heise" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stained Glass Computer Backgrounds Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.20127.0> Precedence: bulk Someone on the list ( sorry I don't remember who) wanted to know if there was any stained glass backgrounds or at least Kaleidoscopes I found some on this web site and I thought they were pretty good she's got alot of them all free for a link :). http://www.the.enchantress.net There is another sit that I believe has groups of buttons and backgrounds and they are called stained glass ..she is also very good. http://toadstool.2u.to/ Love, Light, and Laughter to you always, Lydia lydia@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~lydia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 7 22:48:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: First Big Fair Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug7.145542.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you all so much for your input and support. We set the tent up tonight and we'll get up early and I mean early tomorrow to set up the inventory. I saw a lot of people set their booth up including inventory and then leave it. Do any of you do that? I packed our radio so we could listen to the Mariners game. Weather should be great. I made my list and included everything you all suggested. And I will take you up and sleep. I haven't had much of that lately so I will get that well needed sleep tonight in preperation for tomorrow. Thanks again and I'll tell you all how it goes. Oh by the way... the theme I am doing is Stained Glass garden art. It has been a lot of fun. Thanks, Cheryl.... time for bed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 06:41:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: lydia@voicenet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Computer Backgrounds Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:05:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug8.12510.0> Precedence: bulk BIG Thanks!!!! These sites are fun. Lu Ann <> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 07:05:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 04:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: sand blasting/carving Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:46:54 -0400 Message-ID: <19980808114331.LIWT986@vic> Precedence: bulk Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. As usual it was a whirlwind week. I want to thank you all for the comments posted in this regard. My question was pretty much rhetorical but I was hoping that I was wrong. There was a comment in the tapes that I saw on etching/blasting, but it was not elaborated on. The areas in question exist in two 36" doors with full glass panels, in wood frames, and a side light approximately 12" x 60" +/-. I am still in the process of setting up "the shop" and I am expecting to be able to begin working this week. The only item left is the electrical outlet for the compressor (to be done by electrician since my respect and fear of electricity dictates that I don't play with it). Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Vice President Feist & Feist Realty Corp. Work: 973-226-5000 - Hm: 973-328-4272 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 08:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b3758749-2eb7-11d2-9aab-00805fbe1e57" Subject: Things to take to fairs Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.61132.0> Precedence: bulk This is a MIME-encapsulated message --b3758749-2eb7-11d2-9aab-00805fbe1e57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The attached .txt file is my list of stuff to take to fairs. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 --b3758749-2eb7-11d2-9aab-00805fbe1e57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="showprep.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="showprep.txt" Artwork: panels, suncatchers, mirrors, boxes, lamps, lampbases, mosaics=0D= misc.: suction hooks, display stands, wrought iron bases=0D =0D Supplies=0D legal papers, signage, business cards, sales/order book, MC/VISA stuff, p= hoto book, pattern books (opt.), gift certificates, newspaper reprints, = calculator, $$$ & change, black & red pens & paper, pricing stickers, ba= gs & bubble wrap, 409 glass cleaner & cloth, camera & film (no tripod), c= andy for dish=0D Comforts=0D water, diet Coke, cooler, lunch, snacks, boombox & CDs (if allowed)=0D change of clothes=0D Outdoors: umbrella, sunglasses & sunscreen=0D =0D Setup=0D oak display unit, furniture polish & cloth, folding chair, table cloth fo= r hiding wrapping supplies & bags, chain, (2) needle-nose pliers, regular= pliers, rubber mallet, fishing line, scissors, hanging hooks, re-inforce= d tape=0D Indoor setup: track lights, (6) 50 watt bulbs, track lighting hardware, e= xtension chords, (2) switches, power strip, uplights, curtains=0D =0D --b3758749-2eb7-11d2-9aab-00805fbe1e57-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 08:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:28:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Screensavers Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:26:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug8.14262.0> Precedence: bulk Hi: Melanie at allcrafts@p085.aone.net.au said she had a great stained glass screensaver that was part of a suite called "After Dark". For anyone interested, I have located this group of programs at http://www.berksys.com/ and some additional addon modules at: http://pages.prodigy.com/begany/afterdark.htm. Thanks to all of you who responded to my original request. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 08:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Astarzia From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Store Search Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:08:22 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug8.15822.0> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Everyone (morning for me, anyway:) At one time, I located a web site that included a city and state search and find of stained glass stores. We are traveling to Madison, Wisconsin today for the express purpose of going to some stained glass stores and to eat some hummus, and wouldn't you know it I lost the link to find the stores. Luckily I know where to get good hummus in Madison. >grin< If anyone knows this search site and could email the address to me.... or if the person who lives in Madison from this list could quickly email the names of the stores with the phone numbers or addresses... it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again! *Astarzia* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 09:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Solder on zinc came. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:18:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug8.151824.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/7/98 4:16:40 PM, DMR74@aol.com wrote: >better wear goggles and long >pants as the wheels break easily and fly at great speeds in all directions >when they do. >deb Dremel does make metal circular-saw blade bits. Seems to me you should be using those rather than the grinding/polishing wheels for actual cutting. Mike Savad adds: > the body of the machine get's in the path of what your cutter, > causing an angle... Can you get a "flex-shaft" for your Dremel? If so, that takes care of that problem. I'm sure getting one for mine (got my set picked out, top of the line, and am going to buy it as soon as I get paid, heh heh heh). you can also get all sorts of mounts for the tool itself for more accurate cutting and drilling - turn it into an itty bitty drill press, table saw, etc. In any case, goggles and long pants aren't such a bad idea as a general practice. (Can you tell that my chemical-plant-rat days thoroughly brainwashed me? Summers in east Texas are no fun when you have to wear heavy jeans, long-sleeved denim shirts, and occasionally heavy coveralls as well!) Or you can easily make a guard screen out of plexiglas, especially for summertime when you're running around in shorts but you'd really rather be working butt-naked (Elisabeth, I am so envious of your "garden of Eden" setup!)! Dr. Sparks, Barenaked Witch Doctor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 09:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: bird_cage@email.msn.com (Doug Parrott) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: First Big Fair Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug8.73944.0> Precedence: bulk Cheryl wrote: >I saw a lot of people set their booth up including >inventory and then leave it. =A0 Do any of you do >that? Yup.... I do it all the time. My canopy can be totally enclosed by zip up sides. I also cover the inventory with old sheets inside. So far, I've never had a problem. I'm not an early morning type person and it just makes it so much more relaxing to just come in, roll up the sides, and I'm ready for business! Hope you're having a great day! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 10:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Store Search Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199808081815.OAA23846@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > At one time, I located a web site that included a city and state > search and find of stained glass stores. It's at http://www.thestorefinder.com/storesearch/storefinder.html courtesy of Inland Craft Products. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 10:44:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, WhispyBlu@aol.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Computer Backgrounds Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:52:56, -0500 Message-ID: <199808081652.MAA07426@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Lu Ann <><< I haven't done this in a while but I think you can create your oun screen saver if you have W95. Go to acessories and select paint. Import an image such as a kaleidoscope pattern. Modify it as you desire and then from the paint file menu select *select as wallpaper*. You now have the wallpaper you selected. Let us know if this works for you. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 10:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, HUSKYGATOR@aol.com Subject: Glass Beveling by Vincent L. Fox Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:01:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199808081701.NAA15564@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Bob, What is the name of the beveling book that you are referring too? Can it be ordered? It sounds very interesting. Thanks in advance for any information that you can give me. I am always looking to find new books to read on glass. Linda<< The subject line of this message gives the title and author. I know it to be currently available at Hollander in Los Angeles and suspect it is available at their several other locations. The book has also been reprinted by the Denver Glass Machinery Company. Hollander is wholsale only but Denver may send you a copy. Your SG retailer should be able to obtain from either source. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 12:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: First Big Fair Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.11137.0> Precedence: bulk I agree with Joan re: leaving your inventory in a closed tent, especially if the fair hires a guard to walk the grounds at night. The only folks I know who pack up their inventory every evening are the jewelers, and that's just common sense. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 13:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Store Search Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.11144.0> Precedence: bulk There are eight studios listed in the Sources Guide that you can access on the International Guild of Glass ARtists web site - don't know which are stores = and/or private studios but it's = a start. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 13:28:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: First Big Fair Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.11151.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Doug- I'd think twice about that radio. I don't even stop at booths/tents that have a radio going (gawd = forbid when there are multiple radios close together!) because I can't concentrate on the display or the conversation. And I get the impression that the proprietor is just sort of half there and not really giving customers his full attention. Just an old-fashioned thought from someone over 40! ;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 14:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Stained Glass Wallpaper Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.11131.0> Precedence: bulk KoKoMo homepage has a site with all of their glass samples on screen. If you like just the sheets of glass - Using Netscape go to the KoKoMo Homepage view the samples click on the one you like ( it will give you a bigger view) RIGHT MOUSE CLICK on the sample and save it as wallpaper. You can change the wallpaper as often as you change you underwear if you like. They have hundreds of different samples. I'm experimenting right now with filling in graphics in CorelDraw8 with the sample files (Jpegs). I'll keep everyone informed. I'll be surfing the other glass links (bear with me - the glass slivers are hard to keep out from between my toes) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 20:09:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: , shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Once upon a time ............ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:25:43 PDT Message-ID: References: <> Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Once upon a time ............" on Aug 6, 9:07, writes:] > In a message dated 8/5/98 4:14:35 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > shakeel@tm.net.my writes: > > << But the origin and birth of Bungi is still very much in the dark. > How did it all begin? Its infancy? Bungi is just our domain name. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 8 22:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: On the road again Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:33:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug8.183321.0> Precedence: bulk I'll be in Arlington, Virginia Aug 10-14. Anybody in that area from the group? I'd like to meet them. Unfortunately, its in conjunction with my day job and I'll be limited to the evening hours, except maybe Friday. Looking forward to meeting some of you. Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS I'll put on my best manners. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 10:23:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Astarzia From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Repair work Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:24:00 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug9.16240.0> Precedence: bulk Just a note to thank everyone for the information on searching for stained glass stores in Madison. We postponed our trip until next weekend because the stores close early on Saturdays and aren't open on Sundays. >sigh< Now, I have yet another question. The first project I ever completed (which wasn't too long ago), and one of my favorite projects fell from its perch last night and several pieces of the glass broke. There was some type of explosion sound that shook the house and knocked it down. The police say it was fireworks, but it sounded like a cannon to me! Anyway...it is a rectangle panel done with copper foil and with a zinc came border. How do I fix it? I am heartbroken. *Astarzia* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 12:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Screensavers Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:20:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug9.182039.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-08 11:28:08 EDT, you write: << Hi: Melanie at allcrafts@p085.aone.net.au said she had a great stained glass screensaver that was part of a suite called "After Dark". For anyone interested, I have located this group of programs at http://www.berksys.com/ and some additional addon modules at: http://pages.prodigy.com/begany/afterdark.htm. Thanks to all of you who responded to my original request. "Mike" Mikolajczak >> I didn't find any glass savers at the first URL and the second one did something funky to my computer. I ended up having to reboot the whole thing. Dianne Jacksonville, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 13:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug9.55940.0> Precedence: bulk Well hello everyone! This lurker is back to reclaim her lurker seat. I certainly hope I never have to go through those type of withdrawals again!! OK OK so I can't have my front row lurker seat back...but I do intend to work my way back to that front seat. Sheila Ohio _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 18:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 42 Linda Campbell Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug9.14552.0> Precedence: bulk I have really enjoyed the bios. The personal touch is like sitting on my back porch and getting to know someone. I should warn you though. I expect you to make yourself to home. Here's your first cup of coffee or soda. Now that you have been to my house you can wait on yourself. The kitchen is to your right and the bathroom is down the hall. If you want something, get it. I treat you like family. I was born in Jacksonville, Florida but was raised in Southeast Virginia. I hate to hear myself on tape because I sound like such a country bumpkin. My mother and father were total opposites, she was fast and furious with everything she did. I can remember her sewing my clothes, putting finishing touches on them as I was getting dressed to go out the door. Dad was more methodical. An optician, he had very little education but a very mathematical mind. He always had a plan. Dad was the sort who replaced all the batteries in the house on New Year's day (just because) and kept a record of all the maintenance that was ever done to his vehicle. I have one of his pairs of optical needle nose pliers. He used to put a notch in the handle each time he broke a lens with a that tool. This pair of pliers has three notches in the handle. I have them because I bent the tips working on a piece of jewelry as a teenager. They were not longer any good to him so I got to keep them. Being German silver, the flux and patinas of glass working seem to just roll off them. I guess I inherited a little from both of them. I very often start projects without any idea how they are going to turn out but I do keep all of my stuff organized. I have to. I collect "stuff". Tools, ideas, supplies, books things I'm gonna do one day. I have note books filled with ideas of future projects. The technical side of me earns a living as a project engineer for a small shipyard doing primarily navy work. My specialty, if I have one is, drydocking, procedures, arrangements, calculations of ships stability and distribution of the weight of the ship on the dock and such. I kind of fell into this field. Never knew that women just weren't doing this in the 60's when I got out of high school. Took the apprenticeship test at the naval shipyard, passed and started out as the yard's first female apprentice in the Navy's 200 year history. Much ado was made about nothing and I've just been trying to learn all I can ever since. Now that I'm fifty, I take things a lot lighter. No longer tote the women's banner, just want to be left alone to do my job. I have always been involved in some handcraft or another, sewing, drawing, jewelry, woodworking, needlework. I have written for the newspaper, tried fiction but didn't get too far. I think it was just cathartic. I have always felt that my stronger suit was the technique of a craft rather than the artistic influence I added to it. I think some of my left brain adds to the glass though. Something about the balance and color that I couldn't seem to achieve with drawing and painting shows up in the glass. I started this about 18 months ago. A friend got me interested. Before I saw what she had done, I thought glass was something that I would never do. I didn't know it would be so easy. She insisted I start with a small suncatcher. I wanted to do something more complicated. I pacified her with a 4 piece peach and then designed my dreamcatcher that is in the bungi archives. I learned from it. My second or third project was a prairie lampshade for a friend ( the one that was on the cover of Delphi's catalog). The geometric cuts fit my style (draftsman/engineer). But when it came time to put the four sides together, I was most struck by the fact that glass has no ease like fabric where I could make things fit. This was going to be a most interesting hobby. :) I'd have to use Dad's personality. Mom's mode of "hammer-fit" it just wouldn't do. I like three dimensional glass objects. I have given all my family members airplanes, outhouse, or kaleidoscopes. My current obsession is decorating my new house. My husband of 2 years and I have built on 5 acres abutting the Great Dismal Swamp Wildlife Refuge. I have seen numerous deer, a bear in the backyard, as many as forty hummingbirds at the front porch feeders and a 4-1/2 foot rattle snake in the yard. I want to bring some of those images to the inside of my house. I have plans for a hummer window over the tub enclosure, deer and bear corner brackets between the living and dining room and I'm tinkering with an idea for a glass portrait of he and I (sort of like the Grant Wood of the farmer and his wife) for the front windows. Like I said, I don't always have I idea of the limitations of my medium so I just adjust as I go along. The more glass that I do, the more my preferences change. I use patterns for ideas only. Most of what I do is my own creation. I like it that way. I save the patterns but find that once I have done something, I have no desire to do another like it. A pity, because I'm usually working out the bugs as I go along. I'm an INTP if anyone is interested. The person who has most influenced my life is my paternal grandmother, Nany. Dad's mom came to live with me when she was 94. Up until then she had been living alone in Alabama. She taught me to garden, preserve and to be frugal. I'm using all of that in the country now. She also taught me to keep on trucking, no matter what. She was active till the day she died at the age of 98. She said that she had a heart attack at some time in her life and that she had cracked a disk in her back. I asked her when. She said, "Oh the heart attack must have been that time I was faint in the strawberry field and I must have broken that disk the time I fell off the ladder." I asked when that was and she said it must have been when she was around 70 or so. I'm trying to imagine this 70 year old woman on a ladder cleaning out he gutters.. I've picked up and discarded many pastime in my life. I think glass is one that will endure. I have so many ideas, I can't keep up. And there's always the possibility that I'll get into hot glass. That intrigues me. I like the feel of glass. Always have. Even as a kid I can remember picking things up in the dimestore just to "feel" them. I like the weight and substance of glass. I like that it will last longer than I will. I try to make every piece worth the lasting. Okay, so now you know I'm certifiable. Oh, you knew that, we INTPs are a rare breed, hard to know but worth the effort. Loyal always. Keep those bios coming. It's good getting to know you too. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 19:26:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re Stained Glass Screensavers Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:04:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug10.1439.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Dianne: Sorry about your problems with the URLs I supplied. Http://www.berksys.com/ is just the first page -- you must continue: Press "dark toast" (sounds screwy, but it's correct) on first page; press "products" button on 2nd page, and press "after dark" on page 3. Or if you wish, the complete URL for this particular page is: http://www.berksys.com/products/index.html. I can't explain why you had to reboot with the second URL. I get it just fine -- it does have animation and sound, maybe that has a bearing. But it does contain addons as stated. Nice to hear from someone near my part of the country -- SC. Hope this helps. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 19:35:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Repair work Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 21:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <199808100104.VAA00786@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Astarzia wrote: > >Now, I have yet another question. The first project I ever completed >(which wasn't too long ago), and one of my favorite projects fell from >its perch last night and several pieces of the glass broke. There was >some type of explosion sound that shook the house and knocked it >down. The police say it was fireworks, but it sounded like a cannon >to me! Sorry Astarzia, you had the experience sooner rather than later. Happens to us all. You need to take your glass cutter and score over each broken piece, several times until it cracks through and you can pull each little shard out, carefully, with pliers so as not to disturb the unbroken pieces around it. If you haven't kept your pattern, trace through the hole and make yourself another pattern for that piece of glass. Cut the new glass, refoil it and carefully work it back into the space. Be sure to wear safety glasses when cutting/breaking the glass, it flies all over! I usually balance the whole thing on top of the trash can when doing this dirty work. Re-solder, and re-patina if necessary. Usually my solder lines are a bit thicker. Good practice for you for when people start bringing you their broken windows and begging for repair! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 19:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio # 43 Jeanne Pay Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug9.151244.0> Precedence: bulk Let's see I was born in Philadelphia, Pa. (seem to keep erasing) hummm ? grew up with a large family. ?I am married to William, with a great daughter (Shannon),she's 16. We live near a deep lake , so I started to scuba dive. had a great time learning and finding all kinds of good junk glass bottles anyone? :)good drift wood too :)my buddy says not to bring any more up from deep murky lake. The shelves are full .Found a wagon and a starter gun. (got huge eyes when I first saw that!) I took a SG lesson from a lady I'd heard of from my mom. (good old mom) :)We made a 4 pc butterfly on a stick for my first piece. So I've muddled along ever since.I've learned quite a bit in the couple of years I've been drooling over glass . I'm not a professional just a wanna be, that will keep on practicing and reading all I can get. I do read all of the posts,I've learned so much from reading the bungi group that I do want to thank everybody at this time especially the Rands for making it possible for the group it self ! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 22:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Looking for a person who e-mailed me Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug9.145950.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! Well this weekend my fingers were deleting like a mad woman. I have lost the personal e-mail regarding the co-op from a retailer in Seattle. The mail wasn't signed so I don't know your name but would like for you to contact me again please. Message for lost retailer* ******************* If you are still interested in forming a glass group in the Seattle area then let me know, I do have someone else who would like to participate in a group. Thanks -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 9 23:24:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Bios #42 Linda-#43 Jeanne Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug9.151913.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk I must say two very versatile woman this week, with lot's of interesting reading. I ate my popcorn, drank my glass of wine as usual, and enjoyed them both very much. Thanks Linda and Jeanne and you too Pat! See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 07:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: totally non-S.G. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:21:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199808101325.OAA25291@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, My snail-mail post-box is beginning to be filled with extra ordinary little mail items, bearing postmarks from USA; - funny cards to keep me laughing - lovely cards to keep my s.g. spirits up - small tweezers (for-the-removal-of-splinters-in-bums-with! What a demonstration of Faith in my abilities as a garden hammock constructor!!! Gee Thanks!) - Little packets of plasters to use at midnight soldering sessions in the garden .... ;-> - "belly-button protectors" (for same said sessions!!) - Little miniature irons with which to do my mountains of ironing (Large or small - ANY usage of irons NOT recommended for Viking blood in this current heat-wave we have here in UK!! That's MY excuse - and I'm sticking to it!! However, How COME people know I abhor ironing???! ;-> ) - .....and treats for Toby (who is now sitting and positively STARING at the Letter Box.!) Am now contemplating suitable "revenge" towards the "perpetrators"... Just need to finish off my individual e-mail replies to now a smaller hand-ful of those wonderful people. Since my return from Sweden, friends here in UK have not allowed me to hide in my little corner; I have been dragged out for BBQs, dog-shows, gardening-shows, exhibitions, picknics and days by the sea-side. Spent an idyllic 14 hours on the coast of Suffolk last Saturday (Aldeburgh, where Benjamin Britten lived and where now the Aldeburgh Festival takes place annually.). There is a wonderful commemorative stained glass panel in the church in Aldeburgh where Britten is buried by John Piper. I am as red as a lobster. On return back home in glorious sunset - being driven and cossetted ALL day -we passed the former US Base Mildenhall. There are at least 2 of you out there in Bungi who have recounted to me fond memories of your time there. It's about an hours drive from where I live. A little further down south -, in Cambridgeshire - we passed Duxford, and the erstwhile home of the US Air Force "Mighty 8" - where I myself have a little contribution to make. A few years ago, on the occasion of the %&* ?? Anniversary (5oth???) of the "Mighty 8th's Presence in UK, I was asked to design and make a stained glass insignia of the emblem of the Mighty 8, which was then exhibited at the Duxford Air Museum during the entire Anniversary Year. Afterwards I donated the circular panel to be sold for a related charity. All I have left is a very gracious letter from the Museum Curator. Anyhow, 'nuff said. "Perpetrators" WATCH OUT !! With Big Grins ... and a LARGE slobbery tongue Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. C'mon over and do my ironing for me, and you'll be sure to have bed and food for as long as the ironing takes..... ;-> ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 08:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Astarzia@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Repair work Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug10.54545.0> References: <<1998Aug9.16240.0>> Precedence: bulk Astarzia@aol.com wrote: > > Just a note to thank everyone for the information on searching > for stained glass stores in Madison. We postponed our > trip until next weekend because the stores close early on > Saturdays and aren't open on Sundays. >sigh< > > Now, I have yet another question. The first project I ever completed > (which wasn't too long ago), and one of my favorite projects fell from > its perch last night and several pieces of the glass broke. There was > some type of explosion sound that shook the house and knocked it > down. The police say it was fireworks, but it sounded like a cannon > to me! > > Anyway...it is a rectangle panel done with copper foil and with a zinc > came border. How do I fix it? I am heartbroken. > > *Astarzia* > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass on my page i explained the entire process of what to do. (this way i don't have to repeat myself). the only hard part will be removing the zinc came. you may have to carefully cut the solder lines off with a dremel or the like. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 10:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: First Big Fair & wood question Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 08:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Aug7.2221.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > P.S. Any one out there know about wood working, arggg. Have a doosy of a > question for you if you want to help. > Some of the wood on the bottom half of the door is water damaged. Would > you suggest I replace the whole wood panel that is damaged, and if so, > how would I go about doing that without affecting the integrity > (strength) of the door. The wood is oak, the door is 50 years old and > the water damage on a scale is a 10. The wood has lifted 1/4 inch. > Thanks for any help on this! if this is a solid door, it's pretty easy to fix. take out the glass. look up woodworkers in the phone book. a place that sells lots of different kinds of wood and tools, not the hardware store type place. they should either have, or know of a place that has, a 36" or 48" belt sander. it should cost you about $50 to have it run through to make it level again. don't let them put it through a planer, as that will ruin it. a planer will only work when it is run with the grain in the direction of travel; if you go across the grain it will destroy the wood. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 15:20:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My mail and new email addtess. Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug10.114929.0> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk Pleas note the new additions to my email address. Please keep me as a subcriber.. Thanks!!!! Don Davis Jr. WB9HZX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 16:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Non-Glass (Maine) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:48:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug10.224833.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians: Does anyone live in the very northern tip of Maine? Such as Fort Kent or Madawaska, or Edmunston, NB or nearby? Will be driving up through Eastport and Calais and visiting in the area through the end of Aug. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 10 20:51:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: First big fair.... SUCCESS!!!! Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:52:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug10.105219.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: bungi@glass.com Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 9:50 AM Subject: First big fair.... SUCCESS!!!! >Hi everyone I'm back, > >The fair was a blast. The weather was great, the people were a hoot, and >the money ain't bad! > >Everything went well. The booth looked great. I was the only one with S.G. >garden art. There were two other folks with stepping stones but my stones >had a different look. One gal actually poured her stones the night before >and was doing the finishing grouting at the fair. Her prices were so low. >I am sure she took some of my stepping stone business because of the price. >But let me tell you, ya get what ya pay for. There were other garden art >booths but because my line was so different I really didn't have to worry >the other booths. I just admired their work. It really was nice. Lots of >metal work. > >We received lots of wonderful comments about the booth and how attractive it >was and about the quality of my work. (I'll always take strokes as I tend >to get a bit low on self esteem pretty often) We even had someone stand >outside of the booth taking a picture of the whole booth. I smiled big and >waved just so he knew I saw him in case he was trying to copy my work. > >I even met a fellow bungi person. Terry Oakes from Jax Stained Glass in >Bellevue WA. Terry came out to see the booth because he saw my post and all >the great feedback on Bungi. Hi Terry, it was nice meeting you and thanks >for your support. You made my day! > >I brought everything to the fair that you all suggested. Didn't need the >radio, there was a band going all day. My husband thought he would listen >to the Mariners game, but the band was too loud. > >We did about $1200 worth of sale. Considering this is SeaFair weekend in >the Seattle area (for all you non northwesterns, this is a big two >celebration in the Seattle area that ends with the Hydroplane races.) In >addition to the races, there were other Seafair events going on throughout >the area. So I think we did really well. > >I only had one problem. My wonderful and I really do mean wonderful >husband, Doug, kept standing in the middle of the booth with his arms >folded. I think he may have scared a few people off. I finally very >politely asked him to sit down or at least stand behind the counter. I >really hated to say anything cause Doug has been very very very supportive >with my S.G. endeavors. He sat down but a little later he was back up >standing in the middle of the booth again with his arms folded. Oh Well!! > >Thank you all again. I really do like this group. I think I have learned >more from you all in the last couple months than I have learned in the last >15 years. One of the problems when you buy wholesale and don't go into the >retail stores very often is you loose the support and the constructive >feedback rom fellow SG people. > >Well, this is looking like a book. Can you tell I am stoked about the great >experience I had. I'm ready for more fairs. > >Thanks again > >Cheryl Parrott >bird_cage@msn.com >The Glass Parrott > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 05:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: bird_cage@email.msn.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: First big fair.... SUCCESS!!!! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:23:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug11.112343.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Cheryl, Congratulations!!! You are such a success! $1200 for your FIRST fair is outstanding! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 05:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: First craft fair Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:11:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug11.12118.0> Precedence: bulk Congratulations on a successful fair, Cheryl. You've passed that first big hurdle - now there will be no stopping you!!! Pat yourself on the back. It took alot of work and planning but you enjoyed yourself and made some $$. I had to chuckle at your comments about Doug. I have one whose name is Hal and he thinks EVERYONE should have a piece of my wonderful glass art. Kathi P. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 10:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!agacic From: "Alex Gacic" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Stepping stone opinion Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:44:35 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug11.164435.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, As always this is a great discussion group. I am learning so much. I just recently completed and shipped an oval stepping stone to a cousin of mine, who owns a bed and breakfast. I did the bed and breakfast name in glass and added some wild rose glass patterns. I thought it turned out well, no sinking glass or bad concrete areas. She emailed me a thank you note and asked if my kids made it! Now my two daughters are 8 and 5 years old. Was this a good or bad comment? I decided to take it as a good one. I guess I put alot of the kid inside me when I made it. Which is good, it should be fun. Anyone else get any unusual comments about their work? Alex Gacic The struggling hobbyist ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 12:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stepping stone opinion Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:04:58 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Alex-- I gotta admire your positive attitude (gave me another reason I'm glad I don't have kids!). Knowing how much work goes into making a stone, I can understand your being taken aback. Guess I'd just chalk it up to your cousin's ignorance of the art. I'm curious, though, about how you shipped the sucker. They're so darn heavy...must have cost a small fortune! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 12:55:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nancyclayb From: Nancy Bean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Panels Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:26:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.72641.0> Organization: Daltile Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I have several panels the size of about 9" x 12". They vary from 30 to 40 pieces each. Can someone give me a price range that should be placed on these. Right now I don't have a clue and want to take them to a craft fair. Appreciate your help and suggestions. Thanks, Nance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 13:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: It's finished!!! & a question Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.10108.0> Precedence: bulk My koi and lilly pad panel is complete. After all the procrastation it turned out very well. I'll put up a photo as soon as the film gets back. Now for my question: can I mix two sizes of lead came in one panel? The major problem I had with the koi was the fact that I had a tough time bending the came around some of the very small pieces. My next panel has two 2" borders and I need to use a heavy came there in order to hold it very streight. The interior design has a lot of small glass pieces. Can I use a small came for the design area? Next question: The total panel size is 22X36 and will be framed in 2" oak. Do I need any reinforcing? I use zinc for the outside. Than you so much for all your advice. Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 14:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Alex Gacic" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stepping stone opinion Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 16:57:29 -0400 Message-ID: <199808112100.RAA26730@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Alex wrote: > >I just recently completed and shipped an oval stepping stone to a cousin >of mine, who owns a bed and breakfast. I did the bed and breakfast name >in glass and added some wild rose glass patterns. I thought it turned >out well, no sinking glass or bad concrete areas. She emailed me a thank >you note and asked if my kids made it! Now my two daughters are 8 and 5 >years old. Was this a good or bad comment? I decided to take it as a >good one. I guess I put alot of the kid inside me when I made it. >Which is good, it should be fun. > >Anyone else get any unusual comments about their work? Yeah, of my own creations: "Well, *that's* interesting!" That means they don't know what else to say. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 15:03:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: It's finished!!! & a question Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:22:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.132251.0> References: <<1998Aug11.10108.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > My koi and lilly pad panel is complete. After all the procrastation it > turned out very well. I'll put up a photo as soon as the film gets back. > > Now for my question: can I mix two sizes of lead came in one panel? The > major problem I had with the koi was the fact that I had a tough time > bending the came around some of the very small pieces. My next panel has > two 2" borders and I need to use a heavy came there in order to hold it > very streight. The interior design has a lot of small glass pieces. Can > I use a small came for the design area? > > Next question: The total panel size is 22X36 and will be framed in 2" > oak. Do I need any reinforcing? I use zinc for the outside. > Than you so much for all your advice. > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't do lead myself, but alomst any frank lloyd wright design has a bunch of different lead sizes. it gives it a little more of a dramatical look to it. the other questions would probably be better from someone who does panels... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 15:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, fibers@wcnet.net Subject: It's finished!!! & a question Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:50:00, -0500 Message-ID: <199808112150.RAA18524@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Now for my question: can I mix two sizes of lead came in one panel? << Of course you can. You can have as many sizes of lead as the panel seems to call for. The lead lines are a major design element of the panel and should be given careful consideration. For a panel of flowers I am likely to use 1/4", 3/16" and 1/8" lead with the smaller lead likely to be used for detail like the center of a flower. For a full bevel panel I like the monotony of same sized lead. >>Next question: The total panel size is 22X36 and will be framed in 2" oak. Do I need any reinforcing? I use zinc for the outside. Than you so much for all your advice. Nelda<< This panel is a good candidate for the use of brass heart lead in some of the longer runs to guard against bowing. Just a bit of insurance should the window someday be installed against the weather. You could run a piece of steel or brass rebar but I would not unless the design made it super convient. The 2" oak if 1" thick and groved for stained glass will ensure that it remains a rectangle. Congrats on your koi window. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 16:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: stepping stones and lead sizes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:48:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug11.224844.0> Precedence: bulk Hey guys, Ignore the stepping stone comment, it sounds like it came out perfect. However I also would love to know how you shipped it and the approximate cost. What was the size of the stone? What carrier did you use....details please.....I made one for a bud in California and it was carry on luggage (never admitted hauling cement when they asked people to get off the plane because it was too heavy!!) carrying it, a six pack of beer and other assorted items through the airports was a great way to build muscles. My friend's cat died and I made a stepping stone/grave marker. On the surface I glued glass globs to resemble a cat's paw, it came out fantastic. Lead sizes can be mixed in the same panel. There is a book of Franklin Lloyd Wright inspired designs and many windows have the different sizes mixed. Also have a pattern with lead and copper foil mixed together in the same panel. Have not tried it yet, but it also looks doable. You guys are great, thanks for the information and the autobiorgraphies, it is always great to get the postings. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 16:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: It's finished!!! & a question Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.151336.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Nelda- We often use different sizes of = lead in a panel and actually work the lead lines into the pattern so they are an integral part of the = design... not just something that holds the glass together. You can get some stunning effects. Use your imagination, but don't go too overboard at first. We = also sometimes trim wider leads to a taper to create a graceful, lyrical line. That can also be very effective in pictorial and abstract windows. Glad the window went well. I always have two goals in life. To start. And to finish. Oh, and I = wouldn't bother with reinforcing on an oak-framed window of that size - you'll just end up with an over-built window. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 16:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Panels Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.151344.0> Precedence: bulk It depends on design and all around quality of the panels. As a benchmark, we never sell anything for less than $100 square foot. There are some really good "formulas" from = a number of professionals on bungi in the archives... might be worth checking. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 17:05:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Alex Gacic" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Unusual comments Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.151353.0> Precedence: bulk After Michael finished up his "Young King Arthur" leaded = and painted window for our = recent show, we had it in the shop window for a day or so before it went over to the = college gallery. Some = customers from the antique store next door came in to ooohh and aahhh over the piece. One man asked how old the window was - Michael answered "About a week old, it's for a show that opens in a few days." The man reacted with a look of disgust and the whole group left without = another word! I guess no = matter how good it is, it's no good unless it's 150 years old! Our new motto: We will sell no window before its time!" Good grief. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 17:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Alex Gacic" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.102010.0> Precedence: bulk I repeat my observations of human nature! NEVER give away a "work of art" of YOUR own..........If the recipient gets it for "free", it has no value and open for any and all criticisms.......if they "pay" for it, their judgement is good and they got what they paid for. I have given way (few) relatively expensive items that I HAVE traded my work for. I have not GIVEN my shades away in many many years. This was learned the hard way....lamps left behind when relatives moved, put in boxes and ignored, and offered at garage sales. I DO KNOW I have no claim on them after they leave me, but>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 18:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Susan Reitmann To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subscribe Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.144731.0> Precedence: bulk Back from vacation, time to get caught up! Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 18:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Olies1 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: A question for the pros Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:58:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.05854.0> Precedence: bulk I just found out about this list when I was at a glass shop the other day and they told me that someone here may have the answer to my question. I want to do some carving on some thick plate glass and I am having a devil of a time getting it cut to size. I am trying to cut some 3/8 in" thick glass and it just won't break along the score line that I make. Any suggestions?????? Any and all help is really appreciated. Christine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 18:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bdos.com!caroline From: Caroline Lindner To: "Albert Lewis" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Store Search Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980811210338.006b1a6c@mail.bdos.com> Precedence: bulk Hi, Try Art Glass World-Art Glass World's retail stores http://www.artglass.com Caroline At 12:27 PM 8/8/98 +0000, Albert Lewis wrote: > >> At one time, I located a web site that included a city and state >> search and find of stained glass stores. > >It's at >http://www.thestorefinder.com/storesearch/storefinder.html >courtesy of Inland Craft Products. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 19:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199808120122.SAA05594@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi. Due to the recent grozing discussion, I've been trying to get better at using my grozers...however when trying to get that last little bit I often end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. This happens most often on an inside curve, and often extends into the piece itself beyond the cutting line, and I end up having to recut the whole piece. When this happens grozing is definitely NOT LABOUR saving!!! Since I'm largely self-taught I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong with my technique, are my pliers worn out or what? Any suggestions? Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 19:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:16:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: bird_cage@email.msn.com (Doug Parrott) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: First big fair.... SUCCESS!!!! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug11.181025.0> Precedence: bulk Cheryl.... Congratulations on your very successful first fair. That's great! >I only had one problem. =A0 My wonderful and I >really do mean wonderful husband, Doug, kept >standing in the middle of the booth with his >arms folded. I think he may have scared a few >people off. I finally very politely asked him to sit >down or at least stand behind the counter. I >really hated to say anything cause Doug has >been very very very supportive with my S.G. >endeavors. =A0 He sat down but a little later he >was back up standing in the middle of the booth >again with his arms folded. At your next show, if Doug seems to feel more comfortable standing in the booth, ask him to look like a customer admring your work.... kind of creates interest when there are other people in the booth! He could "straighten" them out.... whatever! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 19:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usanet.com.US!717-002 From: 717-002@usanet.com.US To: 717-002@usanet.com.US Subject: RESEARCH OF DISTRIBUTORS FOR MILLIN Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:17:33 +0200 Message-ID: <199808120217.EAA18756@ue3000.iigb.na.cnr.it> Precedence: bulk IMS is a manufacturer of HIGH PRECISION TOOLHOLDERS AND PULL STUD FOR MILLING MACHINES that work on steel, wood, marble, and glass. WE ARE INTERESTED TO FIND DISTRIBUTORS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.WE PRODUCE TOOLHOLDERS FOR THE FOLLOWING FORMS AND SIZES: HSK SHANKS IN THE FORMS A,B,C,D,E,F AND SIZES 32,40,50, 63,80,100 DIN 2080 ISO 30,40,45,50,60. 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You may place your order directly with IMS via e-mail.If you are interested in selling this product in your country,we will agree upon special prices according to your sales capacity.You can view our products at our website: HTTP://WWW.SISCO.IT/IMS For questions or additional information: E-mail: ims@sisco.it Fax: ++ 39-172-54014 Tephone: ++ 39-172-54015 Address: IMS SRL VIA VITTORIO E. 103 12048 SOMMARIVA BOSCO CN ITALY Best Regards, GIUSEPPE APRA' ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 20:01:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:16:47 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.21647.0> Precedence: bulk I was taught, and have found it to be very successful, if you start breaking from the inside curves or the most fragile/difficult parts. <> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 20:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: Susan Reitmann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subscribe Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.164916.0> References: <<1998Aug11.144731.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome back...and thanks for the glass souveniers...I'm dying to see what you picked out! Susan Reitmann wrote: > Back from vacation, time to get caught up! > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 21:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:30:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.133021.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: I repeat my observations of human nature! NEVER give away a "work of art" of YOUR own..........If the recipient gets it for "free", it has no value and open for any and all criticisms.......if they "pay" for it, their judgement is good and they got what they paid for. I have given way (few) relatively expensive items that I HAVE traded my work for. I have not GIVEN my shades away in many many years. This was learned the hard way....lamps left behind when relatives moved, put in boxes and ignored, and offered at garage sales. I DO KNOW I have no claim on them after they leave me, but>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy, H Howard, I disagree with you in a sense on this one. I have been the recipient of 2 beautiful stained glass fairys from a dear friend of mine recently. They were given freely from the heart. And I appreciated them very much. Alex sent this stepping stone he made to his cousin, which I'm sure he felt would appreciate it. The recipient in this case yes received the gift of artwork for "free", but it definitely had value, the human nature value we call giving. I always give my family and friends my artwork, heck they are the first ones I try new ideas on! And do they love receiving gifts, you bet! See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 22:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A question for the pros, etc. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:31:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.4316.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/12/98 2:36:22 AM, Olies1@aol.com wrote: >I am trying to cut some 3/8 in" thick glass and it >just won't break along the score line that I make. Any suggestions?????? My other half and fellow "Trekker," looking over my shoulder, says in his best Klingon voice: "PHASER." But seriously: Glass saw... Or as a last resort, take it to a commercial glazier... BTW, I spent a very enjoyable day today working with Lenore on a good-sized pair of leaded glass geometric transom panels. This in addition to 2 days a week at Christie's as needed. "Employment" is sneaking up on me The little voice in the back of my head says maybe I should hang out a shingle saying something like: STAINED-GLASS ARTISAN FOR HIRE HAVE TOOLS, WILL TRAVEL (Hey Shakeel, EliZabeth, Elisabeth 'n' Toby, et al., need any help? reasonable rates, plus expenses, of course ) What the hey. It's close to midnight local time and I went straight to a rehearsal from work (for that matter, so did Christie......) I think I've been silly enough for one posting! Dr, Sparks, travelin' Witch Doctor with Great Big Tool Box ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 22:22:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:31:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.4317.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/12/98 3:09:55 AM, seaspray@mail.island.net wrote: >when trying to get that last little bit I often >end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. Are you pulling down on your grozers when you do your breaks? That puts a "shear force" on your glass that will indeed in effect pull shell-like chips off the "back side" of the glass. Instead of "pulling down" on your grozer handles, think of the lower jaw of the tool as a fulcrum and lever the handles in such a way that the lower jaw pushes *up*. (Or, put another way, think of it as "bending the outer edges of the glass in," exerting the force UP and slightly IN from the bottom instead of straight down from the top.) The upward pressure of the lower jaw breaks the glass, the same as with running pliers (where the convex "peak" or ridge in the lower jaw does the same thing) or the Morton Safety Break thang, where the little button under the score line presses up. Hope this attempt at an explanation makes sense. (It would be a whole lot easier to just draw a picture, but what the hey.) Seems to work for me (if I remember to do it, which I don't always...). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 22:34:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.203735.0> Precedence: bulk I tend to agree with Howard. I don't give my artwork to friends and family anymore either - they appreciate it a lot more when = they have to buy it. Of course, I make 100% of my living from art. I wouldn't expect my friends who are doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc. to provide their services for free either. Trading is always a possiblity on a moderate scale. On the other hand, I do garden as a hobby and have been known to give away a bouquet of flowers or a basket of vegetables. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 11 22:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Olies1@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: A question for the pros Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.203727.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christine- Well, I ran this by my husband who has 25 years of glass experience. His reply is he's never had much luck cutting glass that thick. It's just too hard to get even leverage for a good score. Have your glass supplier cut to size or think about an irregular free edge and have a monument company blast that for a moderate fee. Just a suggestion. Good luck. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 00:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: regrouping after first fair....help, I'm dying!!!! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.163155.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the strokes, I sure like this group. I do have a question for all you folks who do craft fairs on a regular basis. What do you do with your inventory between fairs. Do you keep it boxed up? What have you found to be the most successful way to organize your inventory? Do any of you keep a box full of "fair" supplies ready to go; and if so, what do you put in it. I am trying hard to get reorganized and ready for the next fair without totally destroying my home. In the past I would take my weekly inventory to the stores so I rarely had more than a weeks worth of work on hand. Our house got pretty crowded before the fair I just did. I don't want to go through all that again. I am a person who does best when things are organized although I am not great at keeping things organized while I work. I tend to drive my husband nuts. He hates it when I cook cause the kitchen is a mess. Of course we don't have that problem very often cause I hardly ever cook. I think the last time was oh maybe two months ago! I am pretty spoiled I do have to admit. Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 00:25:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" Subject: Re: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug11.163342.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more > > >Howard, I disagree with you in a sense on this one. I have been the >recipient of 2 beautiful stained glass fairys from a dear friend of mine >recently. They were given freely from the heart. And I appreciated them >very much. Alex sent this stepping stone he made to his cousin, which >I'm sure he felt would appreciate it. > >The recipient in this case yes received the gift of artwork for "free", >but it definitely had value, the human nature value we call giving. I >always give my family and friends my artwork, heck they are the first >ones I try new ideas on! And do they love receiving gifts, you bet! > >See you, > >Pam *sm* Not only that, I give gifts to friends and family and most times I end up with a lot of orders from them for gifts they need for others. I find gift giving of my glass has an additional reward...... advertising. Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 01:08:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: regrouping after first fair....help, I'm dying!!!! Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug11.233456.0> Precedence: bulk Cheryl wrote: >I do have a question for all you folks who do >craft fairs on a regular basis. What do you do >with your inventory between fairs. Do you keep >it boxed up? =A0 What have you found to be the >most successful way to organize your >inventory? I do fused glass jewelry, so it's small and easier to manage. Yes, I do keep things ready to go for the next show. About 1 hr. before the show is over I check everything and re-stock my display panels so they are ready for the next show. If I make something new that I want to display, I put it in a separate bag and hang it up right at the next show. >Do any of you keep a box full of >"fair" supplies ready to go; and if so, what do >you put in it. Absolutely. I have one of those big Rubbermaid "tubs" with a lid that has everything I need in it... tablecloths, booth drapes, covers for my display racks, "wet ones", "Glass-wipes", and the always useful duct tape. I also have an attache case that has my receipt books, resale tax cert., change box, calculator, tax tables, bank deposit slips (I fill those out as I get checks, right at the show), mailing list form, inventory sheets. business cards, etc. I even have a special wallet that I keep stocked with paper money "change"... i.e. singles, fives, tens, etc Hope this is helpful, Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 06:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A question for the pros Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199808121248.IAA03712@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Christine, You will save yourself alot of aggravation if you just make a phone call to a local glass and mirror shop and ask if they would cut it for you. And while you are there tell them what you do and if you are looking for clients ...............ask them if they ever get a request for etching would they refer them to you. Or if they have the need for it themselves you could help them out. Good way to start a relationship and learn alot more about the types of glass out there. my best, pj >I just found out about this list when I was at a glass shop the other day and >they told me that someone here may have the answer to my question. I want to >do some carving on some thick plate glass and I am having a devil of a time >getting it cut to size. I am trying to cut some 3/8 in" thick glass and it >just won't break along the score line that I make. Any suggestions?????? Any >and all help is really appreciated. >Christine >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 06:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199808121313.JAA04713@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Well I half agree with Howard and Dani, We also make 100 % of our living from art. And we don't give away our work anymore to friends or relatives. The have more than enough. We do sometimes give special pieces to exceptional clients We give pieces to auctions, charities and fundraisers for causes that are important to us. And for those special architects.................certificates to a wonderful restaurant What ever you do give away does come back to you!! And more. my best, pj >I tend to agree with Howard. I >don't give my artwork to friends >and family anymore either - they >appreciate it a lot more when = > >they have to buy it. Of course, I >make 100% of my living from art. >I wouldn't expect my friends who >are doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc. >to provide their services for free >either. Trading is always a possiblity >on a moderate scale. > >On the other hand, I do garden as >a hobby and have been known >to give away a bouquet of flowers >or a basket of vegetables. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 07:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: regrouping after first fair....help, I'm dying!!!! Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:26:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.13261.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/12/98 8:16:48 AM, bird_cage@email.msn.com wrote: >I do have a question for all you folks who do craft fairs on a regular >basis. What do you do with your inventory between fairs. Do you keep it >boxed up? While I can't speak directly to the issue of craft fairs, experience from my "other career" as a freelance pro choral singer and administrator of a professional chorus may apply (assuming you're going to be hitting the road regularly). In a nutshell: KEEP YOUR BAGS PACKED! and try as much as possible to leave your "store" inventory where it is. I have "gig bags" for each of my regular gigs (church and 2 others) as well as a couple of other gig bags of recording equipment, and they stay packed and ready all the time and stacked up neatly (I hope) in an out-of-the-way-but- easily-accessible corner. In the same way, you can keep a gig bag packed for the general "administrative" supplies you'll need for a show. Thrift/consignment/resale shops are a great place to get tote bags, softside luggage, etc.... not to mention old glassware and other "raw materials" :-) If possible, invest some of your profits from the show in several collapsible crates for transporting your inventory. There are several styles (including some with lids), and the best place to get them is a big office supply like Staples, OfficeMax, et al. While you're there, pick up a monster box of bubble wrap :-) If your inventory includes a bunch of suncatchers or other small flat items, pick up several of those 30-pocket accordian-file things too. They usually fit inside a collapsible crate. Then fold a piece of bubble wrap around each item and slip it into a file pocket. When you set up, you can collapse the crates and pocket files and stash them under a table (and of course, the stack of empties is really easy to carry once you've sold your $1200 worth of goodies!). Joan's suggestion of Rubbermaid bins with lids is a good one too - watch your local K-Mart for their Rubbermaid sales! If you go with regular cardboard boxes, check with the folks at a local print shop who are usually glad to give away all those boxes-with-lids that reams of paper come in. They're durable and stackable and you can't beat the price (but the empties aren't as neat and tidy to deal with, oh well). Speaking of durable... when I "cleaned out" the 75-cents-a-pound glass at the local supplier's "moving sale" a few months ago, she also gave me 3 of the wooden crates that "rack packs" of one-off glass come in, and one 2-by-2-foot- by-8" crate. Set them up on heavy-duty wheels from the local hardware store, and now I have some terrific rolling bins for supplies (the 2 by 2 foot bin rolls out from under one of my workbenches and holds half-sheets of glass). I think I've rambled enough. Gotta go to work anyway... Dr. Sparks, Witch Doctor and Perpetual Roadie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 08:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.62818.0> References: <<199808120122.SAA05594@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Hi. Due to the recent grozing discussion, I've been trying to get better at > using my grozers...however when trying to get that last little bit I often > end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. > This happens most often on an inside curve, and often extends into the piece > itself beyond the cutting line, and I end up having to recut the whole > piece. When this happens grozing is definitely NOT LABOUR saving!!! > > Since I'm largely self-taught I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong > with my technique, are my pliers worn out or what? Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's why i kept recommending the grinder, because grozing tends to do that. grozing is'nt meant for finer detail, it's mainly meant for general chunks... i'll still always prefer the grinder. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 08:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Unusual comments about work Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.64547.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Alex Gacic" >Anyone else get any unusual comments about their work? < I really, really hate the "Is this real glass or is it plastic?" comment.= It's usually some Spectrum glass they are looking at. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 08:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.64424.0> References: <<1998Aug11.203735.0>> Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > I tend to agree with Howard. I > don't give my artwork to friends > and family anymore either - they > appreciate it a lot more when = > > they have to buy it. Of course, I > make 100% of my living from art. > I wouldn't expect my friends who > are doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc. > to provide their services for free > either. Trading is always a possiblity > on a moderate scale. > > On the other hand, I do garden as > a hobby and have been known > to give away a bouquet of flowers > or a basket of vegetables. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass however i've found that giving out some for free can promote sales. sometimes they'll buy some stuff from you, using their gift as a free sample of sorts. however this technique sometimes backfires when they stunned about the price. the other day my grandmother said she was in teh electrical store and saw some glass lamps. she was shocked at the price $300! but they were imported so it was ok. i guess the public is more impressed when someone says imported and compares it to a wine. but we here know what imported lamps means... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 08:47:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: A question for the pros Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 07:50:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Aug12.05854.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Olies1@aol.com wrote: > I just found out about this list when I was at a glass shop the other day and > they told me that someone here may have the answer to my question. I want to > do some carving on some thick plate glass and I am having a devil of a time > getting it cut to size. I am trying to cut some 3/8 in" thick glass and it > just won't break along the score line that I make. Any suggestions?????? Any > and all help is really appreciated. > Christine > ---- i heard an interesting way to cut thick glass on the rec.crafts.glass newsgroup. it was for 1.5" glass, so would have to be adjusted a little bit for 3/8" glass. run a score like normal. take a hammer and chisel. lightly tap on the top of the score with the chisel whilst someone else uses a propane torch underneath to heat up the glass in the very local area of the score (only a few seconds at most). the crack ran right through the glass. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 09:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re:Re:stepping stone opinion Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:50:29 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug12.145029.0> Precedence: bulk I am very shocked by rhe lack of knowledge of true human nature. When you give something you do not look for reward, you look into your self and give that gift from your heart, to recieve something in return is only a bonus. If you are truly giving it, than you will always recieve much much more than you think the gift was worth. Giving fuels the gift in ourselves for creation, and that power to create is given back to you many times over. When I come up with something new, I give it to someone special, if they love it, then I will make more and sell them, if not than I don't get mad, I just make something new. So I get back honest and true critisism of my work. This can sometimes be my gift in return. Heck what would this world be like if the simple innocent act of giving was not possible. I really think that ideas, and the passion for creation would diminish. I have to agree with Pam on this one. Maybe I am just too young to have been burned by the practice of giving, but so far I have recieved much more than ever intended from the simple act of giving, from my heart. If I need to sell things, then I will just be careful not to give too many things away...(I need to learn this,hehe)...but I will never believe that someone is not going to respect my work because they recieved it from the pure act of selflessness and friendship. This has really hit me in the head this morning and I had to spout here so anyway, I am off to work. See you, Scott *sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 09:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 08:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Aug12.62818.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > Hi. Due to the recent grozing discussion, I've been trying to get better at > using my grozers...however when trying to get that last little bit I often > end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. > This happens most often on an inside curve, and often extends into the piece > itself beyond the cutting line, and I end up having to recut the whole > piece. When this happens grozing is definitely NOT LABOUR saving!!! > > Since I'm largely self-taught I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong > with my technique, are my pliers worn out or what? Any suggestions? actually, i think you're trying too hard and taking too large a chunk off at once. try grozing off smaller pieces. think of it as crushing the very edge and not pulling off pieces. most of what you want to see on your workbench is large granules, almost dust. like almost everything else, it takes lots of practice to do correctly. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 10:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: give-aways/to: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.12945.0> Precedence: bulk Over the last 5 or 6 years I only have done larger shades. My dangling a $3,000.00 and higher shade as a hook to get "relatives" or friends to order one is a VERY long shot! Giving small items away is a lot more effective and probably affordable, both in time and material. I of course will give stuff away for free (gifts) just not my glass work. I do not believe that everything from a to z needs to be rewarded with a gift, so a "gift" from me may even STILL mean something for at least an HOUR after it has been received. (cynical ain't I?) One of my hobbies/advocation/mind-expanding/and income source is the stockmarket....Currently studying options/calls I have "helped" friends with NON-PAYING/FREE advice as how I would invest, were I they. (PS...IMHO, the downward trend of the last few weeks is a GOOD time to buy). This advice does take time and does my time have any value....order a lamp and find out! I have given away time, perhaps the most valuable commodity there is. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 10:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:05:53 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk There are gifts and there are *GIFTS*! I think most of us who do glass primarily as a hobby have given away lots of relatively small stuff to friends and family. But when you make your living at it-especially making large panels and exquisite lamps (Howard), it's another matter. I made a large panel as a gift for my brother's 25th wedding anniversary, but I made sure he knew what it was worth Told him how I asked the owner of the studio (where I hang out every Thursday evening) how he'd price it if he was to offer it for sale in his shop--and how stunned I was by his response! Sure got that point across.... Although it never crossed my mind beforehand, the little gift items (mostly made from scraps) have generated some orders. Great! On the subject of ignorant comments, my mother asked me to make a little something for a fund-raising auction for their local (volunteer) fire department. I made a 9" (+/-) round panel of a goldfish with some left-over bullseye scraps and sent it to her. A couple of weeks later I asked how the auction went. "Oh, fine" she said evasively. Took a little persistence on my part but I finally pried the story out of her. When nobody bid on it, she thought she'd start things going by bidding $10....and she took it back home for $10. She was too embarrassed to tell me. My sister saw it and HAD to have it, so she gave Mom $10 and took it home. So the fire dept. got $10 and my sister got a bargain. (I told mom next time forget the glass--I'll just send the fire dept. $10!) Live and learn--I thought it was all kind of amusing. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 11:07:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting thick glass Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808121708.KAA17401@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Christine, Thick glass can be a bear to cut!!!!! Some folks use a dry cut for thick glass, with a steel wheel cutter. I still use my metal runners for up to 1/2" glass and then I go to a crossbow style "thing" for 3/4" glass. A good glazing supply company will carry it, but it's pricey! Had mine made in a mill. If you want me to look it up, please email me. Smiles, Cindy PS...Hi guys, just got back from holidays....broke 2 fishing rods in less than one week:):)....salmon as big as boats, chuckle!!! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 11:15:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: calling Kathi Poyneer Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.19351.0> Precedence: bulk Please excuse me using bungi rather than emailing Kathi individually, but when she gave us her new website address at http://members.aol.com/misglas/index.htm a while ago I bookmarked it to look at later and didn't keep her original message with her email address. Kathi - your site is well laid out and interesting and well worth a visit. However I noticed that each time I moved to a new page my computer tried to access my floppy disc drive. I discovered it was looking for a gif file - A:\emailcat.gif - which showed up on the last page as a missing picture. If you check the html for the last page you should be able to change the reference to wherever this file is stored. Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 11:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Non glass Fw: Why it is great to be a guy Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.34145.0> Precedence: bulk Thought this was a kick and wanted to share it Hope I don't offend any of you guys...... just thought this was funny Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott bird_cage@msn.com >> >>Subject: FW: Men >>>> So true so true. >>>> >>>> Why It's Great To Be a Guy >>>> >>>> Phone conversations last 30 seconds >>>> >>>> You know useful stuff about tanks and airplanes >>>> >>>> A 5-day vacation requires only one suitcase >>>> >>>> Bathroom lines are 80% shorter >>>> >>>> You can open all your own jars >>>> >>>> Old friends don't give you crap if you've lost or gained >>>> weight >>>> >>>> When clicking thru the channels you don't have to stop >>>> on every shot of someone crying >>>> >>>> You don't have to lug a bag of "necessary" items with >>>> you everywhere you go >>>> >>>> You can go to the bathroom alone >>>> >>>> Your last name stays put >>>> >>>> You can leave a hotel room bed unmade >>>> >>>> You can kill your own food >>>> >>>> The garage is all yours >>>> >>>> You get extra credit for the slightest act of >>>> thoughtfulness >>>> >>>> You see the humor in "Terms of Endearment" >>>> >>>> You never have to clean the toilet >>>> >>>> You can be showered and ready in 10 minutes >>>> >>>> Wedding plans take care of themselves >>>> >>>> If someone forgets to invite you to something, they can >>>> still be your friend >>>> >>>> Your underwear costs $7.50 for a pack of 3 >>>> >>>> None of your co-workers have the power to make you cry >>>> >>>> You don't have to shave below your neck >>>> >>>> You don't have to curl up next to some big, hairy guy >>>> every night >>>> >>>> If you're 34 and single, no one notices >>>> >>>> Chocolate is just another snack >>>> >>>> You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger seat >>>> >>>> Flowers fix everything >>>> >>>> You never have to worry about other's feelings >>>> >>>> Three pair of shoes are more than enough >>>> >>>> You can say anything and not worry about what people >>>> think >>>> >>>> You can whip your shirt off on a hot day >>>> >>>> Car mechanics tell you the truth >>>> >>>> You don't give a flip if someone doesn't notice your new >>>> haircut >>>> >>>> You can watch a game in silence for hours without your >>>> buddy thinking "he must be mad at me" >>>> >>>> One mood, all the time >>>> >>>> You can admire Clint Eastwood without having to starve >>>> yourself to look like him >>>> >>>> Same work........more pay >>>> >>>> Gray hair and wrinkles add character >>>> >>>> Wedding dress $2000, Tux rental 100 bucks >>>> >>>> You don't care if someone is talking behind your back >>>> >>>> You don't pass on the desert and then mooch off someone >>>> else's >>>> >>>> If you retain water, it is in a canteen >>>> >>>> The remote is yours and yours alone >>>> >>>> You need not pretend you're "freshening up" when you go >>>> to the bathroom >>>> >>>> If you don't call your buddy when you said you would, he >>>> won't tell your friends you've changed >>>> >>>> If another guy shows up at the party in the same outfit, >>>> you might become lifelong buddies >>>> >>>> The occasional well-rendered belch is practically >>>> expected >>>> >>>> If something mechanical didn't work, you can bash it with >>>> a hammer and throw it across the room >>>> >>>> New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet >>>> >>>> You think the idea of punting that small, ankle-biting >>>> dog is funny >>>> >>Lauri >>(253)752.5011 voice >>(253)756.7963 fax >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 12:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:Stepping stone opinion/more Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.112014.0> Precedence: bulk Well, pj, you're right about the giving. You know we see eye to eye on donations for worthy charities - but, the stuff to families and friends we've stopped doing. There's something about seeing an oil painting you gave to your sister-in-law for Christmas being used as a door barrier to keep the new puppy in the back bedroom... well, maybe I'll use that time and energy to make a saleable item... and then sell it and use the proceeds for a gift that the recepient might like more. Like a gift certificate from Wal-Mart. (Who SAID that?!!! Shame on me.) Okay, but I didn't use the quote about casting pearls before swine! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 13:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: give-aways/to: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.11207.0> Precedence: bulk Howard- I think you've hit it right on the head - is what you're giving away your life's work or your hobby? I give lots of big glass things to charities that I support, but that's = as much advertising cost as donation. I rarely give art of any kind (my own) as a gift. I may buy another artist's art to give as a gift. When I made my living as a public accountant, I didn't do free tax returns either. I would suspect most of us feel about the same way. If it's a = hobby it's pretty easy to give away, if it's our work (whatever that might be) we expect to get paid for it. The very best thing, of course, is getting paid to do = what you love! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 15:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug12.75413.0> References: <<1998Aug11.133021.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: I pretty much believe as Howard does about giving away stained glass gifts. There are times when you know someone is appreciative but there are other times when you are unsure. To me one of the saddest things is to see a piece of stained glass at a garage sale with a $1 or less value to something a person spent hours working on. When I see these I am tempted to buy them just because. I worked with a woman who knew I did stained glass and she frequently brought broken panels to me for repair. One she had paid $3 for it. It had some large red faceted jewels in it that one pays $5 each to buy. It was only after I charged her the "real cost of repair" that she quit going to thrift stores. I recently bought a panel lamp at a thrift store...the lamp was broken but the base was a steal at $10. I rarely give stained glass as gifts...to some I know will appreciate it yet, but these are few. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 16:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: regrouping after first fair....help, I'm dying!!!! Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:38:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.143847.0> References: <<1998Aug11.163155.0>> Precedence: bulk Doug Parrott wrote: > Thanks for the strokes, > > I sure like this group. > > I do have a question for all you folks who do craft fairs on a regular > basis. What do you do with your inventory between fairs. Do you keep it > boxed up? What have you found to be the most successful way to organize > your inventory? Do any of you keep a box full of "fair" supplies ready to > go; and if so, what do you put in it. > The way we box it up after one fair is the way we keep it between shows. I have some large plastic cases and lots of bubble pack. i do keep things together...i.e., all frames are packed together, etc. The boxes and set up are in the garage (used to keep it in the basement, but it's easier to pack the car this way) The stopping stones are in a rack behind the garage. Yes, my supplies are all in a box, too, and kept with the glass. I really only have things hanging in my windows when I'm making new stuff for the next show...(pretty sad, eh?) But at least I never get tired of the stained glass in my windows as it rotates. i expect to start making new stuff after I get back from Warner-Criv, since I expect to have lots of new glass and maybe new toys! Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 16:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Kaye Sodt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.151314.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kaye- Boy, do I know how you feel about those auction prices! The "Carmen" window on our web site was a donated piece to the Opera Guild when they presented "Carmen" last summer. It went for $170!! I was just sick after we spent over a week on the thing! Now I give $500 Gift Certificates for custom glass - that way I get to meet the customer, they know how much my work is worth, and I have the chance of maybe selling them some more glass. It works much better. And it's a whole lot easier on the ego!;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 17:49:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jbenner From: jbenner@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: UNappreciated gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.155150.0> Precedence: bulk HI, I'm a lurker for my hubby. He does the glass work and I do fiber stuff. This discussion is the same as we had on the fibernet list. Ungrateful people. Ignorant people. I spin my own wool direct from sheep fleece. Pay a pretty penny for the fleece, then wash it, dye it, card it and spin it. Then need to knit it into something. SIL wanted a large afghan. I used Kmart yarn cause she doesn't take care of stuff. Next year I found the afghan being used as a dogs bed. This year I made her a bedjacket from real good wool that was storebought. I'm an idiot what can I say? It too has been discarded, yet, she continually asks me for a handspun handknit full length coat for when they move to Florida! Yeah, don't hold your breath. Same SIL, my DH's sister, now wants a stained glass hanging lamp for her kitchen down there. I don't think she'll appreciate it and have doubts if it will make it the two years till they move or end up as you say at a yard sale. The only people we ever give anything to now are other artists. I have a friend who makes beautiful quilts. She has gifted me with several wall hangings. In return we gave her hanging butterflies which she loves, and for Christmas this year dh intends to make her one of those panels that are quilt block designs. SHE will appreciate it and she isn't even family! At least we all understand each other!!! Judy Benner jbenner@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 18:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199808130018.BAA03090@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Peggy Trust you.....! I am probably a living proof of your statement. One of my proudest glass gifts is the blue oval you yourself made and set in gold and brought to me as a present. You searched high and low.... I searched high and low for a suitable chain for it. Well... I found one.. eventually. Initially, I just couldn't be parted from it; now I wear it when I feel good about everything around me. I should probably have said this to you off-Bungi... I am still working on my mail to you. Creating, making and giving a gift is a very special thing; it's not trivial, it's not cheap. Design, create , make and give it ONLY when making it is really quite special and.... receiving it is even more special STILL. Money, promotion, advertising is one thing. Donating something for charity, or for an auction in aid of a charity is another thing. Making something as a GIFT is a different ball-game. Unless every single dimension of the gift thus made and given is totally appreciated and valued by the recipient, you are better advised to go out and purchase an object made by another Craftsman. Expertise probably just the same, value just as much, time spent also probably just as much, but your emotions poured into the item made , a little bit more detached, just that little bit less fragile and vulnerable and commercially you have paid the price in green notes for a fair exchange for something someone else has made. Hobbyists, newbies and tender new professionals; please don't rely on promotion obtained for giving "freebies" Your time, sweat, energies and tears are a brutal commodity in the battle of getting something for nothing. You deserve better!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Peggy Johnsen wrote (snip) > > I rarely give stained glass as gifts...to some I know will appreciate it > yet, but these are few. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 18:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.161135.0> References: <<1998Aug12.75413.0>> Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Hi Everyone: I pretty much believe as Howard does about giving away > stained glass gifts. There are times when you know someone is > appreciative but there are other times when you are unsure. To me one of > the saddest things is to see a piece of stained glass at a garage sale > with a $1 or less value to something a person spent hours working on. > When I see these I am tempted to buy them just because. > > I worked with a woman who knew I did stained glass and she frequently > brought broken panels to me for repair. One she had paid $3 for it. It > had some large red faceted jewels in it that one pays $5 each to buy. It > was only after I charged her the "real cost of repair" that she quit going > to thrift stores. > > I recently bought a panel lamp at a thrift store...the lamp was broken but > the base was a steal at $10. > > I rarely give stained glass as gifts...to some I know will appreciate it > yet, but these are few. > Peggy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when i give a gift, it's always simple. a basic box, a suncatcher, nothing that takes any more then 2 hours to make. nothing that i have to buy special glass, a base, jewels, etc. i'll use shells, and rocks though. i generally give when i feel like it, and when i have the time. they would have to be really, really special to get something very complex. but then agian if you go back in time and read about some of tiffany's gifts, they were very complex. some of them i can't believe that he gave it away... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 19:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.175617.0> References: <<1998Aug12.155150.0>> Precedence: bulk jbenner@juno.com wrote: > > HI, > > I'm a lurker for my hubby. He does the glass work and I do fiber stuff. > This discussion is the same as we had on the fibernet list. Ungrateful > people. Ignorant people. I spin my own wool direct from sheep fleece. Pay > a pretty penny for the fleece, then wash it, dye it, card it and spin it. > Then need to knit it into something. SIL wanted a large afghan. I used > Kmart yarn cause she doesn't take care of stuff. Next year I found the > afghan being used as a dogs bed. This year I made her a bedjacket from > real good wool that was storebought. I'm an idiot what can I say? It too > has been discarded, yet, she continually asks me for a handspun handknit > full length coat for when they move to Florida! Yeah, don't hold your > breath. Same SIL, my DH's sister, now wants a stained glass hanging lamp > for her kitchen down there. I don't think she'll appreciate it and have > doubts if it will make it the two years till they move or end up as you > say at a yard sale. The only people we ever give anything to now are > other artists. I have a friend who makes beautiful quilts. She has gifted > me with several wall hangings. In return we gave her hanging butterflies > which she loves, and for Christmas this year dh intends to make her one > of those panels that are quilt block designs. SHE will appreciate it and > she isn't even family! At least we all understand each other!!! > > Judy Benner > jbenner@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for the lamp, or even the jacket, i'd charge her for the materials. tell her it's getting expensive or the like. then we'll see how serios it is. my mother paints, acrylic, oil, etc. shen once gave a painting to my aunt. my aunt wanted to know if she could change the coloring so it would match her daughters room! and in another instance she wanted her to make a painting for her sister in law, so the sister in law would have a house warming present for her friend... it's like they think you enjoy making the stuff for them, and that their doing you a favor... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 19:58:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: jones-Robert To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug12.1802.0> References: <<1998Aug12.112014.0>> Precedence: bulk I have found a novel way to get relatives to appreciate my glass work more. When they ask for a piece I design something I think they will like, but that is also something I would do even if it wasn't for them. Then I get their approval/interest. Then I drag their ass to the glass store and they pay for the glass, solder and a new cutter. Then everytime they ask when they are going to get their piece I tell them I am still working on it. After about 4 months I tell them it is almost ready. This holds em off for about 2 more months. Now they think I have been working on it for 6 months. When I finally give it to them, they know how much the materials cost and think I have put in a tremendous amount of time. Actually it was done two weeks after we bought the glass. If they thought it was easy, all I would do is make piese for my family. My glass is a hobby, but I like it in MY house, not theirs. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 20:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Price formula Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:32:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug12.163234.0> Precedence: bulk Somewhere I think I saw a formula for pricing stained glass. Had something to do with the size, number of pieces and cost of materials and time required. We are trying to determine how to price the panels in our cabinet doors. Since we are still fairly new at this our time is much greater than, hopefully, it will be when we have more practice. As a woodworker, my husband is very good at cutting correct angles on came and glass. I, on the other hand like cutting curves making pretty pictures. A bit like Jack Sprat and wife. :-} We are nearing retairment age and if we can make this stained glass fly, we can turn the cabinet doors over to the boys and concentrate on the eaiser glass work. Nelda from Texas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 21:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "fibers" , "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Price formula Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 23:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: <199808130335.XAA21610@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Nelda writes: >Somewhere I think I saw a formula for pricing stained glass. Had >something to do with the size, number of pieces and cost of materials >and time required. Nelda, here's what you saw in the archives. As for your doubts about pricing, Art Glass World gives the following specifications on their Web site: $1.25 - $1.50 USD per piece depending upon the difficulty of the cuts/size of the pieces PLUS $50-$70 USD per square foot depending upon the type/expense for the glass being used So a simple all straight-cut, 12" square, 10-piece panel made of something like Spectrum cathedral or plain glue-chip would be priced very simply at $62.50 USD retail (no tax added yet) $1.25 $50.00 X10 pcs X 1 sf ----- ------ 12.50 + 50.00 = $62.50 Alternately, the same panel using all tightly curved cuts, 20 pcs., and Lambert's reproduction glass would run about $100.00 instead - $1.50 $70.00 X20 X 1 ----- ------ 30.00 + 70.00 = $100.00 This runs pretty close to the national average for pricing from what I have heard, but you have to also take into account your rural/metropolitan area, per capita income, marketability. etc. It's juast about what is charged for quality work in my area too. Hope this helps you out some, and please don't think that I'm getting on you or anything-I just want to see my fellow glassaholics do well and succeed! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 22:00:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "jones-Robert" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 23:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199808130327.XAA21119@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote: >I have found a novel way to get relatives to appreciate my glass work >more. When they ask for a piece I design something I think they will >like, but that is also something I would do even if it wasn't for them. >Then I get their approval/interest. Then I drag their ass to the glass >store and they pay for the glass, solder and a new cutter. Then everytime >they ask when they are going to get their piece I tell them I am still >working on it. After about 4 months I tell them it is almost ready. This >holds em off for about 2 more months. Now they think I have been working >on it for 6 months. When I finally give it to them, they know how much >the materials cost and think I have put in a tremendous amount of time. >Actually it was done two weeks after we bought the glass. If they thought >it was easy, all I would do is make piese for my family. My glass is a >hobby, but I like it in MY house, not theirs. I like that a lot, Bob, particularly the part about the new cutter! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 12 22:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: glass chat reminder list Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:38:03 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.4383.0> Precedence: bulk Kindly remove my name from the "stained glass chat reminder list" and keep my name on bungi only. Thank You. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 04:16:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Price formula Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:25:42 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.102542.0> Precedence: bulk Do many of you round up ? $80.00 vs $79.95 Suzan PS. Learning a great deal :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 04:53:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: fibers@wcnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Price formula Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:18:30 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.111830.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Nelda, I have heard of just 1 basic price for kitchen cabinet glass inserts: $75 per piece. Don't know why, but that is the figure I have heard from a few trusted people. I believe that too would be the price I would charge. Hope this helps. Lenore from PA. Good luck! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 05:25:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re pricing Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:52:29 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.75229.0> Precedence: bulk our formula for pricing windows and doors panels is as follows: Variable $150 to 250 per sq metre (depends on number of curves, therefore difficulty and waste) plus $1.50 to $2.00 per piece to cut plus %10 of the above total for design Note those prices are in Australian dollars I got the formula from an old hand when i first got infected with the glass bug and it served us well ever since. Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ^ /^\ . /\ "V" /__\ I O o //..\\ I . \].`[/ I /l\/j\ (]| . O /. ~~ ,\/I . \\L__j^\/I o \/--v} I o . | | I _________ | | I c(` ')o | l I \. ,/ _/j L l\_! _//^---^\\_ >:< gandalf@rivendel.com >:< gandalf@lorien.umd.edu >:< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 06:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Price formula Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 08:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199808131221.IAA23541@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Do many of you round up ? > >$80.00 vs $79.95 > >Suzan > Yes, absolutely! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 07:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Gerard Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------48B40421CEB087987C0D948F" Subject: Re: re pricing Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.61927.0> References: <<1998Aug14.75229.0>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------48B40421CEB087987C0D948F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerard. . . Do you really mean square metre? That's 10.5 square feet and even at $250 it amounts to less than $25 a square foot. But I don't know the value of Australian dollars, so maybe this is not so low. Nadine > our formula for pricing windows and doors panels is as follows: > Variable $150 to 250 per sq metre (depends on number of curves, > therefore > difficulty and waste) > plus $1.50 to $2.00 per piece to cut > plus %10 of the above total for design > Note those prices are in Australian dollars > I got the formula from an old hand when i first got infected with the > glass > bug and it served us well ever since. > Harlequin > www.surf.to/harlquin > ^ > /^\ . > /\ "V" > /__\ I O o > //..\\ I . > \].`[/ I > /l\/j\ (]| . O > /. ~~ ,\/I . > \\L__j^\/I o > \/--v} I o . > | | I _________ > > | | I c(` > ')o > | l I \. ,/ > > _/j L l\_! > _//^---^\\_ > >:< gandalf@rivendel.com >:< gandalf@lorien.umd.edu > >:< > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------48B40421CEB087987C0D948F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Nadine Beth Schneider Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Nadine Beth Schneider n: Schneider;Nadine Beth org: Nadine's Folly Art Glass Studio email;internet: nadinesfolly@erols.com title: www.nadinesfolly.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------48B40421CEB087987C0D948F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 08:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:55:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.05513.0> Precedence: bulk My 23 year old daughter is involved in the Vista Program (Similar to the Peace Corp but domestic instead of abroad). Rob, one of the fellows that has worked with her for this past year came by our booth and was admiring a special wishing wand that I make. (It's a specialty item that really is quite original and that I am very proud of.) It was obvious that he appreciated all the time and imagination that goes into it. I also am very proud of the people my daughter works with. The caliber of young people involved in the program is wonderful. Well, to make a long story short as a going away present for Rob I reached over and grabbed one of the wands and handed it to him. I said it was a special gift for him to remember his friends here in Seattle. He was absolutely speechless. I have never, ever had anyone appreciate a gift more. After he walked away I actually cried. Later he told my daughter that I made his day and that he was very touched to receive a gift from someone who valued and loved their work as much as I do. (I may be a professional newbie but I value my time just as much as the next guy. When I give something to someone it is from my heart and I can't think of anything better to give than something that is part of me. If they don't appreciate it, it is their loss not mine. Just yesterday I was taking sometime off from my work when my neighbors 10 year old granddaughter asked if she could come over to see how I make S.G. She was absolutely enthralled with the craft. She drew up a pattern and I made it in glass. I wrote on the tag "designed by Chantel Anderson" She was thrilled as well as her grandparents and mother. It was a great bonding time. I really loved having the opportunity to share my passion with someone who had a million questions. I have received so many wonderful and appreciative thank you's from friends and relatives that receive my gifts. I pick and choose who I give it too. If they don't seem to appreciate it, then next time they don't get a gift of my heart from me. Just that simple. I feel that God blessed me with this talent and I want to share it with others. Can't think of a better way. And heck,....... if I get orders from it all the better. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 09:27:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Doug Parrott'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.75226.0> Precedence: bulk Nice story and I'm sure you were touched. Please tell us what a wishing = wand looks like. Thanks for sharing. Linda has worked with her for this past year came by our booth and was = admiring a special wishing wand that I make. (It's a specialty item = that really is quite original and that I am very proud of.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 09:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Doug Parrott" , Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:44:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.1448.0> Precedence: bulk Forgot to sign this...... Sorry if I stepped on toes..... but this subject is a passion of mine as well..... I guess I have always been someone who gives away my time and energy be it from working full time in special education and taking my free time to help with kids including bringing them into my home .... to working in the insurance industry and giving up a Saturday morning (I love to sleep in) to open the office so I can write up an application for someone who couldn't get in any other time. (I don't get overtime and it's not my company so there is no financial gain for me) Forgive me if I don't entirely understand how all of you feel about giving away part of you.......I am just the type of person who likes to give if I can. I've done the auction bit too and it is usually not appreciated so, if I'm asked to donate something it will be something that doesn't take a lot of time and energy. I've learned my lessons over the past 20 years! Cheryl (the professional newbie) The Glass Parrott -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: bungi group Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion >My 23 year old daughter is involved in the Vista Program (Similar to the >Peace Corp but domestic instead of abroad). Rob, one of the fellows that >has worked with her for this past year came by our booth and was admiring a >special wishing wand that I make. (It's a specialty item that really is >quite original and that I am very proud of.) It was obvious that he >appreciated all the time and imagination that goes into it. I also am very >proud of the people my daughter works with. The caliber of young people >involved in the program is wonderful. Well, to make a long story short as a >going away present for Rob I reached over and grabbed one of the wands and >handed it to him. I said it was a special gift for him to remember his >friends here in Seattle. He was absolutely speechless. I have never, ever >had anyone appreciate a gift more. After he walked away I actually cried. >Later he told my daughter that I made his day and that he was very touched >to receive a gift from someone who valued and loved their work as much as I >do. (I may be a professional newbie but I value my time just as much as >the next guy. When I give something to someone it is from my heart and I >can't think of anything better to give than something that is part of me. >If they don't appreciate it, it is their loss not mine. Just yesterday I >was taking sometime off from my work when my neighbors 10 year old >granddaughter asked if she could come over to see how I make S.G. She was >absolutely enthralled with the craft. She drew up a pattern and I made it >in glass. I wrote on the tag "designed by Chantel Anderson" She was >thrilled as well as her grandparents and mother. It was a great bonding >time. I really loved having the opportunity to share my passion with someone >who had a million questions. I have received so many wonderful and >appreciative thank you's from friends and relatives that receive my gifts. >I pick and choose who I give it too. If they don't seem to appreciate it, >then next time they don't get a gift of my heart from me. Just that >simple. I feel that God blessed me with this talent and I want to share it >with others. Can't think of a better way. > > >And heck,....... if I get orders from it all the better. > > > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 09:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808131608.JAA10059@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Recently I sandblasted a wizard mirror for a friends wife, and what she has done with it has me ill. I left the resist on the backside as my friend had wanted to paint the blasted areas. Well it's framed and hanging on the wall with the backside showing, with the resist still on. It looks just terrible. And she tells me that it's her mirror and she can do whatever she wants with it! Sadly I never even got any money for it, as they were down on their luck and I wanted to give it as a gift. Talk about a double kick in the butt. Is she ungrateful, ignorant or just plain stupid? This has me really upset and wondering if maybe I'm too thin skinned. Trying to smile on this subject. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 11:02:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 10:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199808131608.JAA10059@baby.vphos.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > I wanted to give it as a gift. > Talk about a double kick in the butt. > Is she ungrateful, ignorant or just plain stupid? This has me really upset > and wondering if maybe I'm too thin skinned. > Trying to smile on this subject. once you give it or sell it, it is no longer yours to do what you want with it. if someone wants to hang it in the dog house upside down and backwards, then it's their right to do so. did you give a gift to get something back, besides perhaps a thank you? if so, it wasn't a gift. however, the motto 'live and learn' comes into play, and if it were me, that person wouldn't see anything else from me. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 11:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:16:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:18:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199808131714.KAA06960@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk My two (Canadian) cents worth on this subject: If we choose to GIVE something away it is NO LONGER ours and what the recipient does with it isn't really any of our business. I've learned that there are people and organizations that I no longer give "parts of myself" to and those that I will continue to give to forever. The trick for me has been to learn which is which. Hopefully then no one will say "Too soon old, too late smart" about me. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 11:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Price formula Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.94215.0> Precedence: bulk We have a job right now that = includes kitchen cabinet doors at $300 each. There is no standard price for doors any more than there is a standard price for a window..... unless you offer one standard door design. But, you really have to look at labor and materials, too, otherwise you're shootin' yourself in the foot price- wise. And, if you're doing custom designs the price goes way up. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 11:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:45:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.17458.0> Precedence: bulk Ok lets say you have a nice design but its not square. Do you measure from the two wides points, and price it as if it were square? Or do we do the math and figure out actual square inches? Also lets say I want to add bevels that Ive had to order.. What would the mark up be on those??? And are they included in the per inch measurement? Thanks in advance Suzan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 12:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:UN appreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.4372.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk I have found this tread very interesting. As you can see by Howard's initial comment about giving that the whole can of worms has been opened. Very interesting. Cindy, now don't get me wrong here *s*. If you were to give truly from your heart, the compensation or reward materialistically or emotionally from the recipient wouldn't be an issue here. If you had an agreement say, for your labor, expenses and so forth regarding your friend and they didn't compensate you then you would definitely have an issue. And we all know how I let a "friend" affect my life. (Re:Nightmare)*LOL* But you say "Sadly I never even got any money for it, as they were down on their luck and I wanted to give it as a gift.". This leads me to believe that you wanted to give it as a gift and didn't want compensation for it. You go on to say "Is she ungrateful, ignorant or just plain stupid"? Now about the art the way it hangs, well maybe but it is hers now. You gave freely from your heart, right? So if you truly give from your heart you shouldn't let her ignorance of the art bother you. She may be ignorant about what you gave her in art work, but alot of people are if they aren't in our profession. Alot of people including myself, are ignorant about the unknown in life in general. That's the way I want it, that's what keeps me growing. Maybe the way it hangs, she loves it. It's hers, she can love it like that. Geez, my husband loves deer hunting, I can't stand it. But what hangs in our family room? A rack he acquired by hunting last season. That is art to him and a whole lot more. My older sister who lives in Santa Barbara. Can I afford to buy her gifts that her husband buys her? Nope, sorry I don't shop at Tiffanys in New York. The gifts I give her from my heart does she appreciate just as much, Yes! Gifts have no conditions put on them if they are from the heart. You have given me great advice since I have been here at bungi. But my advice to you would be when you want to give then give freely, openly and with honesty or don't give at all. You will just end up resenting what you have done. See you, Pam *sm* ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 13:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Charles Spitzer Subject: Re: A question for the pros Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:58:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.205842.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk In message , Charles Spitzer writes >Olies1@aol.com wrote: >> I just found out about this list when I was at a glass shop the other day and >> they told me that someone here may have the answer to my question. I want to >> do some carving on some thick plate glass and I am having a devil of a time >> getting it cut to size. I am trying to cut some 3/8 in" thick glass and it >> just won't break along the score line that I make. Any suggestions?????? Any >> and all help is really appreciated. >> Christine >> ---- > >i heard an interesting way to cut thick glass on the rec.crafts.glass >newsgroup. it was for 1.5" glass, so would have to be adjusted a little bit for >3/8" glass. > >run a score like normal. take a hammer and chisel. lightly tap on the top of >the score with the chisel whilst someone else uses a propane torch underneath >to heat up the glass in the very local area of the score (only a few seconds at >most). the crack ran right through the glass. > >regards, >charlie >--- Another variation I saw in a glaziers was to run the score, then put a thin line of alcohol spirit along the line and light it!! It does work for them. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 13:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Charles Spitzer Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:59:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.205958.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk In message , Charles Spitzer writes >Carol Swann wrote: >> Hi. Due to the recent grozing discussion, I've been trying to get better at >> using my grozers...however when trying to get that last little bit I often >> end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. >> This happens most often on an inside curve, and often extends into the piece >> itself beyond the cutting line, and I end up having to recut the whole >> piece. When this happens grozing is definitely NOT LABOUR saving!!! >> >> Since I'm largely self-taught I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong >> with my technique, are my pliers worn out or what? Any suggestions? > >actually, i think you're trying too hard and taking too large a chunk off at >once. try grozing off smaller pieces. think of it as crushing the very edge and >not pulling off pieces. most of what you want to see on your workbench is >large granules, almost dust. > >like almost everything else, it takes lots of practice to do correctly. > >regards, >charlie >--- Hear, Hear! this is exactly right (I wish I could have expressed it as well) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 13:34:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: grozing produces irregular shell breaks?? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.205225.0> References: <<199808120122.SAA05594@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199808120122.SAA05594@norm.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >Hi. Due to the recent grozing discussion, I've been trying to get better at >using my grozers...however when trying to get that last little bit I often >end up with a shell like irregular break on the bottom side of the glass. >This happens most often on an inside curve, and often extends into the piece >itself beyond the cutting line, and I end up having to recut the whole >piece. When this happens grozing is definitely NOT LABOUR saving!!! > One question. Are you crushing the glass when trying to groze? Grozing is a gentle action which should remove little bits of glass at a time. If you grip the glass too tightly, you will break a lot of glass uncontrollably, rather than a little controllably. Grozing might be thought of as a gentle rasping of the edges of the glass whether from above or below. Steve >Since I'm largely self-taught I have to wonder if I'm doing something wrong >with my technique, are my pliers worn out or what? Any suggestions? > >Thanks > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 14:05:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CBH861 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: AIDS ribbon Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:14:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.201410.0> Precedence: bulk While searching the many web pages on stained glass, I found a pattern for the AIDS ribbon. Unfornunately I did not bookmark the web site. Does anyone know where I can find the pattern? Thank you, Claire ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 14:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Cabinet Panels Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.122313.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BDC6D6.AB1AC040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very large cabinet manufacturer's list price for leaded glass panels = in their cabinet doors is $700.00 per door. This is generally = discounted by the dealer at time of sale to the end customer; but it = will give you an idea of pricing in the industry. It is of excellant = quality; but not designed for the customer. Arnold ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BDC6D6.AB1AC040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A very large cabinet manufacturer's = list price=20 for leaded glass panels in their cabinet doors is $700.00 per = door.  This=20 is generally discounted by the dealer at time of sale to the end = customer; but=20 it will give you an idea of pricing in the industry.  It is of = excellant=20 quality; but not designed for the customer.
 
Arnold
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BDC6D6.AB1AC040-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 14:53:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Olies1 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thanks for all of the help! Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:57:47 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug13.205747.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you one and all for all of the suggestions on how to cut the 3/8" thick glass. I am going to try some of the methods that you suggested and will let you know the outcome. I have some extra glass to play with so it won't cost me anything but some of my time. Thanks again. Christine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 15:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: pricing Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.65835.0> Precedence: bulk I do VERY few windows, so my desire to price them competitively (with what?) tends to be on the high side. I do not ENJOY doing the art work, either. I have a large ego when it comes to the quality of my work. I have done some IMPRESSIVE windows with color and weaving of glass into ribbons and curves and shadowing, too. Some pieces were smaller than a pencil eraser (remember those) and still had light showing. Not having to work cheap allows me to go "all out". Some of my shades may use 6 to 7 sq./ft. of glass and retail for $7,000 and up..how is that for a sq./ft. price. I start window pricing without having the exact size and pieces and art work handed to me at $300.00 PER SQUARE FOOT!!!!!!!! If it turns out to be a simple one (and why would I want that anyway) I can offer to reduce the price a bit. Of course you need to consider shipping/delivery/pickup/handling/ installation/art work and changes and glitches that often do come up. enjoy (cynically yours) H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 15:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: groziers not available Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:02:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.7238.0> Precedence: bulk The specific groziers, IMHO DO make a difference. I have been trying to find a very specific style of pliers that were around for a while and are no longer available. Perhaps they worked too well. They are called "fishlips" and of course IMPORTED! I am (selfishly) keeping the 6 I have for my self, but if they do turn up, I will apprise all of you. YES, I do sell stuff over the net. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard best lamps on the "net" enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 15:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.134324.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > I wanted to give it as a gift. > > Talk about a double kick in the butt. > > Is she ungrateful, ignorant or just plain stupid? This has me really upset > > and wondering if maybe I'm too thin skinned. > > Trying to smile on this subject. > > once you give it or sell it, it is no longer yours to do what you want with > it. if someone wants to hang it in the dog house upside down and backwards, > then it's their right to do so. did you give a gift to get something back, > besides perhaps a thank you? if so, it wasn't a gift. > > however, the motto 'live and learn' comes into play, and if it were me, that > person wouldn't see anything else from me. > > regards, > charlie > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've always felt that if they don't display it the way it was designed too, then they really don't care about it. i've made things for people, never to see them again. and of course they never saw anything from me again. they don't have to hang it over the mantle, or whip it out when they come. it can be on display somewhere and be cherished. i mentioned it before at another time. but i gave my aunt a gift for a baby type gift. it was meant to be as a keepsake, or as a gift when the child became old enough to know that it's fragile and to take care of it. well, the child used it to store her stick on earings, at about age 3-4. and it dropped on the floor. showing me that it's not a cherished type gift, just a play thing. when i came over, my aunt told be about the broken box, stating that it's a little broken and if i could fix it for her. i was imagining a broken hinge a chain, etc. she brought it out, the lid (both of them), broken, the back and one of the sides also broken. i gave her a price of at least $10.00 for the glass. she was shocked, to think she had to pay me to repair a gift that i made for her. as if it had some kind of lifetime warranty on it. that i would fix it for free, if she was clumsy enough to drop it or something. she finally gave in, and "snuck" me the money, as if it was a secret gift or something. i'm just glad that i was able to guess the price of the glass that was used. i used all of it. and it took about 7 hours to repair the box. hopefully now she has it on a higher shelf, and is treating it more like a treasure, instead of an egg beater, or the like... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 17:10:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: grozzing replies Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:13:14 -0700 Message-ID: <199808132213.PAA19319@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Thanks to you all who replied to my requests re: grozing or grousing as it may also be spelled. It appears that I am running into trouble by trying to break off the bits that occasionally hang out when a cut line doesn't break evenly, which it turns out is not grozzing. Real grozzing as it's been described to me by various members of the group...the nibbling away of fine bits of glass has always had as much appeal to me as the sound of fingernails on blackboards.... Never realized that's what grozzing really is (yes I remember someone demonstrating it to me once now)...and it's no wonder I never learned it!!! Thanks again for all the replies. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 17:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808132337.QAA20314@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the advise guys! I realize as a gift it's no longer mine and didn't mean to sound like I had wanted money.( I had spent alot of time on it...silly me) And it just hurts to think she'd do that. Like she didn't like what I had done, looked better backwards. But I realize now that "this thing" sits in the kitchen proudly! Much to my distaste...and can no longer look at. So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any more gifts... Smiles, Cindy And thanks again! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 18:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cabinet Panels Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.143439.0> References: <<1998Aug13.122313.0>> Precedence: bulk Why do I keep seeing this heading but never any mesage? Granny And PawPaw wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 18:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: swbell.net!crclark From: crclark@swbell.net To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cabinet Panels Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:36:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.113614.0> References: <<1998Aug13.122313.0>> Organization: BOY KOW KA KA Precedence: bulk Granny And PawPaw wrote: I jus luv yer stuf..........soooooo brief!!! Thx, C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 19:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:18:13 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug14.11813.0> Precedence: bulk >So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any >more >gifts... You know Cindy, I feel sorry for you , that you have been turned off by the gift of being able to give someone something. Maybe you should really analyze your next gift. If the person isn't gonna like it, then don't give it to them. This was mentioned before and I think it is absolutely necessary to know what the gift reciever likes. If you pay close attention and feel from your heart than you will never go wrong. I am very saddened by all of the comments about UNappreciated gifts that ended in, "well I am not gonna give anything away anymore." Do you think you will be happier? I bet not. The minute you stop giving is the second you stop recieving. I was very happy to hear from people that are still giving and they will give forever I believe. I also value everyones opinion though, even when I disagree.*s* I feel that the gift from all of you is the time you take to post these messages. I love this place! See you!!, Scott *sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 19:44:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Linda Campbell" Subject: Re: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.115330.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, The wishing wand is an unusual piece of art that just kinda happened. Here in Seattle there a business owned & operated by women (just thought I'd throw that in. No I am not a feminist!) Any way they make glass pieces from recycled glass and from recycled blown glass from local glass blowing studios. They have some very colorful hearts and stars. I wire wrap the hearts or stars to a copper tubing and solder on glass beaded work. The barrel usually has wire work along with glass nuggets. Also I attach some ribbons and a special poem. They seem to be a hit and are selling for about $50. Kinda fun to make and definetly one of a kind. It's nice to do when I need a break from S.G. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'Doug Parrott' Cc: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 8:48 AM Subject: RE: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion Nice story and I'm sure you were touched. Please tell us what a wishing wand looks like. Thanks for sharing. Linda has worked with her for this past year came by our booth and was admiring a special wishing wand that I make. (It's a specialty item that really is quite original and that I am very proud of.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 20:16:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 22:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: <199808140237.WAA08325@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Ok lets say you have a nice design but its not square. >Do you measure from the two wides points, and price >it as if it were square? Or do we do the math and figure out >actual square inches? Also lets say I want to add bevels >that Ive had to order.. What would the mark up be on those??? >And are they included in the per inch measurement? I think you can safely measure from the two widest points, since a piece "not square" is probably more work than a square one. Bevels - I'd mark them up 100%. And yes, I'd include them in the per inch measurement. You still have to grind, foil and solder them. Just my humble 2 cents of course! Anybody out there disagree, I'd like to know. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 21:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980813233202.006a656c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<199808132337.QAA20314@baby.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk That is a shame, and I really believe that you should rethink that decision....... I do what I want to do. When I give a gift I do it for me as much as for the recipient. Of course I have given gifts, stained glass pieces that cost me a lot of money and time as well as other things, that were not recieved as well as I thought they sould be. Having said that, I will continue to give gifts because I want to. And those that do not like or appreciate them will not influence me in a way that will deprive me of the pleasure of giving........... Don't let that happen to you either. Give when you want to, don't when you don't.......... Barbara At 04:37 PM 8/13/98 -0700, Cindy Pesonen wrote: >Thanks for the advise guys! >I realize as a gift it's no longer mine and didn't mean to sound like I had >wanted money.( I had spent alot of time on it...silly me) >And it just hurts to think she'd do that. Like she didn't like what I had >done, looked better backwards. >But I realize now that "this thing" sits in the kitchen proudly! >Much to my distaste...and can no longer look at. >So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any more >gifts... >Smiles, Cindy >And thanks again! > >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 23:10:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Granny And PawPaw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cabinet Panels Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.201439.0> References: <<1998Aug13.122313.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk All I get is blanks from this sender(s) also! Wonder what is happening?? Lee Granny And PawPaw wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 23:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Wishing wands Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:01:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.12146.0> Precedence: bulk I just went through my e-mail and was surprised to see that others asked about the wishing wands as well. The company is Bedrock Industries. No Fred and Wilma don't hang out there...... however as I told Pam, Maria, the owner does have rather hairy legs. Bedrock makes hearts, stars, icsicles, gorgeous glass paper weights, lots and lots of things. It is a rather fascinating place to visit. They also make mobiles from their pieces. I have taken some of my pieces in for them to see and they have put them into a gallery they have. From this exposure I picked up a wholesale client from a rather exclusive gift store in Seattle. They saw the wands and asked to buy them, in fact they ordered some of my mobiles site unseen. Really perked me up. Thanks for asking Cheryl The Glass Parrott Bird_cage@msn.com >Linda, > >The wishing wand is an unusual piece of art that just kinda happened. Here >in Seattle there a business owned & operated by women (just thought I'd >throw that in. No I am not a feminist!) Any way they make glass pieces >from recycled glass and from recycled blown glass from local glass blowing >studios. They have some very colorful hearts and stars. I wire wrap the >hearts or stars to a copper tubing and solder on glass beaded work. The >barrel usually has wire work along with glass nuggets. Also I attach some >ribbons and a special poem. They seem to be a hit and are selling for >about $50. Kinda fun to make and definetly one of a kind. It's nice to do >when I need a break from S.G. > >Cheryl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Campbell >To: 'Doug Parrott' >Cc: 'glass@bungi.com' >Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 8:48 AM >Subject: RE: Howard's Give Away SG Opinion > > >Nice story and I'm sure you were touched. Please tell us what a wishing wand >looks like. Thanks for sharing. > >Linda > > > >has worked with her for this past year came by our booth and was admiring a >special wishing wand that I make. (It's a specialty item that really is >quite original and that I am very proud of.) > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 13 23:38:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.152047.0> Precedence: bulk Barbara, Well said! Cheryl The Glass Parrott > That is a shame, and I really believe that you should rethink that >decision....... I do what I want to do. When I give a gift I do it for me >as much as for the recipient. Of course I have given gifts, stained glass >pieces that cost me a lot of money and time as well as other things, that >were not recieved as well as I thought they sould be. Having said that, I >will continue to give gifts because I want to. And those that do not like >or appreciate them will not influence me in a way that will deprive me of >the pleasure of giving........... > Don't let that happen to you either. Give when you want to, don't when >you don't.......... > >Barbara > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 04:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 03:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:38:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug14.10386.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy, I would like to address the question you asked: >Is she ignorant, stupid, etc.? I believe that the person is ignorant. Yes, it was a gift and the recipient has the right to do with it whatever they want. However, when turning the backside to the frontside, they should discuss the reasoning behind it (no pun intended) with you, the artist. Also, NO, you are not too thin skinned at all. You made a piece with pride and to see it displayed in such a way can certainly be taken as an insult. If it were I involved, I would have a discussion with the person and try to determine her reasoning behind the hanging. Perhaps she doesn't like mirrors.(?) The back of the mirror goes rather well with her kitchen colors? Etc., etc. I would probably put off the discussion for quite awhile though, until you have had the chance to detach yourself emotionally a bit. The fact that you gave is what is important. If she wants to look at something you call ugly is her problem, not yours. If she is happy with what she sees, then in the end, that is really all that is important. She did frame and prominently display it. Hence, she does appreciate the gift! Sorry to use this trite expression, but, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 05:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re pricing (aussie style) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:57:50 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.65750.0> Precedence: bulk last time i looked the $250 a square metre would be 148.90 US dollars or 91.38 British pounds and even that low we aare very much struggling to get customers. And here is a very handy free service if you want to convert currencies http://www.xe.net/currency/ "Experience is not what happens to a man; it is what a man does with what happens to him." - Aldous Huxley, _Texts_and_Pretexts_ Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ^ /^\ . /\ "V" /__\ I O o //..\\ I . \].`[/ I /l\/j\ (]| . O /. ~~ ,\/I . \\L__j^\/I o \/--v} I o . | | I _________ | | I c(` ')o | l I \. ,/ _/j L l\_! _//^---^\\_ >:< gandalf@rivendel.com >:< gandalf@lorien.umd.edu >:< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 08:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrnet.com!gleason From: "Gleason Sackman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 'brassing' lead came Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.41139.0> Precedence: bulk I am rather new in glass working and have a quick question: Since brass is rather difficult to bend, I am wondering if it possible to 'make' lead came look like brass. Possabilites could be a gold marking pen, brass patena, plating, or ?? Appreciate any and all suggetions. Thanks. Fargo, ND ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 08:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UNappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.65240.0> References: <<199808132337.QAA20314@baby.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Thanks for the advise guys! > I realize as a gift it's no longer mine and didn't mean to sound like I had > wanted money.( I had spent alot of time on it...silly me) > And it just hurts to think she'd do that. Like she didn't like what I had > done, looked better backwards. > But I realize now that "this thing" sits in the kitchen proudly! > Much to my distaste...and can no longer look at. > So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any more > gifts... > Smiles, Cindy > And thanks again! > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i suppose what you could do is to make a nother one (smaller), for your self. and reverse paint it like it's supposed to be, and hang it on your wall. maybe your friend wil see it and find out what it's supposed to look like... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 09:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Cabinet Panels Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:39:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.173911.0> Precedence: bulk could be because they are sending in MIME format -----Original Message----- From: leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 1998 9:15 PM To: Granny And PawPaw Subject: Re: Cabinet Panels All I get is blanks from this sender(s) also! Wonder what is happening?? Lee Granny And PawPaw wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 09:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.65646.0> References: <<1998Aug14.11813.0>> Precedence: bulk scott floyd wrote: > > >So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any > >more > >gifts... > > You know Cindy, I feel sorry for you , that you have been turned > off by the gift of being able to give someone something. Maybe you > should really analyze your next gift. If the person isn't gonna like > it, then don't give it to them. This was mentioned before and I think > it is absolutely necessary to know what the gift reciever likes. If you > pay close attention and feel from your heart than you will never go > wrong. I am very saddened by all of the comments about UNappreciated > gifts that ended in, "well I am not gonna give anything away anymore." > Do you think you will be happier? I bet not. The minute you stop > giving is the second you stop recieving. I was very happy to hear from > people that are still giving and they will give forever I believe. I > also value everyones opinion though, even when I disagree.*s* I feel > that the gift from all of you is the time you take to post these > messages. I love this place! > > See you!!, > Scott *sm* > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > . though, i've always felt: if their not going to use or like the present, then your wasting your time, energy and materials. if your going to give them a glass present that can sit on a dresser or in a window, and all they do is stuff it in a box with the others, what's the point? it's not like anyone has to give gifts out, your not getting points... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 10:07:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Thank you again Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808141529.IAA16572@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Well guys it's been very nice to read all your messages. Just a little update on the issue. Althou the hurt I feel won't go away...I'll still give gifts:) Infact I have 3 dozen corn for these people that I picked up for their BBque, and sat here thinking that I won't bother collecting money spent. No hard feelings just hurt. And if asked for more glass work...I'll just have to tell her how it bothered me to see my piece displayed that way. It wasn't meant to be shown that way. I am the type of person that gives alot...if someone "close" sees a piece in my window and says they like it, I'll usually give it to them. Giving is better than recieving (and yes I don't make much $$) I have enjoyed all your comments! It's nice to know that I have made friends out there that will tell me what to do, chuckle! God Bless you all and have a great day! Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 10:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gift giving Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:09:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Aug13.1595.0> Precedence: bulk The old saying, "The gift of giving...." is based on the wisdom that the giver in fact does receive. So I think it is natural to want to receive "warm fuzzies" when giving. I think the feelings of disappointment are quite real and raw when after giving a gift, you are robbed of those intrinsic rewards by the actions or attitude of the recipient. It is the reason we have rules of ettiquette. Nobody seeks "whole-heartedly" ungratefulness. Yet, the reality is, not all gifts are fully appreciated. I know I have been guilty on occasion of not giving full attention to the giver...and not the gift. I just pray that my own faux pas, do not prevent someone from wanting to share their gifts with me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 10:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Gleason Sackman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 'brassing' lead came Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:49:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.7492.0> References: <<1998Aug14.41139.0>> Precedence: bulk Gleason Sackman wrote: > > I am rather new in glass working and have a quick question: > > Since brass is rather difficult to bend, I am wondering if it possible > to 'make' lead came look like brass. > > Possabilites could be a gold marking pen, brass patena, plating, or ?? > > Appreciate any and all suggetions. > > Thanks. > > > Fargo, ND > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass they make brass capped lead came... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 10:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, gleason@rrnet.com Subject: 'brassing' lead came Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:29:56, -0500 Message-ID: <199808141629.MAA13552@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Since brass is rather difficult to bend, I am wondering if it possible to 'make' lead came look like brass. Possabilites could be a gold marking pen, brass patena, plating, or ?? Appreciate any and all suggetions. Thanks. Fargo, ND<< Brass plating works great. Make sure soldering is very neat for sloppyness will really show with brass plating. Inland makes a brass patina for solder and lead. I have not had great success with it. Think the so called gold pens are a fraud when used on SG because they do not last past a cleaning or two. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 11:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: grozzing replies Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:07:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.1975.0> References: <<199808132213.PAA19319@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199808132213.PAA19319@norm.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >Thanks to you all who replied to my requests re: grozing or grousing as it >may also be spelled. It appears that I am running into trouble by trying to >break off the bits that occasionally hang out when a cut line doesn't break >evenly, which it turns out is not grozzing. > Yes, Carol, I groze the ledges off the glass. I call it grozing, but then I'm not a purist. Steve >Real grozzing as it's been described to me by various members of the >group...the nibbling away of fine bits of glass has always had as much >appeal to me as the sound of fingernails on blackboards.... Never realized >that's what grozzing really is (yes I remember someone demonstrating it to >me once now)...and it's no wonder I never learned it!!! > >Thanks again for all the replies. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 14:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Religous Colors Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:54:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug14.205451.0> Precedence: bulk Not long ago I found a site that told the religous significance of differant colors of glass... I seemed to have lost it . Has anyone come across this site? Thankyou in advance Suzan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 15:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Religous Colors Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 17:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: <199808142139.RAA02651@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Not long ago I found a site that told the religous significance >of differant colors of glass... I seemed to have lost it I hate it when i do that>. Has anyone come across this site? > >Thankyou in advance >Suzan No site, but it's in the front of a pattern book called Religious Stained Glass, by Bill Hillman. If you can't easily find it I'll copy that part and send it to you. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 15:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Religous Colors Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.133916.0> References: <<1998Aug14.205451.0>> Precedence: bulk LuvArtGlas@aol.com wrote: > > Not long ago I found a site that told the religous significance > of differant colors of glass... I seemed to have lost it I hate it when i do that>. Has anyone come across this site? > > Thankyou in advance > Suzan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no but i think yellow represents god. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 16:00:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: grozzing replies Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.142758.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, I hate to be a grouse = about this, but it's correctly spelled "grozing" and bears = no relationship to grousing at least not in my dictionary. Hope the school teacher in me hasn't offended anyone and have a grouse day! (That last one's new to me, too.);-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 17:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: grozzing replies, non glass Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808142324.QAA16117@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Ah, yes....grouse....thought it was a bird, atleast around my neck I wear one in silver (native,chuckle) and very good eating I might add. Think my friend Carol might have some over there on the island! What I didn't know was it also means to complain or grumble. Thank you Dani. As I fumble thru my dictionary to see how the heck to spell grouse:):) Smiles, Cindy PS my dictionary confirms it also:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 17:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jbenner From: jbenner@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.32753.0> Precedence: bulk HI Scott, (and all), I think we are getting away from our true feelings on this. IMHO, and I've been thinking about this alot in the past few days (after all, Christmas is coming!), I wonder if it's not the gift but the feeling that's the problem. When someone spends their money on something, which we have to work to earn too, and then takes precious time to create something, which obviously we hope the recipient will like (who makes something knowing it's trashy and ugly?) and THEN it is seemingly rejected..... How do I say this right??/ We speak of the gift and time and cost, but underneath it all, aren't we all feeling the same? They reject the gift therefore they reject us. They treat the gift shabbily, then they disrespect us, and our time and our efforts. A rejection follows, which seems to be about the gift, when actually it is in our hearts a rejection of us. "It must be made wrong, poorly, or they just don't like ME, or they would have taken better care of it." I dunno, could be just me, but when I think of my SIL this is what deep down comes to mind. She ASKED for the afghan, and she picked out the colors and pattern herself. IN all gifts to her she has asked for them and recieved exactly what she asked for down to details. I must also include in this instance that she prepares Christmas gift lists and hands them out that "this is what we want and no deviation from the list will occur". She doesn't respect any craft we in her family do. She hates when I spin or knit in her presence, and thinks there was something "wrong" with my dh when he made miniature houses and such. She herself has no patience nor hobbies. She cleans her house, watches tv, and shops. So, I guess I'm rambling that *I* feel more personally rejected when a gift is discarded or broken so from now on, a Walmart gift certificate will be in her stocking. (G) Alas, that will be wrong too, because that isn't a "personal" gift. ARRGGHHH!!!! Judy Benner PS> Mike I went to your website and was particuarly enamoured of your Victorian chest of drawers. Absolutely beautiful! You can be in my family anytime. I'll trade you for a sister in law and throw in a brother in law too!!! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 19:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass desk Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <19980815011756.WCT6137@vic> Precedence: bulk I would like to make a glass desk for a friend and I need some advice on how to adhere two pieces of heavy glass to each other at right angles or on a miter edge to form a "V" for the support(s). I would like to use an adhesive/epoxy that would be as clear as is possible. I am about to do the research to determine the spans possible for glass at various thickness and dimensions so I have not decided on the final size as yet. Also, I intend to etch/carve a design on the supports and the top. Is there a source to determine the effect of blasting on the strength of glass? For example, if you deep carve areas on half-inch glass how much and how deep can you go before the integrity of the glass suffers? Also, how much of the vertical and horizontal plane must be undisturbed to maintain sufficient strength for vertical support and "spans"? Do the same principals apply to glass as they do to wood and steel? I know that much of the "web" in steel and wood can be removed and the strength of the joist, beam, or column will not be undermined. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 19:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: To: jbenner@JUNO.COM, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:15:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug15.11518.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/14/98 7:53:00 PM Central Daylight Time, jbenner@juno.com writes: << when I think of my SIL this is what deep down comes to mind. She ASKED for the afghan, and she picked out the colors and pattern herself. IN all gifts to her she has asked for them and recieved exactly what she asked for down to details. I must also include in this instance that she prepares Christmas gift lists and hands them out that "this is what we want and no deviation from the list will occur". She doesn't respect any craft we in her family do. She hates when I spin or knit in her presence, and thinks there was something "wrong" with my dh when he made miniature houses and such. She herself has no patience nor hobbies. >> Sounds like your SIL has a serious problem. Personnally I would not appreciate someone giving me a list and saying no deviation. Also if she were to come to my house and I was spinning or knitting and she hated it.....I think I would tell her that this is my house not hers and if she didn't like it she could go back home. Personnally what I do at my house is what I WANT TO DO and not someone else. That is just my humble opinion. When I have given gifts of glass....mainly to my sister, cousin and mother they have all been well appreciated. I made a box for my cousin. She keeps pictures of her late husband in it along with some of his personal things. She said that his her "sentimental box". I took that has a compliment. My sister has displayed all the items that I have given her even the "early" (just learning) ones. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 19:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: To: jbenner@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:22:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug15.1227.0> Precedence: bulk I sent the last message and realized I didn't sign. Sorry about that. I don't want you to think it was anonymous. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 20:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Unappreciated gifts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808150243.TAA18786@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Judy, Alot of what you say hits home, I think we have lost alot of the true meaning of gift giving... as you have mentioned Christmas:) When I think of Christmas I want to shutter in fear, what to give, is it enough, will it be liked and so on. When I give a gift, my first thoughts are would I want it, chuckle. And is it suitable and of course can I afford it. I would never give a gift I didn't want. (And sometimes hard to part with.) My glass use to be that way too! Other than this little matter with my friend, luckily I haven't had this feeling before! And if I did receive more negative feelings with gift giving thru the family I'd be sending cheques, certificates also. Aleast none have mention to me that it hasn't been well received. Wow I really feel bad about your afghan...my sister made both myself and husband one. They sit on our couch and we use them alot in the winter!! One is kinda with a hole in it but never the less still loved and used:) I give alot of glass for Xmas!!! Kinda wonder if folks on the other end are tired of it, but when I go to visit, pieces may change for the seasons but they are still there to be seen...thankfully. (my mother in laws home may now have more pieces of glass in it than mine!) Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 14 20:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Michael J. Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Religous Colors Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 22:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <199808150214.WAA20518@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Hi Suzanne- > >Could you post the info about >the color symbology to the group? >I think quite a number of people >might be interested. Thanks! > >Best, >Dani Sure, this is from "Religious Stained Glass for Today," by Bill Hillman, CKE Publications. It's a good book to have, anyway. The Traditional Full Color Rule "The primary colors, red, yellow and blue, represent the Trinity: Father (blue), Son (yellow), and Holy Ghist (red). Their use together in a window shows the presence of the Trinity in all things. Combine them into one and they show the three separate natures of God contained in white light, the hue of God. The medieval stained glass artist tried whenever possible to use shades of red, yellow and blue together in their windows in order to stimulate the entire eye. The use of full color can dramatically snap a design into three dimensions. While the full color rule requires you to include hues of red, yellow and blue, it does not exclude the use of the other colors. The very best windows distinguish themselves through the use of color variety. Use the color chart to select additional colors beyond the primaries." Contemporary Color "Contemporary designs tend to vary from the full color rule, preferring to focus on a more limited color palette. Some common color combinations for religious windows include purple and white, white and clear, blue and green and gold and white. These combinations can create a "clean and pure" stained glass environment. Sometimes there will be an inclination to match the existing colors in the building as part of a coordinated color scheme. Since stained glass usually outlasts carpet and wallpaper, it is best to steer away from trendy color combinations and opt for full color or neutrals that will complement any color scheme. All of the colors have very specific meanings in Christian symbolism and it is important to use the correct colors with the ideas you are trying to convey. Red - The symbol of charity and martrydom for faith, it signifies the blood of Christ. A reminder of the suffering and sacrifice of the Son of Man. Yellow & Gold - Represents power and glory. The hue of the aura or halo of saints, the Gates of Heaven. Blue - Signifies hope, the love of Divine works, sincerity and piety. It was the color assigned to the Virgin Mary. Pale Blue - Symbolic of peace, serene conscience, Christian prudence; the love of good works. Green - Symbolizes faith, immortality and contemplation; spring; triumph of life over death. Pale Green - the hue of Baptism. Violet - Love, truth, passion, suffering. Purple - Royalty; God the Father. Emblematic of suffering and endurance. Christ was believed to have worn purple garments before his crucifixion. White - Represents chastity, innocence and purity, the hue of God. Gray - An Emblem of Christ risen; a blend of the Divine Light of Creation and the darkness of sin and death. Black - Represents death and regeneration. The Black Rose was a symbol of silence among Christian initiates." Sorry, the book addresses Christian symbols only. Maybe some of our Jewish and/or friends of other persuasions would contribute more of their symbology. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 02:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Olies1@aol.com Subject: Re: Thanks for all of the help! Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug14.20851.0> References: <<1998Aug13.205747.0>> Precedence: bulk For cutting thick glass you should have a glass cutter with a very flat hone angle designed specifically for thick glass. Of course you should avoid trying to take any very thin strips off it, but the easiest way to break it is to place a pencil or a dowel rod beneath the score line and press on both sides of the line from above. You can even step on both sides of the line if you can't get enough pressure on it. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:57:47 EDT writes: >Thank you one and all for all of the suggestions on how to cut the >3/8" thick >glass. I am going to try some of the methods that you suggested and >will let >you know the outcome. I have some extra glass to play with so it won't >cost me >anything but some of my time. Thanks again. >Christine >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 07:50:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mercury.net!johnnyc From: Johnny West To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Odyssey forms Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.61242.0> Precedence: bulk I enjoy bungi very much and have picked up a great number of helpful ideas. Maybe some day I will get around to my bio. I don't do lamps but ran across a bargain the other day of 4 Odyssey forms that might be of interest to someone that does. The party can be contacted at, jcampbell@mfi.net for more info. Back to lurking and cutting, keep up the good work. Johnny ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 08:26:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #44 Lynn Alchin Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.45833.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! Okay, I'm not exactly sure what all you want in here- but here goes... I was born in Lansing, Michigan Aug. 1963. I have lived all over the country, but mostly in Pennsylvania and Arizona. I have been doing stained-glass for about 11 years (on for 4, off for 3, on for 4) I have always loved the look and the feel of glass, and I got an insurance settlement and decided that it was time to invest. My best friend Judy had started about 6 mos. prior and it was time. I bought a stained glass manual, and taught myself, and thank the good lord for this e-mail group because I have learned more in the last 6 months than I had ever even thought I could. I mostly sit in the background & read, but every now & again, I need to ask a question, or give someone a lift, and there it is. I've mostly done copperfoil panels, and have recently gotten into larger leaded windows, and starting to do a area in my friends coffee shop of gift items. (prefer the larger stuff myself) I am hooked, and never plan on stopping this wonderful and beautiful expression of art and talent. Thank-you all for being there! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 09:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio #45 Tony & Barbara Reagan Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.545.0> Precedence: bulk This is a shortish bio for any interested bungi's !!! I live in Cornwall [ about 20 miles from Land's End ] in a large Victorian house overlooking the estuary. The area, although close to the town, is a bird sanctuary, which even has a black swan this year. I have a construction business with two other partners. By co-incidence they are two brothers also named Regan, and in 1980 when we moved to Cornwall from London our families were the only Regan's in the phonebook in West Cornwall. When Barbara & I got married in 1982, the pub where the reception was being held [ The Smugglers ! ] happened to be on the circuit that day for my two partners,who were surprised to find so many "Regans" in one place. We met and eventually agreed to throw our lot in with each other, and formed a construction business which today employs some 70 people. As befits our somewhat crazy & hectic life, we had the children, then got married, and finally got engaged about 5 years ago! Barbara, by contrast, has always been in the caring professions as nurse, midwife, and health visitor, but now teaches part time at Cornwall College. She is the artistic one, although we both enjoy stained glass I tend to do a lot in the "technical " department as artists labourer! She took time out for a couple of years to do an arts foundation course at Falmouth College of Art & Design after too many years in the nursing profession. The light in Cornwall is fantastic, and glass goes well with that. We have 3 children - Nick [age 26 ]- who is in London, with his girl friend, working as an Engineer with a large Building Contractor. [ I hope he comes back after a few years to take over the business , so that I can spend ALL my time in the workshop or the pub. Andy [ age 19 ] - who is studying for his A levels and hoping to go to Cardiff University in Sept taking Earth Sciences. He loves rugby, and has had a trial for Cornwall, but is currently 'resting' after two concussions. Zoe [ age 17 ] - who is taking an 2 year Art & Design course at Cornwall College she also dances and plays piano, has joined the Operatic Society, frequents disco's and chases boys. We are both fascinated with art deco, and in particular Mackintosh, and this tends to influence some of our work. We make large mirrors, illuminated tables & lamps { not Tiffany} and panels, mostly by commission, jewellery sculptures, and other decorative objects which defy description. Last summer we had a piece [ Madonna & Child ] in the" Festival of Light" summer exhibition organized by the Tate Gallery in St.Ives. This is a 3 dimensional illuminated piece and was our first proper exhibition after some 4 years of stained glass projects. This summer we will be going to Brittany with our glass to the Tall Ships Maritime Festival, and are busy looking at "sea" themes. Sorry this is a bit rambling - and if anyone gets this far they must have a low threshold of boredom, or anticipate something to come - which doesn't!! Thanks to Elisabeth for introductions. Are there any Bungi's in Cornwall? Or Devon ? The South West? The South? Regards Tony & Barbara Regan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 09:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio # 46 Laurean Clover Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.5817.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Patrick! Thanks for taking on this task! My bio isn't as impressive as the rest of them! I am 30 years old. Was born in Hartford CT. Lived there for the first 10 years of my life, then lived in Hershey, Pa., Flintstone, Md., Arroyo Grande, CA., St. Petersburg, FL., Jacksonville, FL., And Finally Ashton, IA. I met my husband through my former fiance'. My husband was supposed to be best man at the wedding. We have four children, 2 dogs, and 1 cat. Soon to be some goats, chickens, sheep, and rabbits. 4-H projects for the fair. How I came to love glass is in a round about way. My husband grew up in Hinton, IA. Which is about 50 miles south of here. He knows Nick Bogenreif, and was introduced to glass (not hands on) through Nick. A note about my questions re. Nick.... My stepmother is one who always has to be one up on someone else, so that is why I asked about the Bogenreifs fame. My husbands big dream is to move to Alaska and build windows in the winter, and pan for gold in the summer. He took glass classes with me, but doesn't do glass now, so I was technically left holding the ball. I never thought I would even remotely be involved with it. I always thought glass was for churches, and the people doing it, had to have a college degree. At one time I had dreamed of owning a studio, and doing glass full time for a living. But now I realize I have just scratched the surface, and that there is no shame in being a beginner! I find that this is an all consuming passion with me, and I eat, sleep and drink glass. My only regret was not having anyone to talk to about it. I have learned alot just from joining bungi, and love that I now can talk glass! That's about it, told you it wasn't that interesting! If you think I need to add more, please let me know. Laurean Clover ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 09:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio# 47 Steve Richard Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.51123.0> Precedence: bulk O K - here goes Currently I am attempting to establish a second career - this time in Glass! I came to this in a round about (a British road invention) way. I was born in Junction City, Kansas, USA (that's near Fort Riley - those of you in the USA will know what that means) in 1943. Raised largely by my Lutheran minister and wife grandparents in a little town of 90 people including me and my sister. After the usual range of schools I went to the University of Kansas in Lawrence, starting out in chemistry and maths, but finishing with history and anthropology. The draft board in 1965 was pressing me to get on with my education or join the army. US library schools were not forthcoming with offers, so I applied to a number of British ones. I selected one of the offers and left. I married in Scotland, and found employment, so I stayed on. Eleven years at Edinburgh University Library, 10 years at the Bodleian Library, Oxford, and 8 years at Glasgow University Library. At the latter place, management styles began to diverge, so it was decided that my departure would be good for the library. I got a reasonable package which enabled me to indulge my interest in architectural glass. I have always been interested in ecclesiastical glass, but upon moving to Glasgow and seeing all the domestic glass changed my hobby directions. Suddenly there was no longer time for archery, only for glass. I received my initial training on a weekend course from Paul San Casciani at West Dean College. This was augmented by a variety of evening classes and finally topped off by a part time course in decorative glass at the Glasgow College of Building and Printing, so I am now the holder of a HNC in decorative glass. I set up a part time business in 1989, which became full time in 1994 as "Verrier". It is a general decorative glass business with my main interests being in window commissions. However I do a range of things to keep money coming in - suncatchers, leaded panels, light shades (not Tiffany style - panel or fused and slumped), vases, boxes, and most interesting for me are the evening classes that I offer. I also find that there is a lot of work in restoration of 19th century windows that have survived to this time. My studio is located in a building with about 80 other artists in various disciplines. The studio I work in is a collaborative one where seven of us work in the same open plan space sharing rent, equipment, and helping one another when needed. The intention is to expand the range of equipment which none of us could afford alone, but can in conjunction with one another. The largest commercial commission to date has been for an Italian dele. where almost 5 square metres of fused glass was installed in two arched internal windows and a long run of shelf display decoration. The most recent large domestic installation has been a 3 metre high half-landing window for a house built in 1853. I have sold some items through galleries and attend a number of craft fairs to sell smaller items and make contacts ( some of which turn into commissioned work). I also do work for a large double glazing supplier repairing work they come across and adapting existing windows for double glazing. I also have a continuing contract to supply panels for front doors. If any of the above requires clarification, let me know and I will try. -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 09:46:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 4 Bios this week Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.5274.0> Precedence: bulk Before I get deluged with comments especially from (my dear friend and antagonist, the Swede from the UK) I sent out 4 bios today on purpose. I will be in Alexandria, Virginia all next week and away from my computer (withdrawal symptoms already appearing). The purpose of the travel is to coordinate Worldwide Desktop Video Teleconferencing. This technology would be great for this group. We could view each other's techniques and projects. I think the first installation should be in Elizabeth's backyard so we could see her soldering in the buff and dropping hot solder on her lap. I wonder if she does this more than once? She must be practicing for a Viking funeral the hard way. Anyway, after tomorrow I will be "out of the loop" for a week, so if Elizabeth has any comments it better be quick. TaTa Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 10:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.85943.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne- Thank you for sharing the = color symbology with us - of course, much of the Christian symbology is rooted in the older pagan religions. And there are many symbols in religion beyond color which are still used even though literacy has banished the need for them. This would make kind of an interesting little discussion - I don't think we've tackled this topic on bungi in a few years. Topic of the Week maybe? with a subject line "Symbols" for those who care to delete? Would love to read = what others know. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 11:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Religous Colors Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:23:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.22310.0> References: <<199808150214.WAA20518@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > >Hi Suzanne- > > > >Could you post the info about > >the color symbology to the group? > >I think quite a number of people > >might be interested. Thanks! > > > >Best, > >Dani > > Sure, this is from "Religious Stained Glass for Today," by Bill Hillman, > CKE Publications. > It's a good book to have, anyway. > > The Traditional Full Color Rule > "The primary colors, red, yellow and blue, represent the Trinity: Father > (blue), Son (yellow), and Holy Ghist (red). Their use together in a > window shows the presence of the Trinity in all things. Combine them into > one and they show the three separate natures of God contained in white > light, the hue of God. > > The medieval stained glass artist tried whenever possible to use shades > of red, yellow and blue together in their windows in order to stimulate > the entire eye. The use of full color can dramatically snap a design into > three dimensions. > > While the full color rule requires you to include hues of red, yellow and > blue, it does not exclude the use of the other colors. The very best > windows distinguish themselves through the use of color variety. Use the > color chart to select additional colors beyond the primaries." > > Contemporary Color > "Contemporary designs tend to vary from the full color rule, preferring > to focus on a more limited color palette. Some common color combinations > for religious windows include purple and white, white and clear, blue and > green and gold and white. These combinations can create a "clean and > pure" stained glass environment. > > Sometimes there will be an inclination to match the existing colors in > the building as part of a coordinated color scheme. Since stained glass > usually outlasts carpet and wallpaper, it is best to steer away from > trendy color combinations and opt for full color or neutrals that will > complement any color scheme. > > All of the colors have very specific meanings in Christian symbolism and > it is important to use the correct colors with the ideas you are trying > to convey. > > Red - The symbol of charity and martrydom for faith, it signifies the > blood of Christ. A reminder of the suffering and sacrifice of the Son of > Man. > > Yellow & Gold - Represents power and glory. The hue of the aura or halo > of saints, the Gates of Heaven. > > Blue - Signifies hope, the love of Divine works, sincerity and piety. It > was the color assigned to the Virgin Mary. > > Pale Blue - Symbolic of peace, serene conscience, Christian prudence; the > love of good works. > > Green - Symbolizes faith, immortality and contemplation; spring; triumph > of life over death. > > Pale Green - the hue of Baptism. > > Violet - Love, truth, passion, suffering. > > Purple - Royalty; God the Father. Emblematic of suffering and endurance. > Christ was believed to have worn purple garments before his crucifixion. > > White - Represents chastity, innocence and purity, the hue of God. > > Gray - An Emblem of Christ risen; a blend of the Divine Light of Creation > and the darkness of sin and death. > > Black - Represents death and regeneration. The Black Rose was a symbol of > silence among Christian initiates." > > Sorry, the book addresses Christian symbols only. Maybe some of our > Jewish and/or friends of other persuasions would contribute more of their > symbology. > > Suzanne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass wow, you learn something new every day!!! In addition to doing stained glass I know quite a bit about byzantine iconography and church history..I never knew this...I would be interested to find out if this color thing developed solely in the west or came from the east as well.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 11:11:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.2378.0> References: <<1998Aug14.65646.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > scott floyd wrote: > > > > >So I'll just have to keep shaking my head and I won't be giving any > > >more > > >gifts... > > > > You know Cindy, I feel sorry for you , that you have been turned > > off by the gift of being able to give someone something. Maybe you > > should really analyze your next gift. If the person isn't gonna like > > it, then don't give it to them. This was mentioned before and I think > > it is absolutely necessary to know what the gift reciever likes. If you > > pay close attention and feel from your heart than you will never go > > wrong. I am very saddened by all of the comments about UNappreciated > > gifts that ended in, "well I am not gonna give anything away anymore." > > Do you think you will be happier? I bet not. The minute you stop > > giving is the second you stop recieving. I was very happy to hear from > > people that are still giving and they will give forever I believe. I > > also value everyones opinion though, even when I disagree.*s* I feel > > that the gift from all of you is the time you take to post these > > messages. I love this place! > > > > See you!!, > > Scott *sm* > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > . > > though, i've always felt: if their not going to use or like the present, > then your wasting your time, energy and materials. if your going to give > them a glass present that can sit on a dresser or in a window, and all > they do is stuff it in a box with the others, what's the point? > > it's not like anyone has to give gifts out, your not getting points... > :) > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass > Tip Pages > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass re:gifts...there is NO shame in gift certificates...my husbands grandmother will ALWAYS say to people "oh, dont waste your money" or "this is not what I like"...my SIL was reduced to tears one Christmas because she figured for an elderly person how could you go wrong with a warm "old people" style sweater..she hated the color, thought it pulled too much over her shoulders too...I would never DREAM of making this woman a handmade gift...furthermore I wont even waste good pictures of my daughter as I do for other famiy members...I figure a wallet size is enough... as for actual gifts...we now buy her a grocery gift certificate because she WILL use it...seriously I once nearly bought the woman a case of toilet paper because at least she'd use it...probably wouldnt be th4 right brand though and she'd complain..some people are just like this.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 11:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: jones-Robert To: jbenner@juno.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unappreciated gifts Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug15.93033.0> References: <<1998Aug14.32753.0>> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 jbenner@juno.com wrote: > I think we are getting away from our true feelings on this. IMHO, and > I've been thinking about this alot in the past few days (after all, > Christmas is coming!), I wonder if it's not the gift but the feeling > that's the problem. When someone spends their money on something, which > we have to work to earn too, and then takes precious time to create > something, which obviously we hope the recipient will like (who makes > something knowing it's trashy and ugly?) and THEN it is seemingly > rejected..... How do I say this right??/ We speak of the gift and time > and cost, but underneath it all, aren't we all feeling the same? They > reject the gift therefore they reject us. They treat the gift shabbily, > then they disrespect us, and our time and our efforts. A rejection > follows, which seems to be about the gift, when actually it is in our > hearts a rejection of us. "It must be made wrong, poorly, or they just > don't like ME, or they would have taken better care of it." I dunno, > could be just me, but when I think of my SIL this is what deep down comes > to mind. She ASKED for the afghan, and she picked out the colors and > pattern herself. IN all gifts to her she has asked for them and recieved > exactly what she asked for down to details. I must also include in this > instance that she prepares Christmas gift lists and hands them out that > "this is what we want and no deviation from the list will occur". She > doesn't respect any craft we in her family do. She hates when I spin or > knit in her presence, and thinks there was something "wrong" with my dh > when he made miniature houses and such. She herself has no patience nor > hobbies. She cleans her house, watches tv, and shops. So, I guess I'm > rambling that *I* feel more personally rejected when a gift is discarded > or broken so from now on, a Walmart gift certificate will be in her > stocking. (G) Alas, that will be wrong too, because that isn't a > "personal" gift. ARRGGHHH!!!! > > Judy Benner Judy, It's not the gift giving I have a problem with. It's friends and family who have no concept of the value of what they are asking for. It's them asking for something for free or even at cost. My family after several years finally understands the value of the materials. I will do the work for free, but I can't afford to give them a door insert that has $500.00 worth of materials in it for free. If they buy the materials that I say they need, I will gladly make the piece. I often give glass pieces for gifts. I only hope that they like the piece. Its value is in their eyes. But when they ask for something not as a gift at X-mas or their b-day, but as something I can do for them; that's when I have a problem. I hope you don't think of me poorly. I just have to draw a line as to what I can afford to give away. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 13:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: color energy & symbolism (Re: Religous Colors) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199808151922.MAA08921@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >wow, you learn something new every day!!! In addition to doing stained >glass I know quite a bit about byzantine iconography and church >history..I never knew this...I would be interested to find out if this >color thing developed solely in the west or came from the east as >well.... Well, now we're onto one of my favourite things...using colour in a spiritual or symbolic way. Early on when I was still a glass hobbyist I became interested in people's reactions to glass, and therefore to colour. This started with my own love for some colours of glass, and a resistance to working with colours. So I spent a couple of years studying everything I could get my hands on about colour symbolism, colour energies, healing with colour, the language of colour, etc. etc. This is a HUGE HUGE field, and I now facilitate workshops combining colour and symbolism with creativity. (Any organizers of the major glass shows on this newsgroup??) There are several main interpretations of colour that I've come across and work with regularly. The first is the mainstream religious interpretation that's already been listed. Secondly is the Chinese interpretation of five colours corresponding to the five elements...wood (green and blue); fire (reds); earth (yellow and earth tone); metal (white and light pastels); and water (black and dark tone spectrum..charcoal and midnight blue, for instance). This is also one of the considerations in the application of feng shui (Dani...you may have run across this in your feng shui window). Thirdly would be the Native American system of colour significance. This is quite complex and is related to the medicine wheel used by plains Indians. It includes the spirit keepers, the moons and totems and spirit paths. Each of these items in their medicine wheel spiritual system has certain attributes including plant and animal symbols, colour and gemstone which are representative of that part of their spiritual system. Fourthly would be the colour system associated with the 7 chakras or areas of energy within the body as defined in far eastern cultures. Again, this is a system with each chakra or area of body energy corresponding to certain physical, spiritual and emotional issues which an individual may be dealing with in their life. From my work in creating intuitive talismans, I find that in many cases this system has application to my clients and what they are describing to me, even when they've never heard of it. >From here it is a short leap into the new age systems of healing with gemstones (which of course have colour) and colour energies. Although I work more with the mind than with the body around complementary healing systems, my background as a scientist tells me there may indeed be something more to the colour healing thing than traditional medicine is willing to acknowledge. After all, we glass artists work within the visible light system which is bounded on one side by ultraviolet light and on the other by infrared light. So the logical scientist within me asks "why does the entire wavelength system have properties which have been harnessed by science EXCEPT the very narrow band of visible light (made up of the 7 rainbow colours). Logically this doesn't make sense and leaves enough doubt in my mind to acknowledge that there may be something to colour healing. Without a doubt, I know that colours can have a strong (and sometimes subconscious) effect on our moods. Without writing a book with a chapter on each system, that's a VERY BRIEF overview of some other colour systems that I work with in my window designs. It'll be interesting to see what kind of responses this brings up on bungi. Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 13:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "jones-Robert" Subject: Re: Unappreciated gifts Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:51:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.55114.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I certainly agree with you on that one. I too have a friend that is constantly hinting and sometimes coming out and asking me to make her things for nothing. I won't. She works at a company I used to work for. Every few months I'm asked to come in for lunch and bring glass items for people to buy. It took over a year for my friend to buy something. I think she finally realized that was the only way she'ld get it. For gifts I would buy her things I purchased just cause I was stubborn and I felt like I was being used. I think she understands that now, so for her next birthday I'll make her something special. It is awful to feel used and unappreciated. Just remember there are others out there who do appreciate. Ya just have to find them. Cheryl >Judy, > >It's not the gift giving I have a problem with. It's friends and family >who have no concept of the value of what they are asking for. It's them >asking for something for free or even at cost. My family after several >years finally understands the value of the materials. I will do the work >for free, but I can't afford to give them a door insert that has $500.00 >worth of materials in it for free. If they buy the materials that I say >they need, I will gladly make the piece. > >I often give glass pieces for gifts. I only hope that they like the >piece. Its value is in their eyes. But when they ask for something not >as a gift at X-mas or their b-day, but as something I can do for them; >that's when I have a problem. > >I hope you don't think of me poorly. I just have to draw a line as to >what I can afford to give away. > >Bob > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 14:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:55:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug15.5556.0> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, Your post cracked me up. Toilet paper! What a novel idea. Sounds like you have a good sense of humor regarding the subject. I will have to remember that one. I have someone in mind too! Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 16:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: bio #45 Tony & Barbara Reagan Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:36:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199808152240.XAA19664@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well....., Tony and Barbara, I have been very much looking forward to hearing a bit more about you. Thank you for your Bio. Please rest assured that I will include you in other projects I have in mind. Interesting that you should be particularly interested in Art Deco. I am STILL planning a "proper" stained glass excursion to Glasgow to have a real "gawp" at MacIntosh glass. Involving and drawing on all the luminaries and experts we can muster - through official channels or pure cheek. It would be great if we could involve Steve as well into the project. His Bio - to me - is just as fascinating. The whole thing is, there are also several people in Bungi USA with Scottish connections who also are angling with me for this trip to Glasgow.. So I am torn in timing it to a purely UK get-together, or a get-together with our American friends. Anyhow, I am planning to visit some old friends on the South Coast shortly and will want to make a detour to Bournemouth. I also want to visit Colin Stokes in Somerset in the not too distant future. He helped me enormously many years ago overcoming my fear of drawing, designing and adding paint onto glass, so - at least I was prepared to experiment and learn about it. You mention Paul. Yes, I have met him a number of times.... seen his work..... he is quite a Showman. I don't particularly agree with him, his style and feel slightly uneasy at his marketing tactics. Sure, he makes money, but I am not entirely convinced about the enduring quality of the work he himself produces. I have received quite a number of his mystified, inquisitive "fall-out" students over the years. He does have some profile in UK (in particular around Oxford) , I just hope he will pass on the real knowledge and "hunger" of more knowledge about stained glass. He himself will attend Craft Fairs and strings a circular 3 colour fused glass abstract object up on a simple wrought iron stand - the total perhaps 10 inches diameter. The price tag attached asks for UK.Sterling 3.500. Somewhat breathtaking!! His approach to the public is about as arrogant. No wonder one sees the same object strung up Craft Show after Craft Show - unsold. He is a Fellow of B.S.M.G.P. - on what merit I do not know.. Please forgive me, if I sound dismissive. Absolutely NOT intentional!! He just puzzles me tremendeously. I do so hope his teaching is different from the examples of the work he is displaying as his own. My students can't work him out either. I have occasionally harboured a desire to see him in a discussion/ debate with Malcolm Miller..... As regards UK Bungi representation; With a little time.... there WILL be more people in UK at Bungi...... don't forget I was a very, very lonely voice to start with.... now some years ago. Every single day there is another stained glass artist in UK hooked up to the Net; they JUST haven't found us yet. They WILL..... Nothing could please me more, if I have played a small part in introducing you a bunch of rather nice people working in stained glass. We'll meet up, we'll work on it. But Thank You!! Cannot tell you how pleased I am , that you are there. Only wish you would "holler" more loudly - now and then Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >We are both fascinated with art deco, and in particular Mackintosh, and this > tends to influence some of our work. > > We make large mirrors, illuminated tables & lamps { not Tiffany} and > panels, mostly by commission, jewellery sculptures, and other decorative > objects which defy description. > > Last summer we had a piece [ Madonna & Child ] in the" Festival of Light" > summer exhibition organized by the Tate Gallery in St.Ives. This is a 3 > dimensional illuminated piece and was our first proper exhibition after some > 4 years of stained glass projects. This summer we will be going to Brittany > with our glass to the Tall Ships Maritime Festival, and are busy looking at > "sea" themes. > > Sorry this is a bit rambling - and if anyone gets this far they must have a > low threshold of boredom, or anticipate something to come - which doesn't!! > > Thanks to Elisabeth for introductions. > > Are there any Bungi's in Cornwall? Or Devon ? The South West? The South? > > Regards > > Tony & Barbara Regan > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 17:00:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 4 Bios this week Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:36:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199808152241.XAA19672@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk You CHEEKY Irishman!!! You BET I got something to say!! ...And get your SPELLING R I G H T before you get deluged by protests from Bournemouth in UK, where the OTHER EliZabeth reigns!! This EliSabeth, the VIKING one, is EliSabeth. Honestly!! One just cannot get the STAFF these days!!!! Shocking, my dear! Simply Shocking! I just don't know what the world is coming to!!! Get back Quick!! Have a good trip! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Patrick wrote: > Before I get deluged with comments especially from (my dear friend and > antagonist, the Swede from the UK) I sent out 4 bios today on purpose. I > will be in Alexandria, Virginia all next week and away from my computer > (withdrawal symptoms already appearing). > > The purpose of the travel is to coordinate Worldwide Desktop Video > Teleconferencing. This technology would be great for this group. We could > view each other's techniques and projects. I think the first installation > should be in Elizabeth's backyard so we could see her soldering in the buff > and dropping hot solder on her lap. I wonder if she does this more than > once? She must be practicing for a Viking funeral the hard way. > > Anyway, after tomorrow I will be "out of the loop" for a week, so if > Elizabeth has any comments it better be quick. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 17:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Michael J. Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 18:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <199808152244.SAA20422@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Suzanne- > >Thank you for sharing the = > >color symbology with us - of >course, much of the Christian >symbology is rooted in the >older pagan religions. And >there are many symbols in >religion beyond color which >are still used even though >literacy has banished the need >for them. This would make >kind of an interesting little >discussion - I don't think we've >tackled this topic on bungi in >a few years. Topic of the Week >maybe? with a subject line >"Symbols" for those who care to >delete? Would love to read = > >what others know. OK, Dani, here goes, also from Religious Stained Glass for Today (it's a great book, too bad I can't send the pictures): Alpha and Omega - The first and last letters of the Greek alphabet, symbolizing the completeness of the Bible and that God is the beginning and the end of all things. Anchor - Stability in troubled seas. A secret symbol for the cross from the days of St. Peter. Apple - Original sin, temptation. Represents fruit from the Garden of Eden. Bible - the Word of God. The Bible and the Sword - Conversion to Christianity. Represents the persuasiveness of the Bible. The emblem of St. Paul. Blood - Redemption, the blood of Christ sacrificed for the Church. Represented by wine at Communion. Bread - The Eucharist, Communion. Represents the broken body of Christ. The Burning Bush - Reminiscent of the experience of Moses, it is a symbol of God's presence and call. It is the chief symbol of the Church of Scotland. Butterfly - Journey of the soul. Grub stage represents life on earth, cocoon stage represents death, emergence of beautiful butterfly symbolizes the glory of eternal life. Candle - Light itself, the Light of God. Chalice - The Lord's Supper, Communion. Also an early symbol of Christian Fellowship. Chalice with Waves of Water - Symbolizes Holy Communion and the water symbolizes Baptism. Chi Ro - The first two letters of the Greek word for Christ, the Anointed, XPISTOS. Circle - Without beginning and end, represents eternity and completeness. A triangle enclosed in a circle represents the Holy Trinity. Interwoven Circles - The unity of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Comet - A sign of turmoil in the heavens, an evil omen. The Shepherd's Crook - Illustrates the ministry and the supervision of its flock. Cross - The sacrifice of Christ. Crown - God's authority and rule. The Crown with Cross - Symbolizes the death and victory of Christ as he reconciles the world. Crown of Thorns - Crucifixion of Christ. Dog - Faithfulness and fidelity. Donkey - Humility and simplicity, a frequent element of nativity scenes. Dove - The Holy Spirit, peace. The olive branch symbolizes peace. Descending Dove - The Holy Spirit coming to earth from heaven. Dragon - Satan, evil. Eagle - Triumphant faith, an attribute of St. John. All-Seeing Eye - A symbol of the Triune God's providence and omnipotence. The dominant symbol of Westminster Cathedral, London, England. Fire - The Holy Spirit and conversely, hell. Fish - Jesus Christ. The earliest Christians used the fish as a primary symbol of their faith. It is derived from the Greek initials for the phrase "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour." Fleur de Lys - Holy Trinity. A derivation from the Madonna Lily, therefore also represents the Virgin Mary. Fountain - Eternal life and salvation. Grapes (Grapevine) - Represents wine, a classic symbol of the Last Supper, representing the blood of Christ and ongoing Communion with God. Hand Reaching Down - God the Father; traditionally the only representation of God. Four Hands of Different Colors and Hands Clasped - White, black, yellow and red hands show the reconciled world and the harmony of mankind. Heart - The sign of Christian charity. Hand holding a flaming heart is the symbol of John Calvin, father of Swiss Presbyterianism. Iris - Sometimes substituted for the Lily in the Early Church. Keys - The Emblem of St. Peter. Lamb - Jesus Christ, or a sinner being rescued by Jesus. When a lamb holds a white flag with a red cross, it represents Christ's victory over death. The Lamp - Represents knowldge, discipline, and enlightenment. Lily - The transfiguration of Christ, symbol of Easter. Also represents innocence and the Virgin Mary. Lion - Dignity, strength. Also represents resurrection; a personal sign of St. Mark. Nails - Christ's passion, Crucifixion. Oak - Faith and endurance. Owl - Mourning; evil. Ox - Patience, strength; a sign of St. Luke. Palm - Triumph of true faith; it was thought that a cut palm would grow back. Also, a sign of royalty. Peacock - Rebirth; the Resurrection. Rainbow - The pure color of the rainbow, appearing after a storm, signifies the end of the great flood and God's covenant with man. Rock - Christ, resolute faith, strength. Scalloped Shell - A sign of pilgrimage and the emblem of St. John. Ship - A symbol of the Church, also the emblem of St. Jude. Snake - Temptation, Satan, from the Garden of Eden. Also a symbol for wisdom. Stag - Steadfast faith, a virtuous soul. Sun - The Light of God. Sword - Divine authority and power. Tablets of the Ten Commandments - A symbol of redemption. Tree - A symbol of the cross; life. Unicorn - Purity and chastity, the Virgin Mary. Wheat - Represents bread, symbol of Communion and the Last Super. Wine - Communion, the blood of Christ. Whew! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 17:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: glshorse@ior.com, glass@bungi.com, morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:17:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug15.231756.0> Precedence: bulk I know exactly what you mean. My husband's grandmother is the same way. She put a toilet bowl brush on her christmas list one year. I refused to buy that, so we got her a beautiful silver locket with room for pics of each of her grandkids. 4 months later we got a thank you note which read "It wasn't what I asked for, but it was nice anyway..." Jenna Meredith-Sanders In a message dated 8/15/98 2:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glshorse@ior.com writes: << re:gifts...there is NO shame in gift certificates...my husbands grandmother will ALWAYS say to people "oh, dont waste your money" or "this is not what I like"...my SIL was reduced to tears one Christmas because she figured for an elderly person how could you go wrong with a warm "old people" style sweater..she hated the color, thought it pulled too much over her shoulders too...I would never DREAM of making this woman a handmade gift...furthermore I wont even waste good pictures of my daughter as I do for other famiy members...I figure a wallet size is enough... as for actual gifts...we now buy her a grocery gift certificate because she WILL use it...seriously I once nearly bought the woman a case of toilet paper because at least she'd use it...probably wouldnt be th4 right brand though and she'd complain..some people are just like this.... >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 15 18:06:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: jbenner@juno.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Unappreciated gifts Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug15.101627.0> References: <<1998Aug14.32753.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Judy: Sounds like your SIL likes the idea of wanting. Also sounds like it is time for the two of you to have a heart-to-heart next time she asks for something that she wants you to make..."You know it really takes a lot of time to make these items and when I see the dog sleeping on the afghan it took me months to knit, I hesitate to spend that much time on something I make for you. I can buy one and give it to you and that doesn't make me upset about what you do with my gift. Or something of the same nature. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 05:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: color energy & symbolism (Re: Religous Colors) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.131841.0> References: <<199808151922.MAA08921@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Carol for opening a range of colour symbolism. One question I have about "colour energy" which may not be anything to to with energy. I find when I look as strong reds associated with strong blues, that the red "floats" on the blue, giving an appearance of two planes about a centimetre different. This effect happens with other colours too, but not to the same extent. Does this happen to other viewers of coloured glass too. I wonder how common an effect this is, as I have experimented with colours in an attempt to produce visual 3-D effects on 2-D surfaces. Will it convince others than me? I have found a few other people who claim to see the different planes after I have explained the effect on my visual perception. Maybe they are just being kind to an odd ball. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 06:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 05:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unappreciated gifts Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:36:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.43645.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk One of my first projects was panel of a shar pei dog for a friend of mine who breeds them. But, first I asked her if she would like it and even asked for pictures of some of her dogs in order to try and replicate the coloring as much as possible. She was so excited about it, knowing I was really just starting out and all those wrinkles in the dog's face were a challenge at that time for me. It is still in her window, displayed prominently, even when she knows I'm not coming to visit. That's the kind of person I don't mind giving stained glass as presents. I've been burnt, as it seems everyone has, by seeing something that I've enjoyed making end up in a garage sale. Asking for it back, of course, would be out of the question, but I'd entertain the idea of buying it back. Now I'm about to make a dollhouse - yes, I make dollhouses too - for my daughter who is about to move to Italy. I was going to do a pottery studio, have the kiln and other accessories, but now how do I get it there in one piece. Fly to Italy with it on my lap? Sounds good to me. At any rate, this is something I know she'll appreciate. When I make something to give away or someone asks me to do a certain piece and fully expects to pay for at least the materials, I do charge for the materials if I'm in the mood. Depends on how much they ooh and aah over it I guess and if I really loved that glass and hated to part with it. I guess if we give something we put a part of ourselves into, it means more to us than it does to the person who receives the gift, but I'm not going to stop giving, mainly because it gives me pleasure when someone really loves what I've done. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 07:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CBH861 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Patterns Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:03:48 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug16.13348.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to get a pattern of a panther. My daughters cheerleading group is trying to raise money for a trip to be in the Orange Bowl half time show. Their school mascot is a panther and I am hoping to donate a couple of small stained glass pieces for them to sell but I can't find a pattern anywhere. Any ideas? Also, I am looking for a pattern of the Dallas Cowboys and Denver Broncos logos to make for personal use. Big fans of both teams live in my home. Thanks for your help. Claire ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 08:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: color energy & symbolism (Re: Religous Colors) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:02:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199808161659.MAA22379@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I find when I look as strong reds associated with strong blues, that the > red "floats" on the blue, giving an appearance of two planes about a > centimetre different. This effect happens with other colours too, but > not to the same extent. There's been quite a bit of research done on this, Steve. Josef Albers in particular went deeply into color theory and if you do an Alta-Vista search for halation +color +theory you'll turn up, among others http://umbc7.umbc.edu/~sbradley/color.html which gives quite a bit of information on "halation," which is the effect you're talking about, one color seeming to "come forward" or "float" away from the others, even though they're in the same plane. Lots of different definitions of what colors mean, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 10:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!otrbanks From: "AHOY MATE!!!!!" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Prairie lamp shade pattern Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.8733.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a request for you all. I recently received in the mail my September issue of "Better Homes and Gardens" and it has a Prairie style lamp on pages 222-225 (it is the same shade at different angles) I really LOVE this shade and want to make myself one but I have no idea where to find the pattern. My "local" stained glass store is 2 hours away so it is helpful to know what I want when I get there, so if anyone knows where I can find this pattern I would love to know. I guess I just need to name of the book. Thanks Tammy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 11:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: color energy & symbolism (Re: Religous Colors) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug16.9753.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard- Actually halation is "the phenomenon of light flooding around a solid object and producing a blurred effect." (I quote Lawrence Lee from the book Stained Glass".) What you are talking about is Irradiation - "the optical effects of transmitted light = through translucent colours, and the fact that this irradiation is unequal according to = the colour - some colours recede, and others advance, or spread. 19th century French art historian Eugene Viollet-le-Duc wrote extensively on the phenomenon... American historian James Rosser Johnson bebunked the theory. Lee spends about a half page on the subject in *Stained Glass - see page 18 under Painting with Light. Hope that helps a bit! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 12:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: CBH861@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Patterns Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:46:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug16.17462.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/16/98 9:17:03 AM Central Daylight Time, CBH861@aol.com writes: << Also, I am looking for a pattern of the Dallas Cowboys and Denver Broncos logos to make for personal use. Big fans of both teams live in my home. >> I was able to find some good pics of the Dallas Cowboys on the web by going to sports and following the "path" to the professional football teams. It was quite easy to adapt the football helmet of the Dallas Cowboys, so I think the same would be true of the Broncos. Same would appear to be true for finding a pic of a panther. Hopes this helps. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 15:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: color and energy Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug16.71811.0> References: <<199808151922.MAA08921@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Carol: I definitely agree with you regarding color and its placement in the electromagnetic spectrum having to do with health and energy properties. I recently did some research on light looking at the ultraviolet and infrared properties of the light spectrum. We know that exposure to ultraviolet light can lead to depression, rapid skin aging and cancern. Exposure to infrared light waves can lead to deterioration of the retina and damage to the eye's ability to distinguish color. I found it interesting that the color spectrum was on a continum of the electromagnetic spectrum starting with alpha, beta, and gamma radiation, x-rays, ultraviolet, infrared, microwave and radio frequencies which are the longest wavelengths. The fact that light generates heat and heat is energy makes it entirely plausible for color to play a part in healing as well as the flip side of causing health problems. However, art glass is composed of color pigments which are not part of the light and electromagnetic spectrum. In other words the colors reflected by art glass do not provide the same energy as the rainbow of colors we see as prismatic colors. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 15:52:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:37:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Halation Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug16.73217.0> References: <<199808161659.MAA22379@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk According to Hillman, Halation is a technique of surjrounding each glass piece with a wide black outline, creating the effect called halation between adjacent colors. Halation is the spilling out and overlapping of projected light, which adds a three-dimentsional look to the window. The Judson Studios in Los Angeles uses this technique for making church windows. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 17:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Halation Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199808170023.UAA06060@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Judson Studios in Los Angeles uses this technique for making church > windows. Well, inadvertently or not, all makers of stained glass use it, whether they're aware of it or not, since different colors do, as you say, affect one's perception of light differently. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 17:28:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Prairie lamp shade pattern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199808170023.UAA06053@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > really LOVE this shade and want to make myself one but I have no idea > where to find the pattern. How about Prairie Designs of California, Box 886, Brisbane CA 94005-0886. Phone: (415) 468-5319. Fax: (415) 468-6634. "Prairie style" patterns based on art glass designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Window patterns are full size "as installed originally" or reduced in size. Lamp patterns are full size or reduced in size. Reduced lamp patterns are also modified to simplify the design. Window patterns contain came style numbers. Lamp patterns contain suggested glass stock numbers. Lamp patterns contain complete bill of materials, lampbase and shade patterns. Completed wooden lampbases are also available. Bases are available in walnut and white oak. Two pattern books are available that contain scale drawings of original windows with an explanation of the unique came design. from http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guidep.htm the Guild's online Sources Guide. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 17:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Visions Volunteers Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:34:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug16.22346.0> Precedence: bulk Apologies are in order: Several weeks ago I "put out a call" for volunteers for the IGGA table at Warner-Crivellaro's "Glass Vision". Immediately, my computer went into withdrawal (for reasons of its' own) and between changing, upgrading, and heaven knows what that goes on behind computer-chip-doors, I lost my e-mail. So here we go again. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who will be at this most enjoyable event, and, who would like to volunteer some time, any time, attending the IGGA table. Also, all Bungians are invited to stop by the IGGA table and I will have Bungi name tags for you, so we'll get to meet one another. Perhaps it might be best if you e-mail me direct, if you are interested in any of the above, in order that we don't "clog" this list. Just like to add, that having attended this event last year, and having had enjoyed great prices, along with interesting events....this year will be, even better. Improvements have been made to eliminate long check-out lines, expanded browsing areas have been added, and, in general, just being better organized. (Got this information from a "drop-in" visit, last week to W-C).... Looking forward to hearing from any and all.....Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 17:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: glass colors Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:35:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug16.223512.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all. I've enjoyed reading on the meanings of colors. I thought yall might get a kick out of something I did. This first stained glass panel I did was one about 20" square. It was out of a victorians pattern book. I used all cathedral glass. It was beautiful. Purples and pinks in the border, and it had 3 red tulips in the center. I placed it inside one of the front windows in my house. Well, the next morning when I got up, I of course stopped to admire it again, with the morning sun pouring through it. But then my attention was diverted to a big "stain" on the carpet. I was mad. I was thinking the ol' husband must have spilled grape juice or something on the carpet. I stormed off to get the carpet cleaner and I came back and sprayed it down....only to realize it wasn't a stain after all, but the color coming through my stained glass window !!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 19:11:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: remove Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:50:37 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug17.05037.0> Precedence: bulk please remove me from the list..... for now deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 16 20:17:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Valerieksj From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: please remove Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:42:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug17.24244.0> Precedence: bulk please remove me from the list ...for now too! thanks, Doug ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 17 08:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: color and energy Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug17.14914.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/16/98 11:33:22 PM, edupjohn@slonet.org wrote: >However, art glass is composed of color pigments which are not part of the >light and electromagnetic spectrum. In other words the colors reflected >by art glass do not provide the same energy as the rainbow of colors we >see as prismatic colors. Point of clarification: The pigments used in coloring glass, fiber, or anything else may not look like anything we recognize on the color wheel, but the light they transmit or reflect, like all light, *is* made of a combination (either additive or subtractive) of wavelengths from the electromagnetic spectrum interfering with each other. The colors we see in a rainbow look brighter and more energizing to us because each individual color is a pure wavelength rather than a mixture. Other than that (and I hope you'll excuse me if I'm saying something you already know), there are two ways to produce a given color. Mixing pigments produces a color by a subtractive process, cancelling out and effectively "taking away" certain wavelengths. You can see this effect when you mix paints or look though two sheet of glass placed behind another. The color printing process (most commonly CMYK, for Cyan-Magenta-Yellow-blacK) does this too, but more accurately than the red-yellow-blue scheme we all grew up with from the time we were old enough not to chew on crayons. On the other hand, with transmitted light, it's possible to produce a color by an additive process. I'm sure we've all seen the demonstration where someone takes 3 spotlights, one each with Red, Green, and Blue gels (hence RGB), and shines them on the same spot, and the result is a patch of white light (or something close to it) as the color spectrum recombines. TVs and computer monitors produce additive color via RGB as well. (While it's possible to get a good approximation of the CMYK result on a computer monitor, and sophisticated devices are available for more accurate on-screen color calibration, we still usually have to do a test print to make sure how it will look on paper.) I ran across a book recently in the local library that demonstrated the difference between colored dyes mixed from CMY(K) and from red-yellow-blue. The CMY(K) colors were far more vibrant, but then RYB is something of a simplification. (I think the book is called *Color and Fiber.* Gotta look it up again. The book dealt specifically with color mixing for yarn dyeing, but color is color and the principles of light are the same.) And yes, I do sometimes see one color "jump out" from the others. Seems it's more likely to happen when the color in question is close to a pure spectral hue. Another thing that happens when you put two pure spectral hues next to each other is the "vibration" effect, a visual "blurring" of the boundary between the two. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Cue the peacock! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 17 15:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: "Doug Parrott" , "bungi group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Non glass Fw: Why it is great to be a guy Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug17.14548.0> Precedence: bulk Subject: Non glass Fw: Why it is great to be a guy >Thought this was a kick and wanted to share it >Hope I don't offend any of you guys...... just thought this was funny > Cheryl Why would it offend us,, it's all true!! Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 17 20:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Unusual comments Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:18:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug17.121821.0> References: <<1998Aug11.151353.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was at a show this weekend. My 72 year old(WWII war bride) mother came to see how I was doing. This customer asked her where she was from orginially, because she recognised her English accent. The customer's (about) 8 year old daughter, then asked my mother, "Did it take you a long time to learn to talk that way?" A question she has never been asked in the 53 years she has been here! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 17 23:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: stained glass software Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:24:00 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.2240.0> Precedence: bulk I just found this link with free software and texture for stained glass effects. http://www.apmagic.com/stg/stg.htm Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 02:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:33:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug17.183351.0> References: <<1998Aug15.85943.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk This is very Timely discussion. I just got a phone call from a customer wanting a stepping stone as a wedding gift. We were discussing the possiblilities, when we thought about doing something symbolic. Something to signify a good marriage, a good life, etc. The only thing I am aware of is the southwest indian symbols. Made my brother and his wife a Navajo Angel(not glass)holding a hide with a bear symbol on it. The bear represented a harmonious household. It was appropriate, since it was a house warming gift. The couple that are getting married have scandinavian heritage. Elisabeth and Toby, anyone, have any ideas? Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Suzanne- > > Thank you for sharing the = > > color symbology with us - of > course, much of the Christian > symbology is rooted in the > older pagan religions. And > there are many symbols in > religion beyond color which > are still used even though > literacy has banished the need > for them. This would make > kind of an interesting little > discussion - I don't think we've > tackled this topic on bungi in > a few years. Topic of the Week > maybe? with a subject line > "Symbols" for those who care to > delete? Would love to read = > > what others know. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 08:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: SG software Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199808181424.HAA18968@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk > > > I just found this link with free software and texture for stained glass > > effects. > > http://www.apmagic.com/stg/stg.htm > > > > > > Harlequin > > www.surf.to/harlquin > > This is going to be very helpful. Thanks > > Shiela > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 14:43:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: globalnet.co.uk!aareg From: "Tony Regan" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Bio Tony and Barbara Regan Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:05:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug18.23541.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BDCAF4.56F6FCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Patrick for publishing our Bio I had forgotten that you had one from us. By the way our name is REGAN - the other spelling belongs to the black = sheep of the family - Strangely topical this week with Monica & Bill = hitting the headlines!! Elizabeth tells me not to lurk too much, but I always read and digest = the mail daily. Kind regards to all Tony Regan ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BDCAF4.56F6FCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BDCAF4.56F6FCA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 18:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Symbols & Colors in different cultures/belief systems Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug18.144154.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk HI I ment to add any one have knowlege of different colors for diverse groups/cultures/belief systems/religions also. They may differ from the Christian ones. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 18:28:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:34:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug18.133410.0> References: <<1998Aug15.85943.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk hi Dani, I too would like to hear more on this, particularly different symbolism. Like old viking, celtic, arabic, chinese, etc. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Suzanne- > > Thank you for sharing the = > > color symbology with us - of > course, much of the Christian > symbology is rooted in the > older pagan religions. And > there are many symbols in > religion beyond color which > are still used even though > literacy has banished the need > for them. This would make > kind of an interesting little > discussion - I don't think we've > tackled this topic on bungi in > a few years. Topic of the Week > maybe? with a subject line > "Symbols" for those who care to > delete? Would love to read = > > what others know. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 18 18:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Diamondcrete Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:30:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug18.103042.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I just got this unsolited blurb. Anyone have any comments about this stuff?Hello, We manufacture a cementious product we call Diamond-crete. We have the exclusive rights to this name, in fact the name "Diamond-crete" is trademarked. The makers of Diamond-crete (that is used in the stained glass industry) contacted us and asked us not to enter the stained glass market. At the time, I had no idea what the size of the market was. Since we have had many requests for the product we have conducted tests comparing our Diamond-crete product with the other Diamond-crete product as manufactured by Rayner INC. We list below the features and benefits of our Diamond-crete product. You will notice very quickly, after using our product, how much easier our product is to use. Our product is not only better but it is less costly. Our product sells for 80 cents per pound compared to a $1.60/lb. For our competitors product. The following are other features: 1. our product bonds to glass 2. does NOT absorb water therefore will not freeze and crack 3. it is somewhat flexible (1585 p.s.i.) 4. it is very strong as strong as concrete footings for commercial and residential buildings. (5800 p.s.i. plus) 5. it is environmentally safe. 6. Can be used as an adhesive 7. Can be poured as thick as you want (1/4 in. to any thickness) 8. Salt will not affect this product 9. Is NOT affected by freeze/thaw or extreme heat 10. Unaffected by u.v. rays therefore color will maintain Other uses other than stepping stones are using for thin pours such as coasters, ashtrays, tabletops etc. We offer a 5 gallon bucket which is approximately 60 lbs. Of product for $50.00 plus shipping or up to a 50% discount and beyond for repeated orders. Thank you and we hope to hear from you soon. Todd Binkley (410) 526-4018 (home) 1-877-346-4742 (toll free fax line) info@diamondcrete.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 02:11:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: globalnet.co.uk!aareg From: "Tony Regan" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: bio #45 Tony & Barbara Reagan Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.10193.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Elizabeth, Thanks for your kind words. I do monitor the bungi e.mails every day, and find it most interesting. BUT - I WILL "HOLLER" A LITTLE LOUDER IN FUTURE!!!! I love to read your banter, especially with Patrick !! Its been an especially busy summer so far and will try to contribute more. especially when the dark evenings come. Our kind regards Tony & Barbara "A minute depends on which side of the bathroom door you are" -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: 16 August 1998 00:48 Subject: Re: bio #45 Tony & Barbara Reagan >Well....., >Tony and Barbara, >I have been very much looking forward to hearing a bit more about >you. >Thank you for your Bio. Please rest assured that I will include you >in other projects I have in mind. >Interesting that you should be particularly interested in Art Deco. >I am STILL planning a "proper" stained glass excursion to Glasgow to >have a real "gawp" at MacIntosh glass. Involving and drawing on all >the luminaries and experts we can muster - through official channels >or pure cheek. It would be great if we could involve Steve as well >into the project. His Bio - to me - is just as fascinating. The whole >thing is, there are also several people in Bungi USA with Scottish >connections who also are angling with me for this trip to Glasgow.. >So I am torn in timing it to a purely UK get-together, or a >get-together with our American friends. > >Anyhow, I am planning to visit some old friends on the South Coast >shortly and will want to make a detour to Bournemouth. >I also want to visit Colin Stokes in Somerset in the not too distant >future. He helped me enormously many years ago overcoming my fear of >drawing, designing and adding paint onto glass, so - at least I was >prepared to experiment and learn about it. > > You mention Paul. Yes, I have met him a number of times.... seen his >work..... he is quite a Showman. I don't particularly agree with him, >his style and feel slightly uneasy at his marketing tactics. Sure, he >makes money, but I am not entirely convinced about the enduring >quality of the work he himself produces. I have received quite a >number of his mystified, inquisitive "fall-out" students over the >years. He does have some profile in UK (in particular around >Oxford) , I just hope he will pass on the real knowledge and "hunger" >of more knowledge about stained glass. He himself will attend Craft >Fairs and strings a circular 3 colour fused glass abstract object up >on a simple wrought iron stand - the total perhaps 10 inches >diameter. The price tag attached asks for UK.Sterling 3.500. >Somewhat breathtaking!! His approach to the public is about as >arrogant. No wonder one sees the same object strung up Craft Show >after Craft Show - unsold. He is a Fellow of B.S.M.G.P. - on what >merit I do not know.. Please forgive me, if I sound dismissive. >Absolutely NOT intentional!! He just puzzles me tremendeously. I do >so hope his teaching is different from the examples of the work he >is displaying as his own. My students can't work him out either. >I have occasionally harboured a desire to see him in a discussion/ >debate with Malcolm Miller..... > >As regards UK Bungi representation; With a >little time.... there WILL be more people in UK at Bungi...... don't >forget I was a very, very lonely voice to start with.... now some >years ago. >Every single day there is another stained glass artist in UK hooked >up to the Net; they JUST haven't found us yet. They WILL..... > >Nothing could please me more, if I have played a small part in >introducing you a bunch of rather nice people working in stained >glass. We'll meet up, we'll work on it. But Thank You!! >Cannot tell you how pleased I am , that you are there. >Only wish you would "holler" more loudly - now and then >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >>We are both fascinated with art deco, and in particular Mackintosh, >and this >> tends to influence some of our work. >> >> We make large mirrors, illuminated tables & lamps { not Tiffany} and >> panels, mostly by commission, jewellery sculptures, and other decorative >> objects which defy description. >> >> Last summer we had a piece [ Madonna & Child ] in the" Festival of Light" >> summer exhibition organized by the Tate Gallery in St.Ives. This is a 3 >> dimensional illuminated piece and was our first proper exhibition after some >> 4 years of stained glass projects. This summer we will be going to Brittany >> with our glass to the Tall Ships Maritime Festival, and are busy looking at >> "sea" themes. >> >> Sorry this is a bit rambling - and if anyone gets this far they must have a >> low threshold of boredom, or anticipate something to come - which doesn't!! >> >> Thanks to Elisabeth for introductions. >> >> Are there any Bungi's in Cornwall? Or Devon ? The South West? The South? >> >> Regards >> >> Tony & Barbara Regan >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 02:47:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:18:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199808190823.JAA15384@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, It's quite extraordinary how "things fall into place" - far and near. I have followed the exchange between Dani & Suzanne with great interest. I happen to have the same book that Suzanne quoted from. Not only that, but I remember many, many years ago studying light and colours as it affects emotional well-being, industrial environment, office environment and hospital environment. Of course, light and colours are the ONE important factor in Scandinavia, where half the year you are plunged into black darkness and the other half the sun hardly goes down. This then some years later, was emphasized, reinforced and extended through my studies in the metaphysical spheres. Last Sunday - as every Sunday - I went to get my "fat" Sunday Times, with all the world news, UK news, money bits, financial bits and so on. In the Colour Supplement, the feature Article (pages and pages ), what should I find??? An article entitled "Medicine switches on to the extraordinary healing power of light". It recounts an international conference in UK at Reading University last month attended by scientists, medics, laser specialists, colour specialists; alternative practicants, and so on..... The secondary head-lines read: "It can cure cancer, TB, hepatitis, pneumonia, as well as a range of of viral diseases and psychological disorders...." I am going to make a copy of the article for myself, and as regards the original.... anyone interested..,.. and to disseminate it for the rest of us...? Isn't it funny, what the ancient glass masters, alchemists & the Church knew 100's and 100's of years ago as regards colours and light, is now treated as if it was a brand new discovery. What goes around, comes around...:-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shirley wrote: > This is very Timely discussion. I just got a phone call from a customer > wanting a stepping stone as a wedding gift. We were discussing the > possiblilities, when we thought about doing something symbolic. > Something to signify a good marriage, a good life, etc. The only thing > I am aware of is the southwest indian symbols. Made my brother and his > wife a Navajo Angel(not glass)holding a hide with a bear symbol on it. > The bear represented a harmonious household. It was appropriate, since > it was a house warming gift. > The couple that are getting married have scandinavian heritage. > Elisabeth and Toby, anyone, have any ideas? > > Michael J. Greer wrote: > > > > Suzanne- > > > > Thank you for sharing the = > > > > color symbology with us - of > > course, ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 05:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Diamondcrete Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.4237.0> Precedence: bulk I found this looking for diamondcrete.com.=20 http://www.diamondcrete.com/pi/pi.html Sounds good to me. I wouldn't mind buying it and trying it out but I'd = hate to pay shipping on 50 lbs. Wonder why they would even let another = company use the same name for their product? Linda ---------- From: Shirley Balloch[SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] I just got this unsolited blurb. Anyone have any comments about this stuff? Hello, We manufacture a cementious product we call Diamond-crete. We have the exclusive rights to this name, in fact the name "Diamond-crete" is trademarked. The makers of Diamond-crete (that is used in the stained glass industry) contacted us and asked us not to enter the stained glass market. At the time, I had no idea what the size of the market was. Since we have had many requests for the product we have conducted tests comparing our Diamond-crete product with the other Diamond-crete product as manufactured by Rayner INC. We list below the features and benefits of our Diamond-crete product. You will notice very quickly, after using our product, how much easier our product is to use. Our product is not only better but it is less costly. Our product sells for 80 cents per pound compared to a $1.60/lb. For our competitors product. The following are other features: 1. our product bonds to glass 2. does NOT absorb water therefore will not freeze and crack 3. it is somewhat flexible (1585 p.s.i.) 4. it is very strong as strong as concrete footings for commercial and residential buildings. (5800 p.s.i. plus) 5. it is environmentally safe. 6. Can be used as an adhesive 7. Can be poured as thick as you want (1/4 in. to any thickness) 8. Salt will not affect this product 9. Is NOT affected by freeze/thaw or extreme heat 10. Unaffected by u.v. rays therefore color will maintain Other uses other than stepping stones are using for thin pours such as coasters, ashtrays, tabletops etc. We offer a 5 gallon bucket which is approximately 60 lbs. Of product for $50.00 plus shipping or up to a 50% discount and beyond for repeated orders. Thank you and we hope to hear from you soon. Todd Binkley (410) 526-4018 (home) 1-877-346-4742 (toll free fax line) info@diamondcrete.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 07:27:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:25:05 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug19.13255.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried this new product???? Suzan LuvArtGlas@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 07:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:38:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug19.133846.0> Precedence: bulk I for one, would love to see what the " Times" had to say about color...:) Suzan LuvArtGlas@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 08:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Toby" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Religous Colors/Symbols Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 09:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <199808191350.JAA28009@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk EliSabeth wrote: >An article entitled "Medicine switches on to the >extraordinary healing power of light". > >It recounts an international conference in UK at Reading University >last month attended by scientists, medics, laser specialists, colour >specialists; alternative practicants, and so on..... > >The secondary head-lines read: >"It can cure cancer, TB, hepatitis, pneumonia, as well as a range of >of viral diseases and psychological disorders...." >I am going to make a copy of the article for myself, and as regards >the original.... anyone interested..,.. and to disseminate it for the >rest of us...? Yes, Yes, Yes, Elisabeth! If you will mail me the article I will copy it onto Bungi for the rest of us. Thanks! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 11:05:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: nonglass - Medicine switches/power of light Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.8126.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, I would like to see that article on the healing power of light. As a cancer survivor, I'm most interested in reading it. If you would e mail it to me personally, or perhaps everyone else would like to read it also, I'd appreciate it very much. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 13:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3.0.16.19980819143239.4b9fa764@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 09:25 AM 8/19/98 EDT, LuvArtGlas@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone tried this new product???? > >Suzan Yes I got some of it just last week....and it seems to be very good. Relatively easy recipe for mixing....and the colors!! Nice! I will just have to take their word for the extra durability until the stones have been around a while but I liked it very much. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 13:32:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Shirley Balloch" Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.21632.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, just found this on the Art Glass World Bulletinborad: www.colebrothers.com/stainedglass you might want to check it out. A company has duplicated the diamondcrete formula. This may be worth checking out. For a $10 fee, they will pass the formula on to you. It is supposed to cost about .50 a lb to make yourself. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 7:02 PM Subject: Diamondcrete >I just got this unsolited blurb. >Anyone have any comments about this stuff?Hello, > > > > We manufacture a cementious product we call Diamond-crete. We have the >exclusive rights to this name, in fact the name "Diamond-crete" is >trademarked. The makers of Diamond-crete (that is used in the stained >glass industry) contacted us and asked us not to enter the stained glass >market. At the time, I had no idea what the size of the market was. >Since we have had many requests for the product we have conducted tests >comparing our Diamond-crete product with the other Diamond-crete product >as manufactured by Rayner INC. We list below the features and benefits >of our Diamond-crete product. You will notice very quickly, after using >our product, how much easier our product is to use. Our product is not >only better but it is less costly. Our product sells for 80 cents per >pound compared to a $1.60/lb. For our competitors product. The following >are other features: > >1. our product bonds to glass >2. does NOT absorb water therefore will not freeze and crack >3. it is somewhat flexible (1585 p.s.i.) >4. it is very strong as strong as concrete footings for commercial and >residential buildings. (5800 p.s.i. plus) >5. it is environmentally safe. >6. Can be used as an adhesive >7. Can be poured as thick as you want (1/4 in. to any thickness) >8. Salt will not affect this product >9. Is NOT affected by freeze/thaw or extreme heat >10. Unaffected by u.v. rays therefore color will maintain > > > Other uses other than stepping stones are using for thin pours such as >coasters, ashtrays, tabletops etc. > > We offer a 5 gallon bucket which is approximately 60 lbs. Of product >for $50.00 plus shipping or up to a 50% discount and beyond for repeated >orders. > > > > Thank you and we hope to hear from you soon. > > > >Todd Binkley (410) 526-4018 (home) > 1-877-346-4742 (toll free fax line) > info@diamondcrete.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 14:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:35:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug19.203534.0> Precedence: bulk Just a note for those that were discussing the Diamond-crete e-mail that was sent out. I talked with the manufacturer of DiamondCRETE this morning, and he let me know that this has been a major source of confusion. The e-mail that was sent out is from a company that is using the same name (looks like they had it first, too) and selling an epoxy-based floor tile cement. While it will work for mosaic floor applications and stuff of the like, IT WILL NOT WORK for garden stepping stones. The manufacturer of the DiamondCRETE for stepping stones has asked me to forward this information on to you. Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass http://www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 16:48:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: StndGlass1@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:39:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug19.223923.0> Precedence: bulk This really does make things confusing huh? One company says it will work and the other says it won't. Which one to believe....hmmmm!!!????? Thanks for putting the effort into calling Jenna, I do appreciate the effort to clear things up even if I'm not sure what or who to believe between the two companies. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 17:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: UK Sunday Times Artcile of Lights/Colours Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:52:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199808192356.AAA06729@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Phew!!! Goodness me! That was quite a postbag I got..... There is no way I am going to play "Solomon" here... there are just too many heart-rendering stories. I am not yet very good at scanning and pasting. So what I will do is the following; I will post the original entire Magazine to Suzanne Albright (as I am preparing a parcel for her anyway...). I will rely on her wisdom and sensitivity to disseminate and forward on the information further to you in USA. I am going to make photo-copies for myself and a few extra for close "buddies". (Suzanne - I will give you off-group particular details....). The article is The Feature Article in the Sunday Times Colour Supplement of last Sunday; as such it occupies about 6-7 pages and colour photographs. It is written by a journalist (Peter Martin) who does have a few lines of "flippancy" and throw-away lines.. Nevertheless, the article does also contain names of people, institutions and references to particular research areas & fields. It might hopefully be a "trigger" to anyone who has touched on metaphysical, "alternatives", alchemy studies or at all been involved in further teachings by the ancient mystical schools. It's strange and wonderful in some ways; that this discussion has come back to very old historical purposes of what stained glas was all about; to tell a story, to transmit colours & light and to transmit healing. One of the main reasons I have fallen victim to stained glass is presicely because I myself am a victim to light and colours. My life-cycle is virtually ruled by it, by the very nature of WHERE I was born. Rather than fighting it, denying it, I have given in to it, tried to learn about its nature, its seasons, it effects and how I can use it to my own advantage, how I can "ride" it. I live in a low-slung old English cottage with beams 'n things. Anyone taller than 5'10" has to duck. The windows are small Georgian panes. Over the years I have changed the dark interior, initially decorated with strong wild,, imposing and dark (almost threatening) flower-patterns into a simple, unpatterned, white and pale yellow.. My Kitchen door opens out directly into an enclosed patio, which is virtually my Summer living-room. I have pale flag-stones, white painted rendered walls and 2 flowerbeds which Toby and I fight over. HE wants WHITE Bone Sculptures growing tall, I want red, orange and yellow flowers growing. I occasionally WIN.... The garden "proper" I have fought for and over for almost 20 years. That too I have visions of red, orange and yellow; intermingled with blue, purple and white. In stained glass too, a particular colour will so very often chose its own design for me - not the other way round. . When I take on a commission, I always go myself and look, test and feel the light in situ, I discuss colours, I discuss interior decoration, before I develop the design itself. Having once come up with the design to match the light and colours I carry in my minds vision, more often than not my customers / patrons will -by themselves - chose the decor around what I see and feel. Spanish designer terracotta tiles will be ordered to match MY stained glass, designer wall-paper will be ordered or even hand-made to match my visions of the colours, and in - at least 2 cases - entire buildings have been rearranged to match my vision of colours and light. Quite a compliment!! A Roman Catholic Chuirch once changed an Annexe to become a Lady Chapel on the strength of the stained glass I designed created and made for them..... I still have sooooo much to learn about techniques, new ideas and even OLD techniques. I don't paint and fire on glass (but I Do want to learn MORE.....); I only do copper-foil for 3-D objects; but I have never yet been faulted on my "EYE" for colour or light..... nor in deed about my "structural engineering" That I have entirely my "Heritage" to thank for. It is interesting - however - that this very heritage should come back in so many forms - not least in the "healing" capacity. My own exposure to so many cultures, countries, landscapes, mentalities and philosophies just makes me realize so very often -just how much there is to learn in terms of Human Experiences and about the History of Mankind. Light and Colours, being one of these things....... Take Care! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > EliSabeth wrote: > > >An article entitled "Medicine switches on to the > >extraordinary healing power of light". > > > >It recounts an international conference in UK at Reading University > >last month attended by scientists, medics, laser specialists, colour > >specialists; alternative practicants, and so on..... > > > >The secondary head-lines read: > >"It can cure cancer, TB, hepatitis, pneumonia, as well as a range of > >of viral diseases and psychological disorders...." > >I am going to make a copy of the article for myself, and as regards > >the original.... anyone interested..,.. and to disseminate it for the > >rest of us...? > > Yes, Yes, Yes, Elisabeth! > If you will mail me the article I will copy it onto Bungi for the rest of > us. > Thanks! > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 19:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:16:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199808200318.XAA26818@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > A company has duplicated the diamondcrete > formula. This may be worth checking out. For a $10 fee, they will pass > the formula on to you. Hmm. They also offer HOW TO START AND OPERATE A GIFT BASKET COMPANY HOW TO START A PHOTOGRAPHY BUSINESS HOW TO START AND OPERATE AN ASPHALT REPAIR COMPANY HOW TO START AND OPERATE A SEALCOATING COMPANY HOW TO START AND OPERATE A STRIPING COMPANY and HOW TO FORM A SUB CHAPTER S CORPORATION Does it make you wonder as much as it makes *me wonder? And what *is a "striping company"? Do they do that pinstriping on cars? Sounds to me like they're in the business of xeroxing low-end info sets and making big bucks. (Too bad they can just xerox the money.) Perhaps one of the bungi denizens should offer to test the "formula," assuming it's not patented (since the Diamondcrete name was trademarked, I suspect they did their other legal chores, too). Just call me grouchy and suspicious ... or you can call me Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 19 19:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:16:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199808200318.XAA26829@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > was sent out is from a company that is using the same name (looks like they > had it first, too) Using it first won't count in this case, since the other company trademarked it. Sounds like some lawyers are going to get rich. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 00:20:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:15:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug20.61553.0> Precedence: bulk Mr Cole sent this to me a few days ago.... << Subj: Re: Publishing Date: 98-08-16 22:44:47 EDT From: scole@cheney.net (Steven Cole) To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com We don't publish any patterns. We borrow them, draw them, trace them, get them out of coloring books etc.. I publish some business startup guides and my wife and I make stained glass stepping stones as a side business. I developed the mix for our stones because diamondcrete was too expensive and I thought I would just add the formula to the stained glass booklet. I just poured a nice light pink cement with green, yellow and deep purple glass and I am looking forward to popping it out in the morning. That is the best part. Do you make stepping stones and stained glass? My wife got into it a while back and she really loves it. Now shes got me hooked too. Talk to you later, Steven Cole >> Suzan LuvArtGlas@aol.com PS. Albert, "STRIPING" refers to parking lot stripes....someones gotta do it ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 00:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Patterns Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug20.62234.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen a pattern for a Ferret???? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 01:25:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug19.215718.0> Precedence: bulk Well, Albert, some lawyers may get rich on this one, but first some company is going to get rich on over-priced and cleverly marketed cement!! Those of us who know a little about cement casting are shaking our heads and saying "Well, I'll be jiggered, wish I'd thought of that first!" Then again, we probably wouldn't have had the guts to take advantage of someone that way! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 04:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass carving/blasting set up Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:36:58 -0400 Message-ID: <19980820103330.ETC19638@vic> Precedence: bulk Desperate for assistance/recommendations For my birthday, my wife gave me an 80 gallon 6.5 HP, two stage compressor, a blasting tank, blasting cabinets, and the makings for 4 blasting stations (for hobby room, garage's etc.) including water filters, regulators, and coalescing filters and best of all a PLUMBER to install it all. Here is my problem. Although this plumber has done work for me for the past twenty years from furnace conversions, new baths, remodels of old baths, gas line installation and a million other projects, all without a problem, this set up is leaking like a sieve. We are using 1/2-inch steel "black pipe" with various type connections, sealed with "dope", for the installation. Is there a special type of sealer for airlines under pressure (175 psi from the tank)? Since the air is not an environmental or health problem, I am not too concerned but would prefer a tight system. The plumber is returning today to re-do the leaks, but I would like to know what my expectations should be with this type of system. For example, is there an acceptable tolerance which one has to accept or is a completely tight system possible? Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 08:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass carving/blasting set up Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:48:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199808201651.MAA02283@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > problem, this set up is leaking like a sieve. Vic, For my money, the reigning expert in abrasive blasting is Norm Dobbins Professional Glass Consultants 2442 Cerrillos Road, Suite 350 Santa Fe NM 87505 - 3262 Phone: ( 505 ) 473 - 9203 Fax: (505) 473-9218 I think if you'd give him a call, he'd be glad to advise you. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 09:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:48:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199808201651.MAA02277@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Has anyone seen a pattern for a Ferret???? There's a black-and-white trilogy of them at http://www.petloves.com/images/art/a-ferrets2.jpg and a line drawing of the upper half of one standing up at http://ascc.artsci.wustl.edu/~kjmcelha/simple.gif and a real cute one at http://w3.one.net/~ferret/images/join.gif There's also a profile of the whole animal at http://ferretcentral.org/gifs/icons/central-logo.gif and http://members.aol.com/dcanals/ferret.gif although you'd have to get rid of some type, as well as at http://pw1.netcom.com/~lobo123/Images/ferret.gif There's a nice standing ferret in three-quarter profile at http://ftp1.rad.kumc.edu/pics/nature/ferret.gif It seems very suitable to an attractive design and one at http://userdata.acd.net/ferret/img/sablehob2.gif an another at http://www.acorn-embroidery.com/IMAGES/ferret.JPG There's another with a butterfly and foliage at http://userdata.acd.net/ferret/img/a7.gif A ferret kit's at http://userdata.acd.net/ferret/img/kit.gif There's what looks like the basis for nice ferret stationery at http://userdata.acd.net/ferret/img/kitrun.gif which has two (count 'em, two!) ferret kits There's one in a hammock ( ! ) at http://userdata.acd.net/ferret/img/naptime2.gif There's an animated GIF of two of 'em (eeeuuuw!) at http://vqinc.com/images/feretgf.gif There one in Puss-in-Boots attire at http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Fur/jerone1.gif although you should allow some download time - it's BIG! and there are lots of photos here and there. A plethora of ferrets! Watch out for copyright, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 09:19:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:48:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199808201651.MAA02286@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Well, Albert, some lawyers may get > rich on this one, but first some company > is going to get rich on over-priced and > cleverly marketed cement!! But Dani, we're talking about the stained glass world, in which overpriced, inessential items are flogged like mad, right? Truly resourceful "Amurrican" artisans have always found ways to create their own tools and and find alternative routes to the supplies they need. That said, I expect to get the usual brickbats and hate mail, but heck, I was trained as a potter, old-style, with the expectation that I'd build my own kilns, formulate my own glazes from scratch, and so on, an attitude I carried through into glass as well. You can't expect the re-packagers to shoot themselves in the foot by telling their customers that there are less expensive sources (the ones *they use), nor that all they're doing is buying and bottling or bagging larger quantities down into hobby sizes any more than you'd expect them to comply with MSDS regulations (which many of them don't either), would you? I suspect in the case of DiamondCrete that whoever's selling it to the glass world isn't buying it from the company that trademarked the name; it's probably not that involved or complicated a process to produce it, which we won't know until someone here actually orders the instructions. But in the final analysis we have only the two claimants' charges and countercharges, no proof of the veracity of either's claims, and even when someone buys the instructions they can only comment on them, not republish them here, 'cause that'd be violation of copyright, unless it can be shown that the information is already in the public domain, which wouldn't actually surprise me, since many vendors of information are merely selling information that's already available elsewhere if you do the research. My 2c worth, Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 09:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:20:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug20.152050.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/20/98 8:21:50 AM, LuvArtGlas@aol.com wrote: >Mr Cole sent this to me a few days ago.... > >[...] > > We don't publish any patterns. We borrow them, draw them, trace them, > get them out of coloring books etc. [...] Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......... sounds an awful lot like a brazen admission of infringement of copyright to me! Dear "grouchy and suspicious" Albert, I think I agree with you! Of course, one can avoid the "Diamondcrete vs. Diamondcrete" confusion altogether by getting hold of some Rapidset(R) mix. That's what Christie and I are using. Expensive as all get-out (don't know exactly how expensive, sorry!) but 2 hours after you pour it, it's almost rock-solid. Once you unmold it, you've got about 20 minutes to clean off the top before it's too hard to work. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 11:38:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Patterns-Coloring book pics Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.84515.0> Precedence: bulk A good ref for adaptable pics is: (no ferrets but everything else) http://www.bconnex.net/~mbuchana/realms/page7/ Check out the color by numbers glass blower at the bottom of the page Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 12:05:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.92619.0> Precedence: bulk Very well said Albert! Except you forgot to add: America. Ain't it a great country! ;-) Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 12:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.92612.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, now you've really got my = curiosity up, Sparks. Having a a teeny bit of knowledge about cement (Michael does cement sculptures) I know that the strength and consequent longevity of a = cement product depends upon proper curing of the cement. Traditionally, that takes time and water. This two hour curing process makes me a little = suspicious. How old are some of those stepping stones made with Diamoncrete? Any customers coming back with complaints because the stones are cracking? I imagine we'll get some answers in the next few years. I'd sure be interested in feedback from the cement experts if we have any. Is Glenn Spicer still with us? Maybe he would care to comment? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 12:43:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass carving/blasting set up Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.13120.0> References: <<19980820103330.ETC19638@vic>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Are you using liquid pipe dope? That a plumber would use for water and soil pipes? If you, are try teflon pipe thread tape. It comes on a roll like first aid tape. It gets wrapped against the direction of the thread, so it doesn't come off as you thread the fittings together. My brother runs a construction equipment rental company, and they rent/sell/service air compressors up to 1600CFM. All the permanant fittings use teflon tape. I have been using it in automotive applications for 20+ years. Vic LaGreca wrote: > > Desperate for assistance/recommendations > > > sealed with "dope", for the installation. Is there a special type of > sealer for airlines under pressure (175 psi from the tank)? Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 12:52:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Diamond-crete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.43642.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi All, Well Shirley you and I and probably alot of other "stoners" received the same e-mail although mine was from a guy named Sean. So Todd and Sean must be buddies working the net for potential customers. (shock) Probably found us through a search engine, or may be lurking here at bungi (naughty boys!). I suppose if I needed an epoxy-based floor tile cement I could always ask my trusty man at my supply store. I would much rather see him anyway, he's gorgeous! Gives me a great excuse to talk to him. Do I use adhesives, yes, am I satisfied with my adhesive brand, yes. I don't need the e-mail invasion thank you very much! You sounded irritated Shirley about the mail and I was too. I suppose we could offer a product trade with these guys somehow, let's see what could we trade. How about them doing our glass mosaic pieces, all of our glass mosaic pieces for a year. Maybe lugging concrete for us for a year, back and forth, picking up the stones, cutting, cleaning, polishing, humm, what else. Sean could do my housework, clean my 2 year olds nose after he has been playing in the dirt, listen to my 12 year old complain, oh that one is well worth a trade for products to me. He would quit and leave screaming. In regard to Cheryl's find at Art Glass World, the Cole Brothers will, for $10.00, give you a duplicated diamondcrete formula. Let's do it Cheryl and then sell the formula for $20.00 to Todd and Sean, that will give us enough money to buy a glass of wine at the local bar or invest that extra money into the Cole Brothers "How to start an asphalt repair company". Personally I would much rather use the Rapidset mix as referenced to by Sparks today. I do appreciate it when someone mentions a product and then checks it out. My thanks go to Albert and Jenna. This all goes to show that some on the net will go to extreme lengths just to make a buck. Whether it's illegal or not they just don't care. I leave all of you with money in my pocket where it will stay, sorry Sean. Ready for that glass of wine Cheryl? *s* See you, Pam*sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 13:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamond-crete e-mail Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:58:15 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug20.195815.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/20/98 11:20:45 AM Central Daylight Time, alewis@vgernet.net writes: << I suspect in the case of DiamondCrete that whoever's selling it to the glass world isn't buying it from the company that trademarked the name; it's probably not that involved or complicated a process to >> Hi everyone....is this happening to your bungi mail also. What could be causing the problem. I find it very annoying when I am trying to read it. It only seems to be happening on my bungi mail. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 14:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Pictures Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.114430.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BDCC51.6BD3C5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Linda. Wonderful pictures. My 4 1/2 granddaughters thank you = too. Arnold ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BDCC51.6BD3C5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Linda.  Wonderful = pictures. =20 My 4 1/2 granddaughters thank you too.
 
Arnold
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BDCC51.6BD3C5A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 15:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Diamond-crete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:00:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.13010.0> Precedence: bulk Pam....If you're buying, I'll meet you there with Cheryl...O.K. ???? Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 4:08 PM Subject: Re:Diamond-crete >Hi All, > >Well Shirley you and I and probably alot of other "stoners" received >the same e-mail although mine was from a guy named Sean. So Todd and >Sean must be buddies working the net for potential customers. (shock) > >Probably found us through a search engine, or may be lurking here at >bungi (naughty boys!). I suppose if I needed an epoxy-based floor tile >cement I could always ask my trusty man at my supply store. I would much >rather see him anyway, he's gorgeous! Gives me a great excuse to talk to >him. Do I use adhesives, yes, am I satisfied with my adhesive brand, >yes. I don't need the e-mail invasion thank you very much! > >You sounded irritated Shirley about the mail and I was too. I suppose we >could offer a product trade with these guys somehow, let's see what >could we trade. How about them doing our glass mosaic pieces, all of our >glass mosaic pieces for a year. > >Maybe lugging concrete for us for a year, back and forth, picking up the >stones, cutting, cleaning, polishing, humm, what else. Sean could do my >housework, clean my 2 year olds nose after he has been playing in the >dirt, listen to my 12 year old complain, oh that one is well worth a >trade for products to me. He would quit and leave screaming. > >In regard to Cheryl's find at Art Glass World, the Cole Brothers will, >for $10.00, give you a duplicated diamondcrete formula. Let's do it >Cheryl and then sell the formula for $20.00 to Todd and Sean, that will >give us enough money to buy a glass of wine at the local bar or invest >that extra money into the Cole Brothers "How to start an asphalt repair >company". > >Personally I would much rather use the Rapidset mix as referenced to by >Sparks today. I do appreciate it when someone mentions a product and >then checks it out. My thanks go to Albert and Jenna. This all goes to >show that some on the net will go to extreme lengths just to make a >buck. Whether it's illegal or not they just don't care. I leave all of >you with money in my pocket where it will stay, sorry Sean. Ready for >that glass of wine Cheryl? *s* > >See you, > >Pam*sm* > >-- >********************************* >Moswood Mountain Limited >Pamela Burns-Tappan >President >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > >Stained Glass Artists >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 15:58:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Diamond-crete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199808202345.TAA24199@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > This all goes to > show that some on the net will go to extreme lengths just to make a > buck. Whether it's illegal or not they just don't care. Oh, it's legal, I guess, to charge people for publicly available information (not that I know for sure that the Diamondcrete formula is publicly available), since it's Old News in the back of most magazines. Check out the ads in publications like those that have "earn $1,000 week stuffing envelopes" kind of ads. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 16:19:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: subscribe Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:43:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.124348.0> References: <<19980813.175516.14686.0.eldondo1@juno.com>> Precedence: bulk May I please subcribe again???? Don On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:55:15 -0500 eldondo1 writes: >Thanks P.J. I would like to subscribe again please.(and a thanks for >your service) >Don _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 16:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: swbell.net!crclark From: crclark@swbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pictures Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.95536.0> References: <<1998Aug20.114430.0>> Organization: BOY KOW KA KA Precedence: bulk Granny And PawPaw wrote: You're shootin' blanks guys ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 17:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Topic-Color symbolism Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.12170.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi all, Was in the hospital this morning for facet nerve blocks, so while I'm waiting to get sleepy enough to crash the rest of the day, surfing for color theory. Here is some of the info I've come up with, for anyone who is interested. (Yessss, there are a lot of other stuff I should be doing, but doctors orders, sleep as much as I can the rest of the day, an night) So---here goes. I'm chosing only fast loading sites, that should be ok with slower modems. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/rainboe/ http://www.insteam.com/LauraFunderburk/mycolor.htm http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dw4e/color/ http://exchange.coa.edu/HEJourney/polcom/colort.html http://www.fadu.uba.ar/sicyt/color/ecd.htm http://www.bway.net/~jscruggs/index3.html http://felix.scvnet.com/~weber/ http://www.phoenix.net/~jacobson/rgb.html Oh boy thats enough for now======== ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 18:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" Subject: Re: Re:Diamond-crete Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:20:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.102015.0> Precedence: bulk Pam, Sounds good to me. The only problem is it will just put me to sleep. Can't get any work done that way. You bet I am going to check out that Rapidset Mix. Let me know how it goes, Pam. Got to go. Due in Seattle by 6:00, yikes it is Mariners night to. I'll never make it. Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we name it? Cheryl >In regard to Cheryl's find at Art Glass World, the Cole Brothers will, >for $10.00, give you a duplicated diamondcrete formula. Let's do it >Cheryl and then sell the formula for $20.00 to Todd and Sean, that will >give us enough money to buy a glass of wine at the local bar or invest >that extra money into the Cole Brothers "How to start an asphalt repair >company". > >Personally I would much rather use the Rapidset mix as referenced to by >Sparks today. I do appreciate it when someone mentions a product and >then checks it out. My thanks go to Albert and Jenna. This all goes to >show that some on the net will go to extreme lengths just to make a >buck. Whether it's illegal or not they just don't care. I leave all of >you with money in my pocket where it will stay, sorry Sean. Ready for >that glass of wine Cheryl? *s* > >See you, > >Pam*sm* > >-- >********************************* >Moswood Mountain Limited >Pamela Burns-Tappan >President >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > >Stained Glass Artists >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 18:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 'brassing' lead came Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.16426.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Gleason Sackman" >Since brass is rather difficult to bend, I am wondering if it possible to 'make' lead came look like brass.< Why not use the brass-plated lead came? It is regular lead came with a thin brass coating on the outside edges. When finished, only the brass shows. Yet, since it is made mostly of lead, it bends nicely. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 19:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: TAMPA HOME SHOW Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:18:22 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.11822.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I'm planning to go to Tampa over Labor Day weekend to visit my mother and I see that there is a Home Show there that is mentioned at Art Glass World. I think I read somewhere that they have glass-related workshops or classes or something. Has anyone ever attended this show or does anyone know what they might be featuring in the stained glass area? Thanks for any info. Brenda Marhon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 22:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass Carving/blasting set up/ Mia Culpa Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:10:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19980821020813.EQQI123@vic> Precedence: bulk He (my plumber) came, he fixed, and he left with a smile on his face but not until he put some heat on me. His connections, the ones with Teflon tape and a sealer called "Meg-Lock" were fine, mine, the ones done with "Dope" I purchased in Home Depot, were the leakers. Thank you all for the time you took to respond and for the sound advice. Also, to Albert Lewis, I agree with you about Norm Dobbins. The only education I have in etching/carving to date has been from his four tapes which I feel were well worth the investment. His delivery of information and technique were clear, concise and easy to follow. I hope to take his courses when my time allows. Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 22:39:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199808210531.BAA11643@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > In this neck of the woods, stripping is when you dunk furniture etc, Yeah, I know, Shirley ... but the site I was quoting spelled it "striping." (I think I'm right about that, although I could've misread it ... stripping I know all about, since my wife and I are stripping a gazillion linear feet of molding and doors in our new home ... it's all quarter-sawn oak, it turns out: absolutely beautiful doors with three coats o' paint on 'em.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 22:39:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re:Diamond-crete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199808210531.BAA11638@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we > name it? bungicrete? A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 23:00:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Vince Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:21:00 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.4210.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all just thought you would want to know that Vince is alive and well!! I visited with him this week and he is doing great!! He has just finished writing a book and starting to write another one! We had a wonderful time, it was good to see him again!!! I will be away this weekend to WC! I will be back on Sunday evening! Talk to you all then. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 23:01:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: swbell.net!crclark From: crclark@swbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 'brassing' lead came Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:02:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.1426.0> References: <<1998Aug20.16426.0>> Organization: Gran Drivel Precedence: bulk Oh I do agree with you Betty. Please tell me when you'r e finished and I'll help. Thx C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 20 23:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Flux problems. Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.154944.0> Precedence: bulk I picked up a couple bottles of flux last week at the wholesaler. It is Super-Gel Flux by Inland. Usually I use Glasstar Glasflux but grabbed the Inland Flux by mistake. I am trying to do some decorative soldering. Nothing fancy just small beads. The flux smells awful. The beads are flat instead of a nice rounded bead. I can't seem to get any control over the solder. I've played around with the temperature control and that doesn't seem to help at all. The tip is 1/8". I've even changed to a Weller solder Iron my husband brought home from work that has a built in rheostat where you can actually set the temperature- and this tip is really tiny. I haven't had this problem before. I think it is the flux. Oh, I am using 60/40. I am not sure if the flux is really old or if it is the brand. Has anyone else had this problem. My daughter is doing her first glass project. She is framing a wedding invitation for a wedding gift. She is experiencing the trial and error method of glass work. I am so frustrated I want to scream. We've put it aside until tomorrow. Any suggestions? Thanks, frustrated Mom Cheryl Parrott The Glass Parrott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 02:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:bungicrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug20.181910.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we > name it? bungicrete? A O.k. Albert now that we have stolen the name bungicrete from you and of course glenna won't mind. I think Cheryl and I can agree to sell the formula (once we figure out one) to you for oh $25.00. Now I know the price went up but see now we have a name. But for you Albert I think we can give you a $2.50 discount, that's a steal! Think quick because I'm to meet Arnold ( pawpaw) for celebratory drinks at the bar, sorry granny. Yeah, it's friday and it's been a very long week for me, so thanks for the laugh Albert and I hope everyone has a great weekend! A weekend without the bios, darnit I should have saved two! See you, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 04:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond-crete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug21.3717.0> References: <<199808210531.BAA11638@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Brilliant Albert. Why didn't I think of that. CT Albert Lewis wrote: > > Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we > > name it? > > bungicrete? > > A > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 06:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Cross-outs, was Re:Diamond-crete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:27:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.12277.0> Precedence: bulk Is anyone else getting partly crossed-out messages? The one I got from Pamela B-T was almost entirely crossed out, and a few partly crossed-out things have come from Albert too. (I presume this is also what Margie is referring to, but the cross-out phenomenon didn't seem to copy into her reply.) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 06:21:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:27:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.122712.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/20/98 6:26:46 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: >Okay, now you've really got my curiosity up, Sparks. Having a >teeny bit of knowledge about cement (Michael does cement >sculptures) I know that the strength and consequent longevity of a >cement product depends upon proper curing of the cement. >Traditionally, that takes time and water. I don't know all the details about this Rapidset mix. We get it by way of a local SG supplier's hubby who's a paving contractor. They use this stuff to patch airport runways, highways, etc. where rapid curing and hardness are essential. The stuff sets up so fast that once you get the first layer of "sanded grout" in, you barely have time to mix up the second layer (3/8" gravel) mixed up and poured. You have to use more water than with traditional concrete mixes, and it generates so much heat that 20 minutes after you pour it you have to pour a puddle of water over the surface or it just might boil. (With regular cement, covering it with wet burlap is usually enough.) I suspect the proportion of Portland cement (the lime-based stuff that bonds to the water and holds everything together) in the stuff is way higher than in regular mixes. The way we try to work it is to pour the thing and get it cleaned up, let it set for another 24 hours, then waterproof it and let that sit for several days to a week (as much to let the smell of the waterproofing sealer dissipate as anything) before calling the customer and letting them know it's ready. Next time I see Jack, I'll try to remember to ask him if he's got any technical data on the stuff. Hey mon! Gotta go to work! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 08:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:27:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.122712.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/20/98 6:26:46 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: >Okay, now you've really got my curiosity up, Sparks. Having a >teeny bit of knowledge about cement (Michael does cement >sculptures) I know that the strength and consequent longevity of a >cement product depends upon proper curing of the cement. >Traditionally, that takes time and water. I don't know all the details about this Rapidset mix. We get it by way of a local SG supplier's hubby who's a paving contractor. They use this stuff to patch airport runways, highways, etc. where rapid curing and hardness are essential. The stuff sets up so fast that once you get the first layer of "sanded grout" in, you barely have time to mix up the second layer (3/8" gravel) mixed up and poured. You have to use more water than with traditional concrete mixes, and it generates so much heat that 20 minutes after you pour it you have to pour a puddle of water over the surface or it just might boil. (With regular cement, covering it with wet burlap is usually enough.) I suspect the proportion of Portland cement (the lime-based stuff that bonds to the water and holds everything together) in the stuff is way higher than in regular mixes. The way we try to work it is to pour the thing and get it cleaned up, let it set for another 24 hours, then waterproof it and let that sit for several days to a week (as much to let the smell of the waterproofing sealer dissipate as anything) before calling the customer and letting them know it's ready. Next time I see Jack, I'll try to remember to ask him if he's got any technical data on the stuff. Hey mon! Gotta go to work! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 08:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: IBMMAIL.COM!USFMDMUA From: "jgirao PORTUGAL(UTC +01:00)" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Burner Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:29:19 EDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Fellow artists, I know this list is dedicated to glass art, I do not signed it, but in my quest I bumped in to your amazing info site. So I decided to call for help on this one. Any of you know a site were I could see a inside view of a glass burner commonly used to bead and small glass figures making? I already had the chance to see a cut view of a oxi/acet torch, but I am wondering if this burners have the same interior design, usually a simple mixing chamber connected to the through a single tube to the nozzle. Thanking in advance for your helpmy email is usfmdmua@ibmmail.com, but you can also sent this info to your digest I will pick it later... Best Regards, Jose Girao here in Portugal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 08:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com, leestat7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Topic-Color symbolism Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199808211454.HAA06081@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk There's a LOT of really good information in these sites. Thanks Lee. Shiela > Rain-Boe's Creations > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/rainboe/ > > http://www.insteam.com/LauraFunderburk/mycolor.htm > > http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dw4e/color/ > > http://exchange.coa.edu/HEJourney/polcom/colort.html > > http://www.fadu.uba.ar/sicyt/color/ecd.htm > > http://www.bway.net/~jscruggs/index3.html > > http://felix.scvnet.com/~weber/ > > http://www.phoenix.net/~jacobson/rgb.html > > > Oh boy thats enough for now======== > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 09:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cross-outs, was Re:Diamond-crete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199808211601.MAA01430@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Is anyone else getting partly crossed-out messages? It's a byproduct of AOL's software, Sparks. It happens only with AOL readers, although I don't know why. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 09:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug21.6390.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Michael J. Greer" >This two hour curing process makes me a little = suspicious. How old are some of those stepping stones made with Diamoncrete? Any customers coming back with complaints because the stones are cracking? I imagine we'll get some answers in the next few years.< Christie stepping in here (no pun intended). I used to use Quick-Crete (that stuff you can purchase for home use at Home Depot or the like). That stuff just could not stand up to the winters here in Pennsylvania. Got a lot of customer complaints from stepping stones I had made using it. So, I switched to Diamoncrete when it first hit the market. I liked it, but it was oh, so expensive. But no customer complaints. But then I was introduced to Rapidset. It's so wonderful. It truely doe= s set up in 2 hours, but you have to keep it very wet during the cure time since it generates tremendous amounts of heat. What I really like about it is its smooth consistency when it cures. So far it has weathered very= , very well outside my store for the last 6 months. And no complaints from customers - in fact, the opposite. I do plan on leaving a couple of= stepping stones outside all winter, just to test it fully. But I do expe= ct it to hold up very, very well, since this concrete was manufactured for repairing airport runways. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 09:15:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Doug Parrott" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Flux problems. Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 10:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <199808211449.KAA17092@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >I picked up a couple bottles of flux last week at the wholesaler. It is >Super-Gel Flux by Inland. Usually I use Glasstar Glasflux but grabbed the >Inland Flux by mistake. I am trying to do some decorative soldering. >Nothing fancy just small beads. The flux smells awful. The beads are flat >instead of a nice rounded bead. I can't seem to get any control over the >solder. I've played around with the temperature control and that doesn't >seem to help at all. The tip is 1/8". I've even changed to a Weller solder >Iron my husband brought home from work that has a built in rheostat where >you can actually set the temperature- and this tip is really tiny. I >haven't had this problem before. I think it is the flux. Oh, I am using >60/40. I am not sure if the flux is really old or if it is the brand. >Has anyone else had this problem. Hi Frustrated Mom, I don't do a lot of decorative soldering but am very happy using Flux-O-Matic. It has a more syrupy texture, is supposed to be safe for mirrors (?). It just feels better to me than the watery fluxes. Of course it costs more. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 09:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Albert Lewis" , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re:Diamond-crete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:39:07 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Re:Diamond-crete" on Aug 20, 23:27, "Albert Lewis" writes:] > > > Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we > > name it? > > bungicrete? > Ha,...now, now...don't mix us up with the imposter... -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 11:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "GLASS@BUNGI.COM" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Rapidset; was: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug21.85155.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.rapidset.com/ This is just one of may brand of quick setting cement Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 11:49:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug21.9518.0> References: <<1998Aug21.6390.0>> Precedence: bulk I really meant to keep quiet but I couldn't resist adding a couple of pennies worth. Can anybody make a round patio stone for $1.23 - the current price of a 12"ready-made stone at my local Lowe's in Springfield, OH? To that basic price add the cost of a cup/and/a/half of "Thin-Set" and several ounces of latex additive. Probably another 30 cents total. I have been making stones this way for a year. They handled a (mild) winter with no problem. No glass has broken or fallen off. AND I have much more control over the grouting process. For those who don't want the hassle of making the whole stone, I recommend this method. Bob Cutler On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Christie A. Wood wrote: > Message text written by "Michael J. Greer" > >This two hour curing > process makes me a little = > > suspicious. How old are some > of those stepping stones made > with Diamoncrete? Any customers > coming back with complaints > because the stones are cracking? > I imagine we'll get some answers > in the next few years.< > > Christie stepping in here (no pun intended). I used to use Quick-Crete > (that stuff you can purchase for home use at Home Depot or the like). > That stuff just could not stand up to the winters here in Pennsylvania. > Got a lot of customer complaints from stepping stones I had made > using it. > > So, I switched to Diamoncrete when it first hit the market. I liked > it, but it was oh, so expensive. But no customer complaints. > > But then I was introduced to Rapidset. It's so wonderful. It truely doe= > s > set up in 2 hours, but you have to keep it very wet during the cure time > since it generates tremendous amounts of heat. What I really like about > it is its smooth consistency when it cures. So far it has weathered very= > , > very well outside my store for the last 6 months. And no complaints > from customers - in fact, the opposite. I do plan on leaving a couple of= > > stepping stones outside all winter, just to test it fully. But I do expe= > ct > it > to hold up very, very well, since this concrete was manufactured > for repairing airport runways. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = > PA > 1944-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 11:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug21.102529.0> References: <<1998Aug21.6390.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, What do you use to color the Rapidset with?? Or do you use it white (sort of) with your stones?? I haven't gotten into making stones yet, but interest in trying some small ones with scrap glass, sort of mosaic type with small pieces. It should look real good if I can also color the mix. Thanks Lee Boe Who still feels like a mule kicked me in the back with the shots I had yesterday. Thanks for all the kind words everyone, will answer when I can sit longer. Christie A. Wood wrote: <<>>> > But then I was introduced to Rapidset. It's so wonderful. It truely doe= > s > set up in 2 hours, but you have to keep it very wet during the cure time > since it generates tremendous amounts of heat. What I really like about > it is its smooth consistency when it cures. So far it has weathered very= > , > very well outside my store for the last 6 months. And no complaints > from customers - in fact, the opposite. I do plan on leaving a couple of= > > stepping stones outside all winter, just to test it fully. But I do expe= > ct > it > to hold up very, very well, since this concrete was manufactured > for repairing airport runways. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = > PA > 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 13:00:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cross-outs, was Re:Diamond-crete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:28:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.192840.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/21/98 8:07:30 AM Central Daylight Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Is anyone else getting partly crossed-out messages? The one I got from Pamela B-T was almost entirely crossed out, and a few partly crossed-out things have come from Albert too. (I presume this is also what Margie is referring to, but the cross-out phenomenon didn't seem to copy into her reply.) >> Yes Sparks that was what I was referring to. It seems to happen sometimes and other times it doesn't. Makes it very hard to read some of the letters...when you have bad eyes anyway. margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 15:58:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cross-outs, was Re:Diamond-crete Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:40:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug21.224050.0> Precedence: bulk Yep - this has happen before......it was "fixed" several months ago but now it's happening again. Just be sure to read the crossed out info. Lu Ann << yone else getting partly crossed-out messages? The one I got from Pamela B-T was almost entirely crossed out, and a few partly crossed-out things have come from Albert too. (I presume this is also what Margie is referring to, but the cross-out phenomenon didn't seem to copy into her reply.) >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 19:02:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: message board Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:42:04 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.21424.0> Precedence: bulk I have setup a new message board for the stained glass/leadlight interest groups Please visit and leave your comments at http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb131394 Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 21 20:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass site Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:07:32 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.23732.0> Precedence: bulk I found a web site with excellent pictures of windows http://www.glasspainter.com/ Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 07:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: TAMPA HOME SHOW Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:42:37 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug22.134237.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-20 22:29:43 EDT, BMarhon@aol.com writes: << I'm planning to go to Tampa over Labor Day weekend to visit my mother and I see that there is a Home Show there that is mentioned at Art Glass World. I think I read somewhere that they have glass-related workshops or classes or something. >> I *think* I know what you are talking about. It is Art Glass America. Held on Sept 4-7 in the Tampa (FL) Convention Center. It looks to be very large and the classes cover just about every aspect of glass, hot and cold. Class prices range from $100.00 to $265.00 (a few lectures under $100.00). They say that after Aug 25th you must register by phone or fax. The phone numbers are: Toll free 1-877-322-7255 Phone 813-932-7240 Fax 813-932-4220 Hope this is what you are looking for, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 07:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: TAMPA HOME SHOW Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:42:32 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug22.134232.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-20 22:29:43 EDT, BMarhon@aol.com writes: << I'm planning to go to Tampa over Labor Day weekend to visit my mother and I see that there is a Home Show there that is mentioned at Art Glass World. I think I read somewhere that they have glass-related workshops or classes or something. >> I *think* I know what you are talking about. It is Art Glass America. Held on Sept 4-7 in the Tampa (FL) Convention Center. It looks to be very large and the classes cover just about every aspect of glass, hot and cold. Class prices range from $100.00 to $265.00 (a few lectures under $100.00). They say that after Aug 25th you must register by phone or fax. The phone numbers are: Toll free 1-877-322-7255 Phone 813-932-7240 Fax 813-932-4220 Hope this is what you are looking for, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 07:45:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: swbell.net!crclark From: crclark@swbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond-crete Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.05040.0> References: <<1998Aug21.3717.0>> Organization: Gran Drivel Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > > Brilliant Albert. Why didn't I think of that. > > CT > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > Should just stay home and start marketing the new mix.... What should we > > > name it? > > > > bungicrete? > > Hi all, Me too!!! Thx, C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 07:55:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Technical info on Rapid Set concrete Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.62347.0> Precedence: bulk Here's the technical info on Rapid Set (R) concrete mix, as supplied by the manufacturer: Description: A unique dry package blend of hydraulic cement, sand, and gravel (nominal 3/8"). No Chlorides are added. When mixed with water, it produces a quality concrete which attains 2000 psi compressive strength in 1 hour. Ready for traffic use 1 hour after replacement. = Similar in color to portland cement concrete. Has almost zero shrinkage. Applications: Structural repairs & seismic upgrades of bridge locks, pavements, runways, parking structures, loading docks, industrial floors, balconies. Form & pour footings, columns, walls, curbs & gutters, sidewalks. Availability: Through distributors in 60 lb. polyethylene lines bags. Admixtures: Working time is about 20 minutes at 70 degrees F and is longer at lower temperatures, shorter at higher temperatures. It is important that the placement operation be organized with the time limits.= After setting, Rapid Set (R) will gain strength quickly, and finishing operations may be difficult. Working time may be extended by using cold materials and/or Rapid Set (R) Set Control. In cold weather, warm materials and/or Rapid Set (R) Accelerator may be used to hasten the set and strength development. Curing: Water curing is required. Begin curing with a fine mist spray immediately after finishing the concrete. Avoid washing the concrete paste from the surface. Continue water curing until the concrete reaches 1000 psi (about 1 hour after final set). Durability: In geographic areas subject to freeze/thaw conditions, Rapid Set (R) products contain an admixture which produces about 6% air entrainment in the mix. Freeze/Thaw Durability Test Data: Number of cycles Relative modulus Remarks 72 97.9 slight scale 180 89.1 loss of surface fines 252 84.1 increased loss 300 82.4 moderate scaling Typical Test Data: Compressive strength, psi (ASTM C 109) 55 lb. bag 3/4 gal. water 1 hour 4800 3 hours 5000 1 day 5200 7 days 8200 28 days 11,200 time of set: ASTM C 191 25 minutes Cautions: Rapid Set (R) Non-Shrink Multipurpose Cement contains cementious materials and free silica. Prolonged exposure to dust may cause delayed lung disease. Eliminate exposure to dust. Use NIOSH approved mask for silica dust. Freshly mixed materials may cause skin irritation. Avoid direct contact where possibly and wash exposed skin areas promptly in water. If any cementitious material gets into the eyes, rinse immediately and repeatedly with water and get prompt medical attention. Warranty: Rapid Set (R) Products Company warrants its materials to be of good quality and, at its option, within 1 year from date of sale= it will replace material proven defective or refund purchase price thereof. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, = PA 1944-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 08:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oxford.net!tmr From: Teresa Ross To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: making jewelry Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:29:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.15297.0> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I want to thank people for all the help and advice. I'm the one who, = among other things asked for tips on cutting straight. I am selling my = stained glass in a local craft market where I have a small 2' by 2' = booth. It's amazing how much you can put into this small space. I'm = actually selling my pieces quite steadily. I'm interested in making jewelry and wondered if anyone could suggest a = good "how to" book. thanks again for all the help. teresa ross ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 09:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Robert S. Cutler" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.74959.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob- Mike asked me if anyone had mentioned trying portland cement with latex paint to make the stepping stones. Sounds close to what you are doing. The advantage of paint is that you can color the cement in the same step. I don't make stepping stones, but I would be curious to see if this cheap alternative works as well as Diamoncrete. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 15:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: making jewelry Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:31:15 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug22.223115.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/22/98 11:08:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tmr@oxford.net writes: << I'm interested in making jewelry and wondered if anyone could suggest a = good "how to" book. >> If you mean stained glass jewelry, I just got the pattern book Baubles, Dangles & Beads by Kay Bain Weiner. Has loads of designs and instructions for pins, necklaces, earrings, hair combs, etc. Haven't tried anything yet, but they don't look too hard, some only have one piece but decorative soldering looks like a must to dress it up. Also lead free solder should be used for pieces worn near the skin. Probably very salable - call it wearable art! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 16:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:00:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199808222313.AAA23097@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, As regards using paints with Diamondcrete (or Bungicrete... :-> ), over here in UK there is a particular cement paint in pwoder form that one mixes up with the cement mix. Have used it frequently enough for creating particular concrete shapes that could not be bought in the right shape & size (when we were transforming an old bake-house into a residence). A company called "Febmix" manufactures it. It also manufactures retarders for slowing down setting of concrete, speeding agents (for use in cold weather) and frost inhibitors forconcrete mixtures. Haven't made an awful lot of stepping stones myself, but am experimenting with them for use in my own garden, and have made a dozen or so as Birthday presents... I wouldn't dream of using anything other that ordinary cement, aggregate, sand and - if necessary - a re-inforcement mesh. So WHAT if it needs 12 hours to set! What's the hurry?? Total cost of 25 kg of all these ingredients (excl. the mesh) about US Dollars 5 and I know exactly what I am dealing with. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: > Hi Bob- > > Mike asked me if anyone had mentioned > trying portland cement with latex paint to > make the stepping stones. Sounds close > to what you are doing. The advantage of > paint is that you can color the cement in > the same step. I don't make stepping > stones, but I would be curious to see if > this cheap alternative works as well as > Diamoncrete. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 22 17:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Diamondcrete Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:25:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug22.162546.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- We use cement colors, too, which are also purchased in powder form over here. However, I read about using the latex paint and thought to myself "What a clever idea....liquid, colorant, and sealant (and that's = the primary reason for using the latex) all in one can!" And relatively cheap to boot, at least compared = to certain pre-mix kits available out there. Haven't tried it , so have no idea if it works. The only stepping stones = we have look like cow pies with New Grange designs carved into them - leftovers from the bottom of the cement mixer when Michael casts a sculpture! They're not even remotely attractive or charming. ;-) Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 01:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199808230728.IAA00175@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungi people, In Patrick's absence and in order to amuse, prevent bio-addicts from serious withdrawal ailments, the following is offered in a very frivolous mood; B - as in Braybark Sirname/Familyname: Braybark First Name: Toby Tobias DOB: 1994 Training: Well... sort of. Known to have the"gift of the Gab"(Or-as the Irish say: "Kissed the Blarney Stone") Occupation: Sleeping partner of North Lights Stained Glass, UK (i.e. The BOSS!) Current Job: Keep the hosuehold SANE & SAFE Description: HAIRY, Front & back, 1 rump, 1 head, 4 legs, 2 floppy ears, 1 black nose, 2 blue eyes (very appealing!) Size: 7 stone Sex Male: Hobbies: Walking, American Football, "gardening" entertaining American visitors; Pet Hates: glass in feet, being told OFF, being left alone, Ed Sibbett Jr., baths Favourite Music: The words FOOD, Bisquits, Walks, ball Vices: Digging, demolishing tissues, licking ears Favourite Food: Whatever I am not allowed to eat My Dreams: Lots of OES puppies to bring up, lots of stained glass work coming in, house full of fun and laughter; and - - please - may I sleep on the brand new yellow rugs! That's me! Braybark Toby Tobias!! Have a good Sunday everybody! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 07:31:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Toby's bio Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:47:22 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug23.134722.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/23/98 9:07:44 AM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: >In Patrick's absence and in order to amuse, prevent bio-addicts from >serious withdrawal ailments, the following is offered in a very >frivolous mood; > > B - as in Braybark [...] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!! Elisabeth, have you ever given any thought to ghostwriting *people's* bios? I shudder to think what you'd come up with for me! (Oops, I hope I haven't "asked for it." What the hey...) So tell me, Toby Tobias Braybark, have you had the honor of having your portrait done in glass by your Distinguished Artist Roomie? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 09:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Toby Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2303CA996A059C58B53A4864" Subject: Re: Bios Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug23.6388.0> References: <<199808230728.IAA00175@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2303CA996A059C58B53A4864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Toby. . . Loved your life story. . .reading it kept me from bio withdrawal. Have a wonderful Sunday! Nadine > Dear Bungi people, > > In Patrick's absence and in order to amuse, prevent bio-addicts from > serious withdrawal ailments, the following is offered in a very > frivolous mood; > > B - as in Braybark > > Sirname/Familyname: Braybark > First Name: Toby Tobias > DOB: 1994 > Training: Well... sort of. Known to have the"gift > of the Gab"(Or-as the Irish say: > "Kissed the Blarney Stone") > Occupation: Sleeping partner of North Lights > Stained Glass, UK (i.e. The BOSS!) > Current Job: Keep the hosuehold SANE & SAFE > Description: HAIRY, Front & back, 1 rump, 1 head, > 4 legs, 2 floppy ears, 1 black nose, > 2 blue eyes (very appealing!) > Size: 7 stone > Sex Male: > Hobbies: Walking, American Football, "gardening" > entertaining American visitors; > Pet Hates: glass in feet, being told OFF, being > left alone, Ed Sibbett Jr., baths > Favourite Music: The words FOOD, Bisquits, Walks, ball > Vices: Digging, demolishing tissues, licking > ears > Favourite Food: Whatever I am not allowed to eat > My Dreams: Lots of OES puppies to bring up, lots of > stained glass work coming in, house > full of fun and laughter; and - - > please - may I sleep on the brand > new yellow rugs! > > That's me! Braybark Toby Tobias!! > > Have a good Sunday everybody! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------2303CA996A059C58B53A4864 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Nadine Beth Schneider Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Nadine Beth Schneider n: Schneider;Nadine Beth org: Nadine's Folly Art Glass Studio email;internet: nadinesfolly@erols.com title: www.nadinesfolly.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------2303CA996A059C58B53A4864-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 17:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Toby" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bios Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 20:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: <199808240016.UAA19715@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Since we always have *two* bios on the weekend, here's the rest. Besides, we can't let *dogs* rule the Animal Bio section, can we now, Elisabeth? >Sirname/Family name: Albright >First Name: (Sweet) Charity >DOB: 1986 >Training: Slayer of mice; fierce Guardian of the S.G. Studio >Occupation: Sleeping partner and chief groomer of Mystic, my African-American pal; and Suzanne & Jim (our people), who squeeze onto the bed wherever they can find space. >Current Job: Keep the household from becoming too serious. Chief Inspector/Supervisor. >Description: Sleek, Bluepoint Siamese, very dainty and delicate looking, but my appearance is deceiving. Wound tight as a spring. Can jump many times my height, on a dime. >Size: About 9 pounds (3/4 stone?) >Sex Female >Hobbies: Catching mice in basement and bringing them to second floor bathroom, gently dropping them into the bathtub, getting into bathtub with them and watching them trying to get out. When they don't move fast enough, giving them a little pat with my delicate paw. Walking across the living room beams, particularly when "new" people come to visit so they can admire my prowess. Sitting like the Sphynx washing myself on said beams. Sleeping curled up outside S.G. Studio, waiting for my person to stop doing silly glass stuff. >Pet Hates: Water, vacuum cleaner >Vices: Nibbling on my person's nose between 5-7 AM just in case she forgets I'm hungry in the morning >Favourite Food: Butter left on kitchen counter, bacon (brought by Lenore from Friendly's), turkey, lobster, shrimp, cheese >My Dreams: Lots of catnip, people to give me attention, adoration & massages (on MY time schedule only please), some chumps to leave the door open so I can get outside & run like the wind. So there, Mister Toby Tobias! Love From Your Pen-Pal, Charity Albright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 18:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subscribe Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug23.17533.0> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk If I got cut off in a recent service provider fiasco, please put me back on. Thanks. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 23 21:08:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: He's Baaaaack Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.1749.0> Precedence: bulk Be very careful the Irishman is back home and gunning for that crazed Swede. She ( and others) posted illegal, improper (Clinton's words), and probably fattening bios in my absence. I, for one, know that Toby has terrible form when it comes to cutting glass (he's all paws, and a dew claw). His hair is always in his eyes, and the aroma when he comes in from the rain .... oh well you can imagine. And besides he has to sneak up on a mirror or he'll break it with his reflection. And as for that puddy cat .... suffering succotash. I'm back from the dreaded mass of humanity that we Yankees call the capital of the United States. My knuckles are still white from driving in that traffic. Wow. Visited Meredith Stained Glass (thanks Jenna). I was like a kid in a candy store with one exception: I couldn't take advantage of the specials they offered or the plane wouldn't be able to take off. I highly recommend visiting their place if you are anywhere near Laurel, Maryland. They are great people and fine artists (any donations for this advertisement should be sent to " The Patrick Kelly Home for Unwed Fathers"). Also visited with Nadine and Larry Schnieder. She is doing extraordinary work and her studio is a dream (thanks for your hospitality Nadine and Larry). Have to go now .... my nose keeps hitting the space bar on the keyboard (jet lag). Its great to be home. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 07:53:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: He's Baaaaack Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.9181.0> References: <<1998Aug24.1749.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk OK, for the geographically disadvantaged, and too lazy to go to Yahoo to find it, where is Laurel, MD? I'm taking a jaunt from NY to DC to drop the younger and most of what he owns off @ Georgetown this weekend, and am taking some time to visit friends in DC and MD. I'm driving a Suburban, so my credit card can fill faster than my car. Pat Kelly wrote: > Visited Meredith Stained Glass (thanks Jenna). I was like a kid in a candy > store with one exception: I couldn't take advantage of the specials they > offered or the plane wouldn't be able to take off. I highly recommend > visiting their place if you are anywhere near Laurel, Maryland. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 09:06:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Youghiogheny and WC weekend Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.6923.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I was lucky enough to spend time...revelling in glass this weekend. I stopped at the Youghiogheny Station in Connellville,PA on Friday. John was great and showed me around and showed me the glassblowing and finishing processes. Awe-inspiring!!! Of course, I had to wrestle to get a few T-shirts from him..before he absconded with them to W.C.(Warner-Crivellaro) I found some great Youckie glass there, and the Unclassified was heaven...yes, I, probably spent to much, but what the heck...Ya only live once. Thanks John. I spent 2 days at W.C. and had a great time!! Tommy G., Joe Porcelli and the other guy(forgot his name) were fun and informative for all. W.C. did a great job, lots of friendly volunteers and helpful hands on displays and Great Glass representatives. Robert Oddy was there and his work is like a sunset, colorful and uniquely designed that changes from every angle. A must see for someone who has never seen it. Unfortuately, only bad part of wkend was ROAD CONTRUCTION!!! but made it home with everything and not one piece of glass broken. A first I think..LOL. Jill Medlyn jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 12:36:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: Stained Glass Artists , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.44723.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Calling all bird watchers! Well here is the question for the day if anyone can answer this for me I would be grateful! I am doing a stone bird bath/fountain for my mother and adding stained glass to the inside of the bath itself. Now her question to me was "If you put glass in the bath part won't that scare the birds away"? Well I have never had anyone ask me this question before. I've done 10 million bird baths and the question just has to be asked by my mom, good grief! I told her I would ask around and maybe a knowledgeable person with glass and bird experience could tell me. So the question is: Do certain colors of glass or shapes tend to scare the birds away? The pattern on the bath section is a hummingbird with floral accents. The birds that live in our area are Robins, Blue Jays, Sparrows, Finch, Pigeon etc., if that helps any. Thanks! Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 14:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ??? Date: Mon Aug 24 14:15:05 1998 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.11515.0> Precedence: bulk I saw the sign at talked to a couple of your members at Glass Visions '98. I am not sure what I am getting into but ..... Vic Modiano ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 15:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:04:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug24.22416.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_903996256_boundary Content-ID: <0_903996256@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_903996256_boundary Content-ID: <0_903996256@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Yegnim@aol.com Return-path: To: ptap@pacifier.com Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:59:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Pam, Not much experience here with attracting birds, however, I know that mirrors are put into bird cages so the birds can see another bird in their cage. Also, I have seen bird baths with little cement birds sitting on the edge of them. With the image of a bird inside of the fountain, I cannot imagine it scaring a bird away. You did say hummer, not owl, right? Sounds as if you made the birdbath from scratch, although I could misunderstood you. If you did make the actual birdbath, could you give details? Lenore --part0_903996256_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 16:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:04:16 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug24.22416.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_903996256_boundary Content-ID: <0_903996256@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_903996256_boundary Content-ID: <0_903996256@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Yegnim@aol.com Return-path: To: ptap@pacifier.com Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:59:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Pam, Not much experience here with attracting birds, however, I know that mirrors are put into bird cages so the birds can see another bird in their cage. Also, I have seen bird baths with little cement birds sitting on the edge of them. With the image of a bird inside of the fountain, I cannot imagine it scaring a bird away. You did say hummer, not owl, right? Sounds as if you made the birdbath from scratch, although I could misunderstood you. If you did make the actual birdbath, could you give details? Lenore --part0_903996256_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 16:49:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:26:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199808250034.UAA23228@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I saw the sign at talked to a couple of your members at Glass Visions > '98. > I am not sure what I am getting into but ..... Hi, Vic. You would have known a lot more if I hadn't messed up on sending the boxes of stuff to arrive in time for the show. I was packing boxes to ship *while *the *show *was *going *on ... duh. One thing, though, just so you know: glass@bungi.com is a glass news group on which many members of the Guild participate, but it's not owned or run by the Guild. Somehow I had the impression that you had thought that when you said, you "talked to a couple of [our] members at Glass Visions." Lavergne and the others did a great job with scratch paper, pencils and sheer enthusiasm, obviously, overcoming my Xtreme loss of brain cells in getting the date wrong. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 18:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy Hupp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: tempered glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.171412.0> Precedence: bulk I think we may have coverd this recently, but I'm either wrong or wasn't paying attention. (Knowing full well that I would never try to cut tempered glass.) A friend salvaged glass from sliding glass doors and asked my husband to cut it for him. My husband scored it, and no matter what the pressure, even with a pencil under it, could not get it to break. He actually knelt on it with his knees. My brother gave me a window sized piece of glass. As soon AS I TRIED to score it, it shattered into a zillion pieces. And I'm the actual glass worker in the family. What on earth did he get hold of? I told him not to try, it would shatter. Made a fool out of me. He couldn't even break it at all. He asked that I ask you guys. I told him that you would say take it to a glass shop or hardware store that is capable of cutting it. I think they can, or so I have heard. What do you say? Thanks, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 20:00:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tempered Glass Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.182320.0> Precedence: bulk Years ago, and I guess that it still exists, there was a glass used for solid glass doors called Herculite. You couldn't break it with a hammer, but if you hit it with an ice pick it would fall into beads. That might be the glass you had. It was used for entry doors in retail stores. Arnold Creekside Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 24 20:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:40:10 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.224010.0> Precedence: bulk i think tempered glass is made by quickly cooling the surface of the glass to create a sort of hardened "skin" with extreme tension inside. A bit like tempered steel (so the name). I makes sense that when you score the surface you then release those tensions and shatter the glass. I even heard that you can't even etch it. (would be nice for custom windscreen in cars!). there is a discussion started on the discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 How about posting a few comments there. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 01:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bird Bathes Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug24.182425.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I did not see the letter part of the message response from Yegnim. I to have thought about this questions and would like to know the answer for the future, when I have figured out how to do bird baths. Thanks Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 03:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bird Bathes Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:17:41 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug25.101741.0> Precedence: bulk < Shirley states that she did not see the content of the letter from yegnim. Shirley and others: the content is there, just scroll down past the jibberish. Sorry my computer skills are not up-to-par YET! So much to learn, so little time. Sigh........ Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 06:04:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 05:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Gerard Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: re tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug25.41513.0> References: <<1998Aug25.224010.0>> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Gerard wrote: > i think tempered glass is made by quickly cooling the surface of the glass > to create a sort of hardened "skin" with extreme tension inside. A bit like > tempered steel (so the name). I makes sense that when you score the surface > you then release those tensions and shatter the glass. I even heard that you > can't even etch it. (would be nice for custom windscreen in cars!). there is > a discussion started on the discussion board at > http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 > How about posting a few comments there. > Here are my comments, which will demonstrate a bit of ignorance of several subjects on my part. Attention motorheads, this is where you will have definitive info. Is the glass in the "stationary vent" windows in US cars the same kind as in the windshield? Next question: haven't I seen more than one low rider with the Virgin of Guadalupe etched in those vent windows? The one I remember examining closely did not have a sandwich of safety glass around standard. It was a street rod licensed to cruise by the state of Arizona. So there are the questions: can safe-lite really not be etched? Is the glass the same all around the car, as I'd always assumed? Are safety standards not the same in all states? Curiously yours, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 07:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.5253.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan >I am doing a stone bird bath/fountain for my mother and adding stained glass to the inside of the bath itself. Now her question to me was "If you put glass in the bath part won't that scare the birds away"?< The blue-jays in my area love the birdbath that features bright red & yellow sun on a light blue background. They avoid the ivy green on beige/white background patterned one sitting next to the sun birdbath. Go figure. The insects (bumblebees, wasps, honeybees) like the abstract shorter birdbath (closer to the ground) which features iridescent white, iridescent black, red, and green colors. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 07:41:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mosaic'ed Birdbaths Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.5256.0> Precedence: bulk How to do mosaic'ed birdbaths: 1.) Purchase birdbath of your choice from garden center of your choice 2.) Draw design inside bowl of birdbath 3.) Glue (GE Silicon II) stained glass pieces inside bowl of birdbath 4.) Grout (Polyblend non-sanded tile grout in color of your choice) bowl of birdbath 5.) Leave until ALMOST dry, then wipe off excess grout using paper towels, damp sponge, whatever 6.) Let dry (overnight or at least 2 hours) 7.) Do final excess grout clean-up using dull knife 8.) File off any sharp edges using diamond file 9.) Thourally remove dust 10.) Seal up bowl using a water sealant for cement (Thompson WaterSealer) 11.) Wipe off excess sealant from glass 12.) Let dry 13.) Optional - polish Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 08:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Need some ideas Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.31619.0> Precedence: bulk Good Morning All, I asked for 'backbone" once,and was richly rewarded. Now I need some ideas. Someone gave me about one half dozen old wooden window sashs. Thw wood is in good shape and so is the glass for that matter. I've been toying with the idea of replacing the existing glass, each about 6 1/2" x 8", 6 per sash, with stained glass. The brass locks and lifts are still in place. I've considered just putting in pretty pieces of glass and hanging it with a brass chain over an existing window. The glass pieces are almost too small to do any kind of picture, I think. How about some feed back? We were lucky here on this section of the Texas coast. The tropical depression, Charlie, dropped a LOT of rain west of us causing many deaths and much destruction. .We may get it on the next storm but we missed it this time. Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 09:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Kathy Hupp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.62116.0> References: <<1998Aug24.171412.0>> Precedence: bulk Kathy Hupp wrote: > > I think we may have coverd this recently, but I'm either wrong or wasn't > paying attention. (Knowing full well that I would never try to cut > tempered glass.) > > A friend salvaged glass from sliding glass doors and asked my husband to > cut it for him. My husband scored it, and no matter what the pressure, > even with a pencil under it, could not get it to break. He actually > knelt on it with his knees. > > My brother gave me a window sized piece of glass. As soon AS I TRIED to > score it, it shattered into a zillion pieces. And I'm the actual glass > worker in the family. > > What on earth did he get hold of? I told him not to try, it would > shatter. Made a fool out of me. He couldn't even break it at all. > > He asked that I ask you guys. I told him that you would say take it to > a glass shop or hardware store that is capable of cutting it. I think > they can, or so I have heard. What do you say? > > Thanks, Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass nothing that i know of, tempered glass has to be cut when it's still untemepered. then it can be tempered. right now it's under alot of stress. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 09:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: re tempered glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:30:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199808251639.MAA02652@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Attention motorheads, this is where you will have definitive info. Is the > glass in the "stationary vent" windows in US cars the same kind as in the > windshield? Nope. The windshield's laminated, the windwings and windows are tempered. > Next question: haven't I seen more than one low rider with the Virgin of > Guadalupe etched in those vent windows? It *is possible to abrasive etch tempered glass and laminated glass, but it's tricky. Get in touch with the illlustrious Dan Fenton and Kathy Bradford at one of their many round-the-country workshops and ask 'em. On the other hand, Penelope Comfort Starr wrote an article in the March 1987 issue of Professional Stained Glass: "Sandblasting Laminated, Tempered and Bent Glass." > So there are the questions: can safe-lite really not be etched? Is the > glass the same all around the car, as I'd always assumed? Are safety > standards not the same in all states? Automobile safety standards are federally mandated. You're right. By the way, here's a very interesting (and possibly helpful) table showing the strength of glass, whether it's regular single strength, annealed, tempered, sandblasted, etc. http://regionalweb.texoma.net/Codes/Building/tb2405-3.htm Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 10:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: re tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 07:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Aug25.41513.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Attention motorheads, this is where you will have definitive info. Is the > glass in the "stationary vent" windows in US cars the same kind as in the > windshield? > > Next question: haven't I seen more than one low rider with the Virgin of > Guadalupe etched in those vent windows? The one I remember examining > closely did not have a sandwich of safety glass around standard. It was a > street rod licensed to cruise by the state of Arizona. > > So there are the questions: can safe-lite really not be etched? Is the > glass the same all around the car, as I'd always assumed? Are safety > standards not the same in all states? > > Curiously yours, > > Mary glass in car windows is not tempered. it is a laminate (2 pieces of glass with a plastic layer between them). thus, it can be etched safely. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 10:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: He's Baaaaack (gulp!) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199808251333.OAA01008@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh drat! I thought we were going to have some peace & quiet for a little while!!! ;-) > Be very careful the Irishman is back home and gunning for that crazed Swede. I hear a menacing low growl behind me.... and a hot snort in my ear telling me that that Crazy Irish will soon become leg-less (and it won't be from the double-malted variety either... I'm told). Toby tells me that he has finished his last bone, plus the hoof that arrived all the way from USA and he could do with a nice Irish couple of legs; in fact he would be quite happy to allow me to help himself...... Being the gentleman that he is, he is quite prepared to await my say-so first.... He also wish to remind of the old saying: "Pigs pong, horses sweat, gentlemen perspire and ladies only glow a little". This Irish character, says Toby, is obviously neither a lady nor a gentleman.... >I, for one, know that Toby has terrible form > when it comes to cutting glass (he's all paws, and a dew claw). His hair is > always in his eyes, and the aroma when he comes in from the rain .... oh > well you can imagine. And besides he has to sneak up on a mirror or he'll > break it with his reflection. Charity!!! Prime your claws!!! > And as for that puddy cat .... suffering > succotash. Oh, well!! One learns something every day!!! There was me thinking that Washington D.C. was a sleepy little suburb to N.Y.... All I know about it is, that folks there obviously sleep around a lot .... :-> > I'm back from the dreaded mass of humanity that we Yankees call the capital > of the United States. My knuckles are still white from driving in that > traffic. Wow. > It's the double-malted stuff again!! > Have to go now .... my nose keeps hitting the space bar on the keyboard As regards the article on Colours and Light in the S.T.M. I did my sums and realized that making coloured and b/w photocopies would cost me a fortune. So back to the scanner!! The magazine format is larger than A4 (almost A3) and has 3 columns per page, plus pics. I spent Sunday and all day Monday in scanning the pages (and YES! Mary! - you're dead right!! Everything to avoid doing what I really SHOULD be doing!!), and had a long conversation with Lee about scanning and use of OCR (I'm a total novice!). So I am busy scanning, learning and "knitting" the text together and am half-way there. Bear with me... As regards the question of having made a stained glass panel of an Old English Sheepdog, the answer is Yes, I have. Many years ago (I think about 20), as a demonstration to students that one can draw and design almost anything in stained glass and that if kept simple, it can often be more effective. What could be more difficult to draw and design than a woolly mess in white and grey. I still have a photograph of the 12" x 12" panel (but gave the panel itself away later, as a present.....). Anyone interested? I'll be happy to scan it and send it to you,.... seeing that I'm currently in scanning mode anyway. I must also knuckle down to respond to my off-group mail..... oh, yes! -, and the tax-man wants his quarterly pound of flesh again..... Let go Toby!!! It's Irish!!! BAD for you!!! Give it to the Tax Man instead!!! Let GO I said!!! NOW!!! Teehee from Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 10:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re safety glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:59:57 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.95957.0> Precedence: bulk i probably opened a can of worms there. safety glass ain't safety glass! if you call it a windshield it's probably made by sandwich of plastic sheet between 2 sheets of glass. if it's called a windscreen it must be a different kind of glass like tempered glass (the one that shatters in small squares instead of cracking in a star pattern) And i believe that safety standard ARE different in various parts of the world. You should see the way things are done around here. Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 11:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need some ideas Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:55:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.85523.0> References: <<1998Aug25.31619.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I have seen: 1) take the panes of glass out, replace with mirror. 2) same as above, add a shelf to bottom, put plants or curios on shelf 3) do a landscape scene, mount behind 'window', hang on wall. Gives appearance of a real window (good for somebody's office, or cubicle fibers wrote: > > Good Morning All, > > Someone gave me about one half dozen old wooden window sashs. Thw wood > is in good shape and so is the glass for that matter. I've been toying > with the idea of replacing the existing glass, each about 6 1/2" x 8", 6 > per sash, with stained glass. The brass locks and lifts are still in > place. I've considered just putting in pretty pieces of glass and > hanging it with a brass chain over an existing window. > The glass pieces are almost too small to do any kind of picture, I > think. > How about some feed back? Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 11:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tempered glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199808251934.PAA11150@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > He asked that I ask you guys. I told him that you would say take it to > > a glass shop or hardware store that is capable of cutting it. I think > > they can, or so I have heard. What do you say? > nothing that i know of, tempered glass has to be cut when it's still > untemepered. then it can be tempered. right now it's under alot of > stress. Quite true, Mike. As I understand the process, glass has to be first cut to size, *then tempered. Glass that is already tempered can't be cut ... well, it *can, but then you end up with a gazillion tiny pieces, which isn't what's being sought here. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 13:06:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808251655.JAA08854@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Kathy, >From what I understand tempered glass is made in different degrees of tempering, but there are standards. Once visited a large manufactoring shop that also made bullet proof glass. Rather interesting since they actually have a shooting room to try out the glass. Tempered glass can be scary as it doesn't need to shatter as soon as you try to sandblast it. Friend of mine had his blow up hours later. As far as trying to score and cut tempered glass that's a no no. The pressure on the glass if it's the right amount will cause it to shatter. Windshield glass must have a strong tempering as they can be in real bad shape but not shatter. Hope this gives some more light and it's just my opinion. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 13:31:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: He's Baaaaack (gulp!) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:14:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug25.181411.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/25/98 1:59:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: << Oh, well!! One learns something every day!!! There was me thinking that Washington D.C. was a sleepy little suburb to N.Y.... All I know about it is, that folks there obviously sleep around a lot .... :-> >> hey now! Don't let him bring all of us down!!! Jenna Meredith-Sanders non-sleeping around resident of Wash, DC suburbs.... Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 13:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:01:29 -0700 Message-ID: <199808251801.LAA02609@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan >>I am doing a stone bird bath/fountain for my mother and adding stained >glass to the inside of the bath itself. Now her question to me was "If >you put glass in the bath part won't that scare the birds away"?< Took this question to my tenant who's a park naturalist and an avid birder to boot...his reply was inconclusive. He thought that birds with what he calls personality (what I call noisy, raucous thugs) such as blue jays and crows would be attracted to bright shiny colours. He couldn't comment on the smaller birds, finches, robins, chickadees, etc. but came up with the following suggestions for investigation: tape some coloured square of plastic to the bottom of a bird bath and watch for changes in bird behaviour. scatter coloured glass nuggets (gee I guess he's been paying attention when he's visited the studio...he knew their correct name. At shows I usually hear things like "those glass thingies") in the bottom of a bird bath and again watch for changes in bird behaviour. He thought very little research has been done on the subject of birds and color recognition...attraction or avoidance. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.bungi.com/glass/igga/synergy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 14:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: re tempered glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:37:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199808252046.QAA15139@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > glass in car windows is not tempered. it is a laminate (2 pieces of glass with > a plastic layer between them). thus, it can be etched safely. Charles, is that true? I've broken out windwings (since I've locked myself out) and they shatter all over the place, which would indicate to me that they're not laminated. In that case, they'd just break and bend, rather than explode into the car's interior as my experience shows. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 14:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: jewelery Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug23.85422.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: Someone was inquiring about a book on making jewelry. I'm also interested, but would like a book describing "wire-wrapping" glass (for jewelry, suncatchers, etc.). Thanks in advance....this is a great question and answer group!! Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 14:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chih1.telmex.net.mx!fammarti From: gabriela martinez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: tiffany lamps Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:58:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980825125847.00798d10@chih1.telmex.net.mx> Precedence: bulk Hello to all. I like to know if some of you had made a tiffany lamp and what line of glass have you used. and if you can give me some tips so I make no mistakes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 14:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:tempered glass and laminated Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808251930.MAA19428@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, Yep, windshields are laminated... My mistake on the subject:):) Hence when they shatter they'd shatter all over you if they were not. Did not know this until now, chuckle. Had to call up a buddy in the auto glass business..big smile. Laminated glass can be blasted, but not to the half way mark as it will lose it's strength of the glass...this I know, chuckle. Signing out, Cindy >> > > > >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 15:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need some ideas Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.135856.0> References: <<1998Aug25.31619.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > Good Morning All, > > I asked for 'backbone" once,and was richly rewarded. Now I need some > ideas. > > Someone gave me about one half dozen old wooden window sashs. Thw wood > is in good shape and so is the glass for that matter. I've been toying > with the idea of replacing the existing glass, each about 6 1/2" x 8", 6 > per sash, with stained glass. The brass locks and lifts are still in > place. I've considered just putting in pretty pieces of glass and > hanging it with a brass chain over an existing window. > The glass pieces are almost too small to do any kind of picture, I > think. > How about some feed back? > We were lucky here on this section of the Texas coast. The tropical > depression, Charlie, dropped a LOT of rain west of us causing many > deaths and much destruction. .We may get it on the next storm but we > missed it this time. > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the most popular thing i've seen with this to replace the glass with mirror, and hang it on the wall. keep the finish and hardware attached. just add a chain or hooks. another idea is to use the stained glass approach. make it look like your looking outside: blue sky, birds, trees, etc. it might be neat to hang it on a blank wall. i've seen this idea as a faux window painted on the wall. but with real curtains, kinda neat. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 16:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany Lamps Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:19:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.141957.0> Precedence: bulk Your best bet would be for you to run, don't walk, to your friendly stained glass retailer. You will find them to be friendly and most helpful. It is to their interest for you be pleased with your efforts. They'll work with you, sell you only what you need, and train you to express yourself in this medium. The reason is simple...If you aren't happy with your project when finished, they've lost you as a customer. When your friends and family "can't believe that you made that", you're "sucked in", and the've got you..... Your little ol" retailer, Arnold Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 16:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Jewelry Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.143136.0> Precedence: bulk Carolyn, A couple of books that might help are: Hot and Wired by John Smith &Linda Abbott Hot Glass Jewelry by Nellann Roberts Baubles, Bangles & Beads Stained Glass Jewelry by Kay Weiner Hope this helps Arnold ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 17:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mosaic'ed Birdbaths Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug25.232623.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Christie - you make it sound so easy I just might try one! Brenda In a message dated 8/25/98 10:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: How to do mosaic'ed birdbaths: 1.) Purchase birdbath of your choice from garden center of your choice 2.) Draw design inside bowl of birdbath 3.) Glue (GE Silicon II) stained glass pieces inside bowl of birdbath 4.) Grout (Polyblend non-sanded tile grout in color of your choice) bowl of birdbath 5.) Leave until ALMOST dry, then wipe off excess grout using paper towels, damp sponge, whatever 6.) Let dry (overnight or at least 2 hours) 7.) Do final excess grout clean-up using dull knife 8.) File off any sharp edges using diamond file 9.) Thourally remove dust 10.) Seal up bowl using a water sealant for cement (Thompson WaterSealer) 11.) Wipe off excess sealant from glass 12.) Let dry 13.) Optional - polish ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 18:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need some ideas Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:35:27 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug25.233527.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/25/98 11:25:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fibers@wcnet.net writes: Someone gave me about one half dozen old wooden window sashs. Thw wood is in good shape and so is the glass for that matter. I've been toying with the idea of replacing the existing glass, each about 6 1/2" x 8", 6 per sash, with stained glass. The brass locks and lifts are still in place. I've considered just putting in pretty pieces of glass and hanging it with a brass chain over an existing window. The glass pieces are almost too small to do any kind of picture, I think. How about some feed back? >> How about treating the six panes as one large one and having the design flow from one into the other? Or geometric designs, maybe incorporating small bevels or jewels. Sounds like a fun project that you could do a pane at a time when nothing else is in the works. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 19:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mosaic'ed Birdbaths Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug25.232623.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Christie - you make it sound so easy I just might try one! Brenda In a message dated 8/25/98 10:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: How to do mosaic'ed birdbaths: 1.) Purchase birdbath of your choice from garden center of your choice 2.) Draw design inside bowl of birdbath 3.) Glue (GE Silicon II) stained glass pieces inside bowl of birdbath 4.) Grout (Polyblend non-sanded tile grout in color of your choice) bowl of birdbath 5.) Leave until ALMOST dry, then wipe off excess grout using paper towels, damp sponge, whatever 6.) Let dry (overnight or at least 2 hours) 7.) Do final excess grout clean-up using dull knife 8.) File off any sharp edges using diamond file 9.) Thourally remove dust 10.) Seal up bowl using a water sealant for cement (Thompson WaterSealer) 11.) Wipe off excess sealant from glass 12.) Let dry 13.) Optional - polish ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 19:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: jewelery Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.164836.0> Precedence: bulk And speaking of wire-wrapping jewelry, I know there is a book = available that deals with wire-work including little jig set-ups for whipping up scroll-like embellishments for jewelry. Anyone know the = name of the book or the author = and who might sell it? Thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 20:13:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: re tempered glass Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:21:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.2211.0> Precedence: bulk My son drove (past tense...its parked in my garage) a circa 70s chevy nova, until a road rage incident directed at him resulted in everyone of his windows broken out into a gazillion little bits..... not a piece of glass remaining....only millions....and then he used the shop vac to clean it up....I didn't realize the kid didn't empty it and tried to roll it out of the garage. Almost, very almost, ended up on my butt. Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 20:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Need some ideas Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:15:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.171553.0> Precedence: bulk Recently I changed jobs. My new position came with a office with two large windows. As office politics would have it one of my (window less)co-workers really wanted this office with the windows. He made up excuses why he absolutely needed it. I really didn't care because most of the time I keep the glare off my monitor by closing the blinds (which enrages him). The boss made a management decision that I would have the office and of course the co-worker pouted for weeks. You all seem to know my sense of humor and can appreciate what follows. I made a window frame with mirror in place of the glass complete with sill and when he was on vacation hung it on his wall ( I am such a nice guy). When the rest of the staff saw it they all jumped on the bandwagon. By the time he came back, there was real curtains and rod with tie backs, a long stemmed silk rosebud with vase, a glass blue bird, white-out spots simulating pigeon leavings, empty sunflower shells glued to the sill, grass clippings, and more. Some of the other workers actually had a countdown calendar waiting for him to return. Finally the day arrived. He walked into his office, noticed the window and got to laughing so hard he could hardly stand-up. He was so impressed he called his wife and all of his friends to view his new custom made window. Now it is a ritual when he come to work he opens the faux window and breathes deeply. What a hoot. I guess the point is you could make faux windows and hang them anywhere. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 21:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: newsgroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wire work jig Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug25.14512.0> Precedence: bulk A Wig-Jig forms wire designs for jewelry. Rings and things sells them and they may also sell books. http://www.rings-things.com I hope this helps. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 22:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:29:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chem-o-lene??? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug25.175217.0> Precedence: bulk I have read that Chem-o-lene is a cheaper, cleaner alternative gas for lampworking. Does anyone know if it can be used as a single fuel source, i.e. a substitute for MAPP gas, with a Hothead torch, or must it be combined with oxygen? Any other info on this gas??? Thanks!...... Joan...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 22:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need some ideas Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:49:58 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.44958.0> Precedence: bulk i saw a movie once where a women used old windows as a room divider... she lift in a giant loft and i loved the effect.. LuvArtGlas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 25 23:01:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: tiffany lamps Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:21 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.214721.0> Precedence: bulk Gabriela we do make tiffany lamps and we try to use the best available glass.(Uroboros or Bullseye) some of the early model we made with cheaper glass but the effect is not as good for a very small reduction of cost. The cheap asian imports are made with cheap glass and that's the edge we have over them. you might be able to see some of our lamps at www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 01:18:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: luton.ac.uk!david.outram From: david.outram@luton.ac.uk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Where are you? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.83828.0> Organization: University of Luton Precedence: bulk Glenna, can you check as to if I'm still on the list, as I don't appear to have recieved any mail for 2 weeks. Sorry for waiting so long but we thought there was a problem at this end initially, however your mailing list appears to be the only one I don't appear to be receiving. Many thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 03:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chem-o-lene??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:43:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199808261153.HAA26813@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I have read that Chem-o-lene is a cheaper, cleaner alternative gas for > lampworking. If you don't get an answer here, Joan, try the bulletin board at http://www.hotglass.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 06:07:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:24:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.122410.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/25/98 9:46:40 PM, seaspray@mail.island.net wrote: >Took this question to my tenant who's a park naturalist and an avid birder >to boot...his reply was inconclusive. [...] but came up with the >following suggestions for investigation: > >tape some coloured square of plastic to the bottom of a bird bath and watch >for changes in bird behaviour. > >[...] > >He thought very little research has been done on the subject of birds and >color recognition...attraction or avoidance. Birds do see in color (otherwise what would be the use of all those peacock feathers, besides giving all those Nouveau artists something to do?), and some of them do have strong preferences for one color or another. Down Under in the Land of Oz there's a group of birds called "bower-birds" that don't bother with growing fancy feathers. Instead, the males build arched shelters ("bowers") in the underbrush, go out and collect scraps of glass, paper, plastic, pottery, anything they can find in a particular color, and cover the entire floor of the shelter with them to attract the ladies. One species is crazy about red, another goes for blue. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 06:31:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: re tempered glass Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:33:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.123331.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/25/98 10:32:59 PM, alewis@vgernet.net wrote: >> glass in car windows is not tempered. it is a laminate (2 pieces of glass with > >> a plastic layer between them). thus, it can be etched safely. > >Charles, is that true? I've broken out windwings (since I've locked >myself out) and they shatter all over the place, which would indicate >to me that they're not laminated. In that case, they'd just break and >bend, rather than explode into the car's interior as my experience >shows. The laminated glass is a relatively new thing. Last 30-35 years? I remember all the publicity when it came out. "Herculite K" - the glass that crumbles - came out around the same time, I think. AFAIK, laminated glass is generally only used for windshields, and the other windows of a car are made of "crumbly" glass (at least that's true of cars you see in the USofA). Some plate-glass windows are made of crumbly glass too. Several years ago one of the front windows of a local art gallery was shot out, and an artist collected up a bunch of the glass crumbs and made an abstract mosaic piece (using cast resin as the "grout") that now hangs in the main entryway of the gallery. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 07:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: tiffany lamps Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.53045.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by gabriela martinez >I like to know if some of you had made a tiffany lamp and what line of glass have you used.< I like to use Youghiogheny glass for lampshades. Armstrong is nice also. I try to avoid Spectrum, as most customers think it's plastic. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 08:05:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New Question: Backround display color choice Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:22:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug26.142238.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all: It was nice to finally meet a few fellow bungians at Glass Visions! I had a good time (aside from the humidity) and learned some new things (as well as getting to take home some great bargains!). Now here is my question: First real craft show coming up, and I haven't purchased table coverings yet - due to my total confusion, or I guess I should say indecision, as to what color (or lack there of) to use for background : white or black. I seem to find myself leaning toward white - to be able to display those beautiful colors - yet, I've seen many glass people who use black. I am now thoroughly confused. This will be for things on tables - not hanging items. I'm interested in hearing others' prefrences, and will be waiting in eager anticipation for some expert opinions and advice! Thanks to all! Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 09:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Question: Backround display color choice Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.72729.0> References: <<1998Aug26.142238.0>> Precedence: bulk HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > > Hello all: > > It was nice to finally meet a few fellow bungians at Glass Visions! I had a > good time (aside from the humidity) and learned some new things (as well as > getting to take home some great bargains!). Now here is my question: > > First real craft show coming up, and I haven't purchased table coverings yet - > due to my total confusion, or I guess I should say indecision, as to what > color (or lack there of) to use for background : white or black. I seem to > find myself leaning toward white - to be able to display those beautiful > colors - yet, I've seen many glass people who use black. I am now thoroughly > confused. This will be for things on tables - not hanging items. I'm > interested in hearing others' prefrences, and will be waiting in eager > anticipation for some expert opinions and advice! > Thanks to all! > > Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would choose something in the creme family. black absorbs all the light, and all clear colors will look black. white, works nicely but it will be blinding in the sun (if you don't use a tent of some kind). i woud'nt use a pattern, because it's distracting. so i guess a light creme color should be best... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 13:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:37:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199808261542.QAA04450@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, ...How absolutely fascinating.....! In which case this really begs the question of what colours to use in order to attract what type of bird.... (Subject of the week??) After all, what's the point in mixing colours that frightens the poor little creatures away....? Bird-watchers unite! More please! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK thread: > >tape some coloured square of plastic to the bottom of a bird bath and watch > >for changes in bird behaviour. > > > >[...] > > > >He thought very little research has been done on the subject of birds and > >color recognition...attraction or avoidance. to which Sparks replied: > Birds do see in color (otherwise what would be the use of all those peacock > feathers, besides giving all those Nouveau artists something to do?), and some > of them do have strong preferences for one color or another. > > Down Under in the Land of Oz there's a group of birds called "bower-birds" > that don't bother with growing fancy feathers. Instead, the males build arched > shelters ("bowers") in the underbrush, go out and collect scraps of glass, > paper, plastic, pottery, anything they can find in a particular color, and > cover the entire floor of the shelter with them to attract the ladies. One > species is crazy about red, another goes for blue. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 13:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: jewelery Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.93738.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Boatwright, Walter, INTERNET:tcn@net-magic.net TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 8/26/98 8:38 AM RE: Re: jewelery Sender: tcn@net-magic.net Received: from houdini.net-magic.net (mail.net-magic.net [206.30.194.232]= ) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) with ESMTP id IAA26034 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:37:57 -0400 (EDT)= Received: from net-magic.net ([206.30.194.195]) by houdini.net-magic.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-53827U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:24:52 -0400 Message-ID: <35E42B21.173446A1@net-magic.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:34:58 -0700 From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) Organization: The Glass Safari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: jewelery References: <1998Aug25.164836.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike....The name of the book is The Wonder of Wire..working with the WigJig. by Marjorie Helwig.. Helwig Industries PO Box 5306 Arlington, Virginia 22205 1-800-579-Wire or maybe your local retailer will have it... It is a great book... Walter Michael J. Greer wrote: > And speaking of wire-wrapping > jewelry, I know there is a book =3D > > available that deals with wire-work > including little jig set-ups for whipping > up scroll-like embellishments > for jewelry. Anyone know the =3D > > name of the book or the author =3D > > and who might sell it? Thanks! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 13:54:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybersol.com!TWLARRY From: TWLARRY@cybersol.com (Nordhoff, Larry) To: Joan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chem-o-lene??? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.83053.0> References: <<1998Aug25.175217.0>> Organization: Trade Winds Precedence: bulk \I have a freind that tried that. It turned his torch into a flame thrower. He put a regulator on it and it works fine. MPO, if you are serious about glass go for a better torch and oxigen & propane. The hot head is a good way to see if you like it but far to slow for any kind of production work. TWLARRY Joan wrote: > > I have read that Chem-o-lene is a cheaper, cleaner alternative gas for > lampworking. Does anyone know if it can be used as a single fuel > source, i.e. a substitute for MAPP gas, with a Hothead torch, or must it > be combined with oxygen? Any other info on this gas??? > > Thanks!...... Joan...... > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 13:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808261849.LAA19832@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Bird-watchers unite! More please! >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Standing at the sink one day I watched a blue jay hop along our log rail (connects to our log house) checking out each and every stained glass windchime I had hanging (counting to 5). I was amused to no end and thought it was a omen of big sales on these things. Seems the colors were attractive to my feather friend. I had hopes that my windchimes would distract the rather larger whiskey jacks (also birds) that tend to eat Spooky doucks and Oscar's food (my 2 cats, mother and daughter act) when I'm away. But being that they also eat dog food nibbles they truely see past my chimes...could be color blind? Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 15:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New Question: Backround display color choice Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808262143.OAA13800@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Laura, My table covering is black... As I lean towards the colors Black and Red for my booth and 4 display podiums (their cedar boxes built at different sizes) Basically I thought that was a better color to work with and I like it. Althou I do have alot of clear sandblasted glass to display, it also works very well with colored stained glass. Will you have any lighting setup pointing to that area, as is it inside? I also use cedar standup shelves and run track lighting. Lighting seems to be my worst problem. (which items to focus on) I would play around with it. Usually I spend one month setting up my display in the house (and working on glass) because of the theme of different shows. Hope that helps. Cindy Message from Laura; >Hello all: > >It was nice to finally meet a few fellow bungians at Glass Visions! I had a >good time (aside from the humidity) and learned some new things (as well as >getting to take home some great bargains!). Now here is my question: > >First real craft show coming up, and I haven't purchased table coverings yet - >due to my total confusion, or I guess I should say indecision, as to what >color (or lack there of) to use for background : white or black. I seem to >find myself leaning toward white - to be able to display those beautiful >colors - yet, I've seen many glass people who use black. I am now thoroughly >confused. This will be for things on tables - not hanging items. I'm >interested in hearing others' prefrences, and will be waiting in eager >anticipation for some expert opinions and advice! >Thanks to all! > >Laura >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 15:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Question: Backround display color choice Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.135120.0> References: <<1998Aug26.72729.0>> Precedence: bulk Why not try putting some of your pieces on some black and white (and even other colors) construction paper and see how it looks. I tend to go for light colors, myself. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 16:14:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Animals and Color Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug26.82756.0> Precedence: bulk In a recent research on color I came across the following: Cats and dogs are color blind but insects do react to color. For example, mosquitoes avoid orange but approach red, black and blue. Beekeepers wear white to avoid being stung--it has been found if they wear dark colors they will be besieged. Also, we know if you place a sheet of black construction paper, chiggers will swarm on to it. I used to put out mirrored-type hangers to chase the birds away (bluejays and robins) but it never worked. They still came after the figs. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 16:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: jewelery Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.13513.0> References: <<1998Aug26.93738.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, Haven't caught up with all my e-mail yet, but I am feeling much better, the cortizone shots do seem to ease things up a bit for a few months. Re: the below message, You can usually pick up the 'Wig Jig' at bead shops, thats where I got mine. They have several different sizes, and I also use a 18" length of 2 x 4 lumber (it was scrap, but smooth) and pounded in finishing nails where I needed them. Finishing nails have small heads, so easy to get the wire up and over the home made jig. I like the 2 x 4 better actually, as it is more versitle. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > > Hi Mike....The name of the book is The Wonder of Wire..working with the > WigJig. by Marjorie Helwig.. > Helwig Industries > PO Box 5306 > Arlington, Virginia 22205 > 1-800-579-Wire > or maybe your local retailer will have it... > It is a great book... > Walter <<>> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 18:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:11:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: jewelery Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.17811.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lee- I've tried the home-made jig - exactly like your set-up - but, I hate it! I thought maybe the real McCoy would be a little more comfortable and efficient. I don't know, maybe what I'm doing is as good as it gets, but I sure hope not!! Glad you're a little better! ;-) Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 19:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Animals, insects and Color Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808270042.RAA18391@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy, I'd just like to add that insects (not sure if all) do not see the color yellow. Hubby read that recently, and that's why the bug light color is yellow. I've heard dogs are color blind, but one question... I wonder are birds also??? And just what did that blue jay see in my windchimes?? Chuckle. Well, speaking of birds just heard this little squeak from downstairs,... from junior cat... so proud to show me...of her catch. Yeeck! Interesting that you speak of insects and dark color, one of our horses was a palomino in color and the other was chestnut...it's was always the chestnut (darker color) who was badly bitten by deer fly and horse fly (and needed the most attending with bug dope and finger scratching).Grin. Cindy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 21:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bird Baths Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:45:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug26.134522.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I went looking on the net. And found this site. True they are selling stuff, but there is a migeon of info there. http://search.excite.com/search.gw?search=Birds&tsug=-1&csug=10&sorig=rpage >From what I got from this: If you want to attract birds to your bird bath you want moving water. If you notice the bird baths are green and blue. On the other hand, if you want a variety of birds then multiple colors. And of course red for hummingbirds. I will keep looking, Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 26 21:47:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re Animals and colours Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:42:14 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.234214.0> Precedence: bulk I noticed when i was living in the tropical north Queensland rainforest, that mosquitoes where attracted by Blue Jeans more than any other clothing (nothing to do with glass ???) Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 04:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Animals insects & Colors Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <19980827103806.MFD13633@vic> Precedence: bulk I am surely no expert, but it seems to me that if insects and animals are color blind, God spent a lot of time for naught designing camouflage, plumage to attract mates, various color berries (poison opposed to eatable) and most of all, red capes for matadors From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 05:02:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Color; Was: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:47:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.3478.0> Precedence: bulk I can only comment on yellow (gold) finches and hunning birds.=20 The hummingbirds are attracted to anything red. One even landed on my = husbands back while we were fishing because he had a red design on the = back. And if I'm wearing red when I go to hang the feeders, they are = more interested in me than the feeder. Gold finches are attracted to yellow (the same color as themselves). I = had a black feeder filled with thistle seed that they would not come = near. They would only go to the yellow feeder with the same seed in it. = Oddly, the house finches didn't seem to care but I wanted to attract the = gold finches. I spray painted the perches of the feeder yellow and now = they are eating from it equally as well. Birds must be attracted to color or else God wouldn't have made so many = pretty flowers. Notice the almost absence of blue in the flower world. = Birds must not be attracted to blue or God would have made more of it. Linda Campbell, a hobbyist birdwatcher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 05:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Vic LaGreca" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Animals insects & Colors Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 08:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <199808271209.IAA10320@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Vic said, >I am surely no expert, but it seems to me that if insects and animals are >color blind, God spent a lot of time for naught designing camouflage, >plumage to attract mates, various color berries (poison opposed to eatable) >and most of all, red capes for matadors Now, doesn't that make a lot of sense? Thanks, Vic! In medicine, psychiatry and science I think we are still in the "dark ages." Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 07:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Animals, insects and Color Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.55913.0> References: <<199808270042.RAA18391@ns2.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Hi Peggy, > I'd just like to add that insects (not sure if all) do not see the color yellow. > Hubby read that recently, and that's why the bug light color is yellow. > > I've heard dogs are color blind, but one question... > I wonder are birds also??? And just what did that blue jay see in my > windchimes?? Chuckle. > Well, speaking of birds just heard this little squeak from downstairs,... > from junior cat... so proud to show me...of her catch. Yeeck! > Interesting that you speak of insects and dark color, one of our horses was > a palomino in color and the other was chestnut...it's was always the > chestnut (darker color) who was badly bitten by deer fly and horse fly (and > needed the most attending with bug dope and finger scratching).Grin. > Cindy > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't think my cocketiel is, since she likes yellows, and stuff. and alot of bird toys are real colorful, unlike dog toys which are pretty blah. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 09:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Color; Was: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808271559.IAA10270@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, I agree totally with red and hummers. Please be careful, chuckle. As I can see those little guys checking you out, while filling the feeder!! I don't use a feeder cos of my cats...even got 2 bird feeders empty (feel too mean if I supply natural food for Oscar and Spooks) and after last night the little cat bringing me a treat, they don't need help! Will hummers drink from non colored sugar water? I have lots of blue flowers...delphiniums (sp), sometimes I'll just sit and watch who comes to visit...lots of bees, butterflies and hummers. And come to think about it, the hummers even check out the stained glass in my windows, that I truely feel sorry for. Birds seem to just hit the window not bothering to check things out, but I do believe they see colors. Cindy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 10:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re wire jewelry books Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:39:56 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.93956.0> Precedence: bulk a search on "wire jewelry" at www.amazon.com returned a list of 14 books on the subject. Amazon is always a good place to look for books. Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 10:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Animals, insects and Color Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:37:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199808271634.JAA28110@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk Dogs, for sure are colour blind, but everything I've read has indicated that CATS are not. Apparently they have colour receptor cones in their eyes, so DO see colour. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 10:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Birds, bird baths and glass-functionality Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:51:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.25112.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say a big thank you to all who continued this interesting thread. I have decided to keep that hummer and floral accents in the bath section itself. Here are some other points to think about from a personal reply I received. "Why does she want the inside done. If it gets any amount of sun the grout will discolor with algae and the glass itself will constantly need cleaning. It will be overly susceptible to the freeze thaw cycle. It will have to come in at first frost and can't go back out till last frost." A logical question about functionality. I keep my bird bath pretty clean and bring my ceramics or breakables in when we start our winter season here in Washington. The grout on mine has faded a bit, but to me that has added a new dimension to the "look" of the bath. As far as selling points regarding the above factors, any comments. To be honest I didn't take these into consideration. I feel the bath itself is not only functional but pretty too. I believe the concrete baths have to be cleaned as well throughout the season. Does anyone have a comment regarding consumer attitudes on the functionality issue? I really appreciated this reply, sorry I haven't gotten back with you personally R *s*. It was a comment that really got me to thinking in a new perspective regarding consumer attitude's. Thanks! O.k. so any comments on this from all of you? I'm off to the bird bath! Pam -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Proud Member of: The International Guild of Glass Artists Stained Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 11:09:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Animals, insects and Color Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808271600.JAA10551@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, That makes alot of sense. Wonder why it is? The bird's brain is so small compared to the dogs! Darn I should have finished school, must be in a science class or something!! All I remember is taking a frog apart and that did me in!!! Cindy Mike says: >i don't think my cocketiel is, since she likes yellows, and stuff. and >alot of bird toys are real colorful, unlike dog toys which are pretty >blah. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass >Tip Pages >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 11:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "K. See" To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Color; Was: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:47:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.94747.0> References: <<199808271559.IAA10270@ns2.vphos.net>> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Cindy: It is best to feed hummers only clear water formula 4 to 1. Forget the mixes. I use 4 cups boiling water, 1 cup sugar. Change feeders every 3-4 days. If we don't sterilize our feeders (dishwasher ok) they are just picking up bacteria which can kill them. Since I don't know where my 4 nest I don't want to feel that I could hurt them & never know the out come. K. See Cindy Pesonen wrote: > Hi Linda, > I agree totally with red and hummers. > Please be careful, chuckle. As I can see those little guys checking you out, > while filling the feeder!! I don't use a feeder cos of my cats...even got 2 > bird feeders empty (feel too mean if I supply natural food for Oscar and > Spooks) and after last night the little cat bringing me a treat, they don't > need help! > Will hummers drink from non colored sugar water? > > I have lots of blue flowers...delphiniums (sp), sometimes I'll just sit and > watch who comes to visit...lots of bees, butterflies and hummers. > And come to think about it, the hummers even check out the stained glass in > my windows, that I truely feel sorry for. > Birds seem to just hit the window not bothering to check things out, but I > do believe they see colors. > Cindy > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 11:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Bird Bath Construction Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:54:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.35430.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Well Lenore thought I would just give every body the details, hehe. So I'm not ignoring you just way late on replies! The bird bath is made exactly as Christie stated to the group. The problem I ran into at my home store was the lack of bird baths! So I bought 2 very large terra cotta pots and a large terra cotta dish. I also use marine grade adhesive. Invert one pot, so the open end is on the ground. Apply adhesive to the bottom of the pot, which is facing up. Take the other pot, put the closed end on top of the adhesive. (For lack of better words here, they are now end to end) Grab your terra cotta dish the same size or larger than the opening of the top pot. Apply adhesive and place that on the very top of the pot. Apply your grout, glass and whatever else you want to add. The grout should be applied evenly where the individual pieces meet. That will give you a cleaner line. I have done this with concrete planters as well. It's a little more cost effective and just as durable as the higher end bird baths. You can easily add a fountain, just make sure the dish is at least 1 1/2 inches deep. Hope this makes sense. If you want to see one then go to the visual.html below. The picture is terrible, but I'm working on my skills in that area. *s*. The one on this page was one of the first I have done. I now do them with designs and am just getting into ceramics. My first ceramic project will be done in Raku which will then become a table top fountain. So I'm very excited about that. http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/visual.html See ya, Pam *sm* -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Proud Member of: The International Guild of Glass Artists Stained Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 12:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re wire jewelry books Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:49:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199808272101.RAA29555@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > a search on "wire jewelry" at www.amazon.com returned a list of 14 books on > the subject. Amazon is always a good place to look for books. Agreed. And if you start your search from the Guild's home page at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ you'll help the Guild, because a percentage of anything you buy will go to the Guild. Sorry about the shameless plug! Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.igga.org/ Membership http://www.igga.org/benefits.htm Members' work http://igga.org/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 12:43:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Birds, bird baths and glass-functionality Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808271850.LAA32434@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, Does sound like a hassle, but if she wants it that way it will make her happy. Just tell her of the things to be concerned with. Actually if it does discolor and grow algae it won't look that bad. What do they call those Japanese pools with beautiful koi fish...that must have algae. And I don't think the birds would mind as I see them having a bath in mud puddles quite often. And take it from me, once it's built and given, it's not yours anymore:):) So who cares...I'm learning not to. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 13:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Consumers and glass-functionality Date: Thu Aug 27 12:06:58 1998 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.94258.0> Precedence: bulk It has been my experience that in general most consumers know almost nothing about quality and even less about functionality. Their attitude seems to be if it looks good and the price is right buy it. And most manufacturers seem to follow that opinion. I am now getting on my soapbox. Feel free to ignore the rest of this. If any of you were at Glass Visions and tried Weller's new soldering gun you have seen a perfect example of "tell them what they want" marketing. The gun was awkward to hold, at least to my hand. It also irritated the web of my hand. And experience tells me that the slightly textured pistol grip would become increasingly awkward to work with as a soldering session wore on. When I mentioned this to the "demonstrator" he gave me a "what are you talking about" look. Most people don't know how to judge glass work, or most other kinds, and have no interest in learning. A long time ago I made some long stem stained glass roses (sun catchers). There was no nice way to keep the stem and bud attached. The number of people who insist on having one, even after an explanation of why and how it will fall apart, is frightening. The cardinal rule for everything I sell is that I am proud of the work and I have confidence in it's quality. Where appropriate, care instructions are provided and they have sometimes cost a sale. It is interesting to note that my longtime customers have taken the time to learn about what they are buying. Several of them have even learned to do it themselves. -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan [mailto:ptap@pacifier.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 12:51 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Birds, bird baths and glass-functionality Just wanted to say a big thank you to all who continued this interesting thread. I have decided to keep that hummer and floral accents in the bath section itself. Here are some other points to think about from a personal reply I received. "Why does she want the inside done. If it gets any amount of sun the grout will discolor with algae and the glass itself will constantly need cleaning. It will be overly susceptible to the freeze thaw cycle. It will have to come in at first frost and can't go back out till last frost." A logical question about functionality. I keep my bird bath pretty clean and bring my ceramics or breakables in when we start our winter season here in Washington. The grout on mine has faded a bit, but to me that has added a new dimension to the "look" of the bath. As far as selling points regarding the above factors, any comments. To be honest I didn't take these into consideration. I feel the bath itself is not only functional but pretty too. I believe the concrete baths have to be cleaned as well throughout the season. Does anyone have a comment regarding consumer attitudes on the functionality issue? I really appreciated this reply, sorry I haven't gotten back with you personally R *s*. It was a comment that really got me to thinking in a new perspective regarding consumer attitude's. Thanks! O.k. so any comments on this from all of you? I'm off to the bird bath! Pam -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan President http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Proud Member of: The International Guild of Glass Artists Stained Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 13:12:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" Subject: Re: Animals and Color Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.9926.0> References: <<1998Aug26.82756.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Aug26.82756.0@?>, "Peggy W. Johnsen" writes >In a recent research on color I came across the following: > >Cats and dogs are color blind but insects do react to color. For example, >mosquitoes avoid orange but approach red, black and blue. Beekeepers wear >white to avoid being stung--it has been found if they wear dark colors >they will be besieged. > Peggy, although a number of beings react to colour, not all react to our colour range. For example, bees see in ultraviolet, so they see different colours than we do. This may be true of other animals and insects. STeve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 14:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Wire Bending Jigs Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug27.63356.0> References: <<1998Aug26.82756.0>> Precedence: bulk Someone mentioned the wire bending jigs...I made my own. I have a 12" round disc with different recessed screw holes. I have different sized wooden discs that can be screwed into the basic round disc to form multip shapes and forms. I use the jig for making such things a angel halos, decorative trip, scrolls to use in wrapped suncatchers, etc. The wooden discs I use range from 1/4" to 4" in diameter. As I need a new size, I make one and add it to my collection. It really comes in handy when I want to bend wire. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 15:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: o/t Animals, insects and Color Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:36:36 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug27.213636.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-27 13:11:21 EDT, you write: << Dogs, for sure are colour blind, but everything I've read has indicated that CATS are not. Apparently they have colour receptor cones in their eyes, so DO see colour. Shiela >> Hi, I saw a show the other day that said dogs see certain shades of blue and green. Don't really know myself. I'm a cat person. Dianne >^..^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 15:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.84247.0> Precedence: bulk Ok, I know someone's mentioned celtic knots before. I wanted to maybe make a garden stone for a friend's birthday. Both of these things are things I'm not too familiar with, but my first choice would be a gargoyle pattern. Has anyone seen any? Can anyone direct me to any sites that might have gargoyles. What about celtic knot sites? I know someone posted about them before I didn't save the address. I'm really rushing, as I'll need it in a few days, so I may have to come up with something else. Thanks, Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 16:04:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Animals insects & Colors Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.3032.0> Precedence: bulk Seems like this colour discussion is still going on, so I'm finally going to put my two cents (which of course is only worth about 1 cent U.S.A.). the colors on the bird bath aren't an important factor as far as scaring birds away though if one places a bird image in the bath, that could cause some territorial behaviour. Birds can see color, as some have mentioned, and use it in mating, feeding, and territory. So if you want to attract a certain kind of bird I don't recommend using the image or colours that even resemble that bird or its predators. Insects aren't coloured for each other but to protect them from predators either to blend in to their surroundings, frighten, or warn. Insects are attracted to flowers more by shape and scent. As far as matador capes go, they were originally white, but the washer woman got tired of trying to get the blood stains from the gored matador out, so she just dyed the entire cape red, and it caught on. And God does nothing for naught, though we do tend to blame a lot of things on Him. Glenn Spicer, B.Sc. in biology hat on The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada P.S. it helps the birds to see the water if there is something to disturb the surface or on it. P.P.S. Carol said of her friend the park naturalist "He thought very little research has been done on the subject of birds and color recognition...attraction or avoidance." There has been a fair amount of research on bird colour recognition, especially wrt mating, territory, and feeding. Many naturalists are more concerned with identification than research papers. -----Original Message----- From: Vic LaGreca [SMTP:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 3:42 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Animals insects & Colors I am surely no expert, but it seems to me that if insects and animals are color blind, God spent a lot of time for naught designing camouflage, plumage to attract mates, various color berries (poison opposed to eatable) and most of all, red capes for matadors ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 16:50:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:12:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.151243.0> References: <<1998Aug27.84247.0>> Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > Ok, I know someone's mentioned celtic knots before. I wanted to maybe > make a garden stone for a friend's birthday. Both of these things are > things I'm not too familiar with, but my first choice would be a gargoyle > pattern. Has anyone seen any? Can anyone direct me to any sites that > might have gargoyles. What about celtic knot sites? I know someone > posted about them before I didn't save the address. I'm really rushing, > as I'll need it in a few days, so I may have to come up with something > else. > > Thanks, > Jerri > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass actually i do, and it will soon be a new addtion on my links page: celtic knots: http://bc1.com/users/alastair/Celtic.htm http://wwar.world-arts-resources.com/data/glass3.html http://www.advinc.com/~tmd/sewing.html#knots i hav'nt checked recently if they still work. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 19:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: On the lighter side :) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug27.171835.0> Precedence: bulk This afternoon, my 4 yr. old was coloring one of those "color by number" pictures where the picture's broken up into about 100 pieces, each with a number in the middle, and you use a color chart: 1=red, 2=blue, 3=green....... Well, this was the first time she'd done one of these things, and she really got the hang of reading the chart, coloring all the ones, then all the twos....... When she was finished, I complimented her on her "picture", and she said, "Oh, no mommy, it's not a picture. It's a glass pattern. Now let's go make it." Do you think maybe she's been a little overexposed to glass? Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 19:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Color; Was: Birds, bird baths and glass Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:54:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.15426.0> Precedence: bulk Well I have an african gray parot, that will pulls the red pen out of my pocket first, she'll have a jolly time with it. Of course my silver hemostats amuse her too, but the red pen is her choice. Hey its a great color, whether in a window detail, a flower or those red high heels that are gathering dust.......sigh. I love red glass, it just is a wonder to me.....but then so were the red high heels once. Take care. Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 20:29:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:49:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.24943.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-27 19:53:13 EDT, you write: << actually i do, and it will soon be a new addtion on my links page: celtic knots: http://bc1.com/users/alastair/Celtic.htm http://wwar.world-arts-resources.com/data/glass3.html http://www.advinc.com/~tmd/sewing.html#knots >> Hi, Could someone send the direct URLs for the SG knot work? I've been to each of the above pages and found mega tons of links but none that say "Stained glass knob work". While I love to look at glass and craft pages, I just don't have the time at this time to go through them all. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 20:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!kdeck From: kdeck@juno.com (k a s) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:27:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.22751.0> References: <<1998Aug27.84247.0>> Precedence: bulk Jerri, Ran across a neat book at the library devoted to celtic knots cross stitch patterns that would be easy to adapt to s.g.. Of course, can't remember the title but can only tell you it was listed under cross stitching. Karen >Ok, I know someone's mentioned celtic knots before. I wanted to maybe >make a garden stone for a friend's birthday. Both of these things are >things I'm not too familiar with, but my first choice would be a >gargoyle pattern. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 20:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: celtic knots Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:21:24 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.232124.0> Precedence: bulk I have a book called "The celtic art source book" by Courtney Davis isbn 0-7137-2144-8 this book should be available from amazon.com too Harlequin www.surf.to/harlquin discussion board at http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 27 22:28:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Animals, Insects & Colors Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:06:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.567.0> Precedence: bulk "If you were to watch insects visiting flowers, you would quickly discover that the visits are not random. Instead, insects are attracted by particular flowers. Insects recognize a particular color pattern and odor and search for flowers that look similar. Insects and plants have co-evolved so that certain insects specialize in visiting particular kinds of flowers. As a result, a particular insect carries pollen from one individual to another of the same species, which is the key to successful pollination... Of all insect polinators, the most numerous are bees. Bees evolved soon after flowering plants, some 100 million years ago. Today there are over 200,000 species. Bees locate sources of nectar largely by odor at first ( that is why flowers smell sweet) and then focus in on the flower's color and shape. Bee- polinated flowers are usually yellow or blue, and frequently they have guiding stripes or lines of dots to indicate the position in the flower of the nectar (usually in the throat of the flower.) ... Butterflies tend to visit flowers like philox that have "landing platforms" on which they can perch. ..Moths , which visit flowers a tnight, are attracted to white or very pale-colored flowers, often heavily scented, that are easy to locate in dim light... Red flowers, interestingly, are not typically visited by insects, most of which cannot "see" red as a distinct color. Who polinates these flowers? Hummingbirds and sunbirds. To these birds, red is a very conspicuous color, just as it is to us. Birds do not have a well developed sense of smell, and do not orient to odor, which is why red flowers often do not smell strongly..." pg 281, The Living World by George B. Johnson, 1997, Wm. C Brown publishers. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 05:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:10:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.121050.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/27/98 11:50:26 PM, jroey@juno.com wrote: >Can anyone direct me to any sites that >might have gargoyles. What about celtic knot sites? Haven't gone looking for gargoyles, but a good place to start surfing for Celtic knots is "Every Celtic Thing on the Web": http://www.celt.net/og/index.html I also have a 2-color round Celtic knot pattern if you're interested. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 06:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Animals, insects and Color Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:10:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.121054.0> Precedence: bulk >Cindy Pesonen wrote: >> >> Hi Peggy, >> I'd just like to add that insects (not sure if all) do not see the color yellow. >> Hubby read that recently, and that's why the bug light color is yellow. I remember seeing side-by-side photos of several flowers, one as human eyes would see it, and the other taken under UV light as if through an insect's eyes and color-shifted so we could see it. Many flowers that look pale and unremarkable to us (or seem like the "wrong" color for insects who supposedly "can't see that color") show brilliant "colors" in the near-UV. A bee might not see the bright yellow in a black-eyed susan, but she does see a blaze of UV in it. >Dogs, for sure are colour blind, but everything I've read has >indicated that CATS are not. Apparently they have colour receptor >cones in their eyes, so DO see colour. > >Shiela Cat vision is also odd in that they have "motion detector" receptors as well. The better to see that mouse or bird trying to sneak away! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 06:22:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: On the lighter side :) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:10:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.121052.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/28/98 3:28:28 AM, jroey@juno.com wrote: >"Oh, no mommy, it's not >a picture. It's a glass pattern. Now let's go make it." > > Do you think maybe she's been a little overexposed to glass? Overexposed? Naah. No way! And I hope you *will* consider making it if it's feasible. Nothing like having a kid who shares your passion for an art! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 06:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gargoyle or celtic patterns Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:10:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug28.131044.0> Precedence: bulk Stained Glass News had a pattern of a Celtic Knot in one of last years editions. It is a fairly easy pattern to do. It is like a "+" or an "x" in shape and can be lengthened to make it a cross. I have the pattern and will be happy to scan and send if anyone is interested. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 08:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: test Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.65821.0> Precedence: bulk sorry for the post but i'm trying to see if I'm getting mail today Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 09:19:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberus.ca!lick From: Carolyn Lick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Animals, insects and Color Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980828112352.00921100@cyberus.ca> References: <<199808271634.JAA28110@mail1.bctel.ca>> Precedence: bulk Out of lurk-mode to join in on the discussion. Since I am a bunny lover, here is what I can add from one of our bunny discussions: In general, vertebrates have two different types of photoreceptor cells in their retinas: rods and cones. Cones confer high resolution, and, if more than one cone type is present, they also confer the ability to perceive various wavelengths of light as distinct colors. For example, we humans have three different categories of cone--their maximum sensitivities in the red, blue and green regions of the spectrum. The differing sensitivities of each cone type enable us to perceive different (visible) wavelengths of light as the colors of the rainbow. Behavioral studies published in the early 1970's indicate that rabbits do have a limited ability to discriminate between some wavelengths of light, perceiving them as different colors. Evidently, they can discriminate between the wavelengths we call "green" and "blue." Although rabbits may not perceive green and blue the way we do, they *can* tell them apart. This means they have limited color vision, probably conferred by two different categories of cone cells (blue and green). ---- Part of an article written by Dana Krempels who earned her Ph.D. in visual ecophysiology in 1989 and is Lecturer and Director of Undergraduate Studies in the University of Miami Biology Department. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 09:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:35:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: insects and glass presentations Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808281534.IAA10932@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Sheila and all, Okay here goes Cindy's dumb question. grin. Remember the movie the FLY...scared me for months:) All bugs see like that or did they just put it in a movie??? Chuckle. Other question...more serious, When showing a customer your glass presentation do any of you show the design with color? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 10:26:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: del2.vsnl.net.in!avparora From: AVP Arora To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass eduction Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:22:39 +0530 Message-ID: <35E6E057.48C6@del2.vsnl.net.in> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm a post-graduate student from India. Ive recently become very involved in glass painting and would like to take my career in that direction. Would any of you be able to advice me as to which colleges in your states and counties offer academic instructions in glass. I'll really appreciate your responses. Thanks in advance. Deepshikha ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 10:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Saturday Sept 5 in Tampa Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.8499.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just decided to run up to Tampa for a class at Art Glass America- this is in conjunction to the Tampa Home Show (Open to the public- all of it) over the labor day weekend. I'm just going up Sat 5th, and not staying over. Tampa is about 1 hour north of me (Lead foot Lee) from Sarasota. I've forgotten who all else said they are going. Maybe we can all meet there somewhere (Suggest the HotGlass Area) and wear bungi wrist bands. I'm in the "Discover Beadmaking" w/Jeff Eckes 11 am to 1 pm short class. Then, get to see the aprox. 30-35 glass companies booths in the trade show. Talked to a lady by the name of Geneva yesterday. Class Crafters will be there with an exhibit also, I think she said. Anyone else planing on going??? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 11:14:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glass presentations Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808281703.KAA00651@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I have gotten that impression myself from customers...difficulities in the visual. Thanks. Usually I do not color, having only a black and white laser printer and my crayons get lost from kids coming to the house...actually felts too. I try to show them from my color samples of glass and my "photo" book. And when I'm working on a deal:) sometimes I send them home with samples of glass...to live with for a short while as I tell them "stained glass is an investment" and want them to feel comfortable with their chooses. Another thing I do (which could be a big no, no!) Is that I won't take their 50% deposit until I've pleased them with my art work and have worked out all the wrinkles. I do make a point of telling them that special feature:) Any comments:) Cindy >From Sheila: >I almost always do a "quick" colour using crayons or pencil crayons. >Most of my customers to date seem to be able to visualize the >finished piece better that way. > >Shiela > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 11:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: AVP Arora Subject: Re: Glass eduction Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:09:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199808282022.QAA29782@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > direction. Would any of you be able to advice me as to which colleges in > your states and counties offer academic instructions in glass. Sorry, Deepshikha. There's no school in the U.S. that offers academic approaches or degree programs in glass painting. Such schools *do exist in Wales, Germany and Switzerland, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 11:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: i2020.net!wickline From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: On the lighter side :) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.10028.0> References: <<1998Aug27.171835.0>> Organization: Personal Precedence: bulk Maybe she has been a "little" overexposed but the big question is-- Are you going to make it for her?? My kids are a little older than 4 (all grown up) but they still find pretty pictures to make in glass for them. Well at least they appreciate my work. Everytime they come home I have to count my suncatcher and coasters. They like to liberate them so I'll have more room to make more. Becky jerri m Roey wrote: > This afternoon, my 4 yr. old was coloring one of those "color by > number" pictures where the picture's broken up into about 100 pieces, > each with a number in the middle, and you use a color chart: 1=red, > 2=blue, 3=green....... Well, this was the first time she'd done one of > these things, and she really got the hang of reading the chart, coloring > all the ones, then all the twos....... When she was finished, I > complimented her on her "picture", and she said, "Oh, no mommy, it's not > a picture. It's a glass pattern. Now let's go make it." > > Do you think maybe she's been a little overexposed to glass? > > Jerri > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 12:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "Lynn Alchin" To: "Fellow Artists" Subject: Fair treatment Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:56:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.35648.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All! I have a question. I do all my work for clients out of my house, either by word of mouth, or from the sign I have in the front window. Anyway, when I go to do a consultation, I take my pattern books, and my portfolio, and just ask them questions concerning the kinds of colors they are thinking about. I pick the colors/texture that I want to use , and I don't ask them if they prefer another texture over another. Is this the correct way to go about this? Also, I don't charge a fee to go out & give an estimate, or to look at patterns, but I do ask for a 75.00 deposit to start the design, which is not refundable if they change they're minds about getting the window. I do, of course make sure that they approve of the design, and will do all the changes etc..., for that 75.00. I then ask for 1/2 the total of the estimate down before I start getting the materials, & then the rest upon installation. Again, what do you guys think of this? Am I going about all of this properly? Thanks! Enjoy all of you immensely!! Lynn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 13:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass eduction Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:11:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199808282124.RAA02639@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > But are there other schools in the US that offer degree/classes in Stained > Glass/Hotglass? preferably on the east coast. Hot glass, yes. Stained glass, nope. For hot glass, see http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide27.htm the "Schools" section of the online Sources Guide. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 14:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: re: celtic knots Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:50:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199808282055.VAA12889@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, It's true that the book is excellent for Celtic knots, but unfortunatel;y, it doesn't contain any gargoyles. Suggest you browse through ecclesistical architectural books to obtain those. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Gerard wrote: > I have a book called "The celtic art source book" by Courtney Davis > isbn 0-7137-2144-8 > this book should be available from amazon.com too > Harlequin > www.surf.to/harlquin > discussion board at > http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb131394 ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 16:59:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:01:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.15112.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert- What glass school is in Wales? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 17:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Celtic knot Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:59:01, -0500 Message-ID: <199808282259.SAA17950@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk AT http://www.aion.demon.co.uk/ug/library/celtic1.htm there is a nice Celtic knot that is downloadable as a zip file. It is suitable for a stepping stone. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 Interested in talking glass? Subscribe to glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 19:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Toby Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: re: celtic knots Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug28.175040.0> References: <<199808282055.VAA12889@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Toby wrote: > Hi all, > > It's true that the book is excellent for Celtic knots, but > unfortunatel;y, it doesn't contain any gargoyles. > Suggest you browse through ecclesistical architectural books to > obtain those. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Design Toscano is a US based company which reproduces all manner of gargoyles. Their catalgue is delightful to browse and would certainly offer inspiration for someone who was good at drawing complicated patterns. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 20:18:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: Lynn Alchin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------862353B5102806FBBE9FBBFA" Subject: Re: Fair treatment Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug28.94317.0> References: <<1998Aug28.35648.0>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------862353B5102806FBBE9FBBFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn, This is pretty much the same way I handle custom work and it works for me. If you give the customer to many choices you will confuse them and perhaps not get the job. Molly Lynn Alchin wrote: > Hi All! > I have a question. > I do all my work for clients out of my house, either by word of mouth, > or from the sign I have in the front window. Anyway, when I go to do a > consultation, I take my pattern books, and my portfolio, and just ask > them questions concerning the kinds of colors they are thinking about. I > pick the colors/texture that I want to use , and I don't ask them if > they prefer another texture over another. Is this the correct way to go > about this? > Also, I don't charge a fee to go out & give an estimate, or to look at > patterns, but I do ask for a 75.00 deposit to start the design, which > is not refundable if they change they're minds about getting the window. > I do, of course make sure that they approve of the design, and will do > all the changes etc..., for that 75.00. I then ask for 1/2 the total of > the estimate down before I start getting the materials, & then the rest > upon installation. > Again, what do you guys think of this? Am I going about all of this > properly? > > Thanks! > Enjoy all of you immensely!! > Lynn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------862353B5102806FBBE9FBBFA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Molly Keys Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Molly Keys n: Keys;Molly org: Molly's Stained glass email;internet: MollysGlass@sprintmail.com title: Owner x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------862353B5102806FBBE9FBBFA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 21:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Lynn Alchin" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Fair treatment Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 23:33:12 -0400 Message-ID: <199808290336.XAA16413@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk . Anyway, when I go to do a >consultation, I take my pattern books, and my portfolio, and just ask >them questions concerning the kinds of colors they are thinking about. I >pick the colors/texture that I want to use , and I don't ask them if >they prefer another texture over another. Is this the correct way to go >about this? >Also, I don't charge a fee to go out & give an estimate, or to look at >patterns, but I do ask for a 75.00 deposit to start the design, which >is not refundable if they change they're minds about getting the window. >I do, of course make sure that they approve of the design, and will do >all the changes etc..., for that 75.00. I then ask for 1/2 the total of >the estimate down before I start getting the materials, & then the rest >upon installation. >Again, what do you guys think of this? Am I going about all of this >properly? Hi Lynn, What you are doing sounds fair to me. It depend on who I'm doing it for and how they feel. Usually I go out the first time, portfolio in hand and ask if anything they see strikes their fancy. I ask them what colors they had envisioned, and whether they want to be able to see through it or not. Once I have a firm idea of what they want - for instance, last year I was hired to do a kitchen cabinet door, they wanted "apples" and they wanted to match their kitchen wallpaper colors. I went home, drew up a full-size design of apples, and went back to them with the design and several pieces of glass and asked them to choose the one they liked. I don't usually get into all the details, such as the color of green for the leaves, but then pick that to match their choice of apple color. You can pretty much tell how much they want to leave up to you, or whether they want to control every facet of the job. The best is when they say, "be creative and do what you want." Some do, some don't. At this point I give them a price for the work, and ask for 50% up front to cover materials, etc., and let them know I expect the balance on completion. Sounds as if you and I work pretty much the same. Suzanne P.S. Cindy, sometimes I do color in the design, other times just show them the glass. People that I really like, and feel comfortable with, I will let come into my home and pick their own glass. I will give suggestions but ultimately then go with their choices, as they will be the ones to look at it for the rest of their lives (hopefully!). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 28 23:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1063485801-2881 Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug28.16320.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1063485801-2881 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit unsubscribe --WebTV-Mail-1063485801-2881 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-1063485801-2881-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 00:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.91051.0> References: <<1998Aug28.15112.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Aug28.15112.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" writes >Hi Albert- > >What glass school is in Wales? > Hello Dani, Just to add to Albert's comment on places which do degrees in glass. Swansea Art College/School, associated with Swansea University. A number of respected glass artists have been educated there. There are others of course in the UK, namely: St.Martins Art School, London; Wolverhampton University (mostly hot glass) near Birmingham; Sunderland University (again mostly hot glass) in Sunderland, north east england Edinburgh College of Art, associated with Herriot Watt University, Edinburgh, Scotland. Possibly someone will point out others that I don't know. Also a number of further education colleges are running sub-degree courses in various aspects of stained glass with the emphasis on practical skills. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 03:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:54:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.11541.0> Precedence: bulk Some other contacts for courses I have are London Chelsea College of Art & Design Phone: 0181 749 3236 City Literary Institute Phone: 0171 242 9872 Wales Swansea Institute Phone: 01792 481000 Bristol Filton College Phone: 01179 312121 Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 03:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:44:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.114421.0> Precedence: bulk At 19:01 28/08/98 -0400, Dani wrote: >What glass school is in Wales? Swansea College run a HND in Architectural glass that includes glass painting. Details of other nationally available courses are most readily found if you contact the Secretary of the British Society of Master Glass Painters at who is usually very helpful. Regards Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 03:56:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: LuvArtGlas@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Real Test Question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 06:15:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug29.10157.0> Precedence: bulk Thank-you everyone for ferret pattern info... Now for the real test question.. Can anyone tell me if at any point in the History (of Stained Glass) the photographic process was used in combination with stained glass??? I am currently taking an Art course The History of Graphic Design & Photography.. Our final project: " Book as Art, Create a book on any subject. Must be unique in materials and printing process. No computer printing or composition. The books will be exhibited at the student art show at the end of the semester." I want to create this project in stained glass. I feel in order to do this I must somehow tie stained glass to the graphic arts and or Photography. Any suggestions.. My teacher is not willing to let me fire glass paints in her kiln... So, how perminate are low fire deka paints after they have been fired in a tradition household oven? Thankyou again in advance, Suzan LuvArtGlas@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 09:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass education Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.174150.0> Precedence: bulk There seems to be a lot of interest recently on all the message boards from people looking to find certificated courses in stained glass, which appear to be few and far between. But it has got me wondering whether the "qualifications" that are awarded by the various colleges etc are actually worth getting. We have had several stained glass artists buy from our shop who have completed stained glass courses and have their Higher National Diploma, City and Guilds Diploma, or NVQ of various levels who don't seem to know much about the craft. Although they may be knowledgeable about the history and development of stained glass, or know all about using light and colour to "paint with light", they dont seem to have been taught how to design and construct a traditional leaded window which can survive in all weathers without cracking or bowing. One current customer (graduate from the 3 year Swansea course) came in recently to buy materials for a commission she had obtained on the strength of her end-of-course exhibition and was not even aware that there are more than two profiles of lead came. She is intending to make a large (3 foot by 5 foot) commemorative window using only 1/4 (6 mm) lead with 5/16 (8 mm) U lead edging and absolutely no thought about the need of structural re-inforcement. What are they (not) teaching on these courses? And a new customer has just moved into the area from London who has completed a full year (3 days a week) City and Guilds Stained Glass Diploma with Distinction without having been shown how to install a window, or told that there are many different widths of lead that can be used in a leaded panel - he had only ever seen 1/4 (6 mm) round and 1/2 (12 mm) flat lead came and thought that only those two profiles were in general use. So enrolling on a certificated stained glass course is not always a guarantee of being taught the professionals way of making windows. Often seeking out someone who has been making windows commercially and asking them to teach you may be a better way to get started if you want to end up making your career in stained glass. And the companies we know in the UK who take on employees are usually more keen to see what quality of work you are capable of, and if you work in the traditional manner and can fit in with their regime, rather than take a certificate from a college as a recommendation. So any of you out there who are trying to get "qualifications" to help get a job in a stained glass studio need not despair if you cannot find a recognised course - anyone interested in hiring a stained glass worker will not be put off by a lack of paper qualifications if you can show an aptitude for the craft and evidence of your skills. And of course in the meantime you can always ask your pals on bungi for advice ;-) Have a happy weekend Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 11:13:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Bird Bath Construction Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808291618.JAA28939@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Pam, >Just visited your site and it was a great visit, very nice stuff. >Bird baths are so cute...I could see some in my yard one day. >Did you paint them? As they don't look terra cotta any more. >And do you have to glue the bath part to the base? >Just wondering cos if it was heavy enough to stay there, it would be easier to bring in and store for the winter. >Do you cement the glass pieces and then grout? >Sorry for all the questions. >I've never done a stone even. >Cindy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 11:42:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Booth display Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808291801.LAA11466@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk For any one interested here's some info I've gathered: 1) Average customer spends appox. 30 seconds looking at your booth 2) Make the most of your creativity and design, it's important that you create the selling enviroment. 3) Bring a clipboard, learn to do most of your sales standing up. Try to go without any chairs... 4) Remember your booth is an extentsion of your craft...feel free to display your work in whatever way makes your pieces shine. 5) Props that add the finishing touch, to make your booth more interesting, display photographs showing the process and techniques. Properly placed prop can really add polish. 6) Build your display at home...don't wait until the show to see if it works 7) Prepare a checklist and check it twice Try to create a consistent image, including booth layout, signage, brochere's, and business cards. Expect to be formally dressed, your clothing should set you apart from your customers, even if it's only a pin with your logo on it. Speak clearly and slowly, show floors are noisy. Stay alert, at the edge of the aisle, giving the attendees an impression of your willingness to help. Do remain profeesional and businesslike. Exhibits are not for the shy, but then at the same time the huckster's appproach will not work. Never eat or drink at the booth. Never read a book or sit staring into a corner, hoping no one will talk to you. Never carry on prolonged conversation with staff when you are on duty. Do have fun!!!! Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 11:43:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help!!!!! Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.8127.0> Precedence: bulk I inadvertently deleted the folder with the unposted bios in it. I am in desperate need of anyone who hasn't sent in a bio to do so. Quick, send me your bio. I am expecting to suffer slings and arrows from an unknown source (me thinks a crazed Swede with a grumpy canine companion) for this error. She's probably sitting in her hammock right now sharpening the arrowheads and contemplating the trajectory, wind speed and direction, to Texas from the UK. Where is a decent hurricane when I need one? Please hurry. Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS email them to me pkelly@n-link.com PPS Pssssst if anyone sees Elisabeth don't tell her about this request maybe she'll miss it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 13:14:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.115622.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve- Yes, we have many colleges, too, that might include some stained glass in their curricula. One of our = community colleges has an Artisans program that includes stained glass in its offereings. Not very comprehensive, though, and certainly no formal = disciplines that require drawing, art history, etc. And definitely not a = degree program. What does Pilchuck offer? I don't think they're accredited, but I may be wrong. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 13:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: pkelly@n-link.com Subject: Re: Help!!!!! Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.115613.0> References: <<1998Aug29.8127.0>> Precedence: bulk Thank you Patrick, but you didn't have to do that just to make me feel better. After listening to my husband, for months, try to talk me into switching my e-mail from Juno to mindsppring, so that I'd be able to receive attachments and all the other bells and whistles, I finally gave in, but only on the condition that I'd keep Juno until I was comfortable with the new mail program. I left the important stuff (like Bungi) on Juno. Well, guess what? Yesterday I deleted my entire "In Box". Whenever Hubby thinks something is so simple that even I can't mess it up, I just have to prove him wrong. Not something I try to do, just seems to be a natural biorythm of being married a while or something. I did remove the sledge hammer from the computer before he got home, and he did put me in a new "In box", but of course, everything I had in there is gone forever. I think, even Elisabeth, has had her share of computer problems! Jerri On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:12:07 -0500 "Pat Kelly" writes: >I inadvertently deleted the folder with the unposted bios in it. I am >in >desperate need of anyone who hasn't sent in a bio to do so. Quick, >send me >your bio. > >I am expecting to suffer slings and arrows from an unknown source (me >thinks >a crazed Swede with a grumpy canine companion) for this error. She's >probably sitting in her hammock right now sharpening the arrowheads >and >contemplating the trajectory, wind speed and direction, to Texas from >the >UK. Where is a decent hurricane when I need one? > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 14:14:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Bird Bath Construction & Help!! Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.6219.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Cindy said: Hi Pam, Just visited your site and it was a great visit, very nice stuff. Bird baths are so cute...I could see some in my yard one day. Did you paint them? As they don't look terra cotta any more. And do you have to glue the bath part to the base? Just wondering cos if it was heavy enough to stay there, it would be easier to bring in and store for the winter. Do you cement the glass pieces and then grout? Sorry for all the questions. I've never done a stone even. Cindy The procedure regarding the bird bath is to put the planters together, butt to butt, with adhesive in between the two to hold them together. The bath (or dish) is also coated with adhesive to adhere it to the top planter. Let the adhesive dry for at least 24 hours. The next step would be to decide your color of grout. Then apply the grout to the whole project, let dry for 24 hours. Then apply your glass to the bath part or wherever you choose using adhesive. Then regrout the whole project again. Make sure when you apply your second grout application that it is even. I water seal everything but the bath itself. Some other idea's: Paint a design on the bath using acrylic paint. You could do an ivy design or "antique" finish as well. The bath is light, light enough to pick up easily and move indoors come winter. I have had clients use them for plant stands or indoor tables too. Oh Patrick! Someone please bail him out! I need an excuse to eat my buttered popcorn and drink wine! Humm, maybe I will try out my new Inland arrowhead grinder tonight. See ya, Pam -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 16:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199808292242.XAA02712@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk What do you mean, E V E N Elisabeth?! I am the greatest computer "nerd" alive!! P.S. Is the sledge hammer OK??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Jerri wrote : > I think, even Elisabeth, has had her share of computer problems! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 17:03:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199808292242.XAA02715@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, What do you expect!! TOOOooo much of the Irish double-malt , says I!! Toby does not deign to comment.... HE doesn't MISS ANYTHING!!!! Really, one simply can't get the staff these days!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Some weird Irishman wrote: > I inadvertently deleted the folder with the unposted bios in it. I am in > desperate need of anyone who hasn't sent in a bio to do so. Quick, send me > your bio. > > I am expecting to suffer slings and arrows from an unknown source (me thinks > a crazed Swede with a grumpy canine companion) for this error. She's > probably sitting in her hammock right now sharpening the arrowheads and > contemplating the trajectory, wind speed and direction, to Texas from the > UK. Where is a decent hurricane when I need one? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 17:27:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199808292310.AAA02998@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, What do you expect!! TOOOooo much of the Irish double-malt , says I!! Toby does not deign to comment.... HE doesn't MISS ANYTHING!!!! Really, one simply can't get the staff these days!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Some weird Irishman wrote: > I inadvertently deleted the folder with the unposted bios in it. I am in > desperate need of anyone who hasn't sent in a bio to do so. Quick, send me > your bio. > > I am expecting to suffer slings and arrows from an unknown source (me thinks > a crazed Swede with a grumpy canine companion) for this error. She's > probably sitting in her hammock right now sharpening the arrowheads and > contemplating the trajectory, wind speed and direction, to Texas from the > UK. Where is a decent hurricane when I need one? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 17:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass education Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199808292310.AAA03001@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk THREE CHEERS for EliZabeth in Bournemouth!!!! You have got greater courage than I have!! The Swansea course is basically 2 years, with an extra "Foundation Year" for those who believe that van Gogh is a "pop group". NVQ is a new-fangled qualification which nobody believes in (especially Industry). You can manage a "Pass" in Level 1 if you can demonstrate that you can read and write; (I myself went through an NVQ course in IT and computer studies to Level 3. This was 2 years ago and I still have not collected my guilt-edged Certificate...); City & Guild....hmmm... a bit out of touch. I have been to several "Finalists' Exhibitions" at Swansea and various Colleges in/around London/Midlands/Sout-East. Hence, I could not agree with you more!! You have these so called graduates who roll along, wanting to "keep their hand in" -- or to pick your brain. They "know it all", but as you say, they have not the faintest idea of lead, and when you present them with 90 degree angle leads, that totally blows their minds... I mentioned that I have sent students to these Degree Courses. That's true, What I didn't mention was that I have also received students who have "dropped out" from these courses, totally disillusioned, since they didn't learn what THEY wanted to learn, namely down to earth leaded stained glass. I am seriously working on creating a special feature on my WEB-page of the work of my students. It hasn't happened yet, bu I am slowly getting the negatives and photos together. Some of their work I am really very proud of. Remind me to tell you the story of Leannda, some time I am taking her through her second year this coming September. I have great hopes for her. But enough for now! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK EliZabethg in Bournemouth wrote: > But it has got me wondering whether the "qualifications" that are awarded by > the various colleges etc are actually worth getting. > We have had several stained glass artists buy from our shop who have > completed stained glass courses and have their Higher National Diploma, City > and Guilds Diploma, or NVQ of various levels who don't seem to know much > about the craft. > Although they may be knowledgeable about the history and development of > stained glass, or know all about using light and colour to "paint with > light", they dont seem to have been taught how to design and construct a > traditional leaded window which can survive in all weathers without cracking > or bowing. > One current customer (graduate from the 3 year Swansea course) came in > recently to buy materials for a commission she had obtained on the strength > of her end-of-course exhibition and was not even aware that there are more > than two profiles of lead came. She is intending to make a large (3 foot by > 5 foot) commemorative window using only 1/4 (6 mm) lead with 5/16 (8 mm) U > lead edging and absolutely no thought about the need of structural > re-inforcement. > What are they (not) teaching on these courses? > And a new customer has just moved into the area from London who has > completed a full year (3 days a week) City and Guilds Stained Glass Diploma > with Distinction without having been shown how to install a window, or told > that there are many different widths of lead that can be used in a leaded > panel - ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 19:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:58:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help!! Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808292334.QAA12451@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >>>>Oh Patrick! Someone please bail him out!<<< Yep...I see Patrick really worried:):) And Pam, thanks...I shall loook forward to a bird bath or 2, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 19:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pdq.net!larsonrw From: "Ron and Wendy Larson" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: 3d lighthouses/Taurus II saw questions Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.155440.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDD38F.3DCF9400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of any pattern books that have beginner to intermediate = level 3d stained glass designs of lighthouses? I want to make these in = varying sizes and have the ability to put lights in them as well. I have = done flat pieces but never something that would have to stand up by = itself. My main question is what kind of lead to use to join each of the = sides - regular lead u channel does not seem to work for that kind of = support. And where would I get that lead? Also, does anyone have any comments from using the Gemini Taurus II saw? = I am thinking seriously of going to it but am concerned about not having = the speed controls? Is there any special type glass where I would really = need speed control?=20 Thanks. Love all the new things I have learned here... Wendy in Alvin, TX=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDD38F.3DCF9400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know of any pattern = books that have=20 beginner to intermediate level 3d stained glass designs of lighthouses? = I want=20 to make these in varying sizes and have the ability to put lights in = them as=20 well. I have done flat pieces but never something that would have to = stand up by=20 itself. My main question is what kind of lead to use to join each of the = sides -=20 regular lead u channel does not seem to work for that kind of support. = And where=20 would I get that lead?
 
Also, does anyone have any comments from using the = Gemini=20 Taurus II saw? I am thinking seriously of going to it but am concerned = about not=20 having the speed controls? Is there any special type glass where I would = really=20 need speed control?
 
Thanks. Love all the new things I have learned=20 here...
 
Wendy in Alvin, TX
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDD38F.3DCF9400-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 20:32:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #48 Glenn Spicer Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.16463.0> Precedence: bulk This bio is from my portfolio and may be a little more conservative, but if it fits your bill then here it is. I was born 1947 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. After graduating in Biology at the University of Guelph I worked there as a scientific illustrator, then as a scientific sculptor for the construction of the new Dinosaur Gallery of the Royal Ontario Museum. After working for a time as a Keeper at the Metropolitan Toronto Zoological Park, I moved to Vancouver, BC in 1976 where received my Professional Teachers Certification in Fine Arts and Biology. I then studied at the Emily Carr College of Art and Design under the accomplished sculptors Mark Prent, George Ramel, and George Norris. I was hired by the Vancouver as their Senior Display Artist for the duration of the construction of the award winning Graham Amazon Gallery. In 1984 I moved to Maple Bay on Vancouver Island, where I was commissioned to do a number of public sculptures and art glass windows. I have recently designed and built a house and studio by the ocean where I pursue my artistic nature through sculpture, drawing, music, and writing. My sculptures are cast, carved, and\or constructed in bronze, copper, fiberglass, reinforced concrete, glass, stone, and mixed media. My stained glass work is often detailed using sandblasting, etching, and carving on a variety of flat rolled and hand blown coloured glass and has similar style ranges as my sculpture. I draw upon my rich and varied background experience to create expressive realism in figurative and wildlife renditions and carefully executed stylized and abstracted forms. These may be integrated with both ancient and modern cultural energies to reflect our anthropological roots in modern terms. Much of my research is an exploration into the forms and spirits of nature and delves into the mind and soul of man. There is an age old disturbance in the fabric of life between these two when they are supposed to be as one. Our complex society, awash with technology and competition, has a tendency to render submissive our inner spiritual being and its ties to the organic and spiritual world. Symbols are one of the vessels wherein we find an anchor to deal with the "logarithmic" growth of stimulus around us. It is one of the artist's roles, I feel, to link this growing library of symbols and forms into patterns that can be instinctively grasped in a primitive and/or an intellectual a manner that encourages us to evolve. My work tends towards perfection of form, line and mass, yet I see a place in this for randomness, apparent irrelevancies, and incompletions. This is the balance to which I look, dynamic equilibrium, where there is a place for divergence and convergence in balance like the equilateral triangle or the circle. I find that the application of light and colour to my work through reflection, transmission, and/or illumination brings a different awareness to my work, creating, as it were, that fourth corner of the elemental tetrahedron. The true dance is found by the spirit on the razor's edge, between total abstraction of the subconscious mind and realism of the human experience. This is where I strive to be in my work. If I can manage to bring this to my work, then there is satisfaction and progress. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 20:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Having pity on Patrick Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.17252.0> Precedence: bulk One kind and generous soul has saved me from the savage attack of an anti-social sheepdog named Toby. If you listen closely you can hear him growling .... bios ..... bios ...... bios. While he is at bay temporarily he is still agitated since the UK taxes the TV and he can't watch re-runs of Lassie. If I don't get bios to post soon my leg will be a snack. Glenn Spicer saved my day by sending in a bio. Now for the rest of you who haven't. Please do quickly. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 21:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:17:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Threats from the group Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:14:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.171432.0> Precedence: bulk I am now getting these kinds of veiled threats. So all of you lurkers out there get busy with the bios. I would say that I'm about to get scalped, but they are too late (I shave my head totally bald). <> Gulp! Inland arrowhead grinder? Popcorn withdrawal is a terrible thing to watch ... hurry before they break the birdbaths apart and start sharpening the pieces. I'm sure they won't have the decency to use KoKoMo spears or Spectrum arrowheads .... just terra cota (what an earthy way to go). Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 21:07:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained Glass in Sedona Arizona? Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:21:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug29.13215.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Is there anyone who lives in Sedona Arizona who is looking for a part-time employee? A friend of one of the artist members is considering a move and is interested in part time employment in the stained glass field. Now I know this may not be the place to ask but I figured if any one would know it would be you all. You may e-mail me personally and I will then forward the information on to the inquiring party. Thanks! Pam -- ********************************* Moswood Mountain Limited Pamela Burns-Tappan http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 21:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lighthouses Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:41:49 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.34149.0> Precedence: bulk My main question is what kind of lead to use to join each of the = sides - regular lead u channel does not seem to work for that kind of = support. And where would I get that lead? Hey Wendy, Personally have never done a 3d in lead, always used copper foil. Alta Pacific, Mini-Mansions by Carolyn & Gordon Otsen has 3d lighthouses in it. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 23:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re:Re:Bird Bath Construction & Help!! Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:35:24 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.53524.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, Lemme know what you think of the inland arrowhead. Thanx, Scott *sm!* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 29 23:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: del2.vsnl.net.in!avparora From: AVP Arora To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass eduction Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:13:30 +0530 Message-ID: <35E8E682.5FF7@del2.vsnl.net.in> References: <<199808282124.RAA02639@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for replying to my query. I think i have got enough information for now to think on and investigate upon. Im going to chek out all the colleges and courses that you all have mentioned. As for doing an apprenticeship under an artist, I agree that would be the ideal way to learn but unfortunately I do not know of any glass artists in New Delhi, where i stay. I'll keey y'all posted on my progress. Thanks again Deepshikha > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 02:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: larsonrw@pdq.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 3d lighthouses/Taurus II saw questions Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:34:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.83423.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Wendy,the pattern book called mini mansions has two really neat light house patterns..for threed construction,that are also lit up. I have made both patterns using the copper foil technique with great success. As far as the taurus, i don't own one myself but have operated one at two glass expos and really enjoyed working with it. Good Luck with the lighthouses,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 08:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 07:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 48 Tracy Reitmann Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug30.44645.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, Lurker Bio time I guess=85.we wouldn't want Patrick's leg becoming = an afternoon snack for one named Toby!! Let's see=85where to start=85okay, = I'm 37, a desktop publisher who has (and has had) a wide variety of hobbies. I'm f= rom Minnesota, that's what I tell people when they ask, but I've actually onl= y spent about half my life there. I started out in Dallas, Texas, then Oklahoma City, then to Minnesota (which is where my family is from). Fro= m there I left once to live in Las Vegas (didn't last a year there though), returned to Minnesota, then off again to San Francisco for 8 years, then back again to Minnesota (but I find I get quite homesick for San Francisco at times). As one can imagine, I adapt pretty easily to new situations. I'm also no= t afraid of trying new things. My main occupation started out being a lega= l secretary/assistant but when computers came out I was hooked, and when th= e Internet started I was in heaven. I've written a few web pages, teaching myself HTML from looking at how other w= eb pages were written, and started dabbling in desktop publishing, which is what I do now full time (although breaking off from working for lawyers w= as similar to trying to shoo bees away from you out in the garden in late summer). My lack of fear of trying new things allowed me to do all sorts of things= -- in San Francisco, I kept busy with things like freelance photography, sta= ge managing Shakespeare, learning to play pool (and managing to win a few trophies in tournaments while I was at it), doing freelance word processi= ng, and being a pet food sales rep (which is where I came across my pal, Jack= , who is an 8 year-old part Husky and constant companion -- I should say constant "vocal" compan= ion as his Husky blood makes him quite the talker). I was exposed to stained glass when one of my folks, Sue (or Oddjob as sh= e's known here in Bungi-land), started doing it when they were living in Tucs= on, Arizona. Right away I wanted to know how it was done and I remember her showing me some of the basics when I would visit them. After that I started to notice it more and more in San Francisco and I remember seeing some awesome piec= es around the City. My folks and I moved back to Minnesota at around the sa= me time (about 4 years ago) and then I was able to see her projects being ma= de. Finally, about a year ago I decided it was time, I had to learn for mysel= f how to do it and asked if she would help me -- she had been perfecting he= r skill over the last several years and was creating some really outstandin= g pieces. I also felt it was something important enough to keep in the family=85kind of like a carpenter teaching his son, who teaches his son, etc. I feel pretty fortunate that I have her as my teacher. Lampshades seem to be my main interest, which explains why I haven't ventured into leaded pieces yet. But, living where we do, I figure this winter there will be plenty of time for that -- winters in Minnesota are rather long (about 6 months) and people around here usually have a list of "winter projects" a mile long. And since I won't be able to spend time in the flower gardens= I have going (which is another hobby that pretty well consumes a lot of my free time) I may as well get my feet wet in that area. (Plus I just boug= ht my first house and there are a few windows that need dressing up.) A hug= e interest of mine is learning about the Anishinaabe (Native Americans), ranging from their lives, to religion to even learning how to speak Ojibwe (one of the tribes from thi= s part of the country) and I find I'm designing quite a bit of southwestern style pieces (okay, I'll admit, I think only one piece so far "isn't" southwestern-style). I find the design part the trickiest for me. I spe= nd I don't know how much time sketching different designs then go over some = of them with Sue to see what will work and why, and what won't work and why. Another problem I have is to finally decide what colors of glass I want t= o use for a piece -- there's just too many possibilities!!! It's great! (Unless you're with me in the glass shop where I can spend literally hour= s deciding what I want to use!) Well, I hope this kept Toby off of Patrick for at least another week or s= o. I've enjoyed reading (and learning from) all the posts on Bungi and also meeting some of the people out there (at least in cyber-space). That's about it for me everyone=85I'm now going to see if I can find where I lef= t my lurker seat and resume my post there! Tracy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 09:30:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199808301543.IAA09535@nfs1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk Patrick, you've made me feel better about my occasional computer boo boos. If you do it.................well, it's not so bad if I do too. Shiela > Well, > What do you expect!! > TOOOooo much of the Irish double-malt , says I!! > Toby does not deign to comment.... HE doesn't MISS ANYTHING!!!! > Really, one simply can't get the staff these days!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Some weird Irishman wrote: > > I inadvertently deleted the folder with the unposted bios in it. I am in > > desperate need of anyone who hasn't sent in a bio to do so. Quick, send me > > your bio. > > > > I am expecting to suffer slings and arrows from an unknown source (me thinks > > a crazed Swede with a grumpy canine companion) for this error. She's > > probably sitting in her hammock right now sharpening the arrowheads and > > contemplating the trajectory, wind speed and direction, to Texas from the > > UK. Where is a decent hurricane when I need one? > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 09:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199808301306.OAA16387@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Gggrruummmphhhh! Hhhumphh! ONE bio - TWO Irish legs!! Toby ( - not quite placated, and still lusting after at least ONE leg!!- especially after the "mess" that Irishman made of Elisabeth's beautiful garden swing!) > > >>>>Oh Patrick! Someone please bail him out!<<< > > Yep...I see Patrick really worried:):) > And Pam, thanks...I shall loook forward to a bird bath or 2, > Cindy ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 09:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199808301303.OAA16328@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Gggrruummmphhhh! Hhhumphh! ONE bio - TWO Irish legs!! Toby ( - not quite placated, and still lusting after at least ONE leg!!- especially after the "mess" that Irishman made of Elisabeth's beautiful garden swing!) > > >>>>Oh Patrick! Someone please bail him out!<<< > > Yep...I see Patrick really worried:):) > And Pam, thanks...I shall loook forward to a bird bath or 2, > Cindy ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 11:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bio #48 Glenn Spicer Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199808301555.IAA09845@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Great bio from fellow Canadain...I knew Glenn was a smart man:)and I for one love to hear the artistic side of men. My hubby is artistic, only takes him 5 years to finish a piece, chuckle. Also many thanks I'm sure for bailing out Patrick....guess Patrick won't be doing that again. chuckle, grin and LOL Cindy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 11:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Toby Subject: Re: Glass education Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:57:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug30.195742.0> References: <<199808292310.AAA03001@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk In message <199808292310.AAA03001@saturn.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >THREE CHEERS for EliZabeth in Bournemouth!!!! > >You have got greater courage than I have!! > >The Swansea course is basically 2 years, with an extra "Foundation >Year" for those who believe that van Gogh is a "pop group". >NVQ is a new-fangled qualification which nobody believes in >(especially Industry). You can manage a "Pass" in Level 1 if you can >demonstrate that you can read and write; (I myself went through an >NVQ course in IT and computer studies to Level 3. This was 2 years >ago and I still have not collected my guilt-edged Certificate...); >City & Guild....hmmm... a bit out of touch. >I have been to several "Finalists' Exhibitions" at Swansea and >various Colleges in/around London/Midlands/Sout-East. >Hence, I could not agree with you more!! >You have these so called graduates who roll along, wanting to "keep >their hand in" -- or to pick your brain. They "know it all", but as >you say, they have not the faintest idea of lead, and when you >present them with 90 degree angle leads, that totally blows their >minds... > I don't think any college would claim to produce graduates who know the whole field. The student's time a college enables them to experiment with the materials and within the limitation of the college/course materials and expertise. They do not have to demonstrate the craft abilities of those long experienced in producing stained glass. Many of the respected artists in the field do not do their own assembly of windows. Some design and paint/etch the windows, but employ a studio to construct and install the resulting windows. This is not necessarilly bad. It is just outside the arts and crafts movement principles of Morris. (Perhaps we need to leave Morris behind not only in stained glass, but also in a number of areas where arts and crafts intermingle). I would have thought that the people like you and Elizabeth (and others) who have spent so long acquiring your skills, would not expect that a student of three years (who has many subjects to encompass in addition to stained glass) would be sympathetic to the neophyte designer, also attempting to become a craftsperson. As it is very difficult to find employment in studios, the educational route must be the one many choose to get an introduction to the craft (and art). I know from another area of work, that education cannot give all the practical elements required, but it does provide a (relatively) uncluttered perspective on the work/profession/craft. The advantage of education over apprenticeship is one of independence of thought and better perspective on particular work practices. The disadvantage, of course, is a lack of detailed knowledge and practiced skills. Just my little bit of attempted defence of education over apprenticeship. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 14:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:36:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: Leslye2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: putty/cement recipe Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:35:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.20351.0> Precedence: bulk After a 4 year sabatical to start my family I am happily back creating stained glass. I have forgotten the recipe for putty (cement) for lead work. I bought some premade Inland and was not happy with it. Can anyone remind me of the ingredients and ratios? Thanks, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 15:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Visions Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:07:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.2279.0> Precedence: bulk Have finally unpacked my glass "goodies" from Warner-Crivillaro's "Glass Visions" last week, and will finally get the opportunity to work with them. Judging from talking with quite a few people who attended this affair, they found it exhausting, exhilarating, worth the trip, a learning experience, and, fun. Exhausting: Because there was a lot to see, with all the vendors displaying their wares, and anxious to show whatever they had, and how it worked. The weather was "on the hot side", but, W-C had put up two giant- sized tents on the outside for the complimentary lunch, they offered, and, for the seminars that were conducted, along with oscillating fans to help keep,what little breeze there was, moving. Exhilarating: Any trip to W-C is inspiring, with beautiful samples of stained glass works, including the ones found in the catalog, with many others, to fire the imagination. John Triggs, from Youghiogheny Glass was there (thank heavens)....I had bought Youghiogheny glass from his factory while on the trip up there with W-C, and then did the unpardonable sin of starting a project and not having enough glass to finish it. (A total NO-NO). To compound this error, it was un-numbered glass, but John Triggs took time from his busy table to point me in the right direction in getting the right glass, or the closest to it. Worth the trip: Because, your money went a good deal further than it ordinarily goes, as witnessed by the baskets and baskets of overflowing products being pushed, pulled, and, purchased by glazed-eyes, glass enthusiasts. A Learning Experience: Because, wherever one falls on the scale of stained-glass enthusiast, whether a really, really, new-newbie, or, been- around-a-long-time-pro, there was something for everyone in the seminars. Joe Porcelli, from Glass Craftsman, did a seminar on Patinas. He covered everything you wanted to know about 'em; things you never thought of, about 'em; things you thought you'd never really want to know, about 'em; and, if you couldn't attend his seminar, you'll probably have to buy his book, to learn, about 'em. Tommy "G" from S.A. Bendheim & Co., did a great bit on the various types of glass available to us. You think you knew it all, until you hear him, and you realize, even tho you've been doing glass for awhile, and you've learn by "hit or miss" on the characteristics of glass, you realize, there is a logical explanation of why a certain glass re-acts a certain way, instead of, well, that's a piece of "inferior" glass. Stuart Goldman had the seminar on bevels (which was a, hands-on- experience). And, again, judging from the reaction of his audience, the experience was a much-needed one, for people to look at bevels from a different perspective. He had pre-packaged, bevel clusters, which he took apart, and encouraged individuals from the audience, to come up and experiment with re-arranging these bevels on graft paper, to get totally new designs....... gotten.... from their imaginations. The oohs and aahs from participants was really gratifying. Fun: Because you had a full day (or two) to be surrounded by "glass folk", whom, you all know, are delightful folk. It was great seeing faces from the "Bungi" group and to connect them to their imagined e-mail image. The seminars were great fun because the three "gents" (Joe Porcelli, Tommy "G" and Stuart Goldman) peppered their presentations with so much humour and such tremendous enthusiasm, that it was made, doubly enjoyable. Warner-Crivillaro deserves many kudos for hosting this event. The skeptics might say, well sure, they make great sales from this kind of thing. Certainly, they do...but that's only one of the deserving aspects of it. They, also, put on this kind of event, to make it easier for us, to see, feel, touch and talk, with each supplier, under one roof......(your gonna' need to buy your supplies anyway)......(The crowds always around the Morton table made me chuckle, as people pushed in and about either to buy something from the system, or try to figure out how to work with what they had already bought, from the system.) The amount of work and co-ordination needed to sponsor this kind of Trade Show for our industry, was tremendous, and Warner-Crivellaro needs to be congratulated. Congratualtions Warner-Crivellaro! Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 16:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!jlagana From: "Joe Lagana" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Eastern Pennsylvania Area Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug30.13236.0> Precedence: bulk Is anyone from Eastern Pennsylvania? Joe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 18:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jbenner From: jbenner@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: WC Glass Visions Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug30.16185.0> Precedence: bulk HI Lavernge, That was a wonderful show wasn't it. I don't do the glass in the family but went along for moral support and to help shop. That's a wifes duty isn't it? (G) We both had a wonderful time, even in line. As someone behind us in line said "I don't know which is sicker, that you wait in line for 3 hours, or that we are all laughing about it". We made alot of friends in line. Discussed projects and how toos, inspected any and all items that were on our checkout path and purchased more stuff during our checkout path. We found ourselves "needing" things we didn't know existed and "selling" things to each other also. i think we all easily doubled the amounts we started in our baskets by the time we checked out. Next year they need drinks along the checkout lines. A nice lady did come around with cookies, but boy, chocolate makes you even thirstier. (G) I didn't think I'd find anything for myself there, but I did get in on a demo of the glass paints and made a beautiful (If I do say so myself) glittery teal, green, and purple nugget> of course then had to buy the book and 35.00 worth of paint. So I had a great time. We didn't go back Sunday, but then we live 2 miles away, so is no big deal to run over anytime. Great job W-C! Judy Benner jbenner@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 18:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: W/C Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:19:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug31.01943.0> Precedence: bulk I have to agree with you Lavergne the trip to W/C for me was a long one and not without its incidents (one broken fuel pump) but well worth it to me. I really enjoyed meeting all of my " glass" friends and spending the weekend with them at such a great place. The Warners deserve all of the Kudos for putting on such an event, and if they made some sales along the way more power to them that is the whole idea to promote glass to one and all. I look forward to next years event with enthusiasm. In my case it is more of a social event and a great way to meet people and exchange ideas and some great stories. Keep up the good work Charles. And maybe next year TommyG. won't forget to tell Joe where the real party is going on HAHAHA. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 19:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: MORE vacation Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug30.17190.0> Precedence: bulk I keep going away...this past weekend I went to Saratoga Springs to see the Travers (and if you saw it on ESPN, you know how exciting it was!). While walking through downtown (Broadway, Rte 9), we went into the Symmetry Gallery, which has a lot of hot glass work, and it is well worth the viewing (for those of you heading up the Northway). I was particularly taken by the work of a man named Milton Townsend. He does incredible dancing flameworked human figures, colored, some with etched dichroic draperies. According to the gallery owner, he had been working only with clear glass until a couple of years ago. Looking at his work, I think he's found his muse. There is a lightness and joy to his work, as well as being just plain lovely. Craft fair season starts up again for me next weekend, so I won't have much tine for field trips. (PS, and if you're in that area, you might want to go over to Williamstown MA and visit the art museum there. It has an extraordinary collection of paintings.) Foiling to do,still unpacking glass from my PA trip. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 20:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:28:34 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug30.232834.0> Precedence: bulk HI! Ok here is the I use from work. Add 2 parts boiled linseed oil to 8 parts paint thinner. Add 1/2 cup of this oil mixture to one can of dap 1012. Mix with power drill and mixing attachment until consistency of pancake batter. Do not add linseed to thin, add paint thinner one tablspoon at a time. Have fun!!!!!!!! Scott*sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 20:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Visions Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:05:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Aug31.2528.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-08-30 18:54:39 EDT, LByrne21@aol.com writes: << The amount of work and co-ordination needed to sponsor this kind of Trade Show for our industry, was tremendous, and Warner-Crivellaro needs to be congratulated. Congratualtions Warner-Crivellaro! >> yep....what she said.... There were so many things going on in and out of the showroom, even the wait in line was a social occasion, my significant other occupied himself by holding the "stopsign", a ironwork stopsign frame which holds a (not yet) finished panel, and the scrolls beneath it can hold plants....or the significant other.... At any rate, he occupied himself by saying "stop" / "go".....we were in line quite a while, he did pretty good actually being he has no clue about glass. I met quite a few bungians, Lenore, Lavernge, Stan, Hilary, Nancy and "Shyguy". Charles and Marianne were the best of hosts, they even had someone offering to get beverages for the folks in line. She was a lifesaver! I sat in for Joe Porcelli's lecture, a wealth of information in the time he talked. Thanks to Bungi, I met alot of great people, and some wonderful folks up in Allentown. Maureen mosfunland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 30 20:47:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Putty recipe Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:19:41 PDT Message-ID: <1998Aug31.31941.0> Precedence: bulk Add 2 parts boiled linseed oil to 8 parts paint thinner. Add 1/2 cup of this oil mixture to one can of dap 1012. Mix with power drill and mixing attachment until consistency of pancake batter. Do not add linseed to thin, add paint thinner one tablspoon at a time. Have fun!!!!!!!! Scott*sm* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 04:30:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: scott floyd , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE:Re: Putty recipe Date: Mon Aug 31 03:29:24 1998 Message-ID: <98Aug31.124316gmt+0100.19598-2@michelle.magnet.mt> References: <<1998Aug31.31941.0>> Precedence: bulk scott floyd: > > > > Add 2 parts boiled linseed oil to 8 parts paint thinner. Add 1/2 cup >of this oil mixture to one can of dap 1012. WHAT IS DAP 1012?? Is there not something else that can be used?? I mean, you may as well buy the putty if you are going to buy DAP >mixing attachment until consistency of pancake batter. Is this not TOO runny?? How will it stay put at least for a little while?? Do not add >linseed to thin, add paint thinner one tablspoon at a time. Have >fun!!!!!!!! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 05:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Joe Lagana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Eastern Pennsylvania Area Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.33443.0> References: <<1998Aug30.13236.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Is anyone from Eastern Pennsylvania? There are a bunch of us around Eastern PA. What part? Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 08:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasshack From: Christine Orowitz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Need color help Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.52043.0> Organization: The Glass Shack Precedence: bulk Hi all, Usually I'm just a "lurker" to the list but need to ask for your help. I need to make a panel of an Irish Setter Dog. Please, what color glass do you think would match the dogs color. I have been looking and just can't seem to come up with something that is realistic looking. Thanks, Chris Orowitz glasshack@earthlink.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 12:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Christine Orowitz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need color help Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Aug31.3634.0> References: <<1998Aug31.52043.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Chris: You asked for color help for an Irish setter? How about a rust color. I have had this color and seems to me it is Wissmach. It is a reddish brown, rather glossy on one side. I am sure there are other glass manufacturers who have rust colored glass. Now having said this, I assume the Irish setter is the red one as opposed to the back lab? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 14:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: picking up kiln wash on projects Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.231647.0> References: <<1998Aug31.31941.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I've had a problem with my kiln wash for some time now. The kiln wash sticks to the back of my projects often. It is worst with Spectrum (and especially with their opals). The standard batt wash used in ceramics is picked up much more easily than the Hi-Line product. I paint the wash on to the shelf "up" and "down" and diagonally left to right and right to left. Fire shelf to about 260 C, hold for 10mins with kiln vented. Then smooth surface with hand or cloth (after it has cooled, of course). This works fine for slumping, but almost always in fusing the Spectrum picks up some or all of the wash underneath it. Any suggestions on how to avoid this? Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 15:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: scott floyd Subject: Re: Putty recipe Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:21:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.232118.0> References: <<1998Aug31.31941.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Over here (U K) we would add the oil mixture to whiting powder or calcium carbonate powder. The thinner we would use is what is called white spirit (it is a very thin clear oily substance which is sometimes used as paint thinner). To make it black, we add carbon black to the powder before the oil mixture. I don't know what DAP1012 might be either. Steve In message <1998Aug31.31941.0@?>, scott floyd writes > > > > Add 2 parts boiled linseed oil to 8 parts paint thinner. Add 1/2 cup >of this oil mixture to one can of dap 1012. Mix with power drill and >mixing attachment until consistency of pancake batter. Do not add >linseed to thin, add paint thinner one tablspoon at a time. Have >fun!!!!!!!! > > Scott*sm* > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 15:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: W/C Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.134215.0> References: <<1998Aug31.01943.0>> Precedence: bulk But there were still those lines...maybe next year I'll do my socializing and learning on Saturday and shop on Sunday! There was more than enough left to buy on Sunday, too. (And my car held up just fine. Since we're at over 170 thousand miles, that's good!) Dorothy Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > I have to agree with you Lavergne the trip to W/C for me was a long one and > not without its incidents (one broken fuel pump) but well worth it to me. I > really enjoyed meeting all of my " glass" friends and spending the weekend > with them at such a great place. The Warners deserve all of the Kudos for > putting on such an event, ..., ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 16:04:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE:Re: Putty recipe/Warning/Tip Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.141011.0> Precedence: bulk The cement recipe from = Peter Mollica's book: 4 parts whiting 2 parts Plaster of Paris* NOT 1 1/2 parts Turpentine 1 part boiled linseed oil 1 part Portland cement**NOT!! Lampblack to color The consistency should be like oil sludge. **DO NOT use Portland cement - this is a recent change - replace = these amounts with more whiting. *Julie Sloan suggests not using to avoid lime bloom, however = after trying her suggestions, we have gone back to including it in the formula because 1. It helps the cement set-up more quickly and 2. lime bloom is = not an issue in our dry climate. For any of you doing repairs on old cemented windows, particularly ones that have bowed, we forego the water bath method and spray the windows lightly with WD40. This seems to = soften the cement, even those with Portland, and allows for flattening of the panel, as well as removing the lead without breaking glass. I would be = curious to know if other studios have experienced the same good luck with this technique that we have. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 17:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!crmcdaniel From: "carol mcdaniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:23:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.162359.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove my name from the mailing list. crmcdaniel@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 18:58:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tampa Art Glass Show, Labor Day Weekend Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.152612.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Does anyone else going want to try to meet up at the show??? I'll wear a bungi cord wrist band for ID, and a Badge (I'll Make it in my computer) I'll be in the Hot Glass area most of the time only on Saturday, can spare just the one Day. Look forward to seeing who ever can come this weekend. Lee boe Rain-Boe's Creations http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/rainboe/ Almost got my web site up for public viewing on home.com, will let you know when I get all the links fixed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 19:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Need color help Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:49:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Sep1.14926.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/31/98 11:39:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, glasshack@earthlink.net writes: << I need to make a panel of an Irish Setter Dog. Please, what color glass do you think would match the dogs color. I have been looking and just can't seem to come up with something that is realistic looking.>> Hi Chris - Know just what you mean because I have a cat with a similar odd color. Also once had an irish setter named Brandy, and she was a very deep reddish brown. Spectrum has an opalescent #818-725 rosy brown that might be a good color. A few years ago, when I first started, I had a sheet of "root beer" but don't recall who the manufacturer was. It cut really easy so could be Spectrum also. Good Luck. Brenda M. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 20:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lancnews.infi.net!twobysea From: Russ/Cheryl Burke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Help with Discussion Group Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.174122.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks: At recent Warner-Crivello shindig, I was told that to get in touch with a glass-crafter-artist e-mail discussion group, I should contact this address. Please get me instructions on the how and what for same. I'd be most appreciative. Yours in glass, --Russ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 20:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "Lydia Heise" To: "Joe Lagana" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Eastern Pennsylvania Area Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.184333.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Joe, I'm from Warminster (Bucks County PA), Where are you? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Lagana To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 7:33 PM Subject: Eastern Pennsylvania Area >Is anyone from Eastern Pennsylvania? > >Joe > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 31 20:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Birds, bird baths and glass-functionality Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Aug31.13291.0> References: <<1998Aug27.25112.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk It has been my experience with stepping stones, that a customer either falls in love with it or not. And if they have fallen in love with it, then nothing seems to deter them from buying it. Besides, in the colder area, you can always fill the bath with mulch and then wrap in burlap. That should give it some protection. Good luck with it. Man my stones are heavy enough. Can't imagine dragging around a bird bath to the shows. Talk to you later, Shirley BPamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Just wanted to say a big thank you to all who continued this interesting > thread. I have decided to keep that hummer and floral accents in the > bath section itself. Here are some other points to think about from a > personal reply I received. > > "Why does she want the inside done. If it gets any amount of sun the > grout > will discolor with algae and the glass itself will constantly need > cleaning. It will be overly susceptible to the freeze thaw cycle. It > will have to come in at first frost and can't go back out till last > frost." > > A logical question about functionality. I keep my bird bath pretty clean > and bring my ceramics or breakables in when we start our winter season > here in Washington. The grout on mine has faded a bit, but to me that > has added a new dimension to the "look" of the bath. As far as selling > points regarding the above factors, any comments. To be honest I didn't > take these into consideration. I feel the bath itself is not only > functional but pretty too. I believe the concrete baths have to be > cleaned as well throughout the season. > > Does anyone have a comment regarding consumer attitudes on the > functionality issue? > > I really appreciated this reply, sorry I haven't gotten back with you > personally R *s*. It was a comment that really got me to thinking in a > new perspective regarding consumer attitude's. Thanks! > > O.k. so any comments on this from all of you? > > I'm off to the bird bath! > > Pam > > -- > ********************************* > Moswood Mountain Limited > Pamela Burns-Tappan > President > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > > Stained Glass Artists > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > Proud Member of: > The International Guild of Glass Artists > Stained Glass Artists > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass