From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 03:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:43:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:42:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.114256.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 00:43:49 EST, you write: << question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass web pages? question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? >> Jeremy: I missed Howard Rubin's web page in the list I sent you. He is THE Tiffany Lamp expert. Don't miss his page at http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 06:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980201090539.00733274@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply >companies? Don't forget about Franklin Art Glass in your own backyard! They are a full scale retailer as well as wholesaler and will ship within a days time to places in Ohio. They are located in German Village in Columbus and their 800# is 1-800-848-7683. I have had nothing but courteous service in the 12 years I have been dealing with them. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 08:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:02:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.6056.0> References: <<1998Jan31.195330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > > first off Thank You to all who responded to my question about shipping > glass. i have not decided how i am going to get it here, but someday i > will. question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass > web pages? > > question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply > companies? > > thank you for your help, of the seven mailing lists i belong to for > other hobbies this one is by far the most curteous(sp.) and helpful. > keep up the good work . > > -- > Jeremy W. Hopkins > KC8GWH > http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ > 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass not to toot my own horn, but you can go to my page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 also my links page will answer your second question. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 08:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 11:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199802011654.LAA27920@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Sent: 2/1/98 11:52 AM To: glass bungi line, glass@bungi.com Jeremy Hopkins wrote: >question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass >web pages? www.aiap.com/amazon (Int'l Guild of Glass Artists, Inc.) www.artglassworld.com www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm (books, magazines) www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm www.bungi.com/glass/patterns www.dodgestudio.com www.geocites.com/paris/1141/links.htm www.glasscrafters.com www.glasspaterns.com www.hotglass.com/links.html www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/dilhtm www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html www.rec.crafts.glass www.spectrumglass.com www.stainedglassbiz.com www.stainedglasswarehouse.com/ www.summitstudio.com www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguri www.voyager.net/delphiglass www.warner-criv.too >question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? Warner Crivellaro, last on above list! Enjoy, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 09:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:11:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:09:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.4951.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Dipping the soldering iron in most any flux is a good way to clean >the tip but generates a lot of undesirable fumes. A word of caution- > Most of our students who have tried to clean the soldering tips by dipping then in flux have ended up buying new tips! The tips are generally plated with iron (i think) the flux will eventually eat through the iron then bye bye tip. We just use a damp sponge or if it really gets cruddy and needs re-tinned we rub it on a sal-ammoniac block. Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 09:18:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:17:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.41638.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Jeremy Hopkins wrote: >> >> Hello I'm new to this list. My grandfather just gave me all of his >> stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in >> florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need >> to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford >> to drive there and pick it up. >> -- >> Jeremy W. Hopkins >> KC8GWH When we ship we usually take the items to a place called Mailboxes etc. There are probably similar places all over though. They will wrab & box & ship the items for a fee. They do a good job & if it does get broken they take care of it. Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio Paul KB8PZQ 147.285 MHZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 10:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:50:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.185012.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 12:18:39 EST, you write: << When we ship we usually take the items to a place called Mailboxes etc >> The ones around here ship UPS. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 11:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: qdnet.pl!witraze From: "Tomasz Bielinski" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:37:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.203741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, I happy to inform you that our new, improved homepage is now under new address : htpp://www.polbox.com/w/witraze/ The site is about stained and architectural glass.The new page has many pictures of glass works (leaded and fused) and will be updated as often as new interesting works will be executed. Thank you for updating the link to our site, best regards Tomasz ========================================== Tomasz Bielinski - WITRAZE s.c. STAINED & ARCHITECTURAL GLASS e-mail: witraze@qdnet.pl http://www.polbox.com/w/witraze Visit our HOMEPAGE tel/fax: 48 (22) 872-04-17 ============================================= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 12:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980201154157.37a77878@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kitchen (or cellulose) sponges are made from wood fiber. Cellulose also contains a property that will inherently "bind" when broken down through heat application. When this happens "gunk" will stick to your soldering iron tip. At 05:09 AM 1/31/98 EST, you wrote: >I need to ask why not a kitchen sponge? Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 14:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:14:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.221430.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 11:03:57 EST, morn@nac.net writes: << not to toot my own horn, but you can go to my page >> Mike , who would ever accuse you of "TOOTING" your own horn???LOL.Not I that's for sure. Your web page has been quite helpful,thanks....Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 14:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Dozens of glass workshops Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Coming up in the near future are dozens of workshops throughout the U.S. and elsewhere ... we just added a bunch of them to the "Events" button at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ Check 'em out! One of them might be just what you need ... We also heard from Howard Shaw at James Hetley & Co., Ltd in London ... and have added their new web site to their listings in the online Sources Guide. Hetley's now included in a wider range of supply categories, too ... we didn't know! But now their listings are up to date. Be sure to check out their web site at http://www.hetleys.co.uk/ ... it's one of the nicest, cleanest designs we've seen in the glass world ... and packed with great information and images of glass, too. Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 15:25:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass list'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2E50.F5D54CA0" Subject: Rescrible Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.9226.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2E50.F5D54CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, Please add me back to your list. 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I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the glass..... I am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a thin solder line may not be strong enough.... Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black patina on the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... thanks ahead of time. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199802020327.WAA05716@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all >clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. > >Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black >backed is 3/16". > It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, >lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I >do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to >bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. Barbara, your 3/16" foil might be too narrow, especially for the ripple. You can mix foils; probably some 7/32" would be a good idea for the thicker glass. Also, my understanding of reinforcing is that it should run from edge to edge. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:42:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.114352.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Barbara....usually 7/32 foil is used. For the ripples, for certain! if the glass is opalescent you do not need black back as the inside of the foil will not show. for chip and pastel cathedrals most CERTAINLY black back weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.17553.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Barbara, I would use a wider foil. Take a few pieces of scrape with you and = ask for some assistance from your supplier, at least you will have the = pcs. of glass with you to compare to the foil. This is my 2 cents. Tim Byrnes QM STAINED GLASS STUDIO ---------- From: Barbara[SMTP:bjs10@cornell.edu] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 1998 4:45 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Foil Width Good Evening Group... I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is = all clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. =20 Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is = black backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the = glass..... I am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a = thin solder line may not be strong enough.... Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of = glass, lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. = I do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top = to bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside = edge. I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black = patina on the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... thanks ahead of time. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 21:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:05:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:02:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 14:40:13 EST, you write: << htpp://www.polbox.com/w/witraze/ >> Hi All, Actually, I tried to copy and paste this and it wouldn't go in because it should be "http", not "htpp" so if you update your links, don't just paste this one! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 03:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CraftSite From: CraftSite@aol.com To: CraftWeb@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:34:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.103432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Fellow Crafters! If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a one-time message and will not be repeated. We are seeking to ally with artists and handicrafters who are interested in having their works or handicraft specialties marketed and promoted on a strictly commission basis. We market and sell to numerous wholesale and retail outlets throughout the Northwest U.S. We also have an extensive web site where we will construct and provide you a free web page and hosting for your items. We can also provide you with the capability of accepting credit cards for your goods on our secured server if you do not currently accept credit cards as your fulfillment center. If this is of interest to you and you would like to know more about our service, just send us an e-mail or feel free to view one of our mirror sites located at: http://members.aol.com/CraftSite/crafts.htm Thank you for your time and Best Wishes for Your Success! Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:12:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CraftSite From: CraftSite@aol.com To: CraftWeb@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:13:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.101326.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Fellow Crafters! If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a one-time message and will not be repeated. We are seeking to ally with artists and handicrafters who are interested in having their works or handicraft specialties marketed and promoted on a strictly commission basis. We market and sell to numerous wholesale and retail outlets throughout the Northwest U.S. We also have an extensive web site where we will construct and provide you a free web page and hosting for your items. We can also provide you with the capability of accepting credit cards for your goods on our secured server if you do not currently accept credit cards as your fulfillment center. If this is of interest to you and you would like to know more about our service, just send us an e-mail or feel free to view one of our mirror sites located at: http://members.aol.com/CraftSite/crafts.htm Thank you for your time and Best Wishes for Your Success! Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:53:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a > one-time message and will not be repeated. Not quite. This is the third one this morning. I looked at your site, then got a message that I hadn't looked at it yet. ( ? ) Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:46:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:46:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980202075143.323f3c40@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks all for you tips re: foil width.... The glass is clear not opalescent so I am going to my supplier today for the foil....... At 07:43 PM 2/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, Barbara....usually 7/32 foil is used. For the ripples, for certain! > >if the glass is opalescent you do not need black back as the inside of the >foil will not show. >for chip and pastel cathedrals most CERTAINLY black back > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:46:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:46:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980202075141.323fa16e@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gee Thanks Suzanne, That makes a lot more sense. >Also, my understanding of reinforcing is that it should run from edge to >edge. > >Suzanne > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 05:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:20:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: foil width Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980202081820.00731888@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I know this is too late for the problem that was being questioned, but I just wanted to get my two cents in. I use 3/16" foil exclusively in all my work because I like the delicate solder line. I do reinforce as necessary, but I don't think that you have to use 7/32" in all cases. I have to admit that on ripple glass 7/32" might work better, but it totally depends on the thickness of the ripple. When I did the Indian Chief with the ripple in the feathers, 7/32" was way too much for places where the glass was a little thinner than the other places. And in a piece 14" x 19", I don't think it really matters that much. It is not a big heavy piece that is going to be weighed down by lots of glass and solder. I would have gone ahead with the 3/16" foil and on the ripple, just used it twice in places that were necessary. IMHO Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 06:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:27:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.42248.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. Susan Shoestring Shipyard www.shoestringshipyard.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 06:33:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alweis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Glass Beadmakers' Gathering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just posted in MAY under "Events" on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ ... don't miss it if you're interested in glass bead making: May 7-10, 1998 Beadmakers: "Echoes of Ancient Glass" The Society of Glass Beadmakers' Sixth Annual Gathering, "Echoes of Ancient Glass," is slated for Corning New York and includes pre- and post-conference glass beadmaking workshops, problem-solving seminar, pre-conference designing and business workshops, handmade glass bead bazaar, lectures, commercial vendors, demonstrations, open-torch. Related events: Society of Glass Beadmakers Bead Bazaar (Radisson Hotel, Saturday May 9, 1998 - 10am-6pm, admission free); Handmade Glass Beads Silent Aution (at the Bead Bazaar, Radisson Hotel, May 9, 1998 - 10am-5pm); Contemporary Art Glass Jewelry and Bead Show (Rockwell Museum, May 1 to June 28; Reception, May 8, 5:30pm); "Echoes of Ancient Glass" All Members Glass Bead Show (Radisson Hotel, May 1 to May 31); Big Bead Bash, Sculptural Glass Bead Show (at Whitehouse Books, May 1 to June 7, Reception, May 9, 7 pm); Handmade Glass Bead Designer Showcase (at Fibers and Fantasy, May 2-June 7, reception May 9, 6 pm). To attend the conference, you must be a member of the Society of Glass Beadmakers; you may join at the time you sign up for the conference. For a complete conference packet, contact: Carol Bugarin, 33 Sleeper Street #107, Boston MA 02210. Phone: (617) 542-0422. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802021501.KAA12893@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge wrote, >Hello, Fellow Crafters! > >If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a >one-time message and will not be repeated. > very polite but............more than one time here also. And I was wondering why someone looking for handcrafted items would call themselves the Manufacturer's Edge? Doesn't that mean something other than creating? Think webster says "produce mechanically".. And we all know what mechanically means! They even sell beanie babies! Just a Monday morning thought. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:11:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5105.0> References: <<2.2.16.19980201215038.37d7bd68@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Good Evening Group... > I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all > clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. > > Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black > backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the > foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the glass..... I > am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a thin > solder line may not be strong enough.... > Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? > It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, > lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I > do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to > bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. > I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black patina on > the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... > thanks ahead of time. > Barbara Snell > Cornell University > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass thin solder lines can be ok with zinc came going around the border. and since it has some inside curves it can be strong enough. you may want to use 7/32 or 1/4" foil, for the ripples or thicker glass otherwise it will be way to thin. also consider the gap factor. the pieces may not line up perfectly, though even with that said the thin foil could still pull away. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5132.0> References: <<1998Feb1.114352.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 new links. 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the new pictures are much larger to look at. and i also have my updated shop pictures. the shop pictures are larger and clearer, and there is a better description of the shop. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Last new workshop today Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ... promise! This'll be the last note today ... but this workshop was just posted to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and we thought it was a really interesting way to arrange things. It's under "Events" and "April": April 18-19, 1998 Self-taught Workshop with Volunteer Instructors Bring your own glass and tools. Come and do beads, marbles, and lampworking for the weekend. You don't have to teach, you can just come and hang out and learn a bunch. We do need a few volunteers to show things you have learned in other workshops and to share your knowledge with those of us who would love to see your demos. It you need glasses and limited tools, we have them here. We'll supply the place, the fuels and the burners. You'll do the rest. We've got 12 spots for torches. We need ideas for what you want to see. We'll let you know more about what and who will be demo-ing when we hear who is going to be there (you need to let us know.) Sounds like fun! $40.00 fee. Enrollments are limited. Reservations are required and the earlier, the better. A Touch Of Glass, 421 Haywood Road, Ashville NC 28806. Phone: (704) 258-2749. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: Scott Adams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: foil width Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:02:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.9235.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980202081820.00731888@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Exotic Edibles of Edgewood Precedence: bulk I have found that using the 7/32" on thick and ripple produces an uneven line, myself, but I want the seurity of the thick foil, so where the foil looks too thick, I just trim it with an exeacto blade. Gives me control over the wdth of my solder line on irregular thickness glass. glasschic wrote: > > I know this is too late for the problem that was being questioned, but I > just wanted to get my two cents in. I use 3/16" foil exclusively in all my > work because I like the delicate solder line. I do reinforce as necessary, > but I don't think that you have to use 7/32" in all cases. I have to admit > that on ripple glass 7/32" might work better, but it totally depends on the > thickness of the ripple. When I did the Indian Chief with the ripple in > the feathers, 7/32" was way too much for places where the glass was a > little thinner than the other places. And in a piece 14" x 19", I don't > think it really matters that much. It is not a big heavy piece that is > going to be weighed down by lots of glass and solder. I would have gone > ahead with the 3/16" foil and on the ripple, just used it twice in places > that were necessary. > > IMHO > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:28:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:25:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.162526.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, My local supplier had a great tip about using guides for round designs - he suggested to use the brass round rings made for reinforcing the bottom of round lampshades. They come in a variety of sizes. Also, try using the wooden round rings found in craft stores to hold embroidery. Just a couple of ideas. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.6373.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Every time I visit Mike Savad's pages, I start to think that I should hang up the old soldering iron. The Azure box - WOW I thought the Fish Lamp was complicated. And you have a day job too?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:48:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.15488.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk susie I have found if you just copy and paste everything after http// you will usually be safe at getting site to come up deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:37:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: DEAN.MED.UFL.EDU!cmccall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: (Fwd) Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:20:49 EST5EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine Precedence: bulk When using flux, I pour a small amount into an empty film container. I place this film container into an aerosol can top which has the hole in the center that is perfect for holding the film container upright and in-place. I dip my soldering tip into this occasionally to clean it and therefore don't neutralize the entire bottle of flux. It works great for me. When you are ready to put your flux away for the next session of soldering, just put the film container top onto the film container and it's safe from accidental spills... Candice McCall Gainesville, Florida ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:41:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:40:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.13944.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just wanted to thank you, Howard, for your info. on identifying Tiffany Lamps. I'll try to scan a picture of it and see if it helps. I am most interested to find out some background on the lamp and shade. It has no residue from foil so that's one plus. The only thing I could find was a small soldered loop on the bottom row of the shade. Any help? Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:50:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.25043.0> References: <<1998Jan28.15022.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi All! I am contemplating the purchase of a new soldering iron, and am specifically looking at the "Inland Autofeed Soldering Iron". Have any of you purchased this yet? I think it looks good for foiling work, but am unsure about lead. Other than that, I am wondering about an inexpensive good soldering iron. TIA! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:59:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:57:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.15636.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Your idea was great Candice, on cleaning soldering tips. I have used everything from sal ammoniac to sponges(which, because of rusting, I have replaced more iron holders than I care to remember). The best little product I have found is a Hakko Tip Cleaner. It is a little container with some brass wool coated with flux. It's a great and I won't even have a sponge anymore. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 09:42:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:40:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: puttying Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:03:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.3345.0> References: <<1998Jan28.8126.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi! Me again, another question regarding puttying. Is it neccesary to putty a window if its not going to be exposed to the elements? Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 12:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <9802028864.AA886442456@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where did you purchase this at? Cost? Sue _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: cleaning soldering tips From: at internet-mail Date: 2/2/98 9:56 AM Your idea was great Candice, on cleaning soldering tips. I have used everything from sal ammoniac to sponges(which, because of rusting, I have replaced more iron holders than I care to remember). The best little product I have found is a Hakko Tip Cleaner. It is a little container with some brass wool coated with flux. It's a great and I won't even have a sponge anymore. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Inland Autofeed Iron Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980202132448.00736444@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have found the Inland Autofeed soldering Iron good for is spot soldering lampshades. It is much too slow for soldering panels and the angled tip isn't easy to work with if you are used to the straight one. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio At 10:50 AM 2/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi All! > I am contemplating the purchase of a new soldering iron, >and am specifically looking at the "Inland Autofeed Soldering Iron". >Have any of you purchased this yet? I think it looks good for foiling >work, but am unsure about lead. Other than that, I am wondering about >an inexpensive good soldering iron. TIA! > >Laurean >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183413.0> References: <<1998Feb2.42248.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb2.42248.0@?>, Susan Jordan Bennett writes >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. > >Susan Susan, I use a large (in relation to the panel) piece of 2mm or 3 mm (single or double strength, I guess you would call it) glass. I cut it to the outside of the perimeter line, place it and secure it into place with bits of scrap lead came and horseshoe nails at the two corners and near the end of the curves. I normally only cut a third of a circle when doing this, so most often I require two of these. It works both with leaded and copperfoiled panels (for me of course!) steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:53:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: puttying Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.184158.0> References: <<1998Feb2.3345.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb2.3345.0@?>, Laurean writes >Hi! > Me again, another question regarding puttying. Is it >neccesary to putty a window if its not going to be exposed to the >elements? > Laurean, It keeps the glass from rattling for one thing. It makes the whole window more rigid. It keeps you from seeing the edges of the glass within the came. Probably lots of other things too! :-) Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 11:25:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 14:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board for my 11 year old son. Any advice on types of glass, square sizes, color combinations, foil thicknesses, soldering, etc that anyone has would be welcome. I tried a sample one of 3/4" squares last night and other than cutting up my thumb, it came out okay. Haven't foiled and soldered it yet though. Did it in a tealish/white marble and solid cream colors. Thanks, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:10:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 3x within 3 hours? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10024.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Albert- Hope your message got to someone besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb2.41130.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too just got a Hakko tip cleaner and it seems to be working out much better than the sponge I was using. I don't have to wait for my iron to reheat. Keep Cutting Sheila OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.205011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with to store those odd items. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:54:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Directions to W-C Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:47:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.204727.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you are a landmark person - the following may help: - For Airport Road North - I only saw one small sign actually saying this and can be easily missed if you are in the left lane....look for 987N which is the same as Airport Road North....3rd light is Weaversville Road - at that light is also an AM/PM MiniMarket - that landmark may be helpful too. Margaret Spicer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:26:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.212652.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 00:43:49 EST, you write: Jeremy asked: << question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? >> I recently received a delphi catalog - although many in the business describe Warner-Crivello (sp?) as far as their prices go - "prices are good for retail customer; not so good for wholesale customer". (My regular glass supplier does wish W-C would not sell retail...). Delphi vs. W-C: W-C prices for tools & supplies are better. Not sure on glass prices since it is too far a drive for me for a few hobby-sized sheets. Margaret Spicer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nettally.com!sford From: sford@nettally.com (Steven Ford) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribtion Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.112849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please change my address from sford@nettally.com to vford@nettally.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:42:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:00:59 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.0059.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If I'm remembering correctly, Diane, the suggestion for the Kleenex box was to stash small glass scraps in it. Once I read the suggestion I stopped throwing away those teeney little bits of glass and now toss them into the Kleenex box on my workbench. One of these days I'll put them into a rock tumbler and viola' -- beach glass! I'll sift it by size and use the larger pieces in a clear vase for forcing bulbs, etc. The smaller pieces I'll put into a pretty holder and add a little fragrance oil. Unfortunately, no ingenious ideas to add to the pot here. I just use the regular stackable, plastic storage boxes for scraps, as well as all the other paraphernalia, empty wrapping paper tubes for large patterns, ziplocks for foil, etc. But, I'm sure I'll learn something new from those brilliant suggestions we can always count on from this group! Actually, this brings a question to mind... I store my 6' strips of lead by bending a small hook over on the end and hanging them from a large nail in the wall. I use this storage method for both stretched and unstretched lead. Am I doing any damage to the lead by not storing it flat? Dawn > what creative storage ideas have you come up with? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:47:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:05:40 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.0540.0> References: <<1998Feb2.183413.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk When I assemble an oval or circular panel that does not have to fit exactly inside an opening of a window, I don't use a jig to assemble it. I just use horseshoe nails around the pieces to hold it all in place. Have I missed the boat somewhere, or are there others that do it this way??? Dawn >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a >piece of lead U came > Do any of you use a different product to hold your round designs >together as you work on them? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:43:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.21436.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 10:15:43 EST, Mike Savad wrote: << ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 new links. 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the new pictures are much larger to look at. >> You already had a nice and informative site prior to the update...do you do anything else besides stained glass? Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net> References: <<199801040441.UAA00361@smtp3.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? Don't answer that last one! In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:05:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'll bite on this one! I use those square plastic freezer boxes to store things like marbles, blobs, eye hooks, open foil rolls and any other little things. They come in various sizes, they stack well, they are cheap and sturdy, you can write on them, you can sorta see through them. I save the spools solder comes on, tie three or so together with copper wire or vinyl tape and use them to hold my paint brushes, glass cutters and pens in. I store my pattern pieces and cartoons in large ziplock baggies. I also use ziplock baggies to make up project packages when I'm doing crafts classes. (pre-cut glass, cartoon, foil) I use shot glasses to pour small amounts of chemicals in while working. You an find sets of 4 shot glasses at those "everything a dollar" stores, at least in the Southern USA. Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:27:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.122536.0> References: <<1998Feb2.6373.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carl Childers wrote: > > Every time I visit Mike Savad's pages, I start to think that I should > hang up the old soldering iron. The Azure box - WOW I thought the Fish > Lamp was complicated. > And you have a day job too?? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:31:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.03111.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Very creative, Don. But..... > Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... You must not have a cat or you would have an answer for that one! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:33:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.123130.0> References: <<9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board > for my 11 year old son. Any advice on types of glass, square sizes, color > combinations, foil thicknesses, soldering, etc that anyone has would be welcome. > > I tried a sample one of 3/4" squares last night and other than cutting up my > thumb, it came out okay. Haven't foiled and soldered it yet though. Did it in a > tealish/white marble and solid cream colors. > > Thanks, > > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i made up a chess board on my project page. the squares are 1-1/2" wide, i used a 1" strip of glass as a border. then made another 1" border to make it 3-d, i believe i also put a support underneath, so it does'nt sink in the middle. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.123514.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TifStyOrig@aol.com wrote: > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass let's see.... i use thick cardboard tubes (about 6-15" long), to hold my morton strips and misc. tubes. i glue boards with hooks in them on the walls for box chain. i use fishing tackle boxes to hold onto small gems. and i keep magnets around to hold small metal things like pins, and razor blades. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:55:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:54:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.65437.0> References: <<9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board Ask Mike, He has a beautful chess board shown at his site. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:10:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.22573.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 17:07:23 EST, Don wrote: << Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... >> How about keeping a few and use as template/stencil to make a circle in a pattern? Diane :>) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.131740.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe it's a little of both... :) make has been coming in pretty well. today i must have gotten over 60 pieces. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:20:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.132054.0> References: <<1998Feb2.21436.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-02 10:15:43 EST, Mike Savad wrote: > > << ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 > new links. > 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the > new pictures are much larger to look at. >> > > You already had a nice and informative site prior to the update...do you do > anything else besides stained glass? > > Margaret > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i can do other things. but in general, i do SG. if i had the equipment and the time i could do fine furniture work, or maybe fusing. in general i've always believed that a page online should have some value, and information. and not anything about my spam collection or what my cat had for breakfast. besides there's plenty of those pages... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Actually, I do have a cat, she just looks at them and goes off to find something noisier, more expensive and breakable. > You must not have a cat or you would have an answer for that one! Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:37:42 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202173742.007daa60@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 04:00 PM 2/2/98 PST, you wrote: >If I'm remembering correctly, Diane, the suggestion for the Kleenex >box was to stash small glass scraps in it. Yep, that's correct, I use those for the small pieces of glass that "some day I'll use to make mosaics" - LOL I've got them sorted more-or-less by colors, blues, greens, reds, pinks, white/clear, misc. The itty-bitty-bitty pieces that are even too small for that are now thrown into a jar on the workbench - used to throw them away, but I've started keeping them for who-knows-what use, esp. after Elisabeth or is it Elizabeth (whichever spelling has Toby, sorry, can't remember now which is which!) mentioned selling them to potters to use for glaze. I also saw something in a catalog the other day, a clear plastic picture frame that you can put objects in - I thought of getting one and putting all those glass scraps in it - could make an interesting frame! I use stackable drawers for bigger glass scraps, jewels, pressed flowers, filigrees, bevels, unopen foil, spare solder, suction cups, etc. etc. etc., and with the bigger drawers I use small containers of all kinds inside to keep like stuff together. The drawers are labelled with what's inside, and they're easier to me than using boxes which require lids to be taken off and put back on. Right now I just keep the came in the box it comes in from the mail order suppliers so that it stays straight, and lean it up against a corner by my workbench. Currently-used foil resides in those plastic foil dispensers, black-back in one and silver-back in a separate one; those dispensers plus currently-in-use flux, solder, cleaner, wax and the like go on a shelf above my workbench. Other misc. supplies go in the space underneath my workbench. I use upright metal file folder holders from the office supply for sheet glass of roughly 12" x 18" or less (sorted by colors), and larger sheets right now are just on the floor leaning against a shelf unit. I don't buy a lot of large sheets since I do smaller gift-market type items and don't need huge sheets of uncut glass. I keep most of my patterns and pattern pieces in vinyl holders in a notebook; for those patterns that are larger than the notebook, I keep them in a separate compartment of the file folder holders that hold the glass. All magazines and patterns books are in plastic magazine holder boxes. Well, enuff from me. I don't use anything really fancy, but I can pretty much put my hands on whatever I want because I know where it is. I've found that I pretty much have to keep everything put away because I don't have enough surface space left to leave it laying around! Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.8155.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I went to Staple and they have a large free standing metal letter holder. It cost $4.95 and it holdsup to 20) 1'X2' pieces of glass great. Half the price for the same thing you get at the glass supply(that is if you pay retail) places. I use plastic crates to hold my 1'X1' pieces of glass. You can get them on sale at wal-mart for $1.98 and they are great for holding all the blues and the reds and the greens etc. etc. My mother found me an artist utility holder(at a garage sale, she paid 50 cents for it), it is a double decker round twirly thing and it holds my tools, just great. Takes up square foot of space. I can hear it now, "How does a round thing take up a square". When I need temporary extra table surface, I just put up a card table. I also have a halogen lamp over my work surface and the base of the lamp is a desk caddy, which holds my stained glass tools. The scotch tape come in handy, great place for glue, flux brushes and marking pens and exacto knife. I bought a children clothes closet at wal-mart. The kind that has a closet on one side and 3 draws and three sleves on the other side and this is all one unit. It was made out of press board. I put shelves where the clothes were suppose to go. Put scrap glass in the drawers after I put dividers in the drawers(so I could keep all the colors separted(I know I am anal)). Then in the open shelves I kept supplies and works finished or in progress. Kept eveything in a neat combined,small space. Only one problem. The compressed wood could not hold the weight. The whole thing sagged in the middle, the bottom fell out of the drawers. Then you couldn't close the drawers or the door to the closet part. Now it takes up much needed space and holds very little. But it was a good idea! I know it can be braced, just haven't got around to it. I also use one of those little plastic tables(at wal-mart again), the kind you buy flat and then just stick the legs into the bottom of the table top. I put it near my work space and it gives me a second level. I originally put it there, so the cat could watch what I am doing without having to sit on what I am doing. But the cat soon got shoved away for the space it provided. Fred Meyers is selling a black, pueudowrought iron quilt stand for $35 right now. The sides are shaped like an S and it has four cross bars. Perfect for displaying or storing suncatchers. It is not extremely strong so balance will play a major role in using this. I am going to use it in my next show to display humming bird castings. Oak quilt stands make a nice display also. And if you are into making stepping stones, freddy's also sells plant stands, encased in white, green and black, plastic that make great stepping stone tables. They start at $14.95(10"surface,16" off the ground) to $45(connected triple 10" surfaces that fold into one another for storage). I think there are four sizes and/or shapes. I personnaly think they are great with the deck chairs. They add color and decor to your deck and can hold a single drink. If you do craft shows, you always need a fix-it box or a something to do box. I use a plastic under the bed, with a lid, storage box. I think they are still on sale this time of year. Stackable rubbermaid type boxes with lids are great for carting glass projects in. Put foam on the bottom and walls. Don't pack near the top, use plastic bubble wrap between projects and they travel, pack and unpact with ease. To display my 14" round stepping stones, I make a sandwich board. Cut a 4'X8' peices of plywood in half. Reinforce the back. Each side holds 9 stepping stones. Place 1/2 dowels to hold the stones. Before you put the dowels in, figure out placement and reinforce that area with 1"X2" and drill holes all the way through plywood and reinforcement. Then glue the dowel in place. The dowel should be 4" long. Leave the sides sparated. It is much lighter to carry around that way. Buy long bolts and just bolt sandwich board together at top. The slight angle of the sandwich board and gravity keeps the stones in place. My only problem with this at shows is keeping the kids out of the center. And that is easy to do. Drape the whole thing in material(just cut a hole in the material where the dowel needs to go through, the stones hide this and therefore it is not unslightly) and let the material drape over the ends. Then you can keep the kids out and you have a place to hide all your packing materials. I found the neatest thing to tie down this sandwich board on top to the car. Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down than a rope. They are in the automotive/sports section at Wal-Mart. They are 5 times more expensive than rope. So they do constitute an investment, even at Wal-Mart! I have proof-read this, but I always miss something. So pardon my mistakes. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:28:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:33:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for what is often small gain. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:29:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.02920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down >> If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:39:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- You shouldn't stand your came boxes upright- leave them lying flat. We have metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the boxes the same way you would use a shelf on the brackets. Keeps the boxes out of the way, flat, accessible, and labels clearly visible. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:51:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125721.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Yeah Mike, how 'bout it? Shirley Grapeland, Tx. BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030051.TAA17989@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two pushpins. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.145117.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > what is often small gain. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202191144.007f0d00@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.143814.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>You shouldn't stand your came boxes >upright- leave them lying flat. Thanks, Dani! I had wondered about that....and Dawn, I think you asked the same question, too. One other question, I guess - WHY should they be flat and not upright? (Sorry, I have a hard time doing something without a good reason! LOL) Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:14:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:02:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.9246.0> References: <<1998Feb2.143814.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Steph- > > You shouldn't stand your came boxes > upright- leave them lying flat. My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention to how he attached it to the wall though. Dave you want to take it from here? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:59:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.85928.0> References: <<1998Feb3.02920.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. No the strap is very sturdy, like a strap on a duffle bag. The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just like you would jack up a car. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:29:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:21:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.12136.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:43:27 EST, you write: << I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so .. >> Saturday had some but not the usual quantity and Sunday had even less. Monday was wonderful though....lots of postings. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:27:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.12745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 20:06:53 EST, you write: << hough other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. >> MAYBE that is the only one in England that they have available where they have to pay by the minute. Mike, no one is asking you to stop participating, just snip and cut. A little consideration is all that is being ask of you....is that really asking too much? Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wow Shirley! Your essay on storage and show displays was great! I am very impressed. I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:50:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:47:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.154751.0> References: <<1998Feb2.9246.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Michael J. Greer wrote: > > > > Hi Steph- > > > > You shouldn't stand your came boxes > > upright- leave them lying flat. > > My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention > to how he attached it to the wall though. > Dave you want to take it from here? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my guess would be that it's attached with gutter spikes. the older gutters used these giant spikes. the newer ons hang on with straps... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:54:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030051.TAA17989@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two pushpins. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warwick.net!u1011375 From: Phil/Terri Fabiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Creative Storage Ideas Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:53:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125336.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use one of those plastic boxes that has a ton of little drawers in it to hold my colored nuggets, castings, chain, jump rings, push pins for the Morton, etc. Terri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.145117.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > what is often small gain. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:22:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16829@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani! Thank you! Will contact you off-group... Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. Totally disaccossiated from my Godson, had several e-mails from Architects etc in Turkey and elsewhere in the Muslim world last couple of weeks. Like I always wanted to try my hand at Celtic designs, I also want to try my hand at some of the Mulsim geometric designs (although I will probably curse every single cut). Sinan (my Godson) and I went to see the film "The Titanic" the other day. The visual effects were stunning; tomorrow he will be visiting the BBC, have a balloon ride over London, visiting the London Transport Museum and finish the evening by going to watch the musical "Starlight Express". His little (leaded) stained glass project is REALLY beginning to take shape and I am really quite proud of him! It's freezing here. Got to run, I have a dead-line of 10 days to deliver 1 of 2 panels. Will be in touch off-group! Thanks for your patience. Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202185022.24df7832@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Diane, I have all sorts of styrofoam containers recycled from the vets.... The ones from large glucose bottles (6-8 large round holes i a square box) I use for seperating by color my glass nuggets... they stack well too. There are some little rectangular ones... I am not sure what came in them, that I keep my glass marking pens in (the kind you write on computor disks with) which need to be stored flat, along with an aluminum exacto blade handle that I use to smooth foil down with, etc. I use the cardboard boxes that my husband gets duplicate slides in to store all sorts of things.... I made a hole in a can and hung it on the peg board for pens and pencils which can be stored vertically....etc..... Anything that comes to hand, has a use if one can just think of it. I cut my own garden labels out of plastic gallon jugs (oops not glass) slap... Meg At 03:50 PM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a= good >container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > >In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to >this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > >Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for= storing >glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square= kleenex >boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > >Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift= studio >in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn= about >here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up= with >to store those odd items. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >Delray Beach, FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tour of English Stained Glass ... reduced! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16854@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The British Pound Sterling is pretty strong at the moment. It currently stands at about 1.73/4 US Dollars to the Pound, which still makes the cost of this trip extraordinarily expensive at approx. UK Sterling 2,240. For that price I would expect accommodation at the Claridges' Hotel. At prices like this, it would seem that the accommodation is more important than the content/purpose of the trip.And it lasts for 8 (eight) days - including arrival/departure days, which tend to be "dead" days anyhow. (So in effect 6 days....?). I have said this before. It's fine, if you have got money to burn. I just don't want anyone Across the Pond to think that this is a kind of a MINIMUM budget to give value for money. It isn't.(In UK this represents almost 3 months " middle average" salary. A lot of people earn perhaps UK Pounds 400 - 500 per month - just so that you get the perspective). I just would not like to think that anyone from Across the Pond, wishing to visit this little Island to get the impression that to see, experience, hearing about, learning about stained glass in UK requires this kind of budget. A lot of these high-light programmes/lectures/talks you listed in UK Albert, are free or at a quite nominal cost (even more so if in a group). . I myself have attended a number of them. That's All ..... "Starvers" and serious students of stained glass in UK, please do not be deterred or feel despondent. Julie Sloan will just adore me...! :-( Elisabeth in UK (steps off soap-box and wishes Julie the greatest of success!) Sorry , .....Toby sleeps! Not to be disturbed! Albert wrote: We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: $3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need to come up with only $3,480.) Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass: An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church." Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United States. Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ... and a member of The Art Workers Guild. Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained Glass." Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at Ely Cathedral. Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William Morris. and Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and the work of the Pre-Raphaelites. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/ and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you won't want to miss. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.24558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have different from the already listed ideas is an expandable portfolio for my patterns. I file them alphabetically, and number them as well since I have about 8 angel patterns. I keep the cut up pieces in a regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. For the patterns that don't have names I label them Flat 1, etc, Oval flower 1, etc. This way when I want a pattern I know exactly where to look. I won't take credit for this idea though, my partner was sick of seeing patterns laying all over the house and bought it for me for Christmas. Also the Dollar Store has all kinds of great clear boxes with compartments to sort smaller scraps of glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:49:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hope your message got to someone > besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Yeah, I noticed that flub on my part. Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:51:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No Idea about the loop. An oddysey catalog or worden catalog may show a like image. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:13:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.131353.0> References: <<1998Feb2.85928.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the > other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just > like you would jack up a car. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe these are called tie down straps, and are used to strap down things say on semi's or flatbeds. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 22:21:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030319.WAA27459@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into >your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to >keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I >worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? (Disclaimer: I can speak only for myself and my two cats!) They have had free roam of the studio from the get-go. Not one accident in over ten years. No glass in paws, etc. I do watch they don't flick their tails on my fluxed work and I try to keep them at bay when soldering (have read that fumes can settle on their fur then they lick it off). They are healthy, happy cats and most times just like to perch on a counter and watch me. Also they love to bite and chew at the copper foil backing as it rolls out of the foiler, and sit under the gooseneck lamp soaking up the warmth. Some of my students aren't happy with cats so in those cases I put them in another room; much to their dismay. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:31:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.113116.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Am I > worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > > Sarah I can only speak for my 7 cats. They go where they want when they want. So far have been very lucky. No cuts. and I have glass everywhere. The only time I intervene is if they are settling in the concrete or sniffing in the flux or about to pounce on the soldering iron. Otherwise they are content to be curled up as long as they can be close. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:58:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:41:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.34115.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I got a ?? about leadfree solder!!Can it be used in stained glass projects,such as panels? And besides it being leadfree is there any other difference in it,than the solder I'm using now?? (60-40) Thanks,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:06:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:05:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030405.UAA21196@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here's some information on chess boards that may be of some help. Choose your men first, then make the board. The diameter of the base of the largest piece (the king) should be about three-quarters the width of the square. The standard size of a square on a board is 2 inches. Squares that are to small may make it difficult to grasp the pieces. If the board is to large, you may have to stretch when playing. Also consider colors other than black and white which may be tiring on the eyes. Possibly brown, or green, with cream. If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. P-K4 Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202185022.24df7832@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Diane, I have all sorts of styrofoam containers recycled from the vets.... The ones from large glucose bottles (6-8 large round holes i a square box) I use for seperating by color my glass nuggets... they stack well too. There are some little rectangular ones... I am not sure what came in them, that I keep my glass marking pens in (the kind you write on computor disks with) which need to be stored flat, along with an aluminum exacto blade handle that I use to smooth foil down with, etc. I use the cardboard boxes that my husband gets duplicate slides in to store all sorts of things.... I made a hole in a can and hung it on the peg board for pens and pencils which can be stored vertically....etc..... Anything that comes to hand, has a use if one can just think of it. I cut my own garden labels out of plastic gallon jugs (oops not glass) slap... Meg At 03:50 PM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a= good >container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > >In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to >this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > >Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for= storing >glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square= kleenex >boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > >Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift= studio >in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn= about >here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up= with >to store those odd items. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >Delray Beach, FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:13:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030413.XAA11804@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Some of my students aren't happy with cats so in those cases I put them in another room; much to their dismay. Suzanne Good for you Suzanne! People that do not like cats belong in another room.;) My Freeway has been a studio cat for ten years. He has never cut himself, broken a piece of glass and does not seem to be suffering from lead poisoning. He often sleeps on my workbenches and licks his coat like any cat. The record will show that I am concerned about lead and other studio hazards but my cat's experience does not seem to bear the problem out. I say get a cat at all costs. Bob Ps: Digger does not have any problems although he has broken glass that was in the way. He is a 5.5 year old German Shepherd. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:38:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183625.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert writes: "Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that?" Ah, but it makes you all the more = human, Albert. At least you didn't = ask to be removed. Can you the imagine the onslaught of mail?! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:37:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183642.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- The less tightly packed the lead is in the box, the more it will stretch to the bottom of the box by virtue of gravity and its own weight... pretty soon you'll end up with half the = length of the lead kinked up at the lower section - this is what you're = trying to avoid, but standing the box on end eventually contributes to the problem. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:39:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:26:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.42655.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << also use one of those little plastic tables(at wal-mart again), the kind you buy flat and then just stick the legs into the bottom of the table top. I put it near my work space and it gives me a second level. I originally put it there, so the cat could watch what I am doing without having to sit on what I am doing. But the cat soon got shoved away for the space it provided. >> The Truth Is Out of the bag........from the looks of it, after reading the Bungi Mail it seems that Cats have an affinity for stained glass. I know my cat always comes to supervise and comment on how the work is going..and it seems that she is not alone in her interests. Come to think of it, three glass supply studios that I frequent all have cats. Hmmmmmm...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:44:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah- We have three studio cats who live at the = shop and they're pretty savvy - haven't = had any problems with glass ever although old Miss Agatha had to be rushed into = emergency years ago for spilling a container of turpentine on her front paws, then cleaning herself. Of course, we try to keep things relatively swept and vacuumed for OUR sakes as well. Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:48:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:33:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for what is often small gain. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:48:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.184816.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting posts in duplicate and triplicate again... anyone else? Bob says: "People who do not like cats belong in another room." = Too hysterical, Bob. Michael and I are still laughing ourselves silly!;-0 We, too, have a "pregnant" male cat! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:29:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.02920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down >> If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:04:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cats and glass Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:03:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202230340.00818480@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb3.42655.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Same here.....I've got 5 cats, and at any given time at least 2 of them are uusally in my workroom with me. I do not let them up on the workbench, though...mainly because it's not all that big and I need all the space! They love the windowsills, and I have some boxes on the bottom of a shelf unit that have enough room between the top of the box and the bottom of the above shelf for them to curl up on. Of course, one of them also likes laying on the floor RIGHT behind me, so I'm constantly tripping over her! Steph ~ >The Truth Is Out of the bag........from the looks of it, after reading the >Bungi Mail it seems that Cats have an affinity for stained glass. I know my >cat always comes to supervise and comment on how the work is going..and it >seems that she is not alone in her interests. Come to think of it, three glass >supply studios that I frequent all have cats. Hmmmmmm...... ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:07:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:06:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Storing Came Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:05:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202230540.0081eae0@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.183642.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >The less tightly packed the lead is in the box, the more it will stretch to the bottom of the box by virtue of gravity and its own weight... pretty soon you'll end up with half the length of the lead kinked up at the lower section - this is what you're trying to avoid, but standing the box on end eventually contributes to the problem. Ah....makes sense....perhaps I should have specified I only have zinc came. Is there the same problem with zinc? Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:07:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030507.VAA00279@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >>For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >>of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >>use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >>on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. > >I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two >pushpins. > >Suzanne I have a few templates made out of thin plywood, thick cardboard or whatever I had around at the time e.g. 16 x 20" oval which is a size I use quite often. I then grind the pieces to fit into the frame, then reassemble there after foiling, tack solder, remove the template and finish the piece. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- You shouldn't stand your came boxes upright- leave them lying flat. We have metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the boxes the same way you would use a shelf on the brackets. Keeps the boxes out of the way, flat, accessible, and labels clearly visible. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:55:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.175515.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Thank you, Dani! I've been rebooting everything in sight thinking it was us. Not only am I getting multi-posts, but some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. Dani Greer wrote: > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:15:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:23:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030523.VAA03422@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >>I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into >>your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to >>keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I >>worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > My cat door is in the studio under the main work bench...Mousey is constantly in and out. She's never knocked anything over or injured herself in any way. Like others' cats she's very adept at walking around whatever's on the table, and does like to watch. Mostly she gets upset when I shove the hose for my venting system out through the cat door when I'm soldering...she's either in or out for the duration then. As far as my dog goes, I think she just wishes I'd spend more time at the beach with her than I do in the studio. She's learned to stay well clear whenever I'm moving full sheets or completed panels. It's about the only time she's not underfoot. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:32:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.201041.0> References: <<1998Feb2.42248.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a technique for making irregular layout jigs for any shape panel and it is sort of automatic. I always draw my patterns on poster board. I cut up the poster board into patterns to draw around and mark my glass. If I want a layout jig, I just draw the pattern in the middle of the sheet of poster board, then I cut the shape right out of the center of the poster board while keeping the outline intact. Then I build up patches of masking tape , about 6 layers thick, on the back of the poster board, about every two inches. The masking tape holds the poster board about 1/16 of an inch above the table so that it is deep enough to hold my glass in. It is always a perfect fit too, because it came right from around the actual original pattern! Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:34:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:33:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: my cat deceased Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143434.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too, used to have a shop cat....large warm light table major perch for her. She died of old age at 16+ years. We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice! As for glass in the paws....never noticed any. I sometimes work or walk around in the shop in stocking or bare feet. No chips have my feet picked up yet, major point....do NOT shuffle. Also keep no aids to staunch bleeding in my shop...bleeding is not acceptable! Cuts are not badges of honor. The kitchen is a much more dangerous place than a glass shop! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:43:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:43:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.204225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians, 1. My pegboard is a lifesaver for storage attach hooks in pegboard and hang ziploc bags for small stuff, see thru and easy to find everything. Plus I hang most of my tools when not in use...LOL 2. I attached an old toothbrush holders and hang various small items from there. 3.I ran across a heavy fiberboard small bar with drawers,cupboard and winebottle sections...Grinder sits on top...best thing I ever purchase for $20.00.(Garage Sale) 4.Your local fruit and vegetable market usually has small wooden sided boxes, cardboard on the bottom, ( lettuce and other perishables come in those) that fit small pieces of glass perfectly and usually they are FREE if you ask. 5. Saw horses with plexiglass on top, with a small fluorescence stick light on the floor for coordinating color combinations. 6. I love the ideas about gutters but I have plastic plumbing and put came in there and is placed across garage door hanger hinges at the back. That's all I can think of so far... Jill jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125721.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Yeah Mike, how 'bout it? Shirley Grapeland, Tx. BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16829@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani! Thank you! Will contact you off-group... Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. Totally disaccossiated from my Godson, had several e-mails from Architects etc in Turkey and elsewhere in the Muslim world last couple of weeks. Like I always wanted to try my hand at Celtic designs, I also want to try my hand at some of the Mulsim geometric designs (although I will probably curse every single cut). Sinan (my Godson) and I went to see the film "The Titanic" the other day. The visual effects were stunning; tomorrow he will be visiting the BBC, have a balloon ride over London, visiting the London Transport Museum and finish the evening by going to watch the musical "Starlight Express". His little (leaded) stained glass project is REALLY beginning to take shape and I am really quite proud of him! It's freezing here. Got to run, I have a dead-line of 10 days to deliver 1 of 2 panels. Will be in touch off-group! Thanks for your patience. Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tour of English Stained Glass ... reduced! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16854@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The British Pound Sterling is pretty strong at the moment. It currently stands at about 1.73/4 US Dollars to the Pound, which still makes the cost of this trip extraordinarily expensive at approx. UK Sterling 2,240. For that price I would expect accommodation at the Claridges' Hotel. At prices like this, it would seem that the accommodation is more important than the content/purpose of the trip.And it lasts for 8 (eight) days - including arrival/departure days, which tend to be "dead" days anyhow. (So in effect 6 days....?). I have said this before. It's fine, if you have got money to burn. I just don't want anyone Across the Pond to think that this is a kind of a MINIMUM budget to give value for money. It isn't.(In UK this represents almost 3 months " middle average" salary. A lot of people earn perhaps UK Pounds 400 - 500 per month - just so that you get the perspective). I just would not like to think that anyone from Across the Pond, wishing to visit this little Island to get the impression that to see, experience, hearing about, learning about stained glass in UK requires this kind of budget. A lot of these high-light programmes/lectures/talks you listed in UK Albert, are free or at a quite nominal cost (even more so if in a group). . I myself have attended a number of them. That's All ..... "Starvers" and serious students of stained glass in UK, please do not be deterred or feel despondent. Julie Sloan will just adore me...! :-( Elisabeth in UK (steps off soap-box and wishes Julie the greatest of success!) Sorry , .....Toby sleeps! Not to be disturbed! Albert wrote: We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: $3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need to come up with only $3,480.) Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass: An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church." Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United States. Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ... and a member of The Art Workers Guild. Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained Glass." Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at Ely Cathedral. Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William Morris. and Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and the work of the Pre-Raphaelites. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/ and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you won't want to miss. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.24558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have different from the already listed ideas is an expandable portfolio for my patterns. I file them alphabetically, and number them as well since I have about 8 angel patterns. I keep the cut up pieces in a regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. For the patterns that don't have names I label them Flat 1, etc, Oval flower 1, etc. This way when I want a pattern I know exactly where to look. I won't take credit for this idea though, my partner was sick of seeing patterns laying all over the house and bought it for me for Christmas. Also the Dollar Store has all kinds of great clear boxes with compartments to sort smaller scraps of glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:49:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hope your message got to someone > besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Yeah, I noticed that flub on my part. Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No Idea about the loop. An oddysey catalog or worden catalog may show a like image. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:39:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Subject: Fwd: Re: Tiffany Lamp Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030736.XAA10213@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Guess this missed getting sent. Andrew --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:26 -0800 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamp Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) For those wondering about the prices of Tiffany's lamps... The following is taken from the Industry News section of US Glass, January 1998 A Tiffany lamp sold for $2,807,500.00 at a Christie's auction in December, shattering the record for a work by the prestigious glass studio. According to "Reuters" report, the pink lotus lamp was sold to an anonymous buyer after an estimated $2.5 million to $3.5 million during the auction house's 20th-century decorative arts sale. The report adds that price also set a new world auction record for any 20th-century decorative arts object. The auction house had billed the lamp as "the most magnificent and important leaded glass lamp ever offered ay auction. Now, I wonder where I should put it! :-) Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:42:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts (Shirley) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 01:44:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980203014428.007c7140@ictc.com> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley, Thanks!! Best laugh I've had in awhile! Keep that sense of humor here... I appreciate it. Dale Not only am I getting multi-posts, but >some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. > >Shirley Suter >Grapeland, Tx. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The Banker's House 305 4th St N PO Box 113 Buffalo, North Dakota "Society often forgives the criminal: it never forgives the dreamer." $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 00:23:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:22:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.162157.0> References: <<1998Feb3.24558.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I keep the cut up pieces in a > regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces > written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. Use zip lock bags instead of envelopes and you never have to worry about losing pattern pieces again. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 01:09:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:08:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.91127.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 20:27 02/02/98 EST, yLu Ann wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-02 20:06:53 Mike wrote: > ><< hough other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. >> > >MAYBE that is the only one in England that they have available where they have >to pay by the minute. Mike, no one is asking you to stop participating, just >snip and cut. A little consideration is all that is being ask of you....is >that really asking too much? > Thanks for the support Lu Ann - the situation here in UK is that although some ISP's allow unlimited time through them on the internet - at a far higher cost than those who allow say 3 hours free and any time over at about 4 dollars an hour, we are still charged for our phone calls by the phone companies - whichever one we are using, so any ISP charges are in addition to the basic cost of using the phone lines. Hopefully with a little more competition - it is being suggested that one day we will be able to access the WWW and internet via our electricity cable (I think) or through our cable TV supplier - the costs will come down in the future. As is, I download my email (75 today thanks to lots of bungi input, keep it coming) and read/respond off line, then log back on and send all my messages, so I keep the cost down. But the cost of being on line does limit my participation in live chat groups and putting in my 6 penn'orth on bulletin boards - so perhaps its not a bad thing ;-) Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 01:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:21:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.9246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 19:38 02/02/98 -0500, Dani wrote: >You shouldn't stand your came boxes >upright- leave them lying flat. We have >metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the >boxes the same way you would use a >shelf on the brackets. If you dont buy enough lead came to build up a stock of lead boxes for storage, how about using drainpipe and guttering (what we in UK call the plastic tubes and C section stuff used to carry rainwater from the roof to the drains) Our students and other customers often surprise our neighbours by arriving looking as if they are jobbing plumbers (especially the 60+ year old ladies) clutching these plastic tubes which are great for transporting lead - even strapped on top of a small car - and you can use the attachment clips for the c section guttering to fix several on the wall to seperate different profiles of lead came Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:45:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104541.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 23:51:54 EST, you write: << I seem to be getting posts in duplicate and triplicate again... anyone else? >> yes, Dani, I too am getting duplicates and triplicates, which wouldn't be too bad of a thing except one of them is my response to the fastener strap that Shirley ask about and I identified it wrong, so, I certainly don't like being mistaken once let alone 2 or 3 times (laughing). I am enjoying your pregnant male cat issue as much as I enjoyed the interpretation of who was sent to the other room. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:08:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199802031055.EAA22690@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match >the size of the pieces. Good morning , Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? designing and fabbing SG chess pieces has been on my list of "projects that I probably will never do in a million years but still enjoy thinking about once in a while" My design ideas have never gotten past basic pyramidal shaped pieces for the pawns What knowledge does bungi have on this subject? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:59:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my cat deceased Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:58:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.105858.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 01:35:27 EST, you write: << No chips have my feet picked up yet, major point....do NOT shuffle. >> << We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice!>> I have been missing your humor of late!! Thank you, I needed a good laugh this morning. I find your humor so much like my father's, who is retired with my mother in Florida. Talk to them often but it's not the same as having them close by. Your humor is wonderful. I look forward to your posts whether they be humorous or serious. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 04:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.2113.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Better than zip lock bags... I buy the see-thru bags that collectors = store comic books in and I store cartoons and matching cutout mylar = patterns for projects that I have done. That way I have everything ready = should I want to do another one. I have a 5" binder that I store ideas, tips that I have down loaded from = the net and directions for equipment like the grinder and the = scoreboard. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 04:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:37:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.23159.0> References: <<1998Feb2.201041.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Such a simple, but good idea. Thanks Gary. Susan dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: > > I have a technique for making irregular layout jigs for any shape panel > and it is sort of automatic. > > I always draw my patterns on poster board. I cut up the poster board > into patterns to draw around and mark my glass. If I want a layout jig, > I just draw the pattern in the middle of the sheet of poster board, then > I cut the shape right out of the center of the poster board while keeping > the outline intact. Then I build up patches of masking tape , about 6 > layers thick, on the back of the poster board, about every two inches. > The masking tape holds the poster board about 1/16 of an inch above the > table so that it is deep enough to hold my glass in. It is always a > perfect fit too, because it came right from around the actual original > pattern! > > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:42:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:42:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 08:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <9802038865.AA886513295@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was looking at this one for more of a checker board for my kids. They love to play with the blobs at the store and have picked out green and yellow to use in place of checkers on their board. This was just an experiment with scrap glass I had in my box:)) _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Chess Boards From: at internet-mail Date: 2/2/98 7:21 PM Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:49:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 13:51:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199802031348.NAA00079@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike S wrote >though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt >charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've >seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding >to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > > >---Mike Savad Mike, Those of us in the UK have to pay the phone charges to connect to our ISPs (no free local calls here!) Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:52:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.234440.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? > YES! -- Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:53:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:53:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 08:49:08 EST, you write: << This was just an experiment with scrap glass I had in my box:)) >> Yes, but look at all the interest there is in chessboards and now it's gone on to the actual chess pieces, all being made out of glass. This is something I've been pondering myself, as it seems, so have a few others. Thanks for getting it started. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:59:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:59:05 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980203075905.007d5d10@glasstreasures.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This may be a duplicate post, but I never saw the original come through and felt it was worth sending again. My apologies if it's a repeat. A subscriber to my web site e-mail list sent me this...I think it was mentioned on the list before, but now that it's only a couple of weks away, I thought a reminder wouldn't hurt. Anybody in the area who goes - enjoy it for the rest of us!! "I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 (parish secretary). " Steph ~ P.S. to Elisabeth (spelled it right this time!) - my subscriber sent this to me because she saw the bit on your reaction to Chartres that you graciously allowed me to add to my site - thanks again! ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:02:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: 3 Feb 1998 09:00:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.408.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>Creative Storage! 2/3/98 One thing I have found that works great for storing & using glass tools (ie. cutters push pins, rulers, breaking pliers & such) is an under the desk computer key board tray. I had one left after changing to a new computer table(which came with one) . SO I mounted the old one on the under side of my work bench and it's wonderful. It has a little flip up draw which I store my cutters, push pins, razor blades and layout blocks in . And then the flat space where the keyboard would sit I place all my hand tools. This way they are not all over my work bench but at the same time right where I can reach them with one hand if necessary. And it slides under the bench top so it doesn't take up any space. If you have limited space and you can lay your hands one of these draws, it works great! Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu -------------------------------------- Date: 2/2/98 4:08 PM To: Connie Jewell From: glass@bungi.com Received: by mail1.ciwemb.edu with SMTP;2 Feb 1998 16:07:10 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.205011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with to store those odd items. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:03:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 08:58:20 EST Message-ID: <980203.090244.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb2.162157.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We are going to 9 x 12 envelopes and putting a picture of the pattern on the outside of the envelope. We too have many roses and angels, etc. and I'm not going to remember if rose 3 or rose 5 is the one I want. This way, they'll fit nicely into the file cabinet and we'll be able to see immediately if we have what we want. My husband is presently running up our popular patterns on Glass Eye, so we'l be cross-referncing to disk, too. This will allow us to rescale patterns easily and to take that butterfly and this flower and put them together in a new pattern. (he's getting very good at it, BTW) Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:44:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.74313.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk I, too, am receiving everything in triplicate today! And I thought it was just my popularity increasing. . . .Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:04:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:03:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5115.0> References: <<1998Feb2.175515.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > Thank you, Dani! I've been rebooting everything in sight > thinking it was us. Not only am I getting multi-posts, but > some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. > > Shirley Suter > Grapeland, Tx. > > Dani Greer wrote: > > > > I seem to be getting posts in > > duplicate and triplicate again... > > anyone else? > ---- i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5111.0> References: <<199802031055.EAA22690@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > >I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match > >the size of the pieces. > > Good morning , > > Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? designing and > fabbing SG chess pieces has been on my list of "projects that I probably > will never do in a million years but still enjoy thinking about once in a > while" > > My design ideas have never gotten past basic pyramidal shaped pieces for > the pawns > > What knowledge does bungi have on this subject? > > Len > > ---- i've thought about it from time to time these are the only things i could come up with (and currently i may not have the sources to do it): using flat glass, cornered up on it self. like thos ugly 3-d flowers. the center would be solid, and the sides would hold the center up, over the top it would form a plus sign. if i knew how to carve, i could make a cast and make it out of metal like bronze. i've seen chess pieces done in blown glass, though not terribly usable large marbles with flat bottoms could work, each one would have it's symbol inside surrounded by clear. the knight would have a horse head in it, etc. small slumped glass things could be made up. either by having a split slump and soldering the seam. or by slumping it into a mold of some kind, though that may look like a ghost when done. other than that, checkers is about the easiest thing to make. another intresting board i found was this battle chess board thing http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Battle/Battle-chess.html it's different anyway. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: creative storage Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:17:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.01738.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Can you use one more for creative storage? I don't have the Pringle can but I do have Crystal Light cans. When I have strips of half inch wide and long glass strips I break them into half inch squares and use the Crystal Light cans to store them in. The cans are marked with the color and I have pre-made mosaic pieces when I need them. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.52441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane Manchester asked about creative storage ideas. For storing small stuff like push pens, etc., I have an old spice rack with the 10 little bottles. I have that hanging on the wall right next to my soldering table. I store small pieces of glass in old 4.25" computer diskette boxes. For larger pieces I store them in old LP record racks or old computer mainframe tape storage racks. Can you tell I used to be a computer nerd in my former life? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:39:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:30:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13032.0> References: <<199802011654.LAA27920@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi, I found a 3 paned barn window frame in my barn a couple months back, and I would love to incorporate some glasswork in it! I figure with the barn siding craze, I actually might be able to sell it! The outside diameter of the frame is 14.25" x 28.00" Each of the openings are 8.00" x 10.00". The depth is 1/2". I am wondering if I should put a different farm animal in each one or possibly a different flower in each one, and how much should I charge? I know I asked about pricing last week, and might sound tedious. Should I add the total dimension (frame included) and go by the sq. inch? Also would I use points to hold the panels in? Thanks for bearing with me! Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:39:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cats and glass Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.03825.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk I too have studio cats and they rule. Most of the time they lay on my pattern on the light table where it's warm. Usually they lay right where I'm working and get indignant when I have to move them. I couldn't work, though, without their participation. Also, back to the Tiffany...good idea to look at Worden and Odessey patterns. I don't recall anything that looks like the shade that I have. It is not really intricate so I'm really curious as to who could have made it. Thanks for the input. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:42:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!kristc From: Kris To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD308F.D2D56960" Subject: RE: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.53727.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD308F.D2D56960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I'm new here and really enjoying the discussions. Mom gave me her supplies, including some dish drainer racks that are very handy for storing smaller sheets of glass. Kris PS Hi neighbor (sort of) I'm in Sarasota :) In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? 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I wonder if you could make some molds of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible colors. But, it's an idea. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 08:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.62650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For the past week I have been getting multiple postings, not just of = bungi, of everything. Our computer gurus say that my computer is not = deleting things from the main server once my computer downloads it. I = figured it was a local problem. I don't think that it could be anything = that bungi is doing but it sure is odd that others are having similar = problems. Linda Campbell Nadine said I, too, am receiving everything in triplicate today! And I thought it was just my popularity increasing. . . .Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 08:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:40:55 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I do have Crystal Light cans. ---- Me too. I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for Christmas). I keep a big Crystal Light can in my bird seed--works great for refilling my bird feeders (sorry, not glass-related). My intended-someday-for-mosaics scraps have been accumulating in a little plastic box, but it's almost full. And I can see how color-sorting would be a plus. Thanks for that idea! I have some old metal shelving (Sears) that has been taken apart and reassembled countless times. When originally purchased it was bookcases in my college apartment(s). I'm happy to report that many years later it is no longer a fixture of my living room, but is now used in a corner of the basement to store glass. Right now there are just stacks (of color groups) between layers of newspaper. I have plans to eventually get racks so I can store it vertically. My local retailer has recently added a wall to divide some space in the studio. He left the end of the wall open and stored his various sizes of zinc and copper in heavy cardboard tubes stacked inside the wall. I have a milk crate than holds pendaflex hanging files. I use them to keep smaller patterns, keeper tips from bungi, ideas clipped from magazines and catalogs, info on glass places to visit when traveling, etc. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:16:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031708.JAA15009@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina > or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I > like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for > Christmas). > Kaye --------------- Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:07:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.21711.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We use clear plastic ice cream tubs for storing glass and gift wrap tubes for storing patterns. ---------- > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:40:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:36:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:22:49 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.212249.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, triplicate-no wonder so many messages when I opened my box, half are repeats. ---------- > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? > > Bob says: > > "People who do not like cats belong > in another room." = > > > Too hysterical, Bob. Michael and I > are still laughing ourselves silly!;-0 > We, too, have a "pregnant" male > cat! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:36:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 21:50:40 EST, you write: << Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. >> I would be interested as well in some Muslim designs. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:52:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:40:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17400.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 23:09:46 EST, you write: << If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. >> Where can this be purchased? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:02:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: ideas for chess pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:07:21 -0600 Message-ID: <199802031756.LAA06948@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrew I wasn't aware that there were defined patterns for chess pieces What style do you think would be most adaptable to some of the techniques mentioned below? Would the Stuanton style be the most common one I would recognize.... like in a cheap plastic set? Other then the pawns, which should be the easy part , there only needs to be the five forms of the pieces in the back row. If they could be depicted in a easy to recognize simplified geometric form I think that would be half the battle at least in the sense of the skills and the techniques available to most bunginians >If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" >pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. Andrew stacked and glued flat pieces finished off with a different jewel for each piece type a foiled geometric base maybe a cone with the top cut off and use finials or some other solderable findings to represent the form of the piece? Len >using flat glass, cornered up on it self. like thos ugly 3-d flowers. >the center would be solid, and the sides would hold the center up, over >the top it would form a plus sign. >large marbles with flat bottoms could work, each one would have it's >symbol inside surrounded by clear. the knight would have a horse head in >it, etc. > >small slumped glass things could be made up. either by having a split >slump and soldering the seam. or by slumping it into a mold of some >kind, though that may look like a ghost when done. Mike Savad Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible colors. But, it's an idea. Mike Peck > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:18:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802031818.NAA25418@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steph wrote, > >"I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that >Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to >Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church >on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of >Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 >(parish secretary). " > >This is a must if you are in the area!!! There is no one like Mr. Miller and you probably won't get a chance to see him in person again in the US. As for his information on Chartres Cathedral? You will think you died and went to Heaven. There is nothing to compare. I have listened personally to Mr. Miller at least a dozen times and every time I learn something new about the Cathedral. And am mesmerized by it all. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: id lamp Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.23249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Diane. Try a library, look for The Lamps of Tiffany Nuestadt The lamps of Tiffany Studios Duncan/Feldstein Good reference sources....covers most shades Nuestadt......FIRST choice, real deep! Lots of lamps made by may other companies 30's and earlier. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:35:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:33:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:59 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi, I found a 3 paned barn window frame in my barn a couple months >back, and I would love to incorporate some glasswork in it! I figure >with the barn siding craze, I actually might be able to sell it! >The outside diameter of the frame is 14.25" x 28.00" Each of the >openings are 8.00" x 10.00". The depth is 1/2". I am wondering if I >should put a different farm animal in each one or possibly a different >flower in each one, and how much should I charge? I know I asked about What about putting together a scene that flows from one window to the next...be it incorporating animals, flowers or whatever? To my eye that would be more pleasing than 3 simple static images. I won't address the pricing issue since it's well documented in the archives Good luck Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:07:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.21711.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We use clear plastic ice cream tubs for storing glass and gift wrap tubes for storing patterns. ---------- > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:59:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:50:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185030.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Its a ratchet tiedown, get a good one cause some are useless take it from someone who has to tiedown appliances for shipment. Sears sells nice ones and I understand the 4-wheeler places have good ones too. I prefer the ones that you just pull and push button release, they have less of a chance of locking up on you deb > The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the > other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just > like you would jack up a car. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:08:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Storing Came Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.9716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- If the zinc came is less than 1/4 inch they, too, might get a little distorted = after standing on end for any length of time. Otherwise, you should be okay. I guess this thread is a good example of vague communication! Never even thought of zinc since we never use it. ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:23:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:23:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17233.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Back in 1981, I designed a chess board, including the pieces, for a renaissance fair in which I participated. My brother designed the base of the table to match the base of the chess pieces. We installed florescent light under the board, and fit the board right into the middle of the base table. I must say (and I don't usually like to toot my horn), it is quite a unique piece. The chess board squares are 2" square. I used purple with white streaky for one side, and a creamy white with purple streaky for the opposite side. For the pieces, I used the same contrasting glass, and added purple water glass for accent spires on some of the pieces. I used clock parts (the arms - cut in half) for the king, queen and bishop tops. The castle, pawn and horse stand 4" assembled into two sections, and the bishop, queen and king, upwards to 6", also in two sections. I have had no problem with sagging (thank goodness). I used copper foil to complete the project. As mentioned, a frame was made to fit the board into the middle of the table base. It if fully functional and very sturdy. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner, or graphic program to create a .jpeg picture to share. Perhaps this gives some ideas, however, on how to go about making glass pieces. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:19:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:17:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: pronounce Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:50:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185031.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I had a cat that had babies on a box of broken lightbulbs, and another that loves to sleep in a big box of glass we had collected from a broken sliding glaass door does that answer your question LOL deb > .do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:56:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:53:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: semi-circular windows...thanks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:41:06 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031841.KAA10086@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to say thanks to everyone who replied to my question last week about fitting semi-circular windows. Turns out that I didn't have to go up the ladder (yet) since they had another studio come two years ago and make a template...the studio never delivered the piece so the owners are going to go get the template for me. In the meantime I'm doing a room divider for their bathroom...when I deliver that I'll just have to zip up the ladder and check the template. In the meantime, though I've been making a semi-circle template for a much smaller bathroom window elsewhere...just had to go up a stool for that and found all the bungi suggestions REALLY helpful to plan a method of doing it...it's hard to think with a client peering over my shoulder!!! I do have another problem though...this piece is for a semi-circle which has a regular sliding window below it. The problem...it's going to take skyhooks to keep it up since it's all one window without a ledge between the semi-circle and the sliding portion to rest the flat side of the glass on. Anyone know how to do install this??? Where do I buy skyhooks...anyone got a source for them Dawn, you're great. I want to acknowledge how helpful your files from the archives have been. It must have taken a LONG time to put it all together. Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:59:18, -0500 Message-ID: <199802031959.OAA20832@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I hope this one has not been given. I use plastic shoe boxes that cost about $1.00. Very handy for storing small projects or kiln findings for future use. Use to hold bevels for a project to avoid scratching, etc. Sometimes give to customers when they buy custom bevels. Bob Ps: For the first time I have been receiving duplicate posts. Some big srever must be trying to chalk up a record for use. ____ Bob Duchesneau (Freeway's mother) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > >---Mike Savad Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 14:40:37 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.224037.0> References: <<1998Jan30.155334.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim, Thank you for the wonderful suggestions and directions. I'm thrilled to find out about the Chrysler Museum of Art. It turns out that it's not very many blocks away from where I will be, so will make that my first detour. THANKS! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:50:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At least that's how I *think it's pronounced. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am getting duplicates only from bungi, not from anyone else, so I don't think it's my server. This time and in previous duplicate mailings it only happens with the bungi posts. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104042.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You lucky people in Massachusetts - I am soooo jealous! Is there any = chance of getting Mr. Miller's lecture on video and sharing with the rest of us? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104049.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk All the flux we buy comes = in plastic containers anyway so I can't imagine film canisters would be a problem. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my cat deceased Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:55:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.205517.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 01:35:20 EST, you write: << I too, used to have a shop cat....large warm light table major perch for her. She died of old age at 16+ years. We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice! >> HOWARD......its time to get a new cat !!!!! and to visit your local animal shelter..the best cats come from there! :)) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:24:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:27:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.92715.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn Well, I've always said ..... Yah-koo-gany. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:41:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:47:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.94756.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Tell me you're kidding, Albert. Now I feel sooooo foolish (<--naaah, not really!). I've always called it "Yoga hey knee". Sheesh! From now on, it's Yo! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Albert Lewis wrote: > > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > > Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At > least that's how I *think it's pronounced. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cats and glass Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:25:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.212538.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have to share my workspace with my cat. Unfortunately, she gets to spend more time there than I do. There are wooden boxes with glass in them on the floor. She is constantly rubbing her face on the edges of the glass. It used to worry me at first but she has never cut herself. Then, about two weeks ago I discovered that she had dived off a workbench and used a crate of glass with 3 ft. pieces of glass standing vertically as a springboard! The cat is fine. The glass........is for small projects now. The moral of the story is--- Protect your shop! The cats can take care of themselves! Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:47:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:39:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.73957.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn I believe it is pronounce yokagainy -- Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:54:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:52:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:52:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5528.0> References: <<199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I vote for a blooming(not the kind Eliza Doolittle refers to) tree branch extending throughout the window with at least 4 humming birds. Humming Birds are very popular right now. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:06:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.22654.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > >Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At >least that's how I *think it's pronounced. We asked at their stand at the Dusseldorf Glass exhibition Glastec96 and were told to pronounce it Yock-a-heeny with a hard "ck" sound. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:08:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.8116.0> References: <<199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > What about putting together a scene that flows from one window to the > next...be it incorporating animals, flowers or whatever? To my eye that > would be more pleasing than 3 simple static images. > Carol Swann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks Carol, I didn't think of that at all! Hmmmm, this just got more challenging for me! I like it! Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:29:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > >---Mike Savad Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:39:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:36:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.63644.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > > Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At > least that's how I *think it's pronounced. stained glass retailers on the west coast are comfortable pronouncing it Yo(like Salone says in the Rocky movies)-gay-nee Always wondered about this one myself. It's named after an Indian tribe, isn't it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cats and glass Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.6411.0> References: <<1998Feb3.212538.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > The moral of the story is--- Protect your shop! The cats can take care of > themselves! > > Theresa Here here!!!!!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:51:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.84318.0> References: <<1998Feb3.5528.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I vote for a blooming(not the kind Eliza Doolittle refers to) tree > branch extending throughout the window with at least 4 humming birds. > Humming Birds are very popular right now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I like this idea too!!!! Thanks! by blooming tree branch do you mean like apple or cherry blossoms? Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: enough cats (mine) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.65054.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We have become used to not being "owned" by a cat....had a moment of weakness and cat-sat for a friend. Not sure we will get another one. But certainly do miss the used Burmese we had! (ps "used" means someone gave us to her) enough about cats (mine anyway) for now. A few newsgroups dedicated to felines are out there. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 14:40:37 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.224037.0> References: <<1998Jan30.155334.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim, Thank you for the wonderful suggestions and directions. I'm thrilled to find out about the Chrysler Museum of Art. It turns out that it's not very many blocks away from where I will be, so will make that my first detour. THANKS! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:58:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.115815.0> References: <<1998Feb3.22654.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Take if from a real Pittsburgher (although I DON'T say "yinz" or "yunz") who was born, raised and continues to live by the Yough River, the correct way to say this Indian word is: Yock-a-gay-knee All others are merely imitations. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.125228.0> References: <<199802031708.JAA15009@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote: > > > I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina > > or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I > > like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for > > Christmas). > > > Kaye > --------------- > > Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I > use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there > might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the > plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass flux can go into almost anything non-absorbent. as far as i know it really does'nt react to anything, though i would'nt put it in a metal container. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.125421.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn > > Solder while the iron is hot > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yuck-a-geny ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13108.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there > >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new > >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > > > >---Mike Savad > > Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... > Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen it come in a few times, but always somewhere different. kind of a dejavu experience, especially when i go to answer it for a second time. i release it only when i rehearse it in my head, and thinking "hmm i thought i just wrote that..." and what makes it worse the repeats may come days later... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032324.PAA06251@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open side is towards me. That catches any and all grinder guck that's flung around, as well as giving me a place to sit a small lamp for better visibility at night. They're cheap at a yard sale, and one that doesn't hold water works okay for this. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:31:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13304.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sam & Elizabeth- I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Skyhooks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.132956.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol- Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) Seriously, though, a solution for your problem might require a tinker. Michael's solution: Get a length of aluminum u-channel two inches longer than the length of the window span. (We buy this from a commercial glazier at about .80/ft.) Have the handyman cut away one = inch on the two upright sides on each end. Then heat-bend the remaining middle section up to enclose the ends of the u-channel. Drill a hole in each end, then screw into the window jambs with the channel open to the top. Then just plop the stained glass in and finish out the half-round section as you ordinarily would (see previous thread;-) Or simpler, but not as attractive: Solder two L-brackets to the bottom zinc channel with the ell pointed down-ward. Then attach to the window jamb with screws on each side. Proceed as above. Touch up both with paint to match. Who was it said something about a picture being worth 1,000 words.... whew! Good luck! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Storing Came Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:13:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.151326.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, = cheap storing came idea - = Go to HQ/Home Depot type store Ask for used, ready to be thrown out carpet tubes. = The thing carpet is wrapped around. They are either 6 or 12 feet long. Pay nothing. Cut in half lengthwise. You now have at least two cheap heavy cardboard came containers. Hang on wall or from ceiling. We ORFS got to save somewhere. Jim The Glass Canvas Virginia Beach VA/Lake Wallenpaupak PA gcanvas@CompuServe.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032341.PAA26861@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane, thank you for making this "west coaster" feel better! Your interpretation is exactly how our studio/store has always pronounced it! Glad to hear we are educating the public correctly! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:32:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:31:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.152141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And according to our wholesalers catalog: Yock-a-gain-ee What a great thread, though! Best regards, DAni Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.153048.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? I work for a garment company. We get empty cardboard rolls piling up at the end of every day from fabric and plotter paper. I use the rolls to store came, zinc, and patterns. My studio is in the basment so I have the rolls in between the floor joists in the ceiling. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:02:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199802040154.RAA08915@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Same here. Duplicates and triplicates for the last couple days. Sure takes a lot more time sifting thru the mail. Jean ---------- > From: Michael J. Greer > To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com > Subject: RE: triplicate postings > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 12:40 PM > > I am getting duplicates only from > bungi, not from anyone else, so I > don't think it's my server. This time > and in previous duplicate mailings > it only happens with the bungi posts. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:05:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was just reading a message, got a notice that I had mail, and it was a duplicate of the message that I was just reading. It seems to be only a problem with Bungi that I'm having. Odd, but a few days ago, some were in triplicate. That seems to have stopped now. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.103128.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We sure are spending a lot of effort in complaining/observing on duplicate/triplicatex2x2 posts. Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard from and we can be done with it. enjoy? howard weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:32:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb3.103257.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk True enough, but those are white plastic. Couldn't the black canasters have different chemicals in them from the white ones? Perhaps something that could interact with the flux? I too use little jars the size of baby food jars. I like them because I can see at a glance just how much flux is in them and I'm not 'dipping in the dark' , so to speak. ---"Michael J. Greer" wrote: > > All the flux we buy comes = > > in plastic containers anyway so > I can't imagine film canisters > would be a problem. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:41:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:47:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.94756.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk lot of lines of text for a pronunciation! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:44:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:51:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Tell me you're kidding, Albert. Now I feel sooooo foolish Well, if in Duesseldorf they themselves said it "Yok o heeny" (that was it, wasn't it?), I'm ready to change my tune. I was just told, though, that in pro studios they just refer to it as "Yock!" Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:07:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.3751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've gotten lots of duplicates and triplicates too. It's been happening for about the last 3 days. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Defined Chess Pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199802040313.TAA15015@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The term Staunton refes to the standard style of chess pieces. You know, the ones you've seen Fisher and Spasky playing with. This style is also the most common if you go to a game store and purchase a chess set. A couple of years ago I came across an all glass chess set. The board was a 16" x16" 3/16" thick glass with a 1/2" bevel. The squares had been sandblasted. The "white" pieces were clear cast glass and the "black" were frosted. Pretty nice really. The cost was only $30. And...to no surprise, it was made in Tiawan. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:08:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.3817.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: << Yock-a-gay-knee >> Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hi everybody Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17420.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk every time i try to clean my iron with flux or store scrap glass, two or three cats run through my room... ;-) -- Jeremy W. Hopkins KC8GWH http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:34:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17370@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey PJ, What is a "Beanie Baby"??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! They even sell beanie babies! Just a Monday morning thought. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:34:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17394@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Folks, I am crawling out of my "Godson Entertainment Mode" to ask, plead a little favour. Anyone, but ANYONE, who attends any of Malcom Miller's lectures in USA, would it be within the realms of possibility for any of you to make a copy of your recording for little ME??? As PJ - quite rightly pointed out - he is an absolute MUST!!! He held us totally spell-bound and I wished I had begged, borrowed, stolen recording equipment for his lecture at Chartres. WHAT a charismatic man! I am - of course - willing to pay for costs . If you remember, I told you absolutely MONTHS ago that he was organizing this USA visit. Am SO glad that it is now being realized. If you love stained glass - DON'T MISS IT!!! The very first (of oh so many) Chartres pictures from last Easter are now on my WEB-page. Text is still missing..... I'll get there one of these days... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Steph wrote, > >"I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that >Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to >Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church >on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of >Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 >(parish secretary). " PJ wrote: >This is a must if you are in the area!!! There is no one like Mr. Miller and you probably won't get a chance to see him in person again in the US. As for his information on Chartres Cathedral? You will think you died and went to Heaven. There is nothing to compare. I have listened personally to Mr. Miller at least a dozen times and every time I learn something new about the Cathedral. And am mesmerized by it all. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17388@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians, This thread has caught my interest too. I have never seen "Over Here" how to make chess pieces. Have long been planning to do a chess board (for myself). To make the chess pieces as well (perhaps in other materials...?) sounds absolutely delicious! Staunton Pattern. Staunton WHO?? Would be very grateful for help with book title, author, ISBN No and maybe I might be able to order it through my local book-shop. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK << If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. >> Where can this be purchased? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13108.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there > >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new > >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > > > >---Mike Savad > > Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... > Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen it come in a few times, but always somewhere different. kind of a dejavu experience, especially when i go to answer it for a second time. i release it only when i rehearse it in my head, and thinking "hmm i thought i just wrote that..." and what makes it worse the repeats may come days later... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032324.PAA06251@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open side is towards me. That catches any and all grinder guck that's flung around, as well as giving me a place to sit a small lamp for better visibility at night. They're cheap at a yard sale, and one that doesn't hold water works okay for this. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13304.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sam & Elizabeth- I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Skyhooks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.132956.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol- Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) Seriously, though, a solution for your problem might require a tinker. Michael's solution: Get a length of aluminum u-channel two inches longer than the length of the window span. (We buy this from a commercial glazier at about .80/ft.) Have the handyman cut away one = inch on the two upright sides on each end. Then heat-bend the remaining middle section up to enclose the ends of the u-channel. Drill a hole in each end, then screw into the window jambs with the channel open to the top. Then just plop the stained glass in and finish out the half-round section as you ordinarily would (see previous thread;-) Or simpler, but not as attractive: Solder two L-brackets to the bottom zinc channel with the ell pointed down-ward. Then attach to the window jamb with screws on each side. Proceed as above. Touch up both with paint to match. Who was it said something about a picture being worth 1,000 words.... whew! Good luck! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:11:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had a blood test come back positive for high lead? I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and I have never met anyone who has. All of which makes me wonder whether a) blood tests are not sensitive enough or b) stained glass doesn't pose much risk of lead poisoning. I am not trying to say that lead isn't harmful, or that we shouldn't take precautions, just that I've never met anyone who ever got lead poisoning from stained glass work. This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out foreign matter, and it works pretty well. So we either inhale it or ingest it, and how much really gets in your mouth? We seem to spend a lot of time worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks like silica dust or even fire prevention. What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 23:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah says: >I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test >if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had >a blood test come back positive for high lead? Suzanne replies: No, my blood tests always come back low lead. However I intend to keep on having it checked at least once a year. I think it's cumulative. I do know one person who did SG in this town for many years... she had to stop because of high lead levels. She told me she wasn't very careful back in the "old days." I've also heard of another here. That's in an average-sized suburban county seat. Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.143544.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sarah, The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking the windows. I have never heard of anyone getting it, and make it a personal habit to thoroughly scrub my hands after working with it. Because usually I head right from the glassroom to the kitchen. After we began doing glass in our home, we brought our kids in for testing, and there were no problems there either. I think its just uninformed people making the usual assumptions..... Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 22:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 23:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah says: >I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test >if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had >a blood test come back positive for high lead? Suzanne replies: No, my blood tests always come back low lead. However I intend to keep on having it checked at least once a year. I think it's cumulative. I do know one person who did SG in this town for many years... she had to stop because of high lead levels. She told me she wasn't very careful back in the "old days." I've also heard of another here. That's in an average-sized suburban county seat. Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 22:32:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.143544.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sarah, The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking the windows. I have never heard of anyone getting it, and make it a personal habit to thoroughly scrub my hands after working with it. Because usually I head right from the glassroom to the kitchen. After we began doing glass in our home, we brought our kids in for testing, and there were no problems there either. I think its just uninformed people making the usual assumptions..... Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:17:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Storing Came Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.151636.0> References: <<1998Feb3.151326.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > We ORFS got to save somewhere. > OK I'll bite. What is ORFS? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:21:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.152053.0> References: <<1998Feb3.84318.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > I like this idea too!!!! Thanks! by blooming tree branch do you > mean like apple or cherry blossoms? > Doesn't matter, just remember to be authenic, humming birds are attracted by red or deep pink flowers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:52:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185257.0> References: <<1998Feb2.154751.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Vinyl guttering uses plastic gutter-brackets, and metal guttering (NOT older) as in the aluminum or (very expensive) copper guttering uses gutter spikes which are very commonly available from any hardware store or home remodeling outlet which stocks gutter. There is also a slim metal sleeve that is made to slide onto the spike between the inside edges of the guttering to keep it from getting bent in on itself. V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > > my guess would be that it's attached with gutter spikes. the older > gutters used these giant spikes. the newer ons hang on with straps... > > ---Mike Savad > > Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > > My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention > > to how he attached it to the wall though. > > Dave you want to take it from here? > > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > from and we can be done with it. Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person > can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking > the windows. Not quite, I'm afraid. Lead is a much more insidious substance than that. Take a look (for starters) at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cgg5e.htm ... "For example, a label for lead solder purchased in a hardware store indicates that it is "fatal if swallowed" and "causes severe burns," but gives no indication of the fact that lead causes not only acute lead poisoning but also has severe effects on a number of body systems, including damage to blood-forming, nervous, and reproductive systems (see OHSA's lead standard, 29 CFR 1910.1025)." Washing your hands is good, it's a start, but we'll see if Monona Rossol has an update on the subject for us. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Uroboros: "You row bore us" ... the mythical snake that devoured itself, because Uroboros' glass was initially (and perhaps still is) made at least partially with recycled glass. Accent on "bore," methinks. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:45:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:43:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:46:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.84645.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 18:30 03/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Sam & Elizabeth- > >I think someone was pulling >your leg about the pronunciation. Yes - it rather looks like it, doesn't it. Not absolutely sure, but we may have been speaking to a German rep on the stand rather than to someone with real native american blood and vowels :-0 It's not often we Brits will accept the "ex colonial" pronouncement but we are happy to stand corrected here. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 08:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040851.IAA03590@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote >Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I >use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there >might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the >plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? I don't think so all of the flux I've ever bought comes in plastic containers! Phil Phil Speedwell Computer Technician Microcomputer Development Centre Education Support Service Glasgow City Council ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ids.on.ca!aloha From: aloha@ids.on.ca To: webuser@yerbizsite.com Subject: Your web site... Summary: Authenticated Sender is Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: 020398055501222@e-bizness.com Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Would you like to improve your website's "find-ability" in the Search Engines? 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"The only thing a man can take beyond this lifetime is his ethics" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 03:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CDSANDD From: CDSANDD@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:59:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.10593.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Would you be so kind and add my name to your list? Thank you! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 04:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:41:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.124149.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com Any advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 04:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:49:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802041242.HAA24510@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: > ><< Yock-a-gay-knee >> > >Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how >it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say >it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. >---- I know its an native Indian word but I couldn't tell you which language or the meaning. But it does refer to a river - the Youghiogheny. Quite a spot for the camping and whitewater - in Ohiopyle State Park. You can check out http://www.ohiopylepa.com/ if you want. That's also the way I always learned to pronoune it - yock-a-gay-knee, the yock. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 05:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:35:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:31:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133140.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 03:44:59 EST, you write: << > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > from and we can be done with it. Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. Albert >> You asked for it Not only have I been getting posts in TRIPLICATE but I delete them all and they're back the next morning!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:11:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wscc.edu!smankin From: Susan Mankin To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980204091040.007a1100@wscc.edu> References: <<1998Feb2.154751.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi fellow stained glass enthusiasts, I am fairly new to this craft but I am used to working in small spaces as I am involved with many hobbies. I take PVC pipe and cut it in half-drill holes to hang it with and you have an inexpensive way to store came, channel, or the likes and by cutting it you double the storage space. I also took 2x6 baords and drilled holes slightly smaller than the 1/2 inch PVC pipe then pounded the pipe into the holes to make a great storage rack for storing sheets of glass in the upright position. You can cut the plastic pipe to any length you want to accomadate the size glass you have. Happy cutting!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.44928.0> References: <<1998Feb4.3817.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: > > << Yock-a-gay-knee >> > > Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how > it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say > it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it's named after the indian tribe. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45050.0> References: <<1998Feb3.17420.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > > every time i try to clean my iron with flux or store scrap glass, two or > three cats run through my room... ;-) maybe your cats are trying to tell you not to clean you iron with flux... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45246.0> References: <<199802040334.DAA17370@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hey PJ, > What is a "Beanie Baby"??? > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! > > They even sell beanie babies! > > Just a Monday morning thought. > > ---- a beanie baby is a little stuffed toy filled with beans, like a hackysack ball with legs. for some strange reason they became really popular here in the US. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45432.0> References: <<1998Feb3.13304.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Sam & Elizabeth- > > I think someone was pulling > your leg about the pronunciation. > Most folks over here pronounce > it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would > presume the wholesalers would > know since they call the factory > on a regular basis. But, then > again, with a name like that..... > Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) > > Best regard, > > Dani Greer = Uroboros = your-o-bore-us ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:58:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45630.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test > if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had > a blood test come back positive for high lead? > > I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take > precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without > paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and > I have never met anyone who has. > > All of which makes me wonder whether a) blood tests are not sensitive enough > or b) stained glass doesn't pose much risk of lead poisoning. I am not > trying to say that lead isn't harmful, or that we shouldn't take > precautions, just that I've never met anyone who ever got lead poisoning > from stained glass work. > > This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly > take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't > absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out > foreign matter, and it works pretty well. So we either inhale it or ingest > it, and how much really gets in your mouth? We seem to spend a lot of time > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah > i've had mine checked every so often, it might depend wether you do lead or foil work. being that your more likely have a little more lead in your system using lead came. mine has always been supprisingly low. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5227.0> References: <<199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk suzanne albright wrote: > > Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of > that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. > > Suzanne the grinder should'nt be spraying any dust, that's what the water is for. i know of some people who grind dry, why? i dunno, i guess they're idiots. always grind with the water in it, you should never see any dust. when you clean your grinder wet it down first then wipe it up. you also might want to wear gloves, because the glass, even in that tiny form, can still be irritating. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:08:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5619.0> References: <<1998Feb3.184357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to > ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate > your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind > behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE > edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of > money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in > the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection > time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi > because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have > to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or > SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in > consideration of the others, IMNSHO. > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, latley i've seen things so badly hacked that i have no idea what it was refering to. and if you think that's not a nice thing to do, fine, i don't always have to be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:08:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5846.0> References: <<1998Feb4.124149.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Classydad@aol.com wrote: > > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? > ---- use the glass@bungi.com as the address, and as long as your subscribed you can send and recieve mail. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:22:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Malcolm Miller video Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:30:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since some of you were interesting in someone taping Miller's presentation in Massachusetts on the 19th ... and because I was unfamiliar with him ... I asked around. Turns out he's quite well known -- except by me, I guess. The people I spoke with said he puts on a terrific show, is quite aware of the value of the show he puts on, and that getting permission to videotape is extremely unlikely, alas. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sarah:lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 12:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.71212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah. . . I've been doing glass for 18 years and can ditto your experience. I, too, have had blood tests and always came out negative--even in times when I was literally living in the studio! Now that I am aware, I try to be more careful, but I, too, wonder just how much is too much. Have a good one. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:37:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Storing Came Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.53618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>> We ORFS got to save somewhere. > OK I'll bite. What is >>ORFS? Hi Shirley, ORFS are Old Retired FellowsS That's an AARP without a membership fee. Jim The Glass Canvas Virginia Beach VA/Lake Wallenpaupak PA gcanvas@CompuServe.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:53:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hi everybody Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:59:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199802041021.EAA03269@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? > ---- Do whatever you did to get this message posted, probably glass@bungi.com. The first example would only pull up a web page if one existed with that name. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:04:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: B J Snell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980204110558.006b5028@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Feb3.184357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike..... Your sense of humor is just fine too..... >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, latley i've seen >things so badly hacked that i have no idea what it was refering to. and >if you think that's not a nice thing to do, fine, i don't always have to >be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old >ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > >---Mike Savad > > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added >and My Updated Shop Photo's >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >
0000,0000,8080~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 8080,0000,0000Barbara J. Snell Manager, Balch Dining Cornell University
0000,0000,8080 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:21:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RemickT From: RemickT@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:21:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.16213.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 10:14:13 EST, you write: << Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? >> If you don't mind mixing media -- Origami, Plain and Simple by Robert Neale/Thomas Hull has directions on how to fold chess piece from paper ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:21:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 11:15:32 EST Message-ID: <980204.112025.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb4.5619.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think Mike S, only pushes old ALIEN ladies down stairs. They bounce better. Unlike glass (sigh) Halfway through paperwork for taxes. (bigger sigh). This chessboard stuff has me thinking...which usually means my husband is in trouble because I'll want him to do something...You know those symbols used in the newspaper in chess columns? they could be etchedd or engraved on glass rounds or big glass blobs. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:23:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.102312.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just got back from a 10-day trip and found I had a MAJOR number of messages from Bungi! After reading some, realized some were duplicate and triplicate messages. But still, LOTS of messages, it was fun skimming them all! Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass shops there or near there. She only just got there so she hasn't had a chance to look but you can tell where her priorities are. That's my girl! When she goes home on weekends she does her glass work. Thanks for any help, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:45:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.2026.0> References: <<1998Feb4.5619.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old > ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > ---Mike Savad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:51:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:51:14 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: hi everybody" on Feb 4, 7:41, Classydad@aol.com writes:] > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? It's: http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 09:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 12:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9802048866.AA886612244@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk THANK YOU! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: editing, etc... From: at internet-mail Date: 2/4/98 10:00 AM > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old > ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > ---Mike Savad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 09:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:48:29 -0800 Message-ID: <199802041740.JAA13455@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hurrah, Laurean. My sentiments exactly. You said it better than I ever could have! Jean ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > Subject: editing, etc... > From: at internet-mail > Date: 2/4/98 10:00 AM > I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably > isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way > they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So > Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a > generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable > concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in > relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I > may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we > concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. > > Blessings; > > Laurean > > > > Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:21:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Boston, MA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:29:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is > working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass > shops there or near there. There are 38 on our list, for 28 of which we have phone numbers. Not sure whether any of them sell at retail (that's what you meant, right?) Might all be studios ... I didn't check the names; just did a count and amount. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:28:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.82649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler said: "After reading some...(snip) But still, LOTS of messages, it was fun skimming them all! Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass shops there or near there?"... You missed reading when you were skimming; Albert's post of Feb1,1998 @ 5:02pm www.stainglassbiz.com this site has many answers to basic questions plus additional information on stained glass. Including many of the Stained Glass stores in the different states. Glenna is also nice enough to keep all the archives plus many topics of REQUIRED READING at www.bungi.com Dawn (our resident archivest) has many specific topics put together from the archives... Lamps Pricing Design ETC I am glad, that, many new people are joining Bungi, but YOU have a responsibility too. Please read archives before asking questions that have been answered many,many times before. Jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:35:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: simple storage Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:35:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.23532.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I usually create small pieces of "scrap", I use pint, quart, 1/2 gal. and gal. waxed milk cartons (chocolate, no-fat, low fat, whole milk, etc. ) are all ok to use. Suggest rinsing them first, however. I change containers for different colors and textures, and this sorts my scrap as I go. Egg cartons are also good for keeping groups of pieces together. Also if one numbers the sections you can put background pieces in as well. I usually number 1 to 9..... 10 to 19 and so forth. enjoy, H As a suggestion if you want to comment, I do not need to see this post repeated to me! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:06:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:05:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 14:03:16 EST Message-ID: <980204.140430.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb4.102312.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whittemore- Durgin, just south of Boston. I occasionally make the two hour drive to go there. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:13:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.apple.com!karens From: Karen Schroeder To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: more creative storage Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 11:01:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199802041902.LAA28672@scv3.apple.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 2/3/98 3:24 PM Carol Swann said: >I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open >side is towards me. Delurking for a moment. This suggestion alone is worth the price of admission. Thank you Carol. I'll be hitting the yard sales this weekend. As long as I am out of hiding I'll introduce myself. My name is Karen Schroeder, I live and have my in-house glass studio in Benicia California (surrounded on all sides by flooded areas but I'm dry so far). I have been "doing glass" for almost 3 years. Mostly foil - sun catchers, lamps (panel and "tiffany") and small to medium free-hanging panels (the largest so far is 2' x 3'). I'm dying to do a couple of windows for my mother if I can talk her into it. I just started a business last October - Hummingbird Designs. Went through the whole business license, seller's permit, DBA dance. But it was worth it. I have accounts at two semi-local wholesalers (Franciscan Glass in Mountain View and Bendheim West in Oakland) where I purchase all of my glass and one mail-order wholesaler (Art Glass House in Florida) where I purchase just about everything except glass. I have my work in a local art & craft gallery, renting a booth for $50 per month. Sales have been slow. I think that glass is a bit "high end" for this gallery. Most of the work is more crafty - painted wood and dried flower type stuff (not that there is anything wrong with that - to quote Seinfeld). Thanks for all of the great ideas and suggestions. Maybe someday I'll have an idea to contribute. Until then, back to lurker mode. Karen The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better," so I bought a Macintosh. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.9198.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elizabeth- Now that we've figured out how it's really pronounced, let's comment on how it SHOULD be pronounced. I'm personally in favor of: "Yo - heeny" On second thought, maybe this is not such a good thread - we'll probably drive Howard crazy! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.91922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Howard- When you have four hundred = folks in on the same conversation, you're bound to get some repeats. (and I don't mean multiple postings!) It might SEEM to get boring, but if you go beyond the words to the people who are posting, you = actually get to know them as real spirits... not just words on the Internet. Try it, you'll like it! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.91924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah- We don't know of anyone who has died of lead poisoning from working in the stained glass industry. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:37:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Forgive me for asking a redundant question! Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:52:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.19503.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 13:29:16 EST, you write: << Please read archives before asking questions that have been answered many,many times before. Jazzykid@tir.com >> First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042008.PAA05758@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth...... Sorry I thought that Beanie Babies were multi-cultural. Trancontientinal. Toutes les Pays. OK....her goes/ Beanie Babys are little stuffed animals about 7 or 8 inches filled with something reminding you of a bean bag. Happen to be alot of "collectors", and I use the term losely, here in the states. The animals range from dogs to zebras. And even a Princess Di bear (which I happen to think is a sic form of marketing). Now what till you hear this one....prices range from $6.00 to hundreds of dollars for retired (ones they don't sell anymore to create a desire and higher price.) ones. Hmmm.....maybe the idea is here just needs to be fine tuned. Lets see Princess Di stained glass roses. We'll start them at about 15.00 and leap the price up to the thousands by the end of the week. ( Only joshing.... Just a sic comment on society). my best, pj >Hey PJ, >What is a "Beanie Baby"??? >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! > > >They even sell beanie babies! > >Just a Monday morning thought. > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller video Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:14:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042014.PAA06150@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote, >Since some of you were interesting in someone taping Miller's >presentation in Massachusetts on the 19th ... and because I was >unfamiliar with him ... I asked around. > >Turns out he's quite well known -- except by me, I guess. The >people I spoke with said he puts on a terrific show, is quite aware >of the value of the show he puts on, and that getting permission to >videotape is extremely unlikely, alas. I don't know about videoing him at the cathedral. Personallly I was always so overwhelmed with his person and knowledge that picture taking was the last thing on my mind. One thing I must say also for anyone attending. Buy his book and get him to autograph it for you. Or buy copies. I give them as gifts to friends who are glass lovers. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042016.PAA06246@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, > >We don't know of anyone who has >died of lead poisoning from working >in the stained glass industry. > Neither do we. And we've been around a long time. Most people we know that have gotten ill was from silicosis. my best, pj> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042021.PAA06585@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >When you have four hundred = > >folks in on the same conversation, >you're bound to get some repeats. >(and I don't mean multiple postings!) >It might SEEM to get boring, but >if you go beyond the words to the >people who are posting, you = > >actually get to know them as >real spirits... not just words on the >Internet. Try it, you'll like it! > >And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, who has a husband,...... my best, pj.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042024.PAA06798@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I Margaret wrote, First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and >years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. > >What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our >narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. > As long as its not about stepping stones (only kidding!!) I think that if a question is redundant and asked and answered to death. Most people will direct the person asking the question to the archives or answer off group. I don't think we need any more grounds rules than common sense. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > We don't know of anyone who has > died of lead poisoning from working > in the stained glass industry. I missed the beginning of this thread, I think. You're not saying lead is safe, are you? I know a few old heads in the stained glass world who are certifiable ... is *that lead-related? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Boston,MA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and > years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. Personally, I don't mind answering the same question again. I might then point you to the archives for additional info, since you might be unaware of them. Sorry you were taken to task just for asking. I've been answering the same questions since 1973, having started working with glass in 1968 and in those five years learned a couple of things I could answer. I was so proud to have any answers at all. There's still a lot I don't know, though. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042016.PAA06246@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, > >We don't know of anyone who has >died of lead poisoning from working >in the stained glass industry. > Neither do we. And we've been around a long time. Most people we know that have gotten ill was from silicosis. my best, pj> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:32:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Redundant Question? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199802042124.NAA22568@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn, You have no need to apologize, you could not have known your question was redundant. Please forgive the rudeness of some of the people on this list, fortunately they are in the minority! Hang in there and ask away, that is what the list is for. For every one who won't (or can't) answer a question, there are 10 more who can, and will! Thanks to all of the 'old timers' who patiently respond to the same questions over and over, as well as point us in the right direction to find more answers. Jean ---------- > From: Lyn Butler > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Boston, MA > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 5:37 AM > > Forgive me for asking a redundant question! > > Lyn > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: postings Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.53137.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk For my own organizational skills, I like to see the current message at the top. Then if I can't remember what the comment is referring to, I can read on, to refresh my memory. But you won't see me doing that. I use netscape and I haven't figured out how to force it to let me print before the message. I should think that if anything is costing us more money, it would be all the dulicate posting. So any of you computer gurus out there in bungiland have the answer for us. My dulicate postings are not confined to bungi. Is this because we are using two mail servers? I use netscape and my ISP's program. Could it also be, that I don't trash my messages until after I have deleted 100 or so? Or is it beyond our control, as someone suggested, because some company is trying to make it seem like they handle alot more mail than they really do? Should we contact our own ISPs to look into this problem? Or do we just learn to live with it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042021.PAA06585@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >When you have four hundred = > >folks in on the same conversation, >you're bound to get some repeats. >(and I don't mean multiple postings!) >It might SEEM to get boring, but >if you go beyond the words to the >people who are posting, you = > >actually get to know them as >real spirits... not just words on the >Internet. Try it, you'll like it! > >And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, who has a husband,...... my best, pj.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:55:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:54:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only bad question is the unasked question... Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042024.PAA06798@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I Margaret wrote, First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and >years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. > >What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our >narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. > As long as its not about stepping stones (only kidding!!) I think that if a question is redundant and asked and answered to death. Most people will direct the person asking the question to the archives or answer off group. I don't think we need any more grounds rules than common sense. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:33:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.20330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Lyn, I live in Cape Cod, Mass. Unfortunately i know of no Glass shops near Boston. I do know of Whittemore Durgin,of Hanover,Mass. It is about forty minutes down the highway south of boston. I also shop at Stained glass emporium of Rehoboth ,Mass. That one is a small retail shop/studio that is about forty five minutes from the cape.. beyond New bedford and Dartmouth,Mass. I usually do alot of my buying mail order because these places don't always carry what I like. I would also be interested in Kowing if there were any good glass shops in the boston/southshore area other than these. Hope this helps somewhat,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:05:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: postings Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:13:28 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > For my own organizational skills, I like to see the current message at > the top. Then if I can't remember what the comment is referring to, I > can read on, to refresh my memory. Different strokes. What you suggest is fine; I prefer to comment below the snipped text, but I delete whatever text isn't necessary ... only keeping that which I'm commenting on. > someone suggested, because some company is trying to make it seem like > they handle alot more mail than they really do? Should we contact our > own ISPs to look into this problem? Or do we just learn to live with it? It's happened before, isn't your fault, will eventually clear up. Just delete the stuff you've read before (kinda like pressing the "Mute" button the the remote) and move on to the next message. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042152.QAA29022@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I occasionally get duplicate postings but not every day and usually it is contained to one or maybe two users. If you are using two programs though, check to make sure that both of them is marked to delete the messages from the server. Otherwise you will see the message once in the ISP mail package and once in Netscape. I havent used Netscape mail package and your ISPs package could be one in a million different ones so you may need to check with them. In eudora, under Special, Switches mark sure the box besides "leave mail on server" is not checked. Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "You're not saying lead is safe, are you?" Gads, no, Albert! But, someone = questioned whether we knew anyone who had gotten sick from or died from lead poisoning working in stained glass. We don't know of anyone (except, of course, Elisabeth's friend). Makes me wonder the number of fatalities in the industry itself. Any statistics? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I think common sense is a good = ground rule. And it would probably include characteristics like kindness, patience, consideration, good manners... although those aren't too common = anymore.... maybe "good" sense would be a better ground rule. Best regards from cold, cloudy Colorado! Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "and the beat goes on" Sony and Cher It amazes me the way that people are sometimes, It seems at times like the vultures flock at the first sign of an injury and attack in groups. What I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, maybe we all should edit a little more, but looking at my mail then there are many others who should as well why single a concerned and regular contributor, and if volume is a problem then why isn't there more concern about anecdotes, stories, and off topic material. One person is criticized and the piranhas seem to attack the individual rather than the topic. We all need to be concerned a little more with treating each other with respect, and I shall keep repeating this as long as it goes on. This happened to Albert, Howard, and others. I say lighten up, be gentler. I remember when I got this response when trying to smooth out my E mail format > "Windat files are unnecessary to any of us and make you look like a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the side of kindness! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:45:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.224513.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk something happened with the mail I was sending.....sorry for the excess postings, but aol is acting up by sending the mail before I could type in my response to the person who asked. "Ouroborus" is the mythological multi-colored rainbow snake that by legend encircles th world/universe. Just a bit of trivia, but this glass company is well named ! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:40:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.22406.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 23:12:05 EST, you write: << I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:51:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.63246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk You spiked my interest on this one, so I pulled out my medical books and found very little on the subject. Most care info is for acute ingestion. Which of course is life threatening. Didn't mention cumulative properties, but I am sure that lead poisoning is cumulative. The two main causes of lead poisoning is eating paint for children and work hazzards for adults, siting solder as one of those. Symptoms of lead poisoning are a result of chronic ingestion or inhalation of lead-bearing products. Lead poisoning is most commonly seen in children exhibiting pica(mulitple bruises the size of skin pores, usually seen in the mouth)behaviors but also occurs in adults who have chronically inhaled fumes from motor fuels, batteries, and paints. Accidental ingestion can occur from serving acidic liquids from lead-glazed pottery or antique pewter. Lead salts are absorbed by the blood, interfere with hemoglobin production and destroy kidney and brain tissue. Mental retardation is permanent in children with CNS(central nervous system) involvement. Increased lead levels (>15-50mg/100ml) This info from a 1990 copyright Nursing Care Plans book Chief Complaint: (this is for acute, not sure if it is the same chronic my guess is they would be similiar. Motor disturbances: paralysis following seizure, cerebellar ataxia, hemiplegia, decerebrate rigidity, facial or oculomotor paralysis. Seizures: general or focal Sensory deviations: polyneuritis Altered Levels of Consciousness: lethargy, coma, delirium Physical Exam: Symptoms of acute increased intracranial pressure; optic atrophy, anemia; wristdrop, footdrop. This is from a 1982 Nurse's Reference Library series. Whatever the degree of risk, the outcome forces us to take all the precautions we can. If you are exposed to the above degree of symptoms, then there is a treatment. Notice I say treatment. A drug that binds the lead to it and is then excreted in the urine can be given IV, with of course, lots of IV fluids to wash it out of your system. But if these symptoms appear over a long period of time, then I suspect the lead can not be washed out of your body and the only thing you can do, is, change your life style and learn to live with whatever problems it caused. When the lead binds to blood cells, it interupts their work. Seems to mainly attact the nervous system. Then it will destroy the kidneys, because that is where the body sends this offending agent to get rid of it. I wouldn't lie awake at night worrying about it, but I would certainly recommend taking all the wonderful advise that has been given here at bungi. And if you want to know what the big words mean, ask me off bungi and I will be glad to tell you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:55:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6567.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Perhaps a department (file) called the redundancy department of redundancy files may be needed to put the redundant post in so one could check from time to time to see if there are any new redundant files. :>) 'nuf from me....I have a lily to finish! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:55:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:40:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.64041.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > It's happened before, isn't your fault, will eventually clear up. You mean it is all happening in cyberspace? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:39:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.223945.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 23:12:05 EST, you write: << I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.13611.0> References: <<1998Feb4.20330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm in Sagamore Beach. Where in Cape Cod are you from, Judy? Susan IMN2GLASS2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Lyn, > I live in Cape Cod, Mass. Unfortunately i know of no Glass shops near > Boston. > I do know of Whittemore Durgin,of Hanover,Mass. It is about forty minutes down > the highway south of boston. I also shop at Stained glass emporium of Rehoboth > ,Mass. > That one is a small retail shop/studio that is about forty five minutes from > the cape.. > beyond New bedford and Dartmouth,Mass. I usually do alot of my buying mail > order because these places don't always carry what I like. I would also be > interested in Kowing if there were any good glass shops in the > boston/southshore area other than these. Hope this helps somewhat,Judy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:56:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042152.QAA29022@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I occasionally get duplicate postings but not every day and usually it is contained to one or maybe two users. If you are using two programs though, check to make sure that both of them is marked to delete the messages from the server. Otherwise you will see the message once in the ISP mail package and once in Netscape. I havent used Netscape mail package and your ISPs package could be one in a million different ones so you may need to check with them. In eudora, under Special, Switches mark sure the box besides "leave mail on server" is not checked. Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:56:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:56:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.175619.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all responses to my question re: shops in and around Boston. Most helpful. My daughter thanks you all too. Appreciatively, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:00:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.135955.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What about SwissCheesed GlassWerks? - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: February 4, 1998 6:13 PM Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? >something happened with the mail I was sending.....sorry for the excess >postings, but aol is acting up by sending the mail before I could type in my >response to the person who asked. > "Ouroborus" is the mythological multi-colored rainbow snake that by >legend encircles th world/universe. Just a bit of trivia, but this glass >company is well named ! > ~Alison~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "You're not saying lead is safe, are you?" Gads, no, Albert! But, someone = questioned whether we knew anyone who had gotten sick from or died from lead poisoning working in stained glass. We don't know of anyone (except, of course, Elisabeth's friend). Makes me wonder the number of fatalities in the industry itself. Any statistics? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:12:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:11:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.0119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Okay. Everyone has been commenting on receiving duplicate and triplicate posts but has anyone found out how to stop it from happening? Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:14:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.01432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. Thank you! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I think common sense is a good = ground rule. And it would probably include characteristics like kindness, patience, consideration, good manners... although those aren't too common = anymore.... maybe "good" sense would be a better ground rule. Best regards from cold, cloudy Colorado! Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:25:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "and the beat goes on" Sony and Cher It amazes me the way that people are sometimes, It seems at times like the vultures flock at the first sign of an injury and attack in groups. What I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, maybe we all should edit a little more, but looking at my mail then there are many others who should as well why single a concerned and regular contributor, and if volume is a problem then why isn't there more concern about anecdotes, stories, and off topic material. One person is criticized and the piranhas seem to attack the individual rather than the topic. We all need to be concerned a little more with treating each other with respect, and I shall keep repeating this as long as it goes on. This happened to Albert, Howard, and others. I say lighten up, be gentler. I remember when I got this response when trying to smooth out my E mail format > "Windat files are unnecessary to any of us and make you look like a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the side of kindness! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:31:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:23:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.02337.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susan ,I live on the Air national guard base,Wow we are close by too eachother...where do you get your glass? Email me anytime..Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:35:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.22354.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 22:15:26 EST, you write: << << Yock-a-gay-knee >> Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. ---- >> The Youghiogheny River runs through the nearby area, and is named for an indian tribe. I suppose the glass company took its name from the river. their logo is an indian head. But I was not aware of the correct pronunciation.......Thanks! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iscweb.com!sherrip From: Sherri Pierce To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------59B6197F5EAF" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf (head/shoulder view)] Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.93937.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pzaz Stained Glass Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------59B6197F5EAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, Just got your message about the wolf pattern. If you will call me with your address or E-mail, I will send you a color photo. I did a round about 18" and a large piece - 3'....Thanks to Suzan Haley for your request. The small pattern is 5.95 plus $1.00 ship/hand. The large one is $25.00 plus 3.00 ship/hand. I do not get to play with this computer much...I'm not too literate either. But I peck away at it. Sherri --------------59B6197F5EAF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from betty.mfi.com (198.71.19.36) by iscweb.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0b10); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:19:27 -0800 Received: from sf-mail.mfi.com by betty.mfi.com (8.8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA26681; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by sf-mail.mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878656806; Tue, 04 Nov 97 07:20:09 -0800 Message-Id: <9711048786.AA878656806@sf-mail.mfi.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 07:19:57 -0800 From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Subject: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf (head/shoulder view) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: R X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Carol, Contact Sherri Pierce, Pzaz Glass Studios, Petaluma, CA (Phone: 707 763-6220). e-mail address: sherrip@iscweb.com Also has a web page: http://www.artglassworld.com/studio/pzaz/ Mary Ellen is her assistant. Sherri has a pattern book available - Expressions in Glass. Recently has been doing quite a few designs re endangered species. I was in her shop last month when she had just finished a stunning wolf (shoulder/head view). Eyes were amazing. At that time she was going to send the pattern, picture of finished work, etc. into Stain Glass Quarterly. Give her a call, great artist, great shop! Suzanne Haley ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Paterns or picture of wolf Author: at Internet Date: 11/3/97 5:03 PM Hi : From another lurker! A little nervous about sending this request, as I am am quite computer illiterate. Would anyone know where I could find a wolf pattern that could be done in copper foil? Thanks in advance. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------59B6197F5EAF-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: penguin pattern Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:20:52 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050112.RAA02412@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susie, Following is a list of a bunch of suncatcher penguins I have found over the past few years. I believe all these books/patterns are still available: 6" penguin, in "Sundancers, 1st Edition", by Donna Eller (a book of 62 suncatcher patterns). Three different sizes (4"-10") of penguins (with scarf & cap) in "Simply Christmas", by Suzanne Cooper. Two (4" & 5") in "Scrap Happy", by Frankye & Suzy. A pair in "Vanishing Wildlife", by Renee Martig. A mother & baby (about 8") in, "Dreamin' On", by Kathleen. And, the largest I have found, is a single pattern (not in a book) by Aurora Publications, "#F30 Penguin on the Town", about 12"-13" tall. Jean jean@lasercom.net California ---------- > From: SusieHUs@aol.com > > Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a > few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because > I'm a beginner. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:22:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:22:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.12230.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 19:40:14 EST, you write: << Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. Thank you! Susie ---- >> Hello Susie, There is a simple pattern for a penguin in the pattern book "Scrap happy" by Frankye Cartner and Suzy Pomeroy, (Published by Suzy Cooper) on page 11. (gee,all these people named Suzy !!) If you take the penguin out of the design and do it seperately, I think it is exactly what you are looking for. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: penguin patterns Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:30:40 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050122.RAA02775@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Opps! Found another penguin pattern (about 7 1/2") in, "Images by Terra", set #1014. Jean@lasercom.net California --------------- Susie wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:49:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:29:36 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.182936.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, This is Gloria.. Some you expressed that you were having e mail = problems with my mail.. I have received my replies back from me with no = problems.. I have Microsoft Outlook.. I would like to reply back to the = group, but do not want to cause you problems.. Any help and suggestions = would be ap reciated. Thanks,=20 Gloria (from 3hounds) Also, I agree with the person today who said he had problems sending = directly to the "glass@bungi.com" address, I also could not connect.. = In fact this message I composed over a week ago and found it just now = when I was deleting my Delete Items box. The first message came back = undeliverable.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 18:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: vets and cats Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:59:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.15940.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:12:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "lydia" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.171850.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. > >Albert > Me Three ...(hehehe...) Lydia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:13:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.94213.0> References: <<1998Feb5.01432.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Glassmith Studios Has 3 delightful easy penquin patterns. I believe it is in their Work in Progress pattern book. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:26:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:24:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050324.WAA15099@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that >include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe >just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. Sorry, no, never seen either vet or cat with hand. Maybe you could take a cat (there's some good ones out there) and insert hand on cat's head? Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:27:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:27:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:26:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.32649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 14:46:50 EST, you write: << Forgive me for asking a redundant question! Lyn >> You don't need to be forgiven for the question you asked. You had every right to ask it....keep asking questions. If the only questions on bungi were ones that had never been asked before the posts would be few and far between. Hang in here Lynn!! I couldn't believe the response you received. If it wasn't for help from most of the people on bungi I would still be lost in cyberspace and would not have learned some better techniques or different ones. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:32:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:33:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050331.WAA15568@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'll bite on this one too! Cardboard beer case bottoms (they are about 18 inches long, 12 inches wide and have 2-3 inch sides on them) make good shallow containers for scrap glass. If you drink enough beer (!!) you could have one for every color in the rainbow. My whole bookcase-lined wall is filled with these things. I sort them not only by color, but by antique, waterglass, gluechip, spectrum wispy, etc.) Works out well for me. Suzanne (disclaimer: married to the beer drinker!!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:37:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050337.WAA16013@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote: >>It might SEEM to get boring, but >>if you go beyond the words to the >>people who are posting, you = >> >>actually get to know them as >>real spirits... not just words on the >>Internet. Try it, you'll like it! And pj wrote: >>And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, >who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has >high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, >who has a husband,...... Suzanne writes: Right on, Dani & pj! We are all spirits first, glass artists second. And I know two who have a great sense of humor! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FW: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173744.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria- The only thing I notice is =3D signs at the end of all your sentences, but who am I to talk with the CompuServe formatting problems I have?!! It's a = drag and now my spelling is going down the tubes.... life is hard. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173736.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk More trivia - there is also a book entitled "The Worm Ouroboros" by E.R. Edison in which the worm symbolizes renewal or the cyclic nature of life. So, I guess a company that recycles some of their glass could appropriately be called that. Wished they'd spelled it the same - my memory's bad enough as it is! Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lyn- Just checked in Common Ground:Glass (the IGGA publication) and they list ten members in Mass. who may or may not have retail shops - it's hard to tell from the name and address. I suspect they're = probably also on the IGGA home page, but Albert could probably tell you more about that. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Board ideas Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:36:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.143646.0> References: <<1998Feb3.13531.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk What about doing cutouts of the knights, rooks, kings, queens, etc, using a Taurus Ring Saw, then foiling around the edge and soldering at a 90 degree angle to a small foiled glass circle or something? I KNOW that this is a bit of a 'cheat', but I thought it might start the ball rolling, so to speak... I too would LOVE to make a stained glass chess set! Let's see what the co-op can come up with eh, anyone else? V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-03 08:49:08 EST, you write: > > << This was just an experiment with scrap glass I > had in my box:)) >> > > Yes, but look at all the interest there is in chessboards and now it's gone on > to the actual chess pieces, all being made out of glass. This is something > I've been pondering myself, as it seems, so have a few others. Thanks for > getting it started. > > Lu Ann > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Windows for sale Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.17341.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all. I got a call from a Mr. Everett Cassidy informing me of some windows that the Catholic Diocese of Wyoming is looking to sell and I promised to help out. Fairly simple windows with painted religious symbols at the top. (They are also interested in any info including value or maker of the windows.) We do not buy old windows here and know little about appraisal so I have posted them on a web page at: www.dodgestudio.com/wndosale.htm If you want to take a look, the page is just plain spartan, but the pix are there along with the information about how to contact Mr. Cassidy. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:49:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:48:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:47:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.144753.0> References: <<1998Feb3.409.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? TIA! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- >mike peck wrote: > > Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds > of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of > course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible > colors. But, it's an idea. > > Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:01:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.145621.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. [ROFLOL!] Anyone for quads?? V T Phelps > ---- >Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > > from and we can be done with it. > > Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. > > Albert > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:21:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.152151.0> References: <<1998Feb4.102312.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk There's a fabulously funny catalog I get from a place in Rockland, MA known as Whittemore-Durgin's. They sell retail, (but also sell wholesale only to 'qualified' buyers.) You take Rte. 3 South from Boston to the Cape, get off at Exit 14-for Rte. 123/Hingham St. Follow Hingham St. 2mi & it crosses Water St., then go 1 more mi and take a left onto Market St. right after the railroad tracks. Go down Market St. about a mile and it's 825 Market St., on your right across from Pace's Gas. Phone #617/871-1790. Happy hunting! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- >Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, <> > Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is > working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass > shops there or near there. She only just got there so she hasn't had a > chance to look but you can tell where her priorities are. That's my > girl! When she goes home on weekends she does her glass work. > > Thanks for any help, > Lyn > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:26:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:26:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 23:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050425.XAA21191@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: >Perhaps a department (file) called the redundancy department of redundancy >files may be needed to put the redundant post in so one could check from >time to time to see if there are any new redundant files. :>) Suzanne replies: My nomination is to nominate that the redundancy department of redundancy find a director to direct all redundant posts to their correctly redundant department of correctness. That way we could have all our redundancies (and also our glass scraps, both redundant and non-redundant) in their correctly redundant files. Redundantly yours, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:02:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:33:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.18333.0> References: <>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Silica Dust!!! It has long been my thought that the biggest exposure most hobbyists get is not from the grinder, but from drying the ground pieces in towels and then leaving them around the studio shedding silica dust all around. Each ground piece should be immediately placed into water and washed off before drying. It also helps to wet your floors a bit with a spray bottle if you sweep with a broom. As for lead ....... Some years ago I visited the Canfield factory. I was very surprised to see large vats of molten lead and solder, and all of the workers walking around without masks. I inquired as to how OSHA didn't protest and was told that at the temperatures at which solder is made and worked with lead did not vaporize and was not considered a hazard. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com >> >> I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a >blood test >> if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you >ever had >> a blood test come back positive for high lead? >> >> I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now >take >> precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years >without >> paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested >positive, and >> I have never met anyone who has. >> >> >> >> , and hearing less about more immediate health >risks >> like silica dust or even fire prevention. >> >> What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? >> >> Sarah >> > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:06:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:05:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:03:52, -0500 Message-ID: <199802050503.AAA08072@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? TIA! Well maybe I am about to learn something. I think it is to hard but here goes. 1. I do not know of an easy way to create molds that will make a 3-D chess figure. The glass would need to be heated to much higher than the typical fusing temp of about 1500'F. 2. You could make an open face mold and slump into it but the impression would be slight and one sided. The greater the detail the greater the undesirable mold markings. 3. Fusing a figure from several different glasses is a basic fusing technique but the figure would likely be one sided (depending on design). 4. You could fuse 3. above on, say, a piece of clear and allow the bottom 1/2" of the clear to over hang the shelf thereby creating a bend at 90' for a stand up base. This approach is my best bet. I welcome any other ideas. Bob (with a kiln firing right now). ____ Bob Duchesneau (Freeway's mother) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050516.VAA16996@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I really should take a quick trip down South and see this guy. It can't be over 45 min. South of here, part way to San Diego. ---------- > From: BOB DUCHESNEAU > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:03 PM > > WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a > favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then > be > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:37:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133755.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i will second it... weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:39:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050531.VAA17893@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ooops! Sent to Bungi in error. Please ignore. ---------- > From: Jean > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:24 PM > > > I really should take a quick trip down South and see this guy. It can't be > over 45 min. South of here, part way to San Diego. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:41:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.134038.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My son has an iguana who is aptly called UROBOROS....it sits on his monitor, so it be a monitor lizard! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:42:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.134224.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gloria, reply to me DIRECTLY...I am using Outlook Express and I will post back with some of their "stock" wallpapers for a test! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:46:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.13464.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk driving Howard crazy is often times a SHORT (errr....politically incorrect) ride. should use abbreviated in place of..... A plus about having my "mail" presorted is the TRASH................. as an aside, I have had NO trouble since I loaded and started using Outlook Express. IE4 is pretty good, too. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 22:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:31:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Blood Tests for Le Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.195947.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Long--Answer to Sarah Hi Everyone, > I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test > if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had > a blood test come back positive for high lead? < You bet. Again and again. I've been taking calls from craftspeople including stained glass workers since 1977 and many stained glass workers are having problems. Most often, however, it is their children that having high lead counts just from living in a house where the craft was done. If you need literature, you can start with an early paper: Landrigan P.J., Tamblyn P.B., Nelson M., Kerndt P., Kronoveter K.J., Zack M.M., "Lead exposure in stained glass workers. American Journal of Industrial Medicine 1(2): 177-180 [1980] And you might want to talk to Bill Cummings, Cummings Studio in North Adams, Mass. whose studio meets that OSHA Lead Standard. They do regular blood lead and air sampling tests on their workers. > I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take > precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without > paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and > I have never met anyone who has. < You don't test "positive" for lead. All people have lead in their blood. What you need to know is how much lead was in your blood in your last test. In addition, tests must be taken while you are working with lead regularly. After about two weeks, most of the lead from your blood has deposited in your bones and tissues and will not register on a blood test. People who don't work with lead or live in contaminated environments usually have blood leads in the range of 1-3 micrograms per deciliter (ug/dL) or 0.05-0.14 micromoles/liter (ummol/dL) if you are getting your tests done in Canada. I live in a NYC lead painted apartment on a busy street and I'm up to about 4 ug/dL. If you are above this, you are getting some contribution from your work. Children at 10 ug/dL are losing IQ points. Adults probably are too, but its hard to measure adult IQ changes. At 15 ug/dL, medical professionals are supposed to "intervene" if children have blood leads this high. And adult should also take immediate action to reduce exposure. At either 20 or 25 ug/dL, most states will forward your tests results to be entered in the Centers for Disease Control data bank for surveillance of lead toxicity in adults. The question is: where are you in this spectrum? > This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly > take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't > absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out > foreign matter, and it works pretty well.< We don't know how much it contributes, but lead goes right thought the skin. The only study of this phenomena was done in 1988. I have the whole study and it was also discussed in Lancet, Issue 16, July 1988. If you'd like a copy, let me know. > So we either inhale it or ingest it, and how much really gets in your > mouth?< Soldering creates an invisible lead fume particle that can be inhaled. This particle will also contaminate the workspace, your hair, clothing, etc. Ingestion occurs when small amounts are transferred from hands to food. > We seem to spend a lot of time worrying about lead, and hearing less > about more immediate health risks like silica dust or even fire prevention.< You don't have silica exposures in stained glass normally. Glass is a silicate and doesn't cause silicosis. Lead is a much more serious long-term problem. And women who get pregnant, mobilize that lead they've stored in their bones and provide it to the fetus. It makes no sense for women to take this attitude toward lead. > What do you guys say? Sheeshh. Amazing and depressing. > Am I alone in this viewpoint? < I profoundly hoped you were, but I saw a couple other posts from people as misinformed as you are. Very scary. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 22:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:49:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:48:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't knowwhere the name came from, but the Staunton designisthe only design acceptable in tourementchess It is the one were the pawns have the little ball onthe top, the bishop has a ball on the top, is taller and has a slit in it. The peices re distinctive and easy to differentiate from each other. I eprsonally prefer something prettier On 4 Feb 98, Toby wrote: > been planning to do a chess board (for myself). To make the chess > pieces as well (perhaps in other materials...?) sounds absolutely > delicious! Staunton Pattern. Staunton WHO?? Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: "Glenn Spicer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:04:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hear Hear. Well said!! On 4 Feb 98, Glenn Spicer wrote: > a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the > problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs > and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want > to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited > responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it > the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the > side of kindness! Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 02:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.18958.0> References: <<1998Feb4.133755.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I third it, is the motion carried Glenna? Shall we send them to or , hmmmm? [with a VBG] V T Phelps > ---- >Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > i will second it... > > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:15:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: lead poisoning: I fear beating a dead horse Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.14027.0> References: <<34D9164C.4D73@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. > I got like 16,000 hits. > I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. > But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot > more to think about. > You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. > http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm > http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:16:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:16:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Silicosis Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:52:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.135232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Seems like us stepping stone makers have a double whammy on this one. Found two sites with info on this one: http://www.osha.sle.gov/OshDoc/Fact_data/FSN96-54.html http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/as/28249.html Anything else hazzardous in this field you want me to find a site about? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning: I fear beating a dead horse Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.93052.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. I got like 16,000 hits. I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot more to think about. You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (Fwd) Blood Tests for Le Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.15115.0> References: <<1998Feb4.195947.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > You don't have silica exposures in stained glass normally. Glass is a > silicate and doesn't cause silicosis. Please please tell me this also goes for those of us who use our grinders as our second glass cutter. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:15:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: lead poisening Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:14:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050806.AAA23642@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. > I got like 16,000 hits. > I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. > But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot > more to think about. > You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. > http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm > http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm > Seems like us stepping stone makers have a double whammy on this one. > Found two sites with info on this one: > http://www.osha.sle.gov/OshDoc/Fact_data/FSN96-54.html > http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/as/28249.html > Anything else hazzardous in this field you want me to find a site about? > ---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:29:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 08:31:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199802050828.IAA26686@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, what editing! ;-) brevity Mike thats what we want Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where on Cape Cod? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Just checked in Common Ground:Glass > (the IGGA publication) and they list ten > members in Mass. who may or may not > have retail shops - it's hard to tell from the > name and address. I suspect they're = > > probably also on the IGGA home page, > but Albert could probably tell you more > about that. We've been posting the newest members, but not the entire list ... I've been thinking about putting up the entire list, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:06:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Makes > me wonder the number of fatalities > in the industry itself. Any statistics? Not from me ... Monona maybe. I think most instances are hushed up; too horrible to discuss, company wouldn't want it known, etc. There *was a report a few years ago about a glassmaker who ate a spoonful of arsenic as a way of committing suicide (horrible, horrible!), but the company very quickly began denying that had happened, no surprise. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:06:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I welcome any other ideas. Bob (with a kiln firing right now). Pate de verre will produce 3-dimensional pieces. Whole 'nuther glass technique, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:06:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? Yes, thanks. Your membership kit's on the way. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:09:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 09:11:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199802050908.JAA29358@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote >What >I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, > maybe we all should edit a little more It's true that we should all pay attention to editing - but I think the reason that mike has borne the brunt of this is that this whole thread is a repeat of one that occured - about a year ago - I think, and his attitude at that time was the same as it is this time - that's the way I do it so there! even if those quoting multiple replies would remove the >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Part from each message it would help! Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 03:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:49:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:55:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very short comments to them. What people want is for you to be considerate, to clip only a very short bit of any message, just that bit that you're responding to, adding your response to it. They won't have any trouble following your thread. Since you're convinced that what you're doing is all right, that you're fine and everyone else is wrong ... your attitude for months, years even ... it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, the thoughtful thing to try to get along and avoid angering and frustrating everyone else -- not to mention cost them money (I'm thinking of the UK participants here), this is what I suggest: You do whatever you want (as if) and the rest of us can either: 1. set filters so that we don't even *see messages from you 2. ignore your continuing rudeness and get back to talking glass The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:37:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802051337.IAA24166@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote, > >There *was a report a few years ago about a glassmaker who ate a >spoonful of arsenic as a way of committing suicide (horrible, >horrible!), but the company very quickly began denying that had >happened, no surprise. Must have been dealing with some of our interior designers. my best, pj (who loves all of our clients) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:43:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@BUNGI.COM'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Skyhooks Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.33812.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Monkey wrenches and T-Squares come in left and right handedness...Sky hook are universal.... Linda Dani said: Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:53:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802051353.IAA24765@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Danie worte, >Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I was not lurking.....I was selectivly reading. Glad to hear you spelling is going too. Wonder if it has to do with glass? Or solder fumes? Maybe they attach themselves to the part of you brain that makes you able to think, spell and typeat the same time.. I can also chew gum at the same time so I didn't think that was it. Ah ...I wonder if rambling has something to do with enviornmental conditions. I guess I'd better check the filter in the exhaust. my best, pj (today I will not judge) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:55:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 08:53:19 EST Message-ID: <980205.085436.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199802050425.XAA21191@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Suzanne-- i pride myself on having no redundant glass scraps. Redundant patterns, yes. Redundant files...I have a lot too many. But not glass scraps. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 06:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pronounce Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.41131.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Myrddn: >how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ?< Yauk-a-gay-nee is how we in the Philadelphia area pronounce it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 06:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:17:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pronounce Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.41546.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Myrddn: >how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ?< Yauk-a-gay-nee is how we in the Philadelphia area pronounce it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:59:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.45923.0> References: <<1998Feb5.15940.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Classydad@aol.com wrote: > > Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that > include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe > just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. > > Thanks. > ---- i know there are like a million cat designs out there, but the vet part may have to be customly done. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:08:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.5451.0> References: <<1998Feb4.144753.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a > favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be > fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I > don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is > structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too > awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply > offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? > > TIA! > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > > ---- > >mike peck wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds > > of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of > > course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible > > colors. But, it's an idea. > > > > Mike Peck > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hydrocal takes exellant detail but you can only fire it once. i tried slumping glass in a small form i made using filigree. one was a butterfly and it picked up all the minute lines. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I Like Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52143.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. > > What people want is for you to be considerate, to clip only a very > short bit of any message, just that bit that you're responding to, > adding your response to it. They won't have any trouble following > your thread. > > Since you're convinced that what you're doing is all right, that > you're fine and everyone else is wrong ... your attitude for months, > years even ... it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, > the thoughtful thing to try to get along and avoid angering and > frustrating everyone else -- not to mention cost them money (I'm > thinking of the UK participants here), this is what I suggest: > > You do whatever you want (as if) and the rest of us can either: > > 1. set filters so that we don't even *see messages from you > 2. ignore your continuing rudeness and get back to talking glass > > The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to > them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned > themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and > considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having > flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. > > Albert > the most anyone can be downloading at anyone time could'nt be anymore than a few K. text does'nt take up that much space, the triplicate posts take up way more than that. when i do respond it's almost always way more that a word or two, unless of course those are the only ones you read. i may respond to many things in the paragraph, and i'm not about to waste a bunch of time going through what i don't want in there. i say read if you want to or don't it's not terribly repeated, i've seen worse. i've seen no qouting at all, do you like that? it's short is'nt it. a real pleasure to read. you don't need to scroll at all. you have no idea what they're replying about, but that's ok, becuase it's very edited. most of the texts that i'm replying to are a paragraph or so, are you telling me that your too lazy to scroll down to read the new stuff? the whole message could'nt be more than 1-2K. how short does it have to be? most people (including myself), download, read it, deleat it. but some messages i put aside. months later i may use them for reference, if it does'nt have the original statement in it, there may be no way of remembering what it was about. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:26:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:26:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:24:29 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: proposed new department" on Feb 5, 2:09, "NCScouter" writes:] > I third it, is the motion carried Glenna? > Shall we send them to or > , hmmmm? > [with a VBG] V T Phelps > > > > i will second it... Send them to your ISP (if it's duplicate msgs. you're talking about) -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52324.0> References: <<199802050828.IAA26686@mx0.rmplc.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Phil wrote: > > Mike Savad wrote > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > what editing! ;-) > > brevity Mike thats what we want > > Phil > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's nice....why? your going to read it and delete it anyway. is it becuase everyone has to scroll down a little, they don't want to move they're hand a little bit? i don't see the point. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.53841.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing principles. phil7 (I'll stand close to the monitor, absorbing all the electronic spears that will soon be chucked at me.) Albert Lewis wrote: > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: E Mail problems Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.65454.0> References: <<1998Feb4.182936.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Gloria and George. . . I have no problems with your messages. . .but I do get everything three times! Could it be because the bungi address appears three times in reply to, to and to again? Regards, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:02:13 -0600 Message-ID: <199802051548.JAA10469@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, >the thoughtful thing This is an unmoderated group in the sense that the list owner does not oversee and kill threads. The.... hints from Heloise segment.... and the.... you say "po-tay-toe" I say "po-tah-toe".... thread are sort of cyberspace convivialty things.. If you like it great......if not delete... I did But IMHO a high percentage of off topic and bearly relevent discussions the persist until every unlurker has thier say stifles the growth and maturation of Bungi. There are only a small percentage of buginians that post regularly. Most are lurkers who are subscribed to this list for a variety of reasons and I know from my own experience as a subscriber to a list that is devoted to a subject that I have a great passion for, but relatively speaking, very little knowledge of, that unless I have a proven positive fact from my own experience to contribute, I just lurk. I don't guess just to have something to say. I thoroughly enjoy this list. As a former "pro" it is a very pleasent diversion from my work-a-day world. It keeps me in contact with the goings on in the SG biz and I do appreciate that. Besides its a great place to procrastinate once in a while. :-) The tone and feel of bungi these days is more suited to a chat room or a newsgroup which is fine if thats how it evolves. If we are here to learn and elevate the craft and put Bungi in the position of being a premier dispenser of SG info on the net then alot of what gets discusssed is just wasted bandwidth to me. Just my 0.02...... Flame away Len In Wisconsin where El Nino is our friend ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:47:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.15472.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, One of the things I have discovered in the very short time that I have been doing stained glass is that preschool teacher manuals have large patterns in them that are very easy to convert to stained glass patterns. I know that in some of the pattern books they have people "in careers" including veterinarians. They also have pictures of cats. Though you probably wouldn't find them together in one picture. Also, from another craft I do, I have a small light table that is easy to use and inexpensive to buy for copying parts of patterns for suncatchers. Hope these ideas help you find the patterns that you want to do. Sincerely, Irene Mermelstein ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 08:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:39:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb5.03912.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It appears that we could all use better editing skills! See 'subject' area..this is NOT RE; "E-mail Ediquette" Also, all the signature additions to this make for a long (therefore costly to UK) post. Maybe we should all practice what we preach... and get back to glass! "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." -------------------------- ---Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? > > Yes, thanks. Your membership kit's on the way. > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association > 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 > (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 > _____________________________________________ > Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ > Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm > Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm > Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm > Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 08:43:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:40:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: CapAccess.org!rejones From: "Robert E. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb5.6478.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk When we last had the problem with this whole editting thing, I had a real PROBLEM with Mike's tag 'novel' It was, at that time, 13 or 14 lines of advertisement for his webpage. And in fairness to him, at that time there were a great number of people who just quoted the whole message to respond to just part of it. Some messages had the entire bungi tag as many as 5 times. Almost everyone has gotten better at editing. Enough about inane matters, let's talk glass. Bob Jones rejones@capaccess.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 08:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:50:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:48:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb5.04852.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This message bears repeating, I think a great many of the Bungi's missed it... or didn't understand it! ---Myrddn wrote: > > Hear Hear. Well said!! > > On 4 Feb 98, Glenn Spicer wrote: > > > ......comments like that make me not want > > to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited > > responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it > > the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the > > side of kindness! > Myrddn > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 08:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:52:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:17:05 -0600 Message-ID: <199802051603.KAA11982@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk - >that's nice....why? your going to read it and delete it anyway. is it >becuase everyone has to scroll down a little, they don't want to move >they're hand a little bit? i don't see the point. Mike, I think your problem might be that you move your hand up and down a little to much Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 08:59:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: CapAccess.org!rejones From: "Robert E. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:03:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb5.7330.0> References: <<1998Feb5.53841.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Philip McRae wrote: > I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. > There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing > principles. > > phil7 > (I'll stand close to the monitor, absorbing all the electronic spears > that will soon be chucked at me.) No spears just kudos. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:04:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:43:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199802051105.FAA04472@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. > There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing > principles. > I agree! There is no excuse for his being on the list. He can't edit messages and posts regularly. Why in the month of November '97 alone he: told us how to get 3-M samples for free explained the use of caulks answered a question about fabrique glass explained how to put stairs up the side of a lighthouse gave the url for a page on morse asked a question about venting lamps announced his very useful and interesting page update offered suggestions to a newbie on cutting curves gave tips on how to foil inside curves without splitting the foil described how to make frames for wedding invitations described how to sandwich dried flowers between glass explained the care of a taurus saw described how he disposes of grinder goop suggested alternate vendors for a light table described how to use mirror directed someone to gargoyle patterns helped someone diagnose "sticky goo" problems offered practical suggestions to someone who got a huge roll of plumbers solder explained patina and all it's colors to a newbie who asked told how he dealt with a leaking toyo cutter gave a step-by-step on decorative soldering to a newbie gave another newbie steps on keeping a good finish on solder pointed to directons for settup of a shop offered cutting tips described how to make a pattern for a black lab someone needed offered glass suggestions on the black lab He forgot to put down other's work and complain about irrelevant posts. He just seems to talk about glass, at least until he's pulled into another discussion by name. Hmmmm.....wonder why this is going to "glass@bungi.com?" Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:05:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: concrete editing suggestions Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051630.IAA31909@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm noticing a lot of mud being slung at Mike so no wonder he's being defensive. (Mike, I did poke a bit of fun at you myself early on...I'm hoping it wasn't interpreted as mud), and very little in the way of concrete advice about how/what could be edited by any member of this group who chooses to do so. So, here's a few things that I always do when I'm replying to someone. 1) edit out any tag lines on the original message, signatures, web pages, cute little sayings (some of which I quite enjoy before pressing the delete button), as well as the bungi tag line that was added to the original post. After all, it's not important to have the bungi tag line posted two or three times...and I know Dave's computer will add it again. It's also not important to repeat someone's signature line...several of us (myself included) have signature lines that are 2,3 or more lines, and why repeat that over and over???? 2) sometimes I change the subject line if the thread has strayed completely from whatever the subject line says. 3) I scan over the message briefly and delete any paragraphs or lines that don't apply to what I'm going to be talking about. I make sure that what I leave does convey the flavour of what prompted me to respond so readers can pick up on the thought process. 4) I add in my message (and here, I know I'm at fault as I often type in runon sentences, and I know my gramattical editing could be better...I already flagellate myself on that after I've pushed the send button, so don't do it for me ) 5) I scan over the message to make sure that it will be intelligible to someone following the thread I'm replying to and hit the send button. Speaking personally, I'm more than willing to take the few seconds it takes to tidy things up (not just for the UK folk who pay for their phone lines by the minute, plus their ISP fees), but for all of us who are working full time plus...those who have glass as a second business, as well as those of us whose studios support us (and I think we all work more than 40 hr a week anyway). It's a function of life in the 90s that everything has to be abbreviated and brief so we can cram everything into a day we need to. Carol Swann (who hopes this helps to smooth troubled waters, rather than contribute to the storm) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:12:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pick-On-Mike Project Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:11:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051703.JAA07255@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This type of 'flame' would not be allowed on most other lists, and should not be allowed on Bungi! It serves no useful purpose to the list! In fact, it is detrimental to the well-being of the group. Let's get back to glass, remembering the childhood adage, "If you can't say something nice about someone, say nothing at all!" ---------- > From: len alcamo > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Mike's Projects > Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 8:17 AM > > > Mike, I think your problem might be that you move your hand up and down a > little to much > > Len > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I Like Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52143.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. > > What people want is for you to be considerate, to clip only a very > short bit of any message, just that bit that you're responding to, > adding your response to it. They won't have any trouble following > your thread. > > Since you're convinced that what you're doing is all right, that > you're fine and everyone else is wrong ... your attitude for months, > years even ... it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, > the thoughtful thing to try to get along and avoid angering and > frustrating everyone else -- not to mention cost them money (I'm > thinking of the UK participants here), this is what I suggest: > > You do whatever you want (as if) and the rest of us can either: > > 1. set filters so that we don't even *see messages from you > 2. ignore your continuing rudeness and get back to talking glass > > The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to > them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned > themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and > considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having > flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. > > Albert > the most anyone can be downloading at anyone time could'nt be anymore than a few K. text does'nt take up that much space, the triplicate posts take up way more than that. when i do respond it's almost always way more that a word or two, unless of course those are the only ones you read. i may respond to many things in the paragraph, and i'm not about to waste a bunch of time going through what i don't want in there. i say read if you want to or don't it's not terribly repeated, i've seen worse. i've seen no qouting at all, do you like that? it's short is'nt it. a real pleasure to read. you don't need to scroll at all. you have no idea what they're replying about, but that's ok, becuase it's very edited. most of the texts that i'm replying to are a paragraph or so, are you telling me that your too lazy to scroll down to read the new stuff? the whole message could'nt be more than 1-2K. how short does it have to be? most people (including myself), download, read it, deleat it. but some messages i put aside. months later i may use them for reference, if it does'nt have the original statement in it, there may be no way of remembering what it was about. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:37:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:35:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:45:38 -0600 Message-ID: <199802051731.LAA20234@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit >> >>it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, >>the thoughtful thing This is an unmoderated group in the sense that the list owner does not oversee and kill threads. The.... hints from Heloise segment.... and the.... you say "po-tay-toe" I say "po-tah-toe".... thread are sort of cyberspace convivialty things.. If you like it great......if not delete... I did But IMHO a high percentage of off topic and bearly relevent discussions the persist until every unlurker has thier say stifles the growth and maturation of Bungi. There are only a small percentage of buginians that post regularly. Most are lurkers who are subscribed to this list for a variety of reasons and I know from my own experience as a subscriber to a list that is devoted to a subject that I have a great passion for, but relatively speaking, very little knowledge of, that unless I have a proven positive fact from my own experience to contribute, I just lurk. I don't guess just to have something to say. I thoroughly enjoy this list. As a former "pro" it is a very pleasent diversion from my work-a-day world. It keeps me in contact with the goings on in the SG biz and I do appreciate that. Besides its a great place to procrastinate once in a while. :-) The tone and feel of bungi these days is more suited to a chat room or a newsgroup which is fine if thats how it evolves. If we are here to learn and elevate the craft and put Bungi in the position of being a premier dispenser of SG info on the net then alot of what gets discusssed is just wasted bandwidth to me. Just my 0.02...... Flame away Len In Wisconsin where El Nino is our friend ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:02:13 -0600 Message-ID: <199802051548.JAA10469@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, >the thoughtful thing This is an unmoderated group in the sense that the list owner does not oversee and kill threads. The.... hints from Heloise segment.... and the.... you say "po-tay-toe" I say "po-tah-toe".... thread are sort of cyberspace convivialty things.. If you like it great......if not delete... I did But IMHO a high percentage of off topic and bearly relevent discussions the persist until every unlurker has thier say stifles the growth and maturation of Bungi. There are only a small percentage of buginians that post regularly. Most are lurkers who are subscribed to this list for a variety of reasons and I know from my own experience as a subscriber to a list that is devoted to a subject that I have a great passion for, but relatively speaking, very little knowledge of, that unless I have a proven positive fact from my own experience to contribute, I just lurk. I don't guess just to have something to say. I thoroughly enjoy this list. As a former "pro" it is a very pleasent diversion from my work-a-day world. It keeps me in contact with the goings on in the SG biz and I do appreciate that. Besides its a great place to procrastinate once in a while. :-) The tone and feel of bungi these days is more suited to a chat room or a newsgroup which is fine if thats how it evolves. If we are here to learn and elevate the craft and put Bungi in the position of being a premier dispenser of SG info on the net then alot of what gets discusssed is just wasted bandwidth to me. Just my 0.02...... Flame away Len In Wisconsin where El Nino is our friend ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Petina Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051730.JAA08426@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I received a small St. Glass Christmas ornament from a friend who would like me to make here a couple dz for gifts next year. The patina is such a bright, clear, 'gold' finish I am wondering if there is a new patina out somewhere that I am not familiar with? The ornament has had no other treatment of any kind, simply soldered and patinad. Any ideas? Jean jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:45:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:44:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nysernet.org!rjones From: Robin Jones To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:50:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: North Wales, PA Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:42:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.174245.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where is North Wales, PA? How far from Philadelphia? I live in Phila, go to Rainbow in Bristol, PA and W-C in Allentown for retail glass shopping...would sure like to expand my horizons if not too far. Do you sell retail? Can you provide directions and time estimate? Thanks much. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:55:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I Like Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:27:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980205112715.00752e50@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >the most anyone can be downloading at anyone time could'nt be anymore >than a few K. text does'nt take up that much space, the triplicate posts >take up way more than that. > >when i do respond it's almost always way more that a word or two, unless >of course those are the only ones you read. i may respond to many things >in the paragraph, and i'm not about to waste a bunch of time going >through what i don't want in there. > >i say read if you want to or don't it's not terribly repeated, i've seen >worse. i've seen no qouting at all, do you like that? it's short is'nt >it. a real pleasure to read. you don't need to scroll at all. you have >no idea what they're replying about, but that's ok, becuase it's very >edited. > >most of the texts that i'm replying to are a paragraph or so, are you >telling me that your too lazy to scroll down to read the new stuff? the >whole message could'nt be more than 1-2K. how short does it have to be? >most people (including myself), download, read it, deleat it. but some >messages i put aside. months later i may use them for reference, if it >does'nt have the original statement in it, there may be no way of >remembering what it was about. > >---Mike Savad Mike, this may be all well and good for those who get individual postings, but on the digest version, wading through many pages of repeated messages and bungi-list signatures is a major pain in the butt. Some of you may sit around all day and just read email, but for those of us with limited time, I think a little courtesy is not too much to ask. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 09:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:47:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.15472.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, One of the things I have discovered in the very short time that I have been doing stained glass is that preschool teacher manuals have large patterns in them that are very easy to convert to stained glass patterns. I know that in some of the pattern books they have people "in careers" including veterinarians. They also have pictures of cats. Though you probably wouldn't find them together in one picture. Also, from another craft I do, I have a small light table that is easy to use and inexpensive to buy for copying parts of patterns for suncatchers. Hope these ideas help you find the patterns that you want to do. Sincerely, Irene Mermelstein ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:02:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Rag Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:01:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051753.JAA09433@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have heard that there is another glass list, called 'rag'. I have tried unsuccessfully to locate it. Anyone know anything about it? Jean Jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:03:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Tracy Reitmann To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:06:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.667.0> References: <<199802051105.FAA04472@eve.corp.ccti.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lurker here ...trying to figure out why people are pinpointing "editing" techniques of certain people -- I read the e-mail here to learn about stained glass techniques and find it somewhat irritating (for lack of a better word) that I have to go through e-mail after e-mail after e-mail of what appears to be personal attacks (further more which have nothing to do at all with stained glass). I hope that we can all get back to the real reason this e-mail list exists -- glass, not a Rodney Dangerfield Roasting hour. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:06:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.35829.0> References: <<1998Feb5.7330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Robert E. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Philip McRae wrote: > > > I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. > > There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing > > principles. > > > > phil7 This is getting really OLD you guys, get over it, and lets talk glass! > > No spears just kudos. > > Bob Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:11:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:09:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.intel.com!lynice_spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Petina Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:07:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.2756.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I might be plated. I've seen nickel plated projects that are shiny silver - beautiful. I think you have to take it somewhere that does electroplating. On Thursday, February 05, 1998 5:39 PM, Jean [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net] wrote: > >The patina is such a > bright, clear, 'gold' finish I am wondering if there is a new patina out > somewhere that I am not familiar with? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52324.0> References: <<199802050828.IAA26686@mx0.rmplc.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Phil wrote: > > Mike Savad wrote > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > what editing! ;-) > > brevity Mike thats what we want > > Phil > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's nice....why? your going to read it and delete it anyway. is it becuase everyone has to scroll down a little, they don't want to move they're hand a little bit? i don't see the point. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:14:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Petina Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:06:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.18635.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << received a small St. Glass Christmas ornament from a friend who would like me to make here a couple dz for gifts next year. The patina is such a bright, clear, 'gold' finish I am wondering if there is a new patina out somewhere that I am not familiar with? The ornament has had no other treatment of any kind, simply soldered and patinad. Any ideas? >> This sounds like they may have been electroplated. I saw many small Christmas themed suncatchers in a local stained glass store - they were from the Orient, and they had that bright 'gold' patina - electroplated. Unless you choose to electroplate, the brass patina - shined to a gleam with Simichrome polish - may be a close enough match. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:14:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: concrete editing suggestions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:21:23 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > It's a function of life in the 90s that everything has to be > abbreviated and brief so we can cram everything into a day I'll2ndthat -- you have days like that, too? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:17:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Last (I promise) word (from me) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:21:23 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Just my 0.02...... Flame away I have nothing more to say, Len, and hope that my comments weren't seen as a flame, but a dispassionate explanation. I guess if one read them aloud with a passionate, even angry tone, they could be heard that way, evenso. In any case, I'm done with the subject, sorry I tried to explain ... was misunderstood anyway, which is a problem without body language, tone of voice, and facial expressions. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bungi Digest Format Available? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051807.KAA10166@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Question: Is Bungi available in digest format? ---------- > From: glasschic > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: I Like Mike's Refusal to Edit > Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 8:27 AM >.....but on the digest version, ............ .> Some of you may sit around all day and just read email, but for those of us > with limited time, I think a little courtesy is not too much to ask. > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Ohio > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.53841.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing principles. phil7 (I'll stand close to the monitor, absorbing all the electronic spears that will soon be chucked at me.) Albert Lewis wrote: > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: E Mail problems Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.65454.0> References: <<1998Feb4.182936.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Gloria and George. . . I have no problems with your messages. . .but I do get everything three times! Could it be because the bungi address appears three times in reply to, to and to again? Regards, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:19:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Light Table Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:18:39 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051810.KAA10312@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: IreneMerm@aol.com > ..... small light table that is easy to use and inexpensive to buy for copying parts > of patterns for suncatchers. Hope these ideas help you find the patterns that > you want to do. Sincerely, Irene Mermelstein > ---- Irene, where did you purchase this 'small, inexpensive light table'? Was it recently? Jean Jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:42:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: editing, etc... Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:36:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.183659.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 11:48:49 EST, you write: << However I did not join to see bashing going on. So Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. >> Thank you so much Laurean for expressing my sentiments so well. Mike is a very talented young man and has been very helpful and willing to share his knowledge with everyone who asks, AND he doesn't waste his time bashing other people's ideas and opinions. Mike.....you go guy.!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:42:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:28:28, -0500 Message-ID: <199802051828.NAB19920@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. Albert It's not just the UK members that pay by the minute. More than a few of us in the USA pay by the minute and some of us get to pay business phone rates also. The expense is one thing but the waste can really grind. When in a motor home it can be a real trial connecting through an acoustic coupler to a pay phone at 2400. The alternatives are REAL expensive. Please be considerate. Bob Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (Freeway's mother) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 10:45:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Rag Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:29:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.182927.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-05 13:04:54 EST, you write: << I have heard that there is another glass list, called 'rag'. >> I would be very interested...pls. post here if url available. thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 12:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: veterinarians Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 13:20:07 EST Message-ID: <980205.132221.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You might be able to find a doctor pattern that would work just as well as a vet. Dorothy (who has a mailer that makes editing a (5-letter word), so rarely quotes, but who tries to be clear about her subjects, and who likes Mike...oh, yeah, can't selectively get rid of sig file, either.) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 12:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Petina/Not plated Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: <199802051820.KAA10872@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No, it is definitely NOT plated. Plating has a different look to it, "more commercial". ---------- > From: Spangler, Lynice > > It might be plated. I've seen nickel plated projects that are shiny > silver - beautiful. ----------------------------- > >From Jean:jean@lasercom.net] > > > >The patina is such a > > bright, clear, 'gold' finish I am wondering if there is a new patina > out that I am not familiar with? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 13:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:23:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:18:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980205130337.2ce7b6fe@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a cat who lives at the studio, walks where ever she pleases... never seems to have any problems.... I do sometimes... as when she decided the best place to sleep was on the in progress Noah's Ark, and disarranged all the pieces every night... Meg At 08:27 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Wow Shirley! Your essay on storage and show displays was great! I am very >impressed. > >I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into >your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to >keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I >worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > >Sarah > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 13:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:32:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Rag Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:36:25 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > << I have heard that there is another glass list, called 'rag'. >> I heard about it yesterday, but the name given to me was "rags." I was guessing that it's "Retailers and Glass Studios," but I'm not sure about that. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 13:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:58:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ENOUGH! Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:57:54 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We've had enough. I've disabled the glass alias for the time being. Once people settle down, I'll consider turning it back on. The stained glass list is not about flaming people, or talking about editing, or discussing the weather. We don't have time to moderate it. People *can* control themselves. Honest. We are all (I believe) over the age of 8. Let's act like it. Dave Rand / Glenna Rand +1 408 254-7111 -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 09:30:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:08:58 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The stained glass list at bungi.com has been reopened. There have been some technical changes as well. As a reminder to all, the stained glass list is intended to be a resource that people can use to discuss issues related to glass work. It is not for discussing the personal habits of people, or their probably parentage. We *do not* want to moderate this list. We feel that people should have the ability to express their ideas openly. Please; this list goes to over 400 people, all around the world. There *will* be differences of opinion. If so, please take it offline. To that end, I have made a technical change in how the list works. Before, replying would automatically send to the stained glass list. Now, replying will send the message back only to the originator. If your reply is meant for the list as well, you will need to change the To: address to glass@bungi.com. Hopefully, this minor change will both help avoid the recent flame-fests, and help people stay in a positive frame of mind. Let us know if you have any questions. Dave & Glenna Rand -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 10:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:12:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:11:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb7.21124.0> Precedence: bulk Let me say a big "THANK YOU" for reopening!!!!!! The "shakes" were starting to set in here! Man I never knew withdrawal to be so tuff! Sheila OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 11:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Penguin Suncatcher Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:07:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.11744.0> Precedence: bulk Can't remember who asked for the penguin suncatcher. I have found a couple. Contact me off-line or with the group and I'll explain further. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 11:23:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:26:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Favorate wholesalers Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:20:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199802071820.NAA22076@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Karen Schroeder writes in part: > I just started a business last October - Hummingbird Designs. Went > through the whole business license, seller's permit, DBA dance. But > it > was worth it. I have accounts at two semi-local wholesalers > (Franciscan > Glass in Mountain View and Bendheim West in Oakland) where I purchase > all > of my glass and one mail-order wholesaler (Art Glass House in > Florida) > where I purchase just about everything except glass. > > Karen- welcome to the group that pays homage to the CA Board of > Equilazation. I recommend that you check out Mad Dog Stained Glass at > 818 782-1514. They are in Van Nuys, CA and so you should save a > considerable amount of time and shipping costs by dealing with them. > I have been very pleased with their service and consistant > availability of cataloged items. For general SG supplies they are > tops in my book. If I order before 2:00 PM I get my goodies the > following morning by UPS. Go- Mad Dog!!! > Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 11:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: bungi reborn Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:03:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.3322.0> Precedence: bulk short and sweet, Thank you Dave for first turning off bungi, despite your preference for non interference, as I think that people will be more "sane" after this, and that the adjustment to the format will help this, and thank you for turning bungi back on, as I do think it CAN be an excellent forum. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 12:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:45:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:52:42 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Let me say a big "THANK YOU" for reopening!!!!!! The "shakes" were > starting to set in here! Man I never knew withdrawal to be so tuff! Yes, indeedy ... it's good to have bungi back! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 12:43:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:45:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bonnie Clark Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980207144517.0076fcf4@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk I'm sad to post the news that one of our members, Bonnie Clark "Fishbait" passed away Saturday, of unknown causes. She and I met during the Glass Atlas time period a year ago, and developed a great friendship over the year that we corresponded online. I hope that she makes it to "stained glass" heaven and keeps on solderin'. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 13:05:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:00:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybercable.tm.fr!amenil From: Alain Ménil To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: german glass? Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:59:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.215929.0> Organization: Le Mans Precedence: bulk Is there someone who wants to discuss about popular (18th&early 19th)german glass? if yes, please look at this page, you could see an example of enameled bottles I collect : http://www.glass.co.nz/club.htm. If no please continue to discuss about staines glass, this forum is a very exciting one. -- Alain from France mailto : amenil@cybercable.tm.fr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 13:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: bungi reborn Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 15:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199802072041.PAA02709@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dave, Thanks for re-installing! I too was suffering severe withdrawal. I didn't realize how much an important part of my life was the bungi line. Thanks for making this line available to us passionate glassaholics! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 13:32:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:51:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:53:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980207145312.00796250@ictc.com> Precedence: bulk Question: In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the mark. I measure, re-measure, then usually measure again, but something (bad luck?) always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the opening! Does this happen to anyone else? What are some tricks or techniques in dealing with this once it happens? Did I just miss 'the boat' on how to avoid this situation? Any input or advice is appreciated. Thank you, Dale Bentley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 13:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:09:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!karen.moyer From: karen.moyer@juno.com (Karen L. Moyer) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bandsaws Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:05:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.5532.0> Precedence: bulk Hi. I am new to this group and so far have just been lurking. I really appreciate all the new ideas and info I have learned so far. I have finally save enough pennies to buy a bandsaw. I would really appreciate any advice I can get. My pennies do not add up to a top of the line saw but somewhere in the moderate range. I have been looking at catalogs and it has been pretty confusing. The one I like the most is the Gryphon C40. It has a large work surface which seems like a nice feature. What do you think? Thanks in advance. Karen _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 13:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lamps Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:34:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb7.213444.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a simple formula or method that determines the appropriate size lamp shade to make for an 8 1/2 " lamp base. I would be using the Worden System so would also appreciate any suggestions for the design/pattern. It would be my first time using Worden. I have not been able to identify the name of the base but it is finished in bronze. The bottom is scalloped 6 times and I think roses are in 3 of the scallops. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 14:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:54:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.115216.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980207145312.00796250@ictc.com>> Precedence: bulk The Banker's House wrote: > > Question: > > In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the > mark. I measure, re-measure, then usually measure again, but something > (bad luck?) always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the > opening! Does this happen to anyone else? What are some tricks or > techniques in dealing with this once it happens? Did I just miss 'the > boat' on how to avoid this situation? Any input or advice is appreciated. > > Thank you, Dale Bentley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, it could be that the wall is not plumb. it may bow outward where the panel is. or the foil thickness could be affecting the size of it. i would (next time), make the whole panel an 1/8-1/4" smaller (all the way around, not subtracted from all sides... so a 24" panel would be 23-3/4" this would give you some extra slack to work with. then use some sort of molding to hide the difference. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 15:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:56:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Karen L. Moyer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: bandsaws Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:54:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.115433.0> References: <<1998Feb7.5532.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen L. Moyer wrote: > > Hi. I am new to this group and so far have just been lurking. I really > appreciate all the new ideas and info I have learned so far. I have > finally save enough pennies to buy a bandsaw. I would really appreciate > any advice I can get. My pennies do not add up to a top of the line saw > but somewhere in the moderate range. I have been looking at catalogs and > it has been pretty confusing. The one I like the most is the Gryphon > C40. It has a large work surface which seems like a nice feature. What > do you think? > Thanks in advance. Karen > > _____________________________________________________________________ i would recommend the Taurus 2 RingSaw. so far it's the best thing i've used. you can cut in any direction, pretty quickly. it holds alot of water at once, and the water does'nt pool up on the glass as much. for the money, it's definetly worth it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 15:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:02:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New glass software Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.9115.0> Precedence: bulk Hello All, Just want to let anyone who might have missed it know that The Glass Eye software has a new program. It is for the internet and comes with 25 patterns that apparantly can be edited to suit whatever size you need. They also have patterns to sell that can also be adjusted to suit. I sat and waited for a month for this program to be up on the web and it is. (It's free.) But alas, it requires Windows 95 and my computer is not capable of running it. Let me know if it turns out to be as good as I think. It is located at http://www.dfly.com Have fun, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 15:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:05:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: bandsaws Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:04:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb7.23439.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-07 16:36:57 EST, you write: << o buy a bandsaw. I would really appreciate any advice I can get. My pennies do not add up to a top of the line saw but somewhere in the moderate range. >> Hi Karen - For a little more money you could get the Taurus. The reason I mention the Taurus is the work service is larger than the Gryphon. With the Gryphon you can only cut in one direction as opposed to the Taurus where you can start cutting and go in any direction. So far the only disadvantage I have found with the Taurus is it cuts wider and therefore you cannot trace a whole flower and cut it as the pieces will not fit properly when using copper foil. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 16:02:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:34:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:25:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.232520.0> References: <<1998Feb7.115216.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dale, In my message to you (address now lost) I assumed you were working with lead came, so my reply may not make a lot of sense. Secondly, Mike's respons reminds me that I carry a plumb bob to check on the verticality of the sides of the opening in addition to measuring top and bottom, left and right and diagonals. Moulding and/or other sealant is normally required to make an opening weather tight and to keep the rattling of the panel to a minimum. Steve P.S. I am amazed that most US workers seem to be in copper foil even for large panels. And that they seem to be secondary glazing most of the time. Have I got it wrong? S. In message <1998Feb7.115216.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes >The Banker's House wrote: >> >> Question: >> >> In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the >> mark. I ...... >always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the >> opening! ....... >(next time), make the whole panel an 1/8-1/4" smaller (all the way >around, not subtracted from all sides... so a 24" panel would be 23-3/4" >this would give you some extra slack to work with. then use some sort of >molding to hide the difference. > >---Mike Savad > -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 16:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:29:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.72936.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: The Banker's House [SMTP:bankers@ictc.com] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 12:53 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Panel = Opening Question: In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the mark. I measure but something (bad luck?) always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the opening! Does this happen to anyone else? What are some tricks or techniques in dealing with this once it happens? Thank you, Dale Bentley There are a # of ways to achieve your goal. What I do is to make a template out of a stiff material (1/8 ply, matt board, cardboard). Try the template for a tight fit. I then place the template on my assembly/soldering table, nail 1/2" x 1/4" restrictor strips tightly around the template, then add 1/16 to 1/8" shim strips to give me the expansion/play space that I want and build the window tight to the spacer strip. This gives me an even space around the window with just the right spacing. I usually use thin strips of hard rubber or wood as shim to raise the window so that the space is even all around. I use a 1/4"-1/2" squirt form a silicone or glue gun at the tops and sides as easily removed retainers, NOT all around. or you or someone else will never get the window out if it needs repair! If you want more specific info E me direct. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 16:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re:enameling lusters Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:07:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980207150701.007b4360@mail.tznet.com> Precedence: bulk HI! I wasn't successful in using the Carefree Lusters either. That's why I developed the Decals! The only other way I used the lusters, was with masking off and airbrushing. But had to fire each color separately, because masking would end up interferring with the luster already laid down. If you wish to try airbrushing, mix lusters with half and half, cheap liquid hair spray and alcohol. I used to use vaseline brushed onto the surface of enamels, then dusting dry powdered enamel over the vasoline area, then knocking off the excess. Enough would stay on the vasoline (which burns off clean) and the result was a kind of brushed enamel painting technique. You need to add 1/2 cake flour to the luster in order to try sifting it, as the lusters don't sift well either. For the beads, you could try mixing lusters with hairspray and alcohol and using a fine brush, then bringing the beads up to temperature to fuse the luster into the surface. Let me know how you make out. Pat At 08:16 AM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >I see you have detailed instructions on the use of carefree lusters and >decal application and firing techniques. I have the carefree lusters >and haven't been too successful with them. I would love to hear what >you do with them! I am a self taught enamelist who is now lampworking >beads. Thanks for your time! >Carolyn Beardsley >carolynb@oro.net > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 16:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:00:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "M. Savad" Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:26:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.232638.0> References: <<1998Feb7.115216.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dale, In my message to you (address now lost) I assumed you were working with lead came, so my reply may not make a lot of sense. Secondly, Mike's respons reminds me that I carry a plumb bob to check on the verticality of the sides of the opening in addition to measuring top and bottom, left and right and diagonals. Moulding and/or other sealant is normally required to make an opening weather tight and to keep the rattling of the panel to a minimum. Steve P.S. I am amazed that most US workers seem to be in copper foil even for large panels. And that they seem to be secondary glazing most of the time. Have I got it wrong? S. In message <1998Feb7.115216.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes >The Banker's House wrote: >> >> Question: >> >> In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the >> mark. I ...... >always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the >> opening! ....... >(next time), make the whole panel an 1/8-1/4" smaller (all the way >around, not subtracted from all sides... so a 24" panel would be 23-3/4" >this would give you some extra slack to work with. then use some sort of >molding to hide the difference. > >---Mike Savad > -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 17:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: fittting glass Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.135525.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk FITTING INTO AN EXISTING OPENING (clipped from delphi glass site) I am planning on making a sidelight window for our house 11 inches x 64 inches. Do I subtract 1/16 inch on all four sides or 1/32 inch on all four sides? I'm having some trouble figuring out how to make the pattern fit. Is this measurement the actual size of the opening that the panel will be installed into? If so, subtract 1/16 inch off each edge or basically subtract 1/8 inch from both measurements (10 7/8 inches x 63 7/8 inches). Before you start cutting out the glass for this panel, take a closer look at the opening it will be installed into. Take lots of measurements both horizontally and vertically at the edges and through the middle. It is not uncommon for an opening to have many different measurements; After all, if the original window didn't fit into the opening, someone just had to go back to the and either sand or route out problem areas until it did fit. How will you edge the window? Will you use a flat "U" channel, adjustable "U" channel, an "H" channel? In lead, zinc, brass, or copper? I would personally recommend that you use a flat "H" lead; 3/8" and 1/4" are common sizes. Adjust the measurements of the panel based on the depth of the channel you select, measuring from the outside edge of the came to the inside of the channel that the glass will be inserted into. For instance, if the depth is 1/4", you will need to adjust all 4 sizes by 1/4". The reason flat "H" lead is best is that not every window opening is exactly square. While installing the finished glass panel, you can trim off the portion of the "H" channel that is in the way. When using the hard metal cames the edge came would have to be removed, the glass removed, recut or ground, refoiled or cemented, and the edge came soldered back into place. Now, look at your different dimensions and adjust them accordingly, then go back to your drawing board and adjust your panel. I would suggest drawing in two lines, both horizontally and vertically, to divide the design in half both ways. Divide the dimensions in half and measure from the center lines to make a mark for where the design will end. Draw in the final edge lines and your pattern will be ready for glass assembly. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 17:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:35:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.143734.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980207145312.00796250@ictc.com>> Precedence: bulk The Banker's House wrote: > > Question: > > In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the > mark. Try making a full scale cardboard template of the window. Then keep this template with a pattern drawn on it under your window as you build. You should know instantly if you are off and your window has "grown". This always works for us and keeps us profitable. Nothing worse than taking a window apart to grind it down some. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 17:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:18:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Dave Rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.184137.0> References: <> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Thank you, Dave. . . . . .for bringing back the glass list! I was surprised at how much I missed it. And I'm looking forward to getting lots of good information. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 18:22:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:28:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nh.ultranet.com!stacyf From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: piano lamp bases Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980207170146.006adfa0@nh.ultranet.com> Precedence: bulk I once saw a lamp on QVC or somewhere that looks like the typical piano lamp, that swivels horizontally. This particular lamp had stained glass for the shade. It was breathtaking. But, I have looked and searched everywhere and can not find anything like this lamp base anywhere. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks! Stacy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 18:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: WhispyBlu@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lamps Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.155010.0> References: <<1998Feb7.213444.0>> Precedence: bulk WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > > Is there a simple formula or method that determines the appropriate size lamp > shade to make for an 8 1/2 " lamp base. I would be using the Worden System so > would also appreciate any suggestions for the design/pattern. It would be my > first time using Worden. I have not been able to identify the name of the > base but it is finished in bronze. The bottom is scalloped 6 times and I > think roses are in 3 of the scallops. > > Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i found that the base of the -base, should be around half the diameter of the shade. or at least that's what i determined when doing my lamp. my lamps base is about 8" across. the shade is 14" wide. as for height, that's mainly up to you, but not too tall or it may knock over. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 19:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:48:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:47:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980207214757.006d862c@pop.erols.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk I too must agree that a day without Bungi is not something that we want to have to endure again.........It's great to have Bungi back.....Thanks Dave! Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" 17 Main Street Reisterstown, MD 21136 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 20:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:52:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lamps Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:51:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.165115.0> References: <<1998Feb7.213444.0>> Precedence: bulk Lu Ann, There are those who would tell you that there are formulas for such things, but in truth there are too many variables. The size shade that will look right will change when the lamp is placed down low on an end table as opposed to up high near eye level. The diameter of the shade required will vary depending on the depth of the design. A shade 8" wide could be 5" deep or 8" deep. You may need to install a different harp onto the base to accommodate a deeper or shallower shade. One fairly consistent rule is that when viewed as the lamp will be situated, you should see the bottom edge of the shade fall about even with the top of the base, (where the harp begins, just below the socket.) The best thing to do is work with cardboard mockups of the shade placed on the base. See how it looks where you intend to use it. The same shade that looks perfect in one place can completely hide the base and look silly when viewed from a higher viewpoint. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:34:44 EST WhispyBlu@aol.com writes: >Is there a simple formula or method that determines the appropriate >size lamp >shade to make for an 8 1/2 " lamp base. I would be using the Worden >System so >would also appreciate any suggestions for the design/pattern. It >would be my >first time using Worden. I have not been able to identify the name of >the >base but it is finished in bronze. The bottom is scalloped 6 times >and I >think roses are in 3 of the scallops. > >Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 20:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:09:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!KMunday From: Kimberly M To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Patina Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.18912.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a question to ask that might be in line with what Jean is talking about. The brass foil and patinas, I have never worked with these, and am concerned with how they will turn out. I have heard that they are difficult to work with. I have also been told that if you are not careful, the brass turns to copper. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. P.S. You sound like great people, who like myself, love glass. Jean wrote: > > I received a small St. Glass Christmas ornament from a friend who would > like me to make here a couple dz for gifts next year. The patina is such a > bright, clear, 'gold' finish I am wondering if there is a new patina out > somewhere that I am not familiar with? The ornament has had no other > treatment of any kind, simply soldered and patinad. Any ideas? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 21:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:33:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.18325.0> References: <> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Thanks for reopening the list. My husband was about to have to hospitalize me for those pesky withdrawal symptoms! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 21:49:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:39:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lamps Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:38:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.43813.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-07 23:15:08 EST, you write: << One fairly consistent rule is that when viewed as the lamp will be situated, you should see the bottom edge of the shade fall about even with the top of the base, (where the harp begins, just below the socket.) The best thing to do is work with cardboard mockups of the shade placed on the base. See how it looks where you intend to use it. The same shade that looks perfect in one place can completely hide the base and look silly when viewed from a higher viewpoint. >> Thanks Gary for these tips. I knew there were some general rules but as you pointed out there could easily be exceptions. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 23:31:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:19:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Your favorite 'green' art glass... Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.171819.0> References: <> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk I'm wondering if I could please have everyone's input on what is their absolute favorite green/green-blend art glass to use for tree leaves? Pretty please, try to include in your reply WHY it's your favorite, along with info like the manufaturer, mfr. stock number, and color-name, okay? (This is my own little research to help me as I am developing a couple of upcoming projects for this very old house that we just bought! I'm SO excited--it still has most of the original hand-cast glass window panes in it, and there are 32 windows!!) Thank you very much in advance-- V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 23:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:21:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: e-mail address needed Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:18:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.6187.0> Precedence: bulk Charles, Marianne, or Stephanie I have a letter with questions I would like to send but I cannot find an e-mail address for Warner-Crivellaro. If you, or anyone else on bungi could provide me with the e-mail address it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 7 23:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:25:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: not quite glass: Bonnie Clark Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.17252.0> References: <<19980207.101242.13894.1.suzannewest1@juno.com>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk I just received this tonight and thought that there might be several others besides Joyce & me who would like notification of the loss of our friend and fellow glass-lover/artisan. Please forgive the intrusion into bungi with this, but she was a member and participant here. Sandra S Semperger wrote: > > To all of fishbait's ( Bonnie Clarks ) friends > Bonnie died of complications of Diabetes, in Yakaima Washington at 7 AM > on February 6 th. If you have questions please feel free to write me > Sandra Semperger at suzannewest@juno.com or to Sylvia Rich at > ladyrich@juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 00:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:00:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Specific to stained glass lead poisoning info Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.143446.0> References: <> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > Rita Gergely wrote: > > > From the Iowa Dept. of Public Health > > I wrote and asked them about lead poisoning and she wrote back today! > > Her email is rgergely@fs.idph.state.ia.us > > > You should DEFINITELY be concerned about the exposure to lead that > > > you could be getting from soldering and handling lead--whether it is > > > in your kitchen/living area or anywhere else. You could be getting > > > signicant exposure to lead. Some of the major symptoms of lead > > > exposure in adults are: > > > > > > trouble remembering and concentrating > > > getting tired easily > > > unable to sleep > > > weakness or less of feeling in arms or legs > > > headaches > > > irritability > > > depression > > > high blood pressure > > > > > > The lungs are not usually damaged because lead is quickly absorbed > > > into the blood stream from inhalation and does most of it's damage > > > in the blood and the nervous system. Since the symptoms I listed > > > above are not unique to lead exposure, you could have a high level of > > > lead in your body that is causing damage without noticing any of the > > > symptoms I have listed above. > > > > > > There are several ways to measure your exposure to lead. The > > > first way is to get someone to do some air monitoring while you are > > > doing the work to see how much lead is going into the air. The only > > > person really qualified to do this is a trained industrial hygienist, > > > so this might not be practical. The second way is to get a lead > > > inspector to do some dust wipes to see how much lead is ending up on > > > surfaces in your living area (example, floor). Again, this is going > > > to cost some money and, if you live in a home that has lead-based > > > paint in it, it might be hard to tell if lead in the dust is coming > > > from lead in the paint or lead from your soldering activities. The > > > third way to determine your exposure is to get a blood lead test. > > > This will tell whether a significant amount of lead is getting into > > > your body. We recommend that adult males and adult females who do > > > NOT plan to have children keep their blood lead levels less than 25 > > > micrograms per deciliter. Adult females who DO plan to have children > > > should keep their blood lead levels less than 10 micrograms per > > > deciliter. The level of concern is lower for these women because > > > young children, including unborn children, are VERY sensitive to lead > > > exposure and lead can cross the placenta from the mother to poison > > > the child. If you are doing much work with stained glass, I > > > STRONGLY recommend that you get a blood lead test. > > > > > > People who work with lead solder/stained glass as an occupation are > > > considered to be at very high risk for lead exposure and their > > > employers must do a number of things to protect them. They must > > > provide Air Purifying Respirators, regular blood lead testing, > > > protective clothing, an area to change clothes when leaving the > > > workplace, and a place to shower and wash their hands and face > > > before they go home at the end of the day. In addition, the > > > employers must ensure that there is no food, drink, or cigarettes in > > > the work area and that employees leave the work area and wash their > > > hands and face before eating, drinking, smoking, or applying > > > cosmetics. Employers must also do things to reduce lead fumes in > > > the air such as very sophisticated ventilation systems and/or having > > > the employees do the soldering under a hood. > > > > > > Bottom Line Recommendations for you: If I were you, I would NOT do > > > this work in my kitchen/living area. Do you have a basement, porch, > > > or other area where you could do this work? You should get some > > > blood lead testing to determine your current blood lead level. You > > > should go to an auto parts store and buy a HEPA or Air Purifying > > > Respirator (sometimes, they are sold as "brake and clutch" > > > respirators because are they worn when working with asbestos in > > > brakes and clutches. You should not be doing this work at all if > > > you are pregnant. You should not let children or other family > > > members in the area where you are working. If children or other > > > family members have already been around when you are doing this > > > work, they should all get blood lead tests. You should make sure > > > that there is no food, drink, or cigarettes in the work area and > > > that you leave the work area and wash your hands and face before > > > eating, drinking, smoking, or applying cosmetics. You should take a > > > shower and wash your hair before coming in contact with family > > > members or friends. > > > > > > We have seen high blood lead levels (50 to 70 micrograms per > > > deciliter) in stained glass workers, even where employers are making > > > some efforts to protect them from lead exposure. I realize that you > > > are probably not spending as much time on this as someone who works > > > in stained glass eight hours a day, but since you are probably not > > > using any of the safety measures that employers do, you could be at > > > just as much risk as someone who does this on the job eight hours a > > > day. > > > > > > Please contact me by e-mail or phone if you have more questions. > > > > > > Rita Gergely, Director > > > Lead Poisoning Prevention Programs > > > 1-800-972-2026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 00:18:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shiny Patina Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:35:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.143551.0> References: <> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Dave Rand wrote: > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I use an old(and I mean old) > > diaper to buff my work after cleaning with finnishing compound. > > It is the best cloth I have tried so far. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 03:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:24:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: e-mail address needed Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 05:29:33 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Charles, Marianne, or Stephanie I have a letter with questions I would like to > send but I cannot find an e-mail address for Warner-Crivellaro. It's in the Sources Guide, Lu Ann: warnerc@fast.net Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 06:46:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 05:57:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: window openings too small for panel Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 06:55:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb7.225527.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Thank you, Dave and Glena, for re-opening bungi. I know it was missed by all. In response to the question of window openings being too small for panel...my general rule of thumb (besides measuring all sides) is to use 1/4" H came lead on the perimeter of my panel. I then measure and mark an 1/8" all the way around my pattern. I use a different color sharpie so as to not get it mixed up with the rest of my pattern. If my panel is too large to fit in the opening (frustrating, but occasionally happens) I use a swedish file to take a little off the outer edge of the H came. That particular kind of file very smoothly and evenly takes off the lead where it is too large. I know this is clear as mud, but I hope it helped a little. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 07:02:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 06:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Patina question Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:10:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.141017.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886947017_boundary Content-ID: <0_886947017@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Any suggestions? Thanks. --part0_886947017_boundary Content-ID: <0_886947017@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Classydad@aol.com Return-path: To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Patina question Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:05:04 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am just finishing a pool table light, about 14" x 42" and 18" high -- four glass panels inserted within oak frame. My biggest project yet, but satisfying, with faceted jewels for accent. My question is about patina. I used black patina rubbing it on the lead beads over the foiled glass lines, in other words not came. I did this after cleaning the glass panels with a mixture of liquid dishwasher soap and baking soda to remove the flux from soldering. Anyway after rubbing the patina on with a cloth twice, I let it sit for about 10 minutes and then rubbed off the extra patina with a rag. The next night I used a liquid stained glass polish, but after polishing the glass and lead beads with a cloth, the black patina is more of a burnished gray rather than a black-black. Any suggestions on how to do this next time to achieve the blackest black patina possible? --part0_886947017_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:08:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Important: glass list news Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:06:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.17655.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886957615_boundary Content-ID: <0_886957615@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Here is the address that someone wanted for the light table that I use. Irene --part0_886957615_boundary Content-ID: <0_886957615@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IreneMerm@aol.com Return-path: To: dlr@bungi.com Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:25:55 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, I bought the light table through a rubber stamping catalog. It is used primarily for stencil work embossing. The company's name was D.O.T.S. and the catalog number was Z610. The cost was $12.00. It is about 6 inches by 10 inches approx. The company is a division of Dot Adventures, Inc. P.O. Box 1077, Anerican Fork, Utah, 84003. I like the product very much and it is portable ( but must have an electric source) and easy to use. Hope this helps. Irene --part0_886957615_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:19:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Digest Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:14:24 -0800 Message-ID: <199802081610.IAA26420@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Is Bungi available in 'digest' format? Jean jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:16:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bonnie Clark Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:16:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb8.11648.0> Precedence: bulk I too am sadden by the death of Bonnie. She is the one that introduced me to the bungi list. If ever I needed anything or had any questions concerning glass she was always there. I will miss her for she made a believer out of me that "cyber friends" do exist. She shall be sadly missed but never forgotten by me. Sheila OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:37:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:21:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Panel = Opening Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:20:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.72023.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dale Bentley: >In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the mark. ... What are some tricks or techniques in dealing with this once it happens?> Yikes, I hate it when that happens. Usually I frame my panels in thin zinc. I've found that you can shave off some of the zinc , if the size difference isn't too severe. If you've got a real problem, unsolder the zinc frame and install it using wooden molding to hold the panel in place and tidy up the look of the window. Tips on getting opening right in the first place: If the opening is rectangular or square, double check for square. Most windows are not true square. Measure height and width at multiple points. I always measure at 3 points. For instance, if I am measuring the height of a window, the left measurement can be at 15", the center measurement at 15", and the right measurement can be at 14 7/8". So if you only measured at the center point, and constructed the panel for 15", your right hand side will not fit. Along the same lines, double check for square. By this, I mean you measure not only the height and width of the piece, but also measure from the upper left corner down to the lower right, and the upper right down to the lower left. If they are equal, then the window is true square and is not slanted on way or the other. If they are different, then the window is not plumb and your panel may not fit if you constructed it straight and true. Speaking for myself, I always subtract 1/4" off the window's dimensions when laying out my pattern. This gives me some breathing room. I can always add a zinc border or wooden molding to finish off the join between stained glass panel and the window frame. For non-rectangular windows I always make a template, since you can guarantee they will not be "standard". One I just completed is a half-round whose width is 67" and height at center is 33 1/2", but whose radius from center at 45 degrees was 33 1/2" and 135 degrees was 35". Go figure! : - ) So a template was absolutely necessary. Hope some of this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:19:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Dried Flowers-Fading Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:10:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199802081610.IAA26417@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk I made a few dried flower/bevel suncatchers a year or two ago. Although none of them were hung in direct sun, all the flowers faded (REALLY faded!). I offered to redo them but I'm not sure how to fix it so that the same thing won't happen again. I remember hearing that spraying the flowers with hair spray would prevent, or retard, the fading. Does this work? Is there anything else that can be done? Jean jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:47:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Your favorite 'green' art glass... Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 11:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199802081646.LAA14227@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk VT Phelps wrote: > >I'm wondering if I could please have everyone's input on what is their >absolute favorite green/green-blend art glass to use for tree leaves? Suzanne answers, My favorites are some of the green/green blue/green yellow blends from Yough stipple. I pick the glass that looks best with the color flowers I'm using. There is such a mix right in the glass itself you really only need to use one of them to make the project come to life with the sun playing behind it. Try one, you'll like it! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:22:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: brass Patina Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:20:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.72027.0> Precedence: bulk Don't rub the antique brass patina too much or it will brighten up to copper. Just a quick brush or rub of the patina over the solder line is enough. Also, us a cloth or sponge for the liquid detergent and hot water clean-up. You don't want to scratch or remove the patina. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:55:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: W-C e-mail address needed Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:20:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.72030.0> Precedence: bulk You can send Charles Warner an email at charles@fast.net or visit the W-C web site at http://www.warner-criv.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 09:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:38:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!dshikhaa From: "Deepshikha Arora" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: beginner Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 09:37:05 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.17375.0> Precedence: bulk hi everyone i am interested in stain glass painting.... i need advice on where i should begin from.... 1. can anyone suggest a website for beginners where there are some simple projects that i could undertake 2. alternatively can anyone suggest how one should go about teaching oneself this craft thanks deepshikha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 10:06:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:23:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Your favorite 'green' art glass... Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.72034.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "NCScouter" >I'm wondering if I could please have everyone's input on what is their absolute favorite green/green-blend art glass to use for tree leaves?< I love to use Spectrum #327-6s dark green swirled with white for modern panels and lampshades. My customers also consistently choose this color more often than any other green. It's easy to work with, inexpensive, and is a nice strong true dark green without any yellow or blue tones. For more complex or dramatic work I like Youghiogheny #1431RG which is a lovely smooth mottled medium green with yellow and olive tones. I like this for lampshades. I also like Uroboros #50-74 for special panels. This is a very high texture ripple two tone green glass which sparkles. You have to be careful or this glass will dominate a panel or lampshade. Uroboros #60-70 is also a nice smooth green with reddish streaks. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 10:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Important: glass list news Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:00:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.18017.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-08 12:23:07 EST, you write: << I bought the light table through a rubber stamping catalog. I >> Does anyone know how this compares to the Morton lightbox? Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 10:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shiny Patina Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:08:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb8.2848.0> Precedence: bulk I too use clean (when I start) old diapers! They seem to buff things much nicer than an old towel. Keep Cutting! Sheila OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 10:58:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:23:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MJHiester From: MJHiester@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:19:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb8.18194.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-07 16:34:52 EST, you write: << always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the opening! Does this happen to anyone else? What are some tricks or techniques in dealing with this once it happens? >> Dale, I was taught, and have always used either 3/8 or 1/2 in. H lead came around the perimeter. If the panel is a hair large it is easy to shave the lead with a utility knife. It won't work if you use zinc or a U shaped came, so stick with the H. This is especially useful when the opening is not exactly square or the sides bend in a bit . The other thing you might want to look at is which side of the line are you finishing the panel to? I know it sounds dumb, but you can get 1/8 of an inch or more as a discrepancy in size by being on the wrong side of the pencil line. By the way, I don't thonk I ever had a panel fit perfectly the first time . Mike mjhiester@aol.com (Mike Hiester) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 11:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:08:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: beginner Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > i am interested in stain glass painting.... i need advice on where i > should begin from.... > 1. can anyone suggest a website for beginners where there are some > simple projects that i could undertake > 2. alternatively can anyone suggest how one should go about teaching > oneself this craft How about "Creative Glass Techniques: Fusing, Painting, Lampwork," by Bettina Eberle. It was published last year to rather good reviews. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 12:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: e-mail address needed Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Thanks Albert! I spent over an hour looking through all of my paperwork for > it and obviously I didn't find. What is this Source Guide? You have > mentioned it before and I just never asked about it. Lu Ann, it started out as the annual Sources Guide published for members of the Guild, but it was put up on the web last year (or the year before ... I forgete) to be accessible by everyone. It's updated almost every day; you might find it helpful. The URL for it is below my name. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 12:10:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:42:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!karen.moyer From: karen.moyer@juno.com (Karen L. Moyer) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: band saws Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:38:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.33853.0> References: <<01BD33DE.5BD6C500@gspicer>> Precedence: bulk Hi Glenn. Thank you for your reply. The band saw was recommended by a friend who also works with glass. I do mostly Tiffany style lamps and some panels. Lots of pieces with sharp angles and curves. The method I am using now , scoring and snapping , leaves quite a bit to be ground off. I thought the saw would cut down my time. Do you think I don't need a band saw? A lot of replies recommend the Taurus. I am going to look into that. Karen _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 12:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:28:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: piano lamp bases Date: Sun, 08 Feb 98 14:24:14 EST Message-ID: <980208.142657.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980207170146.006adfa0@nh.ultranet.com>> Precedence: bulk I don't think I know what a piano lamp is...is it the same as a banker's lamp. If it is, you can buy a banker's lamp and replace the green glass shade it came with. Hard part...unwiring and rewiring and getting the screw holes lined up. Also keep and reuse the rubber gaskets in the shade holes. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 12:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:19:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Favorite Green Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:18:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.71855.0> Precedence: bulk Of course it would depend on the other colors being used but I find the = best all around, at least my favorite, green to be Bullseye # 2212. It = has a slight hint of gold fleck to it that helps catch the light, and it = is not completely flat like a Spectrum or Armstrong. It has just a hint = of texture to it. A little more "spendy "however than Spec. or = Armstrong. Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 13:42:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:07:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!suzannewest From: suzannewest@juno.com To: ncscoutr@beachaccess.com Subject: Re: not quite glass: Bonnie Clark Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.5257.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Reply to your note I think it was complications of Sugar Diabetes. Bonnie thought it was just a cold that she couldn't shake or the flu. She didn't even tell her older daughter that she was sick. She kept on her usual schedule, even when her skin and the whites of her eyes turned yellow. We told her to see a doctor but she wouldn't until she passed out. Thay gave her 17 pints of blood and her body kept destroying the red blood cells. She was only in the hospital two or three days. She thought Thursday night she would be fine, with a nights rest, so she sent her family home. None of them expected death and were not with her when it came. The funeral is scheduled for next Friday at 2 PM in Ellensburg Wash. The address is 301 E. 3rd Ellensburg. If you wish further details write me at suzannewest@juno.com Thank you for your interest. Sandra S. On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:00:45 -0800 "NCScouter" writes: >Sandra S. and Sylvia R., > >I appreciate your taking the time to let me know of the loss of >our friend and fellow glass-lover/artisan. I shall miss her a >GREAT deal on ICQ... She was a lovely source of helpful advice, >suggestions, and anecdotes for me regarding stained glass! Please >will you send information to me on where to send cards, etc. >expressing my sympathies to her family over their loss if you >don't mind too much? > >I am also including a copy of a message sent to me from one of >the moderators of the bungi stained glass mailing list named >Glenna Rand. I hope you don't mind, but I thought that you might >like to know that there were many lives touched by Bonnie through >that list, (there are 400 subscribers to it.) > >Thank you again so very much and I hope to hear from you soon! > >Respectfully yours, >Valerie Tydings Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >PO Box 361 >1147 E R Daniels Rd. >Wanchese, NC 27981-0361 > >Glenna Rand wrote: > >> It's too bad she passed away,...what kind of >> complications? I wasn't aware she was ill. >> Did you know her personally? Did she have any young children? >> Heartfelt sorrow from us. >> >> -- >> Glenna Rand >> gjr@bungi.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 14:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: band saws? Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 16:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.112125.0> References: <<1998Feb8.33853.0>> Precedence: bulk My husband has a bandsaw for woodcutting, can I use the same saw with a different blade? What type should I choose? Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 14:41:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:11:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Made in USA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:18:06 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > had recieved more that 1.000 written comments, with the mojority "strongly > supporting" retention of the "all or virtually all" standard. Certainly it's not redundant, Mary. I didn't have anywhere *near as much information as you've provided. I wonder, though, what the actual percentage is, since "all or virtually all" is kinda vague. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 15:08:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:28:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: band saws? Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:25:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.122534.0> References: <<1998Feb8.112125.0>> Precedence: bulk jnl wrote: > > My husband has a bandsaw for woodcutting, can I use the same saw with a > different blade? What type should I choose? > > Lisa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no only a glass bandsaw can be used to cut glass. the blade has to be wet to keep dust down (there should'nt be any dust actually), and to keep the blade cool. keep the wood for wood, glass for glass. inland has one that can be setup for both, but it was designed to do that. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 15:41:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:20:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!KMunday From: Kimberly M To: WhispyBlu@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: e-mail address needed Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.132146.0> References: <<1998Feb8.6187.0>> Precedence: bulk WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > > Charles, Marianne, or Stephanie I have a letter with questions I would like to > send but I cannot find an e-mail address for Warner-Crivellaro. If you, or > anyone else on bungi could provide me with the e-mail address it would be > GREATLY appreciated. > > Thanks! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) > ---- >Hi, Their e-mail is warnerc@fast.net. I went to their site and checked. Kim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 16:15:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:40:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I just recently did the same thing. Ended up just a little bit over the window frame and spent hours resizing the frame. ( I was lucky in that I could do that) What I discovered it that I have measured the glass, and didn't include the width of the foil and copper strengthening strips I put in the panel. for the next one (for the same door) will be calculated with the rebar, foil etc inthe calculation On 7 Feb 98, The Banker's House wrote: > Question: > > In constructing panels to fit an opening, I always seem to just miss the > mark. I measure, re-measure, then usually measure again, but something > (bad luck?) always seems to make the panel just a hair to big for the > opening! Does this happen to anyone else? What are some tricks or > techniques in dealing with this once it happens? Did I just miss 'the > boat' on how to avoid this situation? Any input or advice is appreciated. > > Thank you, Dale Bentley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Blessed Be Myrddn There is always time to reflect in the mirror, Never enough time to reflect in the mind ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 16:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Your favorite 'green' art glass... Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:11:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.81122.0> Precedence: bulk The green you use may be dictated by the background (12" sculpt chestnut?)....if you go to a blue background, green with some blue hints will tie it together. Brown-gold background, perhaps a green-yellow will work. Hard to hit it perfect........of all the lamps I have done, many could be done as well just using different colors to soften each other and tie them together. I did a poppy with red/orange flowers, hint of orange in the leaves where they touched the flowers, and the background have some of both red (pale) and a hint of green....while primarily being blue to purple....with just spots of tie-in colors. Get enough glass to be able to be selective and do not be afraid to "scrap" some areas of the sheet! After all the time it will take and the dollars, you will be VERY critical of what you should have done differently and it may haunt you every time you see the shade. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 8 18:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mia.net!craftclub From: craftclub@mia.net To: craftclub@mia.net Subject: Let Us Help You Sell Your Handiwork Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// If this message has reached you by mistake, please accept our apology. Your name was carefully selected in a search of those who are interested in handicrafts. This is not a "junk" mailing.If you wish to be removed please reply in the subject with "Remove" and you will automatically be eliminated from future mailings. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1325158894-1510150@mail.mia.net> Hello Fellow Crafters! We have created a program we call Crafters Corner. It is based on a 25% commission basis. We provide the page(s) for your specialties and products, along with a secured server order form/feedback form. (There is no charge for the page(s) or hosting.) This includes the ability to take credit cards w/no points or fees per transaction. Our site is dedicated to the Arts, Crafts, Collectibles, Antiques & Hobby Field. We promote our site to over 350+ search engines along with all of our patrons and we bring the traffic to you! We also offer a Craft Club that includes classifieds, free drawings and contests and much more! Also, starting February 10th we will be sponsoring a virtual, on-line "Treasure Hunt". Participants have the opportunity to enter many various drawings for prizes. This will bring in added traffic to the site and each patron. If you are interested in more info please contact us at: mailto:craftclub@mia.net and / or view our mirror site at: http://www.mia.net/craftclub Thank You for your attention and consideration! Sincerely, Jeny CraftCluc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:10:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:33:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: using H came for window borders Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:49:20 -0800 Message-ID: <199802090549.VAA20366@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I too am glad that Dave turned bungi back on. I'm also glad that we can see the sender's name on our in mail list. It's something I've long wished we could have, so I can more easily get a flavour of who's on bungi, and associate it with a name. So, I really like the concept of being able to trim lead to fit, but here's my question...if the entire weight of the panel is sitting on the H of the bottom came, won't the outer part of the H collapse affecting the vertical fit of the panel (and make it too short)?? Those lead fins don't seem to have much strength. Also, it seems to me that over time the weight of the panel might cause the H came to stretch around the location of the plastic installation clips that work so well with zinc borders. Comments??? Also, does anyone have any comments on the look of lead came borders on a copper foil panel...over time I think it might look odd as the lead will take on a darker colour. As you can tell, I'm a strong devotee of zinc came borders since they also add to the strength of the panel, as well as simplifying installation. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative (who dreads the idea of having to bring her 'hacker carpentry' skills to stained glass installation). Chickens and oysters don't mind looking at my woodworking, but I think homeowners might. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:27:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:46:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: epix.net!age49 From: age49@epix.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: band saws? Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.164552.0> References: <<1998Feb8.122534.0>> Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > j > no only a glass bandsaw can be used to cut glass. Wouldn't a scroll saw do just fine for glass? Dan > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:27:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:43:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: no silica in glass Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.174018.0> Precedence: bulk My post titled "Re: (Fwd) Blood Tests" on Feb 6, 10:03, Monona Rossol writes was returned by Dave Rand saying the list was disabled. I'm trying it again. It was a response to the following forwarded message: > > You don't have silica exposures in stained glass normally. Glass is a > > silicate and doesn't cause silicosis. > > Please please tell me this also goes for those of us who use our > grinders as our second glass cutter. WHOA! True, there is no silica, but there is a much bigger problem! Colored glasses contain almost every toxic metal known to man in a form that is leachable (bioavailable) when the glass is ground fine. lass > contains: * Arsenic -- used to make off-white opaque swirls and also used in the processing of many types of stained glass; * cadmium -- used in opaque bright yellow and in some types of reds; * lead pigments -- including highly toxic lead chromate (another yellow); * manganese -- a purple/brown color; * cobalt, chrome, antimony, barium, selenium, and occasionally a little touch of uranium from some dichroic glass (the amount of uranium is probably too small to be very important) may be present in this dust. * and on and on and on. Dust from grinders is highly toxic and needs to be exhausted and carefully cleaned up. ANd the wet grinders and polishers can be as bad. They make a fine mist containing the finest glass particles. Soon you notice a whitish dust ground the area when this mist dries. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:27:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:45:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: bankers@ictc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:40:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb9.44057.0> Precedence: bulk When measuring a window opening you should check the square of the window and also measure the opening in more than one place from side to side and top to bottom. You should also always drop a 1/16 off all the way around to allow for the expansion and contraction of the surrounding frame ,probably wooden, and as suggested before keep your window when being built within the confines of the pattern, this is very important. I always start my windows by constructing the frame first then build within it and open it up at one end or side for the final pieces of glass to be put in place.And again if a window is really out of square or an unusual shape a cardboard pattern of the opening is the best way to go.We all learn the hard way hang in there, it's worth the trip. Beveler4aol.com (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mia.net!craftclub From: craftclub@mia.net To: craftclub@mia.net Subject: Let Us Help You Sell Your Handiwork Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// If this message has reached you by mistake, please accept our apology. Your name was carefully selected in a search of those who are interested in handicrafts. This is not a "junk" mailing.If you wish to be removed please reply in the subject with "Remove" and you will automatically be eliminated from future mailings. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1325158894-1510150@mail.mia.net> Hello Fellow Crafters! We have created a program we call Crafters Corner. It is based on a 25% commission basis. We provide the page(s) for your specialties and products, along with a secured server order form/feedback form. (There is no charge for the page(s) or hosting.) This includes the ability to take credit cards w/no points or fees per transaction. Our site is dedicated to the Arts, Crafts, Collectibles, Antiques & Hobby Field. We promote our site to over 350+ search engines along with all of our patrons and we bring the traffic to you! We also offer a Craft Club that includes classifieds, free drawings and contests and much more! Also, starting February 10th we will be sponsoring a virtual, on-line "Treasure Hunt". Participants have the opportunity to enter many various drawings for prizes. This will bring in added traffic to the site and each patron. If you are interested in more info please contact us at: mailto:craftclub@mia.net and / or view our mirror site at: http://www.mia.net/craftclub Thank You for your attention and consideration! Sincerely, Jeny CraftCluc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 01:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:43:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: More lead Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb8.17408.0> Precedence: bulk > > > Rita Gergely, Director > > > Lead Poisoning Prevention Programs > > > 1-800-972-2026 This was an EXCELLENT post from Rita Gergely. I hope all bungi people will print it out and keep a copy. I would only add a couple of comments. > > > Bottom Line Recommendations for you: If I were you, I would NOT do > > > this work in my kitchen/living area. Do you have a basement, porch, > > > or other area where you could do this work? < I really think the craft belongs out of the house all together. Lead is released in a fume form during soldering. These invisible tiny particles can stay airborne for hours. They will go anywhere air currents take them. This means the whole house can be contaminated. And once the stuff settles it can get tracked everywhere. > >> You should get some > > > blood lead testing to determine your current blood lead level. < You just can't say this often enough. And it is important to get the blood lead while you are working regularly at the craft. When you wait a couple of weeks, the blood lead drops because the lead is partly deposited in bones and tissues. > > > You > > > should go to an auto parts store and buy a HEPA or Air Purifying > > > Respirator (sometimes, they are sold as "brake and clutch" > > > respirators because are they worn when working with asbestos in > > > brakes and clutches. < I wouldn't recommend doing this. I suggest you call a real safety equipment supplier like Lab Safety if you want a secure source and good technical advice. Their technical number is 800/356-2501. Also the filter and cartridge certifications for particulates will all be different as of July 1998. HEPAs come in a number of varieties now and you want to be sure you are getting the top grade of HEPA now. It is now called the P100. And they are not as cheap, sorry. l Also, not everyone should wear a respirator. The OSHA regs require: 1. A medical check--people with lung, heart, or certain other physical problems can make them worse by wearing a respirator which adds a lot of breathing stress. Some doctors don't want pregnant patients wearing them under certain conditions either. 2. A fit test--the respirators are designed to fit the majority of the market which just happens to be male, Caucasian faces. Some people can't find any respirators that will really fit and then they are just fooling themselves. But individuals usually can't get a professional fit test. It involves putting you in an kind of enclosure with a contaminant that has an odor or taste and then you do a series of movement and maneuvers to see if it leaks when you move. 3. Formal training--to know how to don, doff and fit check (blocking the exhalation valve with your hand and blowing out, etc...), how to clean and store them, know when to change the cartridge, etc. >>> You should not be doing this work at all if > > > you are pregnant.< You probably should stop way before you are pregnant when you just have a glint in your eye! We now know that lead previously stored in the bones is released to the fetus during pregnancy. Best to keep lead levels as low as possible if you plan to be pregnant. I would add to the blood lead data with the following quote from a Report to Congress on Worker's Home Contamination (DHHS(NIOSH) Pub No. 95-123). p. 13: "Evidence also indicates that children exposed in utero are at increased risk for adverse neurobehavioral and growth effects if their mothers' BLL is as low as 8ug/dL and the umbilical cord BLL at birth is greater than about 6 ug/dL." I suggest that young women start right out using the lead-free solders. They require a little more skill than the more forgiving lead solders, but they are worth the effort. > You should not let children or other family > > > members in the area where you are working. If children or other > > > family members have already been around when you are doing this > > > work, they should all get blood lead tests.< The area must be off limits to children even when you are not working since there will be some dust and contamination in that area. Again, this was a wonderful post. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Craft and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0052 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 04:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:13:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:22:46 -0600 Message-ID: <199802091209.GAA09830@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk I think you have pretty much answered your own questions Carol. If you do not finish your installation with wood/metal stops then the considerations you have discussed will certainly apply. A person capable of fabricating a SG panel should be more then able to measure and cut some finish trim with a little effort. It makes for a more finished, professional installation. Len >So, I really like the concept of being able to trim lead to fit, but here's >my question...if the entire weight of the panel is sitting on the H of the >bottom came, won't the outer part of the H collapse affecting the vertical >fit of the panel (and make it too short)?? Those lead fins don't seem to >have much strength. > >Also, it seems to me that over time the weight of the panel might cause the >H came to stretch around the location of the plastic installation clips that >work so well with zinc borders. Comments??? > >Also, does anyone have any comments on the look of lead came borders on a >copper foil panel...over time I think it might look odd as the lead will >take on a darker colour. > >As you can tell, I'm a strong devotee of zinc came borders since they also >add to the strength of the panel, as well as simplifying installation. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative > >(who dreads the idea of having to bring her 'hacker carpentry' skills to >stained glass installation). Chickens and oysters don't mind looking at my >woodworking, but I think homeowners might. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 05:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: not quite glass: Bonnie Clark Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.24657.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry to hear of another bungian's passing. Thank you for telling us. I = dedicate the moments of silence that we had on bungi to her memory, if = that's not inappropriate. Linda Campbell NCScouter wrote: Sandra S Semperger wrote: >=20 > To all of fishbait's ( Bonnie Clarks ) friends > Bonnie died of complications of Diabetes, in Yakaima Washington at 7 = AM > on February 6 th. If you have questions please feel free to write me > Sandra Semperger at suzannewest@juno.com or to Sylvia Rich at > ladyrich@juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 06:09:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:10:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Your favorite 'green' art glass... Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: <199802091302.IAA22948@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk > I'm wondering if I could please have everyone's input on what is their > absolute favorite green/green-blend art glass to use for tree leaves? I guess it would very much depend on the type of leaves you're trying to paint. My favorite is Bullseye mottled emerald green. Sometimes the sheets have very dark tones sometimes light, sometimes both. If Zane from Signature Glass reads this, he can probably give you the color number as I bought the Bullseye from there. Dany ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 06:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:23:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: not quite glass: dedication of silence Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.02315.0> References: <<01BD352F.50023960@mmc043.memach.com>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Sorry to hear of another bungian's passing. Thank you for telling us. I dedicate > the moments of silence that we had on bungi to her memory, if that's not > inappropriate. > > Linda Campbell |----- I second the motion for dedicating the silence of the bungi list in memory of our friend and fellow stained glass artisan Bonnie Clark. I was humbled by her generousity and friendship. May the glass she works with in heaven be 10 times better than Lambert's! Valerie Tydings Phelps ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 07:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:14:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1604417631-7606 Subject: Fwd: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:13:53 -0800 Message-ID: <199802091413.GAA10933@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1604417631-7606 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --WebTV-Mail-1604417631-7606 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:59:10 -0800 To: exotic@lobo.net (Myrddn) Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Some extra tools you might want to pick up for your shop that will help making windows a little easier are: 3, 4, 6, & 8 foot metal rulers. at least a couple of different sizes of carpenter squares, and a plum bob. Also, a good quality tape measure, not the $1.99 ones. The long rulers will get you nice straight lines. The Carpenter squares will give you right angles. The plum bob will let you know if the side of a window is straight and vertical. I build my panels on particle board and use wooden yard sticks or 1 1/4" flat molding for the edges. Horsehoe nails work great to hold everything in alignment. I undersize all windows by 1/16 on the sides and 1/16" on the top. Using the above mentioned tools helps assure, that should the window need adjusting, the completed panel will fit nicely and allow for expansion and contraction of the house. I have yet to have a panel not fit. Generally, 1/4 round molding is used to hold the panel in place and this is available in different sizes. However, sometimes special profiled molding is used to match other molding. I leave all the actual installation to a licenced contractor. Hope this helps. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio --WebTV-Mail-1604417631-7606-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 07:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead free solder Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.42018.0> Precedence: bulk I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or so. I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on which brand to start with? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 08:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Zinc vs. lead Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:23:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.02355.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, On the question of using H lead came vs. Zinc came for the border of a panel, I do a lot of garden bath windows and most of the time I do use Zinc because of the strength. I will occasionally use lead if I am at all hesitant on if it's going to fit or not (because it's easier to trim). I have never had a problem with sagging. My panels are usually foiled and have restrip in them. Also If zinc is used --I use 3/8" U came Zinc. I measure and mark a 1/4" off the pattern for everything to fit properly. I usually have a nice tight fit. One other little trick I use. If I really have a question on the squareness of the window I will stretch a string from one corner to the other (diagonally) and keeping my fingers on the string at the right measurement I do the same with the other side. If the two diagonals don't match I know I have to then make a template. Hope this helps. Diane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 09:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:41:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: age49@epix.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: band saws? Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.53858.0> References: <<1998Feb8.164552.0>> Precedence: bulk age49@epix.net wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > j > > no only a glass bandsaw can be used to cut glass. > > Wouldn't a scroll saw do just fine for glass? > > Dan > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass only if it's outfitted with a glass cutting adapter. where the metal blade is replaced with a diamond one. and a retro-fit for a water holder. mainly you need something that will cut the glass, and keep it wet. there is an adapter for a scroll saw, but it makes everything wet. and you don't want any vibration or the glass may shatter. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 09:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:04:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Worth of old window? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.6310.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. A client just brought in an old leaded church window that his mother had stored in her basement for decades. I've been asked to tell him its worth. I was wondering if anyone could direct me on where I should go to get it appraised, as I am not an expert in these matters. It's a round window 36 1/2" in diameter, encased within an iron frame. It has the rebars running into the iron frame, which have been instrumental in keeping this window in good condition. The scene is an angel looking almost front-on, holding a thin scroll upon which are the words "of such is the kingdom of heaven". This angel is done in cathedral red, white, light blue, teal, purple and yellow glass, with quite a lot of glass painting. There is silver stain yellow crown on the angel's head and in the halo. The wings are highly detailed with feathers painted in brown. The face and hand details are also in the umber brown. The white robe is painted with a very light black to give the illusion of drapes in the robe. The yellow accents in the robe also have painted areas. I suspect the red is flashed glass, but am not sure. There are 71 pieces of glass, of which 6 are broken. There are no missing pieces and breaks are clean and can be repaired (?UV glue?). The lead is OK, but the panel could use a re-puddying and cleanup. I can find no signature on it, or anything else which might indicate maker or age. =46rom looking through Elizabeth Morris's book "Stained and Decorative Glass", this window most closely resembles work by Charles Eamer Kempe. Any help in where I can turn to get an estimate on this window's value would be greatly appreciated. I have just photographed it and can send pictures to those who might be able to help. Thanks! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 09:41:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:48:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: light table Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:52:54 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk There have been several suggestions for alternates to light tables, some expensive, some small. I thought I might share what I did. I took my Morton System cutting surface, placed it on two 2x4's running the long direction that rest on 4 bricks. Underneath it I put two GE Lightsticks. I only had to buy the light sticks, had the scrap and bricks. It was cheap, and I don't have to deal with particle board. (In Southern Louisiana, particle board tends to become gooey sawdust in a few months.) Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 09:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:07:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Susan Jordan Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.656.0> References: <<1998Feb9.42018.0>> Precedence: bulk Susan Jordan Bennett wrote: > > I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead > especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or so. > I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. > Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has > anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on > which brand to start with? > > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass lead free (i don't think), solder's as well. it's also more expensive. and i think it contains antimony which can be just as bad as lead... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 09:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:49:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: Classydad@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pool table light pattern Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:47:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb9.164758.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-08 10:02:45 EST, you write: << I am just finishing a pool table light, >> I am very interested in making a pool table light for our home table. Anyone know of any patterns available...need to make any modifications? At this point, open to tiffany style or lead came. Any suggestions are appreciated. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 10:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: My Favorite Shop to Buy Glass From Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.6555.0> Precedence: bulk Along the lines of someone looking for our favorite green, my favorite = place to buy glass is the Glass Gallery in Yorktown, VA not only because = Mike is a nice guy but because he has an inventory, sales system that = helps me to buy glass. I can go in and say, "Mike remember that piece of = green that I bought for my lamp that was kinda wispy on one side and = striped on the other...." He looks in his computer and tells me is = Spectrum No. xxx-xxx and when I bought it and whether he has any in = stock. Saves my brain space for creating. I love it. Thanks, Mike if you = are out there. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 11:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:00:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Worth of old window? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Hi all. A client just brought in an old leaded church window > that his mother had stored in her basement for decades. > I've been asked to tell him its worth. I was wondering if > anyone could direct me on where I should go to get it > appraised, as I am not an expert in these matters. Why not give Julie Sloan a call? She doesn't do appraisals, but could put you in touch with good people that do. She's at Cummings Stained Glass Studios, Inc. PO Box 427 North Adams MA 01247 Phone: ( 413 ) 664 - 6578 Fax: (413) 664-6570 Email: cummings@vgernet.net Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 11:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:51:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com, Margaret41@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pool table light pattern Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199802091849.KAA20397@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk Check the Worden catalog. There are a couple of pool table lamps in it. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 12:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:55:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: morn@nac.net (M. Savad), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: band saws? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:54:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199802091854.KAA21093@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk There is a company called RBI Industries (I believe that is the name) that makes a scroll saw for cutting glass. It offers a water drip system above the blade and a large cutting surface. But at around $1200 or so....well, that's getting kinda pricey. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 12:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:45:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Robert & Jeanne Keane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: light table Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:43:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.94332.0> References: <> Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Don McDonald wrote: > > There have been several suggestions for alternates to light tables, > some expensive, some small. I thought I might share what I did. > Here's what we lucked into and I mean lucked into, but it may give some addtional places to look for a light box. We recently opened a retail store and in the process of cleaning up we came across an old (not real old) sign-box, it measures 2'X8' and is lighted by two high output 8' flourescent tubes. To cover it we used the old sign faces off of the outdoor signs. These are 1/4" acrylic or plexiglass and are white but still allow a great deal of light to pass through them. Soooo...of you know of anyplace you could locate some old sign boxes this might be worth a try, although I don't know if you would want a box that big in your basement. Hope this helps. Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass 17 Main Street Reisterstown, MD 21136 410-833-3007 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 13:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: New show added to list Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:41:14 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Habatat Galleries will be presenting the hot-formed sculptures by Richard Ritter and new work by Stephen Powell. Opening reception: Friday, March 6, 7:30 p.m. For information, Habatat Galleries, Inc., 32255 Northwestern Hwy. #45, Farmington Hills MI 48334. Phone: (313) 851-9090. Fax: (313) 851-9720. The above has been added to EVENTS at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com and we've asked the gallery for photos to include. We hope to have them soon! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 14:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:50:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Susan, I have had very poor experience with the Fry brand lead-free solder. It caused a build up on the iron tip which had to be cleaned off with Sal Amoniac every 15 minutes or so (very bad for the tip). I called the Weller people and they said that it was caused by impurities in the solder. I have since switched to Classique solder and it is excellent. Good Luck. Sarah >I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead >especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or so. >I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. >Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has >anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on >which brand to start with? > >Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 14:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:54:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Dianne G. Maddison" Subject: Measuring diagonals Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:35:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.20357.0> References: <<1998Feb9.02355.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb9.02355.0@?>, "Dianne G. Maddison" writes Dianne, One quibble. String stretches. How do you make sure you are keeping the same tension on the string throughout the operation? A carpenter gave me a good tip. Use two thin strips of wood or dowling and place the end of each into the diagonally opposite corners. Mark where one dowling ends on the other. Then do the same for the other corners. If the wood is stiff enough, there is no bending and so any differences in length can be accurately judged. This also works on verticals and horizontals to check for variation without measuring. If the height is the same at intervals across the opening, then no further measuring is needed. If not, then get out the measuring instrument! Steve > >One other little trick I use. If I really have a question on the >squareness of the window I will stretch a string from one corner to the >other (diagonally) and keeping my fingers on the string at the right >measurement I do the same with the other side. If the two diagonals >don't match I know I have to then make a template. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 14:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:06:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:17:02 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.20172.0> References: <<199802090549.VAA20366@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199802090549.VAA20366@norm.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >Hi all, > >So, I really like the concept of being able to trim lead to fit, but here's >my question...if the entire weight of the panel is sitting on the H of the >bottom came, won't the outer part of the H collapse affecting the vertical >fit of the panel (and make it too short)?? Those lead fins don't seem to >have much strength. > I've taken out windows from the middle of the 19th century for restoration,and the windows weight has not crushed the lead at the bottom. Now, the lower portion of the 'H' was closed, and tacks were driven through the came on the vertical sides of the window, although I don't think that had any effect. [diversion - in another life, I was superintendent of the Radclife Camera (part of the Bodleian Library in Oxford (UK, not Ohio)) and occasionally went up to the inside of the lead covered dome to check for death watch beetle, etc. There you can see what weight does to nails. In fact the iron nails cut the lead as its weight pulls downwards. After 200+ years, the cast lead was replaced and 40 years on, there is no visible sign of tearing yet. It will happen though] No, the real support to the window is to be stuck with putty to the frame. Most windows I have to restore are sagging in the middle, and none at the sides. Strength for the window needs to be across it not at the sides. Steels inside the came where possible, and at the weak ponts certainly, will provide much more strength than a bit of zinc at the borders. My opinon of course. >Also, it seems to me that over time the weight of the panel might cause the >H came to stretch around the location of the plastic installation clips that >work so well with zinc borders. Comments??? I'd not be too happy with the strength of plastic installation clips. Being a traditionalist, I'd bet on the lead and traditional installation techniques. :) > >Also, does anyone have any comments on the look of lead came borders on a >copper foil panel...over time I think it might look odd as the lead will >take on a darker colour. > If the panel is so heavy as to deform the 'H' lead came border, I'd be worried about the integrity of the whole panel. >As you can tell, I'm a strong devotee of zinc came borders since they also >add to the strength of the panel, as well as simplifying installation. > As said above, I don't think you get any additional strength from borders. They (in the kind of installation I do) are already the strong part of the window. The weakness is in the centre. So saddle bars, re- bars, and internal steels seem to me to be the strength providers. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 15:07:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "M. Savad" Subject: Re: band saws? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:55:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.195520.0> References: <<1998Feb8.122534.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb8.122534.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes >jnl wrote: >> >> My husband has a bandsaw for woodcutting, can I use the same saw with a >> different blade? What type should I choose? >> >> Lisa >no only a glass bandsaw can be used to cut glass. ........ >---Mike Savad I'm not sure I agree with that Mike. The important element is what the cutting surface of the blade consists of. A diamond impregnated blade will cut glass even if it is on a woodworkers band saw table. An arrangement can be made to supply water to the blade with a drip feed. Of course, the band saw may not like water near it! :) -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 15:31:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:43:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: light table Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:41:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.94114.0> References: <> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hey Folks, I love inventiveness and decided to come out of my "thrifty" closet and share my "found objects" light table construction. I'm using a 6" deep desk drawer. Into this, I've placed a flourescent automotive drop-light (stolen from the hubby's toolbox). Atop the drawer, I put 1/4" thick tempered glass (which began it's life as a stereo cabinet door). To mimick a Morton surface, I'm using a waffle-type ceiling fixture cover (left from the barn construction project). VOILA!...a light table for the "economically challenged". Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Don McDonald wrote: > I took my Morton System cutting surface, placed it on two 2x4's > running the long direction that rest on 4 bricks. Underneath it I > put two GE Lightsticks. Robert & Jeanne Keane wrote: > We recently opened a retail > store and in the process of cleaning up we came across an old > sign-box, it measures 2'X8' and is lighted by two high output 8' > flourescent > tubes. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 17:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: terracom.net!kkruger From: kent&karen kruger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:51:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.175132.0> Precedence: bulk please take my name off the list for the e-mail. too many e-mails and nothing is said. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 18:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:59:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: light table Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:54:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199802100058.AAA04700@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley (et al), What a splendid idea!! Here is my own version for the "econimically challenged"; An old metal plate thrown out by the BBC engineering dept., measuring roughly 24 x 24 inches; 4 rubber feet (ditto) light tube fixings old floor boards cut up to form the sides, sanded and varnished & put together; 6 mm thick obscure perspex sheet (thrown out by ?) 1 x willing (and able) husband, who - bless him - even put a brass handle on it so I could easily carry it around, should I so wish. I have had it now for 15 years. It works great for me... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Shirley wrote: I love inventiveness and decided to come out of my "thrifty" closet and share my "found objects" light table construction. I'm using a 6" deep desk drawer. Into this, I've placed a flourescent automotive drop-light (stolen from the hubby's toolbox). Atop the drawer, I put 1/4" thick tempered glass (which began it's life as a stereo cabinet door). To mimick a Morton surface, I'm using a waffle-type ceiling fixture cover (left from the barn construction project). VOILA!...a light table for the "economically challenged". ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 19:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:00:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bonnie Clark Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:54:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199802100058.AAA04676@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk A word "From Across The Pond". We are very saddened by the surprising news. Bonnie was a keen and helpful contributor, with a delightful and "chirpy" spirit. As Kris -my computer guru - says: Everything in Life is transient - including Life itself..... I too will remember her. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 19:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:00:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:54:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199802100058.AAA04692@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Steve, You are absolutely right; this has been my own experience also and agree with your opinion and words - even though I never had the pleasure of "eye-balling" the death-watch beetles at the Bodlean Library in Oxford... ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Steve wrote: Strength for the window needs to be across it not at the sides. Steels inside the came where possible, and at the weak ponts certainly, will provide much more strength than a bit of zinc at the borders. My opinon of course. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 19:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.154516.0> Precedence: bulk Actually there are a few formulae for lead free solder, although none contain antimony. Antimony is traditionally used to add stiffness to lead (I think my high school science teacher was full of it) (as well as tin) but in numbers below 1% (in the case of tin- 4%). Lead free solder typically contains 97% tin and 3% copper, and therefore the reason for the higher price. Another thing to remember is that if you want to use lead free solder then you'll have to use flux, flux brush and soldering iron tip that has not come into contact with lead previously. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: Susan Jordan Bennett Date: February 9, 1998 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Lead free solder >Susan Jordan Bennett wrote: >> >> Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has >> anyone experimented with the various brands? >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >lead free (i don't think), solder's as well. it's also more expensive. >and i think it contains antimony which can be just as bad as lead... > >---Mike Savad > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 19:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: help me find M. Greer Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.15585.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother bungi, but Michael J. Greer e-mailed me about the lead studies I mentioned on Bungi last week, but I can't send my reply to his "name only" compuserve address. He needs to send me his compuserve *number* address. [Monona Rossol] 75054.2542@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 19:44:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:47:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Measuring diagonals Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:46:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199802100246.SAA11886@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk Another option... for measuring diagonals with a tape measure is to hold the tape with the number 1" at the corner and measure to the other corner. Just remember to subtract 1" from the measurement arrived at. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 9 22:10:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:31:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: light table Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.192853.0> Precedence: bulk Years ago I made a light table by cutting the middle out of an old office desk. I built a frame for the top from 2*4 lumber and used an old thick plastic rug protector that was discarded from an office for the top. (The kind that goes in front of a desk for an office chair to roll on.) I just stuck a couple of clamp lamps on the legs shining up to light it up and used some white paint on the underside of the plastic to cut the glare. You have to test the white paint first. Some are too opaque and the light doesn't get through. ( I just sent another message about zinc frames and forgot to change the address. Whoever receives it, please forward it to the group. Thanks) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 00:41:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:12:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <199802100803.AAA01096@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Mike, Why? Jean ---------- Mike wrote > Another thing to remember is that if you want to use lead free solder then > you'll have to use flux, flux brush and soldering iron tip that has not come > into contact with lead previously. > - > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 02:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:28:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:32:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.93234.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:17 09/02/98 +0000, Steve wrote in part: >.... I don't think you get any additional strength from >borders. They (in the kind of installation I do) are already the strong >part of the window. The weakness is in the centre. So saddle bars, re- >bars, and internal steels seem to me to be the strength providers. Sam who has taken apart and restored several hundred old windows would like to "reinforce" Steve's message, particularly his last statement. For new work we always design the necessary reinforcement structure into the pattern of the panel from the start as we don't like the effect of it being just an added extra. Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 04:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:15:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Glass classes and apprenticeships Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:21:37 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Added to the Sources Guide this morning is this information about stained glass courses and apprenticeships in Chicago; it also appears under "What's New?" at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com City Colleges of Chicago, 360 W. Wellington Ste. 12A, Chicago IL 60657. Phone: (312) 553-2888. (773) 929-3993. E-mail: david_ward@ccgate.ccc.edu City Colleges of Chicago is the largest minority multi-campus in the world with seven colleges and numerous auxiliary sites. One of their major missions is to supply students with jobs both during their education and afterward, as well as to work with local community businesses. Toward that end, in 1997 they started a stained glass apprenticeship program in conjunction with Harry Truman and Harold Washington Colleges and Klopsch Stained Glass, Stained Glass Emporium, Stained Glass Art Supplies, Glass Art & Decorating Studio, etc. Beginning in the Winter Term (1998), they began placing art/ceramic students at those companies as interns and/or apprentices. They also plan to introduce stained glass into the ceramics programs of those colleges as pilot projects, then to roll the programs out to all other colleges in the system. They also plan to integrate the glass program into their crafts course. For information, contact David Ward at (312) 553-2888 or (773) 929-3993. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 05:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 05:18:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: msn.com!vafi From: "Mehmet Akgunay" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: request info. Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I would like to get copies of your stained glass information .Thanks.Vafi4@msn.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 08:09:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:33:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: rejones@CapAccess.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pool table light pattern Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:29:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb10.152921.0> Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > > I am very interested in making a pool table light for our home table. Anyone > know of any patterns available...need to make any modifications? At this > point, open to tiffany style or lead came. Any suggestions are appreciated. I made one using a pattern for a 18" round lamp. After making each end, I carried the pattern into a straight section about 3 feet long. I then put a standard shop light fixture in it. It looked great for about a year then started to sag. I did not use any rebar (OOPS!) Live and learn. BobThanks Bob for your input. I will remember 'rebars'. Thank you all for your input...I've ordered the Word Lamp catalog. I hope this reaches bungi in readable forma...I attempted to copy/edit the text...I'm now keying in on a 'black' colored screen. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 08:44:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802101533.HAA22919@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk >At 20:17 09/02/98 +0000, Steve wrote in part: >>.... I don't think you get any additional strength from >>borders. They (in the kind of installation I do) are already the strong >>part of the window. The weakness is in the centre. So saddle bars, re- >>bars, and internal steels seem to me to be the strength providers. > >Sam who has taken apart and restored several hundred old windows would like >to "reinforce" Steve's message, particularly his last statement. For new >work we always design the necessary reinforcement structure into the pattern >of the panel from the start as we don't like the effect of it being just an >added extra. Hmmm, I think I've given the group the impression that I don't reinforce internally as well as using zinc came...I do and I tend to overbuild things . I use restrip liberally in my work. I guess my question for the group now becomes (as a lead came novice) is there internal reinforcement available for lead? How is it used? I've never liked to use external reinforcement unless it's absolutely necessary (and yes, I do design those lines into my piece ahead of time). Is there some parallel to restrip for lead came??? If there is something I don't know about, it will probably help overcome my reluctance to use lead came. Also, what is the best book on working with lead came...for the advanced stuff, not just building a basic panel? Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 09:13:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Ridkah From: Ridkah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Has anyone downloaded the Glasseye Internet Design Program? Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:33:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb10.163319.0> Precedence: bulk Would be interested in other opinions on this great free program. My opinion: I find the option to resize and print patterns a wonderful innovation to the glass world. Most of the "pay for" patterns are very reasonable as well, considering all the hassle it would be to make a pattern full size by other methods. The free patterns have variety and are good although some are aimed at the beginner. Would like a tutorial to learn all the great things this program does of which I'm sure I am still not awareand to find all the patterns (nearly 200) more easily. Altogether, a great new alternative to the projector or Xerox method of patterns and I'll be anxious to go back for updates on this product as they become available. J.L.Parker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 09:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:01:18 -0600 Message-ID: <199802101650.KAA22509@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk -- >P.S. I am amazed that most US workers seem to be in copper foil even >for large panels. Steve, The copper foil method is the driving force behind the popularity of SG in the US. The industry in the late 70's made the correct determination that this method which is easier to learn, less physically demanding, cleaner, requires less work space and in many respects more versitile then leaded work would be the method that they would support. The equipement, teaching materials, supplies etc. that have been introduced into the marketplace during the last twenty years are for the most part geared for foil workers. If you look at increase in the number of folks who participate in the craft in the US you'd have to say that their decision was right on the mark. However when foil crafters move into the area of larger panel fabrication there seems to be very little available to guarantee that the structural integrity of the panels is maintained. To my knowledge very few commercial studios that do large scale installations use the foil method. ( there are exceptions I know) For me it is difficult to accept that a large foiled panel ( especially with large pieces) has the necessary strength and flexibility to hold together properly even with bracing attached to the foil solder bead which is really not very strong compared to a leaded and cemented section. I would be interested in hearing from foil crafters who have built large panels and how they overcame these shortcomings. Or, if someone can recommend a book that deals with the engineering of large foil panels I would appreciate it. On the other hand since most panels are installed on the inside against existing glazing and are not exposed to moisture or wind load it might in fact be a moot point. Len And that they seem to be secondary glazing most of >the time. Have I got it wrong? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 09:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:29:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vortex.netbistro.com!pom From: "J. Smith" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: lead free solder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:33:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.83324.0> Precedence: bulk In order to use lead free solder its mentioned , you need to use supplies that have not come in contact with lead, then how could would it work for soldering....... came, zinc, brass etc.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 10:09:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:02:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Lead blood tests Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 10:00:47 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Feb9.15585.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk Hi Monona You've commented upon the fact that after a couple of weeks, the lead has precipitated (adsorbed perhaps?) out into the liver and bones and that a blood test won't show much, if anything. adsorbed In this case, months or years later, what can be done to detect the amount of lead absorbed into a body? Are there any tests that can show this, or does one have to undergo a bone biopsy and spectrograph analysis? The reason I ask, is that lots of us have taken blood tests for lead, but for myself, only every year or two. If they aren't going to show anything, then this is a waste of time and money. Thanks, Charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 10:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:39:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: using H came for window borders Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199802101739.JAA06726@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk Also available is brass re-enforced lead came. It has a strip of brass running the length of the came and is embedded in the heart. Also, Cascade Re-Strip fits into the channel of lead. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 11:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:11:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb9.62957.0> References: <<1998Feb9.42018.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I got out my Cline's Catalog and their blurb under lead free solder is this: 95% tin, 1% silver, 4% copper. It handles like 50/50 solder. It contains no antimony, arsenic, zinc, bismuth, or cadmium. 1 lb. Canfield solder > > I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead > especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or so. > I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. > Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has > anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on > which brand to start with? > > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 12:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "len alcamo" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.91334.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Len- I'd say about 90% of the stained glass work we do is with lead. The = other two major studios in town work almost exclusively in lead - in fact, have sent copperfoil customers to us because we won't turn them away;-) !! When you're doing architectural glass, leaded panels just make more sense from design perspective, structurally, and, last but not least, from a profit = stand-point. Face it, once you get used to working with lead, you can build a = window faster, it looks crisper, and most of the time, the customer thinks it's worth more. If someone wants a floral window with 1,000 pieces of glass, sure it would be copper foil. But, we don't get alot of those commissions... who does? I'd be interested in finding out what the = commission studios are selling the most of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 13:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "[unknown]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.111359.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "len alcamo" >I would be interested in hearing from foil crafters who have built large= panels and how they overcame these shortcomings. Or, if someone can recommend a book that deals with the engineering of large foil panels I would appreciate it.> The largest copper foil panel I've done to date measures 66" wide by 33 1/2" tall (inclusive of wooden framing). I made extensive use of Re-Strip for internal re-inforcement. Framed the copper foil panel in 1/8" zinc U channel. Framed that in 1" Northern Hardwoods Oak frame. It is installed on the inside against existing glazing, and is he= ld in place by wooden quarter round molding, as installed by my construction carpenter guy. It is in my own bathroom, right above the whirlpool tub, and is an East facing window. Lots of sun. Lots of heat build up in the summer time, but the heat escapes through spaces between the moldings. Installed in 1995. No cracks. No problems. Patina still looks fine. Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:21:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.intel.com!lynice_spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Share Bevelling Experience Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:20:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.52026.0> Precedence: bulk I've just started learning this process on my Diamond Max bevel kit. I've done 3 so far and I'm learning some things as I go. I would be interested in hearing others' tips/experiences. It's kind of frustrating. I think I've just figured out what the glass should look like before going on to the next finer stage of abrasive, but now I'm having trouble keeping the bevel all in the same plane. I think this is imperative in order to get all the scratches of a certain level out before moving on. I had been moving the glass around too much on the disk, moving from the shaft out toward my body and in again. I've found that if I stay at the same distance from the shaft and move back and forth in parallel with the 15-degree block it seems to keep in the same plane better. My bevels still look like po*p though. It gives me a new appreciation for bevels and an understanding of their cost. It's very time intensive. I've also found that bevelling clear glass is a whole lot easier because you can see through to what surface is actually contacting the wheel. But I want colored bevels. This is going to take a while. L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 14:09:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:26:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.intel.com!lynice_spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Glass Tumbling Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.52349.0> Precedence: bulk I know others have talked about tumbling glass scraps in a rock tumbler. We just got one over the weekend and I was amazed to read that in order to tumble rocks, you have to keep them in the tumbler for 7 straight days at each level of abrasive! We're thinking glass won't take this long since it probably falls between 3 and 5 on the hardness scale. We've been tumbling for 2 days straight now and tonight we think we may be ready for the next finer abrasive. How long do the glass tumblers on the list usually tumble their scraps at each stage? Thanks, L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 15:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Spangler, Lynice" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Tumbling Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.12288.0> References: <<1998Feb10.52349.0>> Precedence: bulk Spangler, Lynice wrote: > > I know others have talked about tumbling glass scraps in a rock tumbler. > We just got one over the weekend and I was amazed to read that in order > to tumble rocks, you have to keep them in the tumbler for 7 straight > days at each level of abrasive! We're thinking glass won't take this > long since it probably falls between 3 and 5 on the hardness scale. > We've been tumbling for 2 days straight now and tonight we think we may > be ready for the next finer abrasive. How long do the glass tumblers on > the list usually tumble their scraps at each stage? > > Thanks, > L. Spangler > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i guess it would depend on how rough you want it to look. generally, stones start rough and go to smooth. but with beach glass you want it roughish ( i believe). generally for glass, i'd have to say you can probably cut the time in half. the best way is to try it out. that's what i did with my rock tumbler. each day opening it and seeing how smooth the rocks are. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 15:51:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:24:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:24:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.72414.0> References: <<01BD363C.8C942A60@mmc043.memach.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Shirley said: > > I got out my Cline's Catalog and their blurb under lead free solder is > this: > 95% tin, 1% silver, 4% copper. It handles like 50/50 solder. It > contains no antimony, arsenic, zinc, bismuth, or cadmium. 1 lb. Canfield > solder > > It does NOT handle like 50/50 solder. I used it on a canning jar turned into a candy dispenser and it was very pasty. > > Linda -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 16:09:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:26:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Jean" , "Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.131440.0> Precedence: bulk Why? If you wipe a flux laden flux brush along a solder line then drop that brush back into your flux bottle you're going to end up with lead in your flux defeating the purpose of using leadfree solder. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Jean To: Glass list Date: February 10, 1998 3:54 AM Subject: Re: Lead free solder >Mike, > > Why? > >Jean > >---------- > >Mike wrote > >> Another thing to remember is that if you want to use lead free solder >then >> you'll have to use flux, flux brush and soldering iron tip that has not >come >> into contact with lead previously. >> - >> Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 16:14:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:39:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802102338.SAA10773@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, > >I'd say about 90% of the stained >glass work we do is with lead. I'd >be interested in finding out what the = > >commission studios are selling the most >of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? > We don't do any copperfoil. Most clients come to us because of who we are and what we do. If they wanted copperfoil they would have gone somewhere else. I hope that doesn't sound to egotistical but it happens to be the truth. my best, pj (who remembers teaching a few copperfoil classes and cringes) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 16:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'Shirley Balloch'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:29:00 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.16290.0> Precedence: bulk I have made jewelry, especially pins with lead free solder, found no = problems.. I use a good Hakko iron, flux, and found no difference in = decorative soldering on the jewelry pieces.. I believe your iron will = be the solution to your problems.. I like to keep Canfield in stock..=20 Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch [SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 8:30 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead free solder I got out my Cline's Catalog and their blurb under lead free solder is this: 95% tin, 1% silver, 4% copper. It handles like 50/50 solder. It contains no antimony, arsenic, zinc, bismuth, or cadmium. 1 lb. Canfield solder >=20 > I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead > especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or = so. > I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. > Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has > anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on > which brand to start with? >=20 > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --=20 xY>"3=16=01=06?=08 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 16:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:46:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'Spangler, Lynice'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Share Bevelling Experience Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:22:22 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.162222.0> Precedence: bulk I would be interested.. Are you using just standard 1/8 inch glass.. I = know that bevel stock is thicker, but like you I always wanted colored = cathedral bevels.. Your trying is very interesting. Please leave me know, Also, hopefully some bevelers might share their = techniques. Thanks in advance Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Spangler, Lynice [SMTP:lynice_spangler@mail.intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 7:20 PM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: Share Bevelling Experience I've just started learning this process on my Diamond Max bevel kit. I've done 3 so far and I'm learning some things as I go. I would be interested in hearing others' tips/experiences.=20 It's kind of frustrating. I think I've just figured out what the glass should look like before going on to the next finer stage of abrasive, but now I'm having trouble keeping the bevel all in the same plane. I think this is imperative in order to get all the scratches of a certain level out before moving on. I had been moving the glass around too much on the disk, moving from the shaft out toward my body and in again. I've found that if I stay at the same distance from the shaft and move back and forth in parallel with the 15-degree block it seems to keep in the same plane better. My bevels still look like po*p though. It gives me a new appreciation for bevels and an understanding of their cost. It's very time intensive. =20 I've also found that bevelling clear glass is a whole lot easier because you can see through to what surface is actually contacting the wheel. But I want colored bevels. This is going to take a while. L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 17:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:32:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.intel.com!lynice_spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: FW: Share Bevelling Experience Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:30:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.8301.0> Precedence: bulk I did one early on with 1/8 inch but the edge got too thin. So I fused 2 pieces of the same color together in our kiln and that works much better. I tried the 1/4 inch glass, but it is so hard to cut without a saw. The piece I'm working up to will have beveled pieces in it where the beveled edge is longer than the width of the wheel. I'm not sure how that will work out since I'm having a hard enough time beveling an edge that fits on the wheel all at one time... Practice, practice... L. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria & George [SMTP:3hounds@usaor.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 8:22 PM > To: 'Spangler, Lynice'; 'glass@bungi.com' > Subject: RE: Share Bevelling Experience > > > > > I would be interested.. Are you using just standard 1/8 inch glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 18:18:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:31:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: foiled again Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:16:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.91650.0> Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >I'd say about 90% of the stained glass work we do is with lead. I'd be interested in finding out what the commission studios are selling the most of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? PJ wrote We don't do any copperfoil. Most clients come to us because of who we are and what we do. If they wanted copperfoil they would have gone somewhere else. I hope that doesn't sound to egotistical but it happens to be the truth. my best, pj (who remembers teaching a few copperfoil classes and cringes) I Don't do any lead came. Most clients come to me because of who I am and what I do. I f they wanted leadwork they would have gone somewhere else. I hope that doesn't sound too egotistical but it happens to be the truth. my best, Glenn Spicer ( who remembers teaching a few lead classes and cringes) ---well not really cringe, I like all glasswork, but do prefer copper foil. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 18:41:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:41:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead vs.copperfoil Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:39:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.123943.0> References: <<1998Feb10.91334.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dani, I can only speak for those [commission studios] in my County, and they are all 85-90 percent copperfoil; and in fact, I'm one of the few in THIS area of northeastern NC who actually ENJOYS the opportunity to work in lead! I'm trying VERY hard to break into the architechtural glass market in this area so that I can do more large leaded pieces for the seaside homes here. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Len- > I'd say about 90% of the stained > glass work we do is with lead. The > I'd be interested in finding out what the > commission studios are selling the most > of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 18:49:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:14:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: Ridkah@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Has anyone downloaded the Glasseye Internet Design Program? Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb10.161245.0> References: <<1998Feb10.163319.0>> Precedence: bulk I downloaded the Glasseye Internet dp, tried it out as far as loading one of the files (bluenude) and began to get "illegal operation"~ notices. I probably didn't turn off all the programs that were running "behind the scenes" before installing it. So I deleted it. I own the Glasseye Design program and I LOVe it - but that is another story. I guess I like to make my own patterns too much to depend on a pattern supplier. I might try it again if I can get it to run right. Bob Cutler Cutler@mail.wittenberg.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 Ridkah@aol.com wrote: > Would be interested in other opinions on this great free program. > > My opinion: > I find the option to resize and print patterns a wonderful innovation to the > glass world. Most of the "pay for" patterns are very reasonable as well, > considering all the hassle it would be to make a pattern full size by other > methods. The free patterns have variety and are good although some are aimed > at the beginner. Would like a tutorial to learn all the great things this > program does of which I'm sure I am still not awareand to find all the > patterns (nearly 200) more easily. Altogether, a great new alternative to the > projector or Xerox method of patterns and I'll be anxious to go back for > updates on this product as they become available. > > J.L.Parker > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 19:53:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:19:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Dining room table in glass? Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980210221910.006936e4@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk Hi, My name is Dava and I'm a glassaholic. I've been reading your posts for about 2 weeks and finally decided to dive in. I received a request to create a Dining Room table in glass. Actually she had a brain storm and called to ask me if it was possible. I don't see why not, but then again, I think nothing is impossible. Total optimist. I've been toying with potential designs, in my head, for a few weeks. I feel it is very feasible. It's all in the design, i.e.... strength, usability, safety, etc. Just a matter of working out the details. Does anyone have any ideas, impute, precautions, etc., that they would like to throw my way. All will be read. (Don't know if she will change her mind or not, so I'm not spending all my waking hours creating). Thanks, Dava Kopp I intend to live forever ..... so far, so good! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 20:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:57:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: foiled again Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:55:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.165538.0> References: <<1998Feb10.91650.0>> Precedence: bulk I specialize in copper foil, too, Glenn. Most of my customers tend to want panels with more intricate designs, and, I also make lamps for local shops which, of course, are done with foil. If it was good enough for Mr. Tiffany, it's good enough for me. I was also under the impression that foiled work is stronger, mainly because of the soldered seams and, of course, unlike lead, gravity doesn't affect foil. I've never had to repair a foiled piece because it fell out of the channel. There are pros and cons for each method, but I definitely prefer the foil. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 20:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:59:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: foiled again and again Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:58:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.105843.0> Precedence: bulk I do only foil....try a small piece Tiffany style in came! The few windows (larger ones 2.5x 4 feet) I have done have been a mix of came, zinc and foil. Foil for detail, came for "grids" and two zinc H cames to divide it into 3rds. I prefer ONLY shades and will generally quote around $300 PER SQUARE FOOT for a window. If I need to go to an artist for the design it is EXTRA! Yes, I do not get many window commissions. Each to their own........enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 21:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass Eye Program Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 06:38:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan4.03823.0> Precedence: bulk I downloaded the program and think its great. Living in Texas the cowboy pattern will be very popular. Didn't get too much of an oppurtunity to use it but was curious as to which graphic format could be imported. Any answers? Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 22:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:03:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Shared beveling experience Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:56:18, -0500 Message-ID: <199802110456.XAA19048@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >I've just started learning this process on my Diamond Max bevel kit. >I've done 3 so far and I'm learning some things as I go. I would be >interested in hearing others' tips/experiences. Welcome to the world of beveling. If it is any comfort I will share that my first bevel took me 18 tries to get a bevel I would not pass today. Learned on a Denver Studio Beveler which has upright wheels and can be a real challenge at first. Most of my beveling is now done on 12" Glasstar disc bevelers in four stages. The key to success lies in the first step. If this yields a roughed in bevel that is even and about 90% ground then the rest should go well. Of course, if the bevel is overcut it is necessary that it be discarded at this stage. Holding the bevel and moving back and forth at 90" to the center of the disc works well for me. Establishing the angle of the grind is a matter of feel. One quickly learns to follow the "bubble" and look through the glass to see the actual bearing surface that is being cut. Blind beveling, such as for mirror is not something for the beginner to waste time on. Most all beveling for SG is done on 3/16" or 1/4" clear glass. I recommend using only 3/16" at first because: 1. it is easier, and 2. most stock bevels are on 3/16". For the first year or so the first bevel of the day should be a practice bevel. This few minutes seems to let your hands settle in and then the angles just seem to come in correctly. To learn, it is a good idea to make a number of practice blanks of, say, 1 1/2 " X 2". Just bevel and finish two adjacent sides before repeating the process to finish the bevel. As said earlier the trick is in getting the first stage correct. The second stage must bring the bevel to about 99% of being done while removing ALL scratching form the first stage. To my way of thinking it is necessary that a beveler be able to critique his/her work at all stages and stand ready to admit that the work so far on the bevel must be discarded because no reasonable amount of further work will redeem it. Most colored bevels are not worth the effort IMO because they are not usually prismatic. For colored bevels I fuse one sheet of color with two sheets of clear with the colored side down on a surface of the appropriate texture. When beveled these bevels show clear in the bevel plane and are a thing of true beauty. Bevel the glass and not your fingers as I am fond of doing, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 10 22:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:23:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: foil vs lead Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.14135.0> Precedence: bulk Well my curiosity about relative strength in large panels between foil and lead has been aroused. I don't recall ever seeing any engineering stats on that one in here, or perhaps educated deductions (I'm not sure that len was stating opinion or fact when he said "For me it is difficult to accept that a large foiled panel has the necessary strength and flexibility to hold together properly even with bracing attached to the foil solder bead which is really not very strong compared to a leaded and cemented section.?") I realize that the cement does provide strength but there are a lot of factors involved, I have seen many lead panels bowed, but don't recall seeing a foil panel suffering the same fate. With similar lead widths, and size of widow what are the limits. How much does flexibility or inflexibility come into play. I'm especially interested in overhead situations for skylights. Are there books on the architectural use of stained glass that go into the structural aspects of leaded and foiled glass and the methods that are required for each. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 00:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:00:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:58:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.155859.0> References: <<1998Feb10.16290.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Gloria & George wrote: > > I have made jewelry, especially pins with lead free solder, found no = > problems.. I use a good Hakko iron, flux, and found no difference in = > decorative soldering on the jewelry pieces.. I believe your iron will = > be the solution to your problems.. I like to keep Canfield in stock..=20 > Gloria > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Balloch [SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] > Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 8:30 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Lead free solder > > I got out my Cline's Catalog and their blurb under lead free solder is > this: > 95% tin, 1% silver, 4% copper. It handles like 50/50 solder. It > contains no antimony, arsenic, zinc, bismuth, or cadmium. 1 lb. Canfield > solder > >=20 > > I've really appreciated the discussion on health risks of lead > > especially since we're planning to have a child in the next year or = > so. > > I dread the day I have to give up my art, even for a little while. > > Anyway, I'm seriously considering switching to lead-free solder. Has > > anyone experimented with the various brands? Any recommendations on > > which brand to start with? > >=20 > > Susan > > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 02:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:48:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Address Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:40:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb10.16403.0> Precedence: bulk Rchard Leval would you e-mail me.I might have a commision for you,in Arenal...Thanks Bungi group....... Don Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:50:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Kopp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.4481.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980210221910.006936e4@mail.clis.com>> Precedence: bulk Kopp wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Dava and I'm a glassaholic. > > I've been reading your posts for about 2 weeks and finally decided to dive in. > > I received a request to create a Dining Room table in glass. Actually she > had a brain storm and called to ask me if it was possible. I don't see why > not, but then again, I think nothing is impossible. Total optimist. > > I've been toying with potential designs, in my head, for a few weeks. I > feel it is very feasible. It's all in the design, i.e.... strength, > usability, safety, etc. Just a matter of working out the details. Does > anyone have any ideas, impute, precautions, etc., that they would like to > throw my way. All will be read. > > (Don't know if she will change her mind or not, so I'm not spending all my > waking hours creating). > > Thanks, > Dava Kopp > I intend to live forever ..... so far, so good! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass let's go over what my vison entails: 1. the glass alone will not be strong enough, there would have to be a dinning room table under the glass. though it can be a cheap wood. 2. there's more of a chance to get the solder in your mouth, even if you don't have a baby, food can touch the solder lines. 3. the top could'nt be 1 piece of glass, you would need solder lines. which will be difficult to keep clean. 4. breakage: if something plunks down to hard on it, you have broken shards. and if it was all glass you would have a hole. 5. soldering would definitly be difficult for something that size. and cleaning and finishing would also be hard. i've thought about these things myself. though i did'nt think of making a table. i have thought about making a grandfather clock out of glass. the the only very stable techinuq was, to wrap glass around the wood. otherwise it may snap in the center due to top heaviness. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 08:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<3.0.1.32.19980210221910.006936e4@mail.clis.com>>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > My name is Dava and I'm a glassaholic. all together now....Hi Dava > I received a request to create a Dining Room table in glass. Actually she > had a brain storm and called to ask me if it was possible. I don't see why > not, but then again, I think nothing is impossible. Total optimist. > > I've been toying with potential designs, in my head, for a few weeks. I > feel it is very feasible. It's all in the design, i.e.... strength, > usability, safety, etc. Just a matter of working out the details. Does > anyone have any ideas, impute, precautions, etc., that they would like to > throw my way. All will be read. the easy way to do this, and probably safest, is to get a dining table the shape, wood type, etc that they want, get someone to cut a hole in it the correct size and shape, and rabbit an edge to the hole. place a clear sheet of glass on top of the rabbit. this should be 1/4" glass, preferably safety or tempered glass. there's lots of dining tables with this so that should be pretty standard. you then build your glass window and frame it in at least 1" wood. you simply have to screw it to the underneath of the table. place a light under the table if you wish, but if you don't, most tables are pretty dark underneath and you won't see much of your design. doing it this way you don't have any of the problems that mike savad mentioned in his later mail. i've seen end and cocktail tables done this way, so the technique should be transferrable to dining tables. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 08:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: foil and lead Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:41:43 -0600 Message-ID: <199802111528.JAA07320@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >. Most of my customers tend to >want panels with more intricate designs, good enough for Mr. Tiffany, it's good enough for me. Tiffany windows were contructed of both lead and foil. Intricate small piece window sections are often constructed using small came ( 1/8, 5/32 ) a difficult ,tedious process.. ask me how I know >under the >impression that foiled work is stronger, mainly because of the soldered >seams and, of course, unlike lead, gravity doesn't affect foil. I've >never had to repair a foiled piece because it fell out of the channel. >The few windows (larger ones 2.5x 4 feet) I have done have been a mix of >came, zinc and foil. >Foil for detail, came for "grids" and two zinc H cames to divide it into >3rds. This is probably the best overall way to contruct a large panel in my opinion also Although the detail sections can be fabricated using small cames, it is not very efficient for a time standpoint and in order for these sections to have strength equal to foil, the lead would have to be tinned or a stiff came would have to be used making to fabrication even more difficult and time consuming. Sections of panels with large pieces of glass in architectural work are carried in came in order to provide support, counter the effects of expansion and contraction and to express proportion. >-Well my curiosity about relative strength in large panels between foil and >lead has been aroused. I don't recall ever seeing any engineering stats on >that one in here, or perhaps educated deductions (I'm not sure that len was >stating opinion or fact when he said "For me it is difficult to accept that >a large foiled panel has the necessary strength and flexibility to hold >together properly even with bracing attached to the foil solder bead which >is really not very strong compared to a leaded and cemented section.?") >but there are a lot of >factors involved, I have seen many lead panels bowed, but don't recall >seeing a foil panel suffering the same fate. >With similar lead widths, and >size of widow what are the limits. How much does flexibility or >inflexibility come into play Educated guess. It is well documented that expansion and contraction has the most effect on the integrity of a panel. A lead matrix particularly when tying together large pieces , would be more suited to a bend don't break situation >but there are a lot of >factors involved, I have seen many lead panels bowed, but don't recall >seeing a foil panel suffering the same fate. Many factors is right. Heat ,moisture,and design among them. Leaded windows bow because they are improperly braced or in some cases because the came is too soft. I have never seen a 100 year old *hingey* foil window living in a hostile environment . Most of them are less then 20 years old. So IMHO the jury is still out >.With similar lead widths, and >size of widow what are the limits. How much does flexibility or >inflexibility come into play. I'm especially interested in overhead >situations for skylights. Most skylights and domes that I have seen are very heavily braced regardless of the matrix material. I think they are overbuilt period...irreguardless of all the other considerations. I'll just add one more observation. I have seen more old zinc came diamond and basic geometric windows with stress cracks in them then leaded ones of similiar design . I can't say for sure if this is due to the loss of cushioning ..zinc windows lose cement more then leaded, of if the zinc is just too unyielding ...maybe neither. Question is will foiled windows suffer the same fate in the long run?? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 08:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:00:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199802111600.IAA25020@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Precedence: bulk 1. Are you using an existing table or building a whole new one? If you are building a completely new table then you could design the table with a couple of cross members to support the stained glass and then lay a piece of clear glass over the top of the stained glass. You would want to make the routes deep enough so that the stained glass and the clear glass would be flush with the wood. The clear glass might produce some glare but it would eliminate the worry of food coming in contact with the stained glass, and would help to keep the stained glass clean. And, as to the cross members...those could be hidden by the design of the stained glass. This sounds like an interesting project. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 09:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: lynice_spangler@mail.intel.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Share Bevelling Experience Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:41:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb11.154128.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lynice, I do beveling also but not on any of the new machines like the one you have. I have tried one at a local shop that I do beveling for, and I have to admit it frustrated me also. One thing that you must learn to do is not to take your miters all the way to the edge on the first stage of beveling, each stage of beveling is a grinding process even though we like to call it polishing , it is actually grinding yet a finer miniscule scratch into the glass, take the miters to the corners on the second stage and then when you go to "polish" the bevel you won't have to worry about the miters at all. The first and second stages of the beveling process are the hardest to learn and master and the most critical. Once you get past them your almost there. Then you just have to "polish" with pumice and cerium oxide and your done. I'm not familiar with the process that you go through on one of those small bevel machines but is probably similiar. I agree with Bob about the colored bevels "Whats the Point".Beveler4@aol.com. (Stan) P.S. However I have seen some nice ruby red bevels once would sure like to give that a try. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 09:07:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:02:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:00:31 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980211100031.0080c100@glasstreasures.com> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980210221910.006936e4@mail.clis.com>> Precedence: bulk Dava wrote >> I received a request to create a Dining Room table in glass. Actually she >> had a brain storm and called to ask me if it was possible. I don't see why >> not, but then again, I think nothing is impossible. Total optimist. Mike wrote: >2. there's more of a chance to get the solder in your mouth, even if you >don't have a baby, food can touch the solder lines. Now I've never tried anything like this, but just another thought to throw in the mix....what about doing it as mosaics instead? Is that a possibility for what the client has in mind? I know I've seen pics of end/coffee tables done in mosaics just recently. Mike's right about the possible problem with exposed solder lines, not to mention that the solder lines will make the top of the table uneven if you bead them and may not be strong enough if you do a flat solder line. I kind of like the mosaic idea,though....hmmm.....wonder if it would work..... Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 09:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:47:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsSOPHIA From: MsSOPHIA@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:46:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb11.154647.0> Precedence: bulk Could this project not be done like a large coffee table where the frame is the table and you would put a large piece of beveled glass on top of the art glass and another piece below...as in a sandwich effect? There would of course have to be several struts across the table to support such a weight, but if the design accomodates these wooden supports it should be a feasible project. Just a thought, Good luck, Paned Expressions Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 09:26:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:55:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: goldengate.net!borealis From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:58:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.35840.0> References: <<1998Feb11.4481.0>> Precedence: bulk First, I'll admit that I'm still REALLY new to stained glass. When I read this question, I too thought about lead poisining and also about stability -- the picture that popped into my mind was sandwiching the stained glass between two pieces of solid glass....I realize it would be extremely heavy so the base of the table would really have to be designed well....maybe wood (or iron?) criss-crossed like a french window??? Just a thought...I may be totally way off base and am anxious to hear where I'm wrong in my idea. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 09:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:02:32 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > table if you wish, but if you don't, most tables are pretty dark underneath > and you won't see much of your design. I've seen a dining room table with glass applied like mosaic tiles. It was very impressive, imposing ... and very dark. I'm still not sure I liked it much. Perhaps if glass were applied to a *glass (or acrylic) table, allowing the light to come through the glass of the table itself, it'd be more pleasant. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 11:30:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:42:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Lead blood tests Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 11:40:38 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk fyi Begin forwarded message: Return-Path: <75054.2542@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:32:04 -0500 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Lead blood tests Sender: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: Charles Spitzer Content-Disposition: inline > You've commented upon the fact that after a couple of weeks, the lead has > precipitated (adsorbed perhaps?) out into the liver and bones and that a > blood test won't show much, if anything. < Absorbed into bones and some tissues, but not the liver. It's easy to remember if you know that the body can't tell the difference between lead and calcium. What it does with calcium (bones, teeth, etc.), it does with lead. > In this case, months or years later, what can be done to detect the amount > of lead absorbed into a body? Are there any tests that can show this, or > does one have to undergo a bone biopsy and spectrograph analysis? < > > The reason I ask, is that lots of us have taken blood tests for lead, but > for myself, only every year or two. If they aren't going to show anything, > then this is a waste of time and money. < The best thing is to schedule the regular blood lead test near the end of a heavy work period when you have been exposed on a regular basis. Barring that, after a couple of weeks there is another test called a zinc protophorphyrin test or ZPP that will detect the marker in the blood where lead was. Later than that, there is a "lead chelate challenge" where a small amount of a chelating agent is put in to the blood and after a certain amount of time the your the blood and urine is tested to get an idea how much lead is stored. These last two tests are not done unless there is good reason as determined by a doctor who knows this field. The challenge carries some risk. Going to a doctor who is board certified in Occupational Medicine or in Toxicology is a good idea. But these specialities are hard to find in some communities. Hope this helps. Monona Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:43:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:43:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802111843.NAA27911@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk >To: Northernlights >From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Northern wrote, >- the picture that popped into my mind was sandwiching the >>stained glass between two pieces of solid glass.. > >Now thats a thought. >How about having the panel put into a tempered unit and having the table built around it Or have a pedestal base made. And frame the unit setting it on the pedestal or two for a large table. Use mostly opalscents and heavy textured glass for the design and you won't have to worry out the light factor. If your worried about weight? We've done some etched table tops that go way over 150 lbs. > >Just "my" thoughts. > >my best, >pj > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 12:47:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:06:14 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk New information at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events" and/or "What's New" put up today: Free trial software and patterns from Connected Lines Deadline for Out-of-Hand show in New York April 10 American Bevel's giving a "Designer" workshop March 13 Swiss glass school offers workshops and accredited training June 28 to July 5 July 12 to July 19 July 26 to August 2 August 9 to August 16 August 23 to August 30 September 6 to September 13 Other news you might be interested in: Albert Lewis, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass Artists, has been appointed Director of Communications and Special Projects at Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation (The Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College) in Sion, Switzerland. He will continue in his position with the Guild, donating his time and energies to its programs as before, while developing educational programs in Switzerland and the United States for the Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation. He is currently talking with the Board of Directors of IGGA about plans for workshops and a year-round school in western Massachusetts, working with Mass MoCA (Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art - http://www.massmoca.org/ ) and the Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation. Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation (The Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College) offers degree programs in affiliation with the National Graduate School of Applied Arts and Crafts, Paris. Its three-year program in stained glass education will be augmented beginning this year with workshops of shorter duration, allowing working professionals to hone skills and acquire needed techniques side-by-side with the nearly 40 full-time students in the regular programs. The school's web site is at http://www.esvc.vsnet.ch/ Illustrated brochures about the school's programs are available on request. Email to alewis@vgernet.net or write to Albert Lewis, PO Box 1809, North Adams, MA 01247. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 14:18:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:26:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lead and Calcium Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:24:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.112414.0> Precedence: bulk "Calcium Could Reduce Effects of Lead" read the headline in yesterday's paper. The Associated Press article goes on to say: "Increasing calcium consumption may do = more than strengthen your bones and teeth. For billions of American children and adults exposed to excessive lead, boosting calcium intake could sharply reduce the absorption of lead and its harmful effects, researchers say." = There is an article on the subject in the December issue of Environmental Health Perspectives, a journal published by the National Institutes of Health. Lead author is John Bogden, professor of preventative medicine and community health at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. Have any of our resident experts read of this latest research? Any comments? Should = we all start wearing milk mustaches? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 14:50:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:57:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Lead blood tests Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 16:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199802112157.QAA12956@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Group, For lead purposes, what age is considered a "child"? I am teaching a 13-year-old girl and her parents have expressed interest in sending her 10-year-old brother, to have lessons also. Is that too risky? Thanks Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 15:23:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:49:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:44:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb11.224414.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-11 15:48:17 EST, you write: << Albert Lewis, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass Artists, has been appointed Director of Communications and Special Projects at Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation (The Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College) in Sion, Switzerland. >> Congratualtions Albert !!!!! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 15:40:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:52:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: "Online" Stained Glass Auction Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:53:24 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.155324.0> Precedence: bulk I am not endosing this site, but I found it amusing.. "ebay" is an = "online" auction, anything from collectilbes to clothes.. While surfing, = I entered "stained glass" and 73 entries came up.. Thought you would = enjoy. Some of the entries go to thier WEB page.. Enjoy. http://gecko.ebay.com/scripts/ebaySearch/search.idq?TextRestriction=3Dsta= ined+glass&CategoryID=3D&HTMLQueryForm=3D%2Fscripts%2FebaySearch%2Fsearch= .htm&SortOrder=3D%5Ba%5D&maxRecordsPerPage=3D75&maxRecordsReturned=3D250= 0&SortProperty=3DMetaEndSort&whichIndex=3Dcurrent Also, if anyone profits from this site would you please share. Gloria PS.. How can they sale the Butterfly Ladies so Cheap.. The Lady herself = is close to that price.. =00=00 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 16:19:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:37:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.132939.0> References: <<199802111600.IAA25020@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Precedence: bulk My mom has a glass topped coffee table about 4'x4' square that has a pull out drawer directly under the glass that can be filled with items then replaced when the seasons or tastes change. Maybe you could create one on a larger scale filling the bottom with an uplight and placing a panel above it to show through the glass. This way if she wants to change it she can. Have you considered using tile and grout or something similar using the glass? There is a mexican resturaunt near my house that inlaid tile in a pattern into a wood framed table. It is terribly uneven however, I would definately put glass over it. Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 16:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:47:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'WhispyBlu@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:48:07 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.16487.0> Precedence: bulk Also, Congratualtions Albert !!!!! I am glad for you.. Are you moving.. -----Original Message----- From: WhispyBlu@aol.com [SMTP:WhispyBlu@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 8:44 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz In a message dated 98-02-11 15:48:17 EST, you write: << Albert Lewis, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass Artists, has been appointed Director of Communications and Special Projects at Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation (The Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College) in Sion, Switzerland. >> Congratualtions Albert !!!!! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 17:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:36:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Online" Stained Glass Auction Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:36:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.83623.0> Precedence: bulk Been there done that! Cheap because it is IMPORTED!!!!!! I know a few of the glass vendors on EBAY.............The only competition is to see who can get shades cheaper and more (if possible) poorly done. I do buy some (non-glass) stuff from there and have found that if you know what you are buying and do not get caught up in "auction" fever it can be a useful tool. I will be shortly listing some stuff to sell as well and may even list some of my small production shades. MADE in USA, signed and numbered! not hungry enough yet to make a commitment, but may just try it. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 17:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: DR table Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980211193841.00695698@mail.clis.com> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980210221910.006936e4@mail.clis.com>> Precedence: bulk Good Evening Bungis, The interest and posts about the DR table are great. Thank you. I have visualized all sorts of possibilities for the table creation. Base: probably wood or wrought iron (new or adapted ? don't know) Top: sandwiched between two sheets of glass, or a center drop down section in a wooden table w/clear glass cover, or a mosiac..... I like the idea that Albert Lewis shared. >"Albert Lewis" wrote: >Perhaps if glass were applied to a *glass (or acrylic) table, >*allowing the light to come through* the glass of the table itself, >it'd be more pleasant. Don't know if foil or lead would be better. The lead would give nice flat lines to accommodate *sandwiching*. Lead will add more weight though. So many factors to consider. That's why I came to you guys. Brainstorming with SG interested folks. >At 08:24 AM 2/11/98 -0500, Jerry wrote: >Please post it to the group if you take on this project. I'm >sure I'm not the only one who'd like to hear about it. >Jerri I will keep you up to date on this if she commissions it. May have to make one, even if she doesn't, just to see if I can. >P.S. I like your opening and your mailing address. I'm an RN, so maybe >I should change mine to "glassnurse". I just wasn't very creative when >my husband was setting up my e-mail. Actually, 'GlasSurgeon' is the name of my Moblie Windshield Repair Co. I choose the name because I could use it for both glass ventures. For stained glass, I now use 'Designs by Dava' A Division of GlasSurgeon. Speaking of the windshield repair biz; has anyone used glass resins to repair a glass break? I've used my windshield repair resins on 3 pieces now. It works wonderfully!!! If a piece is shattered, forget it. But if it is a clean break, only a trained eye can find the repair. I've asked people to find where I'd repaired the break on one piece and no one has found it yet. Well, got to go. It's time to play *Jeopardy*. Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 17:49:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:09:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:16:48 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Also, Congratualtions Albert !!!!! I am glad for you.. > Are you moving.. Thanks, Gloria & George (and LuAnn, too) ... I'll be doing what I do from here in Massachusetts, since what I'll be doing will involve the U.S. end of things, mostly. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 18:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:22:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com ('glass@bungi.com') Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: "Online" Stained Glass Auction Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:19:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.21916.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Gloria, I found the e-bay auction site this week too, and decided to type in "stained glass" in the search box. What a surprise to see all the stained glass items there for sale ! you wrote>>PS.. How can they sale the Butterfly Ladies so Cheap.. The Lady herself = is close to that price.. =00=00 >> I know !! That was my reaction too. maybe the seller is a stained glass supplier and gets the butterfly lady castings wholesale....the completed butterfly ladys were selling there for $18.00......weren't they?? And the seller must have had at least 12 to 15 different ones on auction there. Anyway, Gloria gave the URL in a previous posting, so everybody here can go have a look at this interesting web site. (E-Bay) ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 19:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:53:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Pattern Shears Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:51:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.25129.0> Precedence: bulk I'm about to do a large window for a customer. It's 2ft x 3ft. I have bought my first pair of pattern shears. Before I just used the 'ol grinder to get the pieces to fit right. I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very frustrated with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for copperfoil. I'm new to this group, so "howdy yall". Appreciate your help. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 19:36:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:31:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:30:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.23020.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-11 20:50:08 EST, you write: << . I'll be doing what I do from here in Massachusetts, since what I'll be doing will involve the U.S. end of things, mostly. >> Would you be interested in telling more about what you will be doing? Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 20:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:47:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:46:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980211224633.00699eac@mail.clis.com> References: <<199802111600.IAA25020@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Precedence: bulk At 06:29 PM 2/11/98 -0500, Lisa wrote: >My mom has a glass topped coffee table about 4'x4' square that has a >pull out drawer directly under the glass that can be filled with items >then replaced when the seasons or tastes change. Maybe you could create >one on a larger scale filling the bottom with an uplight and placing a >panel above it to show through the glass. This way if she wants to >change it she can. Lisa, I love this one. Having the ability to 'change your table with the seasons OR your moods' is a fabulous idea. Thanks, Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 11 20:41:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 22:40:58 -0500 Message-ID: <199802120338.WAA05544@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Susan wrote: >I'm about to do a large window for a customer. It's 2ft x 3ft. I have bought >my first pair of pattern shears. Before I just used the 'ol grinder to get >the >pieces to fit right. I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very frustrated >with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? Suzanne answers: Howdy Susan, welcome to the group. Yes, the pattern shears are frustrating. I just gave them up after 10 years. I think I get a better fit by using regular scissors, and grinding a bit more, or cutting a little on the small side. The only secret I found to using them, is taking "little baby cuts." I would let the schnibbles fall where they may, and clean them all up later. Then if any of the pattern pieces have ragged edges, I would just cut that part off with a regular scissors later. Good luck! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 00:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:50:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.21463.0> References: <<1998Feb12.25129.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Susan, Forget the shears. I tried just once to cut out a pattern,with the pattern shears, my first SG panel. Tossed them away, made a light box, and now just trace the pattern directly on the glass. Saves endless time, tempers, etc. In the few case's where the glass is too dark to see through on the light box, just cut out that one or two pieces with regular scissors, and trace around the cardboard on the glass. It is known as the 'English' method and works great. Try it, you'll like it. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > > I'm about to do a large window for a customer. It's 2ft x 3ft. I have bought > my first pair of pattern shears. Before I just used the 'ol grinder to get the > pieces to fit right. I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very frustrated > with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for > copperfoil. > I'm new to this group, so "howdy yall". Appreciate your help. > Susan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 01:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:59:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:59:34 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > << . I'll be doing what I do > from here in Massachusetts, since what I'll be doing will involve the > U.S. end of things, mostly. >> > > Would you be interested in telling more about what you will be doing? Organizing a school, LuAnn, although it'll probably start out in a summer school format and grow to year-'round. But you can be sure that I'll let you all know about it as it develops. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 04:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.wittenberg.edu!rcutler From: "Robert S. Cutler" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glasseye internet edition Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:46:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb12.14639.0> Precedence: bulk After a second attempt to download and install GlasseyeIE, I'm happy to report that the program works perfectly. I haven't seen ALL the patterns yet, but those I have looked at are beautiful AND, considering what can be done with/to them, they are IMO reasonably priced. Bob Cutler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 05:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:42:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.2374.0> References: <<1998Feb12.25129.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Susan, I'm one of those who tried pattern shears many years ago and hated them. In the copper foil class I took, no one really showed us how to use them. I put them away and always used the lightbox method or carbon paper to trace my patterns. Recently I took a lead class, and my retailer gave me his shears to bring home and use, and showed me how to use them. The trick is to cut and then push the shears forward. Don't worry about the little strip of paper, it keeps going out the back. I couldn't believe the difference. I tried it with my foil shears, and it worked too. I think I still like my old way for copper foil (I guess because I've been doing that for years, as opposed to using the shears for a couple of weeks now.), but for lead, it saves a lot of cutting. Jerri >I'm about to do a large window for a customer. It's 2ft x 3ft. I have >bought >my first pair of pattern shears. Before I just used the 'ol grinder to >get the >pieces to fit right. I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very >frustrated >with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for >copperfoil. >I'm new to this group, so "howdy yall". Appreciate your help. >Susan > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 05:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:08:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!clipper1 From: Carol Meyers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dining room table in glass? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:16:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980212090022.3027826e@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk At 10:00 AM 2/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >Dava wrote >>> I received a request to create a Dining Room table in glass. Actually she >>> had a brain storm and called to ask me if it was possible. I don't see why >>> not, but then again, I think nothing is impossible. Total optimist. > >>Steph wrote: >Now I've never tried anything like this, but just another thought to throw >in the mix....what about doing it as mosaics instead? I did a large mosaic glass end table that turned out pretty well. If you want light to come through and have a sturdy enough wood base, you can do the mosaic on a sheet of table top glass, which will allow some light to come through the table giving the 'stained glass effect'. For my table, I took a stained glass design and was careful to leave cement lines only as thick as lead came would be. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 06:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:09:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:07:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb11.22713.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Lee Boe wrote that he uses the "English Method" of stained glass where the pattern is drawn directly on the glass. I also use that method and teach it to my students. A light table (3'x4' and cost $25.00 to make) is great to lay the whole pattern on. I like to be able to see the flow and coloration of the glass as I match it to my pattern pieces. The pattern pieces are drawn on to the glass with a Sharpie. The trick is to cut inside the Sharpie line--that way you have very little grinding to do and you have the room for your foil and solder. It works well for lead also. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 06:20:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:20:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsSOPHIA From: MsSOPHIA@aol.com To: CWWSLW@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:18:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.131847.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Susan, I have found only a few secrets to cutting with copper foil shears. 1.) Keep them very sharp and VERY clean. (no scotch tape adhesive on blades, etc.) 2.) Make long cuts starting from near the axis (closest to the handles) 3.) Make small curve cuts using the far end of the blades. Paper is very dulling on knives, cutters and blades. Would love for them to come up with a sharpener for a pattern shear someday!! Even after working with pattern shears for nearly 20 years, I still find myself cutting some cuts (small inside curves) with regular shears and then just trimming it back a bit. Keep on cuttin', Paned Expressions Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 08:26:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 10:26:00 EST Message-ID: <980212.103155.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb11.22713.0>> Precedence: bulk When I try the "English method" I find that I do not consistently draw on the inside or outside of the pattern lines and am thrown off by the depth of the glass and maybe even my bifocals! Also i use a lot of opalescent glass and find it hard to see well enough through on my lightbox. Don't think I'm going to build a brighter lightbox at this time, but I did just get new glasses! (Yeah, I know practice would help). And I do put glass on my lightbox and use it to position my pattern pieces. Dorothy K (Who is having a miserable time with changing the address to reply...ah, well, my problem) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 08:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: alewis@vgernet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:33:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.153352.0> Precedence: bulk Congrats Albert Lewis in your additional responsibilities! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 08:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: CWWSLW@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:40:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb12.154010.0> Precedence: bulk I have found that the short, fast snips gets you a bit further than the long cuts. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 09:17:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:53:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.64243.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com >I'm very frustrated with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things?< Don't try to cut the full length of the shear at one time. Make little, tiny cuts, then move the shears up so that the waste paper is gathered inside the opening. Use especially tiny cuts when going around a curve. Try to hold the paper level in one hand while cutting with the other. This is rather hard to describe via email. But try to make little "cut, gather, cut, gather, cut, gather..." rather than "Ccccccccuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttt". Man, if I could only just show you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 10:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:05:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:16:31 -0600 Message-ID: <199802121805.MAA01176@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk . Use especially tiny cuts when >going around a curve. Try to hold the paper level in one hand >while cutting with the other. I use this method also for long straight cuts I use a Stanley fixed blade utility knife with two blades separated by a piece of flattened lead and I cut against a straight edge. Buy the best.... ( I prefer the flat nose, non-tapered blade style) haven't checked in a while but how much can they cost? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 11:19:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:09:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:08:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212130858.00688d04@mail.clis.com> References: <<1998Feb12.25129.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:51 PM 2/11/98 EST, Susan wrote: >Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for copper foil. >Susan Hi Susan, I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to pattern shears. I use them all the time, with great results. Apparently, I do one thing very different than most, which may be what allows me to cut patterns successfully with the shears.....I laminate. I have found, the thicker the pattern, the better the cut is with shears. I make two working copies of all patterns (more if experimenting with coloring), retaining the originals for my file. After I've numbered and drawn directional lines on them, I laminate the two copies at our local teacher's supply store ($.75 per ft.). I leave one copy intact as a layout, and cut the other with pattern shears, either lead or foil. I use my light box to pick the section of glass I want for each piece. I then lay the laminated pattern piece on the glass and outline it with a gold or white paint marker. The thickness of the laminate and paper makes it very easy to trace. If the pattern piece is such that it is difficult to hold and draw, I use a little glue stick. Glue stick is easily rinsed off of the pattern with hot water. You must rinse & dry quickly to reduce the chance of lamination penetration. Be sure to cut to the INSIDE of your line. A quick brushing with 0000 steel wool removes any unwanted paint lines. Having the layout sheet laminated allows me to grind the necessary spots, place the wet glass directly onto the layout sheet, and check for accuracy, without worry of ruining it. The moisture even holds the pieces in place as it dries on the layout. It does not work on textured glass. Before placing my cleaned, foiled pieces back on the layout to be soldered, I wipe it clean with a dampened paper towel. I do tack-solder carefully, as not to burn the laminate. Then I remove the layout before soldering further. After I'm finished, I place the layout sheet and pattern pieces into an appropriate size zip-lock bag, and label. If it is a large pattern, I cut the layout into square sections, and tape back together after laminating. Using the shears, I cut the pattern into sections, following the pattern lines. I then laminate the sections, and complete the cutting after laminating. I use empty paper towel cardboard rolls to store large layouts. I've used the same 2 copies repeatedly. I find it well worth the $.75 per ft. I only have to cut each pattern once, no matter how many time I use it. Also, it greatly reduces the prep time. Just sharing 'my system'. Happy cutting! Dava ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 11:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: DiamondCRETE Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212132050.0069e734@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk DiamondCRETE for stepping stones(ad description below) Has anyone tried this product? If so: What results did you get? What was the cost? In 'Stained Glass News #39' (the most recent issue) Pg. 6, the ad reads: "DiamondCRETE" Garden Stone Cement sets up in just 35 minutes *Pops out of the mold in 35 minutes *No reinforcement necessary *Easy to use - Just add Water *12 Beautiful Colors available *10 lb Boxes After 1 1/2 years in development and testing, this cement has changed the course of garden stones, mosiacs, and wall palques. No more heavy open bags of concrete laying around or hard to cut reinforcement wire, "We make it EASY"!! Rayer's INC. Ask your local retailer ********************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 11:50:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:31:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:26:34 EST Message-ID: <980212.133013.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<34E3283F.23534A5A@fast.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Charles Naw, I make a pattern out of oak tag by tracing my pattern with carbon between and cutting with glass shears. (Incidentally, I learned different, but figured out what worked for me). Then if I have interesting glass, I'll put it on a light box and figure out where to put each pattrn piece. So...since I have your attention...any Glass Vision dates for this summer so I can plan another PA vacation? Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 12:21:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:37:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glasseye (WON'T WORK) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:35:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980212113552.2317c86e@oregontrail.net> Precedence: bulk opps forgot to ghange address to bunge >At 06:46 AM 2/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>After a second attempt to download and install GlasseyeIE, I'm happy to >>report that the program works perfectly. > mite note its ONLY windows 95 will NOT WORK IN WINDOWS 3.X ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 12:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: Kopp , "glass@BUNGI.COM" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: DiamondCRETE Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:08:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.4854.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980212132050.0069e734@mail.clis.com>> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk I haven't used it, but it is not cheap and unless you are making the brick, 10 LBS is not enough for a stone. Dave Kopp wrote: > DiamondCRETE for stepping stones(ad description below) > Has anyone tried this product? > If so: What results did you get? What was the cost? > > In 'Stained Glass News #39' (the most recent issue) Pg. 6, the ad reads: > > "DiamondCRETE" Garden Stone Cement sets up in just 35 minutes > *Pops out of the mold in 35 minutes > *No reinforcement necessary > *Easy to use - Just add Water > *12 Beautiful Colors available > *10 lb Boxes > > After 1 1/2 years in development and testing, this cement has changed the > course of garden stones, mosiacs, and wall palques. No more heavy open bags > of concrete laying around or hard to cut reinforcement wire, "We make it > EASY"!! > > Rayer's INC. > Ask your local retailer > ********************************* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 13:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: DiamondCRETE Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:39:10 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk DiamondCRETE for stepping stones.... ------- I posted this question myself recently. Although I didn't hear from anyone with first-hand experience, I gather it gives good results, comes in lotsa colors and sets up quickly. Unfortunately, it's much more expensive than regular concrete. Since I was asking relative to 16" stepping stones, needing multiple 10-lb. containers @ $17.00 each made the cost prohibitive. Although it might be reasonable for smaller projects, for my big stones I'll keep mixing my own sand, gravel & white Portland cement. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 15:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: leestat7 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:26:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb12.62626.0> References: <<1998Feb11.21463.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Susan: I use Mika pattern shears...There are three blades to interchange so you have both lead and copperfoil shears. I have found that when you use lead came 5/32 and below, one should use the copperfoil shears else the kerf is too wide and causes the pattern to be smaller than it should. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 15:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:31:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carolyn Noel Subject: Re: foiled again Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:39:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.213934.0> References: <<1998Feb10.165538.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb10.165538.0@?>, Carolyn Noel writes >I specialize in copper foil, too, Glenn. Most of my customers tend to >want panels with more intricate designs, and, I also make lamps for >local shops which, of course, are done with foil. If it was good enough >for Mr. Tiffany, it's good enough for me. "Horses for courses" comes to mind. Not everything Mr. Tiffany did was above reproach. Some of his windows are in a sad state resulting from his techniques, not lack of maintenance. I'm not sure everything he did was in copper foil anyway. Certainly the only window from his studio that I have seen was in lead came. >I was also under the >impression that foiled work is stronger, mainly because of the soldered >seams Well solder may be stronger than lead, but what holds the seam to the glass (or more correctly) the glass to the seam. I suspect that the lead light cement I use will be in place many years after the impact adhesive holding the copper foil and glass together have failed. Most of my work is for primary glazing, so it is exposed to the weather and must be able to withstand wind, rain, etc. I don't have the confidence in copper foil to standup to that treatment. So, when I use a section of copper foil in a leaded window, it is used as secondary glazing. >and, of course, unlike lead, gravity doesn't affect foil. Really!!!! here we have gravity free zones where ever foiled work is installed? :) :) :) honestly! >I've >never had to repair a foiled piece because it fell out of the channel. Have we had foiled pieces up for 90 to 100 years? But also I agree that not all leaded work has always been up to the highest design and construction methods. >There are pros and cons for each method, Yep. & I work in both, although mostly in copper foil for domestic internal furnishing items. >but I definitely prefer the >foil. Good luck to you. And despite the possible tone of the above comments, I don't have strong feelings about the different techniques. Some people just get on better with one style or technique than another. Best wishes Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 15:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:03:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.11332.0> Precedence: bulk >I'm about to do a large window for a customer. It's 2ft x 3ft. I have bought >my first pair of pattern shears. Before I just used the 'ol grinder to get the >pieces to fit right. I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very frustrated >with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for >copperfoil. >I'm new to this group, so "howdy yall". Appreciate your help. >Susan I never cared much for pattern shears Susan.. I prefer using 2 patterns.. One to build the window on and the other to use on a large light table... Works a lot easier for me... Byron... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 16:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Glenn Spicer Subject: Re: foil vs lead Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:43:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.214337.0> References: <<1998Feb10.14135.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb10.14135.0@?>, Glenn Spicer writes >Well my curiosity about relative strength in large panels between foil and >lead has been aroused. I too hope there are those who can give us some information on this! ........... >realize that the cement does provide strength but there are a lot of >factors involved, I have seen many lead panels bowed, but don't recall >seeing a foil panel suffering the same fate. Are we talking of the same age of panels here? Of course, not all leaded panels were of the best design, but my impression is that they are much older than copper foil ones. Am I wrong or right? ......... Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 16:13:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:41:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: suzanne albright Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:07:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.22737.0> References: <<199802120338.WAA05544@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk In message <199802120338.WAA05544@uz.ComCAT.COM>, suzanne albright writes > ........ > of pattern shears. ............. Yes. I'll be more constructive now. Two possibilities I have used. I made a knife with two parallel scalple(sp) blades a pencil width apart and cut template with them. Fiddly, especially when the gap clogged. So I moved on to use a single blade, used a felt tiped pen (magic marker?) around the template, and cut just inside the line. The latter works best for me. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 16:21:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:48:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: CWWSLW@aol.com Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:03:53 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.22353.0> References: <<1998Feb12.25129.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb12.25129.0@?>, CWWSLW@aol.com writes > > I have bought >my first pair of pattern shears. >I tried to cut out my pattern, and I'm very frustrated >with the shears. Are there any secrets to using these things? It's for >copperfoil. My secret ( and in my experience) is either to throw them away or give them to your worst enemy with a glowing recommendation!!!! I am mean :) but then I'v had the best part of a bottel of wine tonight. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 16:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:49:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Albert Lewis Subject: Re: New stuff on stainedglassbiz Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:53:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.215355.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk In message , Albert Lewis writes ........ > >Albert Lewis, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass >Artists, has been appointed Director of Communications and Special >Projects at Ecole superieure de vitrail et de creation (The Stained >Glass Craft and Fine Art College) in Sion, Switzerland. ...... Congratulations Albert!!!!!!!! -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 16:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:52:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Internal re-inforcement for lead came Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:34:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.223448.0> References: <<199802101533.HAA22919@norm.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199802101533.HAA22919@norm.island.net>, Carol Swann writes ......... >I guess my question for the group now becomes (as a lead came novice) is >there internal reinforcement available for lead? How is it used? ......... > Is there some >parallel to restrip for lead came??? ........... Yes. In the UK thin mild steel strips about a metre long are sold. They fit into the lead came as they are the same height as standard heart lead. It makes the heart size larger, and this has to be taken into account in planing the cut lines. You can also get came with the steel imbeded in the heart of the came. This is much harder to work with - needs a hacksaw or came cutter. > >Also, what is the best book on working with lead came...for the advanced >stuff, not just building a basic panel? The one I found was experience, practice, mistakes, discussion. > Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 18:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:18:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: foil vs lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:12:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802130116.BAA22468@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey chaps (and Chapesses!) Haven't you forgotten one rather important little detail? Copper foil was invented about 100 - 150 years ago by a gentleman called Tiffany....... Lead was "invented" by some mysterious gentleman, whose name will probably forever remain in the obscure mist of history , some.... perhaps..... 800 - 900 - 1000, or even 1200 years ago......? (!) I'm not surprised that the odd "old" leaded panel is showing some signs of fatigue. Speaking for myself, I'm only 51 + 3/4 , yet have noticed that everything is slowly beginning to "Travel South".... ;-> For Lead to show a certain amount of "fatigue after 500 - 600 years ( or more, in some cases), is pretty good going by anyone's standard. Copper-foil STILL has to be exposed to THAT sort of test ....... Come back and "haunt" me in 400 years time to tell me how copper-foil has stood the test of time, THEN I will most certainly listen. In the meantime, I'm still learning!!!!! And in answer to the question of percentage lead vs. copper-foil work/commissions: My work is entirely lead orientated; my commissions are 99.9 percent for lead-work. I enjoy making 3D pendulum clocks (copper-foil); I make them as a relaxation and when I sell them, they sell as I make them. They are "impulse creations" and sold for the "impulse market". I don't make copper-foil lamps (only as presents for friends & family). My largest panel was about 85 sq.ft., triangular panel (in ONE piece!!)l, fitted into a gable "hole" for an indoor swimming-pool. It has plate-glass fitted inside and outside around it. Nevertheless, the scaffolding and the transport requirements were quite mind-blowing at the time. The engineering calculations of re-inforcing and strength-considerations almost brought me to my knees at the time. ONE panel??!! Sir! You M U S T be joking!! He wasn't!! Next size down was St.Francis College. It's on my WEB-page. After installation, the Governors of St.Francis changed the Church around and made the part where my panels were into a Lady Chapel. The total stained glass work I did, I seem to remember was something in the region of about 75 sq.ft. On the OTHER end of the scale; I made a small round panel (approx. 2.5 sq.ft.) for a new house extension. The design was a heron flying across still water in moonlight. It was conceived as an "internal" panel. When the customer saw it, he got the builders back in and made them knock a round hole into the EXTERNAL wall. This is where it now lives; high on a hill, overlooking a small market-town in Hertfordshire. To get the builders in to make the "hole", cost this customer 3 times as much as what he paid for me to make his panel. It's a very tranquil panel and very simple. ....But very effective. My 2 cents worth! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (the latter of whom... is 400 years old - less 396....!) ;-> Glenn wrote: >realize that the cement does provide strength but there are a lot of >factors involved, I have seen many lead panels bowed, but don't recall >seeing a foil panel suffering the same fate. Steve in UK answered: Are we talking of the same age of panels here? Of course, not all leaded panels were of the best design, but my impression is that they are much older than copper foil ones. Am I wrong or right? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 12 22:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:12:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Re: Lead blood tes Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb12.20859.0> Precedence: bulk ...............forwarded........................... From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Subject: Re: Lead blood tests Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 16:59:13 -0500 Hi Group, For lead purposes, what age is considered a "child"? I am teaching a 13-year-old girl and her parents have expressed interest in sending her 10-year-old brother, to have lessons also. Is that too risky? Thanks Suzanne ---------------------------------------------------------- There is a kind of consensus among lawyers, educators and regulators as to the age at which toxic substances can be used. The legal criteria are that the individual must be able to *understand* the potential hazards and be able to carry out precautions *effectively* and *consistently.* These criteria are not age specific. For example, your liability would still be at risk if you used lead with 40 year old individuals who were mentally disabled. The developmental age at which normal children should be able to meet the legal criteria is about age 12 or 13. This is why the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) rules designate those in grade 6 and under as children. CPSC further says only art materials that conform to ASTM D-4235 and whose labels list no warnings whatever should be used by grade six and under. Included among the "warnings" CPSC used as examples in this guideline was: "use with adult supervision." Teachers who do not follow these rules have a very big liability problem if anything goes wrong because this is accepted practice and a governmental guideline. In a sense, the expert witness against the teacher in the trial is the CPSC. I hope this helps. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 03:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:53:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiled again Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > >local shops which, of course, are done with foil. If it was good enough > >for Mr. Tiffany, it's good enough for me. > I'm not sure everything he did was in copper foil anyway. Certainly the > only window from his studio that I have seen was in lead came. Tiffany Studios created hundreds of windows in lead came ... American churches are full of them ... some are quite nice, some are dreadful, designwise, but they're certainly constructed entirely with lead came. Many of the grand houses had windows by the Studio, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 04:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:55:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Decorative Solder Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:54:01 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.1541.0> Precedence: bulk hi Shakeel Abedi GlassArt Stain Glass Studio 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: 07-7729489, 7722212 Fax: 07-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my -----Original Message----- From: SSparks99@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 2:45 AM Subject: Re: Decorative Solder >Mike: > >Thanks for the tips on decorative solder. Since I am interested in this >early on I thought I could perfect my techniques right along with my glass >techniques. > >I love stained glass - and actually dream about finding beautiful glass. > >This is terrible! But, a GOOD terrible! > >Ha - Keli >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 08:46:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: St. Pat patterns & a new Moor! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:09:26 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Get ready for your St. Patrick's Day Party on March 16th by checking out one of the newest books available from the Guild Library ... sure and you have a few clients interested in things Irish. "St Patrick in Stained Glass: An Illustrated Life of Ireland's Patron Saint" ... it's just $6.99 and you can find it at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ Click on "The Newest Books" ... you'll find it under "Patterns." And for those of you who're interested in cutting-edge glass design, Andrew Moor's books have always been must-have items. His latest is "Architectural Glass Art: Form and Technique in Contemporary Glass" ... published by Rizzoli, so you know it's tasty. It's discounted 30% off its list price of $50, so you can get it for a mere $35. What a deal. Again, go to http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ and click on "The Newest Books" ... you'll find Andrew's latest under "Windows." If you order either by clicking through from the Guild's Library, the Guild earns a little bit for its programs. If you roam around Amazon after you get to their site, then place your order from there, the Guild doesn't earn anything, so remember to go from the Guild Library to place your orders for any of the over 2,700 glass books you'll find there. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 09:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:01:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glassurgeon@bmd.clis.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:48:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb13.134816.0> Precedence: bulk I agree with Dava - I have laminated some of my more important patterns (that may get re-used) with much success in using pattern shears etc. I use the same process she/he described. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 09:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:01:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.42222.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Is anyone successful in making stepping stones that do not crack? I live in Pennsylvania and two stores I have tried to buy molds from in my area told me not to bother. How would I go about puting the design on a preformed stone? I bought a few pavers at my home improvement center to try it out but I am a little nervous about putting them together. I was planning on just laying my desisgn on top and filling in the gaps with mortar. I just do not know how to keep the pieces in place while I fill in the gaps with mortar. Is there some kind of glue I can use? Will this work? Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 09:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:28:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: "Enlightenment"on light table Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:26:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.12617.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi Fellow Bungians, Carol asked about my light table--so here goes. It is constructed of all two by fours and stands 35". There is one 2x4 for each leg with 2x4's making the top and cross pieces for each leg (stability). The top is routed out 1/4" and plate glass has been inserted. I have 2 double shop lights hanging underneath the glass. The shop lights are hung by chains and attached to the end 2x4's of the table. They are a perfect length for a good fit. If you can come across a piece of plate glass at a local commercial glass and mirror shop that they have goofed on or is scratched then you're in luck. Ask for cut offs or unclaimed pieces. Usually the "cut offs" are thrown away so they are glad to get rid of them. Good luck and let me know if this helps any. My big secret is that I bought it 17 years ago---things were a lot cheaper then but I figure that it can still cost about $25.00 if you can find damaged or "cut off" plate glass. I wouldn't make the table until I found the glass so as to make it to the size of the glass. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 09:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:40:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New Idea - Headboard Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:27:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.12729.0> Precedence: bulk Since the question came up about a dining room table, my "over-active imagination" seems to have kicked in...I started imagining a stained glass headboard for a bed! At first I thought, "That's has to be impossible to create," but what with all the knowledge contained in this group of people, I thought I would throw out my idea. IS it possible??? Would/should it be done in lead??? (I have a strong liking to copper foil work myself.) I would assume it would have to literally be built onto a backing of some sort through the middle of the piece for support -- wood frame??? And if so, how would you "adhere" it to it's "internal" support?? This may sound like a crazy idea, but what I pictured in my head was absolutely gorgeous. Just thought I'd throw something out for people to think about. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 11:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:39:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: craftnetwork.com!petem From: Pete Mitchell To: Subject: SGB Update Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:39:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.83923.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! Stained Glass Biz has updated its website to include more graphics, better speed, and an easy-to-use interface. Check out other glass artists' work by visiting our renovated Gallery. Also visit hundreds of pieces of work from top professionals in the Light Show. When you're at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com don't forget about the pattern search which has been newly updated with over 200 new patterns! Enjoy! Pete ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 11:46:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:46:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: jnl@nep.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:45:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb13.18457.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-13 12:39:02 EST, you write: Lisa wrote - << Is anyone successful in making stepping stones that do not crack? I live in Pennsylvania >> I live in Philadelphia and have been interested in making a few stepping stones. The weather can get cold here - have been considering putting resin on top of the finished product which was suggested for several reasons. It has also been suggested that in colder climates, you may need to bring the stones inside. I also purchased a paver from local home improvement center (Home Depot). I've been 'attaching' my glass pieces with ES600 glue, but it seems to take a long time to complete. I've decided to use some of the grout products -- there is some kind of cement product that you can use when tiling - the process should go quicker. You may wish to give Rainbow Stained Glass in Bristol, PA a call if Bristol is not too far from you. I know they will be scheduling a class on stepping stones and Dale has promised me that he would even include the cement part of the process. I dont know their phone number off-hand, but if you are unsuccessful in finding it, e-mail directly and I'll look for the business card (i'm familiar with their hours and just go). Margaret From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 12:20:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:03:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ou.edu!dfdavis From: "Davis, Denise F" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: New Idea - Headboard Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:01:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.7135.0> Precedence: bulk Northlights, How about a long, narrow, "window" along the top of a headboard? Northlights said: > ..I started imagining a stained glass headboard for a bed! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 12:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:43:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: More patterns ... and a new look! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:49:26 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The latest Patterns ... Your Way (TM) information was just added to the "What's New!" section of http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ And staineglassbiz.com has a Whole New Look! Check it out: when you get to the site, you click on Biz Buzz ... and you'll see a new list of possiblities, including "What's New!" and "Events." Click on "What's New!" to get the latest on Patterns ... Your Way. Click on "Events," then on "March" to see all about the Glass Bead Expo taking place in New York City next month. Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 14:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: making stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:55:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980213145541.01e44100@netins.net> References: <<1998Feb13.18457.0>> Precedence: bulk With all this talk about stepping stones, it makes me wonder how the process of making them actually works. I understand the process of putting the glass in place in a mold and then pouring the cement into the mold, but what keeps the glass in position and keeps the cement from leaking under the glass? Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 15:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:35:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Northernlights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Idea - Headboard Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.123239.0> References: <<1998Feb13.12729.0>> Precedence: bulk Northernlights wrote: > > Since the question came up about a dining room table, my "over-active > imagination" seems to have kicked in...I started imagining a stained > glass headboard for a bed! At first I thought, "That's has to be > impossible to create," but what with all the knowledge contained in this > group of people, I thought I would throw out my idea. IS it > possible??? Would/should it be done in lead??? (I have a strong liking > to copper foil work myself.) I would assume it would have to literally > be built onto a backing of some sort through the middle of the piece for > support -- wood frame??? And if so, how would you "adhere" it to it's > "internal" support?? This may sound like a crazy idea, but what I > pictured in my head was absolutely gorgeous. Just thought I'd throw > something out for people to think about. Thanks! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would imagine a dado in the bed-post frame. and the panel would be a drop in. since it really would'nt be necessary to light it so you can strengthen it in the back. an idea would be to get a piece of wood and center it on the back. down the center of that wood you would rout a keyhole dado down the center. then make a flat steel I or T beam on the back. this way when you lower it into the slots on the side, the metal T will slide into the strip in the back; and that would prevent the panel from bowing out from the middle. i guess you can leave it open at the top but that would be weaker... also make sure to leave enough space-height so you head does'nt come crashing through the glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 15:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:38:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:09:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb13.22930.0> Precedence: bulk You might want to check out Warner-Crivellaro's web site and their new catalog is fantastic. They are located in Allentown, PA. Their catalog has four wonderful pages dedicated to stepping stones, mosaics, and supplies. Their web site is: http://www.warner.criv.com Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 15:56:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:25:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: making stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:20:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb13.222019.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_887408420_boundary Content-ID: <0_887408420@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-02-13 17:01:37 EST, sae@netins.net writes: << but what keeps the glass in position and keeps the cement from leaking under the glass? >> Clear contact paper - place the glass onto the contact paper that has been cut just to the edge of the form. Even if some of the cement ends up seeping on the glass it is easy enough to wipe off with a wet rag/sponge or extra fine steel wool (0000). Lu Ann --part0_887408420_boundary Content-ID: <0_887408420@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay23.mail.aol.com (relay23.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.69]) by air20.mail.aol.com (v38.1) with SMTP; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:01:36 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by relay23.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA06140; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: glass@bungi.com Subject: making stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:55:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980213145541.01e44100@netins.net> References: <<1998Feb13.18457.0>> Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit With all this talk about stepping stones, it makes me wonder how the process of making them actually works. I understand the process of putting the glass in place in a mold and then pouring the cement into the mold, but what keeps the glass in position and keeps the cement from leaking under the glass? Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part0_887408420_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 16:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:47:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: making stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:47:38 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I understand the process of putting the glass in place in a mold and then pouring the cement into the mold, but what keeps the glass in position and keeps the cement from leaking under the glass? -------- There are others with lots more experience at this than I, but in the class I took, the glass is placed (face down) on a sheet of Contact paper cut to fit the bottom of the mold. This holds the pieces in place and is peeled off when the stone is unmolded. There can be a little leakage, but those little bits of concrete can be scraped/chipped off with a utility knife. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 16:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:25:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.72319.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Scott, the glass is kept in place in the mold because clear contact paper is used. Your glass pieces are placed on your pattern then you place the contact paper on top of the pieces carefully so as to not move any of the pieces. I cut the piece of contact paper to fit the outside of the pattern. Pick up the contact paper with the pieces attached, turn it upside down and place it in the mold. This keeps the glass in place and also keeps cement from getting all over the glass. After the stone is removed from the mold peel off the contact paper and clean the glass with a wet sponge. That should remove any excess cement off the glass. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 17:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:07:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Well guys, I live in Canada, and it sometimes gets a little cold up here, but I make lots of stepping stones and they don't crack - even the ones outside all winter. To winterize them you can add extra portland cement to your concrete, use a concrete sealant on the tops and sides to keep out moisture, and/or put a few inches of mulch over them in winter to keep the snow and ice off. If you try to glue a glass mosaic onto an existing concrete stone, it will definitely not be weatherproof, since water will eventually work its way between the glass pieces and the concrete. Also, it's just as difficult to try to do a patio stone this way as pouring it from scratch. Good luck...and besides, even if you make a mistake and the stepping stone cracks or falls apart, you can just pick the glass pieces out and re-pour it in no time - concrete is cheap and pouring the stones is pretty quick work. Sarah >Is anyone successful in making stepping stones that do not crack? I live >in Pennsylvania and two stores I have tried to buy molds from in my area >told me not to bother. How would I go about puting the design on a >preformed stone? I bought a few pavers at my home improvement center to >try it out but I am a little nervous about putting them together. I was >planning on just laying my desisgn on top and filling in the gaps with >mortar. I just do not know how to keep the pieces in place while I fill >in the gaps with mortar. Is there some kind of glue I can use? Will this >work? > >Lisa >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 17:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:56:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.142939.0> References: <<1998Feb12.131847.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I use pattern shears for foil, and a utility knfe with two blades (side by side) for lead. You place a shim made of cardboard or matchstick between the two blades. Depending on the heart of the lead, you can adjust the shim to open or close the distance between the two cutting edges. You then can cut your pattern, hopefully keeping both blades in contact with the paper or whatever. If you check the gap against a scrap piece of came in between cuts, you won't have to do much grinding to fit. It takes some practice to follow curves, but has worked well for me. -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 18:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:11:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5D8D147A52D1" Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: mosaic tile]] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:17:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.131713.0> Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5D8D147A52D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit friends, this came over my museum newsgroup and i thought that perhaps someone on my glass newsgroup, especially in his geographical area, might be able to help him out. thanks for your efforts, Linn --------------5D8D147A52D1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from venus.hiline.net (venus.hiline.net [206.61.56.22]) by slovakia.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17674 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgvmuse.hiline.net (rgvmuse.hiline.net [206.61.58.198]) by venus.hiline.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA29615 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:12:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34E492B0.1FBF@hiline.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:36:32 -0600 From: Rio Grande Valley Museum Reply-To: rgvmuse@hiline.net Organization: HiLine Internet Customer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeksac@earthlink.net Subject: [Fwd: mosaic tile] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-museum-l@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM Received: from mango.ease.lsoft.com (mango-backup.dc.lsoft.com [206.241.13.21]) by venus.hiline.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28394 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:33:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from home (206.241.12.9) by mango.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.FD22B7E0@mango.ease.lsoft.com>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:33:46 -0500 Received: from HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM by HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8c) with spool id 9653688 for MUSEUM-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:33:54 -0500 Approved-By: moderator@NMMNH-ABQ.MUS.NM.US Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by home.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.12662050@home.ease.lsoft.com>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:05:43 -0500 Received: from JohnLeeke@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id ADGFa06011; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:05:18 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Message-ID: <284bc6a5.34e36410@aol.com> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.museum-l Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:05:18 EST Reply-To: Museum discussion list Sender: Museum discussion list From: JohnLeeke@AOL.COM Subject: mosaic tile Comments: To: preservation-L@netcom.com, histpres@zoo.uvm.edu, jgarskof@compuserve.com, rob_saarnio@pem.org, BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, Lisa_Sasser@nps.gov, fthompson@signet.sig.bsh.com, lwilson@lilac.nhsl.lib.nh.us, Starrmarsh@aol.com, Old-House-l@listserv.aol.com To: MUSEUM-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM Could you please help me get in touch with a tradesperson or craftsperson with experience in the repair and preservation of ceramic mosaic tile floors. The project is located in Maine. John Leeke, Preservation Consultant 26 Higgins St., Portland, Maine 04103, USA 207 773-2306 (phone and fax) Practical Restoration Reports, Publisher Historic HomeWorks: http://www.housenet.com/HistoricHomeWorks/index.htm --------------5D8D147A52D1-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 18:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:10:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:09:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.294.0> Precedence: bulk I've only done stepping stones make with pre-made stones. I use a glue called WeldBond. You can get this at a hardware store. It is a white glue. Step 1. Dust off stone really well. Step 2. Glue your pieces of glass down. Either you can spread the glue over a small area of the stone at a time, or just to the back of each piece as you put it on. Be sure not to have a lot of excess glue squish out from underneath your glass. Step 3. Let this dry till glue is clear. I usually don't disturb mine for 3 days. Step 4. Mix up your grout. I use a sanded grout. On the bag it says for indoor/outdoor use. Add enough water till it is about like a cake batter. Step 5. I wear plastic gloves for this. Take a damp sponge and just go over your glass. Then, pour some grout onto the glass,about a cup and a half or so. Rub it into your glass really well.( with gloved hands).I also go around the sides, like you were icing a cake. Take excess off till you just start to see colors of your glass.(With damp sponge) Let that dry till you see a haze on glass. Then with a scotch pad (green thingy). polish off haze. I usually let this stone dry a day or two. You can also use diluted WeldBond as a sealer. I've done about 45 stones. So far, no problems, but our weather here is pretty mild. (Alabama). E-mail me if you have any questions. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 19:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:19:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.21917.0> Precedence: bulk Well, to shear or not to shear. That is the question. I appreciate all the answers. I will try to use the dang things again. I never thought about laminating patterns. For some of my small patterns, I have used clear contact paper over them to preserve. This works pretty good. What is "oak tag"? Is it about like poster board? Where could I find it? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 19:28:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:23:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!025142320-0002 From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: More patterns ... and a new look! Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:22:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <> Precedence: bulk Thank you Albert for the Info. But i found a "deat" link or the link not ready now? However, i look later again. We have also some Free Patterns on our Page: http://www.bastelzauber.com Look at section "News" On time only tree pattern, but we have all moth a new Pattern (February we link only to Spectrum, because we have no time (I work on new Catalogue) Hello from Germay to all reader herbert Albert Lewis schrieb: > The latest Patterns ... Your Way (TM) information was just added to > the "What's New!" section of http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ > > And staineglassbiz.com has a Whole New Look! Check it out: when you > get to the site, you click on Biz Buzz ... and you'll see a new list > of possiblities, including "What's New!" and "Events." > > Click on "What's New!" to get the latest on Patterns ... Your Way. > Click on "Events," then on "March" to see all about the Glass Bead > Expo taking place in New York City next month. Enjoy! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 19:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:40:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Congrats and IGGA question Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.152521.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Congratulations Albert! I had a question about the IGGA site. I've tried to get on the library site several times and it always says that it can't open a connection to the server. Does this site work? Thanks, Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 20:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:00:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.165824.0> References: <<1998Feb13.72319.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Scott & Dianne: You also have to make sure you're using a form where one side is the same as the other, in order to use Dianne's instructions. If you're using a form like the football helmet or Texas shaped mold, that won't work. The hex, round, heart, etc. shaped molds are great using those steps. But when you have an "odd" shaped one, when you turn it over into the mold, it doesn't fit (it's backwards). It's kind of hard to explain, but trust me......You have to reverse the pattern on those kind. I always trace them out on the back of the orginal. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 20:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:41:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Brass channel Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:39:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.23910.0> Precedence: bulk I work in a frame shop. We get a lot of requests for glass display cases. I had thought about making some with brass channel. But my question is, how do you make the channel stick to the endges of the glass? I know the ends are soldered, but whats to keep the middle from being pulled away from the glass? Also, what do you think would be the largest size I could do ? We have had requests for doll cases, and cases for wedding bouques. We make the bases out of picture frame moulding, cut on its side. Before, we have ordered custom plexie boxes. These are expensive and scratch easily. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 13 20:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:34:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "Lydia" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stepping stone stability Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb13.173622.0> Precedence: bulk Here's the information for Rainbow in Bristol PA RAINBOW STAINED GLASS 815 ROUTE 13 BRISTOL, PA. 19007 PHONE: (215) 785-3034 FAX: (215) 785-5453 1-888-RAIN -690 (ORDERS ONLY PLEASE) OR E-MAIL US AT michaelh@p3.net their web site is www.rainbowstainedglass.com --- >You may wish to give Rainbow Stained Glass in Bristol, PA a call if Bristol is >not too far from you. I know they will be scheduling a class on stepping >stones and Dale has promised me that he would even include the cement part of >the process. I dont know their phone number off-hand, but if you are >unsuccessful in finding it, e-mail directly and I'll look for the business >card (i'm familiar with their hours and just go). > > >Margaret > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 03:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Guild Library down? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:36:22 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I had a question about the IGGA site. I've tried to get on the > library site several times and it always says that it can't open a > connection to the server. Does this site work? Well, it did until I mentioned it. There *is something amiss, you're right. It certainly was working when I put up the "Newest Books" and checked to make sure they were looking all right and that the connections to Amazon.com were working. Naturally (yet another Murphy's Law), something goes wrong on Friday night when the people running the server are gone for the weekend. So I'll touch base with them Monday morning and let you know when it's back up. Sorry. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 04:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:15:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Lead blood tes Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:14:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.121437.0> Precedence: bulk Monona, Thank you for all of the information you have given on the line re: safety issues dealing with stained glass work. Question: when you are referring to "lead" safety factors, are you referring to the use of lead in leaded panels or the use of leaded solder with copper foil work? I have always believed that the use of copper foil with soldering, 60/40 lead to be far less dangerous than working with lead came projects. Is this true? Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 06:15:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:32:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Guild Library link not working? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:36:59 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Several people notified me that the link to the Guild Library at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ wasn't working. I tried it myself and it was true ... it *wasn't working. Then it started working! Why? I dunno, magic? Anyway, it's working now ... I suspect the server people were tweaking their system just as the URL was mentioned. Isn't it always the way? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 06:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:20:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:16:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980214071032.2757755e@sol.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk Hi guys! I am not getting any glassline messages....the server was down, and now it is okay again no messages... is this real, or did something happen? = Meg REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 06:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears/GlassVisions Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 09:00:57 EST Message-ID: <980214.090742.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<34E4EC7D.B301E526@fast.net>> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the dates, Charles, for Glass Visions. Yes, I was there with my husband both days last year...and yes, Saturday was packed. Fortunately, you don't conflict with my parents' 50th anniversary party! You mentioned having bought a Robert Oddy panel and I thought that if there are any newbies on here, they should be encouraged to seek out Oddy's homepage. When I saw his work, I was especially amazed at the size of the panels. They wer smaller than I expected...but packed with such detail. Inspiring. Someone probably has him bookmarked, but i don't do mail with Netscape (QWS2370!), so I can't look, but just search his name on your favorite search engine. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 07:09:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:14:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 09:11:29 EST Message-ID: <980214.091216.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb14.21917.0>> Precedence: bulk yup, Oak tag is poster board. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 08:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:26:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------60BE1A9B1DDA" Subject: Robert Oddy Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:25:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.32555.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------60BE1A9B1DDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just surfed around and found his page...it's http://www.servtech.com/public/rnoddy/ --------------60BE1A9B1DDA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from growl.pobox.com (growl.pobox.com [208.210.124.27]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA21913 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:09:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by growl.pobox.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13615 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern Shears/GlassVisions Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 09:00:57 EST Message-ID: <980214.090742.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<34E4EC7D.B301E526@fast.net>> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the dates, Charles, for Glass Visions. Yes, I was there with my husband both days last year...and yes, Saturday was packed. Fortunately, you don't conflict with my parents' 50th anniversary party! You mentioned having bought a Robert Oddy panel and I thought that if there are any newbies on here, they should be encouraged to seek out Oddy's homepage. When I saw his work, I was especially amazed at the size of the panels. They wer smaller than I expected...but packed with such detail. Inspiring. Someone probably has him bookmarked, but i don't do mail with Netscape (QWS2370!), so I can't look, but just search his name on your favorite search engine. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------60BE1A9B1DDA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 10:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Pattern Shears Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199802141724.JAA19570@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk RE: "Can't make pattern shears work." Susan, I am so glad you asked about the pattern shears! I have tried off and on, for the past four years, to use the dang things! I always give up in total frustration, figuring there must be "better" or "more expensive" shears that work better! I now own three pair (foil), and they are all they same! Next to useless (for me!). I am going to try all the things that have been suggested (one last trial!) then toss them in the yard sale box! At least now I know that it isn't 'just me'! Thanks again, Susan. And, thanks to all the Bungi's for all the suggestions. If there are any more suggestions out there, sure hope you will forward them to Bungi. Jean Norenberg jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 11:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:53:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pattern shears Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:50:12, -0500 Message-ID: <199802141850.NAA05322@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk I don't have much use for pattern shears being the type that takes the "easy" way and cuts by the "English" method on a light table. Know some people that use pinking shears and other fancy cut shears to cut decorative foil. Can be a great idea for use on suncatchers, boxes, etc.. Sewing stores have these shears. Cutting up, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 12:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:55:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles Warner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Robert Oddy's Site Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.85359.0> References: <<980214.090742.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Organization: Warner-Crivellaro Precedence: bulk Yes, Robert Oddy's work is inspiring. The panel we just purchased is small, freeform approx. 13" x 10". A panda bear with bamboo carvings on the side. Those of you who saw Robert's small elephant panel at GlassVisions know anyone would treasure his work. I'd like to display this panel in the store at least for awhile. Ask to see it if you are in the store. Robert (Bob) is such a down-to-earth person that he asked me if he should come here a few days early in August to help prepare for GlassVisions! (He noticed we were shorthanded on the first day last year.) For those of you unfamiliar with Robert Oddy; the last issue of Common Ground had a feature article about his talk at Warner-Crivellaro last spring, One of the glass companies featured his work on their web site and printed a postcard showing one of his windows, Robert Oddy's web site can be found on the "Link" page at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > > Thank you for the dates, Charles, for Glass Visions. Yes, I was > there with my husband both days last year...and yes, Saturday > was packed. Fortunately, you don't conflict with my parents' > 50th anniversary party! > > You mentioned having bought a Robert Oddy panel and I thought that if > there are any newbies on here, they should be encouraged to seek out > Oddy's homepage. When I saw his work, I was especially amazed at > the size of the panels. They were smaller than I expected...but > packed with such detail. > Inspiring. Someone probably has him bookmarked, but i don't do mail > with Netscape (QWS2370!), so I can't look, but just search his name > on your favorite search engine. > > Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 12:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:35:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New Idea - Headboard Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:33:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.19339.0> Precedence: bulk I got a leaded *window* in for repair I thought would be a beautiful head board, it was big enough to be for a king size bed. Most was a wood frame with 'small' panels across the top and larger ones just under it. The biggest thing would be to make it sturdy to stand up with the frame attached (lets hope the inhabitants aren't too rambuncious) or have it attached to the wall behind the bed and not really attached to the bed, like you would do for a very large xmas tree. My dad who is also a wood worker made a regular head board and cut out an area for the glass panel, foiled, to be installed with mirror clasps that can be changed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 13:05:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:23:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern shears Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:19:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb14.201921.0> Precedence: bulk > Know some people that use pinking shears and other fancy cut shears > to cut decorative foil. Can be a great idea for use on suncatchers, > boxes, etc.. Sewing stores have these shears. > > Cutting up, Bob At $20 or more for pinking shears and I don't think they would last very long on copper foil I''d have to recommend an alternative to them, I always threaten anyone who wants to use them on paper that I will have their head. They do have cheap scissors that make scalloped cuts and stuff maybe they would be more disposable to the wear and tear that foil would have on them. My main problem with pattern shears is with staight lines that are intersected by a design like if you have a diamond backround with a letter inthe middle or a flower, if you don't cut in the same direction the lines could be off deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 13:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:55:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Monona please help Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.45345.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Sorry, I don't know your email or I would have done this directly. There is a post at Stained Glass Biz Re lead poisoning. Someone answered that soldering irons do not get hot enough to vaporize solder, therefore you only have to worry about lead getting in your system if you are smoking, because of hand to mouth contamination. First is there truth in this statement? And second if there is not, would you mind writing in at stained glass biz and clarifing the subject. Or would you like to tell me how to handle it and I will write SGB? I know you are busy and you need this like a hole in the head. But I hate the thought of misleading info being on the net, esp. if it could prove to be dangerous. Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 14:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) Re: Lead Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.112624.0> Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message From BUNGI.COM Follows ------- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Lead blood tes Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:14:37 EST > Question: when you are referring to "lead" safety factors, are you > referring to the use of lead in leaded panels or the use of leaded solder > with copper foil work? I have always believed that the use of copper foil > with soldering, 60/40 lead to be far less dangerous than working with lead > came projects. Is this true? Lenore < ---------------------------------------------------------- It really depends on your work. Fume is only created during soldering, so methods that use more solder generate more airborne lead fume which can be inhaled and which can settle on surfaces. Usually more soldering is done in the copper foil method. Good local ventilation to capture or exhaust the solder plume is needed to preclude exposure during the soldering or to avoid building up deposits of lead on surfaces. Working with came exposes the worker by skin contact (some lead is absorbed by the skin) and by lead oxide dust on hand being transferred to food, cigarettes, etc. There is also a small amount of dust with comes off of lead metal when it is worked with--and the older and more oxidized it is the more dust it creates.* Really good hygiene and washing up can usually take care of most of this. The greatest risk appears to be for people who restore old stained glass. Unzipping old windows throws lead dust around from corroded came, putty, lead paint from frames, etc. * footnote: there is a personal air monitoring study of workers who moved solid bricks of lead and stacked them into a wall for temporary protection against emissions from x-ray equipment. It showed they were exposed to lead dust in the air above the OSHA limit! Even shiny clean new bricks shed significant amounts of lead dust when moved. This really surprised me. Hope this helps. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 18:52:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Panel = Opening Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb14.161019.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net, INTERNET:summit-sta= ined-glass@worldnet.att.net TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 2/14/98 9:30 AM RE: Re: Panel =3D Opening Sender: summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.= 127.131.35]) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id JAA13738 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:30:10 -0500 (EST)= Received: from [12.66.97.9] by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9026 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:28:17 +0000 Message-ID: <34E5AB15.6194@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:32:53 -0600 From: mike peck Reply-To: summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.= com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: Panel =3D Opening References: <1998Feb10.91334.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael J. Greer wrote: > = > I'd be interested in finding out what the =3D > commission studios are selling the most > of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? > = > Best regards, > = > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios The vast majority of our commission work is leaded because ..... well =2E... I just prefer to work with lead. To me, there is nothing more mindless than foiling (I know, here come the flames), but I just get bored stiff by foiling. Seriously, I think there are many more options to reinforcement of larger panels using lead and a properly cemented lead panel is much more waterproof than anything foiled. Also, if a foiled panel is ever exposed to freeze/thaw, you're going to get a lot of broken pieces. =46rom a repair standpoint, a foiled panel is much easier to repair and the cosmetics that you can do on the repair are much more effective in hiding the fact that you repaired the panel. Some of my leaded panel repairs look well hidden, but not enough of them. = Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 14 19:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:59:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mcclaind From: Mcclaind@aol.com To: alewis@vgernet.net, Int'l@daver.bungi.com, Guild@daver.bungi.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: St. Pat patterns & a new Moor! Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:55:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb15.25555.0> Precedence: bulk St. Patrick's Day is MARCH 17TH ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 01:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:18:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: GlassVisions Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:16:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb15.91611.0> Precedence: bulk Dorothy or Charles, How about sharing the Glass Visions date with the rest of the Bungis who are also interested in setting that date aside? Thanks in advance, Lenore. Dorothy wrote: < Thanks for the date Charles. P.S. Charles, will bevels be on special again this year? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 09:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:40:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: looking for patterns Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb15.65110.0> Precedence: bulk i am in search of a pattern of a iguana, possiblu a penal -- Jeremy W. Hopkins KC8GWH http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ 443.775 + mhz 103.5 pl in nw ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 10:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:39:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: looking for patterns Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 12:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199802151739.MAA24899@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: >i am in search of a pattern of a iguana, possiblu a penal Jeremy, go to http://www.stainedglass.biz.com/. Click on destinations, then "pattern search". If there are any patterns of iguanas it will tell you the name and author of the book. Good luck! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 11:43:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:18:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: pattern Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:17:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb15.191711.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know of a Jewish Sabbath table, stained glass pattern that would be adaptable to a 4 ft. semi-circular window? I would like things like the kiddish cup, candlesticks, challah, a prayer book and a yamulke in the picture. Thanks in advance. Irene Mermelstein. Irenemerm@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 12:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Monona please help Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:43:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb15.9437.0> Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message from bungi.com Follows ------- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Monona please help Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:53:45 -0800 Organization: Maiden Concepts Sorry, I don't know your email or I would have done this directly. There is a post at Stained Glass Biz Re lead poisoning. Someone answered that soldering irons do not get hot enough to vaporize solder, therefore you only have to worry about lead getting in your system if you are smoking, because of hand to mouth contamination. First is there truth in this statement? And second if there is not, would you mind writing in at stained glass biz and clarifing the subject. Or would you like to tell me how to handle it and I will write SGB? I know you are busy and you need this like a hole in the head. But I hate the thought of misleading info being on the net, esp. if it could prove to be dangerous. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if this stupid myth will ever die! There is tons of data from the electronics and other industries documenting fume from soldering--even at very low temperatures. The OSHA lead standard requires air monitoring for soldering operations to determine the amount of lead fume exposure for workers in order to establish which precautions are required. But it does no good to direct these people to the research and workplace regulations. Instead, the bungi folks need a common sense answer to counteract this argument--and here is it. The myth that soldering doesn't create fume began when people who are ignorant about basic science looked up the vaporization or boiling point of lead. They saw that it was well above soldering temperatures and conveniently decided that this proved there was no problem. That's as stupid as saying that water only evaporates at 212 o F! Water begins to evaporate as soon as it melts from ice (in fact, there is even some evaporation [sublimation] from ice itself). Lead is just another ordinary substance that changes state with heat. And soon as it melts, it starts to vaporize. And the higher the temperature, the faster it vaporizes. However it is important to also understand what happens to lead "vapor." Unlike water vapor, it is too reactive to remain for more than an instant in this state. It reacts with the oxygen in the air to form lead oxide. The molecules of lead oxide condense into little clumps or particles called "fume." It is these tiny invisible particles that are inhaled or which stay in the air for hours and eventually settle all over the workplace and all over the solderer. Granted, they are not formed in huge amounts at stained glass soldering temperatures. But they are in amounts great enough to accumulate in two places: the bodies of people who do this work repeatedly, and all over surfaces in the workplace. If that workplace is in a home, the fume particles end up in dust all over the house and can build up to a point that every family member's lead count will start to rise. The other place fume accumulates during the soldering operation is on the hair, on the clothing, and the skin of the solderer. This is why OSHA requires workers in many lead industries to shower and change clothes before going home. These kinds of precautions are good for stained glass studios as well. At least leave a smock and shoes in the studio and shower as soon as you get home. And always remember, that the precautions are especially important for those of us with children or who plan to have a family. Amounts of lead thought to be safe only a few years ago are now known to affect the neurological development of children. One other thing that you mentioned was that the commenter stated that the only exposure is hand to mouth contact such as from smoking while working. This is, of course an important way in which lead enters the system, but lead metal and lead oxide are also now known to absorb through the skin. The research on this is relatively new and the amount of contribution from this source is still being established. This lead takes a different route and does not enter the blood stream but appears to go into the lymph system. It is known that people skin-absorb lead the fastest when they perspire. Hope this helps. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 12:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: [Fwd: Re: beginner] Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:59:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb15.75959.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <34E5984C.1519@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:12:44 -0600 From: mike peck Reply-To: summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Deepshikha Arora Subject: Re: beginner References: <1998Feb8.17375.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deepshikha Arora wrote: > > i am interested in stain glass painting.... i need advice on where i > should begin from.... > 2. alternatively can anyone suggest how one should go about teaching > oneself this craft > You might start with the book The Art of Painting on Glass by Albinas Elskus. I am self taugh myself and have only been painting for about 3 years. So, it seems like each new project I take on leaves me feeling that there are still a wealth of things I need to learn! Break down and buy a good kiln controller, use good brushes and document everything you do. You'll save yourself a bunch of headaches. Also, Mike and Dani Greer in Colorado have been very gracious to help me through a few problems. Nothing wrong with the self taught approach, but you can expect to waste out a lot of materials just experimenting .... and that should leave you feeling that you might have been ahead by paying the fees for a class at the outset. Good luck, and keep us posted on progress. Feel free to email me privately if you have any questions. Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 15 13:15:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Panel = Opening] Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:06:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb15.860.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <34E5AB15.6194@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:32:53 -0600 From: mike peck Reply-To: summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: Panel = Opening References: <1998Feb10.91334.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael J. Greer wrote: > > I'd be interested in finding out what the = > commission studios are selling the most > of percentage-wise. Copperfoil or lead? > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios The vast majority of our commission work is leaded because ..... well .... I just prefer to work with lead. To me, there is nothing more mindless than foiling (I know, here come the flames), but I just get bored stiff by foiling. Seriously, I think there are many more options to reinforcement of larger panels using lead and a properly cemented lead panel is much more waterproof than anything foiled. Also, if a foiled panel is ever exposed to freeze/thaw, you're going to get a lot of broken pieces. >From a repair standpoint, a foiled panel is much easier to repair and the cosmetics that you can do on the repair are much more effective in hiding the fact that you repaired the panel. Some of my leaded panel repairs look well hidden, but not enough of them. Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 06:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:57:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: No Mail? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! I haven't had any mail for a couple of days???? Where is everyone? I miss you guys. I am working on nightlights and several people that I have made them for have problems with the polarized plugs -- when they plug them in they are upside down! So I thought I saw in a catalog the swivel nightlight plug -- has anyone tried these? On the topic of the pattern shears: I keep an old wax candle in my pencil cup and run it over the blades every so often -- really helps! I think I read this tip at the Meredith Stained Glass web site -- thank you! Also I find it easier to make small quick cuts and it moves pretty quickly. I was suprised when I started doing glass that a rotary cutter was not available for this craft. It would be great to have the rotary cutter for large straight cuts -- I would think they could layer 2 blades together somehow. Hmmmm...maybe I should write Fiskars a quick note. .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._ /\_/\ =(=^*^=)= Di Baker / ~ \ Rosebud Stained Glass ( | | ) ~^ ^~( "The Fab 5" Bogie, Chanel, Sarah, Torns, JB Cagney *_ http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 07:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:30:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Free Stained Glass Software and Designs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:36:10 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk We just added to "What's New" on stainedglassbiz.com ... Dragonfly Software has announced the availability of "The Glass Eye: Internet Edition," which allows you to use your computer to view and print professionally designed stained glass patterns. The software is available free on their web site. Along with 25 free full-color patterns (most of them provided by CKE Publications), they have nearly 200 additional patterns available for purchase. The software gives you the unlimited ability to resize, reshape, recolor, and print stained glass patterns, all from your home or studio. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 10:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:00:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Pattern shears Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:11:41 -0600 Message-ID: <199802161800.MAA03875@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >My main problem with pattern shears is with staight lines that are intersected >by a design like if you have a diamond backround with a letter inthe middle or >a flower, if you don't cut in the same direction the lines could be off >deb Hi deb, I think I understand what your getting at. It is hard to get clean continuation of a line through a design when you use pattern shears. If you can cut out the section with the design first then you can cut through the grid pattern from the same direction.... which helps some. Before I cut up a pattern I decide pretty much what the main glazing order will be ( leaded work ) this way when I cut the pattern up I can cut the longest continuous lines in one pass then cut the short abutting lines just as if I was leading up. When you are learning to drive they teach you that it is easier to steer when you look up the road, not right in front of you. It works the same way when your cutting a pattern line with shears. If you hold the pattern up and look out ahead of the tips of the blades at the line when you cut, I think it helps. A diamond window, contrary to what many people think, is a true test of skill. Any pieces that are even slightly off will be immediately obvious and look crooked to anyones eye. The cuts and the glazing need to be extremely accurate. As was mentioned in other posts, pattern shear techniques are are hard to describe, but I hope this helps Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 12:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:50:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where is everyone? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:47:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb16.44733.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, I sure haven't seen much in the way of Bungi mail. What has happened to everyone. Have you all gone on strike? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 12:53:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:03:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New on Art Glass World Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802162001.PAA06991@ddi.digital.net> Precedence: bulk --Art Glass World Update-- New Sponsors and Updates-- Old California Lantern Company Manufacturer of quality, handmade lighting products. All of their fixtures are made at their factory in Orange, California. Product designs are inspired by the rich history of Old California. Each one tells a story, combining the historic backdrop of an architectural style or California location. Visit to browse through the product designs featured on the online catalog and see what's new. Sponsors of the Free Patterns Page at http://www.artglassworld.com/pattern2.html. New "Glass Eye: Internet Edition" from Dragonfly Software Free software and patterns for your personal computer. This new product allows you to view professionally designed stained glass patterns, change them to suit your needs, and print them. Visit Dragonfly from the Free Patterns page at http://www.artglassworld.com/pattern.html and download the software and 25 patterns without paying a cent. Along with the free patterns (most provided by CKE Publications), they have nearly 200 additional patterns available for purchase. Their patterns allow unlimited resizing, reshaping, recoloring, and printing, and you can do it all from your home or studio. New Bullsheet from Gemini Saw Co. Check out the annual addition of the Bullsheet to learn about the improvements on the Taurus Ring Saws, get tips from the Frequently Asked Questions Section and learn how to win a free blade. Visit at http://www.geminisaw.com/bull.html. Featured Web Site of the Week Dragonfly Software - If you're a stained glass professional or hobbyist who loves to design your own windows, then The Glass Eye design software is the solution you have been waiting for. With this software, you can create precise designs that are easier to view and edit than any pencil and paper drawing. Visit for a free demo program from the home page banner at www.artglassworld.com. It was great meeting some of you at the AGSA show in Orlando last weekend. Looking forward to meeting more of you at the trade show in Houston. If you can't make the trip drop us an e-mail and let us know what you think. The feedback we get from our visitors is wonderful. Thanks for your comments and suggestions and keep them coming! Happy Crafting, Jennifer Daniels ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 15:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:36:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: voice email (off topic) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:44:31 -0600 Message-ID: <199802162234.QAA29771@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Off Topic Anyone using Ms voice email 3.0? Please pmail me if you have an opinion you'd like to share Thanks Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 15:42:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:31:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Stained Glass Software and Designs Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb16.132133.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I just got to look at this, and it's pretty neat. It was fun to look at all the patterns. I like to have things like this for inspiriation, ideas, and for reference. My daughter's busily coloring some of the free patterns we copied. Bungi's own Christie Wood is on there too! Wow! Jerri On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:36:10 +0000 "Albert Lewis" writes: >We just added to "What's New" on stainedglassbiz.com ... > >Dragonfly Software has announced the availability of "The Glass Eye: >Internet Edition," which allows you to use your computer to view and >print professionally designed stained glass patterns. The software is >available free on their web site. Along with 25 free full-color >patterns (most of them provided by CKE Publications), they have >nearly 200 additional patterns available for purchase. The software >gives you the unlimited ability to resize, reshape, recolor, and >print stained glass patterns, all from your home or studio. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 16:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Query for gift box company Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:12:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb16.81210.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a company that sells gift boxes(to us that do not have the ability to get wholesale) at a very reasonable rate? I am thinking about boxes for the cast body hummingbirds, faeries, butterfly ladies, and free standing angels(6",9", and 12"). I know my customers are going to be asking for them! Thanks in advance. Shirley Balloch want to see my stepping stones, http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft/shirss.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 22:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:46:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Whoa boy!!! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:44:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb17.54451.0> Precedence: bulk What in the world have I gotten myself into? These are the words I kept repeating to myself tonight as I cut out my girrafe window pattern. The dang thing has 155 pcs. I know that small potatoes to some of you, but it's scary to me. I had asked y'all last week about how to use pattern shears. I got many good responses. By golly, I tried all of them tonight. The results? I have one pair of slightly used shears for sale!! Nothing worked for me. It liked to chew on my pattern. So... I used my trusty regular scissors and cut on either side of my pattern line. Now, I'm half blind and I still have about 30 pcs. to go. WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO PATTERNS WITH THE PIECES ALREADY CUT?!? Thanks for letting me vent, Susan (donations for the "Save Susan's Sanity Fund" may be sent to the above address) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 22:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:54:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New found beauty Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:54:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb16.175448.0> Precedence: bulk While visiting a gift shop(that had stained glass items in it of course), I stumbled upon a box of various rocks. Inside the box were crystals and other various natural rocks for collectors. I found two oval Agate slices about 4 inch and about 1/8 inch thick. These slices were highly polished and had such a depth of color I couldn't resist buying them. They were about $3.00 a piece. One is such a deep fushia that makes me think I'm looking down into a mystical volcano. The outside shape is echoed in the center with an almost whispy white. Parts are translucent and parts transparent. The other is an almost cobalt blue and has the same characteristics as the fushia. Nature is a truly beautiful. Now I have the challenge to incorporate them into a glass project. Any suggestions? Has anybody done this before with agate slices? The next time you are in a place that sells rocks please look for the Agates imported from Brazil and like me you will be in awe with the beauty of nature. Patrick Roses and Rainbows (and Agates) to all. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 16 23:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:08:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New found beauty Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:03:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb16.18323.0> References: <<1998Feb16.175448.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk There is a woman from down near Cape Hatteras who uses agate slices in some of her work, and it's FANTASTIC! One of the most original agate-based pieces I have seen of hers is a small, bed-side table lamp shaped just like a mushroom where the entire thing is made up of agate slices! Some of them were cut into 1/4s & 1/6ths to fit in between whole slices so there weren't a lot of large areas of solder in the piece. Both the top of the mushroom cap AND the mushroom stem were lighted and could be operated independently. The colors were simply spectacular for this project too--all earth-tones!! She also uses agate slices as center medallions in jewelry boxes, but they don't light up and although pretty, I don't care for them as much. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA > ---- pkelly wrote: <> > Now I have the challenge to incorporate them into a glass project. Any > suggestions? Has anybody done this before with agate slices? > > Patrick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 06:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New found beauty Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:46:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb17.134632.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick writes: << Now I have the challenge to incorporate them into a glass project. Any suggestions? Has anybody done this before with agate slices? >> Agates make dramatic additions to any project. Just foil and use them like a piece of glass. They can even be cut (sometimes) to fit a certain size. I've seen them used for a setting sun, or incorporated into a colorful geometric pattern, enhanced with glass globs and art glass, etc. x 2000. I use them for the middle of crosses, and then use a matching cathedral glass and glue chip (which brings out the crystal in the agate). Get creative and have fun! Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 12:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:47:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Whoa boy!!! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:40:59 -0600 Message-ID: <199802171830.MAA29505@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO PATTERNS WITH THE PIECES ALREADY CUT?!? Hi Susan, Patterns could very easily be precut. I don't know if its ever been done though. The demand for any one particular design would probably not be substantial enough to make it cost effective. The tooling and the setup costs are not condusive to short run production. Every step in the fabrication of your window demands equal attention and craftsmanship in order to have a quality finished item Susan. If you feel frustrated with one particular step thats the one you need to concentrate on the most. I have rushed steps in a project and ended up really regretting it... a classic example of the "cumulative effect"......just speaking from my own experience of course. I am curious how many patterns sold of one design would be considered a *best seller* and what is the all time most popular pattern. If there are any companies on this list that have considered precut patterns of any volume and would be interested in discussing possibilities, please feel free to contact me. Forgive me the one time only spam-like post Len Alcamo ( wearing his business hat ) Sunnyside Products ****die cut specialties **** Box 392 Fountain City, WI 54629 608.687.9983 voice/fax ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 12:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dates Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 14:57:07 EST Message-ID: <980217.150353.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Precedence: bulk Someone asked a couple of dates what the dates would be for Glass Visions at Warner-Criv, and I thought Charles had posted to the list, but I guess it was to me (heh, I'm tired...). He told me Aug. 22-23. I'm sure he'll make it official once it is official, but some of us have to think of vacation time, etc..It's too far for me to enjoy driving down for just the weekend, but take a couple of days off and...vacation! I'm thinking of trying to find a campground just north of Allentown, so we don't have to drive on the highway THROUGH Allentown everyday (the road is well over capacity!) Last summer we stayed near Kutztown which is lovely, but we want to try something else this year. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 15:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:42:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: test Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.123919.0> Precedence: bulk i want to see if this get's posted, i e-mailed back a few things this morning, and hav'nt gotten my own mail. so i want to see if this get's through... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 16:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'DMR74@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Pattern shears Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:25:38 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.172538.0> Precedence: bulk I have bought 3 pair of sheers from "Paper Direct", one was scalloped, = another a wave line and the other a u and v line.. Each was $3.95 = each.. one was stolen and the other 2 are used.. Hey,for $3.95, how can = you go wrong..=20 Gloria -----Original Message----- From: DMR74@aol.com [SMTP:DMR74@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 6:19 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern shears > Know some people that use pinking shears and other fancy cut shears=20 > to cut decorative foil. Can be a great idea for use on suncatchers,=20 > boxes, etc.. Sewing stores have these shears. > =20 > Cutting up, Bob At $20 or more for pinking shears and I don't think they would last very = long on copper foil I''d have to recommend an alternative to them, I always threaten anyone who wants to use them on paper that I will have their = head. They do have cheap scissors that make scalloped cuts and stuff maybe = they would be more disposable to the wear and tear that foil would have on = them. =20 My main problem with pattern shears is with staight lines that are = intersected by a design like if you have a diamond backround with a letter inthe = middle or a flower, if you don't cut in the same direction the lines could be off deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 17:19:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:26:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'Charles Warner'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Robert Oddy's Site Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:25:06 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.17256.0> Precedence: bulk Charles, If I missed the post, please post again, I am near Pittsburgh and I might be able to attend this year.. Thanks Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Charles Warner [SMTP:charles@fast.net] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 4:54 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Robert Oddy's Site Yes, Robert Oddy's work is inspiring. The panel we just purchased is small, freeform approx. 13" x 10". A panda bear with bamboo carvings on the side. Those of you who saw Robert's small elephant panel at GlassVisions know anyone would treasure his work. I'd like to display this panel in the store at least for awhile. Ask to see it if you are in the store. Robert (Bob) is such a down-to-earth person that he asked me if he should come here a few days early in August to help prepare for GlassVisions! (He noticed we were shorthanded on the first day last year.) For those of you unfamiliar with Robert Oddy; the last issue of Common Ground had a feature article about his talk at Warner-Crivellaro last spring, One of the glass companies featured his work on their web site and printed a postcard showing one of his windows, Robert Oddy's web site can be found on the "Link" page at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > > Thank you for the dates, Charles, for Glass Visions. Yes, I was > there with my husband both days last year...and yes, Saturday > was packed. Fortunately, you don't conflict with my parents' > 50th anniversary party! > > You mentioned having bought a Robert Oddy panel and I thought that if > there are any newbies on here, they should be encouraged to seek out > Oddy's homepage. When I saw his work, I was especially amazed at > the size of the panels. They were smaller than I expected...but > packed with such detail. > Inspiring. Someone probably has him bookmarked, but i don't do mail > with Netscape (QWS2370!), so I can't look, but just search his name > on your favorite search engine. > > Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 17:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:27:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'M. Savad'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: test Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:26:05 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.17265.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, I replied back to " reply all", hope you receive this. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:morn@nac.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 8:39 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: test i want to see if this get's posted, i e-mailed back a few things this morning, and hav'nt gotten my own mail. so i want to see if this get's through... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 18:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:11:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: test Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.16920.0> References: <<01BD3BDA.140C4660@rs15ip131.usaor.net>> Precedence: bulk Gloria & George wrote: > > Mike, > I replied back to " reply all", hope you receive this. > Gloria > > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Savad [SMTP:morn@nac.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 8:39 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: test > > i want to see if this get's posted, i e-mailed back a few things this > morning, and hav'nt gotten my own mail. so i want to see if this get's > through... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added > and My Updated Shop Photo's > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i figured out what i did, i did the re: instead of re:all because of this new format. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 19:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:19:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non glass related Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.10184.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi I am having trouble getting things to post at stainedglassbiz.com I get an HTTP Error 401 or 405 And I can't even get through to Warner-Crivellaro. I get the HTTP Error 405 for that one right away. My ISP says it is the site's problem, but I am suspious of my ISP. So I am not asking for computer advise, just is anyone else having similiar problems? Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 20:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:31:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass related Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:30:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.153034.0> References: <<1998Feb17.10184.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Hey Shirley, You're gonna LOVE this! I tried to go to Warner-Crivellaro after seeing your post and the site gave me a pop-up window asking for my "Username" and "Password", then it took FOREVER trying to load, after which I got another pop-up window telling me that authorization had failed... I tried again and then received the following message in my browser screen: > "HTTP Error 401 > 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource > > This error indicates that the credentials passed by the client do not have access > to the particular resource on the server. This resource could be either the page > or file listed in the address line of the client, or it could be another file on > the server that is needed to process the file listed on the address line of the > client. > Please make a note of the entire address you were trying to access and then > contact the Web server's administrator to verify that you have permission to > access the requested resource." I even went to Stained Glass Biz and tried to access it through the link on their storefinder site, but to no avail! I guess Shirley & I are not allowed to shop Warner's online anymore, huh? So Charles, I guess it's up to you then?? V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd > ---- Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Hi <> > And I can't even get through to Warner-Crivellaro. I get the HTTP Error > 405 for that one right away. > My ISP says it is the site's problem, but I am suspious of my ISP. > Is anyone else having similiar problems? > Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 21:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:34:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: Non glass related Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:35:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.173541.0> Precedence: bulk Hello. Tried the W-C site and recieved the same message as Shirley and VT. However, stainedglassbiz.com did come up. Maybe W-C doesn't like our business(8-) .... I don't think so. Probably just a gremlin in the system. Well Shirley ... nothing left to do except ...... cut more glass. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 17 23:49:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:29:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass related Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.21251.0> References: <<1998Feb17.153034.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Just got the same as below, wants a user name and password-?????????? Ok whats the secret password?? Duh!!! Lee Boe NCScouter wrote: > > Hey Shirley, > You're gonna LOVE this! I tried to go to Warner-Crivellaro after seeing > your post and the site gave me a pop-up window asking for my "Username" > and "Password", then it took FOREVER trying to load, after which I got > another pop-up window telling me that authorization had failed... I > tried again and then received the > following message in my browser screen: > > > "HTTP Error 401 > > 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 00:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:25:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Warner-Crivelarro Access Problems Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199802180815.AAA26271@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk What a surprise! I got the same thing: HTTP Error 401 401.1 Unauthorized: Logon Failed This error indicates that the credentials passed to the server do not match the credentials required to log on to the server. Please contact the Web server's administrator to verify that you have permission to access the requested resource. What's going on here? ---------- > From: leestat7 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Non glass related > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 11:25 PM > > Just got the same as below, wants a user name and password-?????????? > Ok whats the secret password?? Duh!!! > > Lee Boe > > NCScouter wrote: > > > > Hey Shirley, > > You're gonna LOVE this! I tried to go to Warner-Crivellaro after seeing > > your post and the site gave me a pop-up window asking for my "Username" > > and "Password", then it took FOREVER trying to load, after which I got > > another pop-up window telling me that authorization had failed... I > > tried again and then received the > > following message in my browser screen: > > > > > "HTTP Error 401 > > > 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource > -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 04:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:55:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thank you all Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:50:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb17.195055.0> References: <<34DD1CE4.371@p085.aone.net.au>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Thank you all, at least this time I know I am not going crazy!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 07:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:29:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:29:06 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I had no problem getting into the Warner-Crivellaro site this morning. Either it's fixed, or .... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 08:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:18:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "Kaye Sodt" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:18:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199802181609.IAA08065@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Your right! The magic computer gremlins have been at it again! At midnite it didn't work, now, this morning it works. At least we all know it wasn't OUR computer and/or server acting up again! Jean ---------- > From: Kaye Sodt > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: W-C > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 7:29 AM > > I had no problem getting into the Warner-Crivellaro site this > morning. Either it's fixed, or .... > > Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 09:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Agates Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:24:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.62411.0> Precedence: bulk I'm going to be using some sliced agates in a commissioned piece of a mermaid playing with dolphins. I'll use the agates to "anchor" this piece to a shoreline. So the agates form the underwater rock face on either side of the panel. The whole panel is very free-form (no frame) and is distinctly horizontal. Say 2 feet wide by 14 inches tall. I think the agate will perform double duty by representing the earth, but also the mystical qualities of the undersea realm of the mermaid. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 09:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:51:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glass related Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.64330.0> References: <<1998Feb17.153034.0>> Precedence: bulk I tried this link out and to get in you must hit your reload key. The link below works fine after hitting reload. If you dont have reload go to another site then hit the back button, it sometimes works as well or you can clear your cache. Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 09:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: 3hounds@usaor.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern shears Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:27:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb18.162750.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-17 19:25:17 EST, you write: > I have bought 3 pair of sheers from "Paper Direct", one was scalloped, another > a wave line and the other a u and v line.. Each was $3.95 each.. one was > stolen and the other 2 are used.. Hey,for $3.95, how can you go wrong.. > Gloria > Gloria, I guess that's what I was trying to get across is that the ones in fabric stores are much more expensive, and to try to get ones that are hobby shears. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 14:25:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:02:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.6254.0> References: <<199802181609.IAA08065@intergate.lasercom.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Kaye or Jean or both, It still isn't working for me. I live on the Oregon Coast. Are you on this side of the country? I am wondering if all those land slides in Ca. have taken out another terminal and if that could be the problem. I can't even get to Warner's site to ask them. I can get to stained glass biz, but it will not let me post on the chat board or the trading post. So is anyone on this side of the country having problems or (shoot) is it my problem. Jean wrote: > > Your right! The magic computer gremlins have been at it again! At midnite > it didn't work, now, this morning it works. > > At least we all know it wasn't OUR computer and/or server acting up again! > > Jean > > ---------- > > From: Kaye Sodt > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: W-C > > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 7:29 AM > > > > I had no problem getting into the Warner-Crivellaro site this > > morning. Either it's fixed, or .... > > > > Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 14:48:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:22:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non glass related Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:20:46 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > From: "NCScouter" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Non glass related > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:30:34 -0800 > Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > > "HTTP Error 401 > > 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource > > > After clearing my local cache, I can't get through either, however this message is due to a security issue at the site. Maybe they are updating the site and are temporarily off line. I'm sure it will be back soon. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 15:13:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:23:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non glass related Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > My ISP says it is the site's problem, but I am suspious of my ISP. > So I am not asking for computer advise, just is anyone else having > similiar problems? Shirley, it might be your ISP's "backbone" provider that is having the problem. I get through to both fine. Best advice is to keep trying. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 15:19:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:51:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:49:53 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Yikes! It worked fine this morning when I tried, but now I'm getting that HTTP Error 401 message, too! (I'm in Chicago). Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 15:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:57:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Warner site Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:56:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb18.225616.0> Precedence: bulk I live on the east coast, and decided to try and use the Warner's link I had set up in my favorite places, since I know that it worked for me before. Apparently it has nothing to do with your location because my link doesnt work either! So the problem is with the warner site and not with your computors or your servers. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 15:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:13:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Bankers House" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Agates Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.171333.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds beautiful! Could you place a photo of the completed work on the web, or send out so that others can see it? Dale Bentley >I'm going to be using some sliced agates in a commissioned >piece of a mermaid playing with dolphins. I'll use the agates >to "anchor" this piece to a shoreline. So the agates form the >underwater rock face on either side of the panel. The whole >panel is very free-form (no frame) and is distinctly horizontal. >Say 2 feet wide by 14 inches tall. I think the agate will perform >double duty by representing the earth, but also the mystical >qualities of the undersea realm of the mermaid. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 16:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:06:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.13649.0> References: <<1998Feb18.6254.0>> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley! I just tried to get to w-c and got the same error 401. I'm on the east side of the country so it isn't your weather! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 16:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:17:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Shirley Balloch , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:16:53 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: W-C" on Feb 18, 14:02, Shirley Balloch writes:] > It still isn't working for me. I live on the Oregon Coast. Are you on > this side of the country? > I am wondering if all those land slides in Ca. have taken out another > terminal and if that could be the problem. I'm in San Jose, CA. It's okay for me. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 16:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: W-C Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:33:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb18.23334.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-18 18:21:17 EST, you write: << now I'm getting that HTTP Error 401 message, too! >> So am I. I just tried to call their 800 number to see if they are aware of the problem but they are closed for the evening. I'll check my e-mail this evening late to see if Charles or Stephanie have responded. If not, I'll try to reach them tomorrow; or, if someone knows them personally you might want to let them know. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 17:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:35:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Warner-Criv site not allowing access?! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.123416.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Charles W. & bunigians, I have just tried to access the Warner-Crivellaro site again this evening at 8:30PM EDT from the US Sprint Internet backbone, at first it seemed to come up just fine - BUT I then forced my browser (Netscape) to "RELOAD" the page afresh and received the following message just the same as last night between midnight and 2AM EDT: > HTTP Error 401 > 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource > This error indicates that the credentials passed by the client do not > have access to the particular resource on the server. This resource > could be either the page or file listed in the address line of the > client, or it could be another file on the server that is needed to > process the file listed on the address line of the client. > > Please make a note of the entire address you were trying to access > and then contact the Web server's administrator to verify that you > have permission to access the requested resource. While this is on the screen, a pop-up window comes up asking for my "Username" & "Password". Can this be fixed?? Has anyone else "RELOADED" the page and had it come up normally? Ciao~ V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 18:17:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:52:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles Warner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: W-C; site not working Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.15491.0> References: <<1998Feb18.23334.0>> Organization: Warner-Crivellaro Precedence: bulk Yes, we are having some unexpected problems with our ISP. This should be solved tomorrow. Sorry about the inconvenience. Charles Warner > << now I'm getting > that HTTP Error 401 message, too! >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 22:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:48:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:47:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb19.54731.0> Precedence: bulk In reply to your creative storage, I purchased a container for nails, etc from the hardware store. It has about twelve drawers in three different sizes. I put glass globs in some of the drawers, in others I put steel wool, push pins, small hinges that I use for my box lids, and any other small item. This keeps it contained in as small space and keeps your work area clear. I too keep my workshop in the garage and I store the zinc came I use in an old box that flourescent light bulbs came in. I also have metal shelves to keep my solder, extra bottles of flux, wire, etc in a neat contained area. I also covered one wall over my work area with peg board and hang my tools on it as well as any other item to keep my work area clear. Hope this has helped you even a little. Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 18 22:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:02:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Agates Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:02:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb18.18241.0> References: <<1998Feb18.62411.0>> Precedence: bulk Sounds so beautiful how about a photo as an attachment when you finish? Pleeeeease. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: > I'm going to be using some sliced agates in a commissioned > piece of a mermaid playing with dolphins. I'll use the agates > to "anchor" this piece to a shoreline. So the agates form the > underwater rock face on either side of the panel. The whole > panel is very free-form (no frame) and is distinctly horizontal. > Say 2 feet wide by 14 inches tall. I think the agate will perform > double duty by representing the earth, but also the mystical > qualities of the undersea realm of the mermaid. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 06:49:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Agates Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.42937.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "The Bankers House" (Dale Bentley); >Sounds beautiful! Could you place a photo of the completed work on the web, or send out so that others can see it?< OK. Thanks to all who've emailed me to get off my tush and get my web site on-line. Since I'm a member of IGGA, I'm going to avail myself of our free web site service to members. Now...which five photos to send to Albert? Hmmmmm...... Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 08:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:18:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Agates Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:25:26 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > OK. Thanks to all who've emailed me to get off my tush > and get my web site on-line. Since I'm a member of IGGA, > I'm going to avail myself of our free web site service to > members. Now...which five photos to send to Albert? I'm looking forward to seeing them, too, Christie. Be sure to use the caption form for each of them ... it's at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/captions.htm Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 09:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:26:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ceo.cudenver.edu!Diane_R._Morrison From: Diane_R._Morrison@ceo.cudenver.edu (Diane R. Morrison) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ruth Glass Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:30:57 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Colorado Education Online Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any green "Ruth Glass". David Ruth made beautiful sheet glass in the 80's and he made a green that some times had orange in it. I only need a piece 4"x10" for a bird's feathers and only the green without the orange. If anyone has some please e-mail me directly, (since I'm not a regular on this list) at: diane_r._morrison@ceo.cudenver.edu Thanks, Alex Glassman in sunny Denver ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 09:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pre-cut patterns Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.65046.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk E&H Patterns out of Oregon used to provide pre-cut, stick-on patterns. Don't know if they are still available, but they were really nice. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 09:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: craftnetwork.com!petem From: "Pete Mitchell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SGB Chatroom Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:50:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.65018.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just wanted to let you know that the Stained Glass Biz Chatroom is back up and running. We apologize for the inconvenience, we were performing upgrades to increase speed and this caused unexpected problems with the programs that run the chatroom. We fixed the programs and tested them to make sure all is well. Please let us know if you have any further difficulties. Thanks for your patience, Pete ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 09:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:04:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: pattern search Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:28:53 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I am looking for a pattern of a peacock that can be fit/adapted into a 48x10" space. Nothing has come up so far. Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 13:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:39:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: New workshops Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:45:25 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk New information has been put up on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events." Click on "Biz Buzz" then on "Events" -- the following workshops begin under "March": The 1998 Spring program at The Studio of The Corning Museum of Glass has been announced. You can sign up for classes beginning March 3rd in beginning and continuing glassblowing, beginning lampworking for adults (and kids!), flat (stained) glass, lampworking beads and such with Moretti glass, scientific flameworking ... and more, quite a lot more! They have weekend workshops in glassblowing, paperweights at the furnace, beadmaking, beginning lampworking, continuing glassblowing, fusing and slumping glass with enamels, advanced flameworking techniques ... and a special four-day workshop that's an introduction to Venetian glassblowing techniques. One-day sessions on marble-making, beadmaking, "glass candies," paperweights at the furance, and core-formed vessels at the torch are also being offered. For the complete story, ask for their brochure! Contact The Studio of The Corning Museum of Glass, One Museum Way, Corning, NY 14830-2253. Telephone: (607) 974-6467. Fax: (607) 974-6370. Or just click through to their email address in any of the workshop descriptions at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and ask for the brochure. (Be sure to give them your mailing address!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 17:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:37:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Myrddn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern search Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:37:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.153720.0> References: <> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk There is one on page 50 of A Stained Glass Journey by Jillian Sawyer. It appears to be about 12 x 68 but that could be changed. Also there are four other patterns of peacocks in that book. Good luck! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 20:20:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:50:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chartres Photos - Malcolm Miller Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:44:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199802200348.DAA11430@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians (.... Dear Stephanie Hansen), First of all I would be most eager to hear if any of you made it to attend Malcolm Miller's lecture in USA. and if yes, PLEASE SHARE!! Secondly, Kris (Mighty Computer Guru) has now given the all clear for me to tell you all that the first selection of pics from our visit to Chartres last Easter are up on my WEB-site . For some technical reason I was at first only allowed to tell a few at a time. There WILL be more pics; there WILL also eventually be text. The pics are basically from Chartres itself, one or two from the Cathedral, a few from our visit to the world-famous Loire Studio. The young tall gentleman featuring a couple of times is the oldest Grandson Loire. Did I tell the story of how Grandfather Loire died??? At Christmas 1996, he was working on a large creation of a Dalle de Verre design. He had spent months designing it. Finally, the day after Boxing Day (27th Dec) he finally managed to finish it and started off the first few pieces.; got them all lined up on the design - all ready for the "Up and Go", left the studio, washed and brushed up and walked back across the gravel path into the big house to have a rest. He lied down and never woke up. We arrived there only roughly 3 months later, so his death was still very much felt. We saw the design and saw the work that Son and Grandsons were involved in to complete this his last stained glass. If any of you folks were or served in Berlin during the 1960's 70's, you will know the real Berlin "symbol" (other than the famous bear) of Kaiser Wilhelm Gedaechtniskirche in the heart of Berlin that got totally bombed out during the 2nd World War. A new church got resurrected around the ruins, now affectionately called the "Lipstick and Compact Church" (because that is crudely what it looks like). Grandfather Loire made the fabulous, serene dalle de verre stained glass for the new church I saw it in 1962 on my first visit to Berlin, a year after the Berlin Wall went up. It was stunning and was really MY very first emotional encounter with stained glass. The serenity, the peace that the stained glass evoked in a once bombed out ruin as a result from a dreadful war, to me then just somehow didn't add up; didn't make sense. But I have never forgotten it. Little did I know then, that I myself would one day be involved in stained glass ; even less did I know that I myself would use a piece of masonry from the dreadful Berlin Wall in my own stained glass, only months after it was torn down again....... Historically, we sort of all remember "What did we do when JFK died". Over here, it was just the same: " What Did You Do When The Wall Came Down". Since the early 1960's I have travelled the width and breadth of Eastern Europe and NEVER in a Month of Sundays did I think that the Wall would come down in MY Lifetime.... Sure, there are now economical problems, free market problems and employment problems. But THAT is another story......( and certainly NOT stained glass!!) A Small Group photo underneath a stained glass canope in the Loire Studio gardens shows from left to right Grandson Loire, Kathe McDonald (Bungi USA), Elisabeth (Bungi UK), Peggy Johnson (Bungi USA) and John Chapman (one of my students). A pic of ME - at LAST!!!! (but don't hold your breaths!!) My WEB-site address: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm Click on "classes" and then on "Clifton"; at the bottom of that page you will find the reference to Chartres. (I myself have experienced difficulties in the last 24 hours when trying to click on thumbnails to get enlargements. It could be just me. Have to wait for clarification until "Kris" comes back from his UK-wide travels...) Enjoy! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Stephanie Hansen wrote: "I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of Chartres. P.S. to Elisabeth (spelled it right this time!) - my subscriber sent this to me because she saw the bit on your reaction to Chartres that you graciously allowed me to add to my site - thanks again! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 21:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Whoa boy!!! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb20.592.0> Precedence: bulk O.K. I have a stupid question. I cut out my pattern.(Regular sciccors) I trimmed 1/32 from each piece. Now, how will I know if my pieces are cut correctly since they don't meet the pattern lines. Also, this is a 24 x 36 window that will be going over a bar, recessed into the ceiling. I plan on using a run of re-bar. Looking through a catalog, I spotted this copper coated steel reinforcement strip that is soldered in between each piece. Would this be better? I would really prefer a piece of glass be installed under the window, but I don't think this customer would go for it. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 21:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:29:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Agates Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.192546.0> References: <<1998Feb19.42937.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I use Agate's both in candle holders and boxes. Due to their thickness and structure, they do thermal shock and crack. By pulling a light with a 100 watt bulb down close to the work until it is too hot to touch, you can solder them with out so much cracking. This heats both the agate and glass, and helps prevent the thermal shock. Just a tip to the wise, to save some aggravation. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 19 22:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:38:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:42:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb19.154258.0> References: <<1998Feb14.112624.0>> Precedence: bulk It has long been my understanding that if you use whiting to clean and bring out the patina in lead cames, that the abraision of the metal by the whiting created a significant lead hazard as well, settling along with the whiting on all surfaces in the work area. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com > >> Question: when you are referring to "lead" safety factors....... >---------------------------------------------------------- >It really depends on your work. Fume is only created during >soldering, so >methods that use more solder generate more airborne lead fume which >can be >inhaled and which can settle on surfaces. Usually more soldering is >done in >the copper foil method. Good local ventilation to capture or exhaust >the >solder plume is needed to preclude exposure during the soldering or to >avoid >building up deposits of lead on surfaces. > > >Working with came exposes the worker by skin contact (some lead is >absorbed >by the skin) and by lead oxide dust on hand being transferred to food, > >cigarettes, etc. There is also a small amount of dust with comes off >of lead >metal when it is worked with--and the older and more oxidized it is >the more >dust it creates.* Really good hygiene and washing up can usually take >care >of most of this. > > >The greatest risk appears to be for people who restore old stained >glass. >Unzipping old windows throws lead dust around from corroded came, >putty, lead >paint from frames, etc. > > > >Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist >Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety >181 Thompson St., # 23 >New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 05:24:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:08:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 1st.net!glasqult From: Joni Tornwall To: dodgestudio@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.91746.0> References: <<1998Feb19.154258.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Gary! If you don't use whiting, then what do you use? I know one guy who used saw dust, but I don't create a lot of saw dust around here. Joni ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 07:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:17:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: NCScoutr@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:15:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb20.151535.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, the piece will be copper foiled. Is the steel ribbon strong enough to keep it from bowing? Other wise I planned on using a re-bar in the middle. Why would glass not add any strength? The window would be laying on top of it. There will be a light placed behind it. By the way, I goofed up. This is my first commisioned piece. I didn't know how to price. The 24 x 36 is a giraffe with 155 pieces. I'm also doing another window, design not yet determined, that will be 17 x 31. I'm doing both of these for $500. The customer is turning out to be very impatient. I just started last week. He asked yesterday when they would be ready. I told him at least 3 more weeks, just for the giraffe. I also work full time and have a husband and house to see to. I come home from work, cook supper, do dishes and a load of clothes. Then I work on glass till 11 or 12. This is killing me. How can I relate to him the amount of work involved in this? I'm starting to regret ever accepting this job. Any advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 08:10:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:20:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "Albert Lewis" , "[unknown]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Web site Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.45750.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >I'm looking forward to seeing them, too, Christie. Be sure to use the = caption form for each of them ... it's at = http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/captions.htm< Albert; Yes, I downloaded the form & have included one per slide, as per instructions. I mailed them to you in this morning's mail. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 08:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:23:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "[unknown]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Whoa boy!!! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.45757.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Susan: >Also, this is a 24 x 36 window that will be going over a bar, recessed into the ceiling. I plan on using a ru= n of re-bar. Looking through a catalog, I spotted this copper coated steel reinforcement strip that is soldered in between each piece. Would this be= better? I would really prefer a piece of glass be installed under the window, but I don't think this customer would go for it.< Recessed into the ceiling. Hmmm. As in a ceiling light? If so, then I would definately go with rebar and not just the copper coated steel reinforcement strip. I would think you need something external to the panel which can span the entire width of the panel and extend beyond into the wood. I do have some concerns as to safety on this panel. Will there be people walking under it? If so, then you MUST build it in the safest way possible. Consult with a building inspector as to the building codes for this sort of thing. Better to not get yourself in trouble because your construction doesn't meet building codes. Considering I've never done this sort of installation, these are just my thoughts. Perhaps pj friend can help out here, as her studio does architectural installations for a living. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 08:52:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:00:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: I figured out the Strike-Through in E-Mail Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:58:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb20.155834.0> Precedence: bulk this is from a tip on AOL on how to use strike through it seems when someone maybe does a snipe abbriviated with the <> and just an s in it us aol people get a strike through in our mail and maybe some other mail formats too In a message dated 98-02-20 05:58:00 EST, you write: > Unlike the other types of text formatting on AOL, to create strikethrough > text you have to manually enter an HTML command code. This sounds > suspiciously like work, but actually, the HTML command is pretty simple. A > basic HTML command consists of a letter or word enclosed in angle brackets: < > >. To create a strikethrough command you'd put the letter "S" in between the > brackets. To turn off the command you, would type "/S" between the brackets. > It's just that easy. > > AOL will interpret and execute the HTML command when an e-mail is sent, so you > won't see the strikethrough text -- only your recipient will. (This also > means I can't show you the real strike-through command here -- AOL will > execute the command and hide the code from you. But then, I'm telling you > about it. You can take it from here.) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 09:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: <199802201629.KAA25250@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk --> By the way, I goofed up. I didn't know >how to price. The 24 x 36 is a giraffe with 155 pieces. I'm also doing another >window, design not yet determined, that will be 17 x 31. I'm doing both of >these for $500. How >can I relate to him the amount of work involved in this? I'm starting to >regret ever accepting this job. Any advice? Yeah...tell him he misunderstood.The price is 500.00 EACH One of two things will happen: 1) He'll tell you to forget it and you'll be off the hook 2) you'll get a decent price for your work and he'll find some value in his wait 50 bucks a square foot is way cheap (in my opinion) even starting out Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 11:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Advice!!! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:51:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199802201851.NAB02172@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >regret ever accepting this job. Any advice? >Yeah...tell him he misunderstood.The price is 500.00 EACH >One of two things will happen: >1) He'll tell you to forget it and you'll be off the hook >2) you'll get a decent price for your work and he'll find some value in his >wait. 50 bucks a square foot is way cheap (in my opinion) even starting out >Len This commission was not started on terms that are reasonable for either party. It would be best if it was either properly set up or cancelled at this stage. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Sandblast it dammit!)26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 11:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:02:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:05:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.19548.0> Precedence: bulk At 10:15 20/02/98 EST, Susan wrote: >The customer is turning out to be very impatient. How can I relate to him >the amount of work involved in this? I'm starting to regret ever accepting >this job. Any advice? Have you explained just what is involved in making the panel to your customer? Why not invite him to drop in and watch you for an hour or so one evening? If you actually show him how long it takes physically to cut, grind and foil say 5 pieces of glass, he can work out how long it will have taken you to do the same for 155 pieces before you are even in the position to solder then clean and finish off just one panel. We have found in a similar case that involving the customers made them more appreciative of the amount of work we were undertaking for them and were less critical of the long time factor involved. Elizabeth & Sam Law Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 11:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:26:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Agates Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:21:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.92110.0> References: <<34ED13DA.C9D5D33E@home.com>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I use Agate's both in candle holders and boxes. Due to their thickness and structure, they do thermal shock and crack, more so than glass. By pulling a light with a 100 watt bulb down close to the work until it is too hot to touch, you can solder them without so much cracking. This heats both the agate and glass, and helps prevent the thermal shock. Just a tip to the wise, to save some aggravation. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 12:23:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:33:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: New stuff online Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:38:33 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk New information has been put up on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ under "Events." Click on "Biz Buzz" then on "Events" -- the following workshops begin under "March": Habatat Galleries' 26th Annual Invitational, see April 6 Work by Ritter and Powell at Habatat, see March 6 Even better news is that Connected Lines software -- the publisher of the new Windows95-compatible pattern-making software and patterns -- is the Guild's newest Supporting Supplier! Members of the Guild get a 10% discount on the software, so show them your membership card, get the discount ... and be sure to say "Thanks!" (There are now 57 companies who are Supporting Suppliers, offering discounts of up to fifty percent off to IGGA members.) Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 12:51:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: best camera for photographing glass Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:38:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb20.19384.0> Precedence: bulk Since bungi seemed a little slow, thought I would toss a question out there. Besides a Digital camera........has anyone found a great camera for taking pictures of stained glass? You know, a camera you have ,that just seems to work better than others for this purpose. And what about zoom lenses? Are they a plus for detail? ~Alison~ PS. If this has already been discussed here, somehow I missed it ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 12:56:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:53:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Re: Lead Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.95122.0> Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message from bungi.com Follows ------- From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:42:58 -0500 It has long been my understanding that if you use whiting to clean and bring out the patina in lead cames, that the abraision of the metal by the whiting created a significant lead hazard as well, settling along with the whiting on all surfaces in the work area. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Absolutely. Any cleaner rubbed on the lead that is a powder or dries to a powder will do this. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 13:23:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:42:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: commissions Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:43:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.44320.0> Precedence: bulk Do the commissions with a "good" attitude, and as promptly as possible. LEARN from it! Keep a time clock running to see how long it took. Make realistic promises for completion times. (always go longer). If you had priced the work a lot higher, do you feel you still would have got the windows? Go high when pricing ( I quote a ball park figure of $300 PER SQ/FT). This can be reduced if necessary, or the job is easier once you have gotten a look at it. If you took money up front, your budding reputation maybe at stake if you renege. Finally, do not give up your day job... enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 13:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Reinforcements Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:02:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb20.21231.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone....are there any guidelines on when you should use re-bar instead of the copper strips that fit in between foiled pieces or came pieces. Does the 'shape' of the object matter? Thanks. Margaret "Life only has 2 rules; Rule #1 - don't quit...Rule #2 - always refer to rule #1" -- Duke Ellington ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 14:04:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:17:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Goof up, Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.5051.0> Precedence: bulk Anonymous said By the way, I goofed up. I didn't know how to price. The 24 x 36 is a giraffe with 155 pieces. I'm also doing another window, design not yet determined, that will be 17 x 31. I'm doing both of these for $500. The customer is turning out to be very impatient. I just started last week. I'm starting to regret ever accepting this job. My reply Well, several others have already given you the word, you are giving them away! For my work I would not have charged less than $1,000 EACH. that does not include any extras like installation, special overhead preparations, design, delivery etc.. You don't do anyone a favour by charging so little. You will quickly get discouraged and he will not appreciate the value of the work. I realize you are just starting out, but and are not likely justified to charge as an established studio, but you don't want to end up paying someone to take your work!! In the fall there were some discussions re pricing and you would be well to check the archives. I will send you my system, but there are many ways to approach pricing. As far as his impatience, tell him to get over it or he will lose the deal of a life time. And tell him there will be an extra charge for the overhead or tell him to install and re-enforce it himself, if you do it and it fails he could sue!! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 14:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.75759.0> References: <<1998Feb20.151535.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Susan, I thought about your question on the strength of a single sheel of glass to hold up about 40-50 lbs of art glass, copper foiling, steel, and solder; and, I have a question for you: Have you ever tried to carry 6 square foot sheet of glass flat/horizontal? The strength of glass is when it is vertical/90 degrees to a flat surface. It becomes structurally weaker as a single piece if you lay it flat. Even if you used double-strength glass, for EXTREME liability reasons I wouldn't consider anything less than TEMPERED SAFETY glass as a protective sheet. If someone gets sliced to ribbons from that 6 s.f. sheet of float glass accidentally breaking, you could very well face a massive lawsuit since as a paid professional you are presenting yourself as knowledgeable in the installation of a piece like this; otherwise you wouldn't have accepted it. I'm NOT trying to offend you, or scare you to death, but in this day & age where everyone seems to be suing, (and WINNING!) for every little thing under the sun right down to the overly hot coffee served at McDonald's, it pays to go an extra INTH to protect yourself and your family from being taken to the proverbial 'cleaners' just over installing a little stained glass in someone's home. I don't install mine unless I KNOW exactly how to safely & professionally install it- otherwise I hire my husband's building company or a local cabinet shop to consult & sometimes to even install it for me. That way the liability is on THEM, not on me (or my family since I am a sole proprietorship.) As for your doubts about pricing, Art Glass World gives the following specifications on their Web site: $1.25 - $1.50 USD per piece depending upon the difficulty of the cuts/size of the pieces PLUS $50-$70 USD per square foot depending upon the type/expense for the glass being used So a simple all straight-cut, 12" square, 10-piece panel made of something like Spectrum cathedral or plain glue-chip would be priced very simply at $62.50 USD retail (no tax added yet) $1.25 $50.00 X10 pcs X 1 sf ----- ------ 12.50 + 50.00 = $62.50 Alternately, the same panel using all tightly curved cuts, 20 pcs., and Lambert's reproduction glass would run about $100.00 instead - $1.50 $70.00 X20 X 1 ----- ------ 30.00 + 70.00 = $100.00 This runs pretty close to the national average for pricing from what I have heard, but you have to also take into account your rural/metropolitan area, per capita income, marketability. etc. It's juast about what is charged for quality work in my area too. Hope this helps you out some, and please don't think that I'm getting on you or anything-I just want to see my fellow glassaholics do well and succeed! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, the piece will be copper foiled. Is the steel ribbon strong enough to > keep it from bowing? Other wise I planned on using a re-bar in the middle. Why > would glass not add any strength? The window would be laying on top of it. > There will be a light placed behind it. > By the way, I goofed up. This is my first commisioned piece. I didn't know > how to price. The 24 x 36 is a giraffe with 155 pieces. I'm also doing another > window, design not yet determined, that will be 17 x 31. I'm doing both of > these for $500. The customer is turning out to be very impatient. I just > started last week. He asked yesterday when they would be ready. I told him at > least 3 more weeks, just for the giraffe. I also work full time and have a > husband and house to see to. I come home from work, cook supper, do dishes and > a load of clothes. Then I work on glass till 11 or 12. This is killing me. How > can I relate to him the amount of work involved in this? I'm starting to > regret ever accepting this job. Any advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 15:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: ItsAlison@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.12371.0> References: <<1998Feb20.19384.0>> Precedence: bulk ItsAlison@aol.com wrote: > > Since bungi seemed a little slow, thought I would toss a question out there. > Besides a Digital camera........has anyone found a great camera for taking > pictures of stained glass? You know, a camera you have ,that just seems to > work better than others for this purpose. And what about zoom lenses? Are > they a plus for detail? ~Alison~ > > PS. If this has already been discussed here, somehow I missed it > ---- i have a IQ Zoom 160 from pentax, it so far is the best camera i've ever used. it's fully automatic, has a 160mm zoom on it, and inifinte macro. and the way the flash is designed, i get no glare on the glass at all... which really suprised me, usually i'll get a small hot spot. but when i was on vacation, i took some pictures of some clocks in glass cabinets. i took them at angles, overhead and straight on, and everyone came out clear with no glare at all. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 15:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:40:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:39:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.103947.0> Precedence: bulk I never had any luck using cameras..Pictures either came out to dark or with to much glare...Now I use my camcorder and Snappy video digitizer.... If I want a picture of installed work I take my notebook computer,camcorder and snappy to the site as you get a better pic with a direct feed versus off of tape.. Byron... -----Original Message----- From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 6:56 AM Subject: best camera for photographing glass >Since bungi seemed a little slow, thought I would toss a question out there. >Besides a Digital camera........has anyone found a great camera for taking >pictures of stained glass? You know, a camera you have ,that just seems to >work better than others for this purpose. And what about zoom lenses? Are >they a plus for detail? ~Alison~ > >PS. If this has already been discussed here, somehow I missed it ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 16:01:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:25:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:22:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.132236.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com, INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com DATE: 2/20/98 12:10 PM RE: Copy of: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel First of all, you're charging about half = what you should be charging. Think $100 square foot or $4/pc. minimum. If it's an original design or with lots of pieces, curvy cuts, glass painting, etc., the price goes up. Also, consider as objectively as you can, your own abilities. If your craftsmanship is crisp, price accordingly. I can't remember the last time our delivery time was less than six weeks. You might sweetly suggest to your customer that because you're working out of your home and just = starting out, that your prices are half and your = delivery time about the same as a pro shop. If worse comes to worse, you can always offer to refund his deposit, too. No point in letting the pressure kill you. Commissions are great, but you have to be able to enjoy the process or you do no one a good service. Good luck. P.S. Great responses from Bob, Glenn, and Valerie on pricing. But, keep in mind that you'll probably charge less than someone with years of experience... also the price will be lower if the design is not original. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 17:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:36:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:30:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.93025.0> References: <<1998Feb20.12371.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk So Mike is that a slide camera, or does it only depend on the type of film you use? > > i have a IQ Zoom 160 from pentax, it so far is the best camera i've ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 18:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:09:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb20.16741.0> References: <<1998Feb20.93025.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > So Mike is that a slide camera, or does it only depend on the type of > film you use? > > > > i have a IQ Zoom 160 from pentax, it so far is the best camera i've > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use print film in it, i suppose you can put slide film in it... the lit pictures of my lamp were done with that camera.. maybe not the finest example. the pictures there had no flash, long exposure, on a tripod, using 100 film. it probably would have come out better with 400 or higher, but the camera adjusted it self pretty well. if your looking for a new camera, this one is really cool. there's a few small complaints like, it's hard to get a good grip on it, the lcd view finder is hard to look through inside, and the lense extends around 4-5" long, which can knock into things. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 20 21:51:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:23:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Llasso From: Llasso@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass/Sea Shell Lamp Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:21:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb21.52121.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm searching the internet trying to find examples of lamps done with sea shells AND stained glass. I saw one in a store in Atlanta and it was absolutely beautiful. Any idea where I can view these online? Your help is appreciated. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 07:54:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:22:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: NCScoutr@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:21:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb21.152144.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks so much for your reply. I appreciate your being up front with me. Today I am going to a glass studio to buy more supplies. This place has been in business for 40 years. I will show him my pattern, etc. and ask his opinion. I had already told this guy I would do it. In fact, I have about 75 pieces cut for it. BUT, I would eat all that ( save the window for myself, maybe I could learn to like giraffes), and tell him I can't after all. I know this would make me look bad for accepting it in the first place, but better safe than sorry, eh? Thanks again, Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 10:25:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lamp repair Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980221130853.00709a00@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk We have a customer who has an antique lamp shade, one piece white with floral decorations on it. She is trying to locate someone to repair it....... Any one have any ideas. It looks like it was probably blown. Thanks. Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" 17 Main Street Reisterstown, MD 21136 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 10:56:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:34:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Build Your Own Stress-a-meter Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980221102853.28979472@oregontrail.net> Precedence: bulk Are you using different glasses to fuse or blow and need to test them for compatibility. Here's how I built a visual stress meter. To start with, you need to order some polorized plastic film from American Science and Surplus (it's $7.50 a ft.). They have a web page at www.sciplus.com I got stock number 20395 which is grey polorized film 13" wide. One foot is enough for a small one - I got two feet. Just lay one piece on a light table, put on the test strip of fused glass, turn on the light, hold the other sheet over it and turn 90 degrees and the stress shines out nice and bright. The plastic is cutable with scissors if you want to stick it in the front of a large flashlight like some of the commercial ones are. Hope this helps someone. Doug Terry P.S. I have no connection with American surplus. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 11:25:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:58:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Whoa boy!!! Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802211856.NAA29325@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by Susan: >>Also, this is a 24 x 36 window that >will be going over a bar, recessed into the ceiling. I plan on using a ru= >n >of >re-bar. Looking through a catalog, I spotted this copper coated steel >reinforcement strip that is soldered in between each piece. Would this be= > >better? I would really prefer a piece of glass be installed under the >window, >but I don't think this customer would go for it.< Susan. 24x36 is not that large..........I need to know more about the installation before I can direct you anywhere. What exactly is this panel going into? Recessed into what...... a big hole in the ceiling a lighting fixture or what? If you still need help let me know. Sorry it took so long to reply....I saw Christie mention my name........ and I would love to help but telling me that you are going to recess this panel into the ceiling means nothing to me. While on the subject I find that some of the questions people pop out there aren't just enough details to really give a truly correct answer. For example I see that someone has a lamp repair. Be nice to know what is wrong with the lamp that needs to be repaired. I could give you a million scenerios and if this lamp can be repaired.. Just my opinion. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 11:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:06:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Goof up, Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802211905.OAA29668@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk > Anonymous said > By the way, I goofed up. I didn't know how to price. The 24 x 36 is a >giraffe with 155 pieces. I'm also doing another window, design not yet >determined, that will be 17 x 31. I'm doing both of these for $500. The >customer is turning out to be very impatient. I just started last week. I'm >starting to regret ever accepting this job. > Opps! Worst thing that can happen when doing a job???? Regret. Try to remember this is all a learning process and whatever happens is a lesson. The next commission you will be that far ahead knowing what you now know. I also am interested as to how you can charge for a window that hasn't yet been designed? I think you need to sit down and write yourself some guideline!!!! Impatient clients are part of the business. If you don't learn to handle them now you are in for alot more than regret. my best, pj (who would gladly trade impatient clients) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 13:34:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerSutdios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Impatient clients Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb21.105649.0> Precedence: bulk Hi pj- And then there are impatient clients like me who is wondering what = happened to the bevels she ordered from fellow bungians three weeks ago! Of course, I'm just impatient because MY clients are breathing down my neck, too, and I can't give them any time frame because my bevelers won't return my calls! So here's a tip from an old hand who's pretty good in the customer service department. = Stay in regular touch with your clients, be up-front with them, and they'll likely be a little less impatient. They might even act downright understanding. It's being left in the dark that's the pits! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 17:53:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:17:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Fwd: Re: Goof up, Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 20:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <199802220116.UAA16186@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk pj wrote: >Worst thing that can happen when doing a job???? Regret. Try to remember this is all a learning process and whatever happens is a lesson. The next commission you will be that far ahead knowing what you now know. I also am interested as to how you can charge for a window that hasn't yet been designed? I think you need to sit down and write yourself some guideline!!!! Impatient clients are part of the business. If you don't learn to handle them now you are in for alot more than regret. my best, pj (who would gladly trade impatient clients) Suzanne comments: pj, really good answer! I think we all went through one variation or another of this, either the impatient client or the cheap one (or both rolled into one). One question: What would you trade some impatient clients for??? I have a couple, what will you give me? (s) Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 18:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:19:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:19:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb22.1198.0> Precedence: bulk P.J. okay, this window will be installed in a 1/2 wall (ceiling) over a bar. It is really hard to explain. It is a wood structure that is about 5 ft by 10 ft. They have a carpenter that will be installing the window. This will entail cutting through, inserting panel and trimming it out. I believe they will be putting some sort of light behind it. If it helps, the pattern is from Valee studios. It is a giraffe head and leaves. I talked to a guy today that showed me where to reinforce. I have never had to do this before, so I guess I'll just take one step at a time. If I feel too intimadated by it, I'll get a pro to reinforce it for me. He suggested rebar, but it would run along behind some of the branches in the pattern. I will have to intersect some of it. He also said that I might put a piece of tempered safety glass over it to be extra safe. Hope this is enough info for you. I'm sure the bungi's are tired of reading about this dang window and my insecurities. But to all of you, I appreciate it more than you'll ever know!!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 19:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 6.0s.f. flat horizontal over bar panel Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:02:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb22.3245.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-21 21:11:39 EST, you write: << . I'm sure the bungi's are tired of reading about this dang window and my insecurities. But to all of you, I appreciate it more than you'll ever know!!! >> I personally am far from being tired of all of the posts about this subject. I have never done a custom order like this and I'm learning alot. I have also learned from past mistakes and have learned to do some of the things that are being discussed, but certainly learning more. Please keep me, if not all bungians, informed of this job. I too learned the hard way about pricing my work and unfortuately I still am not charging what I should be probably.....but getting closer by the order :)). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 19:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:37:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Johnny West's oak frames Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:35:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb21.173551.0> References: <<199802211856.NAA29325@water.waterw.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi friends! Here's an unsolicited testimonial for those oak frames that Johnny West is making as an altnernative to the very expensive frames. We ordered two of them recently, a 12 x 16 oval and 24 circle. Both are gorgeous and very reasonbly priced. Patty once earned her living as a framer. She says to tell everyone how impressive Johnny's work is. Nice work, Johnny! Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 21 20:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Overhead SG window Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:01:10, -0500 Message-ID: <199802220401.XAA09408@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk I talked to a guy today that showed me where to reinforce. I have never had to do this before, so I guess I'll just take one step at a time. If I feel too intimadated by it, I'll get a pro to reinforce it for me. He suggested rebar, but it would run along behind some of the branches in the pattern. I will have to intersect some of it. He also said that I might put a piece of tempered safety glass over it to be extra safe. Well, I think you should do some bracing. Instead of unsightly rebar you might try two evenly spaced pieces of plexy glass, say about 1/4" X 2" X 26" that are placed on edge and wired to the backside of the window. A couple of say 12 gauge wires soldered to the SG for each piece of plexy should be plenty and not be very observable. If he said *tempered safety glass* then forget his advice. Safety glass two sheets of ordinary glass with a plastic sheet in the middle like your car windshield. Tempered glass is one piece of glass that has been tempered to prevent breaking into dangerous pieces. I suppose one could order tempered safety glass and pay perhaps $250.00 for it. If you want something to go in front of the SG for safety I recommend the non yellowing clear plastic product used in many schools and high risk of breakage areas. I think it is called Lexon. A conventional glass company should have this product in stock. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Sandblast it dammit!) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 15:28:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:16:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Johnny West's oak frames Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:15:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Feb22.131521.0> References: <<199802221541_MC2-3442-2F6F@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Michael J. Greer wrote: > Thanks for the testimonial, Mary. > Could you post information on > how to reach Johnny for the new- > comers and those of us who will see > Armageddon before they see the > bungi archives! ;-D > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > Here you go! Our generous and talented fellow bunginian, Johnny West, may be reached by email: johnnyc@mercury.net. m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 15:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:11:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyageur.ca!ace From: ace To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: patina residue Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:12:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.111225.0> Precedence: bulk Please Help, Looking for a solution to remove black-brown residue from under the fracture , glass by Bullseye. Panel 14 x 42" with flowers made from Bullseye fracture . Now have this discoloration under the pink and white glass. Any suggestions short of removing all the Bullseye. Panel was to be installed first week of March. Thanks in advance Cames ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 16:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:05:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: YWAH36A@prodigy.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Overhead SG window Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:04:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.0447.0> Precedence: bulk I don't understand about the plexi glass, wire thing. How do you keep it on edge? Are the wires wrapped around it, or what? Interesting, please tell me more. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 17:31:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: ace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patina residue Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.15210.0> References: <<1998Feb22.111225.0>> Precedence: bulk ace wrote: > > Please Help, Looking for a solution to remove black-brown residue from > under the fracture , glass by Bullseye. Panel 14 x 42" with flowers > made from Bullseye fracture . Now have this discoloration under the > pink and white glass. Any suggestions short of removing all the > Bullseye. Panel was to be installed first week of March. > Thanks in advance > Cames > > ---- it sounds like the polish residue and not the patina. i would try denatured alcohol, and a fine scrub brush. a tooth brush should work pretty well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 19:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:15:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Overhead SG window Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.17143.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: BOB DUCHESNEAU, INTERNET:YWAH36A@prodigy.com DATE: 2/22/98 1:22 PM RE: Copy of: Overhead SG window We just installed two large stained = glass skylights with protective = laminated safety glass over the stained glass. We avoid using Lexan whenever possible even for outdoor protective glazing = because its very expensive and deteriorates horribly over time - beyond five years or so, it scratches and yellows - ugh! Not worth the money IMPO. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 20:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:03:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: More safety news Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.18117.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All- Monona Rossol has been kind enough to snail mail some more lead information to me - not only did I learn some more about lead poisoning, but I also found out that there is a publication called ACTS (Arts, Crafts, and Theater Safety) Facts that she publishes, as well as a book entitled "The Artist's Complete Health and Safety Guide". The newsletter is $15 US for 12 issues/year and the book $19.95 plus 3.00 postage. Call Monona if your interested at 1-800-491-2808. Also, I notice that Common Ground:Glass lists another book by Monona entitled "Professional Stained Glass Safety Training Manual" for $65- that's available through the Guild Library. Well, heck, if they can't toot their own horns I'll do it for 'em! Geez. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 20:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:38:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!NCScoutr From: NCScoutr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: patina residue Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:36:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.43614.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-22 22:52:07 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: patina residue Date: 98-02-22 22:52:07 EST From: ncscoutr@aol.com (NCScouter) Reply-to: ncscoutr@aol.com To: ace@voyageur.ca (ace) I had a very similar problem with a small bubble-opening in a piece of wispy white Wissmach once that was a result of the junk from the black patina that I had used on the soldering. I was able to use a little 'Pearl Drops' tooth polish and an OLD (not for living creature use) toothbrush to get it back out to the point where it was no longer noticeable. Of course I also had to re-do a small portion of the patina over again as well, but I was EXTREMELY careful, I placed a little masking tape back over the open bubble! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. (PS - I went back and read the title in your original message AFTER I realized that I had just posted a reply which accidentally got sent only to you... Uh, DUHHH!) "If a cluttered desk is a clear characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an empty desk mean??" > ---- ace wrote: > > Please Help, Looking for a solution to remove black-brown residue from > under the fracture , glass by Bullseye. Now have this discoloration under the > pink and white glass. Any suggestions short of removing all the > Bullseye. > Cames > >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 22:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:57:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: patina residue Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:55:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.55554.0> Precedence: bulk How about trying a product called "goop -off"? You can get it at wal-marts. Probably back in the paint dept. Takes out stains really well on other surfaces. I would try a patch test first. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 23:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.175752.0> References: <<1998Feb19.154258.0>>> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:17:46 +0000 Joni Tornwall writes: >Hi, Gary! If you don't use whiting, then what do you use? I know one >guy who used saw dust, but I don't create a lot of saw dust around >here. Joni Hi Joni, Actually I do use whiting. I just accept that it will spread some lead around and do my best to clean up and not take too much home with me. I too know folks who use saw dust, but have never tried it myself. I suppose the lumber yard would be only too happy to donate some though. Maybe I'll give it a try already. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 23:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:35:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: brown residue Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.173159.0> Precedence: bulk Whether the residue you are experiencing is patina stains or whatever, we have found that a product called "The Stain Remover That Really Works" will probably deal with it. We have removed things with it that were really surprising including rust stains from a cotton shirt that had been there for years and stones from the original manufacture of a sheet of glass! (We also removed a patch of the carpeting on our glass cutting table..........whoops ;-) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 22 23:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:37:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:05:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.18522.0> References: <<1998Feb20.19384.0>> Precedence: bulk Alison, I would recommend a camera that allows you to set your aperatures and shutter speeds manually so that you can "bracket" exposures. I would also look for a "long" lens, in the 100mm range so that you get a flat perspective and, by virtue of standing further from the panel to photograph it using the longer lens, it will have more even illumination. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com >Besides a Digital camera........has anyone found a great camera for >taking >pictures of stained glass? You know, a camera you have ,that just >seems to >work better than others for this purpose. And what about zoom lenses? >Are >they a plus for detail? ~Alison~ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 03:01:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:49:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bevel clusters Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:27:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199802230827.IAA00393@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I have recently landed a small contract to supply leaded glass panels for sealed unit double glazing units. (O.K., it's a lousy job - but somebody has to do it) Most of the panels are in variations of textured clear glass with bevel clusters and I am having difficulties in finding decent bevel clusters. Most of my regular suppliers have the same makes and these seem to be made to use with the stick-on tape (yechh!!!) and the glass is quite thin, particularly at the edge. I have also been told that they are cast and not ground, this seems plausible as they appear to lack a certain something in the glittery rainbowey department. Can anybody reccomend high quality bevel clusters, prefferably available in the U.K. as the 10 to 14 days delivery from the U.S. is longer than my turn around time. Thanks for any help you can give, Mike Simpson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 03:29:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:03:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: best camera for photographing glass Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:54:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb22.185447.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: dodgestudio@juno.com [SMTP:dodgestudio@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 1998 8:05 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Gary wrote Alison, I would recommend a camera that allows you to set your aperatures and shutter speeds manually so that you can "bracket" exposures. I would also look for a "long" lens, in the 100mm range so that you get a flat perspective and, by virtue of standing further from the panel to photograph it using the longer lens, it will have more even illumination. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com Gary the statement "it will have more even illumination." can be misleading as the telephoto lens (from my understanding) has a higher aperature setting which is a reciprocal and therefore lets in less light. Of course when trying to get more light to the film you will have to use a slower speed and therefore a tripod and maybe a remote release to steady the camera. The telephoto does reduce the "fisheye" distortion and it is important that the camera is perpendicular to the centre of the window to avoid "keyhole" distortion. (I'm still trying to understand flat perspective, isn't that a contradiction? or a paradox? or something equally perplexing?{;-)> ) Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 08:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: brown residue Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:39:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.153932.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-23 02:30:14 EST, you write: Gary wrote: << Whether the residue you are experiencing is patina stains or whatever, we have found that a product called "The Stain Remover That Really Works" >> Where can this product be found? Paint store? Thanks Margaret "Life only has 2 rules; Rule #1 - don't quit...Rule #2 - always refer to rule #1" -- Duke Ellington ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 08:25:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:46:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bevel clusters Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:44:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.154456.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-23 06:01:42 EST, you write: Mike Simpson wrote: << To supply leaded glass panels for sealed unit double glazing units. >> Could you pls. explain what this is for the newbies that lurk at bungi? Thanks Margaret "Life only has 2 rules; Rule #1 - don't quit...Rule #2 - always refer to rule #1" -- Duke Ellington ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 09:02:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:31:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Correspondence Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:31:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.03147.0> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk Is there anyone out there who wants to just chat about glass and life in general? I'm mid 40s, a part-time glass artisan and a part-time (sometimes full time) accountant from British Columbia, Canada. Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 09:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: cameras Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.03048.0> Precedence: bulk I have had reasonable success with a video camera, a tripod and holding the image for about 1 minute without panning or moving the camera. (I, being my son) A snappy to capture the image and put it into the computer (or so my son says). I have the snappy here and if and when I get time I will try it on a few different items. My computer and technology skills are sorely lacking expertise. Glass does not intimidate me, computers, however! Also for lamps a tungsten balanced film and a tripod and a fairly slow shutter did get me fairly good results with a Canon 35mm AE1. Long lens and a macro was able to get nice close-ups. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 09:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:23:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.det-freepress.com!newman From: "Heather Newman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Outside windows and a door question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:23:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.122310.0> Organization: Detroit Free Press Precedence: bulk I'm a glass hobbyist of growing skill (I think), and I'd like to do a couple of major pieces for my 1936 house. One is the panes for a stairway window that I desperately need obscured (no way to wander to the bathroom without being fully clothed); the other is a door to a sunroom on the edge of the house, for the same reason. In the case of the window, I'd like to just replace the clear glass panes that are already there (8x12 or so). Can I get away with just installing a permanent storm window on the exterior to protect the glass? Do I need to do anything on the interior? In the case of the door, I haven't decided whether it would be best to have the lights separated by lead or by wood (which I'd have assembled after the panels were crafted). Other French leaded glass doors in my home just have the lead separating the panels, reinforced by what look like steel strips (thin, perpendicular to the door) here and there. Is this still acceptable for modern construction, or should I go for the safer wood option? It's an interior door that will never be subject to the elements or wind (other than from use). Thanks in advance for your help, everybody. I've enjoyed lurking on the list so far. Heather ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 10:48:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:59:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: best camera for photographing glass Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:58:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199802231758.JAA09562@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk I think that beyond having a camera that you can set the aperature (or f stops) and shutter speed manually it's the operator knowledge that's most important. I posted a fairly detailed article on bungi re: bracketing, etc. a while ago and would like to share this additional piece of info with the group. I've been working some more with my photofinisher re: finetuning my photographic skills some more, and he's now introducing me to the fine art of flash lighting using flashes placed at an angle to the glass. It's made a quantum leap in my photography. Basically you need a flash attached to the camera's hot shoe by a cord (probably 10 ft). Find a location that is 4 feet to the left or right of the camera and also 4 feet away from the plane of the glass. That's where you want the flash to be...you will need either a second tripod or a helper to hold the flash in this position...either that or a long remote trip for the camera. Without a diagram this is hard to explain, but basically you're looking for the flash to be at a 45 degree angle to the plane of the glass so the flash bounceback isn't recorded by the camera. I've found that this really improves the colour saturation in my photos on the long grey days we have here in winter. I'm thinking maybe an article for Common Ground on this topic might be a good idea...what think you Albert??? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 11:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:02:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Correspondence Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Is there anyone out there who wants to just chat about glass and life > in general? I'm mid 40s, a part-time glass artisan and a part-time > (sometimes full time) accountant from British Columbia, Canada. Shiela, I think you'll find that people on bungi.com want to talk about glass, but not about life in general. I notice your ISP's called "sympatico" ... I'd say then that Canadians are more "sympatico" than most Americans, if that's any kind of indicator. Well, it isn't of course, but you'll find it to be the case here, for the most part, I'm sad to say. (This has been posted as a personal comment from the undersigned and not in connection with any responsibilities or assignments he may have with one arts organization or another.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 12:13:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cameras Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Also for lamps a tungsten balanced film and a tripod and a fairly slow > shutter did get me fairly good results with a Canon 35mm AE1. Long lens and > a macro was able to get nice close-ups. Yes, the AE1 is my favorite, too. The light meter's dead on in my experience. My suggestions? Here they are: 1. Use the slowest film you can find, ASA 25 if you can turn it up. The slower the film, the finer the "grain" in the image. 2. Slow film means you need a tripod. Definitely. Use one. 3. Bracket, bracket, bracket .. yes. But I think you'll find that the underexposed image is the "richest." 4. Tungsten film is only necessary if you're using tungsten lighting. I always use daylight corrected film and no fills. If I'm forced to use fills, they are tungsten, of course, which forces me in that case to use tungsten-corrected film. 5. Shoot slides. You can always get prints from them, but not the other 'way round without sacrificing quality. My 2c worth, Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 12:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:30:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Outside windows and a door question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > In the case of the window, I'd like to just replace the clear glass > panes that are already there (8x12 or so). Can I get away with just > installing a permanent storm window on the exterior to protect the > glass? Do I need to do anything on the interior? Stained glass exteriors prefer *not being covered with protective glazing. Unless you have a problem with vandalism, the windows are better off not being covered at all. See J.L.Sloan's "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" http://www.aiap.com/ The interior's only a problem if you or your kids tend to ride hobbyhorses made with broomsticks past the panels, cutting a tight corner and whipping the end of the broomstick into the glass. Otherwise, if it's not a functioning door or a window vent, there shouldn't be a problem. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 12:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: best camera for photographing glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:40:46 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > a quantum leap in my photography. Basically you need a flash attached to > the camera's hot shoe by a cord (probably 10 ft). Find a location that is 4 > feet to the left or right of the camera and also 4 feet away from the plane > of the glass. That's where you want the flash to be... But don't you lose the quality of the transmitted light? To my mind, that's what art glass is all about: the quality of the light coming *through the glass. If you're using a flash or front lighting of any kind, you're getting an image of the surface facing the camera, rather than the intended manipulation of the light coming through the glass and the pattern in which it has been cut. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 13:15:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:54:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Query for gift box company Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:39:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.33945.0> References: <<34F1CDF5.38B7@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I just received a post asking me to share the responses I got on this topic. So I thought if one Bungian was interested, there may be more of you. So here are the replies I got. > Shirley, > I get a catolog every month or so ( I just toss it) but it has bags and > boxes > at good prices and different shapes and colors too. I looked to see if > I > still had one but don't so next time I get one I'll send you the 800 # > for it > deb > Hi Shirley, > > I have found that one of the most reasonable and presentable > mass-produced > boxes for relatively flat items are the ones made to hold small pizzas. > I > have to buy 100 at a time, and fold them myself but they are nice hard > white cardboard, come in various square sizes about one or two inches > deep. > I use a coloured tissue paper inside and it looks very nice. These would > work for your butterfly ladies, but maybe not for some of your other > cast > bodies. > > PS. if you can find them, large plain cardboard pizza boxes are perfect > carry-home containers for stepping stones, too! > > I get mine at a commercial packaging company that sells all kinds of > supplies to bakery/restaurant businesses. Good luck! > > Sarah > > Hi Shirley, > > I collect boxes, rather than purchase them. After all, as a small > business > owner, anywhere I can cut costs without sacrificing quality of my > artwork is > fair game. Good sources for small boxes are stationery stores, > doctor/dental offices or anyone else who sells/uses small items in > quantity. > They're often corrugated which is much stronger than the flimsy gift > boxes > you can buy. Particularly I would think this would be important for > angels > that are just pulled out for a couple of weeks a year at Christmas and > then > stored the rest of the year. My mom's contribution to my business is as > chief procurer of used packing peanuts and bubble wrap. Apart from > packing > tape, I've never purchased a wrapping item in the last 3 years. I do > give > small suncatchers to key personnel in shipping departments a couple of > times > a year. > > My customers are happy to get a wad of bubble wrap around a 3D object > for > protection, so boxes don't seem to have been an issue for me. Also save > the > corrugated boxes that bevels for panels come in...they're useful too. > > For larger panels, build a plywood crate and pack pieces vertically, > separated by sheets of cardboard or bubble wrap. That way, if you're > going > to shows you have only one large item to load in your truck instead of > several small ones...make sure you take some cardboard sheets to use as > sleeves for those panels you sell, though. I've found it easier to pack > these sleeves flat separately from the glass, to be pulled out of > storage as > required. > > When I was still doing large suncatchers/small panels I used pizza boxes > for > customers to transport them home in. (For this, you need to make > friends > with your pizza delivery person or have a friend whose son manages a > pizza > joint). > > Sheets of cardboard can be obtained at appliance stores, large computer > boxes make good shipping containers for lampshades (leaves room to > double > box the lamp between layers of packing peanuts), and I also utilize the > cardboard sheets that are placed on pallets before sacks of dog food are > loaded on. Finally...some extra benefit from those high dog food bills. > :-) > > Cheers > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > You might try these guys: > E.A. Dages, Inc. > 975 Bethlehem Pike > Montgomeryville, PA 18936 > (215) 699-3501 fax 215-699-3503 > They manufacture paper, packaging (including gift boxes), > and custom printing. Their 2 piece lock corner white gift > boxes are available from sizes 4 1/2" x 4 1/2" x 2 1/2" up > to 24 x 14 x 4. Maybe the 9 x 9 x 3 or 9 x 9 x 7 would do > for your finished products. They also do bubble wrap. > > Christie A. Wood > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 13:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:02:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: comm1.state.ia.us!Jolene.Eriksen From: Jolene Eriksen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Correspondence Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:59:54 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980223135954.00695534@max.state.ia.us> References: <> Precedence: bulk First time to add a comment to this list and I'll probably be sorry I did, but I must say something here. I appreciate that someone out there is willing to talk about glass AND life in general. I don't believe the intent was to chat here about "life in general" but to find someone willing to e-mail back and forth. I for one am willing to do just that. Attitude back in check Jolene >I think you'll find that people on bungi.com want to talk about >glass, but not about life in general. I notice your ISP's >called "sympatico" ... I'd say then that Canadians are more >"sympatico" than most Americans, if that's any kind of indicator. > >Well, it isn't of course, but you'll find it to be the case here, for >the most part, I'm sad to say. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 13:41:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:43:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Not quite sure... Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 14:34:29 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.223429.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, This has nothing to do with glass, but kinda' does. I was emailing privately with Mary Austin, until my computer crashed, and I lost EVERYTHING. I am wondering if Mary could email me, so I could get her address again! Thanks! Laurean Eph 4:32 P.S. How about some adresses for favorite web sites? If any of you would feel inclined to send some? Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 14:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:24:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (glass@bungi.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: best camera for photographing glass Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:22:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.202240.0> Precedence: bulk < ) Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada>> Yikes! Go easy Glenn........I'm trying to understand what you just said, but this gurl is used to "point and shoot cameras". Can you put that in some language that a photographically challenged female like me can understand??? I know that an object in the window always looks brighter from across the room, thats why i was thinking about a zoom lens......but perpendicular fisheyes are beyond my comfort level, LOL Can you tell it to me in language a 10 yr old would understand? I really need some good pictures of my glass! Thanks. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 14:21:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Johnny West and frames Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 15:24:06 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.23246.0> Precedence: bulk John has done several frames for us and I can tell you from our experience that he does excellent work and his honesty and reasonable prices are as good as his work, and for those of you out there to far away I can tell you he does all of this with a smile. Judy Campbell Campell's Art Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 14:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:29:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Overhead SG window/comment on comment Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:28:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802232028.PAA14974@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk ah???/ I don't want to get flamed here but.................these suggestions need to be commented on. Why in the world would you strap two pieces of plexi to a panel for support??? I think whereever you learned this technique should be sighted for lack of professionalism. Rebars are made for a reason......please use them. There is a rebar bending machine that will make things alot easier. As for tempered safety glass....I don't think safety glass can be tempered and a piece of safety glass the size needed for this installation should cost no more than 15.00. Approx. $2..50 a square foot. And as far as lexon goes......................nothing but a nightmare all it does is give you unsightly scratches even when you wipe it with a diaper. Bob wrote, >Well, I think you should do some bracing. Instead of unsightly rebar >you might try two evenly spaced pieces of plexy glass, say about 1/4" >X 2" X 26" that are placed on edge and wired to the backside of the >window. A couple of say 12 gauge wires soldered to the SG for each >piece of plexy should be plenty and not be very observable. > >If he said *tempered safety glass* then forget his advice. Safety >glass two sheets of ordinary glass with a plastic sheet in the middle >like your car windshield. Tempered glass is one piece of glass that >has been tempered to prevent breaking into dangerous pieces. I >suppose one could order tempered safety glass and pay perhaps $250.00 >for it. > >If you want something to go in front of the SG for safety I recommend >the non yellowing clear plastic product used in many schools and high >risk of breakage areas. I think it is called Lexon. A conventional >glass company should have this product in stock. Bob > >____ >Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Sandblast it dammit!) >26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA >Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 14:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: best camera for photographing glass Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:30:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802232030.PAA15095@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Carol wrote, >I'm thinking maybe an article for Common Ground on this topic might be a >good idea...what think you Albert??? > Maybe we could get Steve Meltzer the camera guru to write us a really nice article. Like he does for the Crafts Report. Hey Albert.............are you listening??? Want me to make a phone call????? my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 15:10:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:03:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Correspondence Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:57:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.205750.0> Precedence: bulk << think you'll find that people on bungi.com want to talk about glass, but not about life in general. I notice your ISP's called "sympatico" ... I'd say then that Canadians are more "sympatico" than most Americans, if that's any kind of indicator. Well, it isn't of course, but you'll find it to be the case here, for the most part, I'm sad to say. (This has been posted as a personal comment from the undersigned and not in connection with any responsibilities or assignments he may have with one arts organization or another.) Albert>> Yep.........for some reason anything other than glass talk gets a lot of people on this list in a snit. They didnt even like the thread about purchasing supplies wholesale..just wanted to get back to "real glass talk" One gal even said she wanted to just stop this talk right now, and get back to hearing all the glass tips . Geeze! A little civility and small talk never hurt anyone! Just my opinion though.....But I also have noticed that if glass people are in your same locality they can be unfriendly and downright hostile at times.....it was a real surprise to me at first, but I have gotten used to it. At least here on Bungi there is a shareing of info. that is very nice.......as long as the topic remains on glass tips! LOL ~Alison~ PS. Albert, your message came through with a line running through it..but it didnt copy and paste to my reply with the line through the sentences..........go figure! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 15:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:33:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Laurean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Not quite sure... Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.123036.0> References: <<1998Feb23.223429.0>> Precedence: bulk Laurean wrote: > > Hi, > This has nothing to do with glass, but kinda' does. > I was emailing privately with Mary Austin, until my > computer crashed, and I lost EVERYTHING. I > am wondering if Mary could email me, so I could > get her address again! Thanks! > > Laurean > Eph 4:32 > > P.S. > How about some adresses for favorite web sites? If > any of you would feel inclined to send some? Thanks! > > ---- well, you can go to my page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 then go to the links page, and most should be there. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 16:26:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:24:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:23:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb23.232357.0> Precedence: bulk I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun intended). Thanks Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 17:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:34:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.03441.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-23 19:27:20 EST, you write: << I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun intended). Thanks Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- >> On occasion, I've wrapped my fingertips in masking tape, then got it wet and let it dry on my hands. Makes it more flexible and comfy and gave me a bit of protection. Since I also sculpt in clay and need to have feeling in my fingertips, I've done this a few times when they were getting too sore. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 17:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:54:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bevel clusters Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:49:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199802240054.AAA04596@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, et al, Bevel clusters made in UK...?! Have not come across a manufacturer, unless you ask for custom-made. They all appear to be imported. Possible short-cut via Germany. I know the bevels you describe that the "stick-on-people" use!! In deed "yuck"!! The glass at the edge is so thin so that there won't be too much of a ledge for the stick-on-lead to adhere to. I did once know where they got them from. Would do no harm in talking to Rega Lead or Classic Lead (Now Yorkshire Lead Company) to ask them who makes these bevels for them. (Let me know if you need contact name...). Would Elizabeth in Bournemouth be able to help? A final alternative, though they are NOT my favourite people, TSG on my last visit around Christmas had bevels / bevel clusters. P.S. For you guys in USA who wonder what Mike is talking about ("sealed double glazing units"); double glazing is still relatively new in UK and people differentiate between "secondary glazing" and "double glazing",; the latter is manufactured as one single unit and is sealed to contain a vaccuum between the two sheets of glass (anything that has to be slotted in between has to be fitted into the unit as the unit itself is made so as to be sealed in too). Secondary glazing, however , are 2 separate sheets fitted (very often) into 2 separate frames, both of which can be opened independently. The airspace between the 2 sheets is often also more. Good Luck ! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mike Simpson wrote I have recently landed a small contract to supply leaded glass panels for sealed unit double glazing units. snip....Most of my regular suppliers have the same makes and these seem to be made to use with the stick-on tape (yechh!!!) and the glass is quite thin, particularly at the edge. I have also been told that they are cast and not ground, this seems plausible as they appear to lack a certain something in the glittery rainbowey department. Can anybody reccomend high quality bevel clusters, prefferably available in the U.K. as the 10 to 14 days delivery from the U.S. is longer than my turn around time. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 18:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:55:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Deleted??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:49:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199802240054.AAA04606@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians, About a week ago I came out of "lurk-mode" to tell you that I had finally posted the first Chartres photos on my web-site. I have done so purely in response to at least 20-30 requests from YOU lot, that I should do so and share with everybody. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise; I could easily have just had extra prints made for those from USA that were there on the trip to France. In the last 2 weeks I have not heard a single squeak from ANY of you, whether acknowledgement, comments, or...anything. Total silence. What happened? Were the pictures THAT lousy? Lost interest? Or is now Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK relegated to "delete" mode?? Just wondering..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 18:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:26:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Maureen, If I'm going to be assembling a largish lead panel, I usually wrap my fingertips in a cloth tape, like elastoplast tape. This makes them a bit more abuse-resistant, but still lets you feel what you're doing without slipping. Sounds like you might have a good source for this kind of tape at your day job, too ;-) Sarah >I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are >smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a >panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny >pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun >intended). > >Thanks >Maureen >mosfunland@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 18:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:28:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 19:19:48 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.31948.0> References: <<1998Feb23.232357.0>> Precedence: bulk > I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips = are > smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when buil= ding a Hi Maureen, I used to work in a sweat shop sewing blue jeans, and what we did to preserve our fingertips, was wrap pieces of white medical tape on them. I did this with my glasswork, and it helps alot. I personally find gloves of any sort too bulky. Maybe this will work for you! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 19:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:29:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Correspondence Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:36:31 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > First time to add a comment to this list and I'll probably be sorry I did, > but I must say something here. I appreciate that someone out there is > willing to talk about glass AND life in general. I don't believe the > intent was to chat here about "life in general" but to find someone willing > to e-mail back and forth. I for one am willing to do just that As a one-time practicing craftsperson who felt cut off from the community of artists and other craftspeople (and who started a magazine 'way back when for that reason), I agree with you that one's life shared with others is a valuable "tool" in understanding and practicing one's craft and art. But I've just found that lots of people online tend to want "just the facts, ma'am" and nothing else. Actually, there *are some very warm, friendly, helpful (and chatty) people here, so don't take my grouchy comments too much to heart, okay? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 20:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:10:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Mosfunland@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.16627.0> References: <<1998Feb23.232357.0>> Precedence: bulk Mosfunland@aol.com wrote: > > I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are > smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a > panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny > pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun > intended). > > Thanks > Maureen > mosfunland@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i never liked wearing gloves when working with glass. i always need to be able to touch the glass physically. cloth gloves have no grip, and absorb water. rubber get's cut to easily, and i'd have to constantly remove them for foiling. for the most part i'll get cut occasionally. most of the time my fingers are tough enough to withstand the sharpness. unfortunally my finger tips can get so rough the can cut glass by them selves.. :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 20:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:45:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.123820.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Can slides be scanned for computer usage or must one have photographs developed as well as the slides and the scans? V T Phelps (who always manages to worry about costs somehow...) Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Tell a man that there's 500 trillion stars in the universe and he'll believe you; but tell him that there's wet paint on that bench and he's absolutely *obligated* to... > ---- Albert Lewis wrote: > 5. Shoot slides. You can always get prints from them, but not the > other 'way round without sacrificing quality. > My 2c worth, > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 20:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:46:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Solder problem Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:43:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980223214322.0069605c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Good Evening Group, I am having a problem with my soldering lately.. and have no clue what it may be really... here is what is happening: I apply the flux to the clean foil and when I touch the iron to the solder and the solder lines it just pulls... kinda of drags across the solder line. And peaks a lot but not consistantly. I can pool the solder and very slowly it will tin and bead up, but it is so slow.... I have never had this problem before and here a couple of thoughts of what it might be.. The soldering iron is not hot enough.. It is on a rheostat and I have the setting at 100%. I have a brand new tip so I don't think that is a problem. but another thought I had, which I don't have any clue of whether it could be a factor or not. I have sulphur (well) water here at my house. Is there a possibility that the sulphur in the air is reacting with the copper foil and creating a problem with the soldering process? As I said before, I have not had this problem before but then again, the piece that I am working on is 135 pieces where other projects somewhat smaller get finished much faster and are not exposed to the sulphur air for quite as long as this one has. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, maybe my soldering iron has just gone down the tubes and is not getting the temp that it should... Any comments on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 22:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:06:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: brown residue Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.192619.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980223084001.0069e65c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk > Now I am really curious: Why do you use carpeting on your >glass cutting >table? Seems to me that would be somewhat of a hazard, am I missing >something? Thanks... > >Barbara Snell > > (We also removed a patch of the carpeting on our glass cutting >>table..........whoops ;-) Barbara, We have one table that is used only for cutting large sheets of glass. With the carpeting it is easier to lay sheet glass down and move it around without scratching or breaking it. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 22:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:13:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.195253.0> References: <<1998Feb22.185447.0>> Precedence: bulk >Gary wrote >Alison, >I would recommend a camera that allows you to set your aperatures and >shutter speeds manually so that you can "bracket" exposures. I would >also >look for a "long" lens, in the 100mm range so that you get a flat >perspective and, by virtue of standing further from the panel to >photograph >it using the longer lens, it will have more even illumination. > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com > > Gary the statement "it will have more even illumination." can >be >misleading as the telephoto lens (from my understanding) has a higher >aperature setting which is a reciprocal and therefore lets in less >light. >Of course when trying to get more light to the film you will have to >use a >slower speed and therefore a tripod and maybe a remote release to >steady >the camera. The telephoto does reduce the "fisheye" distortion and it >is >important that the camera is perpendicular to the centre of the window >to >avoid "keyhole" distortion. (I'm still trying to understand flat >perspective, isn't that a contradiction? or a paradox? or something >equally >perplexing?{;-)> ) >Glenn Spicer, Well Glenn........ I knew that this would be difficult to explain, but I threw it out there and just hoped it would sort of slide by. Here's what I meant. Imagine if you cut a hole 12" by 12" in a large sheet of cardboard and place it in a window. Now stand two feet from the hole and look out. You will see a lot of stuff out there. Perhaps a black roadway, some green trees, blue sky and white clouds. If you photograph a panel with a wide angle lens, you must stand close to the panel. You will have the road, the trees, the sky and the clouds behind different parts of the panel. Now stand across the room and look through the same hole in the cardboard. If you stand up high you can see the road through it. If you crouch down low you will see only the sky through it. From dead on you can only see trees through it. If you place the panel in the window and photograph it from across the room, you will have your choice of what will be on the other side of the panel illuminating it rather than having to accept all of it at different points in the panel. ..........and that is what I meant by more even illumination...... (Pant, pant, pant) As for the flat perspective, I was using non photographic speak to mean an absence of fisheye distortion. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 22:53:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: brown residue Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.19309.0> References: <<1998Feb23.153932.0>> Precedence: bulk Margaret, It is a product of Novacan, the maker of patinas and other stained glass preparations, and should be available where Novacan chemicals are sold. It will cost a premium to ship due to the current restrictions on shipping hazardous chemicals. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio designs www.dodgestudio.com >Gary wrote: ><< Whether the residue you are experiencing is patina stains or >whatever, we > have found that a product called "The Stain Remover That Really >Works" >> > > >Where can this product be found? Paint store? > >Thanks > >Margaret _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 23:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: NCScouter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:32:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.183235.0> References: <<1998Feb23.123820.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes slides can be scanned. However, you might not want to invest in the equipment. An alternative is to have your photos put on a CD-ROM or floppy disk. There are many programs (Adobe PhotoShop, Corel Photo Paint, etc) that you can use to "Diddle the Pixels"(not an obsene remark... just computer Geek talk). Looks like you are located in the UK I'm sure your local photo developer could help. Kodak I know has the capabilities and probably is reasonable in price. Good Luck Patrick Roses and Rainbows NCScouter wrote: > Can slides be scanned for computer usage or must one have photographs > developed as well as the slides and the scans? > > V T Phelps (who always manages to worry about costs somehow...) > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > > Tell a man that there's 500 trillion stars in the universe > and he'll believe you; but tell him that there's wet paint > on that bench and he's absolutely *obligated* to... > > > ---- > Albert Lewis wrote: > > 5. Shoot slides. You can always get prints from them, but not the > > other 'way round without sacrificing quality. > > My 2c worth, > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 23:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder problem Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:04:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.20436.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980223214322.0069605c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk > I am having a problem with my soldering lately.. and have no >clue what it >may be really... here is what is happening: > > The soldering iron is not hot enough.. It is on a rheostat >and I have the setting at 100%. I have a brand new tip so I don't think that is a problem. >the piece that I am working on is 135 pieces where other projects somewhat >smaller >get finished much faster > > Any comments on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks > >Barbara Barbara, My first thought is that you have never asked so much of your iron before. An iron that is fine for smaller work, often just doesn't have a large enough heat sink to keep you going on larger work. As you work you just draw all the heat out of it faster than it can replenish it and you must wait for it to catch up. What type of iron are you using? Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 23:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:40:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Soldering Tip Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:38:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.183846.0> Precedence: bulk Has anybody used a tip that is designed to give you a nice bead? I bought one. It looks kind of like a wooden pencil point that you purposely broke off the point. It had no directions with it. I've had moderate success with it by making small drops of solder on the copper foil and joining them. There must be an easier way. Thanks in advance. Patrick Roses and Rainbows. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 23:46:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:47:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: Deleted??? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:46:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.184643.0> Precedence: bulk Now Elisabeth you know that we wouldn't relegate you to the "delete" mode. I'll visit the sight tomorrow night, as long as you promise to let Toby bark. BTW I'm still working on the pattern in Toby's honor. When I finish it I'll send it to Glenna for posting. Toby .... what does a crumpet look like? Is a biscuit a cookie? Y'all shur talk funny. Not like usin in Texas. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 23 23:57:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:25:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb23.182526.0> References: <<1998Feb23.183235.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Strictly for the record, so that I don't feel like I'm misleading anyone: I am located on the Outer Banks of North Carolina (Being plagued by one nor'easter after another!) in the good ol' USA, AND I get my film developed by Walmart or Revco, whichever has the best coupon that week! ;-D I had completely forgotten that some developers offer that service, and I think it's only an extra $5/6 (USD) additional to the prints. THANK you Pat! V T Phelps (Being BLOWN away in the windy wild shores of Roanoke Island NC...by a nor'easter!) pkelly wrote: <> > An alternative is to have your photos put on a CD-ROM or > floppy disk. Looks like you are located in the UK I'm sure your > local photo developer could help. Kodak I know has the capabilities and > probably is reasonable in price. > Good Luck > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > NCScouter wrote: > > Can slides be scanned for computer usage or must one have photographs > > developed as well as the slides and the scans? > > V T Phelps (who always manages to worry about costs somehow...) > > > ---- > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > 5. Shoot slides. You can always get prints from them, but not the > > > other 'way round without sacrificing quality. > > > My 2c worth, > > > Albert > > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 00:50:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:40:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Finger protection Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:45:14, -0500 Message-ID: <199802240445.XAB15440@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk The best thing I know of is *Alligator Skin*. It is a green gauze like non stickey tape that sticks to itself and works well. Wrap about a foot around the finger and squeeze together. Comes in 90' rolls with instructions for about $1.50. I have only found it in the Rio Grande catalog (800 545-6566 USA, 800 253-9738 CAN, 505 344-9671 FAX) to order the catalog. Caution: General brousing in this catalog can result in large outlays of money for things you must have. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Sandblast it dammit!) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 02:20:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: luton.ac.uk!david.outram From: david.outram@luton.ac.uk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:02:46 GMT Message-ID: <1998Feb24.10246.0> Organization: University of Luton Precedence: bulk Maureen wrote: > I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are > smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a > panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny > pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun > intended). > Try the thin medical gloves they seem to work fine. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 02:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:18:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: Margaret41@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bevel clusters Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:48:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199802240648.GAA00243@jackel.demon.co.uk> References: <<1998Feb23.154456.0>> Precedence: bulk Margaret, This is more an American English vs. English English than newbie vs. oldie thing. I don't know what it is in the U.S., but I think possibly "thermo-glaze"? Double glazing is where a window pane is made of two sheets of glass with an air space between them: sealed unit is where they are sealed against air getting in to keep out condensation. Mike Simpson. > > In a message dated 98-02-23 06:01:42 EST, you write: > Mike Simpson wrote: > << To supply leaded glass > panels for sealed unit double glazing units. >> > > Could you pls. explain what this is for the newbies that lurk at bungi? Thanks > > Margaret > > "Life only has 2 rules; Rule #1 - don't quit...Rule #2 - always refer to rule > #1" -- Duke Ellington > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 03:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: white lines Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199802240756.HAA00379@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk As I mentioned in a recent posting, I am doing some leaded panels for incorporating in sealed double glazed door and window panels. Mostly the doors and window surrounds are in very smooth white plastic (double yechh!!) and this seems to accentuate any flaws in the leading of the panel and this is where I am having trouble. I sometimes get white lines around the edges of the lead, sometimes from the whiting and sometimes from patina solution or even cleaning liquids. After a certain point any cleaning only seems to make it worse. I would appreciate any tips on how to remove or avoid getting these white lines and to get the hi-tech pitch black cementing that my customer wants. Another question, what should I add to cement to keep it gloopy? I assume that it would be something like turpentine and raw linseed oil, but in what proportions. Thanks for any tips that you can give, Mike Simpson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 05:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: "Toby" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Deleted??? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980224071235.006af93c@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk In the last 2 weeks I have not heard a single squeak from ANY >of you, whether acknowledgement, comments, or...anything. >Total silence. >What happened? I, for one, went immediately to the site, and browsed with much interest in finding out just who those people were and about the trip! Just guess I kept it to myself! Sorry! Thanks so much for your efforts! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 07:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:37:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: gloopy cement Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 08:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199802240756.HAA00379@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Another question, what should I add to cement to keep it gloopy? I > assume that it would be something like turpentine and raw linseed oil, > but in what proportions. i always used boiled linseed oil rather than raw. this makes it evaporate (not really, it changes into a different chemical, but it goes away just the same) better. i usually mix it to the consistancy of a really thick honey, and only mix enough to do a couple square feet at a time. that way i don't have to worry about a pot life. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 08:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:44:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: toby@northlights.co.uk, Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sorry Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.54313.0> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Toby. . . I am really sorry for not letting you know how much I appreciated your posting. I did really enjoy the pictures and should have let you know immediately. My manners really are amiss. I'll do better next time! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 08:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:15:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Deleted??? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:13:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980224101312.00820100@glasstreasures.com> References: <<199802240054.AAA04606@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Sorry, Elisabeth, I had kept the message intending to go see the pics on my much faster work computer, and then totally forgot! The pictures are wonderful, and I thank you for putting them up. Makes me want to go see it myself some day, even more than I already wanted to! :-) Steph ~ >About a week ago I came out of "lurk-mode" to tell you that I had >finally posted the first Chartres photos on my web-site. ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 09:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chartres Photos - how to find Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199802241705.RAA00488@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians, ...from one extreme to the other.... mailbox this morning full of 25 messages, asking where are they, can't find them...... So back to my original e-mail for how-to... ;-) A Small Group photo underneath a stained glass canope in the Loire Studio gardens shows from left to right Grandson Loire, Kathe McDonald (Bungi USA), Elisabeth (Bungi UK), Peggy Johnson (Bungi USA) and John Chapman (one of my students). A pic of ME - at LAST!!!! (but don't hold your breaths!!) Text & more pics to follow at later stage... My WEB-site address: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ClLICK on "classes" and then on "Clifton"; and at the bottom of that page you will find the reference to Chartres. ( have experienced difficulties when trying to click on thumbnails to get enlargements. It could be just me. Have to wait for clarification until "computer-guru" comes back from his UK-wide travels...) Enjoy! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 09:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: puttying a window Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 10:36:00 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.18360.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am wondering about puttying a window... I made a 30" square window in a brass frame. It is an inside winow. Suspended in a regular window near a door that is slammed quite frequently. I have noticed that there are some points of light showing through, and had to fix a solder joint in the main frame. Should I putty this window? I was told by the man who taught me, not to putty windows that will not be exposed to the elements, and therefore did not. This window is in a business, and the customer has not shown any concern over it. Am I being too critical of my work, and if I should have to putty it, do I charge, or chalk it up as my mistake? Thanks! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 10:15:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:23:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Outside windows and a door question Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:33:57 -0600 Message-ID: <199802241722.LAA22946@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >>In the case of the door, I haven't decided whether it would be best >to have the lights separated by lead or by wood (which I'd have >assembled after the panels were crafted). Other French leaded glass >doors in my home just have the lead separating the panels, reinforced >by what look like steel strips (thin, perpendicular to the door) here >and there. Is this still acceptable for modern construction, or >should I go for the safer wood option? It's an interior door that >will never be subject to the elements or wind (other than from use). Are you certain that the matrix of the doors is lead? Are they original? Very possible that it could be zinc contruction especially from that era. Sure it is OK to build them without wood dividers. I would use 5/8 flat zinc and attach rebar (steel strips) to each horizontal member and notch into the frame. I should point out that even though they are not exposed to the elements, a slammed door is very hard on a SG panel. Another option would be to match the construction of the existing panels .If they were built 60 years ago and are holding up well, then there should be no problem. If you decide to build them this way, post again for more details on contructing this type of panel. Good luck Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 10:21:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Toby" , Subject: Re: Deleted??? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:49:01 -0600 Message-ID: <199802241722.LAA22943@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >About a week ago I came out of "lurk-mode" to tell you that I had >finally posted the first Chartres photos on my web-site. >. In the last 2 weeks I have not heard a single squeak from ANY >of you, whether acknowledgement, comments, or...anything. >Total silence. I can't find the the Chartes link on your web site Elisabeth Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 10:35:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:26:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:23:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.172315.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-23 19:27:20 EST, you write: << I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips are smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when building a panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tiny pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun intended). >> Hello Maureen, In the beginning when i was just starting to solder on copper foil, my fingers were getting beaten up by the chemicals in the flux. I found that wearing latex surgical gloves has really helped a lot, and now I wouldnt be without them. I am fortunate enough to be able to purchase them at local flea markets for $5 to $6 a box of 100 pairs. And while I was there I also found bargain surgical kellys and kryles.......those surgical tools that look like delicate scissors and have a clamping mechanism in the handles. They are excellent for holding jump rings in place while you solder. you can pick them up at a flea market for $3 to $4. (some dealors refer to them as hemostats) I also use the gloves when working with lead and patina. If any of you do not have a source of these gloves and would like to try them, I have also seen them in the cleaning section of the local supermarket, sold in plastic bags of 3 pairs of these thin latex gloves. Hope this helps! ~Alison~ PS forgive me Maureen, I know you are very familiar with these medical supplies...the explanation was for others out there who may not be. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 10:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:11:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Finger protection Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:09:45, -0500 Message-ID: <199802241809.NAA23340@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >Cool! I'll give them a call, thanks for the warning...I remember years ago >ordering from a Rio Grande jewelry wholesaler....is it the same company? >Maureen Yes, one and the same. While you're ordering, get the smallest rawhide maul. I have had one for years now and find it the best thing for tapping glass and setting horseshoe nails. Crippled when I can not find it. Warning: Do not look at the jewelery tool pages unless you have plenty of money! Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Sandblast it dammit!) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 10:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:52:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Solder problem Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:49:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.174952.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-24 04:00:49 EST, you write: << I apply the flux to the clean foil and when I touch the iron to the solder and the solder lines it just pulls... kinda of drags across the solder line. And peaks a lot but not consistantly. I can pool the solder and very slowly it will tin and bead up, but it is so slow.... >> Barbara, I have encountered the problem you are describeing twice and for different reasons. The first time after installing a new tip, I discovered that the problem was with my ceramic core iron, in the core itself. I had dropped the iron and the ceramic core was cracked, causing heat loss and an uneveness of heat. The other time, i had soldered with a 50/50 solder that had a lot of imputities in the solder and there was a buildup of impurities on the iron that were barely visable. This time after cleaning the tip well on a sal amoniac block and re- tinnning the tip, the problem cleared up. If you have another iron available, plug it in and see what happens......if the problem reocurrs, maybe it is your rheostat or even the water problem you mentioned, Have you tried another roll of solder? Maybe the solder itself is at fault. If it is happening only after long runs of soldering, maybe your iron is cooling off and needs time to "catch up" again. These are the only things I can think of...maybe someone else has some other ideas. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 11:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:55:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: white lines Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:56:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.55625.0> References: <<199802240756.HAA00379@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Mike, To begin, I do not cement a panel that is going to be "sealed" between two sheets of clear glass. The cement will retain water and will take you forever to dry it out. And, the whiting and small globs of cement will continually fall out of the lead and look like specks of dirt inside the sealed unit. No way to clean it afterward. I have a local flat glass shop that seals the panels using a primary seal and a secondary seal, with a desicated frame on the edges. I think that's the only way to go if you want to get the longest life out of the seals. To date, the oldest panels I have out there are about 10 years, and seals are still holding ...... but, of course that's peanuts when you compare it to the expected lifetime of the panel. But, my point is, I don't cement panels destined for a thermal seal because the cement retains a lot of water, certainly enough to saturate any amount of desicant you can get in the panel. And, the dried cement and whiting will always fall out of the came and be highly visible on the glass, especially if it's clear bevels. If you're cementing for strength reasons, use tempered glass for the sandwich. Mike Peck Mike Simpson wrote: > > As I mentioned in a recent posting, I am doing some leaded panels for > incorporating in sealed double glazed door and window panels. Mostly > the doors and window surrounds are in very smooth white plastic (double > yechh!!) and this seems to accentuate any flaws in the leading of the > panel and this is where I am having trouble. I sometimes get white lines > around the edges of the lead, sometimes from the whiting and sometimes > from patina solution or even cleaning liquids. After a certain point any > cleaning only seems to make it worse. > > I would appreciate any tips on how to remove or avoid getting these > white lines and to get the hi-tech pitch black cementing that my customer > wants. > > Another question, what should I add to cement to keep it gloopy? I > assume that it would be something like turpentine and raw linseed oil, > but in what proportions. > > Thanks for any tips that you can give, > > Mike Simpson. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 11:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:29:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb24.182946.0> Precedence: bulk To Glenn and Gary and everyone else who has been so generous with answering my camera questions.......thanks! I understand now what you have been saying, and now I know how to correct some of the problems that have been getting in the way of obtaining some really great shots. None of you would ever believe how many shots I have had to take, just to get a decent photo of one item. multipy this by the number of items I have been taking pictures of, LOL, and it has added up to big piles of less than usable pictures. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 11:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Lexan Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:13:44 -0600 Message-ID: <199802241802.MAA25668@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk >And as far as lexon goes......................nothing but a nightmare all it >does is give you unsightly scratches even when you wipe it with a diaper. Lexan sucks (and you can quote me on that) I am ashamed to to say that in my days as an installation specialist, I hung many thousands of square feet of that junk. In my own defense I did recommend storm glass for most sets but was turned down almost every time. and not by the customer) Lexan was marketed as a major breakthrough in window protection, but it turned out to be nothing more then a variation of the old hit and run aluminum siding routine. It went up FAST and required only limited installation skills compared to a proper vented glass installation. And we charged more for this so-called wonder material besides. The number of beautiful churches and other buildings around the country that are burdened with that scratched, distorted, discolored crap is pitiful. If I were a wealthy man I would pay, out of my own pocket, for the removal of every last bit of it that I installed, as matter of conscience. Thanks for tolerating my venting.......I feel better now :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 11:58:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:41:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: latex gloves Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:40:48 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk You can get the gloves at most drug stores--not as cheap as at the flea market, of course, but I just bought a box of 50 at Walgreens last night for $4.99. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 12:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:43:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199802241942.OAA00542@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Feb24.182946.0>> Precedence: bulk ItsAlison twists the bytes to say: ItsAlison> To Glenn and Gary and everyone else who has been so generous with answering my ItsAlison> camera questions.......thanks! I understand now what you have been saying, Hi fellow s-glassers, I just subscribed to the list and I am glad I found it. I got late to the discussion, but I'll add my $0.02. A good book on the subject is Photographing your Artwork, by Hart. Published by North Light Books, ISBN: 0891344497 The book appears to be out of print, but you'll might be lucky. In essence, I'd say the camera is not too relevant (as long as you have a reflex or superior camera). What's critical is lightning and avoidance of unwanted reflections (or transfer of unwanted light if you're photographing a against the light). The book discusses techniques for stained glass. if people are interested I can prepare a summary describing its advice. It is well worth it. It starts saying: "Stained glass is perhaps the trickiest kind of two-dimensional artwork to photograph, because it must be transilluminated." -- Daniel M. German http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 12:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:54:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pattern shears Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.9520.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All- Well, all you folks who have been around here for awhile = know I'm not to keen on gadgets, but I bought one yesterday at our wholesaler's that's pretty darn slick! And, will probably be of interest to all of you who posted their frustrations in trying to use pattern shears. These are a = new style (I presume they're new, since I've never seen them before) of pattern shear with an ergonomic grip handle and short blades, and you know what.... they work a gazillion times better than the traditional kind (though I don't have much trouble with those either). And they're pretty cheap, though I won't mention HOW cheap so the retailers don't get mad at me! They're called the James Easycut (TM) by = Inland and I would recommend them for anyone who cuts patterns. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 13:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:03:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: latex gloves Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 13:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > You can get the gloves at most drug stores--not as cheap as at the > flea market, of course, but I just bought a box of 50 at Walgreens > last night for $4.99. you can also get them in home depot in the paint department for pennies apiece. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 13:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:21:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.4204.0> References: <<1998Feb24.172315.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I don't do panels,...... I do grind alot. Wet fingers and sharp glass can be a bad combination. So when I first started out, I use to wear garderner's rose gloves. They are thick rough rubbery gloves. No fine precision here. But.... They keep your hands dry and do not let the sharp glass in. They cost $10+ a pair. I have seen them in the scrap glass bins at stained glass stores, for their customers to wear while they are hunting through the glass. The retailers sell them, but they are a tad bit cheaper at department stores. It has been my experience that you won't save enough money at the department store, to pay for a trip across town, or to shop several stores trying to find them. For me, now, I use them when I need to give my fingers a rest. The plastic gloves are called exam gloves. If you have someone in a nursing home, you could ask their purchaser to buy you a couple of boxes(100 to a box). If they are willing to do that, you will save alot of money(you could always try a hospital, but I am sure they have some rules against it). Also they can be purchased in the paint dept. at any hardware store, from 10 cents to a dollar each. I use them inside garden gloves, when I am mixing/pouring concrete. Talk about ruin your hands, pour concrete unprotected! (I know Monona, you are shuddering) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 13:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:35:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: latex gloves Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:34:14 -0800 Message-ID: <199802242023.MAA07802@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Besides using the latex gloves, I have found 'Flents finger Cots' indispensable! Instead of having your entire hand enveloped in latex, you have only a finger or two. They are great! Jean jean@lasercom.net ICQ#7131940 ---------- > You can get the gloves at most drug stores--not as cheap as at the > flea market, of course, but I just bought a box of 50 at Walgreens > last night for $4.99. > > Kaye Jean jean@lasercom.net jeanor_ak@yahoo.com ICQ#7131940 NetMeeting: Bonnie Nrmn (ils1) Until next time... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 14:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lexan Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.11170.0> Precedence: bulk Yup, Len, whatever you have to say about Lexan, be assured that Michael and I agree 100%. Though, I wouldn't even in my wildest dreams consider taking it all down at my own expense. Mike strongly states his case against it to the customer, and in every case in which it was used, the customer insisted. Let it now be on their shoulders! Alleluia! Best regards, Dani ;-) Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 14:51:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:19:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: white lines Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.111640.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: mike peck, INTERNET:summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net DATE: 2/24/98 1:19 PM RE: Copy of: Re: white lines Hi all- Michael and I agree 100% with Mike Peck's comments on = cementing and sealed windows! Couldn't have said it better. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 15:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:29:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.111654.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Daniel- Welcome to bungi and please do post more information on photographing glass. The only thing I've read recently that = specifically addresses shooting stained glass is in Jennie French"s book on stained glass. We shoot = most of our work in a north facing shop window and get pretty good pictures (also get shots on-site but that's always an iffy proposition), but I have a recent install that's giving me real problems - an entryway that's backlit with flourescent lighting. If I can nail this location, I may actually try to get photos of the infamous Feng Shui window which is also artificially lit. ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 15:18:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: puttying a window Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.111646.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "Laurean", INTERNET:vlclover@rconnect.com DATE: 2/24/98 1:14 PM RE: Copy of: puttying a window Hi Laureen- You should very definitely cement this window. And just for the record, cementing provides more benefits than just water- proofing the window against the elements. Your previous teacher was wrong in his assessment of = the cementing process. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 15:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:56:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:43:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.84339.0> References: <<199802241942.OAA00542@aries17.uwaterloo.ca>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Daniel, YES! since you asked, I would be among the interested parties to have access to some type of summarization of techniques for photgraphing stained glass. Thank you SO much for the offer! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "It is the manner, not the content that marks a gentleman." > ---- Daniel M. German wrote: <> > Hi fellow s-glassers, > In essence, I'd say the camera is not too relevant (as long as you > have a reflex or superior camera). What's critical is lightning and > avoidance of unwanted reflections (or transfer of unwanted light if > you're photographing a against the light). The book discusses > techniques for stained glass. if people are interested I can prepare a > summary describing its advice. It is well worth it. It starts saying: > > "Stained glass is perhaps the trickiest kind of two-dimensional > artwork to photograph, because it must be transilluminated." > > -- > Daniel M. German ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 15:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.det-freepress.com!newman From: "Heather Newman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Outside windows and a door question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.16459.0> Organization: Detroit Free Press Precedence: bulk Here's a copy of my reply to Len's response (I know, this is getting confusing) to my original posting on my outside window/inside door question, which inadvertently went backchannel instead of on the list. Sorry about that! Len gently pointed out that it probably should have been posted for the benefit of the list... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Outside windows and a door question Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:41:18 -0600 > Len-- > > Thanks for the suggestion. It's very possible that the original > dividers in my old doors are zinc, rather than lead, although they have an > interesting texture to them (sort of rustic and melted) that I would > associate with lead construction, only because of its flexibility. Interesting....haven't seen too much decorative finish on came. Can you photograph it scan and attach to email in your spare time ....Just kidding! > Forgive my ignorance, but when we talk about rebar, are we talking > about the traditional round, black, lumpy stuff that's used in > concrete? Or some more specific stained-glass substance? Rebar ( bracing) is the generally used name for the thin perpendicular metal strips you referred to in your post. ---------------------------------------- Heather Newman, Detroit Free Press newman@det-freepress.com 313-223-3336 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 15:53:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:08:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: [Fwd: Re: white lines] Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:10:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.111045.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.137]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980224204757.JPFE18992@arl-img-7.compuserve.com> for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:47:57 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id PAA23179 for summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:47:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:46:50 -0500 From: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: white lines Sender: "Michael J. Greer" To: mike peck Message-ID: <199802241547_MC2-3486-194B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Hi all- Michael and I agree 100% with Mike Peck's comments on = cementing and sealed windows! Couldn't have said it better. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 16:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:42:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Deleted??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:36:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199802242341.XAA15640@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thank you Uncle Pat!!! Please note my earlier (and earlier still) info about "navigation to Chartres". Of course Toby will be delighted to say "hello" since he is a fan of yours anyway. (There is a new "baby-pic" of Toby also on the web-site, when he was 9 weeks old!!!), together with 2 more sg panels, from the whole collection my "computer guru" has on file to get up on the Page for me. The 2 panels from the United Reform Church are still in my camera awaiting developing. 'Nuf for now. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Pat wrote: Now Elisabeth you know that we wouldn't relegate you to the "delete" mode. I'll visit the sight tomorrow night, as long as you promise to let Toby bark. BTW I'm still working on the pattern in Toby's honor. When I finish it I'll send it to Glenna for posting. Toby .... what does a crumpet look like? Is a biscuit a cookie? Y'all shur talk funny. Not like usin in Texas. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 17:05:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:55:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980224185517.006920b8@mail.clis.com> References: <<199802241942.OAA00542@aries17.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk At 04:43 PM 2/24/98 -0800, V T Phelps wrote: >YES! since you asked, I would be among the interested parties to have >access to some type of summarization of techniques for photgraphing >stained glass. >Thank you SO much for the offer! >V T Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Ditto! Dava glassurgeon@clis.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 17:28:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hiya, For grinding, I have tried many fingertip-savers, but the best one I have found by far are some little rubber thimbles. I'm not sure even what these are supposed to be for but they are thick rubber, reddish-colored, with little rubber bumps on them for grip and they just cover your fingertips like a thimble. Put one on each forefinger and thumb and you don't have to worry about waterlogged fingers slicing open again. By the way, don't even waste your cash on Inland Thumbsavers or those Morton gripper tong things. Sarah >I don't do panels,...... >I do grind alot. Wet fingers and sharp glass can be a bad combination. >So when I first started out, I use to wear garderner's rose gloves. They >are thick rough rubbery gloves. No fine precision here. But.... They >keep your hands dry and do not let the sharp glass in. They cost $10+ a >pair. >I have seen them in the scrap glass bins at stained glass stores, for >their customers to wear while they are hunting through the glass. The >retailers sell them, but they are a tad bit cheaper at department >stores. It has been my experience that you won't save enough money at >the department store, to pay for a trip across town, or to shop several >stores trying to find them. >For me, now, I use them when I need to give my fingers a rest. >The plastic gloves are called exam gloves. If you have someone in a >nursing home, you could ask their purchaser to buy you a couple of >boxes(100 to a box). If they are willing to do that, you will save alot >of money(you could always try a hospital, but I am sure they have some >rules against it). Also they can be purchased in the paint dept. at any >hardware store, from 10 cents to a dollar each. >I use them inside garden gloves, when I am mixing/pouring concrete. >Talk about ruin your hands, pour concrete unprotected! (I know Monona, >you are shuddering) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 17:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:07:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Thanks! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 17:53:09 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb25.1539.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks all of you who replied to my question of puttying! Laurean Eph 4:32 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 17:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:26:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: puttying a window Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:25:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.122555.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Laurean.. I putty all panels I do no matter if they are exterior or interior...It gives a lot of added strength to the panels besides weatherproofing them... Byron.. -----Original Message----- From: Laurean To: Bungi Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:00 AM Subject: puttying a window >Hi all, > I am wondering about puttying a window... >I made a 30" square window in a brass frame. It is >an inside winow. Suspended in a regular window near >a door that is slammed quite frequently. I have noticed >that there are some points of light showing through, and >had to fix a solder joint in the main frame. Should I putty >this window? I was told by the man who taught me, not >to putty windows that will not be exposed to the elements, >and therefore did not. This window is in a business, and >the customer has not shown any concern over it. Am I >being too critical of my work, and if I should have to putty >it, do I charge, or chalk it up as my mistake? Thanks! > >Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 18:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:03:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stanley Door Company now sells stained glass?!! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.12258.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk I was wondering if anyone else had the opportunity to catch a glimpse of what the Stanley Door Company is now starting to offer: stained glass in STEEL came! The contractor sample that I was allowed to look over and handle had several stock colors of GNA, some colored glue chip, and a pretty nice 3.25" amber rondel. The really interesting part of it though is that it was all encased/created with STEEL came and some VERY tough solder. This would be a difficult piece to damage in a well-used door, but the only place with the capabilities of bending steel u-channel came WOULD be a company like Stanley, now wouldn't it!! I've been depressed, until it occured to me that these pieces HAD to be machine processed somehow, (except for the soldering which was smooth enough to pass--yet rather too large at the joints,) and being such couldn't possibly have the ultimate monetary value that a hand-made, reinforced leaded panel would have; AND (here's the really pleasurable part for me!) if the steel in the came lasts like their steel doors we have NOTHING to fear anyhow cause their doors begin to rust out anywhere near the ocean in a matter of less than 10 years... Comments from anyone else who may have come across this stuff? V T Phelps Shoreline Glassiworks, Ltd. "The mouse dreams dreams which would terrify the cat!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 19:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:58:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: solder problems Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980224215542.006a1c04@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Good Evening, As usual, everyone here gave me plenty of things to think about. I removed my rheostat, opened a fresh jar of flux, lightly brushed the foil with cleaner and tried to solder a little. No Luck !! Same problem, very slow and lots of dragging. I used 60/40 solder (a new roll) and my iron is a Mika 100 watt. Looks like I will be replacing it this weekend. I think I will keep it around for decorative work using little balls.... it makes lovely little balls. Thanks for all your suggestions... and by the way, because of the sulphur in my water I do use air tight plastic bags for storing my foil. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 19:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:25:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fwd: Solder problem Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980224222215.0069d804@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Thanks Suzanne, I like your idea about the distilled water, I think I will do the same. Sulphur is a gas and it will cause oxidation on metals especially those that have copper as a base metal. And because it is a gas it is in the air, carried into my house through the water from my well. If there is any good news about sulphur water, it is good for your skin and hair... haven't really found any other redeaming qualities about it for home use. >3. When I use the sponge to clean my tip, I use distilled water because I >had a terrible oxidation problem a few years back when we had a drought. >But that didn't affect the soldering, it made all my projects oxidize >after they were finished a week or so. It could have been the minerals in >my well water. Never heard of sulfur in the air! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 20:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:28:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass , NCScouter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stanley Door Company & Stained glass?!! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:26:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.152657.0> References: <<1998Feb24.12258.0>> Precedence: bulk Do you know if Stanley happens to have a webpage about this??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 20:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:30:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: protecting fingers Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:29:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.172916.0> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk I thought if I sent this without the original message everyone would still understand. To protect myself from the burning flux and hot solder I use nitrile gloves. They are blue and really fit like a second skin. I find I can feel things really well with them and most of the time I hardly know I am wearing them. I buy mine from Houston Stained Glass, but I know some commercial industrial places have them. They are made by a company called Best. They cost a little more than latex, but to me, it is well worth the price. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 20:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stanley Door Company now sells stained glass?!! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:15:59 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >I was wondering if anyone else had the opportunity to catch a glimpse of >what the Stanley Door Company is now starting to offer: stained glass in >STEEL came! The contractor sample that I was allowed to look over and >handle had several stock colors of GNA, some colored glue chip, and a >pretty nice 3.25" amber rondel. The really interesting part of it though >is that it was all encased/created with STEEL came and some VERY tough >solder. This would be a difficult piece to damage in a well-used door, >but the only place with the capabilities of bending steel u-channel came >WOULD be a company like Stanley, now wouldn't it!! I've been depressed, >until it occured to me that these pieces HAD to be machine processed >somehow, (except for the soldering which was smooth enough to pass--yet >rather too large at the joints,) and being such couldn't possibly have >the ultimate monetary value that a hand-made, reinforced leaded panel >would have; AND (here's the really pleasurable part for me!) if the >steel in the came lasts like their steel doors we have NOTHING to fear >anyhow cause their doors begin to rust out anywhere near the ocean in a >matter of less than 10 years... > >Comments from anyone else who may have come across this stuff? > >V T Phelps And when the glass gets broken in these windows, let's hope they send them back to Stanley for repair!! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 21:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:42:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pattern shears Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:35:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb25.43519.0> Precedence: bulk What?!? Pattern shears that actually work? I will have to try these. Maybe I have cursed my blasted things for the last time! Susan (still working on giraffe window) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 24 22:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:47:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Last call Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb24.194519.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, A little while back I posted a note about some windows that the Archdiosces of Wyoming is trying to sell. I got reports that some folks had trouble viewing the pix so I have changed the file format and put them up again. (They are fairly simple windows.) If you want to take a look they are at http://www.dodgestudio.com/wndosale.htm Gary Dodge _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 05:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:17:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass panels in kitchen cabnets Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:15:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb25.131517.0> Precedence: bulk What's the best way to install glass pannels in kitchen cabnet doors?? I'm gonna attempt to make and put in glass pannels in my parents kitchen cabnet doors,any suggestions would be alot of help,Thanx Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 06:52:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:25:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: Alcista To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.4850.0> References: <<1998Feb23.182526.0>> Precedence: bulk Seatle Filmworks offer the photo on disk service. They also supply the software for viewing the photos. Seatle Filmworks Elliott Bay at Pier 89 PO Box 34056 Seattle WA 98124-9956 (206)283-9074 Sandi ;-) NCScouter wrote: > Strictly for the record, so that I don't feel like I'm misleading > anyone: I am located on the Outer Banks of North Carolina (Being plagued > by one nor'easter after another!) in the good ol' USA, AND I get my film > developed by Walmart or Revco, whichever has the best coupon that week! > ;-D > I had completely forgotten that some developers offer that service, and > I think it's only an extra $5/6 (USD) additional to the prints. THANK > you Pat! > > > pkelly wrote: > <> > > An alternative is to have your photos put on a CD-ROM or > > floppy disk. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 07:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass panels in kitchen cabnets Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.45145.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Dudley246@aol.com >What's the best way to install glass pannels in kitchen cabnet doors?? I= 'm gonna attempt to make and put in glass pannels in my parents kitchen cabn= et doors,any suggestions would be alot of help,Thanx Damon< Well, I've re-used the existing wooden interior molding to hold in the panel, and that worked wonderfully, since they were built to hold in regular float glass. I've seen some with glass clips which didn't look like they did the job very well, as the panel was beginning to sag down at the bottom. I'm not sure if it was the fault of not having enough glass clips per square inch to spread out the work load of keeping the panel in place during opening and closing, or if it was the fault of poor internal reinforcement inside the panel itself. I am working on a pair of kitchen panels right now which will be held in place with plastic moulding strips which insert into a routed channel in the wood frame. These guys look very strong yet flexible. I think I am going to like them a lot. But if they don't work out to my satisfaction, I'll create my own wood moulding from quarter round and finish it off that way, or else do the glass clips, making sure to use plenty of them all the way around the panel. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 07:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:10:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder problems Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.5756.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980224215542.006a1c04@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk > Good Evening, > As usual, everyone here gave me plenty of things to think about. I > removed my rheostat, opened a fresh jar of flux, lightly brushed the foil > with cleaner and tried to solder a little. No Luck !! Same problem, very > slow and lots of dragging. > > I used 60/40 solder (a new roll) and my iron is a Mika 100 watt. Looks > like I will be replacing it this weekend. I think I will keep it around > for decorative work using little balls.... it makes lovely little balls. > > Thanks for all your suggestions... and by the way, because of the sulphur > in my water I do use air tight plastic bags for storing my foil. > > Barbara > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com it's a good idea to keep all your old irons and tips. they may be bad, but they can be a life saver if your current iron dies even worse. i once had to finish a panel with my 550w iron, the thing ways over 10 lbs. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 08:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:54:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cameras Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:00:29 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Seatle Filmworks offer the photo on disk service. They also supply the > software for viewing the photos. That's true, although I hate the way they crop the images. There's always part of each image missing at one end or the other ... always, it seems, exactly what I would have preferred to be *in the scan. Their price is right, but I've resumed having a regular processor develop the slides, then scan them myself on my trusty Microtek 35t. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 08:52:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:22:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:19:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980225081926.292f1d38@oregontrail.net> References: <<1998Feb23.182526.0>> Precedence: bulk should note that the film from them cannot be processed anywhere else as it's a special process to develop it. I was told it's movie film- rerolled? Doug Terry >Seatle Filmworks offer the photo on disk service. They also supply the >software for viewing the photos. > >Seatle Filmworks >Elliott Bay at Pier 89 >PO Box 34056 >Seattle WA 98124-9956 >(206)283-9074 > >Sandi ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 10:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: edenborough.com!tracwan From: tracwan@edenborough.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: painting glass Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.83439.0> Precedence: bulk Melanie: I would like to paint some 3D glass items and I would like it to be washable. Any suggestions?? Do you know anything about Silica Based Paint? Thanks Tracey tracwan@edenborough.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 12:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: white lines Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.104338.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike- One other afterthought about getting the lead really black - you might consider float soldering the lead and then trying the black patina- it should end up very black and shiny. It might not be worth the extra labor, but it's an alternative. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 14:26:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:52:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:47:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199802252152.VAA23163@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, My server has been down for 2 days, and I am only just now working my way through the about 200 or so e-mails accummulated. Phheww, no rest for the wicked!!!! Photographing stained glass has always been my great "bug-bear" and I have posted questions and frustrations in the past into Bungi-Group to that effect. Yet amongst my private e-mails in these last 48 hours I have several complimenting me on my photography, asking me "how I done it". I was taught basic photography by my husband 35 years ago. I had an old "Halina" camera then. My husband, somewhat older than myself, always was a keen photographer, and had the advantage of obtaining many helpful lessons, ideas and professional inputs from real world-class photographers during his almost 40-year career with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). Since my early days of trying to learn which end is which of a camera, I have graduated to a Pentax 35 mm camera; automatic OR manual. I tend to prefer the manual choice. I have a number of lenses, including a macro, narrow angle, wide angle and a zoom lense. The camera as such has - over the last 10 years or so given me some wonderful results. It wasn't cheap; it was bought tax-free in Hong-Kong, whereby my husband contributed a third, a friend another third and I myself the final third; THEN smuggled into UK.............. ;-) for my 40th Birthday. With stained glass I am beginning to realize that my problem has nothing to do with the camera, but with the type and/or make of film that I use and the film speed. This is where I am really getting confused and bothered. I am finding that I frequently have to go BACK and rephotographing a panel in situ. My BEST results are achieved when I can photograph something at HOME, before I install it; have total control and don't have the customer breathing down my neck. But photographing panels at home does often detract from the feeling, ambience of having created and made them for THAT specific site. I have been a Kodak user, tend to have gone for 100 ASA, occasionally a 200 ASA; once or twice 400 by mistake. I cannot afford a "professional photographer"! Comments on THESE aspect.....? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ItsAlison twists the bytes to say: ItsAlison> To Glenn and Gary and everyone else who has been so generous with answering my ItsAlison> camera questions.......thanks! I understand now what you have been saying, Hi fellow s-glassers, I just subscribed to the list and I am glad I found it. I got late to the discussion, but I'll add my $0.02. A good book on the subject is Photographing your Artwork, by Hart. Published by North Light Books, ISBN: 0891344497 The book appears to be out of print, but you'll might be lucky. In essence, I'd say the camera is not too relevant (as long as you have a reflex or superior camera). What's critical is lightning and avoidance of unwanted reflections (or transfer of unwanted light if you're photographing a against the light). The book discusses techniques for stained glass. if people are interested I can prepare a summary describing its advice. It is well worth it. It starts saying: "Stained glass is perhaps the trickiest kind of two-dimensional artwork to photograph, because it must be transilluminated." ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 14:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:53:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass panels in kitchen cabnets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:47:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199802252152.VAA23151@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dudley & Christie, et al, Some years ago now I made 6 leaded panels for cabinets in a kitchen (sorry, not on my WEB-page!) The cabinets themselves had been hand-made over 2-3 years, were floor to ceiling cabinets, incoporating in part work-benches. Each cabinet had inside fitted lighttube to illuminate the panels. The panels were about 18 x 40 inches - ALL of them except one (which was when I really learnt my lesson about religiously measuring EVERY single darned hole, 'cause I made this very one same as the others and consequently had to re-do it!!). I re-inforced each panel internally. The cabinet doors were fitted (at my insistence) with 2 extra hinges and the panels were fitted in wood mouldings with wooden beading (+ putty) into the holes.. I would certainly not consider using "clips", nor would I recommend them for kitchen cabinet usage. My 2 cents worth. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dudley wrote: gonna attempt to make and put in glass pannels in my parents kitchen cabn=et doors,any suggestions would be alot of help,Thanx Damon< Christie replied: Well, I've re-used the existing wooden interior molding to hold in the panel, and that worked wonderfully, since they were built to hold in regular float glass. I've seen some with glass clips which didn't look like they did the job very well, as the panel was beginning to sag down at the bottom. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 14:56:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lexan Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:47:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199802252152.VAA23158@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aw, Len, You make me feel better too!!!! I was a "stick-on" franchisee many moons ago. The franchisor went bust.... (..... and took my money with him......) I didn't have courage enough then to believe that my OWN stained glass would pay the mortgage. It doesn't.... but it does just about keeps the bailiff away from the door..... Keep smiling! El;isabeth 'n Toby in UK Thanks for tolerating my venting.......I feel better now :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 15:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:13:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: white lines Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:09:26 -0500 Message-ID: <199802252203.RAA25773@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Dani, > Hi Mike- > > One other afterthought about > getting the lead really black - you > might consider float soldering the > lead and then trying the black patina- What is float soldering? Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 15:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:00:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries27.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: best camera for photographing glass Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:01:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199802252301.SAA00678@aries27.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<199802252152.VAA23163@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Toby twistes the bytes to say: Toby> with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). Since my early days Toby> of trying to learn which end is which of a camera, I have graduated Toby> to a Pentax 35 mm camera; automatic OR manual. I tend to prefer the Toby> manual choice. I have a number of lenses, including a macro, narrow I agree with Elizabeth. You need a manual camera (or an automatic with manual mode). Most modern SLRs include this mode. Toby> With stained glass I am beginning to realize that my problem has Toby> nothing to do with the camera, but with the type and/or make of film Toby> that I use and the film speed. This is where I am really getting I would add experience. I believe that experience is what counts the most. Toby> confused and bothered. I am finding that I frequently have to go Toby> BACK and rephotographing a panel in situ. My BEST results are Toby> achieved when I can photograph something at HOME, before I install Toby> it; have total control and don't have the customer breathing down my Toby> neck. But photographing panels at home does often detract from the Toby> feeling, ambience of having created and made them for THAT specific Toby> site. Toby> I have been a Kodak user, tend to have gone for 100 ASA, occasionally Toby> a 200 ASA; once or twice 400 by mistake. I cannot afford a Toby> "professional photographer"! Comments on THESE aspect.....? I think that the reason that you get better results with ISO100 rather than 400 is the bigger latitude of the former film compared to the latter (I assume you don't make mistakes in exposure when using 400 that you don't make when using 100 film). ISO 100, in general and it depends on the manufacturer, has more room for error, especially in the overexposure side. The new AGFA HDC100 allows prints to be overexposed by up to 5 stops. Kodak is close to that. (I am assuming you're using negatives, not slides). I particularly dislike negs for these applications, because their colours are not as rich as in the slides and because it depends on the photofinisher. With negs you have to rely on the quality of the person behind the machine and how good a job wants to do with your particular prints. With slides, you remove the "middle-man" so to speak. My recommendation is to bracket by 2 or more stops on each direction, although it will depend on your particular setting. In general, the light meter of the camera will not give you a perfect reading. Experience tells you how much to compensate and in which direction for each job. Also, colour casting can be a major problem. I was browsing Mike web site --superb-- and I came accross the 911 sign he made. He claims the glass is white, but it looks yellow. That is a common symptom of using daylight balanced film under tungsten light. I might be wrong :) Toby> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK dmg -- Daniel M. German "Compared to the real life, even the best on-line "virtual spaces" The Economist -> are cartoons" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 15:55:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:22:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: taking apart a cemented panel Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <199802252313.SAA29759@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I have a cemented panel that I need to take apart. (two of the glass pieces are broken). How do I go about doing that? It seems I would have to melt the solder to disconnect the leadcame but how do I then get the glass pieces out of the lead channel? Thanks for any help! Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** "Black holes are where God divided by zero." Stephen Wright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 16:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:37:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199802252342.XAA11476@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, My server has been down for about 2 days.... so no mail through Bungi. My time is limited; I'm probably the typical scenario of "Ask a Busy Person...." Hungry for stained glass contacts/News and NO Bungi mail, I "surfed". It was quite interesting what I have found. It also helped to prepare me to say what I am about to say now. There are now quite a few strictly Questions & Answers Stained Glass Groups out there on the WEB; very cut and dried. If that is what YOU are looking for, then I will give the addresses to them at the end of this E-mail. If all you are looking for is a kind of a Reference Resource then that - perhaps - is better suited to YOUR Requirements. Bungi is a little bit different, a little bit special, to which Dave & Glenna try and imbue with an ethos of avoiding us "slaughtering" each other, using foul language, insults and destructiveness, using Bungi as a means of off-loading ill manners, tempers and intolerance. (Quite Right Too!), towing the line of relating our communications to Stained Glass. I had the great fortune of lurking, receiving and listening to Bungi very early on in its Birth, I very early on picked up on amazing people and personalities regular to Bungi and over a period of a few years now, there are a number of people in Bungi I would almost sell my soul for to meet, to work with to learn from and to share with. Even to the extent of wishing to share my my own home with. Through the banter, through the "slightly off-subject" exchanges, I HAVE been able in reality to do just THAT. Some of you have found a friend in me for LIFE, I in you also. Through Bungi, I have had visitors from South Africa, Canada and the USA. But we started off by touching a chord somewhere along the lines through our exchanges in Bungi Group. On so many levels we have started to know personal and intimate details of each other. There is nothing wrong in that. It helps us to communicate BETTER. We KNOW who the "grumpy" ones are, we know about the smokers, we know about each other's problems We know about Mike Savad, his dimples and his knowledge about Aliens; we know about Albert and his several "hats". We know about each other's pets, families, kids, handicaps. We even mourn and pay respect to unexpected deths (Bonnie - whom I remember very vividly myself). We used to have a period when we went to considerable trouble welcoming new subscribers from "exotic" parts. In this last month we have had several new contributions from Germany, France, India. I admit I was remiss in not posting my usual "Welcome" e-mail, but I should not be the only one to spot these new people. I too have a sort of a family life to sustain and maintain. I also have obligations and wishes to maintain and sustain a close relationship with the people "From Across The Pond" whom I have actually seen and touched physically. Everything I see and do is ultimately related to stained glass; I earn my living through it. Another human being can push all sorts of buttons within me on a human, personal , artistic level.. From my own contributions, even Toby has caused inspirations for OTHER people to create something in stained glass. We are primarily first and foremost Human Beings with all the strengths and frailties that this entails, then - perhaps we re male and female - then after that we are Americans, Canadians, Brits, Swedes, - or whatever; then we are working in Stained Glass..... To express, to work, to create, to realize Every and All of these various aspects need to be considered, excahnged, taught and learnt from. We are ALL very individualk personalities. For stained glass to really be growing and nurtured we need to have a very tender and accepting attitude about what makes a stained glass exponant. . I have noted in this last week some quite upset comments from a whole host of people thinking that we ought to toe the line of strictly Questions & Answer type Group. There has been some frustration expressed. Some disillusion. The energy, imagination, the life-force we all share in common, is just TOO strong for this restrictions. W In these last couple of years ior so, we really HAVE become too intimate, to much "knowing" of each other. The "Oldies" will just have to take onboard the continuum process of having to "prime" the New Entrants. Just look at the variety of stained Glass interpretations from Bungi People. !!! Strong convictions, strong life experiences, strong emotions; some of which borne out of 10-20-30-40 uyears or Living Life and expressing it through Stained Glass. Not only that! But there is a tremendeous energy in trying to nurture the new, up-and-coming-generation ,AWAY from copying, to help them create their OWN work, their OWN style ; their OWN sweat ( Please Note; I layed down and cringed when one posting asked for a "pre-cut" stained glass design.........) I have no fear of calling a spade a shovel - or starting a controversy. But I for ONE, Do want to know about what touches you, makes you tick, get you irritated, what you look like, how many kids you've got, how many dimples you have, your off days, your on days.. I have found wonderful personalities and stained glass exponants by digging away a little bit; someone who is virtually blind and still finds joy in creating glass; someone who is virtually crippled and paralyzed and moves about "fired" on by the love of stained glass and tghen creates some absolutelu exquisite stained glass....some wonderful examples of creativity, and so on and so on. ALL of this is an emotional response to the people in Bungi who are daring enough to reveal a little bit about themselves. That is Bungi. I believe in that. I live by that. If you feel different, here are other addresses where your needs may be better met: http://www.thestorefinder.com hetleys.co.uk.baseframe/forum.html Several others, but I am beginning to "droop" Interested??? OK Fine, then contact me OFF-Group. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 16:44:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:46:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass panels in kitchen cabnets Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:46:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.114611.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Dudley... I use both silicone and glazier points for cabinet doors...Actually once the silicone sets up it probably does most of the holding..I've notice on other folks work (yes I always check out the competition!) that many use silicone and just a few temporary finishing nails to hold it till it dries... I bought the glaziers stapler I use at Woodworkers Supply... It cost $60 or $70..Shoots both glaziers points and framers points for picture framing... Works great! If your just doing the one project tho temp nails would do the trick... Byron... >Dudley wrote: > gonna attempt to make >and put in glass pannels in my parents kitchen cabn=et >doors,any suggestions would be alot of help,Thanx Damon< > >Christie replied: >Well, I've re-used the existing wooden interior molding to hold in >the panel, and that worked wonderfully, since they were built to >hold in regular float glass. > >I've seen some with glass clips which didn't look like they >did the job very well, as the panel was beginning >to sag down at the bottom. >---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 17:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: white lines Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:17:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802260017.TAA14680@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk >Hi Mike, > >If you want the lead black add black oxide to the cementing compound >your using. The more black oxide the blacker the mixture. >A day after cementing take a large tampico bristle brush/no synthetic brushes, >the harder you buff the shiner and darker the lead will become. >If you want it the shine to remain, you can coat it with Everlast (which is probably a >varnish sealer...nothing on the label explains what it is.) This will coat or seal the lead >while it establishes its own patina. This stops the white effect that you so often see growing on the lead. Also it stops it from becoming dull. > >Hope this helps.. > >my best, >pj > > > >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 17:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:26:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: taking apart a cemented panel Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:28:41 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Hi all! > >I have a cemented panel that I need to take apart. (two of the glass >pieces are broken). How do I go about doing that? It seems I would have >to melt the solder to disconnect the leadcame but how do I then get the >glass pieces out of the lead channel? > >Thanks for any help! > >Dany A long soak in hot water will soften up just about any cement. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 18:04:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:54:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: white lines Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.145318.0> Precedence: bulk Hi pj- Do you guys cement the windows you put in insulated units? We have horrendous problems with that and don't (not that we do too much of that anyway - really discourage it when asked.) I'm wondering how much climate affects the practice. Best regards, Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 18:18:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:55:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:mail@northlights.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: white lines Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:53:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.145325.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- Might work - though Michael thinks even just using lamp black and a wad of horsehair might still cause problems in the insulated unit. The dilemna here is the insulated unit and the environment within the seal, you see, and how if interacts with lead (especially lead - zinc or brass = wouldn't be so bad). Float soldering means applying a thin layer of solder over the entire surface of the lead. Why? Well, we do it on occasion when a customer wants copper channel (like for Arts & Crafts style cabinets), but doesn't care to pay the price. If the lead is soldered it will take a nice coppery = patina. Yes, it's a royal pain, but still cheaper than the real thing. Would probably also work for Mike Simpson who needs really, really black lead but can't employ the traditional cement technique. Black patina would probably do better on that surface. On a related topic, have any of you ever used Came Liner? Would like some feedback on the product. TIA. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 18:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:01:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Pattern Cutting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 18:52:36 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.25236.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All!, Thanks again for answering my putty question! Now I have another one. I am cutting a pattern, and am wondering, on the very outside edge (would be the border). Do I use the pattern shears, or do I use regular scissors? I hope this is descriptive enough, cuz I can'= t think of any other way to describe it!.. To get a little chatty here.. = We are having the craziest weather, it's lightning and thundering and hailin= g, and coming right behind it is a blizzard! Laurean Eph 4:32 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 18:40:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:06:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:01:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199802260106.BAA26570@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk P.S. Sorry about the many typographical errors One final shot on this subject; By the Grace of God I can SEE, I am fit; I am active; I Live Life to a disgusting level. I should Not. I don't deserve it. I abuse it. 20 years go I a fought a life & death struggle to retain the Gift of Sight (as a result of a rather horrendeous drug-related "mugging") So I know how to SEE, I love LIFE, I love Colours. So when someone e-mails me after I have watched their stained glass for about 12-18 months to tell me that they are virtually blind, I sit up and take notice....... I see joyous, delightful, fun stained glass and am then told that the creator is paralyzed as a result of falling through a TERMITE ridden roof; a broken spine, a broken back, a Life full of pain killers and screen-fulls of fun stained glass. The knowledge of this has been very much "needled" out. I have no time for "get-rich-quick-merchants" And so I will forever turn out to be a Cat Amongst the Pigeons. Now and then I will actually make demands on Newbies to THINK,.... Bungi is full of wonderful talent; Bungi will make many personasl nd emotional points and statements and revealing of the person behind it all. And.... shit.... don't YOU make demands of ME!!!! That's Bungi! If you don't like it, there are other alternatives., OFF Soap-Box !!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 18:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:33:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chartres- WOW Response !!!I repeat: Main Page, look for CLASSES Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199802260132.BAA30981@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk ThaNK YOU, THANK YOU- THANK YOU. I wasn't apportioning ANY blame!!! My Server has been on the blink for about 48 hours. Thank you and WILL reply to EACH and EVERY one!!!! I repeat: Main Page; click on "classes" (half-way down on Home=Page), then on "Clifton" ; then at the bottom of that page, click on reference to "Chartres". Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 19:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:57:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: Kris To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:50:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.155027.0> References: <<199802252342.XAA11476@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk What a wonderful letter! I'm rather new here and have just been lurking and listening. I've learned SO much from you all. Yes, your various personalities do come through your writing. What I love the best is your willingness to give any and all help, and your obvious love for the art of glass. You are all an inspiration to me as people and artists! Kris (very much an amateur from FL, USA, with a hubby and 2 daughters, who has been dreaming about glass cause she had to take a couple weeks off to do some house fix ups. grrrr!) Toby wrote: > > Dear Bunginians, > > My server has been down for about 2 days.... so no mail through > Bungi. My time is limited; I'm probably the typical scenario of "Ask > a Busy Person...." > Hungry for stained glass contacts/News and NO Bungi mail, I "surfed". > It was quite interesting what I have found. It also helped to prepare > me to say what I am about to say now. > > There are now quite a few strictly Questions & Answers Stained Glass > Groups out there on the WEB; very cut and dried. If that is what YOU > are looking for, then I will give the addresses to them at the end of > this E-mail. If all you are looking for is a kind of a Reference > Resource then that - perhaps - is better suited to YOUR Requirements. > > Bungi is a little bit different, a little bit special, to which Dave > & Glenna try and imbue with an ethos of avoiding us "slaughtering" > each other, using foul language, insults and destructiveness, using > Bungi as a means of off-loading ill manners, tempers and intolerance. > (Quite Right Too!), towing the line of relating our communications to > Stained Glass. > > I had the great fortune of lurking, receiving and listening to Bungi > very early on in its Birth, I very early on picked up on amazing > people and personalities regular to Bungi and over a period of a few > years now, there are a number of people in Bungi I would almost sell > my soul for to meet, to work with to learn from and to share with. > Even to the extent of wishing to share my my own home with. Through > the banter, through the "slightly off-subject" exchanges, I HAVE been > able in reality to do just THAT. Some of you have found a friend in > me for LIFE, I in you also. Through Bungi, I have had visitors from > South Africa, Canada and the USA. > But we started off by touching a chord somewhere along the lines > through our exchanges in Bungi Group. > On so many levels we have started to know personal and intimate > details of each other. > There is nothing wrong in that. It helps us to communicate BETTER. > We KNOW who the "grumpy" ones are, we know about the smokers, we know > about each other's problems We know about Mike Savad, his dimples and > his knowledge about Aliens; we know about Albert and his several > "hats". We know about each other's pets, families, kids, handicaps. > We even mourn and pay respect to unexpected deths (Bonnie - whom I > remember very vividly myself). We used to have a period when we went > to considerable trouble welcoming new subscribers from "exotic" > parts. In this last month we have had several new contributions from > Germany, France, India. I admit I was remiss in not posting my usual > "Welcome" e-mail, but I should not be the only one to spot these new > people. I too have a sort of a family life to sustain and maintain. > I also have obligations and wishes to maintain and sustain a close > relationship with the people "From Across The Pond" whom I have > actually seen and touched physically. > > Everything I see and do is ultimately related to stained glass; I > earn my living through it. Another human being can push all sorts of > buttons within me on a human, personal , artistic level.. From my own > contributions, even Toby has caused inspirations for OTHER people to > create something in stained glass. > We are primarily first and foremost Human Beings with all the > strengths and frailties that this entails, then - perhaps we re male > and female - then after that we are Americans, Canadians, Brits, > Swedes, - or whatever; then we are working in Stained Glass..... > To express, to work, to create, to realize Every and All of these > various aspects need to be considered, excahnged, taught and learnt > from. We are ALL very individualk personalities. For stained glass to > really be growing and nurtured we need to have a very tender and > accepting attitude about what makes a stained glass exponant. . > > I have noted in this last week some quite upset comments from a whole > host of people thinking that we ought to toe the line of strictly > Questions & Answer type Group. There has been some frustration > expressed. Some disillusion. The energy, imagination, the life-force > we all share in common, is just TOO strong for this restrictions. W > In these last couple of years ior so, we really HAVE become too > intimate, to much "knowing" of each other. > The "Oldies" will just have to take onboard the continuum process of > having to "prime" the New Entrants. > > Just look at the variety of stained Glass interpretations from Bungi > People. !!! > Strong convictions, strong life experiences, strong emotions; some of > which borne out of 10-20-30-40 uyears or Living Life and expressing > it through Stained Glass. > > Not only that! But there is a tremendeous energy in trying to nurture > the new, up-and-coming-generation ,AWAY from copying, to help them > create their OWN work, their OWN style ; their OWN sweat ( Please > Note; I layed down > and cringed when one posting asked for a "pre-cut" stained glass > design.........) > > I have no fear of calling a spade a shovel - or starting a > controversy. > But I for ONE, Do want to know about what touches you, makes you > tick, get you irritated, what you look like, how many kids you've > got, how many dimples you have, your off days, your on days.. I have > found wonderful personalities and stained glass exponants by digging > away a little bit; someone who is virtually blind and still finds > joy in creating glass; someone who is virtually crippled and > paralyzed and moves about "fired" on by the love of stained glass > and tghen creates some absolutelu exquisite stained glass....some > wonderful examples of creativity, and so on and so on. ALL of > this is an emotional response to the people in Bungi who are daring > enough to reveal a little bit about themselves. > That is Bungi. > I believe in that. > I live by that. > > If you feel different, here are other addresses where your needs may > be better met: > > http://www.thestorefinder.com > hetleys.co.uk.baseframe/forum.html > > Several others, but I am beginning to "droop" > Interested??? OK Fine, then contact me OFF-Group. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 19:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:05:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Fwd: Pattern Cutting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 22:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: <199802260303.WAA25357@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Laurean wrote: >I am cutting a pattern, and am wondering, on the very outside edge (would be the border). Do I use the pattern shears, or do I use regular scissors? Suzanne: Laurean, you use regular scissors around the very outside edge of a pattern. As a matter of fact you could use regular scissors for the whole pattern if you want. It's easier, you might have to grind a bit more but works just as well I have discovered. Where are you, with this strange weather? Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 20:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:10:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: Alcista To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.165156.0> References: <<3.0.5.16.19980225081926.292f1d38@oregontrail.net>> Precedence: bulk York Photo Labs and Revco will develop Seattle Film. Sandi ;-) Douglas R. Terry wrote: > should note that the film from them cannot be processed anywhere else as > it's a special process to develop it. I was told it's movie film- rerolled? > Doug Terry > > >Seatle Filmworks offer the photo on disk service. They also supply the > >software for viewing the photos. > > > >Seatle Filmworks > >Elliott Bay at Pier 89 > >PO Box 34056 > >Seattle WA 98124-9956 > >(206)283-9074 > > > >Sandi ;-) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 20:13:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:24:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:22:54 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I love hearing stories about how glass makes us feel. I love to hear about how people get as frustrated as I when a piece just isn't working. I like to know who I am talking to and listening to. I'd far rather listen to a real person with feelings and opinions and habits and jobs and families than look up a question to find an answer. <> But I for ONE, Do want to know about what touches you, makes you tick, get you irritated, what you look like, how many kids you've got, how many dimples you have, your off days, your on days.. I have found wonderful personalities and stained glass exponants by digging away a little bit; someone who is virtually blind and still finds joy in creating glass; someone who is virtually crippled and paralyzed and moves about "fired" on by the love of stained glass and tghen creates some absolutelu exquisite stained glass....some wonderful examples of creativity, and so on and so on. ALL of this is an emotional response to the people in Bungi who are daring enough to reveal a little bit about themselves. That is Bungi. I believe in that. I live by that. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 21:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:25:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199802260426.XAA00478@csgPPPproxy1.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hello Bunginians, I am new to the list. I found it by browsing Mike's web site and I am glad I did. I have posted a couple of times without a proper introduction. This message attemps to fill that gap. My first impression of this list, as a stained glass newbie that I am, was of surprise to see so many store names in the signatures of the different contributions. I felt I might not belong here, that this list was for real pros. I was sort of overwhelmed. I have always liked stained glass. I love churches, which is kind of contradictory since I am sort of agnostic. I love them as temples attesting our past and as examples of the beauty human kind is able to create. Needless to say, their windows have been captivating me for years. No church I enter I will not stop to see its windows, that depic usual religious acts, abstract designs, or even commemorate the men in the Moon (as is the case with the Washington Natianal Cathedral). Stained glass windows have always been a subject of my photography. For a long time I petted with the idea or learning how to do it. I always thought it was a difficult and expensive craft. Then I noticed that the local college offered courses. I did my homework and decided it was for me. I started 2 months ago and as you very well assume, I love it. I have only made one decent panel and I am now buildind my first vase. I have created and used my own patterns (as Toby/Elizabeth explains, I am trying to find my own personal style) and I am planning to publish them in the homepage and make them freely available. My panel is inspired in a detail of a window by Marc Chagall in the Chicago Art Institute --American Window, if I recall correctly, of which you can find a photo in my homepage. I had always admired Chagall's work (not only glass, but also painting) and I am not trying to copy his work, but rather find inspiration in it. I live in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I am a graduate student trying to complete my PhD in COmputer Science --soon, I hope. Stained Glass is trying to unleash the --little-- creativity that I might have. I feel I am finding somebody who I did not know exists inside me. I am glad. I hope to be able to contribute in whatever is at my reach and I hope that, at the same time, you have patience while I endure the learning curve of the trade. I am starting to feel I am part of this guild, even if I am not planning to make it more than my artistic pasttime instead of a way of live (as it is the case with many of you). But, who knows, my craft side might very well take over my intelectual side. For many years the former was overshadowed by the latter; recently the former is gaining ground. Toby/Elizabeth made feel welcomed into a warm, cozy place and I thanked them for that. dmg -- Daniel M. German "The truth exists Georges Braque -> --only fictions are invented" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 21:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:57:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: To foil or not to foil... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.22570.0> Precedence: bulk Got a question... I'm working on a piece that is about 20" square with a center circular design measuring 10 1/2" diameter with lots of small pieces that I'm foiling. Beyond that is a grid made up of 3 1/2"x4 1/2" squares and then a border of rectangular pieces. My question is: should I construct the grid and border part of the piece with lead or should I continue to foil as in the center part, including reinforcement. Thanks in advance for your input. Lyn P.S. Well said, Elisabeth. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 22:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:01:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Fwd: Pattern Cutting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 22:51:54 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.65154.0> References: <<199802260303.WAA25357@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Hi Susan, and thanks for the advice! I live in Northwest Iowa. Where are you? Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 22:16:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:01:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.5140.0> Precedence: bulk Well said, Elisabeth! I agree. I've learned not only about glass here, but about these people and I've come to care about many of them. Not just because they do glass. But because they are people worthy of respect and our attention and when we are able to, our help and support. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 22:21:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:07:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 22:57:49 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.65749.0> References: <<199802252342.XAA11476@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I agree with you 100%. Knowing little things about people makes sitting in front of this computer more bearable! And now when I see a message from Mike, I'll be thinking of his dimples! HA! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 22:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:47:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: dmm@chescom.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:46:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.5469.0> Precedence: bulk Amen ! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 23:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.17103.0> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk I've been sitting around cleaning my studio up from my most recent project and letting my mind run rampant in anticipation of some new glass, new work, clean bench, etc. While I was mentally meandering, I was thinking about a previous discussion regarding the cutting of glass when it was cold, when it was warm, and when it was "heated to facilitate cutting". I have some additional questions which were never brought up or addressed in the previous discussion that I thought I'd like to toss out there for others to chew on and to introduce our many newcomers to some of the personalities here. 1) Isn't the molecular structure of glass that of a liquid in a frozen state? 2) If the answer to #1 is yes, then try this out: take a very, very cold ice cube and try to ACCURATELY split it down the middle after scoring (scratching) it lightly with a sharp implement resembling an ice pick; and THEN try the same procedure on an ice cube that has been allowed to warm up just a bit in a heated room. Which comes closest to being more accurate? 3) In cold a liquid contracts and in heat it expands, correct? If you take another very, very, cold ice cube and while it's freshly cold score it well- then drop it into a glass of warmish water. Does it split/fracture? Does it split/fracture relatively accurately? Any objective opinions here? Other experiments to try? The 5th through 8th grade classes at the school where I teach computer resource part-time came up with some very interesting suggestions which I'm going to field test. After their ideas have been trialed I may send along some of the results if anyone else is interested. These classes couldn't really had a difficult time understanding the scientific properties of glass, but once they got it they were unstoppable in their comparisons and rather imaginative in hypotheses!! Adieu~ V T Phelps Shoreline Glassowrks, Ltd. "Good luck and remember Mr Phelps, that if you or any of your IMF team should be caught..." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 25 23:45:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:04:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.6435.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I was deeply touched by what you wrote. Although you hit a nerve when you stated you "cringed" when someone ( me) , said they wished for pre-cut patterns. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, I will respect our differences. I have been doing stained glass for 9 years. I learned everything I know from library books. When I started out, I just knew I loved the craft and I would do anything to learn. But there wasn't anyone around the area that sold, or taught for that matter. I had to drive to B'ham (about 90 min) to buy supplies. I have learned over the years mostly by trial and error. I know I don't do everything right, but I do the best I can!! I must say, the bungi group has been the greatest thing I have found. The people are very helpful. Personal stuff... I'm 32, from North Alabama. I work full time in a custom framing shop. I have 2 cats,12 horses, and 1 husband, Carl. Newbie~ Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 00:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Test Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:42:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.74246.0> Precedence: bulk Want to see if this goes through ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 04:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Mike Simpson Subject: Re: Bevel clusters Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:11:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.111116.0> References: <<199802230827.IAA00393@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Mike, Try Kansa Craft who have been very helpful in supplying non standard bevels to me. Decorative glass supplies seem to be able to deliver good bevels too. But don't expect rapid delivery of non-standard bevel clusters, as they mostly come from the far east. In message <199802230827.IAA00393@jackel.demon.co.uk>, Mike Simpson writes >I have recently landed a small contract to supply leaded glass >panels for sealed unit double glazing units. (O.K., it's a lousy >job - but somebody has to do it) Most of the panels are in >variations of textured clear glass with bevel clusters and I am >having difficulties in finding decent bevel clusters. ....... snip..... -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 06:05:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:35:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To foil or not to foil... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:36:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.13628.0> References: <<1998Feb25.22570.0>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > Got a question... > > I'm working on a piece that is about 20" square with a center circular > design measuring 10 1/2" diameter with lots of small pieces that I'm > foiling. Beyond that is a grid made up of 3 1/2"x4 1/2" squares and then > a border of rectangular pieces. My question is: should I construct the > grid and border part of the piece with lead or should I continue to foil > as in the center part, including reinforcement. Thanks in advance for > your input. > > Lyn > > P.S. Well said, Elisabeth. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Lyn, I've mixed cames with foiled work many times. It always seems to turn out much better than I anticipated. Consider using a few different types of came, rounds and flats for example. Consider a 3/8" or even 1/2" flat lead came to get a strong visual near the border, or to accentuate some bevels ...... and keep the busy work in foil. It'll turn out just fine. Mike Peck Sunnit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 06:29:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:00:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.202.0> References: <<1998Feb25.17103.0>> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > > 1) Isn't the molecular structure of glass that of a liquid in a frozen > state? > I'm not a chemist, but have taken a few courses. Glass is amorphous, which simply means that it does not crystalize. Solids are defined as substances that maintain a crystaline structure. When liquids freeze, they crystalize ...... glass never forms a crystal structure....... so I don't think it's correct to say that the structure of glass is that of a liquid in a frozen state. > 2) If the answer to #1 is yes, then try this out: take a very, very cold > ice cube and try to ACCURATELY split it down the middle after scoring > (scratching) it lightly with a sharp implement resembling an ice pick; > and THEN try the same procedure on an ice cube that has been allowed to > warm up just a bit in a heated room. Which comes closest to being more > accurate? > I think that temperature is a big factor in the dynamics of soilds. Colder objects tend to have less internal energy, they tend to be more brittle, take less flexing to cause a break, etc. You don't need an ice cube to check this out, you could do the same thing with a brick, or a dalle. > 3) In cold a liquid contracts and in heat it expands, correct? If you > take another very, very, cold ice cube and while it's freshly cold score > it well- then drop it into a glass of warmish water. Does it > split/fracture? Does it split/fracture relatively accurately? > Never tried this out, but I guess it would split or fracture pretty quickly. Let me know how it turns out! > Any objective opinions here? Other experiments to try? The 5th through > 8th grade classes at the school where I teach computer resource > part-time came up with some very interesting suggestions which I'm going > to field test. After their ideas have been trialed I may send along some > of the results if anyone else is interested. These classes couldn't > really had a difficult time understanding the scientific properties of > glass, but once they got it they were unstoppable in their comparisons > and rather imaginative in hypotheses!! > It's great to hear about your interest in kids. The only additional thing I could suggest is that you explain for them the difference in glass structure between clear float glass and tempered glass. Give them a demonstration on how these two different structures of glass break differently. Wear safety glasses! Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 06:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:35:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ouch! Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.3341.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Maureen: >I have been working a panel in lead (my first love), and my fingertips a= re smarting. I was wondering if anyone does/doesn't wear gloves when buildi= ng a panel. If so what kind... I really need my fingertips to feel teeny tin= y pulses, veins and arteries on my day job...any suggestions? tips? (pun intended).< When do you notice your fingertips start to hurt? During insertion of the glass into the lead channels? During puttying? During whiting? Christie A. Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 08:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:06:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980226090322.006a279c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Group... I am enjoying the mail recently on the list, very glassy! And yes, I do enjoy hearing the personal notes that make this list a little different than the question and answer groups. I expect that many of us are somewhat gun shy about personal notes after being "grounded" recently and I also expect that with the new format a lot of the personal notes are being sent directly to the addressee rather than through the list. This brings me to my more recent observation of this list. It seems that the questions are far more visible than the responses. My guess is that a lot of the responses are being replied to privately. We stand to lose a lot of information this way. I noted that most of the responses that I got with my soldering problem were directed to my address rather than the list. I have done this myself. I certainly hope that even if the questions/comments provoke a little opinionated (but civil) responses we continue to post directly to the list and share all the wonderful information for which I have become additicted. Has anyone else noted this? Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 08:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:14:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:11:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.141127.0> Precedence: bulk Toby, This was very touching........I loved every word of it!!!!!:>) Eventhough I am a very new entrant (4 months or so), I feel a cyber-kinship and can read the personalities that spew from the posts......I agree with you, wholeheartedly. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 08:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:54:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cat amongst the Pigeons Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:51:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb25.235135.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk What a beautifully said sentiment, Elizabeth 'n Toby. I mostly lurk on Bungi but I feel that I have become to "know" some of the contributors and what makes them "tick". Being the individuals that we all are is what make our art unique and special. Hurray for individualism. Even though I have been in the business for 17 years I learn new things from my fellow bungians all the time and I very much appreciate the input. I even learn new things from my students--they may come up with a new approach to a problem and it turns out to be a better solution, in stained glass, than the way I was taught. I always welcome new and innovative ideas in the art that we are all so passionate about. Now I will climb down off the old soapbox before I fall and hurt myself. Thank you Elizabeth. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 08:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:42:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199802261441.JAA06600@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi there, > 3) In cold a liquid contracts and in heat it expands, correct? If you Water is an exception to this rule. At some point (around 4 degrees --Celsius-- if I am not mistaken) the water starts to expand again. Two events are a clear indication of this effect: a) Icebergs. If ice was denser than liquid water, the iceberg will sink. b) Bottles of liquids in the freezer --which, if left long enough, explode. -- Daniel M. German "I see no good reason why the views given in this volume should shock the religious Charles Darwin -> feelings of anyone." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 09:05:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:44:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Dani Greer <"Greer Studios"@compuserve.com>, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cameliner Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.44256.0> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Dani! I used Cameliner once in a large window 48" x 48" and was not at all happy with its performance. Though it snuggled up the glass a little bit, it did not add the necessary strnegth that cementing does. I used copper stripping and rebar in that piece to give it *body*. . .and I never used Cameliner again. Perhaps on a smaller panel it would suffice. Just my opinion. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 09:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:18:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To foil or not to foil... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:12:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199802261517.PAA19043@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, With other words, to combine foil & lead, or not to combine...? Go ahead - says I. No reason at all why you should not combine the 2. Would even make for added interest. I occasionally do just that; e.g. the Oxford C-o-A in the St.Francis Panel on my web-site is a copper-foil piece inserted into a leaded panel. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. .... Thank you Lyn Lyn wrote: Got a question... I'm working on a piece that is about 20" square with a center circular design measuring 10 1/2" diameter with lots of small pieces that I'm foiling. Beyond that is a grid made up of 3 1/2"x4 1/2" squares and then a border of rectangular pieces. My question is: should I construct the grid and border part of the piece with lead or should I continue to foil as in the center part, including reinforcement. Thanks in advance for your input. P.S. Well said, Elisabeth. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 09:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Vaguely SG..... A Sample.. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:12:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199802261517.PAA19040@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I am quoting below a little sample of the type of e-mail I found in astonishing abundance this morning when I finally crept out of bed...... ;-) To All Newbies and Anyone else worried about what response you might get from Bunginians: there are literally HUNDREDS of wonderful poeople out there, I KNOW, I have even met some of them myself - against all odds. Don't get frightened off by illtempered "rat-bags"!! Just dip your toe in the water and join in. There are plenty of us who will keep those "nasty sharks" at bay..... And thank you "MD" for the following: I'm new to Bungi, and have a strong sense that there are some truly delightfull people who are a part of it, after reading your incredibly sensitive and caring post. It was very uplifting for me to know that your kind of caring is out there. Keep cutting.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 09:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:22:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Photography Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:19:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.01921.0> Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk I have been reading all the input about photographing stained glass and at the risk of sounding really stupid I must ask a question. Doesn't the Kodak Royal Gold, ASA 400, work good? That is what I have been using because it is supposed to work in all lighting situations. I also can have it developed to 3.5 floppy for the computer. When I have it developed on disk I get disk, negatives, plus prints. I really would like to know more about the photography aspect so as to get the best pictures possible. Thanks guys. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 10:11:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:52:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Intro. Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 09:44:09 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.17449.0> Precedence: bulk Well, seeing eveyone else is introducing themselves, I might as well too! As you know, I am Laurean. I am married to Val. We have 4 children Brianna, Vicki, Eli, and Helen. We have 2 dogs Fish and Chips. I am a stay at home mom, and homeschool. We are also fixing up an old house in town (we live in the country) and are building a new house behind this old one. I have been doing glass for 5 years. And NEVER have enough time for it! Glass is my passion. Its real funny how it = turned out to be this way. My hubbys big dream is to move to Alaska, go to Bib= le college (to become a preacher) (I can't see me as a preachers wife!), pan for gold in the summer, and build windows in the winter. Nice dream huh? So we both took classes from a guy, and I am the one doing it. I have = sold two panels, and consider that a great achievment! :-) That's about it! Laurean Eph 4:32 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 10:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 08:58:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Feb25.17103.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I've been sitting around cleaning my studio up from my most recent > project and letting my mind run rampant in anticipation of some new > glass, new work, clean bench, etc. While I was mentally meandering, I > was thinking about a previous discussion regarding the cutting of glass > when it was cold, when it was warm, and when it was "heated to > facilitate cutting". > > I have some additional questions which were never brought up or > addressed in the previous discussion that I thought I'd like to toss out > there for others to chew on and to introduce our many newcomers to some > of the personalities here. > > 1) Isn't the molecular structure of glass that of a liquid in a frozen > state? not quite. i posted an explanation about this maybe a year ago? should be in the archives, or i could try to dig it out again. > > 3) In cold a liquid contracts and in heat it expands, correct? If you > take another very, very, cold ice cube and while it's freshly cold score > it well- then drop it into a glass of warmish water. Does it > split/fracture? Does it split/fracture relatively accurately? again, not really. some things don't. water, for instance, shrinks until 4C, and then expands as it gets colder. ever freeze a filled glass bottle (bottle of wine in the freezer (don't ask me how i know this))? > Adieu~ > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassowrks, Ltd. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 10:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: lynb@gnt.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To foil or not to foil... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:05:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.16549.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lyn, I would use lead came for your grid work simply because it will give you a more uniform (straighter) line, and the two methods are easily mixed.you can use a similiar size came or for a more dramatic effect you can use a larger came to make it stand out a little.In a 20"x20" if you putty the lead came and border your project with 3/8 or 1/2 in." zinc I don't feel that you would need to do any other type of reinforcement,between the zinc and the putty this should add plenty of strength to the window.Beveler4@aol.com(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 10:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Barbara" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 10:25:38 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.182538.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980226090322.006a279c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Hi Barbara, What I do is hit the reply all button, and it goes directly to you, and to bungi. If I want to reply privately, then I hit the reply author. Laurean ---------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 10:54:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:05:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980226090539.2b5f15b2@oregontrail.net> Precedence: bulk yes iv've seen this and think its to sad. you are very right doug terry his brings me to my more recent observation of this list. It seems that >the questions are far more visible than the responses. My guess is that a >lot of the responses are being replied to privately. We stand to lose a >lot of information this way. I noted that most of the responses that I got >with my soldering problem were directed to my address rather than the list. >I have done this myself. > I certainly hope that even if the questions/comments provoke a little >opinionated (but civil) responses we continue to post directly to the list >and share all the wonderful information for which I have become additicted. > Has anyone else noted this? > >Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 11:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Barbara Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:04:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.7412.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980226090322.006a279c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Good Morning Group... > I am enjoying the mail recently on the list, very glassy! And yes, I do > enjoy hearing the personal notes that make this list a little different > than the question and answer groups. I expect that many of us are somewhat > gun shy about personal notes after being "grounded" recently and I also > expect that with the new format a lot of the personal notes are being sent > directly to the addressee rather than through the list. > This brings me to my more recent observation of this list. It seems that > the questions are far more visible than the responses. My guess is that a > lot of the responses are being replied to privately. We stand to lose a > lot of information this way. I noted that most of the responses that I got > with my soldering problem were directed to my address rather than the list. > I have done this myself. > I certainly hope that even if the questions/comments provoke a little > opinionated (but civil) responses we continue to post directly to the list > and share all the wonderful information for which I have become additicted. > Has anyone else noted this? > > Barbara > ---- oh yeah, i personally complained about it, when it was first put in. i mainly stated that it's now a newsgroup and not a listserv. what would happen is that people will automatically hit re:mail, and after it's sent you then find out that you sent it to 1 person and not everyone. and doing it re:all means that you get 2 or more pieces of mail. quite a few times i got mail from one person to another person with the bungi sig at the bottom... it would be alot better if it was changed back to the way it was... i'm not sure why it was changed to this format in the first place. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 11:35:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:48:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bc.sympatico.ca!tuka From: Doug & Shiela Dunn To: SusieHUs@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:48:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.04852.0> References: <<1998Feb26.5140.0>> Organization: Shiela A. Dunn, C.G.A. Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > > Well said, Elisabeth! > > I agree. I've learned not only about glass here, but about these people and > I've come to care about many of them. Not just because they do glass. But > because they are people worthy of respect and our attention and when we are > able to, our help and support. > >RIGHT ON !! Susie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 11:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:52:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: General reply issues Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Two people on the list have commented to me now that they would welcome a return to the "old form" of the list, where replies were auto-directed to the list, rather than the individual. All mail programs have the ability to do a "replyall" feature, which will copy the list on all replies. None the less, I am sympathetic to those that would enjoy this feature. I participate in both types of mailing lists. Both types have problems, it is a matter of choosing the appropriate format for the glass list. Please address your comments to me privately, as I'm not on the glass list... I already receive over 700 mail messages per day. Thanks much! Dave Rand ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 11:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:09:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pattern Search Assistance-Thank you Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:09:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199802261759.JAA14757@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Harold, Across the oceans, around the world, we never know where our help will come from. Thanks to you (and Bungi) I have begun work on the new project for my daughter. Thank you so very much for all your most gracious help. I appreciate the time you took (in this busy world) to assist me. How lucky we are to have Bungi. Without Bungi I never would have found your web site and you. Jean jean@lasercom.net (NOTE: Listers, if you haven't gone to this German site, do check it out. He even has some free download patterns.) ------------------- > >From: Bastelzauber > > > >http://www.bastelzauber.com/ > >Muenster/Germany > > >Tel 0049 251 42320 > >fax 0049 251 42322 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 12:20:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Photography Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 10:55:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Feb26.01921.0>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I have been reading all the input about photographing stained glass and > at the risk of sounding really stupid I must ask a question. Doesn't > the Kodak Royal Gold, ASA 400, work good? That is what I have been > using because it is supposed to work in all lighting situations. I also > can have it developed to 3.5 floppy for the computer. When I have it > developed on disk I get disk, negatives, plus prints. I really would > like to know more about the photography aspect so as to get the best > pictures possible. Thanks guys. > Dianne Maddison in photography, slower is almost always better, or it used to be that way for a long time. better grain, better color saturation. however that brings up problems, like you need more light, longer exposures, tripod, etc. some of the newer films seem to break this rule as the manufacturers are developing (pun not intended) better film stock. what i want to know about is: what's the deal with kodak color max? from the ads (ad nauseum during the US olympic broadcasts) and from reading the box, it doesn't seem to have an asa rating? --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 12:53:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:37:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cameliner Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.93456.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Nadine Beth Schneider, INTERNET:nadinesfolly@erols.com DATE: 2/26/98 12:15 PM RE: Cameliner Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id MAA27328; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:44:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Dani Greer <"Greer Studios"@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Subject: Cameliner Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.44256.0> Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reply, Nadine, and I'm forwarding it to the group so that Mike Simpson also gets your opinions. I suggested it to him as a possibility for his insulated unit project in which he cannot use cement. We've never used the stuff - sounds terribly time-consuming. Hi Dani! I used Cameliner once in a large window 48" x 48" and was not at all happy with its performance. Though it snuggled up the glass a little bit, it did not add the necessary strnegth that cementing does. I used copper stripping and rebar in that piece to give it *body*. . .and I never used Cameliner again. Perhaps on a smaller panel it would suffice. Just my opinion. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 13:01:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:37:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: solder problems Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.9355.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Barbara, INTERNET:bjs10@cornell.edu TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 2/25/98 11:43 PM RE: Re: solder problems Sender: bjs10@cornell.edu Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [= 132.236.56.7]) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id XAA04203 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:43:25 -0500 (EST)= Received: from cu-dialup.cit.cornell.edu (TRIBE4.CAMPUSLIFE.CORNELL.EDU [= 128.253.168.144]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23509 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:43:23 -0500 (EST)= Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980225234116.006a5d08@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu= > X-Sender: bjs10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) -- [Cornell Modi= fied] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:41:16 -0500 To: "Michael J. Greer" From: Barbara Subject: Re: solder problems In-Reply-To: <199802251953_MC2-34B0-FAFA@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Hi Barbara- I'm posting the following about zinc reacting with solder an= d = causing soldering problems because I think the whole group would be inter= ested. (and I promise to show greater respect for Michael's lectures no matter h= ow crazy they sound!) Hi Dani, Don't look now but, Michael is right... according to Hank's response. I= have copied the information he sent me below. BTW... I bought a new iron= , starting to solder this evening a snapped a piece of glass, in the center= of the piece of course. This project is doomed !! Michael... I hope you enjoy this : First we are going to cover melting points of the metals use in soldering. Lead 327.4C Tin 231.9C Zinc 419.5C The values are for the pure solid. Impurities in either would lower the melting point. Eutectic, is from the Greek word, "easily melted". Having zinc in contact with the solder would raise the melting point. Which in turn would require a hotter iron. Zinc reacts slowly with ammonia, a fragment of your flux, ammonium chloride. This could be the cause of fouling on the soldering tools. Cleaning the tools as suggested should remedy the problem. At 07:53 PM 2/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Barbara- > >I would be interested in any info >your friend might have .... and = >Michael is drooling! Have you >tried cleaning the tip well and >then soldering again? I'd be >curious to find out if it does the >trick. > >Best, > >Dani > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 13:35:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:43:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aries27.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Photography Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199802262044.PAA00328@aries27.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Feb26.01921.0>> Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer twistes the bytes to say: Charles> You wrote: >> I have been reading all the input about photographing stained glass and >> at the risk of sounding really stupid I must ask a question. Doesn't >> the Kodak Royal Gold, ASA 400, work good? That is what I have been >> using because it is supposed to work in all lighting situations. I also >> can have it developed to 3.5 floppy for the computer. When I have it >> developed on disk I get disk, negatives, plus prints. I really would >> like to know more about the photography aspect so as to get the best >> pictures possible. Thanks guys. >> Dianne Maddison Charles> in photography, slower is almost always better, or it used to be that way for Charles> a long time. better grain, better color saturation. however that brings up Indeed. Have anybody tried ISO 25? Charles> problems, like you need more light, longer exposures, tripod, etc. some of the Charles> newer films seem to break this rule as the manufacturers are developing (pun Charles> not intended) better film stock. Charles> what i want to know about is: what's the deal with kodak color max? from the Charles> ads (ad nauseum during the US olympic broadcasts) and from reading the box, it I guess I am lucky not to have a TV and read my news from the Globe and Mail :) Charles> doesn't seem to have an asa rating? You have not looked close enough :) The box has, in its side, the ISO rating of the film: ISO800. What happens is that this film has a huge exposure latitude, which in effect makes possible to shoot photos taken from the equivalent of ISO50 all the way to ISO1600. I have tried. The last time I was in the Washington National Cathedral I shoot a roll. I got decent photos but they are not great. It certainly works with ISO1600, but the results are below my standards. I would rather stick to Fuji SuperG 800. I did not attempt big overexposures. Its use depends on what you call a good photo. Most people just want something that shows they where in a certain place at a certain time and they might not care about colour saturation or grain. Stained Glass photos, in my opinion, should deliver the beauty of the colours, hence colour saturation is critical. If my advise has any value to anybody, I invite you to try Agfa HDC100 (and please, take it go a good developer --would you save a couple of bucks in buying cheaper and uglier glass if you want to show off your work?. Its depth, rich colours will jump at you. I'd not use 400 or faster film for SG. Using a tripod is always a must, IMHO, as it makes me think about what I am shooting and allows me to put attention to --and avoid-- the natural distortion created by having the camera back in a plane not perfectly parallel to the one of the work. (As an exercise, position yourself from the other side of a rectangular building, now, through the camera, see it upwards, you will notice that the parallel lines of the building are translated into converging lines in the viewfinder; now, lower the camera to have the bottom of the building in the middle: the lines should be fairly parallel). happy shooting! Charles> --- Charles> Charles Spitzer Charles> charlie@az.stratus.com Charles> Phoenix, AZ Charles> ---- Charles> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Charles> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Charles> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Daniel M. German "For indeed who is there alive that will not be swayed by his bias and partiality to Jonathan Swift -> the place of his birth?" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 13:35:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:06:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:03:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb26.21317.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_888526997_boundary Content-ID: <0_888526997@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII sorry susan I also sent this to you but meant it for bungi too --part0_888526997_boundary Content-ID: <0_888526997@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DMR74 Return-path: To: CWWSLW@aol.com Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:43:03 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Well, I was deeply touched by what you wrote. Although you hit a nerve when > you stated you "cringed" when someone ( me) , said they wished for pre-cut > patterns. Susan, It doesn't matter whether you draw your own patterns or use someone elses, either way you will have good and bad responses. I know that doesn't make sense but I will explain. I have had a lot of art in my past majoring in it at school and always sketching, usually my best work is when I am alone and moody, you laugh. So I have always felt like art is my outlet, but it wasn't really getting me anywhere, my sketches are in a box not doing anything or anyone any good except reminding me of how I felt at that time period. When I started stained glass it was kind of a father daughter bonding thing, he was always good with his hands at woodworking, and had brought both his sons into his field of Lithographics, but me, well he never really knew how to comunicate with me to showme how to do things. So a few years ago he was incorporating his glass into his woodwork, doing headboards and making frames and I decided he should make me a humming bird, so I bought a casting. Well he wasn't really into that type stuff so on the next visit there he sat me down and showed me each step and would walk away so I could complete that step. I did my first piece and was so happy he had taught me and something we could share, but I was not to stay in a structured area, funny I was just like him in that way. I couldn't stay with just patterns, O I have bought quite a few but used so few of them. I like to design my own. my second piece was for him, he collects owls so I drew an owl and made it a picture frame, with the belly being the area for the pic. But I was always embarrased to admit that a lot of my stained glass work was self taught, trial and error and most of my own designs or drawn from a pic of something I saw. Of course the owner of the stained glass store in my area made it worse by giving the air like my work was beneath him, so I don't admit alot to others that I do it the hard way or learn from others (a lot of bungi help, have I said thank you lately?) So go ahead and learn stained glass your way do it the way YOU want to maybe youare excelling more in the lines of how to place glass and textures and later you will venture out to design, maybe not, but that doesn't mean you aren't good at it or just LOVE it. BULLITON: the owner of the store as others have heard from me is doing some kind of transformation, (I was wondering if he is lurking on bungi) he has actually shown me how to do stepping stones (before that was beneath him too) he now stocks filigree, besides the dragon flies, and he is also doing bird baths in mosaic, he IS now very helpful, (are you sure he isn't lurking?) he is even stocking glass supplies for bead making (ok I even think that is money thrown away, I just don't see how many beads a person can sell IF you can even sell them just to cover your fun costs). Ok so he still asks me if I have any single friends, but he has gotten better. LOL short ps how come I can't spell??? deb the newyorker sent to live in a tiny town in SE TX who gets started on a short post and rambles, sorry I guess thats why I don't post too much LOL --part0_888526997_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 14:41:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.121335.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "Douglas R. Terry", INTERNET:dterry@oregontrail.net DATE: 2/26/98 1:38 PM RE: Copy of: Re: Comments Perhaps alot of people jumped ship when bungi was down for a few days. I know I almost did. We may have lost some members who were more vocal and active in their responses. For my part, I try to remember to send by replies to the entire group, too. When I = receive a reply directly from an individual, I also forward that to the group. Just for my 2c worth - I have no problem with the rule to "stick to glass" on this forum. I have gotten to know many = people personally ... off-bungi. That works just fine, and frankly, even when we're talking glass, personalities come across anyway. If I don't care for the rules, I have options. I can drop off the list, I can start my own list, etc. Or I can enjoy what's available here, just the way it is and nothing has to be different. I guess I = learned a long time ago that life is alot better when you don't try to push rivers! And speaking of glass....;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 15:13:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:13:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:23:49 -0600 Message-ID: <199802262213.QAA22698@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth said: There has been some frustration expressed. Some disillusion. The energy, imagination, the life-force we all share in common, is just TOO strong for this restrictions. W In these last couple of years ior so, we really HAVE become too intimate, to much "knowing" of each other. Elisabeth, You certainly disspell the myth of the cold hearted Scandinavian. :-) Thanks for coming forward with your passionate observations. It seems some of us are a little gun-shy since Mr Rand 's decision not to allow us to sort out our own problems on list. If we can ever rekindle the spirit of this group it might be a while in coming . I have noticed a lack of posts from some of the more animated listees and I miss them . I've hung out with artists and musicians for as long as I can remember and alot of them don't give a hoot about political correctness and restricted thinking or what anybody has to say about them personally. Some of them are downright obnoxous, arrogent , self-serving, opinionated egomaniacs at times. I'm not quite sure what my point is here but I'll think of something since I already typed out that whole paragraph Oh yeah.......... this list is not about car engines or OS/390 platforms or laundry detergents. Its about a subject that at times may bring on any or all of the above mentioned behavior in varying degrees, more often then not just as a temporary outburst . When bungi got heated up it was the trolls, as trolls do, that perpetuated disagreements that would have petered out on their own soon enough. I have always gotten more out of an animated debate then a straight back chair, tea cup on the lap thing. And I like to know a little about who I'm talking to also. I'll try to contribute to this list as much as I can, time permitting .....it is the only real connection that I have to SG anymore since I quit the business. But if it gets boring and overly pragmatic, its the lurk mode for me. When the list was shut down I contacted Mr Rand and asked for the email addresses of all the bunginians. There is another SG email list, and I did not know when he intended to turn Bungi back on. I was in the mood for mutiny and hoped to get a good part of the bungi crowd to jump ship. For the record, Mr Rand did not provide me with the list and in fact he did not reply at all .... probably much too busy Below are the two post from the list owners ( the *turn off* and *the turn on*) when according to them they had ENOUGH! .............* note the technical changes* Len peace in our time ............................................................................ ........................................ We've had enough. I've disabled the glass alias for the time being. Once people settle down, I'll consider turning it back on. The stained glass list is not about flaming people, or talking about editing, or discussing the weather. We don't have time to moderate it. People *can* control themselves. Honest. We are all (I believe) over the age of 8. Let's act like it. Dave Rand / Glenna Rand +1 408 254-7111 ---- The stained glass list at bungi.com has been reopened. There have been some technical changes as well. As a reminder to all, the stained glass list is intended to be a resource that people can use to discuss issues related to glass work. It is not for discussing the personal habits of people, or their probably parentage. We *do not* want to moderate this list. We feel that people should have the ability to express their ideas openly. Please; this list goes to over 400 people, all around the world. There *will* be differences of opinion. If so, please take it offline. To that end, I have made a technical change in how the list works. Before, replying would automatically send to the stained glass list. Now, replying will send the message back only to the originator. If your reply is meant for the list as well, you will need to change the To: address to glass@bungi.com. Hopefully, this minor change will both help avoid the recent flame-fests, and help people stay in a positive frame of mind. Let us know if you have any questions. Dave & Glenna Rand -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 15:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:45:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stained glass school and celtic knots... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.124254.0> References: <<1998Feb26.21317.0>> Precedence: bulk i just go this site, it's for a glass school in europe. though the work their caught my eye. under EXPO there's a choice to see students works, and (i believe), that their all celtic knots... or at least i think they are. i know some have asked for patterns, from what i can see there done in clear, ...instant pattern. http://www.esvc.vsnet.ch/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 15:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:56:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stove Polish Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:54:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.125453.0> Precedence: bulk Well, lo and behold if I didn't by accident stumble across the stove black that Elisabeth in UK talks about. It's available from Cumberland General Store in Crossville, Tennessee 1-800-334-4640. It's called Rutland Stove Polish and = sells for $6.25 a tube. It's made up of "A water-based emuslfication of = quality natural waxes combined with some of the blacker pigments known. Buffs to high luster..." You get the idea. Hope this helps somebody! Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 16:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:54:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oakland.edu!psdisney From: Phyllis Disney To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: redwood tree pattern Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:57:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.135736.0> Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a stained glass pattern for a redwood tree(s). Pine won't do, but I'd rather not draw it myself. This is for a window panel, about 24" x 36", though I can adjust and refit any pattern. I'm just not good at drawing trees in general. Phyllis D. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 17:10:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sleepy.ebtech.net!proffire From: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net To: glass@bungi.com, "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:57:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199802262358.SAA16033@sleepy.ebtech.net> Precedence: bulk > From: "Daniel M. German" > > > Hello Bunginians, > > I am new to the list. I found it by browsing Mike's web site and I > am glad I did. > Welcome Daniel, You are correct that there are a lot of "Pros" on this list but don't let that scare you. I have been primarily a lurker here for a couple years but it never ceases to amaze me of the generosity of the members of this group. At times we'll bitch and complain about someone's comments or habits but you will always get the straight goods. Doug Scale Corunna, Ontario "Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 17:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sleepy.ebtech.net!proffire From: proffire@sleepy.ebtech.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:57:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199802262358.SAA16029@sleepy.ebtech.net> Precedence: bulk > > Subject: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:37:47 +0000 > Elisabeth, Wow!! And to think that English is your second language!! I am forever in awe of how you express your feelings (and those of many of the group as well even if we don't say it). Thanks for always stating your much appreciated opinions. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 17:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:59:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "M. Savad" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 19:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199802262358.SAA10536@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Mike wrote: > i'm not sure why it was changed to this format in the >first place. Suzanne guesses: Because we were all being spanked for being bad little girls and boys. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 18:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:26:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: NCScouter Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.23406.0> References: <<1998Feb25.17103.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb25.17103.0@?>, NCScouter writes ............... > >1) Isn't the molecular structure of glass that of a liquid in a frozen >state? > Well.... No. To quote from "Conservation of Glass" by Roy Newton and Sandra Davison, p.3&4: >From a scientific standpoint, glass may be defined as the product of the fusion of inorganic materials which has been cooled to a hard condition without crystalization taking place. A clear understanding of the structure of glass has only been achieved in the last 45 years. Zachariasen was the first to make a significant advance and it is as a result of his work, and that of subsequent researchers, that it is now realized that the atoms in glass are linked together by strong forces, essentially the same as those in crystals. Thus it is misleading to describe glass as a supercooled liquid (as has formerly been the case), at least when it is below the transition temperature. Later, on page 14 the transition temperature is described as the point at which the temperature is high enough for the molecular structure to become more random than in cooler anealed glass . (the spelling errors are mine, although I'd prefer to use 's' instead of 'z' pronounced 'zed'. I guess it' the result of being in the UK for 30years. And inspite of the saying "you can take the person out of Kansas, but you cant take the Kansas out of the person") I'll still be interested to learn of the results of your experiments with ice cubes. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 18:24:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:28:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Michael J. Greer" Subject: Re: white lines Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.0550.0> References: <<1998Feb25.145318.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb25.145318.0@?>, "Michael J. Greer" writes >Hi pj- > >Do you guys cement the windows >you put in insulated units? We have >horrendous problems with that and >don't (not that we do too much of that >anyway - really discourage it when >asked.) I'm wondering how much >climate affects the practice. > >Best regards, > >Dani = > Dani, When I have been asked to adapt existing panels to be placed inside double glazed uints by a Double glazing firm for which i do some work, they require that I use butyl putty when any replacement leading is needed. This is the stuff they use to seal the units into the (plastic) frame and into the window opening. Of course, you don't make the came black when cleaning this stuff up (and it is messy), so some patina on the leads and solder joints is necessary. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 18:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:20:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Daniela Birkelbach Subject: Re: taking apart a cemented panel Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.01433.0> References: <<199802252313.SAA29759@dns.city-net.com>> Precedence: bulk In message <199802252313.SAA29759@dns.city-net.com>, Daniela Birkelbach writes >Hi all! > >I have a cemented panel that I need to take apart. (two of the glass >pieces are broken). How do I go about doing that? It seems I would have >to melt the solder to disconnect the leadcame but how do I then get the >glass pieces out of the lead channel? > >Thanks for any help! > >Dany Dany, I know you have received a few replies on this already. Hwere is my 10pence worth (inflation having hit the UK more than the USA, maybe). I assume the panel has been made in the last year or less. On that basis, I would cut the came either side of the solder joints, but very close, and work toward the broken glass. The cement should not be very hard yet, and can be eased out with a lead knife or fid from between the came and the glass. The glass then becomes loose again and can be pulled from the came. After the glass has come free from the cames, you can cut the solder joint to the length you will require with a firm lead knife. It takes more pressure and longer than cutting came but it can be done, if you are careful and keep hands and glass away from the cutting. When you have the broken glass repaired, you can cut and place new came around the glass and make new solder joints. The cleaning of the cement will darken the lead and joints to the colour of the older materials. At least, I find this way works with both old and newer panels. (I hope my description is adequate - I'm better at showing than describing) -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 19:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:49:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Cat eyes Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:48:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.04836.0> Precedence: bulk Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. I tried cutting out some small eyes out of copper foil. After burnishing, I touched them lightly with a droplet of solder. Each lifted up slightly, I assume due to the heat. What are other options? Perhaps a solder-colored stained glass paint? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 19:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:59:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: To foil or not to foil...when to patina Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802270057.QAA09576@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hey there...with all this discussion about combining foil and came I'm curious to know what the puttying process might do to patina on the foiled part. Specifically we're talking a brass came window, with a black patina destined for the foiled sections...should I apply patina before or after the putty? Another question (again related to this window)...what happens if I only putty one side of some pieces which have a great texture on the back (e.g. crocodile glass or heavy ripple glass)? This is a room divider and putty is needed only to hold the pieces from rattling. Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 19:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:29:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cats, Pigeons, Elizabeth, et al Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 12:02:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan4.621.0> Precedence: bulk Go Get'um Girl. Thanks Elizabeth & Toby. Your server was down and I guess you were saving up all those words. I'll bet Toby's big ears were burning.(8-). Welcome everybody (don't want to leave anyone out for fear of another tounge lashing). Isn't it great to correspond with such a diverse group of people that has something in common ... Stained Glass. By way of introduction (for those of you who don't know me): My name is Patrick Kelly, married, 2 sons (educated, grown, and gone), 4 cats (no pigeons), and 1 Jenda Conjur (parrot). I live in Central Texas, USA. I am a Management Analyst during the day, teach computer science at night, and retire to my garage to work on my therapy (stained glass) whenever I get chance. I have learned sooooo much from this group about stained glass and life that when it went down I felt I had lost many friends, forever. When it was reborn my heart was like one of the hot-air ballons that we make; bright, beautiful, and rising above it all. When I talk to artist that have been professionals for years and I offer some insight into thier work or a suggestion they often reply ..... "Where did you learn that" My reply is always "From some of the best artist and finest people from around the world ... our stained glass group." They seem to be amazed at the wealth of knowledge that is freely shared. OOOPs my soap box just slipped. Now I have time to crack, I mean cut some glass. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all (especially to the newcomers and Elizabeth and Toby) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 19:49:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:03:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: suzanne albright Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:59:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.145943.0> References: <<199802262358.SAA10536@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzanne albright wrote: > > Mike wrote: > > i'm not sure why it was changed to this format in the > >first place. > > Suzanne guesses: > Because we were all being spanked for being bad little girls and boys. > > Suzanne Albright > suzy@comcat.com the thing is it all started when someone mentioned in passing about editing. not becuase it was "not edited properly", but becuase of their higher rates in europe. then the whole thing got real ugly, for no real reason. then everyone got 3-5 times more may about nothing... the complete opposite effect that was first wanted. idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. so the list was cut off, i could understand that, then it came back on but in this new format. but the new format does'nt make any sense from the last problem. at this time you have to remember to choose re:all, which means the bungi's in europe still may have to download more then they want. most of the time when i respond i don't even see who i'm responding to, i just answer the question... usaully i want to have the group see it as well (mainly because i don't want to have to repeat myself); but it bugs me when i forget to do the re:all. because now it's set up like a newsgroup, and not a listserv, as it once was... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 19:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:03:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Photography Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > the work. (As an exercise, position yourself from the other side of a > rectangular building, now, through the camera, see it upwards, you > will notice that the parallel lines of the building are translated > into converging lines in the viewfinder; now, lower the camera to have > the bottom of the building in the middle: the lines should be fairly > parallel) Ah, I've always wished for a parallax-adjusting lens. Very expensive, though, too much so for my budget. I agree with you totally about the slower speed films, though. Much of my work these days is shot in churches; tripods are a must, cable releases a requirement, too, slow films at high f-stops, 1- and 2-second exposures ... it can take a day to shoot the inventory of a single church, but it's worth the effort and the slow shots when you see the results. Besides, it's often more expensive to travel back to the site than to do it right the first time: shoot a dozen 36-exposure rolls at slow speeds, bracketing every shot, and you don't have to go back. With 3-6 shots of each window, there's always something that's useful and useable. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 20:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: Alcista To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subject: Re: cameras Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:46:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.144632.0> References: <<3.0.5.16.19980226083100.2937a670@oregontrail.net>> Precedence: bulk For York Photo labs you can call (304)424-9675 , they will send you mailers to send the film to the closest location. The locations that I see for the western area are: San Francisco, CA; Denver, CO; Dallas, TX; Seattle, WA Douglas R. Terry wrote: > thanks, but i don't know of eather one of thoes. are they in the east? i'm > way our west(U.S) > doug terry(Oregon) > > At 09:51 PM 2/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >York Photo Labs and Revco will develop Seattle Film. > > > >Sandi ;-) > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 20:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:37:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!gerling From: Rex Gerlinger To: "Toby" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227013223.006a28d0@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Dear Elisabeth (and Toby) and Bungians, I'm warning you - this is going to be long. Feel free to hit the delete button now! We call ourselves "The Glass Ladies".....we've been lurking for about a year. But it is finally time to come out of the shadows and explain what Bungi (and stained glass in general) means to us. We started with a class at our local shop in January, 1997. It was a birthday present to me (Hazel) from my friend Elizabeth and we talked our friend Lou into joining us. For six weeks we battled Atlanta traffic after work on Tuesdays to get to the glass shop in time for our class. On weekends we did our "homework" on a make-shift table in my basement. We became addicted. The table became 8' x 7'...we added lights...one, then two divided glass storage cabinets...one, then two grinders.....a saw.......a "workbench" for the machinery......pvc pipe for lead and zinc(first 3...now 12)....more lights.....a 4 drawer rolling cabinet for patterns (and band-aids)...boxes for glass scraps......peg board......a light box.....a dremel tool.....still more lights.....a HEPA filter.....you get the drift........... Wednesday nights are "official" glass nights. Most Saturdays and Sundays are also glass days. It's been over a year now and we are all as passionate as ever. I have no idea how many pieces we've done - but it is ALOT! We've done a zillion presents - panels, fan lamps, vases, boxes, candle holders, stepping stones, bird baths, etc. etc. etc. We've done lots for ourselves (my husband swears we will soon have no "regular" glass windows in our house!). We've even sold a few pieces and the best compliment of all is that now our local shop (where we took our class) commissions us to build pieces for them! We built double front doors for a customer of the shop. I made a firescreen....Elizabeth is making a 6'x3' palladian window for her parents.....Lou is working on her front door. The bottom line is that even though we are definitely "newbies" - we've done alot. Add to the mix - last June I was "downsized" from my regular job so now I spend many 12 hour days in the "glass room". (I believe that God created severence pay to allow you to do what you really want to do!) Lou and I are 40something....Elizabeth is 30something.....we are all married....Lou has two kids....Elizabeth has one....I have two stepsons - one lives with us. Okay, now you know about us. What Bungi means to us: You guys are our friends. We talk about you all the time. As we work on glass we discuss what you're discussing. We feel like we know Elisabeth and Dani and Mike Savad and Charles and Mike Peck and VT Phelps and Don and Howard and Albert and Glenna and Dave and and and..... Usually one of the first questions is "Did you read Bungi?" We love Toby because our Elizabeth has an Old English Sheepdog named Floyd. We especially love Elisabeth. We love how you describe yourself (I am a stubborn -----).....we love how you share your knowledge and we especially love your passion. I save your messages and we all re-read them together and talk about them. And this last one says it all.......Bungi really is all about personalities and emotions and world wide "friendships". That's what makes it so special. While we don't disagree with Glenna and Dave's decision to shut it down recently (we refer to it as our "time-out")....we have noticed that it has lately gotten awfully polite! And kinda boring! We thank Elisabeth for reminding us why we love this group so much. We will hereby try to contribute - are you listening Elizabeth and Lou????! One thing that we have all learned is what we refer to as "the hand of God".....sometimes the glass breaks (it needs a lead line)...sometimes you run out of a particular glass (this other one looks better anyway).....sometimes the "back" looks better than the front( oh, yeah, I planned it this way)...... Some days you just can't cut glass so then it's time to design your next piece. Some days you can't solder so then it's time to clean the grinder or do general "maintenance"! But some days every piece cuts like butter. and some days those beads and joints are perfect. Maybe it's the alignment of the planets.... We are three totally different people who all share glass. And while we do glass we talk about everything. It is a wonderful experience. Hazel P.S. Now that I've droned on forever - here's my question....Why is this list called Bungi??????? Is it because we are all hanging by tethers??? Is it because we are all stretched in six directions?????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 20:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:15:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dear Newbie Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199802270115.BAA02143@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk In deed you have Daniel, And I have already replied to you off-group. As I have also done to lots of other Newbies who picked up on what I had to say. I am still replying....... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK QUOTE: From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:26:17 -0500 Hello Bunginians, I am new to the list. I found it by browsing Mike's web site and I am glad I did. < large snip> Toby/Elizabeth made feel welcomed into a warm, cozy place and I thanked them for that. dmg -- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 20:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:46:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stove Polish Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199802270244.CAA17649@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, Hi All, First we have got lemon as flux, then ice and ice cubes (Thanks for the challenge Valerie! Loved it. Freezer compartment full of Toby's fish-fingers, so experiment will have to wait until onset of summer...). Now Dani has really excelled herself and found my "beloved stove-black" in an American version. Beats patina any day!! Will send you a REAL English version in exchange for your snail-mail address. Then experiment with both of them and let us know. Are you game, gal?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Well, lo and behold if I didn't by accident stumble across the stove black that Elisabeth in UK talks about. It's available from Cumberland General Store in Crossville, Tennessee 1-800-334-4640. It's called Rutland Stove Polish and = sells for $6.25 a tube. It's made up of "A water-based emuslfication of = quality natural waxes combined with some of the blacker pigments known. Buffs to high luster..." You get the idea. Hope this helps somebody! Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 21:02:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:07:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Comments Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:04:22 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.3422.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-26 14:02:55 EST, morn@nac.net writes: << oh yeah, i personally complained about it, when it was first put in. i mainly stated that it's now a newsgroup and not a listserv. what would happen is that people will automatically hit re:mail, and after it's sent you then find out that you sent it to 1 person and not everyone. and doing it re:all means that you get 2 or more pieces of mail. quite a few times i got mail from one person to another person with the bungi sig at the bottom... it would be alot better if it was changed back to the way it was... i'm not sure why it was changed to this format in the first place. ---Mike Savad >> I'm with you Mike, and I think this change will discourage people from writing to Bungi...it took me a lot of cutting and pasteing just to write this response...and then a few minutes to figure out where to look for Bungi's address (which I had to cut and paste) A lot of days most of us will not take the time for all that, it was much simpler when you could just click the reply box and type away. cant we get it changed back again?? ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 21:05:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:17:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: Classydad@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:13:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.31340.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-26 22:02:31 EST, Classydad@aol.com writes: << Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. >> I have used extremely small glass globs, even grinding them smaller if needed. I then foiled them and attached them with solder. I have also tried some small black dot rubber things that I found at the hardware store. They have adhesive on the back, but you might also want to use some glue. I think those little rubber things are actually made to put on coasters or some other item to keep them from sliding around on tables. Sorry for the lack of a technical term for them but I don't know it would be (laughing). I hope this is helpful. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 21:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:20:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: newsgroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Las Vegas Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:15:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb26.11157.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't seen any chatter about the Glass Expo in Las Vegas in March. Is any one else going? If so it might be fun to meet some of the other members. I found a piece of Youghiogheny glass that immediately reminded me of a night sky. I would like to make a city skyline with windows that appear lit. Does anyone know of a pattern or how I might go about it? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Floating with El Nino in Calif. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 21:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: patina and putty Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 21:49:02 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.5492.0> Precedence: bulk Does one apply patina before or after puttying? and what commercial putty is the best? I realize most of you make your own putty, but I don't have the time nor inclination at this point in my life! :-) Laurean Eph 4:32 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 21:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:14:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!gerling From: Rex Gerlinger To: "Toby" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227040914.00682df0@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Dear Elisabeth (and Toby) and Bungians, I'm warning you - this is going to be long. Feel free to hit the delete button now! We call ourselves "The Glass Ladies".....we've been lurking for about a year. But it is finally time to come out of the shadows and explain what Bungi (and stained glass in general) means to us. We started with a class at our local shop in January, 1997. It was a birthday present to me (Hazel) from my friend Elizabeth and we talked our friend Lou into joining us. For six weeks we battled Atlanta traffic after work on Tuesdays to get to the glass shop in time for our class. On weekends we did our "homework" on a make-shift table in my basement. We became addicted. The table became 8' x 7'...we added lights...one, then two divided glass storage cabinets...one, then two grinders.....a saw.......a "workbench" for the machinery......pvc pipe for lead and zinc(first 3...now 12)....more lights.....a 4 drawer rolling cabinet for patterns (and band-aids)...boxes for glass scraps......peg board......a light box.....a dremel tool.....still more lights.....a HEPA filter.....you get the drift........... Wednesday nights are "official" glass nights. Most Saturdays and Sundays are also glass days. It's been over a year now and we are all as passionate as ever. I have no idea how many pieces we've done - but it is ALOT! We've done a zillion presents - panels, fan lamps, vases, boxes, candle holders, stepping stones, bird baths, etc. etc. etc. We've done lots for ourselves (my husband swears we will soon have no "regular" glass windows in our house!). We've even sold a few pieces and the best compliment of all is that now our local shop (where we took our class) commissions us to build pieces for them! We built double front doors for a customer of the shop. I made a firescreen....Elizabeth is making a 6'x3' palladian window for her parents.....Lou is working on her front door. The bottom line is that even though we are definitely "newbies" - we've done alot. Add to the mix - last June I was "downsized" from my regular job so now I spend many 12 hour days in the "glass room". (I believe that God created severence pay to allow you to do what you really want to do!) Lou and I are 40something....Elizabeth is 30something.....we are all married....Lou has two kids....Elizabeth has one....I have two stepsons - one lives with us. Okay, now you know about us. What Bungi means to us: You guys are our friends. We talk about you all the time. As we work on glass we discuss what you're discussing. We feel like we know Elisabeth and Dani and Mike Savad and Charles and Mike Peck and VT Phelps and Don and Howard and Albert and Glenna and Dave and and and..... Usually one of the first questions is "Did you read Bungi?" We love Toby because our Elizabeth has an Old English Sheepdog named Floyd. We especially love Elisabeth. We love how you describe yourself (I am a stubborn -----).....we love how you share your knowledge and we especially love your passion. I save your messages and we all re-read them together and talk about them. And this last one says it all.......Bungi really is all about personalities and emotions and world wide "friendships". That's what makes it so special. While we don't disagree with Glenna and Dave's decision to shut it down recently (we refer to it as our "time-out")....we have noticed that it has lately gotten awfully polite! And kinda boring! We thank Elisabeth for reminding us why we love this group so much. We will hereby try to contribute - are you listening Elizabeth and Lou????! One thing that we have all learned is what we refer to as "the hand of God".....sometimes the glass breaks (it needs a lead line)...sometimes you run out of a particular glass (this other one looks better anyway).....sometimes the "back" looks better than the front( oh, yeah, I planned it this way)...... Some days you just can't cut glass so then it's time to design your next piece. Some days you can't solder so then it's time to clean the grinder or do general "maintenance"! But some days every piece cuts like butter. and some days those beads and joints are perfect. Maybe it's the alignment of the planets.... We are three totally different people who all share glass. And while we do glass we talk about everything. It is a wonderful experience. Hazel P.S. Now that I've droned on forever - here's my question....Why is this list called Bungi??????? Is it because we are all hanging by tethers??? Is it because we are all stretched in six directions?????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 22:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:14:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!gerling From: Rex Gerlinger To: "Toby" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227040804.006878fc@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Dear Elisabeth (and Toby) and Bungians, I'm warning you - this is going to be long. Feel free to hit the delete button now! We call ourselves "The Glass Ladies".....we've been lurking for about a year. But it is finally time to come out of the shadows and explain what Bungi (and stained glass in general) means to us. We started with a class at our local shop in January, 1997. It was a birthday present to me (Hazel) from my friend Elizabeth and we talked our friend Lou into joining us. For six weeks we battled Atlanta traffic after work on Tuesdays to get to the glass shop in time for our class. On weekends we did our "homework" on a make-shift table in my basement. We became addicted. The table became 8' x 7'...we added lights...one, then two divided glass storage cabinets...one, then two grinders.....a saw.......a "workbench" for the machinery......pvc pipe for lead and zinc(first 3...now 12)....more lights.....a 4 drawer rolling cabinet for patterns (and band-aids)...boxes for glass scraps......peg board......a light box.....a dremel tool.....still more lights.....a HEPA filter.....you get the drift........... Wednesday nights are "official" glass nights. Most Saturdays and Sundays are also glass days. It's been over a year now and we are all as passionate as ever. I have no idea how many pieces we've done - but it is ALOT! We've done a zillion presents - panels, fan lamps, vases, boxes, candle holders, stepping stones, bird baths, etc. etc. etc. We've done lots for ourselves (my husband swears we will soon have no "regular" glass windows in our house!). We've even sold a few pieces and the best compliment of all is that now our local shop (where we took our class) commissions us to build pieces for them! We built double front doors for a customer of the shop. I made a firescreen....Elizabeth is making a 6'x3' palladian window for her parents.....Lou is working on her front door. The bottom line is that even though we are definitely "newbies" - we've done alot. Add to the mix - last June I was "downsized" from my regular job so now I spend many 12 hour days in the "glass room". (I believe that God created severence pay to allow you to do what you really want to do!) Lou and I are 40something....Elizabeth is 30something.....we are all married....Lou has two kids....Elizabeth has one....I have two stepsons - one lives with us. Okay, now you know about us. What Bungi means to us: You guys are our friends. We talk about you all the time. As we work on glass we discuss what you're discussing. We feel like we know Elisabeth and Dani and Mike Savad and Charles and Mike Peck and VT Phelps and Don and Howard and Albert and Glenna and Dave and and and..... Usually one of the first questions is "Did you read Bungi?" We love Toby because our Elizabeth has an Old English Sheepdog named Floyd. We especially love Elisabeth. We love how you describe yourself (I am a stubborn -----).....we love how you share your knowledge and we especially love your passion. I save your messages and we all re-read them together and talk about them. And this last one says it all.......Bungi really is all about personalities and emotions and world wide "friendships". That's what makes it so special. While we don't disagree with Glenna and Dave's decision to shut it down recently (we refer to it as our "time-out")....we have noticed that it has lately gotten awfully polite! And kinda boring! We thank Elisabeth for reminding us why we love this group so much. We will hereby try to contribute - are you listening Elizabeth and Lou????! One thing that we have all learned is what we refer to as "the hand of God".....sometimes the glass breaks (it needs a lead line)...sometimes you run out of a particular glass (this other one looks better anyway).....sometimes the "back" looks better than the front( oh, yeah, I planned it this way)...... Some days you just can't cut glass so then it's time to design your next piece. Some days you can't solder so then it's time to clean the grinder or do general "maintenance"! But some days every piece cuts like butter. and some days those beads and joints are perfect. Maybe it's the alignment of the planets.... We are three totally different people who all share glass. And while we do glass we talk about everything. It is a wonderful experience. Hazel P.S. Now that I've droned on forever - here's my question....Why is this list called Bungi??????? Is it because we are all hanging by tethers??? Is it because we are all stretched in six directions?????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 22:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:45:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: welcome Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227044018.006722dc@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk I would like to add my welcome to Daniel from a fellow Canadian from Southwestern Ontario. Also welcome to the land of stained glass, unfortunately it is habit forming, leading one to want to spend all ones time cutting glass. In case you havn't discovered already, you live a couple of miles away from a great place to visit. St. Jacob's is just up the road from you and there is a large glass studio there complete with classes, lots of neat stuff to see including glass blowing. Quite expensive though, so it would be wise to shop for supplies elsewhere. Now I will retreat to my lurk mode once again, but I know we'll be hearing from you again. Linda GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 22:35:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:45:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:40:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227044000.006796c4@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk - I use those little "wiggle" eyes that are available in many sizes from craft stores - they work very well for this purpose. Linda At 07:48 PM 26/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. I tried >cutting out some small eyes out of copper foil. After burnishing, I touched >them lightly with a droplet of solder. Each lifted up slightly, I assume due >to the heat. What are other options? Perhaps a solder-colored stained glass >paint? Thanks. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 22:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:54:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "Classydad" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 23:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199802270454.XAA29833@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. I tried >cutting out some small eyes out of copper foil. After burnishing, I touched >them lightly with a droplet of solder. Each lifted up slightly, I assume due >to the heat. What are other options? Perhaps a solder-colored stained glass >paint? Thanks. Classydad, you could try the Deka-brand black paint, probably found in an art-supply store. If you can't find it locally, E-mail me and I will look up their brochure and give you their address. Just apply a drop and let it dry. To be extra-special, you can let it dry for 24 hrs., then put it in a cold oven, bring temp up to 275, turn off oven and let it stay there until oven is cold. That should make it more-or-less permanent. Works for me. Or, you could leave a small hole for the eye and fill it with solder. Or, if the eyes are large enough, you could use a small yellow nugget and paint the pupil on with said Deka. I've found that the small piece of foil is "iffy." Sometimes it works but it's subject to lifting off. Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 26 22:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:17:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "Rex Gerlinger" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 00:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <199802270517.AAA01401@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Dear Glass Ladies, Welcome to the Bungi Group. Your letter was a joy to read and I can just picture you all working and chatting about glass and life. Addiction, yes! Me too! I love every aspect of it, from planning something, choosing the glass, all the craft part and finally...seeing it. And either loving or hating it. The agony or the ecstasy! I also have a houseful of glass, no windows left for new things. So I have to "retire" some things for a while to make room for the new. Yes, it has gotten polite and boring the last few weeks. I think we're all afraid of offending someone so we're being way too prim & proper. Looks like we're gonna change that. Thanks to Elisabeth! I love your comments about "the hand of God". I have often thought the same thing. If a piece breaks, there is another part of the glass that would look better. I have the stained glass muses on call at all times here in my little studio in Pennsylvania. And the days everything works like a charm - the solder flows just right - the glass cuts like "butter" - they are indeed a blessing. I give individual classes and most of my students become friends and fellow-addicts and we are like you three - we work and chat and love life. I myself have often wondered why the group is called Bungi. Glenna? Suzanne Albright Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 07:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Carolyn Duncan , newsgroup Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:27:26 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Las Vegas" on Feb 26, 19:15, Carolyn Duncan writes:] > I haven't seen any chatter about the Glass Expo in Las Vegas in March. > Is any one else going? If so it might be fun to meet some of the other I am going to be there! I wouldn't miss it!! Last year I planned to go to the one they were going to hold in San Fran. (which was after the Vegas show) and then they cancelled it. I have been waiting a whole year to take this one. Any ideas on how to spot a fellow bungi member? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 08:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:14:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Photography Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:20:54 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > I am rather new to the manual photography realm. Please tell me what > "bracketing" means. Whatever your light meter says, Michael, you shoot at that setting, as well as one f-stop higher and one f-stop lower. That means, assuming that your light meter is "on the money" and totally accurate, that you'll end up with one image that's perfect, according to your light meter, plus one that's lighter and one that's darker. I've found that the darker slide is often the one that's better, since its colors are richer, but that's really too broad a statement, given the fact that glass objects and panels vary widely in the amount of light they're transmitting. But that's the idea: to expose as suggested by the light meter, then to "put brackets around that setting," exposing once at a setting that will admit more light and once at a setting that will admit less. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 08:29:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:42:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cat eyes Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:20:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.4203.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Classydad >Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. I tried cutting out some small eyes out of copper foil. After burnishing, I touched them lightly with a droplet of solder. Each lifted up slightly, I assume due to the heat. What are other options? Perhaps a solder-colored stained glass paint?< Liquid lead (a thick glass paint from Deka) works well and is available in various colors such as black, copper, silver, bronze. It comes in a little squeeze bottle with an applicator tip and is oh, so easy to use. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 08:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Comments Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 08:24:35 EST Message-ID: <980227.082741.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980226090322.006a279c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk I suspect that answers going to an individual rather than the list is because of the change that makes "reply" reply to the individual, not the list. It's a bit unusual, in my experience, for a list, and I know I still am not used to it! Two more weeks and the accelerated math course I'm teaching will be over and I'll have time to do some of the glass pieces I see in my head! -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 08:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: quick set cement Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:58:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.145840.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-26 13:51:39 EST, vlclover@rconnect.com writes: > What I do is hit the reply all button, LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button now I won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong people. Just poured my first test stepping stone, what a way to use all those tiny pieces of stained glass we hate to throw away. I bought 'concrete patch' made by Thompsons, Ok it was on sale for $3 so I had to try it but was afraid to try on a bigger first stone, so I made 2 tiny ones about 4" with one bucket of this stuff, even used glass "globs" nuggets. I'll let you know tommorrow how it turned out, but I know I will use LOTS of tiny pieces now. I have a 18" hex set ready to pour next, it is of a sun face that I made 6 triangular pieces for rays and then used the same glass but all the scraps and made 6 more triangular in a mosaic fashion. I did every other one that way, it looks great lets see how it comes out as a stone. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 08:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:50:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Mosfunland , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.41958.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Mosfunland >and I have a question, because I can't remember sh..ANYTHING! After I solder the leads, when I putty, do I do one side, white it and let it set for a= day before doing the second side? should I start with the "good" side? Hone= st to heaven the things I can't remember. Any suggestions Christie?< You made me laugh this morning! Since I just got through with a rather large lead window myself, I can totally sympathize with your poor aching fingers. But I have good calluses on my fingers, so I probably don't hur= t as much as you (ah, feel the pain!). Anyway...After you solder the joints, putty side one and white it and let= it rest for a day. Then turn and do unto side two as you would have done= to you. Should you start with the "good side"? Doesn't matter. Which ever side is facing up is the one you start with. One word of advice - i= f you are using textured glass (including glue chip), cover the textured si= de with contact paper or even Scotch tape to keep the putty out of the texture. Clean up with a tooth pick on stray putty works well for me. Enjoy! ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 09:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:53:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Bankers House" To: "suzanne albright" , "M. Savad" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Comments Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:26:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.8266.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne- Funniest thing I've heard since Shirley blamed "El Nino" for the duplicate and triplicate postings! Thanks, Dale -----Original Message----- From: suzanne albright To: M. Savad ; glass bungi line Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 2:06 AM Subject: Re: Comments >Mike wrote: >> i'm not sure why it was changed to this format in the >>first place. > >Suzanne guesses: >Because we were all being spanked for being bad little girls and boys. > > > >Suzanne Albright >suzy@comcat.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 09:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "M. Savad" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Comments Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:31:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.43125.0> References: <<1998Feb26.145943.0>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means > i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. Mike, in the future, when you choose to call me an idiot, please exercise the maturity of spelling my name correctly. S H I R L E Y S U T E R (who is failing miserably at taking her grandmother's advice to never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed person.) Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 09:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:07:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:05:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980227100512.0081b100@glasstreasures.com> References: <<199802270454.XAA29833@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne had several good suggestions on eyes. I've used paint before, also, but what I usually use for eyes on my hummingbirds, goldfish, etc. are little solder blobs that I glue on. I often have little drops of solder that dry up with a flat bottom and rounded top that work out perfectly for eyes. Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 09:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:19:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: chick@cyberg8t.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:11:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.14111.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Carolyn,Yes my Wife and I are going to go to Vegas and we are going to meet up with a few glass types from another glass chat that I keep up with. It should be fun because I haven't met but one of them and we chat about glass and other things every Wed and Sat nite.We are all staying at the Hotel Circus Circus. there will some from Calif., Penn. Mich. and some from Mass.and my wife and myself are from Indiana. We would love to meet you there.If you would like to meet up some where E-mail me back off bungi and we can make arrangements. I'm looking forward to meeting many of the people that I chat with but never have been able to put a face to.Beveler4@aol.com(Stan and Christine) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 10:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:21:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: chick@cyberg8t.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:43:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.124346.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Carolyn ,I will be going to vegas to the expo..maybe we should wear pins with our screen names on it? It would be fun to meet fellow bungians. happy traveling ,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 10:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:22:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nep.net!jnl From: jnl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: smile Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.42431.0> References: <<1998Feb26.135736.0>> Precedence: bulk A LITTLE SMILE () () * * \_______/ This little smile somehow found its way, On to your screen to brighten your day. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 10:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Ladies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:02:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199802271707.RAA14322@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Hazel, Dear "Glass Ladies", and Bunginians, Your posting on Bungi (and my subsequent SIX further copies ;-> ) was absolutely delightful and I enjoyed every word of it Thank you for coming out of the "wood-work". You set the scene so wonderfully, described the gusto and enthusiasm with wonderful colours and FUN! Suzanne (Albright) has more or less described my own reactions, and I know that you gave many many others a great big smile. To be honest with you, after my own little "performance" I fully expected hounds braying and people shouting "Off With Her Head"!! I wasn't quite prepared for the avalanche of positive and lovely words that have flooded my e-mail box in these last 2-3 days... ...And thank goodness noone could see my blushes.... The little window at the bottom of my screen tells me that I still have 117 to answer..... Phew, no rest for the wicked!!! Oh Yes!! I know ALL about "God's Hand" - he just engineered it the way I intended it to be in the first place - ANYWAY!! ;-) That certainly put a big grin on my face! I am glad I managed to tease you out of shadow-land. I must now and then be able to do SOMETHING right... "Passion" ??? ME?? Nah! It was something Len tried to tell me about 2 years ago (and just did again!!). I am a cold-blooded, grumpy, stubborn Ole' Swede, argumentative as they come, approaching the age when the geographical term "South" is beginning to take on a whole new meaning.... Hang in there and let us hear much, much more from you and your projects.!! Toby sends Love to Floyd (A Soul-Mate??! AT LAST!!!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dear Elisabeth (and Toby) and Bungians, I'm warning you - this is going to be long. Feel free to hit the delete button now! We call ourselves "The Glass Ladies".....we've been lurking for about a year. But it is finally time to come out of the shadows and explain what Bungi (and stained glass in general) means to us. We became addicted. < snip> What Bungi means to us: You guys are our friends. We talk about you all the time. As we work on glass we discuss what you're discussing. We feel like we know Elisabeth and Dani and Mike Savad and Charles and Mike Peck and VT Phelps and Don and Howard and Albert and Glenna and Dave and and and..... Usually one of the first questions is "Did you read Bungi?" We love Toby because our Elizabeth has an Old English Sheepdog named Floyd. We especially love Elisabeth. We love how you describe yourself (I am a stubborn -----).....we love how you share your knowledge and we especially love your passion. I save your messages and we all re-read them together and talk about them. And this last one says it all.......Bungi really is all about personalities and emotions and world wide "friendships". That's what makes it so special. While we don't disagree with Glenna and Dave's decision to shut it down recently (we refer to it as our "time-out")....we have noticed that it has lately gotten awfully polite! And kinda boring! We thank Elisabeth for reminding us why we love this group so much. We will hereby try to contribute - are you listening Elizabeth and Lou????! One thing that we have all learned is what we refer to as "the hand of God".....sometimes the glass breaks (it needs a lead line)...sometimes you run out of a particular glass (this other one looks better anyway).....sometimes the "back" looks better than the front( oh, yeah, I planned it this way)...... Some days you just can't cut glass so then it's time to design your next piece. Some days you can't solder so then it's time to clean the grinder or do general "maintenance"! But some days every piece cuts like butter. and some days those beads and joints are perfect. Maybe it's the alignment of the planets.... We are three totally different people who all share glass. And while we do glass we talk about everything. It is a wonderful experience. Hazel ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 10:34:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: list working Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.13219.0> Precedence: bulk I for one can see the difference in the posting to the list/individual. On the assumption that most of the participants are literate, posting general information is easy enough to do by putting "bungi" (or whatever alias you choose to use) in the "to", your gem of wisdom goes to us all. By just "replying" your acknowledgement of "what is for dinner" goes to the interested party (generally not myself). I have taken off most of my "pearls on lampmaking" to the private requester of assistance, so as not to see it quoted, mis quoted, partially quoted and picked apart and repeated with an" I agree" buried in 100 or more lines of re-hashed posts. I may be missing something, but because of my limited and narrow focus (glass that is) I still sleep fairly well at night (personal observation). I can live with current method of communication, and do know how to post to all if I so desire to. Enough vituperation for this AM (PST)....back to work. As ever, enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 11:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.8653.0> Precedence: bulk Sigh.... I still remember the good old days when we were allowed to = use portland cement in our homemade mix and could cement BOTH sides of the windows right away AND install the window, too. And the cames were so much blacker. Those were the days. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 11:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:08:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.870.0> Precedence: bulk Hazel, you stinkers, how come you've been holding out on us all this time?!! Welcome to bungi which only offers ALL it has to offer when = the conversation is two-sided. Now = you're really in for some treats! Thanks for sharing. (P.S. I think it's called bungi because someone has an = unusual hobby.) Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 11:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:08:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Stove Polish Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.878.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- DO send me your version and I'll try ours to see how they compare! Snail-mail is below and don't forget to send me your address so I can = mail the greeting card I've been = saving for you for months! (P.S. will respond to your private post when things settle down a little here- gads!) Best regards, Dani Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 12:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:09:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: patina and putty Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.8645.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Laureen- You can buy Inland cement from your supplier, or a thicker thumb putty by AmChem which is less messy, but takes longer... fine for smaller projects. You don't use = patina when you cement, the cement does the job for you. Polish up = that lead good with a nice wad of horsehair! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 12:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:39:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: IGGA News Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:45:17 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk There are over 200 works in glass now represented in the online Architectural Art Glass Light Show ... we just added over 25 more of them this morning. Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the upper lefthand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start" ... simple!) Soon, very soon ... like within days now ... you'll also be able to view the work as it separates out into categories. Interested only in doors and entries? You'll be able to do that. Only fused and slumped work? You'll be able to do that, too. Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 12:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:52:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: To foil or not to foil... Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:51:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.185130.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-26 09:06:11 EST, you write: << types of came, rounds and flats for example. Consider a 3/8" or even 1/2" flat lead came to get a strong visual near the border, or to accentuate some bevels ...... and keep the busy work in foil. It'll turn out just fine. Mike Peck Sunnit Stained Glass ---- >> Thank you Mike for your comments and advice. I am currently working on a panel that will contain both copper foil (inset) and came. I hadn't considered the idea of using multiple size cames, etc. I will be foiling and soldering copper pieces (purchased pattern) and hope to finalize a design for the came parts of panel this wkend - I'd really like the idea to incoporate different size cames. (Can you tell I'm a newbie at this??) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 12:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:02:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Etching tempered glass Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:03:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.7350.0> Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Hi All, A local contractor is building a restaurant and has ordered some nice curved glass panels, about 2ft x 6 ft, all clear float glass that has been bent to a radius of (I'm guessing) 18-20 inches. He says the glass was tempered, but the company that made the panels did not put their logo on them. The building inspector says they must be tempered and have the logo before he can install. There are 52 of these panels and the contractor is asking us to etch logos on the panels with stencils provided by him. Just a few questions come to mind. Primarily, how do I tell that these curved panels are really tempered? I have been fooled by tempered glass in the past that didn't have logos. The first indication is when you take a cutter to it and it seems a lot harder to score, then it bursts into a million pieces on the table. I don't want to try that test on these panels. Can anyone give me another simple test to confirm that glass has been tempered? Would a refractometer tell me anything? (Not that I would suspect any contractors of trying to save some money by buying non-tempered glass and getting a local to forge a certification label, or anything....) Second question, am I assuming any legal liability by placing a certification label on a product that was made by someone else, and should have been certified by them in the first place? Third question, I tried one time to sandblast some tempered glass and it exploded in my hand. So, I am assuming that etching tempered glass is done with etching cream? How do you get the fine detail in one of those small logos without going to a "photobrasive" type of mask? Although I don't mind learning something new, I hate to go through the learning curve on a commission project. Thus, I probably will not take this job, but thought it posed some interesting questions. Would appreciate hearing from anyone that cares to comment (by re:all, please!). Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shirley Suter Subject: Re: Comments Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.19958.0> References: <<1998Feb27.43125.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In defence of Mike (not frequent for me) the context made it clear to me that he was quoting someone else not actually calling you anything. Maybe it was a mistake to use a real example. What's a typing error to three anyway? Streve (see - I can't even spell my own name!) :_) In message <1998Feb27.43125.0@?>, Shirley Suter writes >M. Savad wrote: > >> idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means >> i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. > > >Mike, in the future, when you choose to call me an idiot, >please exercise the maturity of spelling my name correctly. > >S H I R L E Y S U T E R >(who is failing miserably at taking her grandmother's advice >to never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed person.) >Grapeland, Tx. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:13:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: The Bankers House , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: white lines Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:57:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.185725.0> References: <<005201bd435a$32bce600$30b21fce@bankers>> Precedence: bulk In message <005201bd435a$32bce600$30b21fce@bankers>, The Bankers House writes >Steve, > In the post below you mention putting patina on the lead and the solder >joints. I have been discouraged from doing this.... so have never tried it. Experiment is to be encouraged. You find out so many things (most don't work, but those that do make the effort worthwhile). And you learn about the nature of the materials you are working with better from what doesn't work than what does. Unless it is a commission, of course. >Does it work? Yes, but the solder joint must be clean. The black patina helps to darken the lead. I suppose the lead is affected by the acid just as the solder is. (solder contains a high proportion of lead, of course) >Can you use the same patina? Yep. I learned this by just spreading the patina over the lead to see what happened. It is not as good as the effect you get from cementing and brushing the leads, because the pigment from the cement buffs up into a dull black shine. >Or is it like with zinc where >you need to use a separate patina for the solder, and another for the zinc? I've never used zinc. And I don't know why all the USAns do. It seems to me to be much harder to work. And if it is only on the outside/perimeter of the panel, I don't see that it adds much strength. Ah well........ > Butyl putty? Sounds messy.... how do you clean it up? Butyl putty as it comes over here (UK) is a red-brown substance that is slightly hygroscopic, so needs to be stored in dry conditions. It is a polymer based substance with some slow drying medium in it. I put as little as possible on the panel applying it to each came with a putty or oyster knife. Clean up is a combination of whiting/chalk/fine casting plaster, and about a week later methylated spirits (denatured alcohol to the USAns) on a cloth or cotton wool (don't know what you call that - maybe cotton buds - it is about the size of a cotton boll) rubbed on teh glass along the cames. >Hope you can >answer some of these questions.... > Don't know if I've answered the questions properly Dale, )(or if I've been rude as accused in the past) but feel free to come back at me on any of these things. >>> .......... >>Dani, >>When I have been asked to adapt existing panels to be placed inside >>double glazed uints by a Double glazing firm for which i do some work, >>they require that I use butyl putty when any replacement leading is >>needed. This is the stuff they use to seal the units into the (plastic) >>frame and into the window opening. >> >>Of course, you don't make the came black when cleaning this stuff up >>(and it is messy), so some patina on the leads and solder joints is >>necessary. >> >>-- >>Steve Richard Verrier -- Steve Richard Verrier - Art glass desgners ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:13:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:12:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.31210.0> References: <<1998Feb27.4203.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I usually use liguid lead, black or soft brown, bought in the "paint a stained glass window(talk about YUK!)" section, of your local craft store. But you can also go to the teddy bear/doll section and buy the eyes they sell to sew on. They are plastic and have a dowel like protrusion coming out of the back(so you can clamp it to the material). Get out your dremel and saw that off, sand it down and rough up the plastic back of the eye and then you can glue it in place. It can be a rather dramatic effect, or complete overkill. You will have to decide. Good luck and let us know which technique you decide on. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:44:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Comments Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:43:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.34343.0> References: <<1998Feb27.43125.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk To my way of understanding, this is a perfect example of why the posting format was changed. May I please beg all of you who wish to take sides in this issue? "Will you please use the new posting format to do so." Unlike a very few of you, I go to car races to see the magnficence of fantastic machines, not the crashes. And before you go after me, I already feel like the monk (who took a vow of silence), who is in the process of verbally expressing the vow of silence. > > M. Savad wrote: > > > idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means > > i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. > > Mike, in the future, when you choose to call me an idiot, > please exercise the maturity of spelling my name correctly. > > S H I R L E Y S U T E R > (who is failing miserably at taking her grandmother's advice > to never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed person.) > Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:58:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:47:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:46:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.34637.0> References: <<1998Feb27.14111.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I thought when you and you know who you are, went to GlassVisions last year, wore bungi cords. I thought that was a great idea. Didn't that work? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 13:59:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:50:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: smile Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:48:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.34851.0> References: <<1998Feb27.42431.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk :o) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 14:13:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: quick set cement Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:22:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.32216.0> References: <<1998Feb27.145840.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > Just poured my first test stepping stone, what a way to use all those tiny > pieces of stained glass we hate to throw away. I bought 'concrete even used glass "globs" nuggets. I was going to do this until a customer told me she made a stepping stone with marbles. Her best friend, who was wearing spiked heels)came over and slid on the marbles and broke her leg. So all I want to say here is beware. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 14:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:28:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: quick set cement Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:26:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.32612.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I still don't get it. What is Diamondcrete. I know I will never use it, cause it costs $35 to do one 16" stone. I'll wait 12 hours for my concrete to dry to save $34 thank you. (One 90 lb bag of premix costs $2.79 and makes three 14" round stones) Is Diamondcrete like concrete or is it like MosasicStone Cement? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 14:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: German Site - Pattern Downloads Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:25:42 -0800 Message-ID: <199802272015.MAA09275@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk Sorry, I have had computer/E-mail problems for the last 24 hours and have been unable to reply. I'm back on now, but lost all my mail from past 48 hours so don't have the address of the lady who asked for this info. This is in reply to a message requesting more info on the free downloadable patterns on the German Stained Glass site. Home Page for the German site is: http://bastelzauber.com/index.html from here select "NEWS" Half way down the page is a list, each begins with Download...... You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.01 for these downloads (but you need it for lots of things so if you don't already have it, I would suggest you get it anyway). Good Luck Jean jean@lasercom.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 14:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:53:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Comments(love birds) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980227124937.36a7f054@oregontrail.net> References: <<1998Feb26.145943.0>> Precedence: bulk you two love birds make me laugh!!!!!! dt M. Savad wrote: > idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means > i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. >Mike, in the future, when you choose to call me an idiot, >please exercise the maturity of spelling my name correctly. > >S H I R L E Y S U T E R >(who is failing miserably at taking her grandmother's advice >to never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed person.) >Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 15:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:16:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nh.ultranet.com!stacyf From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:07:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227160735.006a1f94@nh.ultranet.com> Precedence: bulk It just so happens that I'll be visiting Las Vegas the same time at the Expo. Does anyone know where exactly the tradeshow might be? I don't want to be in it, but I would like to see it. Thanks! Stacy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 15:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com Subject: Re: ouch! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:08:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.9843.0> References: <<1998Feb27.41958.0>> Precedence: bulk I always cement both sides and pick lightly then in about 48 hrs. or a little less, finish picking. I know some will disagree with me, but it's worked for the last 19 years ... I will agree the seedy must be covered with masking or other tape,but most of the other will come off nicely with a stiff brushing...(this is not a correction just a comment!!!!!OK??) Don writes: >Message text written by Mosfunland >>and I have a question, because I can't remember sh..ANYTHING! After >I >solder >the leads, when I putty, do I do one side, white it and let it set >for a= > >day >before doing the second side? should I start with the "good" side? >Hone= >st >to >heaven the things I can't remember. Any suggestions Christie?< > >You made me laugh this morning! Since I just got through with a >rather >large lead window myself, I can totally sympathize with your poor >aching >fingers. But I have good calluses on my fingers, so I probably don't >hur= >t >as much as you (ah, feel the pain!). > >Anyway...After you solder the joints, putty side one and white it and >let= > >it rest for a day. Then turn and do unto side two as you would have >done= > >to you. Should you start with the "good side"? Doesn't matter. >Which >ever side is facing up is the one you start with. One word of advice >- i= >f >you are using textured glass (including glue chip), cover the textured >si= >de >with contact paper or even Scotch tape to keep the putty out of the >texture. Clean up with a tooth pick on stray putty works well for me. > >Enjoy! ...Christie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 15:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:51:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:48:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.8486.0> References: <> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Can you picture a coulpe of hundred people wandering around Las Vegas wearing bungi-belts, (bungi cords hooked around the waist, ) OR baby-bungi necklaces/bracelets/headbands?? V T Phelps > ---- Glenna Rand wrote: <> > Any ideas on how to spot a fellow bungi member? > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 15:48:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:22:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.52237.0> References: <<1998Jan14.17194.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I asked this awhile back and received no answers. Could anyone help? Please? > > I am toying with the idea of building a stained glass display stand to > support a small free standing design. > I once put a beveled glass cube in a 200 degree oven to evaporate the > moisture that was in it. It melted the solder. I figured it was > because the heat was intensified by the sand and glass. > If light bulbs can bake cakes in kids ovens, then can it get hot enough > to melt the solder. And if so what precautions do you take? ie, vents > and distance between solder and light bulb? > Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:12:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: gjr@bungi.com, chick@cyberg8t.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:54:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.215426.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, We need to come up with an idea on how to spot eachother...I was thinking about Pins that have our screen names on them...Any other ideas?? Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:01:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:32:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.8322.0> References: <<1998Feb27.31340.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk A tiny drop of 5 min epoxy on a pair of closely sized solder balls/ blobs is what I would suggest if you want the solder look, or the ability to patina it. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- In a message dated 98-02-26 22:02:31 EST, Classydad@aol.com writes: > Any suggestions on affixing some "eyes" to a small cat suncatcher. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Michael J. Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: patina and putty Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 15:25:17 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.232517.0> References: <<1998Feb27.8645.0>> Precedence: bulk You don't use =3D > > patina when you cement, the cement > does the job for you. Polish up =3D > > that lead good with a nice wad of > horsehair! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Dani, Thanks! Horsehair, that one threw me for a minute! But it makes perfect sense! Now the search for a horse! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:46:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:48:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "mike peck" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Etching tempered glass Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 16:37:35 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.03735.0> References: <<1998Feb27.7350.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, For liability purpose alone, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole! It's amazing how someone who is sueing will trace that glass back to the people who designed it in their head!, just to get some money. Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net Subject: Etching tempered glass Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:18:18, -0500 Message-ID: <199802280018.TAA05924@mime4.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Mike, Sometimes you can see the effects of heat treatment by looking at the edge of tempered glass. This is not a sure test and we know that these panels were heat treated to bend them and so I would not rely on signs of heat treatment to prove tempering. The logos I have seen seem to be acid etched. You say the contractor will provide the stencils. Likely he has received them from the tempering facility. If so (and how to tacitly prove) I would do the job. Otherwise I would not touch it with a 10 foot stick. Now that I think of it, the contractor should be glad you seek to prove that tempering has been done and I would ask for proof straight out. I have had considerable success with sandblasting tempered glass. In my experience a full surface blasting has been no problem. Deeper sandblasting will sooner or later blow the glass up by allowing the inner tension to take over. Lightly sandblasting the tempering labels should not entail undue risk of exploding the glass. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 16:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: quick set cement Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:38:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb27.223837.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-27 17:14:19 EST, balloch@netbridge.net writes: << I was going to do this until a customer told me she made a stepping stone with marbles. >> The flat side of glass globs are on the walking surface as opposed to marbles that do not have a flat side. I have used globs in several stones and have not found them to be any more slick that any of the other glass on the stone. However, spike heels are another matter. They can get snagged on the curvature of the exposed marble, or any other surface such as carpeting. I have seen many women stumble, as I myself have, with any type of high heel. My philosophy regarding high heels is: If my particular Higher Power had wanted my heel off the ground higher than what it takes to walk, then he would have created by foot in that matter. Sorry for the off-glass comment, but just wanted to share a little about myself and my philosphy of life. I have several more philosphical types of comments but won't share them now. :) Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 17:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:33:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:32:38 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Las Vegas" on Feb 27, 16:07, stacyf@nh.ultranet.com writes:] > It just so happens that I'll be visiting Las Vegas the same time at the > Expo. Does anyone know where exactly the tradeshow might be? I don't want > to be in it, but I would like to see it. Thanks! It's at the Cashman Field Convention Centre -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 17:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:57:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Shame on you Shirley and Mike Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:59:23 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter and Mike Savad, shame on you. Is it really so hard to just ignore one another? Do you really have to hurl insults and names at one another in the Bungi forum? Come on, grow up. Sarah >>M. Savad wrote: >> >>> idiot shirly sutor bounces back every piece of mail i write. which means >>> i may write less becuase of her. very childish really. >> >> >>Mike, in the future, when you choose to call me an idiot, >>please exercise the maturity of spelling my name correctly. >> >>S H I R L E Y S U T E R >>(who is failing miserably at taking her grandmother's advice >>to never enter a battle of wits against an unarmed person.) >>Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 17:30:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Steve Richard" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.142836.0> Precedence: bulk Check out Spectrum's website- Jim Matthews wrote an article on this exact topic a couple of years ago in their Score Magazine. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard To: NCScouter Date: February 26, 1998 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Cutting frozen liquids, warm or cold... >In message <1998Feb25.17103.0@?>, NCScouter writes >............... >> >>1) Isn't the molecular structure of glass that of a liquid in a frozen >>state? >> >Well.... No. To quote from "Conservation of Glass" by Roy Newton and >Sandra Davison, p.3&4: > >>From a scientific standpoint, glass may be defined as the product of >the fusion of inorganic materials which has been cooled to a hard >condition without crystalization taking place. A clear understanding of >the structure of glass has only been achieved in the last 45 years. >Zachariasen was the first to make a significant advance and it is as a >result of his work, and that of subsequent researchers, that it is now >realized that the atoms in glass are linked together by strong forces, >essentially the same as those in crystals. Thus it is misleading to >describe glass as a supercooled liquid (as has formerly been the case), >at least when it is below the transition temperature. > >Later, on page 14 the transition temperature is described as the point >at which the temperature is high enough for the molecular structure to >become more random than in cooler anealed glass . > >(the spelling errors are mine, although I'd prefer to use 's' instead of >'z' pronounced 'zed'. I guess it' the result of being in the UK for >30years. And inspite of the saying "you can take the person out of >Kansas, but you cant take the Kansas out of the person") > >I'll still be interested to learn of the results of your experiments >with ice cubes. > >-- >Steve Richard >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 17:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:14:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.151342.0> Precedence: bulk I suspect that as you now know the temps at which solder will melt, you'll have to find out the temperature of the lightbulb's heat. There is no one answer- it depends on several variables, i.e. wattage/type of bulb, etc.Try a thermometer. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: mfig@netcom.ca Date: February 27, 1998 8:08 PM Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder >I never got this post. I have suspected for a long time, that I do not >get all of bungi's posts. >Thank you. I never thought the anwser would be so intricate. >Now the next question is how hot is a light bulb and at what distances? >> >> Re: your ? on solder melting temperatures, here's what I wrote awhile ago- >> >> Did you know that...yadda yadda... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 17:59:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.142340.0> Precedence: bulk Re: your ? on solder melting temperatures, here's what I wrote awhile ago= - Did you know that... ... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at 300= k is 11.4. Tin=92s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is ... oh, = never mind, that=92s way too much information. Solder is an alloy of tin and lead, and the proportion of the two affects the melting point, but in a strange way. The most suitable for almost all stained glass work, and most definitely copper foil work is 60/40 (60% ti= n, 40% lead... Helpful Jim)(a titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs...Ed). Looking at the two metals by themselves we see that tin melts at 450F and lead at 621F. But something really weird happens when y= ou combine the two- the melting point drops down to as low as 361F depending= on the mix of the two. Check this out: %TIN %LEAD MELTING POINT 0 100 621= F 30 70 496= F 50 50 421= F 60 40 375= F 63 37 361= F If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the melting po= int begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore 63/37 sol= der has the absolute lowest melting point. Pretty weird, eh? (what, you forgo= t about Marv Albert?...Mikey) And you thought that ratio was a gimmick? Wit= h respect to cost, the last time Stan (Mike=92s metals commodities broker) checked, tin was about ten times more expensive than lead, telling you wh= y solder prices vary according to the amount of tin they have. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: February 27, 1998 7:09 PM Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder >I asked this awhile back and received no answers. >Could anyone help? Please? >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 18:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.145423.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley- 60/40 solder melts at just over 600 degrees Fahrenheit. Beats me why it melted in a 200 degree oven. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 18:36:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:56:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Etching tempered glass Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.145431.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike- "Don't do it!", she yelled. You could get in big trouble. However, if you like that sort of lifestyle, I would have a rubber stamp made of the logo and use etching cream. ;-) Michael has blasted tempered glass... very carefully and with the customer's full understanding that the risk and cost was his. It's better to blast first then have it tempered though that generally works best if you do a straight blast. If you're = doing detail and subtle shading, you'll lose some of that during the tempering process. And, if you carve too deep, again the risk of breakage during tempering. Michael can tell if the glass has been tempered by the way the edge looks - it'll be easier to explain with a voice so call us over the weekend if you really want to know. Then YOU can explain it to the rest of the bungi crowd! Best regards, Dani Greer (719) 444-0409 = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 18:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Comments Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 12:05:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan5.6547.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, Mike, and to all To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it. - Confucious (551 - 479 B.C.) Patrick Rainbows and Roses (and slings and arrows) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 18:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: t-online.de!Tiffany-Glas From: Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de (Herbert Luidolt) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: German Site - Pattern Downloads Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:06:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <<199802272015.MAA09275@intergate.lasercom.net>> Precedence: bulk Jean schrieb: > Sorry, I have had computer/E-mail problems for the last 24 hours and have > been unable to reply. I'm back on now, but lost all my mail from past 48 > hours so don't have the address of the lady who asked for this info. > > This is in reply to a message requesting more info on the free downloadable > patterns on the German Stained Glass site. > > Home Page for the German site is: http://bastelzauber.com/index.html > from here select "NEWS" > > Half way down the page is a list, each begins with Download...... > > You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.01 for these downloads (but you need > it for lots of things so if you don't already have it, I would suggest you > get it anyway). > > Good Luck > > Jean > jean@lasercom.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi to all, Jean you need the Adobe Acrobat Reader only for look and print, not for the Download ;-) I work and think in one or 2 weeks i have some Englisch Text on our Page. The new Pattern for March are ready on Sunday. There are a Abstrakt works (i think). Our Designer (Bianka) have a new work. But only the Pattern. There are a picture with Faerie and landscape. Want anybody the pattern? Please wite and i will take the pattern on our Page or vial mail. Hello from Germany, herbert http://www.bastelzauber.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 19:30:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:03:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "Michael J. Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.17011.0> References: <<1998Feb27.145423.0>> Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Shirley- > > 60/40 solder melts at just over > 600 degrees Fahrenheit. Beats > me why it melted in a 200 degree > oven. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe it's more of a gradual heat. like the soak time in a kiln. i could probably melt solder with the sun and a magnifing glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 21:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:28:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp11.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: A disheartening quest. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <199802280127.UAA00237@violeta.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that proved fruitless. As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't want something very expesive (what about under US$20). Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. dmg -- Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man when he is alive and not after he is dead. F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 21:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:58:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RULES CHANGED!!!! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.12590.0> Precedence: bulk For a test lets see if we can melt 50/50 or 60/40 with a light bulb....we can start at 7 watts and go to 300 watts. For another test, put a pan of water in the oven, and on a tray of foil, put some solder, set the oven for 350 and see the water boil, see if the solder melts....betting it WILL NOT! (anyone willing to guess at the temperature of the boiling water) If it stayed in the oven for 100 years, the solder still will not melt. The temperature controlled with a thermostat will stay fairly constant. The temperature will not be cumulative and increase on its own. We are assuming Shirley is accurate in her tale or the temperature was correctly reported at 200 in the oven. Hope my plastic computer does not melt from cumulative light bulb usage on my desk. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 22:04:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199802280514.VAA02699@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk I don't believe I have EVER seen a lamp base for less than $35-40. They just don't come cheap! I order mine from Warner-Criv, or Delphi when they are on sale. They have always been cheaper than any store I have found. NOTE: If it's your first order with Delphi you get to take off 25%! Not to be sneezed at. Good Luck, Jean jean@lasercom.net ---------- > From: Daniel M. German > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: A disheartening quest. > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 5:27 PM > > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > proved fruitless. > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > dmg > > > > -- > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > when he is alive and not after > he is dead. > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 22:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:23:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:17:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.201710.0> References: <<199802280127.UAA00237@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Unlurking for a short moment, doing a show this weekend and way past when I should have been asleep. Are there any Home Depot, Lowe's or other big home improvement ware house type stores in your area? How about Wal-Mart, K-mart or Target to mention a few of the USA super stores? They all handle small lamps, and often very inexpensive brass or bronze bases. Or large Craft Stores of the 'Craft Depot' type. Hope this helps Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Daniel M. German wrote: > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > proved fruitless. > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > dmg > > -- > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > when he is alive and not after > he is dead. > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 22:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:34:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: horsehair/horsesense Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.142815.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Laurean [SMTP:vlclover@rconnect.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 3:25 PM To: Michael J. Greer Subject: Re: patina and putty Dani said? "You don't use patina when you cement, the cement does the job for you. Polish up that lead good with a nice wad of horsehair!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laurean said Hi Dani, Thanks! Horsehair, that one threw me for a minute! But it makes perfect sense! Now the search for a horse! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I talked to the SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), and they said that it is important to remove the hair from the horse first!!! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 27 23:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:37:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "Jean" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.143722.0> Precedence: bulk I can sell you mini bases for a lot less than $35 to $40. I can sell you midi bases for less than $40.00 I can sell anyone on the list bases! I have bases for sale! Will even throw in the bulb!!!!! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 01:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:28:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: quick set cement Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:36:19 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > However, spike heels are another matter. They can get snagged This is probably why it's illegal to wear high heels in New York City. Of course, women still wear them, but if they snag a heel and twist an ankle (or worse), they can't sue the City, 'cause they were in violation. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 04:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles Warner To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest.-in search of lamp bases Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.23230.0> References: <<199802280127.UAA00237@violeta.uwaterloo.ca>> Organization: Warner-Crivellaro Precedence: bulk Daniel: You should be able to find what you are looking for in any well stocked stained glass store. However if not; A quick look in my own catalog shows: Tiffany Jr. bases from 29.95 complete Mini bases from $12.95 (you supply the socket and cord, or order them separately for $3.37) mini bases from $19.95 completely wired Midi Bases from $21.95 completely wired Standard bases from $23.95 completely wired 3 light cluster bases from $79.95, completely wired We also stock Tiffany reproduction bronze bases These are first quality lamp bases at regular, every day prices. These prices do not take into account sales, quantity discounts or wholesale prices. We stock several hundred different styles of lamp bases. 176 page full color catalog featuring over 5,000 items can be purchased at: http://www.warner-criv.com email: info@warner-criv.com Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro 800-523-4242 or (610) 264-1100 800-523-4245 or (610) 264-5500 spanish speaking operators > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > proved fruitless. > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 07:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Howard and Elaine Rubin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: RULES CHANGED!!!! Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.5245.0> References: <<1998Feb27.12590.0>> Precedence: bulk Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > For a test lets see if we can melt 50/50 or 60/40 with a light bulb....we > can start at 7 watts and go to 300 watts. > For another test, put a pan of water in the oven, and on a tray of foil, put > some solder, set the oven for 350 and see the water boil, see if the solder > melts....betting it WILL NOT! (anyone willing to guess at the temperature of > the boiling water) > > If it stayed in the oven for 100 years, the solder still will not melt. The > temperature controlled with a thermostat will stay fairly constant. The > temperature will not be cumulative and increase on its own. > > We are assuming Shirley is accurate in her tale or the temperature was > correctly reported at 200 in the oven. > > Hope my plastic computer does not melt from cumulative light bulb usage on > my desk. > > enjoy, H > > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the thing is were not talking a whole roll of solder, just the thin solder bead. solder as a whole may not melt, as a whole. but in thin amounts, it may melt with less heat. and combine that with the glass heating up next to it, and the foil. their may be enough heat (hotter in other ovens), to melt some of that tinned out solder. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 08:20:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:30:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.52710.0> References: <<199802280514.VAA02699@intergate.lasercom.net>> Precedence: bulk Jean wrote: > > I don't believe I have EVER seen a lamp base for less than $35-40. They > just don't come cheap! I order mine from Warner-Criv, or Delphi when they > are on sale. They have always been cheaper than any store I have found. > > NOTE: If it's your first order with Delphi you get to take off 25%! Not to > be sneezed at. > > Good Luck, > > Jean > jean@lasercom.net > > ---------- > > From: Daniel M. German > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: A disheartening quest. > > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 5:27 PM > > > > > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > > proved fruitless. > > > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > > > dmg > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > > when he is alive and not after > > he is dead. > > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > > > > ---- yeah bases are kind of pricey, that's why i vowed never to spend a ton of money on a "common" metal base. instead for any lamp i make i'll try to make a glass base, like the fish lamp; and the soon to be Sky City lamp. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 09:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:04:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Jean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:02:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.7242.0> References: <<199802280514.VAA02699@intergate.lasercom.net>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk I don't know what size lamp base is needed, but I carry them from $17 and up, with the electrical being extra on most...from 3-5 bucks. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 09:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:54:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Solder on a hot tin roof Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:46:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.04652.0> Precedence: bulk just thinking here Howard, the sun on a hot day on a beach, the water in my glass does not boil but I do and the egg on my black car fries. radiant heat can do strange things. The oven air temp is set at 350, the element is red hot, the water is at 212, what temp will the solder reach if it is not on a heat dissipating or blocking surface. lots to consider here, but this is just musing, or is that amusing Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 8:59 PM To: bungi Subject: RULES CHANGED!!!! For another test, put a pan of water in the oven, and on a tray of foil, put some solder, set the oven for 350 and see the water boil, see if the solder melts....betting it WILL NOT! (anyone willing to guess at the temperature of the boiling water) If it stayed in the oven for 100 years, the solder still will not melt. The temperature controlled with a thermostat will stay fairly constant. The temperature will not be cumulative and increase on its own. sorry for you getting this twice H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 10:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi Life Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.82258.0> References: <<199802270244.CAA17649@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Dear All, I have 2 things to share, (well actually more but I'll try to limit it to just two for now anyhow!) 1) I love how bungians are so experimental: Lemon Juice Flux, Soot & Wax Patina, scoring and cutting practice on ice, hot & cold glass cutting, Homemade Cement Recipes, Scrap Yard Light Tables, 'Down-to-the-Last-Tiny-Bit' Glass Use Ideas... Y'all are the greatest!!! 2) A little more about my background. I'm one of those addictive personalities, i.e. "Hi my name is Valerie and I'm a glassaholic", OR "Hi my name is Valerie and I'm a computerholic." These two things are completely interchangable with me. I am completely and totally in love with both. I developed the curriculum for, and teach Computer Resource classes 3 days a week at a local private school to grades K-8. I teach everything from graphics manipulation to presentation, word-processing to spreadsheets, HTML and writing for the Web to desktop publishing for the yearbook and school paper. I'm also crazy about children but can't have any more. I'm thankful to have been blessed with a 16 year old son, (most of the time!) I have a wonderful husband who is a building contractor, and he even built my studios for me when I went professional! He bought my first grinder for me too, what a PEACH, eh? We bought a 120 year old post-Civil War house (USA Civil War that is,) to renovate and restore. (It still contains the original hand-cast glass in 70-75 percent of the [32] 6-over-6 wood windows too! YUMMY!) I started learning how to cut and work with glass when I was 12 and it came so naturally that I took it for granted for a while. I eventually began to realize that I could actually be artistic for the very first time in my life. That only with wonderful glass, lead, solder, and my own imagination, I could create something truly beautiful and carry that translation over in such a way that almost anyone could see and appreciate just what *I saw!! It was an incredible revelation for me. I had always been able to see beauty and appreciate beauty which others had the talent to create; but I had never been successful at trying to create anything of beauty myself--until I got serious about stained glass. It changed my life. It stretches me, encourages me, frees me, limits me gently, grows me. Here's one of the loveliest things... I can say those same things about bungi when it's at it's best. Wow. Thank you all so much! Thanks for sharing, in my life, my enthusiasm, my irritation(s), my befuddlement(s), and my glass work. I remain indebted and indeed, grateful. Always, Valerie Tydings Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "Smooth seas never made a good sailor." > ---- Toby wrote: > > Hi Dani, Hi All, > > First we have got lemon as flux, then ice and ice cubes (Thanks for > the challenge Valerie! Loved it. Freezer compartment full of Toby's > fish-fingers, so experiment will have to wait until onset of > summer...). > Now Dani has really excelled herself and found my "beloved > stove-black" in an American version. Beats patina any day!! <> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 10:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:26:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Etching tempered glass Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:30:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.93031.0> References: <<1998Feb27.7350.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Dear Mike P., this is the only one of your questions to which I feel any confidence in replying. If, indeed, these panels were tempered by the company which produced the curve, then the obligation to certify them rests solely with that same company as a matter of legality. If the contractor wants them stenciled as certified the only legally qualified company to do this is again, the company that tempered them or sold them to the contractor as tempered. If anyone gets injured from even noe of these panels turning out to be UNtempered glass and you/you company were paid to stencil them in order for them to be passed by the inspector & installed you could be held not only civilly liable for damages as a result of injury, but ALSO criminally for fraud, and conspiracy. I would walk far, FAR away from this job as tactfully as possible. V T Phelps (whose THIRD inanimate love in life is either music or United States Law!) Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "Respect for ourselves guides our morals; deference to others guides our manners." > ---- mike peck wrote: > > Hi All, <> > Second question, am I assuming any legal liability by placing a > certification label on a product that was made by someone else, and > should have been certified by them in the first place? > Mike Peck > Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 11:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:38:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:34:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.83443.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Albert Lewis", INTERNET:alewis@vgernet.net TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 2/27/98 5:25 PM RE: Re: IGGA News Memo Sender: alewis@vgernet.net Received: from vgernet.net (vgernet.net [205.219.186.1]) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with SMTP id RAA29622 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:25:15 -0500 (EST)= Message-Id: <199802272225.RAA29622@dub-img-1.compuserve.com> Received: (qmail 32186 invoked from network); 27 Feb 1998 22:25:17 -0000 Received: from napm4.vgernet.net (HELO albert-lewis) (208.144.209.34) by vgernet.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 1998 22:25:17 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Michael J. Greer" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:33:02 +0000 Subject: Re: IGGA News Memo Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) = > What IS the Architectural Art Glass > Light Show? Who is represented? > Why does it exist? What's it all about? Oy! So many questions! The Light Show was something I dreamed up a = few years ago out of sheer frustration that even a monthly full-color = magazine couldn't begin to show the wealth of work going on. So I got = eight slide projectors and four rear-projection screens, set it all = up in a dark room at Glass Craft Expo and ran 640 slides fading into = and out of each other simultaneously on four screens. People sat on = the floor and stayed for hours. From year to year, I'd change the = slides. The equipment's all gone now, but the slides remain and I'm = slowly putting them up online, as well as adding new slides as = they're sent in. Enough answers (for now)? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 11:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:53:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:53:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199802281842.KAA27509@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk >From several responses I have personally received it appears that I was unclear in my earlier response to Daniel's message. I would only buy from Delphi when items are ON SALE and/or you can get their 25% off. And then, only AFTER making a price comparison with W-C (as Delphi's sale prices are all too often STILL HIGHER than W-C regular prices). It now appears that many of our Bungi-ites can supply lamp bases at reasonable prices too. I was totally un-aware of this (being with Bungi for only 6 months, I have much yet to learn!). My feelings are, buy where you get the best quality for the best price, along with the best service (for me that has always been Warner-Criv.). Jean jean@lasercom.net > ---------- > > From: Daniel M. German > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: A disheartening quest. > > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 5:27 PM > > > > > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > > proved fruitless. > > > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > > > dmg > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > > when he is alive and not after > > he is dead. > > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 12:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Copy writing? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:44:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980228144448.006a63f8@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk Hello All, Will someone tell me where to get info on the procedure and price of copy writing patterns? Thanks, Dava glassurgeon@clis.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 12:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:57:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Solder melting in glass cubes. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:56:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.35624.0> References: <<1998Feb28.5245.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Thank you Mike Savad. Mike Figgy(Thank you too, guess this is why you are the only sanctioned stained glass in Canada) sent me a table of melting points for different radios of lead/tin. I used 50/50 which melts at 421F. I don't know about you, but my oven says it can go to 500F. Put a 3" square glass cube, 1/3 filled with sand and shells, in a 200F oven and bake for 20 minutes. You do melt the solder lines. Not all, but enough to make you more work. For you that have not been following this thread. I was making glass cubes with sand and shells in them. I had not made my cubes correctly. When I was soldering the thing together, flux dripped into the cube and clumped the sand. I was trying to evaporate the flux and get rid of the clumpy sand. Since then I have learned. Copper foil all the sides. Put the sides together, solder inside and out. Then when you put the lid on your cube, take your foil and stick it to the lid and side at the same time. Hard to explain. But you make a barrier with the foil, so the flux can't drop inside your cube. And of course you flux sparling. I have found that you still get moisture in the cube(living at the beach and all), but it disappears as mysteriously as it appeared. I know condensation and evaporation. What I am saying is, don't worry about it. > > the thing is were not talking a whole roll of solder, just the thin > solder bead. solder as a whole may not melt, as a whole. but in thin > amounts, it may melt with less heat. and combine that with the glass > heating up next to it, and the foil. their may be enough heat (hotter in > other ovens), to melt some of that tinned out solder. > > ---Mike Savad > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 12:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cat amongst the Pigeons...? Vaguely SG..... Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:57:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.195719.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-27 01:54:07 EST, suzy@ComCAT.COM writes: suzy@ComCAT.COM writes: << here in my little studio in Pennsylvania. >> Where in PA??? I live in Philadelphia - within a 1hr drive? Thanks I also wondered what the bungi meant - i chalked it off as the ISP provider. Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 13:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:26:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:24:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.202428.0> Precedence: bulk For lamp bases, have you considered mail order? I also will be doing my first lamp - practice...I was surprised at the base prices but decided to get a nice one that would eventually be placed under a really nice (after I've practiced) lampshade...i believe in re-cycling. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 13:30:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:28:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:27:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.202717.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-28 01:05:07 EST, jean@lasercom.net writes: << I don't believe I have EVER seen a lamp base for less than $35-40. >> I've seen them as low as $13 - admittedly they are small (maybe about 7") ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 13:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:36:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copy writing? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:35:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.43539.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980228144448.006a63f8@mail.clis.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Here is there online address http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ > > Hello All, > > Will someone tell me where to get info on the procedure and price of copy > writing patterns? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 13:59:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:14:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "pkelly" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: patina and putty Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 15:02:38 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.23238.0> References: <<12D4EB8A.DA9B942B@n-link.com>> Precedence: bulk ---------- > Are we looking for a horse or a horse's ass. I know plenty. There are = 12 > in my backyard now (horses with tails). > (8-) > > Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ So.....what are you implying? Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 14:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:29:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: "Laurean" To: "Glenn Spicer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: horsehair/horsesense Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 15:19:28 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb28.231928.0> References: <<1998Feb27.142815.0>> Precedence: bulk > I talked to the SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals)= , > and they said that it is important to remove the hair from the horse = > first!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OHHHHH! I didn't think of that! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 14:45:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: white lines and bevels, the saga continues Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199802281626.QAA00302@jackel.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk First, a thank you to all who responded to my queries regarding sealed glazing units. I havn't had a chance to get back on the computer till now as I have been stripping, cleaning and rebuilding the panels that I had cemented, in the process learning that it is frustratingly difficult to clean the cement out of glue chip glass. I also learned that companies that sell household washing liquids marketed as "kind and gentle to your hands" should have their marketing directors immersed in a tub of it. Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same phrases to mean wildly different things, for the double glazing business the phrase "hand made glass" is what we would call a leaded panel while "H section" is a particular size of the edge spacer that they use in the sealed units. By the way, is there an equivalent name for "sealed unit double glazing" in the U.S.? One problem that I have overcome is the fitting of the knife edge bevels that are sold here without using cement. A very light "C" section came sold here as "sun catcher came" when stretched will fit nicely in the channel of normal came and hold the thin edges of the bevels very snugly. Now all that is left is to find if the customer is happy. Mike Simpson. d ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 15:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:10:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: lamp bases Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980228220653.0068786c@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Daniel: There is more that one way to skin a cat. The prices our good friends at bungi are quoting are US$ so, we to the north must factor in the exchange. You could start checking out the used furniture and antique stores, flea markets, and now that the good weather is near at hand, don't forget that wonderful invention - the yard sales! There is a vast treasure trove out there waiting to be discovered. Start hunting! Linda GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 15:14:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:12:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: clis.com!glassurgeon From: Kopp To: All Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Oops! I meant Copyrighting? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980228171152.0069657c@mail.clis.com> Precedence: bulk Oops, Please allow me to correct myself before everyone else does. Hello All, Will someone tell me where to get info on the procedure and price of COPYRIGHTING patterns? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 15:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:43:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:47:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.114738.0> References: <<199802280514.VAA02699@intergate.lasercom.net>> Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk We sell lamp bases for the smaller shades starting at about $18 - $25. Larger bases are a little more, but not by much. Jean, what part of the country do you live in? Thanks Zane Jean wrote: > > I don't believe I have EVER seen a lamp base for less than $35-40. They > just don't come cheap! I order mine from Warner-Criv, or Delphi when they > are on sale. They have always been cheaper than any store I have found. > > NOTE: If it's your first order with Delphi you get to take off 25%! Not to > be sneezed at. > > Good Luck, > > Jean > jean@lasercom.net > > ---------- > > From: Daniel M. German > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: A disheartening quest. > > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 5:27 PM > > > > > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > > proved fruitless. > > > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > > > dmg > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > > when he is alive and not after > > he is dead. > > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 15:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:13:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: chescom.net!dmm From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina and putty Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:11:17 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk If you want to find a cheap source for horsehair for polishing, check out the shoe department at K-mart or WalMart. Kiwi shoe brushes are usually made of horsehair. (mine is) >>> "Laurean" 02/27 5:25 PM >>> You don't use =3D > > patina when you cement, the cement > does the job for you. Polish up =3D > > that lead good with a nice wad of > horsehair! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Dani, Thanks! Horsehair, that one threw me for a minute! But it makes perfect sense! Now the search for a horse! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 16:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:48:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:41:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199802282346.XAA18766@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Daniel, This may sound outrageous, but have you considered making you OWN lamp-base?? Foir instance, out of an interesting & unusual shaped bottle/ glass container. All you need to do is to drill a hole for the cable and make sure you have a top that will accommodate the bulb-holder etc. Weight the innards of the bottle with either clear scrap-glass, gravel or interesting coloured small stones (which will also hide the cable). Small,hollow, interesting shapes of tree-stubs with roots as lamp-feet. I have a whole collection of various sized hollow tree-roots drying out and ready for processing, gathered for nothing during my walks with Toby in the country-side.. Again, once you have cleaned them and polished them (and occasionally dipped them in wood-hardener) and "balanced" them (i.e. sawing bits off here & there), make a hole to thread the cable through, fill up the hollow with scrap lead and wood-filler, find/make something for the top that will also hold the bulb-holder. I know it sounds simplistic, but this way you can certainly make your lamp to suite your base. And what can be more exciting than a natural shape that Mother Nature has offered you as a gift - for nothing.... No more bus-rides and no more tears.... ;-) And certainly DIFFERENT!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that > > proved fruitless. > > > > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this > > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have > > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. > > > > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I > > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, > > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I > > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, > > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for > > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. > > > > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They > > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished > > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... > > > > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind > > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't > > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). > > > > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? > > > > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. > > > > dmg > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man > > when he is alive and not after > > he is dead. > > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " > > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 17:17:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: white lines and bevels, the saga continues Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:52:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199802282356.XAA20545@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Sorry Mike, I had to laugh! In sympathy - mainly.... A bunch of "Fairies", ... yes...? :-> I also learned that companies that sell household washing liquids marketed as "kind and gentle to your hands" should have their marketing directors immersed in a tub of it. Something I am still trying to make sense of, especially since a lot of terminology is "imported" from other English speaking countries and take on yet ANOTHER different meaning.... :-( Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same phrases to mean wildly different things, for the double glazing business the phrase "hand made glass" is what we would call a leaded panel while "H section" is a particular size of the edge spacer that they use in the sealed units. By the way, is there an equivalent name for "sealed unit double glazing" in the U.S.? Yep, I know the one you mean; Goodness, how much did you stretch it though? I know it's fairly thin, but I didn't know that they could be stretched THAT much... A very light "C" section came sold here as "sun catcher came" when stretched will fit nicely in the channel of normal came and hold the thin edges of the bevels very snugly. He'd BETTER be!!!! Now all that is left is to find if the customer is happy. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. Did you get any joy from Kansa-Glass??? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 18:20:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Off Topic: Looking for Cody..... Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:37:14 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Mar1.173714.0> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Apologies to the Group. I've been waiting for a reply to an urgent email from Cody, the Glass Guru, for a while, and my follow-up message, sent just now, was a failed delivery. Please, Cody, or anyone in touch with him currently, could you email me privately? Much appreciated, and many thanks to you all for putting up with this message. -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 18:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:41:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:39:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.133927.0> References: <<199802282346.XAA18766@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Toby (with Elisabeth's help) wrote: > This may sound outrageous, but have you considered making you OWN > lamp-base?? I completely agree, Elisabeth. A client of mine made a lampbase using copper pipe and fittings (he's a plumber). I designed and constructed a flat-panel lamp with the appearance of a pipe maze. The crowning glory was the sink stopper finial. A most unique piece that looks wonderful in his young son's room. > Small,hollow, interesting shapes of tree-stubs with roots as > lamp-feet. I have a whole collection of various sized hollow > tree-roots drying out and ready for processing... Dried cactus branches are also great (and free in the desert). I am in the process of designing a shade with cactus flowers for a lampbase I'm constructing from cactus "skeletons" collected on my last trip to Arizona. Should be quite unusual. Living in my head is also a design of a geode lampbase with an agate slice shade.......aaahhhhhhh, SOMEDAY! Thanks Elisabeth...now I feel less weird about my "nature's treasures" collecting. Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 18:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lamp bases Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Garry and Linda wrote: >Daniel: There is more that one way to skin a cat. The prices our good >friends at bungi are quoting are US$ so, we to the north must factor in the >exchange. You could start checking out the used furniture and antique >stores, flea markets, and now that the good weather is near at hand, don't >forget that wonderful invention - the yard sales! There is a vast treasure >trove out there waiting to be discovered. Start hunting! >Linda >GARRY & LINDA McKENNA Also, for those of us in Ontario, there is another cost consideration - and that is CSA approval. Any electrical product you buy from an Ontario retailer has to have gone therough the Canadian Safety Association (I think that's what it stands for) Inspection. These inspections are thorough but expensive, and they add a few dollars to the cost of our lampbases (and grinders, and soldering irons), and they are not included in any product bought from the US or Quebec. Also, these days, you can approximate the real CDN$ cost of ordering from the States by doubling the US$ amount. By the time you factor in exchange rate (now over 40% or over 50% if you use a credit card) , frieght costs, customs fees and brokerage fees and you will still have to pay GST, you will be paying at least double. And then if you don't like what you got, good luck returning it! I speak from much frustrating experience - buy Canadian! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 19:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:28:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Elisabeth - What a wonderful idea! I'll be heading out to the local beach tomorrow to search for some new driftwood lamp bases! Sarah >Dear Daniel, >Small,hollow, interesting shapes of tree-stubs with roots as >lamp-feet. I have a whole collection of various sized hollow >tree-roots drying out and ready for processing, gathered for nothing >during my walks with Toby in the country-side.. Again, once you have >cleaned them and polished them (and occasionally dipped them in >wood-hardener) and "balanced" them (i.e. sawing bits off here & >there), make a hole to thread the cable through, fill up the hollow >with scrap lead and wood-filler, find/make something for the top >that will also hold the bulb-holder. I know it sounds simplistic, but >this way you can certainly make your lamp to suite your base. >And what can be more exciting than a natural shape that Mother Nature >has offered you as a gift - for nothing.... >No more bus-rides and no more tears.... ;-) And certainly >DIFFERENT!!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >> > Here I am, fellow SGers, taking the bus back home after a quest that >> > proved fruitless. >> > >> > As I expressed in a previous message, I am a starter of this >> > trade. For my next project I have decided to make a tiny lamp. I have >> > sort of chosen my glass --although I have not created my pattern yet. >> > >> > So why backwards? Because, with no experience with lamps whatsoever, I >> > have prefer to find a lamp stand and build my lamp around it. So far, >> > so good. Unfortunately, the only SG store reachable by bus --as I >> > don't have a car-- stocks only very expensive Tiffany-style stands, >> > which are in the neighborhood of 60 to 100 Can. dollars. Too much for >> > a project that wants to be a practice rather than a polish project. >> > >> > To go to a lightining store today I decided. Futile it was. They >> > stocked Tiffany's, but did not sell the hardware, only the finished >> > product. The owner suggested I tried the SG stores around... >> > >> > So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind >> > of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't >> > want something very expesive (what about under US$20). >> > >> > Or, what about those hanging lamps? Where can I the hardware buy? >> > >> > Any leads will be gratefully appreciated. >> > >> > dmg >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Daniel M. German "Let us show our friendship for a man >> > when he is alive and not after >> > he is dead. >> > F. Scott Fitzgerald -> " >> > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >> > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca >> > >> > >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 19:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Horsehair brushes Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:27:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.152723.0> Precedence: bulk Another good horsehair brush for polishing up that lead came we discovered by accident - Mike bought a new bench brush for me at the local lumber store. It kept sprouting legs and walking off only to be found on Michael's workbench! He finally "fessed up that he was using it to polish up = the cames - worked better than anything he'd ever used. You know what - he's right. So look for this and buy two: #54 Horsehair counter duster made by Magnolia Brush Mfg. Inc. out of Clarksville, TX - about $5. Every once in a while you find a tool that's downright irreplaceable! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 19:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:27:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "NCScouter" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bungi Life Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 21:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199803010225.VAA20210@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Valerie, Thanks for the great letter. It's always good to know who we're communicating with! Your new house sounds great. You have your work "cut out" for you. Although the old glass is pretty itself. Maybe you could incorporate some of that in your panels, if you choose to "glass" the house yourself. This paragraph of yours touched me: >I started learning how to cut and work with glass when I was 12 and it came so naturally that I took it for granted for a while. I eventually began to realize that I could actually be artistic for the very first time in my life. That only with wonderful glass, lead, solder, and my own imagination, I could create something truly beautiful and carry that translation over in such a way that almost anyone could see and appreciate just what *I saw!! It was an incredible revelation for me. I had always been able to see beauty and appreciate beauty which others had the talent to create; but I had never been successful at trying to create anything of beauty myself--until I got serious about stained glass. It changed my life. It stretches me, encourages me, frees me, limits me gently, grows me. Here's one of the loveliest things... I can say those same things about bungi when it's at it's best. Wow. Thank you all so much! Thanks for sharing, in my life, my enthusiasm, my irritation(s), my befuddlement(s), and my glass work. I remain indebted and indeed, grateful. My own personal note: I grew up in the shadow of a very talented mother, a watercolor artist. I cannot draw and thought for years, "I am not creative." Even when I heard the word "creative" I would cringe. Then I found stained glass! By some miracle I have inherited from her, a good sense of color, and what better medium than light and glass? You have said exactly how I feel. Thanks! Suzanne Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 20:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:47:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyageur.ca!ace From: ace To: "\"glass@bungi.com\"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass with tile Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:48:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.154853.0> Precedence: bulk re doing our kitchen, would like to have some stained glass incorperated with the tile .have never attemped anything like this before . open to suggestions. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 22:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:23:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass with tile Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:00:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.16039.0> References: <<1998Jan28.154853.0>> Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk Hey Ace, This is a golden opportunity for you to play with stained glass mosaic 'coasters'! The mold for the sqaure ones are the same size as a 4" wall tile, and they can be applied the exact same way as regular ceramic tiles too. You could incorporate a running pattern into several adjacent coaster/tiles or a random kinda thing. I even like the idea of using some textured pieces turned backwards and just as an example incorporating into the same tile real seashells with a seahorse, mermaid, or fish. You could do the same kinda thing with land snail shells and some vegetables from the garden, or a stick cleaned of its bark and lightly polished with a stained glass caterpiller climbing it... You get the idea. Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. PS - I just found a special mold in a masonry supply catalog that's 2"d X8"w X16"l. I'm dreaming up a pattern of a flower bed that I could use these adhered to each block around the house foundation. Then I could have a totally weed-free, year-round garden with all the colors that *I want no matter what the light, soil, or planting zone!!! Whaddya'll think? Maybe I could do a different time of year on each face of the house? Include a representation of the neighbor's beastly mutt doing his daily foundation christening?? Better yet, a stained glass picture of a 75 lb kitty cat with the latter dog's tail still hanging from its Cheshire-like jaws!?? > ---- ace wrote: > > re doing our kitchen, would like to have some stained glass incorperated > with the tile .have never attemped anything like this before . open to > suggestions. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 22:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:45:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass with tile Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:45:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.13454.0> References: <<1998Jan28.154853.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk How about making your own tile back splash with stained glass and Mosasic Stone Cement. The stuff they are selling to make coasters with. It looks and acts like tile. You could carry your theme over into the back splash. Then for some extra accents, make a couple of trivets to go with that. As for using the coasters as tile, I have been trying to find that out. But maybe a few set in with regular tile, at places that would not get alot of use. ace wrote: > > re doing our kitchen, would like to have some stained glass incorperated > with the tile .have never attemped anything like this before . open to > suggestions. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 23:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:56:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cat eyes Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:13:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.201314.0> References: <<199802270454.XAA29833@uz.comcat.com>>> Precedence: bulk >Suzanne had several good suggestions on eyes. I've used paint before, >also, but what I usually use for eyes on my hummingbirds, goldfish, >etc. >are little solder blobs that I glue on. I often have little drops of >solder that dry up with a flat bottom and rounded top that work out >perfectly for eyes. > >Steph ~ > > I too like to use solder blobs as eyes. I flux a wooden board and drop blobs of hot solder from my iron onto the board. The flux on the board makes them pull up high and round, then I wash, dry and dip them into silicone caulk and stick them on. If you plan to patina, do it before gluing. Another technique I use is to solder a wire into a solder seam and bend it to a contour that complements the design, then apply a dab of solder to the end ( or in some cases the middle) of the wire as the eye. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 28 23:20:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:59:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply all Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:41:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb27.19414.0> References: <<1998Feb27.145840.0>> Precedence: bulk >> What I do is hit the reply all button, >LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button >now I >won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong >people. I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into an address book. If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will not get the response. And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book, she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not.. Am I wrong? Gary Dodge _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 1 00:39:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (a/k/a Tracy)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A disheartening quest./Clarification Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 01:18:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb28.191842.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I love that idea!!! Not much here in the city but next time I go camping I'll be scoping out the shores of Northern Minnesota for that idea! Thanks! > > >Dear Daniel, > > >Small,hollow, interesting shapes of tree-stubs with roots as > >lamp-feet. I have a whole collection of various sized hollow > >tree-roots drying out and ready for processing, gathered for nothing > >during my walks with Toby in the country-side.. Again, once you have > >cleaned them and polished them (and occasionally dipped them in > >wood-hardener) and "balanced" them (i.e. sawing bits off here & > >there), make a hole to thread the cable through, fill up the hollow > >with scrap lead and wood-filler, find/make something for the top > >that will also hold the bulb-holder. I know it sounds simplistic, but > >this way you can certainly make your lamp to suite your base. > >And what can be more exciting than a natural shape that Mother Nature > >has offered you as a gift - for nothing.... > >No more bus-rides and no more tears.... ;-) And certainly > >DIFFERENT!!! > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass