From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: schaechter as an artist? Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:20:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998May31.20206.0> References: <<199805301903.PAA01044@water.waterw.com>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk oH, My, I must be the wrong generation- I find the work- GROSS- But the technique and painting are obviously well studied and executed. Each to his own taste. And yes, a certain amount of art buyers are certainly going to latch onto this. This artist could certainly render moving images of the Holocost, in Germany. Think of the images of the concentration camps. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #24 Gerard Gouault Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998May31.192028.0> Precedence: bulk Name: Gerard Gouault Born: Le Mans, France in June 1945 I lived in Australia since 1971 Started doing stained glass about 7-8 years ago after loosing all hope of finding work and my partner got redundant (what a concept !!) we built up a small business in Hobart Tasmania first selling at markets then we had a small shop on the harbour. We also were giving classes and selling glass and supplies. We moved to the Sunshine coast Queensland about a year ago chasing more tourists as customers. We are having a hard time rebuilding the business from scratch. I have about 20 years experience in computers too so we are now turning to the Internet to try and increase our sales, especially our Tiffany lampshades. We do not have too many original designs because we do not see ourselves as "artists" but we have developed some sort of style as "craftpeople" We hope to retail our lamps and a full assortment of books, tools and supplies on the net. I am designing a new site complete with online buying. Harlequin Leadlight Home page ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:24:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #25 Kay Allen Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:23:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998May31.192320.0> Precedence: bulk Name: Kay Allen (fullspec@sunset.net) Age: Born in August of 1944. A thoroughly modern Leo. Location: Chico, Butte Co., California ( 1 1/2 hrs. by car north of Sacramento where one goes to pick up California lotto winnings.....still waiting!) Occupation: Retired from a profession chosen early in life. High school career testing back in the 1960's indicated I had equal interests in arts and medical-technical. I chose a medical-technical career, lured by a way to support myself. I did, with the help of several husbands. Present marital status: Married to a very wonderful man, Bill. Just had 11th anniversary on Feb. 14th. Children: None, but I planned it that way. (However, see Pets) Pets: 3 cats (What else for a Leo). One ten year old Himalayan male named Cervantes de la Mancha, one eleven year old Siamese-mix female named Esmeralda de Barcelona (yes, we traveled throughout Spain for 8 months in 1985 and I was enamored by it's history and everything else Spanish) and one seven year old Abby female named, Cleo Allen, AKA "Squeakers". All of the above can easily fend for themselves when Bill and I want to leave for a week or so doing whatever....... Background: Born in Houston, TX. Second of seven children. Went to parochial school until 10th grade. Parents divorced. Attended four different high schools before I graduated in 1962 in Stamford, CT. (Thanks to aunts, cousins, etc.). Higher education (in Medical Technology): Centenary College, Shreveport, LA, Northwestern State University, Natchitoches, LA, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA. Left higher education before obtaining a degree and kicked myself hard every time I would get a paycheck. Worked in the medical laboratory field full time for thirty years. Past and Present Interests: Photography, Classical and Folk Guitar, Calligraphy, Graphology, Travel (especially cruises), Needlepoint, Gourmet Cooking, Gardening, Learning how to use the Computer, Karaoke, Genealogy, and, of course, Stained Glass. How I got interested in Stained Glass: A few years ago, Bill and I went to Tijuana, Mexico to buy a small round stained glass insert for a bedroom window in our Los Angeles home. It fit just perfectly and only cost $60. Later, when a friend viewed the window, he said, "Why don't we learn how to do that?" So I found the only local teacher and we took a few classes. Made the ubiquitous "beginner" Tulip 10" x 12" sun catcher that took six weeks to complete. The teacher had only been doing stained glass for three years but had his own store front and studio. He did excellent lead work and seemed to always have a large commission in progress. The person I took classes with soon wanted to set up a work shop in my garage, so we bought all the necessary tools, and made two 4' x 8' work benches. Our second project was making two identical sidelight panels for my kitchen eating area window ( we chose a fairly simple pattern but it was still a big step up from the two little sun catchers we first made). Over the next few years we made panels for almost every window in my house. The contemporary design of the house offered us almost every shape window to work with. The projects became increasingly more complex and our skills grew. Since we lived in a subdivision of 72 houses with 3 similar floor plans, our neighbors began asking us to do windows for their homes. Our house was like a showroom for them. When it came time to sell our house, we sold every window we had made to either the buyer or neighbors. I also made small gift items to sell at holiday craft shows which did quite well. Since moving to Chico, CA, we have almost completed the new studio in the garage. I'm waiting for the weather to warm a bit, then I will get started again. How bungi.com has helped me: Gave me inspiration to learn design (still scary and frustrating), answered technical questions, gave advice about setting up a studio, gave advice about going into business, informed me of glass shows and exhibitions, referred me to other glass related web pages, and introduced me to the most interesting and helpful group of artisans I ever hope to meet. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: art funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998May31.215834.0> Precedence: bulk I did alittle online research... http://theory.rockefeller.edu/~giannak/NEA.html (3/9/96) (copied and edited from above) GIVEN THAT: The NEA represents the arts in the United States: the symphonies, the theatres, the ballet, the opera and the visual arts; For every $1 the NEA awards, $11 is generated from local arts agencies, foundations, corporations, state agencies and individuals; NEA funding stimulates the local economies: the arts attract tourist dollars, attract business development, create jobs, and improve the overall quality of life in our communities; The NEA sponsors important participation of arts organizations and artists in the curriculum of our schools,and that NEA-sponsored art education programs enhance the creativity and positive development of the future generations of this country; The NEA has supported over 100,000 arts organizations, public radio and television, museums and projects,improving the quality of life for millions of Americans; By the way, also, found time to day to go to http://arts.endow.gov/NEAText/Guide/Facts/Contents.html excellent site. I was happy to find that most of the grants go to such a diverse groups. I,also, like the fact, that most presentations are either taped for later viewing or that they are on tour around the country. I might not enjoy some of the things that are supported but, hey, differences of opinions and interests make the world go around....and maybe later in life I might find that I have grow to like one or two of them...some things are an aquired taste....like Spinach. Have a good week all, Jill Medlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: polishing question Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:27:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998May31.202741.0> References: <<199805312048.VAA17415@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I use a soft (baby) toothbrush. They are small, and designed to teach a young child how to brush their teeth without doing damage to their mouths. Perfect for this. I just finished a show, will answer your note soon, Elisabeth-never fear. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Toby wrote: > > Try using a very soft natural bristle baby brush. You might find this > just as effective and cutting short the Q-tip work... > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Cindy asked: > Hi everyone, > When working out the polish (kempro) in the edges of the glass to the foil I > use a qtip. Just wondering what you all use? It's a long job with qtips. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 01:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cynical Art funding website...YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR...can be offensive.... Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:11:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998May31.221146.0> Precedence: bulk Please don't flame me...but, if you enjoy it drop me a line. http://weber.u.washington.edu/~hodin/NEAArmy/ Jill Medlyn jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 05:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: yo guys Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:16:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.21659.0> Precedence: bulk I don't feel I must anything on the subject but I sure am enjoying Linda ---------- From: Cindy Pesonen[SMTP:cpesonen@bcinternet.net] Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 5:08 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: yo guys The bonding of giant minds is all that is coming across, smaller folk feel somewhat at a lose of what to say. Could you maybe now go private? Peabrain ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 06:37:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: repair work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.3402.0> Precedence: bulk Jerri, Once before here somone said to be sure to trace the shape of the broken = pieces before taking it apart. I don't know it this is common knowledge or not but I don't use the = soulder braid to remove solder. I get off as much as I can using the = iron, break away the pieces by scoring an X in the middle and then I use = thin strips of aluminum cut from soda cans to get the remaining foil and = lead. I cut the strips about 3/8" wide and the height of the can. = Working them between the foil behind the hot iron, keeps the solder from = fusing back together, making removal easy. I forget where I heard this = but it works like a charm. I have broken several pieces of my own work, = polishing them. :) Linda ---------- From: jerri m Roey[SMTP:jroey@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:18 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: repair work =09 can't imagine taking a *whole* panel apart. Is there an easy way to do it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 08:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011329.JAA18905@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > What IS the percentage of NEA > funding to the states? And how is > it determined? Even more interesting, > how much do various states contribute > from the state level? You know, the > more we've discussed this, the more > I realize I don't know enough FACTS. The facts are available from http://arts.endow.gov/ "The NEA links local, state and regional organizations in a cooperative system of arts support. Before the NEA, only five states had state-funded arts councils. Today, all 50 states do. The NEA devotes 40% of its budget to partnerships with state and regional arts agencies. " From: http://arts.endow.gov/Guide/Facts/DidYa2.html Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 08:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011329.JAA18912@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I think the point is not what 40 cents means to me, but rather how all > those 200 million 40 cents"es" could be better spent to help those in > real need. You know, I was thinking this weekend about how amazing it is that some people involved in the arts are actually against support for the arts. Rather than cut death-dealing programs, though, some people in the arts seem to be more in favor of cutting life-enhancing programs. I find that singularly odd. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 08:49:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cynical Art funding website...YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011329.JAA18908@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Please don't flame me...but, if you enjoy it drop me a line. > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~hodin/NEAArmy/ Jill, it's hysterical! I love it! I don't think it's cynical at all. I think they're serious. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:05:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011329.JAA18922@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > money is wasted on the NEA. How many of my dollars actually make it to > the artist? On http://arts.endow.gov/ one reads that on May 22 (week before last) they announced nearly $60 million in new grants for 1998, which are only the *new grants. I'm still looking for info on the NEA's efficiency, that is to say, the amount given to them by Congress and the amount distributed. Of course, the total has been dramatically reduced over the past couple of years: FY97 $ 99.5 million FY96 $ 99.5 million FY95 $162.3 million I did, however, find the comparison of what's being "stolen" out of taxpayers' pockets, as you put it, compared with what's being spent on the arts in other countries: "This year's $99.5 million appropriation reduced each American's federal contribution to 38 cents, less than the cost of a candy bar. Even when state and local public funding is factored in, the contribution to the arts only amounts to approximately $3.00 per person. Compare that to what other countries contribute. The Federal Republic of Germany spends nearly $40 per capita on the arts, and France about $35. The United Kingdom, which has a dedicated national lottery to subsidize the arts, spends about $17 per capita each year, and Canada spends nearly $30. If you include everything the United States government spends on both Endowments, the Institute for Museum Services, the Smithsonian, National Gallery, and other cultural institutions, we still spend less than $5 per person each year. While I am mindful of the tradition of private giving to the arts that America has enjoyed in the past, private givers follow the lead of public support. The combination of the two still does not equal the support that the arts enjoy in many other developed nations." That from Jane Alexander's statement to the the United States Senate Appropriations Committee, Washington, D.C., May 8, 1996. That's what I was saying the other day, that the U.S. trails the rest of the world dramatically in its support for the arts. To recap and make the point I was making the other day: $40.00 - Germany $35.00 - France $30.00 - Canada $17.00 - UK $00.38 - US (ouch!) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Magazines /New and Old Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011329.JAA18915@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I guess there is not a whole lot of money in the mag > business. Otherwise we would see more than three or four > magazines dedicated to stained glass. The problem wasn't with the readers/subscribers, but with advertisers who didn't/wouldn't pay what they'd agreed to for their ads. I was amazed that even signed contracts could be denied. "Oh, he doesn't have authority to contract for advertising," said one major supplier. Nevermind that that same person had signed the contract 5 years running and they'd paid *those invoices. Politics, I'm afraid. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass Enamels Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:17:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.51741.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by pj friend >I was wondering those who use enamels. How long do you let the enamels dry before firing? Or do you pop them right into the kiln.< I let 'em dry thoroughly prior to poppin' 'em in the kiln. This usually only takes an hour or so. Depends on the medium you use in mixing the paints. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lambert glass Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.51747.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan >I am also wondering if anyone has worked with Glasuette Lamberts glass, = if so please let me know. Would like to hear some feedback on the glass itself.< Ooooo, Lambert glass! I've only worked with one sheet of very fabulous minty green (very strangely translucent but not totally transparent) with these elongated spots of white mixed in. Totally AWSOME glass. It was much thicker than standard stained glass sheets. Consequently, had to be careful to make it fit into the other glass. Getting it to break required more strength than with normal glass. But ooooooh how lovely! Cost an arm & a leg too. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: polishing question Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.51750.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cindy Pesonen >When working out the polish (kempro) in the edges of the glass to the fo= il I use a qtip. Just wondering what you all use? It's a long job with qtips.<= You know, I never did understand this use of the q-tip for polishing. Here's what I do: Grab a clean rag (old socks are my favorite). Shake up the Kem-O-Pro real well and dribble some on the glass. Spread it all around the glass & solder lines with the old sock. Let stand 5 minutes or more. Grab another clean old sock. Buff Kem-O-Pro off. Use my fingernails (covered by the old sock) to get into the corners & right up to the solder lines. Looks great. No q-tips needed. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 09:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: polishing question Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.55322.0> References: <<199805311602.JAA07595@ns2.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Hi everyone, > When working out the polish (kempro) in the edges of the glass to the foil I > use a qtip. Just wondering what you all use? It's a long job with qtips. > Smiles,Cindy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass primarily a q-tip. a small nylon brush in a dremel works pretty well. a tooth pick and a rag sometimes work. mostly i found it's best to wait util it's good and dry. sometimes it takes a day or more. then it comes off real easy. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 10:05:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lamp heat Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:54:43 -0400 Message-ID: <199806011352.JAA09988@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > Anyone out there know the surface temperature of an incandescent bulb? The temperature of any electrical appliance will rise until the amount of heat going in (from the electricity) is equal to the amount of heat going out (by dissipating into the air). So, the answer is, it depends. If you put the light bulb in a box of ceramic insulation, for example, it will rise until the glass melts or the filiment burns out, for example. A glass shade with no ventilation holes, and a narrow bottom, could conceivably get hot enough to melt the solder. But even before this happens, the wiring insulation going to the fixture could melt and short out. Needless to say this would be bad. To be safe, test it: Get a digital thermometer from Radio Shack (for example) with a thin flexible probe, and measure the temperature right at the socket. This should be within the rated limits (stated on the socket). If not, increase ventilation or reduce the wattage. (Safe does not necessarily imply legal to sell, of course.) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 10:18:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: repair work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:00:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun1.14034.0> Precedence: bulk Linda sez: > I use thin strips of aluminum cut from soda cans to get > the remaining foil and lead. [...] Working them between > the foil behind the hot iron, keeps the solder from > fusing back together [...] I ran across that one in a book recently. Don't remember exactly where, but I can also say from experience that it does work. Do I guess right from the narrowness of the strips that you're working the strips into the joints long-ways, so that by the time you're done, the unsoldered piece looks like it's partly "wrapped" in aluminum? The book suggested using a piece about an inch wide and the height of the can and wrapping several layers of masking tape around one end to keep from burning your fingers, holding it vertically and moving it along behind the iron. I've also used a dull knife and managed to get things apart with the foil intact, but the aluminum is thinner and works into the joints more easily. I sanded the edges lightly to dull them and rounded the corners so they wouldn't snag the foil (having found that trying to refoil things in place - i.e. the panel you took the broken pieces out of - is a real pain in the drain...). And of course, silly me threw the damned thing out when I was done using it... the next one I make goes in the tool box forever! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 10:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: repair work Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.6645.0> References: <<1998May31.191830.0>> Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > I've only done some minor repair work and hated it. Recently a > friend showed me a panel (copper foil) that she had that was badly > broken after being knocked out of a window. Out of mabye 30 pieces, I'd > say about half were broken. From my experience, I thought it'd be easier > to re-do the whole thing than to repair it. (I said, "NO WAY!" btw.) > This got me thinking though, is there an easy way to completely take > apart a panel? Could you soak the panel in something to make the foil > easy to remove? What I've done to take something apart was with the > desoldering braid, and it was quite time consuming just for one piece. I > can't imagine taking a *whole* panel apart. Is there an easy way to do > it? > > I've also enjoyed the "Arts Funding" thread. Definitely gave me > some things to think about. I haven't quite finished reading because > I've been out of town and have to catch up on my mail, but it's been > interesting. > > Thanks, > Jerri > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for a foiled window, you don't want to take the whole thing apart, just the affected pieces. and regardless of the break, it's always going to be a pain to fix. that's why repairing a project can cost more then building a new one. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 10:35:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:27:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.52722.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me temporarily ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 10:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: lamp heat/fish Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:02:05 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998May30.191254.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk what about a very small computer fan? they use almost no power, and some are very quiet. you'd want to either get an ac 120v fan which are larger, or if you have an old transformer from something (old portable radio or phone) that puts out the proper dc voltage, you could even use a cpu fan, which are only about 1" square. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 12:28:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: repair work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: <199806011537.IAA06377@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri There is more money in repairs than in doing some other glasswork. I charge by the hour, and find people are willing to pay what I think is exhorbitant repair costs since they have a sentimental attachment to the piece. I've also had people ask me to repair a special piece and make one identical for a friend. First, put a piece of paper over the panel and do a rubbing...like you did with pennies as a kid. This is will give you the basis for a pattern. Go over it with a sharpie to better define each piece. Next score each broken piece several times, knock it with the end of your cutter to shatter the broken piece further and remove with pliers. Sometimes you'll get lucky and can remove a whole section of broken pieces together. Then grip one end of the foil which remains soldered to the good pieces and melt the solder, pulling gently on the foil to remove it. Melt all remaining excess solder back to the foil of the good piece. Recut and foil all replacement pieces then solder the panel back together. I try and match the texture of the original soldering so it doesn't look "repaired". Repairs are a pain in the @#$%%, but they do generate good money. I usually put a few away in a corner until I have enough to make an afternoon of it when I'm not feeling creative. By doing repair work respectfully and carefully, mindful of the piece's significance to the owner, I've picked up a couple of commissions from these people. Like anything else, they get easier the more you do. Good luck, Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative > I've only done some minor repair work and hated it. Recently a >friend showed me a panel (copper foil) that she had that was badly >broken after being knocked out of a window. Out of mabye 30 pieces, I'd >say about half were broken. From my experience, I thought it'd be easier >to re-do the whole thing than to repair it. (I said, "NO WAY!" btw.) >This got me thinking though, is there an easy way to completely take >apart a panel? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 12:28:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: lamp heat/fish Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:02:05 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998May30.191254.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk what about a very small computer fan? they use almost no power, and some are very quiet. you'd want to either get an ac 120v fan which are larger, or if you have an old transformer from something (old portable radio or phone) that puts out the proper dc voltage, you could even use a cpu fan, which are only about 1" square. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 12:50:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: All new IGGA issues are up Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011619.MAA25504@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk What'd I do today? I finished uploading the most recent four issues of Common Ground: Glass. The 16th issue's up ... Spring'98 ... at: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cindex16.htm if you're interested. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 12:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199805311309.JAA25070@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Albert wrote: > > Note that gas > for our cars is heavily subsidized; in Europe, for example, it's > usually more than $5/gallon. Two weeks ago in Scotland it cost more > than $50 to fill a small car's tank. > > Besides, that 40 cents/year is for the most part returned to local > regional uses. subsidized? by whom? what corporation or government organization is being so beneficial to gas users in the US? and exactly how much of that $5/gallon in scotland went to the government in taxes rather than the producers? what is the real cost to the producers to supply that gallon of gas to the pump, and where is the extra money going? it may even be cheaper to produce a gallon of gas in scotland than for the US, taking into account the massive amounts of oil being pumped in the North Sea. having lived in Sweden for a while, I know that the price of gas is kept artifically high in europe by the governments in order to convince people to not drive, but to use other means of transportation (public or mechanical). regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 12:55:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.51354.0> References: <<199806011329.JAA18922@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk But Albert, What effect does the population make? How many more taxpayers do we have in this country as opposed to France? Maybe our 38 cents which adds up to 99.5 million is more than their $35 dollars add up. And is their dollar the same value as ours? And what do they do with their art money as opposed to what we do with ours? I had no idea of any of this, before the discussion started. I didn't even know what NEA stood for let alone what they did. Our country is founded on freedom, ie little censorship. How can you censor the arts? I was watching Bob Viola(is that right)and he was being taken on a tour of some beautiful home in another country. Sorry I was only half watching it, but it got my interest when she invited him to visit the grosteque room. And sure enough, it was a room full of beautufully made preverted art. Painting and statues. It had to be a couple of hundred years old. And now it is a well gaurded museum! I think trying to decide what can be censored, is like asking, "Where is the end of the universe, and when we find it, what is on the other side?" This discusssion had done one thing for me. I now know this country is actively involved in supporting the arts, and I am very impressed with what the NEA has done with very little money. I like the fact that it is helping to keep ballet and symponys(sorry to lazy to look it up) alive. It has just made me prouder to be an American. Albert Lewis wrote: > > > money is wasted on the NEA. How many of my dollars actually make it to > > the artist? > > On http://arts.endow.gov/ one reads that on May 22 (week before last) > they announced nearly $60 million in new grants for 1998, which are > only the *new grants. I'm still looking for info on the NEA's > efficiency, that is to say, the amount given to them by Congress and > the amount distributed. Of course, the total has been dramatically > reduced over the past couple of years: > > FY97 $ 99.5 million > FY96 $ 99.5 million > FY95 $162.3 million > > I did, however, find the comparison of what's being "stolen" out of > taxpayers' pockets, as you put it, compared with what's being spent > on the arts in other countries: > > "This year's $99.5 million appropriation reduced each American's > federal contribution to 38 cents, > less than the cost of a candy bar. Even when state and local > public funding is factored in, the contribution to the arts only > amounts to approximately $3.00 per person. Compare that to what > other countries contribute. The Federal Republic of Germany > spends nearly $40 per capita on the arts, and France about $35. > The United Kingdom, which has a dedicated national lottery to > subsidize the arts, spends about $17 per capita each year, and > Canada spends nearly $30. If you include everything the United > States government spends on both Endowments, the Institute for > Museum Services, the Smithsonian, National Gallery, and other > cultural institutions, we still spend less than $5 per person > each year. While I am mindful of the tradition of private giving > to the arts that America has enjoyed in the past, private givers > follow the lead of public support. The combination of the two > still does not equal the support that the arts enjoy in many > other developed nations." > > That from Jane Alexander's statement to the the United States Senate > Appropriations Committee, Washington, D.C., May 8, 1996. > > That's what I was saying the other day, that the U.S. trails the rest > of the world dramatically in its support for the arts. To recap and > make the point I was making the other day: > > $40.00 - Germany > $35.00 - France > $30.00 - Canada > $17.00 - UK > $00.38 - US (ouch!) > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- x>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 13:09:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: polishing question Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199805311602.JAA07595@ns2.vphos.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Hi everyone, > When working out the polish (kempro) in the edges of the glass to the foil I > use a qtip. Just wondering what you all use? It's a long job with qtips. > Smiles,Cindy the last time i went to the dentist, i asked him to save me a couple of his picks that he was throwing out. they work really well. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 13:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998May30.195047.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Gov't protects itself because it has become a corporation. Otherwise, > our senators/congressmen/presidents wouldn't campaign so hard for > re-election. It is criminal to have a monopoly in this county, yet that > is what our gov't is. it is NOT a crime in the US to have a monopoly. it is a crime to use that monoply to force other companies to do things (prices, go out of business, etc). ask intel or microsoft. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 13:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lambert glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011742.NAA29546@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > to make it fit into the other glass. Getting it to break required > more strength than with normal glass. But ooooooh how > lovely! Cost an arm & a leg too. Speaking of arms and legs and costs, I'm thinking of offering diamond glass cutters in the U.S., since I ran across a source in Europe. They're really expensive, but never, ever have to be replaced. They make cutting glass like Lamberts easy ... any other glass, as well ... since only a very little pressure causes the diamond to score the glass. Cummings Studios tried out the sample cutter I have and were enthusiastic. At $250 each, though, they'll have to be 10th anniversary gifts, no? One fellow I know has been using his for more than 40 years and it's as good as new. No dipping in kerosene or other lubricants, no wheels to wear out, no oil-feeds ... just cut, and cut, and cut. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 13:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: polishing question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199806011723.KAA09360@mail1.bctel.ca> Precedence: bulk Lee Valley Tools (Canadian company) sells really soft bristle plastic brushes, cheap, that work well. I've also used old soft toothbrushes. Shiela > Try using a very soft natural bristle baby brush. You might find this > just as effective and cutting short the Q-tip work... > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Cindy asked: > Hi everyone, > When working out the polish (kempro) in the edges of the glass to the foil I > use a qtip. Just wondering what you all use? It's a long job with qtips. > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 13:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: repair work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.10229.0> Precedence: bulk No, I use the strips in the joints shortwise. I don't leave the strips = of aluminum in the joints. As the solder re-solidifies around the strip = I melt the solder and move the strip along. What ever has become = separated behind the strip stays that way. Some pieces are so tight that = there would be no room to leave the strips in.=20 Linda Linda sez: > I use thin strips of aluminum cut from soda cans to get > the remaining foil and lead. [...] Working them between > the foil behind the hot iron, keeps the solder from > fusing back together [...] sparks asks: I ran across that one in a book recently. Don't remember exactly where, = but I can also say from experience that it does work. Do I guess right from the narrowness of the strips that you're working = the strips into the joints long-ways, so that by the time you're done, the unsoldered piece looks like it's partly "wrapped" in aluminum? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 14:00:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: repair work Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:17:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199806012049.QAA08531@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > There is more money in repairs than in doing some other glasswork. I charge > by the hour, and find people are willing to pay what I think is exhorbitant > repair costs since they have a sentimental attachment to the piece. If you don't mind my two cents worth, the price isn't exhorbitant if the client is willing to pay it, but more so if you take your time and expertise into account. Restoration/repair are indeed very lucrative, especially if you're as caring and thoughtful as you say, Carol. But you shouldn't feel guilty about charging what it's worth, since there's at least twice as much work involved: first you have to take it apart, then you have to put it back together. > First, put a piece of paper over the panel and do a rubbing In restoration, this is not just standard operating procedure, it's really necessary, since the rubbing serves as your "road map" to getting the panel back together. You should also take photos of the panel front and back in both transmitted and reflected light. I've seen windows that have had the wrong sections installed or some sections installed backwards. Photos would have solved the "now where does *this go?" problem. > Next score each broken piece several times, knock it with the end of your > cutter to shatter the broken piece further and remove with pliers. > Sometimes you'll get lucky and can remove a whole section of broken pieces > together. Ideally, restorers should never discard original glass. It'll take more work (and add to the cost of the job, yes) to remove a broken piece, edge glue it with Hxtal or equivalent, and replace it, but the fact that it's original to the work is also important. In line with that, you should never groze away edges of original glass if you've mis-built the window and it's "grown." Best to re-build it correctly or avoid "growth" by rebuilding very carefully. > By doing repair work respectfully and > carefully, mindful of the piece's significance to the owner, I've picked up > a couple of commissions from these people. Not only the piece's significance to the owner, but respect for the original artist's intentions and work are also something to keep in mind. I applaud your attitude and warmly second your advice. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 14:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Supplier for Marbles Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.122235.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I need a good, reliable wholesale supply of various sizes of marbles. These do not have to be hand-made art glass marbles; just nice marbles of various sizes. I see that Warner-Crivellaro offers 25mm marbles in various beautiful shades. But I would like to also have some larger and some smaller sizes to choose from. Anyone have any suggestions? Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 14:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: I made it into Wholesale! Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.122239.0> Precedence: bulk For those who wanted to be kept informed, I just got word that I got juried into the June 13-15 Market Square Traditional Wholesale Show in Valley Forge, PA. Now comes the fun part...prep for the show! Yikes! I'll keep bungi posted on how my first wholesale show goes. Life sure is interesting! Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 14:58:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199806012131.RAA10533@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > What effect does the population make? None, really, since what's being compared is the amount each citizen is asked to contribute toward support of the arts. > How many more taxpayers do we > have in this country as opposed to France? Maybe our 38 cents which > adds up to 99.5 million is more than their $35 dollars add up. Yes, I think our population is larger ... and the total spent in the U.S. on the arts may at 38 cents apiece per year be more than the total spent in France, for example. It's still embarrassing to me that the U.S. values the arts so little in comparison with other developed nations, if the per-capita contribution is so little. > And is > their dollar the same value as ours? The comparisons are being made dollar for dollar. Naturally, the French are taxed and pay their bills (and support the arts) in Francs, not dollars. > And what do they do with their art > money as opposed to what we do with ours? Pretty much the same, except the French are very nationalistic and so I suspect nothing that includes English language in the artwork would be supported. > I had no idea of any of this, before the discussion started. I didn't > even know what NEA stood for let alone what they did. Yes, I'm learning things, too. > This discusssion had done one thing for me. I now know this country is > actively involved in supporting the arts, and I am very impressed with > what the NEA has done with very little money. I agree they've done a fantastic job, but imagine what could happen for all of us (and how much more interesting and alive this country would be) if the NEA didn't have to spend so much of its time defending itself for doing what they've been asked to do, apart from what I would agree have been a couple of mistakes. Heck, we *all make mistakes. Let's let them know what we're unhappy with and encourage them in the ways each of us would like to see them go, then stand back and let them do it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 15:10:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lambert glass Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <199806012039.QAA15763@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > glass. Cummings Studios tried out the sample cutter I have and were > enthusiastic. At $250 each, though, they'll have to be 10th > anniversary gifts, no? Is it a wheel? Pure diamond, or coated steel? Or is it a scribe? Sounds interesting. But $250 is a lot of money. And of course it would probably still break if dropped. Diamond is hard but brittle. -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 15:27:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199806012131.RAA10530@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > subsidized? by whom? what corporation or government organization is being so > beneficial to gas users in the US? Your tax dollars at work, keeping the oil companies healthy, I guess: "Low oil prices and rising oil imports have caused growing concern about U.S. vulnerability to oil-supply shocks. Mine K. Yucel and Carol Dahl devise a measure of vulnerability and use it to compare three policies that have been proposed to reduce U.S. vulnerability to oil-supply disruptions: a 25-percent oil-import tariff, a $5-per-barrel subsidy to domestic oil producers, and an increase in the gasoline tax from 9 cents to 25 cents per gallon." Excerpted from http://www.dallasfed.org/publications/er/ertext/er9005.html for example. > and exactly how much of that $5/gallon in scotland went to the government in > taxes rather than the producers? Etc. Charles, you can look this stuff up as easily as I can. Try http://www.altavista.digital.com/ and use as your search phrase: +gasoline +subsidy +"United States" > having lived in Sweden for a while, I know that the price of gas is kept > artifically high in europe by the governments in order to convince people to > not drive, but to use other means of transportation (public or mechanical). I'm sure that that's part of the reason for the higher prices, but Swedes (and Germans and apparently Scots, too) aren't attached to their automobiles by umbilical cords like most Americans. As you say, and you're right, we threw away most of our interurban and long line transportation systems in favor of the automobile a few years ago. Personally, as one of the last uniformed brakemen on the El Cap and Superchief between Albuquerque and Needles years ago (and as someone who remembers the streetcars in Bakersfield, CA), I wish we had'em back. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 15:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199806012140.RAA10862@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > ask intel or microsoft. Ask them what? Were they found guilty of something and I missed it? Charges have been made (by the government) and politicians have spouted off, a court date has been set, if I remember rightly, but so far as I know nobody's been convicted of anything. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199806012140.RAA10867@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > it is NOT a crime in the US to have a monopoly. it is a crime to use that > monoply to force other companies to do things (prices, go out of business, > etc). Charles, if it's not illegal to have a monopoly (and it is - see below), and you did have one, how could you help but force other companies to do things? It'd be impossible to avoid it, unless you just kept all of whatever you're monopolizing in a warehouse and never, ever sold it. The Sherman Antitrust Act: US Code, Title 15, Ch. 1, Sections 1 - 7 Section 2 - "Monopolizing trade a felony; penalty" "Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony ..." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:05:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lamp heat/fish Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.133242.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > what about a very small computer fan? they use almost no power, and some are > very quiet. > > you'd want to either get an ac 120v fan which are larger, or if you have an > old transformer from something (old portable radio or phone) that puts out the > proper dc voltage, you could even use a cpu fan, which are only about 1" > square. > > charlie > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Customer Assistance Center > Stratus Computer, Inc. > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hmmm, that's an idea i'll look into, i wonder how much of a shadow it'll bring. since one of the bulbs would probably be below it. also i wonder how the touch switch would effect it. i'm pretty sure that a plain dimmer works on them. but a touch switch...hmmm... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lambert glass Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.133627.0> References: <<199806011742.NAA29546@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > to make it fit into the other glass. Getting it to break required > > more strength than with normal glass. But ooooooh how > > lovely! Cost an arm & a leg too. > > Speaking of arms and legs and costs, I'm thinking of offering diamond > glass cutters in the U.S., since I ran across a source in Europe. > They're really expensive, but never, ever have to be replaced. They > make cutting glass like Lamberts easy ... any other glass, as well > ... since only a very little pressure causes the diamond to score the > glass. Cummings Studios tried out the sample cutter I have and were > enthusiastic. At $250 each, though, they'll have to be 10th > anniversary gifts, no? > > One fellow I know has been using his for more than 40 years and it's > as good as new. No dipping in kerosene or other lubricants, no wheels > to wear out, no oil-feeds ... just cut, and cut, and cut. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass problem with diamond cutter's is that if you drop them, they never work right again. also you can't see the diaomd head, whcih makes it harder to see what your cutting. but for that kind of money i hope they fixed that. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Supplier for Marbles Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.134548.0> References: <<1998Jun1.122235.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: > > Hi all. > > I need a good, reliable wholesale supply of > various sizes of marbles. These do not have > to be hand-made art glass marbles; just > nice marbles of various sizes. I see that > Warner-Crivellaro offers 25mm marbles in > various beautiful shades. But I would like > to also have some larger and some smaller > sizes to choose from. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles > 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't know of a company, but maybe a few leads: plant stores use them as a fill sometimes, but there not very round, but they do come in random odd sizes. ans maybe a game store would have them. there are after all, marbles. also look under chinese checkers, that's where i get my marble supply from, from street vendor people at fairs... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Stnglsgrn From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:45:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun1.224518.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-05-31 20:35:05 EDT, you write: << What IS the percentage of NEA funding to the states? And how is it determined? Even more interesting, how much do various states contribute from the state level? You know, the more we've discussed this, the more I realize I don't know enough FACTS. When we started this debate, per capita NEA spending was $1.21. Our friend = from Scotland informs us that we're down to forty cents! Well, that's a mighty big drop. Let's aim for some some truth here. And, then look at the picture. Might give us a third view. >> Sorry about the double post hit the wrong button As of now the NEA only gives grants to Non-Profit and state groups. No more individual grants Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 16:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:10:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199806012140.RAA10867@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > it is NOT a crime in the US to have a monopoly. it is a crime to use that > monoply to force other companies to do things (prices, go out of business, > etc). > > Charles, if it's not illegal to have a monopoly (and it is - see > below), and you did have one, how could you help but force other > companies to do things? It'd be impossible to avoid it, unless you > just kept all of whatever you're monopolizing in a warehouse and > never, ever sold it. > > The Sherman Antitrust Act: > US Code, Title 15, Ch. 1, Sections 1 - 7 > > Section 2 - "Monopolizing trade a felony; penalty" > "Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or > combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize > any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with > foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony ..." > how many power companies do you have in your area that you can chose to service your house? how about water? how about garbage collectors? legal monopolies? --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 17:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iname.com!alpas From: "-" To: "Stained Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Polymer Tech Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.0293.0> Precedence: bulk No, that is not what I called polymer technique. Probably it is acrylic. It is possible to make nice works that way (it almost fooled you, didnt it?) but it seems very plastic. I specialy like some works I saw that have twisted wire inside the acrylic, making the design. However it is easily scratched, and the colors beguin to fade after 1 year or so. The transparent acrylic becomes yellow with age, the pigments only survive if there is no sun at all, but even the air oxidation affects it. The method I use is different. It is not acrylic. It might be some cousin of Araldix glue, u know? those 2 tubes that u must mix together, then become hard like steel ? It is liquid so I can only make flat designs, no espherical surfaces allowed. Also there must be a base. The final product has the base and the colored layer over it sticked so hardly that even if the glass base breaks, it will not fall down. The base can be acrylic or other plastic, polycarbonate, glass, etc I only use glass, usually hammered... sorry I dont know the name in English.. we call it "hammered" - one of the faces has a 3D pattern. Sometimes I use frosted glass, when there are lamps behind to be softned. I also use wired, laminated or annealed glass, single or double. Nice effects can be obtained with mirror or semi-mirror bases. Polycarbonate is expensive but very strong, unbrakeable, cristaline, light weight. It is good for ceilings to avoid damage to people bellow, in case of accident. Luis Sousa alpas@iname.com UIN 3410031 Gerard said: when i went shopping last friday i saw a "Tiffany" lampshade in a shop and i nearly died of shock when i saw the price tag. $AU30.00 (that's $18 US dollars) including the base. we pay that much wholesale for the base alone. So i had a closer look and it almost fooled me. it looks very much like stained glass (almost like Kokomo wispy) and it's only after tapping on the panel that i realized it is made of plastic !!! separate pieces with a black line in between. The whole seems cast on a form, the colours are inside the plastic sheet. i think that's what you would refer to as polymer technology. not like some other shades i have seen made of window glass, foiled and soldered then painted inside to look like art glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 17:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------00CCB0146F06DEF4C8754742" Subject: Re: Christie and wholesale Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:52:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.85244.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------00CCB0146F06DEF4C8754742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great, Super, Fabulous! Enjoy the experience and have fun! I just put some of my stepping stones in a gallery on the Pacific Coast and for me just the thought of details, details, details was such fun. Nerve racking, but fun none the less. And by the way to everyone, thanks for the info on Lamberts glass. This will be my quest for the week, getting my hands on some before I have a break down of sorts! Far be it for me to ignore good advice. You all have given me the "who cares how much it is" mindset, thank you very much. And Albert, I'm sorry but I really had to laugh when I read the feedback on Sing Sing convicts. I thought it was great that they do have something constructive to do and you most graciously sent them a book. But after the Judith conversation I just felt that it was so appropriate that the issue of Sing Sing would come up. Set my mind a rolling with the what if's. --------------00CCB0146F06DEF4C8754742 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------00CCB0146F06DEF4C8754742-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 17:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: gov't subsidies Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 15:52:04 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199806012131.RAA10530@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: >> subsidized? by whom? what corporation or government organization is being so >> beneficial to gas users in the US? > > Your tax dollars at work, keeping the oil companies healthy, I guess: > > "Low oil prices and rising oil imports have caused growing > concern about U.S. vulnerability to oil-supply shocks. Mine > K. Yucel and Carol Dahl devise a measure of vulnerability and > use it to compare three policies that have been proposed to > reduce U.S. vulnerability to oil-supply disruptions: a > 25-percent oil-import tariff, a $5-per-barrel subsidy to > domestic oil producers, and an increase in the gasoline tax > from 9 cents to 25 cents per gallon." > Excerpted from > for example. specious argument. it says proposed, not enacted. how about http://www.oerb.com/Pg139-149.html, which states that gov't subsidy would be required to be enacted in order to promote alternative fuels, otherwise people would purchase cheap gas instead. this implies there is no direct subsidy, or it is too low (in the author's view). >> and exactly how much of that $5/gallon in scotland went to the government in >> taxes rather than the producers? Etc. > Charles, you can look this stuff up as easily as I can. Try > and use as your search phrase: > +gasoline +subsidy +"United States" in scotland. > I'm sure that that's part of the reason for the higher prices, but > Swedes (and Germans and apparently Scots, too) aren't attached to > their automobiles by umbilical cords like most Americans. while true, what has that got to do with subsidies, gov't or otherwise? if their gov'ts decreased their taxes on petroleum products, would they then become attached? or are they forced into not using as much by their gov't policies rather than free market principles? i'll grant that the us oil industry does get benefits from the us gov't, what with oil leases, exploration tax deductions, lower taxes than other businesses, etc, that could be seen as a subsidy. however, most other, especially european, oil companies, if not directly owned by their national governments, are also subsidized to no small degree. however, i the us, tax code is a political tool rather than having to be fair, and it would be hard to name some industries that are completely free of this type of subsidy. regards, charlie 'lies, more lies, and damned statistics' mark twain (i believe) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 17:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:tuka@bc.sympatico.ca" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lee Valley/Arts/Lurking Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.153736.0> Precedence: bulk Lee Valley Tools is a great company, and I noticed recently that they sell = molds for stepping stones for I think $6.95 - how does that compare to the molds for glass mosaic stones? Now, if I could only get them to ship me earth magnets.... sigh. Best regards, Dani Greer (who is fast going into lurker mode but will watch the NEA debate closely, because the jury's still out with this gal. I'm not so old and jaded that I don't think minds can be changed.... including mine. Be ye kind to one another!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 17:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.15435.0> References: <<199806011329.JAA18912@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert, It's all in how you look at it. I don't think the government should be involved in probably 90% of the stuff they poke their noses into. Even causes that I would otherwise consider worthy, if for no other reason than that they are bound to be so wasteful in their execution as to render the effort counter-productive. There are surely a few important functions that government must perform. They must defend our shores so that we are free to pursue our art, or whatever (which I am sure could be done much more efficiently, { I don't think government EVER does things efficiently}, but how do you farm this kind of work out?) ....Beyond that I'm not sure what we need them for. Even interstate highways could be built as toll roads, probably more cost efficiently than the gov't does it. It's not just art funding, and it's not so odd. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:58:24 +0000 "Albert Lewis" writes: > >> I think the point is not what 40 cents means to me, but rather how all those 200 million 40 cents"es" could be better spent to help those in real need. > >You know, I was thinking this weekend about how amazing it is that >some people involved in the arts are actually against support for the >arts. Rather than cut death-dealing programs, though, some people in >the arts seem to be more in favor of cutting life-enhancing programs. > >I find that singularly odd. > >Albert _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 18:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: I made it into Wholesale! Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 20:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: <199806020016.UAA17431@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >For those who wanted to be kept informed, >I just got word that I got juried into the >June 13-15 Market Square Traditional Wholesale >Show in Valley Forge, PA. Now comes the >fun part...prep for the show! Yikes! Congrats, Christie! Where is it in Valley Forge? I'll try to get over. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 18:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R Terry" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: article Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:42:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.104247.0> Precedence: bulk I nearly fell off my chair when I saw my article "on the web", wow thanks. Doug Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) What'd I do today? I finished uploading the most recent four issues of Common Ground: Glass. The 16th issue's up ... Spring'98 ... at: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cindex16.htm if you're interested. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 19:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: yo guys Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.162031.0> References: <<1998May30.95735.0>> Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Maybe we need an NEPI (National Endowment for the Plumbing Impaired). Hey Dani, I will apply with you if you think we can funded. Zane Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Just remember, gang, within every > giant mind is a pea-brain! Right now > I'm trying to replace the blasted flapper > in my toilet tank. So much for inspiration > and brilliant ideas! ;-0 I've come to the > conclusion that the inside of an old > toilet tank is more disgusting even > than... well, some art I've seen. = > > Best, > > Dani Greer > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 19:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hammered Colbalt blue glass Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.105811.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk It needs to be on the dark side of colbalt blue. And the hammering(?) needs to be small. I want to makes wings with it. Does anyone know of a company that manufactures something like this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 19:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Schaechter perversions Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.114512.0> Precedence: bulk [*Glenn*] sorry if you got this twice Albert [*Glenn*] > These are some of the quotes from Judith Schaechter > "I don't have too many worthy and profound ideas.............. I certainly > have never heard a philosophy or intellectual concept so compelling that it > merited illustration........... My main interests are sex and death, with > romance and violence the obvious runners up" Albert Sounds modest and, ahem, patently American to me as far as her interests go, if the tabloids at the supermarket checkout are any guide to the American psyche. She sounds both brave and honest. [*Glenn*] That sounds somewhat frightening Albert, this person is obsessed with the combination of sex and violence and you say that this person is * patently (obviously) American*. Not just tolerance but support and accolades. (pj said "She would have the audience in tears from laughter.) I don't really care how funny Hitler could be about his death camps and life experiences, I certainly would not give him any recognition for it, he didn't/doesn't deserve any recognition nor do I feel does she, they are both twisted, the only difference is that Hitler acted on his perversions. (pj said "She found a gimmick and it worked for her.......And her work sells like hotcakes.) So recognizing art has been reduced to gimmicks and sales, that makes me sad. I doubt whether Piccaso, whose Geurnica portrayed his own distaste at the horrors of wars and not his intrigue and fascination with it, would find her beliefs worthy. (pj said "So talk about being at the right place at the right time.") So was Hitler (or any number of other twisted people), but that does not make it right. I have a great appreciation for a very wide range of art and don't have to like it to appreciate that it has value to society but I wonder why anyone would want to endorse this *artist* despite any technical ability she may possess. Her entire artist statement is full of banalities, negativity's, superficialities, indifference, and disrespect for humanity, and I find her "I think I'm a fairly normal human specimen." to be an affront to all that is normal and human, and I am astounded that all this can be put aside to say (Pamela said "I felt her work was fabulous. I think it's in a matter of how each individual responds to certain works. Her work is controversial but eye catching and stimulating to me. Maybe it's not for everyone but my visual response to her work was positive.") . Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 19:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lambert glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199806020245.WAA26224@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Is it a wheel? Pure diamond, or coated steel? Or is it a scribe? > > Sounds interesting. But $250 is a lot of money. And of course it would > probably still break if dropped. Diamond is hard but brittle. Pure diamond set in a steel head. I've put a picture up on the web at http://www.aiap.com/cutter.htm The "eyes" you see are merely markers. If you're right-handed, they're to face you when you're cutting so the diamond's properly aligned. But yes, if you drop it, there's a chance you'd break it if it falls on the diamond. A slim chance, but certainly a chance. Don't do that, as Rodney Dangerfield's doctor advised him. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 20:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lambert glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199806020245.WAA26201@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > problem with diamond cutter's is that if you drop them, they never work > right again. also you can't see the diaomd head, whcih makes it harder > to see what your cutting. but for that kind of money i hope they fixed > that. Yes, I had the same problem with my watch. I dropped it and it's never worked the same again. The cutter, though, comes with a nice little pouch to keep it safe. In practice and use, one would probably put a pencil clip on it so it clips to one's pocket. The diamond head's quite readily visible, though. It juts up about 1/16" inch. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 20:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199806020245.WAA26229@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > It's all in how you look at it. I don't think the government should be > involved in probably 90% of the stuff they poke their noses into. Oh, I thought it was just the arts you were against. If it's the entire government and the nation's infrastructure you want to disassemble, that's a whole 'nuther ball o' yarn. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 20:30:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:09:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199806020245.WAA26220@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > how many power companies do you have in your area that you can chose to > service your house? how about water? how about garbage collectors? Charles, Actually, we can choose from several power companies. Water is city-supplied, although I guess we could drill a well. Not worth the expense and bother; the water's very, very good here. Garbage? Well, we could choose from several haulers, although I just take ours to the dump. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 21:27:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: nettiquete Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:20:46 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.232046.0> Precedence: bulk is it acceptable to send pictures to bungi list ? Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 21:39:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Polishing Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:03:06 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.2336.0> Precedence: bulk There used to be a polishing brush in our catalogue but it's no longer available due to cost. it fits into a normal electric drill. see you local hardware store. when polishing window panels i use a floor polisher (very old second hand job from salvation army) it has 2 rotating brushes. i sprinkle whitting on the panel and run the polisher on it, moving it around. it's a bit messy and dusty but does the job perfectly. i then rub some black stove polish on the lead and run the polisher again with the softer set of brushes to get that very dark black finish. then you can see yourself in the lead. Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 22:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: repair work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199806020332.UAA08365@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Good idea to photograph the piece if it's significant. Albert, thanks for the tip. And yes, I would agree that destroying glass in an old piece isn't a good idea...and I wouldn't do it. However, what I mostly get is small to medium size repairs, not restorations. Pieces that have been dropped, or cracked in moving, etc. etc. and I'm replacing glass with glass that is still in production. These pieces are important to the owner for sentimental reasons, and by listening to the owner tell about the piece's history (even if it is just a parrot with a busted tail and wing) I get a real feel for the owner and for the piece. For me this makes all the difference between a boring distasteful task and something that's adding value to the client's life. By the way, for the Aussies in the group, what type of solder do you typically use. Above said parrot was made in Australia and migrated to Canada in a suitcase years ago. I was trying to mimic the original artist's solder technique and I couldn't get any of the solder I had to co-operate (tried 3 brands of 60/40 and also some 50/50). Cheers Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 22:59:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: harlquin@mpx.com.au, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: nettiquete Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:57:37 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun2.45737.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-02 00:28:36 EDT, harlquin@mpx.com.au writes: << is it acceptable to send pictures to bungi list ? Harlequin Leadlight Home page >> Please, no, no, no, no no!!! It will not arrive as photos. Comes out as total gibberish and you will tick off innumerable people since it takes forever to download onto some systems!!! And I do believe it has frozen up a few systems as well. You definitely won't win friends here by doing that and it's pointless since we can't see them anyway. And thank you very much for asking first! If you'd like, you could always offer to send it as a file attachment to those who might be interested in seeing them. And those who want to receive them will email you for them. I, for one, would like to see them, so feel free to email them to me if you feel like doing so! Susie :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 1 23:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PUZZYKATZ From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fluke or Fact? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:24:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun2.52450.0> Precedence: bulk Dear group I was wandering if anyone had ever had a piece of glass burst into pieces from the heat of the sun.. Sometimes I set glass in the morning sun windows during the early stages of the creative process.. This particle square was an iradecant sky blue with a cloud like effect ( one I had such plans for ) and at around 11am (80* outside) it burst into pieces right in front of my eyes as i was admiring it... Has this ever happenend to anyone else and could it happen in a finshed panel Sincerely Suzan White >^,,^< PuzzyKatz@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 00:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Toby Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:11:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.01138.0> References: <<199805311151.MAA12593@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk In message <199805311151.MAA12593@saturn.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes ........... ......... ...... > In the football scenario, the "fans" are expected to go on a rampage >and international police resources are employed at great (tax-payers' >expense) to monitor and control the situation. Maybe it's time for >the "Arts Fan" to become more vociferous. We know all about >beer-swilling football "yobs" Over Here. The rebel in me is beginning >to become "tickled" by the idea of "wine-swilling Arts Yobs" (yeah! >home-brew too! I'm not fussy!!) going on a rampage to draw more >attention to the Arts, perhaps to engage and employ a little bit more >funding and attention.International Police Forces out in strength, >MI5, Interpol, FBI ... here we come!!! Chain me to the railings! > Great idea! Where shall we congregate? Time and place? -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 00:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Hammered Colbalt blue glass Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:20:15, -0500 Message-ID: <199806020720.DAA14006@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Shirley B. writes: >>It needs to be on the dark side of colbalt blue. And the hammering(?) needs to be small. I want to makes wings with it. Does anyone know of a company that manufactures something like this? << Yes, I do but I do not ship. So I will share the knowledge of how to make your own with you. Please keep this a secret. :-) Every once in a while I am in need of a certain color in a certain texture often times for a repair. For a one off I take a glass with the desired texture, spray the textured side with a release agent like Pam and impress in wet whiting paste on the kiln shelf. When dry I simply place a piece of the colored glass I want textured on the whiting mold and bring the kiln to about 1400'F. When cool out comes the desired piece. The above is good for one time use only but is cheap and easy to make. Bob Ps: Do not let the NEA get wind of this or I may be in receipt of undesirable money. ;-( You can guess who I will forward it to. :-) ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 01:59:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, PUZZYKATZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Fluke or Fact? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:17:35, -0500 Message-ID: <199806020817.EAA17112@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I was wandering if anyone had ever had a piece of glass burst into pieces from the heat of the sun.. Sometimes I set glass in the morning sun windows during the early stages of the creative process.. This particle square was an iradecant sky blue with a cloud like effect ( one I had such plans for ) and at around 11am (80* outside) it burst into pieces right in front of my eyes as i was admiring it... Has this ever happenend to anyone else and could it happen in a finshed panel Sincerely Suzan White >^,,^< << Have had it happen to a piece(s) of glass that had not been properly annealed. If this is the case you can perform a post mortum to prove it. Carefully reassemble the glass pieces. If there is the slightest misalignment of the pieces then the glass was not properly annealed. By misalignment I mean that the two pieces of a long crack do not perfectly close. One end of the crack may be *open* by a mm or so. This is my proof of annealing stress that has been relieved by cracking. I have received several sheets of antique glass from a European manufacturer that zipped when trying to cut them. There was a pinging sound and about 3mm of opening across a full sheet. Most antique glass is well annealed and cuts very well. Bob Ps: I have heard that some irradiscent glass is coated with a slightly incompatible coating. Forget the manufacturer but it was not Spectrum who makes a glass such as you describe. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 03:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fluke or Fact? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:08:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199806021040.GAA11524@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Have had it happen to a piece(s) of glass that had not been properly > annealed. If this is the case you can perform a post mortum to prove > it. Carefully reassemble the glass pieces. If there is the slightest > misalignment of the pieces then the glass was not properly annealed. One might also look very carefully to see if there's a "stone," a tiny fleck of material along the break somewhere. That'll do the same thing. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 04:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:03:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: repair work Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:08:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199806021040.GAA11519@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: repair work > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:32:20 -0700 > Good idea to photograph the piece if it's significant. Albert, thanks for > the tip. And yes, I would agree that destroying glass in an old piece isn't > a good idea...and I wouldn't do it. Even fussy old me will admit that there's insignificant existing work, as well as significant. But it's a dangerous decision to make, since in the 50s, for example, Tiffany was considered insignificant. Lamps were being tossed on trash heaps ... which doesn't mean we'll always be able to convince our clients that their glass is/might be significant. > These pieces are important to the owner for sentimental reasons, > ... For me this makes all the difference between a boring > distasteful task and something that's adding value to the client's life. Absolutely. I've certainly seen churches with perfectly dreadful windows, no saving grace at all, if you excuse the pun. But the congregations love them and the windows have personal meaning to them, so the windows should be treated with as much respect and given as much further longevity as possible, IMHO. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 05:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: webring? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:43:26 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.54326.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca To: Gerard Date: Tuesday, 2 June 1998 03:24 Subject: Re: icq members ? What's a webring? Shiela hi Shiela a Webring is the electronic equivalent of a shopping arcade. if you have a web page you put a little panel on it with the ring name/contacts etc.. and it has buttons for the next/previous sites in the ring www.webring.org has 1000's of rings on every subject some with 100's of sites registered. i just started one today it's called the Leadlight Ring (of course) and if you have a web page you can join at www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring-join.htlm if you don't have a page yet why not start one today ! it's free for life. it's fun ! it's available from www.freeyellow.com they offer 5 pages free and up to 2Mb of pictures etc.. they have also an html editor for beginner if you don't feel too confident. Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 05:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: leadlight webring Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:20 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.71720.0> Precedence: bulk the leadlight webring is now operational (i hope) let me know if you find any problem registration at http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/submit.html remember you need to have a web page before you join for more info about webring see www.webring.org Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 07:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: article Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.54952.0> Precedence: bulk Doug,=20 I felt the same way when I saw my article on the web - same page. Albert = does a nice job. The photo of my scope looks much better than when I = sent it to him. I like your article about stressmeters. I often check = out Science and Surplus but never know what some of the stuff can be = used for. Thanks. Linda On the perimeter of the Great Dismal Swamp ---------- Douglas R Terry[SMTP:dterry@oregontrail.net] said: I nearly fell off my chair when I saw my article "on the web", wow = thanks. Doug Terry (From the Alps of Oregon) What'd I do today? I finished uploading the most recent four issues of=20 Common Ground: Glass. The 16th issue's up ... Spring'98 ... at: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cindex16.htm if you're interested. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 07:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: Bungi , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Supplier for Marbles Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.6137.0> Precedence: bulk Around here, Everything is $1.00 and DollarTrees carry marbles most of = the time. And of course they are only $1.00 a bag. I disremember seeing a suppier of assorted sized marbles on the web = somewhere but you had to buy large numbers of one color to get a price = break. sorry I din't save the address. And then there's..... for more serious marbles: http://www.anaserve.com/~marbles/jfineL.htm http://www.runningrabbit.com/contemp.html http://www.runningrabbit.com/contemp.html Linda I need a good, reliable wholesale supply of various sizes of marbles. These do not have to be hand-made art glass marbles; just nice marbles of various sizes. I see that Warner-Crivellaro offers 25mm marbles in various beautiful shades. But I would like to also have some larger and some smaller sizes to choose from. Anyone have any suggestions? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 08:14:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: Bungi , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Supplier for Marbles Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.6143.0> Precedence: bulk Opps, I found the wholesale source: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guidev.htm And you can see price and pics at: http://www.igateway.com/mall/pets/wenzel/aquar01/bcov005.htm Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 08:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:03:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199806021535.LAA21261@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > Actually, we can choose from several power companies. > Where do you live Albert? Western Massachusetts, Glenna. The multiplicity of power companies is a relatively new development, I might note. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 08:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: article Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:03:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199806021535.LAA21266@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Linda and Doug, it's you two to whom all of us should be grateful for sharing your ideas, discoveries and thoughts. I'm merely a facilitator, if you will, spreading the info as widely and as accessibly as I can. Thanks go to you and the other contributors. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 08:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hammered Colbalt blue glass Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.7524.0> References: <<1998Jun1.105811.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > It needs to be on the dark side of colbalt blue. And the hammering(?) > needs to be small. I want to makes wings with it. > Does anyone know of a company that manufactures something like this? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass wissmach or armstrong hammered, pops into mind, i think they make a small version of their hammered. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 09:14:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Gerard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nettiquete Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.7850.0> References: <<1998Jun2.232046.0>> Precedence: bulk Gerard wrote: > > is it acceptable to send pictures to bungi list ? > Harlequin Leadlight Home page > http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html > http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass as far as i know it is not. in fact it's usally stripped off. and if it is'nt it may be ruined... in either case you'll be flamed... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 09:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fluke or Fact? Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.71336.0> References: <<1998Jun2.52450.0>> Precedence: bulk PUZZYKATZ@aol.com wrote: > > Dear group > > I was wandering if anyone had ever had a piece of glass burst into pieces from > the heat of the sun.. Sometimes I set glass in the morning sun windows during > the early stages of the creative process.. This particle square was an > iradecant sky blue with a cloud like effect ( one I had such plans for ) and > at around 11am (80* outside) it burst into pieces right in front of my eyes as > i was admiring it... > Has this ever happenend to anyone else and could it happen in a finshed panel > > > Sincerely > > Suzan White >^,,^< > PuzzyKatz@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass who makes the glass? most likly it was a fluke. did it break anywhere, or did it mainly break where the colors met? if it broke where the colors met, then it was one color expanding faster then the other. it's just as well it broke while still in sheet form. it could have broke after building the project. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 09:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Supplier for Marbles Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun2.12012.0> References: <<1998Jun1.122235.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie: Marbles should be relatively easy to get at Pier Import stores or Walmart stores. I have seen them at both. In Walmart, the marbles are with the dried flowers and vases section. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 09:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4EE411E87BABC4C11E60B607" Subject: Re: Webrings Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:40:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.14010.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4EE411E87BABC4C11E60B607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gerard, just read your webring info. I'll join yours if you join mine, how's that? Mine is at http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Have had some recent joiners and if you get 5 your advertised in ringworld, that's the best. It's a good deal because it is free advertising and I sure need that. I like your webring logo, good job. HTML is hard at first but once you get the hang of it it's kinda fun. Also about your pictures that you wanted to send by e-mail, you can send them my way too if you want. I'm always interested. Sincerely Pam --------------4EE411E87BABC4C11E60B607 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------4EE411E87BABC4C11E60B607-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 09:52:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hammered Colbalt blue glass Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806021547.IAA02917@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Gee, Bob, I sure like that idea! Secret is safe with me. Cindy >Every once in a while I am in need of a certain color in a certain >texture often times for a repair. For a one off I take a glass with >the desired texture, spray the textured side with a release agent >like Pam and impress in wet whiting paste on the kiln shelf. When dry >I simply place a piece of the colored glass I want textured on the >whiting mold and bring the kiln to about 1400'F. When cool out comes >the desired piece. > >The above is good for one time use only but is cheap and easy to make. > Bob > >Ps: Do not let the NEA get wind of this or I may be in receipt of >undesirable money. ;-( You can guess who I will forward it to. :-) > >____ >Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 >*She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 10:32:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: idt.net!katz9 From: Katharine Masse To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subscription Cancellation Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:43:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.24346.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove us from your list... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 11:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: DEAN.MED.UFL.EDU!cmccall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thistles Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:46:11 EST5EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine Precedence: bulk I was wondering if someone could help me with a thistle pattern. Perhaps one of our Scottish members... I used to live in Scotland in the early 80's and have collected thistle pottery and the like since then. It was a lovely place to live and I have many fond memories from there... I'd like to use the pattern for a stepping stone and possibly for a suncatcher later. I'd be very appreciative if someone could help. Thanks in advance, Candice McCall Gainesville, Florida ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 11:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PUZZYKATZ From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fluke or Fact? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:00:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun2.1802.0> Precedence: bulk Kokomo How strange, after fitting the pieces back together, they dont fit quite right. The center seems to be at what looked to be a small air pocket. During the process of making glass is there some sort of combustable gas that could have been trapped inside? The glass is all the same thickness.. Suzan >^,,^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 12:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.111959.0> Precedence: bulk The NEA has made more than a couple = of mistakes. If I had pulled a few stunts like they have, I'd have been out of business a long time ago. I've heard that argument from hundreds of NEA supporters. It doesn't impress me. It's a weak argument.. It just serves to polarize the camps - intelligent people who could be pooling their brain- power to objectively look at the problems and solve them. In short, to come up with a better plan. To tell me I don't support the arts because I don't support the NEA is a lie. I support the arts by having the guts = to make a living at it twelve hours a day seven days a week. I support the arts by donating about $20,000 a year in work to other non-profit fundraisers who rely on auctions to fund their functions. About 20% of that dollar amount is out-of-pocker material cost, the rest a labor estimate = based on what another studio would charge to replace it. I support the arts by giving = every bit of knowledge and understanding I have about it to anyone who asks at any moment in the hopes that one other = person will have the courage to make a career out of art. I support the arts by buying it from my fellow artists at least once a month and sometimes more = depending on how many birthdays or holidays that month! I also support the arts by creating it. And now, I must go do that because I only have one more month to produce another twenty pieces for our July show. A word of unsolicited advice- this is a meaningful discussion. Don't throw away the potential NEW ideas by throwing worn-out accusations at each other. No matter how old you are (!), try to look at the situation with a fresh eye. I am doing that, and am re-thinking my position. My question for the day is: "Do I object to government spending for the arts, the NEA specifically, or HOW monies have been spent?" = Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 13:20:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: webring? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.11719.0> Precedence: bulk >Sounds like a "new" and "improved" chain letters (group) for SPAM !!!! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gerard >To: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca >Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 8:23 AM >Subject: Re: webring? > > >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca >>To: Gerard >>Date: Tuesday, 2 June 1998 03:24 >>Subject: Re: icq members ? >>What's a webring? >>Shiela >>hi Shiela >>a Webring is the electronic equivalent of a shopping arcade. >>if you have a web page you put a little panel on it with the ring >>name/contacts etc.. and it has buttons for the next/previous sites in the >>ring >>www.webring.org has 1000's of rings on every subject some with 100's of >>sites registered. >>i just started one today it's called the Leadlight Ring (of course) and if >>you have a web page you can join at >>www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring-join.htlm >>if you don't have a page yet why not start one today ! >>it's free for life. it's fun ! it's available from >>www.freeyellow.com they offer 5 pages free and up to 2Mb of pictures etc.. >>they have also an html editor for beginner if you don't feel too confident. >> >>Harlequin Leadlight Home page >>http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html >>http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 13:32:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thistles Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:22:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199806021955.PAA02842@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I was wondering if someone could help me with a > thistle pattern. Have you checked HotBot? I searched for "thistle" in the U.S. within the last year that included graphics and got Web Results 15698 matches. Breakdown: thistle 33108 Within: 365 days GeoPlace: North America (all) Features: image Surely there'll be one you can modify of 33,108 available. Go to http://www.hotbot.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 14:57:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: webring? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:08:27 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun2.21827.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-02 16:21:11 EDT, you write: << >Sounds like a "new" and "improved" chain letters (group) for SPAM !!!! > >>What's a webring? >>Shiela >>hi Shiela >>a Webring is the electronic equivalent of a shopping arcade. >>if you have a web page you put a little panel on it with the ring >>name/contacts etc.. and it has buttons for the next/previous sites in the >>ring >> A webring is a collection of web sites about a certain subject (like stained glass, football, knitting, etc ) that are connected together. Usually, there are navigation buttons at the bottom of the main page (of each site) which will take you to the next site of the collection, eventually begining you back to the first one, thus it's called a ring. It's a great way to get more visitors to your site. If you are starting your own ring there is lots more to know, but to just view a site or "ring", the above covers it. My web site is on the "Beauty And The Beast" webring. When I update my site (soon) I hope to be on a few others. Dianne::::::who loves traveling through 'rings. http://members.aol.com/pdruss sorry no glass yet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 15:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:46:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.224649.0> References: <<1998May31.13144.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dani, to indicate to you my "fact". I took the latest financial report of the NEA for money to be distributed (not the total amount NEA received) 89 million dollars and divided by 200 million people (yes, I know that's not exactly 40 cents & and that there are more than 200 million people in the USA). So that "fact" is disputable. What is not disputable is that there has been a very large drop in the amount of money available for distribution since 1992. I'm not aware of the source for the figure of 1.21 dollars per person. In any case, I'm not concerned about the total spend by the NEA, but its spend on art - i.e. that for distribution. Steve In message <1998May31.13144.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" writes >What IS the percentage of NEA >funding to the states? And how is >it determined? Even more interesting, >how much do various states contribute >from the state level? You know, the >more we've discussed this, the more >I realize I don't know enough FACTS. >When we started this debate, per capita >NEA spending was $1.21. Our friend = > >from Scotland informs us that we're >down to forty cents! Well, that's a mighty >big drop. Let's aim for some some >truth here. And, then look at the picture. >Might give us a third view. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 15:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shirley Balloch Subject: Re: Hammered Colbalt blue glass Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:45:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.234536.0> References: <<1998Jun1.105811.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Shirley, there is a dark blue sahara glass - made by Vegla in Germany - so I don't know if it is avaliable in the USA. Otherwise, Bob's way is best. Also if you don't need a special pattern, or a kind of stipple will do, sprinkle whiting on the kiln shelf with a flour seive and put the glass on top. take up to slumping temperatures and you will have a lightly (and randomly) stippled, not hammered texture. Steve In message <1998Jun1.105811.0@?>, Shirley Balloch writes >It needs to be on the dark side of colbalt blue. And the hammering(?) >needs to be small. I want to makes wings with it. >Does anyone know of a company that manufactures something like this? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 16:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Charles Spitzer Subject: Arts funding (side bar - oil revenue) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:16:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.231654.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles, I don't really want to get into a discussion on oil and gas, but... Gas (petrol in the UK) is heavily taxed in the UK. But the tax toes to the UK not to Scotland, so the revenue is not accountablly applied to Scottish things. Many Scots believe they are subsidising the UK (for UK in this context read English). They don't like it. But like expenditure on art, the revenue from oil is spread around the whole country for the benefit of the the WHOLE of the UK. If there is no cross subsidisation of unprofitable, but worthy activities, by profitable activities, there is no community of interest. No community of interest, no nation. Which seems, as an outsider, what some USAns want. States rights appears to be a "my rights" issue. "Rights" as an issue so often avoids the reciprocal "responsibilities" But this is a little off Arts funding, isn't it? Steve In message , Charles Spitzer writes >Albert wrote: >> >> Note that gas >> for our cars is heavily subsidized; in Europe, for example, it's >> usually more than $5/gallon. Two weeks ago in Scotland it cost more >> than $50 to fill a small car's tank. >> >> Besides, that 40 cents/year is for the most part returned to local >> regional uses. > >subsidized? by whom? what corporation or government organization is being so >beneficial to gas users in the US? > >and exactly how much of that $5/gallon in scotland went to the government in >taxes rather than the producers? what is the real cost to the producers to >supply that gallon of gas to the pump, and where is the extra money going? it >may even be cheaper to produce a gallon of gas in scotland than for the US, >taking into account the massive amounts of oil being pumped in the North Sea. > >having lived in Sweden for a while, I know that the price of gas is kept >artifically high in europe by the governments in order to convince people to >not drive, but to use other means of transportation (public or mechanical). > >regards, >charlie >--- >Charles Spitzer >charlie@az.stratus.com >Customer Assistance Center >Stratus Computer, Inc. >Phoenix, AZ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 16:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:11:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199806022246.SAA12154@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > question for the day is: "Do I object to > government spending for the arts, the NEA > specifically, or HOW monies have been > spent?" "How" in a few cases, but not in the overwhelming majority of them. I think I've made more mistakes in my life, percentage-wise, than the NEA has. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 16:41:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: planetc.com!jw From: "jw" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <199806022218.SAA24687@ns1.planetc.com> Precedence: bulk Please remove us from your list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 18:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:19:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199806030052.UAA18435@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > "Rights" as an issue so often avoids the reciprocal "responsibilities" Well, yes, Steve. I've noticed that, too. Mainly, it seems, those who don't want the "government" involved in their lives don't want anyone else/thing involved, either. Hereabouts, for instance, those who are most avidly anti-government also vote down local bond issues, whether for education or roads. Basically, it's an "I've got mine and you should just get outta town" attitude. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 18:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:19:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199806030052.UAA18438@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > So that "fact" is disputable. What is not disputable is that there has > been a very large drop in the amount of money available for distribution > since 1992. The NEA contradicts itself, too (there must be humans involved in the organization somewhere). On the one hand they say 38 cents per capita per annum, on the other (or on another page) they say 36 cents. As for funding dropping, that's a direct result of anti-art and anti-NEA actions in the Congress here, Steve. Nevermind, the contrast between 36/38 cents and $35-40 per person per year is so great as to make the 2c worth ( ! ) immaterial. > I'm not aware of the source for the figure of 1.21 dollars per person. > In any case, I'm not concerned about the total spend by the NEA, but its > spend on art - i.e. that for distribution. I don't have the source for the $1.21 figure, either, alas, since I delete what I've answered and daren't keep. (Shoot, I have 5,000+ must-save messages already at this point; I try to keep it down.) I looked for a figure on percentage spent on overhead/staffing. Didn't find it, but the total expenditure came so close to the total authorized that the margin seemed pointless to pursue. I'll keep looking though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 21:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Thistles Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: <199806030353.UAA11011@ark.com> Precedence: bulk >To: "Candice McCall" >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >Subject: Re: Thistles >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Yes, I would be interested in something like that too. My father in law is from >scotland and we have a family reunion in July---might be something there I can make for them to remember the reunion etc. >Thanks.....Wayne > > >>I was wondering if someone could help me with a >>thistle pattern. Perhaps one of our Scottish >>members... I used to live in Scotland in the >>early 80's and have collected thistle pottery and >>the like since then. It was a lovely place to >>live and I have many fond memories from there... >> >>I'd like to use the pattern for a stepping stone >>and possibly for a suncatcher later. >> >>I'd be very appreciative if someone could help. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Candice McCall >>Gainesville, Florida >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 22:13:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:26:30 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun3.42630.0> Precedence: bulk In reply to today's question, yes, I object to funding the arts through government spending. Art is a natural extension of a person and will be created with or without government intervention. We need less government and more responsibility in our lives. An artist will create, regardless of government handouts. It is just another welfare package wrapped up in a sugar-coated package. Bleech. >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Tue Jun 2 13:06:19 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios >From: "Michael J. Greer" >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Subject: Re: Arts funding >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:59 -0400 >Message-ID: <1998Jun2.111959.0> >Precedence: bulk > >The NEA has made more than a couple = > >of mistakes. If I had pulled a few stunts >like they have, I'd have been out of business >a long time ago. I've heard that argument >from hundreds of NEA supporters. It doesn't >impress me. It's a weak argument.. It just >serves to polarize the camps - intelligent >people who could be pooling their brain- >power to objectively look at the problems >and solve them. In short, to come up with >a better plan. To tell me I don't support >the arts because I don't support the NEA is >a lie. I support the arts by having the guts = > >to make a living at it twelve hours a day >seven days a week. I support the arts by >donating about $20,000 a year in work >to other non-profit fundraisers who rely >on auctions to fund their functions. About >20% of that dollar amount is out-of-pocker >material cost, the rest a labor estimate = > >based on what another studio would charge >to replace it. I support the arts by giving = > >every bit of knowledge and understanding >I have about it to anyone who asks at any >moment in the hopes that one other = > >person will have the courage to make >a career out of art. I support the arts by >buying it from my fellow artists at least >once a month and sometimes more = > >depending on how many birthdays or >holidays that month! I also support the arts >by creating it. And now, I must go do that >because I only have one more month >to produce another twenty pieces for our >July show. A word of unsolicited advice- >this is a meaningful discussion. Don't >throw away the potential NEW ideas by >throwing worn-out accusations at each other. >No matter how old you are (!), try to look >at the situation with a fresh eye. I am doing >that, and am re-thinking my position. My >question for the day is: "Do I object to >government spending for the arts, the NEA >specifically, or HOW monies have been >spent?" = > > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 2 22:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: Arts funding Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:35:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun2.203538.0> References: <<199806020245.WAA26229@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk > >> It's all in how you look at it. I don't think the government should >be >> involved in probably 90% of the stuff they poke their noses into. > >Oh, I thought it was just the arts you were against. If it's the >entire government and the nation's infrastructure you want to >disassemble, that's a whole 'nuther ball o' yarn. > >Albert Albert, No I don't want to disassemble the whole infrastructure, and the highway example was merely to say that it could probably be done much more cost effectively by anyone but the gov't. Too many hands in the till, too many special interests, too many Senators and Congressmen only interested in how much funding they can bring home to show they're looking out for their own so they can get re-elected. I simply feel that the government should limit its' role to looking out for the welfare of the citizenry in terms of necessities and let everyone decidefor themselves how to use the freedoms that they thusly provide. (If for no other reason than that government has proven that it can't adequately control its own activities.) I don't want to elect anyone to tell me what I should like or how I should live. As far as the arts specifically, I don't feel that anyone has the right to look into a crystal ball and give the fast track to whatever forms of art they feel will endure. This has the potential to slant and influence artistic creation in an unnatural way. I think these funds are likely to go to "promoter artists" if you will. It takes a different mindset to go through all of the gov't paperwork and bureaucracy to get the funding than it does just to create art. I tend to think that the most worthy artists are the least likely to jump through all those hoops. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 01:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Art Funding Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:57:37, -0500 Message-ID: <199806030757.DAA16604@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk I have read every post on this subject with interest. Many, many interesting facts, misstatements and plain twisting of facts and others ideas have been presented. Were this a verbal debate I suspect the twisters would win due to the projection of superiority that they seem to command. When the written word is examined the other side seems to make a better case. No matter, I feel confident in sticking to my original position that the government does not belong in the business of funding art. To my way of thinking, art is something created by a person that goes beyond the basic idea of food, clothing and shelter. It is the icing on the cake which many would say is an art form. And a good one too. A well decorated cake is far superior in my mind to one that has a plain coat of icing. It can please me and bring a smile to my face, causing me to express my appreciation to the artist or more often to the mere provider. That's art. I have been through a few museums across the US and some in Europe. Within 100 miles of where I live is a worthwhile percentage of the worlds art. Perhaps there is more art per square mile than in any other place in the world (read Getty, Hunington-Hartford, etc.). What treasures that I hope and trust will be added to as time progresses. Most of these places are publicly or privately funded and there is no mandatory admission fee. Such it should be. I know that is a socialist idea but in this case I will go for it. I get to vote for five people that go to Washington and no more. Read one Representive, two Senators, Vice President and President. I expect them to represent me and carry out the Constitution through the enactment and enforcement of laws. No more and no less. None of the five people would even suggest that they should influence my appreciation of art. I do not recall the reasons behind the creation of the NEA but I expect it was the result of a trade off, perhaps a few votes for some other pork barrel projects. This is a time of reining in the federal government and reducing funding for pork barrel projects. I would not expect the NEA to make it into the next century. Please do not call me anti art. Think of me as one that loves art for arts sake. I make sacrifices for art and from time to time have brought happiness and wonder to others. They pay me in coin of the realm so that I may continue to exist and do my thing. Money is important to art. Where it comes from is of concern to me. Bob Ps: Next week lets talk about ???????? Pss: My donation to create a custom stained glass window for the Boys & Girls Club auction of a value of $600.00 WENT FOR $800.00 THIS YEAR. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 03:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Art Funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:33:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199806031006.GAA10155@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > To my way of thinking, art is something created by a person that goes > beyond the basic idea of food, clothing and shelter. I guess that's where we differ, Bob. I think art is an integral part of life, an important part, and for everyone. Even those who can't afford it. > progresses. Most of these places are publicly or privately funded and > there is no mandatory admission fee. Such it should be. I know that > is a socialist idea but in this case I will go for it. But "publicly funded" means they're supported by the government, the public's representative. Not socialist at all. > I get to vote for five people that go to Washington and no more. Read > one Representive, two Senators, Vice President and President. All from California? Since there are 50 states, your formula would mean that we'd be right back where we already are. And since this is such a large and complex country, they'd need help, so they'd hire people to help them. If they weren't allowed to, nobody would take the assignments. > I do not recall the reasons behind the creation of the NEA but I > expect it was the result of a trade off, perhaps a few votes for some > other pork barrel projects. It was a direct outgrowth of WPA during the 30s. At the time, after the crash of '29, 40% of the nation's workers were out of jobs, people were starving ... literally. WPA and other similar programs put them back to work doing jobs that benefitted the country as a whole -- building roads, digging waterworks, putting up public buildings ... and decorating those buildings, which is where the artists came in. > Please do not call me anti art. I don't think anyone here thinks that, Bob. You've made it clear that you think the artist-client relationship should be a straight personal-dollars-for-personal-art thing, which is your right. That's fine. Others of us have other opinions, obviously, which is our right, too. That's what makes this country great. I think the national support for the arts, as well as federal encouragement of them, will continue. The majority of people in the US support that, even though they've had reservations about some of the decisions that have been made. It's part of the dynamic of a democracy, that's all. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 06:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nancyclayb From: Nancy Bean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cancellation Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:46:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.0467.0> Organization: Daltile Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list for now. Thanks. Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 07:14:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art Funding Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806031317.JAA07018@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Out of my lurk mode and quickly................. Well Bob................. The problem with going beyond the basics is that art is at the very basics. Most of what is in your life everyday has to do with art. Someone designed all those packages for that food. Someone designed and made those clothes that are on your back. And someone definitely designed that house you are living in. edited..... >> To my way of thinking, art is something created by a person that goes >> beyond the basic idea of food, clothing and shelter. > > I get to vote for five people that go to Washington and no more. Read > one Representive, two Senators, Vice President and President.>> Gee...I get to vote for a ton of people here............respresentatives, freeholders, committee people the mayor, the governor. And all those folks have a voice in the government.. And if those who I have put in office aren't speaking my words.....I make sure they know about it. I happen to know what non funding can do to local arts organizations. When the funding gets cut. Programs don't happen. Programs that benifit inner city children. Children whose only connection to any type of art come from these programs. And whose only way out of the inner city is through these programs. People with disabilities.........theres another one. Some of these will be non existented without those monies. The majority of these programs are directed by artist in art centers and where does the money come to maintain these centers. Not always from the communities. The money from our personal taxes goe to more than we are all aware of...it is pennies. Maybe I am not always happy with the messenger. But I have yet to hear another message that sounds better. If I do maybe I too can change. my best, pj (who wonders if the big picture is ever clear without being in it) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 09:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ARTS ISSUE REQUEST Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.63147.0> Precedence: bulk I for one have read enough. I am almost always amazed to see how differently people can feel about different issues. I RESPECT YOUR DESIRE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS THREAD AS LONG AS YOU LIKE !!!! Is that clear. My request is rather simple I believe. If you all would start you subject line with "NEA:" it would make it easier for me and maybe a few others to delete all messages. I don't believe this is an unreasonable request. Many of us like the bungi line but are limited on time. Thank you for entertaining my request. Michael from LSG. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 13:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Next week's topic Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.111655.0> Precedence: bulk I think Bob's suggestion (hint ;-) about next week's topic has potential. Why = not present a "topic of the week" that's = a bit more esoteric? Some history, reviews of contemporary artists, etc. We could handle it the way Pat Kelly is handling the bios. Someone can = keep a list of ideas and pick one for the following week, maybe announce the subject on Friday. I really look forward to the bios every week. Maybe Bob could be in charge ;-) ! Brilliant idea! What does everyone else think? Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 13:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Art Funding/Donations Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.11172.0> Precedence: bulk There's putting your money where your mouth is, Bob. Wish I had = some of your buyers out my way. = The "Carmen" window on our web site that we created for the Opera Festival last year auctioned for = $170 !! I now give gift certificates, usually in $500 denominations so that I at least have the pleasure of working with the buyer and designing something just for them. (And perhaps doing a bit of educating as to the cost and value of original art!) Best regards, Dani Greer http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 13:55:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Frits and Powders Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.112951.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- I'm getting more and more intrigued = with the idea of using frits and powders- has anyone tried using them? For what purpose or effect? Do you like the end result? Has anyone written a "how-to" book on the subject? I also heard that templates for lettering were available to use with frits - has anyone tried them with successful results? Any info is = most appreciated. And, now, back to the drawing board (I'm going to be in serious trouble if I don't keep my nose to the grindstone!) Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 14:19:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Art Funding/Donations Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.112958.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: BOB DUCHESNEAU, INTERNET:YWAH36A@prodigy.com CC: All, INTERNET:GLASS@BUNGI.COM DATE: 6/3/98 12:53 PM RE: Copy of: Art Funding/Donations There's putting your money where your mouth is, Bob. Wish I had = some of your buyers out my way. = The "Carmen" window on our web site that we created for the Opera Festival last year auctioned for = $170 !! I now give gift certificates, usually in $500 denominations so that I at least have the pleasure of working with the buyer and designing something just for them. (And perhaps doing a bit of educating as to the cost and value of original art!) Best regards, Dani Greer http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 3 16:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, GreerStudios@compuserve.com Subject: Frits and Powders Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:24:03, -0500 Message-ID: <199806032224.SAA17986@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Hi all I'm getting more and more intrigued with the idea of using frits and powders- has anyone tried using them? For what purpose or effect? Do you like the end result? Has anyone written a "how-to" book on the subject? I also heard that templates for lettering were available to use with frits - has anyone tried them with successful results? Any info is most appreciated. And, now, back to the drawing board (I'm going to be in serious trouble if I don't keep my nose to the grindstone!) Best regards, Dani Greer<< Frits and powders are my favorite way to add color and texture to a piece of glass. Hardly ever use the conventional glass paints designed for firing as I feel frit is a better way to go. Bullseye makes a wide range of frits with a COE of 90. I am to cheap to buy any so I make my own from scrap glass. Just make sure that the glass is compatible with the base glass to be used. Recently was asked to fuse up pettles for speckled lilies. The picture presented of the desired lily had a streak of purple with outlaying speckles of color. Simply used my hammer to break up two shades of purple and very carefully sprinkled the graded powder on. Used a common kitchen strainer to screen out the coarser particles of glass. No need to use an adhesive in this case. Fused at 1420'F for a nice relief effect. Used Spectrum glass for the above project. Avoided divitrification by running the kiln at max advance above the strain point 1000'F to fuse and then crash cool to 1000'F. Did not want to use anti divit spray due to loose frit. Good result. For designs like letters you can paint on an adhesive like Reusche mineral spirits, squeegee oil or even thinned Elmers Glue All. Then sprinkle on the graded frit and blow off the excess frit. A few trial runs will provide all the necessary answers as to what size and how much frit to use and what temperature is best for the effect desired. Great things can be done- for a hummingbirds eye one piece of frit is necessary. From 1/8" black glass cut a right angle triangle -3/16" at the base with the other two legs 1/8" long. Place on the base with the right angle up. Fuses at about 1400'F to an oval eye that adds relief and realism. Bob ( who frits but frets not) ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 00:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:54:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, GreerStudios@compuserve.com Subject: Frits and Powders Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:15:52, -0500 Message-ID: <199806040315.XAA20902@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Thanks for the good feedback - of course, we'll never stop glass painting because I don't think you can get the detail with frits and powders that we would want for portrait work (faces and hands on biblical figures, etc.) and coats - of- arms, for example. But, as you mentioned, and Jerri Roey, on some things like landscapes and florals, I think the effect might be better with frits/powders.<< I fully agree that frits are for more generalised things. They are no substitute for portrait work. My previous statement should have made this distinction. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 00:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Frits and Powders Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806040410.VAA21418@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >To: "Michael J. Greer" >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >Subject: Re: Frits and Powders > >> >AH,HA! >Frits and powders... up my alley. >Make your own, COE the best! >Templates, how dare you. >Make your own, easy as pie and for me pie can be snarcy!! (Cindy word) >Love of it all, >have we done the art funding yet???? >Best, Cindy >> >>I'm getting more and more intrigued = >> >>with the idea of using frits and powders- >>has anyone tried using them? For what >>purpose or effect? Do you like the end >>result? Has anyone written a "how-to" >>book on the subject? I also heard that >>templates for lettering were available to >>use with frits - has anyone tried them >>with successful results? Any info is = >> >>most appreciated. And, now, back to >>the drawing board (I'm going to be >>in serious trouble if I don't keep my nose >>to the grindstone!) >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dani Greer >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 01:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Next week's topic Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.173329.0> References: <<1998Jun3.111655.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > I think Bob's suggestion (hint ;-) about > next week's topic has potential. Why > not present a "topic of the week" that's > a bit more esoteric? Some history, > reviews of contemporary artists, etc. > ...What does everyone else think? I think it is a great idea. I love the bios, too, tho' I have been negligent about actually writing one. I would love to hear about what kind of process people go through when they are designing. What kind of dialogue they set up with a customer to find out what will really suit them. And most of all, when and how they figure out when the design is as good as it can be...or in my case, as good as I can get it. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 04:29:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: artglass@water.waterw.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Polymer technology Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:42:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun4.104243.0> Precedence: bulk pj-did you ever find a source for the lead tape that people who do glass overlay use? (think you asked for it back in May sometime. If you didn't find any, let me know and I will dig my pile of catalogs out and get you the info on purchasing. Sorry for the delay, Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 05:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Yegnim@aol.com, Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Polymer technology Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:17:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.41740.0> References: <<1998Jun4.104243.0>> Precedence: bulk Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > pj-did you ever find a source for the lead tape that people who do > glass > overlay use? (think you asked for it back in May sometime. If you > didn't find > any, let me know and I will dig my pile of catalogs out and get you > the info > on purchasing. Sorry for the delay, Lenore > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 09:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mind.net!kwelburn From: "Kristy Welburn" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:30:24 -0700 Message-ID: <199806041530.IAA02281@one.mind.net> Precedence: bulk Please remove us from your list ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 09:41:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: repeat post Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.14445.0> Precedence: bulk I very sincerely apologize for being thoughtless and insensitive, and hope I have not offended anyone. I never took into account those of you who do not believe in copper foil. I neglected to qualify my remarks as not trying to denigrate the group who use lead came and like products such as brass coated, zinc and so forth. Note, I have not touched on solder as that would lead to MANY more posts, and we would not want that, now would we? Look at the glass related dialog I have opened up and the MANY varied areas that one could comment upon. As an aside, has anyone had their mind changed, after wading through the myriad of communications on "arts funding" and the thread DRAGGED out from it? Back to my 14" dragonfly (note: this the diameter of the shade and not the nose to tail measurement of the "fly") Enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 10:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.14359.0> Precedence: bulk I think Bob's suggestion (hint ;-) about next week's topic has potential. Why = not present a "topic of the week" that's = a bit more esoteric? Some history, reviews of contemporary artists, etc. We could handle it the way Pat Kelly is handling the bios. Someone can = keep a list of ideas and pick one for the following week, maybe announce the subject on Friday. I really look forward to the bios every week. Maybe Bob could be in charge ;-) ! Brilliant idea! What does everyone else think? Best, Dani Greer Taken from her post... I may humbly add, PERHAPS even a mention of something (even remotely) related to glass just so we/I remember that this list at one point( tiny) did indeed have a modicum of posts that sometime did have the word glass in it. I would like to see the lead in or subject stay consistent so I can have my "inbox" assistant sort it for me. Perhaps I will "read" the first 200 posts (a few may be slightly repetitious and or redundant) but after those, I will probably just consign any more of them to the trash without any perusal! "sticky side down when foiling"...a good topic to expand on, and it does indeed relate to glass (I think). Is down correct, or should it read against the glass???We can delve in great depth into, thickness, face width, why does it come in decorative edging, black back, silver back, non treated back and which part is exactly the back as to its relationship to the front and so forth. Sheet foil 12"x12" why is it not another size, who chose that size, and so forth? We may even be able to work in the "industry" itself, and any possibility subsidies and so forth, which may include but not limited to copper mining, treatment of workers, and distribution, which may get the subject back on track as to subsidies but that is another topic (possibly). To the best of my knowledge, there are only two manufacturers of foil, is this a bi/opoly , and is there federal assistance to any other company who may try to break into this field....Just a few ideas and musing from me, who has until now absorbed all this information with little no additional comment. Acerbically yours, Howard and awaiting a host of posts........ weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 10:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: my opinion Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:38:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.13835.0> Precedence: bulk If we (list) want to discuss philosophy, art and the like, how about taking it to a newsgroup! Lost and lots of communication there and a much broader base to continue a thread on and on and on, even after it has been beat to death. I for one would like to see these posts more glass (craft) related. I also posted another observation, but it seems to not have made the list, so I will re-post it (bet you can hardly wait), with a few modifications. If worse comes to worse(r)...how about agreeing to a "SUBJECT" title for non-glass observations and adhering to it, so those of us (spoil sports) can delete them. enjoy, H (it is only [used to be] glass) weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 10:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subjects was ARTS ISSUE REQUEST Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.8532.0> References: <<1998Jun3.63147.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I have been through this type of issue b-4 on other ML's, and what helps is to have a group of qualifiers for subjects i.e. 'Gear' for Equipment, 'EVNT' for events, NGC for No glass content, or LGC for Little Glass Content. Those member with the ability to 'filter; or 'killfile' posts, then can dump the posts without ever seeing them. This, of course depends on voluntary cooperation. also keeping the subject accurate can help. Michael Minchelli wrote: > I for one have read enough. I am almost always amazed to see how > differently people can feel about different issues. > I RESPECT YOUR DESIRE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS THREAD AS LONG AS YOU LIKE > !!!! Is that clear. > My request is rather simple I believe. If you all would start you subject > line with "NEA:" it would make it easier for me and maybe a few others to > delete all messages. > I don't believe this is an unreasonable request. Many of us like the bungi > line but are limited on time. > Thank you for entertaining my request. > Michael from LSG. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 11:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Art Funding Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:31:07 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun4.17317.0> Precedence: bulk How come whenever someone wants to make their point they try use an emotional argument and drag "the children" into it. Let's stick to the basics. Art has never been "squashed" throughout the ages because of or lack of intervention by the government. Government should have no role in what is deemed "correct" or "incorrect" art - Bob is right about this. As for the children, where do they get most of their art instruction? In the instances I have observed, it is not at school, but at home where they are encouraged to use crayons in the coloring book, play-doh, chalkboards, fingerpaints, even colored building blocks. Even the welfare children I have been involved with have crayons or pens/pencils at their disposal. >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Wed Jun 3 07:23:03 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:18:48 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass >From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: Re: Art Funding >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <199806031317.JAA07018@water.waterw.com> >Precedence: bulk > >Out of my lurk mode and quickly................. > >Well Bob................. >The problem with going beyond the basics is that art is at the very basics. > >Most of what is in your life everyday has to do with art. >Someone designed all those packages for that food. >Someone designed and made those clothes that are on your back. >And someone definitely designed that house you are living in. > >edited..... > >>> To my way of thinking, art is something created by a person that goes >>> beyond the basic idea of food, clothing and shelter. >> >> I get to vote for five people that go to Washington and no more. Read >> one Representive, two Senators, Vice President and President.>> > >Gee...I get to vote for a ton of people here............respresentatives, >freeholders, committee people the mayor, the governor. And all those folks >have a voice in the government.. >And if those who I have put in office aren't speaking my words.....I make >sure they >know about it. > >I happen to know what non funding can do to local arts organizations. >When the funding gets cut. Programs don't happen. Programs that benifit >inner city children. Children whose only connection to any type of art come >from >these programs. And whose only way out of the inner city is through these >programs. >People with disabilities.........theres another one. Some of these will be >non existented >without those monies. The majority of these programs are directed by artist >in art centers and where does the money come to maintain these centers. Not >always from the communities. > >The money from our personal taxes goe to more than we are all aware of...it >is pennies. Maybe I am not always happy with the messenger. But I have yet >to hear another message that sounds better. If I do maybe I too can change. > >my best, >pj (who wonders if the big picture is ever clear without being in it) > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 12:13:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: repeat post Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:18:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.10183.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Howard- Must have missed some of your posts (??), but as far as the arts funding question - Yes, I am re-thinking my position on that. I'll = probably come out of this discussion a little less extreme than when I = went into it. = Best regards, Dani Greer (who realizes that not ALL conversations are going to entertain her ALL the time... and thinks that's perfectly alright and usually doesn't feel the need to comment on it!) ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 12:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Topics Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.101756.0> Precedence: bulk Remember, everyone, just = because a dozen folks are having a discussion about something you are not interested in (like arts funding), doesn't mean you can't inititiate = another conversation about something you find more interesting. We can have six conversations going at a = time. All you have to do is take the intiative and initiate a conversation... and participate a little so it goes on = for a while. Works that way in real life, too! ;-) Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 12:56:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: apologies Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:09:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.8937.0> Precedence: bulk I very sincerely apologize for being thoughtless and insensitive, and hope I have not offended anyone. I never took into account those of you who do not believe in copper foil. I neglected to qualify my remarks as not trying to denigrate the group who use lead came and like products such as brass coated, zinc and so forth. Note, I have not touched on solder as that would lead to MANY more posts, and we would not want that, now would we? Look at the glass related dialog I have opened up and the MANY varied areas that one could comment upon. As an aside, has anyone had their mind changed, after wading through the myriad of communications on "arts funding" and the thread DRAGGED out from it? Back to my 14" dragonfly (note: this the diameter of the shade and not the nose to tail measurement of the "fly") Enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 13:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: YWAH36A@prodigy.com Subject: Re: Frits and Powders Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.162633.0> References: <<199806032224.SAA17986@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Bob, I don't understand what you did here. >Used Spectrum glass for the above project. Avoided divitrification by >running the kiln at max advance above the strain point 1000'F to fuse >and then crash cool to 1000'F. Did not want to use anti divit spray >due to loose frit. Good result. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 13:59:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Antique lead melting pot&ladle for sale Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.11158.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all. I am posting this message for a non-INTERNET aquaintance. He owns an antique lead melting pot & ladle set, which he would like to sell. He used it for lead castings. If you are interested, please send me a private email (please don't post to the bungi group). Thanks. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 14:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: still, yet even more! Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.15117.0> Precedence: bulk I have no qualms with the discussion(s) on how to improve your GLASS, work, marketing, design, techniques, and the like....Why shucks, I have over the years even made suggestions as to marketing, efficiency, design and so on, as for the NEA (oops) diatribe and deep thinking, I think you have not MADE a whit of a difference in anyone's thinking and opinion of how the allocations and monies were used and or abused. Back to my "fly".........14" dragon that is! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 14:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------86B61D69148C35FF90B9F387" Subject: Subject content Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.51831.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------86B61D69148C35FF90B9F387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I for one, am very curious about the contributing artists here. As a new topic, I would like to hear from some of you who are working on a current project. Dimensions, new techniques learned for this project, glass colors and any exciting details regarding your current project. I'm always amazed at how talented people are and just wonder if any one would like to share some info in regards to that here. Off of that subject onto this one: Does anyone use Laticrete products? If you do what do you use to strengthen your grout with? I talked to the regional sales manager from Laticrete and he could have sold me his house, but didn't offer much in the way of what product to use, if you can believe that! Sooo, I'm asking all of you. And no Howard, my opinion has not changed about the NEA. I will have to say this because it has really been on my mind. I believe, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, that the subject of art funding started with pj's subtle mention of Juditih and the NEA. I can't remember who the post was from, because I was rather upset at the time, but I hit the delete key after my name was mentioned along with pj in a basic slam regarding Hitler and the like. I did not appreciate that post at all. You may not agree with my opinions but to slam them like that was uncalled for. What if my background had included jewish decent? Could have struck a cord with me I'm sure. I'm glad we are moving onto something else none the less. Pam --------------86B61D69148C35FF90B9F387 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------86B61D69148C35FF90B9F387-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 14:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art Funding/children's programs re:Roger Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806042033.QAA22203@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Well Roger its because thats the way things really are. Welcome to the real world. The NEA and state arts organization fund programs for children in inner cities. That is about as basic as it gets. >How come whenever someone wants to make their point they try use an >emotional argument and drag "the children" into it. >> No one getting emotional or arguing here.....this is just a discussion. Please don't make more of it than it really is. > >As for the children, where do they get most of their art instruction? >In the instances I have observed, it is not at school, but at home where >they are encouraged to use crayons in the coloring book, play-doh, >chalkboards, fingerpaints, even colored building blocks. Most children in inner cities are lucky they even make it to school. And as for crayons etc. This just aint' happening. > >Even the welfare children I have been involved with have crayons or >pens/pencils at their disposa>> Then you are quite a lucky person to witness that. my best, pj/ > > > >>From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Wed Jun 3 07:23:03 1998 >>Received: by daver.bungi.com >> via smail with stdio >> id >> for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:18:48 -0700 (PDT) >> (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >>X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass >>From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Subject: Re: Art Funding >>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) >>Message-ID: <199806031317.JAA07018@water.waterw.com> >>Precedence: bulk >> >>Out of my lurk mode and quickly................. >> >>Well Bob................. >>The problem with going beyond the basics is that art is at the very >basics. >> >>Most of what is in your life everyday has to do with art. >>Someone designed all those packages for that food. >>Someone designed and made those clothes that are on your back. >>And someone definitely designed that house you are living in. >> >>edited..... >> >>>> To my way of thinking, art is something created by a person that >goes >>>> beyond the basic idea of food, clothing and shelter. >>> >>> I get to vote for five people that go to Washington and no more. Read >>> one Representive, two Senators, Vice President and President.>> >> >>Gee...I get to vote for a ton of people >here............respresentatives, >>freeholders, committee people the mayor, the governor. And all those >folks >>have a voice in the government.. >>And if those who I have put in office aren't speaking my words.....I >make >>sure they >>know about it. >> >>I happen to know what non funding can do to local arts organizations. >>When the funding gets cut. Programs don't happen. Programs that >benifit >>inner city children. Children whose only connection to any type of art >come >>from >>these programs. And whose only way out of the inner city is through >these >>programs. >>People with disabilities.........theres another one. Some of these >will be >>non existented >>without those monies. The majority of these programs are directed by >artist >>in art centers and where does the money come to maintain these centers. >Not >>always from the communities. >> >>The money from our personal taxes goe to more than we are all aware >of...it >>is pennies. Maybe I am not always happy with the messenger. But I >have yet >>to hear another message that sounds better. If I do maybe I too can >change. >> >>my best, >>pj (who wonders if the big picture is ever clear without being in it) >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 15:23:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: apologies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:43:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199806042120.RAA09457@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > As an aside, has anyone had their mind changed, after wading through the > myriad of communications on "arts funding" and the thread DRAGGED out from > it? Not that *I have noticed, Howard. But then I'm not sure that means it's not worth discussing. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 15:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.com!Kevin.Longshore From: Kevin Longshore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Suggestions for next weeks topic Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.124754.0> Precedence: bulk I'll delurk for a moment. After reading some of the debates on government funding for art, I got to thinking about some of the points brought up. From that, here are my suggestions for a new topic, most of which can be related to glass, or selling, in some manner. Be aware, I worded these in an effort to start (friendly) debate. Is it a true statement/assumption that the general public doesn't care about or buy art? Why is football ALWAYS better funded than art? Whenever a school tax levy comes up, the schools threaten that if it doesn't pass, the football/sports programs will have to be cut. If it doesn't pass, art and music are cut. Why doesn't the general public buy original art? Is it that they are idiots/hacks/tasteless fools? Is it that art to many people is a canvas that some fool artist splattered paint on in an attempt to avoid getting a real job? Many people think art is always personal and deep and meaningful, but in some cases, is this stereotype accurate? Do people not buy art because to many people is unbelievably expensive? Is it really too expensive for the work put into it? Or do most people not have any idea how much work goes into it? How do we show people (the general public as a whole, not just a few people who come into the shop) how difficult/time consuming it is? Is there still space for a skilled craftsman in this world? Will there still be space in 10 or 20 years? Is there any way to make MORE space for the skilled work, rather than just the mass produced cheaper work? Etc, etc, etc. I'll start with an example. A man I know, a very 'practical' person (he doesn't dislike art, he just doesn't think it has anything to do with his life), was impressed by a plant which manufactured globes for lamps. He thought it was wonderful how efficient they were when they hand painted flowers onto some of the globes. There were about 6 people in a line, and, as the globes came past them on the conveyer, each person painted one or two strokes on the globe. The same strokes on each globe. By the end of the 6 people, the whole flower scene had been painted. Because they used people instead of a machine to make the strokes, they can sell the globes as hand painted. To him, this was a wonderfully efficient system. If he sees glass painted in this manner, and other glass that a single person put his/her creativity and skill into, he would buy the mass produced one because it is significantly cheaper, and the extra skill doesn't mean anything to him. Most people, in my opinion, are like this man. Good people, they just don't understand. How do we make them understand? Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 16:17:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A great idea or what???? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun3.72735.0> Precedence: bulk I think Bob's suggestion (hint ;-) about next week's topic has potential. Why = not present a "topic of the week" that's = a bit more esoteric? Some history, reviews of contemporary artists, etc. We could handle it the way Pat Kelly is handling the bios. Someone can = keep a list of ideas and pick one for the following week, maybe announce the subject on Friday. I really look forward to the bios every week. Maybe Bob could be in charge ;-) ! Brilliant idea! What does everyone else think? Best, Dani Greer Taken from her post... I may humbly add, PERHAPS even a mention of something (even remotely) related to glass just so we/I remember that this list at one point( tiny) did indeed have a modicum of posts that sometime did have the word glass in it. I would like to see the lead in or subject stay consistent so I can have my "inbox" assistant sort it for me. Perhaps I will "read" the first 200 posts (a few may be slightly repetitious and or redundant) but after those, I will probably just consign any more of them to the trash without any perusal! "sticky side down when foiling"...a good topic to expand on, and it does indeed relate to glass (I think). Is down correct, or should it read against the glass???We can delve in great depth into, thickness, face width, why does it come in decorative edging, black back, silver back, non treated back and which part is exactly the back as to its relationship to the front and so forth. Sheet foil 12"x12" why is it not another size, who chose that size, and so forth? We may even be able to work in the "industry" itself, and any possibility subsidies and so forth, which may include but not limited to copper mining, treatment of workers, and distribution, which may get the subject back on track as to subsidies but that is another topic (possibly). To the best of my knowledge, there are only two manufacturers of foil, is this a bi/opoly , and is there federal assistance to any other company who may try to break into this field....Just a few ideas and musing from me, who has until now absorbed all this information with little no additional comment. Acerbically yours, Howard and awaiting a host of posts........ weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 16:21:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDuc From: Bob Duchesneau To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2EAD22F8419D" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Frits and Powders] Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:16:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.7166.0> Organization: Prodigy Internet Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2EAD22F8419D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- = MZ=90 --------------2EAD22F8419D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com [127.0.0.1] by wflda-pimaia2y.prodigy.com; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:09:51 -0400 Received: from mime3.prodigy.com (mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08230; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:09:46 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA13612; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199806040307.XAA13612@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:07:25, -0500 To: BobDuc@prodigy.net, dodgestudio@juno.com Subject: Re: Frits and Powders >>I don't understand what you did here.<< Spectrum glass tends to divitrify at fusing temperatures. It grows crystals on the surface that dull the normally glossy surface. Dirty glass can accellerate divit. The usual solution is to spray the glass to be fused with a costing of finely divided glass that tends to resist divitrification. Spray A is popular. Of course if there is loose frit on the glass it can not be sprayed. Divitification is a function of time and temperature above about 1100'F. So if the time is reduced the divit is less likely. The strain point of Spectrum is something over 900'F. The anealing point is 950'F. Above the strain point you can not crack the glass no matter how fast you advance. So..... >Used Spectrum glass for the above project. Avoided divitrification by >running the kiln at max advance above the strain point 1000'F to fuse >and then crash cool to 1000'F. Did not want to use anti divit spray >due to loose frit. Good result. If this is not clear please let me know, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *She has a mind like a steel trap- with a broken spring.* Mrs. L. --------------2EAD22F8419D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 16:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: still, yet even more! Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806042218.SAA26681@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Howard, The point of the NEA thread was not to make a difference or change anyone's opinion. It was to stimulate some intelligent conversation on thought provoking issues. Which have to do with the life of an artist. my best, pj I have no qualms with the discussion(s) on how to improve your GLASS, work, >marketing, design, techniques, and the like....Why shucks, I have over the >years even made suggestions as to marketing, efficiency, design and so on, >as for the NEA (oops) diatribe and deep thinking, I think you have not MADE >a whit of a difference in anyone's thinking and opinion of how the >allocations and monies were used and or abused. >Back to my "fly".........14" dragon that is! >enjoy, H > >weaver51@teleport.com >http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard >enmeshed in the internet >trapped in the world wide web > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 17:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing Question Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.145348.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- I'm finding myself in a possible wholesale sales situation, and debating whether I ought to think about farming out some labor. I don't want employees on site, but wonder about having someone do leading, assembling, and that sort of thing out of their homes. What = would be a good per piece price? = Let me give you a specific example: There seems to be a demand for my crosses. If I gave you cut pieces of glass (four pieces for each)), you would have to wrap them in U90 lead channel, same with one glob for each cross. Each piece would then have to be soldered. Then the five pieces would be soldered together in the form of a cross. Then you give those assembled crosses back to me and get paid __(?)___ per cross. How many could you do in one hour? Keep in mind that = wrapping with u-channel and soldering lead takes a lot less time than foil. Foil is not an option because after the crosses are assembled I do extensive wirework on them and the lead looks and holds up better. However, if you = have experience with this scenario using foiled pieces, that per piece price might be helpful. Thanks for the feedback! Best regards, Dani Greer (who's waiting for more news from Christie before making any major = wholesale decisions!!) = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 17:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Thistles Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.14577.0> References: <<199806030353.UAA11011@ark.com>> Precedence: bulk I once tried to design a thistle...I could not come up with a pattern small enough or economical enough for the woman who asked. just toooo much small stuff in thistles. I certainly could not get it to work as a suncatcher. Dorothy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 17:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Funding/children's programs re:Roger Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:16:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.91618.0> References: <<199806042033.QAA22203@water.waterw.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was thinking along this line this am. I think some art forms like the ballet and symphony are akin to endangered species. I would not buy tickets for either, I would not use tickets for either if they were given to me and I would have a hard time finding someone else to give them too. But, I want ballet and symphony around for my children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Who knows, it may be the most popular form of dance and music in future generations. I don't get upset with the government trying to save endangered species(I live in Oregon, I know all about the spotted owl. So please don't start up). Again we can argue how the government goes about this. But I hope I am right in thinking that most of you do not want a species to die out. Therefore why would you want an art form to die out. Sorry I am busy and this is not said well. Hope you, if you care, get the gist of my meaning. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 18:02:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:27:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Why people don't buy art Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:27:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.92713.0> References: <<22003824404398@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Speaking as a person from a lower middle income class. We can't afford it. If we admire it, and we can, we do it ourself. Or go without. The majority of people do not recognize the work that goes into it. People like myself do know, but could never spend the money. House bills, food, car and the kids come first and there is never enough money at the end of the month. Of course we go to Wal=mart and settle for 32ndth best. I don't know if it is true, but we are now suppose to be a nation mainly populated by the poor. Middleclass is a minority. Or maybe middleclass equilvalent of my youth, which was some time ago. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 21:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: kiln recommendations Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:21:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.32117.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone For a glass enthusiast interested in learning to fuse glass, what type of kiln would you recommend? Manufacturer? Model? Cost? Thanks Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 23:28:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:35:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.53540.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-04 21:03:41 EDT, you write: << Speaking as a person from a lower middle income class. We can't afford it. If we admire it, and we can, we do it ourself. Or go without. The majority of people do not recognize the work that goes into it. People like myself do know, but could never spend the money. House bills, food, car and the kids come first and there is never enough money at the end of the month. Of course we go to Wal=mart and settle for 32ndth best. ...... >> It's the same with us. We live payday to payday. It's not that we don't kow to save money or that we don't want to save. But after paying all the bills and buying food there is very little left over. Many times we don't make it to the next paycheck. We just moved back to our house that we had been renting due to Navy moves. The renters have done a fine job in destroying it. All our extra money goes to fixing it up. A movie once in a while and a little glass to make gifts for birthdays and Christmas is about our only fun things. My husband retires from the Navy in a few weeks, and is looking for a better paying job. I see lots of things I would love to buy but "art" is at the end of the list. And I don't even know anyone who can afford "fine art". Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 4 23:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Pricing Question Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:00:10 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.6010.0> Precedence: bulk The bigger issue is your liability - is this a relative you trust to never sue you over lead poisoning? What if they or their kids get cut. It is a lawsuit-crazy world out there. >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Jun 4 17:13:16 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios >From: "Michael J. Greer" >To: All >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Subject: Pricing Question >Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:53:48 -0400 >Message-ID: <1998Jun4.145348.0> >Precedence: bulk > >Hi all- > >I'm finding myself in a possible >wholesale sales situation, and >debating whether I ought to think >about farming out some labor. I >don't want employees on site, but >wonder about having someone do >leading, assembling, and that sort of >thing out of their homes. What = > >would be a good per piece price? = > >Let me give you a >specific example: > >There seems to be a demand for >my crosses. If I gave you cut pieces >of glass (four pieces for each)), you >would have to wrap them in U90 >lead channel, same with one glob >for each cross. Each piece would >then have to be soldered. Then >the five pieces would be soldered >together in the form of a cross. Then >you give those assembled crosses >back to me and get paid __(?)___ >per cross. How many could you do >in one hour? Keep in mind that = > >wrapping with u-channel and soldering >lead takes a lot less time than foil. >Foil is not an option because after the >crosses are assembled I do extensive >wirework on them and the lead looks >and holds up better. However, if you = > >have experience with this scenario using >foiled pieces, that per piece price might >be helpful. Thanks for the feedback! > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer (who's waiting for more news >from Christie before making any major = > >wholesale decisions!!) = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 00:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, weaver51@teleport.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: still, yet even more! Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:52:01 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.5521.0> Precedence: bulk Odyssey or Worden? >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Jun 4 14:17:12 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:36:11 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 >From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" >To: "glass@ bungie.com" >Content-Type: text/plain; >Subject: still, yet even more! >Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:51:17 -0700 >Message-ID: <1998Jun4.15117.0> >Precedence: bulk > >I have no qualms with the discussion(s) on how to improve your GLASS, work, >marketing, design, techniques, and the like....Why shucks, I have over the >years even made suggestions as to marketing, efficiency, design and so on, >as for the NEA (oops) diatribe and deep thinking, I think you have not MADE >a whit of a difference in anyone's thinking and opinion of how the >allocations and monies were used and or abused. >Back to my "fly".........14" dragon that is! >enjoy, H > >weaver51@teleport.com >http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard >enmeshed in the internet >trapped in the world wide web > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 00:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, cmccall@dean.med.ufl.edu Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Thistles Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:11:10 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.61110.0> Precedence: bulk The book is Stained Glass Basics and it is on page 50. The way they do the thistle is to use Spectrum green (the teal, not the medium green) for the leaves (make the edges kind of raggedy), then come up to the flower. Make the bottom 1/2 out of the green and then for the thistle part, use Uroboros pale purple reeded glass (striated lines). Looks real sharp. Check it out if you get the chance - this is a best seller book (comes in both hard and soft and is kind of pricey in the hardbound edition). >From cmccall@dean.med.ufl.edu Tue Jun 2 13:35:43 1998 >Received: from dean.med.ufl.edu (dean.med.ufl.edu [128.227.59.70]) > by smtp.ufl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/1.5.1) with ESMTP id PAA26494 > for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:10 -0400 >Received: from DOCOM/SpoolDir by dean.med.ufl.edu (Mercury 1.21); > 2 Jun 98 15:56:09 EST >Received: from SpoolDir by DOCOM (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jun 98 15:56:01 EST >From: "Candice McCall" >Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine >To: "Roger Thornhill" >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:55:54 EST5EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Subject: Re: Thistles >Priority: normal >In-reply-to: <19980602195336.24535.qmail@hotmail.com> >Message-ID: > >Yes, thanks very much. I would greatly appreciate >it. > >Candice > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 00:47:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------985D710C3EF222C8CFF97DD9" Subject: O.K. Patrick-Pam's Bio Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.17611.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------985D710C3EF222C8CFF97DD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I must say I don't believe I am old enough for a bio, but will give it a shot. Lived a John and Yoko reckless, wild and fun adolescence that at times continues today. Modeled and Married at 21 a dysfunctional revert and had a wonderful daughter out of the deal. She is 12, well almost 12 going on 25. Divorced the dysfunctional revert (we are best of friends now) when I caught the 7 year itch and married my current spouse who was my high school sweetheart. Decided that I should develop my inner self and express some positive creativity, well that's what my therapist said I should do anyway. So I started designing jewelry using sterling silver and gemstones, ahhh gemstones, good therapeutic advise. Although my current husband would call it an excuse to spend money. The dewalt tools will tell that story anyway, in the meantime I ran another business, a daycare for kids from 0 to 5 years of age and became pregnant with my second child he is 2 today. Decided that I will not have another child for fear my mental health bills will be too high. My obsession, passion, love and joy is stained glass oh yeah, and my kids too. My favorite stained glass projects involve stepping stones. I don't like to do what everyone else has done so I keep my stones very unique. I'm still involved in designing jewelry, glass painting, beaded lampshades using Swarovski Austrian crystals mostly and interior design. The project I have on my work table at the moment is a stained glass low voltage yard light. Drawback to this: Now all of my neighbors want them for their place, my sister in Santa Barbara wants them for her place, my other sister is too busy swimming with the dolphins in the bahamas to care. So I will be working on this for the rest of the summer season I believe. I was fortunate to find and appreciate art later in life than none at all. My most difficult hurdle to overcome had nothing whatsoever to do with art but what I'm typing on at this very moment, my friend and yours the computer. Bought one without even the slightest clue on how to turn it on let alone run programs. Learned this in 2 months and had my web page up and running. Went back into therapy after that. Have found the diversity among artists here to be highly entertaining, enriching and thought provoking. So I leave you all with this little thought for the day. Regards~Pamela Art is a higher type of knowledge than experience~ Aristotle --------------985D710C3EF222C8CFF97DD9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------985D710C3EF222C8CFF97DD9-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 02:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------316BCA60AEFB69FB3DBE8E52" Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 01:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun4.182046.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------316BCA60AEFB69FB3DBE8E52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ***Why is football ALWAYS better funded than art? Whenever a school tax levy ***comes up, the schools threaten that if it doesn't pass, the football/sports ***programs will have to be cut. If it doesn't pass, art and music are cut. In regards to this question in our school district football means money therefore it will always be of more importance. In our state football means money, I live in the let Paul Allen buy a team, tear down the Kingdome and heck put up a new and multi-million dollar improved one State known as Washington. And of course we all know the Seahawk records throughout the years have been soooo money making. ***Many people think art is always personal and deep and meaningful, but in ***some cases, is this stereotype accurate? In regards to Kevins out of text question~ I buy art that is deep and meaningful to me. I have purchased beautiful paintings from a local artist whose main focus is our coastal region. All of the paintings are of well known area's that I have been to as a child and adult. So every time I glance at her painting it brings back a flood of memories for me. Her technique is mostly done with a knife and very little brush. The paintings are very lifelike and beautiful. Expensive yes, worth a mint in the future for investment sake, don't know, don't care really. They are worth every penny to me. Regards~Pam --------------316BCA60AEFB69FB3DBE8E52 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------316BCA60AEFB69FB3DBE8E52-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 03:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New site, very nice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:24:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199806051000.GAA14062@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk If you're interested, there's some nice glass at http://www.derix.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 03:33:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 05:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.14056.0> References: <<1998Jun4.182046.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan so accurately wrote: > > ***Why is football ALWAYS better funded than art? The same is true here in Cincinnati. The voters in this county got dupped into a sales tax increase to fund a stadium for the Bengals, Mike Brown couldn't get his way, threated to leave town, and the city bent over backwards. The public school system in Cincinnti, and the State of Ohio for that matter sucks, but we have football, or what claims to be football. We do have The Fine Arts Fund in Cincinnati, sort of the United Way for the arts. Most of the larger corporations contribute, along with a tax deductible contribution from the employees. What I find intrsting is that the same person that contributes to the Fund, will bitch about a levy for schools. My two cents, or is it a nickel now? Rick Lasita http://home.fuse.net/crafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 09:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Kevin Longshore Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Suggestions for next weeks topic Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun5.11016.0> References: <<1998Jun4.124754.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kevin: Your topic seems to be one we all grapple with at one time or another...how to price your products and still make a living. You described an assembly line activity. Most manufacturers do this because it is more efficient. One person who specializes and repeatedly turns out quality work for their area of speciality. In stained glass, we each try to do it all...being good in one area and not so good in another. If you look at the work people have for sell in stained glass booths at art and craft fairs you can find excellent work or poor quality. For the average person, they only know it is stained glass. Some of my students get enthusiastic and report their sales of items they make...some of it is pretty bady but they still command excessively high prices. Because the man liked the handpainted lamp shades doesn't really take away from the beauty of the lamp, the producers have just invented a way to handpaint and still make the profit we wish we could make. As a stained glass artist, I would never appreciate that type of lamp, but then maybe we don't do enough marketing of our products?? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 10:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9C6BD6C4BD2987936C4C5705" Subject: [Fwd: New site, very nice] Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.12338.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9C6BD6C4BD2987936C4C5705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Albert what a great site, your right. Loved the Rosh Chodesh~New Moon on page 5. Wow! Thanks, Pam --------------9C6BD6C4BD2987936C4C5705 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10290 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New site, very nice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:24:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199806051000.GAA14062@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk If you're interested, there's some nice glass at http://www.derix.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------9C6BD6C4BD2987936C4C5705 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------9C6BD6C4BD2987936C4C5705-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 10:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Why people don't buy art...sure they do! Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:53:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.15323.0> Precedence: bulk People DO buy art, there seems to a minor glitch as to just what is art! We seem to evaluate art as to the price tag on it. Short case in point, a very busy, and high pressure gallery had a limited edition of "fine art" for sale. He talked his original "investors" into buying it solely for re-sale, and even heard him making sales over the phone to people who had not even seen it. It was being shown to "select" buyers touting the re-sale market for it. I USED to show there (and yes he pushed my and sold my shades, too). Looked at a bunch of lines and squiggles on paper, the "art" seemed to be viewable from any of the 4 standard positions and none of them seemed "wrong". Owner, after selling the original edition, called on his list of patrons to re-purchase them on the secondary market for more money than the original cost and increased the price as well. It seemed the more the cost and demand, the higher the sales and turnover went. Marketing seems to play a stronger part than the content. I also took part in this investment!!!! Got off the train with a profit. Anyone familiar with the limited "Doolittles", a sad fact of ONLY 60,000 or so prints. " " John Nieto's, a fine fact of only 195 serigraphs The value seems to be set by the marketing, rather than the content. Anything is WORTH what someone will pay for it. I HAVE some original oils, (valuable) a few of serigraphs some hot glass, and more than 50 art/craft decorative items I have traded my shades for. That translates to OTHER artists/craftspeople having and showing my shades as well. I have also traded for custom art (murals, furniture painting, hand-made tiles,and other useful applications). I get what appeals to me, and also look to a possible re-sale in the future, as there are no pockets in a shroud and I have never seen a hearse with a u-haul attached! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 10:32:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806051427.HAA17754@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi all, A couple years back I was able to take courses 1 & 2 called "Your Art is your business". Which is annually in Wells, BC and very informative and lots of fun. The speaker I was interested in meeting on the 2nd course (2nd yr.) was Gary David Markovich, (successful etching artist) and his topics were; Marketing on the Net Pricing Artist guide to personal and professional success. He had worked out a formula of sales in art as he saw it. 95% of all art sold is under 200.00 95% ....2,2375,500.00 under 200.00 3.5%.... in the 200.00 - 750.00 range 1%.... in the 750.00 - 1500.00 range .05%... in the 1500.00 to 5,000.00, 5,000.00 to 10,000.00 and 10000.00 and up He had said, (which I beleive is true), is that people no longer buy "as much" art now a days as they use to because they're are buying more home entertainment ie; computers, stereo's and that sort of thing instead of putting things on their walls and such. A friend of mine is a rock carver and I watch his sales:) He does sell on the high end, but it appears he sells alot more on the lower end. Smiles,Cindy >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 10:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:10:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.161040.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-05 05:18:39 EDT, you write: << ***Why is football ALWAYS better funded than art? Whenever a school tax levy ***comes up, the schools threaten that if it doesn't pass, the football/sports ***programs will have to be cut. If it doesn't pass, art and music are cut. >> I hate to say this, I have always thought of football and other rough sports as a substitute for war. It appeals to that killer instinct. All you have to do, is just listen to a sports fan as they talk back to the TV. My father was the worst. And he never understood my need for doing arty things. I thank God every day my husband is also an arty person. He painting the library right now in a decorative texture. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 10:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why people don't buy art Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:30:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.163028.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-05 06:36:23 EDT, you write: << > ***Why is football ALWAYS better funded than art? The same is true here in Cincinnati. The voters in this county got dupped into a sales tax increase to fund a stadium for the Bengals,..... >> I live in Jacksonville, FL and you can't go anywhere without being hit over the head with Jaguar this and Jaguar that. Downtown has giant paw prints painted on the streets leading you to the stadium. And several buildings have Jaguars painted on them (does this constitute art?) I really don't have anything against sports. But my street hasn't been paved in 15 years ( a big sore spot with me) and the garage collection here is terrible. But by God, we have a brand new multi-million dollar stadium, paid for with my tax dollars. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 11:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New site, very nice Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:14:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.81410.0> References: <<199806051000.GAA14062@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Yes Goodness , Some of the installations challenge the technical aspect (I wonder how they did this one) http://www.derix.com/gallery13.html It rotates too!!! Beautiful. Some of the list members had a thread of suspended ceilings in stained glass, several of the gallery images show this type of installations. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Albert Lewis wrote: > > If you're interested, there's some nice glass at > http://www.derix.com/ > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 11:17:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New site, very nice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:37:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199806051814.OAA02775@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Some of the installations challenge the technical aspect (I wonder how > they did this one) > http://www.derix.com/gallery13.html > It rotates too!!! I can't even begin to imagine what its cost might have been. The scale is enormous - 32 feet in the longest dimension! - and the engineering needed to rotate it kinda boggles the mind. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 11:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:37:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Busy, busy Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:41:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199806051818.OAA03419@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Yesterday I had a request from a gallery owner for members of the Guild doing glass in Virginia, DC, North and South Carolina, and Tennessee. I'd been meaning to build that page for months and now I have finished and uploaded it. http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guildlis.htm Next: create banners to scatter all over the web inviting everyone to find a studio or glass artist near them. Now that the means is available for them to look it up, I might as well do that, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 11:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New site, very nice Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806051708.NAA11923@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Interesting concept the studio has. Really enjoyed it...thanks. my best, pj >If you're interested, there's some nice glass at >http://www.derix.com/ > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 12:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5BF5A27358C73D43FF59B95A" Subject: Ahh Football Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:38:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.33841.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5BF5A27358C73D43FF59B95A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Rick couldn't agree with you more. Although I have no room to complain Mr. Allen has quite a substantial amount of excess cash (he also owns the Portland Trailblazers lest we forget Nike). He also acquired his money by hard work, sort of rags to riches. Served in Vietnam and started his Nike bus. with combat buddies. He is also a major contributor to many different organizations all around the world. Washington State did not increase the sales tax, close to half of the new stadium is funded by Paul Allen. How much revenue does the State of Washington receive due to the Seahawks, well none of the voters could get a figure on that. Mr. Allen also sent each voter in this state a letter explaining his goals and future for the team if you can imagine that! I have always loved the Bengals but you sure can have your increased sales tax. Maybe Cincinnati should buy more Nike.... Regards~Pam the football fan --------------5BF5A27358C73D43FF59B95A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------5BF5A27358C73D43FF59B95A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 12:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Door panel repair,brass came Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:30:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.183020.0> Precedence: bulk While I;ve done many repairs of copper foil, lead came, and even zinc camed pieces, I'm currently facing the repalacemet of a cracked piece at the lower left corner of a door panel that is about 52" high, 24" wide, which is done in brass came. I've never worked with brass came. The piece to be replaced is rectangular, about 6"x10", and has only one rounded corner.The panel is held in the door with 1/4 round. Can I replace this without taking the panel out(is there any give in the brass came?) Or should I just figure on opening and re-soldering the joints. I know thaat this will have to be puttied, etc, but I was hoping that I might just be able to slip this in, and properly reglaze that section. Thanks in advance Richard Callahan Glassics, Inc. Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 12:43:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp36.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: Hope this is not offensive Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:38:20 -0400 Message-ID: <199806051838.OAA00328@ppp36.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998May27.15506.0>> Precedence: bulk Robert E Jones twists the bytes to say: Robert> On Wed, 27 May 1998, Glenn Spicer wrote: >> >From the sounds of this thread perhaps we should eliminate art galleries, theaters, and the Olympics while we are at it. >> Glenn Spicer, >> The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada Robert> No one said nor implied that! If art can't support itself, then it isn't Robert> something that people want to look at or don't enjoy. Why then should Robert> taxpayers be ask to support it. IF a gangster rapper asked for money so Robert> that he/she could make another albums to promote the killing of Robert> policeman, should we also give them money? Ahhh, the eternal feeling that the taxpayer knows best where to spend the money, so pervasive south of Canada and north of Mexico. Let the politicians decide, and if you don't like their choices, then don't reelect them --or run for office, that another choice. Taxes pay many, many things that people would never accept to pay if ask to, and they make our world better. -- Daniel M. German "Science can be esoteric The Economist -> technology has to be pragmatic" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 12:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp36.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:Where is Daniel when we need him? was: Okay, I call your bluff Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199806051901.PAA00346@ppp36.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998May28.115927.0>> Precedence: bulk I am certainly way behind this thread, but I'd like to express my voice. >> Albert, >> >> Please supply your resources from which you determined that "Most >> developed countries throughout the world proudly and thoroughly support >> the arts." >> >> >> Give me the statistics so I will shut my mouth - but I think there are >> no statistics to back the statement that we (the U.S.) are way behind - >> we spend more per capita on the arts (all arts) than most developed >> countries. Certainly I don't expect to see the former Soviet Union, >> China, Ireland, Poland, Mexico, Egypt or Scotland making the list. In >> fact, the only ones I can think may even fall on this list would be >> Canada, England, France and maybe Germany - hardly "most". And of those >> 4, I don't know that we are "way behind". Please, enlighten me. Albert, you miss an important point. The US is the country with the largest GDP of the world, in other words, the richest. Its GDP is around 100 times the one from Mexico with 4 times its population. No wonder you can spent more money in arts per capita and total than we (Mexicans) can. Let me draw an analogy. Lets assume we have two families: one in upper rich Silicon Valley and another in the Bronx. THe former has a combined income of 1 million and the latter one of 10,000. The former has decided to buy 5 highly sophisticated, nicely printed coffee-table painters books. Total cost $1000. The latter expends 20 dollars in the subway and tickets to go to a NY museum. Who has spent more? THe rich family spent 1 thousandth of their income in "art", while the poor family spent a five-hundredth. I would argue that for the poor it was a biggest strain and most likely a better, more educative experience (they saw the originals) while the rich family can praise for their good taste in books with their neighbors and potentially never even browse them. The point is how we spent our money to maximize our gain. That is the question that politicians have to answer. We, as a society --at least the part in which I live-- value art as an integral part of us and we expect the government to continue to fund galleries, museums and national monuments and potentially new artists. -- Daniel M. German "There is no democracy in physics. We can't say that some second-rate guy has as much right to opinion. Luiz Alvarez -> as Fermi" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 12:57:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why people don't buy ar Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:46:58 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.184658.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-05 14:40:21 EDT, you write: << I can top that. Baltimore is getting ready to open a brand new stadium for the Ravens this year. A stadium paid for not by the owner, but by tax $$$. But yet the owner gets to sell the naming rights to some corporation for millions of $$ . >> That's what they did here. Alltel Stadium---named for the phone company. Doesn't matter, no one calls it that. Everyone still called it the Gator Bowl. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 13:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp36.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:Ahh Football Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199806051921.PAA00363@ppp36.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jun5.33841.0>> Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan twists the bytes to say: Pamela> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Pamela> --------------5BF5A27358C73D43FF59B95A Pamela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pamela> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pamela> Well Rick couldn't agree with you more. Although I have no room to Pamela> complain Mr. Allen has quite a substantial amount of excess cash (he Pamela> also owns the Portland Trailblazers lest we forget Nike). He also Pamela> acquired his money by hard work, sort of rags to riches. Served in Pamela> Vietnam and started his Nike bus. with combat buddies. He is also a Pamela> major contributor to many different organizations all around the world. Pamela, I think you got the names wrong. Mr. Allen is a child of the technology revolution. The buddy of Billy Gates, he made most of his fortune out of Microsoft, he certainly worked hard, but not too hard. In his own words, "it was fun". He was at the right time at the right moment. He was the technical brain of Microsoft when it was a two persons company. I remember his stock in Microsoft rose in 3 months --before the vote-- enough to pay for the new stadium. They are businessmen, not dumb. The ones who appear dumb are the citizens of those cities who are sooo loyal to their teams that are willing to get screwed by them in an effort to keep them in their cities. The CEO of Nike --whose name I don't recall now-- was the one selling shoes from the trunk of his car. Pamela> Washington State did not increase the sales tax, close to half of the Pamela> new stadium is funded by Paul Allen. How much revenue does the State of Pamela> Washington receive due to the Seahawks, well none of the voters could Pamela> get a figure on that. Mr. Allen also sent each voter in this state a Pamela> letter explaining his goals and future for the team if you can imagine Pamela> that! I have always loved the Bengals but you sure can have your Pamela> increased sales tax. Maybe Cincinnati should buy more Nike.... Pamela> Regards~Pam the football fan -- Daniel M. German "The energy of the world is constant. Rudolf Clausius -> Its entropy tends to a maximum." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 14:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C4D810E4A6E6D188ED7F5CD3" Subject: Re: Football Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:50:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.65053.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C4D810E4A6E6D188ED7F5CD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Daniel I'm out of my purple haze for the day. Phil Knight own's Nike, shame on me. Regards~Pam --------------C4D810E4A6E6D188ED7F5CD3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------C4D810E4A6E6D188ED7F5CD3-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 15:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Arts funding Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:46:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199806052123.RAA15342@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Albert, you miss an important point. The US is the country with the > largest GDP of the world, in other words, the richest. Its GDP is > around 100 times the one from Mexico with 4 times its population. No > wonder you can spent more money in arts per capita and total than we > (Mexicans) can. Oh, I'm always missing points. But I note that, for example, Germany with its 80 million population at $40/year per cap average spends $3,240,000,000 while the U.S. with its 267.6 million population (7/97) at $.38 spends $101,690,000. In other words, Germans outspend Americans in the funding of the arts by a factor of 32:1. Embarrassing. What you say about rich families (countries) spending less percentage-wise assuming they're spending the same amount is true. Comparing American and German economies is pretty much apples to apples, though. The Mexican economy isn't nearly what those two are. > The point is how we spent our money to maximize our gain. That is the > question that politicians have to answer. We, as a society --at least > the part in which I live-- value art as an integral part of us and we > expect the government to continue to fund galleries, museums and > national monuments and potentially new artists. Well said and I agree absolutely. Not everyone who participated in this now mostly moribund conversation agreed, though, even though they themselves were active in the arts. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 15:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Ahh Football Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:46:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199806052123.RAA15333@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > fortune out of Microsoft, he certainly worked hard, but not too > hard. In his own words, "it was fun". He was at the right time at the > right moment. He was the technical brain of Microsoft when it was a > two persons company. Well, some of us think working 16 hours a day is fun, myself included and, I suspect, Mr. Allen. For other people, four hours a day is far too much and not fun at all. I'm not sure how much serendipity was involved in making Mr. Allen rich. Microsoft makes good products that "do the job." For that, any businessperson or, for that matter, artist/craftsperson, should be well rewarded. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 15:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: maine.rr.com!lmayhew1 From: Louise Maheux To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscription Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.134619.0> Precedence: bulk Please take me of your list to receive all the emails. Thank you, Louise Maheux address lmayhew1@maine.rr.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 16:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hope this is not offensive Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:30:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun5.223014.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-05 15:44:26 EDT, you write: << Ahhh, the eternal feeling that the taxpayer knows best where to spend the money, so pervasive south of Canada and north of Mexico. Let the politicians decide, and if you don't like their choices, then don't reelect them --or run for office, that another choice. Taxes pay many, many things that people would never accept to pay if ask to, and they make our world better. >> I don't want to start a fight. But I have a hard time when it comes to spending my tax dollars for a huge new stadium for the sole reason of drawing tourist to the city. When the city fathers won't spend even a small fraction of that "multi million dollars" to fix the streets of the taxpayers who live here, who are the ones who provide the tax money in the first place. We are talking 1/4 to 1/2 of all the streets in the city. Can't drive anywhere on the Westside or Southside and not hit a pothole. And they really need to train the garage collecters better. Two months ago I moved to this house, went out & bought a brand new extra large trash can on wheels, because I have a bad back. The second week I put out the trash the collectors threw the can in the middle of the street and danaged the wheels. It doesn't roll anymore. I called the garage collectors number in the city government pages of the phonebook, and got lied to about how a supervisor would come out and check it out. He never showed up. Now I have to *drag* the can to the street (can't afford a new one) and spend half the day laying on the heat pad. Last week they only emptied half the can and I had 2 week old garage hanging around in the lovely hot Florida weather. Next time they miss my garage I'm taking it down to the stadium and dumping it at the front gate. Bitter?? Noooo * I'm* not bitter. :( Dianne:::::::::who can't wait to leave this city, been trying to talk my husband into it for over a year. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 17:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tcsb.net!Tperri From: Tperri@tcsb.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: test Date: 5 Jun 1998 20:00:06 EDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk This is a test ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 17:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tcsb.net!Tperri From: Tperri@tcsb.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: surgeon pattern Date: 5 Jun 1998 19:55:04 EDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I am looking to make a panel for a surgeon friend of mine. I would appreciate any leads on patterns of doctors or any idea of what type of panel to make. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 5 18:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Tperri@tcsb.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: surgeon pattern Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun5.17524.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Tperri@tcsb.net wrote: > > I am looking to make a panel for a surgeon friend of mine. I would > appreciate any leads on patterns of doctors or any idea of what type of > panel to make. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's a book just on medical stuff, it's about $20.00 but... i forget the name, or who makes it. i'm sure someone on the list can remember. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 05:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Door panel repair,brass came Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:13:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun6.121354.0> Precedence: bulk Unfortunately Brass came is very unforgiving in my experience you will have to pull it out and take it apart. I use a gold paint pen to touch up the solder joints. It usually comes pretty close to a match. Good Luck!! Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 06:24:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: surgeon pattern Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806061236.FAA09841@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >I was looking thru some clipart in the medical and think that the medical symbol would look nice. And if you could incorporate the person's name and title in a sandblasting or acid cream etching that would really personalize it. Cindy > >Tperri@tcsb.net wrote: >> >> I am looking to make a panel for a surgeon friend of mine. I would >> appreciate any leads on patterns of doctors or any idea of what type of >> panel to make. >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > >-- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 07:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Eiore From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:01:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun6.1419.0> Precedence: bulk I don't want all these messages no more. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 09:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio # 26 Pamela Burns-Tappan Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.43725.0> Precedence: bulk Well I must say I don't believe I am old enough for a bio, but will give it a shot. Lived a John and Yoko reckless, wild and fun adolescence that at times continues today. Modeled and Married at 21 a dysfunctional revert and had a wonderful daughter out of the deal. She is 12, well almost 12 going on 25. Divorced the dysfunctional revert (we are best of friends now) when I caught the 7 year itch and married my current spouse who was my high school sweetheart. Decided that I should develop my inner self and express some positive creativity, well that's what my therapist said I should do anyway. So I started designing jewelry using sterling silver and gemstones, ahhh gemstones, good therapeutic advise. Although my current husband would call it an excuse to spend money. The dewalt tools will tell that story anyway, in the meantime I ran another business, a daycare for kids from 0 to 5 years of age and became pregnant with my second child he is 2 today. Decided that I will not have another child for fear my mental health bills will be too high. My obsession, passion, love and joy is stained glass oh yeah, and my kids too. My favorite stained glass projects involve stepping stones. I don't like to do what everyone else has done so I keep my stones very unique. I'm still involved in designing jewelry, glass painting, beaded lampshades using Swarovski Austrian crystals mostly and interior design. The project I have on my work table at the moment is a stained glass low voltage yard light. Drawback to this: Now all of my neighbors want them for their place, my sister in Santa Barbara wants them for her place, my other sister is too busy swimming with the dolphins in the Bahamas to care. So I will be working on this for the rest of the summer season I believe. I was fortunate to find and appreciate art later in life than none at all. My most difficult hurdle to overcome had nothing whatsoever to do with art but what I'm typing on at this very moment, my friend and yours the computer. Bought one without even the slightest clue on how to turn it on let alone run programs. Learned this in 2 months and had my web page up and running. Went back into therapy after that. Have found the diversity among artists here to be highly entertaining, enriching and thought provoking. So I leave you all with this little thought for the day. Art is a higher type of knowledge than experience~ Aristotle Regards~Pamela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 09:34:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio # 26 Mike Hiester Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:45:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.4459.0> Precedence: bulk Born: April 24, 1952 Currently living in Charleston , SC with my wife , Jan, and two daughters (aged 19 and 13, both occasionally work with glass). I moved to Charleston after receiving a BA from Wake Forest University to complete a masters degree in Marine Science. That was twenty years ago and a lot happened along the way. The masters degree never got finished. I did food service for ten years, and finally fell into a situation that would lead to glass. I am presently employed by Tricia Studios, a small frame shop that carries supplies for glass hobbyists. About six years ago we decided to enter the retail field when it became difficult to find supplies for my own work. I was largely self-taught in copper foil, wanted to move on to lead, didn't know what was available, and was basically lost. After taking an introductory class with Bruce Henning (amazing what you can learn from an instructor) it was obvious the Charleston needed a supplier at the hobby level. Being a retail supplier is a lot more than just order it and sell it. I subscribed to the Stained Glass Association of America Quarterly , Glass Art, Glass Pattern Quarterly, and joined the Art Glass Suppliers Association, in an effort to learn as much as possible. The interesting thing was that the more I learned, the more interested I became in the various aspects of glass. I have also been instructing through the Community Education Program for the past three years. My own work consist primarily of an occasional commission (I love doors and transoms) and small panels that showcase either new glass of different techniques. Perhaps the greatest plus to my work is the relationship I still enjoy with Charleston Stained Glass (a large, full service studio on the other side of town). On occasion I have sub-contracted work for them, and they are always available for consultations. We also make referrals in both directions. And it's always fun to go up and drool over the tables when they are working on a large window or restoration. As far as other distractions (a father of two teenage girls really doesn't need many :)) I enjoy gardening, woodworking, sailing, and pottery. Clay is lots of fun and you can really get your hands in it. The discussions of art vs. craft that are continually expounded upon in Ceramics Monthly are surprisingly similar to those in the glass groups. Refreshing and sometimes dogmatic, but worth pondering. In some ways pottery has helped to develop my glass expressions more than actually playing with glass, but oh how I love to play with glass. Enough of that. I'm hoping to exhibit a piece in Houston during the annual SGAA meeting. I believe the exhibit is "Celebrate the Magic of Light". Not sure of the title, the entry form is out in the garage. Thanks, Mike Hiester ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 09:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: surgeon pattern Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:09:39 -0400 Message-ID: <199806061601.MAA19460@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk I found some really great books with clip art (copyright-free designs) by Dover Books. There was one just devoted to medical images. They are wonderful to pull into GlassEye as a background and then you can do your design on top of the image. Cost: US$5.95 per book, 500-600 black/white illustrations. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! > Tperri@tcsb.net wrote: > > > > I am looking to make a panel for a surgeon friend of mine. I would > > appreciate any leads on patterns of doctors or any idea of what type of > > panel to make. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 10:19:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Eiore@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun6.83031.0> References: <<1998Jun6.1419.0>> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Jun 1998 Eiore@aol.com wrote: > I don't want all these messages no more. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 11:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Door panel repair,brass came Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.92841.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Stan- Rather than a gold paint pen to touch up the solder joints, we use a product called Rub n Buf that = you can buy at art supply stores. Artists have long used it to touch up gilt frames, and we like the look of it a little better. Comes in Antique gold and regular. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 15:24:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Nike (was Ahh Football) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980605224124.007b1220@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1998Jun5.33841.0>> Precedence: bulk I am sure that the sports gear orientated members will correct me if I am wrong - but I am sure recently on our TV I saw a programme about Nike, showing us the UK family firm that set it up and I think still owns it. A surprise to me as I'd always thought it was a South African company. Of course I was foiling up a heap of glass pieces at the time, so I may have misunderstood :-) Elizabeth Law Bournemouth Stained Glass htp://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 16:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Not Offensive..... Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:36:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun6.223651.0> Precedence: bulk Wow! What a passionate, animated, controversial, contenscious, unsettling, informative, enlightening, humorous (& sometimes, not so humerous), thought- provoking, discussion. I shall never again think passive thoughts about the NEA. ( am still reading messages from 5/29, with still a lot more to go).....Should have printed them all out and assembled them into a booklet titled Pros and Cons of NEA, Compiled From People Who CARE With What's Going On In The World Around Them.........then mailed it to the New York Times for publication on provocative themes. Or, better yet, "To Whom It May Concern" in the US government. In any event, you're all fantastic! Lavergne. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 17:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp10.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: To make it official... Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 20:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: <199806070004.UAA00655@ppp10.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk You can submit images again for the gallery. Remember, check the instructions before you do so. -- Daniel M. German "One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and Andrew Koenig -> an imaginary part." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 20:25:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.183716.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BD919B.A8144120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please remove my name from the list Thank you ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BD919B.A8144120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BD919B.A8144120-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 21:24:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 20:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: support question Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 22:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.174254.0> Precedence: bulk Lurker Tracy here....that's me standing up waving my hands in the section by third base, well actually way over by the outfield, and I've got a question to pose (keep in mind I'm still fairly new at stained glass)...I want to build a long, narrow panel, approximately 6"-7" wide and 54" long...it will be hung horizontally. I haven't started the design yet (hehehe...learning to ask a question or two first before spending time on a design only to have to re-design it... :>). I want to foil it, and besides finishing it in probably zinc, where (assuming need be) does there have to be support throughout the piece? If so, is there a particular design/style that would make this easy to incorporate? I'm visualizing something geometric so it's mostly going to be straight lines. It's going to hang in front of a light above a kitchen sink, in between two cabinets. Thanks for any help!!! Gotta sit down now...looks like the bases are loaded in the Bungi game and want to keep up with what else is going on (besides, the guy selling peanuts is coming back around). ;> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 22:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: support question Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 00:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: <199806070442.AAA13886@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk I want to build a long, >narrow panel, approximately 6"-7" wide and 54" long...it >will be hung horizontally. I haven't started the design yet >(hehehe...learning to ask a question or two first before >spending time on a design only to have to re-design it... >:>). I want to foil it, and besides finishing it in >probably zinc, where (assuming need be) does there have to >be support throughout the piece? Hi Tracy, I would make it in two or three pieces, kind of equal in width, and separate with round h-came (I think it comes in zinc) which will be virtually indistinguishable from your solder lines, if you keep them silver. If you use geometric shapes, it should be easy to design so you have room for one or two straight vertical lines going from top to bottom. You make your two or three different parts, designed to match up, and slide them into the H-came then support the whole thing with a zinc u-came all around. I've done this twice and both times it worked like a charm. Good luck! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 6 23:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7F04086F746AC83F6D2A74D3" Subject: Re: Ahh Football Again Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 22:24:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun6.15246.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7F04086F746AC83F6D2A74D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Elizabeth, Phil Knight is CEO of Nike here's his story. Ya Hoo! http://info.nike.com/story_nj.html And I stand corrected, Paul Allen owns the Portland Trailblazers and Seattle Seahawks here's the low down on him. Does anyone care, oh probably not but what the heck. http://www.paulallen.com/press/mtext/articles_book.html Sincerely, Pam --------------7F04086F746AC83F6D2A74D3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7F04086F746AC83F6D2A74D3-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 00:31:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Northernlights@pobox.com Subject: support question Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:47:16, -0500 Message-ID: <199806070647.CAA19896@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Lurker Tracy wrote: >>.I want to build a long, narrow panel, approximately 6"-7" wide and 54" long...it will be hung horizontally. I haven't started the design yet (hehehe...learning to ask a question or two first before spending time on a design only to have to re-design it... :>). I want to foil it, and besides finishing it in probably zinc, where (assuming need be) does there have to be support throughout the piece? If so, is there a particular design/style that would make this easy to incorporate? I'm visualizing something geometric so it's mostly going to be straight lines. It's going to hang in front of a light above a kitchen sink, in between two cabinets. Thanks for any help!!!<< I like the idea of framing this panel in 1" X 1 3/4" oak frame stock. This is a standard size that is available in 72" lengths. There is a 54" unsupported span that the metal framing commonly available is not up to without risk of sagging. If you choose the oak, 1/2" flat H lead will be plenty good for the border and fit nicely into the grove in the standard frame stock. No other special reinforcement should be necessary. You might consider mounting the side pieces of the oak frame to the cabinets and adjust the width of the panel accordingly. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *I am not a control freak, just do it my way.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 03:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.cal.shaw.wave.ca!klmok From: "Kelvin Mok" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Homebuilt Kilns Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:10:38 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, I was given your email address to seek information about homebuilt kilns for metal and jewelry working. What I have in mind is a kiln about the size of a large microwave oven. Any information you can provide will be much appreciated. Thank you. ----- Kelvin Mok (klmok@shaw.wave.ca) Home: (403) 463-4099 | Home FAX: (403) 430-7120 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 06:37:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 06:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!otrbanks From: "AHOY MATE!!!!!" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.5433.0> Precedence: bulk I have tried this once but have never gotten anything. Please tell me what I am doing wrong! I have followed the directions given. Thank You, T. Jennings otrbanks@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 11:09:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: kiln Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:13:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.61347.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, I was waiting for someone to reply to the kiln question that was asked on Friday. I to want to buy a kiln, but am unsure of which kiln to buy. I have heard Evenheat, then Jen-kiln and also Paragon are good. I want to be able to slump lamp shades as well as make plates. Please help. Thanks Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 11:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F312D90B719A38E154F2E9CE" Subject: [Fwd: Pam's low voltage] Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.32649.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F312D90B719A38E154F2E9CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent this to Lenore this morning, if anyone wants a craft project, here's one --------------F312D90B719A38E154F2E9CE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <357ACCC5.EF7F3460@pacifier.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:24:21 -0700 From: Pamela Burns-Tappan Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lenore Subject: Pam's low voltage Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning Lenore, Well I buy the low voltage outdoor lights at my local Home Base building supply store. I used to buy the Malibu carriage style, but have found they are discontinued (Darn it, these were the best). So I usually buy the style that has the most clear plastic on it. Then I assemble the light according to manufacturer directions. Then I take "Goop" brand marine grade glue, and I mosaic my stained glass pieces on the clear plastic and on the top cap of the light, this is plastic as well, kind of finishes off the top of the light if you do this. I might add, I use this kind of Goop because it allows expansion and contraction, I really don't want my glass to fall apart and break so this works great if you use this adhesive. Next, I grout everything but the yard stake and cylindrical piece of the light. Meaning: You have the light itself, then the round, long piece which the stake slides into. Grout everything but that, it won't last long if you grout that piece. Pick out your favorite color of grout. My sister in Santa Barbara is going for a more goldish color, beautiful. I use Polyblend products. There are a few you have to special order, because they are awesome colors so they charge an arm and a leg for these, but pretty none the less. You finish by wiping off the grout to get your lines and glass pieces smooth and of course so the glass show's though! If you need tips on grouting these let me know and I would be more than happy to tell you how to do it. I seal them with Thompsons patio lustre after they have dried for a couple of days. The one problem I have had is strengthening the grout. This is the drawback to this technique. I have found the grout stays on the clear plastic really well, but think I need to use a grout additive to be extra sure the grout stays on the top, either that, or keep the kids from hitting them with the basketball. I've had the lights out in freezing weather and major hot spells and no problems. Prettiest glass to use in the yard lights, iridescent or heck any color of clear actually. Best of all, CHEAP, luxury! These are absolutly beautiful in the yard and you don't pay and arm and a leg for beauty. And nobody but nobody has these in their yard unless you make them yourself. I will work on sending you a pic, but I don't have one at the moment. That will be my project for the day, promise! I'll get you one this week. And the price for you to make them would be $8.00 per light, add the glue, glass and grout, per light oh about maybe $12.00. I sell them for $25.00 a piece, but not to my family, they usually get them for free! I'm too nice. And of course you need the wiring and low voltage box that the manufacturer sells too. Another suggestion, get some long PVC piping, sand it, primer it, spray paint it and insert your yard light on top. So your yard light would be high. One of my neighbors did this around her hot tub, really pretty. I have also put up a cedar planter on the outside of my house in between 2 large windows. Planted flowers in it, bought some really long ivy at the craft store and inserted a stained glass yard light in there. OOOOOH MY, very pretty! And the beads, I go through the best place. Fire Mountain Gems here's there addy: http://www.firemtn.com/ I think you can order a catalog online from them. They are the cheapest place I've found for Swarovski crystals. And yes the beads are beautiful, I just die every time I get an order of them. An example of prices would be: 4mm-Aqua-order 1-3 packages for $6.13 each. The price gets lower after that. I haven't found anyone else so cheap, and they have lot's of other beautiful and inexpensive products too. Their Dichroic beads, well of course they are real expensive. I don't buy much in that area. Oh 100 beads come in the packages for crystals. Can you do the outdoor light project yourself, oh yeah, very easy!! Let me know if I can help in any way, be more than happy too! Have a good one~ Pam --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B-- --------------F312D90B719A38E154F2E9CE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------F312D90B719A38E154F2E9CE-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 11:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EE16172DBA75E46C5A15004" Subject: [Fwd: Pam's low voltage] Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:27:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.3278.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3EE16172DBA75E46C5A15004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent this to Lenore this morning, if anyone wants a craft project, here's one Regards~Pam --------------3EE16172DBA75E46C5A15004 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <357ACCC5.EF7F3460@pacifier.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:24:21 -0700 From: Pamela Burns-Tappan Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lenore Subject: Pam's low voltage Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning Lenore, Well I buy the low voltage outdoor lights at my local Home Base building supply store. I used to buy the Malibu carriage style, but have found they are discontinued (Darn it, these were the best). So I usually buy the style that has the most clear plastic on it. Then I assemble the light according to manufacturer directions. Then I take "Goop" brand marine grade glue, and I mosaic my stained glass pieces on the clear plastic and on the top cap of the light, this is plastic as well, kind of finishes off the top of the light if you do this. I might add, I use this kind of Goop because it allows expansion and contraction, I really don't want my glass to fall apart and break so this works great if you use this adhesive. Next, I grout everything but the yard stake and cylindrical piece of the light. Meaning: You have the light itself, then the round, long piece which the stake slides into. Grout everything but that, it won't last long if you grout that piece. Pick out your favorite color of grout. My sister in Santa Barbara is going for a more goldish color, beautiful. I use Polyblend products. There are a few you have to special order, because they are awesome colors so they charge an arm and a leg for these, but pretty none the less. You finish by wiping off the grout to get your lines and glass pieces smooth and of course so the glass show's though! If you need tips on grouting these let me know and I would be more than happy to tell you how to do it. I seal them with Thompsons patio lustre after they have dried for a couple of days. The one problem I have had is strengthening the grout. This is the drawback to this technique. I have found the grout stays on the clear plastic really well, but think I need to use a grout additive to be extra sure the grout stays on the top, either that, or keep the kids from hitting them with the basketball. I've had the lights out in freezing weather and major hot spells and no problems. Prettiest glass to use in the yard lights, iridescent or heck any color of clear actually. Best of all, CHEAP, luxury! These are absolutly beautiful in the yard and you don't pay and arm and a leg for beauty. And nobody but nobody has these in their yard unless you make them yourself. I will work on sending you a pic, but I don't have one at the moment. That will be my project for the day, promise! I'll get you one this week. And the price for you to make them would be $8.00 per light, add the glue, glass and grout, per light oh about maybe $12.00. I sell them for $25.00 a piece, but not to my family, they usually get them for free! I'm too nice. And of course you need the wiring and low voltage box that the manufacturer sells too. Another suggestion, get some long PVC piping, sand it, primer it, spray paint it and insert your yard light on top. So your yard light would be high. One of my neighbors did this around her hot tub, really pretty. I have also put up a cedar planter on the outside of my house in between 2 large windows. Planted flowers in it, bought some really long ivy at the craft store and inserted a stained glass yard light in there. OOOOOH MY, very pretty! And the beads, I go through the best place. Fire Mountain Gems here's there addy: http://www.firemtn.com/ I think you can order a catalog online from them. They are the cheapest place I've found for Swarovski crystals. And yes the beads are beautiful, I just die every time I get an order of them. An example of prices would be: 4mm-Aqua-order 1-3 packages for $6.13 each. The price gets lower after that. I haven't found anyone else so cheap, and they have lot's of other beautiful and inexpensive products too. Their Dichroic beads, well of course they are real expensive. I don't buy much in that area. Oh 100 beads come in the packages for crystals. Can you do the outdoor light project yourself, oh yeah, very easy!! Let me know if I can help in any way, be more than happy too! Have a good one~ Pam --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------4E3F69335CBCD319F639FE8B-- --------------3EE16172DBA75E46C5A15004 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3EE16172DBA75E46C5A15004-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 11:40:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Nike (was Ahh Football) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:35:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.193540.0> Precedence: bulk At 19:20 06/06/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Are you sure it was Nike and not Reebok? The former is -I am >positive-- American. THe latter is British. > > Yes, Daniel, on looking at Nike's website they are definitely american - it must have been Reebok they were talking about - and this would also explain why I had thought they were South African. Pamela, thanks also for your input - I checked out the site you gave me. As you can probably tell I am not a sports-type person. Elizabeth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 20:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Argh. Restrip question Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:20:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.182050.0> Precedence: bulk Any advice on using restrip? I should have asked before I tried this on my own. I wanted to add strength to a project. Remember the poppy that was in SGN? Well, I enlarged it, incorporated some fusing, and since the zinc border doesn't go all the way around, I was going to put the restrip around it. Just figured out that that wasn't necessary, and my dear husband is up there trying to remove the restrip. He got a little concerned when I was hunting for razor blades. Well, the first time I tried it, the restrip pulled the foil off the poppy. I thought this was because I'd used the silver back foil (now in the trash, and I will **never** buy silver again). The whole project came apart quite easily (kind of frightening) with very little de-soldering. I re-did the whole thing with some brand new black back foil. Much better adhesive. In two very tiny places, the foil pulled away again. Nothing like with the silver though. I'm hoping I can take off the restrip and salvage the project and that it's not a big mess. After studying it again, and how it will hang, I realized that the restrip isn't necessary the way I thought, but I'd still like to know how to use the darn stuff. My retailer has never used it, and his only advice was to tin it first. On top of this, my retailer had lent me a demo iron to try, a Hexacon (?) Phenix. Really nice, fast iron. I really liked it except the tip kept getting cruddy. I know he'd lent it to someone else before giving it to me. Like I said, I really liked it...........until it snapped when I was rubbing the tip on the tinning block. I don't look forward to explaing that one. Any advice on using restrip would be greatly appreciated before I ever try it again. Now I understand what the string on the Morton thingy is for that everyone was talking about earlier. ____ / | Jerri O/ | | | ^ ~~ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 20:59:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'Glass Group'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD9269.5437B400" Subject: Fremont Glass & Ficher Glass Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun7.19922.0> Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9269.5437B400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, Has anybody heard of Fremont and Ficher glass. If so who = manufactures it and where can one purchase this kind of Glass. A friend = of mine who lives in PA, asked me help her find a source. She is about = 2 1/2 hours south east of Buffalo NY. In our phone convercation today, = she throught maybe the manufactures might be in either Calif. or = Canada. An help will be appreciated. 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Restrip question Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 23:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199806080343.XAA22151@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > Any advice on using restrip? Hi Jerri, The restrip is used to go down in between the copper foil pieces, after you foil and before you solder. It should be used from edge to edge, that's what gives your panel added strength. If your piece is horizontal, then do a couple of them from side to side, and if it's vertical go from top to bottom. I was told to make an "X" (compromise?), of course at the center you'd have to fudge a bit. Yes, I remember the poppy and have it on my list of to-do's. Since you're putting zinc around most of it and just leaving the poppy, probably nothing more is needed than a good bead on the poppy part, or if you wish, soldering some wire around the edge of the poppy would give it some more strength. Good luck, let me know how it came out! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 21:51:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: kiln Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806072016.NAA00148@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sun Jun 7 11:12:31 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue >From: Sue Prullage >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: kiln >Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:13:47 -0600 >Precedence: bulk >Hi Sue, I'm not a kiln authority,.... but I own an Olympic glass kiln. I bought it, because it was close at hand. And one reason that I can see in deciding, is inside size, mine is 20 x 30 x 9. I believe they all work the same,... people's tastes may differ, but I've found mine to work very well. I slump alot of plates and find I can do 2 at a time with my size of kiln. Also for fusing flat I can put in a second shelf. Deciding on features to add like programble kiln sitter maybe the question to ask. (Lets one not to have to baby sit, but one still has to flash vent, darn.) Cindy >Hello, I was waiting for someone to reply to the kiln question that was >asked on Friday. I to want to buy a kiln, but am unsure of which kiln >to buy. I have heard Evenheat, then Jen-kiln and also Paragon are >good. I want to be able to slump lamp shades as well as make plates. >Please help. Thanks Sue >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 21:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Thistles Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:12:32 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun8.01232.0> Precedence: bulk Regarding the thistle pattern I posted about. It is NOT in the Stained Glass Basics book. It is in a book called Stained Glass Patterns and Projects. Page 50. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 22:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Argh. Restrip question Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:12:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199806080412.AAA13762@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Jerri wrote: >>On top of this, my retailer had lent me a demo iron to try, a Hexacon (?) Phenix. Really nice, fast iron. I really liked it except the tip kept getting cruddy. I know he'd lent it to someone else before giving it to me. Like I said, I really liked it...........until it snapped when I was rubbing the tip on the tinning block. I don't look forward to explaing that one. Any advice on using restrip would be greatly appreciated before I ever try it again.<< Never had an iron snap (in two, or otherwise). If it is just the tip that is broken it is no great loss. To my way of thinking tips are consumable items. Perhaps the cladding on the tip was eaten through and this defect caused it to crud up and snap. I use restrip in brass or hardened copper or copper plated steel in about 1/3rd of a project. when necessary. Select well spaced long runs and obvious weak points. Do not like to use it around the border of a project because it is hard to hide. Often use twisted copper wire for this purpose. IMO there is no need to tin restrip. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnamt? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 22:32:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, stepsue@ezl.com Subject: kiln Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:25:16, -0500 Message-ID: <199806080425.AAA10266@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Hello, I was waiting for someone to reply to the kiln question that was asked on Friday. I to want to buy a kiln, but am unsure of which kiln to buy. I have heard Evenheat, then Jen-kiln and also Paragon are good. I want to be able to slump lamp shades as well as make plates. Please help. Thanks Sue<< Go to http://www.paragonweb.com for a rather good description of glass kilns and controllers. I have their 28" diameter glass kiln with a Digital Temperature Controller and can not say enough good about it. Believe the other two kiln companies can be found on the web also. I was waiting to respond because not all the links on the Paragon site seemed to be working. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnamt? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 7 22:45:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, tbyrnes@snet.net Subject: Fremont Glass & Ficher Glass Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:52:16, -0500 Message-ID: <199806080452.AAA17500@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> Has anybody heard of Fremont and Ficher glass. If so who = manufactures it and where can one purchase this kind of Glass. A friend = of mine who lives in PA, asked me help her find a source. She is about = 2 1/2 hours south east of Buffalo NY. In our phone convercation today, = she throught maybe the manufactures might be in either Calif. or = Canada. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Tim Byrnes<< Fremont is made in the USA and available at S. A. Benheim in Passaic, NJ (800 221-7379). A. C. Fisher is German and is available at Hollander Glass East in Glendale, NY (800 221-6207). Fremont glass is nice but the A. C. Fisher line is far more extensive. Either way expect exceptionaly beautiful glass that cuts like butter. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnamt? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 05:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fremont Glass & Fischer Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:19:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199806081200.IAA12073@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > >> Has anybody heard of Fremont and Ficher glass. If so who = > manufactures it and where can one purchase this kind of Glass. Fremont and Fischer are both "full antique" glasses, that is to say they're mouth-blown, as is Lamberts, another German glass. To see how the glass is manufactured, take a look at http://www.lamberts.de/efertigu.htm Fremont is manufactured in Seattle, Washington and their glass is carried by most if not all wholesalers. Fremont Antique Glass, 3614 2nd Avenue N.W., Seattle WA 98107. Phone: (206) 633-2253. Fischer is manufactured in Germany by C&R Loo, carried by C&R Loo in California and their glass is carried by most if not all wholesalers. C&R Loo, Inc., 1085 Essex Avenue, Richmond CA 94801. Phone: (510) 232-0276. (800) 227-1780 US & Canada. Fax: (510) 232-7810. Web site: http://www.crloo.com To find answers to questions like this, we maintain the Sources Guide online and update it almost daily: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 05:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kiln Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:19:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199806081200.IAA12066@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > to buy. I have heard Evenheat, then Jen-kiln and also Paragon are > good. I want to be able to slump lamp shades as well as make plates. Sue, if you decide on a Jen-Ken, you can get a 20% discount on Jen-Ken kilns both glass & ceramic; all new elec. furnace from Centre De Verre, 18 Bartlett Street, Allenstown NH 03275. Phone: (603) 485-8749. Fax: (603) 485-8344. They offer that discounts to members of the Guild. And there are several other discounts in the kiln and kiln controllers area listed among the other 50-some companies that offer them at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 05:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: sunflower panel Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199806081124.HAA12887@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: HILLHD1@aol.com > To: dany@city-net.com > Subject: sunflower panel > Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 5:32 PM > > I love sunflowers & slowly decorating my kitchen with them. Where did you get > the pattern? or your original design? Karlene Hill glass hobbiest & bungi > member. Sorry, I can't claim ownership of this pattern - glad you like it. It's from "A Touch of Tiffany" by Patrice Lampton. CKE Publications. It's a book filled with beautiful patterns. Enjoy! Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 07:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:04:42 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun8.14442.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone I've got another question. I would like to sell some of my projects to pay for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a sales tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? We live in a resort area, and I would like to approach some of the gift shops. Any ideas, comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 09:04:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fremont Glass & Fischer Glass Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806081448.HAA17372@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi all, Just visited Lamberts...wow. Just love it, why cut it? I'd put it in a window just as it is! Thanks, Albert for the info! I'm taking a trip next week to buy some Lamberts flashed black on clear. Sure hope I can find some more. My eye caught s243, s13, s19 or s20 as very, very nice! > > > >To see how the glass is manufactured, take a look at >http://www.lamberts.de/efertigu.htm > > > > >To find answers to questions like this, we maintain the Sources Guide >online and update it almost daily: >http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm > >Albert > >Albert Lewis, Executive Director >International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. >A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association >54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 >(413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 >_____________________________________________ >Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ >Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm >Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm >Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm >Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 10:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:47:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun8.164728.0> Precedence: bulk its fairly easy to do, just call your state sales tax office and ask for a tax id # they will set you up to pay sales tax, and depending how much you sell will then send you forms every month, quarter or year to fill out. If you are going to sell to a shop that is going to resell then you have to have them fill out a resale certificate and you don't charge tax on that. Now also keep in mind once you have a tax # you can't claim it as a hobby any more and your 2 free garage sales aren't free anymore you will then have to charge tax on EVERYTHING you sell. keep a separate folder for all you sales and supplies for the end of the year cause now you will be a sole proprieter. deb In a message dated 98-06-08 10:51:14 EDT, you write: > I've got another question. I would like to sell some of my projects to pay > for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a > sales > tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? > > We live in a resort area, and I would like to approach some of the gift > shops. > > Any ideas, comments or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 12:16:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199806081904.PAA01119@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I've got another question. I would like to sell some of my projects to pay > for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a sales > tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? Alex, whether you have to actually set up a business depends on your local requirements. Alex Lastname doing business as (dba) Fine Arts Gallery, for instance, might not need a license, since you're operating as an individual, but using a fictitious name ("Fine Arts Gallery"). Check with your local zoning board, too, to see if you're allowed to operate out of your home. Tax ID? Not necessary unless you sell retail. Then you're usually required to collect sales taxes on your sales and remit the money to your state. Do you get paid for collecting and sending in their tax? No. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 14:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.123331.0> References: <<1998Jun8.14442.0>> Precedence: bulk Alex, What you have to do probably depends on your state. In Connecticut, it costs very little to get a sales tax license (it was $20 when I got mine years ago. It is renewed every two years for free.) I also have to send in the sales tax I've collected, but since I am so small, I only have to do that yearly not quarterly). If I sold for re-sale, I'd have to have a re-sale certificate from everyone I sold to, and I have to show those sales as no sales tax. The good thing is that I don't have to pay sales tax on my supplies (glass and foil and solder and night lights, etc., are all bought for re-sale!) check with your state tax department about specifics for your area. Good luck. Dorothy K AlexG2@aol.com wrote: > . I would like to sell some of my projects to pay > for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a sales > tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? > > We live in a resort area, and I would like to approach some of the gift shops. > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 15:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: nice work website Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 14:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk http://www.diac.com/~stine/gallery.html --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 15:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybersol.com!TWLARRY From: TWLARRY@cybersol.com (Nordhoff, Larry) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: COE Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.12836.0> Organization: Trade Winds Precedence: bulk I have a problem that someone may be able to help me with. I was able to pick up a sample pack of glass all marked by manufacture. I have had no problem using the busleye to fuse with spectrum but don't have a clue as to the other manufactures COE specks. Do any of you have approxament specks for various manufactures? I am aware that just the name does not mean they are compatable with one another. I am making cabs with 90 coe dicroic inbetween. It can get expensive to experment. I also do lampwork with stained glass. Best Regards, Larry Nordhoff ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 16:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: application/x-nextmail Subject: Re: nice work website Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 15:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk begin 600 .tar.726.Re__nice_work_websit.attach M'YV0+EX`&$BPH,&#"!,J7,BPH4.$(&C`N'&C!@@`(&+8F%&#QD40($'"^!BR MI$B0-FK,N`$CI0T;,D#&@#'3!L8:#W/JW,FS)X`Z<^B$D0,2P!@T0]FD*>/3 MX!TT9%S(H6-FJ]FS`&:VM.$1HT:.;4V.Q&@R M(PP9,5"J9.D2IDR-;#'"0$NX\,^@0XL>3;KTZM.H4PU+GDRYLM4Y;^3(R<," M1!HZ)^:`0$.'#AP=+U[<6>V"3)HP8UR,>=/FA9^@7".J-!15X[\4'`@I4R`%;'B!P]UD;8;CA1@HBH!R2F`1\=\M%G'WZT[<<='&SDT0(5;YQWXXCNZ1C??/7=)QMM"B!YWA!(R?&; M:%/`\9D>P*&WF)9+`1&&'BX$I:)W%:I:V2X<4*E@,JQA@N@@IJ& M:)A-5UY79X`P1QUPT#='&8V^`8(8B(X1AI="*05FHTB!)IH;;]#QP[`@71%C MI73(>E2=@GX&PAN4N@`2%4A%.D<(Q6&9%'4@=/EEF'=T2$=VQ?D``BNDF8:: M:JRY!IN;MN'FAFZ\^09<'L+1T08;"NQGV;\`!RSPP`07;/#!"">L\,(,-^SP MPQ!'+/'$%%=L\<489ZSQQAQW[/''((L\\X\]^SSST`'+?301!=M]-%()ZWTTDPW[?334$SS ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 17:19:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: kiln Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:26:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.92616.0> Precedence: bulk I have a Skutt octagon (http://www.skutt.com). They make both top-firing and side-firing. I've been very happy with it. L. Spangler On Sunday, June 07, 1998 11:14 AM, Sue Prullage [SMTP:stepsue@ezl.com] wrote: > Hello, I was waiting for someone to reply to the kiln question that was > asked on Friday. I to want to buy a kiln, but am unsure of which kiln > to buy. I have heard Evenheat, then Jen-kiln and also Paragon are > good. I want to be able to slump lamp shades as well as make plates. > Please help. Thanks Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 17:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: business requirements Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:31:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.93138.0> Precedence: bulk A fine idea to "start" a business to help pay for your hobby/habit. Keep volumes of careful records. When in doubt, create more paperwork....Should you EVER be audited, mountains of redundancy are impressive and shows you know what you have. My auto parts business was scrutinized (in New Jersey) and the thing that saved me was hundreds of papers organized and presented one at a time until the auditor had enough. An extra bonus is to "run a business at a loss" for a few years as well. Uncle is not expecting you to show a profit the first year you start. Here in Oregon,we have no sales tax, so no extra bookkeeping for that. It is also fun to try to explain to wholesalers that I have no "re-sale# "because...................... " enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 17:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: nice work website Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 16:57:19 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk this is what i meant to say, in a less-mime equivalent fashion. hope this goes ok. > sorry, it's http://www.diac.com/~stine/gallery.htm Begin forwarded message: Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:40:16 -0500 From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" Reply-To: Northernlights@pobox.com To: Charles Spitzer Subject: Re: nice work website tried the link but it didn't work.....is something supposed to be capitalized that's not??? Want to check it out. Thanks! Charles Spitzer wrote: > http://www.diac.com/~stine/gallery.html > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 19:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Restrip Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:40:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.174029.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for all the responses about restrip. I've learned a hard lesson. A friend did a large (32") angel and put restrip around the whole thing for strength. It looked great, so I thought I'd try it. I was concerned about connecting the zinc to the foil on the poppy since the zinc doesn't go all the way around. (And besides, it doesn't even say on the darn package how to use the restrip :} ) After all this frustration, my husband looked at the panel and pointed out that the place I was worried about isn't going to take the most stress anyway. I will grudgingly admit that I was so into the glass and fusing part of the project that I wasn't thinking as much about mechanics until I started putting it together. Next time I will have it planned out before I cut the first piece of glass. I'll also ask before I just try something next time! Funny how I was so thrilled with the way the project was turning out, and now I just want to finish and get rid of it! As for the iron, my husband's done some work with electronics and said it's a really cheaply made iron. Explains why it was so light. It broke right where the iron and the plastic handle meet. It was a new iron and had only been used a couple of times. My weller seems much sturdier. I'll let you all know when I get the poppy up on my page. Hopefully I won't still be hating it by then. This has been so frustrating. Anyone for margaritas? Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 8 20:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R Terry" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:28:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.122852.0> Precedence: bulk Or you could just move to Oregon (no sales Tax) >its fairly easy to do, just call your state sales tax office and ask for a tax >id # they will set you up to pay sales tax, and depending how much you sell >will then send you forms every month, quarter or year to fill out. If you are >going to sell to a shop that is going to resell then you have to have them >fill out a resale certificate and you don't charge tax on that. Now also keep >in mind once you have a tax # you can't claim it as a hobby any more and your >2 free garage sales aren't free anymore you will then have to charge tax on >EVERYTHING you sell. keep a separate folder for all you sales and supplies >for the end of the year cause now you will be a sole proprieter. >deb >In a message dated 98-06-08 10:51:14 EDT, you write: > >> I've got another question. I would like to sell some of my projects to pay >> for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a >> sales >> tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 00:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:00:43 -0700 Message-ID: <199806090350.UAA19516@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk OR ALASKA -- also NO sales tax! ---------------- > > > Or you could just move to Oregon (no sales Tax -------------------------- > > >its fairly easy to do, just call your state sales tax office and ask for a > tax > >id # they will set you up to pay sales tax, and depending how much you sell > >will then send you forms every month, quarter or year to fill out. If you > are > >going to sell to a shop that is going to resell then you have to have them > >fill out a resale certificate and you don't charge tax on that. Now also > keep > >in mind once you have a tax # you can't claim it as a hobby any more and > your > >2 free garage sales aren't free anymore you will then have to charge tax on > >EVERYTHING you sell. keep a separate folder for all you sales and supplies > >for the end of the year cause now you will be a sole proprieter. > >deb > >In a message dated 98-06-08 10:51:14 EDT, you write: > > > >> I've got another question. I would like to sell some of my projects to > pay > >> for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a > >> sales > >> tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 01:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------69BBE017D7CE0EA00E2D5E86" Subject: Re: nice work web site Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:58:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun8.155816.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------69BBE017D7CE0EA00E2D5E86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Thanks Charles for dinking with the addy of that site. I've seen it before I believe in the wwar directory. You know what I really liked about the artist? The selling points he made and he also has his work list priced. I like to see how much something is before I buy it! Regards~ Pam --------------69BBE017D7CE0EA00E2D5E86 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------69BBE017D7CE0EA00E2D5E86-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 06:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:15:21 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.111521.0> Precedence: bulk To my knowledge, if you place items in a store they will collect sales tax and make the necessary payments to the state. So, that aspect is out of your hands and you are not responsible for any sales tax. Unless you want to go "big time" and sell at other venues, why bother with any government nonsense? You will only be responsible for claiming your additional income from the shops on your regular tax statements, both to the feds and state once a year. Why not try it out first by placing some things in a shop and see how it goes and if you like it? If you decide that you would like to expand to other areas, then you will be forced to get your business credentials. Good Luck! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 06:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:14:29 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.111429.0> Precedence: bulk For those who are telling you it is "easy" to get a tax I.D. no., let me warn you that maybe in some states it is true, but in others, it requires up to a 30 page document decipherable by a student of law at the very least, and up to a 3 month wait. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 08:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.51727.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:AlexG2@aol.com >I would like to sell some of my projects to pay for my glass habit a little, but would I have to setup a business with a sales tax ID and pay all the fees and applications to do it? We live in a resort area, and I would like to approach some of the gift shops. Any ideas, comments or suggestions would be appreciated.< You can offer your works on a consignment basis to the gift shop owners. This does not require you to have a state re-sale tax id, since the gift shop is the one collecting and reporting the taxes. What you do is place your works in their store, and when it sells, they get a percentage of the sale and you get a percentage. They handle the paperwork. You are basically paying them for the location (i.e. rent), utilities, insurance, advertising, packaging and administration. I pay my consignees 60% of the retail price. I keep 40%. This is the prior-to-tax price. I let my consignees assign the retail price unless I think the price is too high or too low for my location. I have a standard consignment contract detailing out who is responsible for what, what the item is, what it's retail price it, what it's wholesale price is (in case of damage) and what my payment schedule is (at the end of the month when the item sells). I would not work with a store that does not have a written contract. BTW, I also consign some of my stuff to other galleries. So I'm on both sides of the fence. This 60/40 split is good for both parties. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 10:40:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:51:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.155153.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-09 09:39:07 EDT, you write: > For those who are telling you it is "easy" to get a tax I.D. no., let me > warn you that maybe in some states it is true, but in others, it > requires up to a 30 page document decipherable by a student of law at > the very least, and up to a 3 month wait. > > Hmm sorry I said that it was easy, I guess in TEXAS they want it to be easy so that more people will be honest. They tried one year to charge us $25 to have the opportunity to do all their paperwork and collect their money, but that didn't go over too well. I must say that in Texas the comptroller is a very friendly office and they have always been very helpful. My biggest problem was when we incorporated and had a whole new list of taxes and forms to fill out. But again the sales tax was the easiest part of it. The only real problem is keeping up with the changes that are made everyso often. We have had no tax on labour , tax on labour now we have tax on labor unless it is motor vehicle labor. Our office, comptroller, also has small free seminars, you might check to see if your state has them too. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 11:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:36:13 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.153613.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-09 09:13:12 EDT, you write: > To my knowledge, if you place items in a store they will collect sales tax > and > make the necessary payments to the state. So, that aspect is out of your > hands and you are not responsible for any sales tax. Unless you want to go > "big time" and sell at other venues, why bother with any government nonsense? > > You will only be responsible for claiming your additional income from the > shops on your regular tax statements, both to the feds and state once a year. > > Why not try it out first by placing some things in a shop and see how it > goes > and if you like it? If you decide that you would like to expand to other > areas, then you will be forced to get your business credentials. Good Luck! > Lenor WHY BOTHER WITH GOVERNMENT NONSENSE????? are you asking for trouble!!! If you want to sell to businesses you HAVE to bother with it. I know its more paper work but when Uncle Sam (in the US) comes a knocking on your door you won't be thinking its nonsense then. Legally you HAVE to report ALL income whether it be small or large, you decide how much of a chance you want to take. Penalties and back taxes , sales or income, could be a lot more than you can swallow. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 12:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R Terry" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Color melt Furnace, will this work? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:34:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.1348.0> Precedence: bulk I have two round 30 inch outside 24 inch inside electric kiln rings, 2300 degree capacity, no top or bottom. I plan to open the bands, put in one inch frax on the outside, build a base of 3 inch soft brick bottom with one inch frax under that on a metal roll around frame. The top will be approximately the same as the bottom only hinged of course. I'm hoping to put in three 25-pound color pots with a cover on the top of the furnace at the top of the pot level to contain the heat when the lid is open of either kiln shelf material or some high temperature hard board. What do you think? Will this work? Suggestions, comments, experiences??? Thanks. Douglas Terry (from the Alps of Oregon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 14:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Consignment sales Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:42:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199806091824.OAA03502@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I would not work with a store that > does not have a written contract. > > BTW, I also consign some of my stuff to other galleries. > So I'm on both sides of the fence. This 60/40 split is good > for both parties. A contract is always a good idea, Christie. Do you have any "horror stories" of shop owners who failed to pay or who disappeared with your work or money? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 15:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:28:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.22838.0> Precedence: bulk A drawback to the consignment and not getting a re-sale number is as was questioned earlier. NO BUYING WHOLESALE due to the lack of the ######## I think you still go through the process of registering a business, making the minimum purchase requirements to be a re-seller, AND THEN look into consignment. You need to be able to buy right before you can re-sell/consign. I got my start by consigning shades to a local gallery, and from there it got as big as I wanted it to. Register a name, get a number, research wholesalers, and then look for places to consign, and do not over look making a deal for a store to BUY OUTRIGHT to get you some working capital. IMHO, and store who is owner operated and funded by the same will WORK HARDER to sell the stuff they own, than consignments. I used to drop into a gallery I felt was an asset to sell my work, ask questions of the help about the stuff they had, custom order possibilities, over all display, and general demeanor. By being critical before I offered the owner a shot at my work, I had a pretty good idea of how they would be selling my work. Most galleries who only have consignments would be selling ??????? if the artists/artisans did NOT consign.... It is a two street, and expenses and profits from both sides. For me the "chase" is more fun than the filling of orders, and I used to have more ambition, go around with MANY shades (small) in the car and "hustle" them....Some earlier I sold a few hundred shades a year, but for the last 5 or so years have concentrated on large shades only....Overall more money in a $3,000 sale (net) of a "Tiffany" than the comparable sales to equal the same dollars in small panel shades, both from the equation expenses and time and non-production costs such as delivery, packing, bookkeeping, inventory. Run it like a business and know what things cost and time involved! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 16:38:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: To: AlexG2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:52:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.185214.0> Precedence: bulk In case you decide to do shows as well, often a show coordinator will get a tax license for the show so you don't need your own. You collect the tax from purchasers, pay the tax to the show coordinator at the end of the show, and they remit it to the state. - Marilyn A New Light ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 16:47:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Pittsburgh and the Youghiogheny Factory Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <199806092011.QAA25562@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, I am going to Pittsburgh at the end of this month. I know there are several interesting places in the city with regard to their glass, but does somebody know which ones are the most important to visit? I don't think I'll have much free time. I'd love to see an original Tiffany window, for instance. On the other hand, I was looking at the map and noticed that the Youghiogheny factory is relatively close. Does anybody know if there is any way to get from Pittsburgh to Connelsville? I am trying to find my drivers licence but I seem to have misplaced it so I might have to take Greyhound or something similar. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks a lot. -- Daniel M. German "What is the matter? --Never mind Anonymous -> What is mind? --It does not matter." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 16:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: DMR74@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:28:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun9.202838.0> Precedence: bulk Although we are now in the brocess of doing the paperework for our glass business, I can personally assure you after having been in other businesses for 30 years, DO NOT, I repeat, do not screw with the state and fed tax people. We survived fed audits of our businesses, but it cost us thousands of dollars to do so. When we ran our last business where we outsourced much of the work, we had to pay an attorney serious $'s to get these people off our backs. Especially in a state like CA, where the Board of Equalization (how's that for an oxymoron?) reigns supreme, get the tax number, put up with the B.S., and do the forms. They'll make your life miserable, if you don't. Also, if asked how much your sales are expected to be, estimate low as they'll take, because in some states, a deposit is required to get a number. By all means however, pay yourself for putting up with this BS by deducting everything humanly possible as a business expense. As previously said, uncle will allow you to lose $'s for years, if you can prove you are at least making an attempt to be profitable!! R.T. Callahan Glassics, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 16:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Color melt Furnace, will this work? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199806092102.RAA11260@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I have two round 30 inch outside 24 inch inside electric kiln rings, 2300 > degree capacity, no top or bottom. Sounds like a winner to me, Doug, but it's been a few years since I ran my own hot shop. Why not lob the same question at the hot glass discussion group on hotglass.com? I think you'll get some good advice over there. http://cgi.exo.com/~jht/forum/index.cgi Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 17:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling stuff & business requirements Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:45:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.134510.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk Just a thought on the above, if you intend to go into business, either selling a little or selling on a larger scale, wouldn't it be more practical to consult your accountant rather than take a chance on not knowing what local, State, and Federal taxes requirements might be. Your accountant should be the most knowledgeable person to go to rather than asking others what they do as far as payment of any tax. Better to pay now than pay later. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 17:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: midwich_cuckoo@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Selling stuff and business requirements Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.152010.0> References: <<1998Jun9.111429.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, This just made me think of something that you might be interested in.......A while back we were going to do a trade show in New Jersey and planned to sell our patterns there at retail as well, so we got a N.J. tax number just for the event. Getting a N.J. tax number was no trouble at all, and cost us nothing. Getting rid of a N.J. tax number turned out to be quite another matter. Dragged on for a couple of years before we found a helpful public servant to help out. The number now seems to be gone for good.............I hope. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:14:29 PDT "Roger Thornhill" writes: > >For those who are telling you it is "easy" to get a tax I.D. no., let >me >warn you that maybe in some states it is true, but in others, it >requires up to a 30 page document decipherable by a student of law at >the very least, and up to a 3 month wait. > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 18:36:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Consignment sales/gallery horro story Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806092356.TAA12134@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk memememe me I do!!!!!!!!!!!!(she says waving her hands in the back row)!! You want a horror story??? I got a good one. Contract and all. to some folks means nothing. The very main reason I do not do consignment is because I got really really burned. A gallery I had been consigning work to in a very large nearby city. (I will keep this vague as I do have a lawsuit pending). We had a very good relationship.............I would drop the work off ..........they would mail the checks.........this went on for a few years. Had a few shows there and sold quite a number of pieces. And I had a really good relationship with both the owners. And then..................... all of a sudden............. I kept delivering work they asked for and wasn't receiving any checks for awhile. Thinking that my work had just been there to long. So i called and asked to pick up some of my work. Well to make a really long expensive lesson short, the didn't have the work.........then the weren't answering my calls, my faxes or my attorney's letters asking for the return of my work. And the only recourse you have is to hire an attorney. So I don't do any consignment..............not now ..............and not ever ever ever again.. Even when you think you know your gallery owner..........and have a contract.................its not worth the paper you printed it on unless you are willing to fight for what is yours. BTW, these folks are still in business and someday if I don't get paid I think I would like to go to one of their openings. Personally my take on galleries who do consignment on low price items is that they don't have any money. And not really who I want to do business with. Just a personal opinion from an ex-gallery owner. And yes I always paid my artists. :) my best, pj > >A contract is always a good idea, Christie. Do you have any "horror >stories" of shop owners who failed to pay or who disappeared with >your work or money? > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 18:49:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Art shows and sales tax Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806100026.UAA13564@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk For all of you out there that are doing the show curcuit for the first time this year beware. The sales tax people are out in force at these shows. I personally help coordinate a show in Haddonfield, New Jersey. Last year the tax people were out in full force. Even shut down a few craftspeople who owed money . They confiscate your booth and your inventory if you don't have the money owed to pay them on the spot. So make sure you have your tax id number handy. These people play for real and don't want to hear any sob stories either. my best, pj (who has her federal id number tattooed somewhere??) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 19:19:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Pittsburgh and the Youghiogheny Factory Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806100029.UAA13690@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk If you happened to like Andy Warhol's work............there is a great Warhol Musem in Pittsburgh. my best, pj > >Hi Everybody, > >I am going to Pittsburgh at the end of this month. I know there are >several interesting places in the city with regard to their glass, but >does somebody know which ones are the most important to visit? I don't >think I'll have much free time. I'd love to see an original Tiffany >window, for instance. > >On the other hand, I was looking at the map and noticed that the >Youghiogheny factory is relatively close. Does anybody know if there >is any way to get from Pittsburgh to Connelsville? I am trying to find >my drivers licence but I seem to have misplaced it so I might have to >take Greyhound or something similar. Any help will be appreciated. > >Thanks a lot. > > >-- >Daniel M. German "What is the matter? --Never mind > Anonymous -> What is mind? --It does not matter." >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 19:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fremont Glass & Ficher Glass Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <<199806080452.AAA17500@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU schrieb: > A. C. Fisher line is far more extensive. > Either way expect exceptionaly beautiful glass that cuts like butter. C&R Loo have maybe fisher glass on time. But fisher not produce. Fisher are broke (now about 3 years). Unfortunately (fine glass) and good (because there sale to all People and our shop are only 50 km from Bramsche (Fisher is in Bramsche near Osnabrueck). But Lambert purchases the prescription from fisher. A other Manufacturer from the same glass are in France (St. Gobian). For make this glass fisher need 35 People. All other are not lucratively. hello from germany, herbert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 19:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Invitationals? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806100021.UAA13288@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk I was just wondering.............and that means trouble. How do most artists feel about invitationals? For those who aren't familiar............it goes like this. A project committee sends you an application. for a project they have upcoming. The comittee selects three or four (or whatever number they chose) artists to design the project from the applications they receive. They then pay the artists they have selected a stipend for the designing the work. Then from all the work designed they chose the artist whose work the want to use. Thats it. Food for thought. my best, pj (who can write an application in her sleep) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 19:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Custom bevels Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:59:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.165941.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi everyone: Awhile back someone mentioned a fella that did excellent custom beveling work. My regular beveler isn't taking any more orders due to a backlog, and I have a customer that needs several bevels replaced. These bevels are part of a cluster which appear to be from the Prism series, although I can't be sure. Houston carries that line, but I can't find this particular cluster. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 20:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Consignment sales Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.10150.0> Precedence: bulk The contract is only as good as it can be inforced! So the gallery split with your money and some art work....now what! By the time any monies filter down to you, the lawyers, the system and of course (if bankruptcy was filed) you rarely get anything but satisfaction and it will cost you time and grief to get that as well. Look for an established gallery, preferably one who is owned by a displaying artist, and KEEP an eye on your work. Keep an eye on the way it is displayed and check out your state's consignment laws. A contract is certainly to be expected, but keep in mind it is only a piece of paper. Also find out how the gallery will handle referrals and if they will give out your name freely for work they do not have on display. Non payment (usually by the 10th) is cause for concern.... Any gallery that books a custom shade from me for a client PAYS up front, if the client reneges for whatever reason, I am not stuck with someone else's idea of the colors. That usually prompts the galleries to send me the client and I will deal with communications of colors and style and so forth and offer them a SMALL referral fee. A few $100 for my phone number is still a good deal for the gallery. Set up production items, try not to get too creative and keep a standard price structure. The more you can produce and get out for sale, the better the stuff sells. Hard to sell from an empty shelf! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 21:22:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art shows and sales tax Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199806100249.WAA19828@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk > >no scam mike......these people call the cops ahead of time and arrange it all. > >and they are definitely not kidding about getting their money. > >pj > >>pj friend wrote: >>> >>> For all of you out there that are doing the show curcuit for the first time >>> this year >>> beware. >>> >>> The sales tax people are out in force at these shows. >>> >>> I personally help coordinate a show in Haddonfield, New Jersey. >>> Last year the tax people were out in full force. Even shut down a few >>> craftspeople who owed money . They confiscate your booth and your inventory >>> if you don't have the money owed to pay them on the spot. >>> >>> So make sure you have your tax id number handy. These people play for real >>> and don't want to hear any sob stories either. >>> >>> my best, >>> pj (who has her federal id number tattooed somewhere??) >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >>personally that sounds scam like to me. i would never let some stranger >>take my stuff. i don't care what they flash at me. i would call the >>cops... >> >>---Mike Savad >> >>-- >>Mike's Stained Glass >>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >>2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added >>and My Updated Shop Photo's >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 21:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Consignment sales Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:41:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun10.34140.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-09 17:55:20 EDT, you write: << A contract is always a good idea, Christie. Do you have any "horror stories" of shop owners who failed to pay or who disappeared with your work or money? Albert ---- >> My friend had done business with one store for several years. Then one day it was just closed down and she never heard from the owner or saw her stuff again. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 22:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, glasscat@infinet.com Subject: Custom bevels Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:11:28, -0500 Message-ID: <199806100411.AAA12054@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Gary Dodge or some other regular contributer commented on excellent service about six weeks ago (check archives?). I the reason I write is to suggest that you provide the broken bevels to the beveler. This is most important to allow the beveler to match the run off lines, etc.. Otherwise complex bevels by different bevelers are apt to stand out like sore thumbs. Both may be beautiful but poor side by side matches. It is the regularity of a bevel cluster that makes it capture the mind. One discontinunity and the effect os lost. That is one reason why I do not ship bevels. I for one would welcome a very long thread on bevels. Making, using, ideas, general knowledge, etc. would be fun. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 9 23:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: DIGITAL CAMERA Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun9.185856.0> References: <<1998Jun5.223014.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Just ran onto a page for reconditioned Kodak digital cameras, you can buy on line if you want, as low as $79.00 to $99.00 Seem to remember someone asking about digital cameras awhile back Lee http://webs.kodak.com/US/en/store/?path=Category/163 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 04:21:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fremont Glass & Ficher Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199806101113.HAA15458@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > C&R Loo have maybe fisher glass on time. But fisher not produce. > Fisher are broke (now about 3 years). Unfortunately (fine glass) > and good (because there sale to all People and our shop are > only 50 km from Bramsche (Fisher is in Bramsche near Osnabrueck). > But Lambert purchases the prescription from fisher. A other Manufacturer > from the same glass are in France (St. Gobian). Ah, thank you, Herbert, for the clarification! I'd heard that Fischer had stopped producing, but that now the glass is available again and just assumed that they'd gotten on their feet again. Sold the glass formulas to Lamberts, did they? Well, the people at Lamberts are fine manufacturers, too, as their own glass demonstrates. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 06:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: support question Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun10.22632.0> References: <<199806070647.CAA19896@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tips on my support question....I like the idea of framing it in oak since there's so much wood going on in the kitchen already (it'll blend really nice and won't break up the "line" of the cabinets), plus in general I have a thing for wood. I also like the idea of doing three pieces and putting them together, which will cause absolutely no problems flipping it. I don't know if I'll make all three the same length....but then they don't really have to be. Looks like it's time for the drawing board for this one...wish me luck on the design!!! Thanks again!!! BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > Lurker Tracy wrote: > >>.I want to build a long, > narrow panel, approximately 6"-7" wide and 54" long...it > will be hung horizontally. I haven't started the design yet > (hehehe...learning to ask a question or two first before > spending time on a design only to have to re-design it... > :>). I want to foil it, and besides finishing it in > probably zinc, where (assuming need be) does there have to > be support throughout the piece? If so, is there a > particular design/style that would make this easy to > incorporate? I'm visualizing something geometric so it's > mostly going to be straight lines. It's going to hang in > front of a light above a kitchen sink, in between two > cabinets. Thanks for any help!!!<< > > I like the idea of framing this panel in 1" X 1 3/4" oak frame stock. > This is a standard size that is available in 72" lengths. There is a > 54" unsupported span that the metal framing commonly available is not > up to without risk of sagging. If you choose the oak, 1/2" flat H > lead will be plenty good for the border and fit nicely into the grove > in the standard frame stock. No other special reinforcement should be > necessary. You might consider mounting the side pieces of the oak > frame to the cabinets and adjust the width of the panel accordingly. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *I > am not a control freak, just do it my way.* > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 07:06:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Make my cement and grout. Help! Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:46:14 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.44614.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD94B0.CFDF1320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends and Fellow Bungians Lend me your ears. And time. And fingertips.=20 I have been into glass for almost two years now. And I find the going = really tough. Reasons is, I live in Malaysia, and in all of the two years I have not = found a single stain glass retailer.(I might as well be living in Leh or = Ladakh. I made my early purchases of tools from mail order dealers like = Delphi and Glass Crafters. You can imagine the cost of glass including = shipping?!! Anyway I found a dealer in nearby Singapore, but his prices = too are terrifying. Anyway to make a short story shorter, I would like to experiment by = making some things myself. And here is where I need your help. 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic = stepping stones myself. ?=20 2. How to make grout? Well, I will not put all the questions in one basket. Please help out = with the above two questions.=20 Any takers? Mr Albert Lewis, Mr Mike Savad, Ms Shirley Balloch. Anyone?=20 Thanks a million. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD94B0.CFDF1320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Friends and Fellow = Bungians
 
Lend me your ears. And time. And fingertips. =
 
I have been into glass for almost = two years now.=20 And I find the going really tough.
 
Reasons is, I live in Malaysia, and in all of the = two years I=20 have not found a single stain glass retailer.(I might as well be living = in Leh=20 or Ladakh.  I made my early purchases of tools from mail order = dealers like=20 Delphi and Glass Crafters. You can imagine the cost of glass including=20 shipping?!! Anyway I found a dealer in nearby Singapore, but his prices = too are=20 terrifying.
 
Anyway to make a short story shorter, I would like = to=20 experiment by making some things myself. And here is where I need your=20 help.
 
1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own = cement for=20 mosaic stepping stones myself. ?
 
2. How to make grout?
 
Well, I will not put all the questions in one = basket. Please=20 help out with the above two questions.
 
Any takers? Mr Albert Lewis, Mr Mike Savad, Ms = Shirley=20 Balloch. Anyone?
Thanks a million.
 
Shakeel Abedi
104, Jalan = Mersing
86000=20 Kluang
Johor
Malaysia
Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD94B0.CFDF1320-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 07:55:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Consignment sales Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun10.513.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >A contract is always a good idea, Christie. Do you have any "horror = stories" of shop owners who failed to pay or who disappeared with = your work or money?< Yes, as I am sure most other artists have run into these types of problems as well. Here's a couple of examples of problems when you don't have a contract: Example A: Let's call it Gallery ABC. No formal contract. I had a few small 3-D items there such as business card holders, plus one major work in the front window. Gallery ABC experienced some shop lifting of my small 3-D items (2 of them). We set up a sting operation with the help of the local police, and caught the thief red-handed as she was leaving the store. She confessed and the police recovered one of my 2 missing pieces, but not the other. Since I had no contract with Gallery ABC, I was not compensated for the loss. I no longer display my works at Gallery ABC. Their too-loose management style is too risky for me. Example B: Let's call it Gallery DEF. It was a small craft mall type of place. I did not have a booth, but had my works displayed in the front window available for consignment sales. I did have a receipt for all works. Didn't hear from Gallery DEF for a couple of months. I decided to call them up and see if they wanted to change out the window, etc. Come to find out, they were going out of business and closing up the store in four days, and "Oh, by the way, you might want to come pick up your work before we lock the doors." They had not tried to contact me at all. So I dropped what I was doing right then and there and went over and retrieved my items before the store went belly-up, taking my artwork with it. Moral of the story? 1. Check out the store before you place your work in it. 2. Get a formal written contract detailing your rights and the gallery's rights. 3. Make sure the contract covers things like theft, vandalism and destruction of the artwork. 4. Do regularly scheduled follow-up phone calls with all your galleries just to keep in touch with them, to see if they are having trouble, and to rotate stock if necessary. Be proactive. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 08:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Daniel M. German" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Pittsburgh and the Youghiogheny Factory Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: <199806101135.HAA14286@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk What a great choice for a visit! Pittsburgh is such a wonderful city... (I live here). Besides Youghiogheny factory Nemacolin Woodlands is worth a visit I hear. They have a couple of Tiffany items on display: http://www.nwlr.com/ just follow the Art link, there is a picture of a Tiffany panel and a Poinsetta lamp. Nemacolin Woodlands is about 30 minutes from Connelsville. I will find out today if there are any buses going to Connelsville. Also Fallingwater, the showcase home designed by Frank Lloyd Wright for the Kaufmann family is about 30 minutes from Connelsville. You need to call to make reservations for a tour at Fallingwater. I don't remember if they have any Tiffany items in the house, (last time I was there was before I got into Stained Glass) but the house is absolutely unique and beautiful. When will you be here? Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! ---------- > From: Daniel M. German > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Pittsburgh and the Youghiogheny Factory > Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 4:11 PM > > > Hi Everybody, > > I am going to Pittsburgh at the end of this month. I know there are > several interesting places in the city with regard to their glass, but > does somebody know which ones are the most important to visit? I don't > think I'll have much free time. I'd love to see an original Tiffany > window, for instance. > > On the other hand, I was looking at the map and noticed that the > Youghiogheny factory is relatively close. Does anybody know if there > is any way to get from Pittsburgh to Connelsville? I am trying to find > my drivers licence but I seem to have misplaced it so I might have to > take Greyhound or something similar. Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks a lot. > > > -- > Daniel M. German "What is the matter? --Never mind > Anonymous -> What is mind? --It does not matter." > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 09:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kitchen Panels (support question) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun10.62426.0> Precedence: bulk Just picked up on this thread and have to comment. I am planning a = similar project. There is a space between my cabinets over the sink = about 4 feet wide. I am planning to make three panels about 11" high and = mount them in oak 2" x 1". The 2" x 1" matches the corner framing of my = cabinets.=20 My plan is to rout out slots in the oak that will hold the three glass = panels. The oak will not be like a picture frame (attached) to the glass = panels but will be mounted separately. I intend to start with the lower = 4' piece and attach it in the opening at either side using L-brackets = from behind. Then I will mount a vertical 11" piece on each side. Two = separater pieces will be routed on both sides will go in the middle, = followed by an inverted 4' piece on top attached to the cabinets with th = L-brackets like the bottom piece. This means that the only screws will = be in the L-brackets and I can remove the top piece and, slip out the = panels change them when ever I tire of them. Each panel will be 11" x = 16" and I don't plan to use any reinforcing since they will not be in a = place that they can be bumped and the oak is pretty sturdy. My designs so far for the panels are for a wire egg basket (forming the = basket and attaching it 3-D on top of the panel), a bowl off fruit and = an old timely coffee pot with coffee cup. If any one wants I can sketch = up the framing design and send as an attachment but i think it's pretty = straight forward. Linda Campbel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 10:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Make my cement and grout. Help! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:41:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199806101624.MAA28365@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic = > stepping stones myself. ?=20 You could do it, Shakeel, but I think it may be too complicated and certainly more expensive than buying it, even given the shipping costs you're having to pay. Take a look at http://www.ppc.co.za/partners/cement/making.htm for an idea of just how complicated it is. > 2. How to make grout? I couldn't find anything on making your own grout, but I suspect the problems and costs will be as prohibitive as making cement. There is http://www.stonedoctor.com/articles/grout.htm which suggests some different types of grout that might be helpful to you (and anyone else here), so you might give that a looksee. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 11:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help in making the mosaic cement myself. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:34:56 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.93456.0> Precedence: bulk To very Bungian. I sent this post earlier and being the dumb that I am did not notice that it was in MIME format and not in plain text. My sincere apologies to every one of you who had problem because of this.) Friends and Fellow Bungians Lend me your ears. And time. And fingertips. I have been into glass for almost two years now. And I find the going really tough. Reasons is, I live in Malaysia, and in all of the two years I have not found a single stain glass retailer.(I might as well be living in Leh or Ladakh. I made my early purchases of tools from mail order dealers like Delphi and Glass Crafters. You can imagine the cost of glass including shipping?!! Anyway I found a dealer in nearby Singapore, but his prices too are terrifying. Anyway to make a short story shorter, I would like to experiment by making some things myself. And here is where I need your help. 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic stepping stones. 2. How to make grout? And colorful at that? Well, I will not put all the questions in one basket. Please help out with the above two questions. Any takers? Mr Albert Lewis, Mr Mike Savad, Ms Shirley Balloch. Anyone? Thanks a million. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 12:08:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help in making my own cement and grout Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:25:46 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.92546.0> Precedence: bulk (To very Bungian. I sent this post earlier and being the dumb that I am did not notice that it was in MIME format and not in plain text. My sincere apologies to every one of you who had problem because of this.) Friends and Fellow Bungians Lend me your ears. And time. And fingertips.=20 I have been into glass for almost two years now. And I find the going really tough. Reasons is, I live in Malaysia, and in all of the two years I have not found a single stain glass retailer.(I might as well be living in Leh or Ladakh. I made my early purchases of tools from mail order dealers like Delphi and Glass Crafters. You can imagine the cost of glass including shipping?!! Anyway I found a dealer in nearby Singapore, but his prices too are terrifying. Anyway to make a short story shorter, I would like to experiment by = making some things myself. And here is where I need your help. 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic = stepping stones myself. ?=20 2. How to make grout? Well, I will not put all the questions in one basket. Please help out = with the above two questions.=20 Any takers? Mr Albert Lewis, Mr Mike Savad, Ms Shirley Balloch. Anyone? Thanks a million. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 13:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Make my cement and grout. Help! Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:00:52, -0500 Message-ID: <199806101900.PAA20982@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk > 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic = > stepping stones myself. ? Why not find out what tile setters use in your country? I suspect that bathroom floors and courtyards use plenty of tile. Use the cement they use. For grout sift the cement and use the finer sifting for your first poor over the glass. For outside use grout need be nothing more. Use what is left for the remainder of the stone. When cement is poured and worked, such as for a sidewalk, it naturaly grades out this way leaving a smooth surface. You want to have the smooth side at the bottom (which will become the top of your stone). That is the reason for the above sifting. This need not be an expensive project employing space age materials. The idea is to get a durable stepping stone that looks good. I think some of us would like to know what special inported supplies cost in US$ in your country. I'll guess up to $40.00 for a 12" round stepping stone. In the US we pay $3.00 to $10.00 depending on material selection. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 17:14:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Making Glass Scratches Less Obvious Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <199806102247.SAA20787@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, This was in today's newspaper, thought it might be worth a try: To make glass scratches less obvious, put a coat of clear nail polish over the scratch. When the polish dries, put a little nail-polish remover on a clean white cloth and rub the scratch only enough to remove the excess polish. Clean with glass cleaner and the scratch will, hopefully, disappear. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 18:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dragon patterns? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun10.163936.0> Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a dragon pattern for a friend. She wants something along the lines of "Puff". I think she wants something cute, Disney-ish, if you know what I mean. I have a dragon I got off Spectrum's site which is not what she wants at all. Any suggestions? Between the two of us, we might be able to draw what she wants, but I need to look at some dragons first. I'm going to look at the library tomorrow. Thanks! Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 19:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help in making my own cement and grout Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:24:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199806110125.CAA03495@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Shakeel, It was when you mentioned Singapore, that my mind clicked into gear. There may be an "oblique" solution to your cement and grout dilemma, and - possibly a number of other glass related questions where you live. Your dilemma reminded me of similar "problem-solving" brainstorms I myself experienced when I was living/working in Aden, Hadramout and Hong-Kong many years ago. (... no, please don't ask :-) ) Who uses concrete, cement, grout and so on in large quanities (other than builders). The P.W.D. (Public Works Department) I found that through befriending people in PWD, I could get hold of all sorts of "free samples" cement, putty, paving stones, wood, even glass and tiles and lots of free "lessons" how to use. .. And... if I asked very prettily, "samples" would even be delivered to my doorstep. When eventually I settled to live in UK, I made use of the ideas I learnt out in the Middle and Far East. Instead of buying paving stones for my patio from the local garden centre, I approached the local government council and asked them. Ok, I didn't get a "free sample", but for the equivalent of approx. 16 USD, I bought 3 tons of paving stones which they delivered to me. Practice glass for my students I collect from the main council glass supplier for nothing, as much as I want. Try approaching the problem from this aspect. I.e. ask yourself, who else uses cement & grout for OTHER purposes where you are. When you say "making" your own cement, I assume that you mean "mixing your own....? Bob Duchenau is very close to answering your question. The basic ingredients is - in essence- just the same as making paving stones in concrete. The concrete is a mixture of cement, water and sand of various grit (fine or coarse) and - of course the glass as the "final topping". The trick of the trade is simply getting the grit of sand right and the right proportion of cement, sand and water mixed. It's not at all complicated and any decent builder worth his salt should be able to tell you that Mix A is right for "mortar" building a house, Mix B right for building a garden wall and Mix C right for concrete mix for floors and Mix D right for paving slabs. You will see a lot of trade names being bandied about and offered as being the "bees' knees" for making stepping stones in Bungi. In all honesty, you don't need them. Go back to basics and find out how your local government make concrete street paving slabs That should be your starting point. Same for grout. Tiles are used in Malasyia as everywhere else in the world. If not on a local level then on a national or tourist level (Hotel bathrooms!!). In the absolute extreme, ask an architect who has built a hotel, to put you on to the builder that employed the contractor that hired the workmen that tiled the bathrooms. I BET you that the grout was made locally!! THAT route you will not have to pay an arm and a leg!! As for glass see/explore if a ordinary local glazier (or government dept or contractor) could not help you. Try and befriend one or two. For them to slip in a few samples of coloured glass into their import consignments is as considerable as the sneeze of a flea. Again, thinking of where you are, I would have thought that your strongest trade links are more with Australia ??? Australia has a quietly flourishing stained glass "industry". They are producing their own glass (although I am not yet sure to what extent), writing and publishing their own stained glass pattern books. Might it be cheaper to import from Australia rather than from USA and/or UK & Europe???? Melanie Dunstan, the new shining light of IGGA is spending 36 hours of every 24 breathing light into stained glass (and other crafts) from Australia. And, in deed, how many other types of contractors & government contractors are there in Malaysia from Australia??? It's a question of going back to basics, examining the basic materials and supplies that you are looking for and explore from where else/ who else (using them for other purposes) you might succeed to obtain them. These are just thoughts going through my mind as I consider your dilemma. Have I given you something to think about and "spin" on (though I realize that nothing will be easy....) ?? With my Best Wishes Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shakeel wrote: I have been into glass for almost two years now. And I find the going really tough. Reasons is, I live in Malaysia, and in all of the two years I have not found a single stain glass retailer.(I might as well be living in Leh or Ladakh. I made my early purchases of tools from mail order dealers like Delphi and Glass Crafters. You can imagine the cost of glass including shipping?!! Anyway I found a dealer in nearby Singapore, but his prices too are terrifying. Anyway to make a short story shorter, I would like to experiment by = making some things myself. And here is where I need your help. 1.Could some one tell me a way of making my own cement for mosaic = stepping stones myself. ?=20 2. How to make grout? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 20:00:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dragon patterns? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun10.1846.0> References: <<1998Jun10.163936.0>> Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > I'm looking for a dragon pattern for a friend. She wants > something along the lines of "Puff". I think she wants something cute, > Disney-ish, if you know what I mean. I have a dragon I got off > Spectrum's site which is not what she wants at all. Any suggestions? > Between the two of us, we might be able to draw what she wants, but I > need to look at some dragons first. I'm going to look at the library > tomorrow. > > Thanks! > Jerri > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there may be some dragons here: http://www.draconian.com/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 10 23:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dragon patterns? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:11:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199806110411.VAA32315@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk > I'm looking for a dragon pattern for a friend. She wants >something along the lines of "Puff". I think she wants something cute, >Disney-ish, if you know what I mean. I have a dragon I got off >Spectrum's site which is not what she wants at all. Any suggestions? >Between the two of us, we might be able to draw what she wants, but I >need to look at some dragons first. I'm going to look at the library >tomorrow. HI Jerri, The library's a great place to look for stained glass design inspirations, particularly the kids section. I used to feel uncomfortable in there since I don't have kids but have learned to love those skinny books as a wonderful source of inspiration. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 04:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: jroey@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dragon patterns? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:45:29 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun11.104529.0> Precedence: bulk Jerri, Why not try your local toy store or large cut-rate store (e.g. Walmart, K- Mart, etc.) for coloring books? They are quite inexpensive and easy to work with when transforming the lines for glass scoring. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 07:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kcotcher From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: irridized glass Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:48:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun11.134846.0> Precedence: bulk I am trying to fuse some irriized glass and poof the pretty coating disappeared. i covered the top with a clear piece of glas. does anyone know what the top temp. is not to burn off the irridized top coating? Kim Cotcher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 09:13:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: irridized glass Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.7282.0> References: <<1998Jun11.134846.0>> Precedence: bulk Kcotcher@aol.com wrote: > > I am trying to fuse some irriized glass and poof the pretty coating > disappeared. i covered the top with a clear piece of glas. does anyone know > what the top temp. is not to burn off the irridized top coating? > > Kim Cotcher > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it was probably spectrum. spectrum's irr. burns off too easily, i personally hav'nt found a good temperature that will keep the irr., and still be able to do anything with it. so far the best kiln irr. is bullseye. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 10:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: electric glory holes? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: <199806111533.LAA17891@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk Hello glass fans! Has anyone built an electric powered glory hole? I am thinking of a table top sized unit; maybe 4" opening max. I would prefer electric because of safety concerns. If so, any estimates as to the average and maximum power required? I imagine it would be quite substantial! -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 10:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: irridized glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:37:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199806111721.NAA06159@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I am trying to fuse some irriized glass and poof the pretty coating > disappeared. i covered the top with a clear piece of glas. does anyone know > what the top temp. is not to burn off the irridized top coating? Kim, the iridized effect results from tiny flakes of metal that have been "grown" on the surface of the glass in a highly technical and expensive process (hence the higher price of iridized glass). I'm sure others are going to give you more feedback on this, but if you fuse a piece of clear to the iridized surface, you mash all those little flakes down, keep them from catching the light and reflecting in the way you'd really hoped they would. On the other hand, taking the temp too high, even when top glass isn't fused to the iridized surface, will burn off the coating, I'm sure. Others here will jump in and correct/addto this inept and badly explained thoughts of mine on the subject, so check back. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 11:46:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Help in making my own cement and grout Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.91016.0> Precedence: bulk EXCELLENT reply, Elisabeth! Thank = you for taking the time... I would have myself if I weren't up to the ears in = this show. Whenever I see those expensive stepping stone mixtures at the suppliers, I have to roll my eyes and wonder what we'll be selling next... the Emperor's clothes??!! ;0 Back to the drawing board! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 12:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: electric glory holes? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199806111926.PAA12198@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Has anyone built an electric powered glory hole? I am thinking of a table top > sized unit; maybe 4" opening max. I would prefer electric because of safety > concerns. Gas is actually quite safe, since you'd be installing a "fire-eye," a device that watches the flame. if and when the flame disappears, the fire-eye automatically shuts off the gas. Electricity would be phenomenally expensive to run in a glory hole, since the bulk of the generated heat would simply blow off, meaning the elements would be running on high *all the time. But don't take my word for it (if it's worth anything a'tall), get Henry Halem's book on hot glass studio construction. It's Glass Notes: A reference guide for the glass artist [Halem, Henry: 1996. 304 pages, 3rd edition] from Franklin Mills Press, PO Box 906, Kent OH 44240. Phone: (330) 673-8632. Fax: (330) 677-2488. E-mail: hhalem@glassnotes.com Web site: http://www.glassnotes.com They give Guild members a discount on the book, by the way. See suppsupp.htm below. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 13:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: electric glory holes? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <199806111850.OAA07603@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > Gas is actually quite safe, since you'd be installing a "fire-eye," a > device that watches the flame. if and when the flame disappears, the > fire-eye automatically shuts off the gas. Electricity would be No, actually I would not be installing a "fire-eye"; hence my concerns. I am talking really small-scale; low budget. I believe some company makes something similar to what I envision: a coffee can or slightly larger sized insulated box heated by a Hot-Head torch or Minor Burner. I forget where I saw it though; no fire-eye there either. But I have fears of the flame going out for some reason -- why? perhaps I sneeze on it, or whatever -- then filling and reigniting inside the hot box, and blowing the 2300 degree cover off into my face. Not pleasant. > phenomenally expensive to run in a glory hole, since the bulk of the > generated heat would simply blow off, meaning the elements would be > running on high *all the time. Well, true they would be on most/all the time, but if I could heat this small a space with 18 amps at 110 V? That's only about 20 cents per hour, running continuously, at my local electric rates. I could afford that, even 3 times that. Even my Minor Burner uses something like $1 per hour of oxygen (the propane, of course, being negligible cost compared to compressed oxygen). -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 13:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Doing a Credit Check Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.103126.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. Here's a question for the wholesale business owners. How do you go about doing a credit check for a client that requests a Net 30 or Net anything account? Any suggestions for how to do a credit check would be most appreciated. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 14:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: electric glory holes? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:45:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199806112130.RAA18596@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > No, actually I would not be installing a "fire-eye"; hence my concerns. I am > talking really small-scale; low budget. I believe some company makes something > similar to what I envision: a coffee can or slightly larger sized insulated > box heated by a Hot-Head torch or Minor Burner. I forget where I saw it > though; no fire-eye there either. Oh, I remember what you might have seen ... I think if you check with Gil Reynolds at Fusion Headquarters, Inc., 15500 NE Kincaid Road, Newberg OR 97132. Phone: (503) 538-5281. Fax: (503) 538-6527. E-mail: glaswiz@teleport.com Web site: http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz he'll be able to point you in the right direction. Other than that, there's always Henry Halem's book for some highly recommended advice and input if you're working with hot glass. > But I have fears of the flame going out for some reason -- why? perhaps I > sneeze on it, or whatever -- then filling and reigniting inside the hot box, > and blowing the 2300 degree cover off into my face. Not pleasant. Yes, I understand your concern. The thing is, though, if the furnace is at 2300 degrees, the gas can't go out with a mere sneeze. If it did, it'd pop right back on anyway because the glory hole itself would be hot enough to reignite it. If you were called away to the phone, though, and the gas went off long enough for the device to cool down below the gas flash point, it wouldn't reignite when the gas came back on, so okay ... if you're not going to use a fire-eye, you're probably right to err on the side of safety. > Well, true they would be on most/all the time, but if I could heat this small > a space with 18 amps at 110 V? That's only about 20 cents per hour, running > continuously, at my local electric rates. I could afford that, even 3 times > that. Even my Minor Burner uses something like $1 per hour of oxygen (the > propane, of course, being negligible cost compared to compressed oxygen). Yeah, I was visualizing a *big glory hole, one like furnace workers use. The small device you're planning would run a lot cheaper. Hope you find what you're looking for. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 15:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kcotcher@aol.com Subject: Re: irridized glass Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:04:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.0445.0> References: <<1998Jun11.134846.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kim I don't know the temperature at which the Irridised coating burns off, but I have found that fusing the whole upside down (i.e. irridised coating down on the shelf) retains the irridesence, although with some marking from the shelf, or mould. Steve In message <1998Jun11.134846.0@?>, Kcotcher@aol.com writes >I am trying to fuse some irriized glass and poof the pretty coating >disappeared. i covered the top with a clear piece of glas. does anyone know >what the top temp. is not to burn off the irridized top coating? > >Kim Cotcher >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 17:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Inspiration Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.154141.0> Precedence: bulk I was at the local glass store and a woman came in with a small panel she had made. What an incredible piece of work. It was perhaps 12-15 inches long, 8-10 inches high, with an elaborate border of circles and pinwheeles and a complicated picture of a South American village. It was gift for the woman she had depicted in the window. The detail was incredible! She does these things for her own pleasure. You know, you don't always have to go to a museum to see extraordinary work. Sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time. Now I must relinquish the computer to my daughter so whe can type up a paper. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 18:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Tax ID numbers, consignments, yadda yadda yadda Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:46:02 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun12.0462.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all: Just wanted to add this: the craft mall-type shop where I sell my glass provides all artists/crafters with small electronic security stickers (you have to buy them - about 10cents each - and they are optional). Well worth it at 10 cents pop. Look for established and reputable places which offer "services", or options such as this. They are showing that they cover all bases for you - and some places do! PS - I'm in PA, and my shop recieves 6% of all sales - no taxes that I have to deal with, except maybe a local tax, and that depends on the city or township the shop is in. Now, to go into a craft show, that is another story - have to call the fiscal office and do all the paperwork and apply for the ID #. Only need to go through the federal forms if there is bank account in the business name or if you have employees. That is all that I know. (it helps to have a brother who is a fine woodworker with a degree in accounting!) think big thoughts, relish small pleasures. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 19:17:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dragon patterns? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.172519.0> References: <<1998Jun10.163936.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri: There's a "cute" dragon in the book SUNSHINES by Donna Schulze. Might be just what you're looking for. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 19:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------260B6615DA9753881EF49DEB" Subject: Nothing to do with glass Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.114324.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------260B6615DA9753881EF49DEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds here. But thought some of you would like some humor in your friday, I certainly did. Regards~ Pam Subject: MICROSOFT TESTS NUCLEAR DEVICE AT SECRET HANFORD FACILITY REDMOND (BNN)--World leaders reacted with stunned silence as Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) conducted an underground nuclear test at a secret facility in eastern Washington state. The device, exploded at 9:22 am PDT (1622 GMT/12:22 pm EDT) today, was timed to coincide with talks between Microsoft and the US Department of Justice over possible antitrust action. "Microsoft is going to defend its right to market its products by any and all necessary means," said Microsoft CEO Bill Gates. "Not that I'm anti-government" he continued, "but there would be few tears shed in the computer industry if Washington were engulfed in a bath of nuclear fire." Scientists pegged the explosion at around 100 kilotons. "I nearly dropped my latte when I saw the seismometer" explained University of Washington geophysicist Dr. Whoops Blammover, "At first I thought it was Mt. Rainier, and I was thinking, damn, there goes the mountain bike vacation." In Washington, President Clinton announced the US Government would boycott all Microsoft products indefinitely. Minutes later, the President reversed his decision. "We've tried sanctions since lunchtime, and they don't work," said the President. Instead, the administration will initiate a policy of "constructive engagement" with Microsoft. Microsoft's Chief Technology Officer Nathan Myrhvold said the test justified Microsoft's recent acquisition of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation from the US Government. Not only did Microsoft acquire "kilograms of weapons grade plutonium" in the deal, said Myrhvold, "but we've finally found a place to dump those millions of unsold copies of Microsoft Bob." Myrhvold warned users not to replace Microsoft NT products with rival operating systems. "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a radioisotope thermoelectric generator inside of every Pentium II microprocessor," said Myrhvold, "but anyone who installs an OS written by a bunch of long-hairs on the Internet is going to get what they deserve." The existence of an RTG in each Pentium II microprocessor would explain why the microprocessors, made by the Intel Corporation, run so hot. The Intel chips "put out more heat than they draw in electrical power" said Prof. E. E. Thymes of MIT. "This should finally dispell those stories about cold fusion." Rumors suggest a second weapons development project is underway in California, headed by Microsoft rival Sun Microsystems. "They're doing all of the development work in Java," said one source close to the project. The development of a delivery system is said to be holding up progress. "Write once, bomb anywhere is still a dream at the moment." Meanwhile, in Cupertino, California, Apple interim-CEO Steve Jobs was rumored to be in discussion with Oracle CEO Larry Ellison about deploying Apple's Newton technology against Microsoft. "Newton was the biggest bomb the Valley has developed in years," said one hardware engineer. "I'd hate to be around when they drop that product a second time." posted on 14 May 1998 Copyright 1998 by the Bogus News Network. ************************** --------------260B6615DA9753881EF49DEB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------260B6615DA9753881EF49DEB-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 11 21:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nothing to do with glass Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:39:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun11.193917.0> References: <<1998Jun11.114324.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks Pam, great chuckle, needed that. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Well I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds here. But thought some of > you would like some humor > in your friday, I certainly did. > Regards~ > > Pam > > Subject: MICROSOFT TESTS NUCLEAR DEVICE AT SECRET HANFORD FACILITY > > REDMOND (BNN)--World leaders reacted with stunned silence as Microsoft > Corp. (MSFT) conducted an underground nuclear test at a secret facility > in > eastern Washington state. The device, exploded at 9:22 am PDT (1622 > GMT/12:22 pm EDT) today, was timed to coincide with talks between > Microsoft and the US Department of Justice over possible antitrust > action. > <<<>>>> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 05:00:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:53:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Pittsburgh Glass and Youghigheny Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.25258.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel, There is a beautiful Tiffany window in a church on the North side of Pittsburgh.. I had found it completely by accident.. There was a flea market at that church on Saturday afternoon.. After looking over the sale items, I wandered in the main part of the church and nearly had heart failure, there it was, 3 great panels.. At one time this church had been in the most precious part of Pgh., but like many parts of an inner city, the area has declined.. Also, not to sound morbid, when I lived in Squirrel Hill part of Pgh., there was a Victorian Cemetery, Homewood Cemetery that had many mosoliums done in stained glass.. When walking my dogs, ( this place as many Victorian era cemeteries were to be park like, plus, the caretakers liked the dog group, kept the vandalism down) I was awed by all the beautiful windows. If you need any help with directions e mail me back.. I hope by this weekend to have the PC at home working.. Actually will be buying a new one tomorrow.. The brown out we had last Sunday fried it.. There is also the Mellon home built by Frank Lloyd Wright that might have some of his glass designs, do not know for sure (Fallingwaters).. If I can help any further leave me know. Please mail to my home address: 3hounds@usaor.net Thanks Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 06:48:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fallingwater Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.45711.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk If anyone is within traveling distance of Bear Run, PA, Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater is a must see. I don't remember stained glass in the house, there was so much to wonder about in this beautiful structure. Unfortunately, the house is deteriorating due to weather, materials, and other factors. There is a debate whether this house should be preserved at a large cost or let it deteriorate. If the decision is made to let the house deteriorate, then I would say by all means go an see a beautiful architectural structure now, regardless if there is stained glass in the house or not. It is an experience. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 07:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Sandblasting Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:39:46 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun12.133946.0> Precedence: bulk I need to set up blasting equipment, (a cabinet & air compressor...) and would like suggestions/recommendations/advice. We are running the gamut here, considering everything from a homemade cabinet to a professionally made one. Thnks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 07:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lamp transfer Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.6436.0> Precedence: bulk i don't know if this question will make any sense, but... i'm up to the rounded part of my lamp. it's 13" in diameter, and roughly half of that height. i need to make the pattern on the globe, and on paper, as a pattern. but i can't figure out the best way to "cut?" the paper so it fits comfortably on the dome. i've thought of ways of using saran wrap, but that's going to be in effiecient. there must be some mathamatical way... btw i'm up to about 2100 pieces now, and there's still designing left to do... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 08:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "iguanas@echonyc.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: FYI - ICQ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.63435.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk for those that seek - http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/other/business/story/12896.html rumor has been that Mirabilis was planning to start charging for ICQ, now who knows? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 08:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fallingwater Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:45:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.64556.0> References: <<1998Jun12.45711.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk As my fading memory serves, there is a Tiffany 'Lotus' desk lamp in one of the bedrooms, and some small pieces in the guest house. Unfortunatly, I had film problems ( I use a mail away lab, shot 3 rolls on the Yough trip, one's gone missing, one came back blank, the good one only has about 8 pictures about glass- AAARRRGG.) aside to Melanie - do you still want the article, - I don't have many photos, none from the glassworks. I've not responded due to many hours on the phone trying to find my film. Carol Tombro wrote: > I don't remember stained glass in > the house, there was so much to wonder about in this beautiful > structure. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 09:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Pittsburgh church and than some Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun12.7463.0> Precedence: bulk Daniela and Daniel, here is the address to the church that has the Tiffany on the Northside: Calvary United Methodist Church Allegheny and Beech Avenues Pittsburgh, PA 15233 Office Tel. 412-231-2007 At a more general level, perhaps you all are already up on the stuff, but if you wanted, I suspect that Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation could actually arrange a tour for you of various architectures using beveled, etched and stained glasses from differing periods. ( this was offered by the person who I asked the address of the church of, he is a resident of the area) Might be interesting. Gloria 3hounds@usaor.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 13:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:26:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun12.192618.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone I just recently had success in dealing with pushy tele-marketers. When they call you its usually at the wrong time (if anytime is right). This is what you do. Once you get a chance to interrupt them, politely mention that you are right in the middle of something, and could they give you their home number so you could call them back at a more convenient time, like maybe during their dinner. The last tele-marketer hung up immediately, how rude. Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 14:04:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: To: marycooper@hotmail.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:24:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun12.202433.0> Precedence: bulk Mary, Years ago my husband made me a homemade sandblasting cabinet. It worked great. We used plexiglass in the area where you would be looking through. Also we used the strong (yellow) rubber gloves and siliconed them in for you to work with. It worked great!! I am not using it now and haven't for several years but it was a lot better than spending big money to get one already made. Anyone with any type of carpentry skills should be able to make one fairly easy. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 17:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fremont Glass & Ficher Glass Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:57:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <> Precedence: bulk Steve Richard schrieb: > Thanks Herbert for this information on Fisher. I had heard that Fisher > was no longer producing, so this confirmation is welcome, but very sad. > > I have heard a rumor that Desag has stopped producing art glass too. Is > this correct? Auf wiederseen. Yes, Desag end (stop) at end of 1998. But only Colorescent, Opalescent and Danziger (Danziger = mouth blow glass). Maybe other too, but i am not sure. Also "auf wiedersehen". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 19:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Please Re-instate Me On List Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:15:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun13.11520.0> Precedence: bulk Apparently I've been "bumped" from Bungi......haven't had mail for a week...and I KNOW that can't happen. Besides, I'm experiencing withdrawal systems...so PLEASE take me back? Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 12 22:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:19:15 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun13.41915.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-12 16:05:56 EDT, you write: << Once you get a chance to interrupt them, politely mention that you are right in the middle of something, and could they give you their home number so you could call them back at a more convenient time, like maybe during their dinner. The last tele-marketer hung up immediately, how rude. Alex Gacic >> I get these IMs from people trying to get me interested in their "Home Based Businesses" (rip-offs). Yesterday I got one that started "Are you a real go- getter? Are you looking for ways to make more money?" I wrote back that I was lazy and had all the money I needed. (not true but it worked). We also get phone calls from the local newspaper wanting to sell us a subscription. My husband told them "I can't read". They didn't know what to say. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 02:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!shop From: "shop@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glass Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.102320.0> Precedence: bulk I received this odd email this morning. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the writer is trying to say? I dont know if it is an insult or a compliment, but cannot for the life of me work out what it is about. Is it a bit of North American humour that has not travelled well or what? I am forwarding this to bungi because I recognise the name from the other postings EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:46:48 -0700 >From: Cindy Pesonen >To: shop@stainedglass.co.uk >Subject: glass > >Yo right!! >You give begining to the word,.... dumb. >Many lean on learning. >You have not. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 02:44:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!sglass1 From: "jean pay" To: glass@bungi.com, AlexG2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:31:15 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun13.13115.0> Precedence: bulk here my 2 cents, just say please do not solicite, take my name off your lists!(get the name of company) If they dont cease you can have legal action taken against them. jean >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Jun 12 13:10:50 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 >From: >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:26:18 EDT >Message-ID: <1998Jun12.192618.0> >Precedence: bulk > >Hi, everyone > >I just recently had success in dealing with pushy tele-marketers. When they >call you its usually at the wrong time (if anytime is right). > >This is what you do. > >Once you get a chance to interrupt them, politely mention that you are right >in the middle of something, and could they give you their home number so you >could call them back at a more convenient time, like maybe during their >dinner. > >The last tele-marketer hung up immediately, how rude. > >Alex Gacic >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 03:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re : glass Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:30:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.103026.0> Precedence: bulk I received this odd email this morning. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the writer is trying to say? I dont know if it is an insult or a compliment, but cannot for the life of me work out what it is about. Is it a bit of North American humour that has not travelled well or what? I am forwarding this to bungi because I recognise the name from the other postings EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:46:48 -0700 >From: Cindy Pesonen >To: shop@stainedglass.co.uk >Subject: glass > >Yo right!! >You give begining to the word,.... dumb. >Many lean on learning. >You have not. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 03:40:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, marycooper@hotmail.com Subject: Sandblasting Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 05:39:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199806130939.FAA19400@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I need to set up blasting equipment, (a cabinet & air compressor... ) and would like suggestions/recommendations/advice.<< I recommend you build your own. I have a name brand cabinet that cost $1400.00 and could have been built for about $60.00. Use some of the money saved to buy a good pressure pot system. The cheap syphon systems are for cheap work IMO. Make basic cabinet about 36" wide by 24" high from 1/2" or thicker plywood and cover back wall of blast area with sheet rubber. Seal joints with silicone. Mount to wall or make legs from 2 X4s. Design a pass through and the size of a flat piece that can be blasted is doubled. You can make wooden stops that close the pass through when not in use. A sealed beam floodlight can be mounted inside. Wire it to come on from a convient switch mounted on the outside. Have the vacuum wired to come on when the light is on. You made no reference to a vacuum for removing air and blast dust form the cabinet. Very important for your health. Scatt has one for about $275.00. Someone else suggested a piece of plexy glass or something like that for the window. Good idea. Another idea is to ALSO place a piece of ordinary 1/8" glass on the blast side of the plexy. Can be cheaply replaced. Otherwise you will be replacing the plexy often as the grit rebounds and quickly pits the window area. Locate your compressor away from the cabinet so the noise in the work area is reduced. I also have my vacuum outside (of course I have a new hole in my wall) for sound reduction and the fact that its exhaust is best vented outside. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 06:31:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 05:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, It appears to be some kind of Haiku. There is nothing in it that shows any special signs of North American culture except maybe the "yo". Maybe the writer will enlighten us. Sarah >I received this odd email this morning. >Can anyone enlighten me as to what the writer is trying to say? >I dont know if it is an insult or a compliment, but cannot for the life of >me work out what it is about. >Is it a bit of North American humour that has not travelled well or what? >I am forwarding this to bungi because I recognise the name from the other >postings >EliZabeth >Bournemouth Stained Glass >http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > >>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:46:48 -0700 >>From: Cindy Pesonen >>To: shop@stainedglass.co.uk >>Subject: glass >> >>Yo right!! >>You give begining to the word,.... dumb. >>Many lean on learning. >>You have not. >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 08:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:14:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.41416.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mary... I am making my own cabinet with 3/4 inch plywood... I bought a set of do it yourself plans and some of the hardware from a place called Tip Tools... If I remember right they are at http://www.tiptools.com and will send you a free catalog. I bought the plans,a set of long gloves with flanges,a multiple piece window and a few other items and it was like $75....Spend your money on a good pressure pot blaster. You can build yer own cabinet pretty cheap... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Mary Cooper To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 1:29 AM Subject: Sandblasting >I need to set up blasting equipment, (a cabinet & air compressor...) and >would like suggestions/recommendations/advice. >We are running the gamut here, considering everything from a homemade >cabinet to a professionally made one. >Thnks! > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 09:39:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pdq.net!wendyl From: "Wendy Larson PDQ" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: new to list and s.g. Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1986 10:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1986Jun13.55755.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01B0228C.F5C07500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am new to stained glass, taking lessons the last month and have = finished 4 pieces and 1 window. Any suggestions on the best sights on = net, best "step by step books" and especially patterns for begginers. My = biggest problem is leding the outer edges on "suncatchers" if they have = alot of sharp angle sections....Looking for any advice. By the way I do = all my cutting on an Inland Wet Dry saw. Never like the hand cutting = tools. The saw makes such nice easy and smooth cuts and intricate = shapes. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01B0228C.F5C07500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am new to stained glass, taking = lessons the=20 last month and have finished 4 pieces and 1 window. Any suggestions on = the best=20 sights on net, best "step by step books" and especially = patterns for=20 begginers. My biggest problem is leding the outer edges on=20 "suncatchers" if they have alot of sharp angle = sections....Looking for=20 any advice. By the way I do all my cutting on an Inland Wet Dry saw. = Never like=20 the hand cutting tools. The saw makes such nice easy and smooth cuts and = intricate shapes.
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01B0228C.F5C07500-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 10:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806131607.JAA18067@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Please accept my apoloizes for my rudeness. And take me off the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 10:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:22:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 12:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: <199806131616.MAA14350@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > Once you get a chance to interrupt them, politely mention that you are >right > in the middle of something, and could they give you their home number so you > could call them back at a more convenient time, like maybe during their > dinner. > > The last tele-marketer hung up immediately, how rude. > > Alex Gacic > >> > >I get these IMs from people trying to get me interested in their "Home Based >Businesses" (rip-offs). Yesterday I got one that started "Are you a real go- >getter? Are you looking for ways to make more money?" > >I wrote back that I was lazy and had all the money I needed. (not true but it >worked). > >We also get phone calls from the local newspaper wanting to sell us a >subscription. My husband told them "I can't read". They didn't know what to >say. > >Dianne That's a good one! We get calls from people trying to sell us their lawn services. My husband says "we have one square foot of grass and we're trying to kill that." Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 12:06:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:26:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.82645.0> Precedence: bulk What is really annoying is when they have a computer call you at supper time and you hang up only to call you back immediately because the timer didn't expire. My solution was to wait and jot down the toll-free number, then go to my computer and have it call the toll-free every five minutes. After about 2 hours (24 calls that they have to pay for). I call them and ask if they have been getting a lot of hang-ups. When they say yes ... I tell them that I'll make a deal " You take my number off your list and I'll take your number of my list. If not, my computer will call you every 3 minutes 24 hrs a day for a week." Technology works both ways. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 12:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Input.... Input .... Input Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.9159.0> Precedence: bulk OK everybody I am quickly running out of bios. Everyone on this list is equally interesting. All of the personal feedback I'm getting is positive. How about some biographies from our friends in Europe, UK, Asia, Down-Under. I know you are there ... I can hear you breathing! Don't worry about your command of English (especially those in the UK (8-) ) If I need help, I have friends and students who speak different languages (including Swahili). Come on all of you lurkers submit your bios to me pkelly@n-link.com Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS Elisabeth is going to hurt me real bad for the "UK" comment so please hurry while I can still type. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 12:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 27 Susan Walden Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:44:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.84447.0> Precedence: bulk Susan Walden Alabama hobbyist Well, okay. I had already posted my little bio, but for those of you who were lucky enough to have missed it... I am a 32 yr. old from North Alabama. I started doing stained glass about 8 years ago. I had always loved looking at the old Victorian windows, so one day I decided I would learn this wonderful craft. Well, as luck would have it, there wasn't a stained glass shop around this area. The closest one was in Birmingham. Thats about a 90 min. drive. Checked out every book available in the library. I read and re-read. Then we made the trip to Birmingham for supplies. The store owners there were very helpful, answering any questions I had. I bought glass, foil, and all the tools, went home and started working. First, I did alot of cheesey suncatchers. Then I ventured upon my first window. I think it had 10 pieces!! I was hooked. Now I do the scopes, cheesey suncatchers, windows and mosaics. A LOT of mosaics. ( A good way to use up scraps from cheesey suncatchers!) My latest endeavor is the much talked about giraffe window that is to be recessed in a ceiling. I will continue asking for your advice on this as it progresses. I work full time as a framer in an art gallery. I would love to do glass full time, but I haven't got the guts, or the self- discipline I believe it would take to work at home. I admire those of you who do. I'm married, 10 yrs. Have 12 horses, 2 cats. Live in the country on a little 20 acre spread with a few possums.( NO, we don't eat possum, we aren't THAT red-necked) Nice to meet y'all, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 13:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 28 Kaye Sodt Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.85022.0> Precedence: bulk Although I seldom make my presence on bungi known, I've been out here for quite some time and have greatly enjoyed "meeting" so many wonderful folks from whom I've learned a great deal. I'm definitely among the "boring bio" crowd, but here goes.... My name is Kaye Sodt (rhymes with "goat"). I'm a baby-boomer born, raised, and schooled in the Seattle area but currently trapped in the Midwest (Chicago) by my husband's profession. My day job is Registrar (and mother hen) for a couple hundred graduate students at Northwestern University's satellite campus. I got involved in stained glass because of an ugly square of opaque plastic in my front door. Although it served its purpose (preventing people on the porch from staring into my living room), it was definitely lacking in aesthetics. The local community college offered a class in stained glass so I signed up for six weeks (nine years ago). After the course was over, the studio owner/instructor offered extensions, and I've been spending almost every Thursday evening there ever since. A lot of people have come and gone from the group (at nine years I'm the "senior" member) but there is always an interesting group who gather with their projects and offer advice, good-natured criticism, and constant camaraderie The owner is there to teach the newbies and provide expert assistance/guidance to us all. At a friend's insistence I did one art fair. Sold only enough to break even on my expenses, but I learned alot about what I'd do differently if I ever considered doing it again (highly doubtful). I've done a few small commissions, have sold some stuff on consignment through the studio, and am soon to teach a workshop (my first) on making stepping stones. (But most of my stuff seems to go for gifts.) I enjoy glass as a creative hobby and wish I had more time to devote to it, but I entertain no grand ambition to own my own studio and/or make a living at it. Kaye Sodt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 17:05:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new to list and s.g. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:08:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun13.23820.0> Precedence: bulk I too am new to the list so I hope I am doing this right. I found the Wardell book Introduction to Stained Glass to be a terrific beginner book. Not only does it have instructions on nearly every facet of stained glass, but it has full-size patterns for 17 projects including suncatchers, dresser box, several small windows, flowerpots and a lamp. For patterns, the Spectrum Glass web site has a great selection that you can either print or download. They even come with glass color suggestions. As for beading the outside edge, I had the same problem. You have to keep the part you are beading as horizontal as you can, turning the work as you go to keep the part you are soldering horizontal. Also, tin the foil all the way around first with a thin coat of solder. Then go back and dab small amounts of solder at a time so that the bead stands up. You don't need more flux when you go back over it. I find the less flux I use, the better the solder beads up. You're lucky to have the saw. Although I love to cut by hand, I just finished cutting out a window using some Uroboros glass and wish I had had a saw. I've got half a case of tendonitis, a big blister and will have a heck of a lot of grinding to do. It may be beautiful glass (it is!), but it's a bugger to cut. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 19:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Doing a Credit Check Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:27:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun14.12726.0> Precedence: bulk Two simple, basic steps: Bank Reference: 1.Get the name and branch location of the bank where the business banks, AND if at all possible, the name of the person who handles the account (such as a bank officer)..Most sizable or long standing companies have a need to borrow at one time or another, and usually that will cause the commercial bank where they go to assign an officer, or manager. That person usually knows your customer best. 2. Ask for several (at least three) trade references, perhaps other artists, but in all cases, people with whom they have a track record. In both cases, call and ask questions like, how long have you known this company? what are your usual terms with them(30,60, etc.) Do they handle the account as agreed? and so on. If your customer doesn't want to give you this info, don't give them credit. If the references are reluctant to talk to you, explain that you need this to consider extending credit. If you can't get this info, dont give them credit. The major credit bureau for business, is Dunn & Bradstreet. Unless things have changed, you have to be a member to get reports from them. Usually not worth it, as most times, they develop profiles on companies, by reporting back, EXACTALLY the info they are given , when they call your prospective customer. I remember once my wife and I were reluctant to get on people who owed us money, for fear they's be offended, and stop dealing with us!!! Think about that!! You don't want or need business ever, from those who don't pay, or pay on time!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 13 20:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: jean pay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:00:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun13.19017.0> References: <<1998Jun13.13115.0>> Precedence: bulk Jean I agree with you. I just say put me on the DO NOT call list. It has cut down on annoyance calls by 90% over the last couple on months. Goldpaws jean pay wrote: > here my 2 cents, just say please do not solicite, take my name off your > lists!(get the name of company) If they dont cease you can have legal > action taken against them. jean > > >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Jun 12 13:10:50 1998 > >Received: by daver.bungi.com > > via smail with stdio > > id > > for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) > > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) > >X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 > >From: > >To: glass@bungi.com > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Subject: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers > >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:26:18 EDT > >Message-ID: <1998Jun12.192618.0> > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Hi, everyone > > > >I just recently had success in dealing with pushy tele-marketers. When > they > >call you its usually at the wrong time (if anytime is right). > > > >This is what you do. > > > >Once you get a chance to interrupt them, politely mention that you are > right > >in the middle of something, and could they give you their home number > so you > >could call them back at a more convenient time, like maybe during their > >dinner. > > > >The last tele-marketer hung up immediately, how rude. > > > >Alex Gacic > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 00:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:55:28 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun14.65528.0> Precedence: bulk When a telemarketer calls, my favorite response is to interrupt right in the middle of their spiel and ask them what they are wearing. They usually get real quite and I ask "Are you wearing your boots? Go get your boots on". They get freaked out and hang up. Itsa hoot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 07:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kcotcher From: To: glass@bungi.com (glass bungi line) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: bio #29 Kim Cotcher Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:59:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun14.13596.0> Precedence: bulk Hi My name is Kim Cotcher. I live in a tiny place in the Texas hill country called Pipe Creek. I live on 11 acres with my husband George and my two daughters Kelly and Kate.We have 1 emu, Laura and one dog ,Lady a great perinese and two lop earred rabbits named Freckles and Critter. I have been married to George for 15 years and he likes to paint, play electric guitar and work on an old 1947 dodge. I have a studio on the property that used to be the old ranch house 40 years ago. It is really cool with knotty pine cielings and walls (george thinks it is like a coffin:) ). I have been in the jewelry biz for 10 years and picked up stained glass last year when I was trying to figure out how to make jewelry from broken china. I now work on some scopes and do mostly fused glass. I was at a show this weekend and saw some of the best fused dichoic cabachons ever by a lady in ca. I am hoping to do more with stained glass but in I am in transition with the biz and just don't have as much time for it as i would like. I am hoping to open my studio up to the public for retail sales as well as classes in stained glass. I love to teach hands on work such as quilting and glass work. I am going to buy my ring saw on monday and i am so excited about using it. I have seen so many great things to do with the different shapes it can cut out. I do a lot of shows and am planning to start doing more art shows next year. I had such a good response to my jewelry that it will be a good of my biz. I am going to the big convention in Houston on July 10-11 and am looking forward to learning so much more about fused glass. So far just I bought a book and just started out working. i have found a lot of help over the net and appreciate all of it. I have not found anybody in San Antonio who fuses glass. Well that is the short of it. This is a good group and i am enjoying the info. By the way did anyone save all the bios? I guess i really got in on them late because I only have #27 and #28. If so please email me. God Bless, Kim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 09:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:47:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Doing a Credit Check Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:46:11 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun14.154611.0> Precedence: bulk I am the controller of a medium size mail order hobby supply company who also sells wholesale to hobby stores on open account. Most banks will not give information over the phone these days -- they want a signed authorization from the account holder to give information. They will usually do it by fax if you have that authorization. Your best bet is to type up a credit application with the information you want, such as type of business (corporation, proprietorship, etc.) and when they started. I personally never give credit to someone who has been in business less than a year, but we are real cautious because some of our products are quite expensive. You also need at least five credit references because usually a few don't reply. Many don't reply by phone but will reply by fax. When you call the references find out what dollar volume they are doing with the applicant and how long they have been doing business. Also how well they handle whatever dollar volume they are dealing at. It's easier to meet terms on a $50 bill than a $5000 bill. Also ask if they have had any returned checks and if they did whether it was made good quickly. Any more than one bounced check is a sign that the company can't manage it's money (anyone can bounce one check but they should make it good immediately). As far as collection, if you don't have your payment within 3-4 days of when it was due, call. I also handle the other side of our business, accounts payable. When we run short of money, it's the people who call me to find out where the check is that get paid. That's just the way it is -- the squeaky wheel gets the grease (i.e., money). You don't have to get mean about it, just something like "Hi, just checking to see if you mailed my check yet." If they haven't yet, say "Well the terms were net 30. I'd appreciate your sending the check right." It's hard the first couple of times, but it gets easier. Just keep in mind it's your money! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 10:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Just blowing off steam... Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun14.83643.0> Precedence: bulk ...and I'm wet enough to creat LOTS of steam. For those of you craft fair minded people, we've done four outdoors spring shows. It's rained during three of them, and was ovecast and windy at the fourth (the rain started tenminutes after the fair ended! Yesterday's was a light drizzle until 1:00 when the skies opened up and the thunder and lightning started! So...what could have been great shows become merely adequate shows. It's the chance you take. By the way, most of my sales yesterday were stepping stones, which looked quite lovely out in the rain. If the rain ever stops, I have a canopy and a tarp and a bunch of table cloths to dry out! (And I have all this lovely glass that hasn't seen sunshine all spring!) Ok, guys, I feel better now. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 11:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: humblely wishes to come back Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806141607.JAA20423@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >To: glass-request@bungi.com >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >Subject: humblely wishes to come back > >Thank you guys for your personal emails, I promise to be a better person. >I've had some health problems and so sorry for lashing out. >Please forgive me, Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 12:38:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Doing a Credit Check Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:56:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199806141945.PAA23527@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Your best bet is to type up a credit application with the information you > want, such as type of business (corporation, proprietorship, etc.) and when > they started. For an example of someone else's credit application, see http://www.sanitarysupplyco.com/credit.htm I went to http://www.altavista.digital.com/ and searched on +credit +application to find over 500,000 references. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 15:09:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:30:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199806142132.WAA17469@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk MMmmmm! Like it! For one thing; as a "private individual" I am ex-directory, so I rarely get this problem. I get the odd "stray cat"; then I launch myself into a "lonely, looney foreigner" routine, trying to convert them to Old Viking religion. I wax lyrical over (imaginary) Viking recipes that calls for juniper-smoked boy-steaks.... I am more pestered with the door-to-door knockers, selling goodness knows what. I was lambasted and harrassed by the tv licence people for the last 6 months by letters (which I tore up). Their official who came knocking on my door ended up apologizing to me for harrassment (... and would I give her my phone number, so that the licence authority could contact me and apologize in person...? Not bl*&$% likely!!, said I KILL, Toby! K I L L !! GGggghrrrrrrr! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK! (who also dutifully posted his Bio with Patrick....!) Patrick wrote: What is really annoying is when they have a computer call you at supper time and you hang up only to call you back immediately because the timer didn't expire. My solution was to wait and jot down the toll-free number, then go to my computer and have it call the toll-free every five minutes. After about 2 hours (24 calls that they have to pay for). I call them and ask if they have been getting a lot of hang-ups. When they say yes ... I tell them that I'll make a deal " You take my number off your list and I'll take your number of my list. If not, my computer will call you every 3 minutes 24 hrs a day for a week." ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 16:40:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Just blowing off steam... Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:47:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun14.144755.0> References: <<1998Jun14.83643.0>> Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > ...and I'm wet enough to creat LOTS of steam. For those of you craft > fair minded people, we've done four outdoors spring shows. It's rained > during three of them, and was ovecast and windy at the fourth (the rain > started tenminutes after the fair ended! Yesterday's was a light > drizzle until 1:00 when the skies opened up and the thunder and > lightning started! > > So...what could have been great shows become merely adequate shows. > It's the chance you take. By the way, most of my sales yesterday were > stepping stones, which looked quite lovely out in the rain. > > If the rain ever stops, I have a canopy and a tarp and a bunch of table > cloths to dry out! > > (And I have all this lovely glass that hasn't seen sunshine all spring!) > > Ok, guys, I feel better now. > > Dorothy K > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ahh the rain, yesterday i was doing a town garage sale. the drizzle i could stand. the quick sun shower i could stand. i even tolorated the rumble of thunder. i was at one house getting a bunch of tools. i noticed the sky turning dark. i decided that was my limit, it got darker and darker. and then it just poured. if you can imagine a mountain bike, with a pannier on the back, with some jerk riding in the rain... and imagine all of that, with that guy holding a bag about the size of a piano bench. by the time i was home i was dripping wet. i later found out that the belt bag i had on my bed turned a part of the sheet blue. apparently a pen i once had exploded, and water is it's solvent. this morning i found out my leg was blue. at first i thought it was a trick of light. now i realized i put the shorts i was wearing in the wash, i hope everything is'nt blue.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 16:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:55:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Grout Question Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 18:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <199806142248.SAA24514@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Good evening fellow Bungians, Could anyone point me in the right direction to either buy and/or make my own indigo grout? We had a try at it - mixed indigo acrylic into white grout, the color was too light. Dumped another tube of acrylic and it was still too light. Then we tried food coloring and Rit dye (!!) and it became rather muddy. Afraid that all we had was a big tub of acrylic & food coloring, we then dumped in some black grout, which made it close to our color, but we were afraid the mixture didn't have enough grout in it, so we dumped it and are hoping we can find some already made, or some suggestions from somebody who knows more than I about grout. Home Depot doesn't have any. Thanks! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 17:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sandblast cabinet Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun14.145834.0> Precedence: bulk yesterday i bought a sand blast cabinet at a garage sale. it's a harbour freight type, bench-top made by central pnuematic. got it for $30 with sand, regulator and guage - they wanted $40. anyway, it's designed for removing rust, which i'll probably use it for. a few questions: i don't know what kind of sand it uses yet (hav'nt looked at it real good yet). does anyone know if this will blast or carve glass? it has a place for the sand. it has a place for a vaccuum. it should be able to etch the glass... also does anyone know the type of compressor used for this? best ype, size, psi, whatever else? is there a particular air pressure used for this purpose? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 18:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nj1.aae.com!mercedes From: Barb/Joe W To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:28:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980614202816.006a3d7c@nj1.aae.com> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 14 20:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: leadlight webring Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:03:11 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun15.22311.0> Precedence: bulk it looks like my email is working again. i'd like to let you know that i have a leadlight webring for those of you who have a web site. You can join at http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/submit.html or for more info about webrings see www.webring.org Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 08:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grout Question Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun15.2170.0> References: <<199806142248.SAA24514@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Don't have a clue about your location, but here in Texas we buy colored grout at a ceramic tile store, Color Tile, to name only one source. My son installs tile and I checked his grout sample and ther is a very dark blue. I spin and weave and use natural dyes in most of my projects. Wonder what the natural dye Indigo would do for your grout? If you decide to try it, I'd be very interested in the results. Nelda suzy@comcat.com wrote: > Good evening fellow Bungians, > > Could anyone point me in the right direction to either buy and/or make my > own indigo grout? > > We had a try at it - mixed indigo acrylic into white grout, the color was > too light. Dumped another tube of acrylic and it was still too light. > Then we tried food coloring and Rit dye (!!) and it became rather muddy. > Afraid that all we had was a big tub of acrylic & food coloring, we then > dumped in some black grout, which made it close to our color, but we were > afraid the mixture didn't have enough grout in it, so we dumped it and > are hoping we can find some already made, or some suggestions from > somebody who knows more than I about grout. Home Depot doesn't have any. > > Thanks! > > Suzanne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 08:25:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Stnglsgrn From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:49:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun15.124931.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Check out www.tiptool.com get there catalog it gives good information on setting up an air system. Generely a vacuum system needs a much larger air compresser than a pressure pot. My Tip model 70 is run off a Campbell Hausfeld 4.5 hp compressor and it runs (compressor) continully (at 40 psi) while I'm etching. The pot holds enough abrasive to allow me to etch for about 40 mins. While I'm refilling the pot the compressor has time to cool down. If I had the bucks I would have bought a larger compressor. Sand is usually not used Aluminum Oxide or Silcon Carbide is the abrasive of choice. Hope this helps. Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 08:58:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:17:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun15.131738.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Just about any sand will etch glass ,however regular sand will wear out very fast and turn to dust,lots of dust. The best amaterial to etch and carve glass with is either Aluminun Oxide, or in my opinion the best being silicon carbide, a little more expensive but lasts much longer and when you blast you will get a light effect when it hits the glass like an extra light in your box (flash effect).It also sharpens itself eeverytime it breaks that is why it lasts so much longer, other abrasives actually are getting duller as you work Silicon Carbide doesn't. Compressors depend pretty much on what you plan to do with your blaster. You want the largest that you can afford and the biggest tank that you can afford , because without fail you will get hooked and want to try bigger and better things with your system. Also try to get a pressure pot system they are much more effecient than a siphon system. The pressure that you use can vary greatly anywhere from 5lbs for light etch to 30 even 40 lbs for deep carving, thats with a pressure system ,a siphon system requires much more pressure than that. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 10:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Sandblast Cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:28:20 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun15.142820.0> Precedence: bulk What a great find! I've been looking for a cabinet for some time, with no luck. It has enabled me to become the World's newest expert on sandblasters and air compressor compatibility, tho. Sandblasters are air pigs. They require great deals of CFM (Cubic air volume, in meteres.) and PSI (pressure per square inch.) You can sand blast effectively at a very low PSI-say, 20-30 PSI, but your requirements of CFM could still be around a range of 5-10. (I'm guessing, of course) Imagine the air picking the sand up, against gravity, moving it through the hoses, and shooting it out of the nozzle hard enough to etch the glass. This is why they need so much air. Shop around for air compressors, and be sure to tell them you plan to sandblast. A small Craftsman-type might get you by, but if your particular cabinet has a high CFM rating, then your air compressor will: 1) Be running all the time, never able to keep up with the air requirements-which is noisy/obnoxious 2) Wear out much faster it should, due to plain and simple overheating. Good luck to you! Mary >yesterday i bought a sand blast cabinet at a garage sale. it's a harbour >freight type, bench-top made by central pnuematic. got it for $30 with >sand, regulator and guage - they wanted $40. > >anyway, it's designed for removing rust, which i'll probably use it for. >a few questions: > >i don't know what kind of sand it uses yet (hav'nt looked at it real >good yet). does anyone know if this will blast or carve glass? it has a >place for the sand. it has a place for a vaccuum. it should be able to >etch the glass... > >also does anyone know the type of compressor used for this? best ype, >size, psi, whatever else? is there a particular air pressure used for >this purpose? > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added >and My Updated Shop Photo's >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 17:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Beveler4@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:25:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun15.132512.0> References: <<1998Jun15.131738.0>> Precedence: bulk Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mike, Just about any sand will etch glass ,however regular sand will wear > out very fast and turn to dust,lots of dust. The best amaterial to etch and > carve glass with is either Aluminun Oxide, or in my opinion the best being > silicon carbide, a little more expensive but lasts much longer and when you > blast you will get a light effect when it hits the glass like an extra light > in your box (flash effect).It also sharpens itself eeverytime it breaks that > is why it lasts so much longer, other abrasives actually are getting duller as > you work Silicon Carbide doesn't. Compressors depend pretty much on what you > plan to do with your blaster. You want the largest that you can afford and the > biggest tank that you can afford , because without fail you will get hooked > and want to try bigger and better things with your system. Also try to get a > pressure pot system they are much more effecient than a siphon system. The > pressure that you use can vary greatly anywhere from 5lbs for light etch to 30 > even 40 lbs for deep carving, thats with a pressure system ,a siphon system > requires much more pressure than that. Beveler4(Stan) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass what would a pressure pot system look like? my guess is that my system is a syphon feed (which is ok, because i dont' have space for a larger one). though i guess it's ok, i can at least practice with that, one, and at the very least get my tools shiney. now i just need to figure out a good sized tank. i need something on wheels, so i can use it with my other air tools. and of course a good make. i figure i'll probably wind up dropping about $150-$300. i know there are more expensive ones then that... but... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 17:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun15.13945.0> References: <<199806142132.WAA17469@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk OK, Elisabeth...I vaguely comprehend ex-directory but what's a tv licence? BTW, my dog Sassy likes to terrify Pizza delivery people. She sounds terrifying, although she's really saying, "Pet me, pet me!" And try as i might, I can't make this glass related....But I'm sure us state siders all want to know. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 17:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Sandblasting Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun15.75739.0> Precedence: bulk We use an old shop vac for this purpose, shooting the exhaust through a hose out a window or door. > > You made no reference to a vacuum for removing air and blast dust > form the cabinet. Very important for your health. Scatt has one for > about $275.00. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 19:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:58:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun15.235817.0> Precedence: bulk Hi again Mike, You can actually make a pressure system with a small propane tank. I have one that I use for small jobs all of the time. You have to weld a pipe fitting to the top 11/2 to 2 inch wide with a screw on cap to put the sand into the tank.Now you weld a small pipe fitting(T-valve) to one side of the tank for the air intake and your hosehookup with a pressure gauge doesn't have to be a real expensive gauge. Mine has a screw type valve to let the pressure into the tank and you adjust it by the amount that you screw it in or out. In this line I also have a hand pressure relief valve that I have wired to a foot pedal so that I can turn the screw for pressure but it isn't actually going anywhere until I step on thefoot valve.. At the bottom of the tank which is actually the top (use the handles as feet)You have a hose that runs from the pressure side of the hose on top(the bottom of the T-valve) down into another T-valve which is screwed into the opening that is already there. Out of the other side of the T-valve is the hose that the sand will be blown thru you can use a heavy clear plastic or rubber hose, and for small work this set up will work fine it holds about 5lbs of abrasive enough for most small jobs. When its empty shut it off and recycle the abrasive by sifting it thru a fine screen back into the top of your tank.You also need to put a moisture trap in line to keep water and oil from mixing with the sand ,this will stop you cold.,this goes anywhere in the line coming from the compressor usually the closer to the final destination the better.And finally call Tip Tools 1-800-321-9260 and order one of their catalogs .Glastar is another more dedicated to the glass industry that you can try1-800-423-5635.Now you got all that there will be a test tomorrow!!!!LOL!!!Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 20:05:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:04:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:04:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun16.041.0> Precedence: bulk Mike I forgot to tell you about the size of the compressor anything from 3hp on up is fine the smaller the system the harder it has to work though. Usually a 5hp with as large an air tank that you can get is sufficient.The air tank size is important the system won't have to work as hard with a large tank. A standard 20gallon tank will be fine for most jobs though.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 15 21:39:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:45:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199806160147.CAA19450@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dorothy (et al), Ok, Ok, Some quaint British rules & regulations.... Here in UK BBC used to be the sole supplier of tv viewing (many moons ago). BBC is - in part - a government creation. So the government in its wisdom devised yet another TAX to get revenue, namely in order to view tv (of any kind), you need to pay government tv licence tax. (There used to be one for radio as well, but this was scrapped at the advent of transistor radios....). Commercial tv was born, YET the government demanded its pound of flesh (i.e. licence) 3rd, 4th and satellite tv made its entrance into thew British scene, YET the government STILL wanted its lkicence fee (under the guise of BBC). So you buy a tv set and our name gets forwarded to the tv licencing authority and - hey presto - Big Brother sends you a demand by mail for the tv licence fee. It is a criminal offence NOT to have a tv licence, Little unmarried girls with six demanding children, all living off state benefits have been sent to prison for not having a tv licence. Detector vans are being sent round the width and breadth of UK to unearth all the criminals who do not possess a tv licence. Officials are sent knocking on doors to demand to see a receipted paid up tv licence. The government appears not to recognize that citizens might not CHOOSE to have a tv and watch the deterioating cr....p that purports to be television.. So if you make a stand to chose NOT to have tv, therefore NOT to pay a tv licence, you are doubly harrassed (because you are guilty before proven innoscent!! [sp?] ) We ALL have to conform to a particular mould. My husband has worked for the BBC for almost 40 years, he doesn't watch tv, he too hasn't got a tv set. I as a free-spirited Swede will be damned if I will allow myself to get sucked into the system or become harrassed by it. I haven't got a tv set either and I will do anything I can to throw the spanners in the works - good and proper!! Juniper-fire - HERE i COME!! Boy-steak??? Yuammmmmmmmies!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in (foreign) UK PIZZA!!? I am drooling for a deep really CHEESY one!!!! Spicy pepparoni, with lots of hot chilli sauce, please!!! Sluuurrrrp.....! E 'n T Dorothy wrote: OK, Elisabeth...I vaguely comprehend ex-directory but what's a tv licence? BTW, my dog Sassy likes to terrify Pizza delivery people. She sounds terrifying, although she's really saying, "Pet me, pet me!" And try as i might, I can't make this glass related....But I'm sure us state siders all want to know. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 04:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Sandblasting Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:23:10 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.102310.0> Precedence: bulk For your protection and that of anyone passing near the exhaust, we would strongly suggest that the vacuum system uses the best filtration possible. Otherwise you will be exhausting particles of grit along with the air. We get "hospital quality" filters to use in ours to avoid this problem. Elizabeth and Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass At 14:57 15/06/98 -0700, you wrote: >We use an old shop vac for this purpose, shooting the exhaust through a hose >out a window or door. > > >> >> You made no reference to a vacuum for removing air and blast dust >> form the cabinet. Very important for your health. Scatt has one for >> about $275.00. >> >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 07:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Home made kilns Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:47:12 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.234712.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks evryone for the advise on my previous questions. Here is another. Is it possible to make our own kiln? I know that the best way is to buy one, and the prices over here are more or less the same. And you get a well made and flaw free product. But I was thinking of a permanent kiln of the size around 3 feet by 3 feet. With such a size I could create a full size fused glass window. Anyway, the answers may at least increase our knowledge. Mike (Savad) you did not respond to the earlier help, how about now? And Toby, I certainly expect to hear from you. And from Albert (Lewis) Thanks, Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 07:21:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help in making my own cement and grout Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:39:28 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.233928.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Help in making my own cement and grout >Dear Shakeel, > >It was when you mentioned Singapore, that my mind clicked into gear. ( rest of the original message removed) Thanks Toby, and every one who responded to my plea for help. Makes one proud to see such solidarity and spirit of generosity among the glass artists. And proud to be a Bungian. (And since the thought just occured to me I will ask a question.) Is it all right to address you all by your first names or nicknames?) I made myself a set of six coasters. Used the cement they use for tiles. It's called Tile Cement here. Though not completely dry yet, they seem to be strong enough for the purpose. My next try will be to see if the cement can hold the stepping weight. The cement is pretty cheap too, I got a 12 kg bag for about US$ 4.00, and I did not use any sand. Thanks a lot. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 07:43:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re webring Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:35:15 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.73515.0> Precedence: bulk there was a couple of broken links which i fixed (i hope) and the html code is missing but i will send it to interested people after they add their site to the queue. We have now 5 sites registered in the ring. not bad for the first week. so it should get officially registered in their directory. keep checking for it at www.webring.org the ring name is "leadlight" you can see the panel at my home page. Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 09:14:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:39:03 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun16.13393.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for everyone's input:; Thanks to Bob for clearing up what CFM REALLY is...I claim to be the worlds newest expert, but believe me: that is strictly a Tounge-in- Cheek claim. I cant be held responsible for all the things that come out of my mouth! (or off the keyboard!) Many references were made to a "pressure Pot"-- (What is a pressure pot, BTW..Is it the same as the vaccum? I've not encoutered this term in my searches before) I understand the need for a vaccum to remove the dust and offending particles--Little nasties you don't want to breathe-The info on some manufactured cabinets suggest a Shop Vac is sufficient. Why or why not? I definetely will go with a home-made cabinet, but am concerned about these issues of vaccum. If it is too difficult to achieve with the homemade cabinet MAYBE I will buy a premade one.... Also, in a homemade situation, how do you reclaim the Blast media? Gravity and a bucket? or is THIS the pressure pot? ooowww My Brain hurts from all this THINKING! By God I just want to sandblast! and soon! Thanks again-- -Mary AKA "The Caffine Princess" AKA " The Torturer of All Things Glass" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 09:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.55635.0> References: <<1998Jun16.102310.0>> Precedence: bulk studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: > > For your protection and that of anyone passing near the exhaust, we would > strongly suggest that the vacuum system uses the best filtration possible. > Otherwise you will be exhausting particles of grit along with the air. We > get "hospital quality" filters to use in ours to avoid this problem. > Elizabeth and Sam > Bournemouth Stained Glass > > At 14:57 15/06/98 -0700, you wrote: > >We use an old shop vac for this purpose, shooting the exhaust through a hose > >out a window or door. > > > > > >> > >> You made no reference to a vacuum for removing air and blast dust > >> form the cabinet. Very important for your health. Scatt has one for > >> about $275.00. > >> > >> > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how about a regular shop vac with it's paper filter? or should i put some sort of pillow case over the exhaust? also what is the proper size of the nozzle to sandblast glass? the nozzle on my unit is about 3/8". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 10:49:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Home made kilns Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.6443.0> References: <<1998Jun16.234712.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Thanks evryone for the advise on my previous questions. > > Here is another. > > Is it possible to make our own kiln? > > I know that the best way is to buy one, and the prices over here are more or > less the same. And you get a well made and flaw free product. > > But I was thinking of a permanent kiln of the size around 3 feet by 3 feet. > With such a size I could create a full size fused glass window. Anyway, the > answers may at least increase our knowledge. > > Mike (Savad) you did not respond to the earlier help, how about now? And > Toby, I certainly expect to hear from you. And from Albert (Lewis) > > Thanks, > > Shakeel Abedi > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Johor > Malaysia > Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 > shakeel@tm.net.my > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i personally no nothing about kilns. the best i have is a marshmellow kiln. a quickfire 6... thats all... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 11:19:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Home made kilns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199806161634.MAA14988@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Is it possible to make our own kiln? Thank you, Shakeel, for thinking (rightly) that I'd rise to your complimentary evocation of my name and so-called expertise. I've built my own kilns, sure, although I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to say they'd be capable of fusing an entire window in one swell foop. The kilns I built were primarily ceramic kilns, but the principles are the same: firebrick, burners, draft. Get a copy of Henry Halem's "Glass Notes: A Reference for the Glass Artist" published this year (or last) to get the latest edition. What he describes there as "annealing ovens" will work well as slumping kilns. You can get it from Franklin Mills Press, PO Box 906, Kent OH 44240. Phone: (330) 673-8632. Fax: (330) 677-2488. E-mail: hhalem@glassnotes.com Web site: http://www.glassnotes.com/ I saw a terrific slumping/fusing kiln in Switzerland last month: you could have fused a Volkswagen in it! Cool. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 11:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4CCF5CBF7752F9A723C181D2" Subject: Stained Glass Artist webring Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.11959.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4CCF5CBF7752F9A723C181D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy all! You can also check out this webring if you are interested. http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Sorry Gerard but I had to include mine too. Hope your not upset with me! Webrings, are beneficial to your site. It may seem like a strange system to some people, but if it's marketed and managed effectively you will see your site get more hits per day. If your looking for the hits then this might be for you! As far as I know the leadlight webring and the stained glass artist webring are really the only rings that focus on stained glass. As Gerard has indicated, you do have to add and edit some html in your webpage, but it's very easy to do. Glad to see your getting some signers Gerard! Good job. Bye All, Pam --------------4CCF5CBF7752F9A723C181D2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------4CCF5CBF7752F9A723C181D2-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 12:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:50:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun16.15508.0> Precedence: bulk This very important piece of Stan's advice to Mike was buried in the middle of his message: > You also need to put a moisture trap in line to keep > water and oil from mixing with the sand Absolutely a must, even if you live in a very dry climate! I apologize if this sounds like "just another yeah-what-he-said," but this one truly bears repeating lest it be missed. Cleaning out clogged lines is a Major Pain in the Drain. Sparks from the soggy jungles of southeastern Pennsylvania, where right now the air is thick enough to drink... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 12:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:53:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.175314.0> Precedence: bulk At 09:56 16/06/98 -0400, Mike wrote: > >how about a regular shop vac with it's paper filter? or should i put >some sort of pillow case over the exhaust? > Not sure how good this would be, as we have always used special filters obtained from janitorial supplies companies and recommended for hospital use. Probably Monona Rossol may be able to advise on actual type of filters available in USA >also what is the proper size of the nozzle to sandblast glass? the >nozzle on my unit is about 3/8". > All the nozzles we use are tungsten carbide ones with 3/32" diameter hole and are used initially for fine work. They gradually open out as the grit wears them out and are used for different effects/sizes of grit etc. At 3/8" we usually throw them away, or pass them on to someone who just wants to blast rust off metal. Ours come from our stained glass importer and are made by Sanblast, 7075 Route 446, Canfield, OH 44406. Maybe someone on bungi can get a phone # for you. EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 12:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: shakeel@tm.net.my Subject: Re: Home made kilns Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: <199806161635.MAA25974@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > Is it possible to make our own kiln? I did, and it works. Very briefly: IFB (insulated fire brick, 2200 degree F) arranged in a rectanglar shape, over 1/2 inch ceramic insulating board, over 2 inch concrete slab. Kanthal heating element ordered from Duralite (18 amps @ 110V, coiled, length to fit perimeter of interior (it is side heating). They advised me on whether the amperage would be sufficient. I dedicated 1 20 amp circuit for this, and chose 18 amps to give a little margin of safety. Groove cut with table saw into bricks before assembly to accommodate element, held in with short U shaped lengths of same wire pushed into bricks, angled down. Outside covered with 1/2 inch ceramic insulating board, held with refractory mortar. electrical connections made inside standard home construction type electrical junction box, to metal jacketed 2 conductor wire. Lid is also brick, held together by pressure applied by L shaped steel extruded brackets, tightened with long threaded rods, with ceramic board between the brackets and the brick to cushion and even out the pressure. Lid is topped with ceramic board. Handle is wood dowel, attached with threaded rod through the lid, with oversize washers inside as backing plates. There is also a 2" high opening on the bottom front, for small objects (most of our work is beads and marbles). This is closed by inserting IFB blocks sized to fit the opening. Observations: It is very fragile. Not meant to be moved around much. Refractory mortar is not glue, as I discovered! It needs to be tightened up with steel bands around the outside, and the numerous voids filled with a refractory caulking. This should improve the heat retention considerably. The lid is too heavy. Next time I would use a lightweight castable I think. For my workstyle, I think I would prefer a side opening kiln, instead of top opening. One big door to open the entire front, and a smaller door within the door along the bottom to insert small objects without losing as much heat. Use a regulated controller with at least one ramp/soak. Initial cooldown is very rapid. This may be improved by filling the voids, but probably not enough. The junction box gets too hot at fusing temps, but seems OK at annealing temps. This would presumably be improved with additional ceramic board underneath. My connections were made with standard plastic electrical nuts. Not the best choice of course. They melted into most surrealistic stalactite formations! But since the wires were arranged so as not to touch eachother or the box itself, this has not yet been a high priority issue to fix. Everything is inside the grounded box, so, being protected by the line circuit breakers there is no real danger here. (Any tips, anybody, on a high temperature wire nut, or substitute?) Use a GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter). The danger of touching live electrical connections is very high, and should not be ignored. Especially with bead making, with beads inserted still attached to steel mandrels. (To minimize this danger I made the kiln taller than necessary, and located the opening at the bottom and the coils at the top.) Feel free to ask for additional details. (On the list OK? Maybe others interested in this?) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 12:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, toby@northlights.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:52:45 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun16.165245.0> Precedence: bulk Gee, I thought the NEA was bad - to me, the TV license is really criminal. Good for you taking a stand. >Some quaint British rules & regulations.... >Here in UK BBC used to be the sole supplier of tv viewing (many moons >ago). BBC is - in part - a government creation. >So the government in its wisdom devised yet another TAX to get >revenue, namely in order to view tv (of any kind), you need to pay >government tv licence tax. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 13:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:39:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199806161831.OAA20734@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:53:23 > Many references were made to a "pressure Pot"-- (What is a pressure pot, > BTW..Is it the same as the vaccum? I turned up about 400 references to it in http://www.altavista.digital.com/ using "pressure pot" as the search key. Probably the best person to answer this is Norm Dobbins at Professional Glass Consultants, 2442 Cerrillos Road, Suite 350, Santa Fe NM 87505-3262. Phone: (505) 473-9203. Fax: (505) 473-9218. I don't have an email address for him, but he gives workshops all *over the country (the US, that is). I've not encoutered this term in my > searches before) I understand the need for a vaccum to remove the dust > and offending particles--Little nasties you don't want to breathe-The > info on some manufactured cabinets suggest a Shop Vac is sufficient. Why > or why not? I think the vacuum referred to is the one that sucks the abrasive up from its storage bin and transfers it to the nozzle spraying it onto the glass. Obviously (perhaps), I'm not a sandblaster, but Norm and any number of other people will be able to clarify that. In fact, Norm has a number of videos out that might be helpful to you, including GLASS ETCHING II: CARVING TECHNIQUES & DESIGNS by Norm Dobbins & Debbie Oxley. Second release from this wel known team. Covers the challenging technique of multi-stage carving. $18.95 GLASS ETCHING: SURFACE TECHNIQUES AND DESIGNS by Norm Dobbins & Debbie Oxley. The authors walk you through the process of design, preparation, tools, equipment, safety, and more. Designs are included. Illustrated. $18.95 Both available on http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/library/select.html Albert (sorry about the duplicated - sort of - message ... I had a computer "glitch") ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 13:10:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: BobDuc@prodigy.net, glass@bungi.com, marycooper@hotmail.com Subject: Pressure pot sandblasters explained Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:12:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199806161712.NAA12120@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Many references were made to a "pressure Pot"-- (What is a pressure pot, << Their are two basic types of setups for sandblasting. The best is a pressure pot system (PPS) costing from $100.00 to $600.00. The typical PPS holds 50 to 100 pounds of blasting grit in a pressure vessel made of steel. There is a sealable hole at the top for loading the grit and an outlet for the grit at the bottom. Air pressure is admitted at the top of the pot to force the grit out the bottom where there is an adjustable metering valve to control the flow of grit. At the outlet of the metering valve the main source of blast air is charged with grit and this mixture flows through a hose to the nozzle and out to blast the work. The blast hose is typicaly several feet long permitting all the grit to get up to air speed prior to reaching the nozzle. This is a major difference between the PPS and a suction system where the grit is only subject to air flow for a couple of inches in the nozzle. The result is that a PPS will accomplish work at a much lower pressure, consume far less air, permit the use of thinner, cheaper and easier to cut resists. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 13:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, marycooper@hotmail.com Subject: Vacuums for cabinet sandblasters Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:45:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199806161745.NAA15596@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> I understand the need for a vaccum to remove the dust and offending particles--Little nasties you don't want to breathe-The info on some manufactured cabinets suggest a Shop Vac is sufficient. Why or why not?<< Cabinet sandblasters receive a charge of air and blast media to accomplish the work of blasting. They must be relieved of the air, blasting debris and broken blast media. A vacuum accomplishes this. Will an ordinary home vacuum accomplish this task? The answer is a highly qualified yes that really adds up to no way. Why? Because the blast debris and broken media is to fine to be filtered out by the home vacuum and will destroy the vacuum bearings, short out the motor , quickly clog the filter and pump lung destroying glass particles and media into the breathing space. Will a shop vacuum work? Not really! You can buy a better quality filter for it for about $8.00 but they quickly clog up and reduce vacuum efficiency. The use of a shop vacuum may be stated by a company but they IMHO are WRONG. Even if they specify the use of large grit (like 60 grit) the blast debris is much finer. Commercial vacuums are available for use with sandblasters from about $250.00 to $1,500.00 and up. They are expensive because it is hard to provide sustainable vacuum in systems that are subject to fine particles. A good vacuum system maintains a negative pressure in the cabinet even with open handholes. There should be zero discharge of lung destroying dust into the work space. If you can not afford decent sandblasting equipment I recommend finding a shop that will rent the on site use of theirs. If you have any worthwhile talent it will not be long before the profits from your work permit investment in safe and efficient equipment of your own. Once equipment is obtained, the profit from sandblasting is about 90% of income. Well worth the investment. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 13:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199806161826.OAA20545@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Many references were made to a "pressure Pot"-- (What is a pressure pot, > BTW..Is it the same as the vaccum? I turned up about 400 references to it in using "pressure pot" as the search key. Probably the best person to answer this is Norm Dobbins at Professional Glass Consultants, 2442 Cerrillos Road, Suite 350, Santa Fe NM 87505-3262. Phone: (505) 473-9203. Fax: (505) 473-9218. I don't have an email address for him, but he gives workshops all *over the country (the US, that is). I've not encoutered this term in my > searches before) I understand the need for a vaccum to remove the dust > and offending particles--Little nasties you don't want to breathe-The > info on some manufactured cabinets suggest a Shop Vac is sufficient. Why > or why not? I think the vacuum referred to is the one that sucks the abrasive up from its storage bin and transfers it to the nozzle spraying it onto the glass. Obviously (perhaps), I'm not a sandblaster, but Norm and any number of other people will be able to clarify that. In fact, Norm has a number of videos out that might be helpful to you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 13:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806161945.MAA24872@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Mike, If you are using any sort of sand: brown sand or white sand, both contain free silica and are a serious health hazard. Aluminium oxide and silicone carbide do not contain free silica and are considered only nuisance dusts. But if you are venting out into the street there are bylaws concerning waste material. My cabinet system vents into the blasting room when not in use. And I wouldn't vent at all into the work area. And if you're using sand I wonder about using a shop vac. Most systems use reinforced cloth bags, single or double. Also the sharper the abrasive the quicker your paper filter will become torn up. Nozzles come in alot of sizes, but your 3/8's is large. Glastar's nozzles are 1/16, 3/32, and 1/8. As the hole enlarges the system needs more air and the compressor may run constantly to try to put out the required amount of air. Cindy >how about a regular shop vac with it's paper filter? or should i put >some sort of pillow case over the exhaust? > > >also what is the proper size of the nozzle to sandblast glass? the >nozzle on my unit is about 3/8". > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added >and My Updated Shop Photo's >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 14:07:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sandblast cabinet Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806161954.MAA30854@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >I agree!! It's very important and actually there should be two drainages going on. One under the compressor...it's a little petcock or value that can be turned on. (mine now runs off a switch, so I don't have to bend down and turn it). That way your compressor doesn't rust inside from moisture. Also one on the air line, prior to the blasting pot. That will keep the moisture out of your abrasive. Cindy > >This very important piece of Stan's advice to Mike was buried in the middle of >his message: > >> You also need to put a moisture trap in line to keep >> water and oil from mixing with the sand > >Absolutely a must, even if you live in a very dry climate! > >I apologize if this sounds like "just another yeah-what-he-said," but this one >truly bears repeating lest it be missed. Cleaning out clogged lines is a Major >Pain in the Drain. > > >Sparks > >from the soggy jungles of southeastern Pennsylvania, where right now the air >is thick enough to drink... >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 14:34:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unique Paints Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.123341.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone out there have any experience with Unique Paints? I'd like to know what you think of them. Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 14:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.124050.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am excited!! I just unpacked my first Odyssey lamp form ( 24"Rose Bush). My friend and I both bought one and we will switch later. I have done 2 Worden lamps and they came out very well, if I do say so. After reading the directions it seems straight forward enough, but any advice would be greatly appreciated. Just a couple Questions 1. Why can't I just do the lines on the form with permanent marker? 2. Where do you cut on the pattern lines? Yes, I read the manual, but just wondering where the experts cut theirs. Thanks Goldpaws ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 15:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, marycooper@hotmail.com Subject: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:28:39, -0500 Message-ID: <199806162128.RAA20856@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Mary writes: big snip>>I definitely will go with a homemade cabinet, but am concerned about these issues of vacuum. If it is too difficult to achieve with the homemade cabinet MAYBE I will buy a pre made one.... Also, in a homemade situation, how do you reclaim the Blast media? Gravity and a bucket? or is THIS the pressure pot? ooowww My Brain hurts from all this THINKING! By God I just want to sandblast! and soon! Thanks again--<< OK, my previous post cleared up what a vacuum is for. There should be little difference between a well made home made cabinet and a purchased one. On fact the one I bought needed sealing to improve vacuum and reduce dust in the work space. Simple to do with a calking gun. The standard set up has a cabinet with a sloping bottom that collects the spent blast media. Typically a spring loaded trap door allows emptying into a bucket for recharging the pressure pot. Suction blasters just dangle the pickup hose in the spent media. Once you see one this will all become elementry. Repeating previous posters- use a moisture trap on the inlet line and drain it often to prevent clogging of the media. Also be sure to strain all media before reloading in pressure pot. I use a square of standard plastic window screen. Any debris including small pieces of resist and even dead flies can start a clog. Bob Ps: Some general info: the typical four horsepower compressor will not maintain more than about 20 pounds of blast pressure on a continuous basis when used with a 1/8" nozzle. Larger nozzles will require larger compressors. Tungsten carbide nozzles cost about $30. 00. Ceramic nozzles cost about $1.50. TCs outlast Cs by about 40 to 1. Which is cheaper? Test to follow- someday. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 15:50:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more on vacuum motors Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806162140.OAA11828@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk My "Skatt blast" dust collector uses a standard house hold motor, to my surprize. Once I ordered a new motor from California (glastar) and once I had it worked on at a vac repair shop. I soon learnt I could replace the bearing inside myself, but once the brushes go it's really not worth replacing. It's a lower end dust collector... price wise and depending on the hours used the bearing last between 3 months or longer. Hey these bearings are cheap, they run about $3.00:):) I also bought a better quality motor that seems to keep the dust out of the motor housing alot more. I believe I'm pushing over a year on this one. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 16:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806162208.PAA32307@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk The siphon blaster runs 2 separate lines, one is an air hose from the compressor and the other feeds from an open pot or hopper at the bottom of your cabinet. There's no vacuum needed to run this, it's gravity fed and pulls it's air from the compressor. (One still uses a vacuum uptop to clear the air inside the cabinet.) The pressure pot works together compressing the air and abrasive, first air is let into the pot which is gauged for the air pressure of the pot. There's a mixing value at the bottom which allows the abrasive to drop still under pressure and it runs thru one hose into the cabinet. Interesting article written by Kathy Bradford for the sandcarving quarterly states advantages of the siphon feed is control with use of dead man device, with it's "instant" off not moments later. Which she also highly praises when using the siphon system as an airbrush. Which for shading is a good thing in my opinion, (one doesn't want much pressure). What I found a nuisance in the dead man was the alumimium block shut off and the wearing out of it. Also I switched over to a narrower sandhose and smaller tips, I found the dead man very heavy especially when working pieces for hours and hours. But I also believe the siphon system has it's place in sandblasting. Cindy > >I think the vacuum referred to is the one that sucks the abrasive up >from its storage bin and transfers it to the nozzle spraying it onto >the glass. Obviously (perhaps), I'm not a sandblaster, but Norm and >any number of other people will be able to clarify that. In fact, >Norm has a number of videos out that might be helpful to you >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 16:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.apple.com!karens From: Karen Schroeder To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: <199806162232.PAA26944@scv2.apple.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Goldpaws, >1. Why can't I just do the lines on the form with permanent marker? I used a permanent marker on my Odyssey form. The only problem that I ran into was my wobbly hand. Sometimes I wandered off the lines. But I was easily able to compensate when using the form. >2. Where do you cut on the pattern lines? As far as cutting the pattern lines goes - I used foil pattern shears when I made the lamp (several years ago now). Now I cut glass using a light box. The only time that I cut pattern pieces anymore is when the glass is too dark to see the pattern through. In that case I cut off the line and trace around the piece on the glass. Then when I cut the piece I cut away the drawn line. Hope that made sense. In retrospect I would not use the tacky wax again. Instead I would use the sticky rubber stuff that is sold for hanging posters (sorry I don't remember the name) to stick the pieces to the form while cutting/grinding/foiling. Then when soldering I wouldn't use anything. Soldering the first row to the ring will hold them in place and each successive row will be held by the solder to the previous row. No heating the form to release the lamp and no cleanup afterwards. Good luck. I am looking forward to my next Odyssey lamp - a 16" Peony. Karen Schroeder Hummingbird Designs Being a Mac user is like being a Navy SEAL: a small, elite group of people with access to the most sophisticated technology in the world, who everyone calls on to get the really tough jobs done quickly and efficiently. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 17:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806162341.QAA29057@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Dead Flies!!! Oh No! Screening is very important. I have to agree with home made cabinets, (alot of bike shops have them). Wooden ones won't last forever, thou. And the time in building a metal cabinet, may out way the cost. The cost of sandblasting equipment has sky rocketed since I bought mine. Industry tool supply seems to be the best way to go. I was talking to Rayzist a short while ago and could not believe the new prices. Mary, my heart goes out to you. I'd be only wishing that I was already there too. Cindy PS... a little story. My hubby set me up in the beginning and then had to leave for his work (he works out of town). Well, I was blasting my heart away and wanted to quit, but had forgotten how to shut off my equipment. Needless to say I had Norm Dobbins phone # and we talked awhile. How embrassing! > >Mary writes: >big snip>>I definitely will go with a homemade cabinet, but am >concerned about >these issues of vacuum. If it is too difficult to achieve with the >homemade cabinet MAYBE I will buy a pre made one.... >Also, in a homemade situation, how do you reclaim the Blast media? >Gravity and a bucket? or is THIS the pressure pot? > >ooowww My Brain hurts from all this THINKING! >By God I just want to sandblast! and soon! >Thanks again--<< > >OK, my previous post cleared up what a vacuum is for. There should be >little difference between a well made home made cabinet and a >purchased one. On fact the one I bought needed sealing to improve >vacuum and reduce dust in the work space. Simple to do with a calking >gun. > >The standard set up has a cabinet with a sloping bottom that collects >the spent blast media. Typically a spring loaded trap door allows >emptying into a bucket for recharging the pressure pot. Suction >blasters just dangle the pickup hose in the spent media. Once you see >one this will all become elementry. > >Repeating previous posters- use a moisture trap on the inlet line and >drain it often to prevent clogging of the media. Also be sure to >strain all media before reloading in pressure pot. I use a square of >standard plastic window screen. Any debris including small pieces of >resist and even dead flies can start a clog. Bob > >Ps: Some general info: the typical four horsepower compressor will >not maintain more than about 20 pounds of blast pressure on a >continuous basis when used with a 1/8" nozzle. Larger nozzles will >require larger compressors. Tungsten carbide nozzles cost about $30. >00. Ceramic nozzles cost about $1.50. TCs outlast Cs by about 40 to 1. > Which is cheaper? Test to follow- someday. > >____ >Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 >*Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant? Bob, "No! HE is not!".* >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 18:38:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199806170025.UAA00309@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jun16.165245.0>> Precedence: bulk Roger Thornhill twists the bytes to say: Roger> Gee, I thought the NEA was bad - to me, the TV license is really Roger> criminal. Good for you taking a stand. Evil might be, but the world has benefited from it plenty. BBC News is arguably the best international news service in the world --I'd choose it over CNN-- and it is partially subsidized by this tax. There was an article in the Globe and Mail some time ago about the excuses given to the TV police. Some are totally hilarious: "The TV is warm because the cat was sleeping over it", for instance. By the way, Elisabeth, do you know --or somebody else-- how much is the license for a color TV and how much for the B&W one? >> Some quaint British rules & regulations.... >> Here in UK BBC used to be the sole supplier of tv viewing (many moons >> ago). BBC is - in part - a government creation. >> So the government in its wisdom devised yet another TAX to get >> revenue, namely in order to view tv (of any kind), you need to pay >> government tv licence tax. -- Daniel M. German "The first man of science was he who looked into a thing, not to learn whether it furnished him with food, or shelter, or weapons, or tools, or armaments, or playwiths; but who sought to know it for the gratification of Samuel Taylor Coleridge -> knowing." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 19:18:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike's Stained Glass - UPDATED Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.17249.0> References: <<1998Jun15.22311.0>> Precedence: bulk i finally updated my page. the page should be a little faster, after some tweaking (think i got all the code right). i added 44 new links, with new sections: stained glass schools, free patterns (links to them). i also have 5 new tip pages: how to sign your work repairing a copper foil window getting started in stained glass making your own challange project descriptions of sample sets (the ones i have currently) Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tip's Tricks Photo's http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip's Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 19:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Grout Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:55:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun17.05551.0> Precedence: bulk I can't help you with getting a blue grout, but I'll tell you this.. I did some stepping stones with a terra-cotta grout. Looked good till the sun faded them out to a light pink color. Is there anyway to minimize fading? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 20:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806170223.TAA21246@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Ha,ha,ha! Jerri! Chuckle begins within you, thank you! If it weren't for you and my OTHER GUYS, I'd still feel bad enough to hide within my rock! Thanks honeypies!!! Always you're friend, humbley the piece of do-do signed, Cindy:) To: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets > >>Great story! What a hoot! >> >>Jerri >> >>>PS... a little story. My hubby set me up in the beginning and then had >>>to >>>leave for his work (he works out of town). Well, I was blasting my >>>heart >>>away and wanted to quit, but had forgotten how to shut off my >>>equipment. >>>Needless to say I had Norm Dobbins phone # and we talked awhile. >>>How embrassing! >>>> >>> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 21:09:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Home made kilns Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:43:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun16.18434.0> References: <<199806161635.MAA25974@ll.mit.edu>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Yes -there are ceramic wire nuts available -try your local appliance PARTs store. The are made for replacing the socket that the stove elements plug into on an electric range David Cogen wrote: > My connections were made with standard plastic electrical > nuts. Not the best choice of course. They melted into most surrealistic > stalactite formations! But since the wires were arranged so as not to touch > eachother or the box itself, this has not yet been a high priority issue to > fix. Everything is inside the grounded box, so, being protected by the line > circuit breakers there is no real danger here. (Any tips, anybody, on a high > temperature wire nut, or substitute?) > -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 16 22:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: donuts? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:51:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun17.45119.0> Precedence: bulk I have a question for everyone. I am working on a piece where I need to cut a sheet of glass into a donut. You know, circular on the outside with a hole cut out of the very center. I need to be able to do this without cutting through the donut itself, ie, can't cut it in half, remove the half circles and then stick it back together. The donut of glass really needs to remain in one single piece. It's not for a panel, it's for a sculpture I'm working on. Any takers? Please? :-) .........PRETTY PLEASE??? This newbie needs to know....... Thanks, Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 03:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.10503.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:25 16/06/98 -0400, Daniel M. German wrote: > >By the way, Elisabeth, do you know --or somebody else-- how much is >the license for a color TV and how much for the B&W one? Just got my new colour TV licence today, costs UK pounds 97.50 per year (plus 5.00 if you pay in quarterly instalments via the bank like we do). I think there is a reduction for the blind or deaf of about 10.00 to make up for what they are missing ;-> Don't know how much a black/white licence is. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 04:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: donuts? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:14:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199806171106.HAA05131@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I am working on a piece where I need to cut a sheet of glass into a donut. Cut out the circle, mask off everything you want to keep, leaving the hole-to-be exposed, sandblast the hole out. My 2c Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 06:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <199806171246.IAA23729@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > Just got my new colour TV licence today, costs UK pounds 97.50 per year That's absolutely shocking! Do you realize in this country (USA) one could buy a brand new color TV (low-end model, on sale) for what you pay annually for a license!!!!! -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 07:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:24:44 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun17.132444.0> Precedence: bulk It is just so much quicker to rub a little dark grout into the surface - should take maybe 10 minutes from the time you open up the jar to the time you finish cleaning off the surface. The marker is going to take you all day. Cut the pattern pieces on the outside edge (don't cut the dark lines). Use the tacky wax system but just use a little bit of wax. Melt in the oven to remove most of it and then use that Soy Release or whatever it is called to remove the remainder of the tacky wax. A final note - if you are making that much of an investment of time to do such a nice lamp, please use lots of art glass (Uroboros, Bullseye, Yough) in your lamp. Nothing is more displeasing to the eye than a beautifully constructed form lamp made out of dull glass. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 08:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: SusieHUs@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: donuts? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:06:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.6621.0> References: <<1998Jun17.45119.0>> Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > > I have a question for everyone. > > I am working on a piece where I need to cut a sheet of glass into a donut. > You know, circular on the outside with a hole cut out of the very center. I > need to be able to do this without cutting through the donut itself, ie, can't > cut it in half, remove the half circles and then stick it back together. The > donut of glass really needs to remain in one single piece. It's not for a > panel, it's for a sculpture I'm working on. > > Any takers? > > Please? :-) .........PRETTY PLEASE??? This newbie needs to know....... > > Thanks, > Susie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's a few ways that i can think of: 1. cut the outside first, then grind out the center. 2. or cut relief points, score the center and tap. 3. or get a diamond hole saw. but that's an expensive way to go for one project. 4. cut it in fourth's lay it on a piece of clear (with matching sections), and cook it in a kiln. make sure the seams on both layers don't line up. 5. if you have a sandblaster you might be able to etch the center away. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tip's Tricks Photo's http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 08:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.det-freepress.com!newman From: "Heather Newman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Making your own kiln -- electrical note! Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:31:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.103115.0> Organization: Detroit Free Press Precedence: bulk Recently posted by a successful home kiln maker: >>Kanthal heating element ordered from Duralite (18 amps @ 110V, coiled, length to fit perimeter of interior (it is side heating). They advised me on whether the amperage would be sufficient. I dedicated 1 20 amp circuit for this, and chose 18 amps to give a little margin of safety. << While it was an excellent idea to dedicate a circuit just for the kiln -- and is advisable for any appliance of this size -- 20 amps is not sufficient for an 18 amp draw, despite the fact that it appears to be on the face of it. Electrical circuits are designed under a national code, and one of the things it requires is that circuits be designed so that the expected (non-motor) load draws no more than 80% of the maximum power. (Motors get special treatment, and since we don't use major motors often, I won't go into it here.) That safety margin would actually have to be 4 amps, or 16 amps for the kiln, to meet national safety standards. Now, no one is going to come into your home and shut down your kiln, and you probably won't experience any problems with this in your lifetime. But for the rest of the folks out there thinking about adding circuits for their own kilns, you might want to bump to a 30amp circuit if you're going to use a 17-amp or above heating element. I know, it takes up two slots in the breaker box and requires fatter -- and therefore more expensive -- wire than the standard 12-gauge used in a 20amp appliance circuit. But when it comes to electricity, mucking around with the code usually ends up being a) inconvenient when the breaker keeps snapping or b) dangerous. Just my unprofessional $.02, which is worth about what you pay for it. Cheers, Heather ---------------------------------------- Heather Newman, Detroit Free Press newman@det-freepress.com 313-223-3336 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 09:10:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: donuts? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.43021.0> References: <<199806171106.HAA05131@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk I deleted the original request knowing there would be more answers,sorry, but I use either my 1/8 grinder bit or 1/4 bit and press (before making the outside cuts )with plenty of water until I have made a small hole I then enlarge with the largest bit that will fit in the hole until I reach the proper size,then use that circle to measure to the outside diameter and cut away. Good luck Don _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 09:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: UK TV license Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.789.0> References: <<1998Jun17.10503.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I just fell out of my chair when I read the cost of a "TV License" Never heard of such a thing. There seems to be a great deal of difference in costs, taxes, and everything else in the UK. We have our share of outlandish and protested taxes, fees, etc. here but nothing like there in the UK. Sounds like you all across the pond need your own "Tea Party". ( For non history buffs-the Boston "tea party" that led to the rebellion of the original Colonies in America) Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: > > At 20:25 16/06/98 -0400, Daniel M. German wrote: > > > > >By the way, Elisabeth, do you know --or somebody else-- how much is > >the license for a color TV and how much for the B&W one? > > Just got my new colour TV licence today, costs UK pounds 97.50 per year > (plus 5.00 if you pay in quarterly instalments via the bank like we do). I > think there is a reduction for the blind or deaf of about 10.00 to make up > for what they are missing ;-> > Don't know how much a black/white licence is. > Elizabeth > Bournemouth Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 10:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!otrbanks From: "AHOY MATE!!!!!" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: metal to glass glue Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.81759.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have a questions to all you experts! My Husband is in the US Coast Guard and we have a very good friend retiring and I want to give him a stained glass gift. My idea is to make a panel with the Coast Guard stripes and a white opaque background. I then want to glue on the right side (where there is more white showing) the metal rank pins and at the top a small metal plate with his name and enlistment date and retirement date. So, my question is what kind of glue should I use and I would entertain any other ideas! Thanks so very much, Tammy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 11:22:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UK TV license Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.9119.0> References: <<1998Jun17.789.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear from the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a van with electronic detection equipment that can tell, from outside your home, that you have your Tele on, evidently from the electronic emissions. If you don't have a current license, then they knock on your door. You really want to see a reaction, just ask about the VAT. leestat7 wrote: > I just fell out of my chair when I read the cost of a "TV License" > Never heard of such a thing. There seems to be a great deal of > difference in costs, taxes, and everything else in the UK. We have our > share of outlandish and protested taxes, fees, etc. here but nothing > like there in the UK. Sounds like you all across the pond need your own > "Tea Party". ( For non history buffs-the Boston "tea party" that led to > the rebellion of the original Colonies in America) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 11:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Lamp model was: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:13:22 -0400 Message-ID: <199806171713.NAA00218@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jun17.132444.0>> Precedence: bulk Now that people are talking about the Odyssey lamp I'll share my experiences making my own. I got this Styrofoam ball, 20 cms. in diameter. The largest I could find. I got a hollow half sphere bigger though. I cut it in halves. I had read from Mike's web site that the flux will eat it, so I cover it with three layers of masking tape. Then I proceeded to make my own design. I divided the half sphere in 16 parts (sort of like an orange) and started to draw on top. It was difficult. After I disliked it, I covered it again, and tried again. Same thing. I did not like the result. I lacked inspiration. I thought that it was sufficiently challenging to make my first round lamp; so I decided that I was going to copy a design from somewhere else. I felt like Toby's Australians trying to make everything at the same time --I have only made one lamp before; a total of 5 projects, all small. I had a catalog. I noticed that some of the designs where for spherical surfaces. I used the photocopier to enlarge it exactly to the size I needed (from 3 cm. in the original). The design was simple but pretty --in my eyes, at least: geometrically arranged tulips. It is 8 repeats and it asks for 3 colours (I never knew what the colours were, as it was just the sample in the catalog :) I chose green, blue and red. Pattern making: I made 16 copies of the pattern. I glued 8 of them to the ball. The other 8 had an interesting story. The top of the lamp had "squares" all around (3 layers of 16 identical pieces each). I cut the glass for this first and when I wanted to put the 48 pieces together... they were too small :) the gaps would had been too big, so I had to put it "higher" around the sphere than it should had been (the higher, the smaller the diameter of the perimeter). I had to adjust my patterns for this modification. First repeat. I did not have pattern scissors, so I had to cut the cut line with two passes. I got some slightly irregular pieces. Remember, my pattern was enlarged from a tiny copy, and I think that added to the distortion. Then I proceeded to glue the pieces to the glass and cut and grind. I tried to used double sided tape, but it was too thick that the diameter of the resulting mold made the pieces too small. So I resorted to hold one piece at a time while soldering it. It works, but the resulting repeat was bigger than expected. In the second, third and fourth repeat I was more careful, soldering the most critical parts first; I ended with some that need extra grinding. This method was not the best, as some pieces did not optimally follow the roundness of the sphere. I took two decisions that made my work easier: I bought pattern scissors and tacky-wax. I became far faster and more productive, and pieces were fitting better. The problem was to remove the wax. I washed it, and washed it and washed it and I believe it still has a small layer. Then I made another mistake: I used car wax to polish it. Being the pieces soo small (it has a little over 200 pieces) it was very difficult to remove the wax from many places. I still haven't finished cleaning it. I'll buy liquid one next time, even though it is more expensive (any alternate suggestions of what works for some)? >From the beginning I decided that this was going to be a learning experience and I was willing to "waste" my work so to speak in order to be "better" for the next time. It certainly was. The lamp is pretty when off and just ok when on. The copper patina works very nicely with the green and blue Wissmach glass (iridescent) that I used. I still have to find it a perfect base/harp. I also learned that the foil for this kind of work should be narrower. I was using 7/16 (I believe) and the seems look too thick. I'll use one just slightly thicker than the glass next time. One more important factor is to use a lightbox. I did not use one. The result, as I explained, is that my lamp looks better off than on. In retrospective, my biggest mistake was not to use Yougho or something equivalent. The scrap is almost none and this size of lamp requires a mere 1 ft^2 of glass. I am happy with the experience and I am sure the next one will be far superior. I am still scared of trying the big one (around 60cms) that I have. I want to "practice" again with this size and a different pattern --my own, if I can find the inspiration. My Porcelli book arrived after I had finished. I learned some things the hard way, though. Roger, can you explain the oven trick to remove the wax? Finally, now I have a lot of respect for lampmakers. I know what it takes to turn a nice piece of work. I hope this message can start some threads related to some of the issues that I faced. -- Daniel M. German "In science, read, by preference, the newest works; in literature, Georges Leclerc Buffon -> the oldest." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 12:12:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, otrbanks@erols.com Subject: metal to glass glue Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:05:36, -0500 Message-ID: <199806171805.OAA07496@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk snip>> My idea is to make a panel with the Coast Guard stripes and a white opaque background. I then want to glue on the right side (where there is more white showing) the metal rank pins and at the top a small metal plate with his name and enlistment date and retirement date. So, my question is what kind of glue should I use and I would entertain any other ideas! Thanks so very much, Tammy<< I would use clear GE Silicone II marked for Window $ Door. Buy at better hardware stores everywhere. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *What does this new pill have to do with me investing in design changes in the coffin industry?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 12:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , "'CWWSLW@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Grout Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.101644.0> Precedence: bulk It has been my experience that reddish colors fade in the sun worse than any other color. Red fabric, red plastic, red everything fades. Something to do with the UV and the color spectrum, I think. No sealer that you put on top is going to stop it. Just MHO. Linda Campbell Susan said: I can't help you with getting a blue grout, but I'll tell you this.. I did some stepping stones with a terra-cotta grout. Looked good till the sun faded them out to a light pink color. Is there anyway to minimize fading? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 12:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: newman@det-freepress.com Subject: Re: Making your own kiln -- electrical note! Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:57:40 -0400 Message-ID: <199806171754.NAA02348@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > kiln -- and is advisable for any appliance of this size -- 20 amps is > not sufficient for an 18 amp draw, despite the fact that it appears > to be on the face of it. Electrical circuits are designed under a Good point. Plus, I am told that the current draw of heaters increases as they age, so I may run into problems in the future. But so far, so good. Since the current heaters are more than adequate for my kiln, I would probably replace them with slightly lower power heaters if/when the current ones burn out eventually. -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 13:11:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK TV license Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:49:43 -0400 Message-ID: <199806171847.OAA08844@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear from > the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a I wonder what they'll do once the Internet is fast enough to transmit realtime video, and much of our "television programming" comes via the Internet. This will happen; it's only a matter of time. Or do they already tax that in England? -- DavidC (Ooops; seem to have wondered from the topic of glass.) To cut the donut glass shape: Might this work: 1 Cut and break the outer circle. 2 Drill or grind a small hole in the center using either a diamond drill bit or a grinder bit. 3 Score the inner circle. 4 Using the grinder, widen the inner hole until grozing pliers can be used. 5 Use grozing pliers to break off chips until the inner circle is approached. 6 Use the grinder to finish where the grozing left off. (I think that the grinder would take a long time and wear out the bit if the inner hole is large. Using the grozing pliers might save some of this. Note I haven't tried this however.) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 13:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, shyguy@vdot.net Subject: Re: UK TV license Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:21:15, -0500 Message-ID: <199806171921.PAA07534@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk snip>> there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a van with electronic detection equipment that can tell, from outside your home, that you have your Tele on, evidently from the electronic emissions. If you don't have a current license, then they knock on your door.<< I don't welcome the competition in the stained glass bis but you need to come over here. My people came for lessor reasons. Look up what is lettered on the base of the Statue of Liberty. Think you qualify. Thank God I do not look to the old countries to find out how I should act and like. Bob Ps: Lets not talk about taxes supporting a news broadcast. Could fragment the group! ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *What does this new pill have to do with me investing in design changes in the coffin industry?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 14:19:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lamp model was: First Odyssey Lamp Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:04:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199806172057.QAA04951@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Now that people are talking about the Odyssey lamp I'll share my > experiences making my own. I think you were inventive, ingenious and very clever to figure out so many things, come up with a pattern and try it out. Congrats! One thing I *don't understand, though, is why it's even necessary to wax the finished work. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 14:46:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK TV license Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:04:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199806172057.QAA04945@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear from > the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a > van with electronic detection equipment that can tell, from outside your home The same thing's true (or *was true when I lived there) in Germany, but also for radios. And telephones were installed by the Post Office. Different strokes and different ways of accomplishing things. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 14:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, cogen@ll.mit.edu Subject: Internet Message Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:42:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199806172042.QAA15374@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Good point. Plus, I am told that the current draw of heaters increases as they age, so I may run into problems in the future. But so far, so good<< You are in luck here. Your kiln elements increase in resistance as they age and the current is LOWER. The kiln at full power will slow down after only a few cycles due to this. Anyone who is rewiring for a kiln might well consider going to 220 volts for electric service and kiln. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 15:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "AHOY MATE!!!!!" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: metal to glass glue Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.13243.0> References: <<1998Jun17.81759.0>> Precedence: bulk AHOY MATE!!!!! wrote: > > Hi all, > I have a questions to all you experts! My Husband is in the US Coast > Guard and we have a very good friend retiring and I want to give him a > stained glass gift. My idea is to make a panel with the Coast Guard > stripes and a white opaque background. I then want to glue on the right > side (where there is more white showing) the metal rank pins and at the > top a small metal plate with his name and enlistment date and retirement > date. So, my question is what kind of glue should I use and I would > entertain any other ideas! > Thanks so very much, > Tammy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the best glues that i know of would be epoxy, though a small time limit. E6000 works pretty well, but the smell could kill you. and there's a new product, it's a polyurethane glue (it might be polyethelene (sp?) glue. it's new, and a little pricey, but it's supposed to be able to fill gaps and stick to everything. i still want to find a bottle for myself... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 15:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F324ECD77CBBD1507DD27882" Subject: [Fwd: donuts?] Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.124949.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F324ECD77CBBD1507DD27882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also deleted the request, sorry. I had to put a rather large sun in a rather large sky. Did it by using my grinder with the l/8 bit until I could use a larger bit and used a lot of water while doing it. Turned out fine. Grinder still ok. Carol T --------------F324ECD77CBBD1507DD27882 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Received: from daver.bungi.com ("port 2702"@[207.126.97.2]) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-10 #23426) with ESMTP id <01IYCCTUMQA09FMJXT@InfoAve.Net> for ctombro@InfoAve.Net; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:40 EDT Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:39:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:30:21 -0500 From: eldondo1@juno.com Subject: Re: donuts? To: alewis@vgernet.net Message-id: <1998Jun17.43021.0@[207.126.97.2]> Precedence: bulk X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 References: <<199806171106.HAA05131@vger.vgernet.net>> I deleted the original request knowing there would be more answers,sorry, but I use either my 1/8 grinder bit or 1/4 bit and press (before making the outside cuts )with plenty of water until I have made a small hole I then enlarge with the largest bit that will fit in the hole until I reach the proper size,then use that circle to measure to the outside diameter and cut away. Good luck Don _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------F324ECD77CBBD1507DD27882-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 15:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lamp model was: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.132645.0> References: <<199806171713.NAA00218@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > Now that people are talking about the Odyssey lamp I'll share my > experiences making my own. > > I got this Styrofoam ball, 20 cms. in diameter. The largest I could > find. I got a hollow half sphere bigger though. > > I cut it in halves. I had read from Mike's web site that the flux will > eat it, so I cover it with three layers of masking tape. > > Then I proceeded to make my own design. I divided the half sphere in > 16 parts (sort of like an orange) and started to draw on top. It was > difficult. After I disliked it, I covered it again, and tried > again. Same thing. I did not like the result. I lacked inspiration. > > I thought that it was sufficiently challenging to make my first round > lamp; so I decided that I was going to copy a design from somewhere > else. I felt like Toby's Australians trying to make everything at the > same time --I have only made one lamp before; a total of 5 > projects, all small. > > I had a catalog. I noticed that some of the designs where for > spherical surfaces. I used the photocopier to enlarge it exactly to > the size I needed (from 3 cm. in the original). > > The design was simple but pretty --in my eyes, at least: geometrically > arranged tulips. > > It is 8 repeats and it asks for 3 colours (I never knew what the > colours were, as it was just the sample in the catalog :) I chose > green, blue and red. > > Pattern making: I made 16 copies of the pattern. I glued 8 of them to > the ball. The other 8 had an interesting story. The top of the lamp > had "squares" all around (3 layers of 16 identical pieces each). I cut > the glass for this first and when I wanted to put the 48 pieces > together... they were too small :) the gaps would had been too big, so > I had to put it "higher" around the sphere than it should had been > (the higher, the smaller the diameter of the perimeter). I had to > adjust my patterns for this modification. > > First repeat. I did not have pattern scissors, so I had to cut the cut > line with two passes. I got some slightly irregular pieces. Remember, > my pattern was enlarged from a tiny copy, and I think that added to > the distortion. Then I proceeded to glue the pieces to the glass and > cut and grind. I tried to used double sided tape, but it was too > thick that the diameter of the resulting mold made the pieces too > small. > > So I resorted to hold one piece at a time while soldering it. It > works, but the resulting repeat was bigger than expected. In the > second, third and fourth repeat I was more careful, soldering the most > critical parts first; I ended with some that need extra grinding. This > method was not the best, as some pieces did not optimally follow the > roundness of the sphere. > > I took two decisions that made my work easier: I bought pattern > scissors and tacky-wax. I became far faster and more productive, and > pieces were fitting better. > > The problem was to remove the wax. I washed it, and washed it and > washed it and I believe it still has a small layer. Then I made > another mistake: I used car wax to polish it. Being the pieces soo > small (it has a little over 200 pieces) it was very difficult to > remove the wax from many places. I still haven't finished cleaning > it. I'll buy liquid one next time, even though it is more expensive > (any alternate suggestions of what works for some)? > > >>From the beginning I decided that this was going to be a learning > experience and I was willing to "waste" my work so to speak in order > to be "better" for the next time. It certainly was. The lamp is pretty > when off and just ok when on. The copper patina works very nicely with > the green and blue Wissmach glass (iridescent) that I used. I still > have to find it a perfect base/harp. > > I also learned that the foil for this kind of work should be narrower. > I was using 7/16 (I believe) and the seems look too thick. I'll use > one just slightly thicker than the glass next time. > > One more important factor is to use a lightbox. I did not use one. The > result, as I explained, is that my lamp looks better off than on. > > In retrospective, my biggest mistake was not to use Yougho or > something equivalent. The scrap is almost none and this size of lamp > requires a mere 1 ft^2 of glass. > > I am happy with the experience and I am sure the next one will be far > superior. I am still scared of trying the big one (around 60cms) that > I have. I want to "practice" again with this size and a different > pattern --my own, if I can find the inspiration. > > My Porcelli book arrived after I had finished. I learned some things > the hard way, though. > > Roger, can you explain the oven trick to remove the wax? > > Finally, now I have a lot of respect for lampmakers. I know what it > takes to turn a nice piece of work. > > I hope this message can start some threads related to some of the > issues that I faced. > > -- > Daniel M. German "In science, read, by preference, > the newest works; in literature, > Georges Leclerc Buffon -> the oldest." > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass as a side note, the flux does'nt hurt the styrofoam, spray paint does... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 16:17:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lamp model was: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.133613.0> References: <<199806171713.NAA00218@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > Now that people are talking about the Odyssey lamp I'll share my > experiences making my own. > > I got this Styrofoam ball, 20 cms. in diameter. The largest I could > find. I got a hollow half sphere bigger though. > > I cut it in halves. I had read from Mike's web site that the flux will > eat it, so I cover it with three layers of masking tape. > > Then I proceeded to make my own design. I divided the half sphere in > 16 parts (sort of like an orange) and started to draw on top. It was > difficult. After I disliked it, I covered it again, and tried > again. Same thing. I did not like the result. I lacked inspiration. > > I thought that it was sufficiently challenging to make my first round > lamp; so I decided that I was going to copy a design from somewhere > else. I felt like Toby's Australians trying to make everything at the > same time --I have only made one lamp before; a total of 5 > projects, all small. > > I had a catalog. I noticed that some of the designs where for > spherical surfaces. I used the photocopier to enlarge it exactly to > the size I needed (from 3 cm. in the original). > > The design was simple but pretty --in my eyes, at least: geometrically > arranged tulips. > > It is 8 repeats and it asks for 3 colours (I never knew what the > colours were, as it was just the sample in the catalog :) I chose > green, blue and red. > > Pattern making: I made 16 copies of the pattern. I glued 8 of them to > the ball. The other 8 had an interesting story. The top of the lamp > had "squares" all around (3 layers of 16 identical pieces each). I cut > the glass for this first and when I wanted to put the 48 pieces > together... they were too small :) the gaps would had been too big, so > I had to put it "higher" around the sphere than it should had been > (the higher, the smaller the diameter of the perimeter). I had to > adjust my patterns for this modification. > > First repeat. I did not have pattern scissors, so I had to cut the cut > line with two passes. I got some slightly irregular pieces. Remember, > my pattern was enlarged from a tiny copy, and I think that added to > the distortion. Then I proceeded to glue the pieces to the glass and > cut and grind. I tried to used double sided tape, but it was too > thick that the diameter of the resulting mold made the pieces too > small. > > So I resorted to hold one piece at a time while soldering it. It > works, but the resulting repeat was bigger than expected. In the > second, third and fourth repeat I was more careful, soldering the most > critical parts first; I ended with some that need extra grinding. This > method was not the best, as some pieces did not optimally follow the > roundness of the sphere. > > I took two decisions that made my work easier: I bought pattern > scissors and tacky-wax. I became far faster and more productive, and > pieces were fitting better. > > The problem was to remove the wax. I washed it, and washed it and > washed it and I believe it still has a small layer. Then I made > another mistake: I used car wax to polish it. Being the pieces soo > small (it has a little over 200 pieces) it was very difficult to > remove the wax from many places. I still haven't finished cleaning > it. I'll buy liquid one next time, even though it is more expensive > (any alternate suggestions of what works for some)? > > >>From the beginning I decided that this was going to be a learning > experience and I was willing to "waste" my work so to speak in order > to be "better" for the next time. It certainly was. The lamp is pretty > when off and just ok when on. The copper patina works very nicely with > the green and blue Wissmach glass (iridescent) that I used. I still > have to find it a perfect base/harp. > > I also learned that the foil for this kind of work should be narrower. > I was using 7/16 (I believe) and the seems look too thick. I'll use > one just slightly thicker than the glass next time. > > One more important factor is to use a lightbox. I did not use one. The > result, as I explained, is that my lamp looks better off than on. > > In retrospective, my biggest mistake was not to use Yougho or > something equivalent. The scrap is almost none and this size of lamp > requires a mere 1 ft^2 of glass. > > I am happy with the experience and I am sure the next one will be far > superior. I am still scared of trying the big one (around 60cms) that > I have. I want to "practice" again with this size and a different > pattern --my own, if I can find the inspiration. > > My Porcelli book arrived after I had finished. I learned some things > the hard way, though. > > Roger, can you explain the oven trick to remove the wax? > > Finally, now I have a lot of respect for lampmakers. I know what it > takes to turn a nice piece of work. > > I hope this message can start some threads related to some of the > issues that I faced. > > -- > Daniel M. German "In science, read, by preference, > the newest works; in literature, > Georges Leclerc Buffon -> the oldest." > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i did'nt read the whole thing through.... a few things that should probably have changed. the pieces most likely grew because the pieces did'nt butt together. instead a gap/space was formed when the bottom corners met. to fix this a lamp bit should be used, (though i never used one myself). this will put a slight chamfer on the glass so the top edges meet, instead of the bottom ones. this will also make your seams thinner. i use Kem-O-Pro wax, it works pretty darn well. another good wax: Pledge original furniture spray. spray it on wipe it off, it will make everything clean and shiney. but it won't polish the solder much.... i still have to figure out the best wax for the lamp i'm building. it's going to have way too many corners and open spaces. and of course to use a light bulb to choose where your going to cut the glass. a flourescent light in a light box, does'nt give the right color. there's a new true color bulb out. i forget it's name, Mott? something like that...maybe.. i think it was advertised in one of the SG professionals. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 16:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UK TV license Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.133953.0> References: <<199806171847.OAA08844@ll.mit.edu>> Precedence: bulk David Cogen wrote: > > > The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear from > > the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a > > I wonder what they'll do once the Internet is fast enough to transmit realtime > video, and much of our "television programming" comes via the Internet. This > will happen; it's only a matter of time. > > Or do they already tax that in England? > > -- DavidC > > (Ooops; seem to have wondered from the topic of glass.) > > To cut the donut glass shape: Might this work: > > 1 Cut and break the outer circle. > > 2 Drill or grind a small hole in the center using either a diamond drill bit > or a grinder bit. > > 3 Score the inner circle. > > 4 Using the grinder, widen the inner hole until grozing pliers can be used. > > 5 Use grozing pliers to break off chips until the inner circle is approached. > > 6 Use the grinder to finish where the grozing left off. > > (I think that the grinder would take a long time and wear out the bit if the > inner hole is large. Using the grozing pliers might save some of this. Note I > haven't tried this however.) > > -- DavidC > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass what about using a tv card for your computer. a computer and a tv gives off different frequencies. and besides they'd never know it's on because you could be surfing the net. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 16:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lamp model was: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:57:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199806172157.RAA00304@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jun17.132444.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad twists the bytes to say: Mike> Daniel M. German wrote: >> I cut it in halves. I had read from Mike's web site that the flux will >> eat it, so I cover it with three layers of masking tape. >> Mike> as a side note, the flux does'nt hurt the styrofoam, spray paint does... Mike> ---Mike Savad THanks Mike. I misread your experiences on mold making. Nonetheless the tape converts it into a nicer and stronger surface, in which you can draw; and there are no little chips of Styrofoam everywhere. Mike> a few things that should probably have changed. the pieces most likely Mike> grew because the pieces did'nt butt together. instead a gap/space was Mike> formed when the bottom corners met. to fix this a lamp bit should be Mike> used, (though i never used one myself). this will put a slight chamfer Mike> on the glass so the top edges meet, instead of the bottom ones. this Mike> will also make your seams thinner. I thought about the bit, but it was rather expensive (around Can$40) so I decided to do it "by hand", by holding the pieces at an angle. It kind of worked. I also realized that the angle has to change depending on the shape of the piece and the radius of the sphere, so the bit has some limitations. But as long as the angle is bigger than required, solder in the back can make up for the lack of a perfect match between the two pieces of glass. Something I forgot to mentioned is that I learned that acetate --the one used for transparencies or slides-- is a superior material for the pattern pieces. It does not disintegrate with water and does not damage the grinder bit. And it is useful to drive the cutter wheel. And photocopier can imprint the pattern in the acetate, obviously. -------------------- and Albert Lewis twists the bytes to say: Albert> I think you were inventive, ingenious and very clever to figure out Albert> so many things, come up with a pattern and try it out. Congrats! Thanks! Albert> One thing I *don't understand, though, is why it's even necessary to Albert> wax the finished work. The silicone in the car wax improves the appearance of the solder lines. They shine nicely. But I swear I'm not going to use it again. Albert, I got the magazine this week! Thanks a lot. -- Daniel M. German "In science, read, by preference, the newest works; in literature, Georges Leclerc Buffon -> the oldest." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 16:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:11:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.121148.0> References: <<199806170223.TAA21246@ns2.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I am a lurker who has come out of the closet. I did send Pat a bio this week. Your discussion on sandblasting and cabinets has been very interesting. This is my two cents for what it's worth. I have a SKAT BLAST system which I bought from Glastar quite a few years ago. It even went to Italy with me. I didn't hook it up for fear of blowing the electricity in the small village where we lived. When we returned to the states my husband made a few modifications for me (he changed the hand held trigger gun to a footswitch which saves the hand from cramping allowing for longer blasting). I then received a commission to do two large glass door panels and they would not fit my system. We contacted SKAT BLAST 1-330-533-3384 ext. 55 and ordered the blueprints for making your own. My husband made it out of 1" plyboard and siliconed the inside for tightness. We were able to make a larger system at quite a savings over purchasing the Glasspasser from Glastar. You can purchase the everything from SB to put it together. They have a catalog and I have ordered nozzles and other items for my existing cabinet at a big savings. Hope this helps someone. Happy blasting, Molly Keys Cindy Pesonen wrote: > Ha,ha,ha! Jerri! > Chuckle begins within you, thank you! > If it weren't for you and my OTHER GUYS, I'd still feel bad enough to hide > within my rock! > Thanks honeypies!!! > Always you're friend, humbley the piece of do-do > signed, Cindy:) > > To: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) > >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) > >Subject: Re: More on sandblasting/Cabinets > > > >>Great story! What a hoot! > >> > >>Jerri > >> > >>>PS... a little story. My hubby set me up in the beginning and then had > >>>to > >>>leave for his work (he works out of town). Well, I was blasting my > >>>heart > >>>away and wanted to quit, but had forgotten how to shut off my > >>>equipment. > >>>Needless to say I had Norm Dobbins phone # and we talked awhile. > >>>How embrassing! > >>>> > >>> > >> > >>_____________________________________________________________________ > >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >> > >> > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 19:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: TV Tuner Card Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.172225.0> References: <<1998Jun17.133953.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I just installed a tuner card, a Hauppage Win TV. Now I can watch TV in a window (or whole screen) while I work on something else in the computer. You probably need at least a 166mhz Pentium, 32 or better ram, and a large hard drive to run the thing fast enough. Win98 will have TV support (if you add a tuner card) The card depending on the maker uses a standard ISA slot or a PCI slot. Great fun, and under $150 US. Now when I am working on a design for glass on the computer, I can watch my favorite program. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > > what about using a tv card for your computer. a computer and a tv gives > off different frequencies. and besides they'd never know it's on because > you could be surfing the net. > > ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 19:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: blast cabinet Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:05:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun17.2558.0> Precedence: bulk I didn't want to bother with building a cabinet, I bought ours from Harbor Frieght Tools. It is made by Central Pneumatic. Its deminsions are 25 1/2 w x 22 h x 17 1/4 inches depth. This is large enough for my work. If I have something larger I just blast with sand outside. The cost was $89.00, you have to set up your own vacuum cleaner and light. Their number is 1-800-423-2567. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 20:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help in making my own cement and grout Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199806180251.DAA07942@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Shakeel, I am Elisabeth ( with an eSS), ; Toby is my "sleeping partner", my guardian and protector ( he sleeps a lot!!) You ( and other Newbies) can meet him on my WEB-page.... ....Ask him nicely.... and he will even say "hello" to you. My "real" name and "nick-name" is Elisabeth. Because I come from the cold North, I've got horns on and bite ferociously. .... I eat little girls & boys for breakfast (especially if they knock on my door trying to sell me things I don't need or don't want...) I have been involved with glass - in one form or another - for 40 years, created stained glass for about 20 and have been teaching it for the last 10 years..... I am bolshy, argumentative and.... Patrick tells me... I am passionate...... Take your pick. People call me all sorts of things.... ;-> I am so glad if any of my suggestions gave you a little bit of a "spark". NEVER be afraid to ask!! But THINK before you do. So very often, you yourself have the answer within you! ....NOW...., what do I do with my 2 Australians..... (sigh!!) As regards kilns, I myself don't paint & fire on glass - if I can help it. I have 1 large kiln (which gave up the ghost about 18 months ago) and 1 small tiny kiln that Dani & Michael have helped me to identify & sort out to use mainly for teaching purposes. I am almost as new to this as you are, but I am following the thread with great interest..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (with a bit of tongue-in-cheek...) Shakeel wrote: Thanks Toby, and every one who responded to my plea for help. Makes one proud to see such solidarity and spirit of generosity among the glass artists. And proud to be a Bungian. (And since the thought just occured to me I will ask a question.) Is it all right to address you all by your first names or nicknames?) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 21:12:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199806180251.DAA07948@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ah.. Daniel, my bare-foot companion...... BBC World Service (says I as a NEUTRAL Swede).. is without question historically truly a quality Service to the World. I used to listen to it in shortwave form during my trials and tribulations in Eastern Europe, in the Middle East ... and in the Far East.... many moons ago. Pity..... that it has to be caught up in commercialism.... That is a tragedy of Today. EliZabeth of Bournemouth prempted me in the cost of the (colour) licence fee. B/W fee is approx. UK Sterling 60 per annum. .....As far as I know.... there are NO concessions if you happen to be colour-blind.... ;-> BBC have also created wonderful Art documentories, including a wonderful 6-part series of historical stained glass and the restoration of Windsor Castle (of which there was a lively discussion in Bungi 9- 10 months ago....), which included the new stained glass prompted and sort-of-partly-designed by the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip of the Fire Brigade Rescue Service.... in action. (Idea & thought "nice" and appropriate; design somewhat naive and amateurish - nevertheless.... "worthy"....). Programmes like these are a rare treat these days, very rare.... Instead we dished up with "Soaps" from all over the world, which are trashy, cheap and cheerful with absolutely no artistic, human or even social value - a kind of a "mind anastethics" (sp?) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Roger> Gee, I thought the NEA was bad - to me, the TV license is really Roger> criminal. Good for you taking a stand. Daniel wrote: Evil might be, but the world has benefited from it plenty. BBC News is arguably the best international news service in the world --I'd choose it over CNN-- and it is partially subsidized by this tax. There was an article in the Globe and Mail some time ago about the excuses given to the TV police. Some are totally hilarious: "The TV is warm because the cat was sleeping over it", for instance. By the way, Elisabeth, do you know --or somebody else-- how much is the license for a color TV and how much for the B&W one? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 21:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UK TV license Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199806180251.DAA07954@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aaayyehhh my friend, taxing it...? Sure I pay!! I DO pay 17.5 per cent tax on subscribing to the Internet itself ....and.... of course.... 17.5 per cent tax (in addition) to my local Internet/ e-mail service provider...... (why do you think I EDIT to bare bones...?) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK David wrote > The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear from > the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in a I wonder what they'll do once the Internet is fast enough to transmit realtime video, and much of our "television programming" comes via the Internet. This will happen; it's only a matter of time. Or do they already tax that in England? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 17 23:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Tax TV in UK Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:40:28 -0700 Message-ID: <199806180428.VAA09294@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, Is TV still commercial free in the UK? Isn't it the license fee that supports TV? Or has all that changed too? You mention 'commercial TV' so I'm not sure if you now have commercials every couple minutes like we do here in the states? I'd sure be willing to pay for commercial free TV. If you do now have commercial TV (which includes frequent commercials) do you also have a 'public broadcasting system' with NO commercials? Ahh, stained glass related... could stained glass classes be demonstrated on such a program for 'public education'? (How's that for making this 'glass' related?) Jean ---------- > From: Toby > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 7:45 PM > > Hi Dorothy (et al), > > Ok, Ok, > Some quaint British rules & regulations.... > Here in UK BBC used to be the sole supplier of tv viewing (many moons > ago). BBC is - in part - a government creation. > So the government in its wisdom devised yet another TAX to get > revenue, namely in order to view tv (of any kind), you need to pay > government tv licence tax. (There used to be one for radio as well, > but this was scrapped at the advent of transistor radios....). > Commercial tv was born, YET the government demanded its pound of > flesh (i.e. licence) 3rd, 4th and satellite tv made its entrance into > thew British scene, YET the government STILL wanted its lkicence fee > (under the guise of BBC). So you buy a tv set and our name gets > forwarded to the tv licencing authority and - hey presto - Big > Brother sends you a demand by mail for the tv licence fee. It is a > criminal offence NOT to have a tv licence, Little unmarried girls > with six demanding children, all living off state benefits have been > sent to prison for not having a tv licence. Detector vans are being > sent round the width and breadth of UK to unearth all the criminals > who do not possess a tv licence. Officials are sent knocking on doors > to demand to see a receipted paid up tv licence. The government > appears not to recognize that citizens might not CHOOSE to have a tv > and watch the deterioating cr....p that purports to be television.. > > So if you make a stand to chose NOT to have tv, therefore NOT to pay > a tv licence, you are doubly harrassed (because you are guilty before > proven innoscent!! [sp?] ) > We ALL have to conform to a particular mould. > My husband has worked for the BBC for almost 40 years, he doesn't > watch tv, he too hasn't got a tv set. > I as a free-spirited Swede will be damned if I will allow myself to > get sucked into the system or become harrassed by it. I haven't got > a tv set either and I will do anything I can to throw the spanners in > the works - good and proper!! > Juniper-fire - HERE i COME!! Boy-steak??? Yuammmmmmmmies!!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in (foreign) UK > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 01:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Tacky Wax oven trick Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:44:52 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun18.64452.0> Precedence: bulk Put your lamp in your oven and turn it on set at 200 degrees - make sure you set the lamp on top of a pan. The wax will melt and run out and loosen the lamp from the mold. If you don't have a working oven, just set it outside in the bright sunlight. Oven time is about 50 minutes, not sure about sunlight - I would guess 2 hours. Most important thing to remember is read the instructions regarding whether your form is the type where you can completely solder the entire lamp first, or is your lamp pattern the type which requires you to leave the lampshade in 2 sections to be soldered later (the two section lamps curve inward at the bottom, hence the need to remove the lamp from the form at a sidways angle since the form won't just slip out the bottom) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 03:01:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:50:32 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.45032.0> Precedence: bulk can anyone explain how you use the tacky wax. how do you keep it soft etc.. Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 03:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Roger Thornhill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: First Odyssey Lamp Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.13140.0> References: <<1998Jun17.132444.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Another thing that works well is shoe polish. Just rub it on lightly, and rub it off right away. Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts Roger Thornhill wrote: > > It is just so much quicker to rub a little dark grout into the surface - > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 03:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grout Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.1380.0> References: <<1998Jun17.101644.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell so correctly wrote: > > It has been my experience that reddish colors fade in the sun worse than > any other color. So true Linda. Red does react to UV light sources. Though my work in the printing industry this is a wellknow fact. There are inks that will slow the process, but not eliminate it. Just look a a four color process printed poster in a stroe window that been there a while, the red will be gone, but the black, blue and yellow will be there. And i agree, i don't think there is a sealer in the world that would prevent grout from fading. Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 04:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Gerard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.22630.0> References: <<1998Jun19.45032.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Hi Gerard, I simply keep mine in a zip-loc baggy. Work well for me. Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts Gerard wrote: > > can anyone explain how you use the tacky wax. how do you keep it soft etc.. > Harlequin Leadlight Home page > http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html > http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 09:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Kitchen Panels (support question) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 08:21:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jun10.62426.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > Just picked up on this thread and have to comment. I am planning a = > similar project. There is a space between my cabinets over the sink = > about 4 feet wide. I am planning to make three panels about 11" high and = > mount them in oak 2" x 1". The 2" x 1" matches the corner framing of my = > cabinets.=20 > > My plan is to rout out slots in the oak that will hold the three glass = > panels. The oak will not be like a picture frame (attached) to the glass = > panels but will be mounted separately. I intend to start with the lower = > 4' piece and attach it in the opening at either side using L-brackets = > from behind. Then I will mount a vertical 11" piece on each side. Two = > separater pieces will be routed on both sides will go in the middle, = > followed by an inverted 4' piece on top attached to the cabinets with th = > L-brackets like the bottom piece. This means that the only screws will = > be in the L-brackets and I can remove the top piece and, slip out the = > panels change them when ever I tire of them. Each panel will be 11" x = > 16" and I don't plan to use any reinforcing since they will not be in a = > place that they can be bumped and the oak is pretty sturdy. there was an article in the last glass craftsman magazine that described this almost exactly. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 10:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: UK TV license Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:00:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.1804.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad said... what about using a tv card for your computer. a computer and a tv gives off different frequencies. and besides they'd never know it's on because you could be surfing the net. ---Mike Savad There always has to be a tv tuner involved somewhere and it is the local oscillator in the tuner that they detect. The main thing missed out in this is that in UK the BBC does not transmit adverts and that is why we have to pay a fee. All other channels have to finance themselves that way. This is wonderful TV and this is one of the reasons why we tolerate the archaic rules as previously mentioned. In five years the license will be scrapped when we go digital, in ten years all transmissions will be digital and all sets in the uk will be obsolete. Digital means encrypted means pay for card or no tv or become a computer hacking expert for digital encryption cards as people do now on sat tv. Sorry about lengthening this non glass discussion. Brandon S. jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 11:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CEFFF8C467421D883976D3D1" Subject: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.25534.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CEFFF8C467421D883976D3D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All, Well I'm going to let off some pent up anger and also get some good advice from you guy's. Here's my situation: First off, I usually do not do consignment. I have been lucky and have stayed away from it because I really don't want to mess around with it. Well a friend of mine opened up a business down at the beach. She wanted some of my stones, but because she was short on cash flow offered me the consignment. She just "Had To" have my stones in her shop. O.k. I said, signed the contracts, blah, blah. Well come to find out the woman is only open on the weekends! So 8 days out of the month she is selling inventory! Good Grief! You know that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when something just isn't right? Well I've got it and Rolaids is not taking this one away. I have been in other businesses, and I believe that I am correct in assuming that to make money you need to devote 10 to 12 hour days and be accessible to the public 5 to 7 days a week. Seems logical to me. So, I'm asking the experienced, wonderful friends at bungi to give me some straight advice here. Should I pull out of this situation or leave a limited amount of inventory in her shop? I think Elisabeth said it all yesterday when she said that "you yourself have the answer within you". So true and I guess I'm procrastinating because she is a friend. I know never go into a business venture with a friend! I would have a glass of wine to calm down but it's only 9:42 a.m. my time. Why couldn't it be noon! Better call my therapist too. P.S. Elisabeth-Thanks for the laugh yesterday! For the newbies, like me, I thought for the longest time that Toby was your spouse. I nearly fell off my chair when I went to your site and saw who Toby was, very, very funny! Thanks! See Toby at: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm Awaiting the bold responses, Pam --------------CEFFF8C467421D883976D3D1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ n: President~;Pamela Burns-Tappan~ org: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: Moswood Mountain Limited x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------CEFFF8C467421D883976D3D1-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 11:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Kitchen Panels (support question) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.9832.0> Precedence: bulk Dag, I'm good, didn't see the magazine. Just thought it up on my own....Or it came from the collective subconscience. Linda charles said: there was an article in the last glass craftsman magazine that described this almost exactly. regards, charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 12:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:45:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199806181939.PAA02121@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I would have a glass of wine to calm > down but it's only 9:42 a.m. my time. Oh, well. It's 5:42 p.m. *somewhere. I think you have to follow your heart on this one. If you're not happy about it, pull the work. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 13:12:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 11:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jun13.82645.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk "Pat Kelly" wrote: > What is really annoying is when they have a computer call you at supper time > and you hang up only to call you back immediately because the timer didn't > expire. > > My solution was to wait and jot down the toll-free number, then go to my > computer and have it call the toll-free every five minutes. After about 2 > hours (24 calls that they have to pay for). I call them and ask if they have > been getting a lot of hang-ups. When they say yes ... I tell them that I'll > make a deal " You take my number off your list and I'll take your number of > my list. If not, my computer will call you every 3 minutes 24 hrs a day for > a week." technically, this is illegal and you can be prosecuted for it. it happened that someone programmed a set of dialers to call a televangilist (falwell i think) constantly. they were sent to jail for multiple years. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 13:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Stained Glass to visit in NY state and Canada Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.2165.0> Precedence: bulk One of my students is shortly travelling across the pond to stay with relatives for a couple of months and has asked me if I can find out any interesting stained glass for her to visit. Her itinerary will include Watertown (NY state), Toronto and Ontario. Can any of you bunginians think of any "not to miss" windows, museums etc? She leaves in a weeks time. Thanks in advance EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass Elizabeth & Sam Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) 790 Wimborne Road Bournemouth Dorset BH9 2DX England Tel : 01202 514734 Fax : 01202 250239 http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 13:44:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Correction - Stained Glass to visit in NY state and Canada Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.21836.0> Precedence: bulk One of my students is shortly travelling across the pond to stay with relatives for a couple of months and has asked me if I can find out any interesting stained glass for her to visit. Her itinerary will include Watertown (NY state), Michigan and Toronto. Can any of you bunginians think of any "not to miss" windows, museums etc? She leaves in a weeks time. Thanks in advance EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass Elizabeth & Sam Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) 790 Wimborne Road Bournemouth Dorset BH9 2DX England Tel : 01202 514734 Fax : 01202 250239 http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 14:18:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: dichrocs Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:59:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun18.19596.0> Precedence: bulk Did someone ask ablut dichroics? Click on this link: Kroma Glass Studio Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 14:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199806182016.QAA21374@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk What is the split? For sake of argument, say it's 50/50 for a store open 60 hours per week. If the store is open 20 hours per week, I would think that the split should be 3 times better in your favor. I.e., instead of getting half of the sales, you should get five/sixths. What your friend is asking of you is highly unreasonable, I think. -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 14:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Glass in Toronto Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <199806182031.QAA02059@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk There are two churches that are very impressive for its SG work. Both in downtown. One is St. James Cathedral and the other is St. Paul Cathedral. They have beatiful windows from the turn of the century. St. Paul is supposed to have a Tiffany but I have not been able to "discover" which one it is. And in particular Waterloo has the "Canadian Clay and Glass Gallery", a small museum dedicated to both arts. -- Daniel M. German "One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primivite and childlike --and yet it is the most precious thing Albert Einstein -> we have. " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 15:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.124646.0> References: <<1998Jun18.25534.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam! If your friend's shop is in a tourist/resort area and most of the traffic is on weekends, it is understandable why she's only open then. I had a shoppe that was only open on weekends-- and only open eight weekends at that!--and it was lucrative enough to keep me going eight months without a care. So...it depends. I'd try it for a while and see what happens. Good luck! Nadine > Howdy All, > > Well I'm going to let off some pent up anger and also get some good > advice from you guy's. Here's my situation: > > First off, I usually do not do consignment. I have been lucky and have > > stayed away from it because I really don't want to mess around with > it. > Well a friend of mine opened up a business down at the beach. She > wanted > some of my stones, but because she was short on cash flow offered me > the > consignment. She just "Had To" have my stones in her shop. > > O.k. I said, signed the contracts, blah, blah. Well come to find out > the > woman is only open on the weekends! So 8 days out of the month she is > selling inventory! Good Grief! You know that feeling you get in the > pit > of your stomach when something just isn't right? Well I've got it and > Rolaids is not taking this one away. I have been in other businesses, > and I believe that I am correct in assuming that to make money you > need > to devote 10 to 12 hour days and be accessible to the public 5 to 7 > days > a week. Seems logical to me. So, I'm asking the experienced, > wonderful > friends at bungi to give me some straight advice here. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ > Moswood Mountain Limited > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > > Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ > Moswood Mountain Limited > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > Netscape Conference > Address > Netscape Conference DLS > Server > Additional Information: > Last Name President~ > First NamePamela Burns-Tappan~ > Version 2.1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 15:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, ptap@pacifier.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:51:06 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun18.21516.0> Precedence: bulk How long has she had the stones? If she has just had them a very short while but has been successful selling them, then I would leave the stones there. However, remember - who in their right mind goes to the beach and buys a 25 lb. piece of concrete to lug around. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 16:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jun18.25534.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Should I pull out of this situation or leave a limited amount of > inventory in her shop? I think Elisabeth said it all yesterday when she > said that "you yourself have the answer within you". So true and I guess > I'm procrastinating because she is a friend. I know never go into a > business venture with a friend! I would have a glass of wine to calm > down but it's only 9:42 a.m. my time. Why couldn't it be noon! Better > call my therapist too. well, i've been in a lot of resorts, and lots of them are deserted during the week. your answer depends: do they sell enough on the weekends (i would include friday in a weekend in a resort) to sell enough of your stuff to make it worthwhile to you? if so, then would staying open 5-7 days sell more? without data, you can't make that decision. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 16:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Adventures in Wholesale Land Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:01:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.14140.0> Precedence: bulk OK, I know some of you have been waiting to hear about my recent (i.e. last weekend) adventures into the strange world of wholesale. This is a condensed version, to be sure. The usual caveats apply...your milage may vary...void where prohibited...etc. The wholesale show: Market Square Traditional Show at Valley Forge Convention Center & the Ft. Washington Expo Convention Center in the suburbs of Philadelphia, PA USA. Number of exhibitors =3D about 2000 spread out between these two major convention centers. My booth was located at the Valley Forge site, on the lower level back along the far right wall near the bathrooms. Believe me, this makes a difference. Being near the bathroom is GOOD. Also being on the far right aisle is GOOD, since quite a few people start there on a big show in order to not loose their way in all the crowds. Setup Thursday 8-8 and Friday 8-8. Very, very, very nice setup! The management had hired college students to help with the unloading of trucks, schlepping of stuff over to your booth site, setting up of booth and un- packing of stuff. Well worth the tips I gave them. Setup only took 2 hours. Since I had done plenty of indoor and outdoor retail shows I was ready for all the activity and = controlled chaos of setup. I added curtains around the outside walls of my booth this year and liked the look. Show dates: Saturday 9-6, Sunday 9-6, Monday 9-5. The only people allowed in were qualified store owners or buyers who had 4 forms of business ID including a photo id. It's nice to only have people coming through looking at your stuff who are fully qualified to buy it! These people represent small stores, large craft stores, other wholesale shows, craft malls, garden centers, etc. but mostly small craft stores. Most of them come in armed with their credit reference sheets, VISA cards and knowledge of what will/won't sell in their store. Since this show was a traditional craft show I did not bring any of my contemporary stained glass items. I limited my product line to only items I knew would be a good cross-over into the "country" and "traditional" stores. My product list basically was 5 items in various sizes and color combinations. Foot traffic through a wholesale show is much lighter than a retail or open-to-the-public fine arts & craft show. But those that are there are there to buy stuff. I took my first order within 15 minutes of the show's opening. My first order was from a store listed in the top 10 American craft retail stores as listed by Niche magazine. They placed one order for delivery in October, and another order for delivery in May 1999. I did about what I expected in terms of volume and sales $$, based on the fact that a summer show always generates less sales than a show in Jan/Feb. You are on your feet from 9-6 for 3 days, along with setup and tear-down. If you are not used to that, it can be hard on your back and legs. But I'm used to it, so no problem. You make friends with the other booth owners and take turns watching each other's booths when you need to take a bathroom or food break. Show management was good, in fact, much better than any other arts & craft show I've done. They had a free buffet dinner on Saturday and Sunday nights for all the buyers and vendors. I knew that I had the option of selling my samples there at the show after it was over, since unlike other vendors, I was not immediately going on to another wholesale show. So I sold most of my samples to other vendors. Some wanted to work out a swap of my goods for theirs. Some just wanted to purchase outright. I did both. It was nice to not have to pack up and transport most of my stock after the show. Things I did well: - Had my assistant there for the last hour of the last day, when all heck broke loose with other vendors wanting to purchase my samples. - Opted to come back for tear-down on Tuesday morning instead of waiting in a lottery fashion for getting the car in/out of the underground tear-down area on Monday night. - Had my credit card zip-zap machine there for order processing. - Had a booth that could be put up/taken down in 10 minutes. - Didn't loose my temper at one know-it-all vendor - he ended up purchasing about $50 worth of samples at the end of the show. Things I could have done better: - Have a full-color brochure made of my items - Find out earlier if open flames are allowed (for my candles) (they were - but I didn't find out until 4:00 on Saturday) - Found out about the free dinner receptions (I missed out) If anyone has any questions, ask away. It took me 5 hours to process the orders & generate my work schedule, but I'm through that and am back into the bungi swing of things. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 16:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.14133.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan >Should I pull out of this situation or leave a limited amount of inventory in her shop?< Sounds to me like she's not serious about being a retail store owner, if she's only open on weekends. I would not have my stuff in her shop if you have better places for them to be. But if they're only going to be taking up space totally out of the public's eye, then I say it's better to have them in the public's eye only part of the time rather than none of the time. Just my $ .02 worth. Hope the wine was good. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 16:58:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.14345.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "Albert Lewis", INTERNET:alewis@vgernet.net DATE: 6/18/98 3:49 PM RE: Copy of: Re: What a nightmare! Why get all bent out of shape until you have some real experience = with the situation? Your friend may sell more of those stones in the next four weekends than you sell anywhere else all year. It's all about location and hers may be a good one. Give the = situation a fair chance... and your friend. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 17:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.142137.0> References: <<1998Jun18.25534.0>> Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Howdy All, > > Well I'm going to let off some pent up anger and also get some good > advice from you guy's. Here's my situation: > > First off, I usually do not do consignment. I have been lucky and have > stayed away from it because I really don't want to mess around with it. > Well a friend of mine opened up a business down at the beach. She wanted > some of my stones, but because she was short on cash flow offered me the > consignment. She just "Had To" have my stones in her shop. > > O.k. I said, signed the contracts, blah, blah. Well come to find out the > woman is only open on the weekends! So 8 days out of the month she is > selling inventory! Good Grief! You know that feeling you get in the pit > of your stomach when something just isn't right? Well I've got it and > Rolaids is not taking this one away. I have been in other businesses, > and I believe that I am correct in assuming that to make money you need > to devote 10 to 12 hour days and be accessible to the public 5 to 7 days > a week. Seems logical to me. So, I'm asking the experienced, wonderful > friends at bungi to give me some straight advice here. > > Should I pull out of this situation or leave a limited amount of > inventory in her shop? I think Elisabeth said it all yesterday when she > said that "you yourself have the answer within you". So true and I guess > I'm procrastinating because she is a friend. I know never go into a > business venture with a friend! I would have a glass of wine to calm > down but it's only 9:42 a.m. my time. Why couldn't it be noon! Better > call my therapist too. > > P.S. Elisabeth-Thanks for the laugh yesterday! For the newbies, like me, > I thought for the longest time that Toby was your spouse. I nearly fell > off my chair when I went to your site and saw who Toby was, very, very > funny! Thanks! > See Toby at: > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > > Awaiting the bold responses, > > Pam > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: vcard.vcf > Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ i guess the good thing about the weekends is that most people shop on the weekends. if it's free to be in it, i would pull out some of the stones if you need them.. if anything maybe it'll work out. it could be in the right area where the stones may actually sell better then if in a normal hour store. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 17:11:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:22:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.142219.0> References: <<199806182016.QAA21374@ll.mit.edu>> Precedence: bulk David Cogen wrote: > > What is the split? > > For sake of argument, say it's 50/50 for a store open 60 hours per week. > > If the store is open 20 hours per week, I would think that the split should > be 3 times better in your favor. I.e., instead of getting half of the sales, > you should get five/sixths. > > What your friend is asking of you is highly unreasonable, I think. > > -- DavidC > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i guess the good thing about the weekends is that most people shop on the weekends. if it's free to be in it, i would pull out some of the stones if you need them.. if anything maybe it'll work out. it could be in the right area where the stones may actually sell better then if in a normal hour store. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 17:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: ptap@pacifier.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:33:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun18.233314.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-18 15:39:08 EDT, ptap@pacifier.com writes: << You know that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when something just isn't right? Well I've got it and Rolaids is not taking this one away. >> I really believe that this says it all. If it's making you physically ill, get out of it. But consider this: are you this upset because of her hours and she's tying up your inventory or are you this upset because you feel like she pulled a fast one on you by not mentioning her short hours of availablilty? If this really is about having your stones to sell yourself, get them back. If it's really about your feeling betrayed, then have a frank discussion first. If she's really such a good friend, you'll both know what's best to do to keep that friendship. It could be that she really just doesn't have a clue and would be mortified to know how this has made you feel. You know, it's only the people I really care about that have the ability to bug me enough to make me want to drink!!! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 18:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E6F9DC08AFF1BC219D8DB190" Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.103223.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E6F9DC08AFF1BC219D8DB190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger wrote: How long has she had the stones? If she has just had them a very short while but has been successful selling them, then I would leave the stones there. However, remember - who in their right mind goes to the beach and buys a 25 lb. piece of concrete to lug around. ____________________________ Well Roger, my stones weigh 28 pounds a piece and I would gladly haul one home, but when we go camping I bring rocks home too so I may be crazy! The store owner hasn't had them for more than 4 weeks. But the limited communication (i.e. none), not returning phone calls, etc.etc. has really bothered me. I'm not used to non communication, in business it is very important to keep those lines open and answer questions I might have about my inventory in her store. It's the trust factor at play here. To be successful in business you have to be trusted by your clients, customers, dealers etc. Now if I was important enough to her she would return phone calls. How successful would all of us be if we didn't at least give the customer a return call, our dealer etc. Which all boils down to if she wants to be successful in business she needs to be accessible in my opinion. I might add that in order to have your products in her store you had to have specifically designed displays made out of blue pine. Not a problem for me in the display department but she had specifics and so do all of us that are in her shop. I don't mean to go on here, but the point is, why open a shop, spend all of the time and money fixing up the shop and treat the vendors in this way. I gave up a lucrative business in order to do what I really wanted to do, my stones and learning the ropes of glass, relaxing a little in life and enjoying what I do. My last business, communication was my best point and I was always accessible to clients. They trusted me. Is the art of treating the customer etc., with a "your always right" attitude dead? I wonder, I hope not. Just something to ponder. And for all of your outstanding points made, advice and caring attitude today I thank you. This group should have had a disclaimer attached: Beware the bungi group can and will be highly addictive, fun and heartwarming, join at your own risk! Sincerely Pam, who can now have that glass of wine, ya hoo! --------------E6F9DC08AFF1BC219D8DB190 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: ;Pamela Burns-Tappan email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------E6F9DC08AFF1BC219D8DB190-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 20:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:15:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun19.21512.0> Precedence: bulk >>> I have been in other businesses,and I believe that I am correct in assuming that to make money you need to devote 10 to 12 hour days and be accessible to the public 5 to 7 days a week. Seems logical to me. So, I'm asking the experienced, wonderful friends at bungi to give me some straight advice here.<<< Hhmm, Well, first off, would you be selling your stones somewhere else if they weren't in her shop? Then also, if it is beach front store, I can see why she might only be open on the weekends. I'd imagine thats the only really busy time at a beach. She would probably lose money by being open all week long. Also, if you're concerned about leaving a large amount of inventory there, you might consider just leaving one or two..along with a small photo album of other pieces you do. People need to have a sample of your work there so they can see for themselves the craftmanship that justifies your price. Thats my 2 cents, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 20:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.18229.0> References: <<1998Jun18.103223.0>> Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Roger wrote: > > How long has she had the stones? If she has just had them a very short > while but has been successful selling them, then I would leave the > stones there. > > However, remember - who in their right mind goes to the beach and buys a > > 25 lb. piece of concrete to lug around. > > ____________________________ > > Well Roger, my stones weigh 28 pounds a piece and I would gladly haul > one home, but when we go camping I bring rocks home too so I may be > crazy! The store owner hasn't had them for more than 4 weeks. But the > limited communication (i.e. none), not returning phone calls, etc.etc. > has really bothered me. I'm not used to non communication, in business > it is very important to keep those lines open and answer questions I > might have about my inventory in her store. > > It's the trust factor at play here. To be successful in business you > have to be trusted by your clients, customers, dealers etc. Now if I was > important enough to her she would return phone calls. How successful > would all of us be if we didn't at least give the customer a return > call, our dealer etc. > > Which all boils down to if she wants to be successful in business she > needs to be accessible in my opinion. I might add that in order to have > your products in her store you had to have specifically designed > displays made out of blue pine. Not a problem for me in the display > department but she had specifics and so do all of us that are in her > shop. I don't mean to go on here, but the point is, why open a shop, > spend all of the time and money fixing up the shop and treat the vendors > in this way. > > I gave up a lucrative business in order to do what I really wanted to > do, my stones and learning the ropes of glass, relaxing a little in life > and enjoying what I do. My last business, communication was my best > point and I was always accessible to clients. They trusted me. Is the > art of treating the customer etc., with a "your always right" attitude > dead? I wonder, I hope not. Just something to ponder. > > And for all of your outstanding points made, advice and caring attitude > today I thank you. This group should have had a disclaimer attached: > > Beware the bungi group can and will be highly addictive, fun and > heartwarming, join at your own risk! > > Sincerely > > Pam, who can now have that glass of wine, ya hoo! > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: vcard.vcf > Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan would it be possible to drop by, and see what the shop looks like on a weekend? i would want to see what kind of traffic is there, or even if it is there. i was in a consignment type store for about a year. i barely broke even with the rent. mainly the lady there did'nt care about the people she's renting to. there was a little kid (hers), always running around. apparently a few things (about 20) were stolen. she said that the thieves liked the stained glass... but of course she told no one. she once broke a box of mine. i gave her a repair cost of about half of the cost of selling it (her terms). apparently the terms changes if a piece were to actually break. she did her own estimate. she went into a stained glass store and asked them how much a 4" x 4" piece of glass would cost. they said 50 cents, and because she was so generous, she gave me a whole stinkin buck! instead of the $20.00 i put down.... the stolen pieces she gave me a 1/4 of the 1/2 of the selling price. i pulled out of there at just the right time. the store was shrinking, the cubbies were being moved around. the projects were covered in drywall dust, and other's were broken becuase she moved the booths with out removing the items. i'm not sure when she moved out, but i think it was about 1-2 months later, and the store was gone. it was one of those types of stores that was ran like a hobby. not looking at the merchandise, and so on... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 21:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.19301.0> References: <<1998Jun18.25534.0>> Precedence: bulk Could you talk your friend into displaying some of your stones in the shop window with your name and phone number to contact, when the shop is closed. We were on vacation and saw watercolor of a Golden Retriever puppies and their was a contact number as the shop was closed. Yes, we proudly own the painting!! It worked for that artist! Maybe it can for you too. Good Luck Goldpaws Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > Howdy All, > > Well I'm going to let off some pent up anger and also get some good > advice from you guy's. Here's my situation: > > First off, I usually do not do consignment. I have been lucky and have > stayed away from it because I really don't want to mess around with it. > Well a friend of mine opened up a business down at the beach. She wanted > some of my stones, but because she was short on cash flow offered me the > consignment. She just "Had To" have my stones in her shop. > > O.k. I said, signed the contracts, blah, blah. Well come to find out the > woman is only open on the weekends! So 8 days out of the month she is > selling inventory! Good Grief! You know that feeling you get in the pit > of your stomach when something just isn't right? Well I've got it and > Rolaids is not taking this one away. I have been in other businesses, > and I believe that I am correct in assuming that to make money you need > to devote 10 to 12 hour days and be accessible to the public 5 to 7 days > a week. Seems logical to me. So, I'm asking the experienced, wonderful > friends at bungi to give me some straight advice here. > > Should I pull out of this situation or leave a limited amount of > inventory in her shop? I think Elisabeth said it all yesterday when she > said that "you yourself have the answer within you". So true and I guess > I'm procrastinating because she is a friend. I know never go into a > business venture with a friend! I would have a glass of wine to calm > down but it's only 9:42 a.m. my time. Why couldn't it be noon! Better > call my therapist too. > > P.S. Elisabeth-Thanks for the laugh yesterday! For the newbies, like me, > I thought for the longest time that Toby was your spouse. I nearly fell > off my chair when I went to your site and saw who Toby was, very, very > funny! Thanks! > See Toby at: > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > > Awaiting the bold responses, > > Pam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ > Moswood Mountain Limited > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > > Pamela Burns-Tappan~ President~ > Moswood Mountain Limited > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html > Netscape Conference Address > Netscape Conference DLS Server > Additional Information: > Last Name President~ > First NamePamela Burns-Tappan~ > Version 2.1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 22:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Donuts Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:22:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.202215.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hope nobody already suggested this one. I missed a couple of days and might have missed it trying to catch up. When I worked in a stained glass lamp factory way back when, we used to do this as a recreational activity during breaks. Start by scoring the inner circle. Pry on the score line all around the circle to open the score line up. Be careful not to exert too much pressure or the score line might run out through your donut. Next cut some arc shaped scores inside of the inner circle, sort of parallel to the inner circle. These scores should be just like the ones you would use to work your way into a deep cut. Now score a cross hatch pattern all back and forth across the rest of the donut hole. With the ball end of a glass cutter tap on the cross hatched lines in the very center of the donut hole until the pieces start to fall out. Now start to use the teeth of the cutter to bend downward on the cross hatched pieces to remove them. After all the cross hatched pieces have been pried out you'll have the arc shaped cuts to pry out to bring you to the edge of the donut hole. Now of course you need to cut the outside circle of the donut, but that's the easy part. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 18 23:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B4268B5E06CFBC6D95374F7F" Subject: Nothing to do with glass~MIT Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:42:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.154230.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B4268B5E06CFBC6D95374F7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Thought some of you might enjoy Kurt Vonnegut's commencement speech for the class of 97, as a something to think about for friday. This was Kurt Vonnegut's commencement address at MIT. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '97: >> > >> > Wear sunscreen. >> > >> > If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen >> > would be it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been >> > proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no >> > basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will >> > dispense this advice now. >> > >> > Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. >> > You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth >> > until they've faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you'll look >> > back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp >> > now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you >> > really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine. >> > >> > Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying >> > is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing >> > bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that >> > never crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm >> > on some idle Tuesday. >> > >> > Do one thing every day that scares you. >> > >> > Sing. >> > >> > Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with >> > people who are reckless with yours. >> > >> > Floss.. >> > >> > Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, >> > sometimes you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, >> > it's only with yourself. >> > >> > Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you >> > succeed in doing this, tell me how. >> > >> > Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements. >> > >> > Stretch. >> > >> > Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with >> > your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at >> > 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most >> > interesting 40-year-olds I know still don't. >> > >> > Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them >> > when they're gone. >> > >> > Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children, >> > maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance >> > the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you >> > do, don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself >> > >> > >> > >> > either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else's. >> > >> > Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of >> > it or of what other people think of it. It's the greatest >> > instrument you'll ever own. >> > >> > Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. >> > >> > Read the directions, even if you don't follow them. >> > >> > Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly. >> > >> > Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone >> > for good. Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to >> > your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the >> > future. >> > >> > Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few >> > you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography >> > and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need >> > the people who knew you when you were young. >> > >> > Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. >> > Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you >> > soft. Travel. >> > >> > Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians >> > will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll >> > fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, >> > politicians were noble, and children respected their elders. >> > >> > Respect your elders. >> > >> > Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust >> > fund. Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when >> > either one might run out. >> > >> > Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it >> > will look 85. >> > >> > Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who >> > supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way >> > of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting >> > over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth. >> > >> > But trust me on the sunscreen. >> > See ya.. Pam --------------B4268B5E06CFBC6D95374F7F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: ;Pamela Burns-Tappan email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------B4268B5E06CFBC6D95374F7F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 01:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: lamp form Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:02:33 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.3233.0> Precedence: bulk for those interested in lampmaking in general but also how to make your own moulds out of balsa wood check the itashiro web site. beside having an impressive collection of leadlight he has 3 technical pages worth looking at. The lampshade making is http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/html-data/tpage2.html but the main page is http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html He even has picture of work with pieces of glass the size of grains of rice. he calls it showoff. True!! see it at http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/tech-data/showoff.jpg Harlequin Leadlight Home page http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 04:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Donuts Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.21114.0> Precedence: bulk Gary, How small of an inside circle could you cut out in this fashion. = sounds fascinating and I'll try it on some cheap glass. I t may come in = handy someday. Linda Gary said: Hi all, Hope nobody already suggested this one. I missed a couple of days and might have missed it trying to catch up. When I worked in a stained glass lamp factory way back when, we used to do this as a recreational activity during breaks. Start by scoring the inner circle. Pry on the score line all around the circle to open the score line up. Be careful not to exert too much pressure or the score line might run out through your donut. Next cut some arc shaped scores inside of the inner circle, sort of parallel to the inner circle. These scores should be just like the = ones you would use to work your way into a deep cut. Now score a cross hatch pattern all back and forth across the rest of = the donut hole. With the ball end of a glass cutter tap on the cross hatched lines in = the very center of the donut hole until the pieces start to fall out. Now start to use the teeth of the cutter to bend downward on the cross hatched pieces to remove them. After all the cross hatched pieces have been pried out you'll have the arc shaped cuts to pry out to bring you = to the edge of the donut hole. Now of course you need to cut the outside circle of the donut, but = that's the easy part. Gary Dodge ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 06:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: exmail.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: "McLaughlin, J. COL DENTAC" To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Remove Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun1.95213.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list for now. Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 07:50:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kurt Vonnegut's commencement address Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:06:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199806191500.LAA16681@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > This was Kurt Vonnegut's commencement address at MIT. Vonnegut's so-called commencement address was a hoax. He never gave it, never said it. A Chicago Tribune writer called him: I did, however, finally track down Mr. Vonnegut. He picked up his own phone. He'd heard about the sunscreen speech from his lawyer, from friends, from a women's magazine that wanted to reprint it until he denied he wrote it. "It was very witty, but it wasn't my wittiness," he generously said. Be sure to read "the truth" at the very end of http://milpitas.miningco.com/library/humor/bljoke09.htm 'Nuf said. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 08:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tacky Wax Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:09:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.14947.0> Precedence: bulk As Rick said, the old zip-lick bag. I keep a box handy for everything from foil, band-aids, glass globs, reinforcement, pre-tinned wire... I wonder if we could decide what is the one inventions like zip-lock bags that we could absolutely not live without. Some women in class were attempting there first mosaics yesterday, and the instructor was explaining the use of vaseline as a releasing agent. One of the ladies piped up....yet another use for vaseline. God love the stuff! We are a fortunate generation with so many products that have so many glass applications. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 08:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: lamp form Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:31:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun18.143130.0> Precedence: bulk Itashiro's work is wonderful. Also, he answers his email quickly if you have technical questions. Although, I have not tried making my own filigrees...I have more curiosity than time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 11:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: ptap@pacifier.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:06:58 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun19.17658.0> Precedence: bulk With respect to the glass of wine when needed, I always follow the rule of the late, great Harry S. Truman, when it comes to the proper time for a drink...Harry used to say "Well, it must be five o'clock somewhere" >From a business standpoint, I would limit the inventory, but depending where she is on the beach, she could possibly get as much traffic on a week - end as other shops could get 5-7 days. Like you, I've been is businesses where a daily exposure of 8-12 hrs. was mandatory, and like you, I guess I;m not comfortable with someone who is not giving that amount of energy. Perhaps you should give it a little time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 11:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------067682634200AC8E13F08E6E" Subject: Vonnegut and MIT Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:50:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.25052.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------067682634200AC8E13F08E6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Excuse the misrepresentation but I had no idea it was not an original speech. I promptly went to the cupboard where I keep my pine tar applied a liberal amount, plucked the chickens, attached a sign to my back reading "Hit me, I'm a Vonnegut rumor monger". Was immediately hit by 2 cars and a transit bus. Maybe I better take the day off. P.S. Would love to have a trivia game with you Albert! You would beat the pants off me! Have a good weekend all! Pam --------------067682634200AC8E13F08E6E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: ;Pamela Burns-Tappan email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------067682634200AC8E13F08E6E-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 13:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What a nightmare! Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:45:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.104519.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk If your friend's business is a seasonal one, she may only be open weekends at this time, but in July and August may be open on a full time basis. What would concern me, however, is not having your phone calls returned. If this was to be a part-time business or strictly a fulltime seasonal only business, this should have been made clear up front, eliminating any confusion on your part and possibly wrecking a friendship. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 13:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:42:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.114042.0> Precedence: bulk Here's a trick that might work for your stepping stones. We can't use Vaseline as a mold release for = cement sculptures because it destroys the rubber back-up mold. We use = Downy fabric softener and that works great - goes a long way and easy clean-up. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 14:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------967DBCFDC054D4627292473D" Subject: SGB Featured Artist Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.5516.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------967DBCFDC054D4627292473D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All, Rick Lasita is the Work of the Week artist over at SGB and has a beautiful panel on display. http://www.stainedglassworld.com/index1.html Here is Rick and Kathy's Window Art Glass Studio page featuring several different and beautiful panels. http://home.fuse.net/crafts/ Enjoy, Pam --------------967DBCFDC054D4627292473D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: ;Pamela Burns-Tappan email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------967DBCFDC054D4627292473D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 14:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Vonnegut and MIT Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:58:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun19.195817.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-19 14:25:32 EDT, you write: << I promptly went to the cupboard where I keep my pine tar applied a liberal amount, plucked the chickens, attached a sign to my back reading "Hit me, I'm a Vonnegut rumor monger". Was immediately hit by 2 cars and a transit bus. Maybe I better take the day off. P.S. Would love to have a trivia game with you Albert! You would beat the pants off me! Have a good weekend all! Pam >> No, Kurt didn't write it but I still enjoyed reading it again. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 16:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Nothing to do with glass~MIT Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 17:43:51 -0000 Message-ID: <199806192141.RAA10600@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Pam, Thanks for sending it anyway. It was fun reading no matter who wrote it. And Albert, thanks for sending URL of the article by the "real" author - great!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 18:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SGB Featured Artist Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:37:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199806200032.UAA13591@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Rick Lasita is the Work of the Week artist over at SGB I keep meaning to mention that dozens of fusing and kilnworking courses were added to the Events calendar on SGB in the last few days, too. Check out July98 through May99. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 19:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Charles Spitzer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Something for Friday, fun with tele-marketers Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.15235.0> Precedence: bulk < technically, this is illegal and you can be prosecuted for it. it happened that someone programmed a set of dialers to call a televangilist (falwell i think) constantly. they were sent to jail for multiple years.> Did some research and didn't find any evidence of anyone being prosecuted for a like action. If it did happen I guess Fallwell isn't as forgiving when it comes to collecting money as he profess to be about forgiving sin. If it is "technically" illegal, I "technically" was a victim of " temporary insanity" due to my ravenous hunger and being disturbed. I have but one rule when attacked ... respond with overwhelming force (it has served me well in my former and latter professions). Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS. Last word on this thread (from me) ... Technically legal or not, I haven't be bothered by telemarketers since. (8-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 19:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Request for Shirley Ballock Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:15:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.11553.0> Precedence: bulk Could you send copy of instruction sheet that you give your customers for the care of stepping stones? I would like to give copies to some beginning glass-addicts, that just made their first mosaic yesterday. This way they will know how to take care of them too. I have never done any, so I don't have a clue what to tell them as to how to take care of them. I printed a copy of your article from Common Glass, I am sure they will love it. You were very generous in sharing your experience and enthusiasm. thanks cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 19 21:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Vonnegut and MIT Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.151657.0> Precedence: bulk >I promptly went to the cupboard where I keep my pine tar applied a liberal amount, plucked the chickens, attached a sign to my back reading "Hit me, I'm a Vonnegut rumor monger". > Hhhhhmmmm this sounds like a great idea for a stained glass pattern. I'd have to do something with the feathers though... too much detail. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 06:01:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:29:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.32921.0> References: <<1998Jun19.114042.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk And another trick that worked for me is , believe it or not, WD-40. Works very well. Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Here's a trick that might work for > your stepping stones. We can't use > Vaseline as a mold release for = > > cement sculptures because it destroys > the rubber back-up mold. We use = > > Downy fabric softener and that works > great - goes a long way and easy > clean-up. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 06:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Custom Bevel Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:44:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.34448.0> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Need some help here. I have a potential client who wants a beveled sidelight and transom done. They would like to have the first inital of their last name above the door. The letter is a "P". anyone do, or kno who to contact, to get a price on this? I'm figuring the letter to be about 7 to 9" tall and perhaps 4" wide. Thanks, Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 08:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:43:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun20.134340.0> Precedence: bulk Here is what I would do: This whole thing seems to really be bothering you. I think you would be happiest getting your stones back, since it is not just one facet of this situation that has you concerned, but many. Find out where the store is. Go there - when your friend is there, and say that you were stopping in to see how things were going. I'd be friendly, and not make it look like there is a problem (avoiding any friction to the friendship). Next, I would go to the stones (with her), and say, something like, "oh, the stones haven't sold yet? - I have someone who wants me to make them 4 or 6 of them" (or whatever) next I would just tell her flat out that you are taking them so that you can fill the customer's rush order, and you promised to replace them very soon - say, in a week or so. See how she reacts. You will probably know by now whether you have made the right decision (from seeing her reaction to you showing up, etc.) - to take the stones back. If she is cool about the situation and doesn't give you any static, then you might consider REALLY replacing the ones you are taking back. But, at least #1 you'd have your property back, and #2 you'd have the option of continuing this endeavor with her. But, all in all, if it bothers you that much, which it does, it's no use sitting around and waiting for her to call you (she obviously isn't going to), and worring yourself sick about where your stones are and what is going on with the whole situation. Just my opinion!! Good luck!! Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 10:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: fellow Bungians from Scotland Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806201546.IAA18457@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi there, I've been talking to a woman here in BC, Canada, (108 Mile), who had bought 3 or 4 panels, (sidelights) from an Artist in Scotland. (She mentioned he has done a pub there) One of them has been broken in transit (airlines mistake) and is looking for recourse. Which the airlines said they would. I know this is a shot in the dark, but am curious..are you a fellow bungian? We are in the first stages of conversation, and I have mentioned that I may have troubles matching the broken glass. I also mentioned that since it was the fault of the airlines that maybe they should pay for a new one to be built and if the Artist would send over replacement glass also, I could repair the broken one... and she would have 2. Sounds fair to me! Just curious, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 12:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi , Melanie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Adventures in Wholesale Land Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.9509.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Peggy W. Johnsen" >It sounds like you had a really good experience. I am wanting to branch= out beyond consignments and custom orders. The thing I don't know is wha= t will sell. I think I asked you before what type of items you have for sell. < I selected certain items to turn into my wholesale items based on some business criteria. I'm sure the same guidelines will work for just about anyone with just about any product. - What are my best-selling items? - Do they sell consistently year-round or are they seasonal? Both types are OK, but this dictates production schedule and also which shows you should aim for. - How much is my retail price on them? - How much does it cost me to make them? Include materials, labor, overhead, etc. - Cut the retail price in half. Is this 'wholesale price' more than the price to make them? If so, then it's not a candidate for wholesale unless you raise the retail price. - Are you willing to make lots and lots of them exactly the same? If you are not willing to do production work, don't attempt to do wholesale. - If you get into a bid, can you hire someone else to make them for you for a lesser price than what you can do? - Are you good at paperwork? Wholesaling requires careful tracking of orders, production schedules, shipping schedules, material ordering, etc. Hope this helps you select a product line. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 15:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: GRace Under fire Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:57:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.105745.0> Precedence: bulk My son has asked me to make a piece of stained glass for his bathroom window. Sounds easy, right? Surprise, surprise! He wants a same pattern as the front door on the TV show, Grace Under Fire. He taped the show but there no way I'm smart enough to draw my own pattern. Does anyone have any suggestions?. He's been talking about this door ever since the show first aired. Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 16:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:51:44 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun20.215144.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware store or if it was strictly stained glass related. Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 18:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.162757.0> References: <<1998Jun20.215144.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to > be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't > remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware > store or if it was strictly stained glass related. > > Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. > > Thanks! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass try liquid wrench, this stuff will unstick almost anything. put a little on the top, let it soak, and do it again. then carefully remove it by pulling, or lightly prying it. after it's removed, then clean off the oxidation on the shaft and the inside of the bit. then apply the antiseize for the new bit (or the old one). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 19:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio #28 Molly Keys Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.144320.0> Precedence: bulk Warm greetings from Texas. My name is Molly Keys and I have been an avid stained glass artist for 21 years. As a young child growing up in the Baptist Church I would sit in amazement on Sunday mornings and study our windows with wonder how they were created. I counted all the blocks and knew where all the cracks were. I still find them amazing. Anyway, I'm a native Texan growing up in a small town (Coolidge) in rural Texas. By the way I'm 47. I graduated from high school in 1968 and went to a junior college not far from where I lived with the intentions of being a librarian or p.e. teacher. On November 22, 1968 I married Jerry Keys, the love of my life. We had been dating for two years. Jerry was a junior at Texas A&M, majoring in electrical engineering. During his senior year Uncle Sam issued an invitation to him (the draft lottery), to join his company. This began "our" service to our country for the next 25 years. During this time we had two daughters, Laura Anne who is 28 and lives in College Station, TX with her husband and daughter. Anthony teaches philosophy at Blinn College and Laura teaches theater arts at St. Michael's Academy. They are "Aggies" through and through. Our youngest daughter Suzi is a senior at Stephen F. Austin in Nacoghoches, Texas, majoring in Horticulture Therapy, who thinks a job at Club Med would be really great. I began my glass obsessiveness three months after Suzi was born. We were stationed at Ft. Bragg, N.C. and I was given a suncatcher for Christmas. In the spring we came to Texas to show off our new baby and my sister had been given a beautiful dogwood window. I knew I could do that. We returned home and I began classes at Fayette Tech. The gentleman I took from was self taught. He was doing arts and crafts shows and making a "bunch" of money. I knew I could do this! We soon moved to Ft. Hood, Texas and I started my own business in our carport storeroom. Over the next few years I did many arts and craft shows. My children did not realize this was a Texas history and geography lesson every weekend as we packed our van to go somewhere in Texas to do a show. In 1981 we began to do the Renaissance Faires ( Scaraborough and Texas). We did these for 13 years, 7 weekends in the spring and 7 in the fall. During this time I was also involved in the wholesale market, doing four major market centers a year. During this time my husband took two short tours overseas. This gave me the opportunity to grow my business and to allow our daughters to attend the same school until graduation. In 1989 my husband fell from a ladder and shattered his ankle (he was putting a new ceiling in my Renaissance booth). It took many operations and months of hospital stays to save his foot. During this time Desert Storm was going on and he missed it. When the war was over and he was well, he received orders for Vicenza, Italy. I closed my business and packed my stuff and the kid and we went to Italy for two years. The tour was a wonderful history lesson unto itself. I marvelled again at the stained glass windows as I visited church after church. When we came home.Copperas Cove, Texas, in 1994 I didn't know if I would begin my business again or not. The word began to spread that I was back and before the household goods were delivered I had orders for 14 windows. Then it hit me I had no choice. Mom's glass had put the first kid through college and it would the second one. So here we go again. Most of my work is original. I tend to do alot of Texas Wildflower pieces, to include flat panels and slumped flower windows. The Bluebonnet or Lupine is our state flower and I never tire of making these. I am constantly working on my design and making changes to make the perfect "Bluebonnet". I have truly been blessed by the Lord. I do two major art shows in Texas; The Texas State Arts and Crafts Show held at Kerrville during the Memorial Day weekend in May and The Salado Art Fair held the first weekend in August and usually our hottest weekend of the summer. The rest of the time I stay busy doing commission windows. I have been asked by my church members to design and fabricate 8 stained glass windows for our new sanctuary First Baptist Church, Copperas Cove. Pray for me that these windows will be to His honor and glory. I know this is lengthy, but in closing I hope that you can feel the love I have for glass art and the warm glow we extend to others through our art. Molly Keys * Personal Note. One of my first stained glass purchases was a Molly Keys original (1987). I still have it in my window. Patrick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 19:39:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Ooops Re: Molly Keys Bio Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:45:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.144543.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, Molly Keys bio should be #29 not 28. Must have been my fat fingers. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 20:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 30 Len Alcamo Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:38:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.15389.0> Precedence: bulk I grew up in Brooklyn NY.... my stepfather was a sadist. I ran away from home alot and quit school when I was 16. Joined the army at 17. Spent a couple of great years in the German Alps.I was stationed in Oberammergau and I was a dental assistant with a light schedule. The dentist I worked with was a skier and so was I. We ski bummed all over Europe. Came home a budding counter-culture type. Friend and I took off for S.F. on motorcycles in the *summer of love*. Got to Wisconsin and we crashed into each other after riding all night. He was all broken up and was in traction for 3 months..........I scraped my knee. ..... I immediately fell in love with the Mississippi River Valley met some people, found out that I could go to the local State College on the GI bill (already had my GED) and still have money left over. Nine bucks a credit !!!. Met my wife ( a local girl ) been married 29 years 2 sons 17 and 26 live in a little 1400 sg ft ...100 years old house just a good 8 iron shot from the river in a town of 900. After I quit glass ( psoriac arthritis) I tried some different stuff and decided on a new business........ die cut ,shot run, custom image products for the advertising specialties, educational and souvenir markets...... Always wanted to run a factory ( why I'll never know) and will soon be on line. One summer while I was off from attending college, I applied at a local church studio that was looking for repair roadies. I got hired. It was a great experience for me since I loved to travel and I did plenty of it. It wasn't long before I was hooked. I left school and went to work there full time. This was a very traditional studio and I did a full apprenticeship. Started out sweeping the floor and unloading glass crates, moved into the mud room, worked up to production cutting and glazing. Then some glass picking and a bit of cartooning. I also spent some time on job sites. After a few years, a position opened up for a new window installer I took it and spent the next five years on the road hanging off very tall ladders and walking around on scaffolding. I was the boss. When our second child was born I wanted to get off the road and go back into the studio but it was not to be. I quit and opened up a studio with two friends with plenty of glass experience... we were just starting to make a go of it when the biz was destroyed by fire ...we were not properly insured and never re-opened I went back on the road.......... this time as an independent troubleshooter, restorer and installer. I could control my schedule this way and make more money. A few years go by. I ran into this guy that loved glass and wanted to start a glass factory to make sheet art glass and other glass stuff . We made dalles and blown and cast pieces as well. I jumped on it. I invested as a partner... we made some really neat glass for a few years. I won't bore you with the details but we went elfoldo and I took a financial beating. During this period I had begun to do a little window designing and became fixated with the creative process. I am self taught. I studied everything I could get my hands on about SG . Read tons of design and color theory stuff. Studied the works of the masters. Read Albert's magazines :-) Made hundreds of sketches. So about 10 years ago I became an independent designer- fabricator working out of a home studio. I knew lots of folks in big church studios and they referred clients to me on a regular bases to do commissions they were not interested in. I had no sign, and did no advertising. It was all word of mouth and referrals Anyway I did a few major commissions locally.... attracted the attention of some architects and such, did a few more what I thought were significant pieces but I never quite made the big time. We thought briefly about about moving out to the west coast to try and * make it* I never regretted not going though.....we are very happy with our lifestyle.... just a couple of small town folk. I don't even know where the key is to lock the house. Its the kind of peace of mind you can't buy. So I just continued on with mostly residential stuff in high buck homes until I quit business in '97 . I loved every minute of it. Well thats more then enough.. I did not really bare my soul... lucky for you all... that would take a bottle of good Merlot in a smoky room late at night. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 20:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: volleyball pattern Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:50:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.175041.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, A friend who doesn't have access to a computer is looking for a volleyball pattern, maybe someone spiking a ball, not too big, more like a sun cather. She's very talented and I know can draw what she wants, but I told her I'd see if anyone knew of any. Thanks, Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 20:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk Subject: Re: Stained Glass to visit in NY state and Canada Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:54:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun21.1541.0> References: <<1998Jun18.2165.0>> Precedence: bulk Finally something I can respond to! I live in Upstate NY, about 2 hours from Watertown. THere is a company called Meyda Stained Glass, Tiffany style glass, in Utica, NY. It may be of some interest. I am not sure if they have a website. Corning Glass Works isn't too far either (at least not after crossing the pond). That would definately be worth the trip. Other than that Upstate NY is not exactly a haven for stained glass enthusiasts. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 21:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: lcbell@memach.com Subject: Re: Donuts Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.184049.0> References: <<01BD9B49.10DD5320@mmc043.memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, About the smallest I've ever succeeded with was an inch and a half or so, but obviously the larger the easier. As the circle gets tighter it takes more failed attempts for each successful one. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:11:14 -0400 Linda Campbell writes: > >Gary, How small of an inside circle could you cut out in this fashion. >= >sounds fascinating and I'll try it on some cheap glass. I t may come >in = >handy someday. > >Linda > > > >Gary said: > >Hi all, > >Hope nobody already suggested this one. I missed a couple of days and >might have missed it trying to catch up. > >When I worked in a stained glass lamp factory way back when, we used >to >do this as a recreational activity during breaks. > >Start by scoring the inner circle. Pry on the score line all around >the >circle to open the score line up. Be careful not to exert too much >pressure or the score line might run out through your donut. >Next cut some arc shaped scores inside of the inner circle, sort of >parallel to the inner circle. These scores should be just like the = >ones >you would use to work your way into a deep cut. > >Now score a cross hatch pattern all back and forth across the rest of >= >the >donut hole. >With the ball end of a glass cutter tap on the cross hatched lines in >= >the >very center of the donut hole until the pieces start to fall out. Now >start to use the teeth of the cutter to bend downward on the cross >hatched pieces to remove them. After all the cross hatched pieces >have >been pried out you'll have the arc shaped cuts to pry out to bring you >= >to >the edge of the donut hole. >Now of course you need to cut the outside circle of the donut, but = >that's >the easy part. > >Gary Dodge > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 20 21:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: donut Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:46:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun21.34619.0> Precedence: bulk I'd just like to thank everyone who took the time to answer my question about cutting a donut out of a sheet of glass. I'm going to study this a bit more before I decide which technique to use but I appreciate having a variety of ways to try it! I'm going to attempt it on a smaller scale before I try the big one! Thanks so much! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 00:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0519572EDF1D6F0DDFD2B5D8" Subject: Re: Molly and Len Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:34:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun20.153453.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0519572EDF1D6F0DDFD2B5D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All, And especially Molly and Len! Fabulous and fascinating you two are, how wonderful for you to share! Enjoyed every minute of your bio's whilst I devoured my Saturday night popcorn. Would you both like to share your web site addresses with us all? I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to view the art behind the bio. Please, Please! Thank you Pam --------------0519572EDF1D6F0DDFD2B5D8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: ;Pamela Burns-Tappan email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0519572EDF1D6F0DDFD2B5D8-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 02:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:56:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980621035657.006e9f60@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 05:51 PM 6/20/98 EDT, BMarhon@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to >be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't >remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware >store or if it was strictly stained glass related. > >Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. I have one grinder that must have the wrong size shaft, and makes it almost impossible to move the grinding head up or down easily. I have slathered that thing with vaseline before I put each new grinding head on, but still have to get out the claw end of the hammer (after I have emptied the water reservoir of course - didn't do that once and the resulting mess was memorable!) and pry it up gently and sometimes not so gently! Lucky for me, the grinding head has always come off the shaft eventually, but I always swear, I will never ever use that grinder again, until my memory lapses a little again, and I find that particular one handy! Good luck removing the grinding head. You'll need it! Joyce Moran Garden of Glass Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 04:42:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:25:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun21.102519.0> Precedence: bulk One time I screwed the grinder head into the round part of the shaft instead of the flat side of the shaft. I took some fine sand paper and held it on the exposed area of the shaft while the grinder was turning. Then I pushed the grinder down to the bottom (with great difficulty) and then did the same thing (used sandpaper) to the newly exposed part of the shaft. The grinder head did come off and the whole procedure only took about 5 minutes. The sand paper seemed to have no impact on future uses of the grinder shaft. Hope this helps anyone out there who makes the same boo-boo in the future. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 05:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Scotland Bungi Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:57:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun21.105717.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy, if you do not get a response from the artist in Scotland, could you get the info on the artist from the Pub in Scotland, if the client remembers its name? Great idea to purchase the glass via original artist instead of going crazy trying to match it with the glass available in your location. In order for the insurance to cover the repair/replacement of the panel, you will have to submit a repair estimate for them. In fact, the client may have to submit more than 1 repair estimate, depending on the insurance company. If the panel can be repaired for less money than to be replaced, the client will have to go for the repair. Be sure to give yourself plenty of markup (money) for the job, as you never know what problems you may encounter either way. Good luck! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 07:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Exhibit (long) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.53639.0> Precedence: bulk Another Saturday, and although I did not have a craft fair, there I was, out in a downpour. Just so you know my record of getting soaking wet on the weekend remains intact. We drove down to the Guilford Hancraft Center in Guilford CT to view the exhibit "North American Glass 5th Guilford Biennial." There appears to have been very little publicity about this show beyond the CT shoreline. I only knew about it because someone posted the call for entries last year on rec.crafts.glass and I kept a little note taped to my computer with the dates. There are 41 pieces in the show. Only one is stained glass, titled "Gray Matter" by Chris Rifkin described as 3 horizontal panels with chains ($2,300) It's done in clear and shades of gray (cathedral type) Each panel is about 24" by 12" (and I'm not that good at estimating size! ) and chains connect them with a couple of inches clearance. Each piece sort of fits into the one above...i.e., irregular borders. There are some bits of lead overlay (Little pointy pieces that stick out.). There was one small piece framed in wood that appeared to painted clear glass that had pieces foiled together. it hung agains the wall. Two examples of necklaces made of glass beads. One installation of leaves fued between plate glass (by Laura kramer). That left some black ash in the shape of leaves where the leaf started out to be (oh, what awkward sentance construction) There was some fused and blown glass (a lot) that I truely loved. Extraordinary bowls with wonderful shapes and colors. I dont' remember the names of all of them but there was Dichroic Spiral platter by Carmen D'Aquila and Northern Lights by James Thibeuax and Blue New Mexico platter #3 by josh Simpson. Also blown glass was a hanging installation of sea creatures, all in white, by Rachel White called Primordial Sea. Fused panels included migration by Newy Fagan (a triptych of dichroic figures) and a nicely evocative Birch by Roger Thomas. There was intesting flamework construction, looked sort of like a cone a chicken wire turned into a dress. Rather delicate, called Queen by Tina Detz. The first prize winner was a blown glass piece by jonathan Stokes called Untitled II. it's sculptural, kind of funGreen and black spirals built into constuctions that look sort of like the bouncing plantets on "3rd Rock" Balancing it must have been ...well, fun. Transporting it must have been hell. There were two items accepted for the show that broke before they made it! Show runs until July 18 M-Sat 10-5, 12-4on Sunday, Up Rte 77 north of Rte 1 in Guilford CT . suggested donation of $3, but noone standing there watching. Gulford, by the way, in one of those lovely picture perfect tourist shoreline towns, with a big green and quiant old buildings holding expensive shops (there's a wonderful bakery on the green).(I live in an old NE Factory town, the kind that has often been described as decaying....it's coming back, but is not picturesque and charming. But on the other hand, housing is affordable here) We drove through showers to get there, but as we got out of the car, the skies opend up and we were drenched running from car to door. Afterwards we went to the factory outlet stores in Clinton to browse the Book Warehouse store. All in all, a good day. Wet or not. Not I must go pour stepping stones. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 09:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806211446.HAA22827@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I've had this problem before too. I used a hammer, to break loose the grinder head from the shaft. Little taps should do it, I think it's just the glass paste getting inside and seizing it up. Smiles, Cindy >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 09:35:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Scotland Bungi Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806211446.HAA11443@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Lenore. This woman does know the fellow. Seems the airlines has at (the moment) no problem with replacing the window. I asked if it was insured, since Art is very hard to insure. And was told it doesn't seem to be a problem (it's comparable to luggage replacement), and it would fall under that catagory (kinda wierd). She was told she could also claim it under household insurance, but since there's a deductable on household insurance, I feel that's not the way to go. Do you think I'm wrong in saying she should get a new complete window? (if part of a shippment gets damaged I get a whole new shippment, send and paid for) also I get to keep the orginal shippment. I feel since it was no fault on the Artist's crating or this woman, she should be compensated with a new piece of work. And not have to send the broken one back and wait. (I could be wrong on this, but it's worth the try) Sometimes people get badgered by insurance agents (and the like) and are offered 2nd best, unless they know their rights:) Airlines also have many compensation packages when things go wrong, but the unknowing public aren't aware and the airlines DON'T say unless you ask. (saw that on tv) Also I mention she should take a picture of the damage, since it would be a 5 hour trip for her to return to Vancouver. I'm dying to see this work from Scotland! I've told her that, so I shall pop over to have a look at it. Also it would be extremely neat to talk to this fellow, if he were a bungian. Thanks, again! Smiles, Cindy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 09:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Angel pattern Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:09:26 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.11926.0> Precedence: bulk I had a request for some angels is there any pattern available out there ? you could send me a picture directly to harlquin@mpx.com.au Harlequin Leadlight http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html Join the leadlight webring http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 10:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Prehistoric question Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:27:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jun19.222717.0> Precedence: bulk I read that the way the old timers got the copper foil to stick to the glass, before adhesive back ribbon/tape was with wax. There are cases when the adhesive backed ribbon works poorly. If I used the melted wax instead, would that increase the stickiness on a rough or difficult surface? I can see where switching to adhesive certainly speeds things up under normal circumstances, but what if I need a lot of tackiness...is wax better? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 10:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: shad@mail2.nai.net (Family Account) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Exhibit Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:12:55 -0400 Message-ID: <199806211612.JAA21541@mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk Dorothy, Thanks so much for the wonderful review of the glass exhibit at the Guilford Handcraft Center. I'm planning to go there on Tues. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 11:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Exhibit (long) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 13:04:22 -0000 Message-ID: <199806211702.NAA27735@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dorothy, Thanks for your great reporting job on craft show! I enjoyed reading about what's out there - your wonderful descriptions - what sells, pricing, etc. Try to stay dry next time! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 12:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glasschic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.102725.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980621035657.006e9f60@mail.bright.net>> Precedence: bulk glasschic wrote: > > At 05:51 PM 6/20/98 EDT, BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > >Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to > >be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't > >remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware > >store or if it was strictly stained glass related. > > > >Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. > > I have one grinder that must have the wrong size shaft, and makes it almost > impossible to move the grinding head up or down easily. I have slathered > that thing with vaseline before I put each new grinding head on, but still > have to get out the claw end of the hammer (after I have emptied the water > reservoir of course - didn't do that once and the resulting mess was > memorable!) and pry it up gently and sometimes not so gently! Lucky for > me, the grinding head has always come off the shaft eventually, but I > always swear, I will never ever use that grinder again, until my memory > lapses a little again, and I find that particular one handy! > > Good luck removing the grinding head. You'll need it! > > Joyce Moran > Garden of Glass > Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the shaft probably has a burr on it somewhere, probably from an earlier removal attempt. you'll want to file those down before putting the head back on. it could have also developed the burr if the set screw was put in the wrong place... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 14:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Molly and Len Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.10209.0> References: <<1998Jun20.153453.0>> Precedence: bulk I would be happy to share my web address with you if I had one. This is one of those things my husband is working on. It make take a while to complete but I can guarantee when it is done he will have done a wonderful job. I'm trying to have patience. Molly Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > Howdy All, > > And especially Molly and Len! > > Fabulous and fascinating you two are, how wonderful for you to share! > Enjoyed every minute of your bio's whilst I devoured my Saturday night > popcorn. > > Would you both like to share your web site addresses with us all? I'm > sure I'm not alone in wanting to view the art behind the bio. Please, > Please! > > Thank you > > Pam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Pamela Burns-Tappan > > Pamela Burns-Tappan > > Netscape Conference Address > Netscape Conference DLS Server > Additional Information: > Last Name > First NamePamela Burns-Tappan > Version 2.1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 14:54:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Scotland Bungi Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.121427.0> Precedence: bulk The fact that you are questioning the ethics = of your customer ending up with two windows for the price of one, tells me you already know the true and honest answer. Here is what I would do. Refer the customer to the original artist for repair or replacement. Or fix the window for the cost of the repair. Don't try to manipulate the situation to get something for nothing. Karma is karma. Somebody will end up paying the = price somewhere along the line. May sound real mystical, but really it's pretty down-to-earth. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 15:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Molly and Len Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.121440.0> Precedence: bulk Didn't Len drop out some months back?? If he's back, he's certainly unusually quiet! And speaking of = quiet, I'll answer everyone's mail = after July 10th... am now down to = the wire on work for our show. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 15:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.103537.0> References: <<1998Jun20.215144.0>> Precedence: bulk Having a grinder head stick in the middle of a project is one of the most frustrating things to me. I have used the anti-seezes, wd-40, and you name without any success of getting that thing off. So this method seems to work well for me and I bypass all of the anxiety this problem can cause. I dump the water from the reservoir and then place it on the floor. I put my foot on top (take off the grid) and I put a pair of pliers over the bit and pull with all my might. This has proven to work everytime. The problem can also be that the grinder bit itself was not bore out enough for sliding up and down. I have called Glastar on several occasions and with their approval sent the grinder back to them for adjustments. It generally is the cost of shipping that you will pay. They are always curteous and very helpful. I hope this helps you. Molly Keys > Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to > be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't > remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware > store or if it was strictly stained glass related. > > Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. > > Thanks! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 17:29:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Cleaning Gold pens Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.133631.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I don't presently have one, but I recently used a gold pen with the little tiny bottle of gold that you write on glass with, then fire on. Well, I wasn't happy with what I did, so I just wiped off the glass with paint thinner. I was wondering what you clean the pens with. My retailer told me you're suppose to use something called "Essence", but they didn't have any, and they had the pens soaking in something else till they get some. I was wondering what is "Essence"? Also if anyone out there's done this sort of thing, what do you use to clean your pen? Can you use paint thinner or something like that? Thanks, Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 18:10:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Powers Crossroads Show Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun21.154932.0> Precedence: bulk I just wondered if any bungians were going to be at the big Powers Crossroads Arts and Crafts show in Newnan Ga. over Labor Day weekend. The Atlanta Art Glass Guild will be there, and I'm going just to see it. The president of the guild told me it's a really big show, so if any of you folks were there, I was going to stop and say hello. Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 21 18:33:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Scotland Bungi Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806220004.RAA29387@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >Manipulate the situation? >How do you see that? >If the sweet woman does get a new one, she has told me she wants me to fixed the broke one. >It is not my discision but hers. > >It has nothing to do with Karma. >It is with in the world of business. >The only Karma I see is that I might have the chance to help her out. >And she should be compensated for her loss and her loss of sleep. > >The fact being that I get a full shippment replacement was taught to me by many in the business world and again that's not Karma. > >The laws of Karma deal with when someone hurts someone! >This is dealing with goods not feelings or people. > >Cindy > > >>The fact that you are questioning the ethics = >> >>of your customer ending up with two windows >>for the price of one, tells me you already know >>the true and honest answer. Here is what I >>would do. Refer the customer to the original >>artist for repair or replacement. Or fix the window >>for the cost of the repair. Don't try to manipulate >>the situation to get something for nothing. Karma >>is karma. Somebody will end up paying the = >> >>price somewhere along the line. May sound real >>mystical, but really it's pretty down-to-earth. >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dani Greer >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 07:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:09:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.6916.0> References: <<1998Jun21.103537.0>> Precedence: bulk Molly Keys wrote: > > Having a grinder head stick in the middle of a project is one of the most > frustrating things to me. I have used the anti-seezes, wd-40, and you name > without any success of getting that thing off. So this method seems to work > well for me and I bypass all of the anxiety this problem can cause. I dump the > water from the reservoir and then place it on the floor. I put my foot on top > (take off the grid) and I put a pair of pliers over the bit and pull with all my > might. This has proven to work everytime. The problem can also be that the > grinder bit itself was not bore out enough for sliding up and down. I have > called Glastar on several occasions and with their approval sent the grinder > back to them for adjustments. It generally is the cost of shipping that you > will pay. They are always curteous and very helpful. > I hope this helps you. Molly Keys > > > Does anyone have any tricks for getting the grinder bit off when it seems to > > be rusted to the shaft? I read somewhere about something seize but can't > > remember what it was or whether it was something you could buy at a hardware > > store or if it was strictly stained glass related. > > > > Right how I'm "stuck" until I can get this head off. > > > > Thanks! > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass another idea you can try is to use a small gear puller. it grips on the bottom edge, and a center point pushes on the shaft. it should remove it part of the way. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 09:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: DEAN.MED.UFL.EDU!cmccall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Invisible Shield Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:30:10 EST5EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine Precedence: bulk I made some butterfly garden stakes over the weekend. The owner of our local stained glass supply shop says to use a product called Invisible Shield on them to better protect them for outside use. I live in North Central Florida where the heat and humidity are oppressive and the sun merciless. This product is $9.50 in her shop. I am wondering if this product can be found in other stores or if someone on this list recommends something else. I usually use finishing compound on my stained glass projects. But, she said that the Invisible Shield gives a polymer finish and is better. Would any product giving a polymer finish do the job?? What do the experts on Bungi say?? Thanks in advance, Candice ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 10:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What a nightmare! Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:17:59 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun22.141759.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-18 19:14:45 EDT, you write: << well, i've been in a lot of resorts, and lots of them are deserted during the week. your answer depends: do they sell enough on the weekends (i would include friday in a weekend in a resort) to sell enough of your stuff to make it worthwhile to you? if so, then would staying open 5-7 days sell more? without data, you can't make that decision. --- >> another thought is how is your own inventory minus what you have there? Would you be selling these stones on your own. Don't keep everything you have in inventory there, and maybe make some stones that would sell better at a resort, like patterns with shells and fish. We have beach resorts here in TX that really only get visited by tourists, your friend must know the times to be open or she wouldn't be wasting her own time and money in inventory. But then your other train of thought is if your not happy with the situation get out, no reason to let it get to you. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 10:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.8237.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980621035657.006e9f60@mail.bright.net>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk The head should be able to slide on the arbor fairly easily -but not so that it is a sloppy fit. You may have a burr on the arbor. the next time you remove the grinder head, and the new one doesn't fit, turn the motor on, (without the grinder head) and CAREFULLY hold a piece of wet/dry FINE sandpaper or emery cloth against the shaft. Don't press too hard, or try to take off too much. Turn the motor OFF, clean the arbor, and the head. Try to assemble. If still too tight, try the paper again. It is going to be strange, as most arbors have a flat spot, so it may be hard to hold the paper to the spinning shaft. If you can't get it to work with the motor on, you can just run the paper up and down the arbor. But try to not take metal off all in the same spot. Once you have a nice fit (the head shouldn't just 'fall on'), then you apply the anti-seize. If you have too sploppy a fit, the grinder head may spin 'out of round', which will make control of what you are doing a lot harder, if not impossible. glasschic wrote: > I have one grinder that must have the wrong size shaft, and makes it almost > impossible to move the grinding head up or down easily. I have slathered > that thing with vaseline before I put each new grinding head on, but still > have to get out the claw end of the hammer (after I have emptied the water > reservoir of course - didn't do that once and the resulting mess was > memorable!) and pry it up gently and sometimes not so gently! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 18:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Candice McCall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Invisible Shield Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.16635.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Candice McCall wrote: > > I made some butterfly garden stakes over the > weekend. The owner of our local stained glass > supply shop says to use a product called > Invisible Shield on them to better protect them > for outside use. I live in North Central Florida > where the heat and humidity are oppressive and > the sun merciless. This product is $9.50 in her > shop. I am wondering if this product can be found > in other stores or if someone on this list > recommends something else. I usually use > finishing compound on my stained glass projects. > But, she said that the Invisible Shield gives a > polymer finish and is better. Would any product > giving a polymer finish do the job?? > > What do the experts on Bungi say?? > > Thanks in advance, > Candice > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i can't imagine how much better that can be then nothing at all. the only invisible shield that i know is that liquid glove stuff. i guess it depends on what you want it to do for you... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 18:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cleaning Gold pens Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:08:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199806230010.BAA14908@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri, et al, Am not quite sure what your application is. My comment refers only to "language" Suggest you go back to the retailer and ask him (or her) Essence of WHAT?? Essence is - in a way- synnonymous with extract/concentrate (.... of something...). Wish I could help more.... :-< Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Jerri wrote: My retailer told me you're suppose to use something called "Essence", but they didn't have any, and they had the pens soaking in something else till they get some. I was wondering what is "Essence"? Also if anyone out there's done this sort of thing, what do you use to clean your pen? Can you use paint thinner or something like that? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 18:51:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Molly and Len Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:08:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199806230010.BAA14905@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I too did a double take when Len's name appeared..... I hold him in considerable respect and was not only delighted in thinking he is back, but also in reading his bio (some of which I knew before). Len? Are you really THERE?? Am on a "Stained Glass Downer" at the moment - can't get motivated ..., whatever I do.... Cure? Anyone? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: Didn't Len drop out some months back?? If he's back, he's certainly unusually quiet! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 20:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning again Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.11490.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Just read this and thought I would pass it on. Vitamins, iron intake affect lead levels (Reuters) - Low dietary intake of vitamin C and iron may increase lead levels in blood, and a low vitamin D intake can be linked to lead accumulation in bones, according to a new report. Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, believe these nutrients have separate "effects on distinctly different aspects of lead metabolism." For details, go to ... http://www.intelihealth.com/news?190433&r=EMIHC000 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 20:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Downer Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:19:48 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.21948.0> Precedence: bulk <<<<< Am on a "Stained Glass Downer" at the moment - can't get motivated ..., whatever I do.... Cure? Anyone?>>>>> When I get uninspired, I just put on some classical music and thumb through all my pattern books. Sooner or later something strikes me and I get back with it. But if you're just really not in the mood. Leave it for a while. Don't end up hating to even look at the stuff. Go for a walk, read a book. Get your mind off it till you feel creative again. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 22:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Downer Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:19:48 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.21948.0> Precedence: bulk <<<<< Am on a "Stained Glass Downer" at the moment - can't get motivated ..., whatever I do.... Cure? Anyone?>>>>> When I get uninspired, I just put on some classical music and thumb through all my pattern books. Sooner or later something strikes me and I get back with it. But if you're just really not in the mood. Leave it for a while. Don't end up hating to even look at the stuff. Go for a walk, read a book. Get your mind off it till you feel creative again. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 22:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cleaning Gold pens Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806230241.TAA29502@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Essence of Gold, Gold Essence is from what I understand to be is a thinner. Cermichrome lusters produces; Gold Essence, also Bright Gold. Duncan Lusters produces; Bright Gold, White Gold and Gold Essence. Hanovia Metallic Lusters also produce Gold Essence. There is a brush cleaner. Gold eraser. Gold Off. I use a liquid gold myself, and also Hanovia Luster Essence as a thinner. If you can not get exact advice from your dealer go to your pottery shop, they should handle all these products. A very good book to get would be Metallics and Lusters by Giese, I haven't had alot of time to play, but I've use my pen. One that doesn't need cleaning, very good for gold dots. I'd love to really get into my fine brush, but the price of gold has left me still waiting, chuckle, one doesn't want to waste...2gr.=$24.75 Smiles, Cindy PS The book I have mentioned is for glass and ceramics... Lusters and Metallics fire on glass at cone 022-016, maybe 1100'F to 1443'F > > >Jerri wrote: > My >retailer told me you're suppose to use something called "Essence", but >they didn't have any, and they had the pens soaking in something else >till they get some. > > I was wondering what is "Essence"? Also if anyone out there's >done this sort of thing, what do you use to clean your pen? Can you use >paint thinner or something like that? > > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 22:35:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Toby" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Molly and Len Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:56:45 -0000 Message-ID: <199806230254.WAA14991@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth wrote: > >Am on a "Stained Glass Downer" at the moment - can't get motivated >..., whatever I do.... >Cure? Anyone? Elisabeth, try this: Make something for yourself. Something you've always wanted to do but never had time. How about replacing some of those curtains that always need ironing with some S.G. My best, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 22:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Invisible Shield Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:09:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199806230409.AAA18833@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > I made some butterfly garden stakes over the > > weekend. The owner of our local stained glass > > supply shop says to use a product called > > Invisible Shield on them to better protect them Yes, I agree with Mike ... what's needed is nothing at all. Your local supplier is trying to sell you something unnecessary. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 23:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Len's Bio Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun22.184150.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry to get everybody's hopes up, but I posted Len's bio on Saturday because it was on my list to post. Am I going to suffer the "slings and arrows"? If so ... dock my pay. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 22 23:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Stained Glass Downer Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806230439.VAA10451@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > Hi Susan, Great ideas! What I find helpful is Nature... I live in it, but sometimes lose it. All I have to do is get out side and look around a feel what it is I see. Experiences of good things and bad infleunce (sp) us deeply. Bad doesn't have to be bad cos it can mean, sometimes a cross road to learning another road ahead, and if we learn from it can that be bad? Hope this helps, Elizabeth Smilin', snarcy, Cindarooni.... Suzy made me do it and thanks! >Great ideas from Susan: > When I get uninspired, I just put on some classical music and thumb through >all my pattern books. Sooner or later something strikes me and I get back with >it. But if you're just really not in the mood. Leave it for a while. Don't end >up hating to even look at the stuff. Go for a walk, read a book. Get your mind >off it till you feel creative again. > >Susan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 04:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Invisible Shield Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.21621.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Candice, Just read your request for an invisible shield.. I know as a pastel charcoal artist that many of our projects were sprayed with Kryon, a clear spray paint product.. This I believe it under $5.00 per can.. When I started Stain Glass I also used it on finished pieces, but I have not used it recently.. Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 05:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: Bungi Glass list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Brass came Date: Tue Jun 23 03:42:40 1998 Message-ID: <98Jun23.130309gmt+0100.19589-2@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Hi there, I am about to embark on my first project using brass came. Any pointers?? How do you cut it? How do you solder it? How do you make the joints look brass agian i.e. cover the lead solder up?? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 07:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <19980623115245.HEUE21757@LOCALNAME> Precedence: bulk I am forwarding this request for Prayers for Rain received from a good friend. Read or delete, but if you can add your Prayers to ours. Thanks Elsie in wet New Jersey >FOLKS, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, PRIMARILY >THE NORTHEAST COUNTIES, IS UNDER SIEGE FROM HUNDREDS OF FOREST FIRES, >MOST RUNNING OUT OF CONTROL. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RAIN (NOT A DROP) IN >ALMOST THREE MONTHS AND OUR FIRE FIGHTERS ARE EXHAUSTED. >CURRENTLY WE HAVE 47 FIRES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY ALONE. > >WE NEED ALL YOUR PRAYERS FOR A LOOOOONNNNG AND EXTENSIVE RAIN. > >LOCALLY HERE IN DAYTONA, I95 AND I4 ARE CLOSED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS DUE >TO HEAVY SMOKE. WE MUST GO WITHOUT HOUSE A/C MOST OF THE DAY BECAUSE IT >SENDS THE OUTSIDE SMOKE INSIDE THRU THE VENTS AND THIS >IN 95 - 102 HEAT EACH AND EVERY DAY FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS. THANK >GOD BY MOST LATE AFTERNOONS THE SEA BREEZES MANAGE TO COME ASHORE AND >ALLOW US TO TURN ON THE A/C FOR A FEW HOURS RESPITE. >WE HAVEN'T BEEN FORCED TO EVACUATE YET BUT WILLIAMSON BLVD. (OUR >EXIT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD) IS CLOSED BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH JUST >2 MILES NORTH AND US 40 FROM ORMOND BEACH AND US 92 (INTERNATIONAL >SPEEDWAY BLVD.) ARE BOTH CLOSED WEST OF I95. NOW A NEW FIRE HAS JUST >ERUPTED TO THE EAST IN HOLLY HILL (THE TOWN BETWEEN ORMOND BEACH AND >DAYTONA). JUST WHAT WE DON'T NEED IS SMOKE FROM THE EAST AS WELL. > >WE NEED ALL YOUR PRAYERS FOR AN EVEN LONGER RAIN. > >ALL THE LOCAL CHURCH BILLBOARDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO READ "PRAY FOR RAIN" > PLEASE, LETS GET AS MANY FOLKS PRAYING FOR RAIN FOR US AS POSSIBLE SO >FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO YOUR CONTACTS. IF THIS >MESSAGE REACHS OUR NATIVE AMERICANS, WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY >AND ALL RAIN DANCES. > >TO DICK G. AND BILL H. IN NY - LARGE PORTIONS OFNSB (WEST OF 95 >SO FAR) ARE BURNING ALSO. > >RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN >RAIN > >FRED AND EFFIE (COUGH COUGH COUGH) AND PLEASE NO PHONE CALLS >BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THE LINES OPEN TO ADVISE OUR FAMILIES SHOULD THE >EVACUTION ORDER COME. > >RAIN RAIN > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 07:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Second Hand Magazines - Anyone? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:58:38 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.35838.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Foks This is a off track request for any one willing to help me out. Here is Malaysia I have a hard time getting good Stained Glass reading material. I subscribe to Glass Patterns Quarterly. I have just joined the IGGA so I get the copy of Common Ground :Glass. I onece got a few copies of Stained Glass News. I found it to be very informative and helpful. But the folks at SGN do not accept individual subscriptions. Could some post me a copy of the new issues of Stained Glass News? I am willing to pay for the postage. If you let me know how much and I will send a check. I don't ask you to send it before you get the check. Please wait for the check and send the magazine after you receive payment. Anyone there? Also I am looking for old copies of Glass Craftsmen and Glass Patterns Quarterly. Any one out there who wants to sell ? Or any books. Honestly new ones are too costly for me. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 08:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Downer Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.3520.0> References: <<1998Jun23.21948.0>> Precedence: bulk I don't have a lot of time to look at websites, but I have a list of ones I want to get to, so if I don't know what project I want to start, I might take time to check out some websites. This almost always perks up my creative lull. Of course, looking at real glass inspires me even more, but I live in a rural area and don't get much chance. Fortunately, I have a glass buddy in another town, though not too far, and her skills and artistry are better than mine, so I find myself always inspired and challanged when we get together. It's great to have someone to discuss ideas and stuff with. Jerri ><<<<< Am on a "Stained Glass Downer" at the moment - can't get >motivated >..., whatever I do.... >Cure? Anyone?>>>>> > > > When I get uninspired, I just put on some classical music and thumb >through >all my pattern books. Sooner or later something strikes me and I get >back with >it. But if you're just really not in the mood. Leave it for a while. >Don't end >up hating to even look at the stuff. Go for a walk, read a book. Get >your mind >off it till you feel creative again. > >Susan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 08:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com, toby@northlights.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A Glass Downer Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:33:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.123328.0> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, (Little Ms. Homemaker) Sounds to me as if your batteries need charging before working with glass again. Why not take advantage of this time for taking a temporary vacation from glass. Give yourself permission and do something that is fun and not glass related for a bit of time. Then, why not follow Suzanne's advice and make something for yourself, like the window to replace the curtains that need ironing. BTW, I am sure they STILL need ironing, as you have probably never ironed them at all. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 08:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Lampworking questions! Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:01:24 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.14124.0> Precedence: bulk For those of you using a 2-fuel system, IE: o2 & propane, whats the cost to keep this system up? -Original setup (regulators, hoses and full tanks..) -refill/replacment costs? -on 20-30 hrs/week usage, how often do you refill? We use a single fuel, have purchased a Minor Burner, and NOW we want to know what the related costs are.....(!) Also, whats your favorite supplier for lampworking needs? Glass, tools, cool tidbits like metal leaf... And, lastly, please recommend an acid solution for etching. (Armour Etch does not give us desired results....) Thanks--I really appriciate those of you sharing your knowledge and expertise! -Mary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 10:42:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: How to get Bios 1 to 26? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:32:50 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.43250.0> Precedence: bulk Where can find the bios numbered 1 to 26 ? Are they archived anywhere? How can request for them? Thanks in advance, Pat, I know you are the one that going to answer my question. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 11:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Local suppliers in Mediterranean area? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:12:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.18122.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Frank, have you now found a local source (in Malta) for stained glass supplies? As we get so many requests from the world over looking for local suppliers I am slowly collating a list so I can point people in the right direction, and would appreciate input from your part of the world. Regards Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 11:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:52:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.165254.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-23 10:08:37 EDT, you write: << >FOLKS, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, PRIMARILY >THE NORTHEAST COUNTIES, IS UNDER SIEGE FROM HUNDREDS OF FOREST FIRES, >MOST RUNNING OUT OF CONTROL. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RAIN (NOT A DROP) IN >ALMOST THREE MONTHS AND OUR FIRE FIGHTERS ARE EXHAUSTED. >> I live in Jacksonville FL. The drought is pretty bad here. My grass, grapes, azaleas and fruit trees are dying in spite of our watering almost every day. For over a week the smoke from the local fires made everything hazy. For several days there was ash on our cars in the mornings. We got a small rain and a tornado a few days ago. >From today's newspaper: Duval fires contained, others rage on It was another day of battling wildfires, breathing smoke and trying to stay cool. With the fires in Duval County under control, officials prepared to send crews to neighboring counties to help fight blazes. But we still need more rain. Dianne Russell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 12:05:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: "Elsie Turqman" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:22:21 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.202221.0> References: <<19980623115245.HEUE21757@LOCALNAME>> Precedence: bulk Yes, Florida is in much need of rain. I live in the Ocala National Forest just off of St. Rd40 and we are having a lot of smoke and haze. You can hardly breathe outside. We look out our living room sliding door at the forest lining our lake and enjoy nature every day. Here lately I have thanked God every day to be able to enjoy this site. Yes, prayere are needed for rain and for those who have lost their homes , but most of all those fire fighters who put their lives on the line for all of us. Judy Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 14:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Adventures in Wholesale Land Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.122238.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Mary Cooper" >Good for you! I loved your very inspiring post! Sounds like a great time, with lots of orders on the way. How do you plan to handle the production? Do you have many employees/apprentices? Will you do another WS show? How did it compare to a retail art/craft show, overall? And lastly, because I'm not familiar, what is your product -your = speciality?< How to handle production? As I was taking orders I was mentally tallying up how long it was going to take me to fill the order. If the timeframe requested was outside of the timeframe I knew I would need, I mentally asked myself: 1.) Can I hire someone to help me do this order & still make the deadline? If "Yes", then take the order. If not then... 2.) Negotiate a new order deadline with the customer. If customer is unwilling to change the delivery date, then... 3.) Don't take the order. BTW, I never had to go past step 2. Every store owner understands the limitations of a small shop, as long as you are up-front with them at the time of order negotiation. Remember, an order is not just one-sided. You also have the right to negotiate points on the order, or to not take the order if you feel you cannot meet its obligations. It's better to walk away from a deal rather than to agree to it and then not be able to fulfill the order obligations. I know, as I've been on both sides of the order process. I've also been unable to fulfill an order in the past, and learned my lesson the hard way. Do I have any employees/apprentices? No employees. One person (Sparks, who is a fellow-bungian) who works with me on large projects and who has agreed to do some work on this project. She is hired as an "Outside Service", providing me with finished goods which I purchase. This way I avoid having an employee. Will I do another wholesale show? Yes! But not any more this year. I have two fine arts shows (one in August, one in November) to do, as well as meeting my commissions, and do not think it a good idea to over-extend myself. I've had four other wholesale shows contact me asking me to apply to their shows. I am considering a couple in January/February 1999. How did it compare to a retail arts/crafts show overall? Less stressful for me since I didn't have to have all the packing materials there in case of a sale. This was an order taking show. I did end up selling off a lot of my samples after the show was officially over, but this is nothing like trying to pack up a large free-form panel in the middle of a show with 20 people in and around your booth. Show management is also a lot more professional. Sales - better overall than the average= retail craft show. The buyers are better qualified. What is my product specialty? For my first wholesale show I limited my product line to those products which would fit into the store profiles for this type of show...Traditional Crafts (more towards the country/folk theme). So, my product line consisted of candle chimneys in a variety of sizes & colors, angel suncatchers, garden whimsies, mosaics (tables & birdbaths), and one lamp. Took orders or sold all, with the exception of a contemporary design candle chimney which I knew was not appropriate for this audience, but brought anyway to show that I did have another line of contemporary products. I didn't even bother to price that item. Only had one inquiry about it. Know who your audience is and what they expect, and you'll have a better chance of making a sale. Enough for now! Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 15:03:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Invisible Shield Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.122244.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Drag, Gloria J." >I know as a pastel charcoal artist that many of our projects were sprayed with Kryon, a clear spray paint product.. This I believe it under $5.00 per can.. When I started Stain Glass I also used it on finished pieces, but I have not used it recently.. < I also like using Kryon Clear for finishing off my mosaic 3-D pieces. Shines up the glass and fills in any scratches. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 15:04:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Brass came Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:22:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.122246.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" >How do you cut it? How do you solder it? How do you make the joints lo= ok brass = agian i.e. cover the lead solder up??< I cut mine with a Gryphon metal chop saw. I once did a repair job where I cut brass came by hand using lead nippers. I ran SCREAMING out to my local stained glass supplier for an electric chop saw. They cost big = $$ but are worth it! You solder it just like you solder any other came - at the joints. I use= a gold pen to paint over the joint. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 15:20:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Craft Malls Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:58:29 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.195829.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all: I am basically new to stained glass (under 2 years), and have recently become interested in the larger-type craft malls. Would anyone be willing to share their expierences (good and bad, of course!) in this type of market? I'd really appreciate the input! Thanks Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 15:46:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: jcampbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.132730.0> References: <<1998Jun23.202221.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Sarasota, just south of Tampa, on the west coast reporting in, so far no major fires here, but the smoke is apparent from those to the north and east. Heat index (feels like temps) in the 104-110 F range. I'm hiding in the A/C. Yes, Pray for rain, and all the forest creatures, including people who are in danger. We do need 2-4 inches to just settle the dust. I've never seen it so dry. Please, no one use fireworks on or near the 4th of July, unless you are out on the ocean. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations jcampbell wrote: > > Yes, Florida is in much need of rain. I live in the Ocala National Forest > just off of St. Rd40 and we are having a lot of smoke and haze. You can > hardly breathe outside. We look out our living room sliding door at the > forest lining our lake and enjoy nature every day. Here lately I have > thanked God every day to be able to enjoy this site. Yes, prayere are > needed for rain and for those who have lost their homes , but most of all > those fire fighters who put their lives on the line for all of us. > > Judy Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 17:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Second Hand Magazines - Anyone? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:42:05 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.22425.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shakeel - I don't get the Glass Patterns Quarterly but there is a supplier in the U.S. that offers various old issues going back to 1986. You can pick your own issues from their list for $5 each or order a package which contains the current issue along with 4 back issues of their choice for $12. Of course, shipping is extra. They are Hudson Glass Co. and as far as I can tell they have no internet access yet. Tomorrow I will fax you the list of issues they have along with an order form that gives their complete address and phone numbers. Hope this helps you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 17:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:42:14 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.224214.0> Precedence: bulk Ditto for South Florida. We have no fires yet, but everything is dying. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 17:40:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: No Mail Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:42:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.214220.0> Precedence: bulk This is a test, Haven't gotten any mail for 2 days and was wondering what happened!!! Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 17:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HELP - GRINDER HEAD STUCK Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:42:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.22429.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Don - I live in South Florida, so I know just what you mean about the rust (and mildew). Unfortunately, this grinder head got stuck while I was still living in Penna. so I have no excuse but I just kept on using it until now when I needed a smaller head. My "shop" just got moved into the house - it's been 95-105 for the past two weeks. I am now working in, believe it or not, a closet. Fixing to get the electrician in to put in outlets, lights and a vent fan and then putting up a 6' bathroom vanity counter top (exactly the right width for the closet) and I'll be all set. I thought it would be claustrophobic but I get so into what I'm doing I don't even notice I'm in the closet! I envy anyone with a real workshop. BTW, the grinder head is now unstuck and yes I used Liquid Wrench, as originally suggest by Mike. Thank you all for the suggestions. It just happened that I had Liquid Wrench in the garage, so I used it. It took two soakings and then I still had to wrestle it off. However, knowing myself as I do, I won't say it won't get stuck again. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 17:53:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Craft Malls Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:56:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun23.225652.0> Precedence: bulk I had a couple of glass friends rent booth space at a craft "mall". They made enough to pay for their space, but in the end they lost money due to shoplifting and breakage. The "mall" owners take no responsibility for those two situations. I have been contacted by 3 craft "malls" and have refused their "offer". I explained why I wouldn't participate in that "opportunity" and I was responded to in a rather negative manner. The bottom line is they want your product to pull in the customers and to line their own pockets without any regard to the risks and losses you will take. As much of a hassle as the craft shows are as far as setting up and tearing down, the risk is much less for losing your product due to breakage and theft. The craft shows in the spring and fall have kept me very busy with custom orders. Both of my friends regretted participating in the craft malls. They had to make regular trips to the mall to check on their inventory and to keep it organized. Hope this helps a little. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 18:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Brass came Date: Tue Jun 23 17:01:40 1998 Message-ID: <19980624000037Z14297-6204+677@mail2.one.net> Precedence: bulk mizzi i own a stained glass studio in cincinnati if you have a came saw, i recommend you use a corburendum (?spelling) blade, the regular blade will cut it, but it dulls it real quick--i found a gold paint pen to be the easiest and longest lasting way to cover the joints thanx debbie taylor ---------- > From: Mizzi Frank at MITTS > To: Bungi Glass list > Subject: Brass came > Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 11:42 PM > > Hi there, > > I am about to embark on my first project using brass came. > > Any pointers?? > > How do you cut it? How do you solder it? How do you make the joints look brass > agian i.e. cover the lead solder up?? > > Thanks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 19:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: source of enamel and glass paint Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun23.164534.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a source of inexpensive firable enamel and glass paint? For that matter, is it possible to make your own glass paint? Russ Hilleke hilleker@citadel.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 19:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Hunter Green Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:09:01 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.191.0> Precedence: bulk Just received this from Spectrum about their new hunter green glass: << Subj:=09 Spectrum Glass -- New Products Date:=096/23/98 7:51:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:=09artglass@SpectrumGlass.com To:=09artglass@SpectrumGlass.com Dear Friends: This has been one of the most prolific "New Product" years ever at Spect= rum Glass. Since January we've added THIRTEEN new items to our standard col= or line. The most recent are on their way to suppliers now: HUNTER GREENS Finally! Deep, rich designer greens that are simply not available anywhe= re else. Available in both Waterglass=AE and Wispy, these glasses are a fu= ll three shades darker and three steps bluer than our popular Emerald Green series, matching one of the most popular interior colors of our day and widening your choices for floral and landscape designs. Images are available at: http://www.spectrumglass.com/GlassDocs/82398s.html http://www.spectrumglass.com/GlassDocs/5238W.html >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 19:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: re:craft malls Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:17:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.111722.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't been in a craft mall, but my sister has. She barely made enough for rent. I am in some small consignment stores and one small retail store which is taking my pieces on consignment. I am doing okay. One of the stores is an artist co-op and I have to pay a $30. monthly fee plus work the store and a 25% consignment rate. I have made a decision not to go into anymore stores which I have to pay a monthly fee or have to work. Presently I am getting inventory ready for a fair this summer and one this fall. I am pretty nervous about getting enough stock. I have run into a barrier though. Seems that I need insurance. I have had three quotes. $475 a year, $375 for a one time event and $250 a year. Do any of you know of a company that is cheaper? Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 20:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: re; Craft Malls Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:11:55 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.21155.0> Precedence: bulk I have been in a craft mall for almost a year and have been disappointed in my sales. This month I'm taking my things out. I think people come to craft malls looking for "country cute" things, not quality stained glass art. I do much better at craft fairs. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 21:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!gbertolli From: "gustav bertolli" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:41:04 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.2414.0> Precedence: bulk Please add to list...thanx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 21:16:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Len's Bio/Patrick Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806240301.UAA09117@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Patrick, I can only thank you for your humor, on many occassions that you have sent me. Also I can only thank you for the special thing that you are doing for us! I can only thank you for all it is that you do. Your deepest friend, Smilin' snarcy, Cindarooni > >Sorry to get everybody's hopes up, but I posted Len's bio on Saturday >because it was on my list to post. > >Am I going to suffer the "slings and arrows"? If so ... dock my pay. > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 21:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:44:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: missing giraffe...SOS Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:39:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun23.163928.0> Precedence: bulk Lurker alert...I seemed to have lost the url for the picture of the wonderful giraffe that was done last fall (winter?). I'm designing a lamp for my new livingroom (just bought and moved into a townhose) and my mother (fellow lurker Oddjob, a/k/a Susan Reitmann) reminded me about the colors in the giraffe, however neither one of us kept the bookmark for the web page it was pictured on (she thought it might've been Daniel Germain's). Anyone still know where the giraffe is hiding in cyberspace??? Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 21:29:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: YWAH36A@prodigy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No Mail Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:45:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.14535.0> Precedence: bulk Just got your mail Bob the only one in two days.Maybe I got dropped from the list somehow or maybe something wrong from my servers end. Thanks for replying, Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 23 21:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Craft Malls Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:39:38 -0000 Message-ID: <199806240137.VAA24832@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Laura wrote: >I am basically new to stained glass (under 2 years), and have recently become >interested in the larger-type craft malls. Would anyone be willing to share >their expierences (good and bad, of course!) in this type of market? I'd >really appreciate the input! Hi Laura, I've had my stuff in a very small craft store here in Pennsylvania for about 3 years. It's by no stretch of the imagination a "craft mall." It's family-owned and usually a family member is there. There has been one breakage, which the owners made good, one nightlight shoplifted, which the owners also made good, and one missing item, which the owners found behind the lattice! They are honest people and do what they can to encourage sales. I have had a few good commissions from it. In the beginning I couldn't pay much attention to it and lost money more months than not; but starting this year I've made it a point to make a larger variety of inexpensive items, get there every two or three weeks and replenish inventory, straighten up, see what's going & what's not, etc. I've made a few extra dollars every month since then. Is it worth it? Financially, probably not, but I enjoy it, get the exposure, and have an outlet for my work. I put in one big panel and rotate that every few months so anybody interested knows I can do more than just candleholders, picture frames, mirrors and suncatchers. Hope this helps you with your decision. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 03:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: daver!one.net!kleeman@fuse.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Brass came Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.13050.0> References: <<19980624000037Z14297-6204+677@mail2.one.net>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk daver!one.net!kleeman@fuse.net wrote: > > mizzi > i own a stained glass studio in cincinnati > if you have a came saw, i recommend you use a corburendum (?spelling) > blade, the regular blade will cut it, but it dulls it real quick--i found a > gold paint pen to be the easiest and longest lasting way to cover the > joints > thanx > debbie taylor > > ---------- > > From: Mizzi Frank at MITTS > > To: Bungi Glass list > > Subject: Brass came > > Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 11:42 PM > > > > Hi there, > > > > I am about to embark on my first project using brass came. > > > > Any pointers?? > > > > How do you cut it? How do you solder it? How do you make the joints > look brass > > agian i.e. cover the lead solder up?? > > > > Thanks > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass What is the name of your studio in Cincinnati Debbie? Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 05:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Second Hand Magazines - Anyone? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:17:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.111734.0> Precedence: bulk Shakeel, I have a couple of extra copies of Stained Glass News that I can send you. I believe they are from this time period as well as the last one or maybe 2 time periods. Please don't worry about the postage, just enjoy them. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 05:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StevenS581 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:25:06 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.11256.0> Precedence: bulk please take me off the list ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 07:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Craft Malls Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.53147.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:HiimLaura@aol.com >I am basically new to stained glass (under 2 years), and have recently become interested in the larger-type craft malls. Would anyone be willing to sha= re their expierences (good and bad, of course!) in this type of market? I'd really appreciate the input!< My experience with craft malls has been 100% bad, sorry to say. In my area when you say the word "craft" (as in craft mall), the public thinks wooden or fabric country knickknacks. Not fine arts & crafts such as stained glass and hand-thrown pottery. Consequently, having stained glass in a craft mall around here (Pennsylvania) means it will be placed next to a booth selling fabric dolls or distressed primitive furniture, or the infamous crows-on-a-stick type of country craft. Invariably, this reduces the "sex appeal" of your glass, resulting in fewer sales and lower price points. There were several months when I didn't even make the booth rent. I ended up pulling out, and going instead with local art and craft galleries. Research your locations well. If the store features other crafts which will compliment your stained glass wares, then it's a good fit. If the store features primitives, folk, or country crafts, then stained glass items usually do not do well. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 08:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: insurance Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.53154.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cheryl: >I have run into a barrier though. Seems that I need insurance. I have had three quotes. $475 a year, $375 for a one time event and $250 a year. = Do any of you know of a company that is cheaper?< Have you tried contacting your home owners insurance company and getting extra coverage for these events? I got my store coverage through my home owners insurance company. It's for $350 a year. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 08:17:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Custom Bevels...Rick Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:58:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.55822.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Rick my name is Michael and I am from LSG Creations and we can take care of your custom bevel needs. There are some stock bevel clusters for initials available through different wholesalers and retailers but you will be limited to the one or two styles of type and the size which is usually on the smaller side. You have probably already looked there so custom may be your only route. For the most part, standard 1/2'' bevels on standard thickness glass would cost $1 per running inch. I am sure that you will find this price quite reasonable if you shop around. You can contact me by email at lsg@jerseycape.com or by telephone at 609-263-2043. Michael from LSG ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 09:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Test - no reply needed Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:57:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.165759.0> Precedence: bulk Recent messages I have sent have not surfaced at bungi, so I am sending this test mesage to see if it arrives safely. No need for anyone to reply - if it doesnt appear I shall know I have problems Elizabeth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 11:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Craft Malls Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806241718.KAA09320@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >Subject: Re: Craft Malls > >Hi Laura, >I do agree with Christie. >I haven't done a craft mall thing, but was asked to and felt it wouldn't be fun at all. (They wanted me there for 7 days! Yeeck.). In my opinion, alot people shopping in the mall have a tunnel vision on what they want to spend their money on. A show is different, cos you know people have come to see new and exciting things that catch their eyes. > >I have done a show where tables are $400.00 and up (to me I feel that's too much, but there are some alot more) And the topic heard was keeping the "knickknacks" (like soap making...sorry to offend) out of the arena of "real art" of paintings and scupltures and so on. > >The Canadain Federation of Artists shows are the same thing, and you know what people were there for... I like the wine and cheese,too! (table is free, and small commission) > >Once in awhile I think it would be "fun" just to do a little flea market or farmer's market in our area now and again. >But I would suggest looking into different "shows" to get out there (be known and be seen). >Smiles, Cindy > >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 12:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: flea markets Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:55:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.45511.0> References: <<199806241718.KAA09320@ns2.vphos.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > >Once in awhile I think it would be "fun" just to do a little flea market or > farmer's market in our area now and again. This has been my experience. Never Never Never do a flea market or a fair with a carnival. The public has come to get a bargain. Not pay for a fine craft!!!!!! Don't even do it thinking you can get rid of old stock. Have your own garage sale for that! Sorry Cindy, but we don't want to send any fellow bungians down that road. Good luck to you all this summer and I am praying that Florida gets rain!!!!! Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 15:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: flea markets (and other places to sell glass) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.13193.0> References: <<1998Jun24.45511.0>> Precedence: bulk I always figure that if there's a Tilt-a-Whirl, I don't want to try selling my glass there. Who is going to buy a piece of stained glass and get on a carnival ride? However, craft fairs along with "Taste of..."shows work just fine. Hmm, food and stained glass.... Although one of the best shows I did last year was a new one at a town festival. But I knew the town and knew that the festival would be sedate. (Octoberfest in W. Hartford, for those who know Connecticut) looking forward to it this fall. Thunderstorms forcast for Saturday, I want you to know.... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 15:56:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: flea markets Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:30:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.133028.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >This has been my experience. Never Never Never do a flea market or a fair with a carnival. The public has come to get a bargain. Not pay for a fine craft!!!!!! Don't even do it thinking you can get rid of old stock. Have your own garage sale for that! Sorry Cindy, but we don't want to send any fellow bungians down that road.< I must add my 'amen' to that, Shirley. Never, never reduce your stained glass to a flea market item. It really hurts not only your subsequent sales, but it hurts the rest of us glass artists. Stand up for your art and ask for what it is worth. In my store I never, ever have a sale. Never. I also do not bargain on the price. Of course, I am also prepared to have an item not sell for a year or two. But the right buyer is out there somewhere. No flea markets for me, ever. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 16:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: leestat7@home.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No Mail Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:31:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.223118.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lee, Thanks for the reply,I have had a couple of pieces of mail from bungi today still not many but at least I know it is working again what ever was wrong in the first place. I hope that you get that badly needed rain in Fla. It is so ironic, here we have had nothing but rain for the last few weeks. We've had 34inches so far in June normal for the entire month is about 20inches,and they are talking about more storms this weekend.We have been battling floods, just the opposite problems.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 18:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!KMunday From: KMunday To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The Big Book of Stained Glass Supplies Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:34:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.15345.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I have heard of this book many times, but can't find out any info about it on the internet. Where do you find this book? To have all of the glass supplies listed in one book sounds wonderful. I'm in Ontario, Canada, is this why I can't find it? Please help a novice (2.5 years experience and loving every moment). Also, I find bungi a GREAT big help, thank you all for your time and advice. Kim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 18:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pdq.net!wendyl From: "Wendy Larson PDQ" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: patterns for small lighthouses (3D) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1986 18:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1986Jun24.135313.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01B02B74.2E330660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for any patterns for easy (beginner level) 3D stained glass = lighthouses. My husband likes lighthouses and I thought this might be a = good way to use some of my scraps of glass from other projects. Any = suggestions ?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01B02B74.2E330660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking for any patterns for = easy (beginner=20 level) 3D stained glass lighthouses. My husband likes lighthouses and I = thought=20 this might be a good way to use some of my scraps of glass from other = projects.=20 Any suggestions ?
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01B02B74.2E330660-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 20:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!gbertolli From: "gustav bertolli" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Zinc Came Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:55:51 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun24.235551.0> Precedence: bulk Pictures of some zinc came in catalog look like it meant to be adjustable. ??????? Is that so?......When do you adjust? is it better for beginner. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 20:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Posted Bios Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:34:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun24.163448.0> Precedence: bulk I have recently been requested to send all of the bios to some of the new members. If anyone else wants these contact me off-line so as not to bog-down the list pkelly@n-link.com Warning ahead of time: For our friends that pay by the minute for the Internet it make take a few minutes to download. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 24 23:05:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: book on copper wheel engraving Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun24.10643.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a good book on copper wheel engraving? I am interested in making my own copper wheel engraver, so I also need some good pictures of an engraver (diagrams, of course, would be even better). Are there any companies that manufacture copper wheel engravers today? Thanks Russ Hilleke hilleker@citadel.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 06:35:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: book on copper wheel engraving Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199806251226.IAA08546@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know of a good book on copper wheel engraving? Russ, if you go to http://www.aiap.com/amazon/newest.htm you'll find "Point Engraving on Glass" (The Decorative Arts Library) by Laurence Whistler List: $19.95 ~ Our Price: $13.97 ~ You Save: $5.98 (30%) Publisher: Walker Books Binding: Hardcover Click on "More Books" at the foot of that page and look under "Blasting" (oddly enough), as well as in files amazon2.htm, amazon10.htm and amazon12.htm You can also look for more such titles by entering "glass engraving" and/or "engraved glass" in the search tool on the Guild's main page at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ There's a bunch of them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 06:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Big Book of Stained Glass Supplies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199806251226.IAA08541@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Hi, I have heard of this book many times, but can't find out any info > about it on the internet. Where do you find this book? To have all of > the glass supplies listed in one book sounds wonderful. Kim, I haven't heard of "The Big Book of Stained Glass Supplies," but the Guild not only publishes the "Sources Guide" to glass supplies once a year in the Spring ($10 + plus $3 postage from the address below), but also provides it free of charge online at the URL shown below. Enjoy! Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 07:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: raft.memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: patterns for small lighthouses (3D) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun25.4599.0> Precedence: bulk Wendy, I have a pattern I have drawn for the Hatteras Light house, about 8 = inches tall, flat glass but mounted vertically on a stand so it can sit = on a table. I haven't built it yet but I think it will work. If you or = any one else would like it I can send it in jpeg format (8-1/2 x 11). Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 09:35:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: missing giraffe...SOS Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <199806251504.LAA13997@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk I'm not sure if this is the right giraffe but Susan at CWWSLW@aol.com sent out copies of hers via private email. You might want to contact her. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! ---------- > From: Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann) > To: glass > Subject: missing giraffe...SOS > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:39 PM > > Lurker alert...I seemed to have lost the url for the picture > of the wonderful giraffe that was done last fall (winter?). > I'm designing a lamp for my new livingroom (just bought and > moved into a townhose) and my mother (fellow lurker Oddjob, > a/k/a Susan Reitmann) reminded me about the colors in the > giraffe, however neither one of us kept the bookmark for the > web page it was pictured on (she thought it might've been > Daniel Germain's). Anyone still know where the giraffe is > hiding in cyberspace??? Thanks! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 10:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:15:34 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun25.161534.0> Precedence: bulk Lee Boe said: > Yes, Pray for rain, and all the forest creatures, > including people who are in danger. No doubt about it, you folks are in serious need of a miracle. I have an idea what you're going through - I'm from the left coast and remember a couple of nasty fires in the hills above my college (out in the far eastern reaches of the LA basin). One of them turned the whole sky murky for over a week and "snowed" a half inch of fine ash all over our area (about 15 miles away and downhill, so no real danger of fire where we were, but downwind) until we got a good rain (which turned all the ash into the yuckiest mud imaginable, but we could all live with that!). I'm sending my good vibes to the "tropical disturbance" that's brewing off Yucatan, hoping it grows strong enough to pack a bunch of rain but *not* enough to turn into a hurricane, and that it heads straight for you guys, soaks you good, and puts out all the fires at once. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 15:47:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:32:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun25.21327.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_898810324_boundary Content-ID: <0_898810324@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_898810324_boundary Content-ID: <0_898810324@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DMR74@aol.com Return-path: To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:31:34 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit texas is not on fire but in almost as much need of rain, here's the bulletin it is trying to rain here, some cloud bursts and some good down fall, maybe will only last a few minutes but hopefully there is more to come. Come on all you Texans when we have had enough blow real hard in the easterly direction. (dad is in FL and always says that if it rains by us in SE TX they will get it soon too) deb --part0_898810324_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 16:08:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Big Book of Stained Glass Supplies Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:40:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun25.214023.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/25/98 8:55:03 AM Central Daylight Time, alewis@vgernet.net writes: << Hi, I have heard of this book many times, but can't find out any info > about it on the internet. >> I have a copy of the Big Book. I believe it costs around $5.00 and could be supplied by Hoy's a wholesale company located in Chicago. I purchased it from my local retailer. It is a great resource for glass and supplies but does not include any prices. I would give you more info. if I could find it (LOL). I think the Guild's web site would provide the same information, if not better. For anyone still interested in it you can e-mail me privately and I should be able to put my hands on it in the next day or so. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 18:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:08:03 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.083.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-25 18:50:54 EDT, DMR74@aol.com writes: << texas is not on fire but in almost as much need of rain, here's the bulletin it is trying to rain here, some cloud bursts and some good down fall, maybe will only last a few minutes but hopefully there is more to come. Come on all you Texans when we have had enough blow real hard in the easterly direction. (dad is in FL and always says that if it rains by us in SE TX they will get it soon too) deb >> It raining here in Jacksonville for a while but **so** little rain came down. I had put out buckets to catch some for my Venus Fly Trap, but 2 hours after it is still sprinkling but there is next to nothing in the buckets. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 18:48:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:52:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199806260054.BAA05884@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ayee, you poor things! I'll gladly send you some rain from UK. We have had plenty of it in this June!! Thinking of you! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Lee wrote: Yes, Pray for rain, and all the forest creatures, including people who are in danger. We do need 2-4 inches to just settle the dust. I've never seen it so dry. Please, no one use fireworks on or near the 4th of July, unless you are out on the ocean. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 19:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NON STAINED GLASS - just an apology Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:52:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199806260054.BAA05866@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Friends, I have lots of smiles from messages about my stained glass "downer". I will reply to all of them...... and Thank You.... But you know what they say - one bad thing follows another..... I owe many people a reply; want to "talk" to many individuals, who have become my friends. Please accept my apology that it won't be for the next few weeks...... Right now, I am packing my suitcase, checking my passport and booking a flight back to Sweden (with borrowed money!) I have to go back home to Sweden to bury my Mother who has just died. She and I never managed to make "peace". My older brother and I haven't spoken for 16 years (and THEN it was in Court!) He and I want to make a new beginning. The formalities, legalities of everything is quite daunting. I perhaps OUGHT to unsubscribe, but will just hope that my server can cope so that I will have the pleasure of catching up when I get back to UK end of July. Please accept my apologies - in the meantime - for causing you to wait for replies from me. . Toby will guard the home and have company in the meantime...... Thank you Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 19:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!jeanor_ak From: Jean To: PDRUSS@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun25.115010.0> Precedence: bulk What's happening with all these non-glass related messages? Bungi is a list for stained glass related discussions. I, too, am sorry about the fires in Florida, the landslides in California, tornadoes where ever, and all other natural (and un-natural) disasters, HOWEVER-- I really don't want to read about them on any list that is meant for a special topic. Would it be posible for these posts to be sent personally to those who are interested in such topics? Thx. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 20:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Susan Reitmann To: KMunday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Big Book of Stained Glass Supplies Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun25.155845.0> References: <<1998Jun24.15345.0>> Precedence: bulk KMunday wrote: > Hi, I have heard of this book many times, but can't find out any info > about it on the internet. Where do you find this book? My Copy says: 1997 Creative Craftsman Co., Naperville, IL 60537As luck would have it I am making a trip to my supplier this coming Sat. and wouls be happy to pick up a copy for you and snail-mail it to you. If I recall, I think I paid aprox. $5.00 (U.S.)for it. Sue Reitmann (oddjob@scc.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 20:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: fairie illustrations Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:10:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.21046.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all, and thanks to all those who replied to my last message... Now for my quesiton: I am in search of a quality web site for fairy illustrations - I am especially looking for nouveau-type drawings and/or artwork from very early children's books ~anyone? Thanks to all Laura P.S. What is the difference between a fairy, fairie, sprite, brownie...?!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 20:45:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Custom Bevel Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:17:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun25.161715.0> Precedence: bulk Rick,if you have wholesale status a place called Big M stained glass supply was carrying already made letter bevel clusters..I dont know if they still have them tho but thier number is 1-800-426-8307 The letters were like 6"x6" if I remember right... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lasita To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 12:38 AM Subject: Custom Bevel >Need some help here. I have a potential client who wants a beveled >sidelight and transom done. They would like to have the first inital of >their last name above the door. The letter is a "P". anyone do, or kno >who to contact, to get a price on this? I'm figuring the letter to be >about 7 to 9" tall and perhaps 4" wide. > >Thanks, >Rick >http://home.fuse.net/crafts >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 25 21:57:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: jeanor_ak@yahoo.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:42:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.3428.0> Precedence: bulk WARNING...WARNING... I'm HOT. Thats what your delete button is for. If you notice, it plainly states " RE: NOT GLASS - FLORIDA ON FIRE". If you're not interested, delete away. Bungi people, however, are just that. PEOPLE. We have gotten to know each other, and by golly, I have gotten attached to a few of them. I like knowing their concerns. Even if the only way I can help is by offering my prayers, then I'll do it. These people have given me a lot of good advice and I'd like to know I can return the favor, in any way. Susan (who rarely gets steamed about anything) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 03:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New "cool" site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199806261049.GAA05539@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk A new "cool" site was just added at the top of the Guild's home page. Maybe it's just pride on my part that I made it the current "cool" site, since I designed it. Anyway, take a look at http://www.diacca.com/ Pat Topp does some really nice work! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 05:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.25114.0> Organization: Home Precedence: bulk I've been on other lists where the health and life of other people on the list have been discussed. This fire is a national disaster, not only to the people who live there, but to everyone. To know there are people on Bungi who are in harm's way is informative and gives us more knowledge about the people we see post. Sorry, but I see no harm in these postings. I would rather know what is going on in the world with people on Bungi than stick my head in the sand and just keep asking glass questions without regard for them or their feelings. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 05:56:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: CityNet.Net!ZorPrime From: Zor Prime To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mountain State Art & Craft Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:10:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.31037.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians, Are any of you going to, or going to be in, the Mountain State Art & Craft Fair at Cedar Lakes this year? This is located just outside Riply, WV. I believe the dates are July1-5. There was one stained glass artist there last year, with beautiful work. And another with hot glass items, very nice jewerly and slumped work. Just curious, as I am attendind on the 5th. It would be great to run into someone from Bungi. Have a fun 4th of July, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 07:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lakeland Seminar Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.51325.0> References: <<199806261049.GAA05539@vger.vgernet.net>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, Should have posted this earlier in the week-I'm going to the glass fusing seminar in Lakeland , Florida Today and tomorrow. Is anyone else on bungi going to be there? Leaving in an hour, may see whoever up there. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 07:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Weather and natural disasters, not glass Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199806261324.GAA07366@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk So terribly sad to hear of the fires in Florida and natural disasters in the USA. It's very hard to watch people's lives distroyed on tv. My heart to goes out to all. Just this past winter Eastern Canada had horrid ice storms, that knock down power for many. Huge lines of hydro power were down for 8 weeks or more. Many American hydro linesmen came to the aid to help and worked around the clock to restore power to freezing Canadains. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 08:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fla Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.2853.0> Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Well...This has been going on Bungi for a looooong time..I see nothing wrong is her Message about Fla.. If you don't want to read the message delete it...Bungi has a lot of subjects on not associated with glass Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 08:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: To: jeanor_ak@yahoo.com, glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:07:59 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.14759.0> Precedence: bulk Excuse me....but there are some of us Bungians who want to know when our fellow Bungians are in need of Spiritual Support. It plainly says "re: not glass ....FLORIDA ON FIRE".......if I am not mistaken, we all have a delete key that can be used. Kathy (Kath8284@AOL.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 10:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: i2020.net!wickline From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wisconsin info Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.8126.0> Organization: Personal Precedence: bulk I've been lurking around for a while and finally decided to become active. My family and I are driving from Va. to Wisc. next week and I wonder if anyone knows of glass sites, neat stuff to see while we are traveling. We will be gone about two weeks and have an open agenda after we return a Coast Guard daughter to her boat. Thanks- Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 12:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3FA8E3E6DF63B38D44028B30" Subject: Re: Cool Site-web design Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:54:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.35440.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FA8E3E6DF63B38D44028B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All! Albert thanks for sharing that site. I agree with you she does do some great work and your site design was fabulous and cool. I would probably say most of us have to be our own "Web masters" and that's a task that can become very hard to do at times. So it's nice when you share what you have created for someone on the net, yes I was looking more at the site design than at Pat's work, sorry Pat! It was the web master in me that took over. I don't think I'm alone in wanting to view some other sites that you have created. This is, I'm sure, of interest to the novice "web masters" (I for one included there) who have to "work on site design". Which I might add is an integral part of your business success or failure rate here on the net. So Albert here is your Friday challenge, ready, send us novice web masters just a couple of your site designs. Please! P.S. I'm still holding you to that game of trivial pursuit, hehe! As an added note: I am deeply concerned with all issues that concern the gracious people here at bungi. I would gladly help someone out who was living a nightmare due to a tragic event. Could be weather related or related in some other way. I have prayed for a resolve in the Florida issue and feel terrible about Elisabeth's mother passing away. I felt so bad when she was down that I sent her an e-mail cheer up card, of which she appreciated and even made her smile a bit. I have personally received an enormous amount of support from this group in the short time I have been involved. And even if some issue's do not pertain to me they are still a vital element that allows the group participants the growth they need as individuals and professionals, glass related or not. It's a sad day when you close your mind to the possibility of learning. Have a great weekend, and take time to relax a little bit or learn something new! Pam Albert Lewis wrote: A new "cool" site was just added at the top of the Guild's home page. --------------3FA8E3E6DF63B38D44028B30 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3FA8E3E6DF63B38D44028B30-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 12:38:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: Kath8284@aol.com, jeanor_ak@yahoo.com, glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 13:57:17 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.205717.0> References: <<1998Jun26.14759.0>> Precedence: bulk It's good to see that some people still care about others and take time to let them know. This is one Floridian, and I'm sure I speak for the others here in Florida, that appreciated the thoughts and prayers of all our friends on the list. Thanks for caring. Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 12:41:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Arkansas info too! Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:18:50 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun26.181850.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone I'm taking the wife and kids, to our folks place in Hot Springs, Arkansas next week. If anyone knows of glass places to visit I sure would appreciate it. We live in the Florida panhandle and will be driving thru Mobile, AL, Hatisburg and Jackson, MS, then thru northern LA and finally to Arkansas. Thanks Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 14:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cool Site-web design Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:35:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199806262139.RAA02579@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Albert thanks for sharing that site. I agree with you she does do some > great work and your site design was fabulous and cool. I would probably > say most of us have to be our own "Web masters" and that's a task that > can become very hard to do at times. Thanks, Pam, for the compliments. I was kinda pleased with it, too, although it's still very much in process (order forms and things have yet to be created). But I just wanted to show off my own way of presenting Pat's really rather fabulous work. By the way, for those of you who are too busy producing work to really do justice to a serious web site, that's how I support myself (hint, hint) and I give deep discounts to glass artists, craftspeople and such. Other stuff I've done? Sure: Best of the Berkshires (currently being built) http://www.berkshiresbest.com/ Reading Comprehension Analysis http://www.tasa.com/ Stained Glass Restoration http://www.cummingsstudio.com/ Soprano with major operas http://www.aiap.com/cummings/ Architectural Art Glass Light Show alldesigncom.com/light/ Enjoy! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 14:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: David Cogen Subject: Donut (UK TV license) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.214918.0> References: <<199806171847.OAA08844@ll.mit.edu>> Precedence: bulk In message <199806171847.OAA08844@ll.mit.edu>, David Cogen writes > Doughnut or Donut If the central hole is small, grinding may make sense. If the central hole is more than 5cm, then I'd think the grinder is both slow and inaccurate. Here is what can be done, if the central hole is 2inches or more and perimeter circle 6inches in diameter (2" dia hole in a 6" circle) Set the circle cutter to a little less than the small diameter first. fix it to the glass with enough space for the major circle. make the smallest score. then while leaving the circle cutter fixed to the glass, make the adjustment for the inner hole. make the second score. then while leaving the circle cutter fixed to the glass, make the adjustment for the outer circle. remove the cutter. then make criss-crosses from side to side within the smallest circle. tap gently around the inner circle to run the score first. then tap the cirss-crosses until you can get a piece or pieces out. then use pliers to break out the remainder. You are now left with a thin ring. use the pliers carefully to get this ring out. You are now left with the circle scored in a relatively "big" piece of glass. use the usual method of breaking out a circle from a sheet of glass. I.e. run the score around the circle, make relieving cuts at right angles from the circle score to the edge of the glass in at least 4 places. (I choose the narrowest, others choose the "thickest/broadest" places between the score and the edge of the sheet.) Carefully tap the relieving score, so it doesn't go across the circle score. Break the unwanted bits off the circle. Remember the circle will be very weak with a hole in the center, so it will have to be treated more carefully in the cutting and breaking phases. It will also always be very weak in use. If you can, use thicker than 3mm glass for extra strength. TV licenses (just to keep two unrelated topics going) >> The interesting part is that they make it hard to 'cheat'. From what I hear >from >> the UK people that work(ed) for me, there are 'enforcers' that ride around in >a > >I wonder what they'll do once the Internet is fast enough to transmit realtime >video, and much of our "television programming" comes via the Internet. This >will happen; it's only a matter of time. > >Or do they already tax that in England? > Well, I pay a TV license gladly. It gives me good (normally) programmes without the interruptions for adverts. I'd rather pay the small sum of money (a few cents a day) than have to suffer the adverts. An example of the damage reliance on advertising can and has done to television is TV in the USA. I tried to watch the last Olympic games on US TV, but found there were more adverts at inappropriate times than there were live sporting competitions. Yes, there will still be a TV license to be paid, even when all the programming is delivered through cable or satelite. That money pays for a public service broadcasting organisation and programming that is among, if not, THE best TV in the world. I'm PROUD to pay my TV license! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country (USA) where there seems to little public or community spirit, of which the antipathy to tax of any sort is almost wholly irrational! Well that's my rant! I guess I'll get some flames! so what, it's off my chest (and onto yours, I guess). Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 16:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: Kath8284@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.1148.0> References: <<1998Jun26.14759.0>> Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Very well put....Thanks Walter Kath8284@aol.com wrote: > Excuse me....but there are some of us Bungians who want to know when our > fellow Bungians are in need of Spiritual Support. It plainly says "re: not > glass ....FLORIDA ON FIRE".......if I am not mistaken, we all have a delete > key that can be used. > > Kathy > (Kath8284@AOL.com) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 20:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: Cool Site-web design Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:04:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199806270308.XAA17405@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Architectural Art Glass Light Show alldesigncom.com/light/ Oops! That should have been http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/index.html Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 26 23:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F12AC7AE238F4B33B2173F0C" Subject: Nothing to do with glass-Master engraver Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun26.15928.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F12AC7AE238F4B33B2173F0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy all, Thought I would share this with you if you have never heard of Giancarlo and Stefano Pedretti. Speciality is engraved English and Italian guns. Guess I better pick my husband up off the floor after this one. Have this feeling he wants to take a trip and soon! http://www.pedretti.com/index.html See ya and enjoy Pam --------------F12AC7AE238F4B33B2173F0C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------F12AC7AE238F4B33B2173F0C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 06:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 05:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!don From: Don McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not glass - FLORIDA ON FIRE Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.22623.0> References: <<1998Jun26.25114.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm sure the fire in Florida, or the hurricane that may hit Louisiana, or the earthquake that may hit California will interfere with Bungian's ability to create beautiful glass works. That makes it glass related. Therefore, when a natural disaster or civil unrest hits the area you live in and begins to destroy everything in your life, even if you forget mention it by name, I will assume that your glass craft is also affected and I will listen, and I will pray for you, and I will respond to your requests in any way that I can. Just like when rust invades your grinder head, the cold prevents the adhesive from sticking or any of the other thousands of little things that come along to annoy or slow us up, major disasters keep you from functioning, and that is another tool we all use in our shops. The "you" tool. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 13:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Help at another site Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.53610.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk There is a request for help at Art Glass World. http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/message/400.html It is from a maintance guy for a 60-65 year old church. The church is putting up lexan. They are cutting it to fit the windows and securing it in poor morter/brick with tapcons. I know nothing about this subject, but from previous posts, know some of you have rather strong feelings about lexan. Don't know what kind of hot water you could be getting into, but if any of you would like to anwser his questions. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 16:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NON-GLASS: right track.....needs fine tuning! Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:10:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.8104.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, The post that started with "Non-glass" worked real good for those of us who wish to delete them with out deep perusal. It would be EFFECTIVE if we ALL started in the subject area the non related posts with: NON-GLASS: (put topic here) Those of us who wish to commiserate, comment, and so forth will be able to, those of us who ALSO CARE deeply, but wish not to read the post can do as they see fit with. If we stay consistent, it will work! enjoy, and who has a glass question? weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 16:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Custom bevels Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:07:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.14730.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk I'm looking for Michael Minchelli.....Michael, did you get my last email? Needed verification of prices and turnaround time on bevels. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 16:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Decorative Soldering Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:47:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun27.224752.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to learn how to do decorative soldering. Is there a book that anyone would recommend for this purpose and is it possible to learn from a book without seeing it done. I'm proficient at regular soldering. Advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 17:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: copperfoil Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:30:30 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun27.233030.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all, I was just wondering, is copperfoil work water-proof? Does stained glass ALWAYS need some sort of barrier between it and the elements? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 17:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help at another site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:53:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199806272359.TAA23694@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > There is a request for help at Art Glass World. > http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/message/400.html > It is from a maintance guy for a 60-65 year old church. The church is > putting up lexan. That message has already been deleted apparently. I got a 404 Not Found message. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 18:04:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #30 Shakeel Abedi Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.14733.0> Precedence: bulk I was born in Gulbarga, a dusty little town in the southern part of India, about a day's journey from Bombay. I came to Singapore when I was 19 about 12 years ago, and for the past 6 years have worked in Malaysia. It was fate that brought me and stained glass together. One warm afternoon I was window shopping in Kuala Lumpur about four years ago when I saw a Tiffany style window, it was a real beauty and I entered the shop. The price tag of Malaysian Ringgit 23,000.00 (approx. US$4,500.00) was certainly beyond my reach. I looked around and saw some beautiful panel lamps and all were beyond my budget. I was at a friend's house that very night when I spotted a book published by Reader's Digest called "Hobbies & Crafts" it had a chapter on stained glass by Jennie French. I read it and borrowed the book. ( which incidentally is still in borrowed state). Not having seen any of the tools and materials used before I had no idea what a copper foil looked like or how the colored glass looked. I tried to locate any suppliers of stained glass and found there were none in Malaysia. I went back to the shop, asked them if they would sell me some supplies, they refused me completely, they would not even let take a tour of their workshop. I tried to buy some copper sheet from the hardware store and not knowing that the thickness of foil is 1 or 1.5 mm, I tried in vain to surround the piece of window glass with the strips of 25mm copper sheet. Don't laugh, remember I knew nothing whatsoever. At last when I got to the Internet I found some suppliers, the first was Delphi, I got their catalog. I got some copper foil and some tools. Buying glass from U.S. by mail order was too expensive. I bought some books, and made myself some panel lamps from window glass. About the same time I discovered a stained glass supplier in Singapore, he supplies me glass now. My first project was the panel lamp from the book. Then I tried a window. The OLD MAN WINTER from Glass Patterns Quarterly, I had to redo that whole window four times before I got it right. Mike's web site was a great help. It is about two years now that have been working with stained glass, plus the one year with window glass. I have at least 15 shades made in window glass. Some I have done I have overlayed and patinaed in cooper, They look good. Most of my projects were taken from GPQ. So far I have sold 6 lampshades and 3 windows. I am now attempting my first Tiffany style lamp. Just received the Worden daffodil form and pattern and have cut some of the glass. So wish me luck. I have a small studio at the back of my home, have most of the hand tools and a grinder and a Taurus II ring saw. I do most of my work over the weekend and my wife has also taken a liking to it, she helps me around during the week days. My next addition is going to be a kiln. I am completely and totally in love with Stained Glass. It has become a part of my life. I am so much into it that I have been even thinking about taking up a post in the IGGA. Because IGGA and Bungi is they only source of information and learning for me. And joining the inner group of the IGGA will bring me deeper into the world of Stained Glass. I have done only one window in lead, all my work has been in copper foil. I am open to any suggestions, help and advise I can get. And I have got a lot of that from the Bungarians. Thanks folks. Last week I visited the shop in Kuala Lumpur and presented Mr Bala (owner) with a small panel and thanked him for not helping me. For a guy who thought he could use 25 mm copper sheet for foil three years ago I haven't done too bad, have I? Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 18:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 32 Melanie Dunstan (from OZ) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:42:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.144250.0> Precedence: bulk Melanie Dunstan Mother of four (ages 18 months to 10 years), active on primary school councils and running two businesses from home does=92t leave a lot of spa= re time - or so you might think. But somehow I manage to squash in watching the latest new crafts world-wide (to add to my product line, which is unusual crafts supplies) read 8-10 books a week, answer on average 300 emails a day and find small corners to actively pursue 60-odd different crafts, besides newsletter production and editing - and dispensing market= ing and public relations advice to callers round Australia and emails from ro= und the world. Where does I find time for all of this? I don=92t do my own housework and I don=92t watch TV - but I put in just as many hours as the average mother of four young children - 24 a day... A few years ago, I realised I was still saying =91when I grow up I=92ll d= o this=92 - not recognising that this big event had already arrived. So I took stock and asked myself what I wanted to really do when I grew up and here I am! The beauty for me of living this way is that I=92m able to do things that interest me - without having to think =91oh, it=92s time to head off to the office now,=92 or =91it=92s time I was asleep=92. I can=92t remember a time when I didn=92t have craft materials (or a book= !) in my hands. I started knitting at age 4 and haven't stopped crafting since. I'm a concurrent generalist, that means that I have a lot of fun doing lo= ts of different crafts all at the same time, and as soon as I learn a new craft, I pass it on to others in the same way it was taught to me. I like doing things on a project basis, since it=92s wonderful to start somethin= g new. Consequently I have UFO's - UnFinished Objects - in many many different craft techniques and media. I joke to people that we don=92t live in a ho= use but a warehouse with beds in, since there are boxes of craft goods everywhere you look. And I have an understanding husband. He's even buil= t me a studio to store all of my stuff, so we can have our house back. I'm = in the process of designing some leaded and fused panels for the skylights... bliss. Actually the 'warehouse' aspect of my home got worse when I turned 40 and started a craft supplies business, mail order from home. It's a lot of fu= n, but hard yakka (work) and slower to become profitable than I=92d like. Most of my working life - prior to having children that is - I=92ve been involved in various forms of marketing, advertising, public relations, newspaper and newsletter production, together with sales support. This ha= s been in a variety of situations - both with goods and people for example computers, insurance, local news, executive recruitment and staff trainin= g. After the first two children arrived, I spent a number of years designing, writing and assisting in the publication of software training manuals, public relations and other advertising and marketing material for my husband Brian=92s computer software products, for use by General Practitioners in the National Health Service in the UK. As a co-director of Brian=92s company I do the same for his products designed = for the Aboriginal Community Care applications in Australia, in addition to h= igh levels of involvement in other newsletters and magazines, marketing consultancy work and of course my own craft supplies business. I'm not very knowledgeable regarding computer technology, although I've helped sell computers for many years, working in marketing and related ro= les in medium to large computer companies as far back as 1977, when by contra= st with today's technology, a computer with less power than your desktop sys= tem totally filled a specially air-conditioned room fitted with false floorin= g and the latest state of the art dot matrix printer. However I still have the 'convenient' blind spot about technology, which meant that Brian (aka 'the ogre' - which is VERY useful when I can't say = no to those persuasive telephone sales people that ring you up out of the bl= ue to get you to buy three dozen pale blue whatchacallits for $39.95) well p= oor Brian had to push and shove me to get me to sign on for my five free hour= s of Internet. After which I was hooked, of course, and now my mailbox regularly has between 150 and 500 posts per day from all the lists I'm interested in! It really IS an addiction, but it's such fun talking to people who have something in common right from the word 'go'! I had a giggle recently when I realised that I spend the majority of the hours that most people around me would use for sleeping, conversing with 3000 plus 'invisible friends'... I actually found one of my fairly recent and best-loved crafts on the Internet, though the bungi list - glass fusing. I was first introduced to leaded glass panels at a community course in Baldock, in the UK seven years ago and fell in love with the textures, surfaces and versatility of effects possible using glass, heat and metal. After my return to Australi= a in 1993, this quite naturally progressed to kiln-fired glass painting, no= t only flat pieces for stained glass work but also of utilitarian items suc= h as glasses and vases. I had a lot of fun experimenting, yet felt limited due to insufficient abilities with a paintbrush - it would be years before I could get the effects I dreamed o= f. I still practice towards that aim, and teach classes for others in the meantime. Then I joined the bungi glass list, and the world changed overnight. Inside a week I knew more about the restoration of glass than I had ever dreamed possible. This was followed up by some discussions of kilns and suddenly out of the blue I was contacted by Harald from HiGlass, another bungi member, who manufactures glass only two suburbs away. I went along = for a course and was absolutely fascinated - and in love with glass all over again. Using a mixture of slumping, fusing and painting, the most amazing effects may be achieved - and I=92m still a raw beginner! Other than a va= gue notion that some types of glass were floated on baths of molten metal, I = had very little idea of the processes and requirements involved in the manufacture of even the simplest form of glass. On a personal note, we have 4 kids and they are all characters. David, 10= , is special needs, he has epilepsy and has had some long fits which means = he now has the mental age of about a 4 year old. David loves TV above all el= se, and would spend all day and all night watching the same video again and again if we would let him. Rachel is 9 and pretty as a mother could wish = and very clever. She has excellent (but extremely irritating!) negotiating skills, practising to become a lawyer later in life. She is very good wit= h the 'littles'. These are Daniel, age 4 and Rebekah, age 2 (yes, we have R2D2!! Brian loves Star Wars but I got to choose the names!) Daniel is a mischievous bundle who loves packing craft products for sale. Frequently found covered in glitter, glue and sequins, he has a very strong sense of family loyalty and loves us to all be together. Needless to say this caus= es upsets when the bigs have to go to school, especially if Rachel goes to p= lay with a friend afterwards... Rebekah is Mother=92s little helper. Even whe= n she was only just one year old, she often set the table (which was just above her head height) with the plates and cups for the children=92s dinner, go= t a damp cloth and wiped the chairs free of debris, and then got her toy vacu= um and proceeded to =91clean=92 the floor. She has a very strong personality= and is not going to take any rubbish from anyone. She has a rather loud voice, too - surely destined to become a singer later in life - so she often get= s her way just to keep the peace.... When Brian turned 40, three years ago, he got into racing motorbikes; he = has a trail bike, a road bike and a half share in a racing bike, plus THREE crash helmets - and how many heads? Yes, I *do* know that I will never understand these things... Also he began scuba diving, both of which pastimes scare me silly (OK, I'm timid about scary things. I can't even watch Bambi because of the violence.) Brian is a serial generalist; he ha= s done a lot of things amazingly well; but once they get easy, or he's done the best he ever could, he's off to the next challenge. In the past he's been selected for a world-wide team of trouble-shooters for computer hardware problems (they only get the problems nobody else can fix) and qualified as a light-plane pilot. He also wrote some computer software in a new language for him (called BOS) for the medical field, wh= ere he'd never worked before, for a Government requirement (never having deal= t with THOSE before, either) and got his software finished first, tested fi= rst and accepted first (now installed in over 1000 sites) ahead of the large companies who *were* leaders in their field before he came on the scene. = As you can see, I=92m very proud to be his wife. What else... we have 2 cats, live in a large house, which I've filled to capacity due to my innate ability to fill every space plus 10% within 3 years of inhabiting it... I'm the fund-raising co-ordinator and the committee secretary for David's school, and in my spare time I read science fantasy/fiction novels (many of which are reaching the point of spontaneous overflow from the 4 massive bookcases in the family room, and= I write short stories, plays and poems, plus dabble in marketing and public relations work, sing (Kate Bush type soprano, although coarsened by some years of screeching at recalcitrant children!!), teach craft classes, sea= rch the globe on a regular basis for new and different crafts to add to my product lines, and of course spend HOURS doing different types of crafts, which is my first love (apart from the ogre and the offspring). There are very few crafts I haven't tried, and one of my other current favourites is Encaustic Art; using a small iron to melt coloured wax to make pictures - some even use glass as a support medium. It's lots of fun. Other things I really enjoy are cake decorating, particularly making sugar flowers - and I like to aim for realism wherever I can; it's very relaxing, and designing patterns on the computer (I use CorelDraw). As you can see, I lead a full life. (sometimes I even have time to do the washing! But I send my ironing out.) But I don't really want to waste time. Having David has taught me that every second is precious. Las= t year I went to a business seminar and the presenter held his finger up in the air and said 'tick, tick, tick, tick. Hear the seconds going by? That= =92s your life. Remember - this is NOT a rehearsal.' It got to me. end. There you go mate. More than enough, eh! Catcha -- Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 19:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass bungi line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #30 Shakeel Abedi Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1998Jun27.14733.0>> Precedence: bulk Quite an impressive bio!!! It proves there's nothing a person cannot do or learn in this world....just stick with it and don't give up. I, for one, am very impressed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 19:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980627211951.006aafe0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Jun27.224752.0>> Precedence: bulk I have the book "Solder Magic Book" by Kay Bain Weiner, got it at my local glass store (they ordered it for me). Helped me a lot. I put several strips of foil on a piece of plain window glass to practice. I found that 63/37 solder worked the very best and adjusted the temp on the thermostat often til I found the best combination for decorative work. At first I did not have a special tip on my iron for decorative work and found that tipping the iron so that I used only the very outside tip of the iron tip (screwdriver tip) worked very well. After getting better at the different techniques outlined in the book I invested in a decorative soldering tip for my iron. After spending the money I found that I could do just as good a job with the "practice method" I used with my standard tip. I am sure that you will enjoy all the new and interesting techniques used in decorative solder.... I love doing it !! Barbara At 06:47 PM 6/27/98 EDT, you wrote: >I would like to learn how to do decorative soldering. Is there a book that >anyone would recommend for this purpose and is it possible to learn from a >book without seeing it done. I'm proficient at regular soldering. Advice? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 19:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kcotcher From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:35:21 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun28.13521.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-27 19:58:56 EDT, you write: << glass@bungi.com >> Hi i saw your inquiry about your decorative soidering. i have spent a lot of time on this and can pass along a few tips(finally something i know about :). i use a small tip on my iron maybe a 1/8 and be sure to keep the heat down as you work to achieve your pearls or whatever. i also have found that the solder that works best for me is called ultimate. i do a lot of decorative soldering on pieces of jewelry. a lot of practice helps to get the technique down. hope that helps, kim cotcher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 20:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:48:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copperfoil Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.174653.0> References: <<1998Jun27.233030.0>> Precedence: bulk CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > > Hey all, > > I was just wondering, is copperfoil work water-proof? Does stained glass > ALWAYS need some sort of barrier between it and the elements? > > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass mostly yeah, foil will let water go through it pretty easily. it does'nt make a good material for panels that will be exposed to the elements... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 20:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oxford.net!tmr From: "Teresa Ross" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: painting on glass Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:05:26 -0700 Message-ID: <199806280204.WAA28970@server1.oxford.net> Precedence: bulk I'm interested in learning how to paint on glass. Has anyone done this? I'm relatively new at stained glass but am learning fast. I have a small home business and so far I am making smaller items. I'd like to make them really unique to me by painting on the glass. I'd be very interested in any advice on any aspect of this. thank you teresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 20:28:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:44:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun27.174451.0> References: <<1998Jun27.224752.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > I would like to learn how to do decorative soldering. Is there a book that > anyone would recommend for this purpose and is it possible to learn from a > book without seeing it done. I'm proficient at regular soldering. Advice? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'd choose any book by Kay Bain Weiner, since she's the one who invented it in the first place... as far as i know. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 22:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun27.14729.0> References: <<1998Jun27.224752.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon: Decorative soldering is a question of patience and trial and error. Kay Weiner has a book on Decorative Soldering. Some of my suggestions are: 1. Use 63-37 Solder (Canfield Ultima) It has a melting temperature of ~358 and solidifies at ~358. This means it is eutectic or when the soldering iron is removed the solder becomes solid; 2. Make up a "solder board" to practice on. I use about 8 one-inch strips foiled and soldered to gether. Then that gives you 7 solder lines to practice on. When you get through, you can re-solder the lines and start all over again; and 3. Lots of patience to learn what you can and can't do with solder. Kay Weiner has a VHS tape on decorative soldering that is quite good. You may be able to rent it from your retail shop. Let us hear about your efforts. Decorative soldering really adds a lot of pzzazz to projects and panels. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 27 22:37:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #30 Shakeel Abedi Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:49:49 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun28.44949.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-27 21:06:09 EDT, you write: << I was at a friend's house that very night when I spotted a book published by Reader's Digest called "Hobbies & Crafts" it had a chapter on stained glass by Jennie French. >> WOW, I was just showing that book to a friend today. Small world. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 03:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: painting on glass Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980628101356.007bd3b0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk >X-Path: oxford.net!tmr >From: "Teresa Ross" >To: >Subject: painting on glass >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:05:26 -0700 > >I'm interested in learning how to paint on glass. Has anyone done this? I'm >relatively new at stained glass but am learning fast. I have a small home >business and so far I am making smaller items. I'd like to make them really >unique to me by painting on the glass. I'd be very interested in any advice >on any aspect of this. > >thank you >teresa The best book I have found is by Albinas Elskus, cant remember the axact title - but any stained glass retail store will have or be able to get it for you. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk Elizabeth Law Bournemouth Stained Glass htp://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 04:02:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: CWWSLW@aol.com Subject: Re: copperfoil Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun28.12050.0> References: <<1998Jun27.233030.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Susan Copper foil is water proof if applied properly. This means (for me) smoothing the glass edges, washing the glass, drying thoroughly, avoid putting any oil from hands and fingers on the glass surface or edges (cotton or vinyl gloves), burnishing foil well after application Then tinning and finally solder pieces together. the Solder joints if properly applied will have no holes from excess solder so will not leak. The adhesive between the glass and the foil is where there might be leaks in some future time. I've not found foiled vases begin to leak after 8 years when made this way. (some of my earlier ones did). I don't know how long this will last though. The adhesive will fail at some time and begin to let water through, but possibly many decades from now. Afterall, leaded glass begins to leak after about 100 years from deterioration of the lead light cement. After all this, I have to admit that all my coperfoil incorporated into leaded windows is behind an external glazing sheet. Steve P.S. and you can see I disagree with Mike. :) In message <1998Jun27.233030.0@?>, CWWSLW@aol.com writes >Hey all, > >I was just wondering, is copperfoil work water-proof? Does stained glass >ALWAYS need some sort of barrier between it and the elements? > >Susan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 04:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Decorative Soldering Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:05:10 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.6510.0> Precedence: bulk I am interested in that subject too! Harlequin Leadlight http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html Join the leadlight webring http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 06:38:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:30:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass painting Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun28.35946.0> Precedence: bulk It's called *The Art of Painting on Glass*. Dani Greer reccomended it to me. I haven't gotten it yet, but want to look for it. Jerri >The best book I have found is by Albinas Elskus, cant remember the axact title - but any stained glass retail store will have or be able to get it for you. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 07:04:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering-Question Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:55:30 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun28.125530.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/27/98 10:38:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bjs10@cornell.edu writes: << adjusted the temp on the thermostat often til I found the best combination for decorative work. >> Thank you to everyone who offered tips and guidance for learning decorative soldering. I'm sure the suggestion for using the 63/37 solder will save me lots of aggravation. Since I only have a Weller 100 soldering iron (no adjustable temp and can't use with a temp control), will I be able to do the soldering with that iron or will I need to buy another iron and a rheostat? I can reduce the temp by replacing the tip but that would probably be a pain to keep changing tips until I get the right temp. (Not probably, it will definitely be a pain!) Or maybe someone knows the tip that I should use? Thanks again to all who responded. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 07:34:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: painting on glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:41:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199806281347.JAA13468@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > The best book I have found is by Albinas Elskus, cant remember the axact > title - but any stained glass retail store will have or be able to get it > for you. According to the search engine at Alta Vista, you can get it at http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/library/select.html Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 14:05:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering-Question Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun28.6849.0> Precedence: bulk Barbara, I too use a Weller 100 and a rheostat. I've been using them for about 20 years now. I haven't seen a problem. (At least that I am aware of). In the last twenty years I've had to replace the iron twice and that was only due to stupidity on my part. I replaced the last one about a year ago. I use it almost everyday. It seems to be okay. I am curious as to why the two shouldn't be used together. How does the rheostat damage the Weller 100? -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: BMarhon@aol.com ; glass bungi line Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering-Question >Barbara wrote: >>Since I only have a Weller 100 soldering iron (no adjustable temp and can't >>use with a temp control), will I be able to do the soldering with that >>iron or >>will I need to buy another iron and a rheostat? > >Barbara, I've had a Weller 100 and a Glastar temp controller attached to >it for about a year now, and have had no problems. You might want to give >it a try! >Suzanne > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 14:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering-Question Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun28.62242.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Doug Parrott To: suzy@comcat.com Cc: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering-Question >Barbara, > >I too use a Weller 100 and a rheostat. I've been using them for about 20 >years now. I haven't seen a problem. (At least that I am aware of). In >the last twenty years I've had to replace the iron twice and that was only >due to stupidity on my part. I replaced the last one about a year ago. I >use it almost everyday. It seems to be okay. I am curious as to why the >two shouldn't be used together. How does the rheostat damage the Weller >100? Oops, Forgot to sign my name, Cheryl > >> >>> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 15:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass painting Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:11:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199806282114.WAA25936@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, A quickie - as I pack!!! I have this book - it's excellent and well worth getting. ISBN No. is 0-684-17643-2 (paperback), publ Carl Scribner's Sons, N.Y. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Thread so far: It's called *The Art of Painting on Glass*. Dani Greer reccomended it to me. I haven't gotten it yet, but want to look for it. Jerri >The best book I have found is by Albinas Elskus, cant remember the axact title - but any stained glass retail store will have or be able to get it for you. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass UNQOUTE ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 18:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Weller 100 & Rheostat Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:10:22 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun29.01022.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/28/98 5:06:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bird_cage@email.msn.com writes: << I am curious as to why the two shouldn't be used together. How does the rheostat damage the Weller 100? >> I was probably told way back when that I didn't need a rheostat and of course my brain turned that into I shouldn't use a rheostat. I just looked at the spec sheet for the iron and it doesn't say anything about it so I guess I will get a rheostat. Again, thanks to all for responding. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 28 23:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:20:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun29.52056.0> Precedence: bulk I'd apprecieate any comments from the group re: location and other considerations for a new venture I'm in the planning stage on. I plan to send a bio soon, but to help you help me, let me say that I've been doing glass for some time, it has become a true passion for me, and after having been bought out of a non-glass related business by a conglomerate for whom I can't work much longer (ethically, that is), I need t o go back into business, and living in an area outside a major metro area, which has 170,000 people, and no glass shop within 30 miles, I see a real need here in this community. While there is one studio. that person doesn't givve lessons, and doesn't sell supplies. Also, The area is upscale, and I feel that a gallery showing quality work, (mine and others) would go well. Also, I could have the store, and get the studio out of the house. Since we sold our business for cash, I am properly financed, and my wife and I have owned businesses for years, so what's the problem? Location. Space in a few very upscale storefronts in the middle of the affluent areas is available, but does such an operation need or will it benefit from a high exposure / location, where rents are high? In surounding areas, stained glass shops / studios tend to be in semi -industrial areas, where the rent is low, but so is the exposure / traffic. One I noticed in an industrial park, went out of business. I know you get what you pay for, but I'd like to hear from any of you who are running studio / shops as to this price / exposure situation. Also, do any of you run the type of combo I envision. Any thoughts on # of Sq. ft needed? This group has been inspiring.Also when joining IGGA and reading back issues of COMMON GROUND, I was inspired by Christie Wood's lettter some years back. I find myself in a similar corporate situation, and need to work my way out. By the way, I'm no spring chicken, as they say, but am at least 15 years away from retirement.I have a real fire to do this. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Richard Callahan Glassics Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 04:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Weller 100 & Rheostat Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:07:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.12721.0> Precedence: bulk << I am curious as to why the two shouldn't be used together. How does the rheostat damage the Weller 100? >> >I was probably told way back when that I didn't need a rheostat and of course >my brain turned that into I shouldn't use a rheostat. I just looked at the >spec sheet for the iron and it doesn't say anything about it so I guess I will >get a rheostat. >Again, thanks to all for responding. Brenda (what do bungians mean by a rheostat) You must check in the spec for the iron to see if it has an electronic thermostat control. If it has then no other form of controller should be used. If the iron has a mechanical thermostat or a magnetic thermostat then there should be no problem. Unfortunately the term "rheostat" to an electronics engineer means a a variable power resistor or rotary control that gets very hot. Another means of control is a variac or a variable transformer which can be used to turn up and down the voltage across the iron.The last device used for such things is a electronic triac controller such as the type used to dim lights or slow down an electronic drill. All of these devices will stop an iron that is temperature controlled with an electronic thermostat working properly. All of the other devices mentioned above can be used to drop the temperature of an iron whether it is thermostatted or not if it is not electronically controlled. I use an electronic light dimmer(Electronic triac controller) to turn down my iron because it is one of the simple non thermostatted 100 watt irons and also the controller is cheap and can be bought off the shelf , small in size and does not get hot.It is also easy to wire into a dual plastic wallbox in the uk with a dedicated mains socket in the other half of the dual box. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 05:09:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Your Praise Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:20:02 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.3202.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you Tracy, your praise was very generous. Glad was any source of insipiration. People like Albert, Elisabeth, Tashiro and Mike are the people who have always been a source of inspiration to, they have helped me with the number of questions I have bombarded them with. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 07:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.53014.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:MD6868@aol.com >This group has been inspiring.Also when joining IGGA and reading back issues of COMMON GROUND, I was inspired by Christie Wood's letter some years bac= k. I find myself in a similar corporate situation, and need to work my way out= =2E< blush, blush. OK. Here's my thoughts on this. Seems you have identified a need for a stained glass supply business in your area. That seems to me to be the best way to go in your particular situation. A combination of stained glass retail supply store/teaching studio/working studio sounds like it would work well. I would not recommend a combination of stained glass retail supply store and gallery though. Why? 1.) People going into a stained glass retail supply store are already motivated to create their own stained glass and they will not be in the market to purchase somebody else's work. 2.) People looking to purchase stained glass artwork will not think to visit an "industrial" type business such as a stained glass retail store, versus an "artistic" type business such as a gallery. A combination stained glass working studio & finished goods gallery works for me. I have the gallery in the front of the store & my working studio in the back. It's all of 630 square feet big, inclusive of a tiny bathroom and a storage closet housing microwave & mini refrigerator for lunch stuff, as well as boxes, extra lamp bases, etc. I am located in a sort-of touristy area outside of Philadelphia, which is not particularly known for contemporary artwork or stained glass. There is a stained glass retail supply store/teaching studio/commission studio within a 10 minute drive from my store. Hence, I decided to not follow that business plan, but instead, concentrate on the finished artwork side. I do not normally sell supplies out of my store - just fine glass artwork. This includes my own stuff as well as 15 other American glass artists (hot glass, fused, glass jewelry, suncatchers, mosaics, etc. if it's made with glass). This combination works for me, and I have a great relationship with the owner of the local stained glass supply store. If someone walks into my shop looking for supplies or formal classes, I send them over to Inspirations. But I also carry some of Inspiration's finished projects on consignment at my gallery. We also share in wholesale purchases and delivery of wholesale supplies, since we're so close to one another. I know this is unusual in the stained glass business, but it works well for both of us. Occasionally we will unknowingly bid on the same project, but that's OK too. Now, I know you're going to need more than 630 square feet for a stained glass retail supply store. You're going to more likely need 1000 square feet for storage of the supplies and work benches for yourself and students. May I recommend the book "This Business of Glass" by Loretta Radeschi? It is a complete guide to setting up a glass business. Everything from deciding which type of business would work for you, to getting all the correct business forms, to doing the financial stuff, to marketing, etc. I read the book from front to back and did it again prior to starting up my store. I used it to help write up my business plan. In any case, good luck! Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 13:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: Re: Weller 100 & Rheostat Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.5254.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Weller 100 & Rheostat >Brandon, > > >Thanks for the info. It made me use my brain though. Ouch that hurts. >Okay here is the scoop. The specs did not state whether it is >electronically controlled or magnetically controlled. It does mention under >Troubleshooting guide that it has a magnastat switch, which I assume means >magnetic. My rheostat is a Pro Soldering Iron Control Max 800 Watts-120 >V.A.C. Which works like the dimmer switch. It doesn't have temperature >settings. The settings are numbered 1-10. I just purchased this a year >ago. Prior to that I used a light dimmer switch. The problem I had with >that is that it seemed to be loose. I like the Pro Soldering Iron Control >much better. It was relatively inexpensive. > >I guess the confusion for me is the term Rheostat. Thanks for your help. >My husband laughed at me. he said if it has been working for all these >years don't worry about it. Worrying is the name of the game for me. I >seem to be good at it. > >thanks again, > >Cheryl >-----Original Message----- >From: B. S. Jones >\ >Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 4:07 AM >Subject: RE: Weller 100 & Rheostat > > >><< I am curious as to why the >> two shouldn't be used together. How does the rheostat damage the >>Weller >> 100? >> >> >>>I was probably told way back when that I didn't need a rheostat and of >>course >>>my brain turned that into I shouldn't use a rheostat. I just looked at >>the >>>spec sheet for the iron and it doesn't say anything about it so I guess >>I will >>>get a rheostat. >> >>>Again, thanks to all for responding. >> >>Brenda (what do bungians mean by a rheostat) >> >>You must check in the spec for the iron to see if it has an electronic >>thermostat control. If it has then no other form of controller should be >>used. >>If the iron has a mechanical thermostat or a magnetic thermostat then >>there should be no problem. Unfortunately the term "rheostat" to an >>electronics engineer means a a variable power resistor or rotary control >>that gets very hot. Another means of control is a variac or a variable >>transformer which can be used to turn up and down the voltage across the >>iron.The last device used for such things is a electronic triac >>controller such as the type used to dim lights or slow down an >>electronic drill. All of these devices will stop an >>iron that is temperature controlled with an electronic thermostat >>working properly. All of the other devices mentioned above can be used >>to drop the temperature of an iron whether it is thermostatted or not if >>it is not electronically controlled. >>I use an electronic light dimmer(Electronic triac controller) to turn >>down my iron because it is one of the simple non thermostatted 100 watt >>irons and also the controller is cheap and can be bought off the shelf , >>small in size and does not get hot.It is also easy to wire into a dual >>plastic wallbox in the uk with a dedicated mains socket in the other >>half of the dual box. >> >>Brandon S. Jones >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 15:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:MD6868@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.133857.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard- Just a quick note as we're on a show deadline. I say go with the high visibility location if you're planning on giving = classes and doing retail - it's the best advertising you can buy. We're on a very busy street (much to my dismay sometimes!) and get tons of overflow traffic from the antique stores on the block. That big sign "Custom Stained Glass Windows" has brought us more business than = anything else we've done. And lots of folks looking for classes and supplies, though we provide neither. We've = reached a point of needing LESS of that kind of traffic since our focus is private commissions and especially = church commissions. Also, if you're = willing to be open on Saturdays and = evenings, that will bring you more folks. We're the only commission shop open on Saturdays and have "gotten the job" because of that alone! Good luck with your plans, keep us = up-to-date, and after July 17th I'll be more vocal again. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 16:19:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:47:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks and a comment Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:49:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.74959.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk This list never ceases to impress me. The knowledge available here is unfathomable to me. Now to see that you are willing to expand that knowledge to other groups, well I hope you are rewarded before you go to heaven. Thank you for helping the gentleman with his problem at Art Glass World billboard. And my comment: Someone somewhere, wanted a pattern of the door on Grace under Fire. That got me paying attention to stained glass on TV. I never realized how much there is. Old movies when doing church scenes show the most fantastic windows. Can you imaging the lighting problem that would be? Alot of the sit-coms have homes with stained glass. I am low middle income, no one I know has a stained glass window. Suncatchers yes, but not a window. Third Rock from the Sun has the most I have seen in a TV program. Their kitchen door. Above the entery of the stair case. A small table lamp in the living room and hanging lamp in the living room(although it looks like one of those awful plastic things we bought in hordes in the 70's). I wonder if all this stained glass in the backgrounds of our entertainment viewing is planned or subliminal on the part of the producer/director/set decorator? If it is subliminal, what does that say for the art of stained glass? It seems to me that if all(some/most let don't get into sematice, since I am fond of generalizing) it lends credence to the controversy that stained glass is an art. Now I got ya. All(and this time I do mean all) of you who have time to watch TV, will be looking for stained glass in the background instead of watching the show!!!!!!!!!! Have Fun Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 19:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Thanks and a comment Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 19:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <199806292357.TAA19389@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Shirley writes: >Now I got ya. All(and this time I do mean all) of you who have time to >watch TV, will be looking for stained glass in the background instead of >watching the show!!!!!!!!!! Shirley, I've been doing it for years. I can't help it. And, when driving through town at night - you should see all the old glass (transoms) and new glass (panels) and expensive glass (bevelled doors). It's *everywhere*!!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 20:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Thanks and a comment Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.185045.0> References: <<1998Jun29.74959.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk The most impressive I've seen is on E.R. when the nurse goes to Noah Wylie's family estate to look for a grant. The entry hall had a 20+ foot ceiling, and the door and front wall were all heavily beveled leaded glass. Don't know if it was a real home in Chicago, but it looked impressive. I know some people in TV, and some of the sets are NOT real glass, but plastic, almost like that paint on stuff on home shopping. I've seen it up close. It's amazing what looks real seen through a camera. Shirley Balloch wrote: > That got me paying attention to stained glass on TV. I never realized > how much there is. Old movies when doing church scenes show the most > fantastic windows. Can you imaging the lighting problem that would be? > Alot of the sit-coms have homes with stained glass. I am low middle > income, no one I know has a stained glass window. Suncatchers yes, but > not a window. -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 20:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp37.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:lamp transfer Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:24:58 -0400 Message-ID: <199806300124.VAA00375@ppp37.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jun12.6436.0>> Precedence: bulk M> i don't know if this question will make any sense, but... i'm up to the M> rounded part of my lamp. it's 13" in diameter, and roughly half of that M> height. i need to make the pattern on the globe, and on paper, as a M> pattern. but i can't figure out the best way to "cut?" the paper so it M> fits comfortably on the dome. Hi Mike, I know this is an old message, but I have not had too much time to answer to my messages. If I understand correctly, do you want the is the shape the sphere in flat paper? If so, let me know, I can mail you one that divides the sphere in 1/32 pieces, I believe. -- Daniel M. German "When you have removed the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle -> must be the truth." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 20:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "B. S. Jones" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.19117.0> References: <<1998Jun29.12721.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and try??? The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? Anyone try this?? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations B. S. Jones wrote: > Unfortunately the term "rheostat" to an > electronics engineer means a a variable power resistor or rotary control > that gets very hot. Another means of control is a variac or a variable > transformer which can be used to turn up and down the voltage across the > iron.The last device used for such things is a electronic triac > controller such as the type used to dim lights or slow down an > electronic drill. All of these devices will stop an > iron that is temperature controlled with an electronic thermostat > working properly. All of the other devices mentioned above can be used > to drop the temperature of an iron whether it is thermostatted or not if > it is not electronically controlled. > I use an electronic light dimmer(Electronic triac controller) to turn > down my iron because it is one of the simple non thermostatted 100 watt > irons and also the controller is cheap and can be bought off the shelf , > small in size and does not get hot.It is also easy to wire into a dual > plastic wallbox in the uk with a dedicated mains socket in the other > half of the dual box. > > Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 20:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning and permenant fetal damage Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:22:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.132252.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Lead exposure may harm fetal immune system NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Studies in rats suggest that lead exposures too low to affect the health of pregnant mothers may nonetheless permanently damage the immune systems of their offspring. The study authors believe their findings may help explain why some children seem to be born with allergies or other immune disorders. For details, go to ... http://www.intelihealth.com/news?186548&r=EMIHC000 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 21:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Removing mirror silvering Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.18619.0> Precedence: bulk Does anybody remember how to remove mirror silvering from glass? Was it Paint Striper? I have a nice beveled mirror that I want to remove the mirror part from. TIA Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS Haven't forgot the members that wanted the previously posted bios. Haven't have chance yet .... soon. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 22:47:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: To: suzy@ComCAT.COM, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Thanks and a comment Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:49:07 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun30.3497.0> Precedence: bulk Me too.......it is suprising how your eye "zooms" in on any glass items on Television, driving down the road, in catalogs or just about anywhere!!!.....I have gotten some great ideas from some of the pieces I have seen. I too love riding around at night and seeing what types of glass people have in their homes.....especially some of the very old homes........some very beautiful glass is out there and probably not appreciated...I always want to go back with a camera and ask to take pictures. May all your glass dreams come true!! Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 23:01:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!midwich_cuckoo From: "Roger Thornhill" To: glass@bungi.com, MD6868@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:06:00 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jun30.560.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Richard, To each his own - I believe it is in your best interest to: 1. Sell finished product 2. Do commission work 3. Sell supplies 4. Teach classes. We have 2000 sq. ft. of retail space and you never know what is going to pay your bills. Some months it is commission work, most months it is our classes and supplies. Occasionally we make a decent sale of finished products, mostly at Christmas time. Radechi's book is great. So is the one from D&L (don't remember the name - sorry). Most importantly, I would suggest NOT getting a location in a retail strip mall. Get the most space as cheaply as possible just off the main road. Your store is a "destination" for most of your customers - in other words, they are going to your store anyhow and don't care where you are located. If you are in a retail mall, you get a little bit more initial exposure, but are constantly interrupted by people stopping in to "just look". Plan on lots of hours, lots of paper work, little sleep and little money the first years. It might be in your best interest to identify others who have your passion and start a business with them. Make sure you have good credit, because you are going to need the credit cards. Financing is also hard to come by - take what you can get and talk about it passionately to everyone. Friends, family members, those you know from church, etc. Money comes from unexpected sources (sounds like a fortune cookie). Try and barter what you can to start. Will an accountant trade services? What about a carpet installer - do you know any (provided you want to make your place look upscale). I got my brother and his friends to completely rewire the place for his cost - expensive even at that. There is an international retailers group that has formed which is dedicated solely to the interests of retailers - join it if you can (you have to have a storefront, first). Don't go for "cutesy" marketing ploys. The best advertisement is to get the biggest circulated paper to run an article on stained glass and mention your store - we still get people coming in almost 1.5 years later mentioning the article. The second best advice is never, ever sell yourself short. If you do a commission job and think the price should be $125 a square foot, charge that much. Do incredible work and always strive to learn. Don't settle for doing shoddy workmanship - your best business can be repeat or referral business. Wow, there is so much - you can email me privately if you want to discuss this further - I'm kept pretty busy but try and get to everyone's questions when they come in. Best of luck! >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sun Jun 28 23:15:52 1998 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) >X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 >From: >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store >Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:20:56 EDT >Message-ID: <1998Jun29.52056.0> >Precedence: bulk > >I'd apprecieate any comments from the group re: location and other >considerations for a new venture I'm in the planning stage on. > >I plan to send a bio soon, but to help you help me, let me say that I've been >doing glass for some time, it has become a true passion for me, and after >having been bought out of a non-glass related business by a conglomerate for >whom I can't work much longer (ethically, that is), I need t o go back into >business, and living in an area outside a major metro area, which has 170,000 >people, and no glass shop within 30 miles, I see a real need here in this >community. While there is one studio. that person doesn't givve lessons, and >doesn't sell supplies. > >Also, The area is upscale, and I feel that a gallery showing quality work, >(mine and others) would go well. Also, I could have the store, and get the >studio out of the house. > >Since we sold our business for cash, I am properly financed, and my wife and I >have owned businesses for years, so what's the problem? Location. > >Space in a few very upscale storefronts in the middle of the affluent areas is >available, but does such an operation need or will it benefit from a high >exposure / location, where rents are high? > >In surounding areas, stained glass shops / studios tend to be in semi >-industrial areas, where the rent is low, but so is the exposure / traffic. >One I noticed in an industrial park, went out of business. > >I know you get what you pay for, but I'd like to hear from any of you who are >running studio / shops as to this price / exposure situation. Also, do any of >you run the type of combo I envision. Any thoughts on # of Sq. ft needed? > >This group has been inspiring.Also when joining IGGA and reading back issues >of COMMON GROUND, I was inspired by Christie Wood's lettter some years back. I >find myself in a similar corporate situation, and need to work my way out. > >By the way, I'm no spring chicken, as they say, but am at least 15 years away >from retirement.I have a real fire to do this. Thanks for your thoughts in >advance. > >Richard Callahan >Glassics >Valencia, CA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 29 23:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Children & lead Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:27:09, -0500 Message-ID: <199806300527.BAA10732@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Lead exposure may harm fetal immune system NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Studies in rats suggest that lead exposures too low to affect the health of pregnant mothers may nonetheless permanently damage the immune systems of their offspring. The study authors believe their findings may help explain why some children seem to be born with allergies or other immune disorders.<< I must be physic. Whenever I am asked about combining lead and pregnancy I have always replied, *Why take a chance?* IMO pregnant and nursing women have no business using lead or solder or the common chemicals associated with stained glass. No science here, just common sense. Bob Ps: Milk fat is sometimes given to people exposed to lead. Seems the fat takes up the lead and causes it to be eliminated from the body. I suspect that nursing women should never work with lead for this reason. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *What! And try to teach her to put up the seat?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 00:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, leestat7@home.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:34:39, -0500 Message-ID: <199806300534.BAA15592@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and try??? The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? Anyone try this?? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations<< Sure I tried it. I try almost everything. Burnt out a cheap reo and so tried my expensive Glasstar temp control. Burnt that out also. To the best of my knowledge all the reostats sold for SG work will not carry the current required by the Quick Fire Kiln. Also these reos do not provide for grounding. Ya gotta pay the $50.00 for the PCB 1. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *What! And try to teach her to put up the seat?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 00:34:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: Help at another site Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:28:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun29.152856.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@vgernet.net] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 1998 11:54 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help at another site > There is a request for help at Art Glass World. > http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/message/400.html > It is from a maintenance guy for a 60-65 year old church. The church is > putting up lexan. That message has already been deleted apparently. I got a 404 Not Found message. Albert [*Glenn*] Albert, I just went there and found the 404 message, then tried again using the abbreviated [*Glenn*] http://www.artglassworld.com/ [*Glenn*] and got thru then just went via the bulletin board, and found that the message was still there PS. my hard Drive crashed for those who wonder where I went, now have a new larger one (was able to save before it went down ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 01:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:49:58 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.14958.0> Precedence: bulk One method i have been using is quite simple and easy to do. i'll try to explain: 1) make a normal bead solder on the project then go back over the solder lines to be decorated 2) get a drop of solder on your iron tip (about 2-3 mm) 3) apply this drop quickly on one end of the line 4) leave a blank space the same size as the previous blob 5) apply another drop and repeat the process The solder line looks then like n_n_n_n_n When polished those bumps shine and the empty spaces are darker. Hard to describe without picture. I can send you a picture of a finished article if interested. (one of those might be in my web site) Harlequin Leadlight http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html Join the leadlight webring http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 01:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.9440.0> Precedence: bulk All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and try??? The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? Anyone try this?? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations The Kiln heaters are just a nichrome resistor just the same as in the soldering iron that get hot when electric current are passed through them. The problem with the simple controllers is that they normally control low power loads only in the form of 250watts or so. Kilns will take lots more power in the form of kilowatts. Electronic Controllers using similar technology as in the light dimmers can be used for this with more powerful devices fitted in them . The problem is finding a supplier of a device that can handle the power rating of your kiln with some to spare.There is no problem in the form of capable electronic controllers, in the past I have worked on controllers that handle 2500 horsepower motors for electric trains under computer control. Bit big for your kiln though.... Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 03:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks and a comment Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:07:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199806301115.HAA24985@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > > Alot of the sit-coms have homes with stained glass. And Mission furniture. Try several thousand dollars for a single piece of some of that. Of course, what we see on TV isn't really authentic antique Mission furniture, but something put together by the prop department. Those talented guys! Same goes for the stained glass. T'ain't real. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 06:25:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: Thanks and a comment Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:01:00 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun30.1210.0> References: <<199806301115.HAA24985@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk And don't forget that God Awful show "Third Rock From The Sun". THeir apartment has some great stained glass windows, panels and lamps in it (it's one of the only reasons I watch the show). I hope they are real and not just a stage prop they are beautiful. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 07:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:27:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199806301324.JAA01505@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > devices fitted in them . The problem is finding a supplier of a device > that can handle the power rating of your kiln with some to spare.There > is no problem > in the form of capable electronic controllers, in the past I have worked > on controllers that handle 2500 horsepower motors for electric trains > under computer control. Bit big for your kiln though.... Practically any temperature controller can be made to control arbitrarily large loads by using the to switch a relay, either mechanical or solid state. My controller is a Omega 76000 with switching contacts rated at no more than 1 amp @ 110 Volts, I think. This is used to switch a 20Amp mechanical relay. I would think you could use the iron rheostat in a similar way; I am sure it can handle the tiny power needed to switch a relay. If you are into building your own stuff I am quite pleased with this Omega unit. It has one ramp/soak cycle only, but that has been adequate for my needs so far. (Be sure to understand what THEY mean by "one ramp/soak cycle". Omega has other single ramp units that can ramp up only, and cannot ramp down.) They also make multi ramp units, but they are more expensive, and still require lots of stuff to make a complete unit. (Metal box, connectors, power cord, relay, pilot lights, etc. But for me building it was part of the fun.) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 07:57:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Biz-Combo Gallery, Studio, Store Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:10:03 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun30.14103.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-06-29 04:11:36 EDT, you write: << Space in a few very upscale storefronts in the middle of the affluent areas is available, but does such an operation need or will it benefit from a high exposure / location, where rents are high? In surounding areas, stained glass shops / studios tend to be in semi -industrial areas, where the rent is low, but so is the exposure / traffic. One I noticed in an industrial park, went out of business. I know you get what you pay for, but I'd like to hear from any of you who are running studio / shops as to this price / exposure situation. Also, do any of you run the type of combo I envision. Any thoughts on # of Sq. ft needed? >> Well I hope I don't get blasted for this one as I am not running a studio, but I have noticed how the shops in the area (40 miles between them) run. I noticed one was in 'old town' for a few years (a historic part of town with many shops) I think he got noticed there and then moved to an industrial area. Now his studio is (in the industrial area) on a back road that you would never just happen by but is 4 times the size he was before. He does a lot of restorations and new beveled doors (he does his own beveling) I think the initial location got him noticed enough that he now doesn't need to be seen. With this shop my impression is that the retail area of it is more of a secondary thing, ie he keeps supplies to a minimum for his customers who do their own glass working. I think one area compliments the other. He does have huge work areas and a fair selection of glass. He told me he no longer teaches, I don't remember why but I think he does better with finished product than teaching classes would. He really isn't open for the hobbiest, no saturdays at all. the other shop is in a tiny studio, behind her house, much friendlier atmosphere and she teaches classes but I don't think she is making the money that the other is. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 08:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lamp transfer Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.6203.0> References: <<199806300124.VAA00375@ppp37.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > M> i don't know if this question will make any sense, but... i'm up to the > M> rounded part of my lamp. it's 13" in diameter, and roughly half of that > M> height. i need to make the pattern on the globe, and on paper, as a > M> pattern. but i can't figure out the best way to "cut?" the paper so it > M> fits comfortably on the dome. > > Hi Mike, > > I know this is an old message, but I have not had too much time to > answer to my messages. If I understand correctly, do you want the is > the shape the sphere in flat paper? If so, let me know, I can mail you > one that divides the sphere in 1/32 pieces, I believe. > > -- > Daniel M. German "When you have removed the impossible, > whatever remains, however improbable, > Arthur Conan Doyle -> must be the truth." > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the design will have to be flat to work with. but it's not a geometric design, which makes it a bit harder. more then likley, when i finally get around to starting the thing, i'll trace the objects over the mold. and do the background free hand, since the background is mainly on the clear side... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 09:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.62321.0> References: <<1998Jun29.19117.0>> Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for > my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't > I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't > know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and > try??? > The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but > got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? > > Anyone try this?? > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > B. S. Jones wrote: > > > > Unfortunately the term "rheostat" to an > > electronics engineer means a a variable power resistor or rotary control > > that gets very hot. Another means of control is a variac or a variable > > transformer which can be used to turn up and down the voltage across the > > iron.The last device used for such things is a electronic triac > > controller such as the type used to dim lights or slow down an > > electronic drill. All of these devices will stop an > > iron that is temperature controlled with an electronic thermostat > > working properly. All of the other devices mentioned above can be used > > to drop the temperature of an iron whether it is thermostatted or not if > > it is not electronically controlled. > > I use an electronic light dimmer(Electronic triac controller) to turn > > down my iron because it is one of the simple non thermostatted 100 watt > > irons and also the controller is cheap and can be bought off the shelf , > > small in size and does not get hot.It is also easy to wire into a dual > > plastic wallbox in the uk with a dedicated mains socket in the other > > half of the dual box. > > > > Brandon S. Jones > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass besides the kiln having a three prong cord. it draws to much current for the iron reostat to handle. if i'm not carefull i'll blow a circut if a few other things are on. they do make a reostat for the quickfire, but it's around $80. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 09:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.17232.0> Precedence: bulk Practically any temperature controller can be made to control arbitrarily large loads by using the to switch a relay, either mechanical or solid state. My controller is a Omega 76000 with switching contacts rated at no more than 1 amp @ 110 Volts, I think. This is used to switch a 20Amp mechanical relay. I would think you could use the iron rheostat in a similar way; I am sure it can handle the tiny power needed to switch a relay. There is still confusion here.. the complex soldering iron controllers use electronic switching not relays as relays have a limited wear life. Slow on- off can only be done with a relay usually. This makes a poor temperature control as the iron would overshoot its temperature setting by a large margin. What they do in the complex controllers is run up full power at switch on then as the iron warms up to nearly the set temperature then the power to the iron is electronically switched on and off fast at first then more slowly as the exact temperature is reached. what this does is to stop the overshoot of temperature.Feed back from a temperature measurement device such as a thermocouple in the iron element is used to achieve this so that the controller knows when to start this process. With a simple electronic controller such as a light dimmer only half of this system is there as there is no feed back of temperature. To make the iron run cooler you turn down the power to the iron, to make it hotter you turn it up so the control is very crude. There is no reason why you can not do this with a kiln if you have another means of visually reading off the temperature of the kiln.If the kilns that you use only need to keep a temperature accuracy of a few tens of deg c in 1000 then manufacturers will probably still use relays which is very old fashioned nowadays as the final device to control the power going on and off to the heating elements. Your kilns ramp to usually slow down the effects of thermal shock on the materials being heated or for annealing processes and so on.A proper controller for a kiln will have all of this built into it with a temperature sensor in the kiln body similar to that used by the soldering irons.This complexity and ease of use is what you pay your money for. What makes me amazed is what did they use in the kilns of yesteryear before electricity, how did you know the right temperature ..calibrated eyeballs maybe .. from sheer skill and practical experience. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 09:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R Terry" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.14433.0> Precedence: bulk I'm not familiar with the Quick Fire Kiln, but I've built several kilns from old stove parts. If you use the controlling high/low/medium or 1-2-3.... switch from an older kitchen stove top element they are all marked on the side with their amprage. Most are ten or fifteen amps. If this is enough for your kiln element, it will work fine. I've had them last two years or more. If you save some of the wire from the stove it is normally high temp also, so you won't have to worry about melting insulation in your control box. Hope this helps. Douglas Terry (from the Alps of Oregon) >All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for >my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't >I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't >know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and >try??? >The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but >got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? > >Anyone try this?? >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 11:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Gallery Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:08:34 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Thanks Daniel (Barefoot) for adding my piece to the gallery! This is kind of exciting for us lowly hobbyists who have no plans for our own websites. Check it out gang--and send in your stuff! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 12:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Iron reostat for Paragon Quik Fire Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.92837.0> References: <<1998Jun30.62321.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks Mike, Brandon, DavidC, It was late at night, this morning I realized the little Soldering Iron controller would not handle the wattage. I'll get the Glass star or Paragon controller built for the kiln. I'm not much on building my own mechanical or electrical tools, but do build most of my hand tools. I think wholesale it will be $45-$50. Right now the only thing I can do is On/Off cycle to keep the heat steady. Since it is a fast fire, the cool down cycle is most important. And right now, in the Florida heat wave it really heats up the studio. I try to schedule firings last thing, then it can cool overnight. Thanks again , Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M. Savad wrote: > > leestat7 wrote: > > > > All this talk of rheostats for irons (I have two) raises a question for > > my Paragon Quick Fire Kiln. It has only an on/off switch, so why can't > > I use one of the soldering iron controllers for the little kiln? Don't > > know why this would not work, any suggestions??? Or just go for it and > > try??? > > The PCB 1 controller is recommended for this kiln some while ago, but > > got curious about just using on of the rheostats I already have? > > > > Anyone try this?? > > Lee Boe > > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > B. S. Jones wrote: > > > > > > > Unfortunately the term "rheostat" to an > > > electronics engineer means a a variable power resistor or rotary control > > > that gets very hot. Another means of control is a variac or a variable > > > transformer which can be used to turn up and down the voltage across the > > > iron.The last device used for such things is a electronic triac > > > controller such as the type used to dim lights or slow down an > > > electronic drill. > > besides the kiln having a three prong cord. it draws to much current for > the iron reostat to handle. if i'm not carefull i'll blow a circut if a > few other things are on. they do make a reostat for the quickfire, but > it's around $80. > > ---Mike Savad > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 14:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Removing mirror silvering Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1998Jun30.61216.0> References: <<1998Jun29.18619.0>> Precedence: bulk Patrick: You can use sand blasting to remove the silvering from the bevel. However, if you want a clear glass afterwards I have no idea but I am sure someone else will know. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 16:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B307BB3AD219F661E8E9AC0" Subject: Re: Removing mirror silvering Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:14:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.8143.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B307BB3AD219F661E8E9AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All, Hi Patrick, Eastern Art Glass sells a product called Strip Silver. It's a two step process no rubbing and no abrasive compounds are needed. You can maybe find this product at a craft store near you or give them a call at 1-201-847-0001. They are located in Wyckoff, N.J. The catalog I have says the price for the kit is $12.95 and includes an instruction booklet. See ya, Pam --------------9B307BB3AD219F661E8E9AC0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------9B307BB3AD219F661E8E9AC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 17:17:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------236342AC3B4A59BD5949F861" Subject: Re:Removing mirror silvering-web site Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.81729.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------236342AC3B4A59BD5949F861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All again, Found Eastern Art Glass's web site addy: http://www.etchworld.com See ya, Pam --------------236342AC3B4A59BD5949F861 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------236342AC3B4A59BD5949F861-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 17:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: removing mirror silvering Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:54:18 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jun30.215418.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick - I've used nail polish remover and elbow grease. Good luck. Kathi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 17:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:bungi gallery Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: <199806302159.RAA00768@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<35995312.11EB7D1E@sprintmail.com>> Precedence: bulk Molly Keys twists the bytes to say: Molly> Dear Daniel, Molly> Could you please send me the form for sending my work to the bungi Molly> gallery along with the address. I must have miss filed it somewhere. Hi Molly, http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/gallery It includes a page that describes how to submit your work to the gallery. BTW, I am leaving on Friday for 12 days. So please, do not send me anything during the next week. In fact, I am a little busy and behind, so it will be better if you all wait until the 14 of July. Regards, Molly> Thank you, Molly> Molly Keys -- barefoot -- Daniel M. German "You cannot have the success without H. G. Hasler -> the failures." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 21:16:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: ptap@pacifier.com Subject: Re: Removing mirror silvering Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jun30.165535.0> References: <<1998Jun30.8143.0>> Precedence: bulk Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs It depends on the size of your piece. If it's small, you can just soak the whole thing in Muriatic acid, available at most hardware stores, until the paint floats off the back of the mirror. If it's too large for that, use paint stripper to remove the paint, then the muriatic to remove the mirror. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 21:19:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) More lead myths (milk fa Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199807010227.WAA09469@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk This from Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist and studio safety advisor to the Guild: >>Lead exposure may harm fetal immune system > NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Studies in rats suggest that lead exposures too > low to affect the health of pregnant mothers may nonetheless > permanently damage the immune systems of their offspring. The study > authors believe their findings may help explain why some children seem > to be born with allergies or other immune disorders. > > For details go to > http://www.intelihealth.com/news?186548&r=EMIHC000 < I saw that. I think it will even relate to the much higher incidence of allergic asthma among inner city blacks. > I must be physic. Whenever I am asked about combining lead and > pregnancy I have always replied, *Why take a chance?* IMO pregnant and > nursing women have no business using lead or solder or the common > chemicals associated with stained glass. No science here, just common > sense. Bob < Its a bit late once a woman is pregnant and nursing. We now have human data establishing that all the lead we store, even as children, is mobilized during pregnancy and made available to the fetus. > Ps: Milk fat is sometimes given to people exposed to lead. Seems the > fat takes up the lead and causes it to be eliminated from the body. I > suspect that nursing women should never work with lead for this > reason. < I've got shares in this bridge......... Actually, the calcium in the milk is a little helpful. Since the body can't tell the difference between lead and calcium, if there's plenty of calcium available, the percentage of lead that get deposited in bones and tissues is reduced somewhat. But the difference is not enough to write home to Mother about. However, on the other side of the spectrum: when lead exposure is combined with out right calcium deficiency, then the uptake of lead becomes quite dramatically increased. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 30 21:43:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: side lights Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:04:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul1.3431.0> Precedence: bulk Okay Yall, I have been asked to do a couple of side lights. The size is 9" x 68". She just wants a simple design, but lots of colors. I figure this is 4.25 sq, feet. I'd planned on charging $45. a sq. ft. (That's $191.00 for each one). Is that too high? Also, I'm thinking I can't get too much design in such a narrow panel. I'm open for suggestions. I'll do them in copperfoil. I guess I should use reinforcement? Thanks in advance, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass