From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 06:20:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:21:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980301081833.006a7ad4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Feb27.145840.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Gary, Your "reply all" function applies to the addresses in the header of the particular piece of mail to which you are replying. Your Aunt Sophie will get it only if you include her address in the "To" field At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: >>> What I do is hit the reply all button, >>LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button >>now I >>won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong >>people. > >I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to >automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into >an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will >not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, >she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. > >Am I wrong? > >Gary Dodge > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 06:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:22:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980301071211.275746dc@sol.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk Dear friends, I have, over the past several months, noticed the discussion of the problems with stained glass in doors, and their slamming. =20 The one and only door I have done, as well as lots of restrip in it, (it is foil) I also got the owner to install a door closer as it was on a very windy side of the house. So far so good, and the door closes nice and gently... we got a good one like stores use, not the little screen door cylinders you get at Walmarts cheap! Good luck, Meg REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 06:52:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:30:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, dodgestudio@juno.com Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:28:11 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk It entirely depends upon the software you are using. Some programs have a "reply to all (sender and recipients) and reply to sender" button, while on others the "reply all" uses the address book. Some are simply going to only have the option of hitting the reply key and then changing the "to:" field to "glass@bungi.com". Its frustrating, but with people using Windows 3.x, Win95, WinNT, MacOS6, MacOS7, Atari, and multiple flavors of UNIX as operating systems and then the many programs that are available for each of those operating systems, there is no simple "just do this" solution. Not everyone has a Pentium II running Groupwise. <> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 07:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:39:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:39:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar1.133924.0> Precedence: bulk REPLY TO ALL will only reply to the sender and any addresses that were cc'd (like "glass@bungi.com"). Just as when I hit REPLY ALL to this e-mail, the response will be sent directly to you as "dodgestudio...", but also to "glass@bungi.com." If you want to make sure, look up in the "To:" box and it lists those addresses the response will be sent to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 07:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:30:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:27:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980301082750.007bd7c0@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb27.145840.0>> Precedence: bulk Ummmm....sorry, Gary, you're wrong. :-) The "reply all" button only means it will reply to all people/lists who were listed in the FROM, TO or CC boxes of the message you were replying to. For instance, I hit "reply all" to your message, and now in my TO box it's going to your address (because you were the FROM in your message) and the list (because it was the TO in your message). If you had done a "reply all" to, say, a message from Albert, your message would have been FROM you, TO Albert, and TO the list....and if I then hit "reply all" to your message, mine would show as being TO you, TO Albert and TO the list. Clear as mud? :-) Steph ~ At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: >I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to >automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into >an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will >not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, >she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. > >Am I wrong? ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 08:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:33:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199803011438.OAA10989@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Sarah, Yeah, why not driftwood too! The only problem with driftwood is that you may not find the middle holed out & therefore you may need an awfully long drill-bit to drill out the through-hole for the cable ( and the extra weighting materials) With tree-roots that you find naturally in woodlands, the middle bit of the stump is always the softer bit and therefore tends to rot and disintegrate quicker, providing for a ready-made through-hole. The "art" is to find them before the rest of the trunk has become noticably "mulched" combined with a shape that is interesting and suitable for making to stand up; lots of "knobbly" or twisty bits at one end, that could constitute the foot of the base. Happy hunting! Elisabeth 'n Toby (who even likes to carry the wood for me!!) Sarah wrote: What a wonderful idea! I'll be heading out to the local beach tomorrow to search for some new driftwood lamp bases! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 08:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:55:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi , Mike Simpson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: white lines and bevels, the saga continues Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:56:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.25652.0> References: <<199802281626.QAA00302@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Mike Simpson wrote: > > > > Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same > phrases to mean wildly different things, for the double glazing > business the phrase "hand made glass" is what we would call a > leaded panel while "H section" is a particular size of the edge > spacer that they use in the sealed units. By the way, is there an > equivalent name for "sealed unit double glazing" in the U.S.? > > > > Now all that is left is to find if the customer is happy. > > Mike Simpson. > Mike, Most flat glass shops call them triple glazed thermal units, or triple glazed sealed units. I have always called them a pain in the .......... With all the "concern for quality" that I detect in your posts, I know you'll make the customer happy! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 09:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Etching tempered glass .... with anything but a logo! Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:53:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.35334.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to say thanks for all the replies to my question about etching tempered glass. I am not in the business of tempering glass so I certainly am not comfortable etching a logo on the certifies that glass has been tempered. Which seemed to be the primary emphasis to the replies. I do want to see these panels, however, because if I suspect that this contractor is doing something unethical, I think others should know about it. Don, at Stnglsgrn , provided me with a URL that proved incredibly informative. It's at www.ppg.com/. Check it out, it discusses sandblasting tempered glass, testing for internal stresses, fabrication and installation requirements, all kinds of stuff! Thanks, Don, for the URL! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 09:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:05:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:04:32 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: reply all" on Feb 28, 0:41, dodgestudio@juno.com writes:] > >> What I do is hit the reply all button, > > I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to > automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into > an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will > not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, > she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. > > Am I wrong? The reply all button send to all recipients of the original message. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 10:12:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:34:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy writing? Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.63322.0> Precedence: bulk You should contact the following for copyright forms: Library of Congress Publications Section LM-455 Register of Copyrights Library of Congress Washington, D.C. 20559-6000 Public Info. Copyright Office (202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100 It is actually a simple procedure. Christie A. Wood (who has copyrighted several musical pieces) Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 10:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:58:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1 To: gjr@bungi.com, chick@cyberg8t.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:56:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar1.165616.0> Precedence: bulk We will be exhibiting at the Glass Craft Expo! Stop by and say hello! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 10:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sleepy.ebtech.net!proffire From: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net To: glass@bungi.com, glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lamp bases Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:52:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199803011753.MAA18051@sleepy.ebtech.net> Precedence: bulk > > Subject: Re: lamp bases > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:25:53 -0500 > > Also, for those of us in Ontario, there is another cost > consideration - and that is CSA approval. Any electrical product you > buy from an Ontario retailer has to have gone through the Canadian > Safety Association (I think that's what it stands for) Inspection. > Good point Sarah re Canadian Standards Association certification. What about if i use an old lamp base but use new lamp parts, cords etc that have the CSA Cert. Will tat comply with the intent of the law? I sure agree with the McKenna's Daniel, look for garage sales then if its ok use new electrical parts. Now that i think of it i may just check that out with a neighbor who worked for Ontario Hydro. Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Corunna, Ontario ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 10:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:54:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: dodgestudio@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:50:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.75052.0> References: <<1998Feb27.19414.0>> Precedence: bulk dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: > > >> What I do is hit the reply all button, > >LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button > >now I > >won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong > >people. > > I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to > automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into > an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will > not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, > she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. > > Am I wrong? > > Gary Dodge > > _____________________________________________________________________ it might vary from browsers, but in netscape re:all is to say: bungi and the person who wrote it. the person who wrote it gotes first on the line. and bungi would go second. in order to send it to bungi you would need to specifally cut and paste the bungi line, (for some reason my save addresses does'nt work). it's easier to do re:all even though you'll get the same message 2-3 times. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 11:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:25:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Copy writing? - Info Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980301132501.006983a0@mail.clis.com> References: <<1998Mar1.63322.0>> Precedence: bulk At 11:33 AM 3/1/98 -0500, Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: >You should contact the following for copyright forms: >Library of Congress >Publications Section LM-455 >Register of Copyrights >Library of Congress >Washington, D.C. 20559-6000 >Public Info. Copyright Office >(202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100 > >It is actually a simple procedure. >Christie A. Wood (who has copyrighted several musical pieces) >Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Christie, Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea what the cost might be? Dava glassurgeon@clis.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 11:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:26:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: skymax.net!m112 From: To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Search Engines Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:26:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I saw your web site on the internet. I work for a company that submits web sites to search engines. We can submit your web site to over 350 of the worlds best search engines for only $39.95! If you would like to put your web site in the fast lane and get more hits, call our 800# or see our web page for more information. We are a U.S. based company that does business worldwide. Sincerely, Michael Davidson (800) 484-2621 X5568 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 13:42:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:58:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: websourcecreations.com!admin From: "WebSource Creations" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Copy writing? - Info Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:56:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.55633.0> Precedence: bulk Just to let you know, you can access all of the copyright forms online at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ . Chad Kemmerlin Premiere Decorative Glass Boulder, CO admin@premieredecorative.com >At 11:33 AM 3/1/98 -0500, Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: >>You should contact the following for copyright forms: >>Library of Congress >>Publications Section LM-455 >>Register of Copyrights >>Library of Congress >>Washington, D.C. 20559-6000 >>Public Info. Copyright Office >>(202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 14:28:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:30:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bungi Bios Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.102934.0> Precedence: bulk Ever since reading Valerie's mini- autobiography, I've been thinking that I kind of like those personal statements and would like to see some more from other people. = However, I also see the need to have some ground rules about sticking to the subject at hand: glass. But, can we set up a monthly or weekly bio posting? Someone like Albert, who has been with bungi forever, could post his bio then select another bungian who would post within a certain time frame. Then they would select the = next and so on. We would have the = option of refusing, of course. Something like this would also be a nice addition to Common Ground:Glass, don't you = think? = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 15:28:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:53:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: lamp bases Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:52:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.115238.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: Sarah, INTERNET:glass@eagle.ca DATE: 3/1/98 12:34 PM RE: Copy of: Re: lamp bases How about a trade with a potter whose pottery you really like? Ask him to make two ceramic lamp bases and you'll make two glass shades. Then each of you = ends up with a really nice = original lamp - for "free". = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 15:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:10:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: protecting fingers Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:06:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980301100458.1cdf4f4e@sol.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk And further more if you are allergic to latex (like me) they don't make you break out (though I think they are a little less stretchy, and don't last quite as long. Meg At 10:29 PM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >I thought if I sent this without the original message everyone would >still understand. To protect myself from the burning flux and hot solder >I use nitrile gloves. They are blue and really fit like a second skin. I >find I can feel things really well with them and most of the time I >hardly know I am wearing them. I buy mine from Houston Stained Glass, >but I know some commercial industrial places have them. They are made by >a company called Best. They cost a little more than latex, but to me, >it is well worth the price. > Nadine > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 16:14:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:52:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lamp bases Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:52:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.65238.0> Precedence: bulk I would certainly suggest you do NOT wire/re-wire any bases you may think of re-selling. I would also be a good idea to check with current electrical codes and specifications for "portable" lamps. If a major problem arises (fire or electrocution non-fatal maybe worse than fatal) from a mis-wired base the solicitors/lawyers could cause you enough grief to "ruin your day" for the rest of your natural life and even for your/born and un-born children and their lives as well. Most of the "acceptable" to USA standards probably meet Canada standards as well. Most of the bases come from china and I am not sure if they bear he parts approved, assembly approved or any underwriters approval. They are sold by reliable distributors, however. When I require the use of one of my antique bases, I have a LICENSED electrician re-wire and check it for me. Always err on the side of caution!!!!!!!!! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 16:28:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:17:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:18:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.71848.0> Precedence: bulk I have a bio in my url.....it is primarily slanted for selling my shades, however. There is a lot more history to many of us and (bite my tongue) it may even be fun to peruse if we have that option....I for one do not want to see epistles of text strewn to us all without an option not to get it. And of course, repeated on and on and on and on and so forth! I do trade stories, exaggerations, and whimsy now, but ONLY by request and only to specific victims with trepidation, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 17:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:36:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199803020034.AAA23293@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, I like the idea! How about 1 a week (I believe there are currently approx 400 Bunginians), that should keep us going for a few years....;-) I might even offer to set up & keep organised a Bungi-Bio-archive. I myself liked Valerie's Bio tremendeously; I have also "hung-onto" glimpses of a few other people that have struck a chord with me one way or another. And 1/week I think is a good balance to be accepted by eveybody. Allowances to be made - of course - for the "First-Ever-Email" from a Bungi-Newbie, where they do tend to start off with a chunky bit of "Who Am I" (which I think is both polite, inspiring and useful). It's a question of a) if everybody agrees and b) who should set the ball rolling...... I also think it's an excellent idea that the first contributor nominates the second, the second the third... and so on. A quick check first via private e-mail would ensure that the next "nominee" is agreeable. When yes, the contributor can then end his/her contributions with the words. "I nominate X for the next Bio". If the nominee refuses point blank, ask someone else off-group. Blushes spared.... etc. How about numbering them, in case if someone's system "crashes" and they have lost out on someone they particularly wanted to hear about?? More ideas?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who knows very well who HIS friends are!!) Dani wrote: Ever since reading Valerie's mini-autobiography, I've been thinking that I kind of like those personal statements and would like to see some more from other people. = However, I also see the need to have some ground rules about sticking to the subject at hand: glass. But, can we set up a monthly or weekly bio posting? Someone like Albert, who has been with bungi forever, could post his bio then select another bungian who would post within a certain time frame. Then they would select the = next and so on. We would have the = option of refusing, of course. Something like this would also be a nice addition to Common Ground:Glass, don't you = ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 17:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:37:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: non-sg...To PJ Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199803020034.AAA23296@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear PJ, Have spent 2 days trying to send you an e-mail Your server seem to be "kaputt" or something. My system tells me it will continue to try for 5 days. Every 4 hours I get a non-delivery message. Hope to catch up with you eventually. My Best Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. Thanks folks for your patience.... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 21:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 14:55:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan7.85535.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to volunteer my services to store the Bios. I have plenty of space on my hard drive and would willingly add another if needed. There should be rules set down from the start to protect the member. For Example: Information to be used only for the group Information not to be used in a commercial endeavor, unless approved by the originator. etc, etc, etc. As the robot in "Short Circuit" film says " Input .... Input .... Input". Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 21:46:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:24:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lamp bases Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >> Also, for those of us in Ontario, there is another cost >> consideration - and that is CSA approval. Any electrical product you >> buy from an Ontario retailer has to have gone through the Canadian >> Safety Association (I think that's what it stands for) Inspection. >> > >Good point Sarah re Canadian Standards Association certification. >What about if i use an old lamp base but use new lamp parts, cords >etc that have the CSA Cert. Will tat comply with the intent of the >law? > >I sure agree with the McKenna's Daniel, look for garage sales then if >its ok use new electrical parts. Now that i think of it i may just >check that out with a neighbor who worked for Ontario Hydro. > >Doug Scale >Fire Creations in Glass >Corunna, Ontario >From my understanding, if an item is hand made, such as a stained glass lamp which is swagged, then the consumer purchases it as such. But if an item is manufactured, such as a lampbase, a soldering iron, a grinder, etc..then the customer has an expectation of sound manufacture, and certified wiring. Canadian business owners should be aware of this certification requirement, because the consequences of selling uncertified products are VERY severe. The fines are huge and they can even close down your business. The hydro inspectors don't have much of a sense of humor about these things. Also, if you import goods which have electrical components and you don't have them CSA approved and you sell them and they prove defective, start a fire, or whatever, you can be held liable, and I'm not sure if your insurance will cover it. To get around this, you will sometimes see unwired lampbases with wiring sold separately that the customer assembles themselves, this is no problem. In case you were wondering why rheostats, Inland soldering irons and most other cheap irons aren't available in Canada, it's because they won't pass the CSA approval process - it is much stricter than the US safety requirements. Be careful! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 21:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:21:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.42134.0> Precedence: bulk Hey! That sounds like a peach of an idea!! (by the way, I thought Toby was Elizabeths husband!) τΏτ Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 22:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:32:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re:Another question Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:30:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.43017.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I have almost finished one of 2 panels that are to recessed into ceiling. I still have to put zinc border on, and the rebar. I will be putting black patina on the solder, what about the border? I know it will be behind moulding when it is put up, but would it look more professional if I colored it also? Any tips for cutting the zinc border and the rebar? Thanks guys, Susan P.S. still waiting on blue glass for background of giraffe. I'm dreading all the foiling etc. for that one! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 23:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:34:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.143437.0> Precedence: bulk How about setting up in alphabetical order. We can input as we see fit and easy enough to sort that way. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 00:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:40:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: balloch@netbridge.net Subject: Re: glass with tile Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.213725.0> References: <<1998Jan28.154853.0>>> Precedence: bulk We actually have one of our patterns (a fruit basket design) that is designed specifically to incorporate into a tile backsplash. Gary Dodge dodgestudio.com P.S. Thanks to all who helped me understand the function of the reply all button. Now I can stop typing "glass@bungi.com! On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:45:04 -0800 Shirley Balloch writes: >How about making your own tile back splash with stained glass and >Mosasic Stone Cement. The stuff they are selling to make coasters >with. >It looks and acts like tile. You could carry your theme over into the >back splash. Then for some extra accents, make a couple of trivets to >go with that. >As for using the coasters as tile, I have been trying to find that >out. >But maybe a few set in with regular tile, at places that would not get >alot of use. > > > > >ace wrote: >> >> re doing our kitchen, would like to have some stained glass >incorperated >> with the tile .have never attemped anything like this before . open >to >> suggestions. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 00:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: sgt@glasstreasures.com Subject: Re: reply all Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.211620.0> References: <<1998Feb27.145840.0>>> Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, Starting to get it. I just hit reply all and noticed that I can see a list of where it's going! Oddly, it seems to be sending one to me and one to bungi in the cc: list. I don't keep an address book at all so I'm not really familiar with these things. Gary On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:27:50 -0600 Stephanie Hansen writes: >Ummmm....sorry, Gary, you're wrong. :-) The "reply all" button only >means it will reply to all people/lists who were listed in the FROM, >TO or >CC boxes of the message you were replying to. For instance, I hit >"reply >all" to your message, and now in my TO box it's going to your address >(because you were the FROM in your message) and the list (because it >was >the TO in your message). If you had done a "reply all" to, say, a >message >from Albert, your message would have been FROM you, TO Albert, and TO >the >list....and if I then hit "reply all" to your message, mine would show >as >being TO you, TO Albert and TO the list. > >Clear as mud? > >:-) >Steph ~ > >At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: >>I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button >is to >>automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put >into >>an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group >will >>not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the >book, >>she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. >> >>Am I wrong? > > > >----------------------------------- >Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX >Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use >Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 00:48:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:57:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply all Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.204655.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk So Glenna, Does this mean that hitting reply all will send to everyone on bungi directly without the system remailing it and adding a second tag line to it? Gary >dodgestudio@juno.com writes:] >> >> What I do is hit the reply all button, > >> >> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button >is to >> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put >into >> an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group >will >> not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the >book, >> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. >> >> Am I wrong? > >The reply all button send to all recipients of the original message. > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 03:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 03:04:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:15:49 -0600 Message-ID: <199803021103.FAA05384@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >How about setting up in alphabetical order. >We can input as we see fit and easy enough to sort that way. I like that idea! Len Zyzinski ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 04:18:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 03:27:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:31:15 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.33115.0> Precedence: bulk Dr Pishu R. Thadhani 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755 Fax: +607-7733313 E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my Hi, Could someone give a review of the two foilers. I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the ....... Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you. Thanks, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 05:46:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:10:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:03:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199803021310.NAA27119@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Nope! He's my sleeping partner! (HE sleeps a lot!) Lord & Master over all he surveys, including me.... (All would have been revealed, had you had a peep on my WEB-page, Susan!!) Alphabetical order... hmm, an idea Howard! Could be a bit erratic: Is it H for Howard, R for Rubin or W for Weaver, or perhaps E for Elaine?? And what about the pseudonymns? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Susan wrote: Hey! That sounds like a peach of an idea!! (by the way, I thought Toby was Elizabeths husband!) _+_ ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 07:18:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:25:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.14250.0> Precedence: bulk We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project. What if we all sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week? That way no one has to scramble to write one on a particular week when it may or may not be a convenient thing to do and there would be a coordinator to keep things going smoothly. If that person was running low on bios to post, a simple word to the group should remind everyone and bring on plenty more. Just a thought. Seemed less hectic and scattered. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 07:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:37:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.43740.0> Precedence: bulk A question by "Shakeel Abedi" (Dr Pishu R. Thadhani) concerning foilers. I own a Glastar foiler and LOVE it. Can't say enough good about it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 08:19:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:35:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Shiela Dunn To: CWWSLW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Another question Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 07:36:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.233634.0> References: <<1998Mar2.43017.0>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, CGA Precedence: bulk CWWSLW wrote: I use a dremel type tool with reinforced cutting disks to cut zinc. Fast and easy. Shiela > Hi all. > I have almost finished one of 2 panels that are to recessed into ceiling. I > still have to put zinc border on, and the rebar. I will be putting black > patina on the solder, what about the border? I know it will be behind moulding > when it is put up, but would it look more professional if I colored it also? > Any tips for cutting the zinc border and the rebar? > Thanks guys, > Susan > P.S. still waiting on blue glass for background of giraffe. I'm dreading all > the foiling etc. for that one! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 08:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:37:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: quick set cement Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:37:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.153719.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-27 19:57:47 EST, you write: > The flat side of glass globs are on the walking surface as opposed to marbles > that do not have a flat side. Well not really.... in this stone, as I saw in another I put the rounded side to the top, it gives it a dimension, as you see just a small area on top but the glow of the remaining stone buried under the cement is really very interesting. The total amount peering out of the stone is about 1/4" and that is only showing after you dig away at it a bit, deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 08:53:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:44:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.22447.0> References: <<1998Mar3.33115.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk I use 2 separate Inland Edgemaster foiling machines which are permanently set up for use according to the size of the foil. I've screwed them down to my counter top in a nice bright corner of the studio where noone bumps into the arms hanging over the counter. When they aren't in use (mostly during tax time and my January vacation!) I place a great big freezer bag over them and run a fat broccoli rubber band around the bottom to keep the foil from getting too exposed. One is just 1/4" foils, and the other is just 7/32" foils. Once in a blue moon I also use my Glastar hand foilers, of which I own one 3/16", one 7/32", & one 1/4". I had to remodel my Edgemaster foilers back to the design of the original Edgemasters by getting rid of the little doohickeys that you're supposed to run the glass through to align it on the wheels. They were made to be flipped up/back if one did not wish to use it, but I NEVER use them and they kept getting in the way! So I undid the screw at the center of the arm, lifted up the top piece with the alignment rigs hinged to it, and slid the alignment guides completely off their little hinge pins. I then took an emery board (fingernail file) and gently filed the paper-separation guides down a bit and VERY slightly rounded them so that they no longer tear or wrinkle up the foil while separating it from it's backing paper. Voila! Back to the original Edgemaster design, or at least close enough to work well... Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- Shakeel Abedi wrote: > Could someone give a review of the two foilers. > I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the ....... > Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you. > Thanks, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 09:14:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:46:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: white lines and bevels, the saga continues Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Something I am still trying to make sense of, especially since a lot > of terminology is "imported" from other English speaking countries > and take on yet ANOTHER different meaning.... :-( Your comment reminded me of an experience I had that parallels your question: A friend of mine and I were visiting some German friends in their home in Berlin (I lived there for three years in the early 60s). The family parakeet was flying around the house. We were all just sitting around chatting. Suddenly, the bird let fly and the hostess looked alarmed. "He missed," I muttered in English, since the bird had been just above me at the time. The hostess' expression changed to one of shock and detestation. I didn't realize why until later, when my German vocabulary had expanded beyond what I'd learned in my high school classes: "missed" sounds like "mist" ... and "mist" is the German word for (no offense ) ka-ka. Very crude word, true, but I was totally innocent. Funny, they never invited us back, now that I think of it. > Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same > phrases to mean wildly different things It may be interesting to know that the meaning and "social acceptability" of certain glass descriptions has changed. A hundred years ago "art glass" was a derogatory term, referring to the low-end windows and door lights available from Sears Roebuck and other outlets like lumber yards. Nowadays, it's the preferred phrase for high-end products. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 09:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copy writing? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:04:42 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Will someone tell me where to get info on the procedure and price of copy > writing patterns? Dava, under current copyright law, anything you create is copyrighted the instant you make it. It isn't necessary to write "Copyright 1998 Dana [Last Name]," although that makes the fact of its copyright a little more clear to those who don't know the law. If you write "Copyright (c) 1998 Dana [Last Name]," you've made the copyright effective internationally under the Berne Convention. If you want to register the copyright, the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress will send you the forms, which you send in with the $20 fee. (I think it's $20.) The Library of Congress has a web site. You can sue anyone for copying your work whether the copyright is registered or not. If it isn't registered and your copyright is upheld, they can be forced to cease copying your work. If your copyright is registered, you can also collect damages. Hope this is helpful. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 09:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:25:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: SusieHUs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:28:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.42819.0> References: <<1998Mar2.14250.0>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Hey, I second this idea! I would love to learn more about everyone here, but I'd like think that everyone will be able to put something together at their leisure, rather than throwing something together at the last moment. Just my thoughts, Mike Peck SusieHUs wrote: > > We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project. What if we all > sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week? That way no one has > to scramble to write one on a particular week when it may or may not be a > convenient thing to do and there would be a coordinator to keep things going > smoothly. If that person was running low on bios to post, a simple word to > the group should remind everyone and bring on plenty more. > > Just a thought. Seemed less hectic and scattered. > > Susie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 10:39:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803021802.NAA01780@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk >So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind >of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't >want something very expesive (what about under US$20). For my first lamp, I took an old lamp I had at the house and removed the shade and just made sure to pick the right size lamp shape and hardware when I made the lamp. The base was wood and sure it didn't come out at great looking as with a regular stain glass base but it gave me a quick and cheap way to see the mistakes I made. After that, the other bases I have used have been either ones from flea markets (which have some great interesting bases but the world's most awful looking shades) or smaller ones that come from craft stores. If I ever make one on commission or for a special gift, I will spring for the expensive bases but otherwise I didn't think it was worth it. Theresa ps - just make sure to check and recheck the wiring on any ones you get at the flea market! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 11:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.181249.0> References: <<1998Mar3.33115.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Mar3.33115.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes >Dr Pishu R. Thadhani >104, Jalan Mersing >86000 Kluang >Malaysia >Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755 Fax: +607-7733313 >E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my > > >Hi, > >Could someone give a review of the two foilers. > >I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the ....... > >Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you. > What I say is "don't waste your money". Except for straight lines, hand foiling is just a quick and acurate. the only thing is your fingers may get more sore (until the calluses form) than with a foiler. You can have my foiler free, if you want to pay the postal charges from Glasgow, Scotland. Nah. It's not worth it! :-) Only my view, of course S -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 11:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:15:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: numbering Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:13:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.181310.0> Precedence: bulk I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns. Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a psychiatric break....... Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 11:42:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:03:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:02:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.18232.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-01 19:29:14 EST, you write: > I for one do not want to see > epistles of text strewn to us all without an option not to get it. > And of course, repeated on and on and on and on and so forth! > I do trade stories, exaggerations, and whimsy now, but ONLY by request and > only to specific victims > > with trepidation, H > See Howard let us all know a little more about himself just by this small post in which he wants us to believe that he is a serious person. But we all know he has a heart AND a sense of humor. And I haven't even been on bungi very long but I can get the feel of his personality from his posts deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 11:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass with tile Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:02:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.18233.0> Precedence: bulk I worry about using glass on the counter tops, we ALL have the habit of putting hot pots and pans on the counter even though we shouldn't, the tile can usually handle the heat but I'm not sure the glass could. I guess that's a question. to be safe the idea of putting the glass on the splash board and as trivets (but not for hot things) sounds like a good idea. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 12:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:29:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stepping stone question Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:26:39 -0500 Message-ID: <199803021920.OAA06947@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I have made several stepping stones in the past with great success. Now I made one (8" x 8") where the mortar mix, I suppose, was still too wet when I took it out of the form. Result: 3 glass pieces came off as well as a chunk of the cement. Is there a way to fix it or am I stuck with a broken stepping stone. I was thinking of mixing a little topping and try to reattach the glass to the mortar, but that doesn't seem to be a long-lasting solution. Thanks in advance for any tips. Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 12:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, shakeel@tm.net.my Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:32:38 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I like my Glasstar, if only because it does a nice job of pulling the backing off of the foil and getting it out of the way, and it keeps the roll from coming unrolled. I notice that I will use it for medium sized pieces, inside curves and some rounded pieces, but for those really odd shapes and small pieces, I just pull the foil off the foiler and foil by hand. I've dropped several pieces trying to get them around the foiler, too. Now about that little thing that comes with it that is supposed to burnish the foil to the glass for you...I find it makes a perfect paper weight for keeping patterns from moving around. Other than that, I can't find a use for it. I tried using it as suggested, and found that it did a really superb job of pulling the foil off. Could someone give a review of the two foilers. I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the ....... Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 13:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:00:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.95924.0> Precedence: bulk And, if Patrick has space to store the bios, maybe it should be his great honor to pick 'em every week! And maybe we could count on the oldtimers like Len Z.(!), Elisabeth, pj friend, Albert, etc. to start the ball rolling. And Lee Boe, and Carol Swann has a great bio! Gosh, I can think of a lot of folks on bungi that are pretty darn interesting! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 13:09:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:59:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.95931.0> Precedence: bulk Len, you nut! MY suggestion is that all the old dawgs post their bios first, and I imagine that puts you about at the top of the list! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 13:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:31:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Fw: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 14:23:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Mar2.222311.0> References: <<41bd7851.34fb0eb7@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk > << What if we all sent our bios to one person who then posts one each= week? > That way no one has to scramble to write one on a particular week when= it > may or may not be a convenient thing to do and there would be a coordi= nator > to keep things going smoothly. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I like this one! And thanks Susie! > Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 14:08:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: My bio Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:56:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199803022055.OAA23905@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Folks, I 'm having a hell of a problem with my PC and it looks like I'll have to restore my hard drive . I have no idea how much I'll be able to recover or how long it will take to be back up to speed. So I am posting a bio which is more or less resume'.-like some of this is a copy of what I exchanged with Don McDonald and its pretty rough but you'll get the idea. I'm doing it now in case I lose it. I grew up in Brooklyn NY.... my stepfather was a sadist. I ran away from home alot and quit school when I was 16. Joined the army at 17. Spent a couple of great years in the German alps.I was stationed in Oberammergau and I was a dental assistant with a light scheduale. The dentist I worked with was a skier and so was I. We ski bummed all over Europe. Came home a budding counter-culture type. Friend and I took off for S.F. on motorcycles in the *summer of love* Got to Wisconsin and we crashed into each other after riding all night. He was all broken up and was in traction for 3 months..........I scraped my knee. ..... I immediately fell in love with the Mississippi River Valley met some people, found out that I could go to the local State College on the GI bill (already had my GED) and still have money left over. Nine bucks a credit !!!. Met my wife ( a local girl ) been married 29 years 2 sons 17 and 26 live in a little 1400 sg ft ...100 years old house just a good 8 iron shot from the river in a town of 900. After I quit glass ( psoriac arthritis) I tried some different stuff and decided on a new business........ die cut ,shot run, custom image products for the advertising specialties, educational and souvenier markets...... Always wanted to run a factory ( why I'll never know) and will soon be on line. One summer while I was off from attending college, I applied at a local church studio that was looking for repair roadies. I got hired. It was a great experience for me since I loved to travel and I did plenty of it. It wasn't long before I was hooked. I left school and went to work there full time. This was a very traditional studio and I did a full apprentiship. Started out sweeping the floor and unloading glass crates, moved into the mud room, worked up to production cutting and glazing. Then some glass picking and a bit of cartooning. I also spent some time on job sites. After a few years, a position opened up for a new window installer I took it and spent the next five years on the road hanging off very tall ladders and walking around on scaffolding. I was the boss When our second child was born I wanted to get off the road and go back into the studio but it was not to be. I quit and opened up a studio with two friends with plenty of glass experience... we were just starting to make a go of it when the biz was destroyed by fire ...we were not properly insured and never re-opened I went back on the road.......... this time as an independent troubleshooter, restorer and installer. I could control my schedule this way and make more money. A few years go by. I ran into this guy that loved glass and wanted to start a glass factory to make sheet art glass and other glass stuff . We made dalles and blown and cast pieces as well. I jumped on it. I invested as a partner... we made some really neat glass for a few years. I won't bore you with the details but we went elfoldo and I took a financial beating. During this period I had begun to do a little window designing and became fixated with the creative process. I am self taught. I studied everthing I could get my hands on about SG . Read tons of design and color theory stuff. Studied the works of the masters. Read Albert's magazines :-) Made hundreds of sketches. So about 10 years ago I became an independant designer- fabricator working out of a home studio. I knew lots of folks in big church studios and they referred clients to me on a regular bases to do commissions they were not interested in. I had no sign, and did no advertising. It was all word of mouth and referrels From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 14:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: full of questions Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.105720.0> References: <<1998Mar2.14250.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am a newbie (as you will be able to tell from my stupid questions below ) and I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape. Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 14:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Mosfunland Subject: Re: numbering Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.211951.0> References: <<1998Mar2.181310.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Mar2.181310.0@?>, Mosfunland writes >I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns. >Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a >psychiatric break....... > Maureen I try to number mine in the order I intend to build the panel, box, etc. I often find that a better order comes to mind while I am leading-up though. s. -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 14:48:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:15:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: numbering Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:11:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.121142.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Maureen- We number our pattern pieces according to the glass that's = being used. For example, pieces #1-18 might be blue water glass for the border, pieces 19-42 glue chip for the background, and so forth. That way we're cutting all the pieces of one kind of glass before we move on to the next. We use a glass easel that allows us to view the glass as we finish cutting the pieces, arranged as per the = pattern, and this allows us to choose and adjust throughout the cutting process. Hope this helps! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 15:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: jnl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: full of questions Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.123813.0> References: <<1998Mar2.105720.0>> Precedence: bulk jnl wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am a newbie (as you will be able to tell from my stupid questions > below ) and I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making > cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I > taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with > instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another > question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a > triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run > right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape. > > Lisa > ---- > i'm not sure about the cabinet doors. the triangle notch: it depends how large, a bandsaw is the only real way to go. the proper way is to make a relief cut at the point of the triangle. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 15:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:17:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: patina and putty Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803022216.RAA24010@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >that lead good with a nice wad of >horsehair! > And do you have a local supplier for the horsehair? Could use there number as there a no horses in the neighborhood. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 15:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:53:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199803022251.WAA08820@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, it would seem that Patrick Kelly has hust been appointed (by default) as the Bungi Biographer!!! In any case, I think he has got more room on his hard-drive than I have (in any case, I'm sure he is far less of a computer-geek than I am). So Mr. Kelly, over to YOU! Where to begin?! And don't take ANY nonsence from Mr. Len Alcamo (aka Len Z.) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Susie wrote: We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project. What if we all sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week? That way no one has to scramble to write one on a particular week when it may or may not be a convenient thing to do and there would be a coordinator to keep things going smoothly. If that person was running low on bios to post, a simple word to the group should remind everyone and bring on plenty more. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 15:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:54:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Missed! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199803022251.WAA08823@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, Now you know why a particular Model of the Rolls Royce, destined for marketing in Germany, didn't quite had the initial success as the company had hoped for. The Model Name was "Silver Mist". And of course, to go AWOL in UK is called to "Take French Leave". The French, took their revenge and call it "To Take English Leave"; Ahh, it's endless (and endless fun!). Elisabeth (in her "other" hat) Albert wrote: Your comment reminded me of an experience I had that parallels your question: A friend of mine and I were visiting some German friends in their home in Berlin (I lived there for three years in the early 60s). The family parakeet was flying around the house. We were all just sitting around chatting. Suddenly, the bird let fly and the hostess looked alarmed. "He missed," I muttered in English, since the bird had been just above me at the time. The hostess' expression changed to one of shock and detestation. I didn't realize why until later, when my German vocabulary had expanded beyond what I'd learned in my high school classes: "missed" sounds like "mist" ... and "mist" is the German word for (no offense ) ka-ka. Very crude word, true, but I was totally innocent. Funny, they never invited us back, now that I think of it. > Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same > phrases to mean wildly different things It may be interesting to know that the meaning and "social acceptability" of certain glass descriptions has changed. A hundred years ago "art glass" was a derogatory term, referring to the low-end windows and door lights available from Sears Roebuck and other outlets like lumber yards. Nowadays, it's the preferred phrase for high-end products. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 16:23:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:45:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Fw: My bio part 2 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:45:48 -0600 Message-ID: <199803022344.RAA16054@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Things are getting very strange......I sent out the bio post and only part of it made it. Here is the rest of it FWIW. My computer is sick. Partial emails going out.... fonts locking up..... cdrom driver up and dissapeared.....PaperPort files scrambled. I think I'm going down :-(( >Anyway I did a few major commissions locally.... attracted the attention >of some architects and such, did a few more what I thought were >significant pieces but I never quite made the >big time. We thought briefly about about moving out to the west coast to try >and * make it* I never regreted not going though.....we are very happy with >our lifestyle.... just a couple of small town folk. I don't even know where >the key is to lock the house. Its the kind of peace of mind you can't buy. > >So I just continued on with mostly residential stuff in high buck homes >until I quit business in '97 . I loved every minute of it. > >Well thats more then enough.. I did not really bare my soul... lucky for >you all... that would take a bottle of good Merlot in a smokey room late at >night. > >Len > > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 16:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:51:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wscc.edu!smankin From: Susan Mankin To: pkelly ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980302104014.007bb9b0@wscc.edu> References: <<1980Jan7.85535.0>> Precedence: bulk Bios are a great idea! I have been lurking, sort of, Since Dec. when I got this new computer and new to the craft as well. Thanks for all the great info fello Bunginians!! Susan At 02:55 PM 1/7/80 -0600, pkelly wrote: >I would like to volunteer my services to store the Bios. I have plenty >of space on my hard drive and would willingly add another if needed. > >There should be rules set down from the start to protect the member. >For Example: > >Information to be used only for the group >Information not to be used in a commercial endeavor, unless approved by >the originator. >etc, etc, etc. > >As the robot in "Short Circuit" film says " Input .... Input .... >Input". > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows to all > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 17:03:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:10:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copy writing? - Info Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:07:51 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea what the cost might be? It's $20. per work of art you're registering ... all the info's at http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ40 a page on the Library of Congress' web site called "Copyright Registration for Works of the Visual Arts." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 17:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: jnl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: full of questions Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:09:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.11942.0> References: <<1998Mar2.105720.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Lisa, First I'll address the triangular notch question. It sounds as if you were going to place a square bevel into the corner of a rectangular panel, (and even if you aren't let's use it as an example anyhow, k?) It would need to go something like this: _____ ____ | | | Okay, the first major problem | |____| that you're going to have will be ------- that bottom left inside corner. It | WANTS to break into the larger glass | to relieve the pressure in the glass at such a sharp cut, (hence Mr. Savad's unexplained term "relief cut".) An example of a BETTER way to provide the relief withOUT the stress threatening cracks would be to provide a cut like this: _____ ____ \ | | | only more of a 45 degree angle than I can \| |____| show on the computer, if you get my drift? \------- This would provide you with two 45/45/90 \ | triangles which would fit up against the \ | original larger glass to form the necessary place for the square bevel. Personally, I prefer to do a same-width border in a cabinet panel instead as this would butt up flat against the sides of the square and allow me to use some special glass in smaller quantities which can enhance the pattern or the contents of the cabinet if I'm using clear textures for the pattern glass. Now for the cabinet panel(s) question... What exactly do you need to know? The first suggestion that I would make to you is that you make an EXACT template which you KNOW (by double/triple-checking the fit) fits into ALL the openings that you will have to make panels for. My second recommendation would be for you to have a PERFECTLY square 2 or 3 sided jig in which you will make your panel. Be sure to deduct from the template size to the jig size for whatever type of edge you will be using. If you use zinc came as your edge, you need to know the exact width of the came from the inside (grooved part) to the outside face and the depth at which the glass fits inside of it. You subtract the depth of the groove from the face width, and then subtract THAT from the template size to get your jig size. If you need more clarification on this feel free to ask me, if I've muddled you up even worse that before just hit the delete key and tell me to mind my own doggone cabinet panels! Ciao! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- jnl wrote: > > Hello all, > I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making > cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I > taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with > instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another > question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a > triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run > right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape. > > Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 17:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:22:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.14206.0> References: <<1998Mar3.33115.0>> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk I am fairly new to the craft. However I really feel that my teacher ( master) is very versed in the craft. One of the things he has taught me is to beware of gadgets. He says one can do a better job hand foiling and save the money to buy more glass. As of now I have done several projects (hand foiled)). With a good eye and a steady hand I bet you can do just as good (if not better) than a hand foiler. Don....... Shakeel Abedi wrote: > Dr Pishu R. Thadhani > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755 Fax: +607-7733313 > E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my > > Hi, > > Could someone give a review of the two foilers. > > I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the ....... > > Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you. > > Thanks, > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 17:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:47:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!gerling From: Rex Gerlinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stepping stone question Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980303004156.006815c4@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Daniela, I have no idea if this will work for you, but once I had a stone that cracked in the middle (yikes!) while I was trying to get it out of the mold...(too soon, I suspect) and it worked for me. Put your piece back in the mold....put the dislodged glass pieces back where they belong first and don't forget the contact paper. Now, mix some mortar mix really really thin.....kind of the consistency of gravy. Pour this on top until you have 1/4 inch or however much space you have left in your mold...... If your missing chunck is big, you may need to fill that in with a little bit of thicker mortar first. Now leave it TWICE as long as you think you should!!! In my case the soupy mix worked it's way through....acted like glue on the crack and so far so good. The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. BTW, this made sense to me because if you've ever spilled a little bit of mortar mix on you cement driveway, forgot about it for awhile...and then tried to get it off.....it's close to impossible, so I know it has great adhering properties!!!! Hope this helps! Hazel and The Glass Ladies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 18:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:12:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sleepy.ebtech.net!proffire From: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net To: "Bungi" , "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199803030110.UAA32660@sleepy.ebtech.net> Precedence: bulk > From: "Shakeel Abedi" > To: "Bungi" > Subject: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:31:15 +0800 > Dr Pishu R. Thadhani, > > Could someone give a review of the two foilers. I have used the Glastar for a couple of years and really like it. It did take a while to get used to but now I can foil quite quickly and accurately with it (much quicker than any of the others in a couple of classes I have taken). Of course the purists on this list will tell you that none of them are necessary ;-} Have not used the Edgemaster so can't comment on it. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 18:49:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Mosfunland@aol.com Subject: Re: numbering Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.154910.0> References: <<1998Mar2.181310.0>> Precedence: bulk Maureen, Of course different types of designs call for different numbering schemes, but one of my favorite numbering systems I'll cal l the radial system. I start my numbers at the "one o'clock" position and proceed clockwise around the panel, spiraling in to the center. For symetrical panels I often don't use numbers at all, just letters like "TL" for top left, "TM" for top middle, etc. If there are three four or even five pieces that are all distinct enough from one another they can all still be "TL"! Also popular ........TML for top middle left , and on and on, as long as you can understand it yourself. Gary Dodge On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:13:10 EST Mosfunland writes: >I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns. >Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had >a >psychiatric break....... > >Maureen _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 19:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:01:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Fw: My bio part 2 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:02:18 -0600 Message-ID: <199803030200.UAA04853@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 5:45 PM Subject: Fw: My bio part 2 > > >Things are getting very strange......I sent out the bio post and only part >of it made it. Here is the rest of it FWIW. My computer is sick. Partial >emails going out.... fonts locking up..... cdrom driver up and >dissapeared.....PaperPort files scrambled. I think I'm going down :-(( > > >>Anyway I did a few major commissions locally.... attracted the attention >>of some architects and such, did a few more what I thought were >>significant pieces but I never quite made the >>big time. We thought briefly about about moving out to the west coast to >try >>and * make it* I never regreted not going though.....we are very happy >with >>our lifestyle.... just a couple of small town folk. I don't even know where >>the key is to lock the house. Its the kind of peace of mind you can't buy. >> >>So I just continued on with mostly residential stuff in high buck homes >>until I quit business in '97 . I loved every minute of it. >> >>Well thats more then enough.. I did not really bare my soul... lucky for >>you all... that would take a bottle of good Merlot in a smokey room late >at >>night. >> >>Len >> >> >> >> >> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 19:28:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:05:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: gerling@mindspring.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: stepping stone question Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:01:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar3.2156.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes: << .acted like glue on the crack and so far so good. The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >> This sounds almost too good to be true. I have had only one stone do this but I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it". Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like stunned. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 19:49:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:19:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Photographing SG, FAQ, first installment Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199803030219.VAA21623@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi SGers, I was overwhelmed by the amount of responses I have gotten to my previous requests. This is my way to pay back. In the spirit of the Internet, I am making this a FAQ. This is the first part. I'm very open to suggestions and topics you want covered. I don't make any guarantee on how long it will take me but I'll be finished one day. I am planning to add photos in the future. Please be gentle, remember that English is not my first language :) dmg P.S. I'll be available on the Web at: http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Photographing Stained-Glass, FAQs Daniel M. Germ=E1n Contents o Contents o Introduction o Copyright Notice o Basic equipment o What is the best camera to take photos of SG work? o My budget does not allow me to afford a SLR, what do I do? o I got my camera, what other equipment do I need? Introduction Copyright Notice This FAQ is (C) Copyright 1998 Daniel M. Germ=E1n. This text, in whole or in part, may not be sold in any medium, including, but not limited to electronic, CD-ROM, or published in print, without the explicit, written permission of Daniel M. Germ=E1n. This FAQ can be reproduced and distributed electronically or in hardcopy as long as this is done for free and it is kept intact. If you have any comments about this document, please direct them to dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca. The hypertext version of this FAQ is available at: http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/ Basic equipment What is the best camera to take photos of SG work? The quick answer: a camera that allows you to manually set the exposure t= ime and the apperture. Now the long answer. There are many different types of cameras, however, = we will restrict our discussion to two of them. o ``P&S'' (Point-and-shoot). These cameras, as their name implies, req= uire little from the user to take a photograph: point, then shoot. Many different levels of complexity can be found in these cameras. Some o= f them only have a shutter button, while other might have special mode= s for portraits or scenery photography -to name a few. Some have zooms, so= me don't. o ``SLR'' (Single Lens Reflex). Using a sophisticated system, these ca= meras allow you to see ``through the lens''. What you see in the viewfinde= r is what you camera is going to take. These cameras have dismountable le= nses and vary in the amount of automatization they provide; some are true marvels of technology -autofocus system, eye controled features, to = name a few- while others are totally manual -leaving all decisions to the photographer. Most modern SLRs include a manual mode that still allo= ws its operator overall control over the camera. In order to answer the question of which camera, you need to decide what quality you're expecting from your photos. Almost any camera (P&S or SLR)= will take decent photos. Nonetheless, some cameras will do it better than othe= rs. P&S operate on the premise that most photos people take are ``average''. = A shot of your family during a Christmas party or a photo of your last picn= ic are examples of those situations. A good P&S will only measure the amount= of light that enters its lightmeter (cheap P&S don't even have one) and then decide what is the correct exposure based on the film being used. Recent advances in film technology make P&S very reliable. Unfortunately, SG photos are not ``average''. Glass has to be lighted thr= ough in order to show its beauty. Most cameras get fooled when you take photos= of SG. A typical result is darker than real photos. SLRs are also prone to t= his problem if used in an automatic mode. The lightmeter inside these cameras works very similar to that of high-end P&S, and recomends a value for you= r photo considering your situation as average . In order to properly photog= raph the piece of glass you have in front, you will need to override this recommended value. As we have mentioned before, SLRs usually include a manual mode. They all= ow you to replace the lens so you use the best for your application. They le= t you see exactly what the negative is going to record. These features make the= m the best option to photograph SG work. My budget does not allow me to afford a SLR, what do I do? Many SLRs (entry level, second hand) are not too expensive, and, in many cases, are cheaper that some P&S. You have to consider how important, for you, your photos are. For many, p= hotos are a portafolio, ready to be shown to potential clients. Bad photos will deteriorate the perception that your costumer might have of your work. You probably have browsed pattern catalogs. Which ones do you normally fi= nd more appealing? It is very likely that those ones with the best photos. If you still think you have to stick to a P&S you can still improve the quality of your photos. Try using a tripod, setting up proper lightning (= see section ...) and pay attention to your framing (see section ...); along with a good camera, these are the three factors that contribute the most to the quality of a good photograph. I got my camera, what other equipment do I need? The list can be endless, and depends on how much you want to expend. o Tripod. Without a question, it is the piece of equipment that will improve your photos the most, the fastest, at the cheapest. A good t= ripod should be heavy and sturdy. Try to avoid those cheap, plastic ones a= s they tend to flex. A good tripod will serve you forever. My personal choice is the Manfrotto 055C (Bogen 3021) with a ball head. o Remote release. Most SLRs have an input for a remote cable-release -= some have a wireless one. This allows you to fire the camera without touc= hing it -hence avoiding shake. They are usually inexpensive. Some cameras= have a timer option. If so, can use it instead of the remote release. o Lens. Almost any lens will do. We will explore the effects of lens c= hoice in your photos later. o Filters. Film does not record the light the way we see it. Film is calibrated for a particular type of light. For instance, the typical= firm you buy for your camera at the drugstore is designed to be user unde= r sunlight or flash light. If you use it under artificial light you wi= ll get a strong colour cast: yellow if the ligth is tungsten, green if = the light is fluorescent. Filters will allow you to compensate this colo= r shift. They are usually inexpensive. o Flashes and strobes. Almost always, a direct flash from the camera w= ill prove useless. You need a flash that you can set away from the camer= a, and, in many cases you'll need at least two. Studio lights can creat= e dramatic effects. All these pieces of equipment will usually be expensive. Don't worry, you can have good results with Sun light. o Incident light meter. Althoght not indispensable, a good incident li= ght meter can give you quick and precise readings of how much light is illuminating your subject. If you're shooting an object which is not transilluminated, this tool will provide you with a good exposure mo= st of the times. Expensive. o Grey card. If you can't afford a light meter, a grey card is a most.= It is, as its name implies, a piece of grey cardboard that you use to estimate the incident light. Inexpensive. Its use will be described later. (see section ...). o Diffusing material. Many panels are not totally opaque and transfer = the shapes and colours of the objects behind. A sheet of difussing mater= ial (drafting paper, white plexiglass, opaque white glass, for example) = will provide a soft, uniform background for your photos. You will need some other tools depending on exactly what you're shooting.= The minimun you need is the camera and a lens, everything is sort of optional= but will certainly improve the quality of your photos. --=20 Daniel M. Germ=E1n "My friends would think I was a nut,=20 Peter Gabriel --> turning water into wine" dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 19:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:19:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!gerling From: Rex Gerlinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stepping stone question Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980303021431.00680f68@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk I know it's crazy, but I swear I can't tell by looking which stone it was! I can't vouch for weather extremes, though....I live in Atlanta, Georgia and it's really not a fair test!! We have had freezing weather this year and we all know how hot it gets...but having grown up in Ohio I know it's still not like extremes of weather other folks get! It has been outside for about 7 or 8 months. I agree it sounds too good to be true and it may have been a weird fluke, but I'd still try it again before I started over! Hazel At 09:01 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes: > ><< .acted like glue on the crack and so far so > good. The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >> > >This sounds almost too good to be true. I have had only one stone do this but >I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it". >Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather >conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like >stunned. > >Lu Ann > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 19:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:01:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:00:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar3.3043.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-02 16:48:30 EST, you write: << What I say is "don't waste your money". Except for straight lines, hand foiling is just a quick and acurate. the only thing is your fingers may get more sore (until the calluses form) than with a foiler. You can have my foiler free, if you want to pay the postal charges from Glasgow, Scotland. Nah. It's not worth it! :-) >> I have to agree...I hhave both and they are stored in a carton gathering dust! The foil comes out crincked and its just not worth the effort. Besides this, they take up valueable workspace. I have found hand foiling to be more "portable" and more accurate. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 20:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: numbering/ used to Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:52:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.115242.0> Precedence: bulk A easy way for symmetrical patterns................ Letter, number, color or whatever code you like. Cut half the pattern out, use it for the half it matches TURN the pattern over and cut the glass again from it. If it is TRULY symmetrical it should match up! Works for right and left hand lamp patterns. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 21:27:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:43:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "Daniel M. German" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Photographing SG, FAQ, first installment Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.164217.0> References: <<199803030219.VAA21623@aries17.uwaterloo.ca>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > In the spirit of the > Internet, I am making this a FAQ. Our fellow SGer Daniel, I am nearly overwhelmed by your kind generosity. Many have forgotten the spirit of the Internet; use what is needed, and leave something useful behind. I, too, have an interest in photography but little knowledge. Your words are a wonderful gift and I feel certain will inspire me to try, try, try again to successfully photograph stained glass. I can hardly wait for the next installment. Thank you! Gee, I may have to set up the darkroom again! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 21:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Web Page? Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:09:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar3.5914.0> Precedence: bulk Why, Elizabeth, I didn't know you had one. Address please? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 22:43:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:52:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stepping stone question Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:51:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.135136.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19980303021431.00680f68@pop.mindspring.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk If you took the stone out when it was still wet and repaired it when it was still wet, then the concrete will bond together. You were lucky that your drying times were still compatible. The longer a concrete cures, the stronger it is. There is a bonding agent for concrete that is cured. But I have only heard about never exerienced it myself. There is a concrete forum http://www.hardscapes.com/board/wwwboard.html It is a great place to ask any question. They are as forth coming and helpful and knowleable as the Bungi group. Rex Gerlinger wrote: > > I know it's crazy, but I swear I can't tell by looking which stone it was! > I can't vouch for weather extremes, though....I live in Atlanta, Georgia and > it's really not a fair test!! We have had freezing weather this year and we > all know how hot it gets...but having grown up in Ohio I know it's still not > like extremes of weather other folks get! It has been outside for about 7 > or 8 months. > > I agree it sounds too good to be true and it may have been a weird fluke, > but I'd still try it again before I started over! > > Hazel > > At 09:01 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes: > > > ><< .acted like glue on the crack and so far so > > good. The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >> > > > >This sounds almost too good to be true. I have had only one stone do this but > >I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it". > >Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather > >conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like > >stunned. > > > >Lu Ann > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 23:22:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:13:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Eronious Date Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:09:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.18952.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry in I caused any incovienence with the wrong date. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.. I seem to be having a problem since my son "fixed it Dad". Thanks. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 2 23:53:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bios Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar2.18307.0> Precedence: bulk I am ready for the onslaught of bios of the best people in the world (and a few stinkers). You can send them to me at "pkelly@n-link.com". What I can do is get some kind of format for the header. For example: Name email Location Professional/Hobbyest Major field of interest (slumping, lamps, etc.) SG Associations member Other interests Number of fingers remaining on right hand after 500 piece project Size of Mother-In-Laws shoes Favorite Obsence Gesture (optional) And then post the remaining bios as written by the author. Permission to post will be assumed when sending bios. I can list the names of the people with bios and post them as I receive them or any other way we like. Any suggestions as to, day to post, something I left out? Heeeeelp Input .... Input .... Input Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS I thought I had learned my lesson about volunteering in 1964 when I joined the US Army. Oh well, I guess I'm just a hard-headed Irishman (isn't that correct Toby) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 06:06:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mailhost.iamerica.net!"flowers@flowers" From: Mike Barr <"flowers@flowers"@iamerica.net> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 07:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199803031328.HAA03970@mailroom.iamerica.net> References: <<1998Mar3.3043.0>> Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk > > I have to agree...I hhave both and they are stored in a carton gathering dust! > The foil comes out crincked and its just not worth the effort. Besides this, > they take up valueable workspace. I have found hand foiling to be more > "portable" and more accurate. ~Alison~ I would have the same feelings about this as Alison from my attempts with the foilers, but four other people in my shop use them a lot, do a good job with them and are much faster with them than hand foiling. It may take some coordination I don't have. Anyway I will continue to not use them, but from watching others use the foilers and getting faster and faster with them I can not say anything bad about them either. Especially as I pay these people by the hour. To get back to the origional question they do prefer the inland edgemaster and the glastar comes in second. Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 07:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:21:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:17:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar3.15172.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for everyones input. We all have pretty similar ways of numbering our patterns it seems...(until my other personality does the numbering....lol). I have never tried one of the mega-piece lamps, only panels. Maybe I'll get one of the docs to write me a prescription for xanax and place the number for psyhic healing on speed-dial before I ever attempt one of them.....I was very intimidated by the patterns for them. A while ago someone recommended using x-ray (exposed and blank...lol) films for patterns. I have been doing this and love them, thanks for the great idea. A respiratory therapist I work with opened up a snap together soft clear plastic oxygen hood for a small infant, since we didn't need it and it would have been trashed I brought it home and stuck my grinder inside of it. It even has a flap to keep it closed....keeps the work area free from "flotsam". I have recycled little formula plastic bottles that come in their own little rack system....I tilt it on its side...put a little flux in one bottle and store the brush in the other...never spills and I can recap it when I am finished. People give me some strange looks when I start saying Ooooo I can use this..... I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't figured out how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess. Thanks again Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 08:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:25:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bios Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:24:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199803031524.HAA04763@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hmmm...looks like we're going in reverse alphabetical order (Z to A), starting with Len Zyz...! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 09:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:26:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: UK suppliers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:19:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199803031624.QAA03743@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear UK Bunginians, List was supposed to reach you around Christmas.... :-( Addressing envelopes RIGHT NOW!! Have 8 people on my UK mailing list: David Outram, Elizabeth Law, Mike Simpson, Steve Richard, Jerry Cullingford, Jill Blackall, Tony & Barbara Regen. ARE THERE ANY MORE UK BUNGINIANS OUT THERE, that I might have missed?????? In my covering letter I have also listed your names & addresses (but not phone numbers) for UK sharing only. Please let me know if you have any objections to me doing this. You have all given me phone numbers too. Include or exclude?? Let me know (off-group). Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire, UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 09:35:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: dodgestudio@juno.com (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: reply all Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:19:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803031719.JAA08070@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk So Glenna, Does this mean that hitting reply all will send to everyone on bungi directly without the system remailing it and adding a second tag line to it? Gary >dodgestudio@juno.com writes:] >> >> What I do is hit the reply all button, > >> >> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button >is to >> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put >into >> an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group >will >> not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the >book, >> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. >> >> Am I wrong? > >The reply all button send to all recipients of the original message. > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Help!!! I'm rather new at this and I'm still confused. If I send "back" as REPLY it get's sent to the writer and should one just redirect the address to GLASS@BUNGI.COM? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 10:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:38:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: ace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass with tile Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.73615.0> References: <<1998Jan28.154853.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Check out issue #38 of the Stained Glass News. The Readers' Gallery shows a picture of what you may be talking about, or at least another idea for you. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 10:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:19:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "Toby" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: UK suppliers Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:19:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.18197.0> Precedence: bulk At 17:19 03/03/98 +0000, you wrote: >Dear UK Bunginians, >In my covering letter I have also listed your names & addresses (but >not phone numbers) for UK sharing only. >Please let me know if you have any objections to me doing this. >You have all given me phone numbers too. Include or exclude?? >Let me know (off-group). Hi, EliSabeth, no reason I can see not to include phone numbers as well. The more info the better. Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 11:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Mosfunland@aol.com Subject: numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:14:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199803031814.NAA19048@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Maureen, How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would have needed one too. Couldn't afford it now what the increase in size. Bob > I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and >would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't figured out >how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 11:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:57:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: verdigris patina for copper Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:57:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199803031857.KAA18687@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of restaurant). My questions are two fold: 1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second bottle since the surface is already copper) 2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please? Thanks in advance Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 12:07:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:33:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:32:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar3.193225.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-02 16:46:11 EST, you write: > I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns. > Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a > psychiatric break....... > Maureen, If I have a circular piece I usually start in the middle and go clockwise out toward the perimiter, I do also use letters. Lets say I was doing a sun with rays, the center in one color I will label 1A 2A 3A etc, then I will move on to the next color, and start where I ended off (maybe I should start overwith 1) lets say now its 15B 16B etc. This way you don't have to select your glass yet, or you may want to make it a second time with different glass all together. I then, when I have cut out the pattern (and I still have one intact with the numbers) I put them in folders in ABC order one for each letter. As with the sun and rays you are alternating colors so you will # in order of color Not placement. Hope this helps deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 12:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:02:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pattern Enlargement Software Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:58:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199803031958.LAA27279@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Howdy gang... I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for the finished project. Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 13:07:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: numbering Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:03:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.4330.0> References: <<199803031814.NAA19048@mime4.prodigy.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I too imediately thought of a panel. But having worked in a hospital nursery myself, my thoughts were delusions of grandeur. I envisions you making a panel for the hospital nursery(paid for by the hospital), either hanging or framed beside the viewing window, or a panel in the back of the room. A panel of all the little footprints from premi to 14 pounders. A collage of footprints. I couldn't envision the color scheme. I love the ectched glass idea. Then color wouldn't be a problem, literally or symbolically. How enterprizing to think of doing it as baby gifts. Maybe you can sell them in the hospital gift shop? I should think the ladies(I know chauvenistic, there might be men)would love telling their customers that(a nurse?) employee of the hospital "does these!" How about ectching them on oval bevels and sell them with wooden base stand, that allows them to hang free? Almost makes me want to have kids again. Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Maureen, > How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints > and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small > hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such > a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would > have needed one too. Couldn't afford it now what the increase in > size. Bob > > > I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and > >would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't > figured out > >how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 13:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:54:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:30:33 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk My pattern numbering system combines colors and positions. If I'm doing a geometric design I will number the pieces in a roughly clockwise direction using letters to identify the glass or color. A1, A2, A3, etc. for one color; then B1, B2, etc.for the next color. Each time I make this pattern, I make a list to indicate A=red, B=yellow, etc. If the pattern is, for example, a water scene with goldfish and lilypads, I number the "water" pieces W1, W2, W3 (or B1, B2 for "blue"); the lilypads L1, L2, (or G1, G2 for "green). Works for me--- Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 14:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:41:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pattern Enlargement Software Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803032139.NAA11858@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Howdy gang... I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for the finished project. Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? Hi Wayne, I use 2 programs; desk scan and photo styler with my scanner, both can enlarge. But I also use Corel Draw 4 alot. My computer buddy at the store helped me out in deciding what I should get for the work that I do. But I did know I wanted Corel draw for drawing and have been using it for 6 years now. I hear alot of talk about the Glass eye.. dragon soft ware. But then again I also line up to a plotter now and again for vinyl cuts for sandblasting. Corel draw works for me. BC person also, Cindy Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 14:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:59:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: Shirley Balloch (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803032157.NAA03489@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, What a great idea, photo resist baby foot on a beer mug for my son (24 year old) and here I wondered what do for Christmas??? Good idea for the hospital too, I might just try that. And a trophy shop might be an outlet. Got to go and find my kid's foot, chuckle. Cindy I too imediately thought of a panel. But having worked in a hospital nursery myself, my thoughts were delusions of grandeur. I envisions you making a panel for the hospital nursery(paid for by the hospital), either hanging or framed beside the viewing window, or a panel in the back of the room. A panel of all the little footprints from premi to 14 pounders. A collage of footprints. I couldn't envision the color scheme. I love the ectched glass idea. Then color wouldn't be a problem, literally or symbolically. How enterprizing to think of doing it as baby gifts. Maybe you can sell them in the hospital gift shop? I should think the ladies(I know chauvenistic, there might be men)would love telling their customers that(a nurse?) employee of the hospital "does these!" How about ectching them on oval bevels and sell them with wooden base stand, that allows them to hang free? Almost makes me want to have kids again. Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Maureen, > How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints > and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small > hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such > a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would > have needed one too. Couldn't afford it now what the increase in > size. Bob > > > I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and > >would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't > figured out > >how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 14:42:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:42:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: DMR74 (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: numbering Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:40:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803032140.NAA27795@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-02 16:46:11 EST, you write: > I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns. > Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a > psychiatric break....... > Maureen, If I have a circular piece I usually start in the middle and go clockwise out toward the perimiter, I do also use letters. Lets say I was doing a sun with rays, the center in one color I will label 1A 2A 3A etc, then I will move on to the next color, and start where I ended off (maybe I should start overwith 1) lets say now its 15B 16B etc. This way you don't have to select your glass yet, or you may want to make it a second time with different glass all together. I then, when I have cut out the pattern (and I still have one intact with the numbers) I put them in folders in ABC order one for each letter. As with the sun and rays you are alternating colors so you will # in order of color Not placement. Hope this helps deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi Maureen, Psychiatric break... That sounds familar. I usually start out on the straight and narrow path of correctness. Then decide I've lost my way home!! Lord, help me if I forget to number a piece and find it later!! It now becomes a letter, usually "A". Insanity of numbering, but it all comes together in the end. Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 15:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:27:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: verdigris patina for copper Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:24:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.122444.0> References: <<199803031857.KAA18687@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with > a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of > restaurant). > > My questions are two fold: > > 1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second > bottle since the surface is already copper) > > 2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please? > > Thanks in advance > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- JAX is the patina the comes to mind, but it only comes in green. in craft stores they sell a metal "weatering" kit. it has copper paint and patina. but it comes in many colors, blue, brown, green, etc. i never tried to see how well it works, because it's kind of expensive, and only works on copper. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 15:45:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:48:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: gizmos/fids Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.104841.0> Precedence: bulk A while back when we were discussing things used as alternatives to "standard equipment", I posted about using cuticle sticks (sometime called orange sticks) for a fid. They are now manufactured in plastic. Flat beveled on both ends. Made by Sally Hansen, LaCross, 3 for $1.69, available at any drug, health & beauty aids dept. Instructions on back say they can be steralized in alcohol, so they should hold up around most chemicals they would come in contact with if you are using them to iron down your foil. Just an update... Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 15:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:48:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Wood duck pattern Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.104217.0> Precedence: bulk I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design! Customer is talking about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2" Thanks in advance Sue Reitmann (who is slowly recovering from unexpected carodid artery surgery)and hates the idea of ageing! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 16:14:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:47:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Pattern Enlargement Software Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:46:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980303184625.0069147c@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk At 11:58 AM 3/3/98 -0800, Wayne wrote: >Howdy gang... > > I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so >I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and >have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and >print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for >the finished project. > Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? > > >Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address Hi Wayne, The answer is yes. I have one called 'Glass Magic 3.0' (there may be a newer version now) by Micro Glass Software. Very simple, very inexpensive. I think it cost $29.95, but don't hold me to that. It's for lamps, boxes and panels. It will only enlarge up to 2' X 2' though. It requires 386 or higher, 4MB of Ram, 5 MB of free harddrive and 3.1 or Win95. Boxes and lamps are kept in proportion when enlarging. It is quite versitle in creating boxes and lamps as you can change shapes, sizes, number of panels, pitch etc. with a click of the mouse. It also does letters in different fonts. And prints out the pattern in numbered panels for you. There are a couple others but not in that price range, none that I know of anyway. Dava glassurgeon@clis.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 17:39:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:14:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: Sue Reitmann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wood duck pattern Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:16:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.91634.0> References: <<1998Mar3.104217.0>> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Sue; There is a nice pattern in Birds of North America, Vol 2. Don't go by their color choices, they don't coincide with the real thing. Dave & Lynn Sue Reitmann wrote: > I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design! > Customer is talking about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2" > Thanks in advance > Sue Reitmann > (who is slowly recovering from unexpected carodid artery surgery)and hates the idea of ageing! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 18:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:07:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: verdigris patina for copper Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Try the Jax brand green patina. It should work directly on the copper. Most stained glass wholesalers carry it, most retailers could get it for you. It comes in a pretty large bottle, you'd probably only need one. Sarah >Hi all, > >I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with >a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of >restaurant). > >My questions are two fold: > >1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second >bottle since the surface is already copper) > >2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please? > >Thanks in advance > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 19:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:23:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Pattern Enlargement Software Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Wayne, If all you want to do is import, resize and print, almost any paint/draw program on the market will do it. Claris works, microsoft paint, and many other basic programs will perform these functions just fine. Sarah >Howdy gang... > > I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so >I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and >have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and >print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for >the finished project. > Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? > > >Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address >2960 Suffield Road, >Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > >Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 19:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:14:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Mosfunland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: numbering Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:14:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.171443.0> References: <<1998Mar3.15172.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > can use this..... I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and > would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't figured out > how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess. For Christmas gifts a woman I work with made little suncatcher angels with her baby's face as the angel face. She used xeroxed photos cut to shape and sandwiched between two layers of glass that are half the normal thickness. The local shop had the glass. If Warner doesn't have it, I'll send you the name of the shop where she got it...if there sounds like there is a story, you're correct...but my guess is that Warner has it. Anyway, the point is that you could sandwich the footprints. It could be the most strange and wonderful thing ever and perfect for the x-ray department...or the baby ward!! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 3 20:08:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:07:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: jnl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: full of questions Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:07:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar3.17711.0> References: <<1998Mar2.105720.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a > triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run > right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape. Use your 1/4" bit to grind into the corner as far as possible. Foil up to the notch area like normal, but when you come to the tip of the triangle, trim your foil into the point and overlay it on the glass as necessary. The tip will read like a point, but the bottom of the point will be rounded. Still, the compromise is worth it. Cutting an angle up into the glass is an invitation to cracking. Even the above is on the dangerous side. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 04:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:25:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.22628.0> Precedence: bulk I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but = last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got = to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w = Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go = about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different = was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. = Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and = trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no = idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. Linda Campbell Hobby Crafter Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 05:08:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:32:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:24:35 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > we set up a monthly or weekly bio > posting? Someone like Albert, who > has been with bungi forever Have I been volunteered? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 06:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:47:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Linda Campbell (by way of Barbara ) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980304084355.006b2754@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk This sounds very much like the problem that I was having. And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux is Glasstar ! A gel type. Is your iron hot enough? I am going to check to see if the outlet I am using is working right! I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but = last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got = to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w = Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go = about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different = was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. = Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and = trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no = idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 07:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:36:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: PREMUSA.com!TSzarawara From: Theresa Szarawara To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.43726.0> Precedence: bulk Can you please add me to your bungi list? tszarawara@premusa.com Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 08:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:46:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: My works are now on-line Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.44446.0> Precedence: bulk OK all fellow bungians who have asked to view some of my works. Here are four, thanks to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at StainedGlassBiz. My web site can be found at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm or you can go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists", then on "Light Show" and follow the lightshow through until my work shows up. The first web list is the short cut directly to my pages. Isn't technology great? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 08:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: Wayne Munro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Enlargement Software Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:02:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.328.0> References: <<199803031958.LAA27279@ark.com>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Wayne, Sounds like your talking about Glass Magic 3.0 from Micro Glass. It sells for about $40 (US). It's really a pretty limited program, but will certainly do what you're asking for. I think they have a website now, but not sure. You can contact them at microglass@AOL.COM. Mike Peck Wayne Munro wrote: > > Howdy gang... > > I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so > I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and > have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and > print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for > the finished project. > Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address > 2960 Suffield Road, > Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > > Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 08:38:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webzone.net!bobg From: "Bob Grimes" To: "Linda Campbell" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:50:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.14509.0> Precedence: bulk Linda: The flux is very important when soldering.I do lots of foiling and also I have been in electronics for over 30 years.(a big difference in soldering in electronics compared to stain glass work)however use the best flux you can find,next use the best solder you can find.For foiling I find that 37-63 ,canfield works best for me.Rember you can allways resolder,but if you giveup your a goner. best of luck. bobg of bobglass -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 5:01 AM Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato >I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but = >last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got = >to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = >glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w = >Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go = >about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different = >was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = >says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. = >Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and = >trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no = >idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. > >Linda Campbell >Hobby Crafter >Suffolk, VA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 08:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.53024.0> References: <<1998Mar4.22628.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but = > last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got = > to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = > glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w = > Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go = > about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different = > was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = > says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. = > Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and = > trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no = > idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. > > Linda Campbell > Hobby Crafter > Suffolk, VA > ---- here's the possibilities i see: 1. the flux just does'nt work well, try some other flux, before concerning yourself with numbers 2 and 4. 2. the iron may be dieing, the heater element itself may not have much life in it, anymore. 3. the reostat may be bad, you may be on 800 but it may be acting like 500. try directly plugging it into the wall, and see if that helps the problem. 4. the line it's attached to, may have a large load on it. like a dishwasher running, a pool pump, etc. or there may not be as much electricity running through the outlet. like once we had a bunch of real hot days, everyone was running the AC. the electric company lowered the voltage some to prevent blowouts. you really could'nt tell by looking, but you could hear the microwave running kind of badly. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 08:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: A little humor for your day! Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:04:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.4457.0> References: <<199803031524.HAA28824@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Received the below from ..... well, he asked not to be identified, so...... Enjoy! > ... > > Thought all of you might appreciate a little clean listserv humor; > a repost from another listserv.. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > A: 1,331: > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light > bulb has been changed. > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and > how the light bulb could have been changed differently. > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing > light bulbs. > > 53 to flame the spell checkers > > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light > bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. > > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please > take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb > > 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and > alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use > light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. > > 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, > where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best > for this technique, and what brands are faulty. > > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light > bulbs > > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post > corrected URLs. > > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that > are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this > list. > > 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including > all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they > cannot handle the light bulb controversy. > > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. > > 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. > > 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, > leave it here. > > 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 09:14:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:37:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Reply All - Different Every Time Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:05:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.5554.0> Precedence: bulk When I want to reply to a post and hit Reply all, I used to get the = sender and bungi in the "to" box. Now it's different every time. = Sometimes it doesn't even put bungi up there. Sometimes the post is from = someone else but it lists me as the sender and omits the "RE:" even tho = it is a reply form someone. Why is this? In reply to my Mashed potato flux problem, I have gotten replys from the = following: =09 1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and = myself) 2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the = "RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself) 3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, = bungi and myself) Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this = problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period. Help! Linda Campbell suffolk, va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 09:24:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'GLASS@BUNGI.COM'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: Reply All - Different Every Time Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:09:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.5913.0> Precedence: bulk P.S. 1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and myself) THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. 2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the "RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself) THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI 3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, bungi and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. MOST CURIOUS. MMMMMM? Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period. Help! Linda Campbell suffolk, va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 09:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:18:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: quick set cement Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:24:08 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk You'd probably only find out about it if you wore high heels, one heel were broken off when it became stuck in a crack in a sidewalk, for example, you twisted your ankle, broke your leg, lost 3 months of work, and sued the City. They only have it on the books to protect themselves from the fact that they don't/can't take care of the City's infrastructure quickly enough to avoid problems like that. Similarly, they will only pay for damage caused to your car hitting a pothole if you've registered a written complaint on an official form about that particular pothole *before you hit it. > Albert I lived in NY for many years, not in the city though, but I don't > remember that law is it new? I do know that Jay walking IS enforced, even in > very smalll towns. > deb > > > This is probably why it's illegal to wear high heels in New York > > City. Of course, women still wear them, but if they snag a heel and > > twist an ankle (or worse), they can't sue the City, 'cause they were > > in violation. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 09:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: Linda Campbell (by way of Barbara ) (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:25:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803041625.IAA29327@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I would have to wonder about the heat of the iron also. But before you try to check out the outlet, it could be a bad tip and maybe the rheostat isn't working ie; temperature thermostat is bad. Electrical outlets either work or they don't work. (they don't run at half mast). Try changing the tip first. This sounds very much like the problem that I was having. And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux is Glasstar ! A gel type. Is your iron hot enough? I am going to check to see if the outlet I am using is working right! I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but = last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got = to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w = Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go = about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different = was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. = Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and = trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no = idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 10:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:45:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:40:05 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk From: Self To: @EVERYONE.PML Subject: IGGA News Memo Send reply to: alewis@vgernet.net Date sent: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:45:02 Time to visit the online Architectural Art Glass Light Show again ... we just added 45 more works in glass from around the world this morning. Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the upper lefthand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start" ... simple!) Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 10:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:49:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern Enlargement Software Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so > I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and > have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and > print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for > the finished project. > Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? An earlier version of CorelDraw (version 6, for example) will do this. Actually, I'd use CD6 and another program -- PaintShop Pro. I'd use PSP to acquire the scan, then resize it with PSP, import the re-sized scan into CD6 and print as tiles. Oddly enough, although it's not something I do often, I had a call to do this early this morning, so I know that'll work. PSP is shareware and you can find it at http://www.download.com/ I'd think. CD6 is available from many discount mail order software outfits, although if you poke around, you might find it online. It should cost less than $100. Maybe a *lot less. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 11:50:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:49:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern Enlargement Software Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so > I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and > have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and > print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for > the finished project. > Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced? An earlier version of CorelDraw (version 6, for example) will do this. Actually, I'd use CD6 and another program -- PaintShop Pro. I'd use PSP to acquire the scan, then resize it with PSP, import the re-sized scan into CD6 and print as tiles. Oddly enough, although it's not something I do often, I had a call to do this early this morning, so I know that'll work. PSP is shareware and you can find it at http://www.download.com/ I'd think. CD6 is available from many discount mail order software outfits, although if you poke around, you might find it online. It should cost less than $100. Maybe a *lot less. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:05:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:29:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "mike peck" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A little humor for your day! Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.12923.0> Precedence: bulk You missed one, What if the bulb does not want to change. PS, we did this one before! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:32:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: goldengate.net!borealis From: Northernlights To: mike peck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A little humor for your day! Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:36:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.53617.0> References: <<1998Mar4.4457.0>> Precedence: bulk So true!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:22:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: val clover To: mike peck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A little humor for your day! Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:31:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.33144.0> References: <<1998Mar4.4457.0>> Precedence: bulk > > > > 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including > > all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Me too! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Cindy Pesonen'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: FW: Reply All - Different Every Time Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.8540.0> Precedence: bulk cindy, your's is the one that came as if I had sent it to myself. I do = not think the problem is at your end. Your address was not on the = message at all. It was as if it had come from me but it would not have = gotten to me if you had not address it to bungi, which you had. I think the problem is with bungi as alot of my messages form bungi list = me as the sender when in fact, I am not. This si something that needs to = be cleared up. Don't dispair. As the retired Navy guys say around here..."It's PFM" = (Pure Magic. Beyond me. Linda Campbell ---------- From: Cindy Pesonen[SMTP:cpesonen@bcinternet.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 4:54 AM To: Linda Campbell Subject: Re: FW: Reply All - Different Every Time >Hi Linda, one of those messages was from me. I guess I don't know how = to send a reply...can you help? I redirected the address glass@bungi.com What happened?? > >P.S.=20 >=09 >1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter = and myself) >THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. > > >2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the "RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself) >THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI > > >3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, = bungi and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. > > >MOST CURIOUS. MMMMMM? > > >Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this = problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period. > >Help! > >Linda Campbell >suffolk, va > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:48:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:26:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.92015.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda- Are you using zinc came on the panel or have you recently soldered something with zinc? Remember the recent post about zinc raising the eutectic (melting) point of the solder - consequently, your iron = might not be hot enough right now. Just heat your iron, clean with a wire brush, and wet sponge. That would get rid of the zinc residue. Assuming of course that you've used zinc. If not, go with the flux theory! Best regards, Dani Greer (who know all about glass gremlins!) Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 12:54:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:39:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stl-online.net!spgtlg From: spg/tlg To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Chat Board Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.94329.0> Precedence: bulk I am interested in locating and participating in your chat room. I design and sell stained glass stepping stones and other garden "art". Terri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 13:23:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:08:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: Linda Campbell (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: FW: Reply All - Different Every Time Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:07:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803042107.NAA13812@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, Thanks. Cindy cindy, your's is the one that came as if I had sent it to myself. I do not think the problem is at your end. Your address was not on the message at all. It was as if it had come from me but it would not have gotten to me if you had not address it to bungi, which you had. I think the problem is with bungi as alot of my messages form bungi list me as the sender when in fact, I am not. This si something that needs to be cleared up. Don't dispair. As the retired Navy guys say around here..."It's PFM" (Pure Magic. Beyond me. Linda Campbell > > >1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and myself) >THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. > > >2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the "RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself) >THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI > > >3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, bungi and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME. > > >MOST CURIOUS. MMMMMM? > > >Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period. > >Help! > >Linda Campbell >suffolk, va > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 15:53:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:11:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Mosfunland@aol.com Subject: Re: numbering Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:04:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199803042304.SAA05174@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an inked set >of prints? and is the original destroyed? The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds great. Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 17:52:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:32:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199803050137.BAA11069@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk > we set up a monthly or weekly bio > posting? Someone like Albert, who > has been with bungi forever Have I been volunteered? Albert You were, Albert! But then Patrick Kelly went and volnuteered himself. So we jumped on him (poor soul!) Now should it be A- as in Albert, or L - as in Lewis....??? Hhmmmm... Get y'er skates on ;-> By the way Mr. Kelly, a couple of lurkers (and oldies) Armstrong, Mary, who pointed out to me my misinterpretation of "geek" (Thanks honey!!) and Boe, Lee who has just crawled back (perhaps on all fours) after a show. Go get 'em! Oh yes, then there is Albright, Suzanne (... gottcha...!) ;-D Elisabeth 'n Toby Zwinehund in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 18:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: numbering Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:07:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803050207.SAA14478@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of my 24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black on white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon, but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure. I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!! Cindy Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an inked set >of prints? and is the original destroyed? The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds great. Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 19:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:59:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "Toby" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 21:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199803050257.VAA25603@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth sweetly wrote: >Oh yes, then there is Albright, Suzanne (... gottcha...!) ;-D >Elisabeth 'n Toby Zwinehund in UK Suzanne wants to know: Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway? And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund! Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 19:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:20:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Photoresist foot print Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:19:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.111959.0> References: <<199803050207.SAA14478@freya.vphos.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk What did you put it on? A beer mug? Does a 24 year old's footprint fit on a beer mug? BOB DUCHESNEAU by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) wrote: > > Hi all, > Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of my > 24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black on > white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on > emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets > washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired > dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A > light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon, > but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure. > I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!! > Cindy > > Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an > inked set > >of prints? and is the original destroyed? > > The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy > would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only > photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the > list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think > Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This > would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The > idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds > great. > > Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work > although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon > blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg > that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) > 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 20:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:51:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dianebsmith From: dianebsmith@juno.com (Diane B. Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bronze lampbases Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:49:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.17495.0> Precedence: bulk This is my first communication with this group. I want to purchase bronze lampbases, perhaps lost wax ones, for 2 Tiffany style shades I have received as gifts. I want a floor base for a 28" Magnolia and a table base for a 22" floral. The bases at the local stained glass shops are as expensive as the shades (which I hope to make some day, when the children are older). If anyone knows where I can obtain good quality bronze bases at reasonable prices, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I live in upstate N.Y., if shipping is an issue. Thank you. Diane B. Smith dianebsmith@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 20:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:17:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: Shirley Balloch (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Photoresist foot print Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:16:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803050416.UAA21337@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk What did you put it on? A beer mug? Does a 24 year old's footprint fit on a beer mug? Yep, it was a beer mug, guess I forgot to mention that I scanned the item for size..It was his baby foot prints from the hospital, don't think he'd let me do it now! I bordered it and added some text; date born, size lb. and height and name.=20 Cindy BOB DUCHESNEAU by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) wrote: >=20 > Hi all, > Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of= my > 24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black= on > white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on > emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets > washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired > dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A > light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon, > but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure. > I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!! > Cindy >=20 > Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an > inked set > >of prints? and is the original destroyed? >=20 > The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy > would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only > photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the > list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think > Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This > would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The > idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds > great. >=20 > Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work > although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon > blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob >=20 > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg > that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) > 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >=20 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --=20 x=9F>"3=16=01=06=90=08 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 21:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: lcbell@memach.com Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.17280.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980304084355.006b2754@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Once I got a hold of a bad bunch of solder. The company rep said that they had hired a lot of new people and they had screwed up the mix! Gary Dodge >This sounds very much like the problem that I was having. >And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux >is >Glasstar ! A gel type. > Is your iron hot enough? I am going to check to see if the >outlet I am >using is working right! > > >I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy >but = >last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it >got = >to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the = >glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w >= >Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually >go = >about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing >different = >was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and = >says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. >= >Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight >and = >trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no >= >idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit. > >Linda Campbell > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 21:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:23:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: repeat question(pattern shears) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:21:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.232140.0> Precedence: bulk I know this subject was addressed a couple of weeks abo, but i had a harddrive go on vacation and i lost my messages. Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to the hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to drinking ;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on the left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces to shrink too much). any suggestions? Jeremy Hopkins KC8GWH toledo ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 21:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:30:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: violeta.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:My works are now on-line Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199803050345.WAA00238@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar4.44446.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo twistes the bytes to say: Christie> OK all fellow bungians who have asked to Christie> view some of my works. Here are four, thanks Christie> to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at Christie> StainedGlassBiz. Christie> My web site can be found at Christie> http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm It is nothing against you or your work. It is aginst the design of that web site. It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another... I am in a fast connection --at the University. NOnetheless, every page was taking longer than 30 seconds to download. Most of pages passed by without giving me time to even see the works. Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours. Christie> Isn't technology great? Sometimes I feel like a Luddite... Christie> Christie A. Wood Christie> Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA Christie> ---- Christie> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Christie> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Christie> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Daniel M. German "One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primivite and childlike --and yet it is the most precious thing Albert Einstein -> we have. " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 21:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:51:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:49:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar5.44911.0> Precedence: bulk I guess I'm going to be in the same spot either way - Susan Stern! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 21:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: val clover To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.142656.0> References: <<199803050257.VAA25603@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway? > And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seems we have a bit of a dilemma here. How do we prove or disprove Elisabeths last name? Hmmmmm. Laurean ( I have a bit of a reprieve ) Clover ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 22:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:36:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: val clover To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.113024.0> Precedence: bulk First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass, do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead a piece at a time? Second question, Suzanne, could you email me? I killed my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses. Mary, I remembered yours! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 23:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:46:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: mike peck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A little humor for your day! Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.174412.0> References: <<1998Mar4.4457.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk mike peck wrote: > > Received the below from ..... well, he asked not to be identified, > so...... > Enjoy! > > Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: 1,331: God BLESS you Mike P.!!!! !!!!!!!!! V T Phelps ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 23:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:12:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi Bios Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 02:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.18106.0> References: <<1998Mar4.142656.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk The UK bungians will soon have it on a listing of all the UK bungian names & addresses which Elisabeth herself promised to send to them. Between them, myself, and the EVER honorable Toby Tobias/Zwinehund we can reasonably hold her to honesty regarding her alphabetical position for Biography posting. Sworn to Silent Loyalty, V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- > > > Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway? > > And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Seems we have a bit of a dilemma here. How do we prove > or disprove Elisabeths last name? Hmmmmm. > > Laurean ( I have a bit of a reprieve ) Clover > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 4 23:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:54:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Reply All - Different Every Time Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:51:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar4.175152.0> References: <<1998Mar4.5554.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > > In reply to my Mashed potato flux problem, I have gotten replys from the = > following: > > 1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and > myself) > > Why is this? Dear Linda, This was because *silly me forgot to post to Reply All" or post to glass@bungi.com, and I ended up accidentally sending it just to you. I have done THIS posting correctly. Sorry for the mix-up- V T Phelps (who suspects that Mike Peck is reading this and giggling something to himself under his breath about posting to listserve.posting.news.comdotlaughdotlaughdotlaughdotdotdot!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 02:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:50:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Photographing SG, FAQ, first installment Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199803050949.JAA30422@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, A couple of days ago, Daniel German posted a most excellent excerpt on how to photograph sg from his own web-page. I got quite intrigued Photographing sg has always been a "bug-bear" of mine, even though I am quite a keen amateur photographer. When Gabriel also mentioned that his mother-tongue was not English - that really pressed MY sympathy-button :-) (I know how he feels....) I found his e-mail most helpful and detailed - and - also very generous. So I sat down one morning and went to visit his web-page. I found the mixture both intriguing, enchanting and fun. (And WHEN can I see some Mexican recipes Daniel??) Eventually I arrived at the page of some of Daniel's own photographs, both in colour & black & white. Eventually (about an hour and a bit) the down load was completed (at least of the thumbnails - why so long Daniel??). Boy, are they some photographs!!!! They are exciting and sesnitive both in colours and composition! Not only that, but in his obvious generous style, Daniel has added details for each one: rough location, type of film used, speed and aperture. The big blue stained glass in the Art Museum in Chicago, can surely ONLY be Chagall ???? (It didn't say... :-( ) I would have liked to look at ALL of them on the bigger scale, but by now my telephone bill was signalling "orange", because the down-load of each enlargement took about 15-20 minutes. (and I have got a reasonably fast modem - 28.8). Beautiful photographs, Daniel! Quite spectacular! I would like to ask you why you have used Fuji film in preference to any other film? I use Kodak for prints and Agfa for slides (it's the one I learnt with and know, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is the best for s.g. purposes. It's more a question of "the devil you know"...) Thank you for sharing and welcome to Bungi!!!! (Oh yes! There is even a photo of Daniel himeslf on the Main Page!!! Ahhhh! If I was only 20 years younger..... ;-> .. sigh... ) Go have a look folks! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Daniel German wrote: Hi SGers, I was overwhelmed by the amount of responses I have gotten to my previous requests. This is my way to pay back. In the spirit of the Internet, I am making this a FAQ. This is the first part. I'm very open to suggestions and topics you want covered. I don't make any guarantee on how long it will take me but I'll be finished one day. I am planning to add photos in the future. Please be gentle, remember that English is not my first language :) dmg P.S. I'll be available on the Web at: http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/ ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 04:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: My works are now on-line Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:29:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar5.12297.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, Congrats on your web pages! Photos are soooo good! Great work shown! Lenore of Flourtown (formerly known as Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 05:10:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:35:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato (Thanks) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.23639.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to every one who replied about the soulder. Lots of good points = to consider. I found the problem. Stupid me didn't check the iron tip. = The retainer ring wasn't screwed tightly. All is fixed. About the reply all. Still don't know why others posts are coming in = whit my name as the sender. But, duplicate reply are because of reply = all. This sends on to the sender and one to bungi. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 05:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:14:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A little humor for your day! Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:13:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar5.121351.0> Precedence: bulk Valerie, What does and mean? These are really NEW ones to me. Thanks for info! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 06:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:52:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Photographing SG, FAQ, first installment Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <199803051332.IAA00291@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<199803050949.JAA30422@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk E&T twistes the bytes to say: E&T> Hi all, E&T> A couple of days ago, Daniel German posted a most excellent excerpt E&T> on how to photograph sg from his own web-page. E&T> I got quite intrigued E&T> Photographing sg has always been a "bug-bear" of mine, even though I E&T> am quite a keen amateur photographer. E&T> When Gabriel also mentioned that his mother-tongue was not English - E&T> that really pressed MY sympathy-button :-) (I know how he feels....) I used to hate English. I still do. But... I had and still have no choice. After all, the best rock comes from the UK. E&T> I found his e-mail most helpful and detailed - and - also very E&T> generous. I'd like to add something about generosity on the Internet. The Internet is divided in many, many neighborhoods. Many of them have thrived for more than 10 years while other are recent incantations of this medium. I am in the computer field. Obviously, computer geeks are still, if not the most common of the netcitizens, they are the most pervasive and oldest. The computer neighborhood is the largest and best developed. And the most giving. Giving, you might wonder, in which respect? I'll give you examples: the operating system that I run in my desktop and my laptop and all the software I use on both machines has been a collected work of many netcitizens and it is free, yes, FREE. Take your web browser --Netscape, at least for students is also free-- and visit www.faqs.org: more free information. I have been designing a computer control for my camera. I have been getting free advice and diagrams from different places and more important, from different people on the Net. The Internet changed a lot when the Web came along. It made it a flashy place, but made some people forget two of its more important parts: mailing lists and USENET newsgroups; where real people communicate with common interests. You know exactly what I mean because all you are here. Philanthropy used to be as common on the Net as it was conspicuous the lack of commercial domains. Mike is another one of those philanthropist. He has what I believe is probably the best website on SG on the Internet, and he does it just for the pleasure of doing it (and we know it, to share his experiences with aliens :) If you go to my home page, you'll find the statement: "Throughout the years, USENET FAQs have been an immeasurable source of knowledge, entertainment, and trouble solving. I have started these FAQ projects as a retribution to all those FAQs." If we take from the Net, and at the same time we add, it grows. And it becomes a better place to be. I don't consider myself generous. I am paying back. --End of my diatribe. E&T> So I sat down one morning and went to visit his web-page. I found the E&T> mixture both intriguing, enchanting and fun. You forgot to say eclectic! :) E&T> (And WHEN can I see some Mexican recipes Daniel??) Whenever I finish my thesis. E&T> Eventually I arrived at the page of some of Daniel's own photographs, E&T> both in colour & black & white. E&T> Eventually (about an hour and a bit) the down load was completed (at E&T> least of the thumbnails - why so long Daniel??). Ok, after your note, I spent some time reducing the files to 33% of their original size. E&T> Boy, are they some photographs!!!! E&T> They are exciting and sesnitive both in colours and composition! E&T> Not only that, but in his obvious generous style, Daniel has added E&T> details for each one: rough location, type of film used, speed and E&T> aperture. E&T> The big blue stained glass in the Art Museum in Chicago, can surely E&T> ONLY be Chagall ???? (It didn't say... :-( ) Yes, it is. If you enlarge it, it is in the Art Institute of Chicago. American Window, if my memory is not yet fading. E&T> I would have liked to look at ALL of them on the bigger scale, but by E&T> now my telephone bill was signalling "orange", because the down-load E&T> of each enlargement took about 15-20 minutes. (and I have got a E&T> reasonably fast modem - 28.8). Try again, this time use the following address: http://aries17.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/ The server has a role in the slowness of my data. E&T> Beautiful photographs, Daniel! Quite spectacular! Thanks, I certainly appreciate your kind comments. E&T> I would like to ask you why you have used Fuji film in preference to E&T> any other film? I use Kodak for prints and Agfa for slides (it's the It depends on the application and my experience with it. Here is a breakdown of my film I use. In Black and White I use: Kodak TriX, excellent tonal range, and excellent pushability (all the way to 3200 Kodak TMax 100, 400 Both have tiny grain and are beatiful. The former excels for portraits. Kodak TMax3200P The option for those dark, dark places Kodak TMax400CN Flexible: B&W photos in one hour labs. Now, colour negatives: Fuji SuperG 100. I like its colour saturation, blues and greens. Fuji SuperG 800. THe best colour film for low light situations Agfa HDC 100. If my photos that do not include people, this is the way to go: deep colours that jump out of the print. (Best for SG, IMHO) Kodak Gold 100. If my photos people include. Slides: Fuji Velvia 50. This is a profesional film. Tiny grain and you will take beautiful photos all the time. Useless for photos of people but the way to go with SG. The only pro film I am willing to buy for the time being. Fuji Sensia 100 My typical slide film. Follows the Fuji tradition of rich primaries, but it is kinder on people. Kodachrome Good, neutral film and supposed to last longer than any other slide film. I do like Fuji. They are, IMHO, the best. And I dislike Kodak way of making business. (I loved it when the WTO ruled against them --for the first time against an American claim-- in the their case against Fuji) E&T> one I learnt with and know, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is E&T> the best for s.g. purposes. It's more a question of "the devil you Yeap. Every film has a given application, IMHO. -- Daniel M. German "For indeed who is there alive that will not be swayed by his bias and partiality to Jonathan Swift -> the place of his birth?" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 07:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:45:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: vlclover@rconnect.com Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:41:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.24115.0> References: <<1998Mar4.113024.0>> Precedence: bulk Val: I cut all the glass and then (as I finish each piece) place on the cartoon,or pattern,whatever you wish to call it,to see how the fit is,then I proceed to lead...I'm sure most others do the same, No?...... Don writes: >First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass, >do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead >a piece at a time? > >Second question, Suzanne, could you email me? I killed >my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses. > >Mary, I remembered yours! > >Laurean > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 07:51:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:39:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.53550.0> References: <<1998Mar4.113024.0>> Precedence: bulk val clover wrote: > > First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass, > do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead > a piece at a time? > > Second question, Suzanne, could you email me? I killed > my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses. > > Mary, I remembered yours! > > Laurean > > ---- i think we covered this one awhile ago. though... i use all methods: panels: i'll cut about 5-10 pieces, grind and fit, wash and foil, then repeat. it would be a section like a flower, or leaves. then i'd lay the background pieces under the foiled pieces and trace around them for a near perfect fit. boxes: most of the time i cut everything and do a light grinding, foil then solder. if it's a complex box i'll do it in sections, but i always foil for each section. suncatchers: i cut everything, then grind and fit, then solder. it goes alot faster this way. i never liked cutting all the pieces first it's difficult to place them back in the right posistion (like a puzzle). though you can get more accurate fittings... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 08:52:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: verdigris patina for copper Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:39:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199803051639.IAA08303@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Carol, >Someone mentioned in a post a few weeks ago that a simple, certain way >to get a green verdigris on copper is to use urine. It's true, it >works. I also know that car battery acid will make copper green, I >think it's hydrochloric. Hydrochloric acid will be more odor free than >urine, although not as good! Gee Steve I must have missed that post...wonder how the designer would react if I suggested he buy beer for the entire crew prior to installation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 09:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:32:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:31:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar5.163123.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write: > Electrical outlets either work or > they don't work. (they don't run at half mast) this isn't entirely true, I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the motor. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 09:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: eldondo1@juno.com (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:43:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803051643.IAA09157@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I must be different! I do one piece at a time, I use little lead strips and nails to keep the work together as I go along... Goes like this cut and lead, cut and lead or cut and foil, cut and foil. Different strokes for different folks:) Cindy Val: I cut all the glass and then (as I finish each piece) place on the cartoon,or pattern,whatever you wish to call it,to see how the fit is,then I proceed to lead...I'm sure most others do the same, No?...... Don writes: >First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass, >do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead >a piece at a time? > >Second question, Suzanne, could you email me? I killed >my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses. > >Mary, I remembered yours! > >Laurean > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 10:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:28:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar5.182843.0> Precedence: bulk > Hi all, I must be different! I do one piece at a time, I use little lead > strips and nails to keep the work together as I go along... Goes like this > cut and lead, cut and lead or cut and foil, cut and foil. > Different strokes for different folks:) > Cindy doing the job like this means that you are moving all over the shop or have ALL your tools out at the same time. Especially with the foil, that would be cutting the glass, grinding if needed, washing it off (the foil won't stick to the oil left on it from the cutting toolor the dust from the grinder) drying it and then foiling,and burnishing. For each peice that just seems like too many steps while you are standing there. I prefer if I'm doing foiled glass to sit at nite and foil in front of the tv. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 12:27:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:57:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Slow "Light Show"? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:04:43 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > It is nothing against you or your work. > It is aginst the design of that web site. > It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another... I'm the webmaster in charge of the Light Show. There is, it's true, a 30-second delay if you merely wait. But the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper left-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward" and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image? Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back." > Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.> Well, that's *now! The index has been prepared, just not plugged in yet. You can go http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/lightind.htm to see it immediately. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 12:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:16:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: DMR74 (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:15:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803052015.MAA22214@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write: Hi Deb, well, you have described a problem using an electrical extension cord that isn't rated high enough for the power coming thru and you will also find your extension cord heating up. You should be using a heavier rated extension cord or none at all. Some appliances will tell you not to run off an extension cord, the pull for power is too great. The topic I was talking about was not about extension cords at all, but the power coming from the source (Re) your power distrubution box and running thru to your outlets (Re) your plug boxes and switches. Cindy > Electrical outlets either work or > they don't work. (they don't run at half mast) this isn't entirely true, I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the motor. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 13:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:38:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: One-piece glass shades Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.103620.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All- I have for some time now been looking for a source of glass shades- half-sphere with a hole drilled in the center, with or without a sandblasted outer surface. I have had numerous requests for Handel-style custom lamp shades. These are painted with artists colors on the inside, traditionally with a landscape or floral design, and the sandblast on the outside softens the effect as well as diffuses the light. I saw a whole gaggle of them in various sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China of course!) so I know the shades are manufactured somewhere! Any leads are much appreciated - thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 13:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:39:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: One-piece glass shades Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.103620.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All- I have for some time now been looking for a source of glass shades- half-sphere with a hole drilled in the center, with or without a sandblasted outer surface. I have had numerous requests for Handel-style custom lamp shades. These are painted with artists colors on the inside, traditionally with a landscape or floral design, and the sandblast on the outside softens the effect as well as diffuses the light. I saw a whole gaggle of them in various sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China of course!) so I know the shades are manufactured somewhere! Any leads are much appreciated - thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 13:53:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:07:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:06:20 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980305150620.01e59b00@netins.net> References: <<1998Mar5.182843.0>> Precedence: bulk >doing the job like this means that you are moving all over the shop or have >ALL your tools out at the same time. Especially with the foil, that would be >cutting the glass, grinding if needed, washing it off (the foil won't stick to >the oil left on it from the cutting toolor the dust from the grinder) drying >it and then foiling,and burnishing. For each peice that just seems like too >many steps while you are standing there. I prefer if I'm doing foiled glass >to sit at nite and foil in front of the tv. I guess it depends on a person's motivations. I pretty much do one piece at a time, unless it's a bunch of strip pieces. This is for a couple of reasons. First, I find I get a better fit if I do one piece at a time and grind each piece to exacly match the foil contours of the previous piece. Second, I find myself getting less bored with a project if I have a variety of tasks to do during a session. Also, I do stained glass as a hobby and so I don't look at it as a speed contest for myself - a finished project that I'm happy with is more important than finishing it as quickly as possible. However, this is just my way of doing things. Scott http://www.netins.net/showcase/sae/stainedg.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 15:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:28:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: One-piece glass shades Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:27:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.122712.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Michael J. Greer" >Any leads are much appreciated - thanks!< And if anyone does have a lead on these, please post it to bungi. I am also interested! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 15:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Slow "Light Show"? Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.122622.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > It is nothing against you or your work. > > It is aginst the design of that web site. > > It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another... > > I'm the webmaster in charge > of the Light Show. There is, it's true, a 30-second delay if you > merely wait. But the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper > left-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want > to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until > you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward" > and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image? > Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back." > > > Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.> > > Well, that's *now! The index has been prepared, just not plugged > in yet. You can go > http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/lightind.htm to see it > immediately. > > Albert > > ---- will there be an index page of all the works up there? i just don't feel like looking at one picture at a time. and with the speed of my machine, by the time the picture loads, it blinks to the next one in line. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 15:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: anyone in/near Southern Wisconsin? Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:25:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980305172546.0083d7f0@glasstreasures.com> Precedence: bulk I had a lady e-mail me about needing a possible repair on a 12" diameter piece - I'm not sure what all is involved or what all would need to be done to it. I don't generally do repairs, so I told her I'd ask around. Anyone in the southern Wisconsin area that wants to try and help her out? Or anyone else want to try a "long distance" repair (obviously it's a piece that can be shipped back and forth if necessary)? E-mail me if you're interested, and I'll send the names and e-mail addys to her. It would be helpful if you indicate your location, too. Thanks! Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 16:22:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:36:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: "Michael J. Greer" (by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen)) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: One-piece glass shades Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:36:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803052336.PAA27244@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, is that the finished product that you are looking for or are you looking to finish it yourself? Dumb and stupid, Cindy Also I have noticed when I redirect my message I can't change from whom it's send by... my screen does tell me it's by way of me but from some one else. All I can change is the mailing address. I hope this doesn't offend anyone and if anyone knows what I can do about it please tell me. Really dumb and stupid, Cindy Hi All- I have for some time now been looking for a source of glass shades- half-sphere with a hole drilled in the center, with or without a sandblasted outer surface. I have had numerous requests for Handel-style custom lamp shades. These are painted with artists colors on the inside, traditionally with a landscape or floral design, and the sandblast on the outside softens the effect as well as diffuses the light. I saw a whole gaggle of them in various sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China of course!) so I know the shades are manufactured somewhere! Any leads are much appreciated - thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 16:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:09:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web Page? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:04:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199803060009.AAA28711@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Susan, It's written in my every single e-mail, just underneath my name & motto ;-) All you do is just click on it http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm Have fun! Elisabeth 'n Toby Susan wrote: Why, Elizabeth, I didn't know you had one. Address please? Susan ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 18:22:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:42:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "Jeremy Hopkins" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: repeat question(pattern shears) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 20:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199803060138.UAA23215@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Jeremy wrote: > Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to the >hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to drinking >;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on the >left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up >the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces to >shrink too much). any suggestions? Suzanne: Yup. Throw them out. Use regular scissors. Trace the pattern onto your glass, cut on the *inside* of the line. You might end up grinding a bit more, however, it leaves you more room for errors and "adjustments". Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 18:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:42:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: My works are now on-line Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <<199803050345.WAA00238@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, Realy fine works. I love the "Ebb Tide" lamp. But the Window als are a fine work. It's a Fantastic light for a private home. Hello from germany, herbert Privat mail: Tiffany-Glaskunst@t-online.de http://www.bastelzauber.com Daniel M. German schrieb: > > Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo twistes the bytes to say: > > Christie> OK all fellow bungians who have asked to > Christie> view some of my works. Here are four, thanks > Christie> to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at > Christie> StainedGlassBiz. > > Christie> My web site can be found at > Christie> http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm > > It is nothing against you or your work. > > It is aginst the design of that web site. > > It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another... > > I am in a fast connection --at the University. NOnetheless, every page > was taking longer than 30 seconds to download. Most of pages passed by > without giving me time to even see the works. > > Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours. > > > Christie> Isn't technology great? > > Sometimes I feel like a Luddite... > > Christie> Christie A. Wood > Christie> Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA > Christie> ---- > Christie> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > Christie> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Christie> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > -- > Daniel M. German "One thing I have learned in a long life: > that all our science, measured against > reality, is primivite and childlike > --and yet it is the most precious thing > Albert Einstein -> we have. " > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 18:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:43:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: verdigris patina for copper Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:42:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar6.14212.0> Precedence: bulk hmmmmmm urine huh. wonder how the board of health inspectors would like that.... "Hey bud did you at least wash your hands?"..... Guess all those pigeons on the statues were working on their verdigris.... Maureen..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 19:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:47:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Wood duck pattern Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.9394.0> Precedence: bulk Sue, there is a little advice about using another's design for profit (I assume that as you refer to the client as a customer) without permission from the artist/designer of a design. Don't do it, that is an infringement of copyright. Get permission, pay the designer for his time and effort. How would you feel if I designed a piece then asked you to make it for free, you'd think I was crazy. When I make a design, I expect to be paid, when you make a lamp you expect to be paid. Fair is fair. There are many books with stained glass patterns that allow the use of patterns but read the front of the book! Most say, and I quote, "No part of this publication may be reproduced..... with the exception of reproduction of the designs expressly for personal use only, NOT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN!" ( my capitals for emphasis). It is not fair or considerate to use another's work without permission, also you leave yourself open to a lawsuit for infringement of copyright!! I have on occasion given a design for general use but be sure that designs you use ARE stipulated as copyright free! Even for people who have trouble with designs , a little work will get you better at it, give it a try. I sometimes spend days researching a window, then adjusting the design time and time again 'til I am happy with it. I am a trained and schooled artist and have worked hard to get there. Yes I feel that I have a gift for it, but I don't sit down like magic and it appears. I wish you well in your endeavors, but all of you out there who use others designs for profit, be fair. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Sue Reitmann [SMTP:oddjob@scc.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 2:42 PM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: Wood duck pattern I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design! Customer is talking about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2" Thanks in advance Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 19:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "val clover" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: cutting glass, Suzanne and Mary Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 20:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <199803060148.UAA23900@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Laurean, How did you kill your computer? Poison, chainsaw, gun, knife? Sorry. Hope it's better now. I am very lucky that my husband is a computer guru, of sorts. Well...lucky sometimes. He really wants me to *learn* the damn thing and all I want to do is play games and write to Bungi on it. The best part of my mind goes to glass. It depends how I feel that day, what I've had for breakfast, etc., etc., or the pattern itself. If there's a border I usually cut them all with the straight edge on Morton, make sure they fit, and foil them first, since they're the outside edge, and then I have another ready-made border for the inside. Sometimes I do all of one color at a time, particularly if there are a lot of similar-shapes and sizes, like feathers on a bird. It's more economical that way, you can line up all those little feathers on a strip of glass and zip away. If I get bored, then I'll change to another glass and/or color. One thing for sure: cut all the largest pieces first, so if you screw up you'll still have enough glass to cut another. The smaller pieces you can usually get from scraps. I was taught to cut out the whole pattern at once, first. Well, sometimes I do and sometimes not. It's fun to cut out maybe *half the pattern at once, do that complete part, then go on to the other. As I said, it depends on the phase of the moon... Happy glassing! Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 22:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:51:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Licensing agreements Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:51:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199803060551.AAA32126@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<199803051523.KAA30187@aries17.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk This is with regard to using Corel Draw as a source for patterns. >From the authors of most of Corel's clipart, in response to my enquiry. Mearle twists the bytes to say: Mearle> Daniel- Mearle> You may make all the stained glass work from our Corel images that you Mearle> desire. Royalty free. Mearle> Best Wishes, Mearle> Mearle Gates Mearle> Daniel M. German wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I bought Corel Draw. As part of the clipart it includes hundreds of >> your photos. >> >> I do stained glass work and your icons are source of inspiration. My >> question is, what is the licensing agreement that I get from corel >> draw with respect to the use of your clipart? Can I use them in order >> to modify them and then make glass panels based on them? >> >> Thanks for your information. >> >> -- >> Daniel M. German "Any sufficiently advanced >> technology is indistinguishable >> Arthur C. Clarke -> from magic." >> http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >> dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca >> -- Daniel M. German "Beauty is the first test; there is no permanent place in the world for ugly G. H. Hardy -> mathematics." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 5 22:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:10:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: suzy@Comcat.com Subject: Re: repeat question(pattern shears) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:04:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.18458.0> References: <<199803060138.UAA23215@uz.comcat.com>> Precedence: bulk I wonder what kind of pattern paper Jeremy uses? I know we all have our choices,mine is Mylar and the good pattern shears have been perfect for me(for foil especially) I cut my lead work over a light box,when I use most any glass (except black of course) The foil shears,with mylar have been used in our shop for nine years and with great results. I guess it's what you get used to,but I hate to see foil shears put down,although I have heard many horror stories on bungi about them...... Don writes: >Jeremy wrote: >> Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to >the >>hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to >drinking >>;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on >the >>left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up >>the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces >to >>shrink too much). any suggestions? > >Suzanne: >Yup. Throw them out. Use regular scissors. Trace the pattern onto your > >glass, cut on the *inside* of the line. You might end up grinding a >bit >more, however, it leaves you more room for errors and "adjustments". > > > >Suzanne Albright >suzy@comcat.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 04:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:47:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My Work Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.14856.0> Precedence: bulk A big thanks to the folks at the site who chose my work as the feature of the week, along with adding two pieces in the Gallery. I was really surprised when i opened the web site and up pops the window for the mansion in Cincinnati. Thanks again. Rick Lasita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 07:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:56:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk THE BUS IS FULL The bus trip to Youghiogheny Glass, Fallingwater, and Nemacolin Woodlands Resort planned by Warner-Crivellaro for their Glass Lover's Weekend, departing Allentown on Saturday, April 18th at 5:00 a.m. bound for the Youghiogheny Glass Factory in Connellsville, Pennsylvania is fully booked. If you missed this one, you'll be interested to know that they're planning another one for September. We'll keep you posted. NEW WORK ONLINE We added even more work to the Architectural Art Glass Light Show this morning ... not a lot, but very nice work by Arthur Stern of California is right at the top of the show at this point. (The images of his work are linked to his web site, which is one of the nicest we've seen -- congrats, Arthur!) Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the upper left-hand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" ... simple!) Remember: the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper right-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward" and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image? Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back." Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 07:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:25:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Interested? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:23:57 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I received this msg. and thought I'd share it in case anyone is interested in a job. Here it is... My name is Richard Jenkins and I am one of the directors or a summer camp in the state of Maine (it's called Maine Teen Camp) that offers a stained glass program amongst the many other arts offered. If you would like to check us out, you can at: http://www.teencamp.com Perhaps you could help me? Our head stained glass instructor is unable to join our staff again this year and I am looking for a replacement. The job pays relatively well and offers a skilled glass person the opportunity to introduce stained glass to a new generation of young people, work in our facility, and enjoy all of the beauty of a summer spent in Maine (it is an extremely inspirational place to work)! I am writing you in hopes that in your position, you may have knowledge of (and access to) a number of skilled glass artists who may be interested in a summer job with us. The position includes room and board and salary is negotioable and because our camp is fully international, wil at: teencamp@ix.netcom.com Thanks in advance for any help. Richard Jenkins -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 08:20:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:10:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Generic Question Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:27:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.12716.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif? My MIL learned glass from him, and she is telling me he is world famous. Me being skeptical, and her trying to be more than what she is, are in disagreement, and have $10.00 riding on this. Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 09:55:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Generic Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif? > > My MIL learned glass from him, and she > is telling me he is world famous. Me > being skeptical, and her trying to be > more than what she is, are in disagreement, > and have $10.00 riding on this. World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. On the other hand, I'd *like to know what his work is like, so if you talk to him, let him know I'm interested. (Do I get a piece of the ten dollars?) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 10:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:21:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsSOPHIA From: MsSOPHIA To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:20:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar6.182019.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-06 12:55:52 EST, you write: << My MIL learned glass from him, and she > is telling me he is world famous. Me > being skeptical, and her trying to be > more than what she is, are in disagreement, > and have $10.00 riding on this. World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. >> I echo that response...have been "in glass" for at least 20 years and have neither seen nor heard of this artist. M.S.Hanson, Design Dept. Paned Expressions Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 11:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:27:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: copyright website Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199803061818.NAA22392@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk TWIMC: after the discussions last couple of weeks about copyright I thought some of you find the following website useful: http://www.benedict.com/ Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 11:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: $10.00 bet Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.5824.0> Precedence: bulk Albert and Ms Sophia, I am very happy to get your responses! Hmmm, though my 10.00 just got reduced to $3.333! Knowing my MIL as I do, I knew she was full of it. She is the type who always has to be one up on someone! Again thanks! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 13:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Generic Question Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:18:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.61829.0> References: <<83b65d75.350058a5@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk B Hope > this can help you clear up this identity problem.Beveler4(Stan) Stan, Thanks! I do know that Nick is Marks brother. Maybe my MIL was referring to Mark as being famous, and saying that she learned from Nick. Does this mean I lose? Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 13:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:18:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: vlclover@rconnect.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Generic Question Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:12:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar6.201219.0> Precedence: bulk I have heard of Mark Bogenrief I think thats how you spell his last name . He started out as a beveler and did some really incredible work from the pictures that I have seen.If you have access to a library find the book called "How to Worked with Beveled Glass" by Anita and Cy Seymour published by chilton in their glass series . Mark has alot of his work pictured in this book. B Hope this can help you clear up this identity problem.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 14:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: copyright website Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980306165257.0068feb8@mail.clis.com> References: <<199803061818.NAA22392@dns.city-net.com>> Precedence: bulk At 01:24 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Daniela Birkelbach wrote: >TWIMC: > >after the discussions last couple of weeks about copyright I thought some >of you find the following website useful: > >http://www.benedict.com/ > >Dany > >Daniela Birkelbach > When I tried to go there all I got was: 500 Server Error The transfer limit for this user has been reached Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 14:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:28:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Laurean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Generic Question Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.122541.0> References: <<1998Mar6.12716.0>> Precedence: bulk Laurean wrote: > > Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif? > > My MIL learned glass from him, and she > is telling me he is world famous. Me > being skeptical, and her trying to be > more than what she is, are in disagreement, > and have $10.00 riding on this. > > Laurean > > ---- nope never heard of him.. what does he do? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 15:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:35:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: vlclover@rconnect.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Generic Question Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:31:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar6.223110.0> Precedence: bulk I hope that you can still collect your ten dollars. By the way I gave the wrong names for the writers of the book, it was Anita and Seymour Isenberg that wrote the book. Thought that I'd better correct that and give credit where due.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 15:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:49:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.123515.0> Precedence: bulk Haven't heard of him either- 23 years in glass for Michael. Whenever I hear the expression "world-renowned" I have to wonder whose world?;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Internationally Unknown Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 15:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:50:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pricing fused glass Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:47:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306164751.007e5bf0@mail.tznet.com> Precedence: bulk HI! I have just started doing some fused glass paperweights. Who says glass paper weights need to be blown, with some stuff inside. People use railroad nails etc. for holding down paper. These are quite nice, and heavy enough for weights. I have in the past for my fused glass plates, weighed the finished product, used a formula I worked out to figure out just how much GNA glass was actually in the piece, plus some waste, estimated labor/shop expenses, a small mark up for shop and that was the wholesale price, then the retail price was times 2. These pieces are basically, seven layers of 2.5" square off set upon each other, with various colors making up each square layer. They are about 1.25" thick, but with down turned rounded off corners sticking out in all directions. This makes it easy to pick up. They are all cathedral glasses. Now I weighed one and it weighs 6.25 oz. using the formula I previously used for plates and bowls, makes it around $20.00 wholesale and $40.00 retail. My kiln is large enough to do probably 20-30 at a time, so that expense is negligible. Besides electricity here in this town is real cheap. The computer tells me how many kilowatts I have used for any one firing, and it amounts to less than $2.00 per firing. Even at the long extended times needed for this thickness of glass. Anyone out there know or feel these prices too high, or too low? I am looking for some products I can produce and market to galleries. But never looked at paper weights, when I was out of town at galleries, and can't compare them to the blown ones anyway. Certainly appreciate any suggestions I can get. I will photograph some next week, have several in kiln today. Then will get them up on web page. With Alberts help of course. Thanks, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 16:13:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: copyright website Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199803062255.RAA10538@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Dava, I just tried it again - works fine for me. It was voted Cool site of the day by WEBREVIEW - might have been busy. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---------- > From: Kopp > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: copyright website > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 4:52 PM > > At 01:24 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Daniela Birkelbach wrote: > >TWIMC: > > > >after the discussions last couple of weeks about copyright I thought some > >of you find the following website useful: > > > >http://www.benedict.com/ > > > >Dany > > > >Daniela Birkelbach > > > > When I tried to go there all I got was: > > 500 Server Error > The transfer limit for this user has been reached > > Dava > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 16:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: colorprinting.net!quotes From: To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Full Color Printing via the Internet Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to let you know about a new way to get FULL COLOR PRINTING via the Internet. colorprinting.net offers on-demand full-color printing in quantities from 100 to 50,000 or more, with turnaround time as fast as 24-hours. You may place orders online and transfer your files to us via FTP or simply mail them on disk. We support all major desktop publishing applications on both Windows and Macintosh platforms. For more information, including price lists, please visit our Web site at http://www.colorprinting.net [Please remember to use the .net domain suffix, NOT .com] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 17:05:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $10.00 bet Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:32:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.11323.0> References: <<1998Mar6.5824.0>> Precedence: bulk I've only been doing glass for 6 months or so but I love it. I've read and looked at anything I can find on the Web and my library. Never heard of him. At this point in my life, Albert, Len, Howard, Elisabeth, Mike, Dani, Elizabeth, Christy, Stan, etc (anyone who gives of themselves to answers our newbie questions) (and we know who they are) are my most famous and world reknowed artists. Guess I just love the ones who take out time for me. And us. I hope to be able to help and contribute more in the future as my skills grow. Strive for excellence, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 18:28:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Free fairy pattern Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:49:59 +0100 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hello to all, last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following Internet address: http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm Please not: the address are not on our main page or other. We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA. I hope you like the pattern. I could not very good English, but i read the most of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me, because i could not writing many in the list. herbert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 20:28:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:58:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Free fairy pattern Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 04:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <<199803070300.TAA15324@intergate.lasercom.net>> Precedence: bulk Thank you Jean. I am Sorry, i forgo one / an i do not know about the http OK but the patter are on the Server. Not clicking. Please take the right Mouse key and take from the "Menu?" store up? under to your disk. I hope you understand, herbert Jean schrieb: > Also, Herbert (sorry, I called you 'harold' in the last post!), your > address on this message is incorrect. It needs to be > http://www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm (or you could just use > www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm, we do not need to use the http://) > You might want to send a correction to Bungi for this. > > However, I still cannot pull up the patter by clicking on your link on the > fairy page. > > Jean > jean@lasercom.net > > ---------- > > From: Herbert Luidolt > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Free fairy pattern > > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 5:49 PM > > > > Hello to all, > > last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some > > send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following > > Internet address: > > > http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm > > Must have two (2) // or just begin with www...... > > > > Please not: the address are not on our main page or other. > > We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern > > are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale > > our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA. > > > > I hope you like the pattern. > > I could not very good English, but i read the most > > of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me, > > because i could not writing many in the list. > > > > herbert > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 20:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:16:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I was off line for a week Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.18121.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk talk about bungi withdrawal!!! Due to a computer glitch, have not been logged on for over a week. Ouch!!! almost 1,000 message's tonight. I owe several people mail, but will have to wade through this all. Glad to be back even though I mostly lurk during show busy times (all winter in Florida) oh my aching back, packing, hauling, setting up, tearing down etc. and so on. Please be patient will get to all the letters yet. Can you believe I haven't finished answering Christmas notes yet? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 21:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where's the Bios Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.161850.0> Precedence: bulk I have been waiting patiently for some Bios. Now I'm getting violent. Where have all the bungis gone. I need the bios. (8-) Patick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 22:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:14:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:13:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar7.51337.0> Precedence: bulk What?!? You've never heard of him? Well, I am really surprised. He is my mentor. Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early 1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method. Using chewing gum wrappers, he has created many a master piece. Works of his may be found in the Smithsonian and the like. If standing close enough to a large window that he created, you can sometimes hear radio stations from as far away as Korea. Gotcha! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 22:26:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:15:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Etching Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:14:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.171442.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Again, I have the good fortune to be able to use a computer that has a lazer engraver to etch almost everything. The baby footprint idea is a wonderful idea. I have taken it one step further, my son and his wife will celebrate thier first wedding anniversary soon and I have asked her mother to send me a copy of her birth certificate. I'm going to scan her right foot and her left foot, and laser engrave the date of marriage, and other data. It is great because you can use any font, any photo, any graphic, etc. I let you all know how it turns out. BTW (nag, nag, nag,) Bios, input ... input .... input. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 22:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:08:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: dianebsmith@juno.com Subject: Re: bronze lampbases Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.20655.0> References: <<1998Mar4.17495.0>> Precedence: bulk Diane, You could try Handley Industries in Buffalo. 716-893-5377 While not "genuine bronze", they do have floor lamp bases at a reasonable price. (No, I'm not a shill for Handley!) ;-) Gary Dodge www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:49:05 -0500 dianebsmith@juno.com (Diane B. Smith) writes: > This is my first communication with this group. I want to >purchase bronze lampbases, perhaps lost wax ones, for 2 Tiffany style >shades I have received as gifts. I want a floor base for a 28" >Magnolia >and a table base for a 22" floral. The bases at the local stained >glass >shops are as expensive as the shades (which I hope to make some day, >when >the children are older). If anyone knows where I can obtain good >quality >bronze bases at reasonable prices, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I >live in upstate N.Y., if shipping is an issue. Thank you. > Diane B. Smith > dianebsmith@juno.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 6 23:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com Subject: Re: One-piece glass shades Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar6.20325.0> References: <<1998Mar5.103620.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani, Not sure if these are what you're looking for, but I recently got a new product announcement from J Handley & Co. aka Handley Industries announcing "Crystal Bristol Glass Shades for mosaics or painting. Call them at 716-893-5377 Gary Dodge www.dodgestudio.com >Hi All- > >I have for some time now been >looking for a source of glass shades- >half-sphere with a hole drilled in the >center, with or without a sandblasted >outer surface. I have had numerous >requests for Handel-style custom >lamp shades. These are painted with >artists colors on the inside, traditionally >with a landscape or floral design, and >the sandblast on the outside softens the >effect as well as diffuses the light. I >saw a whole gaggle of them in various >sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China >of course!) so I know the shades are >manufactured somewhere! Any leads >are much appreciated - thanks! > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 07:04:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:18:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: " pkelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: bios Date: Sat, 7 Mar 98 09:20:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199803071418.JAA19692@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dear Getting-Violent Patrick (formerly Roses & Rainbows): How are you planning on releasing these bios? If it's alphabetical, we need to know Elisabeth's last name. It could be Aardvark, not Zwinehund. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 08:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:23:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing fused glass Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:21:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.52150.0> Precedence: bulk Pat Diacca Topp asked about fused paperweight prices. Your proposed prices are very much in line with what I pay for wholesale blown paperweights. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 08:20:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:23:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "Michael J. Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.52147.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:23:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "Michael J. Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.52147.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Just checking..... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:04:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199803071612.QAA09708@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Suzanne, Patrick et al.. Bios.....hmm! Before we arrive at "Z" (for Zwinehund ;-) ) we still have to go through all the "A's", "B's" etc, which.... reminds me...... Albright comes loong before. I assume that Mr. Kelly ALREADY (therefore) is in full possession of your little epistle.... heh...? Mr. Kelly, by the way, has already received half a bio from this little corner, but I have still plenty of time before my full turn comes.... The original proposal was to release one a week.(Though I suppose it could be more, depending how much hassle everybody gives Patrick to part with a little something!) So we should expect YOURS next WEEK!!!! :-D Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ...whose name could be Anderson, Johansson, Ragnaroek, Zwinehund, Pettersson.... It's somewhere in between ;-> (You'll have to wait & see....) Suzanne wrote: Dear Getting-Violent Patrick (formerly Roses & Rainbows): How are you planning on releasing these bios? If it's alphabetical, we need to know Elisabeth's last name. It could be Aardvark, not Zwinehund. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 09:08:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:30:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts , Gla@smtp2.erols.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: computer down Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 11:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.62929.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! My computer, too, was down and decommissioned for over a week and I just got it up and running yesterday. I had so many messages from bungi, but I did notice quite a few said they'd had computer trouble too at this time. We never could figure out what had gone wrong with mine. Do you think this was just an unlucky coincidence? Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 09:36:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:01:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: CWWSLW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:52:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.25224.0> References: <<1998Mar7.51337.0>> Precedence: bulk > Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early > 1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method. > > Gotcha! > Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Susan and all, Thanks for the many replies. I have done some investigating of my own. And this is my findings. Nick of the tinfoil method, is the father of Nick the teacher of my MIL, and the father of Mark the beveler. I am throwing the towel in on this one, and negotiating the $10.00 issue. Maybe because in some way we were both right and wrong, we can make the bet null and void! Nex time I will not gamble with so much money! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 10:09:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:42:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Free fairy pattern Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:41:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <<35015E93.6EFF@worldnet.att.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike and all other, the pattern are ready now. I think yesterday it was to late for a work on the PC (Germany time 4,00 in the morning) ;-) mike peck schrieb: > Herbert, > > I tried the URL from your post to bungi, but it would not work. Please > check it and post again. > > http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm > > Also, I can appreciate that English is not your primary language, but I > understand you perfectly in your posts. Thank you for trying to > communicate with us in a language that is difficult for you. > > Mike Peck > > > Herbert Luidolt wrote: > > > > Hello to all, > > last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some > > send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following > > Internet address: http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm > > > > Please not: the address are not on our main page or other. > > We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern > > are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale > > our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA. > > > > I hope you like the pattern. > > I could not very good English, but i read the most > > of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me, > > because i could not writing many in the list. > > > > herbert > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 13:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:58:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: One-piece glass shades Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:57:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.105736.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responded to the glass shade question. Handley's in Buffalo, NY is the place to go. For = you information, they are wholesale only so have your tax or business license = available even before you can order the catalog. The good news is their minimum order is only $50. They carry everything related to lighting. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 15:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:20:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'M. Savad'" , Laurean , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Generic Question Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:42:53 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.144253.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, If you are taking a poll, I have not heard of him. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:morn@nac.net] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:26 PM To: Laurean Subject: Re: Generic Question Laurean wrote: > > Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif? > > My MIL learned glass from him, and she > is telling me he is world famous. Me > being skeptical, and her trying to be > more than what she is, are in disagreement, > and have $10.00 riding on this. > > Laurean > > ---- nope never heard of him.. what does he do? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 15:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:21:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'pkelly'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Etching Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:31:22 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.143122.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, what is a laser engraver that is operating with the computer.. How does it operate. Thanks Gloria -----Original Message----- From: pkelly [SMTP:pkelly@n-link.com] Sent: Saturday, March 07, 1998 3:15 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Etching Hello Again, I have the good fortune to be able to use a computer that has a lazer engraver to etch almost everything. The baby footprint idea is a wonderful idea. I have taken it one step further, my son and his wife will celebrate thier first wedding anniversary soon and I have asked her mother to send me a copy of her birth certificate. I'm going to scan her right foot and her left foot, and laser engrave the date of marriage, and other data. It is great because you can use any font, any photo, any graphic, etc. I let you all know how it turns out. BTW (nag, nag, nag,) Bios, input ... input .... input. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 15:37:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:22:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: IGGA News Memo Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:59:25 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.145925.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, At about what time will you arrive at Yough.. I am one of the lucky = bungians that lives in the Yough neighborhood (45 minutes away, and = wanting to buy a decent green lampglass) and would like to meet with = you, and the fun loving bus load of bungians there.. By the way, will = you being leading the song "1,000 bottles of beer on the wall" =20 Please leave me know Gloria=20 -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@vgernet.net] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:01 AM To: Int'l@daver.bungi.com; Guild@daver.bungi.com; of@daver.bungi.com; = Glass@daver.bungi.com; Artists@daver.bungi.com Subject: IGGA News Memo THE BUS IS FULL The bus trip to Youghiogheny Glass, Fallingwater, and Nemacolin =20 Woodlands Resort planned by Warner-Crivellaro for their Glass=20 Lover's Weekend, departing Allentown on Saturday, April 18th at 5:00=20 a.m. bound for the Youghiogheny Glass Factory in Connellsville,=20 Pennsylvania is fully booked. If you missed this one, you'll be=20 interested to know that they're planning another one for September.=20 We'll keep you posted. NEW WORK ONLINE We added even more work to the Architectural Art Glass Light Show=20 this morning ... not a lot, but very nice work by Arthur Stern of=20 California is right at the top of the show at this point. (The images=20 of his work are linked to his web site, which is one of the nicest=20 we've seen -- congrats, Arthur!) Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the upper left-hand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" ... = simple!) Remember: the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper right-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward" and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image? Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back." Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 15:39:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:37:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:43:32 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > At about what time will you arrive at Yough. Unfortunately, I won't be able to go along on the trip. For your other questions, call 1-800-523-4242 or 610-264-1100, extension #128 and ask for Chris. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 16:10:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:19:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'Stephanie Hansen'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Cat eyes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:19:59 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.161959.0> Precedence: bulk Hi you all, just trying to catch up on my mail.. For eyes, I use Australian = Rhinestones.. For dragons, I use red, for most birds, they are black, = for the center of flowers, whatever color might apply.. They are nice, = since they are mirror backed, they reflect most colors in the dark or = catch a glimmer of light when walking by.. For cat's eyes. might chose a = peridot or yellow/amber and scratch a line on the back, paint it black = and solder it to the project..=20 Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Hansen [SMTP:sgt@glasstreasures.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 2:05 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cat eyes Suzanne had several good suggestions on eyes. I've used paint before, also, but what I usually use for eyes on my hummingbirds, goldfish, etc. are little solder blobs that I glue on. I often have little drops of solder that dry up with a flat bottom and rounded top that work out perfectly for eyes. Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 16:28:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!paintedlight From: "Valerie Spellman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Art Fairs Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:18:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.111836.0> Precedence: bulk Hi. My name is Valerie Spellman and I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I am new to the bungi group. I have been working full time in stained glass for two years. This summer I will be participating in my first juried art fair. I was wondering if anyone in the group makes their living at art fairs and if they have any suggestions for a successful show. Thanks! Valerie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 17:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:00:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bungi..com: non-recoverable error) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:00:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803080100.UAA02260@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: >Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:54 -0500 (EST) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >To: >Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bungi..com: non-recoverable error) >Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > > >The original message was received at Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) >from dial4.waterw.com [209.107.20.19] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 ... Host unknown (Name server: bungi..com: non-recoverable error) >Reporting-MTA: dns; water.waterw.com >Received-From-MTA: DNS; dial4.waterw.com >Arrival-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; glass@bungi..com >Action: failed >Status: 5.1.2 >Remote-MTA: DNS; bungi..com >Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:54 -0500 (EST) >Return-Path: >Received: from Default (dial4.waterw.com [209.107.20.19]) > by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02131 > for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) >Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <199803080055.TAA02131@water.waterw.com> >X-Sender: artglass@water.waterw.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: glass@bungi..com >From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >Subject: Re: Generic Question > >>To: "Albert Lewis" >>From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >>Subject: Re: Generic Question >>Cc: >>Bcc: >>X-Attachments: >> >>I know I am late with this but >> >> >>>> Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif? >> >> >>Never. And ditto to Albert's answer. >>And what is the tinfoil method.???????????????????? >>And what do you use it for??????? Shake and bake? >> >>my best, >>pj >> >> >> >>>> >>>> My MIL learned glass from him, and she >>>> is telling me he is world famous. Me >>>> being skeptical, and her trying to be >>>> more than what she is, are in disagreement, >>>> and have $10.00 riding on this. >>> >>>World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the >>>past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he >>>doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than >>>that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's >>>incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's >>>name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world >>>famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. >>> >>>On the other hand, I'd *like to know what his work is like, so if you >>>talk to him, let him know I'm interested. (Do I get a piece of the >>>ten dollars?) >>> >>>Albert >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >>> >> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 18:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: CWWSLW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Generic Question-Echoed Answer Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:34:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.123459.0> References: <<1998Mar7.51337.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk CWWSLW wrote: > > What?!? You've never heard of him? Well, I am really surprised. He is my > mentor. > Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early > 1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method. Using chewing gum wrappers, > he has created many a master piece. Works of his may be found in the > Smithsonian and the like. If standing close enough to a large window that he > created, you can sometimes hear radio stations from as far away as Korea. > Gotcha! > Susan > ---- ...and they said that there was no more LIFE on bungi since the Great Blackout of '98!!?!?!?!??? puuuhLEEEZZZ!!!! This is the goofiest place I evah hoyyd! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 18:38:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:13:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Artglaswks From: Artglaswks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Help me figure this one out Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:12:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar8.21242.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians: A client has commissioned me to create a 3 x 6 foot pannel to be installed in an exisiting window space of that size. This panel is to be of aesthetic value only and will not open and close. The client has proposed the incorporation of a light box to be installed with the panel so they might enjoy its beauty in the evening hours as well. I will appreciate any comments from bungians who have taken on this sort of feat and may be able to assist me. Many thanks, K L Winter-Schulz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 18:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:57:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.124948.0> References: <<1998Mar7.145925.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Gloria & George wrote: > > Albert, > At about what time will you arrive at Yough.. I am one of the lucky = > bungians that lives in the Yough neighborhood (45 minutes away, and = > wanting to buy a decent green lampglass) and would like to meet with = > you, and the fun loving bus load of bungians there.. By the way, will = > you being leading the song "1,000 bottles of beer on the wall" =20 > Please leave me know > Gloria=20 > ---- Don't you mean the song, "1,000 samples of glass in the hall, 1,000 samples of glass. You take one down to pass--it falls down & breaks to become a pain in the...!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 7 22:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Update to the Bios Saga Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:44:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.174457.0> Precedence: bulk About five on my disk and 395 or so to go. This is as hard as chicken lips or herding cats. Heeeeellllllp. Take time to send me your bios or I will hex every pattern you cut to have many an inside curves. And always remember: " All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy .... and Jill a wealthy widow" - Evan Esar Has anyone seen Jill. Tell her to call and we'll do lunch. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 09:38:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:09:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: Artglaswks@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help me figure this one out Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:31:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar8.163112.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-07 21:38:34 EST, Artglaswks@aol.com writes: << A client has commissioned me to create a 3 x 6 foot pannel to be installed in an exisiting window space of that size. This panel is to be of aesthetic value only and will not open and close. The client has proposed the incorporation of a light box to be installed with the panel so they might enjoy its beauty in the evening hours as well. I will appreciate any comments from bungians who have taken on this sort of feat and may be able to assist me. >> What about just installing an outside light that can be turned on at night and shine through the window so it can be illuminated at night? Just a thought......... Diane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 11:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Art Fairs Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.82212.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Valerie Spellman" >This summer I will be participating in my first juried art fair. I was wondering if anyone in the group makes their living at art fairs and = if they have any suggestions for a successful show.< How to survive your first juried art fair: - Make a list of what you will need to take with you to the art fair. Here's my partial list: Artwork: panels, suncatchers, mirrors, boxes, lamps, lampbases, jewelry misc.: suction hooks, display stands, jewelry stands Supplies legal papers, signage, business cards, sales/order book, MC/VISA stuff, photo book, pattern books (opt.), gift certificates, newspaper reprints, calculator,= $$$ & change, black & red pens & paper, pricing stickers, bags & bubble wrap, glass cleaner & cloth, camera & film Comforts water, soda, cooler, lunch, snacks, something to do (read), boombox & CDs= (if allowed) show clothes & set-up/tear-down clothes Outdoors: umbrella, sunglasses & sunscreen Setup display unit, furniture polish & cloth, folding chair, table cloth for hiding wrapping supplies & bags, chain, (2) needle-nose pliers, regular pliers, rubber mallet, fishing line, scissors, hanging hooks, re-inforced tape Indoor setup: track lights, (6) 50 watt bulbs, track lighting hardware, extension chords, (2) switches, power strip I'm sure I've forgotten something, but others will fill it in. Good luck= =2E Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 13:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:18:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New Tool Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:16:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803082116.QAA06482@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk I have just found what the world of glass is coming to. Check out http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html After this I think I need a cup of coffee. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 14:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: westnet.com!codlum From: C Odlum To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: silvering Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:34:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.11344.0> Organization: WestNet Internet Services Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a poor reflection). Regards, Catherine Odlum ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 14:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:16:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Art Fairs/bring Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:16:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.61659.0> Precedence: bulk I can add some selling techniques..... If your items run the gamut of prices from under $10.00 to a few hundred or more, be PREPARED to offer a "gift " (cheap) to a wavering large spender....people will spend a lot of money to get something for "free". Some of the shows get people who wait out the last day to "negotiate" a better price as they think you do not want to pack it up and take it home....if you get that feeling, joking suggest that the last day may be even higher, as it did not sell at a lower price. Play with the public, if you have not sold a piece, what is there to loose. Whenever possible, get a deposit, and if they change their mind (not long term) return the deposit. If it is a fast moving item and you have a lot of them, mark sold on one or two, people are usually more comfortable when their choices are re-inforced by others doing the same thing (buying the same type item). More later as I have a ceramic tile job to do. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 15:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:48:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:52:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.105213.0> References: <<1998Mar8.82212.0>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Christie wrote: > I'm sure I've forgotten something, but others will fill it in. Though it has been a few years since I've done shows, Christi's list looks great. The only other thing I would add is a guestbook. This can be an invaluable tool for future announcements and sales. Be sure to have (and give away) a hefty supply of business cards. One of my last multi-thousand dollar jobs stemmed from an overheard conversation in a restaurant and a tattered business card from a show years ago. Although I'm sure others have different experiences, business cards have probably been my single biggest generator of commissioned sales. Good luck and have fun, Valerie! :) Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 15:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:11:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New Tool Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:18:47 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I have just found what the world of glass is coming to. pj, The phrases in the text ("This is an insired art object and not to be taken seriously as a real tool. ... Paramount to all of its outstanding features, the Electronic Cordless Glass Cutter never wares out" should have tipped you off to the fact that it's a knee-slapper. We posted this to bungi a few weeks ago and even included it on the "New Products" page at stainedglassbiz.com for a minute or two (okay, it was a day or so). Something makes me think it's a Dan Fenton Production, particularly since there's a mention of *fish! (He's a madman when it comes to fishing.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 16:14:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New Tool Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:26:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar8.232639.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-08 16:39:36 EST, artglass@water.waterw.com writes: << I have just found what the world of glass is coming to. Check out http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html After this I think I need a cup of coffee. my best, pj >> Hi pj, You did notice that it says that the item is an art object and not functional, didn't you? Even so, I still think it's pretty goofy too. Susie......whose glass cutter is already cordless, thank you very much! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 16:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: C Odlum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: silvering Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.13541.0> References: <<1998Mar8.11344.0>> Precedence: bulk C Odlum wrote: > > Hello, > I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when > a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in > Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be > produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing > with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a > poor reflection). > > Regards, > Catherine Odlum > ---- from what i've seen on tv you need to have a very clean piece of clear glass. de-ionized water, which i believe is charged with electrons. then the silver is deposited on the glass by an electroplate process. but the guy was talking fast, so that may not be the most accurate in the world. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 17:10:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:13:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Rudley's Home Page Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:11:48 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.01148.0> Precedence: bulk Knee Deep Inc. Home Page I don't know if this link will work on this type of list, but I'm giving it a shot. If it doesn't the URL is: http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/index.html The Electronic Cutter is pictured, as well as, Yepper Fish. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 17:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:45:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Shiela Dunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bumblebee Stained Glass Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.84740.0> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, CGA Precedence: bulk To Paul Wallace, Bumblebee Stained Glass in Caldwell, Ohio I lost your address. Please e-mail tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 17:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:51:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:50:33 -0800 Message-ID: <199803090050.QAA12099@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Scanning Christie's list over quickly, I noticed she forgot to mention the following: *** your portfolio *** pattern books are ok, but they don't show what YOU are capable of. I always take one or 2 large commissions that I haven't yet installed to highlight as show stoppers. Take commissions that are truly representative of the style of glass you enjoy doing most...make sure the designs are original. Even if these pieces are going to be permanently installed, solder some hooks on temporarily...you can remove them later. Put SOLD on it, and the price...generates lots of interest, particularly if it's an unusual technique. I have landed several repeat clients this way... I also have a plastic tool box that is always kept stocked and ready to go with all the tools, odds and ends that Christy mentioned. As for something to read, I would say NOT. Remember, you're not just as the show to sell in the moment, you're there to make contacts for future sales. So schmooze your little heart out...someone may be looking for a specific item that you could land as a custom order...or you can get an idea about what might be a hot seller for future shows. If it's not busy, talk to other artists around you...you can learn lots about when the best shows are for the following year if you're going to take this up as a serious marketing route. Be sure and take down names, numbers of anyone who expresses interest (I usually jot down a couple of notes too as soon as they leave). Be sure and follow up with a phone call within 1 month of the show. The notes are important...that way you can say "Hi Mrs. Smith, we were talking last month at the XXX Art Show about the prairie style cabinet doors...if I remember correctly, you were wanting some purple glass in them to match your... (This kind of "memory" impresses the hell out of prospective clients) and it's important in dealing with high end clients. Depending on the show and its history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at juried shows. Good luck Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative (who is using select high end shows to build a custom clientele) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 18:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:57:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New Tool Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:56:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803090056.TAA15618@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk HI Susie, I did know it was an art object. Just wanted to pass it on. my best, pj < did notice that it says that the item is an art object and not functional, >didn't you? Even so, I still think it's pretty goofy too. > >Susie......whose glass cutter is already cordless, thank you very much! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 19:49:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:17:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: 'bungians' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Inspiration Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:10:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.111051.0> Precedence: bulk Hi again everyone. I have just gotten back on the list. I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is frustrating. Thanks, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 20:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:03:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tiffany windows on A&E's America 's Castles. Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.1217.0> References: <<1998Mar8.84740.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was watching A&E's American Castles. They showed this mansion built by a coal heiress/widow(wasn't really watching, just listening and looking up now and then). I am sure Albert knows where it is(don't you Albert?). It got my attention when they showed 3 windows done by Tiffany. They are valued now at over 5 million dollars. The home overlooks the Youghiogheny River. It was great to hear someone pronounce that word with ease. The windows were out of this world and are considered amoung Tiffany's best work. It is a museum now. The care and detail and workmanship in each room, is enough to make you drool. Tiffany's windows are a bonus. Shame you guys going on the bus trip, couldn't take a detour. Oh well next times A&E airs America's Castles you can see them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 8 23:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:10:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:09:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.7912.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-08 20:48:11 EST, you write: << As for something to read, I would say NOT. Remember, you're not just as the show to sell in the moment, you're there to make contacts for future sales. So schmooze your little heart out...someone may be looking for a specific item that you could land as a custom order...or you can get an idea about what might be a hot seller for future shows. >> Hi, I've been lurking for a few weeks and have been learning some useful things about glass. Thanks. I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 06:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:31:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.21448.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've really enjoyed reading this thread. I don't have any plans for ever doing shows, but I've found the topic very interesting. I guess you never know. Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is? I don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term and have no clue what it means? Does someone judge what will be in the show? Thanks, Jerri Depending on the show and its >history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at >juried shows. > >Good luck > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 07:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: donald f davis To: DMR74 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fluxamatic Mashed Potato Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:50:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar9.35040.0> References: <<1998Mar5.163123.0>> Precedence: bulk I hate to pop your bubble... but as a stained glasser and an electrician by trade. It is 100% possible for the power in her outlet to run at "half mast" or anything in between. I think you should have the iron and the power both checked out! It could save the fire department a trip to your house. Don.... On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, DMR74 wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write: > > > Electrical outlets either work or > > they don't work. (they don't run at half mast) > this isn't entirely true, I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I > do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an > extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the > motor. > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 08:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:02:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Melissa Thaxton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:58:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.45841.0> References: <<1998Mar8.111051.0>> Precedence: bulk Melissa Thaxton wrote: > > Hi again everyone. > I have just gotten back on the list. > I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do > a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay > comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for > my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am > especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is > frustrating. > Thanks, > Melissa > > ---- do what i do: look through books and pictures of buildings and architecture, for more intresting shapes. or if you want somthing more simple, look through your shells, rocks, bevels, drapery glass, etc for an insert. or for a medium box, make it simple, but make a 5 piece lid, and insert a tray (like my pink boxes). or look it up online, there are quite a few other people that have boxes online. like my site. :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 08:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:04:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: PDRUSS@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:02:44 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Dianne, I, too hate it when a shop owner or booth owner hovers over me and explains every detail...makes me feel like I'm going to steal or have no idea what I'm looking at or I don't have enough inteligence to understand why the object costs. But I also hate it when I have a question about something and have to interrupt someone's reading or working to ask it. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation >>> P D RUSS 03/09 1:09 AM >>> I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 08:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:10:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:06:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.5614.0> References: <<1998Mar9.21448.0>> Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've really enjoyed reading this thread. I don't have any plans > for ever doing shows, but I've found the topic very interesting. I guess > you never know. Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is? I > don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term > and have no clue what it means? Does someone judge what will be in the > show? > > Thanks, > Jerri > > > > Depending on the show and its > >history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at > >juried shows. > > > >Good luck > > > >Carol Swann > >Synergy Glass & Creative a juried show is a show that you can sell your items, but may also get a prize for entering something nice. i'm pretty sure you have to pay to get in (as the artist). it's like an artshow (with paintings and the like), where your competing and selling. a normal craft show, you sell stuff, but the only prize is the booty you get to bring home with you at the end of the day. (you can fill in your own definition of booty). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:13:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:10:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.151023.0> Precedence: bulk Melissa, try to sit back and enjoy a bunch of pattern books and stainglass catologs, after a time you will find things that you want to do. I do this only because my shop is across the field in my office and I only go there in the am so at nite I study the patterns. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:14:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980309151005.00696530@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Melissa : I know EXACTLY what you have. A friend calls it "drop-arse" I am suffering from a bad case of it right now! I can tell you that it is not fatal, and my personal solution is to sit right down and read several of the books that have been waiting my attention for a couple of months now. With any luck at all the feeling will pass fairly soon and I can get back to all the glass stuff that is waiting me. Linda At 07:10 PM 8/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi again everyone. > I have just gotten back on the list. >I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do >a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay >comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for >my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am >especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is >frustrating. >Thanks, > Melissa > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:42:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: jroey@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:36:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.153616.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-09 09:20:40 EST, jroey@juno.com writes: << Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is? I don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term and have no clue what it means? Does someone judge what will be in the show? Hello Jerri, A "juried show" just means that you are asked to send in pictures or slides of your work that are viewed by a committe who will decide which applications are accepted for entrance in the show. In other non-juried shows many times a photo is requested, and in other shows anyone who applys while there is still space to be had, is accepted. The overall quality of the works displayed tends to be higher in the juried shows because of the stricter entrance requirements ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:16:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:17:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:15:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803091515.KAA13633@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Diane, You have to realize that at an art fair the only time the artist has to get you to purchase (and that is the main reason they are there) is to approach you as soon as you enter their space. Most artists enjoy telling stories of how they do what they do and where their inspiration comes from. And to be honest most people who attend craft or art shows are there because they enjoy art and socializing with artists. And hearing those stories. The problem with not approaching people when they enter your booth at a show is they will think you are disinterested in them and your own work. Selling Art at craft and art shows is an "art" in itself. You have to really be able to read people. And most of the time its like being on stage for one or two days at a time and some shows even more. Thats why the recovery period is so long . Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is anything they can help you with. I understand the feeling of pressure you get when someone is hovering over you the whole time. But there are diplomatic ways to get around it without hurting anyone's feelings. my best, pj ( who is grateful that her show days are over!!!!) > > I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and >being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait >to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but >I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little >detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask. > > > Dianne > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:33:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:27:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: mthaxton@softcom.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:23:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.152357.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-08 22:49:58 EST, mthaxton@softcom.net writes: << have just gotten back on the list. I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is frustrating. Thanks, Melissa >> Gee Melissa, I dont realy blame you for not wanting to work in a cold work area. I think the first thing is to make your work area as comfortable and inviteing as possible. I have a stereo system on a shelf above my work area (a gift form my hubby who does glass too) To help feel inspired I just listen to some really good music that I love and enjoy, and its easier to work happily away. Maybe choosing some glass that excites you and working on a new version of one of your box designs would get you started.....then even a radio and a space heater (temporary while you work) could help make that work area more inviteing. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:54:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:52:44 -0800 Message-ID: <199803091552.HAA19884@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and >being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait >to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but >I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little >detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask. Diane, I know what you mean...and nothign sends me out of a store faster than what you describe. I'm glad you wrote back...I'd hate to have anyone think that's what I'm advocating. Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word but don't know what else to call it. Basically, I engage people in conversation...and LISTEN MORE THAN I TALK. We often don't even talk about my glass...I ask questions about what drew them into the booth...often they're thinking about having a window done but don't know how to describe it. I help them clarify their ideas, compliment them on their taste (after all, they're in MY booth ), ask them where they're from, etc. People love to talk about themselves, and it's a great way to get feedback...if enough people say I'm looking for a widget in glass, maybe you should build some widgets for your next show. This is called market research. Listen to your potential customers. Last show I did, a sweet older lady in her 70s ended up telling me all about the bed her husband built her when they were married...that was her touchpoint to art...the appreciation of the time, energy and love that went into his woodworking. No, I didn't sell her anything this time, but she has my card, knows where my store is and she may buy a gift for someone in the future. That's what I call schmoozing...I rarely go all technical about my work, and I always ask first before I show someone a variety of items they might be interested in. There are times when that's appropriate and they'll let you know if that's what they want. Guess I developed this out of the fact I hate being sold to, plus the fact that glass is a solitary occupation and it's a chance to get out into the real world for a couple of days. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative (who is looking forward to warmer weather when she can move to her outdoor studio instead of looking through a window at the rain) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 09:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980309155815.00668ef8@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Seriously Melissa-- It's a problem we all have at one time or another. Why don't you check your work space - see if it needs tidying, re-organizing, whatever. Make yourself something - we so rarely take the time to do something for ourselves. Make a little fairy to hang in the window for good luck, or make a little flower to remind you that spring is really coming. Sometimes just the simple act of getting the cutter out and making that first score will be enough to get the creative juices flowing again. Mine arn't flowing yet, but I know it will happen soon. Linda GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 10:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:43:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "jerri m Roey" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.04213.0> Precedence: bulk Juried fairs are when a group of "knowledgeable" persons look at work to see if it acceptable to be sold. I ask for the "jury's" credentials, so I know what skill they have in evaluating a shade/s that may start at a modest price of $3,000 and go to $9,000. I enjoy "tweaking" the establishment and reminding some galleries, that but for consigning artists being exploited in subtle ways, they may as well fry "burgers" instead of appropriating art to be sold and paid for in as long a delay as possible.........I have culled out my galleries to only ones who are WILLING and do own my work, are not corporate entities, and if I show up after hours, can I find an owner, and also have "been there". I did not start out with that much clout, but a lot of years, not being desperate, and a "quality" product, and the knowledge of same, a large ego, an abrasive attitude when necessary, and some negotiating skill has allowed me to get to this point. WITH MY NAME AND $2.00, I CAN "BUY" COFFEE!!!!! I have tried to get coffee without money, did not work! That is what my "name" is worth. enjoy, Time to go and volunteer at the aquarium, and visit Keiko (AKA Free Wily). H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 11:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:50:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:39:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.173917.0> Precedence: bulk Actually, I like to talk to the artist at the booths in the artfairs. Even if I am not buying anything I enjoy looking at their work, and try to tell them that. I cannot afford many of the items I see, probably like most people. I just feel that creativity and imagination are wonderful gifts...so I tell the artist how much I appreciate their work. Someday I might be in the position to purchase a wonderful piece of art that I have admired for sometime, you never know. Maureen (who wouldn't have enough walls, shelves and floorspace for it all) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 12:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:58:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.175846.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-09 12:16:29 EST, you write: << Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is anything they can help you with. >> This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there. But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later that he couldn't wait to get out of there. It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some unknown artist code. I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you inquisitively, chat your little heart out. We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. Back to lurking, Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 13:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:19:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.1411.0> References: <<1998Mar9.21448.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Usually you send photos of your product. Occasionaly they want to see photos of your booth display. And on rare occasions they want to see it in person. The main idea is to grauntee quality, but ususally to avoid duplication. All shows have deadlines. The good ones have deadlines 8 months in advance. They usually jury all applicants at once. Then they let you know if you have been accepted. Some want money with the application. Some want the show fee after you have been accepted. Some charge a fee, just to be juried. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 13:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:02:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.18232.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-09 12:35:53 EST, you write: << Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word but don't know what else to call it. Basically, I engage people in conversation...and LISTEN MORE THAN I TALK. We often don't even talk about my glass.. >> Hi Carol, This sounds fine to me. I would enjoy your booth/shop. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 13:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:09:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Light Show better than ever! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:13:38 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk We've added another 25-30 works in glass to the online Architectural Art Glass Light Show again ... and now there's something ever nicer: you can go to the sorted index instead of just watching the show unfold, you can see only the work with beveled glass in it ... or only church windows ... or (well, you get the idea). Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the upper lefthand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" or "Click here to open the index of entries" ... simple!) Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 13:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:23:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!madglass From: Mary Ann Dulemba To: Shirley Balloch , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tiffany windows on A&E's America 's Castles. Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 15:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980309152436.00694dac@usaor.net> References: <<1998Mar8.84740.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley, The mansion you are referring to is called Linden Hall. It was owned by the Cochran Family and after the deaths of her husband and only son, Sarah Cochran traveled extensively in Europe, returning with the best of the best. Italian marble for the fireplace, leaded windows for the sun room and the beautiful Tiffany windows on the second floor. The three windows you described are L. C. Tiffany windows and were commissioned for $12,000. It is in my opinion, some of Tiffany's finest work. They are a recreation of the scenery of the land if you looked out that particular window. Albert, I was going to forward to you some pictures of this beautfiul glass this week. The next trip to Youghiogheny Glass needs to add this as a stop on the tour - it is within a 1/2 hour drive. If you like, I can obtain information as far as tour times and dates. I have visited the house many times and it is breathtaking! Not a place to miss. Mary Ann Dulemba you wrote: >I was watching A&E's American Castles... The home >overlooks the Youghiogheny River. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 14:16:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:25:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 09 Mar 98 15:13:06 EST Message-ID: <980309.151816.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Mar9.7912.0>> Precedence: bulk There are people at shows who don't want to talk, and those who do. If they don't make eye contact, they probably don't. We just say, "Be sure to ask if you have any questions." There are others who do want to talk...and an occasional older person who is really starved for conversation (at times like that I'm glad there are two of us in the booth.) My husband, in particular, can talk your ear off about our glass. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 14:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:33:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: Melissa Thaxton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:58:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.25817.0> References: <<1998Mar8.111051.0>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Melissa Thaxton wrote: > > Hi again everyone. > I have just gotten back on the list. > I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do > a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay > comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for > my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am > especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is > frustrating. > Thanks, > Melissa Melissa, I've been so incredibly busy this winter working on commission jobs that I really haven't had any time to myself ..... until yesterday. Our hot water heater went out last week, so I put all day Sunday aside so I could put in a new one. I've never done a hot water heater before, but had some advise from a good friend, and I've done lots a home improvement stuff, so ........ Well, as it turned out, it was a snap ..... took about 2 hours, and works like a charm! So, now I have the whole afternoon to myself ....... my daughter had a girl scout thing so was out for the day, and my wife was off to work ....... and it started snowing (hard!) in the Kansas City metro area. So, I put on a pot of coffee, watched a little of the NCAA tournament on TV ...... then picked up the Kansas City Star ..... Arts & Entertainment section ...... and there was this incredible article about a photographer at the turn of the century that had photographed native Americans in their natural habitat. Of course, the photos were all black and white tin types, but the features on the faces, the flow of the garments and accessories in their hair ...... and there was a larger photo (dated 1899) of a Sioux chief by the name of Yellow Shirt that was exceptionally detailed. I remembered that someone on bungi a few months ago was asking about an Indian Chief pattern and the next thing I knew was I was sitting down with pencil and scratch pad and blazing away! Well, it was a very relaxing afternoon ..... I drew Yellow Shirt out for stained glass. I've already got a lot of ideas about glass, mostly Uroboros and Bullseye, but realisticaly don't know when I'll get the time to do it. So, when I get into a creative slump, I just put in a hot water heater ..... Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 14:42:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:54:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 15:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980309155329.006b0bf8@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk >Melissa Thaxton wrote: >> >> Hi again everyone. >> I have just gotten back on the list. >> I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do >> a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay >> comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for >> my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am >> especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is >> frustrating. >> Thanks, >> Melissa The last series of boxes I made, the inspiration came from a panel. I took only a 6x8" rectangle out of the center of the panel and made it into the box top. I used the colors that I had used from a previous project that I already knew "worked" together. When I was finished it seemed like I hadn't put any effort into it at all. Results of this box can be seen at my web page at: http://www.bright.net/~joyce Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 14:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: jroey@Juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:28:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.212819.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-09 09:20:28 EST, you write: << Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is? I don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term and have no clue what it means? Does someone judge what will be in the show? >> Hi Jerry & fellow bungians!! Around here (Indiana) a juried show is one that an application has to be completed for and pictures of your work have to be sent in with the application. The sponsors then go through all applications and decide who gets in and who doesn't. There are certain guidelines that have to be followed, such as, it must be handcrafted and not factory made. I don't know all the factors that each sponsor may look at, but I do know that first they want to fill the space, and then secondly with the biggest variety of crafts/art that they can find. The one great thing I have found is if there is more than one stained glass person, they are not put close to each other. I know they do not want 30 glass booths and only 1 basket booth. Also, there is no guarantee that if you are selected for a show in 1998 that you will necessarily be selected the next year. There is always a booth space fee. Some places can provide tables and others can't. Sometimes electrical outlets are available and sometimes they are not. Typically the vendor is ask if they would like to donate an item for drawings that take place throughout the day. Whatever money you make is yours. I hope this helps, but I hope it also wasn't more than you ever wanted to know :)). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 14:58:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:43:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com (Caren J Price) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pattern for Hands Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:00:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar9.2104.0> Precedence: bulk Would anyone have or know where I could find a pattern with hands. My friend is graduating from Massage Therapy School and I would love to make her a panel that she could use. ( I don't draw very well so I'll do that as a last resort) Thanks in advance. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 15:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:56:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: P D RUSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.125230.0> References: <<1998Mar9.175846.0>> Precedence: bulk P D RUSS wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-09 12:16:29 EST, you write: > > << > Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in > just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is > anything they can help you with. > >> > > This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard > about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front > waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there. > > But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and > asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us > around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story > behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later > that he couldn't wait to get out of there. > > It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When > the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this > or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is > why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because > I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just > hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some > unknown artist code. > > I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not > interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't > hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you > inquisitively, chat your little heart out. > > We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. > > Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. > > Back to lurking, > Dianne > > ---- i know when i go to talk to the artist, i usually mention that i do stained glass. they'll usually talk to me, but they don't have to go into their shpiel. i never liked the people behind the counter "eyeing" me. the best way for them to look is to not look, just out of the corner of their eye is best for me. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 17:46:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:57:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.115715.0> References: <<1998Mar9.152357.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Melissa, I was just thinking... How about a series of boxes designed like seashells? Have you ever seen what a nautilus shell looks like when it's split-cut? It's full of these mother-of-pearl chambers inside. You could do the outside of the box to look like either a flat OR more rounded (sculptural) representation of the extior of a nautilus shell, and make a tray for the inside that would have these little spaces (for trinkets) swirling smaller to a small round center space. A conch shell, a sea scallop, and so on, etc.. I'll come up with some more in another day or two. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- > In a message dated 98-03-08 22:49:58 EST, mthaxton@softcom.net writes: > > have just gotten back on the list. > I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do > a project in glass. It's been cold here and it's hard to stay > comfortable in the garage. My problem is that I have to make a box for > my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo. I am > especially good with boxes, when I am inspired. Ugh! This is > frustrating. > Thanks, > Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 18:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:25:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:23:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.12352.0> Precedence: bulk Geeze I thought it was just my mind that stopped. Actually my dad died last April and I relocated up to my parents' house to stay with my mother, who has health problems. I setup my shop in his garage, on his workbenches with his tools still hangin on the pegboard in front of me. For months I just walked in, looked around and walked out. Then I began "reorganizing" my stuff, and little by little the desire to work in there overcame my own sadness. I can't offer any suggestions, but the tidyin up was helpful (my stuff was already neatly organized from the move).... Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 19:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:55:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Tool Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.16326.0> References: <<199803082116.QAA06482@water.waterw.com>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Check out > > http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html > Hey, pj, I laughed myself sick on this Web Site. Did you check out the sale and new items being offered!! Still laughing, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 20:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:24:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: morn@nac.net, PDRUSS@aol.com, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:21:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.32123.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-09 19:01:37 EST, morn@nac.net writes: << I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not > interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't > hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you > inquisitively, chat your little heart out. > > We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. > >> Hello Dianne, Wow, and there you were with $300 burning a hole in your pocket !! Now I know that if I ever open a shop I am going to post a sign near the entrance that says something like this, LOL ------------> "Please tell me your preference upon visiting my shop....do you want me to sing, dance, turn you up-side down, and shake the money out of your pockets? Or should I just leave you alone to peacefully brouse and enjoy the beauty of all my wonderful things decideing which one "you cant live without" on your own?" LOL...think it would work? I sure had some fun thinking it up, thanks for your story. I'll try to come up with a better imaginary sign...but I feel that way sometimes when I am doing a show. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 20:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: joyce@mail.bright.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:04:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.3447.0> Precedence: bulk <> Joyce, I just visited your web site and have to tell both you and the folks on Bungi that your work is lovely !! How long have you been doing stained glass? I was so taken by the pictures that i forgot to read the text at your web page ! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 21:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:51:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Guardean From: Guardean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:51:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.45143.0> Precedence: bulk please take me off of your mailing list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 9 22:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:49:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Caren J Price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern for Hands Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:46:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar9.174658.0> References: <<1998Mar9.2104.0>> Precedence: bulk If you can use them I have numerous hands in graphics which can easily be modified to be used in the patterns. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Caren J Price wrote: > Would anyone have or know where I could find a pattern with hands. My > friend is graduating from Massage Therapy School and I would love to make > her a panel that she could use. ( I don't draw very well so I'll do that > as a last resort) > > Thanks in advance. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 02:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Mary Ann Dulemba Subject: Re: Tiffany windows on A&E's America 's Castles. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Albert, I was going to forward to you some pictures of this beautfiul glass > this week. The next trip to Youghiogheny Glass needs to add this as a stop > on the tour - it is within a 1/2 hour drive. If you like, I can obtain > information as far as tour times and dates. I have visited the house many > times and it is breathtaking! Not a place to miss. Sure, I'd like to see them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 03:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Schmooze Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word It's a perfectly good Yiddish word that, like the German word "gemutlich," has no perfect substitute in any other language, let alone English. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 03:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: juried shows in U.K.? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:37:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199803100037.AAA02564@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Over the weekend we had a stall at a craft fair, our first one and an experiance we are keen not to repeat. Although we were told the fair was a good one and it was in one of the wealthier parts of London it was much smaller than expected. The other stall holders consisted of:- a cake stall, a fudge stall, two bric-a-brac stalls one of which dignified itself an an antique stall, a second hand book stall and a card stall selling mass produced birthday cards. In Coventry and the surrounding area there are no good craft fairs except one at the National Exhibition Center which costs an assortment of limbs to enter, so the question is; can anybody recommend good craft fairs in the rest of the U.K.? Also, are there any juried craft fairs or shows in the U.K. (other then the Chelsea Craft Fair) As our two favorite galleries have gone into liquidation in the last month we need to find other outlets for our creative urges so would appreciate any info that you can pass on, Many thanks, Mike Simpson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 06:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:02:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:57:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199803101302.NAA08531@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well Dianne and Alison, Hmm.... might work! I have a sign by my front door that says: "Never mind the dog, beware of the Owner!" How about something along those lines...( substituting the dog, of course ;-) ). Or: "My Mummy taught me never to speak unless spoken to..." Just a thought.... Alison wrote: "Please tell me your preference upon visiting my shop....do you want me to sing, dance, turn you up-side down, and shake the money out of your pockets? Or should I just leave you alone to peacefully brouse and enjoy the beauty of all my wonderful things decideing which one "you cant live without" on your own?" Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 06:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:03:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art Fairs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:57:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199803101302.NAA08534@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Dianne et al, What you say, makes sense. It's a fine line between being helpful, informative and pushy and "hounding". Certain skills in psychology are needed in "reading" people, trying to determine who needs what. I have occasionally come across the not-so-infrequent client who feels s/he hasn't got value for money unless your entire soul has been presented to them in a minced form on a silver platter as part of the price they have paid for "their" stained glass. On the other end of the scale you have the customer who only buys because of "one-upmanship", paying the money OK, but scarcely looking at what they have actually commissioned. For the last couple of years I have myself not participated in any exhibitions or show, simply because I have so much backlog to work through. But I have frequently visited exhibitions as a spectator and to look at new ways of displaying. When I come to a stained glass artisan's display and I really like it, I first tell them that I do like their work (and why). In my next breath I also tell them that I too work professionally in stained glass, but that my "style" is different. First of all this relaxes them (don't have to preach to the converted) and secondly they don't feel threatened that I am prowling to steal their ideas/designs etc. I always end up having a wonderful animated conversation with nuggets being offered to me, as well as the odd one that I have to give myself. Mind you, shows and exhibitions here in UK that includes quality stained glass happen once in a blue moon, once or twice a year.....? In my "industrial days" I was often required to attend International Trade Fairs all over Europe, lasting 1-2-3 weeks, with governments, Universities etc looking for mega-bucks contracts & deals. A good exhibition-stand etiquette and manners were absolutely crucial. Looking bored, solving a cross-word puzzle, reading the paper/a book, drinking coffee etc when "on parade" was totally out of the question. Even sitting down was discouraged. A discreet , interested, respectful omni-presence with appropriate body-language was what was required, with authoritative verbal language, with specific arrangements for one-to-one negotiating. Rather than taking a book to read, why not prepare small projects for demonstration purposes. A copperfoil-project displayed "in stages", with you working/demonstrating on the "final" (or penultimate") stage, as well as a couple of pieces of the finished project all cleaned up, displayed and a price-tag on it - for sale. So that the punter can actually proudly assert at home "I ACTUALLY S A W her making this one!" A bit of a kudos! .... and for you.... it will keep the boredom factor at bay..... Not only that, but punters are always attracted to a stand/display/booth where something is HAPPENING! Hope I am not "teaching grandma' to suck eggs" here.... Good Luck! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dianne wrote in response to exhibition/shows etc approach (which - of course - also includes the approach shop-keepers adopt when customers walk in through the door): This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there. But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later that he couldn't wait to get out of there. It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some unknown artist code. I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you inquisitively, chat your little heart out. We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. Back to lurking, ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 06:28:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 05:09:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Inspiration Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980310080404.006a55d4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<3.0.32.19980309155329.006b0bf8@mail.bright.net>> Precedence: bulk Joyce, Your webpage has sure inspired me... I love your choice of colors and the box is beautiful. I like the butterfly one very much as well. Barbara >The last series of boxes I made, the inspiration came from a panel. I took >only a 6x8" rectangle out of the center of the panel and made it into the >box top. I used the colors that I had used from a previous project that I >already knew "worked" together. When I was finished it seemed like I >hadn't put any effort into it at all. > >Results of this box can be seen at my web page at: > >http://www.bright.net/~joyce > >Garden of Glass >Joyce Moran >Ohio > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 06:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: W-C in A-Town, Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980310091608.006956dc@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Good Morning All... I have planned a trip to W-C in Allentown for March 17th... my first trip and I looking forward to it. Just went through all of my saved glass mail to look for the driving directions... but I must have deleted them. I would really appreciate anyone that knows the way from the Turnpike or 476... repeating the directions for me. Thanks for your help. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 07:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:36:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Indian Chief Pattern Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:37:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar10.23754.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Wow, didn't realize there was such an interest in Indian patterns ..... I have posted the pattern at the back of my website. Check it out at: http://www.summitstudio.com/page11.html If you can't print it out, send me a SASE and I'll put a copy in the mail, no charge. Hope it works out for you, and if you do decide to do it, I hope you'll consider supporting your local retailer for your supplies. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 08:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:29:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: hilary@voicenet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New Tool Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:27:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.152756.0> Precedence: bulk I checked out the new site! I am on the waitlist for the specials! Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 08:55:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:46:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: Irene Merm To: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Free fairy pattern Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:45:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar10.154518.0> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I tried to pull up the pattern too and received a message that an error had occured in the format. Sincerely, Irene Mermelstein ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 09:26:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) Subject: Re: Schmooze Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Okay, Mr. Semantics ...it's the connotations of the word I don't > like...you know the cocktail party image. And now I know why I can't find a > suitable replacement. Have a good one. Thank you, Carol. I can think of worse things to be called. As far as a cocktail-party connotation goes, schmoozing is done anytime, anywhere ... not just at cocktail parties. I guess the closest definition would be "comfortable, friendly, warm conversation," which is pretty close to the ideal online kind of chat, since it implies a human (in the best sense of the word) and connected kind of conversation. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 15:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:45:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glue for fusing glass Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:37:25 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Mar10.153725.0> Precedence: bulk I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96).. One of the group = had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated that = she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the = fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or = especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass glue = and perhaps another substitue would work.. I was hoping that it might = be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase = (since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and the = products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know = she does not stock) . =20 Also, the another question for the fusing experts.. In the archives, = she stated that she glued o rings to the fused pieces so they could be = hung.. Could I use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass = (I did order that from Meridth on my last order ) I really do not like = glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow for = me..=20 Thank you all..=20 Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 16:18:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:45:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: glue for fusing glass Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar10.74348.0> Precedence: bulk The glue I use for fusing comes from my stained glass retailer (may be available mail order as well) and costs $6.50 (US) per bottle. At that price, it may be worth an experiment to try Elmer's... On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 7:37 PM, Gloria & George [SMTP:3hounds@usaor.net] wrote: > hung.. Could I use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass = I'm not sure what fusing wire is, but another way to make a hanger is to fuse an open square where you want to hang it from by placing 3 small rectangles to form a square with the edge of the piece, then fuse that all together. I would use the same thickness of the piece you want to hang (eg. if it's 1/4", use 2 layers of 1/8" rectangles). Be sure all the edges overlap so everything fuses together. L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 17:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: 3hounds@usaor.net Subject: Re: glue for fusing glass & Thanks Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:13:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar10.151336.0> References: <<1998Mar10.153725.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria, I just took a fusing class and we used plain ol' Elmer's glue or Aleen's (I think it's usually found at craft stores.) The glue just burned off in the kiln. Also, the fusable wire can be sandwiched between two pieces of glass. I didn't do this myself, but someone in the class did, and it worked great. Another person put the glass on top of the wire, and it melted into the wire and held really well too. BTW thanks to everyone who explained what "juried" meant. I really learned a lot from everyone's comments. Jerri (who's wishing for a kiln now. Darn! I need a cheaper hobby) P.S. I now have a web page. (hubby's hobby) I'm strictly a hobbiest/amatuer, but if anyone wants to look at my glass or my dogs, it's: www.mindspring.com/~roey On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:37:25 -0200 Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> writes: >I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96).. One of the group >= >had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated >that = >she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the = >fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or = >especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass >glue = >and perhaps another substitue would work.. I was hoping that it >might = >be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase >= >(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and >the = >products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know >= >she does not stock) . =20 >Also, the another question for the fusing experts.. In the archives, >= >she stated that she glued o rings to the fused pieces so they could >be = >hung.. Could I use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of >glass = >(I did order that from Meridth on my last order ) I really do not >like = >glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow >for = >me..=20 >Thank you all..=20 >Gloria >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 19:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:06:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glue for fusing glass Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, The glue is a fuser's glue which will burn away without leaving any carbon or other residue. Hotline is the brand name that I use. I doubt whether it is marketed for a different purpose at hardware stores, since it is fairly specialized. Why not call your retailer and get her to order what you need and go there when she gets it in? For wire, just make sure that you use a high-temp stamen wire. Good Luck! Sarah >I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96).. One of the group = >had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated that = >she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the = >fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or = >especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass glue = >and perhaps another substitue would work.. I was hoping that it might = >be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase = >(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and the = >products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know = >she does not stock) . =20 >Also, the another question for the fusing experts.. In the archives, = >she stated that she glued o rings to the fused pieces so they could be = >hung.. Could I use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass = >(I did order that from Meridth on my last order ) I really do not like = >glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow for = >me..=20 >Thank you all..=20 >Gloria >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 10 21:53:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:01:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: 3hounds@usaor.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: glue for fusing glass Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:58:17, -0500 Message-ID: <199803110458.XAA23564@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or = especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass glue = and perhaps another substitue would work.. I was hoping that it might = be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase = (since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and the = products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know = she does not stock) . =20 Also, the another question for the fusing experts.. In the archives, = she stated that she glued o rings to the fused pieces so they could be = hung.. Could I use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass = (I did order that from Meridth on my last order ) I really do not like = glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow for = me..=20 Thank you all..=20 Gloria I use Elmers glue that has been cut with a little water. Make very sure to use the SMALLEST AMOUNT necessary to temporally glue your pieces together. Dipping a toothpick in the glue helps to get a small ampunt. To much glue will not burn off without leaving an unsightly residue. Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. I make circles around something like a pencil and cut them round before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire either on top of or under the glass. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 00:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:18:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glue for fusing glass Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:17:11, -0500 Message-ID: <199803110817.DAA16138@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely: Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. I make circles around something like a pencil and cut them round before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire either on top of or under the glass. Bob To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows fused glass to make a good mechanical grip around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to nick the wire near the ends to accomplish the same purpose. Insert the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of glass with the cut irregular shaped ends between the glass. Heat to 1450'F or so. A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" in with a diamond band saw and a wire circle wedged in the cut and fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and lilac nuggets looks great. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 TO: YWAH36A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 01:07:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:03:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glue for fusing glass Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:02:29, -0500 Message-ID: <199803110802.DAA23876@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely: Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. I make circles around something like a pencil and cut them round before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire either on top of or under the glass. Bob To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows glass to make a good mechanical seal around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to nick the wire near the ends to acomplish the same purpose. Place the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of glass with the cut ends between the glass. Heat to 1450'F or so. A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" in with a diamond bandsaw and a wire circle placed in the cut and fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and lilac nuggets looks great. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 TO: YWAH36A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 06:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:42:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Free fairy pattern Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 08:33:24 EST Message-ID: <980311.083543.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Mar10.154518.0>> Precedence: bulk His patterns are in pdf format and you need to download the Acrobat reader before you can see them. Since many items on the internet are in this format, it's not a bad thing to do. (If you are having trouble downloading the fairy pattern...there's a new turtle pattern, too) Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 10:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:43:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: apologies Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:34:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar11.7343.0> Precedence: bulk I posted some responses to some people who commented to me about my website, and I accidently sent the messages to the group when I meant to send them privately. Let me re-empasize that I'm not the computer person in the family :} I guess that's obvious. I'm sorry for wasting anyone's time or computer space. Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 11:23:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:45:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: globalnet.co.uk!aareg From: "Tony Regan" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Stained Glass group Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar11.183840.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD4D1C.E977AF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello We have been given your e.mail address by Elizabeth at Northlights and = would like details of your group regards tony & barbara Regan ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD4D1C.E977AF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD4D1C.E977AF80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 12:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Group Note Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:42 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Well I will be leaving this aft. to Las Vegas. I will absorb as much info as possible to share with you all. I will also take in the trade show. See Ya! I'm not going to be reading email till Monday morning. Any subscription changes will have to wait till I return. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 14:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:06:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Group Note Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:05:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar11.22539.0> Precedence: bulk is anyone going to the Houston thing? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 16:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:21:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Software Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:19:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar12.01925.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone - I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt at designing has been frustrating and very time consuming. I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is better, easy to use, all emcompassing, etc. Any input/suggestions would very much be appreciated. Thanks! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 18:33:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:42:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar11.134247.0> Precedence: bulk I own both Glass Eye by Dragonfly software and Designer by American Bevel... I really like Glass Eye and use it quite a bit...I really havent taken the time to learn Designer yet so I wont comment on likes/dislikes of it... You can download demo versions of both programs for free off the internet... Both are fully functional except that they wont print or save anything... Glass Eye can be found at www.dfly.com and Designer can be found at www.americanbevel.com Byron... -----Original Message----- From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 10:59 AM Subject: Stained Glass Software >Hi everyone - > >I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt at >designing has been frustrating and very time consuming. > >I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is better, >easy to use, all emcompassing, etc. Any input/suggestions would very much be >appreciated. Thanks! > >Margaret >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 18:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass group Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:21:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199803120226.CAA00903@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Folks! Can we have THREE CHEERS for another couple from UK who have joined our merry little family at Bungi!! ;-> Welcome Tony and Barbara in Cornwall, UK!! From: "Tony Regan" To: Subject: Stained Glass group Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:38:40 -0000 Hello We have been given your e.mail address by Elizabeth at Northlights and = would like details of your group regards tony & barbara Regan Glad to have you onboard. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 20:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:45:23 -0600 Message-ID: <199803120243.UAA18862@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 20:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:47:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Welcome Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:45:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar11.214550.0> Precedence: bulk Cheers, cheers, cheers (3) to the Regans. Welcome to our group! Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 20:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:57:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: Margaret41 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar11.175549.0> References: <<1998Mar12.01925.0>> Precedence: bulk >From Bob Cutler I am learning to use Glasseye. I think it is very user-friendly. The user manual is very well-written. Clear. Check out their webpage: www.dfly.com. I'm sure there will be upgrades that will make it even better. I like being able to scan images, bring them in as background, trace them and delete the original image - and go from there. Lots more features that I am learning to use. This is an unpaid commercial :-> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Margaret41 wrote: > Hi everyone - > > I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt at > designing has been frustrating and very time consuming. > > I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is better, > easy to use, all emcompassing, etc. Any input/suggestions would very much be > appreciated. Thanks! > > Margaret > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 11 22:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:31:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass group Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:29:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar11.162927.0> References: <<199803120226.CAA00903@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Welcome Tony & Barbara, to the bungi list! Please place your seat backs and snack trays in their upright position and check to be sure that your seat belts are fastened... (As Bette Davis once said, "It's going to be a bumpy ride!") Alright, alright, so it wasn't QUITE like that... Give me a little latitude for translation, okay? Seriously though, I'm very pleased that you have decided to join us and hope that your patience and reading efforts are generously rewarded with oodles of wonderfully useful little bits of knowledge punctuated by the occassional odd insertion of character and or amusement. Bon chance! Valerie Tydings Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 01:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:35:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "Tony Regan" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained Glass group Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:35:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.83534.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings, Tony and Barbara from sunny Bournemouth. Nice to have you aboard bungi. There are not many of us based in the UK, so some of the topics discussed are not applicable to us, but I am sure you will find lots to interest you. Have you been into stained glass for long? Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 06:22:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:49:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.34923.0> Precedence: bulk Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = tinned joint without doing anything? I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and = spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = start, yes?=20 But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak = point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. = Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... Thanks for listening.... Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 07:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:08:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.5350.0> References: <<1998Mar12.34923.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = > apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = > then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 > > Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = > tinned joint without doing anything? > > I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and = > spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = > start, yes?=20 > > But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak = > point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. = > Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... > > Thanks for listening.... > > Linda Campbell > ---- it varies. generally i'll put down only spots of flux when tacking. mainly becuase the tape is in the way (which is holding the pieces in place). once the tape is removed, i'll lay out my real flux, over an area i can handle with it evaporating on me. usaully a square foot or so. and i'll put in my 50-50, then, if needed, i'll put a little more flux for a bead. though most of the time i'll wipe everything down with a bit of alchohol and a paper towel, and put some fresh flux on it. not too much or it will spatter. the second fluxing, really does'nt need to be much. just enough for a sizzle and a smooth bead. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 08:20:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:15:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.51439.0> References: <<1998Mar12.34923.0>> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk I have not been at this long either but... I do have a long background of soldering. My stained glass instructor gave me some pointers as follows (still fresh in my mind) Tack solder using flux at the points that will help you maintain the shape of the object on the back side. If your flux is spitting and sputtering... you are using too much flux. Then solder the back side for the rounded bead (strength) . Turn over the object flux one area at a time and do the finish bead on the front. Don Linda Campbell wrote: > Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you > = > apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And > = > then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 > > Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = > tinned joint without doing anything? > > I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and > = > spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = > start, yes?=20 > > But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak = > > point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are > done. = > Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... > > Thanks for listening.... > > Linda Campbell > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 08:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, lcbell@memach.com Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:00:04 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Linda, I use a VERY SMALL amount of flux when tacking joints, then reflux before running the bead, again using the minimum amount of flux I find that while using a lot of flux makes for a nice flow of solder, it also makes for a dull surface and lots of thick, dark yuk that has to be cleaned off. I try to use only enough flux so that the solder burns it off completely. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation >>> Linda Campbell 03/12 7:49 AM >>> Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = tinned joint without doing anything? I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and = spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = start, yes?=20 But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak = point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. = Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... Thanks for listening.... Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 09:00:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:04:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Houston thing Clarified Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:59:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar12.155952.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry I just figured some people would have known and clarified: INTERNATIONAL ART GLASS SUPPLIERS TRADE SHOW SOURCE '98 July 11-12 Exhibits July 8-10 Education Says it is a trade show only and all guests must present business ID's #1-800-878-6767 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 10:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:56:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bus trip to PA Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.8257.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Since not all of us can go to the Houston thing cuz it's a Trade Show, but some of us are going on the Yough and Falling Water tour - How about a show of hands? I and my SO are already reserved ( the trip is filled) Whom else??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 14:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:40:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Directions to Warners Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:37:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar12.21371.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone...someone asked for directions to Warner for a March 17 trip - this is how I get there - Take the PA turnpike to the NorthEast Extension to Exit 33 (Lehigh Valley exit). Take 22E to the Airport Rd North (AKA Rt. 987N - I never have seen an airport rd north sign). You'll pass a CoreStates Bank on right and the airport will be on the left. At the 3rd stop light, Weaversville Rd and Schoenersville Rd (a WaWa or 7-11 on the right corner), make a left...you'll come to a curve/bend in the road and there it is. hope you enjoy your visit. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 18:27:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:33:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 20:34:07 -0500 Message-ID: <199803130131.UAA10734@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Linda wrote: >Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = >apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = >then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 > >Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = >tinned joint without doing anything? Depends how long you've been away. I was taught not to let flux sit on work without cleaning it off if it's going to be more than a couple of hours. Assuming you're doing all of this at one sitting, I do not wash, but solder over the tinned seam. Sometimes I will add more flux if it needs it. ("needing it" - solder will not flow right, globs onto the glass, etc.) Generally the less flux you use the better. Here's the routine that works for me. (This is assuming the piece is not gigantic; in that case I will work one side, clean it off, and go back for the other side later.) I tin the whole front, put on the came, then turn it over and tin the back side. I have better luck tinning the whole side first, then going back and beading it. That also gives me more practice time on that particular piece. After the back is done to my satisfaction, then I turn it over and bead the front. Also I believe, it's a good idea to turn the iron temp down a bit for the beading process. Hope this helps. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 18:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: DMR74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Group Note Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.154115.0> References: <<1998Mar11.22539.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Planning to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 19:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:43:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246 To: suzy@ComCAT.COM, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:41:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.24117.0> Precedence: bulk Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is this beading?) And I took a class!!! Thanx,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 20:11:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:22:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Tony Regan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass group Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:20:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.152046.0> References: <<1998Mar11.183840.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome to the group. You have chosen a great time to get with us great people (and a few stinkers). In an effort to help us get acquainted would you please forward an unoffical biography of yourselves to me and I will post it to the group. pkelly@n-link.com Patrick Roses and Rainbows Tony Regan wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 20:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Update of the Bios Saga Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:35:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar5.153518.0> Precedence: bulk Well ..... I have about 20 bios on my hard drive. The rest of you have given the following excuses: I'm working on it. My dog ate it. My cat needed litter. I wrapped the horse hair in it. The black stove polish got all over it and I couldn't get it off the monitor. I'm having too much fun with my new electric glass cutter. Hmmmmmmmm. They all sound kind of fishy to me. Anyway, I'll start posting what I have on Saturday, 14th of March. Probably 2 at a time, in no particular order. I will number them (Bio #1 Jane Smith). For the ones who haven't submitted one yet, please do. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 20:48:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:09:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803130409.UAA10708@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 12 19:41:13 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 >From: Dudley246 >To: suzy@ComCAT.COM, glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question >Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:41:17 EST >Precedence: bulk > >Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall >apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some >flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the >soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto >the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is >this beading?) And I took a class!!! > Thanx,Damon >- You're doing fine, not to worry. It appears some people tin which is to put a thin coat of solder down first and then go over it for the bead line. It can help at times if you want to fill in any gaps between the glass before you bead up. Happy soldering :) Cindy CJGlassworks--- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 20:51:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:14:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:11:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803130411.UAA10265@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >To: glassw@bungi.com >From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) >Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question > >>X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 12 18:31:13 1998 >>Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >>X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy >>From: suzanne albright >>To: "glass@bungi.com" >>Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question >>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 20:34:07 -0500 >>Precedence: bulk >> >>Linda wrote: >>>Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = >>>apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = >>>then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 >>> >>>Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = >>>tinned joint without doing anything? > >If it's a large picture that I'm working on I like to solder as I go. (If I get quite a bit done in a day.) The reason being is...if I don't get back to it right away it hasn't had the time to oxidize, it may not matter alot. But as I'm always cleaning afterwards my work stays quite clean. I don't usually tack solder because I use horse shoe nails. I will tin and wipe if need be and just a light amount of flux for the bead line. >>Cindy >CJGlassworks >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 21:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:25:48 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.42548.0> Precedence: bulk Howdy, I'm no pro.. But I just solder over the tacking. No need to re-flux. Just my expierence. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 21:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:45:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass help: UK, Japan, Portugal? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.154224.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Dear bungians et al, I just got this and thought that I might pass it on in hope that some of 'our gang' might be able to help? I am clueless as to the material/method of which he speaks. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Outer Banks NC USA ---- Hello, I'm new here. I hv a small company in Portugal to make stained glass. Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG - Resin Stained Glass (UK) or Ueno (Japan) ? Or some other similar resin method? I do and would like to discuss ideas. Regards Luis Sousa alpas@iname.com UIN 3410031 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 22:24:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:53:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass help: UK, Japan, Portugal? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:51:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.55125.0> Precedence: bulk Clueless. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 12 22:51:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:55:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lost address Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:54:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.5541.0> Precedence: bulk A while back, there was a lady who wanted me to send pic. of my stepping stones. I have lost her name and e-mail. Please respond, I finally got my scanner figured out! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 03:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:53:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass help: UK, Japan, Portugal? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:51:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.105125.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-13 00:38:36 EST, you write: << Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG - Resin Stained Glass (UK) or Ueno (Japan) ? Or some other similar resin method? I do and would like to discuss ideas. >> Luis - our "resident experts" that would be familiar with this may be at a conference in Las Vegas, Nevada. If you don't get a response wait a few days and post again, I think the conference ends Sunday. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 07:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:00:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Dudley246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar13.4569.0> References: <<1998Mar13.24117.0>> Precedence: bulk Dudley246 wrote: > > Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall > apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some > flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the > soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto > the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is > this beading?) And I took a class!!! > Thanx,Damon > ---- alright, here are the general keywords: TINNING: this is when you put a thin coating of solder on the foil, or whatever. usaully done on the edges and borders. some people like tinning the edges of a box before assembly. FLAT SOLDERING: this is when you fill the gaps between pieces. i use 50-50 because it's cheaper. if you went straight to beading, you would waste alot of solder (especially if you have wide gaps). the solder has no profile. BEADING: this is when you put your finished look onto the panel. it makes it look nicer, and strenthens it a bit. it what seperates the professional work to the very unprofessional. i use 60-40 it does the job and it's cheaper then the other stuff out there. 50-50 does'nt work as well to get a good bead. and you can lower the reostat for the 60-40 to prevent drip through. i usaully tin after everything is beaded, because i can remove any drips on the side. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 08:42:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:46:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Don McDonald Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tack Soldering Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:41:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Mar12.234157.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Linda: When you are tack soldering, sometimes it is easier to dip the solder in flux rather than flux your project. This works well for tack soldering. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 09:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:48:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassWizrd From: GlassWizrd To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass help: UK, Japan, Portugal? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:48:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.15483.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-13 06:25:27 EST, WhispyBlu@aol.com writes: << < Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG - Resin Stained Glass (UK) or Ueno (Japan) ? Or some other similar resin method? I do and would like to discuss ideas. >> >> Resin = plastic suncatchers?? Sounds like the bake in the oven stuff they sell around here at flea markets 3 for $5.00......... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 09:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:09:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar13.16953.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-13 10:44:35 EST, you write: << BEADING: this is when you put your finished look onto the panel. it makes it look nicer, and strenthens it a bit. it what seperates the professional work to the very unprofessional. >> Hi again, When I first got started in glass I worried a lot because I'm self taught. If I saw stained glass windows in a mall or restaurant I would walk up and look closely at it. Not for design but for the soldering. I discovered that most of the time my first year soldering looked as good or better then their professional soldering. I don't do a lot of glass, mainly gifts, but I do like it to look nice. Dianne Russell Williamsburg, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 10:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Update of the Bios Saga Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803131711.JAA12492@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 12 20:30:59 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly >From: pkelly >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Update of the Bios Saga >Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:35:18 -0600 >Precedence: bulk > >Well ..... I have about 20 bios on my hard drive. The rest of you have >given the following excuses: > >I'm working on it.... Not as of yet:) > >My dog ate it.... Works for me:) > >My cat needed litter...Better not:) > >I wrapped the horse hair in it...I lost my horse:( > >The black stove polish got all over it and I couldn't get it off the >monitor...Sounds good:) > >I'm having too much fun with my new electric glass cutter...Still stuck on directions:) > >Hmmmmmmmm. They all sound kind of fishy to me. Anyway, I'll start >posting what I have on Saturday, 14th of March. Probably 2 at a time, in >no particular order. I will number them (Bio #1 Jane Smith). > >For the ones who haven't submitted one yet, please do. > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >Hi Patrick:) A bio...Hmmm, I wrote one about 6 years ago. And some pesky ants out in a tree, climbed across the telephone pole into my house via the chimney!! Crawling quitely up the stairs they stoled it for roofing material!! So far all I can say is... I REALLY LIKE GLASS:) Cindy >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 10:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:45:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'M. Savad'" , "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar13.74816.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, How do you manage to tin AFTER the bead is done? Doesn't this mess up = your bead? I am assuming this is just to cover the edges of the foil = that may not have gotten a good coat of solder. That's why I flat solder = my joints first. Thanks, Linda Mike Savad says: i usaully tin after everything is beaded, because i can remove any drips on the side. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 14:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Linda Campbell Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.234155.0> References: <<1998Mar12.34923.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Mar12.34923.0@?>, Linda Campbell writes Linda, Your question about soldering and fluxing leads me to ask (as all the replies seemed to assume a liquid flux) do you all use liquid flux. Do any people like me use a paste flux? (yes, I the one who uses tallow on lead came soldering) -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 15:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Update of the Bios Saga Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199803132258.WAA05199@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy (et al?) C'mon! This is negative and I don't quite buy it. Bungi didn't exist 6 years ago, so we could not possibly have the benefit of a Bio you wrote 6 years ago. If you wrote one then, how easy then it would be to re-vamp it, even if tongue in cheek to communicate with the rest of us who you are, what you are about, from whence you have come. It can be all quite fun, not too serious - you are not applying for a job or anything.... All and every one in Bungi matters to all and every one one of the rest of us! That includes YOU! We depend to quite an extent in the "knowing" of each other, to know how to take "off-the-cuff" comments and early mornings tired perusals, and....occasionally... the odd "rattiness". This is not a "Stained Glass Reference Library"; this is a collection of highly individual - often isolated - individuals, continents apart, different cultures and now and then - even different languages - ALL trying to give, to contribute. to learn, to share knowledge and experience and to make Friends in the World of Stained Glass. To make Friends means, that you have to give a little of and about yourself. There are so many individuals who have given so much of Themselves into what is Bungi. Judging from the 250-odd Off-Bungi e-mails I received after my last "Little Performance", I will stick my neck out and say that this is what the Bungi Subscribers WANT. They WANT real humans, they WANT real friends, they WANT real flesh-and-blood. I DO want to know to judge that Mike Savad is a bit pre-occupied and gives somewhat vague answers when he is perusing his last encounter with Aliens, when Howard is "ratty" about someone trying to pick his brains for days for nothing, when Albert is struggling with so many "hats" (.. and gasping for a fag in the Bunker); how Len is hovering between hobby and pro, how Luther (the Cat) is destroying all plans for creativity; , how Herbert is struggling with the English language, how Tomasz is battling with computer technology and double glazing in Poland; how Mary is struggling making ends meet driving trucks, how someone else struggles in British Columbia; someone else trying to get the editorial of a stained glass magazine together in Australia, how an ex-monk in New Orleans feels about stained glass and finds a new approach creating it, how an ex-patriot Irishman has a fresh new look on stained glass and why... How someone in Cornwall in UK can survive artistically and financially designing and creating stained glass in a somewhat barren environment; how a US ex-patriot in Glasgow, Scotland works in stained glass..... Don't you want to know how, why, from where and to where??? I DO! I never ceased to be amazed from where people come, what motivates them, what they are about and the strength of their convictions. For them to share it with me is a "Gift" I cannot treasure enough. A little Bio on Bungi goes a long way for many of us to make that connection. So if you really care about what you do and wish to make some wonderful, real "connections", that may well last a life-time, tell us who you are, where you come from and so on. Send it to our irrascible Patrick Kelly (The Irishman who kissed the Blarney-Stone!). I should know! I have actually MET some of you!!! Against All Odds! WOW! Have I Got Friends For Life!!!! HAVE I learnt about stained glass!!!! If you want a "Stained Glass Reference Library"; please join another Group. Bungi is not for you.... :-( Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (Len! Passionate! ME! You must be joking!! Albright, Suzanne: Looking forward to reading your Bio in the next couple of days.....:-> ) .> >Hi Patrick:) A bio...Hmmm, I wrote one about 6 years ago. And some pesky ants out in a tree, climbed across the telephone pole into my house via the chimney!! Crawling quitely up the stairs they stoled it for roofing material!! So far all I can say is... I REALLY LIKE GLASS:) Cindy >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 16:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:17:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:10:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199803132315.XAA08877@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Our American friends seem to be particularly fond of chemical liquid fluxes.Your assumption - I believe- is quite correct. Like yourself, I sure as hell use good old fashined tallow on lead. Wouldn't dream of using anything else. I am even known to use tallow on copper foil (although it DOES get a bit greasy...) Dani Greer, and Some, and Me have/are/will be experimenting with citrus fruit as "flux", since chemically it should be quite suitable.... :-> Progress Reports to follow...... Another thing.... I have just despatched some good old-fashioned UK Zebrite / Zebo grate polish to a few of our American friends to see how they get on polishing lead-work Hopefully, I should get their evaluations on this too (provided the parcels made it through US Customs...). Polish your lead-work with the Zebrite/Zebo like dearly, beloved old mountain walking boots, or like Army Boots on Parade...... :-> Elbow grease pays off!!!! UK Suppliers List Received?? Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Steve wrote: Linda, Your question about soldering and fluxing leads me to ask (as all the replies seemed to assume a liquid flux) do you all use liquid flux. Do any people like me use a paste flux? (yes, I the one who uses tallow on lead came soldering) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 17:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:27:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: P D RUSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar13.142256.0> References: <<1998Mar13.16953.0>> Precedence: bulk P D RUSS wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-13 10:44:35 EST, you write: > > << > BEADING: this is when you put your finished look onto the panel. it > makes it look nicer, and strenthens it a bit. it what seperates the > professional work to the very unprofessional. >> > > Hi again, > > When I first got started in glass I worried a lot because I'm self taught. > > If I saw stained glass windows in a mall or restaurant I would walk up and > look closely at it. Not for design but for the soldering. I discovered that > most of the time my first year soldering looked as good or better then their > professional soldering. > > I don't do a lot of glass, mainly gifts, but I do like it to look nice. > > Dianne Russell > Williamsburg, VA of course the other thing you have to remember is that they may not be proffesionals. instead they may be the type who think they know what their doing, and do what they do. that may be inferior glass selection, bad beads, and poor designs. but as long as we make better stuff then them, it should be ok... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 17:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:32:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar13.142819.0> References: <<01BD4E7E.4BDD92E0@mmc043.memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Mike, > > How do you manage to tin AFTER the bead is done? Doesn't this mess up your bead? I am assuming this is just to cover the edges of the foil that may not have gotten a good coat of solder. That's why I flat solder my joints first. > > Thanks, > > Linda > > Mike Savad says: > > i usaully tin after everything is beaded, because i can remove any drips > on the side. basically the tinning is done on the edges only. flat soldering is flat soldering. a cross section would look like an I beam. though other times i'll tin the edges at the same time as the flat soldering, then i'll bead. it generally varies between projects. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 18:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Update of the Bios Saga Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:30:28 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > trying to pick his brains for days for nothing, when Albert is > struggling with so many "hats" (.. and gasping for a fag in the > Bunker) Kaf! Kaf! Think I'll go downstairs now and have a nice H. Uppman Churchill and think over the day. I put together quite a nice (I think) brochure for the College of Fine Art and Glass, sent it off by airmail for approval and input, then took a lovely 2-hour nap (well, I *had put in 12 hours by 4 p.m., so I deserved it), re-heated some BBQ pizza, had a glass of Merlot, walked the dog, so all in all it was a pretty successful day. Wife's on the other coast on biz, so it's a bit lonely, just me 'n the dog, but it'll be bedtime in an hour, so that's the end of day for me. That's a slice of the human side of misself, I guess. My history's at http://www.alldesigncom.com/resume.htm if that'll suffice for a bio. I guess I could scan and OCR one I wrote a few years ago, then update that, but my plate's a little full these days, so I hope you don't mind that I just point you at the rez. Love to you all, Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 18:47:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:34:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar13.153148.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve- We use paste flux for lead work and liquid flux for copperfoil work. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 13 18:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:59:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Update of the Bios Saga Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803140156.RAA17413@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Mar 13 15:46:20 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass >From: "Toby" >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Update of the Bios Saga >Summary: Authenticated sender is >Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:53:40 +0000 >Precedence: bulk > My Very Dear New Friends, Elisabeth 'n Toby in the UK!!! Holy Doodle --- Love A Duck--You Got Me.. I surrender--- where do I sign?? I'll do it, honest!! I didn't know!!!!:) Can I read yours first?? >From the bush lady..........BC, Cindy.net I think??? >Hi Cindy (et al?) > >C'mon! >This is negative and I don't quite buy it. >Bungi didn't exist 6 years ago, so we could not possibly have the >benefit of a Bio you wrote 6 years ago. >If you wrote one then, how easy then it would be to re-vamp it, even >if tongue in cheek to communicate with the rest of us who you are, >what you are about, from whence you have come. It can be all quite >fun, not too serious - you are not applying for a job or >anything.... > >All and every one in Bungi matters to all and every one one of the >rest of us! That includes YOU! >We depend to quite an extent in the "knowing" of each other, to know >how to take "off-the-cuff" comments and early mornings tired >perusals, and....occasionally... the odd "rattiness". >This is not a "Stained Glass Reference Library"; this is a >collection of highly individual - often isolated - individuals, >continents apart, different cultures and now and then - even >different languages - ALL trying to give, to contribute. to learn, to >share knowledge and experience and to make Friends in the World of >Stained Glass. To make Friends means, that you have to give a little > of and about yourself. > >There are so many individuals who have given so much of Themselves >into what is Bungi. Judging from the 250-odd Off-Bungi e-mails I >received after my last "Little Performance", I will stick my neck out >and say that this is what the Bungi Subscribers WANT. >They WANT real humans, they WANT real friends, they WANT real >flesh-and-blood. I DO want to know to judge that Mike Savad is a bit >pre-occupied and gives somewhat vague answers when he is perusing his >last encounter with Aliens, when Howard is "ratty" about someone >trying to pick his brains for days for nothing, when Albert is >struggling with so many "hats" (.. and gasping for a fag in the >Bunker); how Len is hovering between hobby and pro, how Luther (the >Cat) is destroying all plans for creativity; , how Herbert is >struggling with the English language, how Tomasz is battling with >computer technology and double glazing in Poland; how Mary is >struggling making ends meet driving trucks, how someone else >struggles in British Columbia; someone else trying to get the >editorial of a stained glass magazine together in Australia, how an >ex-monk in New Orleans feels about stained glass and finds a >new approach creating it, how an ex-patriot Irishman has a fresh >new look on stained glass and why... How someone in Cornwall in UK >can survive artistically and financially designing and creating >stained glass in a somewhat barren environment; how a US ex-patriot >in Glasgow, Scotland works in stained glass..... > > Don't you want to know how, why, from where and to where??? > >I DO! > >I never ceased to be amazed from where people come, what motivates >them, what they are about and the strength of their convictions. >For them to share it with me is a "Gift" I cannot treasure enough. >A little Bio on Bungi goes a long way for many of us to make that >connection. >So if you really care about what you do and wish to make some >wonderful, real "connections", that may well last a life-time, tell >us who you are, where you come from and so on. >Send it to our irrascible Patrick Kelly (The Irishman who kissed the >Blarney-Stone!). >I should know! >I have actually MET some of you!!! >Against All Odds! >WOW! Have I Got Friends For Life!!!! HAVE I learnt about stained >glass!!!! > >If you want a "Stained Glass Reference Library"; please join another >Group. Bungi is not for you.... :-( > >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >(Len! Passionate! ME! You must be joking!! >Albright, Suzanne: Looking forward to reading your Bio in the next >couple of days.....:-> ) > > > >.> >Hi Patrick:) A bio...Hmmm, I wrote one about 6 years >ago. And some pesky ants out in a tree, climbed across the telephone >pole into my house via the chimney!! Crawling quitely up the stairs >they stoled it for roofing material!! So far all I can say is... I >REALLY LIKE GLASS:) Cindy > >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 06:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:55:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hot glass and kiln question, bios Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:50:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.3508.0> Precedence: bulk I recently took a fusing class (loved it!) and was wondering if anyone knows of a fusing list that I could lurk on? If you think I know how to use the computer to search for these things, you'd be wrong :} I'm trying to read and learn everything I can. Also, for those of you that have kilns, do you keep them in your house or living area? I know the shelf paper is toxic, and you have to be careful with it once you've fired, but what about the fumes just from firing the kiln? And Patrick, I haven't seen this excuse: "My life is too dull." Or is it that there's no dull lives, just dull people? Hee. Hee. Jerri (looking at all my daughter's baby things and thinking "Hmmm. Garage sale = kiln money ;) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 07:22:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:28:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.42551.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby": >Polish your lead-work with the Zebrite/Zebo like dearly, beloved old = mountain walking boots, or like Army Boots on Parade...... :-> Elbow grease pays off!!!!< This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 07:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:05:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hot glass and kiln question, bios Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:06:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.3617.0> References: <<1998Mar14.3508.0>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > I recently took a fusing class (loved it!) and was wondering if > anyone knows of a fusing list that I could lurk on? If you think I know > how to use the computer to search for these things, you'd be wrong :} > I'm trying to read and learn everything I can. > Jerri, Try http://www.hotglass.com/ They have a bulletin board over there at the bottom of the page. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 08:19:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:32:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:27:15 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.182715.0> Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk I use paste flux almost all of the time. I do HAVE some 'Blu-Glass' liquid flux... it's around here someplace...now where DID that bottle go?? Here's the No-korode paste, ahhh, oh nope, that's the oleic flux... hhmmmmmm, 'n that's the Classique paste... Well, sorry. I just KNOW I have a bottle around here someplace but exactly WHERE I can't tell you offhand. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >In message <1998Mar12.34923.0@?>, Linda Campbell >writes > >Linda, >Your question about soldering and fluxing leads me to ask (as all the >replies seemed to assume a liquid flux) do you all use liquid flux. Do >any people like me use a paste flux? > (yes, I the one who uses tallow on lead came soldering) >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 08:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:40:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:29:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.12942.0> References: <<1998Mar14.42551.0>> Precedence: bulk > This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot > polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. I thought about using shoe polish too, especially when it was recommended to get the horsehair brush in the shoe polish section. I am going to try it on this panel I'm working on, and will let you all know how it goes, unless someone specifically says not to! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 09:18:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: idt.net!katz9 From: Katharine To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (no subject) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:08:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.4818.0> Precedence: bulk please add to list ....we are looking for interesting patterns ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 10:17:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:39:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Laurean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 11:38:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.53858.0> References: <<1998Mar14.12942.0>> Precedence: bulk Being a former paratrooper I have access and experience with KIWI, black boot polish.(8-). I'll try this afternoon on an old piece and post the result. No sense in anyone taking a chance on ruining a completed project. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Laurean wrote: > > This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot > > polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. > > I thought about using shoe polish too, especially when it was > recommended to get the horsehair brush in the shoe polish section. > I am going to try it on this panel I'm working on, and will let you > all know how it goes, unless someone specifically says not to! > > Laurean > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 11:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:39:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Laurean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 11:38:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.53858.0> References: <<1998Mar14.12942.0>> Precedence: bulk Being a former paratrooper I have access and experience with KIWI, black boot polish.(8-). I'll try this afternoon on an old piece and post the result. No sense in anyone taking a chance on ruining a completed project. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Laurean wrote: > > This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot > > polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. > > I thought about using shoe polish too, especially when it was > recommended to get the horsehair brush in the shoe polish section. > I am going to try it on this panel I'm working on, and will let you > all know how it goes, unless someone specifically says not to! > > Laurean > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 11:58:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:51:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:40:59 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.204059.0> Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk YAY Christie!!! Black boot polish, eh? You've just added a new "test item" to our list of bungi innovations... Right up there with tried and true things like lemon juice flux, and glass-cutting practice on ice (for which we now have some results coming in and BOY are they interesting!) Keep that thinking cap on and let me know if you've tried this yet, or if you'd rather I'll try it out... >>Polish your lead-work with the Zebrite/Zebo like dearly, beloved old = > >mountain walking boots, or like Army Boots on Parade...... :-> >Elbow grease pays off!!!!< > >This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot >polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. > >---- * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 12:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:09:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199803141814.SAA16292@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, Zebrite/Zebo was specifically "developed" for metal, whereas Kiwi - I suppose - is meant for leather. I would recommend trying it out on something that doesn't matter FIRST, before though. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Christie wrote: This got me thinking. Has anyone tried Kiwi black boot polish? It sure polishes up old army boots on parade. ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 12:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bio#1 Patrick Kelly Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:40:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.64047.0> Precedence: bulk Thought that since I am responsible for the bio posting I thought I would start with mine. I'll be the Barbed Wire Blanket. For those of you who have never been in the military this is the person you see in the movies who throws himself across the barbed wire and acts as a human bridge for the rest of the people to run over him (or her, it is the 90's you know). Name: Patrick Kelly Location: Killeen, Texas USA Occupation: Daytime - Management Analyst, US Government Nights - Computer Science Instructor, Central Texas College (on the web, please visit and see some of my students home page designs) Likes: Just about everything and everybody Dislikes: Pretentious people, egotists, and people who say " That's too hard, I can't do that". Marital Status: Married, 2 grown and gone sons (I broke there plates when they left). Companion animals: 4 cats, and a Jenda Conjur (small parrot family), an armadillo that visits regularly, and the odd snake in the backyard (all are welcome) Background: Born in Baltimore, Maryland, USA to a working class family of 8 children (oh those Irish). My father was a shipbuilder. Attended an all boys high school Baltimore Polytechnic Institute (for some strange reason the female teachers didn't last but a few semesters). On the way to register for college I was bitten by the adventure bug. I joined the US Army and enlisted for the Special Forces. The military career took me all over Southeast Asia and met many lifelong friends (some of whom were former enemies). During my travels I became aware of the great works of art and historical significance of the areas (i.e., The Plain of Jars in Laos, The Floating Markets of Bangkok; The Reclining Buddha; The palaces of Japan; Rangoon, Burma, and many others). All of my military career was spent in the Pacific area. Retired from the military and settled in central Texas. Became an accomplished furniture maker and woodcrafter. Not much money in either of these so I returned to school where I earned 2 Master's Degree and started toward a Ph.D. Glass: A lady friend of mine was in the middle of a nasty divorce and asked if I wanted to buy her stained glass supplies. Not knowing a fair price or having any experience in SG I put her off. After a few weeks she called and asked again if I wanted her supplies ... for free, she had to vacate her house and didn't want to move the stuff into storage. I agreed and went to her house expecting to pick up a couple of boxes of supplies. To my amazement there was pick-up truck loads of glass, tools, equipment, books, patterns, and everything else needed. I took a short class and fell into a love-hate relationship with glass. My former garage and cabinet making shop is now my stained glass shop. I call SG my therapy because when I get fed up with people I retire to my garage and get in touch with my creative side. I love every cut (glass and fingers). None of pieces I have made have been sold. My wife always falls in love with the projects or says "You know our Veterinarian's little girl is having her first recital could you make her something?" or "My friend needs a piece for her sister-in-laws birthday" or "Why don't you make a little something for _________". Needless to say this gets a little expensive. Hope I didn't bore you too much. Patrick Roses and Rainbows BTW "Roses and Rainbows" is not my studio name or anything. I just like saying it, instead of "have a nice day" (feel free to use it in anyway you want. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 12:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:44:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Katharine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:42:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.64216.0> References: <<1998Mar14.4818.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome Katarine Patrick Roses and Rainbows Katharine wrote: > please add to list ....we are looking for interesting patterns > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 13:09:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:46:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 13:47:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.74715.0> Precedence: bulk (She is going to kill me for this, Patick) Bungi Bio Name: Elisabeth (with an Ess!) More Names: Elsa, Margaret, Lillebil (My parents couldn=92t make their minds up!) Lillebil?! Yep! an old Viking name! ALL of which good fun when filling in official forms! Final Flourish: ROBERG DOB: Definitely! ( Well, alright then, ....pre-1950....post -1945). Gender: Hang on, let=92s have a look! Hmm; definitely female, though a bit frayed here and there. Did someone mention =93travelling South=94...... Measurements: Mind your own business!!! ;-) Where born: Gothenburg, Sweden Parents: ditto G-parents ditto (....yawn....!) Grandpapa was a diplomat, Papa served in the Swedish Navy. Early childhood: spent climbing trees, sailing, swimming, being locked up for being =93naughty=94, or weeding the garden = :-( . Such was the loving relationship between me and my Mom that she bestowed on me a one- way ticket out of Sweden when I was 15.... Education: Unorthodox, to say the least. Eventually leading to degrees & post-grads at 4 universities in Europe Sweden - European History Germany: Linguistics UK: Finno-Ugrian Linguistics Hungary: Post-grad Hungarian studies & research. Career: Colourful! Peeling potatoes & wiping runny noses in UK in 1961, fled to Germany 15 months later in sheer desperation & out of boredom and promoted to looking after old folks, until I managed to get to grips with continuing my formal education. Spent various years in Germany (West & East), France, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Aden, Yemen, Egypt, Lebanon, Ethiopia and China (some months). In Aden I spent a considerable time avoiding getting shot at , blown up or being mistaken for being British...... On return to Europe worked for a number of multi-national companies as an =93East European Expert=94 and spent more tim= e living out of suitcases (..today is Tuesday...it must be Prague...). Got off the tread-mill 1989/90 with both feet and started working full time with stained glass from home.. No money, but better quality of life..... Married : Yes in 1970 to an Englishman ; we now live under separate roofs about a mile apart, great pals (long story - ..yawn..) Children No, but 5 Godchildren and approx 10 nieces & nephews Philosophy: 1. In all right relationships, look only for the Divine in people, and leave all the rest to God; 2. Summary: Get off your butt and DO it! 3. Why make Life easy, when complicated screws it up so much better! 4. There is only ONE kind of Nobility; that of the Mind. Interests: walking, wild-life, nature, people, gardening, cooking Musical Taste: wide-ranging, but mainly Vivaldi, Bach, Mozart & Shostakovich, Early & 19th Century Swedish music & East European music. Pet Hates: Ed. Sibbett Jr,; Toby - when he is grumpy; fools, violence, intolerance, assumptions, arrogance. Hobbies: See interests... Vices: quite a handful Good side: not many.... S.G. Philosophy: I paint WITH glass, not ON it.. Style : Probably my own Shows : Goddards & Gibbs Student=92s Show, London 1984 North Hertfordshire Exhibition1986, County Exhibition 1988, 5th International Exhibition, Bratislava, Slovakia 1991 Letchworth Museum Heritage Exhibition 1992, RAF Exhibition Duxford, Cambridgeshire 1993, Hitchin Corn Exchange Exhibition 1994, Solo-Exhibition Vienna, Austria 1994, Hertfordshire Visual Arts Forum, St.Albans 1994, Herts Visual Arts Forum, Hemel Hempstead 1995, International Applied Arts Competition, Nyiregyhaza, Hungary 1995; 3rd International Crafts Exhibition, Hungary, 1995 Prizes: Commendation 1988 by Royal Society of Arts, London Heritage Award 1992 Commendation, Bratislava 1991 Commendation, RAF Museum Camridgshire 1993 Commendation from Mayor of St.Albans 1995 First Prize in International Competition, 1995 (Citation by 3 international judges, with a combined experience of 275 years of judging stained glass world-wide: =93Masterly examples of the rejuvenation of traditional stained glass=94.) Best International Exhibit , Hungary 1995. Haven=92t got off my butt since...... Best Moment : Starting a new day. Worst Moment: 1) Collecting =93bits=94 of friends into plastic bags after they stepped on booby-traps in the Middle East; 2) Being mugged in London and almost losing my eye-sight 3) Witnessing physical torture in Eastern Europe. Funniest Moment: Waking up at night, couldn=92t breathe, couldn=92t mov= e, felt paralyzed. Thinking: =93Oh! I=92ve died! That=92s it!=94 Slowly coming to, still not able to breathe, still not able to move, but gradually realizing the whole bed was shaking, trembling. Coming to a little bit more - realizing that there was a thunderstorm outside; lots of whizzes and bangs; lots of noise. I couldn=92t move, I couldn=92t breathe and the whole bed was trembling and shaking, because I was pinned down by the weight of 135 kgs worth of 2 terrified Old English Sheepdogs who had dive-bombed on top of me for comfort and reassurance. A cup of tea was made for 3! THAT=92S ALL!! (At least - that=92s all which is suitable for =93public consumption=94!!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 13:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:46:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hot glass and kiln question, bios Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:37:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.93746.0> References: <<199803141814.SAA16289@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth, Wow. I'm probably looking at a much smaller kiln. The smaller one we used in the class was a hexagon shape (I can't remember the deminsions) and goes for about $350. I believe the controller was another $500, so I won't be able to get that. It'd be more convienent if I could keep the kiln in the house, since I'll have too keep a close eye on it without a controller, but I thought of putting it in the garage. Oh well, I'm still in the pipe dreaming stage at this point. The downside to taking the class was that it gave me so many ideas of things I'd like to try, some to incorporate into my stained glass, some just fusing, and I don't have a kiln! Jerri Pat. Pat. Toby. On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:09:23 +0000 "Toby" writes: >Dear Jerri, > >First of all, I wouldn't recommend housing a kiln "indoors" for the >fumes-reasons you mentioned . Secondly The wiring needs to be done >separately and on a different circuit, the electrical cabling needs >to be real "heavy-weight". Akso if you live in a small villagae (like >I do), you are likely to make huge demands on the electric supply >estimated as input into your community's network, and upset a >neighbour or two (when their tv goes all funny... ;-) ) >I bult a special little "out-house (in bricks) for my kiln, attached >to my patio. >But I am in the same boat as you - looking for a new one/replacement >- since I bought mine second-hand and it has finally given up the >ghost. Over in UK, you are looking at approx. US Dollars 5000 - 7000 >for a new kiln (front-loader). >Some garage sale!! >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK. > >Oh, and as regards the Bios; some famous person said once, that there >is a good book waiting to be pulished in every single one of us. >Which further beggars the question "no dull lives - only dull >people" ?? > >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 13:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:38:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pahrump.com!aaron From: "Aaron Brady" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: glue for fusing glass Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:42:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.44212.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: BOB DUCHESNEAU > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glue for fusing glass > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 12:02 AM > > Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely: > Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. > I > make circles around something like a pencil and cut them round > before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place > the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is > > most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise > the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the > wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire > either on top of or under the glass. Bob > > To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a > cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles > apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer > to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the > ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows glass to make a > good mechanical seal around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to > nick the wire near the ends to acomplish the same purpose. > > Place the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of > glass with the cut ends between the glass. Heat to 1450'F or so. > > A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" > in with a diamond bandsaw and a wire circle placed in the cut and > fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and > make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a > bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and > lilac nuggets looks great. Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg > that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) > 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > > > TO: YWAH36A > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 13:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "pkelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bio#1 Patrick Kelly Date: Sat, 14 Mar 98 15:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: <199803142039.PAA09503@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Mr. Kelly, Roses, Rainbows & Barbed Wire Blanket: Thank you for going first. It was really fun reading your Bio. You have a great sense of humor! I had a thought. Could we get some pictures with these Bios? How much more interesting to actually SEE these people. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 13:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:23:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pahrump.com!lsanford From: "Larry Sanford" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Houston thing Clarified Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:20:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.42030.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 1:31 AM Subject: Houston thing Clarified >Sorry I just figured some people would have known and clarified: INTERNATIONAL >ART GLASS SUPPLIERS TRADE SHOW SOURCE '98 >July 11-12 Exhibits July 8-10 Education >Says it is a trade show only and all guests must present business ID's >#1-800-878-6767 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 14:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:51:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pahrump.com!lsanford From: "Larry Sanford" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:47:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.44743.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Don McDonald To: c; lcbell@memach.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question >Linda, > >I use a VERY SMALL amount of flux when tacking joints, then reflux >before running the bead, again using the minimum amount of flux I >find that while using a lot of flux makes for a nice flow of solder, >it also makes for a dull surface and lots of thick, dark yuk that has >to be cleaned off. I try to use only enough flux so that the solder >burns it off completely. > >Don M. McDonald >Director, Web Services >Chesapeake Communications Corporation > >>>> Linda Campbell 03/12 7:49 AM >>> >Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you >= >apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. >And = >then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 > >Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the >= >tinned joint without doing anything? > >I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and >= >spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = >start, yes?=20 > >But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak >= >point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are >done. = >Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... > >Thanks for listening.... > >Linda Campbell >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 14:26:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:00:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pahrump.com!aaron From: "Aaron Brady" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: glue for fusing glass Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:03:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.5359.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: BOB DUCHESNEAU > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glue for fusing glass > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 12:17 AM > > Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely: > Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. > I make circles around something like a pencil and cut them round > before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place > the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is > > most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise > the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the > wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire > either on top of or under the glass. Bob > > To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a > cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles > apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer > > to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the > ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows fused glass to > make > a good mechanical grip around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to > > nick the wire near the ends to accomplish the same purpose. > > Insert the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of > glass with the cut irregular shaped ends between the glass. > Heat to 1450'F or so. > > A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" > in with a diamond band saw and a wire circle wedged in the cut and > fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and > > make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a > bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and > > lilac nuggets looks great. Bob > > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg > that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) > 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > > > TO: YWAH36A > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 15:12:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pahrump.com!lsanford From: "Larry Sanford" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:01:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.6156.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 10:38 PM Subject: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question >Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you = >apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And = >then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20 > >Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the = >tinned joint without doing anything? > >I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and = >spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean = >start, yes?=20 > >But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak = >point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. = >Maybe I'll get to that point one day..... > >Thanks for listening.... > >Linda Campbell >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 15:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KIWI results Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:13:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.101348.0> Precedence: bulk As promised (or threatened), I went to the garage and tried the KIWI black boot polish. It had no coloring effect on the lead or solder. I also tried leather dye and scuff magic with no effect. However, the Kiwi black boot polish did a great job of polishing the glass. I had a dull old project with a clear glass fern design in it with dark green wispy glass around the border. The green became very deep and clean looking the clear became clean and shiny, and it shined the solder.. Maybe I'll try the Kiwi neutral for a glass polish, its readily available, easy to apply and removes quite well (additionally the smell brings back memories) I love to experiment. Any other suggestions? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 16:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:48:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi , Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio#1 Patrick Kelly Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:38:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.93816.0> References: <<199803142039.PAA09503@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > > I had a thought. Could we get some pictures with these Bios? How much > more interesting to actually SEE these people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Suzanne! That's REALLY pushing it! :>) Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 17:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:55:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: KIWI results Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.75622.0> References: <<1998Mar7.101348.0>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk Did you use a shoe brush on this test, a cloth or.....? pkelly wrote: > > As promised (or threatened), I went to the garage and tried the KIWI > black boot polish. It had no coloring effect on the lead or solder. I > also tried leather dye and scuff magic with no effect. However, the Kiwi > black boot polish did a great job of polishing the glass. I had a dull > old project with a clear glass fern design in it with dark green wispy > glass around the border. The green became very deep and clean looking > the clear became clean and shiny, and it shined the solder.. Maybe I'll > try the Kiwi neutral for a glass polish, its readily available, easy to > apply and removes quite well (additionally the smell brings back > memories) > > I love to experiment. Any other suggestions? > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 17:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:03:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: KIWI results Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:02:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar7.12244.0> References: <<350B1926.587B@bc.sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk I used both. The brush first and then the cloth. A habit that is hard to break. Perhaps next will be a spit shine(nah .... I don't think so, the memories are not that good). Patrick Roses and Rainbows Doug & Shiela Dunn wrote: > Did you use a shoe brush on this test, a cloth or.....? > > pkelly wrote: > > > > As promised (or threatened), I went to the garage and tried the KIWI > > black boot polish. It had no coloring effect on the lead or solder. I > > also tried leather dye and scuff magic with no effect. However, the Kiwi > > black boot polish did a great job of polishing the glass. I had a dull > > old project with a clear glass fern design in it with dark green wispy > > glass around the border. The green became very deep and clean looking > > the clear became clean and shiny, and it shined the solder.. Maybe I'll > > try the Kiwi neutral for a glass polish, its readily available, easy to > > apply and removes quite well (additionally the smell brings back > > memories) > > > > I love to experiment. Any other suggestions? > > > > Patrick > > Roses and Rainbows > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 18:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:28:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199803150127.BAA31367@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Patrick, You're dead right!!! You are stone DEAD!!! ;-) Anyhow, you posted it during a week-end, when nobody is reading/posting Bungi mail anyhow, .... so at leats that's something!! What happened to trhe "alphabetical order" " ??? or is that just another facet of "Irish Logic" ???? Hhhhrrrruuummmmppphhh!!!!!!!! NOT Elisabeth in UK (... and Toby Just will NOT Play your Game!!) Patrick wrote: She is going to kill me for this, Patick) Bungi Bio Name: Elisabeth (with an Ess!) .... and so on..... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 20:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:28:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar15.32840.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I for one..do not like shiney black solder seams. I just like the flat black. I guess I'm just a simple 'ol basics gal. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 20:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:35:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio#1 Patrick Kelly Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:34:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar15.33413.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Patrick, My birthday was Feb 5. I sure would like to have one of those wisteria lamps!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 14 20:54:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:41:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:39:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar15.33921.0> Precedence: bulk Well. I hope the world ends before you read my bio. I feel like such a lowly creature. Elisabeth, I am truly an admirer now. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 06:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:26:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.231735.0> References: <<1998Mar15.33921.0>> Precedence: bulk > Well. I hope the world ends before you read my bio. I feel like such a lowly > creature. > Elisabeth, I am truly an admirer now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know what you mean............. Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 06:42:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:31:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi , Carla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.23219.0> References: <<199803150127.BAA31367@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > Anyhow, you posted it during a week-end, when nobody is > reading/posting Bungi mail anyhow, .... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elisabeth with an ESS, You didn't get off that easy, I happen to read my mail on the weekend! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 09:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:27:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:26:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803151626.IAA02118@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sun Mar 15 06:25:59 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover >From: Laurean >To: bungi >Subject: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth >Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:17:35 -0800 >References: <<1998Mar15.33921.0>> >Precedence: bulk > >> Well. I hope the world ends before you read my bio. I feel like such a lowly >> creature. >> Elisabeth, I am truly an admirer now. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I know what you mean............. > >Laurean > _________________________________________________________________ Can I triple that feeling??? (no,no, Patrick please don't send it out, yet:), fear has me in it's grips) Hey Elizabeth... you're great and I too am an admirer!!!!!!!! Sincerely, Cindy PS Patrick, I'm impressed with yours also:) can you write one for me?? >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 11:26:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:15:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:14:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803151814.KAA30766@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sat Mar 14 20:41:07 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW >From: CWWSLW >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? >Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:28:40 EST >Precedence: bulk >Hi Susan, Ya it's KIWI ELITE for me!!! I like the selfshining, I peculiarly like the ant eater? on the bottle. Have you tried the brown? Truely a finish for the "90's (works good on casting stone also...my little secret,... my friend, a rock carver still is wondering?) Cindy:) >Well, I for one..do not like shiney black solder seams. > I just like the flat black. I guess I'm just a simple 'ol basics gal. >Susan >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 11:56:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:54:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: "Carol J. Rochnowski" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: One More Time Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar15.25636.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BD5001.063703A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm being brave and writing my bio - a daily lurker here, but Patrick, = Dear Heart, please put your email address back on. I tend to delete = rather quickly and work from three different computers - can't find your = personal address. Thanks. Namaste' Carol ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BD5001.063703A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm being brave and writing my bio - = a daily=20 lurker here, but Patrick, Dear Heart, please put your email address back = on.  I tend to delete rather quickly and work from three different=20 computers - can't find your personal address.  Thanks. Namaste'=20 Carol
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BD5001.063703A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 13:50:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:07:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar15.11543.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: Laurean, INTERNET:vlclover@rconnect.com DATE: 3/15/98 12:39 PM RE: Copy of: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Hey, you guys quit being so ho-hum about your bios! If other people's = sound more interesting than yours it's probably because we're.... well.. older. Had more time to do things! If you really think about it, you've = probably done some cool things, too. And we want to hear about them - = send Patrick your bio. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 17:34:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio#1 and 2 Patrick/Elisabeth Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:47:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.0473.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-15 09:23:29 EST, you write: << Well. I hope the world ends before you read my bio. I feel like such a lowly > creature. > Elisabeth, I am truly an admirer now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know what you mean............. Laurean ---- >> Me too. After reading the very interesting bios, I'm really quite boring. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 18:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: More than a bio!!!! Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:09:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803160109.UAA04768@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Patrick and group, No its not my bio attached. But I am fine tuning it for your files. But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. Maybe I could auction it off as a fundraiser for the IGGA. Do I hear a opening bid? my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 19:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:24:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:23:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar15.142313.0> References: <<199803160109.UAA04768@water.waterw.com>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that > was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. > > Maybe I could auction it off as a fundraiser for the IGGA. > > Do I hear a opening bid? OK.....I bid one barrel of various high quality glass scraps, a dirty tube sock and a slightly worn armadillo. Next bid? Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 19:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Sun, 15 Mar 98 21:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: <199803160251.VAA22826@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk pj writes: >But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that >was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. > >Maybe I could auction it off as a fundraiser for the IGGA. > >Do I hear a opening bid? Suzanne: Yup, I'll start off. $10! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 20:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:20:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:17:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.31716.0> Precedence: bulk I'll bid my superelectronicmagicnofrillsglass cutter that I am on back order for from the kneedeep people..... Alberts worth every spec of it...... Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 20:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:48:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Shirley Suter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:46:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.154643.0> References: <<1998Mar15.142313.0>> Precedence: bulk I bid a partridge in a pear tree ... or is that a cartridge in a bare tree. I can never quite remember. Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS The photo is probably one of those type that they used the camera on the tripod, the hood, and flash powder on. (8-). Now Albert is going to kill me. First Elisabeth now Albert, I'd better lay low for awhile. (8-) Shirley Suter wrote: > pj friend wrote: > > > But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that > > was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. > > > > Maybe I could auction it off as a fundraiser for the IGGA. > > > > Do I hear a opening bid? > > OK.....I bid one barrel of various high quality glass > scraps, a dirty tube sock and a slightly worn armadillo. > > Next bid? > > Shirley > Grapeland, Tx. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 15 20:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:50:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Penguin Lovers Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:49:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar8.154918.0> Precedence: bulk To all of you lovers of the little fat birds in the tuxedos there is a pattern in the new SCORE magazine. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 03:15:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:33:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:26:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199803160931.JAA21903@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I'll offer Patrick's neck! Howzat!? Not sure if it's worth more than 10 dollars though... :-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK PJ wrote: Hi Patrick and group, No its not my bio attached. But I am fine tuning it for your files. But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. Maybe I could auction it off as a fundraiser for the IGGA. Do I hear a opening bid? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 07:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:37:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries27.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199803160116.UAA00575@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<199803132315.XAA08877@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth writes: \ Dani Greer, and Some, and Me have/are/will be experimenting with=20 \ citrus fruit as "flux", since chemically it should be quite=20 \ suitable.... :-> \ Progress Reports to follow...... My instructor asked us if somebody had a horse. He claims that in the past, horse urine was a good flux. Somebody brought some in. It works, but smell worse than liquid flush. --=20 Daniel M. Germ=E1n "My friends would think I was a nut,=20 Peter Gabriel --> turning water into wine" dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 08:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:40:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:07:17 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > But I do have a every so fetching photo of the Albert Lewis that > was shot back in the days when he was a magazine editor. Not fair! My son tells me that these days I look like a mountain man ... full beard and all. I know the picture you're talking about; it looks like a high school graduation shot. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 09:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:45:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!NCScoutr From: NCScoutr To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:44:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.154442.0> Precedence: bulk Hmmm we've gone from oleic acid to citric acid to uric acid, all of which work rather well... Does anyone else see a recurring theme here in the fluxes we have determined as 'usable'?? (By the way the citric acid flux doesn't seem to smell badly to me; however I have had that chronic sinus infection for the last 3 months or so and am not exactly the best choice to judge! ;-> ) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >Elisabeth writes: >> Dani Greer, and Some, and Me have/are/will be experimenting with=20 >> citrus fruit as "flux", since chemically it should be quite=20 >> suitable.... :-> >> Progress Reports to follow...... > >My instructor asked us if somebody had a horse. He claims that in the >past, horse urine was a good flux. Somebody brought some in. It >works, but smell worse than liquid flush. > >-- >Daniel M. Germ "My friends would think I was a nut, > Peter Gabriel --> turning water into wine" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 09:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!NCScoutr From: NCScoutr To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IGGA fund-raiser-->Bidding for Albert Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:46:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.154644.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, since it's for IGGA, I'll see that cartridge in a bare tree, one barrel of various high quality glass scraps..PLUS TWO dirty tube socks, 1 pair of actual stockings (like used with garters,) my firstborn poem, a never-used bottle of liquid flux, AND the neighbor's beastly beagle! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Going...going... >... or is that a cartridge in a bare >tree. I can never quite remember. >> OK.....I bid one barrel of various high quality glass >> scraps, a dirty tube sock and a slightly worn armadillo. >> Next bid? >> Shirley >> Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 09:37:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:57:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980316105451.006b09b4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<199803132315.XAA08877@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Good Grief.... I sure hope I don't ever need flux that badly. At 08:16 PM 3/15/98 -0500, Daniel M. German wrote: > >Elisabeth writes: > >\ Dani Greer, and Some, and Me have/are/will be experimenting with=20 >\ citrus fruit as "flux", since chemically it should be quite=20 >\ suitable.... :-> >\ Progress Reports to follow...... > >My instructor asked us if somebody had a horse. He claims that in the >past, horse urine was a good flux. Somebody brought some in. It >works, but smell worse than liquid flush. > > > >--=20 >Daniel M. Germ=E1n "My friends would think I was a nut,=20 > Peter Gabriel --> turning water into wine" >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 09:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:32:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:31:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199803161631.IAA18954@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >Elisabeth writes: > >\ Dani Greer, and Some, and Me have/are/will be experimenting with=20 >\ citrus fruit as "flux", since chemically it should be quite=20 >\ suitable.... :-> >\ Progress Reports to follow...... > >My instructor asked us if somebody had a horse. He claims that in the >past, horse urine was a good flux. Somebody brought some in. It >works, but smell worse than liquid flush. Hmm...maybe the person who was recommending removing horse hair from the horse before using it for polishing can test it for us. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 10:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:39:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: pkelly@n-link.com, ssuter@intrastar.net, Mosfunland@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:36:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.163651.0> Precedence: bulk LOL......I have enjoyed all your bids I am prepaired to bid : one pink plastic flamingo.. 3 long necked lawn geese...and a big sheet of bubble-wrap rescued from a dumpster (for alberts photo) Or, I will trade all of the above for an electronic glasscutter so I can cut out huge quantities of the same pattern piece for all of my one-of-a kind items. <> ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 10:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: idt.net!katz9 From: Katharine To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:51:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.4513.0> Precedence: bulk We are having a hard time finding good dragon patterns any suggestions/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 10:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:55:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:53:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.165332.0> Precedence: bulk <> Did Albert say mountain man??..... LOL, I up my bid by one plastic garden Swan.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 10:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:08:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.11829.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Can anyone direct me to a pattern of a zebra where he stands sideways but turns his head to look straight on...could be a full body or just shoulders and head (my first choice). I'll need to make an hour's trip to my "local" stain glass shop to look through pattern books and if I had an idea of what book to look for that would save me some time. I could also call them first to see if they have the book. I'm not good yet at creating the design myself but would like to take one and redesign somewhat. (I need the proportions). I have this thing for zebras and have an idea in my little head I'd like to try. Appreciate any help. Also, I've been away for the weekend and now, on Monday morning, I'm reading all of the bungi posts and have been thoroughly entertained (I'm easily entertained I've been told) but what a GREAT way to start the week! Oh yes, I too am "working on my bio". Well, back to lurking.... Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 11:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:27:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:26:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803161726.MAA11740@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk hehehe...Albert <>> Well I do have Adobe Photoshop...and well.............a full beard would be a breeze to add to this..........and well...............I could also add the cigar if you like? Naw.......I think I will keep it the way it is. But Albert, did you see we only got a bid of $10.00 cash and some bits and pieces, hmmm.................I thought this would be well worth something in the six figures. Maybe I need to spice the pot? Hey folks..........this photo is an original not touched.................and a close up you can actually see the grin on Albert's face. The buttons on his shirt? Close enough? Do I hear 20.00???? my best, pj (who knows why she never has her photo taken) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 11:29:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:41:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: favorite flux Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:40:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.174014.0> Precedence: bulk hi everyone...have been experiencing some dirty solder seams and also in need of flux. i know from reading the bungi line that dirty seams can be attributed to several things including solder...since i'm in need of more flux shortly would like to try perhaps a different one...any good ones out there...i have previously not been picky (obviously!) but want to try out others. thanks. also thanks everyone for their input on sg software...seems glass eye was the 'hands down' favorite...i downloaded the demo - seemed easy to use, etc. Thanks!! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 11:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:42:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IGGA fund-raiser-->Bidding for Albert Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.33216.0> References: <<1998Mar16.154644.0>> Precedence: bulk Boy the bidding is getting steep here! I'll up it with an ugly, yellow renault! The stockings don't count without the garters! Laurean > > Okay, since it's for IGGA, I'll see that cartridge in a bare tree, one > barrel of various high quality glass scraps..PLUS TWO dirty tube socks, > 1 pair of actual stockings (like used with garters,) my firstborn poem, > a never-used bottle of liquid flux, AND the neighbor's beastly beagle! > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 12:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:38:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: kiln question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:37:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.23729.0> Precedence: bulk On Saturday, March 14, 1998 1:50 PM, jerri m Roey [SMTP:jroey@juno.com] wrote: > > Also, for those of you that have kilns, do you keep them in your > house or living area? I know the shelf paper is toxic, and you have to > be careful with it once you've fired, but what about the fumes just from > firing the kiln? > We keep our kiln in a separate shop building. My husband has become physically ill (respiratory) on 3 separate occasions from being in the vicinity of the kiln while it was venting fumes from glue, fiber, or other organic burn off in the initial ramp to 1000F. We have since installed a ventilator fan in the shop and work with doors/windows open in that stage of the firing (or leave the building and just come back to check on the kiln every 15 minutes or so). I would highly recommend you *not* put the kiln in your living area... L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 12:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:48:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246 To: katz9@IDT.NET, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:47:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar16.18474.0> Precedence: bulk There's a Dragon pattern in the Spectrum pattern archives! click here Spectrum Pattern Archives ,then go to set 6 of patterns,hope this helps,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 13:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:47:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: silvering Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 12:45:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Mar8.13541.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > C Odlum wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when > > a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in > > Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be > > produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing > > with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a > > poor reflection). > > > > Regards, > > Catherine Odlum > > from what i've seen on tv you need to have a very clean piece of clear > glass. de-ionized water, which i believe is charged with electrons. then well, by definition, de-ionized means not charged. > the silver is deposited on the glass by an electroplate process. but the > guy was talking fast, so that may not be the most accurate in the world. you can't electroplate on something that doesn't conduct electricity, which glass doesn't. De-ionized (DI) water is produced by running water through a cation and anion chemical bed. each type of chemical takes out positive or negative ions, respectively. since this is expensive, one usually runs the water through a reverse osmosis (RO) unit first, which removes 92-95% of the ions. the DI unit can produce what is called 19megohm water (refers to the resistance of the water), which is lab grade purity. you are probably referring to chemical deposition rather than electrical. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 13:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:53:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More than a bio!!!! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 14:43:54 EST Message-ID: <980316.144556.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Mar16.163651.0>> Precedence: bulk Alison...hold on...don't you know that bubble wrap is worth its weight in gold? If you don't wrap your glass in it, you can relieve your stress by popping it. You can NEVER have enough bubble wrap. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 14:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Lyn Butler" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:36:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199803162030.PAA10929@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Lyn, > Can anyone direct me to a pattern of a zebra where he stands sideways > but turns his head to look straight on...could be a full body or just... You want to check out "How to design Stained Glass" by Jennie French. On page 70 there is a pattern of a zebra lying down (or sitting) with its head turned toward you. It is really pretty. The book is by Dover Publications - 8.95$. I hope you'll find the pattern (and the book) useful. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 16:03:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:23:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: favorite flux Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 17:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: <199803162220.RAA22883@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Margaret, My favorite flux is Flux-O-Matic, in a tall green & black container. I like its consistency. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 16:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:29:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Lyn Butler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.12246.0> References: <<1998Mar16.11829.0>> Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi all, > > Can anyone direct me to a pattern of a zebra where he stands sideways > but turns his head to look straight on...could be a full body or just > shoulders and head (my first choice). I'll need to make an hour's trip > to my "local" stain glass shop to look through pattern books and if I > had an idea of what book to look for that would save me some time. I > could also call them first to see if they have the book. I'm not good > yet at creating the design myself but would like to take one and > redesign somewhat. (I need the proportions). I have this thing for > zebras and have an idea in my little head I'd like to try. Appreciate > any help. > > Also, I've been away for the weekend and now, on Monday morning, I'm > reading all of the bungi posts and have been thoroughly entertained (I'm > easily entertained I've been told) but what a GREAT way to start the > week! Oh yes, I too am "working on my bio". > > Well, back to lurking.... > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah i think that volkner book has a mosiac of one. it should be easy enough to adapt for regular stained glass. ... if it is'nt called volkner, it's that german name that i can't pronounce/remember. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 16:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:31:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Charles Spitzer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: silvering Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:28:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.122831.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > C Odlum wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when > > > a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in > > > Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be > > > produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing > > > with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a > > > poor reflection). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Catherine Odlum > > > > from what i've seen on tv you need to have a very clean piece of clear > > glass. de-ionized water, which i believe is charged with electrons. then > > well, by definition, de-ionized means not charged. > > > the silver is deposited on the glass by an electroplate process. but the > > guy was talking fast, so that may not be the most accurate in the world. > > you can't electroplate on something that doesn't conduct electricity, which > glass doesn't. > > > De-ionized (DI) water is produced by running water through a cation and anion > chemical bed. each type of chemical takes out positive or negative ions, > respectively. since this is expensive, one usually runs the water through a > reverse osmosis (RO) unit first, which removes 92-95% of the ions. the DI unit > can produce what is called 19megohm water (refers to the resistance of the > water), which is lab grade purity. > > you are probably referring to chemical deposition rather than electrical. > > > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ultimily i saw it on a show. they used the water to carry the electricity. and i think he said he used to de-ionized water becuase it did'nt stream down the glass. instead it "sheeted" down the glass for an even coat. he started to talk tech, and i kind of tuned him out. the glass was clear then it was silver. but then again they kept cutting back and forth to him talking, and silvering. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 16:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:36:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Lyn Butler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:34:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.123413.0> References: <<1998Mar16.11829.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Lyn: "Vanishing Wildlife" (Renee Martig) has a head and shoulders pattern of a zebra. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 17:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:51:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 1/8 " U Zinc Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:53:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.11531.0> Precedence: bulk I have a 4 1/2 foot long insulated oval window in my front door. It has about 3" of various sizes of molding around it. Molding matches the cove molding on the ceilings. I have adapted a pattern from the cozy corner pattern book to fit on the bottom curve of the oval. It runs up the left side about 10" and about 15" up the right. The design that goes in the window from side to side has no border came on it. It is foiled and tinned. Now my question........ I have tried to gently curve 1/8" zinc u came around the part that will fit and attach to the molding but the curve at the center (at the bottom) is rather tight and it won't curve around without bending outwards. Can you do this on a came bender? In the past I have only used a bender with "H" zinc. Also...has anyone ever tried painting zinc border white with model airplane paint? (I don't want to use the plastic molding that I have seen in the Home Depot type lumber stores.) Thanks in advance for any advice Sue Reitmann (who is working on her bio) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 17:48:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:13:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: HELP! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:11:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.01118.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, I'm almost finished with my giraffe panel. Remember, it's a 2' x 3' to be recessed into a ceiling. Well, here are my questions. 1. I have zinc, just the u shaped about 1/4 inch stuff to go around the edge. This window will have about 3 reinforcements going across. Should I use the wider zinc? The edges will be in a rabbit. I just didn't know if the wider would add anymore strength, since there is rebar involved. 2. O.K. ,This piece is also copperfoil. When I get ready to put the zinc edging around it, do I first tin the copper edge or not. If not, how will the zinc stick to the edges of the glass where there isn't a seam to solder to? But. if I do need to tin the edge, How will I heat up the zinc so that the solder underneath sticks to it? 3. Am I just thinking about this stuff too much?!?!? I just love my bungi buddies!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 18:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:14:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: IGGA fund-raiser-->Bidding for Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:08:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199803170014.AAA01385@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'll top that one and throw in the neighbour herself (it's a worthy cause, after all! ... and the neighbour in question isn't much use to anyone else). AND... I will reproduce it on my WEB-page for ALL to see! (Against a fee to IGGA - of course ;-) ) (How is the beagle these days, Valerie?? Tried my trick yet?) ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK V.T. wrote: Okay, since it's for IGGA, I'll see that cartridge in a bare tree, one barrel of various high quality glass scraps..PLUS TWO dirty tube socks, 1 pair of actual stockings (like used with garters,) my firstborn poem, a never-used bottle of liquid flux, AND the neighbor's beastly beagle. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 18:27:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:15:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dragon Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:08:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199803170014.AAA01379@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Katherine, Ask V.T. Phelps; she's got one next door :-D (How about modifying one of those Monster metals? or how about using St.George & the Dragon? Children's fairy tales? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Katherine asks: We are having a hard time finding good dragon patterns any suggestions/ ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 18:33:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:21:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!catdluzak From: "Catherine Dluzak" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Tiffany Stained Glass Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:21:08 PST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.0218.0> Precedence: bulk Hello... I am planning on writing my master's thesis on the stained glass windows of Louis Comfort Tiffany in Indiana. I would appreciate any information that you would be able to pass on, for example books to examine, and so forth. Any suggestions will be entertained. Thanks, C. Dluzak catdluzak@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 18:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:37:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:35:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.03529.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-16 10:11:07 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << My instructor asked us if somebody had a horse. He claims that in the past, horse urine was a good flux. Somebody brought some in. It works, but smell worse than liquid flush. >> Yea, I have a horse....but I'm not going in her back side to get that when it comes out....whew....it's like the dam breaks.......sorry, don't feel like being the guinea pig to test that one.....LOL :>) Diane Manchester ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 18:50:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:45:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio# Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:38:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199803170043.AAA06864@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Laurean, Maybe Suzanne is "pushing it" ;-) just a teeny touch. But if you visit my WEB-site and click on Clifton in the Classes section, you will find a whole lot of pics from the visit in Chartres, France. There is a minute little spec there in the group pic underneath the stained glass canope, with a blond "mop" wearing glasses. That little spec is me. There you go! Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK you wrote: > > I had a thought. Could we get some pictures with these Bios? How much > more interesting to actually SEE these people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Suzanne! That's REALLY pushing it! :>) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 21:21:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hot glass and kiln question, bios Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.143636.0> References: <<1998mar14.93746.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes. The smaller paragon (top loading, octagon or hexagon, but I'm not sure of size) rents for $12 per firing. I'd have to have several things planned out I guess. I'd hate to waste the space by just firing one or two things. (I did get some baby things sold today though. $$ ;) Jerri >can you can rent time/space in someone else's kiln? one of the s.g. >shops i >go to does this. > >regards >--- >Charles Spitzer >charlie@az.stratus.com >Phoenix, AZ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 21:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:08:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: Margaret41@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: favorite flux Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:07:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.2713.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-16 14:29:43 EST, Margaret41@aol.com writes: << would like to try perhaps a different one...any good ones out there. >> I like Glastar liquid/gel or Ruby Flux (red gel/paste). I have tried others but always but always end up back at these. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 21:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:42:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kiln question Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.144039.0> References: <<1998Mar16.23729.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks so much. I'm definitely convinced that I don't want it in the house. I have a four year old, and besides my own health, I sure don't want to take any chances with her's. I do my glass work in the room over the garage, so I've thought of either up there or in the garage. In the garage I can keep the door open (and living in the south, that means most of the year). The room over the garage has plenty of windows, and other than for storage and me doing glass, we don't go up there much. Does anyone think one would be better than the other? Jerri >We keep our kiln in a separate shop building. My husband has become >physically ill (respiratory) on 3 separate occasions from being in the >vicinity of the kiln while it was venting fumes from glue, fiber, or >other organic burn off in the initial ramp to 1000F. We have since >installed a ventilator fan in the shop and work with doors/windows >open >in that stage of the firing (or leave the building and just come back >to >check on the kiln every 15 minutes or so). I would highly recommend >you >*not* put the kiln in your living area... > >L. Spangler _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 21:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:10:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Copy of: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:08:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.16852.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:mail@northlights.co.uk, INTERNET:mail@northlights.co.uk TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 3/15/98 8:49 PM RE: Re: Copy of: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Sender: glass@pop3.nildram.co.uk Received: from saturn.nildram.co.uk (saturn.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.22])= by dub-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id UAA29621 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:49:28 -0500 (EST)= Received: from max1-015.nildram.co.uk (max1-015.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.= 85]) by saturn.nildram.co.uk (8.8.7.nildram/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05084 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:49:26 GMT Message-Id: <199803160149.BAA05084@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Toby" To: "Michael J. Greer" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:44:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Copy of: Re: Bio#2 Elisabeth Reply-to: mail@northlights.co.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: mail@northlights.co.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Return-receipt-to: mail@northlights.co.uk Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1998Mar15.11543.0> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Exactly Dani!!! Well said! I am not a spring chicken; at the moment (after a 2 all -day = copper-foil workshop; loading car with about 15 large cases of glass, = and about 10 bags of tools, equipment and all the peripherals....), = I feel AT LEAST 104!! My feet are killing me! As that Irish hooligan Patrick said to me the other day; "I may be getting Old, but I REFUSE to grow up"! I too want to hear about all these cool things!! Only by hearing from our younger generation, will I find out where I = went wrong!! ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Hey, you guys quit being so ho-hum about your = bios! If other people's =3D sound more interesting than yours it's probably because we're.... well.. older. Had more time to do things! If you really think about it, you've =3D probably done some cool things, too. And we want to hear about them - =3D send Patrick your bio. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm = ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 21:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.16910.0> Precedence: bulk Jennie French's pattern book is exceptionally good not only for beginners, but for anyone looking to improve their artistic skills. She = pays particular attention to line quality and that focus is apparent in all the patterns resulting in some very lovely designs. The book I saw also included a chapter on photographing work. All in all, a decent book for anyone looking to sharpen their skills. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 22:05:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:18:12 -0800 Message-ID: <199803170218.SAA17433@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi all, > >Can anyone direct me to a pattern of a zebra where he stands sideways >but turns his head to look straight on...could be a full body or just >shoulders and head (my first choice). I'll need to make an hour's trip >to my "local" stain glass shop to look through pattern books and if I >had an idea of what book to look for that would save me some time. I Don't forget to look at horse patterns too...you could use the same basic shape and just add striped pajamas. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 22:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:43:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, oddjob@scc.net Subject: 1/8 " U Zinc Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:38:19, -0500 Message-ID: <199803170438.XAA19714@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Sue R. writes: Now my question........ I have tried to gently curve 1/8" zinc u came around the part that will fit and attach to the molding but the curve at the center (at the bottom) is rather tight and it won't curve around without bending outwards. Can you do this on a came bender? In the past I have only used a bender with "H" zinc. Also...has anyone ever tried painting zinc border white with model airplane paint? You can use a Cascade Came Bender to curve 1/8" U zinc. I know because I just did it. Making the complex curve for the bottom of your oval is easier if you do it MY way. Just cut the pattern to be curved to from 1/8" window glass and use this to form your 1/8" zinc. This method also works well for up to 1/2" lead H. I just formed a piece of 1/8" zinc U to a 4" radius without distortion. Heavier zinc and brass are best done with the came bender. Most any paint will adhear well to zinc. Scrub the zinc bright with fine steel wool for best adhesion. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 22:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:56:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: My first lamp! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:59:21 -0500 Message-ID: <199803170459.XAA00265@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, After 28 hours of work, 4.5 ft^2 of glass, 400g of solder, 50ml of patina, and several meters of copper foil, I have finished my first panel lamp. It contains 54 pieces, divided amongst 6 panels. I am happy with the result. It is my third project and I think I am making progress. My beading is still irregular due to the fact that my cuts are far from perfect, but much better than in my first project. I think I am improving. Now I am getting into trouble, my office starts to look like a stained-glass shop :) I noticed, however, that the lamp was bigger than perfect. I decided to buy a bronze base --"after all, it is reusable if I don't like my lamp shade" I told myself--. It has a label 9" (which is the hight from the bottom to the beginning of the bulb. Now, my lamp is around 14 inches in its maximum diameter and 10 inches in hight. It seems to be bigger than it should. My question is, what is a good proportion in base size, lamp height and max. diameter? I designed my first lamp and that might explain the inconsistencies in sizes. Thanks in advance, -- Daniel M. German "A first-rate laboratory is one in which mediocre scientists can produce Patrick Maynard Stuart Blackett ->outstanding work" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 22:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:04:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: IGGA fund-raiser-->Bidding for Albert Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:03:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.13356.0> References: <<1998Mar16.154644.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I bid an 18" stained glass Father Christmas, 10" snowman, 14" free standing angel(my design), 12" round open background(on a dreamcatcher frame) Hummingbird, and 12" orca, that all got smashed going to craft shows. NCScoutr wrote: > > Okay, since it's for IGGA, I'll see that cartridge in a bare tree, one > barrel of various high quality glass scraps..PLUS TWO dirty tube socks, > 1 pair of actual stockings (like used with garters,) my firstborn poem, > a never-used bottle of liquid flux, AND the neighbor's beastly beagle! > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > > Going...going... > > >... or is that a cartridge in a bare > >tree. I can never quite remember. > >> OK.....I bid one barrel of various high quality glass > >> scraps, a dirty tube sock and a slightly worn armadillo. > >> Next bid? > >> Shirley > >> Grapeland, Tx. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 23:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:21:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Bankers House" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Architectural Glass Question Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:21:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.182140.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD513A.A7EE3080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks.... hope you can help on this one? I am a member of the North Dakota State Historic Preservation Review = Board. It is our responsibility to review nominations for placing = buildings on the National Register of Historic Places. Recently a = property came up for review with a building material that we can't seem = to find much information on. I am wondering if there is anyone out = there that could shed some light on this one for me. The material is described as "Spandrel Glass", similar to Carrara. Here is what I believe I know of it: a modern equivalent to the = Carrara, Sani-Onyx, or Vitrolite products of the past, which are no = longer produced. It is a sheet of glass with a ceramic backing fired to = it. The colorant is in the ceramic backing. I have no dates... or = manufacturers. Any further information and/or corrections that you can provide would be = most useful. 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Hi folks.... hope you can help on = this=20 one?
 
I am a member of the North Dakota = State Historic=20 Preservation Review Board.  It is our responsibility to review = nominations=20 for placing buildings on the National Register of Historic Places.  = Recently a property came up for review with a building material that we = can't=20 seem to find much information on.  I am wondering if there is = anyone out=20 there that could shed some light on this one for me.
 
The material is described as = "Spandrel=20 Glass", similar to Carrara.
 
Here is what I = believe I=20 know of it:  a modern equivalent to the Carrara, Sani-Onyx, or = Vitrolite=20 products of the past, which are no longer produced.  It is a sheet = of glass=20 with a ceramic backing fired to it.  The colorant is in the ceramic = backing.  I have no dates... or manufacturers.
 
Any further information and/or = corrections that=20 you can provide would be most useful.
 
Thank you, Dale Bentley
 
Buffalo Glass Co.
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD513A.A7EE3080-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 16 23:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:15:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Margaret41@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite flux Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.211051.0> References: <<1998Mar16.174014.0>> Precedence: bulk Favorite flux? Canfield Soldermate 11. Least favorite flux? Canfield blue glass flux. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 00:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:18:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 1/8 " U Zinc Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:07:10 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.10710.0> Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk Dear Sue R., I can't believe what I'm about to say!!! (Egad, where's my asbestos suit??) There is a product which was introduced into the industry maybe a year or so ago that was plastic caming in assorted colors. White was the cheapest & most commonly found and if I recall correctly Warner's (among others) stocked it. As for bendability & working with it you'll have to contact a distributor or something. I was distinctly among the purists which berated the very *existence of the stuff, but I suppose that it may have its applicability after all... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "The well of Providence is deep. It's the buckets we bring to it that are small." --Mary Webb ---- >Now my question........ >I have tried to gently curve 1/8" zinc u came around the part that will fit >and attach to the molding but the curve at the center (at the bottom) is >rather tight and it won't curve around without bending outwards. Can you do >this on a came bender? In the past I have only used a bender with "H" zinc. > >Also...has anyone ever tried painting zinc border white with model airplane >paint? (I don't want to use the plastic molding that I have seen in the >Home Depot type lumber stores.) >Thanks in advance for any advice >Sue Reitmann (who is working on her bio) * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 01:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:17:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Bankers House" To: "Daniel M. German" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My first lamp! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:18:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.20182.0> Precedence: bulk I had the same question a few years ago.... was told that a good rule of thumb was width of lamp shade should be the same as the height from base to bulb.... with the stipulation that you should always try the shade on the base, and see if you like it. Not a lot of help.... maybe someone else can offer other suggestions. Dale Bentley Buffalo Glass Co. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 12:59 AM Subject: My first lamp! > >Hi Everybody, > >After 28 hours of work, 4.5 ft^2 of glass, 400g of solder, 50ml of >patina, and several meters of copper foil, I have finished my first >panel lamp. It contains 54 pieces, divided amongst 6 panels. I am >happy with the result. It is my third project and I think I am making >progress. My beading is still irregular due to the fact that my cuts >are far from perfect, but much better than in my first project. I >think I am improving. > >Now I am getting into trouble, my office starts to look like a >stained-glass shop :) > >I noticed, however, that the lamp was bigger than perfect. I decided >to buy a bronze base --"after all, it is reusable if I don't like my >lamp shade" I told myself--. It has a label 9" (which is the hight >from the bottom to the beginning of the bulb. Now, my lamp is around >14 inches in its maximum diameter and 10 inches in hight. It seems to >be bigger than it should. > >My question is, what is a good proportion in base size, lamp height >and max. diameter? I designed my first lamp and that might explain the >inconsistencies in sizes. > >Thanks in advance, > > >-- >Daniel M. German "A first-rate laboratory is one in > which mediocre scientists can produce > Patrick Maynard Stuart Blackett ->outstanding work" >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 01:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:39:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: HELP! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:19:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.161927.0> Precedence: bulk 1. I have zinc, just the u shaped about 1/4 inch stuff to go around the edge. I just didn't know if the wider would add anymore strength, since there is rebar involved. >(the wider came will add strength but only a very little) 2. O.K. ,This piece is also copperfoil. When I get ready to put the zinc edging around it, do I first tin the copper edge or not. If not, how will the zinc stick to the edges of the glass where there isn't a seam to solder to? >(I can't see that tinning will do much, but I think that you might find it a good idea to cement the perimeter as you would lead) But. if I do need to tin the edge, How will I heat up the zinc so that the solder underneath sticks to it? >(if you use a wide enough foil you can solder the zinc to the foil around the perimeter but it does take a fair amount of heat and you run the risk of cracking a piece of glass, I think the cementing is the better way to go) 3. Am I just thinking about this stuff too much?!?!? >(you can't be too cautious with an overhead situation) Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 01:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:40:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Your first lamp! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.162935.0> Precedence: bulk A question Daniel, do you use a restrictor on your multi piece panels? And if you are doing a ladder, do you use a jig? If not these techniques help a lot for accuracy. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German [SMTP:dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 8:59 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: My first lamp! It is my third project and I think I am making progress. My beading is still irregular due to the fact that my cuts are far from perfect, but much better than in my first project. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 06:39:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:58:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:33:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.233320.0> References: <<1998Mar17.03529.0>> Organization: Glassy Ideas Precedence: bulk > Yea, I have a horse....but I'm not going in her back side to get that when it > comes out....whew....it's like the dam breaks....... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seeing as this is such a delicate subject.... anyone ever thought of human urine? Ewwww! At least it would be easier to collect! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 07:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "The Bankers House" Subject: Re: Architectural Glass Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > The material is described as "Spandrel Glass", similar to Carrara. > > Here is what I believe I know of it: a modern equivalent to the = > Carrara, Sani-Onyx, or Vitrolite products of the past, which are no = > longer produced. It is a sheet of glass with a ceramic backing fired to = > it. The colorant is in the ceramic backing. I have no dates... or = > manufacturers. According to Julie L. Sloan (author of "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" -- http://www.aiap.com/ ), so-called spandrel glass is no longer manufactured. Lever House in New York is clad with the stuff and as it fails it can't be replaced. The same thing's going on with the Museum of Modern Art in NYC; they had it made to order when the building was erected, but now they're in the same position as Lever House. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 07:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:46:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: CWWSLW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.4415.0> References: <<1998Mar17.01118.0>> Precedence: bulk CWWSLW wrote: > > Okay, I'm almost finished with my giraffe panel. Remember, it's a 2' x 3' to > be recessed into a ceiling. Well, here are my questions. > > 1. I have zinc, just the u shaped about 1/4 inch stuff to go around the edge. > This window will have about 3 reinforcements going across. Should I use the > wider zinc? The edges will be in a rabbit. I just didn't know if the wider > would add anymore strength, since there is rebar involved. > > 2. O.K. ,This piece is also copperfoil. When I get ready to put the zinc > edging around it, do I first tin the copper edge or not. If not, how will the > zinc stick to the edges of the glass where there isn't a seam to solder to? > But. if I do need to tin the edge, How will I heat up the zinc so that the > solder underneath sticks to it? > > 3. Am I just thinking about this stuff too much?!?!? > > I just love my bungi buddies!! > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm not sure what to say about the first question. as for number 2: there really is'nt any need to tin the foil. the zinc pushes on over the foil. then you solder the zinc to the solder seams on both sides. and since it's going into a ceiling you may want to add stiff rebar on the back (also attaching it to the rebar and setting it into the frame). the rebar i'd use would probably be 3/8" brass put onto it's side. this way the panel won't bow. you can never think about these things too much. when i do one of my projects i cut, foil, and solder every piece in my head before making it. this way i can find out problems i may have in the future. like if i can't get my iron into a tight place, or if a door may not work right. you don't want to find out you need a part from the store when your almost done; and then find out there's 12 feet of snow outside and you can't go anywhere. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 08:27:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:51:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberus.ca!lick From: Carolyn Lick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: silvering Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:53:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980317095329.0092d7d0@cyberus.ca> References: <> Precedence: bulk At 05:28 PM 16/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Charles Spitzer wrote: >> you are probably referring to chemical deposition rather than electrical. There are some tried and true methods to plate silver. The Tozer process and the Brashear process come to mind. These use silver nitrate, ammonium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, and acidified sugar in alcohol as a reducer. In a nutshell, what is happening is that the silver salt is deposited on the surface and then reduced to form metallic silver. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 08:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:37:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dragon Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:38:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.223838.0> References: <<199803170014.AAA01379@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: Try looking at www.draconian.com - lots of interesting dragons for inspiration Shiela > > Hi Katherine, > Ask V.T. Phelps; she's got one next door :-D > (How about modifying one of those Monster metals? > or how about using St.George & the Dragon? > Children's fairy tales? > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Katherine asks: > We are having a hard time finding good dragon patterns any suggestions/ > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 08:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My first lamp! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.5425.0> References: <<199803170459.XAA00265@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > After 28 hours of work, 4.5 ft^2 of glass, 400g of solder, 50ml of > patina, and several meters of copper foil, I have finished my first > panel lamp. It contains 54 pieces, divided amongst 6 panels. I am > happy with the result. It is my third project and I think I am making > progress. My beading is still irregular due to the fact that my cuts > are far from perfect, but much better than in my first project. I > think I am improving. > > Now I am getting into trouble, my office starts to look like a > stained-glass shop :) > > I noticed, however, that the lamp was bigger than perfect. I decided > to buy a bronze base --"after all, it is reusable if I don't like my > lamp shade" I told myself--. It has a label 9" (which is the hight > from the bottom to the beginning of the bulb. Now, my lamp is around > 14 inches in its maximum diameter and 10 inches in hight. It seems to > be bigger than it should. > > My question is, what is a good proportion in base size, lamp height > and max. diameter? I designed my first lamp and that might explain the > inconsistencies in sizes. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Daniel M. German "A first-rate laboratory is one in > which mediocre scientists can produce > Patrick Maynard Stuart Blackett ->outstanding work" > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass generally i found that the base should be around half of the diameter of the shade (though it could larger). the height is really up to you and what your going to do with it. in the case with my fish lamp the shade is about 12-13" tall, and the base is about 1-2" taller then the shade. it looks fairly proportional. my new lamp will probably be around 14-16" wide. the base though will need to be taller then the shade, though i don't yet know by how much. though i'm up to the stage where i can draw up full size profiles. hopefully i can figure out the size question my self. it always get's difficult when you design something yourself. unlike a tiffany reproduction, all that work is done for you. the colors are more or less pre-chosen. the mold is done along with the pattern. and even the base is pretty much picked out. there's no real need for creativity (except for glass placement). so basically it's up to you what will look best, it's your art. if it looks right, then it is. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 09:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:49:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Architectural Glass Question Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:51:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199803171549.JAA26217@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Say Albert, what was the name of that Julie Sloan book again? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 10:54:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: croch@ibm.net To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Test Only Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:32:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar16.233221.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD5176.D25F65A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is Bungi down or am I? Ugh - missing you! Namaste' Carol ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD5176.D25F65A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is Bungi down or am I?  Ugh - = missing=20 you!
Namaste'   =20 Carol
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD5176.D25F65A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 11:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:00:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yet Another Solder/Flux Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:53:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199803171558.PAA12111@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Well, Laurean.... Not so absurd after all!! Theophilus in his great manual "On Divers Arts", commented that to obtain a particular hue of green (.. I think) of a glass colour, it required the urine of a red-haired boy of age no more than 10.... No mention of quantity though.... .... so why not for flux!? seems logical to me... (a lot cheaper too ;-)) So, when you're really stuck, says I, P&*% on it!! ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Thread so far: > Yea, I have a horse....but I'm not going in her back side to get that when it > comes out....whew....it's like the dam breaks....... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seeing as this is such a delicate subject.... anyone ever thought of human urine? Ewwww! At least it would be easier to collect! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 11:14:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803171700.MAA29087@detroit.freenet.org> Precedence: bulk We usually pour a topping mix first and then vibrate the mold until most of the bubbles disappear. We pour the rest of the coarser mix and then vibrate again. Question: is it necessary to vibrate the course layer? Have had some shifting and wonder if less vibration might minimize this possibility. Also: with the new quick setting concrete, are there problems leaving the stones out in winter. Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 11:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:12:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: jroey@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hot glass and kiln question, bios Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:06:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.18643.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-14 09:38:35 EST, you write: << hot glass and kiln question >> No you should not vent your kiln directly into your living space. At the temps you reach for painting and or fusing many toxic materials become smoke or gas. This includes lead in the washes meant to prevent devitrification, as well as such goodies as lead, cadmium, arsenic, and other heavy metals in vitreous paints. Purchase a vent hood or some other vent system or else use your kiln in an open garage or other out building. The toxic stuff we produce isn't as bad as firing up your car, but you wouldn't do that in the house either. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 11:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:01:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: pricing Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:58:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.175846.0> Precedence: bulk Ok, I know I'm asking for it but How do you price your glass for sale? Is there formula? Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 11:43:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:48:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: Margaret41@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:47:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.174746.0> Precedence: bulk Margaret regarding easy to use software. I'm the designer at Meredith Stained Glass Studios. I've been using The Glass Eye for several months now, and I like it for its simplicity. The pros are that it has a very very easy learning curve, and that most of the things you need specifically for stained glass design are there. it also has an easypage set up and print preview that lets you print full size or proportions to your printers page size--nice for ppresentations. The drawback is that there is no typing ability at all. Therefore you must manually number your pattern. They tell me that newer versions will address this. I also understand that you can try it on line. I think (but I'm not sure)that the address is dragonfly.com. I've also used American Bevel Designer, but I find it too complex. If you are going to go to all the trouble of mastering a design program that deep you might as well buy and learn Adobe Illustrator which is not specifically for stained glass, but has all that you need and more for designing patterns as well as flyers, ads, and all sorts of graphics. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 12:03:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:12:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.181210.0> Precedence: bulk About using boot polish on your lead work. I've found pretty much any polishing wax works as does just a natural bristle brush. Here's a good trick one of our people came up with. Cut a scrub brush (tampico of course) off square. Drill a hole in the middle and secure a long bolt through the hole. Mount this in your drill. Sure saves a lot of elbow grease. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 12:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: HELP! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:41:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.18417.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-16 20:48:55 EST, you write: << HELP! >> The zinc border you propose to use on your ceiling panel will not add structural integrity, but neither will a wider zinc. It will improve handling and look more professional, but the real support needs to come from the frame. If the edges of the glass as well as the three rebars are engaged by the frame, whether or not you have a zinc or lead border or no border at all you'll be OK. If the edges are to be supported only by the zinc, then the panel will stay up there only as long as the zinc survives, which can be a surprisingly short time in a damp environment. Are you thinking about this too much. Probably not if your going to suspend glass over somebody's head. I respect too much more than too little. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 12:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:47:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker), glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:45:47 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "stepping stones" on Mar 17, 12:00, Sue Becker writes:] > > We usually pour a topping mix first and then vibrate the mold until most of > the bubbles disappear. We pour the rest of the coarser mix and then vibrate > again. Question: is it necessary to vibrate the course layer? Have had some > shifting and wonder if less vibration might minimize this possibility. Too much vibrating can cause this apparently. > Also: with the new quick setting concrete, are there problems leaving the > stones out in winter. > If the winters are very cold,...yes. You'd have to bring them in for the winters. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 13:15:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: donald f davis To: pkelly Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Penguin Lovers Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:12:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar17.101221.0> References: <<1998Mar8.154918.0>> Precedence: bulk How and where can someone find score magazine? I am fairly new to the stained glass. Thanks in advance Don On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, pkelly wrote: > To all of you lovers of the little fat birds in the tuxedos there is a > pattern in the new SCORE magazine. > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 13:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: First time Date: Tue Mar 17 12:16:22 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar17.222719gmt+0100.19587@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings all, I must say it is indeed a pleasure to join a list that is so lively. I wonder if somebody can help me with a reinforcing question that I have. I am about to take on a piece of work consisting of a panel that consists of Orion the Hunter holding a defeated lion. The stars that make up the relevant constellation are spaced about the panel which is appox. 7ft high by 4ft across. The pieces taht make up the background are fairly large (approx 1.5sqft each) This panel is going into an existing aluminium frame that is in a courtyard that is protected from direct wind. Obviously this panel will need some sort of reinforcement. Can I get a few suggestions please?? I am planning to run two hollow cames along the panel vertically at about 18inches apart and then insert a steel bar into the hollow. Is this a suitable idea for a panel this size?? All comments most welcome Frank ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 13:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:23:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Zebrite/Zebo/Kiwi? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Mar17.181210.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Glass Sue wrote: > Here's a good trick > one of our people came up with. Cut a scrub brush (tampico of course) off > square. Drill a hole in the middle and secure a long bolt through the hole. > Mount this in your drill. Sure saves a lot of elbow grease. doesn't this tend to wear out the bearings/bushings in the drill pretty fast? drills aren't designed to have offcenter or side loads. i went to a small appliance repair shop and obtained round boar-bristle brushes intended for a floor scrubber. they were about 6" in diameter. i used these in a drill and it worked pretty well. i've have seen shops where these were used in side grinders, and they were lots easier to work with. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 14:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:02:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsSOPHIA From: MsSOPHIA To: Margaret41@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Stained Glass Software Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:55:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.205552.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890168153_boundary Content-ID: <0_890168153@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-03-17 14:44:36 EST, GlassSue@aol.com writes: << Margaret41@aol.com >> Address for Glasseye (Dragonfly Software) is : http://www.dfly.com And Yes, you can try the demo program as well as the Internet Version. --part0_890168153_boundary Content-ID: <0_890168153@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay01.mx.aol.com (relay01.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.125]) by air07.mail.aol.com (v40.9) with SMTP; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:44:35 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by relay01.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA19401; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:48:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: Margaret41@aol.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:47:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.174746.0> Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Margaret regarding easy to use software. I'm the designer at Meredith Stained Glass Studios. I've been using The Glass Eye for several months now, and I like it for its simplicity. The pros are that it has a very very easy learning curve, and that most of the things you need specifically for stained glass design are there. it also has an easypage set up and print preview that lets you print full size or proportions to your printers page size--nice for ppresentations. The drawback is that there is no typing ability at all. Therefore you must manually number your pattern. They tell me that newer versions will address this. I also understand that you can try it on line. I think (but I'm not sure)that the address is dragonfly.com. I've also used American Bevel Designer, but I find it too complex. If you are going to go to all the trouble of mastering a design program that deep you might as well buy and learn Adobe Illustrator which is not specifically for stained glass, but has all that you need and more for designing patterns as well as flyers, ads, and all sorts of graphics. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part0_890168153_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 15:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:05:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 1/8 " U zinc Thanks Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:07:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.11730.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who offered suggestions on bending my zinc. I used Bob's method and did it HIS way. It worked like a charm and caused me no problems. It popped up a little at the deepest part of the curve but I used my flat bladed pliers to gently squeeze it back flat. You on Bungi are the "greatest" ! Sue Reitmann: (who is a great procrastinator and hasn't gotten the bio done yet.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 16:54:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:49:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: dfdavis@indiana.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Penguin Lovers Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:45:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar17.234559.0> Precedence: bulk Spectrum Glass Score Magazine can be found online: www.spectrumglass.com There is an icon for Score magazine on their home page. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 18:26:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:24:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!arreouw From: Leannan Sidhe To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hiyas, all! :) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:56:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.145627.0> Precedence: bulk I'm new to the list, as you can see. Sent in a SHORT bio already, but it's kind of abbreviated. I'm not much on talking about me. But I DO have a couple of questions. First, can anyone suggest any online sites to get sandcarving designs? I can do my own, and am happy to, but I LOVE collecting patterns anyway. I started out doing a lot of stained glass pieces, but fell in love with sandcarving and now that's mostly what I do. Second, why is it that sometimes (fairly regularly, actually) I get messages with no text in them? Is there something about my system/software that keeps me from seeing them? I'm using Netscape Communicator for mail. Finally, thanks everyone, for an interesting and informative list! :) Lynn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 19:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:33:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: lynb@gnt.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Zebra pattern Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.163128.0> References: <<350D56B2.5925665C@gnt.net>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Lyn: The other book that Mike is talking about is the GlasDesign "Wildlife" book. It has a pattern with 2 zebras (one with its head turned and the other looking straight on). Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 20:23:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pricing Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:31:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.153120.0> Precedence: bulk Depends on what work your doing Dianne... I do mainly panels for windows,doors,cabinets in homes... My base price is $50 per square foot plus $1-$2 per piece/cut for simple designs with lead came and low priced glass..I charge more for using zinc and brass... They price starts climbing as the piece gets more complex and also the design time has to be figgured in....I do give discounts to steady home builders as they give a lot of repeat work that can be cranked out fairly fast thus making steady money to pay those every painfull bills that come each month... Thats a good starting point for you to go from.... You'll just have to do it by trial and error... One BIG hint::::: I keep a log on every job I do... In the log (job study) I record all materials used on the job and all time spent producing the panel... I keep track of the amount of time spent designing the panel and the actual time spent building,cementing,polishing etc for the panel..That more than anything else has helped me to get my prices where they need to be to make a decent profit.... Be sure and keep track of what supplies cost you also,that will help keep you on the track.. Byron... -----Original Message----- From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 5:45 AM Subject: pricing >Ok, I know I'm asking for it but > >How do you price your glass for sale? Is there formula? > >Dianne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 21:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:16:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: silvering Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:19:28 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Carolyn, Could you please detail these methods, as I am very interested to know how the process of mirror silvering works. Thanks. Sarah > >There are some tried and true methods to plate silver. > >The Tozer process and the Brashear process come to mind. These use silver >nitrate, ammonium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, and acidified sugar in >alcohol as a reducer. > >In a nutshell, what is happening is that the silver salt is deposited on >the surface and then reduced to form metallic silver. > >Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 17 23:02:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:09:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil From: Menil Alain To: glass@bungi.com, Leannan Sidhe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Hiyas, all! :) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:07:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.8730.0> References: <<1998Mar17.145627.0>> Precedence: bulk Leannan Sidhe wrote: > > I'm new to the list, as you can see. Sent in a SHORT bio already, but > it's kind of abbreviated. I'm not much on talking about me. But I DO > have a couple of questions. > > First, can anyone suggest any online sites to get sandcarving designs? > I can do my own, and am happy to, but I LOVE collecting patterns > anyway. I started out doing a lot of stained glass pieces, but fell in > love with sandcarving and now that's mostly what I do. > > Second, why is it that sometimes (fairly regularly, actually) I get > messages with no text in them? Is there something about my > system/software that keeps me from seeing them? I'm using Netscape > Communicator for mail. > > Finally, thanks everyone, for an interesting and informative list! :) > > Lynn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi, I also received messages without text inside; around 1/3. I don't know the origin.And I also use Netscape Communicator. Is there a relationship? Thanks to everyone for your interesting discussions. -- Alain Mιnil from Le Mans, France mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 04:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:04:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: PDRUSS@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pricing Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:04:00 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Dianne, I've pasted in an example of a recent job I did that has how I compute my charges. Because I never know what happens with formatting on other computer/programs, in a nutshell, I charge $1.25 to $1.50 per piece of glass cut, plus $50-$70 per square foot, plus 20% if the design is 3 dimensional or layered. To that total, I add 5% if it is an original design, more if I have to do a lot of work on a customer's concept. I figure the square footage based on the size of a rectanglular box that the piece would fit in laying flat, since glass comes in rectangular sheets (usually). I also adjust for the type of glass, difficulty of the cuts, and occasionally add a "boredom" charge for a design that I think is ugly or tedious. Crucifix Number of pieces @ $1.50 each 13 $19.50 Square footage for oval layer @ $70.00 each 1.5 $105.00 Square footage for cross layer @ $70.00 each 2 $140.00 Square footage for corpus layer @ $70.00 each 1.5 $105.00 Square footage for draping layer @70.00 each 1 $70.00 Sub Total for labor & supplies $439.50 3d/multi layer design fee @ +20% $87.90 Original design @ +5% $21.98 Total design $549.38 Altar Cross Number of pieces @ 1.25 11 $13.75 Square footage for circle layer @ $50.00 1 $50.00 Square footage for cross layer @ $50.00 1.5 $75.00 Square footage for mirror layer @ $50.00 (minimum) 1 $50.00 Bevel/Blob/Jewel 1 $0.50 Sub Total for labor and supplies $189.25 3d/multi layer design fee @ +20% $37.85 Original design @+5% $9.46 Total design $236.56 >>> P D RUSS 03/17 11:58 AM >>> Ok, I know I'm asking for it but How do you price your glass for sale? Is there formula? Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 07:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:30:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil From: Menil Alain To: glass@bungi.com, maruca@netaxs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Hiyas, all! :) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:29:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.152939.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hi Mary and other bungians, No it's not my first post, but as I am not a glassmaker or something like else, I don't often discuss; I read that all of you post here and it's very good for my english training. The main reason why I don' t discuss is my broken english which is not so fluent to discuss in time. For your information, I'm a glass collector, mainly european popular glass - ancient german enamelled one is my preferred-, and my centres of interest are a little byside of your subjects. And if you want to learm more about me, I'll say that if I collect glass is I like so much wine I want to taste it in good conditions... and thin old glass is a very good one when lips become in contact with wine; but if I continue i'll be off topic. Nevertheless I'm interestested with all your subjects of discussions. And Please all of you continue, I learn so much!!! maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > > Alain! > > Is this your first post? I don't recall any posts from France before. > > Bienvenu! Je voudrais bien apprendre de la vitrine en votre region. Well, > there you have it. My broken French will stop right there. Do tell us > about glass where you come from. > > All the best, > > Mary -- Alain Mιnil 3 bis impasse Montbarbet, 72000 Le Mans, France tel/fax: 33 (0)2 43 82 16 91 mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 08:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio# Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:35:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar17.233527.0> References: <<199803170043.AAA06864@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Glassy Ideas Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth! Went to your site, looked at your pic, and must say you look younger than I expected! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 09:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:35:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Yikes! Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:30:52 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I find it a little scary that anyone is looking to bungi to help with their English! While the colloquialisms and slang are not so bad, I'm afraid many of us are less than stellar in our spelling and grammar! Oh well, I guess we still manage to communicate, and I suppose that's the important thing.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 10:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:02:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!madglass From: Mary Ann Dulemba To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Linden Hall Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:03:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980318120302.00698514@usaor.net> Precedence: bulk Just one more note on Linden Hall that was featured on America's Castles. They do have a web address. www.lindenhallpa.com I thought you might enjoy checking this out. Mary Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 10:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:11:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: have I been dropped Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.53736.0> Precedence: bulk I've been having incredible computer problems for at least week and just realized yesterday that I have not been getting any bungi mail. Have I been dropped? I didn't want to be! Thanks, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 10:46:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: bungi Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio# Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:18:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980318121851.006b0d80@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<199803170043.AAA06864@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I think I should check out this picture. Elisabeth (with and Ess) leads us to beleive she is "old".... from her bio... close as I can figure, she is about the same age as me .... and I am not old.... At 07:35 AM 3/18/98 -0800, Laurean wrote: >Hi Elisabeth! > Went to your site, looked at your pic, >and must say you look younger than I expected! > >Laurean >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 11:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:53:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sandblasting Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:37:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803181437.GAA05827@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Tue Mar 17 18:34:47 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: erols.com!arreouw >From: Leannan Sidhe >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Hiyas, all! :) >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:56:27 -0500 >Precedence: bulk > >I'm new to the list, as you can see. Sent in a SHORT bio already, but >it's kind of abbreviated. I'm not much on talking about me. But I DO >have a couple of questions. > >First, can anyone suggest any online sites to get sandcarving designs? >I can do my own, and am happy to, but I LOVE collecting patterns >anyway. I started out doing a lot of stained glass pieces, but fell in >love with sandcarving and now that's mostly what I do. > >Second, why is it that sometimes (fairly regularly, actually) I get >messages with no text in them? Is there something about my >system/software that keeps me from seeing them? I'm using Netscape >Communicator for mail. > >Finally, thanks everyone, for an interesting and informative list! :) > >Lynn >Hi Lynn, There's definitely a 'blast' to blasting, I fell in love also. What kind of stuff are you interested in? I know Norm Dobbins has a couple of books out, sandcarving and etching. I like to get ideas from...tatoo books:) and leather carving books by Al Stohlman I found a great help for animals and scenery. The detail in leather tooling effects can be applied to glass in sandcarving, and I have found it very helpful for me, in trying to learn texture and shading along with defining depth. Happy blasting, Cindy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 11:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:53:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: metal castings Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:36:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803181436.GAA28244@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi bungians... I'm looking for small metal casts of dragons and wizards, not for hanging. About 1 1/2" to 2" tall. Thanks,Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 13:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:19:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Yikes! Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:19:43 -0600 Message-ID: <199803182018.OAA20030@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk I have to disagree Kay. I think the casual style that is used in email enhances communication. Very rarely do I receive ( and never send) email business or personal, in the stiff, dry style with correct grammar that's used in business letters. To me it makes the correspondence more personal and I find it more effective in *getting * to people quicker then letters or even the telephone most of the time. Email has evolved into a conversational style and I think thats one of its strongest points. Personally, I jump at every opportunity to do business via email. I do keep an eye on the spelling though. Len >I find it a little scary that anyone is looking to bungi to help >with their English! While the colloquialisms and slang are not so >bad, I'm afraid many of us are less than stellar in our spelling and >grammar! Oh well, I guess we still manage to communicate, and I >suppose that's the important thing.... > >Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 14:59:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:02:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: metal castings Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:55:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar18.215549.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-18 14:27:19 EST, cpesonen@bcinternet.net writes: << for small metal casts of dragons and wizards, >> Warner-Crivellaro has several metal casting dragons. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 15:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: croch@ibm.net To: "Glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Testing Once Again Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.7636.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD527F.74569F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having email probs - sorry if this is a repeat test - I see the = headers, but no messages, ugh! more later. Patrick, did you get my bio? = Thanks to all for patience... Namaste' Carol ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD527F.74569F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am having email probs - sorry if = this is a=20 repeat test - I see the headers, but no messages, ugh! more later.  = Patrick, did you get my bio?  Thanks to all for = patience...
Namaste'   =20 Carol
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD527F.74569F00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 16:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:54:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:58:40 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk New information has been put up on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events." Click on "Biz Buzz" then on "Events" -- the following workshops begin under "April" and exttend through "September": A ton of glass workshops at Corning Glass in New York. Another ton of lampworking and glassblowing workshops at Inspiration Farm in Washington State. Other news: the summer workshops at the College of Fine Art and Glass in Switzerland are pretty much cast in stone now. Take a look at http://www.esvc.com/ and click on "Workshops." Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 17:16:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:47:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: numbering Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.13616.0> Precedence: bulk On my last project having a number of pieces, in addition to numbering, I made a spreadsheet list of the numbers corresponding to the colors, i. e., 1-32, green leaf, 33-45 flower petal, and so on. There was a check off box or boxes next to the number (there were three repeats) to check off. When I cut the pieces I drew a diagonal line thru the box(s);when they were ground to fit I drew another diagonal line to make an X. It helped me keep track of my progress and what I needed to do. You could adapt this to whatever way you like to work. Hope it helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 18:20:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:35:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: dragons and wizards Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:43:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.54324.0> Organization: Glassy Ideas Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy, Try the Delphi catalog. I just got one this week, and saw lots of dragons. Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 19:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hi all.... Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.164837.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all.....this is my first posting here. I'm in Canada....outside Toronto. I've been into glass work for 10 years and have been teaching stained glass for about 7 years at a local college here. I love the meduim...and learned so much while I worked in a local glass studio . ......just want to keep in touch with fellow glass workers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 18 21:24:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hi all.... Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:28:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar19.42814.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Karina!! This is the BEST place to get advice and exchange ideas!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 00:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: numbering Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar18.181358.0> Precedence: bulk From: Herb Adler To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: numbering Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:06 PM On my last project having a number of pieces, in addition to numbering, I made a spreadsheet list of the numbers corresponding to the colors, i. e.= , 1-32, green leaf, 33-45 flower petal, and so on. There was a check off bo= x or boxes next to the number (there were three repeats) to check off. When= I cut the pieces I drew a diagonal line thru the box(s);when they were grou= nd to fit I drew another diagonal line to make an X. It helped me keep track= of my progress and what I needed to do. You could adapt this to whatever way you like to work. Hope it helps. =8D Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 02:12:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:54:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: metal castings Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:55:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.8553.0> Precedence: bulk At 16:55 18/03/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-18 14:27:19 EST, cpesonen@bcinternet.net writes: > ><< for small metal casts of dragons and wizards, >> > >Warner-Crivellaro has several metal casting dragons. >---- To see one range of metal castings visit http://www.monstermetals.com, which shows all the Monster Metal figures made up with stained glass additions. Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 02:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:08:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio# Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199803190903.JAA05613@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Creak, creak, creak..... It must be the way my feet felt after having hopped about on my feet for a total of 13 hours, 2 days running, loading, un-loading, re-loading and un-re-loading my car for a 2 day week-end workshop...:-( In case you are still trying to work it out, I am over 50, but less than 55. That's "Over The Hill" Over Here. ...Or could it be you are looking at the wrong one...? :-> Some bright Irish spark (who shall remain name-less) asked why Toby and I had the same hairstyle... You're far better off looking at the wonderful stained glass canope we stood under in the gardens of the Family Loire in France. If you do visit my web-site again, I now have a guest-book that you can sign.... Text of the Chartres visit, I am sorry to say - is still missing. It'll come.... Which reminds me, Alain in France already posted a message a month or so ago in Bungi, asking if anyone was interested in German glass ware. But nobody took any notice. I did, but "filed" his message for later reply, since I was already engrossed in finalizing the UK suppliers list for UK Bunginians. So let's clean our finger-nails, blow our noses, clear our throats and wish Alain in France "Bien Venue a Bungi!" Pity you didn't find Bungi a year ago and we could have met up on our trip to Chartres!! Where do you live? There are now enough of us "Across the Pond" to ensure some respectable Anglo-Saxon English is represented as well, so I wouldn't worry too much. If you like, I will return each e-mail you send, to you personally and into Bungi, with corrected spelling and grammatical footnotes as well as etymological notes. (teehee!). That should raise some hackles..... Len, to you I am tempted to send you samples from a 19th Century manual written in India during the era of The British Raj (i.e. Rule) in how to compose business letters in English to suit every occasion. It's an absolute TREAT! Enough meandering! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (in true Swedish fashion ;-> ) Picking up on thread: I think I should check out this picture. Elisabeth (with and Ess) leads us to beleive she is "old".... from her bio... close as I can figure, she is about the same age as me .... and I am not old.... At 07:35 AM 3/18/98 -0800, Laurean wrote: >Hi Elisabeth! > Went to your site, looked at your pic, >and must say you look younger than I expected! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 07:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:02:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: croch@ibm.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Testing Once Again Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.4755.0> References: <<1998Mar18.7636.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk In response to the question about blank mail - this arrived thursday am. Has no valid data other than the header info visible to me. I am using Netscape Communicator v 4.04. Anybody else get a valid post? What are you using as a mail reader?? croch@ibm.net wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 07:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:13:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: suck up? Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:04:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.048.0> References: <<35077DAB.74BAB513@n-link.com>> Organization: Glassy Ideas Precedence: bulk Patrick, You ought to be ashamed of yourself for calling me a suck up!! I have never been accused of that before! Domineering and biting, but never a suck up! You are becoming quite adept at causing trouble on this list, and I ORDER you to cease and desist! If you'd quit kissing inanimate objects, I wouldn't have to write things like this..... Laurean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oh no she doesn't. Laurean; you are a suck-up. (8-). > Patrick > Razes and Raindrops ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 08:33:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:30:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: metal castings Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:29:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803191529.HAA25195@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Thanks for the many responses... I'll break down and send out the 5 bucks for catalogues:) Over the years (17) I've never had to before, guess it's a must for cost on their part. Lots of stuff out there I haven't seen...guess that's why, chuckle. In the dark ages, Cindy Grin and bear should be my motto!!!!!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 08:51:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:50:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Cindy Pesonen , "[unknown]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: metal castings Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.5465.0> Precedence: bulk I know the following metal castings are available from various stained glass sources: Creative Castings: flying dragon, butterfly ladies, woodland nymph, angel= s, griffin, bejewelled flying dragon Flight into Fantasy: flying dragon, dragasour, setting dragon, angels, fairy lady Outeast Castings: eagle, swan, standing dragon, peacock, gargoyle, pixie with flower, dragon queen, butterfly girl, pegasus, angels, flying dragon= s, winged unicorn Check it out from your local stained glass store first, then check the catalog suppliers. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 09:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:54:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries27.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199803191554.KAA00464@aries27.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk >From dmg Thu Mar 19 10:10:56 -0500 1998 To: "Glenn Spicer" Subject: RE: Your first lamp! In-Reply-To: <1998Mar16.162935.0> References: <1998Mar16.162935.0> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 19.34.1 Reply-To: dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca From: Daniel M. German Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glenn Spicer twistes the bytes to say: Glenn> A question Daniel, do you use a restrictor on your multi piece panels? And Glenn> if you are doing a ladder, do you use a jig? If not these techniques help a A restrictor? A ladder? a jig? Mmm, I think I'm still far from being able to understand the jargon of the guilt. My instructor lied, he claimed that after a) I burned my fingers --trying to pick up hot solder--; b) I had cut my fingers with glass; c) my fingertip started to look like those of a construction worker I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. I might be part of it, but an illiterate member, thought. Let me explain. I glued two strips of wood along each edge of a copy of my pattern. I had no problem with the final assembly. The best seams in my lamp are the external ones --it is a 6 panels' lamp. I think this "device" will qualify as a jig. I am not sure what the others are. My problem I is that I am still not very accurate in my glass cutting. Sometimes the pieces fit perfectly, sometimes they don't. As a consequence, my beads look irregular in diameter. :( They are starting to look more regular, though. -- Daniel M. German "A machine --computer-- can only do Lady Lovelance -> what we tell it to do" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca -- Daniel M. German "For indeed who is there alive that will not be swayed by his bias and partiality to Jonathan Swift -> the place of his birth?" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 09:30:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:55:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Over the hill was -Re: Bio# Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.6034.0> References: <<199803190903.JAA05613@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Well I guess there are more boomers over here in the colonies. Myself and my peers are in the same age group as you, and there are more of us than any other demographic category. So we have decided that 'middle age' is at least 20 years older than we are (now matter what age we are at any point in time). I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up. It's never too late to have a happy childhood. I can't be going through a second childhood, I'm not done with the first. Toby wrote: > In case you are still trying to work it out, I am over 50, but less > than 55. That's "Over The Hill" Over Here. > . ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 10:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberus.ca!lick From: Carolyn Lick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: silvering Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:18:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980319111858.00922b20@cyberus.ca> References: <<199803191347.IAA02105@cyberus.ca>> Precedence: bulk At 08:49 AM 19/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >> Could you please detail these methods, as I am very interested to know how >> the process of mirror silvering works. Thanks. I've sent the long and technical procedures privately to Sarah so as not to clog up the list. If anyone else is interested, let me know and I'll forward on the e-mail. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 10:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:04:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: "Steve Matthies" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Rondels Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:00:37 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Question....I am looking for a source of these, preferably west coast. = After doing an internet search, the only source I turned up was blenko. = Surely the must be other places that make and market these. If anyone on this list does, or knows of a firm that does , could you = forward that info. to me ?? Either through this forum , or privately. = Thanks ! Steve North Coast Glassworks Tillamook, OR ncgw@juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 11:00:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:30:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RituMalik From: RituMalik To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: purchase a grinder Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:22:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar19.172236.0> Precedence: bulk would someone please let me know what kind of grinder should i buy? i have just started doing stained glass and dont want to buy anything very expensive and what is the approximate price of the grinders avaliable thanks in advance ritu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 11:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:34:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil From: Menil Alain To: glass@bungi.com, Carl Childers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Testing Once Again Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:32:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.19324.0> References: <<1998Mar19.4755.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Carl and others, same case for me. I'm using Netscape Communicator v.3. Carl Childers wrote: > > In response to the question about blank mail - this arrived thursday am. > Has no valid data other than the header info visible to me. I am using > Netscape Communicator v 4.04. Anybody else get a valid post? What are > you using as a mail reader?? > > croch@ibm.net wrote: > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Alain Mιnil from Le Mans, France mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 11:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:38:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Surplus site Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:35:18 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk i was just perusing http://www.sciplus.com and found some interesting stained glass stuff. of particular note is 3"x4" yellow/pink dichroic glass for $5.00 and nitrile gloves for $1.75. regards, --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 12:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:46:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: Carl Childers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Over the hill was -Re: Bio# Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:43:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.14332.0> References: <<1998Mar19.6034.0>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk Right on Carl ! The only scary part is looking in the mirror and seeing this "old person" looking back at you when you still feel young inside. Shiela Carl Childers wrote: > > Well I guess there are more boomers over here in the colonies. Myself and my > peers are in the same age group as you, and there are more of us than any > other demographic category. So we have decided that 'middle age' is at least > 20 years older than we are (now matter what age we are at any point in time). > > I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up. > It's never too late to have a happy childhood. > I can't be going through a second childhood, I'm not done with the first. > Toby wrote: > > > In case you are still trying to work it out, I am over 50, but less > > than 55. That's "Over The Hill" Over Here. > > . > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 12:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberus.ca!lick From: Carolyn Lick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Silvering - long and technical Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980319132359.0092aba0@cyberus.ca> Precedence: bulk >Here are the two processes for silvering. These are mainly used to plate onto glass, but can also be used for metals. If you plan on trying it, please remember to use all safety precautions when using the chemicals. And silver nitrate turns your skin brown, so be sure to use gloves. > >I have not used these since school, but our glass blower uses the Tozer process all the time. I am using a silvering process, but we are using Hydroquinone as a reducer. Similar to sugar, but it works faster. > >If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try and answer them. > >Carolyn > >____________________________ > > >Refined Silvering Process >W.H. Tozer > >Procedure: > >Made up solutions in 1 liter amounts. > >SOLUTION A 1 liter distilled water and 66.6 grams SILVER NITRATE >SOLUTION B 1 liter distilled water and 140 grams POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE >REDUCER 1 liter distilled water, 65 grams DEXTROSE, 175 mL ETHYL ALCOHOL > >Total Solution: >for 520 mL of solution you need 300 mL A, 100 mL B, 120 mL R >for 260 mL of solution you need 150 mL A, 50 mL B, 60 mL R >for 130 mL of solution you need 75 mL A, 25 mL B, 30 mL R >for 65 mL of solution you need 38 mL A, 13 mL B, 15 mL R >for 33 mL of solution you need 19 mL A, 7 mL B, 8 mL R >for 17 mL of solution you need 10 mL A, 3.5 mL B, 4 mL R > >Mixing of Solutions: > >All three solutions are to be chilled in ice water bath approximately 1/2 hour before using. This retards the reaction of the application. > >Pour out solutions A, B and R into separate graduated cylinders with correct amounts of solutions. > >All mixing containers as well as the piece to be silvered, must be clean and rinsed with distilled water. > >1. Pour solution A into beaker and add full strength ammonium hydroxide with a pipette, one drop at a time. This will form a dark brown precipitate; continue adding ammonia until it becomes clear again. Stir continuously with a glass rod while adding ammonia. > >2. Pour solution B into A and continue stirring while adding ammonia drop by drop until the solution just clears. > >3. Pour solution R which is the reducer into A and B mixture and stir for 10 seconds, then pour into vessel to be silvered. > >Leave solution in vessel for 10 minutes then pour spent solution into sink, rinse out silvered apparatus two times with tap water, two times with distilled water, and then rinse with a good grade of acetone. > >The solutions can be made up in advance and stored in brown glass bottles for an indefinite period. > >____________________________ > >Silvering Solution for the Brashear Process > >Three solutions are prepared in the following proportions: >A. 2 liters of distilled water, 50 grams of silver nitrate. >B. 2 liters of distilled water, 90 grams of potassium hydroxide. >C. 800 mL of distilled water, 80 grams cane sugar plus 100 mL of ethyl alcohol and 3.5 mL of nitric acid. > >Solution A should be kept in a dark place or in a dark bottle. Solution C should be aged at least 30 days before using. If it is to be used at once, boiling for 30 minutes will have the same effect as 30 days aging. > >The solutions are used in the proportions, A:B:C = 64%:32%:4% by volume. The solutions are prepared for use as follows: concentrated ammonium hydroxide is added to solution A, drop by drop, while vigorously shaking the flask until the precipitate, which first forms, completely disappears. To this is added half of the required amount of solution B causing a dark brown or black precipitate to form. If insufficient ammonium hydroxide is added before solution B is added, the precipitate will be a yellowish green. If this does occur, the solution should be discarded and the process started again. Ammonium hydroxide is added again, drop by drop, while shaking until the black precipitate is almost, but not completely, dissolved. Gradually the remaining half of solution B is added, while continuing to clarify the solution with ammonium hydroxide. The ammonium hydroxide should be added more slowly toward the last, since the reaction is slow and there is a danger of going past the end point. The final solution should not be completely clear; rather it should be a slightly cloudy solution which if allowed to stand for 30 minutes, will become clear except for a few black flakes which settle to the bottom. The solution may be used immediately or it may be allowed to stand for as long as an hour without affecting the results. > >After solutions A and B have been prepared by the addition of ammonia hydroxide, it is advantageous to cool them to at least 15 C. For strip silvering, a temperature of 10 to 12 C is recommended. The lower temperature allows time for decanting the solution into the vessel after the addition of solution C and before the actual plating out begins. > >Enough solution should be prepared to fill the vessel about two-thirds full. This solution may be decanted into the vessel, the required amount of solution C added, and the solution mixed by shaking. The vessel should be rolled or shaken during the entire plating process. The time required for the solution to react and deposit the silver depends on two factors: (1) the temperature of the solution (the lower the temperature, the slower the reaction); (2) the age of solution A (the older the solution, the slower the reaction). The time of completion of the silvering process can be determined by occasionally removing a little of the solution and noticing the character of the precipitate. When the solution becomes flocculent the silvering is completed and the solution should be removed to prevent the formation of a gray deposit or bloom. With practice, the condition of the solution inside the vessel can be determined by feel. When the solution is spent, the precipitate forms a heavy sludge that can actually be felt moving from one end of the vessel to the other as it is tilted end to end. > >If a heavy coat of silver is desired, a second coat may be desposited over the first after removing the spent solution. Brighter and thicker silver coatings may be obtained with a given amount of solution by silvering twice with half-strength solutions (obtained by diluting with distilled water) than can be obtained by silvering once with full-strength solution. > >After silvering is complete, the vessel is washed out and as much as possible of the sediment adhereing to the walls is removed by a vigorous shaking with the vessel half full of water. After a final rinse with distilled water and a rinse with methyl alcohol, the vessel is dried by alternating exhausting and filling with dry air. The pump used in this operation should be carefully trapped to avoid contaminating its oil with alcohol. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 12:44:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: "Carol J. Rochnowski" To: "Glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Just a Little More Patience Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:58:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.15842.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD531D.9B145580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here we go again. Do You Read Me??? Anyone??? thanks Namaste' Carol ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD531D.9B145580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here we go again.  Do You Read = Me???=20 Anyone??? thanks
Namaste'   =20 Carol
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD531D.9B145580-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 13:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: amenil@cybercable.tm.fr, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hiyas, all! :) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:23:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar19.192357.0> Precedence: bulk your English is just fine!!!! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 13:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: metal castings - catalog costs Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:34:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar19.193424.0> Precedence: bulk Hi - you'll ooooogle over the catalogs - especially the all color and finished products in new Warner one!!! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 14:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: croch@ibm.net To: "Glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: This Ole Computer Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:38:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.33830.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole computer this AM and wonder if I'm = being anything a blank page to you all. My friends will be happy to = assert that I am seldom anything like a blank page! Thanks for your = individual help. I surely hope I'm "Here" now.! =20 Namaste' Carol ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole = computer this=20 AM and wonder if I'm being anything a blank page to you all.   = My=20 friends will be happy to assert that I am seldom anything like a blank=20 page!  Thanks for your individual help.  I surely hope I'm=20 "Here" now.! 
Namaste'   =20 Carol
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 14:54:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Steve Matthies" Subject: Re: Rondels Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:34:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199803192026.PAA32080@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Question....I am looking for a source of these, preferably west coast. = > After doing an internet search, the only source I turned up was blenko. = > Surely the must be other places that make and market these. The only sources we show in the Sources Guide (at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm are Blenko and Lamberts. Blenko's in West Virginia, of course. Lamberts is in West Germany, but Bendeim (on the same page ... "B" ... as Blenko) might carry the Lamberts rondels. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 17:41:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Testing Once Again Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:01:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803192001.MAA11062@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 19 11:38:30 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil >From: Menil Alain >To: glass@bungi.com, Carl Childers >Subject: Re: Testing Once Again >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:32:04 +0100 >References: <<1998Mar19.4755.0>> >Precedence: bulk > Oh dear---Oh no, Will it happen to me? Hey I got Netscape 3 something and so far it's been good. Had some surfing troubles yesterday, but a friend gave me this little sheep that bounces around my screen and talks, and gets picked up by aliens, eats flowers, has a bath, actually dive bombs for the bath and burns up in the process. Then he or she has a buddy and the two of them get going!! I thought that was giving me my surfing troubles:) So I shut them off!! Maybe I was wrong?? Cindy@grin and bear it. PS just finished sandblasting a bronze mirror with a funny little fireman in the corner for the fire hall. Got to do my letter cutting....Forest Grove Fire Hall, know of any vinyl cutters for sale for my computer??? >Hi Carl and others, >same case for me. I'm using Netscape Communicator v.3. > >Carl Childers wrote: >>=20 >> In response to the question about blank mail - this arrived thursday am. >> Has no valid data other than the header info visible to me. I am using >> Netscape Communicator v 4.04. Anybody else get a valid post? What are >> you using as a mail reader?? >>=20 >> croch@ibm.net wrote: >>=20 >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >--=20 >Alain M=E9nil >from Le Mans, France >mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 17:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:16:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE:Re: First time Date: Thu Mar 19 13:14:56 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar19.232031gmt+0100.19585@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings, I am talking about the sort of lead came that can be used in construction of larger windows, or so I am lead to believe as I have never really seen it only just read about it. It looks like this: (excuse the primative graphics) Lead face ------------- | | Lead heart | *-|----------Hollow section inside came | | ------------- The idea is to incorporate the lead in your panel as you would a normal came (I guess you would want to use it without too many curves) and then slide a rigid steel bar of the correct dimensions into the hollow for extra strenght. As I said I have never used it but I think it would work a treat. What I have been able to get my hands on has been some came that has a thin piece of steel emmbeded into the heart of the lead and thus gives it strenght that way. I expect that it may cause a problem when I have to cut it as I do not have anything other than a standard lead knife to cut with. I've not had any replies to my own question about reinforcing the panel that I mentioned in that mail, so any pointers from anyone would be most welcome. Bye Peggy W. Johnsen: >Hi Mizzi: Can you tell us more about the hollow came. Not sure what you >are saying. Thanks. Peggy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:54:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:53:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar19.205321.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, you write: << I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> Okay Daniel, now you got me on this one! What is SG guilt? What is there to feel guilty about? Sorry, don't mean to be so dense..... Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:35:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "Carol J. Rochnowski" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Just a Little More Patience Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.114118.0> References: <<1998Mar19.15842.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk this also came in blank Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:50:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Surplus site Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.54854.0> Precedence: bulk Charles, I've actually been this place. I went several years ago (before my interest in glass) when I was visiting some friends in Chicago. We spent hours in the store. Very fun. Thanks for the pointer. L. Spangler On Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:35 PM, Charles Spitzer [SMTP:charlie@az.stratus.com] wrote: > i was just perusing http://www.sciplus.com and found some interesting stained > glass stuff. > > of particular note is 3"x4" yellow/pink dichroic glass for $5.00 and nitrile > gloves for $1.75. > > regards, > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: croch@ibm.net, "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: This Ole Computer Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:29:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980319162944.00840e30@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Mar19.33830.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm seeing your messages more-or-less okay, Carol, but the problem may be because they are being sent in HTML format and not plain ol' text format - that may be why many people aren't seeing anything because their e-mail may not support HTML messages. Mine sort of does - I don't get all the fancy stuff (like different fonts or colors or such), just a bunch of gobbledy-gooky techie code stuff with your message in the middle. You might want to check your e-mail program to see if you can turn off the HTML e-mail format. Steph ~ (My apologies for sending her whole message back to the list, but maybe it will come out the way I'm seeing it and not in real HTML format again.....) At 11:38 AM 3/19/98 -0800, croch@ibm.net wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole computer this AM and wonder if I'm = >being anything a blank page to you all. My friends will be happy to = >assert that I am seldom anything like a blank page! Thanks for your = >individual help. I surely hope I'm "Here" now.! =20 >Namaste' Carol > >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole = >computer this=20 >AM and wonder if I'm being anything a blank page to you all.   = >My=20 >friends will be happy to assert that I am seldom anything like a blank=20 >page!  Thanks for your individual help.  I surely hope I'm=20 >"Here" now.! 
>
Namaste'   =20 >Carol
> >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!croch From: "Carol J. Rochnowski" To: "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Am I Here Now? Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:31:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.6313.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians - You are being so patient with my computer illiteracy. Am I here Now for you? If so, thank Charles! BUT also let me know, too. I will go back to quietly lurking if everyone can finally "read me" - thanks again. Namaste' Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:36:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: RituMalik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: purchase a grinder Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.123738.0> References: <<1998Mar19.172236.0>> Precedence: bulk RituMalik wrote: > > would someone please let me know what kind of grinder should i buy? i > have just started doing stained glass and dont want to buy anything very > expensive and what is the approximate price of the grinders avaliable > > thanks in advance > ritu > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass a good grinder should be around $80-$150 i like Inland, though other's like Glasstar. as long as you keep the tip wet, you really should'nt have a problem with either. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 18:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:44:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:42:25 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just to let you all know the show in Vegas was wonderful! I took the lead classes with Tommy 'G'...he's great! Also several stepping stone/mosaic classes were helpful. Hope to meet more of you there next year. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 19:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Long distance retailers Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:03:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.12357.0> Precedence: bulk For the sake of the newcomers and those not aware.......Lately there have been various posts from folks who don't live near a local retailer. There is something available called "The Big Book". Published by Creative Craftsmen Co., Naperville, Il 60563. It lists (almost) every stained and art glass supply made. I find this a handy referral source when I want to call my retailer to see if he has the item in stock. I think I paid $5.00 (US) for it. ( oh yes, another five dollar item!) I purchased it from my retail store the last time I made the trip. They publish a new issue once a year. Sue (I am not affiliated with the publication or any retailer) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 19:18:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Surplus site Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.143816.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hi Charles, Thanks for posting this. My husband and I enjoyed looking at the site and have book marked it. Right up our alley. One (maybe dumb?) question. Is dichroic glass used for anything besides fusing? Wouldn't you have to test for compatability to use it? (I just took a fusing class, so I'm just learning about all this.) Jerri On Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:35:18 -0700 Charles Spitzer writes: >i was just perusing http://www.sciplus.com and found some interesting >stained >glass stuff. > >of particular note is 3"x4" yellow/pink dichroic glass for $5.00 and >nitrile >gloves for $1.75. > >regards, >--- >Charles Spitzer >charlie@az.stratus.com >Phoenix, AZ >---- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 19:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: This Ole Computer Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 20:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199803200137.UAA09792@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Carol, Not only are you "Here Now," you are "Here Now Twice, in Two Different Forms." Namaste, Suzanne >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole computer this AM and wonder if I'm = >being anything a blank page to you all. My friends will be happy to = >assert that I am seldom anything like a blank page! Thanks for your = >individual help. I surely hope I'm "Here" now.! =20 >Namaste' Carol > >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
OK Bungi - I've worked on this ole = >computer this=20 >AM and wonder if I'm being anything a blank page to you all.   = >My=20 >friends will be happy to assert that I am seldom anything like a blank=20 >page!  Thanks for your individual help.  I surely hope I'm=20 >"Here" now.! 
>
Namaste'   =20 >Carol
> >------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD532B.8C40D480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 20:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:13:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Over the hill was -Re: Bio# Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:36:15 -0600 Message-ID: <199803192133.PAA08115@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >The only scary part is looking in the mirror and seeing this "old >person" looking back at you when you still feel young inside. Yeah......... If I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 20:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:07:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Rondels Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:04:18 -0600 Message-ID: <199803200202.UAA10597@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >Question....I am looking for a source of these, preferably west coast. = >After doing an internet search, the only source I turned up was blenko. = >Surely the must be other places that make and market these. Steve, Depending on how many, what size and colors you are after. you might try a hot glass shop in your area and ask if they will spin some for you. Great fun to watch ......more fun to do Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 20:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:14:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Testing Once Again Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:15:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.10159.0> References: <<199803192001.MAA11062@freya.vphos.net>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk I have the same sheep and so far have no system problems, so don't think they are your problem. Shiela Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 19 11:38:30 1998 > >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com > >X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil > >From: Menil Alain > >To: glass@bungi.com, Carl Childers > >Subject: Re: Testing Once Again > >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:32:04 +0100 > >References: <<1998Mar19.4755.0>> > >Precedence: bulk > > > Oh dear---Oh no, > Will it happen to me? Hey I got Netscape 3 something and so far it's been > good. Had some surfing troubles yesterday, but a friend gave me this little > sheep that bounces around my screen and talks, and gets picked up by aliens, > eats flowers, has a bath, actually dive bombs for the bath and burns up in > the process. Then he or she has a buddy and the two of them get going!! I > thought that was giving me my surfing troubles:) So I shut them off!! Maybe > I was wrong?? > Cindy@grin and bear it. > PS just finished sandblasting a bronze mirror with a funny little fireman in > the corner for the fire hall. Got to do my letter cutting....Forest Grove > Fire Hall, know of any vinyl cutters for sale for my computer??? > > >Hi Carl and others, > >same case for me. I'm using Netscape Communicator v.3. > > > >Carl Childers wrote: > >>=20 > >> In response to the question about blank mail - this arrived thursday am. > >> Has no valid data other than the header info visible to me. I am using > >> Netscape Communicator v 4.04. Anybody else get a valid post? What are > >> you using as a mail reader?? > >>=20 > >> croch@ibm.net wrote: > >>=20 > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >--=20 > >Alain M=E9nil > >from Le Mans, France > >mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 20:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:12:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com (Caren J Price) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe (temporarily) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:06:48 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.3648.0> Precedence: bulk My computer is ready to go into harddrive failure, so I am sending it out for repair. Please take me off the list until further notice. Thanks, Caren (I'm going to have glass withdrawal:-( I may not write much but I read everyday! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 22:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:38:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: This Ole Computer Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:31:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.173146.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980319162944.00840e30@glasstreasures.com>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk This is interesting, now I got the original post in this reply. I can read HTLM, cuz I always get Tory's animation on her sig files. I wonder if there is somthing odd about the sending setup?? Stephanie Hansen wrote: > I'm seeing your messages more-or-less okay, Carol, but the problem may be > because they are being sent in HTML format and not plain ol' text format - > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 22:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:33:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: purchase a grinder Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:34:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.153421.0> Precedence: bulk My 1st grinder I bought 3 years ago still doe a great job.. Its a Glastar Superstar 2... Goes for about $99 retail... I also Use an Inland Twin spin ... Either brand will do a good job for you... Byron... -----Original Message----- From: RituMalik To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:14 AM Subject: purchase a grinder > would someone please let me know what kind of grinder should i buy? i >have just started doing stained glass and dont want to buy anything very >expensive and what is the approximate price of the grinders avaliable > >thanks in advance >ritu >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 23:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:58:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:53:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980320045304.00672c74@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Do you suppose that the instructor meant Guild ?? Linda At 03:53 PM 19/3/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: > ><< I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> > > >In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, you write: > ><< I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> > > >Okay Daniel, now you got me on this one! What is SG guilt? What is there to >feel guilty about? Sorry, don't mean to be so dense..... > >Susie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 23:05:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:32:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 23:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199803200431.XAA21470@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: > ><< I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> Susie wrote: >Okay Daniel, now you got me on this one! What is SG guilt? What is there to >feel guilty about? Sorry, don't mean to be so dense..... Hey Susie, I think he meant "guild." The ONE thing in this life I NEVER EVER feel guilty about is stained glass! Suzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 23:18:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:05:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199803200505.AAA00445@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar19.205321.0>> Precedence: bulk SusieHUs twistes the bytes to say: SusieHUs> Okay Daniel, now you got me on this one! What is SG guilt? What is there to SusieHUs> feel guilty about? Sorry, don't mean to be so dense..... Hi Sussie, Ahhhh... so many years trying to master Shakespeare's language and I am still writing like a elementary school pupil. What I meant to say was guild, not guilt. I have given up learning other languages --what is the point of climbing the "learning cliff" of a new tonge if after hundreds of hours of learning I'll be only able to ask for scrambled eggs and stare helpless to the waitress when she asks me a non decipherable question such as "do you want gravy on your fries?" It is better --IMHO-- to improve my English than to badly learn 3 languages. Nonetheless I still make silly mistakes. I particularly dislike English, but it is pervasive and ubiquitous. I have no option but to affront it. As this list becomes more cosmopolite the English of some of its members --me included-- will leave plenty to be desired. Please, bear with us. We are making an afford. This reminds me one of those days in which I was learning English in order to prepare myself for the proficiency exams I had to pass to be able to attend grad school in the US and Canada. "What's your name?" --My instructor ask me. "I name Daniel", I replied. He started laughing. "You speak like an apache" was his response. In order to be politically correct I rather say today: I speak like I had the brain of a boy 10 years old. Happy glass work! -- Daniel M. German "And ye shall know the truth, John 8:32 -> and the truth shall make you free." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 23:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:12:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: "Carol J. Rochnowski" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Am I Here Now? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:07:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar12.17759.0> References: <<1998Mar19.6313.0>> Precedence: bulk Not so fast Carol. Now that you have popped up head up how about a bio. You know the drill; informal, how did you get into SG etc. Send it to me please. Patrick The Head Nag Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: > Dear Bungians - You are being so patient with my computer illiteracy. Am I > here Now for you? If so, thank Charles! BUT also let me know, too. I > will go back to quietly lurking if everyone can finally "read me" - thanks > again. > Namaste' Carol > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 19 23:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:13:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, frank.g.mizzi@magnet.mt Subject: RE:Re: First time (reinforced lead) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:08:17, -0500 Message-ID: <199803200608.BAA14556@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Peggy, S. A. Bendheim Co., Inc., in Passaic, NJ (800 221-7379) lists steel reinforced lead with a fixed and a removable strip. This lead is not intended to be bent to any degree. A fine (32 teeth per inch) hacksaw will cut it well. The lead knife is useless for this task. On a more practical note I use Cascade reinforced lead. It has a brass strip in the heart, bends well and cuts well with lead diagonal pliers. Said to be about five times as strong as ordinary lead. Any window I construct that has a dimension over 24" is likely to use at least some of this reinforced lead. Have come across old windows that had a strip of steel just layed against the heart of the lead. Have not seen this product offered for sale. Better to strong than to weak, Bob Peggy wrote: Message-ID: <98Mar19.232031gmt+0100.19585@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings, I am talking about the sort of lead came that can be used in construction of larger windows, or so I am lead to believe as I have never really seen it only just read about it. It looks like this: (excuse the primative graphics) Lead face ------------- | | Lead heart | *-|----------Hollow section inside came | | ------------- The idea is to incorporate the lead in your panel as you would a normal came (I guess you would want to use it without too many curves) and then slide a rigid steel bar of the correct dimensions into the hollow for extra strenght. As I said I have never used it but I think it would work a treat. What I have been able to get my hands on has been some came that has a thin piece of steel emmbeded into the heart of the lead and thus gives it strenght that way. I expect that it may cause a problem when I have to cut it as I do not have anything other than a standard lead knife to cut with. I've not had any replies to my own question about reinforcing the panel that I mentioned in that mail, so any pointers from anyone would be most welcome. Bye Peggy W. Johnsen ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 02:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) Subject: Re: Surplus site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:37:19 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > One (maybe dumb?) question. Is dichroic glass used for anything > besides fusing? Wouldn't you have to test for compatability to use it? > (I just took a fusing class, so I'm just learning about all this.) Dichroic glass has been coopted by the arts community. It was originally designed for copier technology, as I understand it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 04:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:36:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: dichroic Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:36:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.10361.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 05:32:27 EST, you write: << << Is dichroic glass used for anything > besides fusing? >> If used selectively it is quite effective as the eye of a wizard, fish gills, a crystal ball, etc.... A little goes a long way. Lu Ann >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 04:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:17:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: restrictors,ladders, and jigs (reely) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar19.19102.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German [SMTP:dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 7:11 AM To: Glenn Spicer Subject: RE: Your first lamp! A restrictor? A ladder? a jig? I glued two strips of wood along each edge of a copy of my pattern. I think this "device" will qualify as a jig. >>not!! this device will qualify as a restrictor (i.e. it "restricts" the pieces to a set space) My problem I is that I am still not very accurate in my glass cutting. Sometimes the pieces fit perfectly, sometimes they don't. >>If you are cutting multiples of identical quadrilaterals, trapeziums, or trapezoids (or for a mater of fact many straight sided shapes) a "cutting jig" comes in handy to ensure that each piece is the same with nice straight edges. They are easily made with a board(say 2'x2'), a wooden yardstick cut and fixed along one edge, and another wooden yard stick cut to the width of the board and bolted with a wing nut through the ruler on the edge so that it pivots. Fix an inch section of the ruler to the underside of the far end of the pivoting ruler to act as a spacer. Use a clamp or vice grips to hold the end of the pivoting ruler to fix it at whatever angle you want to cut at, and now you can be a mini production line. Very handy in ladder lamps, boxes, simple panel lamps, etc. a ladder? -- Daniel M. German >>a ladder is one section (like a slice o' pie)of a dome lamp, that is composed of a number of pieces that look like a tapering ladder. With a profile and some "simple" pi (3.14 etc.) geometry you can make just about shape of lamp, and then assemble it using the "igloo style" of building, the worden sectional form (or a bed made from the profile), or a full form in the round (of wood, foam, or plastic). This kind of cutting is where the jig comes in handy! Also an even simpler "jig" of just 1/4" thick wood cut in strips that are the width of the glass you need (minus the width of the shoulder of your cutter) and 1' to 3' long. Great for boxes and easy to use in conjunction with the aforementioned cutting jig. >>I get an eerie premonition that this is only going top raise more questions, I'm psychic maybe? Howard this is more your field I would think? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 06:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:33:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: len alcamo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Rondels Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:34:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.13416.0> References: <<199803200202.UAA10597@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > >Question....I am looking for a source of these, preferably west coast. = > >After doing an internet search, the only source I turned up was blenko. = > >Surely the must be other places that make and market these. > > Steve, > > Depending on how many, what size and colors you are after. you might try a > hot glass shop in your area and ask if they will spin some for you. > Great fun to watch ......more fun to do > > Len > I'd love to see rondels spun, too. But, just thought I'd offer up that, I have seen some artists use wine glass or goblet bases as "make shift" rondels. If you break one off, be sure to polish it out so it's not so obvious were the stem was. Some of the expensive goblet bases have some nice ground out facets that do interesting things with light. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 07:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:28:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE:Re: First time Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.42554.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" >What I have been able to get my hands on has been some came that has a thin = piece of steel emmbeded into the heart of the lead and thus gives it strenght = that way. I expect that it may cause a problem when I have to cut it as = I do = not have anything other than a standard lead knife to cut with.< It may pay to get yourself a Griffon chop saw. Slices through metal came wonderfully. I've used it on zinc and will soon be using it on brass. It's expensive, but worth it IMHO. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 08:25:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:46:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:43:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.144351.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 02:18:25 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << In order to be politically correct I rather say today: I speak like I had the brain of a boy 10 years old. >> No Daniel, you don't! I did not realize that English was not your native language from your other post and I sincerely never thought of the word "guild" there or I would not have asked about it. Your English is wonderful. I'M the one who didn't get it! Thank you for your kind response to my question. I didn't ask it to point out your mistake, contrary to what a few people evidently think. If I was in the habit of correcting spelling on this list, I could have a field day with lots of people but I don't do that and it would have been nice to have been given the benefit of the doubt on that. It was certainly not my intention to embarrass you - I simply wanted to understand what you were saying and I do appreciate your taking the time to explain it to me, dense as I can be at times! And thank you to the others who also responded with kindness! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 08:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:26:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Surplus site Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.51525.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > One (maybe dumb?) question. Is dichroic glass used for anything > > besides fusing? Wouldn't you have to test for compatability to use it? > > (I just took a fusing class, so I'm just learning about all this.) > > Dichroic glass has been coopted by the arts community. It was > originally designed for copier technology, as I understand it. > > Albert > > ---- it was either that or NASA app's. telescopes use it to seperate ultra violet from infrared rays. camera's use it to do what ever it does. it's used for anything where you would need to look through an object or have it bounce off at the same time. in the case of the telescope, ultraviolet rays would pass through the glass. the infrared part of the spectrum would be diverted. in another use i once saw a real old building, 100 years or so. and they had a yellow/purple glass. at the time the tour guide said she did'nt know how they made it. inside the building the glass was a purple color. outside it reflected yellow. i'm not sure how they made it back then since i'm not sure if they knew how to use a photonbeam... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 11:05:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:16:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Surplus site Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.5818.0> References: <<3512856B.88B@nac.net>> Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > Hi Charles, > > Thanks for posting this. My husband and I enjoyed looking at the > site and have book marked it. Right up our alley. > > One (maybe dumb?) question. Is dichroic glass used for anything > besides fusing? Wouldn't you have to test for compatability to use it? > (I just took a fusing class, so I'm just learning about all this.) > > Jerri > i'm pesonally not into fusing that much, though i've used dichro before. in one use (though so far the only use), i backed a gem with it. then put a piece of mirror behind that, and the result is awsome. and alot cheaper then an actual dichro gem. go to this site: http://kroma.com/ they have windows made of just dichroic glass. and i even heard that someone made a giagantic dichroic window for some airport. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 11:33:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: 'bungians' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.02048.0> References: <<199803200431.XAA21470@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk But we are all "guildy" by association! suzy@comcat.com wrote: > >In a message dated 98-03-19 12:35:17 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: > > > ><< I had being welcomed to the SG guilt. >> > > Susie wrote: > >Okay Daniel, now you got me on this one! What is SG guilt? What is there to > >feel guilty about? Sorry, don't mean to be so dense..... > > Hey Susie, I think he meant "guild." > > The ONE thing in this life I NEVER EVER feel guilty about is stained > glass! > > Suzy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 11:36:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: 'bungians' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: That was a ... Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.0204.0> Precedence: bulk EElisabeth (with an Ess!) that...was a pretty interesting Bio! I'm envios. Don't look for mine I'm too busy in this world with the wrong stuff. Melissa. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 11:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:36:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:36:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.53631.0> Precedence: bulk A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them. He's trying to think of something very simple/very few pieces and with foil. The only thing I could come up with was maybe balloons (say 3 balloons) so each child could actually cut the glass, grind, and foil. He said he's going to do the soldering. Does anyone have any other "simple" ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 12:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:00:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Glenn Spicer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: restrictors,ladders, and jigs (reely) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:53:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.25326.0> Precedence: bulk Easy enough to make a jig, but if one (jig) is used a LOT, the Morton is very versatile and easy to set and move in very small increments, and close to indestructible. As I said privately, if I have more than 3 pieces with straight sides to cut, that should be the same, I set up a jig. The TIME you waste trying to replicate accurate straight cuts and fit a multi-piece pattern, whether it be a border row, a panel lamp shade, a box or whatever by hand cutting is regained by the use of jig. As for the terms "restrictors and ladders" lots of applications which DOES include glass argot, but does not readily associate (in my mind) with what you are trying to communicate. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 13:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:55:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.75554.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Fellow Stained Glassaholics, My son is career Navy and has been stationed in Japan for the last six years. He does a lot beach combing and has collected a MANY glass fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale green but a few browns, blues and purples. Can anyone come up with a way to use them in a stained glass project?. Could foil tape be used around the center and then soldered into a hole in the glass. That doesn't sound very clear, but maybe you can understand what I mean. TIA Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 14:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:57:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: heat checking by design Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:57:46 -0600 Message-ID: <199803202056.OAA08182@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk glassfolks, I am in the final design stages for a door lite for my own home. Yippee! I have decided to incorporate an elaborate *piece intensive* multi -coursed border into the design. Some of the main design will flow out and be superimposed over the border.... a design device that I have used in the past with good results. I like the look of the added depth. Anyway, what I plan to do is have the outermost border a bright detailed small piece geometric, and the inner just a narrow, dark , single color strip border. In between I want a random organic looking style (to complement the strong organic oriental elements in the main motif.) Something like a crackle. I am trying to create the illusion of an ornate stepped frame. I have experimented by heating 3/4 inch wide strips of thin antique with a propane torch and then spritzing them with a spray bottle containing water and also spraying the glass with water then heating with the torch. The results are some interesting heat checking. I then foil the pieces back together being careful not to foil all the way to the edge. Since I am not able compensate for the foil thickness when I reassemble the sections, I can grind the edges flush again without running over the foil and solder and the unfoiled gaps will be hidden under the came. The heat check cracks take on attractive twists and turns that would be impossible to duplicate with a glass cutter. Looks good to me. Has anyone worked with anything similiar to this *accident art* technique? I guess my only real concern is the stability of the glass after being exposed to this type of stress. I tried using thicker glass but the resultent checking patterns were not as convoluted and sort of defeated the purpose. If I use too much heat on the thick pieces the glass just shatters. Thanks Len **** Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ **** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 15:17:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: borealis@goldengate.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:44:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.214427.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 14:55:54 EST, borealis@goldengate.net writes: << Does anyone have any other "simple" ideas that he could use? >> What about a small 3-piece sailboat....mostly straight lines with one slight curve? If time permitted a small triangle could be added to the top for the flag. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 15:35:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:05:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: fibers@wcnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:04:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.22419.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 16:38:55 EST, fibers@wcnet.net writes: << MANY glass fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale green but a few browns, blues and purples. >> Are these what I might know as a fishing bobber? If not, could someone tell me what they are please? Thanks! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 15:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 17:07:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199803202205.RAA01464@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Nelda wrote: >My son is career Navy and has been stationed in Japan for the last six >years. He does a lot beach combing and has collected a MANY glass >fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale >green but a few browns, blues and purples. > >Can anyone come up with a way to use them in a stained glass project?. >Could foil tape be used around the center and then soldered into a hole >in the glass. Suzanne sezs: Sounds interesting. I don't see why not. I've soldered marbles and agates into pieces that way. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 16:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Northernlights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:17:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.121710.0> References: <<1998Mar20.53631.0>> Precedence: bulk Northernlights wrote: > > A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small > group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group > will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them. He's > trying to think of something very simple/very few pieces and with foil. > The only thing I could come up with was maybe balloons (say 3 balloons) > so each child could actually cut the glass, grind, and foil. He said > he's going to do the soldering. Does anyone have any other "simple" > ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would start with something that has straight lines. like a very basic quilt pattern. otherwise they may get frustrated cutting. i would also use spectrum glass -- for the easiest cutting. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 16:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:00:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Artglaswks From: Artglaswks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Note Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:58:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar20.22580.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list. I will be back in touch soon. Enjoy bungi, many thanks. K.L. Winter-Schulz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 16:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:35:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "fibers" , "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:35:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.63540.0> Precedence: bulk My cup of tea, Over the years I have turned floats into lamp bases for glass shades. Easy to drill the first hole in the float WEAR goggles (eye protection) and gloves. Floats are vacuumed. Drop a line in the hole with a small weight. Note where it hits and use that for the OTHER hole. A pipe 3/8 threaded is run through the float for the electrical stuff needed to make the shade light when a socket and bulb and electricity are working in unison. I make a glass (12 to 16 pieces) cylinder for the float to nestle in. The diameter of the cylinder is keyed to the diameter of the metal stand I have/get...some of the stands (bases) have a hole set for a base light, so that can be lit as well. People will spend a lot of money to make their find of a float memorable. As an aside I live on the beach and over the years 19+, I have NEVER found a float. I have hunted all times and tides and seasons, I have seen my buddy go to the beach, walk into the weeds to relieve himself, and find floats in the grass. Another friend used to walk around 6 pm most days and has a VERY large collection of floats. Some is meant to have, others not! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 16:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:27:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199803202332.XAA19379@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, My attitude is that you can use virtually anything in a stained glass creation. I have even used bits of stone and masonry. I have even used bit of mortar from the Berlin Wall In the late 80's I visited a small island off the coast of China. The entire beach was covered almost knee-deep in glass nodules, warn round and smooth by the sea over many years. The glass originated basically from glass objects and broken glass bottles thrown overboard by passing ships. You could collect these wonderful polished glass pieces by the shovel-ful. I added to the extra excess baggage of my suit case on the flight back to UK of a couple of shovel fuls of this wonderful beach find. A small handful of these pieces have since travelled to USA with friends who saw them, handled them and wanted to do something with them. Let your imagination go. You can foil them, you can lead them; use them in a stained glass creation. No problem.... If you use them, design around them Just enjoy! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Nelda wrote: Dear Fellow Stained Glassaholics, My son is career Navy and has been stationed in Japan for the last six years. He does a lot beach combing and has collected a MANY glass fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale green but a few browns, blues and purples. Can anyone come up with a way to use them in a stained glass project?. Could foil tape be used around the center and then soldered into a hole in the glass. That doesn't sound very clear, but maybe you can understand what I mean. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 17:12:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:39:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE:Re: First time Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, I've only seen the lead with the steel already inside the heart...I don't see how the hollow heart that you slide steel into would work very well. You would have to cut the steel either way, though...just use a hacksaw. Good Luck Sarah >Greetings, > >I am talking about the sort of lead came that can be used in construction of >larger windows, or so I am lead to believe as I have never really seen it only >just read about it. It looks like this: (excuse the primative graphics) > > Lead face ------------- > | | > Lead heart | *-|----------Hollow section inside came > | | > ------------- > The idea is to incorporate the lead in your panel as you would a normal came >(I guess you would want to use it without too many curves) and then slide a >rigid steel bar of the correct dimensions into the hollow for extra strenght. > >As I said I have never used it but I think it would work a treat. > >What I have been able to get my hands on has been some came that has a thin >piece of steel emmbeded into the heart of the lead and thus gives it strenght >that way. I expect that it may cause a problem when I have to cut it as I do >not have anything other than a standard lead knife to cut with. > >I've not had any replies to my own question about reinforcing the panel that I >mentioned in that mail, so any pointers from anyone would be most welcome. > >Bye > >Peggy W. Johnsen: >>Hi Mizzi: Can you tell us more about the hollow came. Not sure what you >>are saying. Thanks. Peggy >> >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 17:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:46:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 17:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199803202210.RAA01958@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk You asked about suggestions for a small project for children: I have made "fish" out of just two pieces of glass - if you've ever seen the Christian fish symbol you will know what I mean. He could paint an eye on the larger piece, solder a hook to it and it's ready to go! Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 17:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:20:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:23:12 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk If he's doing the soldering, maybe they could do some little boxes, or just the tops of the boxes... I have found that mosaics are also great for kids. They can build their own pictures from scraps (or cut and grind them) and then glue them to a piece of clear glass and grout in between. The mosaic also won't contain any lead... Sarah >A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small >group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group >will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them. He's >trying to think of something very simple/very few pieces and with foil. > The only thing I could come up with was maybe balloons (say 3 balloons) >so each child could actually cut the glass, grind, and foil. He said >he's going to do the soldering. Does anyone have any other "simple" >ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 17:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:27:17 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, The glass that's used in these floats is incredibly thick, so you can actually grind a groove into them, apply some foil or wire, and then solder. This is better than just putting foil around the outside perimeter at the widest point since then it could pop out. Good luck Sarah >Dear Fellow Stained Glassaholics, >My son is career Navy and has been stationed in Japan for the last six >years. He does a lot beach combing and has collected a MANY glass >fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale >green but a few browns, blues and purples. > >Can anyone come up with a way to use them in a stained glass project?. >Could foil tape be used around the center and then soldered into a hole >in the glass. That doesn't sound very clear, but maybe you can >understand what I mean. >TIA >Nelda > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 18:27:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:21:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:11:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.131150.0> Precedence: bulk Howard, Can you give more instructions for drilling holes in the floats? I'm kinda new at this glass business> TIA Nelda FYI: the fishing floats are glass balls, usually encased in a net and attatched to tail of fishing nets. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 20:28:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:07:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: irridized glue chip Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:04:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.343.0> Precedence: bulk I have a customer who wants a window done in bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of the very outside border being irridized glue chip. have any of you worked with this? I have tried to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended regular. Any advice? Thanks Laurean Eph. 4:32 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 21:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:34:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: simple project Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:34:26 -0800 Message-ID: <199803210334.TAA03800@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small >group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group >will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them. He's >trying to think of something very simple/very few pieces and with foil. > The only thing I could come up with was maybe balloons (say 3 balloons) >so each child could actually cut the glass, grind, and foil. He said >he's going to do the soldering. Does anyone have any other "simple" >ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! I've developed a kid proof technique for introducing them to glass. Take a box of glass scraps of various colours, have each kid bring a picture frame and piece of glass, then let them fly at it with epoxy glue. I've done this with "kids" of all ages and they have so much fun they always want to do more. I've also adapted this technique to do 1 hr Christmas ornaments using 4" round bevels as the backdrop. Using this technique the kids don't learn to cut, but they do learn to foil by putting a foil border on their glass or bevel, they enjoy the colours and textures of glass, and most importantly USE their imaginations. This is a pretty positive way to make sure kids' first introduction to glass is positive and fun...the positive reinforcement of completing a piece first time out seems to whet their enthusiasm for more. There's also NO lead exposure and it uses up some of your glass scraps. I also do this only with kids 11 and over, since younger kids tend to get the epoxy glue everywhere. Make sure you have some moist towelettes handy for everyone anyway. And I've found LePages 2 part epoxy glue dries clearest. Make sure the kids have fun no matter what you choose to do. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 21:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:21:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "fibers" , "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: hole drilling Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:21:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.122137.0> Precedence: bulk A .25" diamond stud drill to go on the top of the shaft on your grinder. (standard equipment for glass work) and compatible with all shaft glass grinders You need to have a wet sponge or someone squirt water on the drill as you gently apply the float to the stud. AGAIN.....use safety equipment (your safety) goggles and heavy gloves just in case the float implodes....has not happened to me, yet. It will make a hole and probably "hiss" as you break the vacuum.] Enlarge the hole to about 3/8"...standard lamp pipe and fully compatible for wiring and accessories. A string and a small weight will allow gravity to find the opposite place to drill the exit hole. Enlarge this one as well. If you have to couple the pipe to make it long enough to go through the float, make at least one of the holes large enough to accommodate the coupler. Most to all of the electrical can be found in a well stocked lamp/repair or hardware store. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 22:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:41:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: fibers , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass fishing floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.183343.0> References: <<1998Mar20.75554.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > Dear Fellow Stained Glassaholics, > My son is career Navy and has been stationed in Japan for the last six > years. He does a lot beach combing and has collected a MANY glass > fishing floats. They range in size from 3" to 38" in dia, mostly pale > green but a few browns, blues and purples. > > Can anyone come up with a way to use them in a stained glass project?. > Could foil tape be used around the center and then soldered into a hole > in the glass. That doesn't sound very clear, but maybe you can > understand what I mean. > TIA > Nelda > I've always told my students..."if you can think of a way to foil and solder an object....whether it be a an agate, seashell, stone, etc....go for it....the only limit to this medium is your own imagination". So go for it Nelda....you may have to grind the outside edges down. I've seen a lamp shade made up of nothing but translucent stones picked up off a beach in Maine....looked wonderful....but heavy as anything!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 22:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: fibers@wcnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass floats Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:41:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.44126.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 21:27:39 EST, fibers@wcnet.net writes: << the fishing floats are glass balls, usually encased in a net and attatched to tail of fishing nets. >> Thanks for the info.... I realized after reading Howard's post I was WAY off thinking it was a bobber (laughing at self). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 22:49:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:19:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: simple project Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:13:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.51329.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 14:55:54 EST, you write: << Does anyone have any other "simple" ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! >> My husband's first lesson was an apple (2 pieces) and 1leaf. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 23:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:05:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: Laurean E Clover , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2658E531AFDEE897E155604A" Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar20.185756.0> References: <<1998Mar21.343.0>> Precedence: bulk --------------2658E531AFDEE897E155604A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurean E Clover wrote: > I have a customer who wants a window done in > bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of > the very outside border being irridized glue chip. > have any of you worked with this? I have tried > to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. > In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended > regular. Any advice? Thanks > > Laurean > Eph. 4:32 > > Lauren......the customer is always right.....I find you can suggest....but the bottom line is that it is their choice. I once had a customer who chose 7 different colors in a panel no more than 2'x4'...yellow/purple/red/white/turquoise/pink....can't remember the other. It hurt my eyes working on it, but they loved it! Btw, working with irridized glue chip is no different than working with all the other glue chips. Karina --------------2658E531AFDEE897E155604A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Laurean E Clover wrote:

I have a customer who wants a window done in
bevels and clear glue chip.  They are thinking of
the very outside border being irridized glue chip.
have any of you worked with this?  I have tried
to talk them into some color, but they don't want it.
In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended
regular. Any advice? Thanks

Laurean
Eph. 4:32
 
 

 Lauren......the customer is always right.....I find you can suggest....but the bottom line is that it is their choice. I once had a customer who chose 7 different colors in a panel no more than 2'x4'...yellow/purple/red/white/turquoise/pink....can't remember the other. It hurt my eyes working on it, but they loved it! Btw, working with irridized glue chip is no different than working with all the other glue chips.

Karina --------------2658E531AFDEE897E155604A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 23:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:07:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 98 00:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199803210506.AAA25689@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Laurean writes: >I have a customer who wants a window done in >bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of >the very outside border being irridized glue chip. >have any of you worked with this? I have tried >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >regular. Any advice? Thanks Hi Laurean, My advice: Give them what they want! (s) I have worked with the iridized glue chip, and IMHO it looks better with the iridized side on the back. That tones it down a bit but you can still see the iridization (word?). Somewhat of a compromise. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 20 23:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:58:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, vlclover@juno.com Subject: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:54:57, -0500 Message-ID: <199803210554.AAA18642@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >I have a customer who wants a window done in >bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of >the very outside border being irridized glue chip. >have any of you worked with this? I have tried >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I recommend >regular. Any advice? Thanks >Laurean Ah, let them have the irridized glue chip. At least it is some color as both you and I would like. I know that Hollanders in Los Angeles has it. It cuts and handles just like plain glue chip. Bob Ps: Of course, you could state that you would not be able to sign the window if the irrd is used. That should get them on your side in a hurry.:) ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 00:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:41:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Albert's resume Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:17:49 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Oh, okay ... an announcement about my new job at the College of Fine Art and Glass in Switzerland was just posted to What's New at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ ... so if you really want to see my unlovely mug and click through it to my resume, you can do that. Or you can do something more useful ... like draw another pattern. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 03:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 02:56:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: simple project Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:55:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.105525.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungies, In reference to a simple project for kids, seaspray wrote: "Let each kid bring a picture frame and fly with it" (working with scraps, making a mosaic). How about pulling out a poloroid camera and taking a picture of each child then positioning it in the center of the mosaic they will be making? Better yet, you could mark off a portion of the frame for the photo, then insert (glue, whatever) the photo after the "dirty work is done". Both parents and kids should love this idea. Lenore P.S.-Please get back to us and let us know what he decided to do and how it turned out. I am interested in teaching children also. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 07:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:19:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: simple project Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:11:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Mar20.221127.0> Precedence: bulk A few weeks back I did a class for a boy scout group of about 9 boys, ranging in age from 9 to 12. I explained about the glass types, etc. then I proceeded to let them practice cutting on scrap glass, and grind their piece that they cut. To save time (I had about 2.5 hours with them also), I had precut the project, which consisted of a apple, stem and leaf...preground them also...then I put them in a baggie with the amount of foil needed..and a suction cup. They did the foiling themselves. I did the flux and they soldered the stem and leaf on then I finished the solding myself. They all enjoyed the project...or so they said. It was interesting being that it was the first time I had done this. The apple was a very easy project and something mom could hang in her kitchen window to show off. Still lurking in Ohio Sheila _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 07:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:58:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: gjr@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:56:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.145655.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna I wish that I had known that you were going to be there I too took a class from Tommy G. and it was a blast He was great I also enjoyed Peter McGrains class on Designing. I rememeber Peters first entry into the show in Cinti Oh the one that brought him to the forefront, a piece that depicted two guys shrimping off of a bridge in Fla. it looked like a photgraph. I learned a lot at the show and hope to return again next year. Especially since with much research a group of us found the ultimate BUFFET in Vegas at the MGM.Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 08:12:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:11:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: simple project Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:14:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.21435.0> References: <<1998Mar21.105525.0>> Precedence: bulk I will definitely let you know how it turns out....I'm thinking I might ask him to take a picture of the group and then scan it in for everyone to see!! I really appreciate all the ideas everyone has thrown out. When my friend gets back from ice racing (he races cars on frozen lakes on the weekend -- yes, I'm in The Great White North of Minnesota and yes, the lakes are still frozen over here, at least up north by the Canadian border -- in fact I think he's in International Falls right now) I'll let him know what everyone came up with. Two and a half hours isn't really long enough to show them much, but on the other hand kids' attention spans may wane a bit, especially if they can't all be doing something, so I might suggest that a few of them do a mosaic idea (like the picture frames) and then some of them learn/practice scoring (I like the idea of the sail boat with straight edge and also the apple idea). I'm going to offer to pre-cut some scraps for him to take with him so the kids can start foiling some of those pieces. Keep sending in ideas though as I probably won't talk to him until Monday night or Tuesday. Thanks again, and you never know...we might just get another artist going out there!!! Yegnim wrote: > > Hi Bungies, > > In reference to a simple project for kids, seaspray wrote: > > "Let each kid bring a picture frame and fly with it" (working with scraps, > making a mosaic). > > How about pulling out a poloroid camera and taking a picture of each child > then positioning it in the center of the mosaic they will be making? Better > yet, you could mark off a portion of the frame for the photo, then insert > (glue, whatever) the photo after the "dirty work is done". Both parents and > kids should love this idea. > > Lenore > P.S.-Please get back to us and let us know what he decided to do and how it > turned out. I am interested in teaching children also. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 08:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:18:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Customer is always right Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:17:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.31744.0> Precedence: bulk The customer is always right, however get some money up front to at least cover your costs. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 08:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:23:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bio# 3 Valerie Tydings Phelps Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:22:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.32251.0> Precedence: bulk A little more about my background. I'm one of those addictive personalities, i.e. "Hi my name is Valerie and I'm a glassaholic", OR "Hi my name is Valerie and I'm a computerholic." These two things are completely interchangable with me. I am completely and totally in love with both. I developed the curriculum for, and teach Computer Resource classes 3 days a week at a local private school to grades K-8. I teach everything from graphics manipulation to presentation, word-processing to spreadsheets, HTML and writing for the Web to desktop publishing for the yearbook and school paper. I'm also crazy about children but can't have any more. I'm thankful to have been blessed with a 16 year old son, (most of the time!) I have a wonderful husband who is a building contractor, and he even built my studios for me when I went professional! He bought my first grinder for me too, what a PEACH, eh? We bought a 120 year old post-Civil War house (USA Civil War that is,) to renovate and restore. (It still contains the original hand-cast glass in 70-75 percent of the [32] 6-over-6 wood windows too! YUMMY!) I started learning how to cut and work with glass when I was 12 and it came so naturally that I took it for granted for a while. I eventually began to realize that I could actually be artistic for the very first time in my life. That only with wonderful glass, lead, solder, and my own imagination, I could create something truly beautiful and carry that translation over in such a way that almost anyone could see and appreciate just what *I saw!! It was an incredible revelation for me. I had always been able to see beauty and appreciate beauty which others had the talent to create; but I had never been successful at trying to create anything of beauty myself--until I got serious about stained glass. It changed my life. It stretches me, encourages me, frees me, limits me gently, grows me. Here's one of the loveliest things... I can say those same things about bungi when it's at it's best. Wow. Thank you all so much! Thanks for sharing, in my life, my enthusiasm, my irritation(s), my befuddlement(s), and my glass work. I remain indebted and indeed, grateful. Always, Valerie Tydings Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "Smooth seas never made a good sailor." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 08:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:31:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bio#4 Shiela Dunn Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:31:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.33117.0> Precedence: bulk SHIELA A. DUNN Shiela Dunn''s Designs E-mail tuka@bc.sympatico.ca Semi-professional Major field of interest - Boxes and medium sized panels SG Associations member - none yet Other interests - Designing for SG and Counted Cross Stitch, Reading "Day Job" - Certified General Accountant (Canadian equivalent of CPA) I was born (seems like a good place to start) May 23, 1952 which puts me on the cusp between Taurus and Gemini for those interested in "What's your sign?" I went to school and did all the regular growing up things. In 1979 I decided it was time to stop just having fun with my life and do something serious. That was when I enrolled in the correspondence courses for my CGA designation. I was already working as an accountant so thought I should make it "official" that that was what I wanted to do with my life. I passed all the exams, and received my CGA on May 21,1985. I now run my own medium sized practice from a home office. I met my one and only husband (Doug) on August 15, 1981. We started living together on December 15, 1986 and were married on December 15, 1991. We couldn't have children, and by the time we found out for sure, we were too old to adopt. So..... we have four furry Child Substitutes - two cats, Peaches and Buds and two dogs Tuka and OBD. All of these CSs are spoiled rotten and are very much our family. We live on twenty acres of land in a little house that's perpetually under construction. Our property is located near the top of a mountain (picture rounded mountains, not Rocky Mountain types) between Kamloops and Chase in the south central part of British Columbia, Canada. Over the years I have done most kinds of crafts, though Counted Cross Stitch held my interest for many years. During the summer of 1995 I developed a repetitive strain injury called DeQuervain's syndrome and it became difficult for me to do almost anything involving fine motions with my right hand, so kiss the cross stitching good-bye. I had to switch many daily activities from my right to my left hand. I think this triggered the other side of my brain, because I began having creative ideas like I'd never had before in my life. This is when I started designing patterns for cross stitch. A co-worker of my husband's (her name is Nancy) wanted to take an evening beginner class in Stained Glass. The owner of the local shop was quite willing to do an evening class as long as there were at least four students. Nancy could only round up two besides herself, so I said I would take the class (thinking that I wouldn't be able to manage well with my sore hand) so that she could do it. To make a long story short, I became obsessed and she hasn't touched it since. Doing SG work does hurt my hand, but LIFE hurts my hand so I just carry on the best I can, resting it when I have to. Mostly, I find ways to make things easier. I almost always use running or grozing pliers for example, not hand breaking. I pick up coffee pots and other heavy things with my left hand, and can even write left handed on particularly bad days. My professional commissions have included a series of seven windows for a house in Kamloops that used primarily Clear Waterglass and Burgundy Baroque and a series of five windows for a church near Kamloops. The largest of these windows was a little over 4 feet by 8 feet. I learned a great deal about working with large panels during this commission and would hesitate before accepting another one as big. (Well, I'd charge more anyway.) I sell most of my SG production through gift shops, a craft mall and the occasional craft sale. I love making boxes and medium sized panels ( 4 to 8 square feet) and truly dislike doing stepping stones. Someday I may figure out what I want to be when I grow up, but somehow I doubt it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 08:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:00:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Irridized gluechip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.05743.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Laurean and All I used irridized gluechip and granite in my front door along with bevels and I was more than pleased with the results. It shows up very well from the street, especially when there is shade. I do believe that it shows up better than color would have. Hope this helps. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 09:07:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:12:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:27:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.132716.0> Precedence: bulk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 09:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:13:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: Northernlights Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: simple project Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:05:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.15510.0> Precedence: bulk When I used to do demonstrations at craft shows, way back in the 1970's, I used to let the children make a musical note. You cut the upper part from scrap glass, used pretinned or copper wire for the staff and a nugget(glass glob) for the bottom. In those days I used "U" shaped lead came. _____ / / <-- scrap glass flag solder --> /_____/ / / / <--staff / <-- solder glass nugget ---> You can also use a piece of narrow "H" came and wrap the glass flag, use the came as the staff and then wrap the nugget in the other direction. This uses only two solder joints, so I could guide the childrens hands to do the soldering. Sorry I can't give you a better picture. Good luck with your project. At 11:36 AM 3/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small >group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group >will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them. He's >trying to think of something very simple/very few pieces and with foil. > The only thing I could come up with was maybe balloons (say 3 balloons) >so each child could actually cut the glass, grind, and foil. He said >he's going to do the soldering. Does anyone have any other "simple" >ideas that he could use??? Thanks!!! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 09:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:15:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: [Fwd: Re: glass floats] Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:16:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.11621.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <3513BD83.14E0@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:15:47 -0600 From: mike peck Reply-To: summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fibers Subject: Re: glass floats References: <1998Mar20.131150.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard's idea of drilling holes in the glass floats sounds great. Just thought I'd add that the holes can be sandblasted through as well. Much less stress on the glass that way which means less chance of breaking the float. Mike Peck fibers wrote: > > Howard, > Can you give more instructions for drilling holes in the floats? I'm > kinda new at this glass business> > TIA > Nelda > > FYI: the fishing floats are glass balls, usually encased in a net and > attatched to tail of fishing nets. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 09:39:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:15:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albert's resume Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:20:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.1202.0> References: <> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > ... so if you really want to see my unlovely mug and click through it > to my resume, you can do that. Or you can do something more useful > ... like draw another pattern. > > Albert > Now there is something that would take some inspiration! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 09:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:34:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: <199803211633.KAA09916@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk I have tried >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >regular. Any advice? Thanks Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass looks like an oil slick. It might turn off their interest in that particular abomination. Len ********* Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ ********* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 11:12:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:09:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: fishing floats Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:04:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.1451.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just a thought about the fishing floats. Maybe a box could be made with them. Take one and use a band saw to cut the float in half. Glue hinges to it and use marbles for feet. I know it sounds dumb, but it was just a thought. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 11:41:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Laurean E Clover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.84945.0> References: <<1998Mar21.343.0>> Precedence: bulk Laurean E Clover wrote: > > I have a customer who wants a window done in > bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of > the very outside border being irridized glue chip. > have any of you worked with this? I have tried > to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. > In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended > regular. Any advice? Thanks > > Laurean > Eph. 4:32 > > _____________________________________________________________________ it cut's like normal glass, you or they have to decide wether the irrid. goes on the inside or the outside. Spectrum makes some ( i think). if anything it should be easy enough to find. and it add an extra sparkle to the project. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 11:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:55:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Laurean E Clover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.85353.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Laureen- Use that iridized glass with discretion - a little goes a loooong way and there's nothing that will make your work look amateur faster than its overuse. From a design stand-point, the iridized will visually sit on a different plane than the regular glass... the more you use, the worse the dilemna. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 13:11:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:33:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:27:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.102759.0> References: <<1998Mar21.85353.0>> Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Laureen- > Use that iridized glass with > discretion - a little goes a loooong > way and there's nothing that will > make your work look amateur > faster than its overuse. From > a design stand-point, the iridized > will visually sit on a different plane > than the regular glass... the more > you use, the worse the dilemna. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass however there is an exception to that rule. each company makes there irridescent differently (with the exception of wissmach and armstrong which are very simaler). so you can use a spectrum irr. and a kokomo irr, and a bullseye matt irr. and from an angle it will look different. i've used this format before. it will look different. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 13:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:41:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "len alcamo" , Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Oops Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:12:23 -0600 Message-ID: <199803211909.NAA22151@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Oops..... I forgot the ;-) > > I have tried >>to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >>In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >>regular. Any advice? Thanks > > >Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass >looks like an oil slick. > >It might turn off their interest in that particular abomination. > >Len > >********* Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ ********* > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 13:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:44:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: irridized oil slicks Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:36:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.33651.0> Precedence: bulk The fact that oil slick looks like irridized glass is the only redeeming factor that it has. I'm not sure why some have resistance to irridized glass. Used in moderation, it can be a lively highlight. Used in excess it can be gaudy and objectionable. I use it, as suspect MANY others do for humming birds and especially when I do a stained glass window of the Exxon Valdiz! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo [SMTP:alcamoz@mwt.net] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 8:32 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass looks like an oil slick. It might turn off their interest in that particular abomination. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 14:44:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:42:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Bio #5 Albert Lewis Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:41:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar14.94113.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert, I should have taken your advice and drew another pattern. However, by popular demand (well at least 1 person Mike Greer), I am posting your bio. BTW keep an eye on Mike he might want something. (8-) Ohhhh, Albert an "HTML Stripper" what would your mother think? ******************************************************************* Experience 1993 - 1997 Touchstone Applied Science Associates (TASA), Inc. Brewster, New York Director, Corporate Communications Sales & Marketing Maintained databases of advertising opportunities, handled all aspects of mailing requirements for direct mail campaigns, monitored web site activities and executed changes to improve response. Customer Support & Service As webmaster, fielded incoming inquiries and routed them to appropriate staff; designed =93splash=94 screens for each new corporate product and incorporated that art into the web sites. Product Development & Enhancement Produced all graphic output for the company =85 books, newsletters, catalogs, flyers, exhibit booths, CD and diskette packaging/artwork, manuals and web sites. Operations/Organization Wrote and distributed requests for proposals on print production; managed workflow of print projects; authorized payment at projects=92 completion. Corporate Liaison with corporate brokers handling company=92s stock, notifying them of incoming requests for financials from stockholders from web sites; co=F6rdinated production and distribution of corporate documents with stockholders and SEC counsel. 1982 - present International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. Professional Stained Glass Guild, Inc. Brewster, New York Executive Director Supervised seven immediate staff members, 53 contributing editors and writers, and maintained continuous liaison with Board of Advisors. Edited, designed, and supervised print production of the organization's full-color monthly magazine. Conceptualized and supervised production of direct marketing subscription and advertising promotion campaigns, co=F6rdinated advertising and editorial interaction and oversaw all other details of the magazine's monthly schedule, including printer and mailing house relations. Responsible for software and database management for in-house fulfillment department of members and non-members in the United States and 66 foreign countries; supervised production of a wide variety of publications, videos, book sales operations, international trade fairs and symposia, including the highly successful World Glass Congress. Increased annual advertising sales to $540,000 from previous $40,000 levels. Designed database publishing program to generate annual directory for industry served by association. Wrote complex database programs to automatically calculate distribution of each issue of the magazine, including all required postal reports, zip code breakouts, bookstore distribution and returns, as well as the required year-end publisher's statement. Identified a wide variety of other publications, books, trade fairs and symposia, and editorial tie-ins; conceived, organized and supervised their creation, then supervised fulfillment as additional profit centers for the organization. 1993 - present Art in Architecture Press, Inc. Wilmington, Delaware Designer/Managing Editor Conceptualized, edited and designed a bimonthly controlled circulation publication. Conceived overall editorial scheme of the publication, which was produced in its entirety via electronic communication. Designed and wrote direct mail promotions, production and mailing, and constructed database reporting mechanisms to track results. Achieved a 12% response on pay-in-advance promotions. Created numerous databases, command files to utilize them, cross-connected the data for multiple uses, including automatic invoicing and inventory management, bookkeeping, tax data production, and circulation/sales analysis. Edited and designed books; designed direct mail promotions and print advertising. 1979 - 1982 New York Center for Graphic Arts, Inc. New York, New York Executive Director Designed and implemented educational programs in magazine and book design and production. Interviewed and hired teaching staff, supervised workshop and seminar programs. Education M.A., Art B.A., Design Web Sites Designed and / or Maintained http://www.tasa.com http://www.browzerbooklink.com http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga http://www.jlsloan.com http://www.aiap.com Additional Touchstone Applied Science Associates Background International Guild of Glass Artists McKernan Satterlee Associates Art in Architecture Press 1972 San Jose State University San Jose, California 1969 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley, California Awards 1969 President's Undergraduate Fellow, University of California, Berkeley. 1991 Gold Ink Award for magazine design, Publishing & Production Executive. German and English speaker; skilled editor and designer; database programmer and designer; deep computer communications experience; member of technical support staff, Glass Section, Crafts Forum, Compuserve; layout, design and production specialist, particularly database publishing; wide four-color and press production knowledge; workshop and conference organizer; experienced photographer in both 35mm and 6x7cm formats. PC platform: AOL, CIS, Corel Draw, Corel Ventura Publisher, Corel XARA, FoxPro, HTML Stripper, HTML Transit, IomegaZip, MS-Word 5 DOS, Paint Shop Pro, QHTML, QuarkXPress, SnagIt32, TableGen, VP2TXT, WebEditPRO, Word 6 Win, and others. Member, Microsoft SiteBuilder Network; World Wide Developer Network. And for the brave of heart here is his photo: [Image] Albert Lewis wrote: > Oh, okay ... an announcement about my new job at the College of Fine > Art and Glass in Switzerland was just posted to What's New at > http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ > > ... so if you really want to see my unlovely mug and click through it > to my resume, you can do that. Or you can do something more useful > ... like draw another pattern. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 15:13:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:15:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar21.22150.0> References: <<199803210554.AAA18642@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all of you who gave advice on the irridized glue chip! Sure do appreciate it! Laurean Eph. 4:32 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 15:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:58:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: <199803212213.OAA19825@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I have a customer who wants a window done in >bevels and clear glue chip. They are thinking of >the very outside border being irridized glue chip. >have any of you worked with this? I have tried >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >regular. Any advice? Thanks Laurean...what about suggesting they use another iridized clear glass...eg. iridized granite, hammered, rippled, crocodile or whatever...that way you're introducing a contrasting texture to the piece, while keeping to their spirit of not wanting colour. Maybe you can talk them out of the regular glue chip and into a more interesting texture there too. They may or may not go for this as an alternate suggestion. If they insist, try and keep the border narrow...imho iridized glass should be an accent, not a focal point and it's easy to overdo. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 16:49:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: len alcamo Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:46:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar21.134629.0> References: <<199803211633.KAA09916@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, len alcamo wrote: > > I have tried > >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. > >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended > >regular. Any advice? Thanks > > > Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass > looks like an oil slick. doesn't it? that's what I like about it! m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 17:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:17:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bio #5 Albert Lewis Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:10:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.01030.0> References: <>> Precedence: bulk Gee........ Hmmmm......I am at a loss for words..... Laurean Eph. 4:32 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 17:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:20:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: computer question Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:17:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.01751.0> Precedence: bulk I am sorry to ask this question, this is my last resort! and seeing you all are so friendly and willing to help... I have a 486 computer with windows 3.1, and dos 6.0 (?) I want to put windows 95 in, and it tells me I can't upgrade from 3.1, and need to buy uprade 95. My friend gave me this one to use, and I hate to fork out the money. My question is this, can I format my drive C, and reload dos, then put in the windows 95? Or do I need a newer version of dos? I guess you would have to email me privately on this one. Thanks!! Laurean Eph. 4:32 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 19:22:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:14:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:14:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.21433.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-21 12:53:46 EST, you write: << I have tried >to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >regular. Any advice? Thanks >> Personally, I like the different kinds of clear textured glass in a project better then colors. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 21:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:16:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #5 Albert Lewis Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:13:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.51334.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, My name is Susan and I feel totally inadequate. No honors, no degrees. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 21 23:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:15:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC2 From: NEOGLASSIC2@webtv.net (Andrew) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert's resume Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:11:52 -0800 Message-ID: <199803220711.XAA19228@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk I for one, after reading Alberts impressive resume', was wondering if Albert would be kind enough to let us all know a little about his glass experience. You know, like when did you learn, what store or studio did you learn at, which style do you prefer...lead or foil. And maybe any works that you have done that we all might be able to take a look at. Andrew ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 00:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:17:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC2 From: NEOGLASSIC2@webtv.net (Andrew) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:16:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199803220716.XAA19960@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote: Spectrum makes some (I think) Actually, Spectrum does not make glue chip. Many distributors order Spectrum's cathedrals and then send it out to be chipped. Andrew ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 07:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:55:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: irridized Glue Chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 06:52:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar21.225237.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just a note to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you folks that said to use just a little irridized glue chip in the panel. A little of it does go a long way. When I did my front door I used the irridized spectrum glass just as an accent, and that is what makes it so appealing. I personally love irridized spectrum glass because it's not too bold and it does add another dimension to the panels. I have always told my clients that either you love irridized or hate it. There doesn't seem to be any in between. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 09:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bio #5 Albert Lewis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:49:30 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Ohhhh, Albert an "HTML Stripper" what would your mother think? Oh, gee. I didn't think of that! Well, I just won't tell her. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 10:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:43:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert's resume Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:49:31 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I for one, after reading Alberts impressive resume', was wondering if > Albert would be kind enough to let us all know a little about his glass > experience. > You know, like when did you learn, what store or studio did you learn > at, which style do you prefer...lead or foil. Thanks for asking, Andrew. I was trained as a glassblower after I went to UC Berkeley to study high-fire ceramics. They were blowing glass in one of the studios and I took the course out of curiosity. I'd already moved on to raku because it resulted in finished work more quickly; glass was even faster, although it took me a year to overcome wanting to actually *touch the material I was working with, something I'd been accustomed to with clay, of course. Glass at 2000 degrees doesn't allow that, though; you have to kind of do it by remote control at the end of the pipe or punty. But I eventually set up my own studio in the industrial part of Oakland CA and was selling my work through museum shops. A couple of years later I started Glass Art magazine (not the same one that exists now) and had the furnaces at one end of a building I'd put up in the back yard, the magazine "office" (a desk) at the other end of the building, and a ton of chicken feed on a pallet in the middle (I had 200 laying hens ... very much the 60s, right?). I've been publishing *about glass ever since, rather than producing work in glass myself. My artistic production these days is strictly oil paintings, unless you count all the glass books and publications about glass that I do. I count 'em, myself. So my training's all at college and university, apart from a stint as a designer for the Sevres Crystal, south of Paris. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 10:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:43:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Subject: Re: Albert's resume Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:49:30 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I enjoyed seeing your handsome and intelligent face. > > Since I was the highest bidder, guess I owe somebody $10. Would that be > pj, you or the Glass Guild? > > Suzanne "Handsome and intelligent?" Oh my! I thought only my wife and dog thought of me that way. Ten dollars? Geez, it must be owed to me! Surely, you're joking, but if you have to send money anywhere, you can send it to the Guild. I promise it'll go into its coffers for its programs and not into my pocket. Promise! Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 10:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp37.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199803221445.JAA00417@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<199803211633.KAA09916@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Precedence: bulk len wries, >> I have tried >> to talk them into some color, but they don't want it. >> In this case of regular vs. irridized, I reccomended >> regular. Any advice? Thanks len> Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass len> looks like an oil slick. len> It might turn off their interest in that particular abomination. Sorry, but I don't understand why some people don't seem to like it. I seem to prefer it above plain colours because it changes it colour depending on the angle you see it from with respect to the source of light. Can anybody elaborate, THanks, -- Daniel M. German "Work. Finish. Publish. " Michael Faraday http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 11:13:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:47:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: irridized Glue Chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980322121345.006ae5b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Mar21.225237.0>> Precedence: bulk I love it..... I use it on boxes, suncatchers, kalidoscopes.... any color! I do a lot of decrative solder on it... add oddities like Mother of Pearl, jewels and irridized globs.... even rhinestones and fancy buttons. Barbara At 06:52 AM 3/22/98 -0800, Dianne G. Maddison wrote: >Hi All, >Just a note to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you folks that said >to use just a little irridized glue chip in the panel. A little of it >does go a long way. When I did my front door I used the irridized >spectrum glass just as an accent, and that is what makes it so >appealing. I personally love irridized spectrum glass because it's not >too bold and it does add another dimension to the panels. I have always >told my clients that either you love irridized or hate it. There >doesn't seem to be any in between. >Dianne > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 12:54:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:52:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Reinforcement Date: Sun Mar 22 11:50:34 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar22.220130gmt+0100.19588@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings, Just a general question folks, can somebody give me some details about reinforceing a panel that is 7ft high by 4 feet wide. I would like an indication of how often to reinforce what with and in which direction> Thanks Bye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 13:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:02:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com (Laurean E Clover) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: irridized glue chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:57:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.195749.0> Precedence: bulk I like irridized glass real well. Though not when its heavy. In this instance, I was concerned with the panel having too much glue chip and clear, and no color. I know we will get some color with the irridized, but was concerned it would look funny next to the regular glue chip. The reason I am speaking in the past tense with the concerns, is because its out of my hands. I took the advice of "the customer is always right", and ordered my supplies.... Laurean Eph. 4:32 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 14:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:01:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: globalnet.co.uk!aareg From: "Tony Regan" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass glue Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:54:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar22.205429.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD55D4.B5457E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone advise the best glass glue ? Characteristics need to be 1.. Transparent 2.. Waterproof 3..Permanent=20 Tony & Barbara Regan ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD55D4.B5457E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can anyone advise the best glass glue ?
 
Characteristics need to be 1.. = Transparent
2.. Waterproof  3..Permanent
 
Tony & Barbara Regan
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD55D4.B5457E20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 15:30:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:12:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: gjr@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:10:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.221032.0> Precedence: bulk It was the Adv. Lead class on Sat morning that I was in . He is so energetic and knowledeable I will return again just to go to one of his classes. We really had a lot of fun, I was there with a group most of whom are Bungians from all over the US. We also decided that the windows at the Barbary Coast were the best in Vegas. They were incredible! There were some nice ones at Main Street also but closer examination revealed that they had some recent repair work done that was less than what I consider acceptable, they had replaced some of the bevels using cut off's without beveling the cut off's on the ends.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 15:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: irridized oil slicks Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:56:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199803222256.OAA11905@ark.com> Precedence: bulk I am glad that someone pointed that out. Are the 'Bungians' aware the Greenpeace fueled up in Port Angeles at "EXXON" prior to heading out to protest the Oil Industry? Now one must ask one's self---'where are they REALLY trying to accomplish and what is their REAL motif? ----Something to keep in mind when one here's of 'All the Good' the environmental movement is doing!! >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sat Mar 21 14:07:37 1998 >Return-Path: >X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer >From: "Glenn Spicer" >To: "'glass@bungi.com'" >Subject: RE: irridized oil slicks >Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:36:51 -0800 >Precedence: bulk > >The fact that oil slick looks like irridized glass is the only redeeming >factor that it has. I'm not sure why some have resistance to irridized >glass. Used in moderation, it can be a lively highlight. Used in excess it >can be gaudy and objectionable. I use it, as suspect MANY others do for >humming birds and especially when I do a stained glass window of the Exxon >Valdiz! Glenn Spicer, >The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > >-----Original Message----- >From: len alcamo [SMTP:alcamoz@mwt.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 8:32 AM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: irridized glue chip > >Are they environmentally aware? If so tell them you think irridized glass >looks like an oil slick. >It might turn off their interest in that particular abomination. >Len > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 16:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:31:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: frank.g.mizzi@magnet.mt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Reinforcement Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:29:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar22.222924.0> Precedence: bulk A panel of this size should be reinforced about every18"to24" horizontally and should also have 2 rods going vertically. There is a new device out not sure of the name but they are clips that you can attach to the window to make attaching reinforcement rods very easy, I saw them at the show in Vegas and they really looked interesting to me . I will definetly try them with my next large piece. They allow you to slide the rod into them very neatly and then you can solder the rod into place, the clips having already being soldered into the panel. there were different styles for multiple applications. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 17:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:37:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:39:05 -0600 Message-ID: <199803222337.RAA25107@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk > >Sorry, but I don't understand why some people don't seem to like it. I >seem to prefer it above plain colours because it changes it colour >depending on the angle you see it from with respect to the source of >light. > >Can anybody elaborate, > I look at it this way For use in dimensional pieces I think its OK. Pieces such as boxes depend in part on the reflective properties of the glass to contribute to an overall pleasent artistic effect SG windows are a medium of transmitted light and generally the reflective nature of the glass is not a design consideration, nor in my opinion should it be. Mine is a traditionalist's point of view. To me irridized glass in a SG window stands out like a..........well......... like a street walker at a church picnic Like someone said you either love it or hate it. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 17:59:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:52:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: fishing floats Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:51:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.05143.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890614304_boundary Content-ID: <0_890614304@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_890614304_boundary Content-ID: <0_890614304@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DMR74 Return-path: To: artglass@flash.net Subject: Re: fishing floats Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:50:37 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-21 14:13:20 EST, you write: > Just a thought about the fishing floats. Maybe a box could be made with > them. Take one and use a band saw to cut the float in half. Glue > hinges to it and use marbles for feet. I know it sounds dumb, but it > was just a thought. this thought gave me another do the same thing but make it look like a frog you know big eyes some kinda feet etc deb --part0_890614304_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 18:30:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:14:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: books Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:13:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.1131.0> Precedence: bulk I am now ready to order books from amazon and I remember that we were told that the guild only gets credit if we access it a certain way please refresh my memory deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 18:59:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:41:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar22.152620.0> Precedence: bulk What a great analogy, Len. Iridized glass like a streetwalker at a church picnic! My opinion is more direct - = it makes a perfectly good window look cheap if it's not used discretely. Just my pompous opinion - IMPO! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 19:19:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:49:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Howdy gang.... I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them little pieces? Any ideas or sugggestions? Thanks.....Wayne Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 19:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:29:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: len alcamo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar22.162352.0> References: <<199803222337.RAA25107@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > > > >Sorry, but I don't understand why some people don't seem to like it. I > >seem to prefer it above plain colours because it changes it colour > >depending on the angle you see it from with respect to the source of > >light. > > > >Can anybody elaborate, > > > > I look at it this way > > For use in dimensional pieces I think its OK. Pieces such as boxes depend in > part on the reflective properties of the glass to contribute to an overall > pleasent artistic effect > > SG windows are a medium of transmitted light and generally the reflective > nature of the glass is not a design consideration, nor in my opinion should > it be. Mine is a traditionalist's point of view. > > To me irridized glass in a SG window stands out like > a..........well......... like a street walker at a church picnic > > Like someone said you either love it or hate it. > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i see it more as a texture. though it's not a texture that can be seen through when light comes in. it gives it a nice accent. though it depends on your application. some places it just may not look good... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 20:44:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:22:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:21:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.3213.0> Precedence: bulk I feel a mosaic coming on.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 20:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:24:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:22:05 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.3225.0> Precedence: bulk dumb question - many times my pieces get oxidation buildup. At first I thought I wasn't cleaning the pieces well enough so I switched and now use CJ Flux, detergent liquid and baking soda and I still can't seem to get rid of the oxdation. I believe I am washing the piece well enough but not really sure how I can tell. I use a soft brush (sometimes it can tear off the tinned pieces) but most times I use a kitchen scouring pad. Is oxidation normal in foiled pieces? I have quite a bit of original (1920) leaded windows in our home and don't notice it on these windows. On a piece just completed, I noticed it has a 'fog' / shadow around the solder line...used the fractured/confetti glass and artique glass. Is this related?? Can someone provide some input - this is driving me crazy and getting frustrating! Thanks Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 21:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: FINISHED! Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:27:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.32729.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all!! I finished the giraffe!!! Tomorrow I call the guy to tell him it's ready. I'm so nervous. I hope he likes it. Last night I kept dreaming it had a huge crack in it!! I woke up in a cold sweat. I can make 'em, but I'd hate to repair 'em! On the reinforcement, I ended up putting 3 runs, equally spaced. I tried to bend it to go through the design, but I just couldn't. I don't think its too bad. You won't be able to see it unless the light is on behind it. Thank you all for your advice etc. on this project. It is the biggest piece I have done to date. Was quite a challenge for me! If you'd like, tell me and I will e-mail a picture of it to anyone who is interested. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 21:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro), glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:45 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Small Scraps of glass--what now?" on Mar 22, 17:46, Wayne Munro writes:] > Howdy gang.... > I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion > pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different > shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them > little pieces? > Any ideas or sugggestions? > Thanks.....Wayne Mosaics. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 21:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:05:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Wayne Munro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:03:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar22.16317.0> References: <<199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com>> Precedence: bulk If you have a Community College or potter in your area they love to use them in their projects. The pieces melt wondrefully when the piece is fired. Patrick Roses and Rainbows. BTW, where is your bioWayne Wayne Munro wrote: > Howdy gang.... > I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion > pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different > shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them > little pieces? > Any ideas or sugggestions? > Thanks.....Wayne > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address > 2960 Suffield Road, > Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > > Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 22:37:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:34:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 00:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: <199803230533.AAA22421@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >many times my pieces get oxidation buildup. (snip) > On a piece just completed, I noticed it has >a 'fog' / shadow around the solder line...used the fractured/confetti glass >and artique glass. Is this related?? Margaret, to get rid of the fog/shadow you need to clean the piece thoroughly with a wax finishing compound such as Kem-O-Pro, or Ultimate Cleaner seems to work well also. Get your rag up close to the solder lines until the fog is gone. Sometimes a Q-tip will help. I find antique glass particularly difficult to get clean, but diligence will pay off! Also, I have been using distilled water for my soldering sponge ever since having a terrible oxidation problem that showed up about two weeks after the piece was completed - thought it might have been due to minerals in my well water. That was after a severe drought, but that's not likely now in our area! Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 22 23:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:55:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar22.135516.0> References: <<199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I take a 12" dia. dreamcatcher ring and use it as a guide. I place that in the bottom of a 14" dia. stepping stone mold and place scrap glass about an inch and a half deep inside the guide and then put a few pieces dead center. I also package them up and sell them along with the stepping stone instructions to my customers at craft shows. They sell pretty good. Wayne Munro wrote: > > Howdy gang.... > I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion > pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different > shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them > little pieces? > Any ideas or sugggestions? > Thanks.....Wayne > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address > 2960 Suffield Road, > Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > > Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 04:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:52:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Tony Regan" Subject: Re: glass glue Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Can anyone advise the best glass glue ? > Characteristics need to be 1.. Transparent > 2.. Waterproof 3..Permanent The adhesive of choice among stained glass conservators is Hxtal, which has an index of refraction closest to glass. It's available from Bill Schein Conservator's Emporium 100 Standing Rock Circle Reno NV 89511 - Phone: ( 702 ) 852 - 0404 Fax: (702) 852-3737 Email: b.schein@ccni.net They're listed in the Sources Guide online, URL below. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 04:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:53:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: DMR74 Subject: Re: books Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I am now ready to order books from amazon and I remember that we were told > that the guild only gets credit if we access it a certain way please refresh > my memory Thanks for keeping us in mind, Deb. The Guild's links with Amazon start at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ and the instructions are there. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 06:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:57:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:55:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.125539.0> References: <<199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com>>> Precedence: bulk You all will probably holler at me when I tell you what I did with all my scraps..... We are in the long, tedious, process of building a house, so Between the basement wall, and the dirt wall, I dumped all me scraps. Kinda funny though, because the other day, I needed a teeny piece of pink, and went down there and found it. Now that I look back and read the above, I can understand why people tell me I am warped! :-) Laurean _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 06:49:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:59:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:55:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.125539.0> References: <<1998Mar22.152620.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Again, I have been following the posts on the glue chip. Seems one either hates it or loves it! For those of you that hate it, you will be relieved to know, the border is 1/2" x 124". So that's not too much, and for those of you that love it, I beleieve it will be enough to give it character. Laurean ( who strives to keep everyone happy) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 08:26:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:56:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: books Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I am now ready to order books from amazon and I remember that we were told > that the guild only gets credit if we access it a certain way please refresh > my memory Thanks for keeping us in mind, Deb. The Guild's links with Amazon start at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ and the instructions are there. Oh, I failed to note that the actual instructions to order books and have your order benefit the Guild is at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/amaznote.htm sorry. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 08:32:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Margaret41 , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:19:24 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "getting rid of oxidation question" on Mar 22, 22:22, Margaret41 writes:] > dumb question - many times my pieces get oxidation buildup. At first I thought > I wasn't cleaning the pieces well enough so I switched and now use CJ Flux, > detergent liquid and baking soda and I still can't seem to get rid of the > oxdation. I believe I am washing the piece well enough but not really sure how > I can tell. I use a soft brush (sometimes it can tear off the tinned pieces) > but most times I use a kitchen scouring pad. Is oxidation normal in foiled > pieces? I have quite a bit of original (1920) leaded windows in our home and > don't notice it on these windows. On a piece just completed, I noticed it has > a 'fog' / shadow around the solder line...used the fractured/confetti glass > and artique glass. Is this related?? > > Can someone provide some input - this is driving me crazy and getting > frustrating! I have a ship that the solder seams turned milky in areas. I was told to use steel wool and this will make it shiny again. I haven't tried it yet though. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 08:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:05:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Wayne Munro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.613.0> References: <<199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com>> Precedence: bulk Wayne Munro wrote: > > Howdy gang.... > I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion > pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different > shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them > little pieces? > Any ideas or sugggestions? > Thanks.....Wayne > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address > 2960 Suffield Road, > Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > > Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it depends on how large they are. if there the size of your hand, save it as regular scrap. seperate any artglass (if any), for seperate use or fusing. the rest can be made into a wind chime. or as someone else said throw them in a rock tumbler, then put pot-purri oil on it (if you like that sort of thing)... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 09:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Margaret41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.61127.0> References: <<1998Mar23.3225.0>> Precedence: bulk Margaret41 wrote: > > dumb question - many times my pieces get oxidation buildup. At first I thought > I wasn't cleaning the pieces well enough so I switched and now use CJ Flux, > detergent liquid and baking soda and I still can't seem to get rid of the > oxdation. I believe I am washing the piece well enough but not really sure how > I can tell. I use a soft brush (sometimes it can tear off the tinned pieces) > but most times I use a kitchen scouring pad. Is oxidation normal in foiled > pieces? I have quite a bit of original (1920) leaded windows in our home and > don't notice it on these windows. On a piece just completed, I noticed it has > a 'fog' / shadow around the solder line...used the fractured/confetti glass > and artique glass. Is this related?? > > Can someone provide some input - this is driving me crazy and getting > frustrating! > > Thanks > > Margaret > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass generally the piece should be squeeky clean. it also depends on the flux you use. gel flux may not wash off completly. paste flux may never wash off. it also may be the liquid soap your using, that could have oxidizing values. generally the glass is not the culprit (unless there's some sort of chemical on the glass to begin with). after your usual cleaning try rinsing the whole thing off with denatured alchohol. hopefully that will remove everything. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 10:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:32:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: irridized glue chip Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:30:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.163018.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-22 13:56:54 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << Sorry, but I don't understand why some people don't seem to like it. I seem to prefer it above plain colours because it changes it colour depending on the angle you see it from with respect to the source of light. Can anybody elaborate, THanks, -- Daniel M. German >> Me too, Daniel I agree that too much of an irridized glass is not a good thing, but I like it for the same reason you do,,,"the changing of colors depending on the angle you see it from with respect to the source of light."..... How well you put that! ( I think in this way irridized glass reminds me a lot of people, LOL) ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 10:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:44:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert's resume Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:51:17 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > your artistic experiences have been enviable!!! Wow, now i really AM > impressed! Aw, shucks, ma'am. T'warn't nuthin' Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 11:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:45:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Surplus site Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 09:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Mar19.143816.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > One (maybe dumb?) question. Is dichroic glass used for anything > besides fusing? Wouldn't you have to test for compatability to use it? > (I just took a fusing class, so I'm just learning about all this.) i use it for bird (mostly hummingbird) bodies on 3-dimensional pieces. i've seen it used to great effect in an underwater piece, where the scales were sand blasted, which took off the dichro coating. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 11:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.65848.0> References: <<1998Mar23.3213.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Next time you are near the ocean, dump the whole box off shore. A 'beach brain' activity very popular at shore side summer communities is searching for beach glass. Beach glass is any scrap of glass from bottles or whatever that has been 'sand blasted' after following whatever ocean currents take it from there to here. I have heard stories (recently on this list) where the stuff just piles up on the beach, ignored by the local denizens. Blue and red are rare, and can incite fisicuffs among avid collectors who stumble across a specimen at the same time. I have seen bets paid off in red or blue. Arguements rage on whether a piece was 'done', or should be thrown back, cuz one edge was still shiny, and didn't have the all over satin finish. This stuff can be set in jars, strewn on a shelf, put in the resivoir of an oil lamp. I'd like to see what art glass would look like after a year at the bottom of the Atlantic. No cheating and putting it in a rock tumbler. Part of the experience is walking along the beach just after high tide. CWWSLW wrote: > I feel a mosaic coming on.... > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 12:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:50:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: "Wayne Munro" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 15:22:38 PST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.232238.0> References: <<199803230146.RAA22914@ark.com>> Precedence: bulk We too had a lot of scrap glass. I made some stepping stones using scraps and they are very colorful and we are enjoying them in our yard and now we have had several orders for them. Judy ---------- > > Howdy gang.... > I was doing inventory today and I found that I have 100, million, kajillion > pieces of glass left over from when I started doing glass, all of different > shapes, colors and sizes. Now if I had some idea what to do with all them > little pieces? > Any ideas or sugggestions? > Thanks.....Wayne > > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address > 2960 Suffield Road, > Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > > Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 14:03:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:37:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: shyguy@vdot.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:57:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.19572.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 14:24:29 EST, shyguy@vdot.net writes: << Next time you are near the ocean, dump the whole box off shore. A 'beach brain' activity very popular at shore side summer communities is searching for beach glass. >> Blue and red are rare, and can incite fisicuffs among avid collectors who stumble across a specimen at the same time. I have seen bets paid off in red or blue. >> Carl..You have the best idea yet! What I wanted to ask you is this......if a person were to tie up a few pounds of scrap in a mesh bag, like the ones onions come in, and maybe put the bag inside a crab trap and suspend it over the side of a pier or jetty, tied up like that.......for maybe a while (how long did you say the process takes? LOL) Do you think that when this person pulled the whole thing back up, it would be loaded with sandblasted red and blue beach glass????? <> ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 14:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:20:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: Glenna Rand , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:14:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.111459.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Glenna Rand wrote: > I was told > to use steel wool and this will make it shiny again. I haven't tried > it yet though. Steel wool will end up scratching the solder. I have used Neutra5000 on my pieces....but it's pricey. What works great is Brasso....and it's cheap....found in your local grocery store. I apply it to a soft cloth and then rub the solder....it cleans it beautifully.Karina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 15:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:22:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: shyguy@vdot.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:19:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar23.221957.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 14:24:29 EST, shyguy@vdot.net writes: > No cheating and putting it in a rock tumbler. Part of the experience is > walking along the beach just after high tide. AND hoping you don't find the unfinished piece in the bottom of your foot....or sticking out of a toe...."hmmmmmm it really is nicely done....but whoooaa wait a minute after I wipe this blood off, its not quite done....." Maureen....who has glass magnets in the soles of her feet..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 15:39:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: Mosfunland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.123136.0> References: <<577849e5.3516e00f@aol.com>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk actually, I find tar balls more of a problem. Aglass cut will heal in time, but the tar sticks to you foot until it's time to shed your skin. Mosfunland wrote: > AND hoping you don't find the unfinished piece in the bottom of your > foot....or sticking out of a toe...."hmmmmmm it really is nicely done....but > whoooaa wait a minute after I wipe this blood off, its not quite done....." > > Maureen....who has glass magnets in the soles of her feet..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 16:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, shyguy@vdot.net Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:56:38, -0500 Message-ID: <199803232156.QAA15978@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >I'd like to see what art glass would look like after a year at the >bottom of the Atlantic. Plenty of glass is brought up from ancient shipwrecks that is in pristine condition. That glass has had no scouring action from sand. Glass that is in strong surf is another matter. I would guess that glass in many areas of the State of Maine surf would be *finished* in one winter. At many places there the beach sand disappears in the winter only to be redeposited in the spring. Plenty of tumbling action. If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. Bob Ps: Have recovered pumice in RI that came from a volcano that could not have been very near in time or distance. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 16:18:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:31:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: I've been asked a favor Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:38:55 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, and not-glassy-enough information. I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the Guild, should just dummy up? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 16:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:52:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 16:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Mar23.123136.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > actually, I find tar balls more of a problem. Aglass cut will heal in time, > but the tar sticks to you foot until it's time to shed your skin. try acetone to remove tar. you'd be amazed at all the living things (protozoa, bacteria, worms, etc) in sea water that can grow quite well in you and make you really sick. an open wound in fresh sea water is almost as bad as mom kissing your cut knee. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 17:31:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:46:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199803240045.TAA17470@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Albert says: >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... I say keep on doing what you're doing, Chief Clerk! Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 17:59:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:55:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: "Albert Lewis" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:53:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980323185338.0082ab30@glasstreasures.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk Unless it's Glenna or Dave asking (since they own the list), my opinion is for you to keep on posting what you post. I think it's generally far more helpful than annoying and helps to remind people of other services and resources available to them! And as you said, it's not like you're throwing in a reference every single time you post. My .02.... Steph ~ At 05:38 PM 3/23/98 +0000, Albert Lewis wrote: >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 18:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:10:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:09:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.13918.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert, Ignore the complaints. Isn't part of the name of the "Guild" GLASS. Personally, I try to visit any site that the group recommends or mentions. It seems to me that if someone takes thier time to research or visit something that has glass in it most members of the group appreciate it. Remember that it is an impossibility to please everyone. The delete key is always available. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Now about a less formal Bio ......... Albert Lewis wrote: > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 18:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:43:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.15461.0> References: <> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Albert, as with all things, such as movies on TV, or certain books, etc, it still remains one's choice to view what one wants to view. In other words, that "person" can simply skip over, or delete, your messages. I for one have enjoyed your input. Rick http://home.fuse.net/crafts/index.html > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 18:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:46:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:45:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.1450.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_890703901_boundary Content-ID: <0_890703901@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_890703901_boundary Content-ID: <0_890703901@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DMR74 Return-path: To: alewis@vgernet.net Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:44:14 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-23 19:19:49 EST, you write: > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > Albert, I would think that certain info is useful to us all and sometimes useful to the guild Like my question on how to order books to give the guild credit I know you so kindly replied to me privately but I would think that this info could also have been of use to others too. As of this very second I don't see how the guild is helping me but that's in a very closed view, I am sure that the guild is doing things for the good of all glass people whether they be craftsmen hobbiests or professionals or what ever each of us wants to call ourselves.hmmm just my $.02 and I'll dummy up but not till I share the info you gave me. the actual instructions to order books and have your order benefit the Guild is at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/amaznote.htm oops just noticed that letter was addressed to bungi so ok we got reminded again just use the delete button freely if I spoke out of line deb --part0_890703901_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 18:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassSue From: Glass Sue To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pricing Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:56:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.15619.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-17 15:07:22 EST, you write: << glass@bungi.com >> Pricing! Sure there's a formula. its like putty, or bread, everybody has a formula, or a recipe and theirs is the best. Something is ultimately worth what someone else will pay for it, always in relation to what it costs to make it. Supply and demand. Sadly, too often in stained glass there are people who will sell there work for little more than the cost of materials. This does nothing more for the art as a whole than to support their individual glass habit. It debases the general demand by providing artificially low comparison prices and hurts people who are serious about their work. You should keep job cards, or some form of record, in which you include your costs including a markup to cover shipping and the time you take for ordering, the actual time you spend on each project, and something for overhead. Even if you don't have commercial rent to pay, it costs you in time to keep books, and it cost you more for promotion, shows, etc. I find that its helpful to keep track of the different aspects of the job. Puttying takes longer than you might guess without your records. After a while, you will find that you have a very useful resource for estimating in your job cards. How much are you worth? That times time plus material is your asking price. And once you quote your price shut up. The first one who talks looses. I always think its kind of sad to hear an artist talk me out of paying full price, but I never stop them. Most big studios quote by the square foot. Complexity is also a big factor, but its very hard to determine that in the initial bidding. I usually give the prospective client a range, and then try to get them to tell me where they are in that range. My final pricing on a job is based on a minimum price per piece, compared to a minimum price per square foot, plus the cost of material. Other factors can include how busy the studio is, and whether the client show signs of being a pain. No, we don't take every job, and there are bids we loose to lower bidders, but we still manage to stay busy. Remember that if you bid too low to do good work your reputation will suffer, and you won't get a chance to do the really great jobs. Good luck! I hope you get lots of responses. I'm interested to hear what others have to say. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 19:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:01:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:10:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.151058.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: ..................(stuff snipped) > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert > -- No, Albert, no, no. Go ahead and tell us interesting stuff. Dorothy Kalahan coming at you from a different mailbox ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 19:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: " BOB DUCHESNEAU" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:10:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.10101.0> Precedence: bulk Is dumping glass scraps on the beach, re-cycling as it is primarily sand to start with? enjoy, H You could tumble it and sell it for fish tank gravel, give buckets of it for anyone to play with (usually only once). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 19:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:50:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:49:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.24914.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 19:19:42 EST, alewis@vgernet.net writes: << Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the Guild, should just dummy up? >> Absolutely not!!! IMHO, of course. What you tell us is glass related, so I don't agree with the opposition . From my recollection you keep it quite short and refer those interested to a specific web site. Those not interested can "click on by" or delete. If censoring continues there won't be much of bungi left. There appears to have already been a major decrease in postings since the last "conflict" and people appear alot more hesitant to comment for fear of offending and/or being attacked. Please continue posting Guild information, Albert. For that matter any remotely glass related information will probably be helpful to someone. Thanks for all your help and keeping everyone posted!!! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 19:59:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:31:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:26:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.142647.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hey Chief Clerk! I don't mind references to the Guild...I don't really see you mentioning it all that much and besides, it's part of you and it IS connected to glass, which is why we're all here right? We're here to share ideas and learn from each other. If you're not allowed to mention the Guild, then others won't be allowed to mention their own businesses either. Freedom of speech I say. > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 20:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:33:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:26:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199803240232.CAA31921@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear "Chief Clerk" Do not take the blindest bit of notice.! There are always "wingers" about! You know what they say; You can please most of the people some of the time; you can please some of the people most of the time; You cannot please ALL the people ALL the time..... Keep on plugging! I usually read of all the wonderful events totally GREEN WITH ENVY ; cannot be there, cannot share, cannot see. But I sure as hell enjoy HEARING about all these wonderful meetings, events, exhibitions and so on. Hopefully we ALL strive to become more knowledgable, more professional, more adventurous in stained glass (...and more able to teach and pass on to the next generation...).. IGGA has an important role to play in achieving all of this. I congratulate you on your post as Director for the College in Switzerland. That is truly an accolade which I know most people in USA don't quite appreciate (it's too far away!! .... and it's over HERE! It's too remote!) What I want to know is, Are you going to remain the Albert I know, or are you going to become overpowered by the notorious "Old Boys' Club" network? How much time you will spend over here?? Another question to you; in your new position/situation, what ideas have you to put forward to endeavour the "raprochement" between European and American stained glass perceptions? How long is the appointment for? I for one would enjoy very much banging on your door in Geneva and say: Hey! join me for a beer!! Since hearing about your appointment, I have had a rush of unspoken questions about the practical implications of the appointment.... I am quite happy to encourage you to keep on being what you are and doing what you do, and for you to be you, to say what you say. If you get a "winger" or two.... so what...?! Can't please....etc.... By the way ..... loved the beard!! Do you keep bees?? ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Albert wrote: I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, and not-glassy-enough information. I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the Guild, should just dummy up? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 20:29:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:45:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.172727.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert, Please keep posting about the Guild and sites and such. I'm not a member, but I enjoy reading about the Guild, and I like to take a look at the sites you mention. Jerri On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:38:55 +0000 "Albert Lewis" writes: >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? > >Albert _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 20:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.174934.0> References: <<1998Mar23.19572.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Not knowing how long it takes King Neptune to 'finish' beach glass, I wonder what the sand would do to your crab trap, and mesh bag? I have (rarely) found whole bottles, that were rolling around the ocean for a while. Frosted all over. They look really nice in a sunlit window. Almost as good a some of the panels I've done 8^) ItsAlison wrote: > Carl..You have the best idea yet! What I wanted to ask you is this......if a > person were to tie up a few pounds of scrap in a mesh bag, like the ones > onions come in, and maybe put the bag inside a crab trap and suspend it over > the side of a pier or jetty, tied up like that.......for maybe a while (how > long did you say the process takes? LOL) Do you think that when this person > pulled the whole thing back up, it would be loaded with sandblasted red and > blue beach glass????? <> > ~Alison~ -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 21:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:53:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.17535.0> References: <> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Rathe than a few hundred s*bscribers losing the benefit of your willingness to share your knowledge, either as good old Albert, or 'Chief Clerk', why don't you offer to show the offended party how to filter your posts to a killfile??? Albert Lewis wrote: > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 21:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:00:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: What happened then? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199803240402.XAA00390@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk | | If censoring continues there won't be much of bungi left. There appears to | have already been a major decrease in postings since the last "conflict" and | people appear alot more hesitant to comment for fear of offending and/or being | attacked. | Since I came on board, I have seen recurring postings to "the conflict". Can anybody give me (us --the newcommers) an account on what happened then and why this list was unavailable for some time? -- Daniel M. German "When you have removed the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle -> must be the truth." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 21:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:09:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.18913.0> References: <> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Thanks for breaking my bubble about winter finally being over . Spoken by a person who lives in the middle of a beach with no ocean 8^)> Charles Spitzer wrote: > You'd be amazed at all the living things (protozoa, bacteria, worms, etc) in > sea water that can grow quite well in you and make you really sick. an open > wound in fresh sea water is almost as bad as mom kissing your cut knee. > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Phoenix, AZ -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 22:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:44:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: newsgroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Small scraps of glass Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.12376.0> Precedence: bulk I have taken various bright colors and made petal shapes, leaves, tree trunks, clouds, sun, moon, and geometric shapes. I grind all of the edges and invite small groups of children as young as 5 over to make stepping stones. Each child is given a paper with the size of the mold drawn on it. After the child designs their stone I mix the cement and pour into the mold. The children place their design into the cement. I am always amazed at their creativity. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 22:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:53:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Margaret41@aol.com Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.194827.0> References: <<1998Mar23.3225.0>> Precedence: bulk If you are getting this oxidation frequently, is it possible that you are leaving pinholes in your solder? If so, these holes are filled with flux that washing can't get out, but will leach out over time and cause corrosion. As for the halo effect on your glass. That is known as a flux stain. They are more prevalent on some types of glass than others and are worsened if you leave flux on your work too long. The only cleaner that I have found that can get it off is "The Stain Remover That Really Works" by Novacan. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 23:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Shameless Promotion Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:52:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.195222.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to invite you to check out our two new patterns, called Uplight/Downlight! at the Dodge Studio Designs website. Also a new glass tip for March, and some additions at the help desk. http://www.dodgestudio.com Gary Dodge _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 23:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:43:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:43:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.54335.0> Precedence: bulk O Albert, leader of the glass ones. Speak on and heed not unto the quiblings of the disgruntled. He that has a delete button may use it to his liking. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 23:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:23:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: guild Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:22:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.142229.0> Precedence: bulk At least for once I am NOT on the firing line over this one. The guild posts are at least somewhat glass related. Easy enough to relegate Albert to the delete file should you so desire. I have not sent him that way. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 23 23:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:36:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: P D RUSS To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:36:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.63618.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 19:03:39 EST, you write: << If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. Bob >> I hate to say this but most beaches don't allow glass bottles because they don't want people stepping on broken glass. Some charge fines. I would hate to think what they would do to people to deliberately dumping broken glass. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 00:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:15:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Beach Glass - what now? Ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.15818.0> Precedence: bulk Well Carl Better post warnings on the beaches where you are dumping glass to prevent children and other barefooted creatures may walk (if you have ever seen a child with a badly cut foot from beach glass, you may think twice about this policy). B-) Also, ocean currents don't generally take broken glass anywhere, they don't float! -----Original Message----- From: Carl Childers [SMTP:shyguy@vdot.net] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:59 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Next time you are near the ocean, dump the whole box off shore. A 'beach brain' activity very popular at shore side summer communities is searching for beach glass. Beach glass is any scrap of glass from bottles or whatever that has been 'sand blasted' after following whatever ocean currents take it from there to here. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 01:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com, PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE:Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue Mar 24 00:16:26 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar24.102748gmt+0100.19587@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk P D RUSS: >In a message dated 98-03-23 19:03:39 EST, you write: > ><< > If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a > lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is > likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. > Bob >> > > >I hate to say this but most beaches don't allow glass bottles because they >don't want people stepping on broken glass. Some charge fines. I would hate to >think what they would do to people to deliberately dumping broken glass. > >Dianne I agree with Dianne. However, I have seen in some US magazine a sort of small drum type machine that you load up with an abrasive sand/powder and the glass or "gem stones" and let it tumble for a while. I guess you would get the same sort of effect. Frank ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 01:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:01:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar23.165949.0> References: <> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Well I for one am trying to get into the glass business. That means purchasing materials as well as learning new concepts. I think the guild is very much glass oriented and helpful. Even tho this is a non-profit site we do spend money on this craft/ profession /hobby. Any time someone can help us save some of that money or learn a new way to make more of it, I am all for it. Albert Lewis wrote: > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 01:42:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:47:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: luton.ac.uk!david.outram From: david.outram@luton.ac.uk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:47:24 GMT Message-ID: <1998Mar24.84724.0> Organization: University of Luton Precedence: bulk Hi all, aroused from perpetual lurking... reading the respones to what to do with the scrap bits, I just wondered if anyone has tried mealting the glass bits together and seeing what effects are obtained, eg, making a vase former and coving with bits then heating together. I don't know if this would work due to different properties but would be interested to find out if anyone had tried it and their results. Thanks and back to lurking... > > -- > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative > altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's > most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for > others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 02:25:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:51:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: luton.ac.uk!david.outram From: david.outram@luton.ac.uk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE:Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:48:12 GMT Message-ID: <1998Mar24.94812.0> Organization: University of Luton Precedence: bulk Hi all, sorry if you get two mails from me but, I'm not sure if I sent it originally as I forgot to copy myself in. This question on small scraps of glass aroused me from my luking mode to ask the following..... Has anyone tried to mealt the pieces together. eg made a former of a vase put different pieces over it and heat it till it fuses. If so what effects did you obtain. Sorry if this is a basic question but I'm interested in the outcome as apossible means if disposing of waste usefully, and I don't really know if it is at all possible because of the different properties of the various glasses. Thanks and back to lurking..... From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 03:36:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:40:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: do I keep bees? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:47:39 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > You can please most of the people some of the time; > you can please some of the people most of the time; > You cannot please ALL the people ALL the time..... > Keep on plugging! That was our own Abe Lincoln who said that (he had a beard, too). Glad my posts are interesting (and tantalizing) for you, Elisabeth. > I congratulate you on your > post as Director for the College in Switzerland. ... > want to know is, Are you going to remain the Albert I know, or are > you going to become overpowered by the notorious "Old Boys' Club" > network? How much time you will spend over here?? Thanks. I'm going to remain the Albert you know only more so. I'll be in Switzerland late April/early May for a couple of days as part of a swing from Scotland, where my wife has to speak to a glass restoration conference on May 5. She's then doing some continuing research on Arts & Crafts glass in Scotland, following the trail of early American glassmakers, then I'll continue on to the school for a couple of days before coming back. No time for England this time, alas, though I'd love to take you up on your oft-repeated invitations. Next time, perhaps. > Another question to you; in your new > position/situation, what ideas have you to put forward to endeavour > the "raprochement" between European and American stained glass > perceptions? > How long is the appointment for? I guess until I mess up in a major way. As for rapprochement, I'm not sure there's such a great rift between Euro and American perceptions of stained glass ... what differences do you see? > By the way ..... loved the beard!! > Do you keep bees?? ;-> My dad and I kept about 70 hives, but that was 30 years ago when I couldn't even *raise a beard. You like it? My 16-year-old thinks I'm trying to be some kind of mountain man, but my wife likes it, so I guess the world's stuck with it for a while at least. I wonder how long it'll take to reach ZZTop proportions. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 03:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 'nuf said Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:47:40 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > informative sites. but from what I see so far it's > complainers - 1 > pro IGGA - a distinct majority > but I think you probably knew that would be the case. and the "cuts no ice, > apparently" may have been a little tongue in cheek Ouch. I made a pun and didn't even realize it. Thanks for your comments, Glenn, and thanks to everyone else. I kinda thought (hoped) I wasn't stepping on anyone's (well, one set, I guess) toes (too much), so thanks again everyone and 'nuf said on the subject. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 03:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:13:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: guild and posts Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.11426.0> Precedence: bulk It's u-namimous then. Keep the posts up. Most of us who cared to reply = enjoy the information and asking you to stop is akin to asking someone = else who is interested in say mosaics to only post about stained = glass. Too limiting. I want all the infor I can process and then be left = to decide what iws important to me and when.=20 Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 04:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:18:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: I/V bag for water drip Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:20:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.12024.0> Precedence: bulk I had the misfortune of going to the emergency room this weekend with a = severe case of hives - reaction to an antiboitic, I think. They gave me = I/V's of prednisone and benedryl. The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the = tubing and valves. I hung the bag on a hook above my grinder. And the = part where the needle was is just above my grinder sponge. I can control = the drip with the little shunt and it really is great. Because it is = only dripping when I need it, a little bag lasts an evening and I can = refil the next day. No more dry grinder wheel.=20 I know alot of you dislike the water on the glass but to me the wetter = the better. It saves the wheel and seems to grind much faster. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 06:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:37:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.123724.0> Precedence: bulk Absolutely not. As a long time lurker, I know that all the information you dispense is helpful. Since Glenna is the sponsor of the group, and she hasn't asked to curtail your comments, no one else has the right to ask you to limit your responses. This is a help group and you are one of the prime helpers, in all your personae. Elsie At 05:38 PM 3/23/98 +0000, you wrote: >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 06:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:44:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Grinding bits Date: Tue Mar 24 04:42:55 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar24.145422gmt+0100.19591@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings, Does anyone know if it is possible to have grinder bits "re-surfaced" ? I use 1/2 inch bits on my grinder and find that after some use the abrasive coating peels off in fairly large pieces. From experience I have learned to move my bit down below the working surface of my grinder slowly (i.e after so many hours of use)as it wears so as to avoid a worn spot. Is there something else I can do to further extend the life of my bit ( :p yeah!! better cutting and less grinding, Ha ha!) If the above process is possible: Where? How much? Worth it? Thanks Frank ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 07:19:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:11:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Non-glass question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:18:06 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Say, since I design and maintain the Guild's glass-oriented web site (and a few others besides) and make a special effort to make that site (and the others) easily accessible, would you mind answering a question? If while using the web you come to a site (or part of a site) that requires a "plug-in" to view special applications or hear sound bites, do you as a rule download and install the plug-in ... or do you usually *not do that? Just curious ... reply directly to me, please, so as to not clog up bungi with your responses. Thanks. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 08:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: "Daniel M. German" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980324095249.00705d6c@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk >Since I came on board, I have seen recurring postings to "the >conflict". Can anybody give me (us --the newcommers) an account on >what happened then and why this list was unavailable for some time? > > Undoubtedly you have gotten a few private explanations about "the conflict", and I would say for the most part if anyone tells you what it was allllllll about publicly they would be booted from the list. For those who can't read all the private explanations, just know that it was all out warfare and the list got suspended for a few days because of it, and we all suffered bungi withdrawal. So I can understand why a few people (most perhaps) are a little leary of posting their opinions on the list. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Bellefontaine, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:55:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "glass@ bungie.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I/V bag for water drip Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:58:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.25843.0> Precedence: bulk The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the tubing and valves. = Sounds like a great idea to me. Would one have to go to the ER to obtain a bag? (I've had enough of hospitals lately) ;-) Anyone know a source where one could purchase such an item? Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:04:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:00:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:59:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.145915.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I for one appreciate all the references to the guild. I enjoy looking at new things and learning as well. Laurean _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:06:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803241505.KAA03297@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, Well is there anything else they don't want us talking about????? Are we going to make a list??? And I guess all of us who work professionally can't talk about our studios and our commissions and most of all our suppliers and oh yes, all those informative ideas???? And the location of my site??? which happens to be http://www.waterw.com/~artglass We happen to be a corporation....for profit...cause it happens to pay for the food. Albert I don't ever think that you misuse any bandwidth or take advantage of anything on this list. Some folks I think just have to much time on their hands. But I would be interested in who it is and why they are sick and tired? Inquiring minds want to know. my best, pj whose site is listed at http://www.waterw.com/~artglass >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:07:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: heat checking by design Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803241505.KAA03286@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk len, can i suggest that you pop those pieces into a crock pot with some vermiculite for an overnite? Just to make sure that they have some annealing. my best, pj >glassfolks, > > >I am in the final design stages for a door lite for my own home. Yippee! > >I have decided to incorporate an elaborate *piece intensive* multi -coursed >border into the design. Some of the main design will flow out and be >superimposed over the border.... a design device that I have used in the >past with good results. I like the look of the added depth. > >Anyway, what I plan to do is have the outermost border a bright detailed >small piece geometric, and the inner just a narrow, dark , single color >strip border. In between I want a random organic looking style (to >complement the strong organic oriental elements in the main motif.) >Something like a crackle. I am trying to create the illusion of an ornate >stepped frame. > >I have experimented by heating 3/4 inch wide strips of thin antique with a >propane torch and then spritzing them with a spray bottle containing water >and also spraying the glass with water then heating with the torch. The >results are some interesting heat checking. I then foil the pieces back >together being careful not to foil all the way to the edge. Since I am not >able compensate for the foil thickness when I reassemble the sections, I can >grind the edges flush again without running over the foil and solder and the >unfoiled gaps will be hidden under the came. The heat check cracks take on >attractive twists and turns that would be impossible to duplicate with a >glass cutter. Looks good to me. > >Has anyone worked with anything similiar to this *accident art* technique? >I guess my only real concern is the stability of the glass after being >exposed to this type of stress. I tried using thicker glass but the >resultent checking patterns were not as convoluted and sort of defeated the >purpose. If I use too much heat on the thick pieces the glass just shatters. > >Thanks > >Len > >**** Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ **** > > > > > > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:39:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.5352.0> References: <<199803240402.XAA00390@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > | > | If censoring continues there won't be much of bungi left. There appears to > | have already been a major decrease in postings since the last "conflict" and > | people appear alot more hesitant to comment for fear of offending and/or being > | attacked. > | > > Since I came on board, I have seen recurring postings to "the > conflict". Can anybody give me (us --the newcommers) an account on > what happened then and why this list was unavailable for some time? > > -- without starting the fire again, it went something like this: a few people (mainly in the UK), asked if some people would edit down their messages because it's expensive to download the larger files (though really not by much).... anyway with that said, some of the people mentioned that their not going to edit. i'll edit out a double maybe a single bungi sig. or if the sig is too long. other's think it's better to clip out the exact sentance that their responding to. but i never like this format because it took a long time to do it, and is only affective for a few posts. other's don't quote at all. stating that "you should be following along, and you should know what was last said". problem is, people will respond to the question, and then other's will respond to the response. and if there's no quotes anywhere, it's confusing. it's like having just the word "no", and that's it... anyway... it seems that this issue was bothering some people more than other's. the people in question (mainly me, for some reason i was singled out); tried to lay low. but then the insults started to fly, and some fairly mean. and then i had to fight back, and from there, there must have been over 200 messages on this topic mainly name calling in one form or another. totally defeating the original perpose. because now the UK's had to download 50 times more mail. alot of them overly quoted (to prove some kind of point). it got so bad that Dave Rand shut the list off for a few days, and all was quiet. alot of people came to my defense, stating that that don't mind my format of response. they know to scroll down to the bottom and read the knowledge. unfortunally other's don't and either flamed me in private or erases it (like a care). while still one more bounced back my mail, in a babyish attempt to prove something (and still is). i'm still not sure why i was singled out. i did'nt even notice that i posted that much. i guess my name just pops up the most. other's don't edit either. to me it was/is a read and delete situation. so.... dave turned the list back on (this all happened about 1-2 months ago). but he changed the format so that when you push RE: it goes to the sender of the original message. it used to go to the glass@bungi... which is what a listserv is. someone asks a question and everyone (not just the poster), here's the response. and then people respond to the response. however there's a flaw to that plan. #1. this was stated in the above paragraph, no one else here's the response. #2. for some reason the RE:ALL does'nt always work, when it goes through the bungi machine, it puts the sig line on, and re-distributes with a non bungi email address... confusing things even more. so now the list suffers somewhat because of the new format. and although he did mention why he thinks this was is better, i still don't see how. it's not set up like a listserv, it's set up like a newsgroup. so now people want to stay quiet - or risk the group going down. there afraid to stray. yes talking about non-stained glass things, is'nt terrific. but basically it's a cocktail party and everyone is'nt always going to be talking about the same subject. and the straying is always that bad. a handfull of posts at most. so becuase of a few very selfish people (the one's who had the hardest feelings about editing), runied the list for the rest of us... the end.. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 09:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:10:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.5529.0> References: <<1998Mar23.142647.0>> Precedence: bulk Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy) wrote: > > Hey Chief Clerk! I don't mind references to the Guild...I don't really > see you mentioning it all that much and besides, it's part of you and it > IS connected to glass, which is why we're all here right? We're here to > share ideas and learn from each other. If you're not allowed to mention > the Guild, then others won't be allowed to mention their own businesses > either. Freedom of speech I say. > > > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > > and not-glassy-enough information. > > > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > > Guild, should just dummy up? > > > > Albert > > ---- who was the person/people who mentioned it? i wonder if it's the same person who keeps badgering me... (which by the way i'm not going to change, so think about that, then think about bouncing it the rest of your life...) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 10:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:14:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" , Subject: Re: guild Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:13:19 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "guild" on Mar 23, 22:22, "Howard and Elaine Rubin" writes:] > At least for once I am NOT on the firing line over this one. > > The guild posts are at least somewhat glass related. > I think Albert's postings are definately glass related and very informative. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 10:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:16:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.51153.0> References: <<1998Mar23.17535.0>> Precedence: bulk Carl Childers wrote: > > Rathe than a few hundred s*bscribers losing the benefit of your > willingness to share your knowledge, either as good old Albert, or 'Chief > Clerk', why don't you offer to show the offended party how to filter your > posts to a killfile??? > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > > and not-glassy-enough information. > > > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > > Guild, should just dummy up? > > > > Albert basically that's what they can do. soon they'll wind up deleting all the major posters and they'll be left with nothing. there's already at least one guy who, when see's my name deletes it automatically, becuase somehow he's offended by a slight quote. but if you don't quote no one knows what your talking about. sig lines should stay in. mine are always in. so the people who don't want to see it, delete it. stop complaining. because before you know it, the list will be just lurkers. because you either chased away all the good posters, or are deleting them because of one thing or another. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 13:03:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:07:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: heat checking by design Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199803241505.KAA03286@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk len, can i suggest that you pop those pieces into a crock pot with some vermiculite for an overnite? Just to make sure that they have some annealing. my best, pj >glassfolks, > > >I am in the final design stages for a door lite for my own home. Yippee! > >I have decided to incorporate an elaborate *piece intensive* multi -coursed >border into the design. Some of the main design will flow out and be >superimposed over the border.... a design device that I have used in the >past with good results. I like the look of the added depth. > >Anyway, what I plan to do is have the outermost border a bright detailed >small piece geometric, and the inner just a narrow, dark , single color >strip border. In between I want a random organic looking style (to >complement the strong organic oriental elements in the main motif.) >Something like a crackle. I am trying to create the illusion of an ornate >stepped frame. > >I have experimented by heating 3/4 inch wide strips of thin antique with a >propane torch and then spritzing them with a spray bottle containing water >and also spraying the glass with water then heating with the torch. The >results are some interesting heat checking. I then foil the pieces back >together being careful not to foil all the way to the edge. Since I am not >able compensate for the foil thickness when I reassemble the sections, I can >grind the edges flush again without running over the foil and solder and the >unfoiled gaps will be hidden under the came. The heat check cracks take on >attractive twists and turns that would be impossible to duplicate with a >glass cutter. Looks good to me. > >Has anyone worked with anything similiar to this *accident art* technique? >I guess my only real concern is the stability of the glass after being >exposed to this type of stress. I tried using thicker glass but the >resultent checking patterns were not as convoluted and sort of defeated the >purpose. If I use too much heat on the thick pieces the glass just shatters. > >Thanks > >Len > >**** Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ **** > > > > > > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 13:05:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:10:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.5529.0> References: <<1998Mar23.142647.0>> Precedence: bulk Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy) wrote: > > Hey Chief Clerk! I don't mind references to the Guild...I don't really > see you mentioning it all that much and besides, it's part of you and it > IS connected to glass, which is why we're all here right? We're here to > share ideas and learn from each other. If you're not allowed to mention > the Guild, then others won't be allowed to mention their own businesses > either. Freedom of speech I say. > > > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > > and not-glassy-enough information. > > > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > > Guild, should just dummy up? > > > > Albert > > ---- who was the person/people who mentioned it? i wonder if it's the same person who keeps badgering me... (which by the way i'm not going to change, so think about that, then think about bouncing it the rest of your life...) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 13:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:58:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sigh. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:22:58 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: What happened then?" on Mar 24, 10:35, "M. Savad" writes:] > so.... dave turned the list back on (this all happened about 1-2 months > ago). but he changed the format so that when you push RE: it goes to the > sender of the original message. it used to go to the glass@bungi... > which is what a listserv is. someone asks a question and everyone (not > just the poster), here's the response. and then people respond to the > response. I run many mailing lists, and host lots of them. Glenna runs the Stained glass list. I also participate in many mailing lists. Once mailing lists grow beyond a certain size, the reply-to-sender (rather than list) option is almost always invoked, as the volume of mail that is non-list related usually becomes intolerable. That's what happened on the glass list. When I queried the people on the list about the change, I got far more positive comments than negative. It *has* decreased the noise level. The list is more readable. Life is better than before. -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:39:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.5352.0> References: <<199803240402.XAA00390@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk Daniel M. German wrote: > > | > | If censoring continues there won't be much of bungi left. There appears to > | have already been a major decrease in postings since the last "conflict" and > | people appear alot more hesitant to comment for fear of offending and/or being > | attacked. > | > > Since I came on board, I have seen recurring postings to "the > conflict". Can anybody give me (us --the newcommers) an account on > what happened then and why this list was unavailable for some time? > > -- without starting the fire again, it went something like this: a few people (mainly in the UK), asked if some people would edit down their messages because it's expensive to download the larger files (though really not by much).... anyway with that said, some of the people mentioned that their not going to edit. i'll edit out a double maybe a single bungi sig. or if the sig is too long. other's think it's better to clip out the exact sentance that their responding to. but i never like this format because it took a long time to do it, and is only affective for a few posts. other's don't quote at all. stating that "you should be following along, and you should know what was last said". problem is, people will respond to the question, and then other's will respond to the response. and if there's no quotes anywhere, it's confusing. it's like having just the word "no", and that's it... anyway... it seems that this issue was bothering some people more than other's. the people in question (mainly me, for some reason i was singled out); tried to lay low. but then the insults started to fly, and some fairly mean. and then i had to fight back, and from there, there must have been over 200 messages on this topic mainly name calling in one form or another. totally defeating the original perpose. because now the UK's had to download 50 times more mail. alot of them overly quoted (to prove some kind of point). it got so bad that Dave Rand shut the list off for a few days, and all was quiet. alot of people came to my defense, stating that that don't mind my format of response. they know to scroll down to the bottom and read the knowledge. unfortunally other's don't and either flamed me in private or erases it (like a care). while still one more bounced back my mail, in a babyish attempt to prove something (and still is). i'm still not sure why i was singled out. i did'nt even notice that i posted that much. i guess my name just pops up the most. other's don't edit either. to me it was/is a read and delete situation. so.... dave turned the list back on (this all happened about 1-2 months ago). but he changed the format so that when you push RE: it goes to the sender of the original message. it used to go to the glass@bungi... which is what a listserv is. someone asks a question and everyone (not just the poster), here's the response. and then people respond to the response. however there's a flaw to that plan. #1. this was stated in the above paragraph, no one else here's the response. #2. for some reason the RE:ALL does'nt always work, when it goes through the bungi machine, it puts the sig line on, and re-distributes with a non bungi email address... confusing things even more. so now the list suffers somewhat because of the new format. and although he did mention why he thinks this was is better, i still don't see how. it's not set up like a listserv, it's set up like a newsgroup. so now people want to stay quiet - or risk the group going down. there afraid to stray. yes talking about non-stained glass things, is'nt terrific. but basically it's a cocktail party and everyone is'nt always going to be talking about the same subject. and the straying is always that bad. a handfull of posts at most. so becuase of a few very selfish people (the one's who had the hardest feelings about editing), runied the list for the rest of us... the end.. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:59:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:23:45 -0600 Message-ID: <199803241922.NAA01657@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk To the list I am very disappointed that the information, as presented below, is filled with out of context paraphrasing. It is in fact a one sided subjective interpretation of the issue we discussed. Albert, you have my permission to foward to the list the text of our recent off-list conversations concerning the excessive inclusion of hyperlinks and references only to the commercial entities that you are associated with " in the body of your messages " I have nothing to hide. Of course the only stipulation would be that you also include your reponses, unedited, to what I firmly believe was a simple and fair request. It would be a equitable starting point. Don't you agree? Len ***** Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ ***** >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:14:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" , Subject: Re: guild Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:13:19 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "guild" on Mar 23, 22:22, "Howard and Elaine Rubin" writes:] > At least for once I am NOT on the firing line over this one. > > The guild posts are at least somewhat glass related. > I think Albert's postings are definately glass related and very informative. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: "Albert Lewis" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:35:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980324143508.007df140@mail.tznet.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk The Guild concerns us all, and it is not like it is a big mega corporation making profit off all us little guys. Pat At 05:38 PM 3/23/98 +0000, Albert Lewis wrote: >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:38:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, lcbell@memach.com Subject: I/V bag for water drip Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:15:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199803241815.NAA09280@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Linda writes: >I know a lot of you dislike the water on the glass but to me the wetter >the better. It saves the wheel and seems to grind much faster. Yes, to saves the wheel and faster grinding. The best part about using enough water may be the fact that it also keeps the glass dust down and out of your lungs. Dry grinding is not a good practice. Bob Ps: Keep it up Albert. We need someone to exchange rocks with. :-) ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:16:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.51153.0> References: <<1998Mar23.17535.0>> Precedence: bulk Carl Childers wrote: > > Rathe than a few hundred s*bscribers losing the benefit of your > willingness to share your knowledge, either as good old Albert, or 'Chief > Clerk', why don't you offer to show the offended party how to filter your > posts to a killfile??? > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > > and not-glassy-enough information. > > > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > > Guild, should just dummy up? > > > > Albert basically that's what they can do. soon they'll wind up deleting all the major posters and they'll be left with nothing. there's already at least one guy who, when see's my name deletes it automatically, becuase somehow he's offended by a slight quote. but if you don't quote no one knows what your talking about. sig lines should stay in. mine are always in. so the people who don't want to see it, delete it. stop complaining. because before you know it, the list will be just lurkers. because you either chased away all the good posters, or are deleting them because of one thing or another. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:47:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:47:42 -0600 Message-ID: <199803241546.JAA10736@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk To the list I am very disappointed that the information, as presented below, is filled with out of context paraphrasing. It is in fact a one sided subjective interpretation of the issue we discussed. Albert, you have my permission to foward to the list the text of our recent off-list conversations concerning the excessive inclusion of hyperlinks and references only to the commercial entities that you are associated with " in the body of your messages " I have nothing to hide. Of course the only stipulation would be that you also include your reponses, unedited, to what I firmly believe was a simple and fair request. It would be a equitable starting point. Don't you agree? Len ***** Fight spam! Join CAUCE http://www.cauce.org/ ***** >I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its >programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this >person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to >Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial >advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using >precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, >and not-glassy-enough information. > >I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the >group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > >Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >Guild, should just dummy up? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 14:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:56:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:51:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.55141.0> References: <<1998Mar24.63618.0>> Precedence: bulk P D RUSS wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-23 19:03:39 EST, you write: > > << > If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a > lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is > likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. > Bob >> > > I hate to say this but most beaches don't allow glass bottles because they > don't want people stepping on broken glass. Some charge fines. I would hate to > think what they would do to people to deliberately dumping broken glass. > > Dianne > ---- especially very tracable stained glass - glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:00:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:59:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.15599.0> Precedence: bulk The product I use to treat oxidation is lemon oil. I use a q-tip or cotton ball and rub the area with the oxidation. I leave it on for awhile and just repolish with kem-pro or wax. This seems to treat the problem. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: david.outram@luton.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.55554.0> References: <<1998Mar24.94812.0>> Precedence: bulk david.outram@luton.ac.uk wrote: > > Hi all, sorry if you get two mails from me but, I'm not sure if I > sent it originally as I forgot to copy myself in. > > This question on small scraps of glass aroused me from my luking mode > to ask the following..... > > Has anyone tried to mealt the pieces together. eg made a former of a > vase put different pieces over it and heat it till it fuses. If so > what effects did you obtain. Sorry if this is a basic question but > I'm interested in the outcome as apossible means if disposing of > waste usefully, and I don't really know if it is at all possible > because of the different properties of the various glasses. > > Thanks and back to lurking..... well first of all the glass has to be compatible. other wise the glass will crack. second, not all glass fuses well some of it turns icky colors. and thirdly, to form glass over a shape, it needs to be a flat sheet. otherwise the glass wall fall off of the form, and blob up. however the scrap can be made into a 3-d mosiac. by using a form and foiling and soldering the glass together. it will look a little messy, but if you like it, then okie doke. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: WhispyBlu@aol.com, alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:06:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.16655.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 22:46:53 EST, WhispyBlu@aol.com writes: << If censoring continues there won't be much of bungi left. There appears to have already been a major decrease in postings since the last "conflict" and people appear alot more hesitant to comment for fear of offending and/or being attacked. Please continue posting Guild information, Albert. For that matter any remotely glass related information will probably be helpful to someone. Thanks for all your help and keeping everyone posted!!! Lu Ann >> I agree with Lu Ann and with all of the others who have written to say they would like to continue to have guild information occasionaly included here. I also agree that the owners of this list should have significant imput as to what goes on here. I dont know who asked you this "favor" but I think if people here want this information, they should be able to receive it. On this list and on other lists I subscribe to, I have noticed that any time the discussion gets too close to some "real issues"...issues that are controversial just because they are so important to many of the people there ......the "offense takers" suddenly appear, trying to quiet the whole thing down. These are usually bread and butter issues that involve money somewhere along the line. That is why I am so baffled about this guild issue...I simply dont understand it. Perhaps in time I will come to see just what is involved here. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "glasschic" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:35:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199803241621.IAA00951@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Suggest you go to archives of a couple months back and review the posts. Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---------- > From: glasschic > To: Daniel M. German ; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: What happened then? > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 6:52 AM > > > >Since I came on board, I have seen recurring postings to "the > >conflict". Can anybody give me (us --the newcommers) an account on > >what happened then and why this list was unavailable for some time? > > > > > > Undoubtedly you have gotten a few private explanations about "the > conflict", and I would say for the most part if anyone tells you what it > was allllllll about publicly they would be booted from the list. For those > who can't read all the private explanations, just know that it was all out > warfare and the list got suspended for a few days because of it, and we all > suffered bungi withdrawal. So I can understand why a few people (most > perhaps) are a little leary of posting their opinions on the list. > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Bellefontaine, Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:10:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Giraffe Finished! Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:51 -0800 Message-ID: <199803241555.HAA29759@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Susan, Thanks for sharing - your giraffe looks great! What a beautiful job you did (and you were apprehensive?). He really looks impressive. You deserve to be very proud of this work, your first large one. Now, what is your next challenge? If any of the listers have not seen Susans' giraffe (and you have an interest in wild animals), do ask her to share it with you. She really did a great job. Jean jean@lasercom.net ICQ #7131940 NetMeeting: Bonnie Nrmn ils1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:45:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.64534.0> References: <<98Mar24.102748gmt+0100.19587@michelle.magnet.mt>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Just to satisfy the safety concerned people on the list I said dump it in the ocean, not on the beach. By the time the glass amkes it to the beach, the edges are rounded. I have a bigger problem with medical waste being dumped with trash at the mouth of NY harbor. The hypodermic needles washing up on Long Island and New Jersey beaches is a bigger health problem to me IMHO Mizzi Frank at MITTS wrote: > P D RUSS: > >In a message dated 98-03-23 19:03:39 EST, you write: > > > ><< > > If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a > > lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is > > likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. > > Bob >> > > > > > >I hate to say this but most beaches don't allow glass bottles because they > >don't want people stepping on broken glass. Some charge fines. I would hate to > >think what they would do to people to deliberately dumping broken glass. > > > >Dianne > > I agree with Dianne. > However, I have seen in some US magazine a sort of small drum type machine that > you load up with an abrasive sand/powder and the glass or "gem stones" and let > it tumble for a while. > I guess you would get the same sort of effect. > > Frank > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:36:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:53:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: heat checking by design Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:54:47 -0600 Message-ID: <199803242252.QAA24228@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >len, > >can i suggest that you pop those pieces into a crock pot with some vermiculite >for an overnite? Just to make sure that they have some annealing. Anneal them.... of course. Boy, out of the biz for a while and I'm slipping already. :-) Thanks Len ***** Fight spam! Join CUACE http://www.cauce.org/ ***** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:12:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:07:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.16721.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-24 04:00:38 EST, frank.g.mizzi@magnet.mt writes: << a sort of small drum type machine that you load up with an abrasive sand/powder and the glass or "gem stones" and let it tumble for a while. I guess you would get the same sort of effect. >> Has anyone tried this yet? I've been considering buying a glass tumbler (the kiddie version first to see if it works) just to make "beach glass." If you've tried this, could you please post your results? Including how and how long you had to keep it tumbling? Thank you! And Albert, please continue to share whatever information and thoughts you care to, disregarding the one with the unused delete button. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:51:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Mizzi Frank at MITTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinding bits Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:08:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.6852.0> References: <<98Mar24.145422gmt+0100.19591@michelle.magnet.mt>> Precedence: bulk Mizzi Frank at MITTS wrote: > > Greetings, > > Does anyone know if it is possible to have grinder bits "re-surfaced" ? > > I use 1/2 inch bits on my grinder and find that after some use the abrasive > coating peels off in fairly large pieces. From experience I have learned to > move my bit down below the working surface of my grinder slowly (i.e after so > many hours of use)as it wears so as to avoid a worn spot. > > Is there something else I can do to further extend the life of my bit ( :p > yeah!! better cutting and less grinding, Ha ha!) > > If the above process is possible: Where? How much? Worth it? > > Thanks > Frank > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the only real way is to use water in the grinder, and some coolant does'nt hurt either. if the diamond un-bonds itself i would contact the company, or the store you got it at. also try not to push to hard, that should help a little. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:17:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:12:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.61222.0> References: <<1998Mar24.12024.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I had the misfortune of going to the emergency room this weekend with a = > severe case of hives - reaction to an antiboitic, I think. They gave me = > I/V's of prednisone and benedryl. > > The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the = > tubing and valves. I hung the bag on a hook above my grinder. And the = > part where the needle was is just above my grinder sponge. I can control = > the drip with the little shunt and it really is great. Because it is = > only dripping when I need it, a little bag lasts an evening and I can = > refil the next day. No more dry grinder wheel.=20 > > I know alot of you dislike the water on the glass but to me the wetter = > the better. It saves the wheel and seems to grind much faster. > in any case the grinder should ALWAYS be WET. it not only saves on wear. it keeps the thermal shock possiblity from ruining your glass. also the glass powder can kill you. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 15:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:49:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Keep on Referring to Guild Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Mar24.04526.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert: Speaking only for myself I would hope that your references be continued. I find them helpful and saves me a lot of time trying to find things. Yes, I am a member of the guild and because of that I was introduced to the bungi talk show. For that I am truly grateful. I have learned far more than I have shared. What I appreciate about your speaking of behalf of the guild is the strong ties to professionalism...not commercialism. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:33:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:32:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.233212.0> Precedence: bulk Please!!!! enough of it already everyone else has kept a low profile on this subject you don't need to start up again no need to make a LONG post about it and lookie I didn't have to copy all the other letters for everone to see what I"m saying deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:09:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carl Childers Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Nature's Sand Etching Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Mar24.05513.0> References: <<1998Mar23.18913.0>> Precedence: bulk If anyone is in a big hurry, try sandblasting the "shards" of glass. Much faster but without the nostalgic thought of letting nature take its course. I was in a beach shop just yesterday...A basket of shards was filled with sand etched shards at 10/$1.00. Just a thought. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:10:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I agree with Lu Ann and with all of the others who have written to say they > would like to continue to have guild information occasionaly included here. I > also agree that the owners of this list should have significant imput as to > what goes on here. I dont know who asked you this "favor" It's not important to say who it was. I'm just always concerned when a "beef" is raised, because I'm afraid that that one person feels the same way others do. That's why I asked the group at large. Apparently, though, the person with the "beef" is all alone on this one, which is a relief, since I'd hate to be offending everyone (or anyone, for that matter). The complainer claimed to represent a group of agitated and angry, bitter and ready-to-bite beefers, but so far nobody's agreed with the "beef" launched at me. The last message from the you'll-notice-unnamed person launched some fairly tasty street words at my unlovely mug, so I've just set a filter to avoid any more evidence of that particular breakdown in rational conversation. Thanks for your comments, Alison. They're much appreciated. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:13:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:20:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass , glasschic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What happened then? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:23:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.52350.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980324095249.00705d6c@mail.bright.net>> Precedence: bulk Uh-oh....I'm going to get the popcorn and a sodapop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:26:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:23:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar24.172312.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-23 19:19:42 EST, you write: << Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, and not-glassy-enough information. I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the Guild, should just dummy up? >> I personally dont have a problem with the helpful hints on where to find things on Net, but the title dropping (and job functions) I could hear less of. I have a consultant, who has been working for me for more than 1 year, who does a lot of the 'I'm so important' - I informed him this morning that he's done at the end of this week...guess just a pet peeve of mine. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:59:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: I/V bag for water drip Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:06:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Sounds like a great idea to me. Would one have to go to the ER to obtain a bag? (I've had enough of hospitals lately) ;-) > Anyone know a source where one could purchase such an item? > Sue Reitmann You might be able to find 'em at medical supply houses, although I'd think that the best way would be to think of any doctors or nurses you're personally acquainted with, since they're likelier to have access to them ... and likelier to understand your personal need. Since used drips will be classified with medical waste, usually a big no-no in the freely-hand-out-to-anyone department, I would think it'd be tough to just walk into the ER and ask for them. I passed the idea on to my wife, who runs a studio, and she thought it was a terrific brainstorm. Such plums and prizes of ideas are exactly why bungi's so great, what? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:35:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:58:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Spectrum pattern - silly question Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.135738.0> Precedence: bulk The Spectrum patter from May of 1993 titled Bowser....it looks like a dog to my husband and lop-eared rabbit to me. Anyone else have an opinion? (It might be posted on the Spectrum site for those who don't have pile of old patterns laying around) Dorothy K (who's just trying to clean up!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 16:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:22:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE:Glass Tumbler (was: Small Scraps of glass--what now?) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:19:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.81917.0> Precedence: bulk We bought a mid-low end rock tumbler to experiment with tumbling glass scraps. It is a Thumler's Tumbler RT-100. The drum holds about a quart. The lid is secured with a rubber o-ring. It cost about $75. There are 4 stages of abrasive. We tumbled about a week at each stage. The glass scraps came out with smooth edges, but the surface was kind of roughed up a little. Kind of like a smooth stone. Not at all glossy like freshly fired glass (which might be what I was expecting - hence, my disappointment). You mix water in the drum with the scraps and abrasive. Water leaked out from the lid with its o-ring mechanism. Not enough to have to stop it and add more during a phase, but enough to make a bit of a mess. I was unimpressed. I've seen less expensive rock tumblers, but given the poor drum closure on ours, I would be hesitant to try an even lower end tumbler unless the closure was of a different design. L. Spangler On Tuesday, March 24, 1998 4:07 PM, SusieHUs [SMTP:SusieHUs@aol.com] wrote: > > Has anyone tried this yet? I've been considering buying a glass tumbler (the > kiddie version first to see if it works) just to make "beach glass." If > you've tried this, could you please post your results? Including how and how > long you had to keep it tumbling? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 17:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:45:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Pat Diacca Topp" , "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:41:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.144111.0> Precedence: bulk Actually Albert, it seems that they want you to dummy down. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Diacca Topp To: Albert Lewis ; glass@bungi.com Date: March 24, 1998 5:58 PM Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor >>Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the >>Guild, should just dummy up? >> >>Albert >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 18:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:53:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glenna, guild, grinders, and bios Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.145217.0> Precedence: bulk Well, gang! Glenna Rand has spoken. She and Dave Rand provide this forum. Let's all take a hint and kill this thread - it's = ancient history. Not to mention, gormless. And just to show that I'm not intimidated by the new format and that I respect the stick-to-glass rule, let me say this once again: If you're using up your grinding heads like ice in the Sahara, your using your grinder waaaayyy too = much. Grinders were never meant to be alternative cutting tools. Learn to cut glass! Discover grozing! Then, if you really must, use a grinder. As an aside, I'm loving the two bio posts on Saturday. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 18:30:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:41:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: david.outram@luton.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:40:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.134015.0> References: <<1998Mar24.94812.0>> Precedence: bulk David, Not so fast to "going back to lurking". We would appreciate a bio from you. In the UK Toby is the bio inforcer of all lurkers. Elisabeth is his mentor. Toby doesn't bite but Elisabeth has a history of ..... ummmm nevermind, just be forewarned. Please send us an informal bio. Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS Toby and Elisabeth, UK is not that big. Where can he go on an island. Sic'em. david.outram@luton.ac.uk wrote: > Thanks and back to lurking..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 19:08:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:15:27 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I have a bigger problem with medical waste being dumped with trash at the mouth of > NY harbor. The hypodermic needles washing up on Long Island and New Jersey beaches > is a bigger health problem to me IMHO Aw, I cleaned that up years ago and haven't done it since, promise! (I don't live in NYC any more, haven't done so for about 12 years now, but it's really a much nicer place since Disney took over Times Square and all the "hookers" are really Disney employees in costume and they're really nice and friendly and talk in this flat Midwestern kind of CBS-delivered chatter? And all the neon's upscale Calvin Klein-like yuppified ... well, NYC has a rep that doesn't have anything to do with the town, but Brooklyn's got UrbanGlass and a millyun glass workshops (back on topic at last) lined up this summer and about half of them have been posted to stainedglassbiz.com's events page, if you're interested in increasing your glass power this summer. See the directions in previous post in re same or in announcement of completed work tomorrow sometime.) Albert (associated with npo really but not in this post) g'night all and thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 19:12:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:45:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.13454.0> References: <<1998Mar24.12024.0>> Precedence: bulk A friend of mine (sure ... like I have any friends), has the same setup for her RBI scroll saw. It works perfectly. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Linda Campbell wrote: > tubing and valves. I hung the bag on a hook above my grinder. And the = > part where the needle was is just above my grinder sponge. I can control = > the drip with the little shunt and it really is great. Because it is = > only dripping when I need it, a little bag lasts an evening and I can = > refil the next day. No more dry grinder wheel.=20> > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 19:42:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MJHiester From: MJHiester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: simple project Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:52:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.15212.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-20 14:56:02 EST, you write: << A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them >> Hello, I have done similar demonstrations in the past (6th and 7th graders in art classes, and once a 4th grade group studying medieval culture). First let me assure you that the children will be fascinated. I spent the night before cutting, grinding, and assembling (just to make sure it fit) a small panel or suncatcher. Lead panel for the medieval group, suncatcher for art class. During the class I did a brief discussion on history, showed off some neat glass, and explained what I was doing as I assembled and began soldering. The soldering part really wows the kids. With a small group they can get up close and see what you are doing and ask questions (they ask LOTS of questions, which is really the fun part). At the end of the class you give the suncatcher to the teacher. I don't think I would offer the chance to cut, grind, or foil glass for a couple of reasons: 1. Remember the trouble we all had when we first started. You don't want to discourage upcoming glass folk. Two and a half hours sounds like a lot of time, but it goes fast, and you want to finish your project if possible. In my experience, seeing someone else cut is almost magic for the students anyway. 2. Before you can offer to let them grind and other fun stuff you have to take and install a grinder, coolant (water) , splash shield etc. If they are coming to your studio it's different, but I did my demos at the school and thought the extra time might be better spent talking about glass 3. I'll let someone else talk about liability. The idea of a group of 6th graders cutting glass is somehow unsettling. 4. Foiling can also be difficult to master. I let the ones who want to try play with a piece of plexi and a strip of foil. You can even let them use a stiff piece of cardboard instead of glass to get a "feel" for the process. Perhaps the greatest difficulty is the fine line between making the process available and conveying the idea that this is a craft that takes a long time to master. I don't want to imply that children of this age are not capable of doing glass. They can and some of them do quite well. But, presenting the idea that anyone can do it, without a whole lot of instruction, practice, care, and anguish that the rest of us go through is doing a great disservice to artisans and craftspeople everywhere. As I said, its a fine line. One certainly wants to encourage questions and the desire to explore glass as a creative outlet. The tricky part is to do it in a way that says "this is a special medium and it takes a special kind of skill to master it. But that skill can be developed with time and effort" Good luck. Mike mjhiester@aol.com (Mike Hiester) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 19:44:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Giraffe Finished! Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:23:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.22350.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-24 18:33:09 EST, you write: << Susan, Thanks for sharing - your giraffe looks great! What a beautiful job you did (and you were apprehensive?). He really looks impressive. You deserve to be very proud of this work, your first large one. Now, what is your next challenge? If any of the listers have not seen Susans' giraffe (and you have an interest in wild animals), do ask her to share it with you. She really did a great job. Jean jean@lasercom.net ICQ #7131940 NetMeeting: Bonnie Nrmn ils1 >> IMHO, I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 20:35:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:45:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Spectrum pattern - identity crisis Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:28:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.112845.0> Precedence: bulk I was having the same confusion, I guess the choice is optional -----Original Message----- The Spectrum patter from May of 1993 titled Bowser....it looks like a dog to my husband and lop-eared rabbit to me. Anyone else have an opinion? (It might be posted on the Spectrum site for those who don't have pile of old patterns laying around) Dorothy K (who's just trying to clean up!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 21:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:28:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: TifStyOrig Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lemon oil for oxidation?? Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:26:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar24.182658.0> References: <<1998Mar24.15599.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Diane! Is that pure lemon essential oil or the furniture polish called lemon oil? Mary On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, TifStyOrig wrote: > The product I use to treat oxidation is lemon oil. I use a q-tip or cotton > ball and rub the area with the oxidation. I leave it on for awhile and just > repolish with kem-pro or wax. This seems to treat the problem. > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 21:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:13:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sleepy.ebtech.net!proffire From: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:08:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199803250401.XAA09424@sleepy.ebtech.net> Precedence: bulk > > Subject: I/V bag for water drip > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:20:24 -0500 > > They gave me = I/V's of prednisone and benedryl. Linda, I have used an I/V for a few years to dispense water/coolant to my grinder. It is the old bottle type which i fill with water and grinder lubricant (few capfulls) It works great. Believe you can buy the newer plastic disposable types at local medical supply house without any trouble. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 22:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:20:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Glenn Spicer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Spectrum pattern - identity crisis Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:19:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.171934.0> References: <<1998Mar24.112845.0>> Precedence: bulk Its a Lop Earred Rabbit with an identity crisis, or maybe a Rottwieler with an inferiority complex, or maybe ....... Nevermind, I'm just babbling. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Glenn Spicer wrote: > I was having the same confusion, I guess the choice is optional > > -----Original Message----- > The Spectrum patter from May of 1993 titled Bowser....it looks like a dog > to my husband and lop-eared rabbit to me. Anyone else have an opinion? > (It might be posted on the Spectrum site for those who don't have pile of > old patterns laying around) > Dorothy K (who's just trying to clean up!) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 22:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Giraffe Finished! Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:31:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199803250531.VAA26532@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >If any of the listers have not seen Susans' giraffe (and you have an >interest in wild animals), do ask her to share it with you. She really did >a great job. Sorry, I'm suffering from quick finger deletus...I missed the post with the web address for the finished giraffe piece. Could someone please post it again? Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 24 22:40:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:01:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: I/V bag for water drip Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:07:57 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Not having an IV I have been using the simple siphon principle for the > past 20 yrs, a plastic tube from a gallon jug to a valve that is connected > to some copper tubing that can be bent to wherever I want it to be Glenn, that brought back a memory for me: as a kid, our church had a farm that raised cotton; I remember setting the siphons to pull the irrigation water from the crossfield ditches into the rows. It was sort of magic to see that simple machine go to work! Clever idea to put it to use at the grinding station. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 02:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Spectrum pattern - silly question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:38:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199803250944.JAA20777@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dorothy, ...definitely a lop-eared dog to me... ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK The Spectrum patter from May of 1993 titled Bowser....it looks like a dog to my husband and lop-eared rabbit to me. Anyone else have an opinion? (It might be posted on the Spectrum site for those who don't have pile of old patterns laying around) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 02:59:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:50:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glenna, guild, grinders, and bios Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:53:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar24.23538.0> References: <<1998Mar24.145217.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Couldn't agree with you more, on both comments ;-). When I took lessons, the instructor wouldn't let us near the grinder for the first 3 weeks of the class. It's much faster to cut than it is to grind. Rick Lasita http://home.fuse.net/crafts/index.html Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Well, gang! Glenna Rand has > spoken. She and Dave Rand > provide this forum. Let's all take > a hint and kill this thread - it's = > > ancient history. Not to mention, > gormless. And just to show > that I'm not intimidated by the > new format and that I respect the > stick-to-glass rule, let me say this > once again: > > If you're using up your grinding > heads like ice in the Sahara, your > using your grinder waaaayyy too = > > much. Grinders were never meant > to be alternative cutting tools. Learn > to cut glass! Discover grozing! Then, > if you really must, use a grinder. > > As an aside, I'm loving the two bio > posts on Saturday. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 03:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:10:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: UK Bio - just round the corner Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:04:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199803251010.KAA26685@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk The irony is, Mr. Kelly.... David Outram is located less than 5 miles away from me, so it's very feasible to send Toby after him... ;-) All I know is that David is sensibly (or otherwhise) occupied with computers at Luton University. How that ties up with stained glass I am quite intrigued to know. End of an academic year is fast approaching over here, so I dare say that Mr. David is buried up to his eye-balls, But come calmer times and "real" spring, I hope we can dig him out, maybe to explore the Hertfordshire villages, the Chilterns in search for a good pint or two.... (PS David, we have a William Morris stained glass in our parish church!!) In the mean-time, how about it David!? Elisabeth 'n Toby (from just around the corner..) Patrick Kelly wrote: David, Not so fast to "going back to lurking". We would appreciate a bio from you. In the UK Toby is the bio inforcer of all lurkers. Elisabeth is his mentor. Toby doesn't bite but Elisabeth has a history of ..... ummmm nevermind, just be forewarned. Please send us an informal bio. Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS Toby and Elisabeth, UK is not that big. Where can he go on an island. Sic'em. david.outram@luton.ac.uk wrote: > Thanks and back to lurking..... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 03:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:18:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:48:41 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.174841.0> References: <<1998Mar24.12024.0>> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I had the misfortune of going to the emergency room this weekend with a = > severe case of hives - reaction to an antiboitic, I think. They gave me = > I/V's of prednisone and benedryl. > > The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the = > tubing and valves. ----- Gidday Y'all - it would appear that this kind equipment is ditched after use, as a regular practice in hospitals. If you're interested it might be worth contacting the administration of your local hospital to find out if it's possible to get the non-skin contact parts before it's all consigned to the furnace or wherever... -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 05:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:32:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Giraffe Finished! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:30:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199803251223.HAA08187@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Carol, Susan didn't post a URL - you should send her private e-mail at: CWWSLW@aol.com. and ask for the picture. Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 06:20:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:08:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.1838.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Medical supply houses usually carry IV bags, but they may make you buy them by the case. If you do purchase the IV bags make sure you ask for boxes of tubing...it will be sold seperately. If you're interested in this you might ask them if they have dialysis bags...they come in 3,000cc bags instead of the 1,000cc IV size and they're available as sterile water. Just a little something from my own medical background, LJ ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 06:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:26:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tumblers for scrap glass Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.1203.0> References: <<1998Mar24.16721.0>> Precedence: bulk > Has anyone tried this yet? I've been considering buying a glass tumbler (the > kiddie version first to see if it works) just to make "beach glass." If > you've tried this, could you please post your results? Including how and how > long you had to keep it tumbling? I got one for christmas...they were only $24.99 at Venture (local discount type store). It's worked great! I put 1/2 pound of scraps in at a time and about 1/2 the grit that is called for (for gems) and tumble for about 12-16 hours. The results are very smooth corners and edges and a "frosted" type finish. The drum portion is only made of plastic with an "o" ring to seal, but it never leaks (they do recommend putting a little vaseline on it). My next experiment is going to be trying real sand instead of the grit that came with the kit...I wonder if it will work? BTW, you can re-order the grit, but it seems quite pricey to me. Good luck, LJ ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 07:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:37:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bungi withdrawals!!! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803251436.GAA04353@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Having been away for awhile, I now have computer bug eyes and can honestly say my mind's gone to mush!! But there's couple of things I'd like to say while I still can:) Great bio Sheila Dunn!! You almost live around the corner from me,neat!! We should do lunch, meet you in Kamloops sometime?? Albert's bio....wow.....wow and more wow!! Please keep talking! I would say more, but Iam lost for intelligent words:) Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 07:53:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: simple project Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.5346.0> References: <<1998Mar25.15212.0>> Precedence: bulk MJHiester wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-20 14:56:02 EST, you write: > > << A friend of mine (who also does stained glass) is going to show a small > group of 5th and 6th graders the "basics" of stained glass (the group > will be about 8 children) and only has about 2.5 hours with them >> > > Hello, > > I have done similar demonstrations in the past (6th and 7th graders in art > classes, and once a 4th grade group studying medieval culture). First let me > assure you that the children will be fascinated. I spent the night before > cutting, grinding, and assembling (just to make sure it fit) a small panel or > suncatcher. Lead panel for the medieval group, suncatcher for art class. > During the class I did a brief discussion on history, showed off some > neat glass, and explained what I was doing as I assembled and began soldering. > The soldering part really wows the kids. With a small group they can get up > close and see what you are doing and ask questions (they ask LOTS of > questions, which is really the fun part). At the end of the class you give > the suncatcher to the teacher. > > I don't think I would offer the chance to cut, grind, or foil glass for a > couple of reasons: > 1. Remember the trouble we all had when we first started. You > don't want to discourage upcoming glass folk. Two and a half hours sounds > like a lot of time, but it goes fast, and you want to finish your project if > possible. In my experience, seeing someone else cut is almost magic for the > students anyway. > 2. Before you can offer to let them grind and other fun stuff you > have to take and install a grinder, coolant (water) , splash shield etc. If > they are coming to your studio it's different, but I did my demos at the > school and thought the extra time might be better spent talking about glass > 3. I'll let someone else talk about liability. The idea of a > group of 6th graders cutting glass is somehow unsettling. > 4. Foiling can also be difficult to master. I let the ones who > want to try play with a piece of plexi and a strip of foil. You can even let > them use a stiff piece of cardboard instead of glass to get a "feel" for the > process. > > Perhaps the greatest difficulty is the fine line between making the > process available and conveying the idea that this is a craft that takes a > long time to master. I don't want to imply that children of this age are not > capable of doing glass. They can and some of them do quite well. But, > presenting the idea that anyone can do it, without a whole lot of instruction, > practice, care, and anguish that the rest of us go through is doing a great > disservice to artisans and craftspeople everywhere. As I said, its a fine > line. One certainly wants to encourage questions and the desire to explore > glass as a creative outlet. The tricky part is to do it in a way that says > "this is a special medium and it takes a special kind of skill to master it. > But that skill can be developed with time and effort" > > Good luck. > > Mike > i'd also like to add that they should be using 1/4" foil. and if they're soldering then they should be wearing rubber gloves. a mask would'nt hurt, but probably won't filter out the vapors. i'd make sure there's a large fan blowing accross the table (pointed at an open window). also you'll need to find out where the sink is, and to bring along the cleaning stuff, like soap, baking soda, scrub brush, towels, etc. and don't forget the band aids. even if they don't cut the glass. you can't rule out copper foil cuts, or burns. (unless it's better to allow the scool nurse to handle that, which it probably is). though it might be frustrating to them, maybe you can bring in blobs and they can make a simple project with those. you would probably have to use the noisy 'blobs in a can' technique. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 08:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.15237.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 00:24:32 EST, proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net writes: << Believe you can buy the newer plastic disposable types at local medical supply house without any trouble. >> I dont know that this is true, the plastic IV bags come pre-filled with a solution. I would think you would need some form of medical purchasing authority to buy them...just think of the possibilities of mis-use (Dr. Kevorkian type activities??) As someone else pointed out, it would be very foolish to use a "pre-used" IV bag that had been disguarded, unless it was one of your own as in the original posting. They do sell regulated drip mechanisms at nurserys and plant supply places.....these would be easier to obtain. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 08:57:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Small Scraps of glass--what now? Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:03:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199803251603.IAA28796@ark.com> Precedence: bulk > >Carl...Thanks for your suggestions, however it must be time to put this to bed. First off, let me thank everyone for their suggestions, it has been great. This was my request for input so I may as well 'stick my neck out' and get it 'chopped off'! First, why dump in the ocean, that was what I was trying to avoid in the first place--throwing them out, right? (The reason I bring this up is not to criticise, but to point out that is not where we need to go.) >I also promise to stop throwing trash in NY harbor. I also don't think that tying a small piece of glass to a hypodermic needle and throwing it in a New Jersey beachis an option either. (Jeez! How did we get there???). > >This post is meant as a bit of a quip. However the group shouldn't spend a lot of time taking us down the road where we seem to be heading in response to my request. Thanks anyway to everone and "ALL" the suggestions. (Just try to keep focused) IMHO >.......Wayne > > >>Just to satisfy the safety concerned people on the list I said dump it in the ocean, >>not on the beach. By the time the glass amkes it to the beach, the edges are >>rounded. >>I have a bigger problem with medical waste being dumped with trash at the mouth of >>NY harbor. The hypodermic needles washing up on Long Island and New Jersey beaches >>is a bigger health problem to me IMHO >>Mizzi Frank at MITTS wrote: >> >>> P D RUSS: >>> >In a message dated 98-03-23 19:03:39 EST, you write: >>> > >>> ><< >>> > If I had an area that showed promise I would think about dumping a >>> > lot of glass and hope to get 1% back. Not likely to be legal. It is >>> > likely that some of the glass would be recovered a long way away. >>> > Bob >> >>> > >>> > >>> >I hate to say this but most beaches don't allow glass bottles because they >>> >don't want people stepping on broken glass. Some charge fines. I would hate to >>> >think what they would do to people to deliberately dumping broken glass. >>> > >>> >Dianne >>> >>> I agree with Dianne. >>> However, I have seen in some US magazine a sort of small drum type machine that >>> you load up with an abrasive sand/powder and the glass or "gem stones" and let >>> it tumble for a while. >>> I guess you would get the same sort of effect. >>> >>> Frank >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 09:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: magnet.mt!frank.g.mizzi From: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed Mar 25 07:55:28 1998 Message-ID: <98Mar25.180710gmt+0100.19595@michelle.magnet.mt> Precedence: bulk Greetings, Well I must say that I probably don't cut glass THAT fantastic but I thought I did a reasonable job. I find that I must grind every piece at least for a few seconds to clean off any sharp points. Is this not normal?? Most pieces need to be cut using more than one score. Where two scores meet I usually have a tiny point of glass. Is this not normal?? Any suggestions on how to improve?? Also when using the groziers, I find it is not very easy to get rid of every last tiny bit of the given point. Any suggestions?? frank ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 09:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: morn@nac.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: simple project..another view of the subject Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:28:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.162839.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 10:54:22 EST, morn@nac.net writes: << But, > presenting the idea that anyone can do it, without a whole lot of instruction, > practice, care, and anguish that the rest of us go through is doing a great > disservice to artisans and craftspeople everywhere. As I said, its a fine > line. One certainly wants to encourage questions and the desire to explore > glass as a creative outlet. The tricky part is to do it in a way that says > "this is a special medium and it takes a special kind of skill to master it. > But that skill can be developed with time and effort" > > Good luck. > > Mike >> Bravo!! Well said, Mike! You have beautifully put into words what I have been thinking but could not articulate, as I have been reading all these posts. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 10:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:04:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: It's YOUR list Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:05:09 -0600 Message-ID: <199803251703.LAA22818@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Glassfolks, Len Alcamo here.Thanks in advance for listening. I will start out by making brief but important references to Mr Lewis' on line comments as they relate to our personal ( I thought) disagreements. Mr Lewis quoted me as saying " sick and tired " ........................ not true nor did I at any point use the words "unhelpful, useless and not-glassy-enough information" In fact, I sincerely believe that the IGGA makes an important and valid contribution to the SG community. All I did was ask Mr Lewis (in private) to explain why he felt the IGGA had some kind of special dispensation when it came to posting references and hyperlinks to the organizations, individuals and suppliers that he fronts for. Several of the subscribers on this list are involved in the SG biz. However, very rarely do they advertise or promote their self-interests in their posts. I personally respect and appreciate that. Isn't that part of what makes this list great? Bungi ......an oasis where one can come and relax for a bit, share some glass knowledge and not be subject to advertising, infomercials and self promotion? Rare indeed. Thats my attraction, but It's your list........................... I only suggested in good faith, that the IGGA restrict its self -promotion to the sig portion of its posts. If you all think that that is an outlandish request.... and that having NPO status puts the IGGA above it, well It's your list............... The IGGA representative has attempted to imply that I stand alone on this issue. I can assure you that other list members share similar views. Most of them have been through the "bungi wars" before and feel that any public positioning would be counter-productive and lead to polorization and fragmentation. Remember, I was not the one who posted publicly to garner support for my viewpoint. They are probably right. I suppose one of these days I'll smarten up . Duh...... Those of you that are familiar with the IGGA website know that there is no place where one can sign-up to be notified of events,announcements and changes etc. related to IGGA biz. IF there were, the people who want this info could get it DIRECTLY via email, those who didn't , won't. Unfortunately, in reality , the IGGA uses glass@bungi for that purpose more exposure to more people .... like it or not) you all think thats fair?, fine It's your list................... Well back to the work-a-day world. With the upmost sincerity Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 10:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:49:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:56:04 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk New information has been put up on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events." Click on "Biz Buzz" then on "Events" -- the following workshops begin under the months shown: Beginning glassblowing: June 22-26 Lampworking: July 6-10 Stained glass: June 8-12 Slumping and fusing: June 1-5 Solid sculpting: June 1-5 Mixed media sculpture: June 15-19 The Antipurist: June 29-July 3 Sculptural Hot Casting: June 22-26 Brushstrokes in glass: June 8-12 Mosaics: June 22-26 Advanced Neon: June 15-19 Build a furnace workshop: June 13-17 Lampworking: May 29-31 Sculptural glass construction: June 15-19 All at UrbanGlass in Brooklyn, NY this summer. Week-long classes include Beginning glassblowing, begins May 26 and 30 Intermediate glassblowing begins May 26 Hot casting begins June 1 Beginning kiln-cast glass starts May 28 Neon starts May 26 Stained glass starts May 28 Beginning lampworking begins May 26 UrbanGlass has also arranged for places to stay. Check it out. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 11:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:04:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glenna, guild, grinders, and bios Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:03:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.8314.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: pkelly, INTERNET:pkelly@n-link.com TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 3/24/98 9:21 PM RE: Re: glenna, guild, grinders, and bios Sender: pkelly@n-link.com Received: from mail.n-link.com (mail.n-link.com [206.97.138.4]) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id VAA04678 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:21:24 -0500 (EST)= Received: from n-link.com (tnt01-110.n-link.com [208.135.245.110]) by mail.n-link.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA27143 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:21:= 37 -0600 Message-ID: <35186A30.3B2C5D4E@n-link.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:21:36 -0600 From: pkelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: glenna, guild, grinders, and bios References: <1998Mar24.145217.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Thanks Dani, I needed the aside. Patrick Roses and Rainbows > > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 11:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:40:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Mizzi Frank at MITTS" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:41:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.24143.0> Precedence: bulk IMHO, you need to lightly grind the edges, with the assumption that the pieces fit REAL tightly. The light grinding insures the adhesion of the foil to a large a surface of the edge as possible. The lamps that have been brought to me to repair (usually an amateur or an imported work) that have begun to come apart seems to be caused by gravity pulling the foil off the UNGROUND edges of the glass. I graciously suggest the imported ones should be returned to the source! I may fix an attempt by a novice (usually not made well out of a lack of experience) if I so want to. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 12:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.3291.0> References: <<98Mar25.180710gmt+0100.19595@michelle.magnet.mt>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I can't keep my mouth shut anymore. I use my grinder as a second cutting source. Granted it increases the time it takes to make a project. But it works for me. Maybe my cuts are inaccurate because I have to do cut glass sitting down. Maybe they are not so good because I have pre carpel-tunnel syndrome. Maybe they are not good, because this is the best my skill level will ever be. GOK. I never plan to make anything bigger than my 18"X18" cutting board. I enjoy it the way I do it. My customers don't seem to object to my workmanship. I like grinding each piece, because the only method I will ever use is the foil method, and I don't like getting my fingers cut. I can understand if you are making a large window and have a shop to maintain, that profit goes down with lost time grinding. But.......that doesn't make it wrong for those of us who have other agendas. This attitude about not using a grinder for the first 3 weeks of class, seems reminiscence of punitive victorian times. I am an adult. I took the class as an adult for a hobby. I paid hard to come by money for the class. I wanted a items made that I could show to family and friends. I wanted it done in a short period of time(I had other things to do). I am glad my instructor introduced the grinder to us, first class(Thank you Dave). And one more thing. I live a very frugal, financially speaking, life. I make a sheet of glass go as far as it can. I can't afford to keep cutting on something that has been miscut, when the grinder can fix it. I applaud thoses who do not need a grinder, But I don't condemn thoses of us who do. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 13:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: alcamoz@mwt.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: It's YOUR list Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:22:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.20226.0> Precedence: bulk Len - relax. I quickly read between the lines of the initial e-mail and picked up very quickly there was more to it and its the ol' get your goat and the 'gang up to shut up' routine. I see it nearly everyday in the workplace. Some call it politics; others call it a way of life. DONT LET IT BOTHER YOU NOR TAKE IT PERSONAL. I appreciate yours and everyone else's posts. They've all been helpful and I respect everyone's input. I hope yours as well as everyone else's will continue. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:30:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:25:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.202542.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 13:42:47 EST, you write: << New information has been put up on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events." Click on "Biz Buzz" then on "Events" -- the following workshops begin under the months shown: Beginning glassblowing: June 22-26 Lampworking: July 6-10 Stained glass: June 8-12 Slumping and fusing: June 1-5 Solid sculpting: June 1-5 Mixed media sculpture: June 15-19 The Antipurist: June 29-July 3 Sculptural Hot Casting: June 22-26 Brushstrokes in glass: June 8-12 Mosaics: June 22-26 Advanced Neon: June 15-19 Build a furnace workshop: June 13-17 Lampworking: May 29-31 Sculptural glass construction: June 15-19 All at UrbanGlass in Brooklyn, NY this summer. Week-long classes include Beginning glassblowing, begins May 26 and 30 Intermediate glassblowing begins May 26 Hot casting begins June 1 Beginning kiln-cast glass starts May 28 Neon starts May 26 Stained glass starts May 28 Beginning lampworking begins May 26 UrbanGlass has also arranged for places to stay. Check it out. >> I wish Charles Warner would put a regular posting out here for events at Warner-Crivellaro...its much closer to home for me..... :-) Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 13:34:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:43:06 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Don feels the need to put on his nurse's cap for a minute here. IV tubing that has been used is contaminated. It has bits of blood in it no matter whether you see it or not. Viruses and bacteria can do the backstroke uphill right into the bottle or bag. Once the IV catheter (needle) has punctured the vein and the tubing has been connected, the tubing, bottle and all parts of the fluid path are part of the circulating system. Do not use IV tubing from anyone other than yourself, or use tubing that has been opened and not used, because once opened, it cannot be used later. You would be much safer and have a more consistent supply if you were to go to the hardware store and buy some vinyl tubing, a small clamp and a bucket or funnel. It would also be more durable. IV tubing in the medical setting is designed to be used for up to 72 hours and then replaced. It begins to degrade after about 14 days. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation >>> Melanie Dunstan 03/24 7:48 PM >>> Linda Campbell wrote: > > I had the misfortune of going to the emergency room this weekend with a = > severe case of hives - reaction to an antiboitic, I think. They gave me = > I/V's of prednisone and benedryl. > > The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the = > tubing and valves. ----- Gidday Y'all - it would appear that this kind equipment is ditched after use, as a regular practice in hospitals. If you're interested it might be worth contacting the administration of your local hospital to find out if it's possible to get the non-skin contact parts before it's all consigned to the furnace or wherever... -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 14:10:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: edupjohn@slonet.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:50:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.205014.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I buy a plastic quart bottle of lemon oil from my local stained glass shop. It looks like dark vegetable oil, but smells like lemon (duhhh! :>) and it works great. A large qt. container costs about $3.50 and would last a life time - you don't have to use much, just enough to coat the metal. I would suspect that lemon oil furniture polish might work too, but it would be diluted with other stuff like water, perfumes, etc. and may not be effective. This is different than the expensive essential oils - this is just a regular oil product. If your local glass shop doesn't carry it, perhaps Home Depot???? Hope that helps. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 14:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:52:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: B J Snell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980325155153.006d7b88@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Mar25.24143.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi... This is very interesting considering such a large preference for not grinding by so many on this list..... At 10:41 AM 3/25/98 -0800, Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: >IMHO, you need to lightly grind the edges, with the assumption that the >pieces fit REAL tightly. >The light grinding insures the adhesion of the foil to a large a surface of >the edge as possible. > >The lamps that have been brought to me to repair (usually an amateur or an >imported work) that have begun to come apart seems to be caused by gravity >pulling the foil off the UNGROUND edges of the glass. > >I graciously suggest the imported ones should be returned to the source! > >I may fix an attempt by a novice (usually not made well out of a lack of >experience) if I so want to. > >enjoy, H > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >
0000,0000,8080~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 8080,0000,0000Barbara J. Snell Manager, Balch Dining Cornell University
0000,0000,8080 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 14:34:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:12:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: Mizzi Frank at MITTS , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.11832.0> References: <<98Mar25.180710gmt+0100.19595@michelle.magnet.mt>> Precedence: bulk Mizzi Frank at MITTS wrote: > I find that I must grind every piece at least for a few > seconds to clean off any sharp points. Is this not normal?? > > Most pieces need to be cut using more than one score. Where two scores meet I > usually have a tiny point of glass. Is this not normal?? > Also when using the groziers, I find it is not very easy to get rid of every > last tiny bit of the given point. Any suggestions?? > I tell my students they should lightly grind every piece of glass if working with copperfoil. This enables the foil to stick to the edges better. No matter how good a glass cutter you are...always lightly 'rough' up the edges. Now of the other hand...when working on a leaded panel, I don't let them come near a grinder. I feel they should perfect their cutting, and not stand for ages at the grinders. They make good use of theirs groziers!! Are you just nipping at the point?...make good use of those ridges on your pliers....they can take away quite a bit of glass. Also, are you referring to a 90 degree cut or a curve when you state that you have a point where 2 scores meet? That could depend on your cutting technique ( no offense intended here ). Karina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 14:41:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:13:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgpppproxy2.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:16:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199803252116.QAA00293@csgpppproxy2.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar25.24143.0>> Precedence: bulk H kindly suggests... > I graciously suggest the imported ones should be returned to the source! Is this another type of USA chauvinism? Sorry, but I just could not resist. I don't want to start a flame war (I almost did) but bear in mind "imported" means something different to many of us. -- Daniel M. German "Speak not about what you have read, Azerbaijani Proverb -> but about what you have understood" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 14:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:16:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: allcrafts@p085.aone.net.au, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:12:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.211239.0> Precedence: bulk Welll....unless you'd like to watch the administrator turn white as he/she anticipates various liabilities..which might be fun.(since I work in one of those places)....I think you would make out much better asking for a friend or a friend of a friend who works in a patient care area to get you a discarded (clean) setup. I used one once yeeeears ago to provide "spirits" to a party.... Maureen (hiccup) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 15:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:29:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.102819.0> References: <<1998Mar25.202542.0>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Margaret41 wrote: > > I wish Charles Warner would put a regular posting out here for events at > Warner-Crivellaro...its much closer to home for me..... :-) > Margaret And I wish Walmart would post their ads here too...ain't none of those glass places close to me. ;) Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 15:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.myriad.net!dankat From: "Dan and Katherine Roberts" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199803252227.QAA15978@newman.myriad.net> Precedence: bulk Quick note, this is my first post to the list, and probably the first time I thought I did have something to contribute. I just started working in stained glass. So, my glass cutting is terrible (but I can cut straight lines like a champ), I haven't been able to afford a grinder, and my soldering is really bad, but I just *love* stained glass, and considering all my other art forms, just love *creating* things. Anyway, Here's what I would do for a low tech, cheap, clean way of achieving a system like an IV drip. Use an empty, cleaned out, 2 liter soda bottle, some aquarium tubing, a drill and maybe a little silicone sealant. You'll have to devise a way to hold the bottle upside down, but I don't think that would be that difficult. Use the drill and an appropriate sized drill bit to drill a hole in the cap of the bottle, shove the aquarium tubing in, use a little bit of silicone sealant, poke some pin holes in the bottom of the upside down bottle to allow air in at a slow rate. (If it's too slow, put in more holes. If it's too fast, get another empty bottle, and don't poke as many holes ;) ) Position the bottom of the tube where ever you need to at your grinder. When you're through grinding, empty the bottle or put a crimp in the tubing and clamp it down. The aquarium tubing typically runs about 10 cents a foot (US), and is easy to find, I know Wal-Mart has it. And if you drill the hole in the cap just slightly smaller then the aquarium tubing, you should get a pretty tight fit. This is what I'll be doing once I can finally afford a grinder. Thanks, Katherine Roberts Bryan, TX On 25 Mar 98 at 14:43, Don McDonald wrote: > Don feels the need to put on his nurse's cap for a minute here. > > IV tubing that has been used is contaminated. It has bits of blood > in it no matter whether you see it or not. Viruses and bacteria can do the > backstroke uphill right into the bottle or bag. Once the IV catheter > (needle) has punctured the vein and the tubing has been connected, the > tubing, bottle and all parts of the fluid path are part of the circulating > system. Do not use IV tubing from anyone other than yourself, or use > tubing that has been opened and not used, because once opened, it cannot > be used later. You would be much safer and have a more consistent supply > if you were to go to the hardware store and buy some vinyl tubing, a small > clamp and a bucket or funnel. It would also be more durable. IV tubing in > the medical setting is designed to be used for up to 72 hours and then > replaced. It begins to degrade after about 14 days. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 15:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:30:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Mizzi Frank at MITTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.12268.0> References: <<98Mar25.180710gmt+0100.19595@michelle.magnet.mt>> Precedence: bulk Mizzi Frank at MITTS wrote: > > Greetings, > > Well I must say that I probably don't cut glass THAT fantastic but I thought I > did a reasonable job. I find that I must grind every piece at least for a few > seconds to clean off any sharp points. Is this not normal?? > > Most pieces need to be cut using more than one score. Where two scores meet I > usually have a tiny point of glass. Is this not normal?? > > Any suggestions on how to improve?? > > Also when using the groziers, I find it is not very easy to get rid of every > last tiny bit of the given point. Any suggestions?? > > frank > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass grozing never gives a clean finish. grinding is a normal operation when you do foil projects. if you nativly do came, you may automatically not use the grinder. mainly because your fingers are'nt as exposed to the raw edges, and the came has a slight 'give value' meaning it can hide a small gap. foil needs that close tolorence, people can see the thickness difference in the solder. if that was'nt ground somewhat it would look really bad. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 16:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:06:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:04:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar25.23440.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 17:42:25 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << > I graciously suggest the imported ones should be returned to the source! Is this another type of USA chauvinism? Sorry, but I just could not resist. I don't want to start a flame war (I almost did) but bear in mind "imported" means something different to many of us. >> I can sympathize with Howard's view on the subject. I think that rather than chauvinism it is an objection to our market being flooded with glass products that are made in countrys like Mexico or China at very low hourly wages and factory conditions (bar solder, cutting machines using templates for automatic multiple scores, assembly-line production where each person only masters one task such as grozing or foiling instead of learning a craft or skill) The finished product is shipped here to be sold in our economy by "exporters" who have nothing to do with the craft. I dont know where you are from, Daniel, but in some countrys Stained Glass is held as an art form that has developed over centurys. It is respected perhaps at a higher level than here in the US. To see such a thing reduced to a mass produced factory generated item does no service to our craft or to the unfortunate workers who are in this assembly line situation and can never master the entire process. Ok, thats the end of my rant...I will leave my soapbox now <>> ~Alison~ PS,,,,,well I was almost finished. An associate of mine was brought a small panel to repair. When he quoted a price of $30 to replace a few broken pieces, the custumer recoiled in shock. The panel had only cost him $25 in Mexico!! My associate tells me it was a hummingbird and flower motif using some art glass as well in an oval configuration. So we in the US can be anticipateing more of this type of thing in our marketplace! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 16:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: photographing mirror Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:37:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803252337.PAA26914@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Looking for some answers to photographing mirror, have an okay camera, but haven't got a clue on the in's and out's of it as of yet:) I've taken some shots outside before and they seem to be the best, but this time of year everything is looking pretty bad...short of making up a tent is there something else I could be doing? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 17:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:32:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Hedgehog & fan Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:31:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.183145.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Got 2 questions for you: 1. Which is the proper way to use a fan when soldering? I normally thought it would be blowing across the work but I've been told to put the fan next to the work but blowing away, so that the back of the fan sucks the fumes into the fan and I guess blows them away that way. That was a new concept for me but I tried it and it did seem to work. It just doesn't pull the fumes away as fast as when the fan is blowing across. 2. My daughter's pet hedgehog died last night and she is devastated! I'd like to do something in stained glass for her of a hedgehog in memory of "Ollie" (he was such a cutie!). Has anyone seen any patterns of a hedgehog or do you have any suggestions? Thanks so much for your help.... Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 17:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:34:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: TifStyOrig@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: getting rid of oxidation question Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:33:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.03345.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you Diane for more info on Lemon Oil. I will be out on the hunt this weekend for the lemon oil! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 17:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:23:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: ItsAlison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:17:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.141739.0> References: <<1998Mar25.15237.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Something woke up the dormant nurse part of me. How about feeding bags, the kind they use to tube feed people liquid diets? I would think they would be cheaper, not already filled with fluid, they come with tubing as part of it, usually with some sort of flow controller too. The IV bags I'm familliar with are closed systems. Do you cut a hole in the top for refilling? Just curious. Kris > << Believe you can > buy the newer plastic disposable types at local medical supply house > without any trouble. >> > > I dont know that this is true, the plastic IV bags come pre-filled with a > solution. I would think you would need some form of medical purchasing > authority to buy them...just think of the possibilities of mis-use ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 18:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:38:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: lynb@gnt.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hedgehog & fan Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:35:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.1356.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 20:24:21 EST, lynb@gnt.net writes: << the back of the fan sucks the fumes into the fan and I guess blows them away that way. That was a new concept for me but I tried it and it did seem to work. It just doesn't pull the fumes away as fast as when the fan is blowing across. 2. My daughter's pet hedgehog died last night and she is devastated! >> Oh NO !! was the fan blowing in the direction of "Ollie" the Hedgehog?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 18:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:44:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:47:05 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I wish Charles Warner would put a regular posting out here for events at > Warner-Crivellaro...its much closer to home for me..... :-) Margaret, He puts 'em on his home page. Do you have that URL? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 18:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:09:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: photographing mirror Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.16342.0> References: <<199803252337.PAA26914@freya.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Looking for some answers to photographing mirror, have an okay camera, but > haven't got a clue on the in's and out's of it as of yet:) I've taken some > shots outside before and they seem to be the best, but this time of year > everything is looking pretty bad...short of making up a tent is there > something else I could be doing? > Cindy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i asked someone online who does alot of mirrors (contois (SP?), i think). and he uses a sheet with a hole or slit in the middle. then he took the picture at an angle. this way you don't get a reflectied camera in the mirror. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 19:01:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:13:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Lyn Butler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hedgehog & fan Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.16923.0> References: <<1998Mar25.183145.0>> Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Got 2 questions for you: 1. Which is the proper way to use a fan when > soldering? I normally thought it would be blowing across the work but > I've been told to put the fan next to the work but blowing away, so that > the back of the fan sucks the fumes into the fan and I guess blows them > away that way. That was a new concept for me but I tried it and it did > seem to work. It just doesn't pull the fumes away as fast as when the > fan is blowing across. 2. My daughter's pet hedgehog died last night > and she is devastated! I'd like to do something in stained glass for her > of a hedgehog in memory of "Ollie" (he was such a cutie!). Has anyone > seen any patterns of a hedgehog or do you have any suggestions? Thanks > so much for your help.... > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass fans: i have a 12" ocilating fan that blows accross and away from me. along with a small 6" clip on blowing down the table towards the running exaust fan. i also keep a window open when the weather is warm. hedgehog: if it's made of glass it may look like a blob. maybe a picture frame for the critter. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 20:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:22:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "robert s. cutler" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: check for quality (lack of) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.112349.0> Precedence: bulk By no means is this the final definitive say and the only tutorial on differences between quality and the other stuff. It generally reflects my observations from handling both good work and...... First, PRICE....most dome multi-piece lamps, 200 and more pieces selling for about $100.00 to $500.00 are usually imported, a working wage maybe as low as $2.00 PER WEEK. Quality....unfinished soldering (no raised beads) and usually not any finishing inside at all. Sometimes only flat soldering (tinning). Solder lines vary greatly in thickness. Points seem to be gone and pieces come together in large solder masses. Grid lines usually very uneven and wavy. If the original had a tuck row, in most cases this row if flat and not tucked under. Many instances the original (Tiffany) pattern has been modified as to have fewer pieces and simpler lines. Bottoms maybe very uneven as well. Grinding, if at all, is kept to a minimum, thus setting up the shade to come apart over time. Color...Look for harsh transitions in background colors, or a sharp break from one color to the next, monochromes for flowers and leaves, glass that seems to be "flat" and has a lack of sparkle or shading. Colors that do not seem relevant to other parts of the shade. Hardware, usually very cheap castings, holes in them, poor finishes, and some do not fit well and are not on straight. I have tried to relate as much positive information about the "imports" as possible, alas and alack, this is the best I could come up with. I am ready for this to be flamed, and I hope a few of the flamers have had the chance to see and touch a "good" shade so they have a "clue". The lack of a "clue" has not stopped flames in the past, however. I usually compare a Yugo to a Lincoln...both cars...both are functional...both have a price, BUT there maybe subtle differences....if one can not tell, buy the Yugo! In fine fettle, I not so humbly say, MINE are better! (shades that is) enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 20:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:22:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Wvrosiegal From: Wvrosiegal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Demo Advice Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:21:22 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.32122.0> Precedence: bulk I'm new to bungi and have been reading mail for about a month now, certainly with interest and sometimes (more likely than not, entertainment). I've been in SG for about a year now, and have recently been invited to participate in a show this Oct. The show will be held in an 18th century historical town and all participants are to dress for the era and demonstrate their skills (mine being stained glass, of course). This is the 55th annual show, so I know the other crafters have their acts down pat. I have participated in two major shows in the past, and have panels, lamps, lanterns, birdhouses, etc. to offer for sale. My dilemma is that I want to come up with a demo (of which I have to do 50% of the time during the 3-day affair), that will address stained glass as it was made and used in the 18th and 19th centuries. Of course, I'll not use the same material of that era (tallow, calm, etc.), but I want to have something small to work on in order to show the process of assembling prepared cuts of glass. The suggestions I need are: a small item that can be precut and packed for travel; an idea of how many I'llneed (30,000 participants are likely); information on any written material I can get giving the history of the art in that era; and last - but not least - a "warm & fuzzy" reassuring me that these demonstrations are nothing to be nervous about. WVRosieGal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 20:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:51:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp2.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: ItsAlison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: cheap "imports" was: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199803260353.WAA00314@ppp2.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar25.23440.0>> Precedence: bulk ItsAlison twistes the bytes to say: ItsAlison> I can sympathize with Howard's view on the subject. I think that rather than ItsAlison> chauvinism it is an objection to our market being flooded with glass products ItsAlison> that are made in countrys like Mexico or China at very low hourly wages and ItsAlison> factory conditions (bar solder, cutting machines using templates for automatic ItsAlison> multiple scores, assembly-line production where each person only masters one ItsAlison> task such as grozing or foiling instead of learning a craft or skill) The ItsAlison> finished product is shipped here to be sold in our economy by "exporters" who ItsAlison> have nothing to do with the craft. I certainly understand, and to some extend, sympathize with you. Unfortunately, there is no way we can stop it. This is the way that many crafts have evolved throughout the years: Woodworking, tailoring, typesetting --I know there is a typesetter around here that who has been replaced by computers-- even photography, to name just a few. Production lines and machines are pervasive and the power of economics is unstoppable. Let me give you an analogy. Photography is a recent craft. Around one century old, it has developed into one of the most common hobbies around the world. Photographers range from mothers who proudly photograph their children to National Geographic reporters who create authentic pieces of art. For all, photography is a medium in which they record "decisive moments", in the words of Cartier-Bresson. Photography has been a very profitable area and as such, being invaded by entrepreneurs. Many of you might remember that not long ago slides were the usual media for photography: cheap and non-labour intensive, they replaced the artisan (darkrooom technician) who had to handcraft every print. Hence prints were expensive. Then the machines came. The machines revolutionized the medium. You can have a photograph without a human at all. cyou can get prints for less than US$0.50 a piece. There no way, _NO WAY_ a person can match that price (it takes 30 minutes _at least_ to print _one_ photo). The price the user pays is hefty: average quality; ugly photos --in the words of the artisan. For the usual user, it is "good enough" non-important. Unfortunately, that is the majority. There exist, however, those artists and artisans that know how to develop and print a photo and can create photographs that are impossible to achieve with a machine. Some people are willing to pay the price, most are not. THe same applies to photo shooting. Most people want the cheapest "reasonable" work during their weddings. Few are willing to pay big for a good job. In a similar line, the best 35mm cameras are not the Japanese. The Germans have created a reputation that is unquestionable: Leica is the best 35mm camera in the world and it is also the most expensive. Take in your hands a Leica and you'll feel your holding a part of the past. Their old and clumsy design is the most sought camera in the world by people who _know_ about photography. A minority, certainly who are willing to pay 3 or 4 times for a camera that is handcrafted and has the best quality in the market. SG will follow --if not already had-- the same trend. Cheaper procedures will be able to popularize this art and bring it to the masses' living rooms. Work cheap and low quality, it will be "good enough" for a vast majority. Those who know about the craft and appreciate good SG work will not be happy with the cheap incarnations; instead, they will turn to the real craftsman for his or her work. Howard, Alison, those cheap "imports" are not a threat to you. Those who appreciate your skills will be willing to pay for them. In many ways, I feel that Tiffany was a popularizer of SG. I would not, I repeat, I would not have dare to learn SG in its original incarnation: stained glass put "cooked" in high-temperature ovens. Copper foil made it easy; it brought SG to the 20th century. It made it possible to do it my living room. At the same time, artists had had "slave" artisans at their peril. Tiffany built a 20 tons stained glass panel in Mexico City. Do you think that he care to pay the Mexicans who actually build it many differently that some of those companies that make SG down there? I might be wrong... and you can still claim that they did not the craft. Agreed. Nonetheless, cheap labor allowed for that luxurious panel. You have all the right to look down at work that does not meet your quality standards. But you have to accept that technology changes everything and that it has changed SG. SG lamps are common now in Sears and Walmart, at 1/2 or 1/3 the prices you find them in SG stores. The regular customer will lean towards the cheap one most of the time. It is your job to adjust accordingly and educate him (or her) on the value of your own work. Unfortunately, my belief is that SG artists and artisans will, in the short future, target a niche market --if they haven't already: custom-build objects for the actual connoisseur who has big pockets. ItsAlison> I dont know where you are from, Daniel, but in some countrys Stained Glass is My bio, coming soon in this channel ---right Patrick?-- will answer this question. ItsAlison> held as an art form that has developed over centurys. It is respected perhaps ItsAlison> at a higher level than here in the US. To see such a thing reduced to a mass ItsAlison> produced factory generated item does no service to our craft or to the ItsAlison> unfortunate workers who are in this assembly line situation and can never ItsAlison> master the entire process. Ok, thats the end of my rant...I will leave my ItsAlison> soapbox now <>> ItsAlison> ~Alison~ -- Daniel M. German "Speak not about what you have read, Azerbaijani Proverb -> but about what you have understood" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 20:50:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:02:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!lmartz From: Laura Martz To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.18349.0> References: <<1998Mar24.12024.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! After all the discussion on using the I/V bags for a drip into the grinder and where to find them and such, a thought occured to me - what about those water bottles used in hamster/gerbil cages? They might be a lot easier to come by and may work just as well. I don't have one to try, but I'm sure someone out there has a kid with one to test. Laura, glass list lurker Linda Campbell wrote: > The good news is that the nurse let me keep the I/V bag and all the = > tubing and valves. I hung the bag on a hook above my grinder. And the > = > part where the needle was is just above my grinder sponge. I can > control = > the drip with the little shunt and it really is great. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 20:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:17:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: bjs10@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:07:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.1872.0> References: <<1998Mar25.24143.0>>> Precedence: bulk Just my two cents worth on the grinding issue. During the first couple of sessions of each new group of students I always make a complete small panel as a demonstration. The entire thing is done without grinding to show that it can be done, that if they want to do stained glass and can't pop for a grinder right away they are not doomed, and that it can be a lot faster and easier on the fingers than grinding everything. At the same time I try to make it very clear that there is no shame in grinding if you happen to own a grinder, and that I prefer to grind rather than groze because during grozing you create very fine glass dust that rises straight toward your face (and can be seen in the right light). On the other side of the coin IMHO, (please don't anyone get offended), I think that one should not rely on the foil adhesive as any kind of structural element. The glue is fine to keep the foil in place until the work is soldered, but in the end, you need to rely on the metal to support your work. No matter how well the glue is stuck, eventually it will pull away and your piece will fail. I have repaired countless numbers of these Mexican creations, and of the foil constructed ones, the two biggest failings have been the use of too narrow foil (they do this IMO to save on solder. Skinnier lines mean less solder), and poor attachment at the lamp cap due to hasty soldering that frequently results in cold solder joints. A cold solder joint is when the base metal has not been heated sufficiently to allow the metals to bond properly. They look soldered, but they are not. (The foil is also applied so sloppily that it does not cover all the edges of every piece of glass, further weakening things.) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 21:32:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:55:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:52:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.45238.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 21:40:32 EST, you write: << > I wish Charles Warner would put a regular posting out here for events at > Warner-Crivellaro...its much closer to home for me..... :-) Margaret, He puts 'em on his home page. Do you have that URL? Albert ---- >> That was exactly my point to your Newsletter item. Although I feel you have valuable input to provide regarding SG, a post referencing a URL and new events and then to spell out all the events including classes being offered is a bit much. A post referencing something new, and where to find it, IMHO, would suffice. Someone recently did that - in the subject field, he called it what it was - Self promotion - and then in post stated there was a recent update and to check it out. That person received a lot more respect from me than the backdoor approach. :-) Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 22:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:56:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:54:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.45457.0> Precedence: bulk ...and by the way, Len and I have never communicated privately about it. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 22:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:09:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:08:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.5847.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 23:26:06 EST, you write: << likely); information on any written material I can get giving the history of the art in that era; >> Albert Lewis should be able to help you in this aspect. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 22:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:26:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Daniel Germans Bio Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:24:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.172451.0> References: <<199803260353.WAA00314@ppp2.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk > > Right Daniel it will be posted this Saturday ... warts, frostbite and all. Patrick Roses and Rainbows > > > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 22:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:52:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Wvrosiegal" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.135229.0> Precedence: bulk In most cases you will know more than the observer. I did the Oregon State Fair (750,000 to 900,000) people over 11 days for 2 summer as a working craftsman. The thing that most attention was my "cutting" of plain single strength window glass. I would take a 2" wide strip about 6" long and cut in half the long way, cut the inch strip into a 1/2" piece, cut it again into a .25" strip, and again cut it to .125". At that point I would ask if anyone thought I could cut it again assuming it would be a 1/16" by 6... I said sure I can.....I cut the 6" length into two 3" pieces. They just assumed it would the skinny way. Another mental game I played was to pre-score a few pieces of window and when an old timer mentioned that scissors could be used to cut glass, but under water only, I would take the pre-scored glass and bend it a bit with the scissors, and of course it followed the pre-score and did break. Learn a bit about the mechanics of why and how glass breaks, show how to score and break glass. Most visitors will not spend a lot time to become artisans while you explain. The ones who look at your work from the inside, seem to look around the work without looking at it, probably have "done glass". Watch and ask if these visitors have ever done any and after a while you will be able to pick up on experienced glassers. As a last tidbit...DO NOT give up your day job for this show! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 22:49:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:31:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: check for quality (lack of) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:01:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.5156.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Howard on the info...gives me another set of standards to ensure my own quality work. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 23:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:39:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: lmartz@ibm.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:37:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.53759.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 23:50:52 EST, lmartz@ibm.net writes: << After all the discussion on using the I/V bags for a drip into the grinder and where to find them and such, a thought occured to me - what about those water bottles used in hamster/gerbil cages? They might be a lot easier to come by and may work just as well. I don't have one to try, but I'm sure someone out there has a kid with one to test. Laura, glass list lurker >> I think there is a vendor out there that has something similar attached to the splash guard. I remember seeing an ad. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 23:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:03:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: lmartz@ibm.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:01:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.6151.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, While I've been following this thread with interest, the one question that hasn't been asked yet is this -- are you okay now? I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through such grief with your health. I'm glad you were able to come away from the situation with something positive and helpful but to tell you the truth, I've been more concerned about you than the IV bag idea! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 23:15:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:07:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:cheap "imports" was: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199803260606.BAA00786@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar25.23440.0>> Precedence: bulk > less than US$0.50 a piece. There no way, _NO WAY_ a person can match > that price (it takes 30 minutes _at least_ to print _one_ photo). The Sorry, an erratum: I should have said: "it takes me 30 minutes..." -- Daniel M. German "In science, read, by preference, the newest works; in literature, Georges Leclerc Buffon -> the oldest." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 23:26:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC2 From: NEOGLASSIC2@webtv.net (Andrew) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:39:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199803260539.VAA15276@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk An added note: Warner-Crivellaro has a website. If you want to see what's new there....go there. The IGGA has a website. If you want to see what's new there.....go there. Stained Glass Biz has a website. If you want to see what new there....go there. Len...I'll side with you on this one. Albert...How many people on bungi are going to go to New York? While I appreciate the fact that you want "to get the word out", but don't you think that everyone here already knows about SGB & the IGGA and the fact that those sites have the information that you continue to post here? People don't live for bungi, I would guess and correct me if I'm wrong, that the people who read bungi also might just stop in at SGB or the IGGA website? Andrew ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 25 23:29:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:21:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Uplight/Downlight Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:19:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.61959.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Gary, I saw the ad for Uplight/Downlight in the back of Glass Patterns Quarterly today and I can't wait to get my hands on this one! I asked my local retailer but she doesn't have it yet (and at times, it takes quite a while before she gets things in), so I'd like to know how I can get a copy right away? Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 00:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:55:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar25.195551.0> References: <<1998Mar26.45238.0>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Margaret41 wrote: > Although I feel you have > valuable input to provide regarding SG, a post referencing a URL and new > events and then to spell out all the events including classes being offered is > a bit much. > ...and by the way, Len and I have never communicated privately about it. I agree with you Margaret! Sorry, I wasn't available recently for the show of hands. I DO NOT agree with using this forum for commercialism, whether it be for IGGA, Warner-Crivellaro, Walmart or Suter's Stained Glass. I would personally love to see this list become spam-free, devoted to the sharing of the love of creating with glass. I have invited a number of glass artists to join this group. Without fail, each of them has contacted me with concern about being a member of "IGGA's e-mail group" without paying dues. Several of them have left the group because of the commercialism. Their knowledge and glass experiences are lost to us. Sad! I feel certain the commercial promotions will not end. Can't it be curbed somewhat? Would it be so unreasonable to include announcements as part of the signature? Something like: Shirley Suter Intrastellar Internet Service (Check out this great site! http://freeware.intrastar.net ) Then, anyone interested can go there. The uninterested aren't flogged with unsolicated commercialism. .....and by the way, Len and I HAVE communicated privately concerning many topics, including this one. He is a WONDERFUL debater, is knowledgeable, experienced, articulate and refreshingly honest. To be his friend would be nothing less than an honor. ....and just for the record: I communicate privately with many people in this group. To quote a new friend, "Whoopee do!!" Shirley Suter President of Columbia Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 02:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:19:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.91940.0> Precedence: bulk At , Frank wrote: >Greetings, > >Well I must say that I probably don't cut glass THAT fantastic but I thought I >did a reasonable job. I find that I must grind every piece at least for a few >seconds to clean off any sharp points. Is this not normal?? > >Most pieces need to be cut using more than one score. Where two scores meet I >usually have a tiny point of glass. Is this not normal?? > >Any suggestions on how to improve?? > >Also when using the groziers, I find it is not very easy to get rid of every >last tiny bit of the given point. Any suggestions?? > Frank, what sort of glass cutter are you using? If you feel you are due for a new one and have access to a stained glass supplies shop in Malta it might be worth asking them to let you try the variations that are available and you may find one that helps you cut better. If you have no luck locally, drop in to our shop next time you visit England. We always give a mini cutting lesson to anyone buying a new cutter from us if they are not confident of their cutting skills. Sometimes a more experienced crafter just watching your technique can suggest ways of improvement. Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 02:31:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:55:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Demo Advice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > << likely); information on any written material I can get giving the history > of > the art in that era; >> > > Albert Lewis should be able to help you in this aspect. As far as I know (we're talking about the 18th century, right? The 1700s, right?), there was no stained glass being done in this country. The use of stained glass began being popular again in the 1820s in England during the Gothic Revival period. The use of stained glass had not only flagged and faded, but many windows had been smashed and removed during political upheavals in France and England. When stained glass began being installed in this country, it was for the most part imported from England, France and Germany. I think it'd be safe to say that the majority of church windows in this country today are still of English and German manufacture. But I'm no historian and don't pretend to be. I only know about the above because I read it in books. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 03:04:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New-york bound? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Albert...How many people on bungi are going to go to New York? I dunno. All I do is make the information available. > While I appreciate the fact that you want "to get the word out", but > don't you think that everyone here already knows about SGB & the IGGA > and the fact that those sites have the information that you continue to > post here? No, I don't think that. I get maybe 8-10 emails a day from people who've just discovered glassworking, who want to know where they can take a class, buy materials, buy a book. At that rate, we're talkin' about 3,000 people a year ... bungi's the tip of the iceberg at (what was it? 300?). > People don't live for bungi, I would guess and correct me if > I'm wrong, that the people who read bungi also might just stop in at SGB > or the IGGA website? Not if they don't know about them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 03:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:28:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: No more posts? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Sorry, I wasn't available recently for the show of hands. I DO NOT agree > with using this forum for commercialism, whether it be for IGGA, > Warner-Crivellaro, Walmart or Suter's Stained Glass. I would personally > love to see this list become spam-free, devoted to the sharing of the love > of creating with glass. IGGA: not commercial, in fact its web site is free Warner-Crivellaro: commercial, but so what? They give away stuff Walmart: haven't seen 'em here (yet) Stainedglassbiz: not commercial, all free UrbanGlass: not commercial, an educational institution It strikes me as odd that my 35-line post about classes that might be of interest to glass craftspeople (like those who frequent this list) would generate hundreds of lines of complaints about something that was freely given and for which nothing was asked. Geez, if I'd posted the descriptions of the classes and their instructors, it would have been a book and I might have been justifiably scolded! > I have invited a number of glass artists to join this group. Without fail, > each of them has contacted me with concern about being a member of "IGGA's > e-mail group" without paying dues. Several of them have left the group > because of the commercialism. Their knowledge and glass experiences are > lost to us. Sad! I hit the delete key on about 99% of what comes in from bungi, which doesn't mean it's not important to someone, it's just not important to me ... or I can't contribute to the discussion. I guess the above-mentioned glass artists have delete keys on their computers, too. As for being a member of "IGGA's email group," why do they think that? They're never asked if they're members; they in fact don't have to be members; it's not IGGA's email group, but the Rands ... etc. ... and so why don't you just set them straight, telling them there's no such requirement? > I feel certain the commercial promotions will not end. Can't it be curbed > somewhat? Would it be so unreasonable to include announcements as part of > the signature? > Then, anyone interested can go there. The uninterested aren't flogged with > unsolicated commercialism S'funny you're taking this tack, Shirley, since when glass@bungi was closed down, you contacted IGGA about putting up a new group on your company's server. I guess you didn't think IGGA was all bad. Besides, anyone can go here now. Is the IGGA News Memo spam? Don't think so. It's sent to members of IGGA, suppliers to the members (who don't pay anything) and one copy is sent to glass@bungi.com ... one copy is not spam. A million copies of a message is spam, particularly when it's not wanted by those who receive it. Is it wanted here? I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 03:44:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:28:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: Howard and Elaine Rubin Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: check for quality (lack of) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar26.02938.0> References: <<01bd5866$983bb440$LocalHost@howardru>> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Howard. You'll get no flame from me. My point in asking you to make the list you provided was to help those of us who want to sell our work to make our case for quality over imported stuff. I think your comments will be very helpful. Bob Cutler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 04:03:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:29:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > If Charles put his listings of new events on _his_ home page, then does > that mean that bungi is the home page for the IGGA? > > Andrew No, of course not. I've sent 14 short messages since December 1, 1997 about new stuff I'd found or put up myself. I don't know how many messages bungi's had since then, but I'd bet my posts have been less than a flyspeck on the gaze of heaven. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 04:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:24:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , "'SusieHUs'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I/V bag for water drip Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.12532.0> Precedence: bulk Thankyou Susie, Yes, I am fine. It took two doctors visits and an emergency room visit = before they realized the severity of the hives (I was having difficulty = breathing) in addition to looking like a dalmation. But all is well. No = more Pennicilin, sulfa or Ceftin for me. Thanks for asking.=20 Linda Linda, While I've been following this thread with interest, the one question = that hasn't been asked yet is this -- are you okay now? I'm sorry to hear = that you had to go through such grief with your health. I'm glad you were able = to come away from the situation with something positive and helpful but to tell = you the truth, I've been more concerned about you than the IV bag idea! Susie ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 05:02:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:51:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:53:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.1536.0> References: <> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Albert, I enjoy seeing the posts, kind of a reminder to go to the other sites and check them out, as i mentioned before, if folks can't or don't want to handle the IGGA stuff, just delete them!!! Very easy to do, or skip over them, that's easy too. Anyway, my vote is to keep on keeping on! Rick Lasita http://home.fuse.net/crafts/index.html > > I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be > posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 05:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:57:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:55:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.115513.0> Precedence: bulk Well......I was trying to stay out of this discussion, but when others are attempting to control the information I receive or not receive I WILL get involved. The ONLY people who WILL control the information I receive on bungi will be the Rands. For those who do not want to know updates on different sites USE the scroll or delete buttons, that's what they are there for. I want to know updates, web sites, people, retail & wholesale sites, etc...... that are even remotely glass connected. I will be the one to decide what I read and what I don't. I personallly thought that after Albert told about the update and how to get to the information on classes, it was sufficient; however, I also thought that he then proceeded to list them was a little excess, but I was able to scroll through the list quickly with just a flick of the finger. If Howard telling bungi, and therefore me, that he has forms for lamps to rent is spamming.....spam me. This is information *I* will use in the future, if someone else won't then scroll or delete. There has been alot of information about photography on bungi, not of particular interest to me so I scrolled, but I sure am glad to know I can still get to it through the archives. It also appears that there was alot more behind the issue between Albert and Len. That is between them but it sure showed some peoples "true colors", didn't it? If there is a subject that is glass related in any way and that's called spamming, then spam away. IMHO of course. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 05:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:25:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: No more posts? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:31:41 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > It also appears that there was alot more behind the issue between Albert and > Len. Len questioned my motives in private email to me. I explained why I do what I do (and how much I get paid: zip). He didn't believe me and told me so, profanely. I filtered him out of all email incoming to me. I don't know him personally and have no idea why he took the attitude he did, why he refuses to believe that I do IGGA work for nothing, didn't request the email addresses of IGGA board members when I offered them, so must prefer to believe whatever it is he believes regardless of facts. I can't help that, but I don't have to read anything from him, so I don't. That's the complete extent of my relationship with Len. I didn't air our private correspondence on this forum, although I mentioned that *someone had taken issue with what I do (I didn't even indicate the gender of the "someone"), but apparently he has taken his feelings on these subjects to the forum. I can't see them any more ('cause he's filtered), but I apologize to the rest of you that you have to put up with such non-glass nonsense. I'm done with this particular subject. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 05:45:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:59:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Never too much info (was:Re: IGGA News Memo) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:58:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar26.1585.0> References: <<199803260539.VAA15276@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Andrew wrote: > An added note: > > Warner-Crivellaro has a website. If you want to see what's new > there....go there. > > The IGGA has a website. If you want to see what's new there.....go > there. > > Stained Glass Biz has a website. If you want to see what new there....go > there. > > Len...I'll side with you on this one. > Albert...How many people on bungi are going to go to New York? I'm not taking sides with either of the above, but taking issue with Andrew. There are more folks than you think interested in working a glass event into their travels. I read eagerly events posted from all corners of the world. For example, the posting of the Mexican glass artists association bulletin here has made me one good friend and several acquaintences. I just missed the Chartres trip last year, but still keep in touch with Elisabeth in the UK. There are many contacts to be made from this list. Not everybody can take advantage of all of them right now, but that doesn't mean that we should all be deprived of them. As the IGGA memos and other notices are always clearly marked, it's quite possible for those chained to a UNIX box in lovely Grapevine TX (hi, Shirley! kisses!) to delete stuff without reading it, if they feel there is never any hope of using the info. Me, I always hope I'll get a chance to visit new places and meet new glass friends. Now that I think of it, last year, we heard enthusiastic reports from folks all over the east who went to a big Warner-C teaching event on fairly short notice. I believe Dorothy has already been requesting campground info for this year's event, so she can plan her vacation around it, and the event is not until in August. Bungi was well represented at least year's WC show/demo. As I'm not a regular WC customer I'd've missed a lot if they hadn't publiciized the event right here. Wouldn't it be nice to hear about some of the west coast events for people who might be in the midst of vacation planning? Jim of Spectrum, are you sponsoring anything fascinating this year? > > While I appreciate the fact that you want "to get the word out", but > don't you think that everyone here already knows about SGB & the IGGA > and the fact that those sites have the information that you continue to > post here? Sorry, that's a false premise. Just like radio or TV, there are new folks tuning in every minute. > People don't live for bungi, I would guess and correct me if > I'm wrong, that the people who read bungi also might just stop in at SGB > or the IGGA website? Personally, I try to keep my web browsing to a minimum, because it's such a deliciously fascinating way to be distracted from other work I should be accomplishing. I don't even fire up the browser until I have a good reason, like a teaser on bungi, to go there. To restate my plea: don't deprive those of us with hopes of expanding their glass horizons. All the best, Mary Armstrong ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 05:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:04:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: I/V Bag For water drip or Re-Inventing the wheel Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.3449.0> Precedence: bulk I am new to the hobby and a lurker at best. Since I have limited knowledge to offer advice on stained glass I prefer to read rather than write. However, I purchased a Diamond tech 3000 saw that came equipped with a bottle, tubing and a "petcock" valve for just this purpose. I'll bet that it can be purchased separately. If not, any jar with a screw on lid, plastic tubing, a "petcock" from any hardware store or tropical fish seller and gravity should do the trick. This would beat all the questions from a medical wholesaler about what you intended to do with the I/V bag. Ciao, Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 06:08:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:11:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:12:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar26.3120.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Well, at the risk of prolonging what appears to be turning into an argument ----- I like the IGGA postings, Albert. I don't regard the information as "spam." Just my opinion, but I do think some of the readers on the list overreact on this issue. Use the delete key! I would not have found stained glassbiz without Albert's post. I visit that site regularly now. Franly, I like posts from all with an interest in glass at whatever level of skill or private/commercial/retail - whatever. If I want to read it I will. If not - I delete it. Enough. Thanks for listening - or deleting, whichever. Bob Cutler On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Sorry, I wasn't available recently for the show of hands. I DO NOT agree > > with using this forum for commercialism, whether it be for IGGA, > > Warner-Crivellaro, Walmart or Suter's Stained Glass. I would personally > > love to see this list become spam-free, devoted to the sharing of the love > > of creating with glass. > > IGGA: not commercial, in fact its web site is free > Warner-Crivellaro: commercial, but so what? They give away stuff > Walmart: haven't seen 'em here (yet) > Stainedglassbiz: not commercial, all free > UrbanGlass: not commercial, an educational institution > > It strikes me as odd that my 35-line post about classes that might > be of interest to glass craftspeople (like those who frequent this > list) would generate hundreds of lines of complaints about something > that was freely given and for which nothing was asked. Geez, if I'd > posted the descriptions of the classes and their instructors, it > would have been a book and I might have been justifiably scolded! > > > I have invited a number of glass artists to join this group. Without fail, > > each of them has contacted me with concern about being a member of "IGGA's > > e-mail group" without paying dues. Several of them have left the group > > because of the commercialism. Their knowledge and glass experiences are > > lost to us. Sad! > > I hit the delete key on about 99% of what comes in from bungi, which > doesn't mean it's not important to someone, it's just not important > to me ... or I can't contribute to the discussion. I guess the > above-mentioned glass artists have delete keys on their computers, > too. As for being a member of "IGGA's email group," why do they think > that? They're never asked if they're members; they in fact don't have > to be members; it's not IGGA's email group, but the Rands ... etc. > ... and so why don't you just set them straight, telling them there's > no such requirement? > > > I feel certain the commercial promotions will not end. Can't it be curbed > > somewhat? Would it be so unreasonable to include announcements as part of > > the signature? > > Then, anyone interested can go there. The uninterested aren't flogged with > > unsolicated commercialism > > S'funny you're taking this tack, Shirley, since when glass@bungi was > closed down, you contacted IGGA about putting up a new group on your > company's server. I guess you didn't think IGGA was all bad. Besides, > anyone can go here now. > > Is the IGGA News Memo spam? Don't think so. It's sent to members of > IGGA, suppliers to the members (who don't pay anything) and one copy > is sent to glass@bungi.com ... one copy is not spam. A million copies > of a message is spam, particularly when it's not wanted by those who > receive it. Is it wanted here? > > I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be > posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. > > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 06:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:50:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No more posts? I'm with Lu Ann!!! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.14247.0> References: <<1998Mar26.115513.0>> Precedence: bulk Whispy Blu wrote: > Well......I was trying to stay out of this discussion, but when others are > attempting to control the information I receive or not receive I WILL get > involved. The ONLY people who WILL control the information I receive on bungi > will be the Rands. For those who do not want to know updates on different > sites USE the scroll or delete buttons, that's what they are there for. I > want to know updates, web sites, people, retail & wholesale sites, etc...... > that are even remotely glass connected. I will be the one to decide what I > read and what I don't.............. I rarely quote this much of someone's posts, but this time it's right on the button! Thanks Lu Ann for saying exactly what I wanted to say. Between 2 other mail lists (on varying subjects) and my business I receive anywhere from 400-800 emails each and every day...I have become quite adept at using the delete key when it's necessary! Albert... I think the IGGA is performing an informative service and happen to know that the 2 people I forwarded to the bungi list are not IGGA members...this list is the only way they can get info like that...thanks for your hard work! LJ ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 07:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:50:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:47:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.14730.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Generally a lurker here...partly because of all the "non-glass" slamming that tends to go on which makes me quite leary about posting any ideas/thoughts I might have about stained glass (up until recently I've been afraid that "I" might get slammed, not because of the glass subject I wanted to talk about, but because of some personal thing about my e-mail, i.e., the way I wrote it, the spelling I used, etc.). The following comes out of frustration seeing people trying to change other people, and not just let them be who they are, PLUS the fact that these people are continually getting this e-mail list OFF the subject of stained glass. Albert Lewis wrote: > I, for one, personally feel if it weren't for some of these people (connected to IGGA, Warner, etc.) then we would lose out on the sharing of some very important tips/information. I remember recently someone who lived no where close to a retailer and looked for help in buying lamp bases, of which a few replied that they carried them and what the price(s) would be. Why should these helpful people only be allowed to talk about their business/organization when we "need" something? In my mind, this isn't fair. At least THOSE people are sharing information about stained glass. I am amazed when I see some of the people here spend their energy not in discussing tips/ideas about stained glass, but instead slam other people, concentrating on what they DON'T like about a certain person's e-mail posts. Maybe these people have too much time on their hand? Maybe they're suffering from cabin fever? Whatever the case is, I don't mind getting the posts about IGGA...I believe in letting people be who they are, in letting them do what they do, and if I don't like it or agree with it, then there's that little button on the keyboard that will fix that problem (of course, there I go, assuming everyone has that same key on their keyboard...but then again, maybe it's broken from overuse and thus they're forced to read e-mails they'd rather not read). > If the same people are making these complaints (and other similar complaints in the past) maybe they would be better served if they started their own e-mail list and thus could govern it the way they see fit. I understand this group is comprised of MANY different personalities, but it's getting awfully sickening to continually see people slamming each other. But then this isn't a perfect world, is it? If it were, none of the slamming posts for the last year or so would have happened to begin with. Tracy (who is now running to duck under some very heavy furniture to shield her from what might follow) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 07:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Demo Advice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:30:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199803261435.OAA21456@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Rosie, This Show in October with 18th 19th Century Theme sounds fascinating. It's a pity you don't have more time to plan and make. How I would have approached it, would have been to extend the theme further beyond just "being dressed for the part". For instance, I would have made reproductions of 18th & 19th century items for sale (that would probably exclude bird-houses and lamps that needed electricity). I would also make part of my stand as a 18th Century "workshop", demonstrating some element of the stained glass process using "old" tools (perhaps an old non-electric/non-gas soldering iron heated over a fire. This of course would involve a certain amount of research (your local library should be a starting point) and practice runs with the tools.My handouts and stand literature would also be made to look as close to the era as possible, so would my wrapping, and all other small details of my stand (including the money-box). The very last detail would be for my own clothing - one can achieve quite a lot with small touches A lot of people will most likely spend a lot of money to "dress the part", but doing, displaying and selling items that the visitors see on lots of Shows anyway and anywhere.. How many items to pack for sale, is anybody's guess; it is one of these mystery questions. How many other stained glass exhibitors? Will it be raining for those days? Have the visitors arrived with pleny of money in their pockets? Have they quarrelled over breakfast? Did the car break down getting there? (Just make sure that you can respond to commissions). By changing the focus, I think you might achieve a most arresting and certainly different result, which will have the audience totally on your side and make them come flocking to visit your stand. By doing something that no-one else is doing, you don't need to look over your shoulder and worry about how you "measure up against them". You're in a class of your own! Howzat! ;-) Hope this has given you some ideas.... Will be interested to know how you tackled the Show and what the outcome was. Keep us posted. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Rosie wrote: invited to participate in a show this Oct. The show will be held in an 18th century historical town and all participants are to dress for the era and demonstrate their skills (mine being stained glass, of course). This is the 55th annual show, so I know the other crafters have their acts down pat. I have participated in two major shows in the past, and have panels, lamps, lanterns, birdhouses, etc. to offer for sale. My dilemma is that I want to come up with a demo (of which I have to do 50% of the time during the 3-day affair), that will address stained glass as it was made and used in the 18th and 19th centuries. small to work on in order to show the process of assembling prepared cuts of glass. The suggestions I need are: a small item that can be precut and packed for travel; an idea of how many I'llneed (30,000 participants are likely); information on any written material I can get giving the history of the art in that era; and last - but not least - a "warm & fuzzy" reassuring me that these demonstrations are nothing to be nervous about. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 07:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:16:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New-york bound? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >> People don't live for bungi, I would guess and correct me if >> I'm wrong, that the people who read bungi also might just stop in at SGB >> or the IGGA website? > >Not if they don't know about them. > >Albert Albert, Maybe you could include the IGGA website address in your messages, like "check out the new glass courses at www....., and if people want to they can check it out, but I don't think that you have to re-post everything here that gets posted there. Also, it's not personal, everyone here enjoys and benefits from your experience and expertise in this field. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 07:43:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:44:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Albert Lewis" , Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:42:39 -0600 Message-ID: <199803261440.IAA15469@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Mr Lewis said >I hit the delete key on about 99% of what comes in from bungi, which >doesn't mean it's not important to someone, it's just not important >to me ... or I can't contribute to the discussion. Wow! Mr Lewis said: it's not IGGA's email group, but the Rands ... etc. True, the Rands do provide the server space. But.......isn't it also true that the IGGA has exclusive access to the names and email addresses of all the glass@bungi subscribers? Please correct me if I am wrong. Mr Lewis said: >Is the IGGA News Memo spam? Don't think so. It's sent to members of >IGGA, suppliers to the members (who don't pay anything) and one copy >is sent to glass@bungi.com ... one copy is not spam. A million copies >of a message is spam, particularly when it's not wanted by those who >receive it. A very narrow archaic definition. A broader definition would be " Any unsolicited advertising or promotion via electronic media that does not allow said solicitation to be discontinued upon request " Remember, it was not that long ago when your fax machine spit out junk mail all day. Not any more, people who cared put an end to it. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 08:01:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:59:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: photographing mirror Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980326145537.0068483c@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Cindy: When I photograph my mirrors I try to hang them on a light coloured wall, then stand to the side and slightly below. I change my position until there is nothing reflected but another plain light coloured wall. You could try a couple of different angles, just make sure that you don't end up in the picture. This usually works for me. Linda At 03:37 PM 25/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > Looking for some answers to photographing mirror, have an okay camera, but >haven't got a clue on the in's and out's of it as of yet:) I've taken some >shots outside before and they seem to be the best, but this time of year >everything is looking pretty bad...short of making up a tent is there >something else I could be doing? >Cindy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 08:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:03:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Never too much info (was:Re: IGGA News Memo) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:57:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199803261503.PAA26337@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thank you Mary, I have been "stewing" over this one for a few days. In your usual straight forward way, you have expressed my sentiments exactly, and also my own reasons why. Had it not been for Alberts postings, I would not have found out about Julie Sloan's group visit to UK (even though I can't afford to join it..), or about other events taking place in Europe AND USA, or about the Swedish glass event a few months ago. As it is, I spend far too much time on the computer, so any info to ease and help my WEB-travels are more than welcome! As regards long titles and suffixes and other "plugs", they are there if you need them, when you don't - ignore them. But there are new people out there ALL the time... The analogy with a radio station is a good one. My 2 cents worth Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who are still working on getting Mary "Over Here"!) Mary wrote: ( a few ) I'm not taking sides with either of the above, but taking issue with Andrew. There are more folks than you think interested in working a glass event into their travels. I read eagerly events posted from all corners of the world. For example, the posting of the Mexican glass artists association bulletin here has made me one good friend and several acquaintences. I just missed the Chartres trip last year, but still keep in touch with Elisabeth in the UK. There are many contacts to be made from this list. Not everybody can take advantage of all of them right now, but that doesn't mean that we should all be deprived of them. As the IGGA memos and other notices are always clearly marked, it's quite possible to delete stuff without reading it, if they feel there is never any hope of using the info. Me, I always hope I'll get a chance to visit new places and meet new glass friends. > > While I appreciate the fact that you want "to get the word out", but > don't you think that everyone here already knows about SGB & the IGGA > and the fact that those sites have the information that you continue to > post here? Sorry, that's a false premise. Just like radio or TV, there are new folks tuning in every minute. > People don't live for bungi, I would guess and correct me if > I'm wrong, that the people who read bungi also might just stop in at SGB > or the IGGA website? Personally, I try to keep my web browsing to a minimum, because it's such a deliciously fascinating way to be distracted from other work I should be accomplishing. I don't even fire up the browser until I have a good reason, like a teaser on bungi, to go there. To restate my plea: don't deprive those of us with hopes of expanding their glass horizons. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 08:40:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:03:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Fw: Fwd: It's YOUR list Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:03:42 -0600 Message-ID: <199803261502.JAA17372@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Glassfolks, If anyone is wondering why we have not heard from Mike Peck lately ( for the newbies) a professional glass artist and studio owner who was a long time and highly respected contributor to this list.... here's why Fowarded with his ** permission as clearly stated in his post** >Len, > >I got a copy of the note you posted to bungi from a friend that is still >subscribed to the list ... I unsub-ed a few weeks ago, but still get >many "courtesy copies" of this kind of material. Just wanted to let you >know that I agree with you 100%. I fact, I tried to take up a similar >issue with Mr Lewis myself, in private, and he wouldn't even give me the >courtesy of replying. He simply started sending me some personalized >digs in his public posts, without identifying anyone of course. And, I >didn't have to put up with that childish nonsense, so I left. There are >too many other list serves around that promote stained glass and >generate enthusiasm. Bungi was a great list for a long time, but has >really gone south because there IS fragmentation, and there is >dissention, and there is a lot of arrogance. > >I really did appreciate your comments, Len. In fact, if you want to >post this note to bungi, feel free. I just ask that you post it in its >entirety. > > >Mike Peck >Head Honcho, Top Dog, Sole Proprietor, His Grace, >HMFIC, The Buck Stops Here, Da Man....., Chief Bottle Washer, >CEO and President of all in front of me. >Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 08:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Albert Lewis" , Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:32:42 -0600 Message-ID: <199803261531.JAA20094@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >Len questioned my motives in private email to me. I explained why I >do what I do (and how much I get paid: zip). He didn't believe me and >told me so, profanely. Yes I admit it I did use one word in an exchange of hundreds of words with Mr. Lewis that might be construed by some as being profane. The word was.......... turn away now if you can't handle the shock...... bullsh*t. I guess its the dunking seat for me. Unfortunatly I was unable to come up with a suitable synonym at the time. When Mr. Lewis informed me that I had so offended his sensabilities far more deeply then I ever anticipated . I did say " bovine fecal matter" in a subsequent post. I feel much better now that I have relieved myself of this burden of guilt. ;-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:15:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "daver!telusplanet.net!lanas" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.5380.0> Precedence: bulk > ><< > I wish Charles Warner would put a regular posting out here for events at > > Warner-Crivellaro...its much closer to home for me..... :-) Wow- I haven't looked at bungi for a few days - a lot of messages bungi is a small town electronic newspaper. Some people read the newspaper for NEWS and some people read the newspaper FOR ADS. Even plain and simple advertising can be very informative. IMHO eliminating commercials would reduce the value of the list to most subscribers. For example the above quote, The writer has been in my store, knows my URL and for that matter has written to me personally (not on this issue I hasten to add). It is not practical for the average person to go to a list of different pages for things of interest to them on a daily or weekly basis. Charles Warner charles@warner-criv.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:43:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Albert Lewis" , Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro postings Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:44:13 -0600 Message-ID: <199803261541.JAA21022@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk > >No, of course not. I've sent 14 short messages since December 1, 1997 >about new stuff I'd found or put up myself. I don't know how many >messages bungi's had since then, but I'd bet my posts have been less >than a flyspeck on the gaze of heaven. Mr. Lewis has sent approx 20 posts in less then a month promoting his association's interests. Just for the record. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:25:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:43:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: No more posts? I'm with Lu Ann!!! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980326094252.00814550@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Mar26.115513.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree with LuAnn as well. I don't believe there has been any excess commercialism or spam from anyone. Albert happens to be in a position where he hears about a lot of glass-related events before the general public and is kind enough to share those events with the rest of us. I belong to IGGA, but I don't visit the web site all that much, so I appreciate it when he posts brief messages of what's new, and at Stained Glass Biz, as well (though to be honest, I haven't figured out how he became involved there, I thought that was someone else's site). If you don't like what's in a message, you can always hit the ol' delete key, and if you personally feel there's too many messages that you don't like, well, you can always unsub from the list (and IMHO deprive yourself of a lot of great info). Steph ~ >Whispy Blu wrote: >> Well......I was trying to stay out of this discussion, but when others are >> attempting to control the information I receive or not receive I WILL get >> involved. The ONLY people who WILL control the information I receive on bungi >> will be the Rands. For those who do not want to know updates on different >> sites USE the scroll or delete buttons, that's what they are there for. I >> want to know updates, web sites, people, retail & wholesale sites, etc...... >> that are even remotely glass connected. I will be the one to decide what I >> read and what I don't.............. ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:54:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: WhispyBlu@aol.com, alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:49:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.154930.0> Precedence: bulk This is so well said, it speaks exactly what I feel too. I just had to repeat the post. << Well......I was trying to stay out of this discussion, but when others are attempting to control the information I receive or not receive I WILL get involved. The ONLY people who WILL control the information I receive on bungi will be the Rands. For those who do not want to know updates on different sites USE the scroll or delete buttons, that's what they are there for. I want to know updates, web sites, people, retail & wholesale sites, etc...... that are even remotely glass connected. I will be the one to decide what I read and what I don't. I personallly thought that after Albert told about the update and how to get to the information on classes, it was sufficient; however, I also thought that he then proceeded to list them was a little excess, but I was able to scroll through the list quickly with just a flick of the finger. If Howard telling bungi, and therefore me, that he has forms for lamps to rent is spamming.....spam me. This is information *I* will use in the future, if someone else won't then scroll or delete. There has been alot of information about photography on bungi, not of particular interest to me so I scrolled, but I sure am glad to know I can still get to it through the archives. It also appears that there was alot more behind the issue between Albert and Len. That is between them but it sure showed some peoples "true colors", didn't it? If there is a subject that is glass related in any way and that's called spamming, then spam away. IMHO of course. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: No more posts? I'm with Lu Ann!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:02:18 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > receive anywhere from 400-800 emails each and every day...I have become > quite adept at using the delete key when it's necessary! Eeyow! Are you running a service desk for Microsoft or something? Or are those glass-related questions? I'm impressed. > I think the IGGA is performing an informative service and happen to know > that the 2 people I forwarded to the bungi list are not IGGA > members...this list is the only way they can get info like that...thanks > for your hard work! You're welcome, LJ. And so's anyone/everyone else who finds it helpful. That's why we do it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 09:53:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:28:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Mail Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:26:21 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Can we please find something about glass to discuss here and drop the opinion poll taking already. If I feel that someone is posting something that shouldn't be,..I'll let them know. In the mean time if you don't want to read something,..just delete it okay? Not everyone will be pleased with how this list should run but I think we are getting off the topic of glass again. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Duck 'n' cover? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:02:18 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Tracy (who is now running to duck under some very heavy furniture to > shield her from what might follow) Your comment immediately called to mind the great film from the Fifties, "Duck and Cover," that showed how to avoid the effects of nearby atom bomb blasts by crawling under the picnic tablecloth. Had a catchy tune, if I remember aright. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:58:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lemon Oil Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.05557.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Good Morning my fellow Bungians, Just a very dumb question here about the lemon oil use in preventing oxidation. Doesn't the oil make your glass streaky? Thanks all. Dianne M. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:17:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:33:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Windsor Castle restoration. Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199803251800.SAA00690@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Way back in December of last year there was a query on Bungi about where to get a video of a TV program on the restoration of Windsor Castle, this program was shown both in the U.K. and the U.S. at about the same time. I had missed the program myself due to an unfortunate tendancy to fall asleep during programs that I am enjoying, so I set about trying to run it to earth. Information that I found at that time was that it would be released in two weeks (mid December) so I passed that info on. Unfortunately it is still promised in two weeks, as it also was in mid Feb.. However, last weekend I was in the vicinty of Windsor Castle so I dropped in to have a look at the repairs & renovation and found that they have the video there, both in U.K. and U.S. formats. So for anybody still interested after the long wait and this (almost) longer e-mail, you can get it from:- Royal Collection Enterprises Ltd., Saxon Tower, Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire SL4 1NJ. tel: +44 (0) 1753 868286 fax: +44 (0) 1753 832290 The video is very good, there is even some stained glass in it but mostly it just shows realy fine workmanship. Cost of the video is 10 U.K. pounds (about $16.50) but I have no idea what mail costs would be. Mike Simpson. p.s. I was going to put in the standard disclaimer - that I had no connection with the above organization, but as it is a Royal thingy and as I am a subject of the Queen that would be a lie. :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:27:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:07:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New-york bound? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:14:53 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Maybe you could include the IGGA website address in your messages, like > "check out the new glass courses at www....., and if people want to they > can check it out, but I don't think that you have to re-post everything > here that gets posted there. Also, it's not personal, everyone here enjoys > and benefits from your experience and expertise in this field. Thanks, Sarah, but I thought one of the big complaints from the (2-3?) real complainers was that I do exactly that (as below). Besides, I kinda get excited when I've just added 50 new works to the Light Show at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ ... I want to share that terrific work and really don't see anything wrong with a short message saying, "Hey! I just added fifty terrific pieces of glass work by artists from around the world and here's how you get there and this is what you click on to see them." Okay, you and a number of other people already know they're there, but many don't and that's why I mention it. The whole point of whatever I post is to share info or work ... at least it's about glass and not venetian blinds (a spam about which I just received). The "bad" signature: Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:14:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:08:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.6857.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Sorry, I wasn't available recently for the show of hands. I DO NOT agree > > with using this forum for commercialism, whether it be for IGGA, > > Warner-Crivellaro, Walmart or Suter's Stained Glass. I would personally > > love to see this list become spam-free, devoted to the sharing of the love > > of creating with glass. > > IGGA: not commercial, in fact its web site is free > Warner-Crivellaro: commercial, but so what? They give away stuff > Walmart: haven't seen 'em here (yet) > Stainedglassbiz: not commercial, all free > UrbanGlass: not commercial, an educational institution > > It strikes me as odd that my 35-line post about classes that might > be of interest to glass craftspeople (like those who frequent this > list) would generate hundreds of lines of complaints about something > that was freely given and for which nothing was asked. Geez, if I'd > posted the descriptions of the classes and their instructors, it > would have been a book and I might have been justifiably scolded! > > > I have invited a number of glass artists to join this group. Without fail, > > each of them has contacted me with concern about being a member of "IGGA's > > e-mail group" without paying dues. Several of them have left the group > > because of the commercialism. Their knowledge and glass experiences are > > lost to us. Sad! > > I hit the delete key on about 99% of what comes in from bungi, which > doesn't mean it's not important to someone, it's just not important > to me ... or I can't contribute to the discussion. I guess the > above-mentioned glass artists have delete keys on their computers, > too. As for being a member of "IGGA's email group," why do they think > that? They're never asked if they're members; they in fact don't have > to be members; it's not IGGA's email group, but the Rands ... etc. > ... and so why don't you just set them straight, telling them there's > no such requirement? > > > I feel certain the commercial promotions will not end. Can't it be curbed > > somewhat? Would it be so unreasonable to include announcements as part of > > the signature? > > Then, anyone interested can go there. The uninterested aren't flogged with > > unsolicated commercialism > > S'funny you're taking this tack, Shirley, since when glass@bungi was > closed down, you contacted IGGA about putting up a new group on your > company's server. I guess you didn't think IGGA was all bad. Besides, > anyone can go here now. > > Is the IGGA News Memo spam? Don't think so. It's sent to members of > IGGA, suppliers to the members (who don't pay anything) and one copy > is sent to glass@bungi.com ... one copy is not spam. A million copies > of a message is spam, particularly when it's not wanted by those who > receive it. Is it wanted here? > > I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be > posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass uh oh wathch out albert, she might not like what she's read and bounce all of your mail back to you too; like she's still doing to me. i personally don't mind seeing the extra stuff. i personally ignore and delete what i don't need to see. but if i'm looking for particular info about igga, etc. all i would need to do is to go to a message and click on the link. i for one would like to see suter's stained glass. she's owns the isp, yet i can't find a site of her's on there. i'd like to see her work, for then i can see if she has any talent behind her mouth. i've seen her post maybe once or twice a week if that. and when she does open her mouth it's usaully something negative to say... i'm glad bungi did'nt move to that isp. imagine the rules she'd require: no quoting at all, no sig lines, no talking about nothing, or she'd kick you off the list... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:34:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cheap "imports" was: Too much grinding Not enough cutting! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:31:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.163124.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-25 23:32:51 EST, dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca writes: << But you have to accept that technology changes everything and that it has changed SG. >> Daniel, No, in the words of the great philosopher, Cindy Lauper " Money!.....Money changes EVERYTHING......yes, money.....money changes every- thing!................" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 10:54:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:37:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: photographing mirror Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:35:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.73553.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cindy Pesonen > Looking for some answers to photographing mirror, have an okay camera, but haven't got a clue on the in's and out's of it as of yet:)< May I suggest you purchase a copy of the excellent book, "Photographing Your Craftwork: A Hands-On Guide for Craftspeople" by Steve Meltzer, professional craft photographer and regular columnist for "The Crafts Report" magazine? It is excellent. Has an excellent chapter just on photographing glass including mirror. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 11:05:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:19:58 -0600 Message-ID: <199803261718.LAA00417@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be >posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. Please do it via personal mail to Mr Lewis. Lets close this out please. If you care to, you can Cc me your vote. I'll volunteer to verify the count. ;-) This will be my last post to bungi...unless someone tries to defame me again Whatever Mr Lewis might try and lead you to believe....... Remember what was at issue here: 1...Should references to business interests be restricted to the signature line of posts 2... Can the IGGA setup a seperate email account so that folks who wish IGGA info can receive it *automatically* (pretty easy to do for a html geek) and those who subscribe to glass @bungi don't have to see it Sure a lot of people are hungry for glass info... thats cool..... but what we were debating is not WHETHER you get it but HOW you get it..........get it? Thats all folks! A certain party has seen fit to take cheap shots at me.... (stopping just short of libel) and other bungians that disagree with him. It has come to light that there are many more incidents of this then I ever suspected. Some of the personal mail I received was very disturbing. That's unfortunate, it was not my intention start a war. But it all came out in the wash and I'm glad it did Whatever the result of the show of hands is, I will be unsubscribing... not because I would feel any sense of defeat... it wasn't about that... I played it straight from day one. Only because I would prefer not to associate my name with a person who I had respected but who in my opinion, hides behind a facade of sophistication and selfless contribution to the betterment of SG. A person who is really, IMNSHO nothing more then dime a dozen huckster and cheap shot artist in a fancy suit. Sorry, but this is all very upsetting. Where's my pills? I'll be alright :-) Looking foward to talking to some of you on a different SG list. I'm just not sure where that is yet.. hey Mike Peck where are you hanging out these days? Like someone said bungi was a great list with a lot of potential, but those days are long gone.....boy, what a waste :-( Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 13:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Such a shame Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980326122016.006a7898@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk It's happening again, isn't it? Can someone please tell me how long and how ugly this round of 'HE SAID, SHE SAID' is going to last? I believe I will UNSUBSCRIBE until it's over. Having to weed through so many posts, to find any TRUE SG INFO, wastes too much time. Such a shame. In the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just .... get along"? Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 13:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:26:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kiln Supplier Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: <199803261726.JAA05015@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Howdy again...Does anyone know of an E-mail place or mail order that handles glass kilns? I have been interested in this for some time, however eryone I ask quotes me an arm and a leg (as well as my first born son; and I have 4 daughters!!; so this is too pricey for me!!) Does anyone know if it is possible to build one? Thanks Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 13:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:32:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stop the p*ssing contest was Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.73933.0> References: <<199803261440.IAA15469@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Generic response to the group about all this BS Anyone with access to a list server, and knows how, can get this information. Listserv and majordomo have commands that can tell a s*bscriber (who knows how) - who is a member, - how many times each member has posted etc. If someone at IGGA knows how to do this, it's not part of a conspiracy, it just might be someone there is more computer literate than others. There seems to be an ongoing thread with the general theme of 'I'm OK, you suck'. One of the things I liked about this group was the common interest in glass seemed to keep the flame level pretty low. People could have ongoing bipartisan discussions without it getting personal. (FTMP). Not having the interest to actually count them, my observation has been that this IGGA issue has been the majority of volume over the past two days, and has no sign of slowing down. Do people on this list have a major need to stratify the membership? Is life so empty the only jollies you get is feeding on confrontation? As to needing membership to join bungi, it has been MY experience (having staffed the IGGA table at Glass Visions at W/C BEFORE I became a member) is that ALL the people working the table said 'bungi was open to anyone with net access FOR FREE, NO MEMBERSHIP REQUIRED'. If your associates feel guilty about getting something for free, maybe that's their problem, not bungi's or IGGA's. IF you get the digest form, and you are complaining about having to scroll through posts you would rather not see, maybe you should consider dumping the digest and taking the individual post option. If you are not on the digest, and you are exposed to stuff you don't want, get familiar with your mail reader and learn to set up filtering, which depending on your software, allows you to ignore posts based on who sent it, or subject matter. If you don't want to bother with that, then use the delete key as soon as you see a post from someone or having a subject you don't like. > True, the Rands do provide the server space. But.......isn't it also true > that the IGGA has exclusive access to the names and email addresses of all > the glass@bungi subscribers? Please correct me if I am wrong. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: My apologies Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:29:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.1299.0> Precedence: bulk my apologies for adding my two cents on the bungi line but... It was this very nonsense that led to the shutdown of bungi the last time. Len if you don't like it filter or delete, I am more tired of getting complaints about generous volunteers than I am about information related to glass, even if it is a repeat for the benefit of newcomers and others. There are other forums, maybe there is one more to your liking where you can control the content, maybe you could start one and put in the kind of time that Mr. Lewis does. Please stop trying to control the content of this one. I have done more than my share of volunteer work and it always amazes me how those on the sidelines will complain, find fault with, and try to direct, and sometimes even throw insults and/or sarcasm at those who are willing to put the free time in to help others. I wonder sometimes if people like this are only trying to get bungi shut down as some kind of power trip. and by the way Len " Any unsolicited advertising or promotion via electronic media that does not allow said solicitation to be discontinued upon request ", I think that all you have to do is request that you be dropped from bungi and you will find the "unsolicited" material will stop (I would have thought that you had requested the bungi subscription) Also if you are so against unsolicited mail why do I keep getting your E-mail, I only solicited glass related material, is this you way of getting past Mr. Lewis' filter by "spaming" bungi with your "cause"?. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- Mr Lewis said Mr Lewis said: Mr Lewis said: Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:12:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "len alcamo" , "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Please, take it off line . . . Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:17:15 -0800 Message-ID: <199803261802.KAA27431@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Aww, come on you two, take it off line. Let the rest of us get back to glass. My poor delete button is getting warn out! Jean ---------- > >No, of course not. I've sent 14 short messages since December 1, 1997 >. > >Albert -------------- > > Mr. Lewis has sent approx 20 posts in less then a month promoting his > association's interests. Just for the record. > > Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass painting Infomercial Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.84620.0> Precedence: bulk To everyone- As most of you probably know, = Michael and I own a professional full-service custom glass shop in Colorado. We have also for several years marketed our kiln-fired glass painting services to other professional shops across the country via our web site. We are no longer providing this service to other artists and will be killing the site as soon as we can get our site designer off his duff. If you'd like to visit one last time, please stop by at http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios Will let you know when Albert gets our page on the IGGA site - first I have to = send photos to him. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:54:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Informative postings Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.84627.0> Precedence: bulk "Concern about being a member of IGGA's e-mail group without paying dues" (??) = What in heavens name does that mean, Shirley? If I understand this correctly, are you implying that people were asked to join IGGA so they could remain bungi participants? This is the polar opposite of any experience I have ever had with bungi, IGGA, Albert, etc. In fact, I practically had to BEG to get information to join IGGA. I, for one, appreciate getting some of that so-called spam (really, the only spam I've ever gotten is through bungi with regard to Russian babes - that's what I call spam) because it's just that much less time spent on the computer. As a professional, I = consider those postings a matter of professional courtesy - information exchange - nothing more or less. In truth, I think most people who come and go rather quickly, do so for two reasons: 1. bungi takes too much time. 2. the off-topic squabbling gets wearisome. Both can result in wasting time and when the price gets too high, the obvious solution is to bow out. I'm getting close to that stage = myself. And it has nothing to do with an overload of advertising on bungi... good grief! The spam tirades are more likely to be the end of my patience! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:29:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Frame for X-Stitch Help? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:31:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.8311.0> Precedence: bulk I have designed a frame for a piece of x-stitch that a friend made. It's = kind of simple art nouveau. My question is this. Should I insert the = clear glass inside of the colored frame or will it be okay to make the = clear glass the same size as the outside of the frame and simply overlay = the frame? Like this ______ _______ ----------------------------- I sort of like the idea of the frame being raised above the glass but = am worried about cleaning between the frame and clear glass during = construction and afterwards. Ideas please. Thanks, Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:44:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:08:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Mail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:15:38 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > we are getting off the topic of glass again. Righto, Glenna. Thanks. For those who are interested, I've set my software to send the memos only to members of IGGA and suppliers. My 122 words have generated thousands in response, much more bandwidth consumption than ever was intended, and lots of heat and anger. Those who want announcements like the seven I've sent this month will just have to (blatant plug for "commercial" invitation follows) join the Guild, I guess. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:38:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.apple.com!karens From: Karen Schroeder To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Home and Garden Show Advice Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 11:58:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199803261959.LAA07068@scv4.apple.com> Precedence: bulk Sorry to interrupt the current flame fest... My partner and I have reserved a booth at a local Home and Garden Show in May. The organizers are concerned about competition so they have asked us to restrict ourselves to "outdoor" items - stepping stones, bricks, benches, pots, etc. This will be our first show, does anyone have any advice on what to take, how to set up the booth (10x10), display techniques, pricing suggestions,... Thank you in advance for your help, Karen Schroeder Hummingbird Designs Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 14:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Such a shame Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980326154631.006a07ec@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk It's happening again, isn't it? Can someone please tell me how long and how ugly this round of 'HE SAID, SHE SAID' is going to be? I believe I will UNSUBSCRIBE until it's over. Having to weed through so many posts, to find any TRUE SG INFO, wastes too much time. Such a shame. In the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just .... get along"? Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 15:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:16:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Mail Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.95527.0> References: <> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk Ok Heres a glass question..... I know there were some discussions recently about pricing. But I am still left with some of my own. I am new to this craft of stained glass. However I think I am doing some nice work. I have also been told by my teacher (3rd generation stained glasser). I don't want to over-price or under price what I make. I can already see that if I am going to be able to make as many thing as I want. I am going to have to be able to support my habit a little. I recently made a butterfly for my mon on her birthday. I was asked by her neighbor to make her one. When I finished it I gave her the price (by using earlier email means of pricing) the lady told me she was sorry but no way would she pay that. I really think it was fair. It had a lot of difficult cuts and some really nice glass. (looks good in my kitchen). As a newcomer..... can I ask a full price for my work? Don..... Glenna Rand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Can we please find something about glass to discuss here and drop > the opinion poll taking already. If I feel that someone is posting > something that shouldn't be,..I'll let them know. In the mean time > if you don't want to read something,..just delete it okay? > Not everyone will be pleased with how this list should run but I think > > we are getting off the topic of glass again. > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 15:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284 To: Northernlights@pobox.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:59:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar26.215924.0> Precedence: bulk Bravo Tracy........I couldn't have said it better myself!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 15:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kiln Supplier Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803262216.OAA16872@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 26 13:49:23 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Kiln Supplier >Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:26:00 -0800 >Precedence: bulk > Hi Wayne, I'm up in 100 Mile House, and I got mine from Greenbarn Potters in Surrey, they have glass kilns also. I think mine is an Olypimic??? They do cost, but it's alot to do with the size factor. Mine was around the $1200.00 MARK but it's 20" x 30" inside. Hey, four daughters boy are you in for it...yo. Courtenay... on the island? Well, there you go all that beauty no wonder you had four daughters!! But you better stop it. You can shop around for kilns but I found it easier with the supplier close at hand. Cindy >Howdy again...Does anyone know of an E-mail place or mail order that handles >glass kilns? I have been interested in this for some time, however eryone I >ask quotes me an arm and a leg (as well as my first born son; and I have 4 >daughters!!; so this is too pricey for me!!) >Does anyone know if it is possible to build one? >Thanks > > >Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address >2960 Suffield Road, >Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 > >ICQ # 2762376 >Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 > "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 15:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:29:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lemon Oil Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:27:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803262227.OAA11466@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Mar 26 10:19:28 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: flash.net!artglass >From: "Dianne G. Maddison" >To: bungi >Subject: Lemon Oil >Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:55:57 -0800 >Organization: The Ivory Express >Precedence: bulk > Hi Dianne M, I use Kem-pro wax for my glass and have found the cleaner I keep my work the better. I solder as I go alot and very handy with the can of spray cleaner!!! But to answer your question... The only lemon oil I've used is for my furniture and it has to be polished dry. Cindy >Good Morning my fellow Bungians, >Just a very dumb question here about the lemon oil use in preventing >oxidation. Doesn't the oil make your glass streaky? Thanks all. >Dianne M. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 16:07:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My apologies Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:31:57 -0800 Message-ID: <199803262231.OAA28870@ark.com> Precedence: bulk >To: "Glenn Spicer" >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >Subject: Re: My apologies >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >I have to agree with you Glenn. I have sat back and watched this kiddies parade for some time. (I am off work sick and am REALLY BORED!!!) It is very hard to figure out how many posts we have all had to endure coming out of a 'glass related' subject just to watch two 2 year olds go at it at my expense! Who the HE** CARES! Grow up the both of you (and anyone who is immature enough to encourage them) >--I SURE HOPE I AM AS GOOD AS THESE TO INDIVIDUALS AT STAINED GLASS WHEN I'ME 2! > >> >> >>my apologies for adding my two cents on the bungi line but... >> It was this very nonsense that led to the shutdown of bungi the last time. >>Len if you don't like it filter or delete, I am more tired of getting >>complaints about generous volunteers than I am about information related to >>glass, even if it is a repeat for the benefit of newcomers and others. >>There are other forums, maybe there is one more to your liking where you >>can control the content, maybe you could start one and put in the kind of >>time that Mr. Lewis does. Please stop trying to control the content of this >>one. I have done more than my share of volunteer work and it always amazes >>me how those on the sidelines will complain, find fault with, and try to >>direct, and sometimes even throw insults and/or sarcasm at those who are >>willing to put the free time in to help others. I wonder sometimes if >>people like this are only trying to get bungi shut down as some kind of >>power trip. and by the way Len " Any >>unsolicited advertising or promotion via electronic media that does not >>allow said solicitation to be discontinued upon request ", I think that all >>you have to do is request that you be dropped from bungi and you will find >>the "unsolicited" material will stop (I would have thought that you had >>requested the bungi subscription) Also if you are so against unsolicited >>mail why do I keep getting your E-mail, I only solicited glass related >>material, is this you way of getting past Mr. Lewis' filter by "spaming" >>bungi with your "cause"?. >>Glenn Spicer, >>The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>Mr Lewis said >>Mr Lewis said: >>Mr Lewis said: >>Len >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 16:10:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:04:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Frame for X-Stitch Help? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:59:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.125938.0> References: <<1998Mar26.8311.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I have designed a frame for a piece of x-stitch that a friend made. It's = > kind of simple art nouveau. My question is this. Should I insert the = > clear glass inside of the colored frame or will it be okay to make the = > clear glass the same size as the outside of the frame and simply overlay = > the frame? > > Like this > ______ _______ > ----------------------------- > > I sort of like the idea of the frame being raised above the glass but = > am worried about cleaning between the frame and clear glass during = > construction and afterwards. Ideas please. > > Thanks, > > Linda Campbell > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it may be difficult to shove the cloth in there. maybe if you got the colored back glass, and the front clear glass and sandwiched the cloth. then get the glass sandwich and shove it into a frame made of brass channel. ___ <------outside of wide came |UUUUUUUU - back glass --------- - cloth |UUUUUUUU - front clear glass ___ <------other side of wide came ultimitly the fram would be empty, then you can clean off or even switch the material inside. the came channel would need to be extended from the back... an idea anyway (though a little hard to imagine with this crude caveman drawing). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 16:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:39:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stop Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:38:42 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Stop the p*ssing contest was Re: No more posts?" on Mar 26, 12:39, Carl Childers writes:] > Generic response to the group about all this BS > Anyone with access to a list server, and knows how, can get this information. > Listserv and majordomo have commands that can tell a s*bscriber (who knows how) > - who is a member, - how many times each member has posted etc. This is not the case. First, we don't use majordomo to do the list services. We use a perl script that I wrote in 1989. Glenna, personally, handles all the mail to glass-request, which is why bizzare requests like "Please send me the glass mail", and "I don't want to get any more mail" work. There is no ability for someone other than Glenna or myself to obtain the list of participants to the glass list via a command. We do not share the addresses with anyone. It *is* possible for someone to download the archives, and obtain the address of people that have posted to the list. There is no conspiracy. The IGGA requested space on my web server, and (after me making the rules clear) I permit them web space here. Just like I do for certain other companies. I do this at no cost, just like all of the other services I provide here. At no time does *anyone* pay me for any services derived from the equipment heap known as "bungi.com" For those that are interested, bungi.com spans a 12 mile gap, with the bulk of the equipment located in our house. There is a 7' enclosed rack, with 400 lbs of batteries in the bottom, many computers, several routers, and other gear terminating 12 phone lines, 3 ISDN lines, 3 T1 links (two clear channel, and 1 frame relay). The other site has my high bandwidth news server (10 Mbps), and is connected via the two T1 links (3 Mbps) back to the house. -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 16:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:24:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Windsor Castle restoration. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:18:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199803262323.XAA24539@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well done Mike (Simpson), and many thanks!! (Gosh, that's quite a memory!!) I saw the programme myself, but forgot to turn the video on, so I will most definitely hot-foot to buy it! Will probably also try and get 1 or 2 US-versions as well. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mike Simpson wrote: However, last weekend I was in the vicinty of Windsor Castle so I dropped in to have a look at the repairs & renovation and found that they have the video there, both in U.K. and U.S. formats. So for anybody still interested after the long wait and this (almost) longer e-mail, you can get it from:- Royal Collection Enterprises Ltd., Saxon Tower, Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire SL4 1NJ. tel: +44 (0) 1753 868286 fax: +44 (0) 1753 832290 The video is very good, there is even some stained glass in it but mostly it just shows realy fine workmanship. Cost of the video is 10 U.K. pounds (about $16.50) but I have no idea what mail costs would be. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 16:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:24:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Donald Davis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Mail Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:20:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.13205.0> References: <<1998Mar26.95527.0>> Precedence: bulk Donald Davis wrote: > > Ok Heres a glass question..... I know there were some discussions > recently about pricing. But I am still left with some of my own. I am > new to this craft of stained glass. However I think I am doing some > nice work. I have also been told by my teacher (3rd generation stained > glasser). I don't want to over-price or under price what I make. I can > already see that if I am going to be able to make as many thing as I > want. I am going to have to be able to support my habit a little. I > recently made a butterfly for my mon on her birthday. I was asked by > her neighbor to make her one. When I finished it I gave her the price > (by using earlier email means of pricing) the lady told me she was sorry > but no way would she pay that. I really think it was fair. It had a > lot of difficult cuts and some really nice glass. (looks good in my > kitchen). As a newcomer..... can I ask a full price for my work? > Don..... > out of curiosity, how much did you charge? also for the future i probably would have quoted her a price in the beginning. some peopl have no idea what it takes to make these things (or how much the materials are). like my aunt gave me some money for a new computer, but she had no idea that they cost well over $2000, more like $3000. and the $500 she gave me would cover the monitor (though i of course kept the money)... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 17:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:44:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass list'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD58E6.8D03C9C0" Subject: To All Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.133942.0> Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD58E6.8D03C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All at Bungi.Com, I have said a little prayer that this verbal battle stops soon. I = for one enjoy the Info that I receive via this list. But all this back = and forth B/S about she said and he said, is like listening to children = in the 1st or second grades. I really throught I joined an adult glass list,so lets cut the crap = and share about glass related items Thank yoy, Tim Byrnes ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD58E6.8D03C9C0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ii4XAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAGUAAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAua3jrobvPEZ/kREVTVAAAZIMAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNz ICBsaXN0AFNNVFAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEA AAAQAAAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAAA4AAAAnZ2xhc3Mg IGxpc3QnAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5HSS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6 AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAIKNgEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEI AQSAAQAHAAAAVG8gQWxsAPwBAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcDABoAEgAnACoABABZAQEggAMADgAAAM4HAwAa ABIAHAAPAAQAMwEBCYABACEAAAA0ODdFMDUzMUM1QzREMTExOUZFODQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADVBgED kAYAPAMAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDgOxFzEFm9AR4A cAABAAAABwAAAFRvIEFsbAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAb1ZEHLOMQV+SsTFEdGf6ERFU1QAAAAAHgAe DAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABEAAAB0YnlybmVzQHNuZXQubmV0AAAAAAMABhAeiBBE AwAHEDIBAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABUT0FMTEFUQlVOR0lDT00sSUhBVkVTQUlEQUxJVFRMRVBSQVlF UlRIQVRUSElTVkVSQkFMQkFUVExFU1RPUFNTT09OSUZPUk9ORUVOSk9ZVEhFSU5GT1RIQVRJUkVD RUlWRVZJAAAAAAIBCRABAAAA1QEAANEBAACYAgAATFpGdWUDOnH/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkC AGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3RlbQKDM/cC5AcTAoB9CoAIzwnZAoAHCoENsQtg bmcxMDMvFFALChRRC/EgGVNUb5UUsGwDIGEFQEJ1F8DkaS4IUG0sCoUKhRlThEkgEYB2ZSBzC3Ci ZBoQIGxpAkBsHHDJE1BheQSQIHQRgAVASx3gBAAgHGByYgdAICcesB0jE8BvcAQgc2/9AiAuHAIC EAXAAiAccAnwmGpveR3RHHBJbgIQRx3UHCAWEGNlaRxhdv8HMB4kHQATwCAAGlAFQAdApwMgHjMe sGNrGhBuHMD3IFEd4BpALwXwAaAIYAVAnnMhQRyUJNEmFSwgIxPeaxxwI0IJ8AuAZx3QGcB7EXAD EGQWEAOgC4AhIzF/E8AggAXAEbAFoCTRCcBh+Q2wcy4a/yIDI+EhEgNg+HVnaCHyIPALgAmAJLHR GhBkdWwFQGcLYAQRvSNCLB/AHPARwAQgYyOx8yEyBQBhcCSzJgAKwBxw/yWkLmQWEAtgE9AcwB0Q E+CqcysPVBGAbiSgeSEA9xrtB2EaQHkEoAeQCoUVMQIANnAAAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAQAAH MKB5EtoOWb0BQAAIMKB5EtoOWb0BHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAADO ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD58E6.8D03C9C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 17:18:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'Glasss Group'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Another useful hospital item Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:05:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.12528.0> Precedence: bulk I use the small stick sponges that are on a hard rolled paper stick type handle for applying patina. I just trim down the sponge a little so it isn't as wide at the top. Can be reused after rinsing, keeps the patina off your hands and fingers, and I have much better luck with color being more consistent ( no bronze coloring shows up using black patina like it sometimes does when I use Q-Tips.) These sponges are used for mouth swabs on patients who have had surgery and can not drink water immediately after. Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 17:31:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:51:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Mail Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.135111.0> References: <<351AE2A5.2F6B@nac.net>> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk Well...... In a recent post when another Lady asked the same question. His rate was $60 per square foot . and 1.50 per cut piece of glass. Then he added a charge for difficulty or boredom etc. The butterfly is 1.25 square ft. It contains 46 pieces of cut glass many of the pieces of glass were (for me anyway) difficult and tight inside curves. They ended up cut out of a glass I should have known better than to try. (Wasted most of the piece).To make a long story I asked her $150............. is that too much? Don't worry about hurting my feelings. I really need to know what is what if I am going to sell some of this. I honestly think and have been told that my work is good. So I hate to sell my stuff short or too cheap. Thanks for replying!!! Don................ M. Savad wrote: > Donald Davis wrote: > > > > Ok Heres a glass question..... I know there were some discussions > > recently about pricing. But I am still left with some of my own. I > am > > new to this craft of stained glass. However I think I am doing some > > > nice work. I have also been told by my teacher (3rd generation > stained > > glasser). I don't want to over-price or under price what I make. I > can > > already see that if I am going to be able to make as many thing as I > > > want. I am going to have to be able to support my habit a little. I > > > recently made a butterfly for my mon on her birthday. I was asked > by > > her neighbor to make her one. When I finished it I gave her the > price > > (by using earlier email means of pricing) the lady told me she was > sorry > > but no way would she pay that. I really think it was fair. It had > a > > lot of difficult cuts and some really nice glass. (looks good in my > > kitchen). As a newcomer..... can I ask a full price for my work? > > Don..... > > > > out of curiosity, how much did you charge? also for the future i > probably would have quoted her a price in the beginning. some peopl > have > no idea what it takes to make these things (or how much the materials > are). like my aunt gave me some money for a new computer, but she had > no > idea that they cost well over $2000, more like $3000. and the $500 she > > gave me would cover the monitor (though i of course kept the money)... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects > Added > and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 17:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:13:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Glass painting Infomercial Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.14137.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: All, INTERNET:GLASS@BUNGI.COM DATE: 3/26/98 11:27 AM RE: Copy of: Glass painting Infomercial To everyone- As most of you probably know, = Michael and I own a professional full-service custom glass shop in Colorado. We have also for several years marketed our kiln-fired glass painting services to other professional shops across the country via our web site. We are no longer providing this service to other artists and will be killing the site as soon as we can get our site designer off his duff. If you'd like to visit one last time, please stop by at http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios Will let you know when Albert gets our page on the IGGA site - first I have to = send photos to him. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 17:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:50:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------668F24AD82C13EDD152D66CA" Subject: Immature Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.114817.0> Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk --------------668F24AD82C13EDD152D66CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this BB was about GLASS...not a debate BB..Grow up people..stop being so... immture..Lets get back to the subject of Stained Glass and related material.s...Theres a lot of good information waiting for some of us that needs it..YOU ACT LIKE SOME SPOIL KIDS.. LETS kick back and enjoy this site and be happy. Thanks. Walter@the glass safari --------------668F24AD82C13EDD152D66CA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this BB was about GLASS...not a debate BB..Grow up people..stop being so... immture..Lets get back to the subject of Stained Glass and related material.s...Theres a lot of good information waiting for some of us that needs it..YOU ACT LIKE SOME SPOIL KIDS.. LETS kick back and enjoy this site and be happy.
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Walter@the glass safari --------------668F24AD82C13EDD152D66CA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 18:14:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass in Chicago Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hello to all, a Customer from us want go in some moth to USA. He ask me: What i could see in near from or in Chicago about Stained Glass. Know anybody what i could tell him. Maybe Museum, Churches or Exceptions..... Thanks in advanced, herbert Email: Tiffany-Glaskunst@t-online.de Home: http://www.bastelzauber.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 18:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hands n' Stuff Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:15:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.131555.0> Precedence: bulk I have both hands and feet in the air (try typing in that position) for posting anything to do with glass. For the Nay-sayers "Relief is just a delete key away" If it ain't glass its half-assed(sorry, just couldn't resist). Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 18:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:29:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: Linda Campbell , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I/V bag for water drip Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:26:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.132632.0> References: <<1998Mar26.12532.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda, I had a similiar experience and had a very strong urge to chase firetrucks. The only problem I had was when they stopped suddenly, that caused a broken nose and a strange look from the hook and ladder guy. Just Kidding. I'm happy you are better now. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Linda Campbell wrote: > Yes, I am fine. It took two doctors visits and an emergency room visit = > before they realized the severity of the hives (I was having difficulty = > breathing) in addition to looking like a dalmation. But all is well. No = > more Pennicilin, sulfa or Ceftin for me. Thanks for asking.=20 > > Linda > > Linda, > > While I've been following this thread with interest, the one question = > that > hasn't been asked yet is this -- are you okay now? I'm sorry to hear = > that you > had to go through such grief with your health. I'm glad you were able = > to come > away from the situation with something positive and helpful but to tell = > you > the truth, I've been more concerned about you than the IV bag idea! > > Susie > ---- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 19:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:47:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199803270133.RAA19446@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Don wrote: > I recently made a butterfly for my mom on her birthday. I was asked by > her neighbor to make her one. When I finished it I gave her the price > (by using earlier e-mail means of pricing) the lady told me she was sorry > but no way would she pay that. I really think it was fair. It had a > lot of difficult cuts and some really nice glass. (looks good in my > kitchen). As a newcomer..... can I ask a full price for my work? > Don..... ----------------------- Hi Don I am a hobbiest and always compare my prices to others. I feel my price should be equal to all individuals whose quality equals mine, but less than 'gift shops'. They, necessarily, need to charge more to cover their higher overhead. How many pieces were in your butterfly? That and the intricacy of the pattern would, I believe, be the determining factor. From past discussions on this topic on Bungi, I suspect you will be told that your number one mistake was in not setting your price up front (a mistake we have all made!). I have taken that advice and now always respond to inquiries with, "Yes, I'd love to make one for you but I'm afraid I would have to charge $xx, that may be more than you are willing to pay, but with the amount of time involved I'm afraid I am unable to do it for less". Some say "OK", some say, forget it. Either way, I'm ok with it. Good Luck, Jean jean@lasercom.net ICQ #7131940 NetMeeting: Bonnie Nrmn ils1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 19:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:59:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.95914.0> References: <<199803261435.OAA21456@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Sorry, don't know who posted this originially. I am doing the same thing in Sept. in a little community of Philomath Or. It is called Shrewsbury Reniassance Faire. They say "Come play faire with us". I like that. Anyway, they have alot of guide lines and info about the era, they give in their packact. If you want I could send you copies. I was going to ask Elisabeth if there are tapes available, so I can learn to speak in the fashion of 18th century elizabethan time. Having an English war bride for a mother puts me a little ahead of the game.(Now you know how old I am) Anyway, I am really looking forward to this show. Any and all advise info is welcomed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 19:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:54:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!vlclover From: vlclover@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:44:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.14426.0> References: <<1998Mar26.115513.0>>> Precedence: bulk You probably don't want my opinion on all of this, but I'm going to give it anyway... I really think this is getting old. I have been deleting most of the bungi posts. This is my favorite list, and I hate to think I am missing out on some really great advice by deleting! Laurean P.S, It seems to be the men on this list that start all the trouble! ;-D _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 19:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:53:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cei.net!larrye From: ejl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:59:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980327025907.00682d44@cei.net> Precedence: bulk >was.......... turn away now if you can't handle the shock...... bullsh*t. I >guess its the dunking seat for me. Shame...shame. If only you'd said "hockey". What a shame. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 20:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:04:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp37.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:Glass in Chicago Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199803270301.WAA00574@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> References: <> Precedence: bulk My personal recommendation: The Art Institute has a Chagall Window: American Window. It is beautiful. -- Daniel M. German "My friends would think I was a nut, Solsbury Hill, Peter Gabriel -> turning water into wine" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 21:51:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:27:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: SusieHUs@aol.com Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:36:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.173633.0> References: <<920dc5d0.3519f392@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Susie, Glad you like them You can order them online at our website at www.dodgestudio.com . Just shipped the first couple of batches out to distributors, but it takes a while before they filter down to all the smaller shops. Gary Dodge _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 22:50:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:39:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Demo Advice Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:37:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.173759.0> Precedence: bulk There is an organization called "The Society for Anacranisms", I find out more about it and post it. The devle into the reniassance period. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 26 23:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:56:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: goldpaws To: "Boatwright, Walter" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3A5C5ADC0DE05A184454CE05" Subject: Re: Immature Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.19555.0> References: <<1998Mar26.114817.0>> Precedence: bulk --------------3A5C5ADC0DE05A184454CE05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very-Very well said. Lets play nice children!!!!!!! I joined this list list to learn more about glass. NOT to listen to adults act like 2 year olds. Goldpaws The more I see of people-Give me a DOG .They are much more pleasant to deal with. From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 00:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No more posts? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:11:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.71131.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-26 06:31:15 EST, you write: Albert's post included: << S'funny you're taking this tack, Shirley, since when glass@bungi was closed down, you contacted IGGA about putting up a new group on your company's server. I guess you didn't think IGGA was all bad. Besides, anyone can go here now. >> Tacky, tacky, tacky Albert. Its a shame its about 2AM here and I've got other priorities over the next few days.....Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 01:04:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:56:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dfly.com!wilk From: "Michael R. Wilk" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Demo Advice Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:54:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.15543.0> Organization: Dragonfly Software Precedence: bulk > There is an organization called "The Society for Anacranisms", I find > out more about it and post it. The devle into the reniassance period. I believe you are referring to The Society for Creative Anachronism. To learn more about the group, visit http://www.sca.org. -Michael Wilk wilk@dfly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 01:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:07:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Informative postings Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:06:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.8642.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-26 17:33:30 EST, you write: << the off-topic squabbling gets wearisome. >> I agree...makes you not want to see what the next post might be...but then again, it could really be about sg. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 02:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:07:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass painting Infomercial, can't get it. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:04:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.9450.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Dani, I have tried unsuccessfully to reach your website and would love to see it. Is any one else having a problem or is it just me? I used the address you stated: http://www.eme.usa.net/greerstudios. Thanks for any help. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 02:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:16:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IV drip Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:15:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.91558.0> Precedence: bulk I use my IV drip bag for drilling holes in glass. It saves a lot of time and hassles as it is much easier to use instead of irrigating the grinder bit with a soaked sponge as is necessary so as not to destroy the diamond bit. (I have done this in the past) I attained mine during my aunt's hospital stay. I explained why I wanted the bag and the nurse just handed me new tubing with her used bag. No contagious infections on my aunt's part so I felt pretty safe using the used bag. To refill, I simply turn the water on a slow but steady stream to fill. I have a friend who is an RN who hooked up the new tubing for me. This has saved me $25.00, which is the cost of a similar set-up listed in a glass supply catalog. Good safety pointers from the bungis who know about infections. Thank you, I will keep this in mind for when my bag dies. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 04:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:03:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lead came, craft myth? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199803261217.MAA00464@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Over the years I have often heard a story about lead came that I would like some concrete details on, mostly as to whether it is true or only an interesting myth. The story, as heard on the radio, seen in one book and heard several times from S.G. artists goes as follows:- Early this century a maker of lead came adopted an alloy for making came. Mostly lead, but with additions of zinc and tin it was easier to cut, took smoother bends, had a smoother and shinier crown and appeared to keep it's finish longer than pure lead. This new came was widely adopted because of all the advantages it offered and many craftmen would not think of using anything else. After ten and even twenty years the cames still looked good but they were corroding from the inside, the alloy was turning to sponge. After fifty years even the panels protected from the weather were falling apart and almost none of the work done with this came has survived to the present day. What I would like is some details, preferably with authoratitive citations, Titles of books, journals etc. that have furthur info would be helpful. I need this info for an article that I am putting together on why traditional craftmen are so averse to adopting new materials and techniques before thay are well proven. Thanks for any help that you can give. Mike Simpson. p.s. I have ne reason to believe that modern lead came which sometimes contains some alloying ingredients will suffer the same fate. Knowledge of corrosion has come a long was in this century. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 04:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:34:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Demo Advice Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199803271132.LAA29027@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Shirley et al, The first post originated from a lady called "Rosie" (newbie??) There seem to be a little bit of clash of eras between yourself and Rosie. For those interested doing the same kind of show "Across the Pond", it's worth bearing in mind the differences between the various Periods. English Renaissance is roughly between 1350 and 1600, with writers such as Chaucer and Shakespeare . Elizabeth I died in 1603, so it would be "pushing it" a little to consider her belonging to the 17th Century... However there is an enormous amount of sound recordings and films about this period (of which I would probably go for Chaucer to recreate speech and clothing of the "common" man/woman). 17th & 18th Century (Rosie) is a little more difficult to recreate, since the giants of literature are fewer and further between (people were too busy killing each other in all sorts of wars, perhaps..). In England this - in essence - marks also the period of Oliver Cromwell, the Restoration Period and the Great Plague. ( Newton, Locke ,Berkely, Hume, Dryden , Bunyon, Robert Burns). However, from American point of view, it is also the period of The Mayflower, The Pilgrim Fathers. As a theme, perhaps a "much-flogged-horse", that maybe everyone else on the Show will be aiming for...? One way, perhaps, to avoid this pitfall is to represent The Pilgrim Fathers on your stand BEFORE they arrived in America, rather than AFTER, if you see what I mean.... The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) are particularly good at their historical plays and reproductions. There are plenty of videos and sound recordings available to buy. BBC also has their own WEB-site. I don't have their exact URL, but will find out, if you like. BBC will also have sound recordings of English Regional dialects and speech. Shrewsbury is a cathedral/ Abbey town, on the River Severn in the county of Shropshire (sort of North of England). Shrewsbury is also an old Market Town in where Charles Darwin was born, so you should get plenty of further references, especially from the BBC. I hope this has given you a few more foot-holds to grab on to with your historical theme Shows. Let me know if I can help further.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shirley wrote: Sorry, don't know who posted this originially. I am doing the same thing in Sept. in a little community of Philomath Or. It is called Shrewsbury Reniassance Faire. They say "Come play faire with us". I like that. Anyway, they have alot of guide lines and info about the era, they give in their packact. If you want I could send you copies. I was going to ask Elisabeth if there are tapes available, so I can learn to speak in the fashion of 18th century elizabethan time. Having an English war bride for a mother puts me a little ahead of the game.(Now you know how old I am) Anyway, I am really looking forward to this show. Any and all advise info is welcomed. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 06:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:45:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lets Get this Together Positively!!!! Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:35:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.133519.0> Precedence: bulk It is unfortunate that this bungi line seems to go this way. A few things I've noticed: - whenever there is n number of people together in one place there will be n number of OPINIONs (IMHO, IMO, etc). That's life and this bungi line will not change this fact. Differences of opinion is what makes the world go round and how people grow and learn. Its how those differences of opinions are 'handled' seems to be how things get out of hand. Unfortunately, it seems that some cannot or may not want a difference of opinion (from theirs) and personal attacks seems to grow as a means/way of combating the differences of opinion. This is truly one of the sad things about what's going on. - when things are said off line, IMHO, is where it should stay. There should not be a need to bring it online. We should all be cognizant of this and do our best 'not to get involved'...and not let it be brought online. it seems to fuel the flames - unnecessarily. - A few things I would like to propose - - Take a moment before hurling a personal attack on bungi. Everyone here is supposed to be human and, quite naturally, have feelings. Take 1 moment, 2 moments, 3 moments or however long it takes, before hitting that reply key. - If you read something that you may take offense to, stop and re-read it several times before reacting. E-mail is not the best medium for "saying it as you mean it to be taken". Maybe what you first thought you read was not what was actually said or meant. In life, so many things are taken out of context - must this bungi line continue this erroronous process? - When someone brings something online that started off-line or sent to individuals off-line, lets try our best not to get caught up and somehow manage to politely inform the individual to keep it off-line. Maybe we can make up our own acrynomn for this purpose, use the acrynomn and say NO MORE. These are just a few suggestions...maybe if we focus on or turn our attention and thoughts in a POSITIVE direction to how this bungi line can be made better and accept each others differences without slinging mud, we may be able to find a way to keep this list for the purpose, I believe, it was meant to be. If we need bungi 'mom and dad' to watch over us to tell us how this line should be or 'referee' - our world is really in trouble...we are the leaders of today - lets start behaving like it. I hope in a few days when I log back on that bungi line is still here with oodles and oddles of stained glass posts! Thanks... Ciao - Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 07:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:23:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Wvrosiegal From: Wvrosiegal To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:20:05 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.14205.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings to all, and Yes, Elisabeth, I am a "newbie". I also am amazed and inspired by all the information I have received over the bungi board on this subject. It is so that I'm on my way to the library right now to start my research - hoping I can come up with a "gig" that will put me - as you so eloquently put it - "in a class of my own". (I'm not sure i could handle a soldering iron heated over a fire - but I will keep an open mind!!!) I also intend to visit this historical town for a first hand look. I'm sure it will give me at least a few inspirations. Thanks to all your responses, I'm quite excited about this endeavor - i'll keep you posted as it evolves. WVRosieGal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 07:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: icsp.net!rballard From: Robin Ballard To: Herbert Luidolt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass in Chicago Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:54:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.05446.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Herbert: Besides the Chagall window in the Art Institute (which also has a display of paperweights), there is a Tiffany dome in Marshall Field's on State Street and a Tiffany window in the Marquette Building on Adams and LaSalle. Also, there is a great walking tour of Frank Lloyd Wright's historic district in Oak Park, which is just west of the city. Robin Herbert Luidolt wrote: > Hello to all, > a Customer from us want go in some moth to USA. He ask me: > What i could see in near from or in Chicago about Stained Glass. > Know anybody what i could tell him. Maybe Museum, > Churches or Exceptions..... > Thanks in advanced, > herbert > > Email: Tiffany-Glaskunst@t-online.de > Home: http://www.bastelzauber.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 07:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:17:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.51612.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Donald Davis >The butterfly is 1.25 square ft. It contains 46 pieces of cut glass many of the pieces of glass were (for me anyway) difficult and tight inside curves. They ended up cut out of a glass I should have known better than to try. (Wasted most of the piece).To make a long story I asked her $150............. is that too much?< Donald, Nope, your pricing is good for your level of expertise. Stick to your guns and don't back down. Someone will purchase it at your price. But I agree that you should be able to quote someone a price on a project prior to starting it. If you want me to share with you my pricing scheme, please email me privately. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 08:24:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:18:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Home and Garden Show Advice Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.5165.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Karen Schroeder >This will be our first show, does anyone have any advice on what to take= , = how to set up the booth (10x10), display techniques, pricing = suggestions,...< Karen, Is this an in-door or out-door show? This makes a difference in display techniques and booth set up. i.e. in-door =3D electricity and hard floors, tight space for set-up to deal with; lighting is under your control. out-doors =3D earth/grass, more room for set-up, but no electricity; having to deal with weather - the worst of which is wind; lighting is usually not under your control, although I have had good luck requesting the sunniest spot available. Being under trees is wonderful for avoiding sunburn, but is not good for showing off the stained glass. When given a choice I always go for the brightest, sunniest spot. As to pricing, make sure everything is priced before you pack it up for the show. Also, take little price tags and/or pricing stickers to do re-pricing on the fly if you need to adjust your prices up or down. Take a receipt book with automatic carbon copies. This is the best way to later find out what were your best sellers and in what price range. If you take special orders, have a demo of the item out with pricing info and a sign stating "We Do Custom Orders". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 08:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:18:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: photographing mirror Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:16:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.5160.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Garry & Linda McKenna >When I photograph my mirrors I try to hang them on a light coloured wall= , then stand to the side and slightly below.< The best ever mirror photograph I took had a lace table cloth reflected in the mirror. This way you could tell that it truly was a mirror reflecting something, rather than a plain piece of (fill-in-the-blank-color) glass. Remember to also put a light source on the item being reflected in the mirror (in my case the lace table cloth), or else you get dark grey nothing reflected in the mirror. That was my worse photograph of a mirror - it looks like a dark grey hole surrounded by some stained glass. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 08:44:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Demo Advice Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:16:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.51615.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by pkelly >There is an organization called "The Society for Anacranisms", I find out more about it and post it. The devle into the reniassance period.< It's actually called "The Society for Creative Anacronisms" and is frequently referred to as the SCA. I have some friends who are in the SCA and sell their hand-made knives and clothing at SCA events. If you are unable to get info about SCA from other sources, email me privately and I'll see if I can do some digging for you. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 09:32:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:47:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New Topic? Butterfly pricing experience Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:44:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.164431.0> Precedence: bulk <> That was kind of harsh because I think that when you are attacked in a public forum it is very natural to defend yourself in the same forum....I have seen it in other news groups, and it is just something that happens on line. I have not been resentful of it, even though it has taken up space......I have even managed to LEARN glass related things from it! Lets just see if we can remobilize here by starting some interesting new topics and accept that someone somewhere will always be taking offense. I wish I could think of an inspiring subject......how about the topic of how not to undervalue your own work? I was very saddened when I read about the person who made a butterfly for someone at their request, then was told that the person "couldnt possibly pay that much for it" ? When you are just starting out, and even when you have been around for a while, people come to you with special requests that can catch you unawares. I think it is helpful to tell them that you would be happy to make what they are asking for, but you will need some time to figure out your costs, and the time involved away from your other glass work to come up with a price. If you know on the spot a price range for the item, maybe you can give them an idea of what the cost will be. Some people ask for things in colors that they later decide "just dont look as good as the original one they liked". For this reason, it can be wise to ask for a deposit up front , explaining that if they dont like the finished results of their color choices, you still deserve to be paid for your time and materials. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 10:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:16:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New-york bound? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:14:53 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar26.111453.0> Precedence: bulk > Maybe you could include the IGGA website address in your messages, like > "check out the new glass courses at www....., and if people want to they > can check it out, but I don't think that you have to re-post everything > here that gets posted there. Also, it's not personal, everyone here enjoys > and benefits from your experience and expertise in this field. Thanks, Sarah, but I thought one of the big complaints from the (2-3?) real complainers was that I do exactly that (as below). Besides, I kinda get excited when I've just added 50 new works to the Light Show at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ ... I want to share that terrific work and really don't see anything wrong with a short message saying, "Hey! I just added fifty terrific pieces of glass work by artists from around the world and here's how you get there and this is what you click on to see them." Okay, you and a number of other people already know they're there, but many don't and that's why I mention it. The whole point of whatever I post is to share info or work ... at least it's about glass and not venetian blinds (a spam about which I just received). The "bad" signature: Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 10:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: continual carping Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:25:35 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk What is the matter with some people. This stained glass forum is my opening to the world of stained glass. That world contains that people that inhabit here, and all that they do. If someone goes to the ER with a bad case of hives, I love to see other show show there sympathy because that is what people do with each other. I love to be told about new pieces of glass that in a gallery. But most of the galleries with the good glass are miles away from where I am. So I look into the cyber gallery,and am as thrilled as if I were live. Walking down the street, looking into a store window. This is normal, but when someone says,hey look in that window, and its a cyber window,all of the sudden there are a couple of intolerant people who want to say "Don't do that." If I have a complaint about how someone is behaving, I take it directly to them. I don't stand up in a public place and denounce the purported offender. And why? Because I don;t need the attention. People who complain in public about how some ONE person is offending their sensibilities are children,looking for attention. And when I see these peoples name pop up on the list, i put a filter in and delete them. And when I see a topic that these children in grown up bodies have started, I put a filter on that name also. And those that pick up in the defense of the attacked are almost no better. To ignore these children is the only way. I don't feel that is serves any purpose except the purpose of the childish people to rush to the defense of the attacked (in public) reply in private the the attacker, and keep the public forum free and heartfelt and fun Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 10:32:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Mail..Butterfly Question and pricing Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:30:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.173034.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-26 20:31:47 EST, dfdavis@indiana.edu writes: << Well...... In a recent post when another Lady asked the same question. His rate was $60 per square foot . and 1.50 per cut piece of glass. Then he added a charge for difficulty or boredom etc. The butterfly is 1.25 square ft. It contains 46 pieces of cut glass many of the pieces of glass were (for me anyway) difficult and tight inside curves. They ended up cut out of a glass I should have known better than to try. (Wasted most of the piece).To make a long story I asked her $150............. is that too much? Don't worry about hurting my feelings. I really need to know what is what if I am going to sell some of this. I honestly think and have been told that my work is good. So I hate to sell my stuff short or too cheap. Thanks for replying!!!>> Whoops! I hadn't seen this when I posted my message about this topic, but Don $150 for a butterfly, even if it is that size is a little too pricy for most people! If I were to make something like that I think my price would be more in the $55-75 range, unless it was truly unusual , maybe using some expensive art glass or jewels and having other wire work details added to make it something more suited to an Art Show or Gallery audience. (without seeing it, it is very hard to estimate) The trouble here is that there are a lot of folks making outdoor pieces, like those in the "Simply Outdoors" pattern book and then selling them at craft malls and craft shows for $35-$45. Those butterflys are not as large as they one you describe, but they are pretty big, and fine details are lost on a lot of folks. But keeping designs simple helps to keep the price down . I understand that a piece done as a gift for your mother, is quite a different thing and will probably contain more time, work, and expensive glass than something you would do to sell. In that case, i would explain this to the person who asks you to make another for them......and then go figure out the time, material and work involved. I think the prices we hear quoted by the square foot are usually for custom windows or panels. And people do seem to find it a little easier to pay more money for these things......go figure! I hope this has been helpful and I am waiting to hear form all the others on this board what they have to say about this topic. I think its a really good subject. Who knows, maybe MY price ideas are too low! If they are I sure want to know it! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 11:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: SusieHUs , dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980327132611.00739584@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 01:19 AM 3/26/98 EST, SusieHUs wrote: >Hi Gary, > >I saw the ad for Uplight/Downlight in the back of Glass Patterns Quarterly >today and I can't wait to get my hands on this one! I asked my local retailer >but she doesn't have it yet (and at times, it takes quite a while before she >gets things in), so I'd like to know how I can get a copy right away? I've tried looking through my new copy of GPQ and can't seem to find it. Can someone tell me what page it is on? Thanks Garden of Glass Joyce Moran (and no Patrick I still haven't worked on a bio...be patient!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 11:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:52:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980327135022.00739584@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk >The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) are particularly good at > their historical plays and reproductions. There are plenty of videos >and sound recordings available to buy. BBC also has their own >WEB-site. I don't have their exact URL, but will find out, if you >like. BBC will also have sound recordings of English Regional >dialects and speech. Shrewsbury is a cathedral/ Abbey town, on the >River Severn in the county of Shropshire (sort of North of England). >Shrewsbury is also an old Market Town in where Charles Darwin was >born, so you should get plenty of further references, especially from >the BBC. Someone sent me this url a long time ago and packrat that I am, I still have it on file. It is a nice place to experience the Renaissance. Hope it helps you out. http://www.renfaire.com/Language/language.html Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio (and no Patrick I haven't gotten to the bio in between the last posting and this one!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 12:03:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:16:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: jerri m Roey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Copy of: Glass painting Infomercial Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.91338.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri and Elisabeth! We're still doing the glass painting, just not for OTHER glass artists. We have too many commissions of our own to deal with and we had an unfortunate situation back in November with another local shop. Michael did an extensive glass painting job (Good Shepherd with a flock of sheep) which included = developing all the artwork for the figures. In a subsequent newspaper article, the other glass artist took full credit for the window - didn't mention that the painting was ours. It didn't feel very good to see Michael's beautiful talent being credited to somebody else. So we decided then and there to only paint for ourselves! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 12:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.8201.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? It's on a lamp shade and I am having a awful time removing it. Thanks Goldpaws ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 12:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:53:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Wayne Munro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Kiln Supplier Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.95122.0> Precedence: bulk I, too, would like some more information about custom-designed and built kilns. Any books or plans out there? I know potters who have built their own kilns and glass kilns aren't really any different. Thanks in = advance. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 13:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: gmanning@banet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:31:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.203145.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 15:13:42 EST, gmanning@banet.net writes: << Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? >> Well, first I use my fingernails, followed by the flat end of my fid, followed with a plastic putty knife, lightly with a razor blade, and using a terry cloth rag I use alot of elbow grease. From then on I knew to use alot less tacky wax. Sorry for both of our experiences with it. Hey Howard!! HELP! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 13:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Wvrosiegal From: Wvrosiegal To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Demo Advice Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:51:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.20517.0> Precedence: bulk I never, in my wildest dreams, forsaw such a response to my former plight! The information coming over the wire is mind-boggling. It certainly peaks my interest to find out all I can for the upcoming show. Shirley in her Renaissance and I in my "pilgrimage" eras. Ah! - It doesn't get better than this. There is homework to be done. Wish me Well! WVrosiegal (and I participating as an Irishman - we have never had problems "fairing the faires") ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 14:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:06:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar27.21647.0> Precedence: bulk I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the small cuts on my hands every so often? deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 14:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:33:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:31:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803272131.NAA29274@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Mar 27 13:09:25 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu >From: Whispy Blu >To: gmanning@banet.net, glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Tacky Wax >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:31:45 EST >Precedence: bulk > >Yo... Guess that's why mine is still in the cupboard, tried using it for a resist material for sandblasting once and that didn't work. Thought it was the cat's ass for vertial work on a glass drawing board or was that plasticine:) Cindy > ><< Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? >> > >Well, first I use my fingernails, followed by the flat end of my fid, followed >with a plastic putty knife, lightly with a razor blade, and using a terry >cloth rag I use alot of elbow grease. From then on I knew to use alot less >tacky wax. Sorry for both of our experiences with it. > >Hey Howard!! HELP! > >Lu Ann >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 14:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:22:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "goldpaws" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.112045.0> Precedence: bulk Without a doubt, the best way is by using a product called 'Goof Off', a solvent cleaner that I picked up at Home Depot. We use it for that exact purpose- to clean off excess Tacky Wax from Odyssey molds when they are returned from rentals. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Date: March 27, 1998 3:33 PM Subject: Tacky Wax >Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? >It's on a lamp shade and I am having a awful time removing it. >Thanks >Goldpaws > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 14:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:17:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kiln Supplier Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:15:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803272115.NAA24498@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Mar 27 12:39:19 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios >From: "Michael J. Greer" >To: Wayne Munro >Subject: Kiln Supplier >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:22 -0500 >Precedence: bulk >Hi there, There's a big difference between a glass kiln and a potters... heating elements in the lid... to allow for a more even heating (thermal shock is a drag) Glass Fusion Studio will sell plans and materials for build your own. Cindy >I, too, would like some more >information about custom-designed >and built kilns. Any books or plans >out there? I know potters who have >built their own kilns and glass kilns >aren't really any different. Thanks in = > >advance. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 15:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.11580.0> References: <<1998Mar27.203145.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk SAFETY ALERT - The best way that I have found (so far) is warmed Kerosene. DO NOT heat this on an open flame. The stuff is volatile enuff without being heated. I use a double boiler on an electric hot plate set on LOW OUTSIDE the building. Bring the Kerosene inside ONLY if you can highly ventilate the workspace. A terry towel or natural scrub brush helps, as the rough surface will help lift up the wax. If you are really brave, have a sizable fire extingusher, again OUTSIDE set the lamp over the hotplate on LOW. The warmth will cause the wax to run down the shade, and collect on your worktable (unless you cover the work surface with old newspaper). This may take a while to build enough heat to melt the wax. If you turn it on HIGH, you may soften the solder at the top of the shade. If you plan to attempt either of these methods, realize that you are raising the temperature of hydrocarbons to a point closer to their flash point, increasing the risk of FIRE. B-4 I get flamed, yes I know this is hazardous, but it works for ME, and I take the utmost care to prevent a fire. Whispy Blu wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-27 15:13:42 EST, gmanning@banet.net writes: > > << Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? >> > > Well, first I use my fingernails, followed by the flat end of my fid, followed > with a plastic putty knife, lightly with a razor blade, and using a terry > cloth rag I use alot of elbow grease. From then on I knew to use alot less > tacky wax. Sorry for both of our experiences with it. > > Hey Howard!! HELP! > > Lu Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 16:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:44:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980327224028.00673f30@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Why don't you try something called Bag Balm? It's something all quilters. seem to use, and - in case you really wanted to know - it is used for cow's udders and my daughter tells me it is the answer to all your problems, and is available at all good quilters supply stores. Linda At 04:06 PM 27/3/98 EST, you wrote: >I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our >hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about >flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working >with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a >faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think >someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a >small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do >have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it >works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel >terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch >what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream >others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the >small cuts on my hands every so often? >deb >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 16:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:12:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bevel query Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:11:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.14116.0> Precedence: bulk Quite some time ago, I requested feedback from the bungi bevelers on a custom job we were doing. We were in a panic situation because we'd lost our Denver beveling co. = Thanks for all the responses and to Michael Mincelli at LSG Creations in New Jersey who took on the job. We were very pleased with the work and even got a Wow! from another glass shop owner on the quality of the bevels. If you want more info, e-mail me off-line.Thanks again! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 17:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: DMR74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.122258.0> References: <<1998Mar27.21647.0>> Precedence: bulk DMR74 wrote: > > I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our > hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about > flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working > with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a > faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think > someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a > small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do > have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it > works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel > terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch > what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream > others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the > small cuts on my hands every so often? > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you've got to use the rubber gloves (like doctor's gloves). the chemicals are bad for your skin. the patina will burn it, the flux will irritate it (especially if your allergic). put the gloves on at the begining of soldering, while washing, and patina. keep it on for as long as you can. though it might get in your way when you dry, the gloves have too much friction and if you bump into the glass, your hand will "trip". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 17:26:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:39:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.134441.0> Precedence: bulk You can also use Naptha, lighter fluid.... I suspect they're all basically the same solvent. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 17:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:23:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "glass@bungi.com" , "'DMR74'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:25:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.122544.0> Precedence: bulk Here are a couple of things I have used. There is the obvious: disposable latex gloves, (but for some reason I need the feel of the object directly on my skin.) 1. Depending on how large a cut you have, there is a liquid product called "second skin". It goes on with a glass type dauber that is attached to the cap. Dries clear. 2. Get yourself a supply of utter cream. Leave it on the counter and use it often. Available at any drug /discount store (in health and beauty supply dept.) It comes in a cream and a balm. I think the balm would be more effective as it is heavier but I think the smell is worse than the problem I am trying to cure. 3. Available (for sure) at Walgreen's Drug. "Zins Crack Cream" Comes in very small plastic bottle. You only need a little as it is a liquid. Truly a miracle product. Hope you get some relief ! Sue Reitmann ---------- From: DMR74 [SMTP:DMR74@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 3:07 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass hands I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the small cuts on my hands every so often? deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 17:56:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:30:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: BUNGI POSTINGS Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.142431.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I vote for continued posting. I have been too busy lately to do much more than lurk, and haven't' followed the last 2-3 weeks discussions, or even answered my personal e-mail. I have 2192 that's right 2,192 unread messages. I will get around to reading (or at least skimming) all of them. It is easy to hit the delete key if the subject has no interest to you. I am in glass full time at my home studio, and have been helped immeasurably by the tips and advice that comes from bungi mail list, also subscribe to the ArtMetal list which generates 50 or more posts every day. They are invaluable too. Tonight when I logged on there was 151 messages, I look forward to reading them all, then saving the relevant ones. So please Albert, keep up the good work, post the IGGA memos, and remind everyone that you don't have to be a member of IGGA (I am) to benefit from their work. The list and site are generously provided free by the Rand's, bless them. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be > posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. > > > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 18:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:34:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Attn: Minnesota artists Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:44:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.134420.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- Just had someone in the shop = looking for ideas for a friend in Burnsville, MN who's wanting to buy 2-3 stained glass windows. I asked why the friend wasn't = checking in Minnesota and was told there isn't anyone around where he lives. A quick check in the Guild guide shows there are three MN studio members including one in Burnsville! Anyone else out there want to be referred? I'll be glad to pass on some names. Just e-mail me with names, addresses, and = phone numbers over the weekend. Thanks. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 18:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:34:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'Glasss Group'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Aquarium for light table Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:36:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.123644.0> Precedence: bulk Necessity is definitely the Mother of invention! With a lot of advice from fellow bungians ( again, many thanks) today I began to design my wood duck lamp. Being a rainy, cloudy day, my sometimes used, old method of taping things on the window and letting the sun shine through wouldn't work. I was desperate! I began looking around my work area for what my Dad would have called a "Rube Goldberg" make shift light table. I spied my grinder / aquarium set up........ removed the grinder, placed my clamp on lamp inside the aquarium and sure enough a light table!! Worked for me so I thought I'd pass it on. Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 18:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.14479.0> References: <<1998Mar27.21647.0>> Precedence: bulk DMR74 wrote: > ... but after washing my hands well and drying they feel > terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch > what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream > others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the > small cuts on my hands every so often? > deb > ---- Deb, instead of just hand cream, try just lanolin?I usually give everything a quick squirt with rubbing alcohol and wipe off before getting down to serious cleaning. That would probably reduce your exposure to the flux and patina while cleaning, although alcohol can be a bit drying, too. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 19:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Barbara Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.161838.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980327210613.006a6390@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Two comments: > 1. > I have used a tooth brush to clean my pieces and found that it is way to > stiff and harsh....... I have been using a softer bristled brush more > recently.... are others using a tooth brush, perhaps I am putting to much > pressure on it. > > At 05:22 PM 3/27/98 -0500, you wrote: > >DMR74 wrote: > >> small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. > I do > >> have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the > > 2. I buy gloves designed for the food service industry in a restaurant > supply house.... they are inexpensive and come in a variety of sizes. They > are not as tight as medical gloves, they don't "grab" as badly. They work > very well. > > >you've got to use the rubber gloves (like doctor's gloves). the > >chemicals are bad for your skin. the patina will burn it, the flux will > >irritate it (especially if your allergic). put the gloves on at the > >begining of soldering, while washing, and patina. > > > >---Mike Savad basically anything that is comfortable to wear, and does'nt allow liquids to come in is fine. also, as long as you can move your tools around, so there's no slipping. a tooth brush is ok, i use a nail brush to clean my things. though i use a stencil brush to apply patina (it's stiff yet does'nt splash). i used to use a rag, but that disintigrates. then a tooth brush but that splatters chemicals everywhere. a flux brush works, but tends to corrode pretty fast, and it generally put's too much patina or flux on. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 19:50:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New-york bound? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.17168.0> References: <<1998Mar26.111453.0>> Precedence: bulk Okay, I do not mean to add fuel to the FLAMES, but I missed a lot over the past few weeks and went back to read old posts in the archives. This is only the first day back, but can I just ask one question that no one seems to be asking: Albert, when was the last time you created a stained glass work yourself? Fine with me if you want to post whatever you want to post about your site, but please don't deny what you are unless you are ashamed of it - you do hot glass, not stained glass. Fine, that's is okay and hot glass impresses the heck out of me. But I think the flames I went back and read miss the point entirely. You reply to a majority of the questions and I don't know that you have the qualifications. I just don't believe in that saying about those who can't do, teach. Why not lead us in a discussion on hot glass? I will gladly keep quiet and learn from you. Well, I've donned asbestos clothing, so for those of you who feel I have wronged Albert by bringing this up, why not just flame me directly and let the board get back to the subject of stained glass. Zane sigglass@nb.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 20:25:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:27:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: leestat7@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: BUNGI POSTINGS Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:26:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.32639.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 20:57:36 EST, leestat7@home.com writes: << remind everyone that you don't have to be a member of IGGA >> If I read Albert's post correctly, this is no longer true. Please correct me if I 'm wrong. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 20:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:50:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:46:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.11461.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19980327224028.00673f30@mail.kwic.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Bag Balm is also sold with the dog and cat meds section at Wal-Mart. We swore by it in the nursing home until they made us quit using it. (Cause it wasn't made for humans, it worked better than anything else we ever used and believe me we tried everything). Garry & Linda McKenna wrote: > > Why don't you try something called Bag Balm? It's something all quilters. > seem to use, and - in case you really wanted to know - it is used for > cow's udders and my daughter tells me it is the answer to all your problems, > and is available at all good quilters supply stores. > Linda > > At 04:06 PM 27/3/98 EST, you wrote: > >I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our > >hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about > >flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working > >with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a > >faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think > >someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a > >small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do > >have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it > >works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel > >terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch > >what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream > >others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the > >small cuts on my hands every so often? > >deb > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA > TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA > 519 842-9909 > > LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS > GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 21:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:11:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: DMR74@aol.com Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.17585.0> References: <<1998Mar27.21647.0>> Precedence: bulk My wife's cousin (who was the head pharmacist at St. Claire's hospital in NYC at the time) recommended A+D Ointment to my son to toughen his calouses for playing guitar. I decided to try it on my hands because my fingertips would crack painfully from my work, especially in winter. It has worked like a miracle. I buy it in the biggest tub they sell and put it on before every time I solder. (I also apply a light coat before bed.) Since I started using it my hands haven't cracked at all. I'm sure it will help with your problem. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 21:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:04:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: joyce@mail.bright.net, SusieHUs@aol.com, dodgestudio@juno.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:58:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.45833.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 14:30:33 EST, joyce@mail.bright.net writes: << I've tried looking through my new copy of GPQ and can't seem to find it. Can someone tell me what page it is on? Thanks Garden of Glass Joyce Moran >> Page 73 under News and New Products.....first column, 3rd post. Also great pictures on their web site: http://www.dodgestudios.com Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 27 22:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:34:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I've been asked a favor Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:32:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar27.163220.0> References: <> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dear Albert et al, I for one as not only a stained glassaholic, but a well-documented stained glass professional AND a new member of the IGGA take high offense to anyone putting down any references to this particular NON-profit organization since it's goal for EXISTING is "To facilitate communication among glass artists, to encourage education and promote excellence in the glass arts." I find their standards and aims to above reproach both morally and personally. I can also say the same of all of my experiences with Albert Lewis as well. BTW, if Albert had not mentioned the IGGA so many times, and I had not heard so many complimentary things about them from other members, AND I had not had the opportunity to benefit several times from freely-given help and information which was granted by this organization, I would never have bothered to apply for membership. I am EXTREMELY discriminating about joining ANY organization and will not do so unless I am fully convinced that I can whole-heartedly agree with its motives, practices, morals, and feel that the relationship can be MUTUALLY beneficial to us both. The last time I joined an organization that I believed in as much as I do the IGGA, it was 'Boy Scout of America' (I'm still a member of a local Troop Committee,) and I have been a respected, trusted, award-winning, highly-trained leader with them as far up as the Council level for the last nine-plus years. Got the picture? I believe that Albert should be allowed to continue to mention the IGGA in relation to helping other bungians any blessed time he feels compelled to do so. It has helped and benefited me more times than I can thank him for already. Respectfully yours, V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- Albert Lewis wrote: > > I've had a request that I not keep mentioning the Guild or its > programs here on bungi.com ... the complaint's actually that this > person's getting "sick and tired" of seeing my constant references to > Guild sites and locations. That's described as taking commercial > advantage of the organization's non-profit status and as using > precious bandwidth for what I guess is seen as unhelpful, useless, > and not-glassy-enough information. > > I explained that I only do that when specifically asked within the > group, but that cuts no ice, apparently. > > Any thoughts on whether I, as ExecDir (read "chief clerk") of the > Guild, should just dummy up? > > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 06:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:23:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: DMR74@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:18:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.131845.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 17:02:04 EST, DMR74@aol.com writes: << Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a faint metal smell. >> Deb, There was quite a discussion on the plusses of using gloves at certain stages of glass work. Certainly the flux stage is one time to consider using gloves, and definately at the patina stage. However, I also use Fast Orange hand cleaner that I buy at Sam's and that also cuts through crud and solvents. You may want to try that product. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 07:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!sglass1 From: "jean pay" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: pattern wrong? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:29:09 PST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.13299.0> Precedence: bulk Hi bungians, I'm one of them lurkers. Started about a year ago. made a few designs of my own. Currently I'm making jewelry box (guardian of treasures) from dreamworld Mystical images in glass. well anyway I made up the pieces, cut ,ground,foiled top of box which is the, wings and head. when i was checking fit. found it wouldn't . soooo i'm looking at all pieces and low and behold (the bottom is larger than the top (not much)odd though cause it's off on one side more than other were talking less than 1/2 inch ____________ / \ _______hinge side / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ \ / \ / \\ // \\ // \\ // _______________ inside line is where the top of wings reach kinda like this ! well any body else make this ? straight up Is It Me? i have figured how to fix I'll make bottom smaller . but am wondering if it's me or pattern ? and how the rest of patterns will be? Any help or comments will be appreciated . thanks in advance for help!!!! Jeanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 08:22:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:42:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: charles@warner-criv.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight--See Displays of Similar Lamps Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:38:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.153830.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-28 10:28:43 EST, charles@warner-criv.com writes: << A few years ago we purchased several Chinese style lanterns which are designed the same as the Uplight/Downlight except the legs are also made out of stained glass.. >> Do you have pics available and patterns for these lamps? Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 08:41:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:47:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bio#6 Daniel German Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:48:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.34828.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel M German was born in Mexico City, in the autumn of 1966, two years before the Olympic Games and 4 before the first World Cup; two events that seemed like the gateway to bright years to come, and so were they bright years for me. As with any other child in my country, I thought that what matters is to get an education and that was the way to be whoever I wanted. My early days were consumed mixing school with reading and playing. Nothing different from any other child, I believe. Once in a while, an artisans' flea market will established for a week or so very close home. Those years were not polluted with scares of pedophiles or kidnapers and at very young age I was allowed to have short escapes from home that sometimes lasted hours. My favourite place was the glass shop. I was simply amazing to see how a tiny bar of glass, with the help of a torch, could be converted by the artisan's hands into little animals or the most intricate sail boat --memories that make tears linger in my eyes. I could stand and look for hours. Sometimes those days will end with a pull on my ear --my mother had been looking for me for hours, finally found me and drag me home from my ears. I've always liked to assemble (and disassemble) things. I remember quite well that I loved to visit a girl my age --my first girlfriend I claimed-- when I was 5. She had a Lego --imported, hence expensive-- and once I started playing with it I could go for hours. I had my own similar toys, but never as complex or beautiful. My father was very straight with us. We always knew that Santa Claus and the Three Wise Men --the latter are the ones that bring the most toys to my compatriots-- were an invention. (If you ask me now, I'd say it is much better that way.) Every December we'll start shopping for our toys long before the crowds invaded the shops. That was the way in which, at age 10 or 11 I found this marvel: a meccano (for those who haven't seen one, it is an assembly toy with metal plates and bars that you put together with screws and bolts; the best part is that you could build functional cars or cranes!). Every year, I'd ask for one more. Those were not days in which you bought a "design" --sort of what lego does today-- but you bought building blocks. The more parts, the merrier . Then I decided I was going to become an engineer (what else could I?, after I felt in love with screwing around --???-- all those bolts). As I grew up, my meccano days were substituted by plastic models --airplanes and ships were my favourite. My schools days have given me an eclectic mind: I have a diploma in technical drawing; I have a technical degree as a machinist (those who make pieces in metal with big machines); I have 1/3 as an Energy Engineer. I have a undergraduate degree in Information Sciences. My will to become a tenured student took my to the beautiful grasslands of Williamsburg, Virginia, where I became a masters student in Computer Science. My love --then and before the strike-- for baseball and the Bluejays took me to Waterloo, where I have been for the last 4.5 years. I like art. And I like churches. I am very sacrilegious but I strongly believe that churches/temples/synagogue/mesquite are some of the most important treasures of our civilization. It does not matter is they are old like Notra Dame, tainted with blood like Sacre Cour in Paris (spelling?), new like Washington National Cathedral, or "work in progress" like Gaudi's "Sagrada Familia". They are unique, beatiful and an expression of who we --human beings-- are. And their stained glass windows are integral part of them. Can you envision a Notra Dame without the West Rose window? What about the Wash. Cathedral without the Moon Window? As I had said in the past. I always believed it was an expensive and difficult craft. My dreams had always been to have a Tiffany-style lamp over my dining table and an some accents in my home. My love for Chagall's work accentuated my need to know how it is made. I finally took the time. So here I am. It has become a learning experience. Cutting pieces and putting them together is a new way to assemble "meccano" and brings me memories of my childhood. Yes, it is waking up the child I have inside. On the other hand, I am trying to make my own patterns and in the process I am learning what works and what does not work, and that, after all, I might have an artistic side. I am an amateur, and I'll probably stay that way for a long time --if not forever. My computer skills pay better by the hour. On the other hand, I envy Albert: I'd like to make a living writing about what I like and that is my personal pursue. What else do I do? Well, I feel like I am a prisoner and I am asking for parole. My thesis is my formal request and my PhD committee the parole board. I want to be a free man again. On my spare time I like to keep my brain busy. When I get bored of writing my thesis I turn around and see what I can do. Yesterday, after my stained glass class, I went home and finished my "computer operated remote control" for my camera. Why? For the pure satisfaction of solving a problem. Yeah, I am geek. You'll always see me carring a computer, a camera and a book --or the Economist. I am in front of the computer at least 12 hours a day: in bed --a day has to start reading my email--, in my table, in my coach, in my office, in the darkroom, in the restaurant, in the coffee shop, in the park. Have you ever taken a laptop to the washroom --(restroom, lou (spelling?), toilet :)? Besides keeping costs, schedules and patterns, I wonder what else I can do for SG with my computer :) I like reading, but the psychological pressure of a thesis hinders the actual reading I do. Feasting and cooking are another one of my pleasures. I like to enjoy life and eating is a crucial part of such enjoyment. A meal has to take time and tender to be prepared (those who saw the Danish movie "Babbete's Feast" know what I mean). I particularly specialize in spices, which are the heart and soul of food, IMHO. Remedios Varo, M. Escher, M. Chagall, Kandinsky, H. Cartier-Bresson top my list of favourite artists. I do like many others. But I particularly dislike Van Gogh --with the exception of Cafe Terrace. This leads to the fact that I like either strong primary colours --this is my mexican part-- or black and white. My home is covered with black and white photos. My office with Varo and Chagall. All this has an influence in my SG. My SG work is still in its very, very early stage. What I can say is that I favour iridescent and special glasses such as Yughiogheny. Iridescency has an extra dimension that adds to plain glass. Plain glasses seem to "plain" when compared to Yougo. In my designs, I like curves --splines. I lean towards unreal views of real things. I also like to "create" using the inner patterns of the glass. I particularly dislike glass being used to display "real life" objects and landscapes with their real colours; which seems to be a very common use of SG. For that we have photography, is my view. SG has to be manipulated to create different scenarios, different views of the world, or even, different worlds altogether. Views that entice the viewer to find "something" in a design. SG can be art and not just artisanship, (please, I am just a beginner and I am not against anybody's style or work, these are just my opinions; I am not claiming I am an SG artist; I certainly starting to feel like an artisan, and I love it). Yesterday I gave my first gift in stained glass. I noticed that I did not like to separate from my work. It seems an integral part of me. And that is why I chose a 5 pieces project and I did not even grind the pieces. I knew that if I liked it too much it was going to be more difficult. What about the future? I don't quite know. My love for writing, for photography, for SG and for life, but most conspicuously, my disdain and passion for computers --to which, hopefully, I'll add a tag meaningless to me but precious to other: PhD-- can take me anywhere. This life is indeed worth living. And for those who are still curious, you can visit my home page: http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/index.html ***************************************************************** BTW with all of the "Waterloos" in the world, Dan is in Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 08:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:53:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bio# 7 Tim Brynes Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:49:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.34956.0> Precedence: bulk Here goes: I was born in Trumbull, CT on Aug.11th. 1938. Went to the local grade school, graduated from Bassick High School in Bridgeport in June 1958 and served 4 yrs. in the Army and 2yrs. in the Reserve. I got married the first time at 21, and that lasted for 8 yrs. Worked at many different jobs, because I had no trade or good working skills. Got married for the second time at 35 to a person who had 4 children and that ended in 1980. In 1975 I had a chance to go through an on the job training program to become a mechanical assembler, from there I became a Manufacturing Coordinator in a Printed Circuit Dept. for the same company. I was released from that job do to down sizing, but it was in this job that I met my future stained glass instructor. In Nov of 1982 I met a wonderful man whom I fell in Love with, we went through a Holy Union, at the Metropolitan Community Church in July of 1983. We had alot of good times together, until he choose to return to alcoholic drinking,and contracted AIDS, I watched a beautiful man die, a very slow painful death. In June of 1992, he went home to live with GOD. In Feb.1989 I started to work at a local Home for the AGED, where I still work today as a Maintenance Assistant and love doing things for elderly people. My friend Ginny whom I had worked with Philips Medical Systems, started to teach me the Art of Stained Glass in her home studio. I studied with her til March 1995 and opened my own home studio in Sept. 1995. I am not out to make alot of money, just enough to pay for supplies, doing glass is relaxing time for me. I have just recently become a Deacon at MCC, and I can't wait til we have our own building, so I can make a Window panel for our church. I am very happy to have a church that I can go to and feel wanted and loved. I still think of Jerry when I hear certain songs or come across his picture in one of my meditation books. I have a very full life, and a great four leggged room mate by the name of PRINCESS. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 09:00:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:29:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "glasschic" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight--See Displays of Similar Lamps Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.5271.0> Precedence: bulk Susie and Others; Marianne and I decorate our store with interesting and inspiring stained glass items that we think our customers would like to see. A few years ago we purchased several Chinese style lanterns which are designed the same as the Uplight/Downlight except the legs are also made out of stained glass.. These lanterns have always been a hit for our customers and they can be seen in our main Glass Showroom. This week we added a number of mosaic items as displays in the showroom; trays, vases etc. This might sound trite however; those of you who have been in my store must realize Marianne likes decorating. There are so many beautiful items we see in stores that it is hard to resistant purchasing them. Putting these items on display helps give inspiration to our customers and provides a pleasant working atmosphere. BTW We even have a very small Robert Oddy panel which we will display as soon as we design a suitable display. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ >>I saw the ad for Uplight/Downlight in the back of Glass Patterns Quarterly >>today and I can't wait to get my hands on this one! I asked my local >>retailer but she doesn't have it yet (and at times, it takes quite a while >>before she gets things in), so I'd like to know how I can get a copy right >>away? > >I've tried looking through my new copy of GPQ and can't seem to find it. >Can someone tell me what page it is on? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 09:51:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: citynet.net!zorprime From: Zor Prime To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.41450.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, My husband gave me a wonderful gift last evening. He bought 40 agate slices 1/8" thick or less for me. They are beautiful and I want to do something with them along with glass. But I don't know how to cut them. Light shines through them and shows off the lovely colors and I'm afraid I'll ruin them. Any suggestions? I'm dying to get started. I'm assuming that I can at least grind the edges with my grinder without doing any damage. Thanks in advance, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 11:52:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:15:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.24916.0> References: <<1998Mar28.41450.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Why do you want to cut them? It has been my experience that they are heavier than glass and I use 1/4" copper foil with them. I use them in abstract glass, seashell, and agate slices. I get a metal ring you find at craft stores for dreamcatcher and machrame. The rings start at 6" dia and go up to 24". Heck they even have squares and hearts. Don't cut the agate, cut the glass to fit the agate. But if you must cut the agate, you will need a rock saw and they are very expensive. Or maybe you know a rock hound that will do it for you or let you use his/her saw. I have read of people on this list that used the agate for lamp shades. They are also great if you want to use them as a sandy beach or rocky knoll in a stained glass design. If you have little ones, they could be hair decorations for fairies or angels, etc. They also make out of this world vases or wastepaper baskets. One thing if you take me up on the abstract idea. Be careful with the flux on soft shells(like starfish and porous calm shells). The shell absorbs the flux and will leave an ugly brown ring. Oh yes, they look great as the center peice on the top of a box and they make wonderful business card holders. And don't forget nightlights. Good Luck and Have fun. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 12:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Zor Prime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.94520.0> References: <<1998Mar28.41450.0>> Precedence: bulk Zor Prime wrote: > > Hi All, > > My husband gave me a wonderful gift last evening. He bought 40 agate > slices 1/8" thick or less for me. They are beautiful and I want to do > something with them along with glass. But I don't know how to cut them. > Light shines through them and shows off the lovely colors and I'm afraid > I'll ruin them. > > Any suggestions? I'm dying to get started. I'm assuming that I can at > least grind the edges with my grinder without doing any damage. > > Thanks in advance, > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i personally like them whole. if they had to be cut, you would either need a lapidary saw, or a bandsaw/ringsaw. though a bandsw does'nt cut very straight. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 13:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:03:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:02:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803282002.MAA17171@freya.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >X-From_: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sat Mar 28 09:54:18 1998 >Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >X-Path: citynet.net!zorprime >From: Zor Prime >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Using agates >Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:14:50 -0800 >Precedence: bulk > Hi Kathy, Being a rock lover those agates sound absolutely great. I'd love to be so lucky! I wouldn't touch my glass grinder to them, I've worked a fair amount with rock. Using slabs for bases, and for soap stone I've used my husband's disc grinder set up in the vise. And I would recommend trying that first. A friend of mine is a rock carver and the setup for rock grinding is far more heavy duty than a glass grinder, first of all you could remove alot of the little diamond chips on your bit, while you're removing the edge of the rock. If you need to cut them like in half or whatever a masonary blade might to the trick. Do you know any rock carvers?? An overlay would look very interersting or building a three dimension piece and using the agate for a base, if the slices are large enough. Rock and glass look very good together. All the best, Cindy PS to Tim and Daniel, enjoyed your bio's alot :) You guys are really good with words, chuckle. Can I send my husband over for lessons, seems when it comes to pen and paper (fingers and keyboards) he forget what to say. >Hi All, > >My husband gave me a wonderful gift last evening. He bought 40 agate >slices 1/8" thick or less for me. They are beautiful and I want to do >something with them along with glass. But I don't know how to cut them. >Light shines through them and shows off the lovely colors and I'm afraid >I'll ruin them. > >Any suggestions? I'm dying to get started. I'm assuming that I can at >least grind the edges with my grinder without doing any damage. > >Thanks in advance, > >Kathy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 16:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:58:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bio#6 Daniel German/Response Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:58:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199803282043.MAA07060@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk After reading your bio, Dan, I ventured over to your web site... where I have now spent several hours! After reading what you have written, I cannot believe you would doubt having an artistic side. Your love of, and expression of that love for Beethoven.. those are not the words of a non-artistic person. Your choice of art, and the way in which you express it, again leaves no doubt about your artistic side. Your photography.... Shall I go on? I think it unnecessary. I suspect that, given the time it takes, you will develop into a first class stained glass artisan. Your attention to detail (as required by computer science) blended with your inner (perhaps under-developed) artistic talents should serve you well. I envy your skills. And I pray that you will find time in this busy world (while filling your 'knapsack') to continue growing with stained glass. I look forward to seeing some of your glass projects posted to your web site at some future date. Jean jean@lasercom.net ICQ #7131940 NetMeeting: Bonnie Nrmn ils1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 17:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:10:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.231023.0> Precedence: bulk I know Delphi Stained glass carries stuff for that. I believe it is linseed oil. Their phone number is 1-800-248-2048 . Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 17:48:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:44:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: The big pick-up Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:20:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar28.232041.0> Precedence: bulk Well folks, The giraffe window was finally delivered to its rightful owner. I had a tear in my eye as I watched it leave.. ( I had developed a soft spot in my heart for that little critter).The new owner said it was "nice". (ungrateful heathern) How could he ever imagine all the HARD WORK that went into it? Not to mention that I didn't charge him enough. This was my first comissioned piece and I screwed up big time on the price. He got the giraffe (2ft x 3ft, 156 pieces) AND another smaller window, southwestern design 17 x 31, 45 pieces..for $500.00. I'll just chalk this one up to a learning experience. I'll tell you this, I'm glad I don't do this full time!! Don't think I could take the stress! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 17:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carl Childers Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tacky Wax and Kerosene Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:58:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Mar28.65814.0> References: <<1998Mar27.11580.0>> Precedence: bulk The kerosene acts as a solvent. There shouldn't be a need to heat or warm it. If tacky wax is kept to a minimum and mostly scrapped off, the kerosene and a soft cloth should be all you need to clean up the shade. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 18:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:27:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:39:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.133936.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Zor Prime (Kathy): >My husband gave me a wonderful gift last evening. He bought 40 agate slices 1/8" thick or less for me. They are beautiful and I want to do something with them along with glass. But I don't know how to cut them. =2E..(snip).... Any suggestions? I'm dying to get started. I'm assuming that I can at least grind the edges with my grinder without doing any damage.> Oooooooo!!!! How I envy you!!!! I'm working on a commission of a mermaid and dolphins, and plan on using agates to represent part of the sea floor and underwater cave walls. Want to sell some to me?????? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 18:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:38:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Mike Simpson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: lead came, craft myth? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:14:56 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.01456.0> References: <<199803261217.MAA00464@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk In message <199803261217.MAA00464@jackel.demon.co.uk>, Mike Simpson writes >Over the years I have often heard a story about lead came that I >would like some concrete details on, mostly as to whether it is=20 >true or only an interesting myth.=20 > >The story, as heard on the radio, seen in one book and heard several >times from S.G. artists goes as follows:- > >=20 .......... Can't help on the story Mike. > >p.s. I have ne reason to believe that modern lead came which=20 >sometimes contains some alloying ingredients will suffer the same >fate. Knowledge of corrosion has come a long was in this century.=18 > On this one, a respected conservationist (Susan Bradbury), has indicated that the Lead in the Victorian era was much better refined to become almost pure lead, instead of having a tin content from the re-melted lead and solder to make new calme. She indicated that modern calme has small amounts (ca 0.5%) of antimony as an alloy to strengthen it. The amounts vary according to manufacturer, and makes some (e.g. Stillmans(sp?)) much stiffer and hard to work than others. This alloying of the lead is intended to make the calme last much longer. Just relaying information from a lecture she gave a couple of weeks ago. steve --=20 Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 18:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:56:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: Zor Prime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Using agates Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:47:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.134722.0> References: <<1998Mar28.41450.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been lurking for a while and enjoying every single post. I just bought a SG book --Stained Glass Basics by Chris Rich. Ther a project called "Free Form Geode Panel". Looks like just the pattern you are looking for. It uses agate slices, nuggets and glass. If you will send me a fax number I will be glad to send you a copy of the articale. Nelda fibers@wcnet.net Zor Prime wrote: > Hi All, > > My husband gave me a wonderful gift last evening. He bought 40 agate > slices 1/8" thick or less for me. They are beautiful and I want to do > something with them along with glass. But I don't know how to cut them. > Light shines through them and shows off the lovely colors and I'm afraid > I'll ruin them. > > Any suggestions? I'm dying to get started. I'm assuming that I can at > least grind the edges with my grinder without doing any damage. > > Thanks in advance, > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 18:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: WhispyBlu@aol.com Subject: Re: Uplight/Downlight Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:40:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.144020.0> References: <<3cb42889.351c837b@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Just thought I'd point out: There are Pictures in our ad on page 67 also, And the correct URL is: http://www.dodgestudio.com (no "s" at the end) ><< I've tried looking through my new copy of GPQ and can't seem to >find it. > Can someone tell me what page it is on? Thanks > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran >> > >Page 73 under News and New Products.....first column, 3rd post. Also >great >pictures on their web site: http://www.dodgestudios.com >Lu Ann > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 19:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:34:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: tacky wax, how much? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.162857.0> References: <<1998Mar28.133936.0>> Precedence: bulk about how much tacky wax do you need to allow the glass to stick to the mold? my new lamp will require the stuff, and i need to get an idea of how many coats i need to put on. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 19:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:46:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Magazines Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:45:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.164524.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- I'm trying to compile a list of glass-related magazines that = are in publication today and = subscription info if you have it. = The local library doesn't subscribe to one magazine and I intend to fix that by giving them a few choices! Let me know your favorites as well as your least favs. TIA. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 19:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:58:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: lead came, craft myth? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.165726.0> Precedence: bulk Michael thinks its the increased zinc content in some of the lead that's causing the deterioration problems. Might be just a personal prejudice, though - we don't much care for zinc came period. Would be nice if one of our resident conservation types would jump in here and comment about lead deterioration.... hint, hint.;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 19:59:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:19:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: The big pick-up Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 22:20:32 -0500 Message-ID: <199803290318.WAA24433@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Susan wrote: > The giraffe window was finally delivered to its rightful owner. I had a >tear in my eye as I watched it leave.. ( I had developed a soft spot in my >heart for that little critter).The new owner said it was "nice". (ungrateful >heathern) How could he ever imagine all the HARD WORK that went into it? Not >to mention that I didn't charge him enough. This was my first comissioned >piece and I screwed up big time on the price. He got the giraffe (2ft x 3ft, >156 pieces) AND another smaller window, southwestern design 17 x 31, 45 >pieces..for $500.00. > I'll just chalk this one up to a learning experience. I'll tell you this, >I'm glad I don't do this full time!! Don't think I could take the stress! Susan, I think we've all had experiences like this in the beginning, and sometimes even farther down the road. It's part of it. Most people just don't understand how labor-intensive SG is, and how much of our heart we put into our work. The giraffe was beautiful! And since I think you said he's going into a public place, you'll be able to visit him from time to time. Take heart in the fact that you gave him your best, it was a wonderful experience for you, and next time you'll quote higher. Some of my work seems like one of my "children," and it's difficult to give up. I console myself with the fact that I can always do it again, if need be. Truth is, I never do! There's always something else exciting to look forward to doing. Happy glassing, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 20:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:26:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grave apologies all 'round!! Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:23:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.142325.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk I would like to offer my gravest, and most sincere apologies for adding my VERY unecessary .50 cents worth on thatnow 'unmentionable' subject. I have just gotten back after more than a week of no e-mail at all and began to answer each post before I had even taken the time to see how I suddenly had been inundated with 496 messages--at least 50 of which it seemed like were on 'that' subject and becoming more unhappy with each post. I'm terribly sorry if I have offended anyone, and respectfully ask to be forgiven for my far too quick tongue. I AM truly sorry! :`( Humbly yours, V T Phelps aka Mud ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 20:30:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: goldpaws Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tacky Wax Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.17210.0> References: <<1998Mar27.8201.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I take it tacky wax is something you use to stick the glass to the form for soldering? I've been using something called ticky tak. It's made to stick posters to the wall and that sort of thing. I find it does the job, doesn't leave residue, comes off with another bit ot ticky tak, or if really messy, some water and a paper towell, and it's reusable. I've also been covering my pattern pieces with contact paper so they hold up to oil and water. Then you can ticky tak them to the glass for cutting and grinding instead or marking the pattern lines on the glass. I know this doesn't do anything to solve your present problem, but maybe a thought for future projects. Anyone else do anything like this? I have to credit my kid for introducing me to the stuff and it has a lot of uses. I found it at WalMart in Kansas, but only found it at an office supply store here in Florida with a different name, which of course I can't remember at the moment. Kris goldpaws wrote: > > Can anyone tell me a good way to remove tacky wax from my glass? > It's on a lamp shade and I am having a awful time removing it. > Thanks > Goldpaws > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 21:03:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:18:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "suzy@comcat.com" , Subject: Re: The big pick-up Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:17:09 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: The big pick-up" on Mar 28, 22:20, "suzy@comcat.com" writes:] > Susan wrote: > > The giraffe window was finally delivered to its rightful owner. I had a > >tear in my eye as I watched it leave.. ( I had developed a soft spot in my > >heart for that little critter).The new owner said it was "nice". (ungrateful > The giraffe was beautiful! And since I think you said he's going into a > public place, you'll be able to visit him from time to time. Take heart > in the fact that you gave him your best, it was a wonderful experience > for you, and next time you'll quote higher. Where can we view your giraffe? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 28 22:31:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:59:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Hope this is not a duplicate post! ( I think the original was lost.) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.195045.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wanted to point out that the Uplight/Downlight! patterns are NOT Oriental designs. (Although I DO have a prototype for an Oriental design in the series here, other patterns are slated for publication sooner.) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 02:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: Rick Lasita To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tacky wax, how much? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.234217.0> References: <<1998Mar28.162857.0>> Organization: Window Art GLass Studio Precedence: bulk Mike, one way I found works great is to tear off a little wax, rollit between your fingers to form a little ball, the apply it to the glass, the to the mold. Eliminates the need to melt the stuff, and sure is a lot easier to clean up. Give it a try. Rick Lasita http://home.fuse.net/crafts/index.html M. Savad wrote: > > about how much tacky wax do you need to allow the glass to stick to the > mold? my new lamp will require the stuff, and i need to get an idea of > how many coats i need to put on. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added > and My Updated Shop Photo's > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 04:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:40:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: idt.net!katz9 From: Katharine To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Questions Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 05:48:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar28.234816.0> Precedence: bulk My wife and I are new to both this Bungi group and Stain Glass in general.She will write our combined bios sometime in the near future. They will pale,of course,when viewed next to Albert's. We have a few questions...if anyone can help,it would be appreciated. 1.) Our first project is a Window.It is round,contains 250 pieces,about 2 1/2 feet tall.We were hoping to avoid having to put any supporting bars across it,are we being overly optimistic? 2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions should we be taking? 3.)We are hoping with our next project to use crystals and marbles...any suggestions on how to anchor them? 4.)We are looking for some nice box patterns...as well as any magazines about the craft. Guess that's it for now..seems like the lurk---->explode approach :D Thanks Bruce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 05:51:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 05:04:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:04:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar29.1340.0> Precedence: bulk TO: People who do not wear gloves while soldering and patining Have been reading the back and forth banter on hand care and must comment....... Is it only me??? Don't most of you guys realize that your skin is an organ by which whatever comes into contact with it, goes thru and into your body!!! Just read about a study being done by which animals are being given immunizations VIA skin contact alone!!! There is great hope that one day soon, all babies and children will receive vaccinations that way. Growing up I noticed my mother used all kinds of detergents, bleach, etc. and never wore gloves. I also did the same until I became aware of the body. Why would you knowing let your body absorb lead, tin and acid from flux along with patina? If you know that you are using a harsh chemical, why aren't you protecting your body with gloves? They come in different sizes for all hands and you can get a snug fit ( first priority) with medical gloves. People comment that gloves hinder them. Initially, yes. But you can actually get USED to them and not even know you are wearing them. What about surgeons??? Certainly they do very exacting, precise work! If they can work with gloves on, why can't we all? After working, your hands are virtually clean, though you still must WASH them with soap and water. There will be no chemical residue on your hands nor in your body. There will be no need to use other chemicals to get the chemicals and odor off of your hands. No creams will be necessary to repair for chemical damage on your hands. (Of course we still need the creams for the water contact with grinder, etc.) Speaking of soap, I'll get off my box now. Lovingly Written, Lenore P.S. Be sure you get the SNUGGEST fit possible. Try on different sizes. Anyone who does not have or think they have access to medical gloves may e- mail me with your snail mail address and size you think you need and I will MAIL you a pair (free of charge) NO. I am not a medical supplier nor do I have gloves for sale. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 06:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:03:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp04.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass Mail..Butterfly Question and pricing Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199803291359.IAA01030@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Mar27.173034.0>> Precedence: bulk Don writes, Well...... In a recent post when another Lady asked the same question. His rate was $60 per square foot . and 1.50 per cut piece of glass. Then he added a charge for difficulty or boredom etc. The butterfly is 1.25 square ft. It contains 46 pieces of cut glass many of the pieces of glass were (for me anyway) difficult and tight inside curves. They ended up cut out of a glass I should have known better than to try. (Wasted most of the piece).To make a long story I asked her $150............. is that too much? Don't worry about hurting my feelings. I really need to know what is what if I am going to sell some of this. I honestly think and have been told that my work is good. So I hate to sell my stuff short or too cheap. Thanks for replying!!! Don, I don't have experience selling SG work, so take my comments with a grain of salt. They are more from the economics point of view. You can only sell stuff at the price people are willing to pay for it. If you charge too much, you'll be sitting and waiting for clients. If you charge too little, chances are that you'll be flooded with requests, but gone bankrupt at the end. You have to find a place in the middle. One way to reduce the final price --if seemed too hefty by potential clients-- is to reduce the number of hours you spent on it, use cheaper glass, or even "mass produce" one design. Obviously, all these are detrimental to the product, but you have to adjust to your market. Artisans depend on several factors to price their products, in my opinion: average price of similar work, quality of their work, how sought is that kind of work, and finally, by their own reputation. Big megastores and "cheap imports" (from developing countries :) are reducing the average price. SG work is not a necessity, rather, a luxury and hence higher prices does not mean higher profits, rather, less sales --unless you can argue that higher prices might mean more "exclusivity" and create a product that is sought as "a product I have to have it to keep up with the Johnsons"; in that case, all SG workers will benefit. Unfortunately, the cheap versions will always be a stop to this; there are however ways to avoid it: special labels. For instance, lets assume Albert's guild (sorry, I don't remember the name, but for the sake of this message I'll call it ASG) decides that from now on all products made by its members will have an "authenticity label". Then ASG starts to advertise heavily on TV and on lamps stores about this label, expressing why the imports are lower in quality and, to display the label conspicuously in the work. Maybe --there is always a "but", in Spanish we say--, maybe people will start to fall into the idea that ASG work is "better", and more exclusive. And this is the catch! Many people want to have something exclusive that their neighbors or friends can't to show their wealth. This works certainly in many products, from cars (Mercedes, Jaguars) to clothing (Hugo Boss --I hate they have those conspicuous labels in many of their products, but that is what people want). Even if the products are better --and they might-- people are willing to pay the price for other reasons beyond just quality. That way cheap imports" don't matter any more. You can price your work even higher, because people will be looking for the label. This is sort of what a great designer accomplishes. Chagall, Tiffany or any other could charge huge amounts of money because, well, we very well know why. But going back to your original question... Certainly, as you described, you have little reputation, as compared to, for the sake of an example, a established studio, even if it was the same quality. From the point of view of a layman, she or he does not have any way to measure the quality of work except for the reputation of the place where she buys it from. That is the perception of people. You can only bargain with the two in the middle: how much she wanted the product and the quality of it. Obviously, that does not mean there will be an intersection in which both a manufacturer and a client will agree. If that is the case, no product exchanges hands. If you do it as a hobby --as I do-- you might not care whether you have customers at all! In that case, you can set your prices at your own will. I hope I did not bore anybody who made it this far. Happy glassing, -- Daniel M. German "Work. Finish. Publish. " Michael Faraday http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 07:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:22:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shirley Balloch Subject: Using agates / cutting them Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:08:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.1080.0> References: <<1998Mar28.24916.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Mar28.24916.0@?>, Shirley Balloch writes >Why do you want to cut them? .......... >But if you must cut the agate, you will need a rock saw and they are >very expensive. Or maybe you know a rock hound that will do it for you >or let you use his/her saw. There is a person here in Scotland who has devised a way of cutting agates without saws, but will not reveal her method (fair enough, I suppose, her choice_). experiments with using a glass scorer might prove helpful, before getting a saw. Also why wouldn't a glass saw do the same job? -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 07:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Katharine Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:15:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.16151.0> References: <<1998Mar28.234816.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Mar28.234816.0@?>, Katharine writes >My wife and I are new to both this Bungi group and Stain Glass in >general.She will write our combined bios sometime in the near future. >They will pale,of course,when viewed next to Albert's. > >We have a few questions...if anyone can help,it would be appreciated. > >1.) Our first project is a Window.It is round,contains 250 pieces,about >2 1/2 feet tall.We were hoping to avoid having to put any supporting >bars across it,are we being overly optimistic? Yes, if you want it to last. > >2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions >should we be taking? Lots and lots. There are some good notes on precautions in the archives. You also will have to take lots of precautions as your child grows up so you don't transfer lead to her/him. Children appear to be more susceptable to lead than old people like me. > Enjoy the craft, but be careful. there are lots of dangers in this. -- Steve Richard Verrier Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 08:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:24:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.42459.0> References: <<1998Mar29.1340.0>> Precedence: bulk Lenore wrote that gloves should be worn. I 100% agree. We always wear gloves when using flux. I use them when soldering, etc., but my partners do not. A comparison of our hands should be sufficient to convince anyone to wear gloves. One note: some people are allergic to latex - you can wear a pair of white cotton gloves between the skin and gloves and this also helps to ensure a nice, snug fit. Thanks, Lenore, for sharing a point that is right on the money. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 08:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass bungi line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The big pick-up Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:28:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.52846.0> References: <<199803290318.WAA24433@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > Susan wrote: > > The giraffe window was finally delivered to its rightful owner. I had a > >tear in my eye as I watched it leave.. ( I had developed a soft spot in my > >heart for that little critter).The new owner said it was "nice". (ungrateful > >heathern) How could he ever imagine all the HARD WORK that went into it? Not > >to mention that I didn't charge him enough. This was my first comissioned > >piece and I screwed up big time on the price. He got the giraffe (2ft x 3ft, > >156 pieces) AND another smaller window, southwestern design 17 x 31, 45 > >pieces..for $500.00. > > I'll just chalk this one up to a learning experience. I'll tell you this, > >I'm glad I don't do this full time!! Don't think I could take the stress! > > Susan, > > I think we've all had experiences like this in the beginning, and > sometimes even farther down the road. It's part of it. Most people just > don't understand how labor-intensive SG is, and how much of our heart we > put into our work. > > The giraffe was beautiful! And since I think you said he's going into a > public place, you'll be able to visit him from time to time. Take heart > in the fact that you gave him your best, it was a wonderful experience > for you, and next time you'll quote higher. > > Some of my work seems like one of my "children," and it's difficult to > give up. I console myself with the fact that I can always do it again, if > need be. Truth is, I never do! There's always something else exciting to > look forward to doing. > > Happy glassing, > > ---- along with that, be sure to take pictures once it's installed. and add that to your collection. be sure to add the date and where it's located on the back of the picture for future reference. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 08:56:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:39:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tacky wax, how much? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.53434.0> References: <<351E1779.6494@fuse.net>> Precedence: bulk Rick Lasita wrote: > > Mike, one way I found works great is to tear off a little wax, rollit > between your fingers to form a little ball, the apply it to the glass, > the to the mold. Eliminates the need to melt the stuff, and sure is a > lot easier to clean up. Give it a try. > > Rick Lasita > http://home.fuse.net/crafts/index.html > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > about how much tacky wax do you need to allow the glass to stick to the > > mold? my new lamp will require the stuff, and i need to get an idea of > > how many coats i need to put on. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- normally i would do that, but here's the problem: i'm working on a my own mold. it's a rubber ball, and it's kind of flexible. the pieces would need to gently rest on the surface. otherwise it would deform, or move the other pieces. i figured if i heat up some of the wax, i'd coat the ball, and have a sticky place. last time i tried spray glue, it did work, but it dried out way to quickly; so i figured i'd try tacky wax this time around. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 09:03:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:09:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Using agates / cutting them Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.6411.0> References: <<1998Mar29.1080.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > > In message <1998Mar28.24916.0@?>, Shirley Balloch > writes > >Why do you want to cut them? > .......... > >But if you must cut the agate, you will need a rock saw and they are > >very expensive. Or maybe you know a rock hound that will do it for you > >or let you use his/her saw. > > There is a person here in Scotland who has devised a way of cutting > agates without saws, but will not reveal her method (fair enough, I > suppose, her choice_). experiments with using a glass scorer might > prove helpful, before getting a saw. Also why wouldn't a glass saw do > the same job? > > -- there may not be enough "shock" using a cutter. however a brick cutter may work. with a quick sharp it could break where you wanted it to. i'm not sure if it's better to work against something hard or softer like wood. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 09:22:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:54:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Katharine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:49:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.5493.0> References: <<1998Mar28.234816.0>> Precedence: bulk Katharine wrote: > > My wife and I are new to both this Bungi group and Stain Glass in > general.She will write our combined bios sometime in the near future. > They will pale,of course,when viewed next to Albert's. > > We have a few questions...if anyone can help,it would be appreciated. > > 1.) Our first project is a Window.It is round,contains 250 pieces,about > 2 1/2 feet tall.We were hoping to avoid having to put any supporting > bars across it,are we being overly optimistic? > > 2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions > should we be taking? > > 3.)We are hoping with our next project to use crystals and marbles...any > suggestions on how to anchor them? > > 4.)We are looking for some nice box patterns...as well as any magazines > about the craft. > > Guess that's it for now..seems like the lurk---->explode approach :D > > Thanks > > Bruce > ---- 1. since the window is round it should be pretty strong. that is if you have a border around the piece made of glass. so the main seams don't stick off the edge. i would wrap the outside with either a border came or some sort of reinforcement came. that should stiffin it up enough, though it still depends on your design. 2. you may be able to work as a team, your wife could do the cutting ans or foiling. and you could do the soldering. the lead and chemicals at the end, could be bad for the child. so stay away from the solder, flux (heated and non), patina, etching cream, etc. 3. crystals: it all depends on what kind of crystals your going to attach. most crystals that i have came from necklaces, and chandaliers. they all have a hole pre-drilled in it. so they can dangle if needed. otherwise wrap them in foil. if it's a spear, wrap the base (completly), with say 3/8" foil. though a dab of glue will help to secure it further. marbles: marbles can be tricky, though i found a method that works well. get your marble, and grind a very light mark all the way around the marble. but it has to be even, you don't want it to spiral out. then carefully foil, and rub it down, and there you go. 4. so far the best box making books that i know of are simplied boxes 1 and 2 i think CKE makes them. some day in the future i'll have my own book. magazines woudl be glass patterns quarterly http://www.glasspatterns.com/ the other's are stained glass craftsman which i think is at http://www.artglassworld.com/mag/sglass/sglass.html the second magazine has some stained glass in it, it covers different aspects of glass work. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 10:14:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:14:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Katharine , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:12:30 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Questions" on Mar 29, 5:48, Katharine writes:] > My wife and I are new to both this Bungi group and Stain Glass in > general.She will write our combined bios sometime in the near future. > They will pale,of course,when viewed next to Albert's. > > We have a few questions...if anyone can help,it would be appreciated. > > 1.) Our first project is a Window.It is round,contains 250 pieces,about > 2 1/2 feet tall.We were hoping to avoid having to put any supporting > bars across it,are we being overly optimistic? I think this is probably the max you should go with out reinforcement. Why not run some srongline through it at least? I'd rather be safe than sorry. (I'm assuming this is a copperfoil project?) > 2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions > should we be taking? Personally I wouldn't take the risk. I got preg. while working at at lab where they took gas, oil, water, etc. samples to analyze. The possibility of mercury contamination made me leave my job. There was no way I was risking the health of my baby. I had no desire to have a deformed or retarded child. Please be very careful... -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 10:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:04:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "M. Savad" , glass bungi line Subject: Re: The big pick-up Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:04:20 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: The big pick-up" on Mar 29, 10:28, "M. Savad" writes:] > suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > > > Susan wrote: > > > The giraffe window was finally delivered to its rightful owner. I had a > > >tear in my eye as I watched it leave.. ( I had developed a soft spot in my > > >heart for that little critter).The new owner said it was "nice". (ungrateful > > >heathern) How could he ever imagine all the HARD WORK that went into it? Not > > >to mention that I didn't charge him enough. This was my first comissioned > > >piece and I screwed up big time on the price. He got the giraffe (2ft x 3ft, > > >156 pieces) AND another smaller window, southwestern design 17 x 31, 45 > > >pieces..for $500.00. > > > I'll just chalk this one up to a learning experience. I'll tell you this, > > >I'm glad I don't do this full time!! Don't think I could take the stress! What a great job you did on that giraffe!! I see why you had a hard time saying goodbye to the fella. Pretty cute. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 10:45:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:22:21 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Magazines" on Mar 28, 21:45, "Michael J. Greer" writes:] > > to one magazine and I intend to > fix that by giving them a few > choices! Let me know your > favorites as well as your least favs. My favorites are: Glass Craftsman Glass Art Glass Patterns Quarterly -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 11:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:29:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Questions Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.72648.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Katharine: >We have a few questions...if anyone can help,it would be appreciated. 1.) Our first project is a Window.It is round,contains 250 pieces,about = 2 1/2 feet tall.We were hoping to avoid having to put any supporting bars across it,are we being overly optimistic?> Are you doing lead or copper foil? Knowing this will help us give you more informed opinions on support. But rest assured, you will indeed need to have some sort of support on a structure this large. <2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions= should we be taking?> Chemicals and soldering are no-nos for pregnant and lactating people. As in REAL BAD no-nos. So...your wife should no be doing any chemical or soldering work during her pregnancy and breast-feeding months. Also, this work should not be done in the house because of the very real possibility of lead contamination. Do your chemical and soldering work somewhere else, and be sure to take a shower immediately when you are through. Also, segregate your clothes from the rest of the family's and wash them separately. No sense in passing the lead around through your clothes. <3.)We are hoping with our next project to use crystals and marbles...any= suggestions on how to anchor them?> Marbles - a light grinding around the parameter and then copper foil them into place like any other glass piece. Of course, you will have to raise up the level of the rest of the panel so that the marble is in the same plane as the glass. As to crystals, I generally just hang them into open spaces in my panels. I solder a loop at a solder joint, then hang the crystal via clear fishing line. Unless you mean "jewels" instead of crystals. For jewels and nuggets I just do a light grinding around the parameter and foil and solder as normal. <4.)We are looking for some nice box patterns...as well as any magazines about the craft.> Well, I'm sure you will be seeing magazine suggestions as a reply to another posting by Dani Greer. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 11:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:59:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!lyelton From: Linda Yelton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Cathedral Tour for Glass ARtists Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.73520.0> Organization: self Precedence: bulk Dear Glass Artist, I am writing to tell you about a tour this summer of Gothic Cathedrals of Northern France. The tour will take place the first week in July--when the sun is at it's height making the glass it's most glorious--and be guided by master glass artist Susan Stevens. This small tour, limited to ten participants, is perfect for people who are passionate about stained glass. We will start at Notre Dame de Chartres, the queen of Cathedrals, and a must see for glass artists. The group will stay in a chateau just outside Chartres, and tour the cathedral, a glass museum and atelier. = The trip continues to Rouen, Amiens, St. Quentin, Laon, Reims and then Paris to experience Notre Dame de Paris and St. Chapelle. Three-star hotels have been reserved throughout for the groups comfort. Transportation will be by car and minivan to give maximum flexibility for side trips. Susan Stevens, your guide, is a former Artist-in-Residence and teacher at Wesley Seminary. She is currently a designer for a studio in Maryland. Her stained-glass windows are featured in many churches throughout the greater Washington, DC area, including one on the National Cathedral grounds. She will guide the tour through eight Gothic cathedrals famous worldwide for the richness and history of their windows. We think glass artists should be the first to have a chance to participate in this experience and be among the few to visit these cathedrals in the glory of summer's light. They will share Sue's deep understanding of glass and religious art and the contribution of other artists in the group. This is a trip glass artists really should take. We can reduce the price of $2,500 by 10% for each additional person in any group of glass artists. That is the first pays full price, but the second third fourth etc are each 10% off. = For more information, please reply with your name and snail mail address to: = lyelton@erols.com or glassSue@aol.com =85 see our website www.erols.com/lyelton/cathedral/welcome.html = (The website currently says July 1-10 and mentions Paris first. Due to the World Cup Soccer match in Paris June 20-July 12, the itinerary has been changed. The website will reflect those changes soon.) =85 phone 703-521-7078 or 301-270-4567 I look forward to your reply. Sincerely yours, Linda Yelton Tour Coordinator ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 12:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'leestat7'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: BUNGI POSTINGS Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:05:14 -0100 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.2514.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, I also enjoy the information you provide on the IGGA.. So put my vote in = favor of keeping it posted on the bungi.. Remember, you can always = delete. Thanks Gloria -----Original Message----- From: leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 10:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: BUNGI POSTINGS I vote for continued posting. I have been too busy lately to do much more than lurk, and haven't' followed the last 2-3 weeks discussions, or even answered my personal e-mail. I have 2192 that's right 2,192 unread messages. I will get around to reading (or at least skimming) all of them. It is easy to hit the delete key if the subject has no interest to you.=20 I am in glass full time at my home studio, and have been helped immeasurably by the tips and advice that comes from bungi mail list, also subscribe to the ArtMetal list which generates 50 or more posts every day. They are invaluable too. Tonight when I logged on there was 151 messages, I look forward to reading them all, then saving the relevant ones. =20 So please Albert, keep up the good work, post the IGGA memos, and remind everyone that you don't have to be a member of IGGA (I am) to benefit from their work. The list and site are generously provided free by the Rand's, bless them. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations =20 > I'll ask for a show of hands: should IGGA News Memos no longer be=20 > posted to glass@bungi? It'd take me maybe 5 seconds to fix that. >=20 >=20 > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 14:07:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:06:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bios Update Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:01:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.9142.0> Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any problem with the posting of the Bios? I am getting positive feedback off-line and no negatives. Assuming that there is no heartburn I'll continue with the Saturday posts (and if there is heartburn ... take Rolaids and keep the bottle near the delete key). How about posting 3 instead of the 2? Comments please. I don't want to flood the group with bios. To all of you that have submitted bios .... thank you. For those that haven't submitted, please take this as a formal request. There is no such thing as a boring life. Any help I can give contact me off-line. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 15:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:21:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: glass hands Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:38:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.13843.0> Precedence: bulk Well Zane I keep both medical latex and vinyl gloves on hand for myself and my students. Check medical, dental, janitorial, scientific and hardware supply companies and stores. Anyone allergic to latex should be alright with vinyl, and the medical type of vinyl are just about as tight fitting as the latex, if you choose the right size. With the cotton gloves , you may lose some of the touch sensitivity. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Zane Cimera [SMTP:sigglass@nb.net] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 1998 6:25 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass hands One note: some people are allergic to latex - you can wear a pair of white cotton gloves between the skin and gloves and this also helps to ensure a nice, snug fit. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 17:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:22:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: pkelly@n-link.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bios Update Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:19:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.0198.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-29 17:10:47 EST, pkelly@n-link.com writes: << How about posting 3 instead of the 2? Comments please. >> I think the bios are wonderful, keep them coming. I don't think the number of bios is the issue as much as the length of adding the third. I DO NOT think the bios are too long, I find them quite fascinating actually. I just think a third one would be too much. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 19:45:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cathedral Tour for Glass ARtists Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:29:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.22914.0> Precedence: bulk We can reduce the price of $2,500 by 10% for each additional person in any group of glass artists. That is the first pays full price, but the second third fourth etc are each 10% off. = Dear fellow bungians, Wouldn't yall just love to pitch in and send me to this? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 20:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:40:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Stnglsgrn From: Stnglsgrn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead came, craft myth? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:36:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.23641.0> Precedence: bulk Julie L. Sloan book "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" has a very good review of the problem. It seem that pure lead came may not be the best choice. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 20:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:53:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Yegnim@Aol.com Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.175049.0> References: <<1998Mar29.1340.0>> Precedence: bulk Just for the record, we always wear gloves while doing patina. I never wear gloves while soldering. Soldering just takes too long and I could never stand it. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com > >TO: People who do not wear gloves while soldering and patining >Is it only me??? Don't most of you guys realize that your skin is an >organ by >which whatever comes into contact with it, goes thru and into your >body!!! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 29 21:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:30:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Lenore, Have you ever wondered why we have skin at all if everything just goes right on through? I think if you ponder the question you will decide that our skin does in fact, act as a barrier between our bodies and many potential hazards in our external environment. I'm not saying that anyone should or shouldn't wear gloves, or that the skin is a perfect barrier, but geez, don't terrorize everyone! Sarah >TO: People who do not wear gloves while soldering and patining >Have been reading the back and forth banter on hand care and must >comment....... >Is it only me??? Don't most of you guys realize that your skin is an organ by >which whatever comes into contact with it, goes thru and into your body!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 01:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:19:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: luton.ac.uk!david.outram From: david.outram@luton.ac.uk To: DMR74 , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:35:42 GMT Message-ID: <1998Mar30.83542.0> Organization: University of Luton Precedence: bulk In my past as a Marine Engineer I used to use Barrier Cream to help protect the hands from Diesel, oils etc. You should be able to obtain it from a hardware store. It helps keep the moisture in the hands, however it is not to everyones taste as it can be a bit greasy if not rubbed in well. Regards > From: DMR74 > I know everyone has at some time or another said something about cuts on our > hands and we all live with it cause its a fact of glass, my question is about > flux. Am I the only one who gets this dry smelly like hands after working > with flux?, (actually I think some of the smell is from pantina) Its like a > faint metal smell. I wash all my peices with a combination of JOY (I think > someone said it was good to use) baking soda and water. Usually I have a > small bowl with this mixture and I use a tooth brush to wash my pieces. I do > have one of those metal bars you use for onion and fish smell (by the way it > works great for that) but after washing my hands well and drying they feel > terrrible, maybe you men are used to this (stab... kidding, gosh gotta watch > what I say) I use hand cream but maybe there is something else or a cream > others use that works well, any hints? Or do I just live with this like the > small cuts on my hands every so often? > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 04:14:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:34:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: citynet.net!zorprime From: Zor Prime To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Agate fan lamp Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:34:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar29.223441.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, So I took Bob's advise and foiled some agates of complimentary colors, soldered between them and made a free form fan lamp panel. It somewhat resembles the shape of a peacocks tail and looks rather nice. When the light is turned on behind it , it looks REALLY nice. I think hubby was more impressed with it than anything I've done for a while, and I spent just a little over an hour on it. I'm going to my first art & craft show this weekend, and he wants it marked sold if I take it. Guess we're keeping it. I did use the grinder to knock off some edges that were impossible to foil over. And I cracked the first one that I was making a suncatcher out of. It had a couple of holes in it and was very heat sensitive, it appears. But it was a learning experience. Thanks for all the advise and ideas. While asking questions around here, I found out that my mother-in-law has a complete set of rock equipment crated up at her house. It hasn't been unpacked for many years and I can bring it home and use it if I want. Oh, for more time and room to work in! Thanks again, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 05:19:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:30:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Painting Discontinued to Outsiders Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:27:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.122728.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani and Bungians, I just finally got thru to Dani and Michael's web site featuring Michael's glass paintings. They are terrific!!! Michael certainly has TALENT! Anyone wishing to view glass paintings should definitely check out this web site. How disgusting that Michael (nor your business) was not given the proper credit for the painting he did. I can understand your anger and frustration. The person (phony) who took the credit will pay at one point for the theft. You can be certain of that! It is a shame for honest people in need of your services which is no longer available. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 05:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:15:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lantern Clarification Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.31438.0> Precedence: bulk >Just wanted to point out that the Uplight/Downlight! patterns are NOT >Oriental designs. (Although I DO have a prototype for an Oriental Sorry if my posting was not clear. What I meant to write was Marianne and I look for new and interesting things that our customers would like to see. We look outside the usual stained glass market, consequently sometimes we have displays of items that are not available from pattern companies. In explanation: We don't necessarily sell patterns for all items we display because our interest is to inspire, educate and provide a pleasant atmosphere for customers and employees. To do this we will purchase stained glass (and related) items solely with the intent of making an interesting display without regard to whether or not patterns are available. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 08:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:23:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: ItsAlison@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Mail..Butterfly Question and pricing Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:21:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.16217.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 13:32:48 EST, ItsAlison@aol.com writes: << Don $150 for a butterfly, >> Hi is there any more info on this butterfly - size, was it designed or from a pattern book, etc. - I am also interested in pricing some of my things - mostly from pattern books. Does that make a difference? Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 09:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: un- subscribe Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:21:59 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980330112159.007ef4a0@mail.tznet.com> Precedence: bulk Will be gone until April 10th. See you all then.Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 11:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: donald f davis To: Sarah Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:39:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Mar30.83942.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I think that the flux is most likely the least of our problems. Sure it has an acid, it drys my hands out a little... but dosen't seem to cause too much of a problem. However on the other hand the patina is another story. The copper patina has a metallic compound (copper sulfate) which does absorb into the skin. I wear gloves during the patina, but soldering I just can't. Maybe I should..... Don On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Sarah wrote: > Hi Lenore, > > Have you ever wondered why we have skin at all if everything just goes > right on through? > > I think if you ponder the question you will decide that our skin does in > fact, act as a barrier between our bodies and many potential hazards in our > external environment. I'm not saying that anyone should or shouldn't wear > gloves, or that the skin is a perfect barrier, but geez, don't terrorize > everyone! > > Sarah > > > >TO: People who do not wear gloves while soldering and patining > >Have been reading the back and forth banter on hand care and must > >comment....... > >Is it only me??? Don't most of you guys realize that your skin is an organ by > >which whatever comes into contact with it, goes thru and into your body!!! > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 11:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:41:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bevel query Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.82716.0> Precedence: bulk Hey I just want to say thank you for the kind words. I read them at just the right moment when an encouraging word really ministered to me. I hope that we will be able to service you again in the future. Michael Minchelli from L.S.G. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 12:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio#6 Daniel German Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:42:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.194212.0> Precedence: bulk Nice bio Daniel! Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 13:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:04:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: tacky wax, how much? Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar30.20223.0> Precedence: bulk On the subject of tacky wax - how do you use it with kits that include the tacky wax but no mold? Everywhere tacky wax has come up has been with lamp molds. I was eyeing a 3D church and some other house-type things. Think its by DeeXXXXXXXX something. Its a kit that includes the pattern, frilgree and tacky wax. How would one use tacky wax without a mold? Any ideas? Thanks. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 13:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lisnet.net!karinal From: Karina To: Katharine , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.105326.0> References: <<1998Mar28.234816.0>> Precedence: bulk Katharine wrote: > My wife and I are new to both this Bungi group and Stain Glass in > general. > > 2.)My wife is expecting our first child in 5 mos..what extra precautions > should we be taking? I teach stained glass and if any women raises the question if she should be taking this course while being pregnant, I say "don't!" When soldering, you inhale the fumes from the solder ( containing lead ) and also the fumes from the flux ( which probably contains zinc chloride ). Even if you use a small fan to blow the fumes away from your work, you're still likely to inhale. I would not take even the slightest chance of my unborn child being exposed to this environment. -Karina- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 15:33:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:30:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.122559.0> References: <<1998Mar30.83942.0>> Precedence: bulk donald f davis wrote: > > I think that the flux is most likely the least of our problems. Sure it > has an acid, it drys my hands out a little... but dosen't seem to cause > too much of a problem. However on the other hand the patina is another > story. The copper patina has a metallic compound (copper sulfate) which > does absorb into the skin. I wear gloves during the patina, but soldering > I just can't. Maybe I should..... > Don > > On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Sarah wrote: > > > Hi Lenore, > > > > Have you ever wondered why we have skin at all if everything just goes > > right on through? > > > > I think if you ponder the question you will decide that our skin does in > > fact, act as a barrier between our bodies and many potential hazards in our > > external environment. I'm not saying that anyone should or shouldn't wear > > gloves, or that the skin is a perfect barrier, but geez, don't terrorize > > everyone! > > > > Sarah > > > > > > >TO: People who do not wear gloves while soldering and patining > > >Have been reading the back and forth banter on hand care and must > > >comment....... > > >Is it only me??? Don't most of you guys realize that your skin is an organ by > > >which whatever comes into contact with it, goes thru and into your body!!! > > > > i used to not wear gloves when soldering, my hands were very dry. since wearing the gloves, my hands dont' itch from the flux, and if a hot solder ball lands on my hand the damage is'nt as bad. since the ball did'nt stick to my hand... it still burns though. however sometimes the gloves gave me a split second reaction time to get the hot solder off. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 17:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:29:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Glass in Chicago Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.142226.0> Precedence: bulk The Walker Bros. Pancake Houses of which there are 4 or 5 in the Chicago area display many, many fine pieces of stained glass art in their restaurants. The owners are collectors and restorers of old pieces. I know that the one restaurant in the Arlingtons Heights suburb and one in the Lincolnwood suburb are very fine. And the food is outstanding as well. No commercial, just a critical commentary. Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 17:31:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:51:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: Margaret41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Mail..Butterfly Question and pricing Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:49:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.144950.0> References: <<1998Mar30.16217.0>> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk The Butterfly ended up about 15"X11.5". It did come from a pattern book, but in order to make it cutable I had to change a couple of things. Some of the pieces were just going to end up too small. As it is some of the bottom pieces around the tail are about .25". For me (beginner) that is tough to grind to shape. Bieng a jack of several trades I am used to having my hands close to rotating parts and cutters. So it wasn't too bad. Never-the-less it still ends up (after the recount) 49 pieces of glass. Some of the pieces having almost 270 degree inside curves. But it looks good in my kitchen window. If the lady didn't want it..... so be it. Thanks alot to everyone who jumped to answer my questions and to give me some support. I think this is going to be a life long hobby. I just enjoy it so much. Thanks All!!!!! Margaret41 wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-27 13:32:48 EST, ItsAlison@aol.com writes: > > << Don > $150 for a butterfly, >> > > Hi is there any more info on this butterfly - size, was it designed or > from a > pattern book, etc. - I am also interested in pricing some of my things > - > mostly from pattern books. Does that make a difference? > > Margaret > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 17:55:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:55:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: indiana.edu!dfdavis From: Donald Davis To: pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bios Update Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.145432.0> References: <<1998Mar29.9142.0>> Organization: Indiana University Precedence: bulk This may be a real bad question but..................here goes. What is a BIOS? pkelly wrote: > Does anybody have any problem with the posting of the Bios? I am > getting > positive feedback off-line and no negatives. Assuming that there is no > > heartburn I'll continue with the Saturday posts (and if there is > heartburn ... take Rolaids and keep the bottle near the delete key). > How > about posting 3 instead of the 2? Comments please. I don't want to > flood > the group with bios. > > To all of you that have submitted bios .... thank you. For those that > haven't submitted, please take this as a formal request. There is no > such thing as a boring life. Any help I can give contact me off-line. > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 17:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:17:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mb.sympatico.ca!mb.sympatico.ca From: Darlene Hendler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: small boxes Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:15:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.111544.0> Precedence: bulk I accidently erased the url with the address of the site that has the patterns for the boxes. Can anyone help me out and post it again? Thanks, Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 18:19:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:01:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: dodgestudio@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass hands Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:56:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar31.05624.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-27 23:05:26 EST, you write: > recommended A+D Ointment Ah Ha and my mom had me using that all the time when I was a kid, hmm maybe she knew something huh LOL, I forgot all about that stuff (maybe I was trying to) deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 18:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:39:40 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > From: Carolyn Noel > Reply-To: glasscat@infinet.com > Organization: The Stained Glass Place > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "Michael J. Greer" > CC: All > Subject: Re: Magazines > References: <1998Mar28.164524.0> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I like Glass Patterns Quarterly and Glass Craftsman. > I also subscibe to The Crafts Report to keep up with color trends, etc. > Carolyn -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 19:02:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Margaret41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: tacky wax, how much? Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Mar30.16029.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Margaret- Ordinarily you just roll up little balls of tacky wax and stick a = corner of the glass into the ball, then squish onto the surface of the mold. Likewise, you can use those little balls of wax to hold pieces of glass together. We also use it in a pinch to stick glass pieces onto the glass easel, though in a window it often gets too warm and the = wax balls soften up too much to hold the glass pieces. So for that purpose we make a special mix of 1 part rosin and 4 parts beeswax melted together. (THe more rosin the harder and less sticky the mixture is). You just = have to tap the glass and it comes right off; likewise with the wax. I've never heard of this coating with layers of wax stuff... maybe it works but it sounds like an awful lot of extra work to me! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 19:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:04:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, pkelly@n-link.com Subject: Re: Bio# 7 Tim Brynes Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:02:56 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Here is an interesting problem with the bios. I read the attached one and wanted to contact the author, but there is no e-mail address. Maybe there is a way to include it in the bio without a lot of work on Patrick's part? I mean, you read someone's bio and it clicks...you want to contact that person and start a conversation...How? In the meantime, woiuld Tim Byrnes send me an e-mail, please? don@chescom.net Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation >>> pkelly 03/28 9:49 AM >>> Here goes: I was born in Trumbull, CT on Aug.11th. 1938. Went to the local grade school, graduated from Bassick High School in Bridgeport in June 1958 and served 4 yrs. in the Army and 2yrs. in the Reserve. I got married the first time at 21, and that lasted for 8 yrs. Worked at many different jobs, because I had no trade or good working skills. Got married for the second time at 35 to a person who had 4 children and that ended in 1980. In 1975 I had a chance to go through an on the job training program to become a mechanical assembler, from there I became a Manufacturing Coordinator in a Printed Circuit Dept. for the same company. I was released from that job do to down sizing, but it was in this job that I met my future stained glass instructor. In Nov of 1982 I met a wonderful man whom I fell in Love with, we went through a Holy Union, at the Metropolitan Community Church in July of 1983. We had alot of good times together, until he choose to return to alcoholic drinking,and contracted AIDS, I watched a beautiful man die, a very slow painful death. In June of 1992, he went home to live with GOD. In Feb.1989 I started to work at a local Home for the AGED, where I still work today as a Maintenance Assistant and love doing things for elderly people. My friend Ginny whom I had worked with Philips Medical Systems, started to teach me the Art of Stained Glass in her home studio. I studied with her til March 1995 and opened my own home studio in Sept. 1995. I am not out to make alot of money, just enough to pay for supplies, doing glass is relaxing time for me. I have just recently become a Deacon at MCC, and I can't wait til we have our own building, so I can make a Window panel for our church. I am very happy to have a church that I can go to and feel wanted and loved. I still think of Jerry when I hear certain songs or come across his picture in one of my meditation books. I have a very full life, and a great four leggged room mate by the name of PRINCESS. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 22:14:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:09:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snowcrest.net!aurora From: cathie sutton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: take me off Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:08:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199803310508.VAA18744@snowcrest.net> Precedence: bulk please remove me from bungi line. to many messages. aurora@snowcrest.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 30 23:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:39:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Information on Bios Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 03:06:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan3.21624.0> Precedence: bulk I am doing a quick screen of the bios as they come in and again prior to posting. The screen, as I explained to some of the members, was not to cover anything up but to delete sensative or personal information that may find its way off of the list (i.e., home address, phone numbers, email addresses, etc). I don't mean to be cryptic but we do live in some very strange times. When I do find this information that may have been posted in haste I notify the sender and give them a chance to change thier mind prior to posting. Nothing is ever posted without the senders permission. However, you can find the sender's email address in prior postings if you are interested in contacting them, or email me and I'll relay the message. Patrick Roses and Rainbows BTW Attention all lurkers (and we know who you are) we are waiting patiently for your bios. Don't make me get ugly (oops past that point years ago). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 31 08:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:45:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bios Update Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:42:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar31.154230.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-03-30 20:56:25 EST, you write: > > Does anybody have any problem with the posting of the Bios? I am > > getting > > positive feedback off-line and no negatives Ok one small weee little problem I have and it might just be me, so lets not make this a debate those that see it the same as me or understand what I am saying good those that dont' it's not a big deal, I just think that all the ooo's and ahhhs on the bios should be private mail the bios are just so that we all can really get to know one another. And I really like the biios deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 31 15:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: testing Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:08:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Mar31.22856.0> Precedence: bulk Just testing e-mail......only received 1 bungi post today......lowest number I have ever received since signing on. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass