From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 01:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 01:00:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: subscribe Date: Thu Jan 1 01:00:33 1998 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971114210229.007380ec@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, Please add my name on to the mailing list. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely, Lorna ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 04:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 04:02:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Well, it's a good book and certainly the > most recent thing I've read about the > subject. Not to mention it's the only book on the subject. > a little promoting! Good grief! How often > do the newcomers to this site hear about > the International Guild of Glass Artists, > Mr. Director? You are almost as bad as > my husband who is Mr. Understatement = > personified! For example, when I signed > us up as members of I.G.G.A., I was thrilled > to learn that I would get membership logos > to put on my shop door as part of the cost. Aw, it *is listed in the benefits of membership on the Guild's site ... and I think it's also mentioned in the printed materials. > you ask? Because I.G.G.A.'s logos are > about the size of a quarter, clear with > thin black print.... VERY subtle... Too bad ... I didn't realize anyone felt that way about the size of the membership sticker ... I just had them re-done, too, with the 1998-1999 dates and certainly could have had them made larger. Next year? Perhaps you should remind me in about 12 months time. Have a happy! We stayed in last night; it's bitterly cold here -- 1 degree when we went to bed at 10 (yes, I know, real party poopers we are). We were going to watch some of the celebrations on TV but the cable went out at 10 so that was it on the festivities. A friend of ours had given us a bottle of Moet (very nice) and a bunch of goodies (anchovies, caviar, German cookies), so we had some of those and called it our own little celebration. Made resolutions ... one resolution, anyway: join a health club here locally to swim away some of my keyboarding tension. We'll see if I can keep that. Say hi and happy new year to Michael, The Understated. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 04:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New Year's Wishes Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:21:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan1.22123.0> References: <<199712302342.SAA25064@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk My wish for New Year's is that I begin to believe that stained glass design is infinitely more beautiful when created with big pieces with straight edges than small pieces with lots of curves. ;-) Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 10:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:27:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: plant buddies Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:22:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan1.18226.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Len are you the one that attaached a file for plant buddies and if so do I need a special unzip to retrieve it? it asks for disk something or other to unzip deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 10:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New Year's Wishes Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:30:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan1.183059.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I second that Hilary!!:) Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 16:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro), Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sand Blasting 'Parts' Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 30 Dec 97, Wayne Munro wrote: > Happy New Year Gang! > ...Can anyone out there tell me what size sandblast nozzles I should be > using for etching and sand carving? Also, where I can get them? > ...What kind of sand (Grit?) would you recommend? > > I am trying to teach myself this technique and I could sure use some > pointers!! Thanks... > Wayne I found a catalog site that sells sand blasting equipment, that was most informative, even without contacting them http://www.etchworld.com/ They might be of help Myrddn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 1 18:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:00:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eaglei.net!spinn From: spinn@eaglei.net (Stephen Pinn) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sand Blasting 'Parts' Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:58:47 GMT Message-ID: <1998Jan2.15847.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: PinnCorp Precedence: bulk Myrddn, thanks for the information but I think you ment to send it to Wayne Munro. Steve On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:24:00 +0000, you wrote: >On 30 Dec 97, Wayne Munro wrote: > >> Happy New Year Gang! >> ...Can anyone out there tell me what size sandblast nozzles I should = be >> using for etching and sand carving? Also, where I can get them?=20 >> ...What kind of sand (Grit?) would you recommend? >>=20 >> I am trying to teach myself this technique and I could sure use some >> pointers!! Thanks... >> Wayne > > >I found a catalog site that sells sand blasting equipment, that was most= =20 >informative, even without contacting them > >http://www.etchworld.com/ > >They might be of help >Myrddn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 2 14:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D3D47960" Subject: RE: plant buddies Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:48:02 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.14482.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D3D47960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds great.. I could snali mail him..Thanks again. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Thaxton [SMTP:mthaxton@softcom.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 1998 3:34 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: plant buddies I used to work for a man Named Phil, he makes kilns. I could give you info if you would like. His buiseness Rainbow Glass and Beads is in Sacramento Ca. Hope this helps. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 4:44 PM Subject: RE: plant buddies Talking about reviving.. George bought me a nice, very nice kiln for Christmas.. I know that kiln work has been replaced by mosaics as the trend, but all ideas would be apprecieited.. Would like to start with the folded candle shelter, but would like to to do a lot more.. Was there a pair of girls in Floriada, maybe "Fantasia?" that has a kiln line.... thanks you. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo [SMTP:alcamoz@mwt.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 11:33 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: plant buddies This might be of interest to folks who make suncatchers I have been rummaging around in my old stuff and found a few of my *plant buddy* prototypes. These were essentially small 6-8 piece copper foiled ditties.... cute multi-color insect forms in side view with the wings up and a segmented body............ they were soldered to a lenght of bronze brazing rod which is nice and stiff and easy to solder. The marketing idea was to stick one, or better yet several :-) down into the pot of a nice plant and have it positioned in an attractive light catching manner. Sold a bunch of these at one point and I was wondering if they ever became a standard hobbiest item. If not they might be worth reviving....can never have too many variations in the craft and novelties market. 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Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D9089100" Subject: RE: Taurus II- 2, Need some help Please Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:58:43 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.145843.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D9089100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I have the Diamond Max, and never thought of that one.. Do you just attach a hose to the hose that is projuding.. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 10:00 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Taurus II- 2, Need some help Please Hi Brenda, Not very hard to take care of, change the water every 2-3 days depending on your use, if it will not be used in several days, drain it, clean well, and check the grommets for wear. When I start to use mine, I either pour ice (or a block of 'Blue Ice') in the left hand side. It is supposed to prolong the life of the blade, and does cut better. Don't over fill, but make sure the blade is wet when cutting. The black rubber drive belt carries the water to the blade. When draining and cleaning do not immerse the motor, and dry well when done. Be careful not to use a 'rag' or other cloth when the blade is running. If you need to wipe the work surface use a sponge. In Florida's wet climate, put one or two drops of bleach in the water (not more) to keep pond scum from growing. I'm in Sarasota, Florida. One other tip, for Diamond Max grinder owners, attach a 4-6 foot long clear plastic tube to the discharge line of the grinder. Use a ring clamp to secure it tight, and run this new 'drain' line to a 2-3 gallon bucket on the floor under your bench. Voila-no more overflowing drain water cups. And put a few drops of bleach in the bucket with the water to keep the pond scum down, too. Enjoy, both gismo's make my life a lot easier, and I cut soft metals with the ring saw too. If you cut precious metals, you can precipitate out the cuttings to be sent back to the refiners. I do jewelry too. The Diamond Max/Bevel Max are great for limited stone polishing, when I've gotten a nick in a gemstone. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Ken Neil wrote: > > Santa bought me for Christmas a Taurus II, and I just love it!! The only > thing I'm a little disappointed with is it didn't come with any > instructions on when and how to clean the saw??? How often do you change > the water? I imagine you have to be real careful not to get the motor > wet?? I know a lot of you guys have the same saw.....Please let me know > what you think is best. Of course any other comments or suggestions on > the saw are always welcome and greatly appreciated. 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1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D66AB4A0" Subject: RE: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:56:02 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.14562.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD17A2.D66AB4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Luck with the Paragon.. It is a nice kiln.. Easy to use.. If you = need help, leave me know.. Pretty confident with the Paragon.. There are = or were some decent pattern books and slumping molds, I think from = "Sunshine"', Made some 3-D roses on a trellis a few years ago... I do = have the books and can you the titles if you like.. the molds I bought = about 2 - 3 years ago..=20 Best fusing to you. Gloria Or as Gil Reynolds says, "Keep a warm kiln" -----Original Message----- From: leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 10:11 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Me too PJ, still haven't gotten all the Christmas orders finished, nose to the grinder stone. =20 Happy New year to everyone, may 1998 be more profitable for everyone, and not 'clump' up the orders so much. =20 Santa brought me a scanner and a Paragon insta-heat little kiln, so will be busy glassing and finally getting some pictures together for my web site. Now all I have to do is get the web site set up. Joy oh Joy, how come there is not 3 of me?? Tonight is New Years eve, the one night of the year I guaranty I will stay home, and not fight the traffic. And last for PJ, one cup of coffee a day may keep the headaches away. I drink tea, and lots of it. Coffee gives me an upset stomach, but a cup when I have a headache works. Best Wishes for 1998 to all, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations pj friend wrote: >=20 > dani wrote, >=20 > >"Going too fast, too much on the > >plate" - Boy, can we relate, Albert!! > >I truly cannot remember the last > >time I was bored.... and think what > >a blessing that is, really. >=20 > Bored??/ I wanna be bored!! At least for five minutes so I can = remember what > it felt like. I would also like one day to get more than 6 hours = sleep and > be able to have one conversation without call waiting going off. >=20 > I would also like to have a pot of coffee in front of me. (can you = tell I > gave it up?) >=20 > Anyone else have some new years wishes??? Besides the world peace one = and > no hunger and good health. >=20 > Lets share and make them funny. >=20 > I will go first this time. >=20 > For New Years I wish that 1998 would not go as fast as 1997. That = summer > would be a true four or five months instead of the blink of an eye. > I wish that Paris would move closer to New Jersey or that if thats = impossible > the ride on the Concorde didn't make me so sick. > I also wish that our apprentice could go to the men who cloned Dolly = and > get herself cloned. >=20 > And last but certainly not least. 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Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:42:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 357.com!dward From: David Ward To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus II- 2, Need some help Please Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:43:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.17437.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: DLWA Precedence: bulk Have had a Taurus for a couple of months. When you cut for a few hours, the sentiment really goes all over the bottom. I recommend you clean it after each major using. Also, the idea of using ice cubes really works. If you want more info, contact me at dward@357.com. Good luck, David Ken Neil wrote: > Santa bought me for Christmas a Taurus II, and I just love it!! The only > thing I'm a little disappointed with is it didn't come with any > instructions on when and how to clean the saw??? How often do you change > the water? I imagine you have to be real careful not to get the motor > wet?? I know a lot of you guys have the same saw.....Please let me know > what you think is best. Of course any other comments or suggestions on > the saw are always welcome and greatly appreciated. Thanks Brenda > > ******************************************************************** > Been There........ > Done That! > Ken Neil > Jupiter, Florida > ******************************************************************** > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 2 22:14:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:14:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Is this thing on? Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.195459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi. If I don't see this by tomorrow, I'll apply again. -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 2 22:32:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:32:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Is this thing on? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:32:41 -0800 Message-ID: <199801030628.WAA26659@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk looks like we're not the only one who is wondering what's going on. ---------- > From: Carl Childers > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Is this thing on? > Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:54 PM > > Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi. > If I don't see this by tomorrow, I'll apply again. > > -- > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative > altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's > most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for > others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 2 22:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:34:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sagelink.net!pkelly From: patkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is this thing on? Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:30:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan2.163033.0> References: <<1998Jan2.195459.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes Carl it is on. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Carl Childers wrote: > Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi. > If I don't see this by tomorrow, I'll apply again. > > -- > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative > altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's > most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for > others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 2 23:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:03:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: no body home???? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <199801030703.XAA25395@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Seems if we are not debating the great coat hanger fiasco, we have nothing to say! Sad...............ask me a lamp question. I will have answers to a few pending requests shortly..........actually been working. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 05:41:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 05:40:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Light box design Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan3.33455.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi and Happy New Year, We are in the process of designing my stained glass room (we have enough room in the house to provide two hobbie rooms, one for my husband and one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with the rest of the counter. Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks have already been through. Questions: 1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure the light from below? I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm cutting. 2. How many lamps underneath should be used? What size? If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative. Thanks, Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 06:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Light box design Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan3.42158.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:glass@bungi.com >Questions: 1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure the light from below? I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm cutting. 2. How many lamps underneath should be used? What size?< My dad made me a light table using 3 side-by-side Morton mini surfaces with a large light box underneath. He used clear Plexiglass cross braces to support the Morton surfaces. He placed them about one every 6 inches, and they sit down into the light box so that when the Morton surfaces are laying atop them, they create a surface area flush with the wooden frame. Under them is a couple of shop florescent lamps (regular type). I lined the box with aluminum foil to help reflect= the light up out of the box, but I probably should have just painted it white= =2E This setup lets you use both surfaces of the Morton system - the grid for cutting and the flat surface for glass selection and pattern work. I actually have my light table in a free-standing box atop some table legs (purchased from Home Depot), which are atop some wheels. This way I can wheel the light table out into the middle of the room, 'set' the table by putting its wheels in plastic 'stops' (I don't know = their technical name) so that it doesn't roll around. I can now cut very= large sheets of glass, walk around the table to cut from any angle, have customers on one side while I'm on the other, etc. I also marked a ruler on two sides of the box so that I have a handy guide right there.= You can dump the glass shards into the light box as needed, and then sweep it up with a brush for safe disposal. This sure keeps the floor area clean! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 06:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lamp question for Howard Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:21:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan3.42153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk OK Howard - you asked people for lamp questions. Here's one of mine. I've got a 20" Worden system lampshade, pattern #P20-4 Rose which has a crown. I've been working on this lampshade off and on for over a year.= I've got the sections finished and soldered inside & final outside bead f= or the main part of the lampshade. But how do I do the crown? It consists = of a ring, which I have elected to make out of small glass squares, and then= the 'crown' section coming off the ring at a flare. Questions: 1. How do I attach the hanging hardware to the lampshade body? 2. How do I attach the ring of glass in the crown to the lampshade body? 3. How do I attach the crown? Any and all answers greatly appreciated, as I have gotten pretty disguste= d with this lamp and cannot get my motivation up to finish it. Thanks. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 07:37:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Lamp Question Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 10:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199801031537.KAA10610@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Howard, When you select glass for your lamps, how do you do it? Do you view the glass through incandescent light, and do you have some kind of system rigged up to do that? What kind of glass is most effective for the kind of lamps you do? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 09:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:06:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reinforcing Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:06:43 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful holiday season. I have a question regarding reinforcing. I'm making a square project with some bevels in it. The final piece will be about 23" x 23" and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass. How should I reinforce this? I was planning on running some strongline through the project. What direction do I weave it through the project? Will this be sufficient reinforcing? I am making this for a friend and don't want it to fall apart. Also, when mounting it should they leave some air space? The climate is cold in the winter and I am not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two glass pieces. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 14:10:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:09:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: no body home???? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:02:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan3.22210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-03 03:02:00 EST, you write: > Seems if we are not debating the great coat hanger fiasco, we have nothing > to say! > Dont't worry Howard I'm not gonna say another word about it, but I think I have it figured out..... it kinda tells us what type of people we all are, Christmas time we were all very busy and stressed out, BUT everyone kept up with the mail and there was PLENTY. Now take New Years and not much mail.... Hmmm me thinks everyone is recuperating. Not me I'm still in the stressed factor and waiting for January to be over and inventory done. deb :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 15:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:57:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Light box design Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:56:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan3.75644.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Christi, I used to go visit my Mom in Reno we always went gambling. During one of my visits I won $1,000.00. When I returned home I bought a few hundred dollars worth of Fisher flashed and Fisher antique, 25 pounds of solder, a few odds and ends tools, German pliers and a 37" x 53" light table. The light table has 3 switches and one electrical socket. It is made out of oak plywood. The top is 1/2" plate glass and sits in a routered out lip, a piece of white plastic is against the glass to defuse the light. It has 3-48" two light fluorescent bulb units. The bottom is enclosed, the legs are made out of lathed stairway rungs and it has a shelf under the bottom of the table. I paid $375.00 quite a bargain. Had it since 1981. Hope this helps Melissa 8^) -----Original Message----- From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 6:43 AM Subject: Light box design >Message text written by INTERNET:glass@bungi.com >>Questions: > >1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure >the light from below? I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm >cutting. > >2. How many lamps underneath should be used? What size?< > >My dad made me a light table using 3 side-by-side Morton mini >surfaces with a large light box underneath. He used clear Plexiglass >cross braces to support the Morton surfaces. He placed them about >one every 6 inches, and they sit down into the light box so that when >the Morton surfaces are laying atop them, they create a surface area >flush with the wooden frame. Under them is a couple of shop florescent >lamps (regular type). I lined the box with aluminum foil to help reflect= > >the >light up out of the box, but I probably should have just painted it white= >=2E >This setup lets you use both surfaces of the Morton system - the grid >for cutting and the flat surface for glass selection and pattern work. >I actually have my light table in a free-standing box atop some table >legs (purchased from Home Depot), which are atop some wheels. >This way I can wheel the light table out into the middle of the room, >'set' the table by putting its wheels in plastic 'stops' (I don't know = > >their technical name) so that it doesn't roll around. I can now cut very= > >large sheets of glass, walk around the table to cut from any angle, >have customers on one side while I'm on the other, etc. I also marked > > >a ruler on two sides of the box so that I have a handy guide right there.= > > >You can dump the glass shards into the light box as needed, and then >sweep it up with a brush for safe disposal. This sure keeps the floor >area clean! > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 16:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:15:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: no body home???? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 19:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199801040015.TAA29092@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Deb wrote: > it kinda tells us what type of people we all are, >Christmas time we were all very busy and stressed out, BUT everyone kept up >with the mail and there was PLENTY. Now take New Years and not much mail.... >Hmmm me thinks everyone is recuperating. Good point Deb, I was wondering about this myself. Maybe we're mostly Type A personalities that do our best work under pressure. You know the old story, "a busy person gets more things done." Any psychologists in the audience? (s) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 20:44:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lamp question for Howard Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:40:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199801040441.UAA00367@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, will spend some time trying to translate what I do to a keyboard technique....keep the faith! Will get back to you soon..........H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 20:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: light box Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199801040441.UAA00342@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My .02 on a light box. I do mostly lamps, and almost only tiff style ones so multi-colored handmade opals are about all I stock. I have 14 60watt CLEAR bulbs (because I do lamps with the intent to light them when finished with incandescent bulbs, a fluorescent will not render the colors correctly) set up on 3 dimmers. One strip of 6 bulbs in a straight line is also on a dimmer makes no sense to have/build a box bigger that the largest sheet of HAND-MADE glass you intend to view. Mine is about 26"x44" I have the plate glass (top of box) in 3 sections, with a gap between each to help let out the heat. Also I have installed a fan to move the heat from the bulbs. When I build and set up a shade on the box, I use sheets of plate over the existing glass so I can remove them if I need to and get the box back. Set the box high enough to have storage under it, but not so high as to have to stand on a ladder to cut glass. I do my final cutting on a small light table 24x16 with 6 bulbs (clear) with the corners cut out to accept glass chips. NOTE: this is also a box with 3/8" plate glass for a cutting surface....no soft mat for me! IMHO, if you use machine made or cathedral glass, a light table is not a first priority. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 20:45:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass selection Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:37:23 -0800 Message-ID: <199801040441.UAA00361@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne (again)...my glass selection is guided by which lamp I want to make. A dfly is primarily background, so I look for a glass that has a good transition of colors. A wispy type glass for the wings as it will have filigree over it. If I am doing a floral, usually a glass that has a lot of dark and light spots of the same color, so to make the flowers denser on the inside and light on the tips. Sometimes even the same glass with a ripple and some of the same color without a ripple, so to show undersides of flowers or curls of petals (dimension) If I intend to do a grid type lamp, a soft transition or a lessening of density works. That is the darker/denser glass to the top and a fade toward the bottom. A 1,000 or so lamps does give one a bit of an insight as to what to look for when buying sheets of glass. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 20:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lamp Question Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:30:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199801040441.UAA00357@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne..........see other post for answers to your questions. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 21:30:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:29:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Reinforcing Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:31:28 -0600 Message-ID: <199801040535.XAA04758@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, This has worked for me.... I have a swinging door on the basement, so the dog (duchess) can let herself in, but not out. It had a clear piece of glass in it at one time, but was missing when I got the house. I wanted stained glass.... well it is not really practical; but, this is what I did. I puttied a piece of glass in place, set the leaded glass piece in a very small amount of putty (so it wouldn't show) and then sandwiched it tightly with another piece of clear glass, and sealed with putty. This way it cannot rattle. It has worked well, although some may suggest shatterproof glass (it is a door). It is inside, so I don't worry about condensation... Look forward to hearing other replies, advice, experiences.... Dale ---------- > From: Glenna Rand > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Reinforcing > Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 11:06 AM > > Hi everyone, > > Hope you all had a wonderful holiday season. > > I have a question regarding reinforcing. I'm making a square > project with some bevels in it. The final piece will be about 23" x 23" > and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently > used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece > will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass. How should I > reinforce this? I was planning on running some strongline through > the project. What direction do I weave it through the project? > Will this be sufficient reinforcing? I am making this for a friend > and don't want it to fall apart. Also, when mounting it should they > leave some air space? The climate is cold in the winter and I am > not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two > glass pieces. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 22:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:00:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Light box design Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:59:12, -0500 Message-ID: <199801040559.AAA20994@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with the rest of the counter. Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks have already been through. Questions: 1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure the light from below? I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm cutting. 2. How many lamps underneath should be used? What size? If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative. Thanks, Sandy 1. You could simply install a piece of clear 1/4" glass under the Morton cutting surface. This will provide all the support necessary. 2. I suggest you make it easy on yourself and install just two 20 watt soft white florcesents. You can add more later if desired. Most tables are overly bright IMO. If you want to see the true color just hold the glass up to the natural light. Remember: an installed window *sees* all sorts of light as the seasons and days wear on so it is impossible to judge exactly how a color will appear to the viewer. If the Morton surface is ever so slightly raised above the surface of the table it will make moving larger sheets of glass around easier. Unless you are sure of the most comfortable table height for you it might be best to build it on the low end. You can always shim up the legs. If working with a fixed table height and it is to high you can build a booster: a step about one foot deep, 2-4 inches high and as long as the table. Correct table height is necessary if I am to work at it for hours at a time. I have two tables with 28" X 74" X 1/4" tempered glass, sand blasted for opacity on the reverse side lighted by two 40 watt florcesents in each table. One end of tables is not well lighted. Table size is a function of the size glass that happened to be available to me. Previously used four 40 watts but they proved to be to bright. I predict you will love your light table, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 3 22:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:30:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reinforcing Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:28:08, -0500 Message-ID: <199801040628.BAA18644@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna writes: I have a question regarding reinforcing. I'm making a square project with some bevels in it. The final piece will be about 23" x 23" and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass. How should I reinforce this? I was planning on running some strongline through the project. What direction do I weave it through the project? Will this be sufficient reinforcing? I am making this for a friend and don't want it to fall apart. Also, when mounting it should they leave some air space? The climate is cold in the winter and I am not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two glass pieces. Thanks in advance for any help. Glenna Rand This is a foiled window and the strength will pretty much be a function of the solder seams. With a reasonable amount of heart to the seam, say several well spaced with about 1/16" heart, the window should be fairly stiff. Strongline need only be used in a few spaced long runs to provide added stiffness. I don't think direction makes much difference. There is not much point in using it in detailed work. So use it in the stem of a rose and not in the pettles. I think it is important to install the SG piece on the inside right up against the outside protective glass. This will allow the protective glass to keep the SG from slamming into the protective glass when the door slams. With standoff the SG has a chance to move forward when the door slams. I have seen more than a few SG door pieces that are bowed to the outside due to doors slamming shut by wind, accident or malice. Condensation is not usually a problem but the two pieces of glass could be sealed together with silicone if desired. Given a chance I would not seal the window until it proved necessary. Good luck, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 07:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:12:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: "Jackie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass selection Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:16:27 -0600 Message-ID: <199801041516.JAA09323@perham.eot.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Howard Hello my question might seem strange to you. Over the holidays I came up with a very unusual design for dragonfly's using the filagree wings that you have mentioned. I was wondering, is there an easy way or a more correct way of attaching the fillagree wings to the glass without having a complete mess and cracking the glass? And where might a person get the fillagree in different sizes. I think that I will attempt to make my own also. Any tips will be appreciated. Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 10:28:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: tables Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:26:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.32621.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk My main work table is 4ft. by 8ft.,35 and a half inches high. This highth seems to be recommended for ease of cutting and for less stress on the back. I have a shelf underneath for storage which I also use to prop a foot on to relieve tired legs. I have used the same table for 17 years and it seems to work very well for me and for my students. My light table is 3ft. by 5ft. with 1/2 in. plate glass. I have two shop lights underneath. I have left the glass clear because I usually have a pattern laying on the table and I need the stronger light. Wonderful to have you back Howard. Happy New Year to all. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 10:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: bevel overlay Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:53:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan4.185349.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I would appreciate any input on what I am thinking about doing (yes - negative, as well as, positive ). I have a 4 x 6 inch oval bevel with a verse about "friend and father". It also has a sail boat in the background and a lighthouse in the forefront. After trying various glass, colors, bevels surrounding the oval bevel I happen to place the bevel over GNA 4323 (medium blue) and really liked the looks of that. So my questions begin. Is it plausible to cut the glass even with the bevel and foil them together? I then was thinking about the background from that point. Some kind of contrasting color or clear? Bevels? I am not wanting to fit it "into" the window of Dad's study in Florida, but to dangle in front of it ("suncatcher" rather than panel). Would I put the background "flush" with the front or back of the extra width, or try to center it around the bevel. All and everyone's input will be appreciated. Lu Ann (LElsbury@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 11:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:53:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Light box design Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:50:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980104195024.00676638@mail.kwic.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sandy: You are getting lots of advice and it seems to me to depend on how elaborate you want to be. My husband constructed a fairly simple box out of 1 x 6's - the inside dimension is the same as the large Morton cutting surface. This in turn sits on a similar size piece of plate glass, and all this sits on a ledge which leaves the Moron surface flush with the top of the box. Underneath are installed 3 GE Bright Sticks (the cheap way to go). We also installed handles at either end of the box so that it can be moved if necessary. I sit this whole thing on a regular height table, and since I am fairly short this makes the cutting surface a perfect height for me. Quite simple but effective. Hope that this is of some help to you. Happy New Year! Linda. At 08:34 AM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi and Happy New Year, > >We are in the process of designing my stained glass room (we have enough >room in the house to provide two hobbie rooms, one for my husband and >one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large >cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with the >rest of the counter. Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks >have already been through. > >Questions: > >1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure >the light from below? I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm >cutting. > >2. How many lamps underneath should be used? What size? > >If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative. > >Thanks, > >Sandy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 12:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:07:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:06:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.4612.0> References: <<1998Jan4.185349.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Clear hammered makes a beautiful background with blue. Then I would border that (in what ever shape you choose) with the same blue you are putting behind the bevel. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 12:20:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: serv2.fwi.com!cyndee From: Cyndee Christlieb To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980104151612.0068d3d8@mail.fwi.com> References: <<1.5.4.16.19971230182805.1bef8364@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me OFF YOUR EMAIL LISTING, IT IS CLOGGING UP MY EMAIL... THANK YOU!!! At 06:24 PM 12/30/97 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Dale, > Thanks for answering (and thanks to everyone else who did too!!)- > You agreed with Albert about Plaster of Paris, then Albert changed >to not liking Portland Cement..... why don't you like plaster of paris..... >it dries fast, so thought that might help. > What is Whiting..... if I remember right, it is Calcium >Carbonate.... which is ground limestone... (in which case if I sieve it >finely enough maybe I can use the garden stuff)...... is this correct >anyone????? > I still am not sure if the linseed oil sold in little cans for an oil >paint medium, is boiled linseed oil, does anyone know???? I wonder if it >isn't just super refined for fine arts??? > Thanks Albert for warning about cement (portland), I had already >gathered from the archives that this was a big NO NO!!! Thanks again all of >you.... Meg > > >At 10:37 AM 12/30/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Meg- >> I recently decided to work in lead came as well. I tried several >>"recipes" with items I have around the house, and although certain aspects >>of it worked, I was dissatisfied with the final results. I would take >>Albert's advice about no Plaster-of-Paris.... this was MY first mistake! >>What follows is the recipe given to me by a trusted friend, and it was like >>night and day, once I got the mixture right. >> >> >>Cement for Lead Came >> >>In Can #1 combine 2 measures of turpentine with 1 measure of boiled linseed >>oil. >> >>(Here you MUST use (boiled) linseed oil.... unboiled will not set up right, >>I am unsure as to what the boiling point of the oil is, so I don't know if >>you can boil your own... It is available at stores that sell paint, and >>REAL turpentine....not the environmentally friendly substitute Turp-a-tine >>or Turp-ta-tine, which are substantially more expensive anyway.) >> >>In Can #2 combine Whiting and lampblack depending on the size of your >>project.... >> >>(both cans will keep well if covered, so don't worry about having a little >>extra. I have used other colorant mediums.... a liquid stove black worked, >>although I had to add more dry ingredients.... it achieved a grey color >>that was acceptable. I think that acrylic may work.... never tried it, and >>a cement colorant may as well.... I would be careful of grit that may >>scratch the glass.) >> >>Anyway...In Container #3 or a mixing bowl, combine dry ingredients with >>enough wet ingredients to have a frosting like consistency. Then apply to >>panel. If you are going to vary the recipe in anyway.... I would recommend >>trying it on a sample piece with just clear window glass first.... a few >>lead lines will do, it will also help you get the technique of application >>down pat before your larger project. >> >>Remember to save any 'scrubber' whiting that is not clumped.... as it can >>be used in your next batch of cement. >> >>Hope this is helpful, and hope there are other suggestions for you.... I am >>sure that if I have said anything wrong, a correction will be forthcoming >>*wink*. >> >>Dale >> >>---------- >>> From: Richard LaVal >>> To: glass@bungi.com >>> Subject: Gatewayed mail message >>> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 7:44 AM >>> >>> Dear Bungians, >>> I decided to try out a project with lead came... and I can't get >>> commercial putty... cement whatever here. On reading the back archives >>from >>> bungi on the subject, there are recipes which include plaster of paris, >>> calcium carbonate, and boiled linseed oil. I have plaster of paris, and >>I >>> have finely ground limestone (which I am told it is calcium cabonate) for >>my >>> garden, and my mother has linseed oil as a medium for her oil painting >>(not >>> boiled, can I boil it?). Can I use these ingredients? Can I use acrylic >>> paint to darken it? Would the black powder they use to color cement >>work? >>> I assume that it would look nicer dark, rather than to have all that >>white >>> shining up through the glass. >>> Someone told me (I haven't checked it may be an evil rumor) that >>no >>> one who works in came here cements it... that that is only for northern >>> climes... sounds like hogwash to me as I gather that part of the reason >>is >>> for reinforcing... and part for weatherproofing... and it rains and blows >>> here too!! Anyone have any opinions out there??? Thanks Meg >>> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ >>> Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace >>> apdo. 24-5655 >>> Monteverde, Puntarenas >>> COSTA RICA >>> phone 645 5052 >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ >Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace >apdo. 24-5655 >Monteverde, Puntarenas >COSTA RICA >phone 645 5052 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 13:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: just found pictorial how glass is made site Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:27:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.52748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I know this is boring to all you experts. But I thought us novices and silent lurkers might be interested. http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm PS if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site. It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 15:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:11:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: just found pictorial how glass is made site Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:01:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan4.23157.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-04 16:34:22 EST, you write: << http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm PS if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site. It is also a free website >> I'm sure there are others, but this is one site I hadn't found yet - Thanks Shirley!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 15:58:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:56:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: just found pictorial how glass is made site Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:56:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199801042352.PAA06872@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Very interesting site, thx, Shirley, for sharing. I, for one, definately did not find this boring! ---------- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: just found pictorial how glass is made site > Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 1:27 PM > > I know this is boring to all you experts. But I thought us novices and > silent lurkers might be interested. > http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 17:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mosaic glue & bottle cutter questions Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.151350.0> References: <<1998Jan4.52748.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I wanted to make one of those Hurricane lamps where you glue on the glass tiles and then grout. I have never done anything with grout. Here are my questions: 1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you can pick up at Home Depot to use? 2) Glass Crafters has a bottle/Jar cutter on sale in their recent flyer. Has anyone out there used it? If I like the hurricane lamp, it might be fun to make some out of jars. Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 17:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:54:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Pball1951 From: Pball1951 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: kiln controllers Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:50:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan5.15047.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied customers. What brand would you recommend, and why? Thanks in advance, Pat B. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 18:39:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:37:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------299C5D78325F71C903838731" Subject: URL correction wasRe: just found pictorial how glass is made site Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.161753.0> References: <<1998Jan4.52748.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk --------------299C5D78325F71C903838731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm To make it easier - there was an extra '/' in the url instead of a '.', for those of use that are lazy (grin) Shirley Balloch wrote: > I know this is boring to all you experts. But I thought us novices and > silent lurkers might be interested. > http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm > PS if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site. > It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. --------------299C5D78325F71C903838731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
To make it easier - there was an extra '/' in the url instead of a '.', for those of use that are lazy (grin) 
Shirley Balloch wrote:
I know this is boring to all you experts.  But I thought us novices and
silent lurkers might be interested.
http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
PS  if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site.
It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names.
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altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's
most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for
others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
  --------------299C5D78325F71C903838731-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 18:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: no body home???? Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 21:30:13 EST Message-ID: <980104.213804.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199801040015.TAA29092@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Personally, I'm recovering from a cold and preparing for an accelerated algebra course I'm teaching soon. I am also doing my state sales tax. Have to do inventory. Sending out craft fair applications, reworking my exhibit, redrawing some old designs. Waiting for my new scanner to arrive and reading about scanners and Adobe Photoshop. And I even got some good books for Christmas! My husband is busy making a shade for a bankers lamp right now... see, some actual touching of glass going on around here. Have a Happy New Year. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 19:00:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:58:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mosaic glue & bottle cutter questions Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 22:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199801050258.VAA08947@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri wrote: > > I wanted to make one of those Hurricane lamps where you glue on >the glass tiles and then grout. I have never done anything with grout. >Here are my questions: > > 1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you >can pick up at Home > Depot to use? Suzanne answers: I have done it using E-3000 available in a stained glass or hobby store. It worked fine. Sorry, can't answer No. 2. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 4 20:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:47:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: kiln controllers Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:45:04, -0500 Message-ID: <199801050445.XAA08424@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied customers. What brand would you recommend, and why? Thanks in advance, Pat B. I have used the Paragon Digital Temperature Controller (DTC) 600 for hundreds of firings over the past seven years. The DTC 600 has never given me a problem. It is capable of controlling the kiln through six stages to include rate, temperature and hold at each stage. Also has alarm set point and delayed start. Can be set to read in F' or C'. A program of many hours will be repeated to the exact minute. Once I work out a successful program I can have confidence that it will yield the same results in the future. It is a pleasure to load the kiln and come back and find the work accomplished just as planned. My DTC 600 is installed on the kiln. I believe the model that can be readly moved from kiln to kiln has a different model number. Get control & get hot, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 01:29:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:28:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hal-pc.org!kkelly From: "Kathryn C. Kelly" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: URL correction Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 03:27:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.212747.0> References: <<1998Jan4.161753.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Houston Area League of PC Users Precedence: bulk > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address. Any other corrections necessary? Kathryn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 03:10:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:09:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: kiln controllers Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:10:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.111033.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 23:45 04/01/98 -0500, BOB wrote in part: >I have used the Paragon Digital Temperature Controller (DTC) 600 for >hundreds of firings over the past seven years. The DTC 600 has never >given me a problem. Sam agrees with Bob's recommendation as our DTC600 has been in use for about 10 years I think with no problems Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 05:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:42:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: URL correction Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: <199801051344.IAA07939@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In the original msg. after the www there was a / instead of the dot (.) I just changed it to to dot and it worked fine for me. The way it is typed below should work for you. Hope that helps you out. Sheila Ohio ---------- | From: Kathryn C. Kelly | To: glass@bungi.com | Subject: Re: URL correction | Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 4:27 AM | | > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm | | I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address. | Any other corrections necessary? | Kathryn | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 06:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:38:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mosaic glue & bottle cutter questions Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.4376.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jerri: > 1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you can pick up at Home Depot to use? 2) Glass Crafters has a bottle/Jar cutter on sale in their recent= flyer. Has anyone out there used it? If I like the hurricane lamp, it might be fun to make some out of jars. Thanks,Jerri< 1) You can use GE Silicon II sealant, which you can purchase from Home Depot. Look in the tile section. Works well. 2) I saw that ad from Glass Crafters and am sorely tempted to pick up that cutter and try the same thing. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 06:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: kiln controllers Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:40:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801051440.JAA21203@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Pat wrote, > I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied >customers. What brand would you recommend, and why? > Thanks in advance, Can I ask you a few question first? What type of kiln are you using? What are you using the kiln for? What is your budget? And what do you want this contoller to do for you? Once I know the answes I can give you many alternatives. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 07:31:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:30:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: URL correction Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:11:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan4.23110.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just went there and found it to be operational, although they are still working on it. (using Explorer 3.2) Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn C. Kelly [SMTP:kkelly@hal-pc.org] Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:28 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: URL correction > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address. Any other corrections necessary? 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"" &```` M``# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$`````````'@`]``$````%````4D4Z /( `````#``TT_3<``.AR ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 07:42:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:12 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There are now almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. During the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and will be on-line searchable. If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to get them up for you. I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna, and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/ Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years. Happy new year to all! Dave Rand -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 07:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:52:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Tour of English Stained Glass ... reduced! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:59:13 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: $3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need to come up with only $3,480.) Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass: An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church." Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United States. Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ... and a member of The Art Workers Guild. Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained Glass." Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at Ely Cathedral. Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William Morris. and Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and the work of the Pre-Raphaelites. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/ and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you won't want to miss. Albert Lewis ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 08:04:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:04:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: URL correction Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:04:40 -0800 Message-ID: <199801051600.IAA02760@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I also got a Not Found msg with the original address. I tried the home address; www.ironandglass.com and went right to it. Do try that. ---------- > From: Kathryn C. Kelly > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: URL correction > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:27 AM > > > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm > > I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address. > Any other corrections necessary? > Kathryn > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 08:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:58:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Looking for Design of Indian Chief Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 11:04:20 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan5.19420.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Happy New Years Everyone, Does anyone know a source of a design for an Indian Chief? I know that = Carolyn Kyle has a couple of designs (Forever Proud, ? Warrior, etc.) = but I was looking for something a little different than those. It doesn= 't necessarily have to be a chief, but that would be preferred. I am looking for a stained glass design, not just a picture. I have = never designed anything for glass yet, and since I'm so pressed for time = on this project, this wouldn't be the best time for me to try to learn. = (It's a birthday present for my grandfather.) If you know of any patter= n books that feature these types of designs, please let me know. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 10:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:57:10 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass > List. Congratulations and thanks are in order, Dave, to you and your wife. It's heart-warming to hear a husband describe his wife as "wonderful," particularly in these times, when all too often we see people split up because they thought it'd all be easy. Marriage is difficult but worth the candle. Congratulations on the list and on your relationship. May it long endure. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 11:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:05:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: kiln controllers Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:47:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980105124722.007ab3a0@mail.tznet.com> References: <<1998Jan5.15047.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI! I have a Bentrup a German computer. I know many who have a ramp master, but I was just starting out in fusing when I purchased it, and thought it sounded confusing. I have never used firing cones, as I previously was an enamelist and had a set point controller on my kiln, as I needed to hold kiln at 1450 degrees for the whole time I was working. Mostly worked by instinct after doing over 2000 cloisonne' pieces. I like the Bentrup and it holds 9 programs and is quite easy to set up. However, the first half of instruction book is in technical German but the 2nd half of book is in bad English. Also, I was computer illerate at the time. At 08:50 PM 1/4/98 EST, you wrote: > I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied >customers. What brand would you recommend, and why? > Thanks in advance, >Pat B. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 11:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Dedication Ceremony Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 13:40:28 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan5.214028.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Best Bib and Tucker folks; the heathen Elisabeth is going to >Church!!! (Watch out for the Viking horns...) Okay Elisabeth, where are you? We're all waiting to hear how the dedicat= ion ceremony went..... Any flashes of lightning, earth shaking, etc? Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 11:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:47:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.74729.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna and Dave, Thanks to you both for keeping the list going. I've learned a lot and have gotten so much out of this group. Glenna, I got a chance to look at your page and really enjoyed it. Nice work! I also like the way you used the glass for the backgrounds in the ship pictures. I was just wondering if you do your best glass work when you're "provoked"? ;) Jerri On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:12 PST dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) writes: >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass >List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There >are now >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. >During >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, >and >will be on-line searchable. > >If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the >web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to >get them up for you. I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna, >and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/ > >Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank >you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years. >Happy new year to all! > >Dave Rand > >-- >Dave Rand >dlr@bungi.com >http://www.bungi.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 12:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:44:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike and Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Grid for grinder Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:42:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980105124207.006acce0@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have owned a Glastar grinder model G4 for almost forever. It works great for me. Several years ago I purchased a new grid for the top. Somehow I have almost worn thru the grid top and since my grinder is a dinosauer I cannot get a replacement top. Does anyone out there have a G-4 mdoel that has died and doesn't need the top anymore or does anyone have any ideas what I could use for the top? Since this baby is so old, I hate to spend tooooooo much on it but I also don't want to purchase another grinder when this one is still running great!! Thanks!! Amy the Glass Goddess Mike and Amy --- A Subscriber at Techline ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 13:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:42:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.114122.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dave- You're the one that deserves the pat on the back and thank you! We wouldn't be having all this = fun if it weren't for your generosity in providing the site! Happy = New Year to you and Glenna. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 13:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:43:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Grid for grinder Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.53749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk my Glastar is one step older than yours, a G3 dinosaur, that is still serving me well, but I did replace the aluminum deck with a Plexiglas one that I made myself. I just used the original deck as a template for shape and screw down locations for the Plexiglas and then drilled a grid of holes over the entire surface, works just fine. Hope this helps. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Mike and Amy Murphy [SMTP:mamurphy@techline.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 12:42 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Grid for grinder I have owned a Glastar grinder model G4 for almost forever. It works great for me. Several years ago I purchased a new grid for the top. Somehow I have almost worn thru the grid top and since my grinder is a dinosauer I cannot get a replacement top. Does anyone out there have a G-4 mdoel that has died and doesn't need the top anymore or does anyone have any ideas what I could use for the top? Since this baby is so old, I hate to spend tooooooo much on it but I also don't want to purchase another grinder when this one is still running great!! Thanks!! 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Glenna and Dave Thanks very much for all of your efforts towards keeping this list going. I'm sure all of us, whether seasoned vets or newbies have learned a lot from the postings. We appreciate your work. Sincerely, Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 14:42:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:05:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan5.22516.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Shirley - Thanks for the hammered glass suggestion. I think at this point it's exactly what I'm going to use. The only other possibility was GNA clear, but I like the idea and mental image of soft hammered with the same blue outside of that. Thanks again!!!!!!! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 15:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: URL correction Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:19:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199801052319.PAA18172@ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn....I see you are from B.C. Where abouts are you 'situated'? ......Wayne >Just went there and found it to be operational, although they are still working on it. (using Explorer 3.2) > >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 15:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:20:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: kiln controllers (question on delayed start) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:16:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.231624.0> References: <<199801050445.XAA08424@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bob (and others) I have been runing my DTC600 for a couple of years, but have never learned how to operate the delayed start. Neither the instructions nor the supplier (UK) was of any help. Correspondence with the manufacturer has been one way. Can anyone instruct me on how to activate the delayed start? steve In message <199801050445.XAA08424@mime4.prodigy.com>, BOB DUCHESNEAU writes >I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied >customers. What brand would you recommend, and why? > Thanks in advance, >Pat B. > >and delayed start. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 15:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:23:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Taurus II- 2, Need some help Please Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.2311.0> References: <<1998Jan2.17437.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here goes! 1st - I don't own one of these machines. BUT Ive seen a lot of advice from both users and manufacturer that *ice cubes* should be used to cool the blade! Why don't the manufacturers design a machine with adequate cooling properties? It costs enough! Maybe I just want the machine to work without needing to have a freezwer in my studio. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 16:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:02:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus II- 2, Need some help Please Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.135738.0> References: <<1998Jan5.2311.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > > Here goes! > 1st - I don't own one of these machines. > BUT Ive seen a lot of advice from both users and manufacturer that *ice > cubes* should be used to cool the blade! > Why don't the manufacturers design a machine with adequate cooling > properties? It costs enough! > Maybe I just want the machine to work without needing to have a freezwer > in my studio. > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it really does'nt need it. it cut's fine with out them. i think the cubes chill the blade and make it contract. i guess it works better that way... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 16:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:19:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:15:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199801060015.TAA18242@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk steve writes: I have been runing my DTC600 for a couple of years, but have never learned how to operate the delayed start. Neither the instructions nor the supplier (UK) was of any help. Correspondence with the manufacturer has been one way. Can anyone instruct me on how to activate the delayed start? To set Delay Fire, touch ENTER (*) then 3. dELA will appear. Enter delay time in hours and minutes (e.g. 12 hours and 30 minutes = 12. 30). Then touch ENTER (*). (Delay zeros out after each firing.) The above paragraph is quoted from Paragon DTC600C & DTC600 Instructions (M-126/10-93) Don't delay, get hot, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 18:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:35:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CColdfeet From: C Coldfeet To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: (Re) list Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:32:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan6.23229.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Since before Chirstmas I have not received any mail from you. Please add me to the list again. Thank you C Coldfeet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 19:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:00:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass selection Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:11:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199801060300.TAA15860@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jackie....a couple of ways to do filigree. Do the whole project and then solder the filigree over the wings. Foil the filigree on to the wings before you solder them in. Tiffany ALWAYS put the filigree the glass on the outside of the wings. Poppies leaf filigree either inside or outside... .flowers only out side filigrees. I use a wispy glass for the wings so the light accents the filigree. I only use the "tiff" odyssey sized wings.....could probably use a perforated type brass screen and cut out irregular holes in it. I have yet to have a wing crack while soldering, but I have only done about 40 d/fly shades. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 19:28:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand), Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:28:09 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Loved seeing a picture of what another Bungian looks like. Loved Glenna "provoked" also. Especially her work. Makes me want to keep on trucking On 5 Jan 98, Dave Rand wrote: > Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass > List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There are now > almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. During the > coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and will be > on-line searchable. > > If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the > web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to > get them up for you. I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna, > and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/ > > Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank > you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years. > Happy new year to all! > > Dave Rand > > -- > Dave Rand > dlr@bungi.com > http://www.bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Myrddn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 20:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:52:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "Lydia" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: URL correction Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan5.183342.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just went there and it was up, maybe when you tried it was down? I use Explorer 4.0 browser and also Netscape 4.0, sometimes I get an address not found message and 2 seconds later the same browser and connection finds the address .. go figure.. Love light and laughter, Lydia -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn C. Kelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 4:43 AM Subject: Re: URL correction >> http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm > >I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address. >Any other corrections necessary? >Kathryn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 5 21:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:00:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:52:15 Message-ID: <1998Jan6.75215.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk Add me back to the list please? * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 10:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:34:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: tables Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980106133343.006b142c@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1998Jan4.32621.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:26 AM 1/4/98 -0800, you wrote: >My main work table is 4ft. by 8ft.,35 and a half inches high. This >highth seems to be recommended for ease of cutting and for less stress >on the back. Height depends on the height of the artist. At 5'9", I find that 39-41 inches is perfect height for my glass work top and, incidentally, for my kitchen counters. I believe I read in a book on home ergonomics that 3 inches below the elbow is the ideal height for work counters, and that has proven to be true for me. I find it back breaking to work at a lower counter. Happy New Year to All! M.-J. ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 14:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:46:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MJC1130 From: MJC1130 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: remove me from mailing list Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:41:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan6.224150.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk please delete my name from your mailing list. do not send me any more e-mail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 15:29:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:28:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1AD1.28308F40" Subject: RE: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:00:17 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan6.16017.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AD1.28308F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree.. I just started to read the archives also.. I have been on = this news group for about 1 year.. Have read many messages from the = members, but it is very exciting to read what happened 3 years ago.. If = I wore a hat, I would take it off as a act of respect to people like = Glenna and Dave, and the first members, especially Howard.. His = helpfulness on lamp making is remarkable.. So, thank you. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Doug Scale [SMTP:proffire@ebtech.net] Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 8:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List ---------- > From: Dave Rand > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 10:42 AM >=20 > Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass > List.=20 Glenna and Dave Thanks very much for all of your efforts towards keeping this list going. I'm sure all of us, whether seasoned vets or newbies have learned a lot from the postings. We appreciate your work. 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I have noticed some are nice photos of their work and an e mail = address is attached.. Another version is photos with prices and a = shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering advertising but = would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not = fill the orders. Thanks for the info. Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 16:33:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:32:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Web sites Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:31:33 -0800 Message-ID: <199801070031.QAA03172@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have been wondering if anyone is bringing in an income from their Web = >sites.. I have noticed some are nice photos of their work and an e mail = >address is attached.. Another version is photos with prices and a = >shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering advertising but = >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not = >fill the orders. Hey Gloria, I mainly use my web page (graciously provided by Albert and igga) as a marketing tool...a place to refer prospective clients to look at examples of my work. Essentially it takes the place of an artist's portfolio. I have only done one piece directly through someone looking at my site and ordering. I also have a friend who runs a virtual gallery, and most of the artists on her site find sales similarly slow. IMHO the internet may may one of a set of marketing strategies to bring in the work :-) Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.bungi.com/glass/igga/synergy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 16:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:43:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Web sites Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:44:33 -0800 Message-ID: <199801070042.QAA18643@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Without divulging any sensitive information (Macy's does not tell Gimbles everything)...I can lend a bit of insight. My site gets many (relative term) hits a month. Most, to all "lamp kickers" (as opposed to tire kickers), have NO idea of cost of my work. I respond in a sensitive and encouraging manor without demeaning their lack of knowledge. (not usually like me, however) I have sold a few MAJOR pieces over the net. What price range and what do have to sell, and why would someone buy from you without touching the item. In most cases the "educated" buyers are willing to compare the s@#% from the orient and 3rd and 4th world countries to what you are trying to sell. WHAT...you want more than $.02 per hour, what gall! IMHO, selling art (craft) over the net AIN'T easy....do not worry about more than you can handle, worry about anyone willing to give you a chance. more later should the responses dictate............enjoy H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 16:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!clipper1 From: clipper1@erols.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:51:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980106204631.2f474830@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, I went ahead and sent a picture in, and have to say that Dave sized it and got the colors and contrast to turn out much better than they looked just from my playing around with what the camera gave me. It's on http://www.bungi.com/glass/members Thanks again Dave! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 6 17:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:51:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1AE4.EFBC4280" Subject: RE: Web sites Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:45:03 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan6.18453.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AE4.EFBC4280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howard, Thank you.. Yes, you are right, I was afraid of the competing factor and = honest answers to my question about Web sites.. Yes. also I can see = your New Jersey origin in the reply you made to me, about Gimbel's which = had to close about 10 years ago and Macy's which is the parent company = to Kaufmann's in Pittsburgh..=20 I am thinking about it but I agree with you about the originality of = the pieces.. I do not do Odysey style lamps but panels (lamps and flat = panels) and I know that I have to be more original.. So thank you again. gloria -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:45 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web sites Without divulging any sensitive information (Macy's does not tell = Gimbles everything)...I can lend a bit of insight. My site gets many (relative term) hits a month. Most, to all "lamp = kickers" (as opposed to tire kickers), have NO idea of cost of my work. I respond = in a sensitive and encouraging manor without demeaning their lack of knowledge. (not usually like me, however) I have sold a few MAJOR pieces over the net. What price range and what do have to sell, and why would someone buy = from you without touching the item. In most cases the "educated" buyers are willing to compare the s@#% from the orient and 3rd and 4th world = countries to what you are trying to sell. WHAT...you want more than $.02 per hour, what gall! IMHO, selling art (craft) over the net AIN'T easy....do not worry about more than you can handle, worry about anyone willing to give you a = chance. more later should the responses dictate............enjoy H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1AE4.EFBC4280 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgEWAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAgAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNv bQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAEAAA AGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAASAAAAJ2dsYXNzQGJ1bmdp 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daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:39:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Looking for Design of Indian Chief Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:03:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan6.11316.0> References: <<1998Jan5.19420.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II book? She has four Indian patterns on pages 24, 25 and 26. They are titled Forever Proud, Plains Warrior, Cheyenne Winter, and Navajo Brave. All but the Navajo are on horses. There is also Shoshoni Encampment, a picture of two teepees with an Indian woman sitting outside of one. I was surprized how few I found in my Southwest books. Desert Skies by Joyce Hurley; Images of Joy Publications has Antelope/Deer Kachina, Morning Singer Kachina, Eagle Dancer in her Monument Valley Series. They are on pages 7-8-9. She has Wind Song (maiden, a long haired woman sqatting with robe and hair encompassing a navajo jug), Long Haired Kachina and Evening Star (woman) on pages 18-19. Both are for side panels. And on page 41 she has a Kokopelli. And if you really want to go far afield. Donna Schulze has the most beautiful Indian Angel on the cover of her Angels II book,a Papillon Publications,Inc. Sorry, I know I have the dying warrior on his horse slumped over with lance in his back, but I can't find it. I vote for the Angels if you are taking votes. Good Luck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 05:05:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:04:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web sites Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:12:24 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not = > >fill the orders. Gloria, Carol's quite right when she points out that a web site is just one arrow in the artist/craftsperson's self-promotional quiver ... don't worry about getting millions of orders; it's a trickle, more like. But as Carol also points out, it's a good way to make your work accessible to the entire world ... well, the percentage that has access to the web, anyway, and that's growing steadily. So consider doing it for those reasons. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 07:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:08:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:10:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.51044.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My local glass supplier has some discontinued glass on sale. She says = it's Merry-go-round. I haven't seen it yet. I'll likely go see her this = afternoon. She says it's prettier than a Spectrum Whispy and more = colorful.=20 If I fall in love with this glass, are their any pitfalls working with = this glass and a relative novice? Let you know what I buy with that gift certificate my DH gave me for = Christmas. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 08:11:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:11:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199801071611.IAA25901@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To the best of my knowledge MGR is LONG out of business! A pitfall is, you CANNOT get anymore of it to replace or match a project. Cuts no worse than any other machine glass. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 08:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:25:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.62812.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard,=20 Please clarify what machine glass is. Isn't that mostly what people use or should I say "have a choice of from = their local dealers". The only non-machine glass that I know I have, I = got from Blenko, blown bottles cut and unrolled into sheets. Would = Spectrum and Bullseye be machine glass? Linda Campbell Howard said: To the best of my knowledge MGR is LONG out of business! A pitfall is, you CANNOT get anymore of it to replace or match a = project. Cuts no worse than any other machine glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 09:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199801071713.JAA18275@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........ Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples. Spectrum is machine made and automated. Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that is cut to length and crated ....hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by hand (swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by hand) other cases the roller is power operated. MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and like spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. Nothing wrong with using it,,,,I would not do lamps in it, but if you can get REAL cheap do it! later, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 10:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hey Howard Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:33:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.23352.0> References: <<199801071713.JAA18275@smtp3.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I hope that didn't sound rude. I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light. I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if it is meant to go outside. So my question is: Is this a good idea? Or is their some reason not to make stained glass porch lights? Thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 10:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199801071837.NAA16042@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There must be many different interpretations, because under the machine rolled glass intereprestation of Howard & Elaine, Wissmach would not be machined rolled, which it is (IMO). I have always understood machined rolled glass to be sheet no. 1 that day looks like sheet no. 500 (or whatever amount they roll). There is no artistic "instrusion" into the final product. Hand rolled glass is made a single sheet at a time. The only machine rolled glass I have seen that even comes close to being as nice as Bullseye, Uroboros and Yough (stipple and high strike) is some of Kokomo's line, and they are machine rolled (IMO). Specturm, Armstrong and Wissmach (while a pleasure to cut) are pure background glass. I honestly don't recall any colored glass they made that is so striking that I would put it in the forefront. This is because their stock is two color mixes. Spectrum does have a few mixes (the amber/red mix) that are quite nice, and some interesting patterns (the chord), but I still can't recommend it as a forefront glass. This, of course, does not apply to any of their architectural glass or the baroque line. Again, the above is my opinion and apparently my interpretation. ---------- > From: Howard and Elaine Rubin > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass > Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:15 PM > > Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........ > Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples. > > Spectrum is machine made and automated. > > > Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that > is cut to length and crated > ....hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch > glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by hand > (swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before > it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by > hand) > other cases the roller is power operated. > > MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and like > spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. > Nothing wrong with using it,,,,I would not do lamps in it, but if you can > get REAL cheap do it! > later, H > > > > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 11:55:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: just found pictorial how glass is made site Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.91937.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Interesting site and sight; Please be aware of the error in the URL; It should be: http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm Note the dot after www instead of the slash -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 4:37 PM Subject: just found pictorial how glass is made site >I know this is boring to all you experts. But I thought us novices and >silent lurkers might be interested. >http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm >PS if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site. >It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 14:16:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Web sites Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.121434.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria- I agree with everything Carol and Albert have said about a web site - it's not likely that it will bring you so much business overnight you'll be forced to hire help. But, it is undoubtedly an excellent marketing tool and sometimes in surprising ways! I have gotten only a handful = of "long-distance" jobs via our site, but I am convinced that about 1 out of every 4 shoppers (local) who visit us refer to our site after our consultation and often that visual reminder gives us the edge over the competition even when our prices are higher. I also do direct-mail marketing using color postcards - about six months after folks buy a new home (over $250,000) they get a postcard from us which also lists our URL. We just installed another job several weeks ago that originated with the postcard and a web visit so I know this approach works. (Write to me direct for more info on the postcards.) Lastly, you can win prizes for = having a web site! I just won :-) Peachtree Complete Accounting Plus from Peak Computing = Magazine for a contest they had on marketing your web site. And we get a nice little article in the magazine in a few weeks. (Two years ago, we were featured in a newspaper article as the first private art gallery in the area with a web site.) Who am I to say No to a little free publicity! And, of course, the most compelling reason for getting a web site - it's so much cheaper than most other = advertising! How can you go wrong? Then use that URL on everything, cards, letterhead, ads, birth certificates, everything! You'll be viewed as a real pacesetter - on the cutting edge of your business! (I'm one to talk - I forgot to add mine to our Yellow Pages ad - oops!) Back to workbench... still on deadline! And, Carol, I haven't forgotten you and will = write next week! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = P.S. And, yes, we are finally in = the process of updating the site! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 14:29:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:29:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.122749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And then, of course, there are glasses like the Glashutte = Lamberts that we're working with right now that make you think you've died and gone to glass heaven! West German. Mouthblown. Expensive. Yum. Sure wish all our customers would spring for this stuff! (I guess at = $120/sheet wholesale I should say "stuph"!) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 14:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hey Howard Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > So my question is: Is this a good idea? Or is their some reason not > to make stained glass porch lights? Not at all. They've been being made for quite a while ... at least a hundred years. The Arts&Crafts movement was pretty big on stained glass and sidelights were definitely part of their repertoire. Go ahead; you'll enjoy them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 15:33:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:33:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.103148.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions please Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 15:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:43:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: porch lights Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:45:47 -0800 Message-ID: <199801072343.PAA21412@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is a market for most everything. Try a few, keep records of ALL costs and time so as to be able to price it. Keep records and patterns so you can duplicate what you have done. Make styles that use glass effectively. A for instance is if you have 24" x24" spectrum half sheets, set sizes to cut even into 24". No reason to make the height 8.5" if 8' will do. You do not know what will sell 'til you try to sell it. But, can you make money at it is a whole 'nuther story. Another beware is using outdoor approved electrical components and who will do the wiring. In this law suit happy society (we did it to ourselves) any excuse is good enough. I do not wire or adapt or fix or restore any bases (antique or not) for the public. I have a licensed electrican who I refer to for doing that. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 15:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:46:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:46:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801072346.SAA12340@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk dani wrote, , >And then, of course, there are >glasses like the Glashutte = > >Lamberts that we're working >with right now that make you >think you've died and gone >to glass heaven! West German. >Mouthblown. Expensive. Yum. > >Sure wish all our customers would >spring for this stuff! (I guess at = > >$120/sheet wholesale I should say >"stuph"!) > UhOh ...they have been bitten by the Lambert bug...and will never be the same. You will never be able to sell a commission again without trying to steer those clients to the Lambert. I would say that all the commissions we are scheduled for so far this year have some Lambert and two are all Lambert. I happen to be just nuts about their new colors....and have even taken to making vases for clients out of the stuff. To match the glass in their commission. Just something we like to do for those people willing to spend the extra money on that specialty glass. my best, pj (who thinks that there needs to be extra hours in the day for email) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 15:48:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:48:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1B9D.151735E0" Subject: RE: Web sites Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:36:32 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.163632.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1B9D.151735E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert, Thank you.. The Web is one of my plans for 1998..=20 Other are tax exemption number, business name, and my membership to the = Glass Guild.. Would you please tell me the how to the membership and the = fee.. If you want to do it privately, please e mail me directly. thank you Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@vgernet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:12 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web sites > >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not = =3D > >fill the orders. Gloria, Carol's quite right when she points out that a web site is=20 just one arrow in the artist/craftsperson's self-promotional quiver=20 .. don't worry about getting millions of orders; it's a trickle,=20 more like. But as Carol also points out, it's a good way to make your=20 work accessible to the entire world ... well, the percentage that has=20 access to the web, anyway, and that's growing steadily. So consider=20 doing it for those reasons. 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I live near Yough and had the opportunity to see them make their glass.. They are very nice people also.. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 3:16 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........ Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples. Spectrum is machine made and automated. Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that is cut to length and crated ...hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by hand (swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by hand) other cases the roller is power operated. MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and like spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. 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Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:48:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1B9D.22BEFFC0" Subject: RE: Hey Howard Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:46:01 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.16461.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1B9D.22BEFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shirley, I saw their ad there.. Was thinking of the shade (? , really mean = lighting fixtures) for some indoor lights.. If you receive the info = could you please forward..=20 Thanks Gloria=20 -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch [SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:34 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Hey Howard I hope that didn't sound rude. I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light. I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if it is meant to go outside. So my question is: Is this a good idea? Or is their some reason not to make stained glass porch lights? 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During that time there have been a number of changes. There are now >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. During >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and >will be on-line searchable. > Happy New Year and many thanks for the wonderful job the both of you do with the list. My time flies when your having fun. We all know that it takes to both of you to make this list work. Our thanks to you for having the insight to make it work. Wishes for the best to you and your family in the new year. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 16:02:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:01:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.135642.0> References: <<1998Jan7.103148.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wallace, Paul wrote: > > I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were > remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the > building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the > unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very > thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black > opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick > them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a > freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions > please > > Paul > Bumblebee Stained Glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can remove the mastic with masic remover, or a sharp razor if it's hard and crunchy. if you sandblast, you could carve out some cool designs, they should show up quite well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 16:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199801080006.QAA25085@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RECYCLE them!!!!! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 16:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!live4games From: "MiChea`l McClendon" To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:12:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.8123.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD1B86.FFEF91A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1B86.FFA34660" ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1B86.FFA34660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Fellow artisans; I am IN SEARCH of Crystals (not resin), of Swarosky types; in = Brilliant and ANY shape(s) and shades. for Inlay of Stained glass windows/panels. Warmest Regards & Thanks in Advance. live4games@worldnet.att.net=20 PS: Looking for "Bulk" sales. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1B86.FFA34660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Fellow = artisans;
    I am = IN SEARCH of=20 Crystals (not resin), of Swarosky types; in Brilliant and ANY shape(s) = and=20 shades.
for Inlay of Stained = glass=20 windows/panels.
Warmest Regards & = Thanks in=20 Advance.
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I am new to this list and, as a matter of fact, new to computers and the Internet in general, so please bear with me if I make mistakes. I learned to do stained glass pieces 17 years ago from a night school class. I proceeded to teach my husband how to do stained glass, and he really got into it. I have three sons, all of whom have learned how to do stained glass as well. My husband and I have done about five large pieces over the years as well as many smaller ones. Currently we are working on our largest project yet, a two-panel waterfall/nature scene roughly 24' x 48' total. While I have never done this myself, a currently popular use of stained glass are mosaic panels and garden bricks for pathways. Your glass sounds thick enough to be used for this kind of project depending on the weather conditions in your area., expecially the pathway bricks. These are pieces of cut, colored glass set into concrete forms in patterns and designs to brighten the garden. You might consider looking into this type of usage. Hope this helps. Merry Wallace, Paul wrote: > I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were > remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the > building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the > unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very > thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black > opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick > them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a > freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions > please > > Paul > Bumblebee Stained Glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 16:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 7 Jan 98 17:16:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jan7.103148.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were > remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the > building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the > unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very > thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black > opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick > them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a > freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions > please part of a floor grease splash guard behind a stove or kitchen sink dining table top cut in 4" strips and used as a baseboard at the floor/wall joint cut in 4" squares, bevel edges slightly, use as coasters cut in 8" squares, use as trivets (heat resistant?) tiling under/behind a wood stove/heater fireplace hearth/mantle tiling (outside the firebox) --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 17:17:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199801080115.BAA13552@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dawn, Good Heavens!! What a memory!! I thought everyone had long since forgotten..... I have been "lurking" in my own quiet little corner for a while, trying to catch up on domestic chores (still have ironing to do from last April!!), house maintenance, income tax returns (has to arrive at the Tax Office before 31 January, or an automatic fine , etc...); preparing new courses for February; my mother-in-law has been poorly over Christmas, so I spent some time with her doing her Christmas cooking; my sister-in-law has inherited my old 286 computer (the one rescued from a dumpster) and I have been trying to find a printer for her. And so on, and so on. I STILL haven't sent out all my Christmas cards/letters :-< Yes, I turned up in my "best bib 'n tucker" last Sunday; the little widow of the deceased Minister having phoned me at least 3 times to ask/remind me to be there. She suffered 2 heart attacks during Autumn, so people were getting worried (She is 87, bless her, and called Enid). The idea of doing the casing in wrought iron, was finally abandoned, because the blacksmith I employed, took off up North (of UK) to show his shire horses and didn't keep the dead-lines he promised (even more urgently required after the old girl's SECOND heart attack!!) Back to wood. An old retired carpenter from the Congregation was finally wheeled out and press-ganged by the Church Elders to construct wall-mounted oak cabinets to house the stained glass. A lighting engineer was also wormed out from the Congregation and equally press-ganged into creating the necessary hardware arrangements for back-lighting the panels according to my guide lines. I must say, both men did a fabulous job. The large wooden oak Cross already mounted on the wall at the Altar, is a simple cross, but excellently crafted. The Minister whom my glass was to commemorate, had himself actually made this Cross some 40 years ago when he first took over the Ministry of this particular Church. Carpentry and wood-working was his life-long hobby (He was called Ernest, by the way. So picture it: these two dears, Ernest and Enid.... ;-) ) So the carpenter made these oak cabinets to match the Cross. and did it exceedingly well. However, he also managed to crack the glass twice!! Repair or replace??? Replace would take longer and little Enid might get another heart attack if she knew about it. So "repair" was decided. Under cover of darkness, I loaded my car with repair kits and drove off to his cold wood-working shed about 15 miles away - TWICE! One of the repairs is not too bad, but the second one - although necessary, breaks the aesthetic line to me just that bit too much. Nobody has noticed the illogical lead-line. But I have and I have even had night-mare dreams about it. One day I will have to pull in the panel to my workshop and replace the whole piece of offending glass. But I dare not do it quite yet..... Last Sunday was the first time I myself saw both panels mounted on the wall in the Church with the Cross in the middle and the back-lighting in full flow. The impact totally threw me. I arrived to the Church on time (pouring down with rain and the roads were flooded) and met up with little pint-sized Enid and her sons, daughters and myriads of grand-children, having travelled from all corners of UK for the occasion. There were cameras flashing everywhere. Seats had been specially reserved for The Family and (to my surprise) for me, right up at the front of the Church. Little Enid tucked her arm under mine and so I escorted this little person to her seat. The Chruch was absolutely packed full. I thought this was going to be an ordinary Sunday Service with perhaps a little mention/ a little blessing or such similar of the panels. Not so. The entire Service was dedicated to the idea of the Man (i.e. Ernest - the deceased Minister) and my stained glass and my interpretation of the commission they had given me. At the request earlier on last autumn of the Church Elders, I had put down in writing my own impressions of Ernest post-humously and how my interpretations were translated into stained glass. I gave them about 3 type-written pages from which I thought they might select the odd thing or two. They didn't . David, his oldest son and a professor at Cambridge University, read the Dedication and read out my entire notes. It was almost embarrassing. Nevertheless, it was also very moving. During last prayers, the (new) Minister made a point of telling the Congration that THIS time, not to shut their eyes, but to look at the panels and meditate on them. I had not myself been quite been prepared for the impact, and never mind the impact my glass had on this community. After the Service, there was a reception during which I had to shake a few hundred hands. Little Enid didn't let me out of her eye-sight... But what came across again and again from the Congregation was interesting. Stained glass or some other form of commemoration had actually been put to the vote amongst the entire congregation. Many of them had voted against; stained glass was not "Their Sort of Thing", it didn't quite "sit" right with a United Reform Church; it was too architectural, too much tied up with the building itself, too much of "saints, cherubs and angels" for their particular philosophy. Enid alone forced through the decision, because her dear beloved Ernest had expressed such deep admiration for the craftmanship required for stained glass (he was amateur accomplished carpenter - remember!). I only found out that little nugget out last Sunday... So I also had to shake the hands of those that had initially voted against, who now told me I had got it "just right". Job Satisfaction!!?? Wow!!!! Cameras flashed, local press was there, ecclesiastical press was there and so on. I had left my own camera gear at home and still have to go back and take my own photographs.... An enormous bunch of flowers is now dominating my sitting-room, so large I could hardly get it into my car (or out of it). Oh yes, the Heathen Elisabeth took Holy Communion for the first time in 25 years. It just somehow felt right at the time. I STILL don't like what happens in the World under the guise of Christianity or Religion, and I STILL don't want any part of it..... But I am so glad I managed to bring glass, colour and light into yet another little corner of the Globe...... Back to ironing.....(sigh) Happy New Year to ALL of you.!! (separate replies are still brewing.... patience..??) (UK Bunginians: 95 per cent of photocopying completed, a few more pages and then send-off) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dawn wrote (and quoted): >Best Bib and Tucker folks; the heathen Elisabeth is going to >Church!!! (Watch out for the Viking horns...) Okay Elisabeth, where are you? We're all waiting to hear how the dedicat= ion ceremony went..... Any flashes of lightning, earth shaking, etc? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 17:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:16:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web sites Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199801080115.BAA13536@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria, I use my web-site as a marketing tool (so far). It has been up and running now since early 1996, but although I have had enquiries, I have not yet "sold" through the Net. I think it was Carol who said that she used it as an "extended portfolio". That is how I look at it myself. Although the Internet here in UK is only just NOW beginning to get a grip and starting a real growth, it's an easy, quick and convenient way for any customer, an architect , say, to get a quick look at your style at any time of day and night to decide whether s/he likes your particular way of doing things. Don't expect a FLOOD of orders, just because you have a WEB-site. my 2 cents worth Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >I have been wondering if anyone is bringing in an income from their Web = >sites.. I have noticed some are nice photos of their work and an e mail = >address is attached.. Another version is photos with prices and a = >shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering advertising but = >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not = >fill the orders. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 17:28:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:27:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks for your table suggestions. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.152127.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980106133343.006b142c@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone and Happy New Year, Got a lot of good suggestions for the light table - I'll investigate the quarter inch plate glass. I like the suggestions of keeping the light a little muted so we'll play with that as well. Took a class in ergonomics as part of my master's and my project was to design my stained glass room. I agree that just below elbow height should work best (at least that's what all the studies say). Looking forward to having a nice studio that can handle a variety of tasks. Thanks everyone for their suggestions. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 18:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:39:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:38:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.163845.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Paul- How about using the glass tiles for a bathroom floor? Or lining the bottom of a pond in a water garden. Or set them in a table top. Or use as a wide border in a glass mosaic. Or, or.... ? ;-) Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 18:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:39:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.163837.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj- Nice idea with the vases! It's just that kind of thing that makes for repeat business, and it's sure a lot nicer (and more appropriate) than a fruit basket! And, yes, I think we have been bitten by the Lambert's bug - we'll see how it goes after we start building tonight! Some of the glass is kind of thick, especially since we're using tons of flash. = Cheers! Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 19:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: studio thesis Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:33:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.113332.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Willis [SMTP:arthurs.and.willis@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 5:21 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks for your table suggestions. Hi Everyone and Happy New Year, Got a lot of good suggestions for the light table - I'll investigate the quarter inch plate glass. I like the suggestions of keeping the light a little muted so we'll play with that as well. Took a class in ergonomics as part of my master's and my project was to design my stained glass room. I agree that just below elbow height should work best (at least that's what all the studies say). Looking forward to having a nice studio that can handle a variety of tasks. Thanks everyone for their suggestions. 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Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: HELP I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions please Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A$#`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`@ $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````/0`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0!33510`&=L M87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`````>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !```` M$ ```&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````2 M````)V=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;2<````"`0LP`0```!4```!33510.D=,05-3 M0$)53D=)+D-/30`````#```Y``````L`0#H!````'@#V7P$````0````9VQA M40&J&[" `K*E;"``!M# $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\, M`0```!0```!G M``@0`0```&4```!-659/5$5'3T5334]215=)5$A-24M%4TE$14%/1E-!3D1" M3$%35$E.1T1%4TE'3E-)3E1(14TL5$A%65=/54Q$0D502$5.3TU%3D%,5$]3 M04Y$0DQ!4U1!3D1&04-%049)4D50``````(!"1 !````F00``)4$``#A!@`` M3%I&=>]\B58#``H`$N&907]@% #P82`Z!S,3<@1R0`;@.@ M7%-P#> $D!X05")14U!T=61I']!-$4!A*QK!'Q!O$3!S'A!"0\4>$$,`<&%D M827J&)B)$^(Q-BL;:3,V`4"K%( :,6,%0"TN$ 1081Z@(%M3353(4#IG'*%S0!] `F#I!9$N;A% 727E,T &8*\" M,#.H"8 V4',J\'D>$)I*`'!U"L :`# W'A `,3DY." 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Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.1866.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Dear Dave and Glenna, Please let me add my thanks for your efforts in running this list!!! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 20:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:07:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:07:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.18738.0> References: <<1998Jan7.11321.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk I bet the back is ribbed too! My dream is to accumulate enough to do a storefront with. It's rare and probably very valuable to some. I think it was called "carrera". Makes a great table top. one could use gold leaf, glue chipping!!!, lustres, enamels. Try slumping it. make a bowl. test it's fusibility. > From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: HELP > > I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were > remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the > building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the > unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very > thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black > opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to > stick > them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a > freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions > please > > Paul > Bumblebee Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 20:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:37:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:32:27, -0500 Message-ID: <199801080432.XAA12974@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dave Rand wrote, >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass >List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There are now >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. During >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and >will be on-line searchable. All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo, I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic one. Any takers? Recruter, bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 21:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:21:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hey Howard Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:20:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan8.5200.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I don't see a problem with outside porch lights in stained glass I have made many panels for the old style gas lights for homes usually a seasonal theme such as xmas,spring etc.They were a very popular item. I just quit making them because I moved away from the city.Beveler4(STAN) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 21:35:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.193356.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Congratulations, Elisabeth! Thanks for sharing with us. (I knew your future held something GREAT to replace the lack of Christmas goose!) Happy and Prosperous New Year! Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 22:07:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:06:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:05:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.14556.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher and Desag`, couldn't get me to use anything else. It's nice to see "others" with the same pallet! Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when I do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure! Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass >And then, of course, there are >glasses like the Glashutte = > >Lamberts that we're working >with right now that make you >think you've died and gone >to glass heaven! West German. >Mouthblown. Expensive. Yum. > >Sure wish all our customers would >spring for this stuff! (I guess at = > >$120/sheet wholesale I should say >"stuph"!) > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 22:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:16:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HELP Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:16:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.141649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I hope you mean 24 inch by 48 inch! I looked at those measurments and almost fainted when you said it is 2 panels... -----Original Message----- From: James Owens To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:35 PM Subject: Re: HELP >Hi! I am new to this list and, as a matter of fact, new to computers and the >Internet in general, so please bear with me if I make mistakes. I learned to do >stained glass pieces 17 years ago from a night school class. I proceeded to >teach my husband how to do stained glass, and he really got into it. I have >three sons, all of whom have learned how to do stained glass as well. My >husband and I have done about five large pieces over the years as well as many >smaller ones. Currently we are working on our largest project yet, a two-panel >waterfall/nature scene roughly 24' x 48' total. > >While I have never done this myself, a currently popular use of stained glass >are mosaic panels and garden bricks for pathways. Your glass sounds thick >enough to be used for this kind of project depending on the weather conditions >in your area., expecially the pathway bricks. These are pieces of cut, colored >glass set into concrete forms in patterns and designs to brighten the garden. >You might consider looking into this type of usage. Hope this helps. > >Merry > >Wallace, Paul wrote: > >> I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were >> remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the >> building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the >> unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very >> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black >> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick >> them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a >> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions >> please >> >> Paul >> Bumblebee Stained Glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 22:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:20:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:20:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.142047.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ya, Glenna you are a very pretty lady. great works too! Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Myrddn To: Dave Rand Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List >Loved seeing a picture of what another Bungian looks like. Loved Glenna >"provoked" also. > >Especially her work. Makes me want to keep on trucking > >On 5 Jan 98, Dave Rand >wrote: > >> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass >> List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There are now >> almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. During the >> coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and will be >> on-line searchable. >> >> If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the >> web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to >> get them up for you. I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna, >> and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/ >> >> Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank >> you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years. >> Happy new year to all! >> >> Dave Rand >> >> -- >> Dave Rand >> dlr@bungi.com >> http://www.bungi.com >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >Myrddn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 7 22:24:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hey Howard Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.142356.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you can sell'em just do it. If you make them with foil I would think that they would be sturdy enough to hold up to the elements. Go for it. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:59 AM Subject: Hey Howard >I hope that didn't sound rude. >I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light. >I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check >out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if >it is meant to go outside. >So my question is: Is this a good idea? Or is their some reason not >to make stained glass porch lights? >Thanks in advance >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 03:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:16:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Internet Message Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:24:05 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in > mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic > one. Any takers? Yes, I'm constantly mentioning the bungi list in messages online and in print in the Guild's newsletter. I'm not sure how much help that is, but it's something. Actually, I guess that's the way it should work: if everyone here lets everyone else they know who works with glass know about the helpfulness of this group of people, the number of people participating just has to grow. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 03:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Web sites Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:24:05 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The Web is one of my plans for 1998..=20 > Other are tax exemption number, business name, and my membership to the = > Glass Guild.. Would you please tell me the how to the membership and the = > fee.. If you want to do it privately, please e mail me directly. The information's right there on bungi.com ... just go http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm if you want to know what the benefits of membership in the Guild are. We'd be glad to have you join. Good luck with your other resolutions; it sounds like you've decided to become more "professional" in your approach to glass and business. Albert Lewis, Exec. Dir. International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 03:57:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:57:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Shane Hupp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Change address Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan7.23041.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, Please change my e-mail address to katglass@emwv.com from hupp@citynet.net. I'm changing servers. Thanks, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 04:51:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:50:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:22:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.22243.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You can cut the blue glass to match the size of the bevel. Then use either 3/8" or 1/2" foil, hold the two pieces together and foil them as one piece. I do it often myself. You can see some wonderful plating done by Glassmith Studio's, their books are easily found. Michael ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 06:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:00:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Swarovski crystals sources Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.35846.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by MiChea`l McClendon >Hello Fellow artisans; I am IN SEARCH of Crystals (not resin), of Swarosky types; in =3D Brilliant and ANY shape(s) and shades. for Inlay of Stained glass windows/panels. Warmest Regards & Thanks in Advance. PS: Looking for "Bulk" sales.< Where are you located? Can you purchase wholesale? I know Glass Emporium (North Wales, PA distributor for wholesale purchase only) has Swarovski crystals in the following shapes: octagon, heart, teardrop, pear, star, snoflake, ball and spear. Rainbow Art Glass/Studio J (Wall, NJ both retail & wholesale) has Swarovski Strass crystals in the following shapes: snoflake, heart, ball, bell, teardrop, star, octagon, and frosted cross. Warner-Crivellaro (Allentown, PA retail) has "Austrian Crystals" which I believe are the same as the Swarovski crystals, available in the following shapes: octagon, heart, snowflake, teardrop and star. Email if you need more info about any of these sources. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 06:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:14:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.488.0> References: <<1998Jan7.113332.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote: > > you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish > > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada Hi Glenn, I certainly don't have a problem with sharing the thesis - it wasn't really a thesis, just a report for one of my classes. It's about 17 pages long and deals with me trying to figure out the best layout for my hobby room based on ergonomic principles. I completed the report in 1996 and those of you that choose to read it will notice that I said I planned to complete the room by October 1996 - ah, procrastination... My husband wants to have it done by February 1998 - he's been working on the actual design (how the joints go together, how to make the shelving units, etc., before we go out and make it). It's in Microsoft Word for 95 but I can probably convert it to other types of documents if people are interested. Basically I came out with the cutting surface should be just below elbow height, the grinding surface should be just above and the soldering surface should also be just above elbow height - whether this works in practice, we'll see. I have one table against the wall for my cutting and grinding and then I have another table sort of out in the middle of the room that is 3' wide and 6' long for my soldering. If anyone would like me to send them a copy I can, or I can post chapters on the newgroup. Whatever the group would like. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 07:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:09:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:04:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.5452.0> References: <<1998Jan7.163837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi pj- > > Nice idea with the vases! It's > just that kind of thing that makes > for repeat business, and it's sure > a lot nicer (and more appropriate) > than a fruit basket! And, yes, I > think we have been bitten by the > Lambert's bug - we'll see how it > goes after we start building tonight! > Some of the glass is kind of thick, > especially since we're using tons > of flash. = > > Cheers! > > Dani > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass another really nice glass is Fremont (i bielve that's right). the colors are really cool at it comes in opaque colors. but the pricing structure is about the same. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 07:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:13:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.5836.0> References: <<1998Jan7.11321.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote: > > My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, they > would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the other ideas > merely recycle them, this transforms them. > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: HELP > > I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were > remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the > building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the > unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very > thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black > opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to > stick > them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a > freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions > please > > Paul > Bumblebee Stained Glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together. some other uses: maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother uses a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing. maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly wind chime.. :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 07:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Internet Message Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.51014.0> References: <<199801080432.XAA12974@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Dave Rand wrote, > >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained > Glass > >List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There > are now > >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. > During > >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, > and > >will be on-line searchable. > > All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good > but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo, > I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in > mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic > one. Any takers? > Recruter, bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working > with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, > Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, whoever comes my way, i usually bring them here. i don't know though what the ratio is: people hitting my page to people joing bungi. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 07:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.51453.0> References: <<1998Jan7.14556.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa Thaxton wrote: > > When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher and > Desag`, couldn't get me to use anything else. It's nice to see "others" > with the same pallet! Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when I > do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure! > > Melissa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J. Greer > To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass > > >And then, of course, there are > >glasses like the Glashutte = > > > >Lamberts that we're working > >with right now that make you > >think you've died and gone > >to glass heaven! West German. > >Mouthblown. Expensive. Yum. > > > >Sure wish all our customers would > >spring for this stuff! (I guess at = > > > >$120/sheet wholesale I should say > >"stuph"!) > > > >Best regards, > > > >Dani Greer > >Greer Gallery & Studios > >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass oh then go to http://www.lamberts.de/elambhom.htm they have most of their colors online. it looks alot nicer in person of course, until you see the price attached. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 08:48:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:46:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:43:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan8.16431.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Elisabeth: What fun! what pleasure! what satisfaction! when reading any of your input into bungi. Whether sharing the experience of you and Toby frolicking in the fields by your home, or, traveling to Chartres to view the splendor of stained glass, or, reading your ideas on "my humble trade".......you manage to write so that I feel, see, and share, these marvelous places and the things you write about. I thoroughly enjoyed the dedication ceremony and the delightful people who made it all possible (via your description)...... May we continue to be a part of your "happenings" when we, ourselves, cannot be there, and to share your thoughts on things that are meaningful to you...stained glass, or not. Sincerely, Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 09:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: <199801081754.JAA08393@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Last Sunday was the first time I myself saw both panels mounted on >the wall in the Church with the Cross in the middle and the >back-lighting in full flow. The impact totally threw me. I arrived to Ah Elisabeth, what a moment that must have been for you...I remember how you laboured over possible mounting systems for these panels last year. I remember when you let us know the woman had her second heart attack and that the rush was on. And now to hear of the breaks...we've all been in this along with you to some extent. >I had put down in writing my own impressions of Ernest post-humously and how my interpretations were translated into stained glass. I gave them about 3 type-written >pages ... read out my entire notes. It was >almost embarrassing. Nevertheless, it was also very moving. Elisabeth, how wonderful. This to my mind is truly what stained glass is about...or at least why I do it...to make an impact on the viewer and also to tell a story, as well as providing something nice to look at. I've recently come to a realization that although I've never done a church panel, many of my pieces are very spiritual. You must be feeling so honored (at a deep, rather than publicity level) to have made such an ongoing impact on the congregation. >During last prayers, the (new) Minister made a point of telling the >Congration that THIS time, not to shut their eyes, but to look at the >panels and meditate on them. Again, I have to ask...Isn't this why stained glass panels were originally put into churches...so the congregation could learn from the story or message within them? All the best Carol PS Tail wags from Kayla to Toby! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 10:10:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:08:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Josh Simpson-Glass Artist Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.8110.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I want to share this with my friends at bungi. There is an article in = today's Virginia Pilot about Josh Simpson. He is in Portsmouth, VA with = some of his work on display. The newspaper didn't do his work justice. = so, i looked him up on the web. Beautiful, I will have to make a point = of viewing his work personally while it is here at the Arts Center. If = you are into glass blowing and paperweights, glass blown into a copper = basket, (or even if you just like beauty) check him out at:=20 http://www.megaplanet.com/index.html Oh to be able to perfect an art the way he has.....sigh..... Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 13:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:10:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Josh Simpson-Glass Artist Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199801082106.QAA21831@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Linda, Not to take away anything from Josh Simpson, but if you are impressed by his work, then why not try your hand at it. I don't believe I have ever seen anything done so far that cannot be duplicated or perfected. I tell all of our students that there is not one thing that Tiffany ever did in stained glass that the students cannot do also - it is a matter of setting one's mind to it and accomplishing it. And there are so many more possibilities today than there were back then. The same with Josh - he had to start somewhere. Yes, it will take time. Yes, it will take money. But where there is a will, there is a way. I say "go for it." ---------- > From: Linda Campbell > To: 'glass@bungi.com' > Subject: Josh Simpson-Glass Artist > Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:11 PM > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 13:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:54:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: half round bevels Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.84422.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs. Other than custom, any one know who might stock these?? -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 14:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Josh Simpson-Glass Artist Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <199801082212.OAA27015@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Seconded..............IMHO, you will never reach your best piece if you keep working at it. Normal to make mistakes, and one continues to do so.....trick is make different ones each time and to learn from the prior ones. I am my harshest critic.......I can ALWAYS improve the shade. Another reason to not force your self into a position where you have to do the CHEAPEST work to compete. Some can and will do the same type piece for less. Do it well and then do it better. I have gotten in trouble before when I have suggested that glass is not for the financially challenged! When a student has made a major effort to complain on an on-going basis about the costs, I have suggested weaving beach grass instead of a glass course and pointed out the supply of grass is still free! Over years I have come to grips with the thought that NOT everyone must like me! before I get too far off the subject (what ever it was), enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 14:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: half round bevels Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:29:20 -0800 Message-ID: <199801082229.OAA28801@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The >pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY >few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs. >Other than custom, any one know who might stock these?? > It's relatively easy to make your own...just score across a 4" bevel as if you're cutting flat glass (don't forget to go across the angled parts also), and VOILA, you have half bevels...experiment also...what about 1/3 of a 4" bevel...they can look great in the right piece. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 15:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: half round bevels Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:44:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.114440.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carl... Most any dealer should be able to get them for you.... If not try mail order... They do indeed make them as regular stock as I just bought a box from one of my wholesalers last month for a panel I was working on... Byron... -----Original Message----- From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: half round bevels >I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The >pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY >few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs. >Other than custom, any one know who might stock these?? > >-- >'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative >altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's >most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for >others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 16:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: half round bevels Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:55:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan8.23558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have bought them but it's been a couple of years ago. I can narrow it down to Warner-Crivellero, Delphi, or Glass Crafters. Hope this helps. Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 16:37:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:36:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.143147.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think what you've got isn't really glass but a ceramic/glass product called vitrolite that was very popular in the late fifties. -----Original Message----- From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Date: January 7, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles >I bet the back is ribbed too! >My dream is to accumulate enough to do a storefront with. >It's rare and probably very valuable to some. I think it was called >"carrera". Makes a great table top. one could use gold leaf, glue >chipping!!!, lustres, enamels. Try slumping it. make a bowl. test it's >fusibility. > >> From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: HELP >> >> I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were >> remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding the >> building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us the >> unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very >> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy black >> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to >> stick >> them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't resist a >> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. Suggestions >> please >> >> Paul >> Bumblebee Stained Glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 16:37:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:36:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Internet Message Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.143357.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I do a newsletter called the FigLeafNet, by e-mail once every three weeks, and today I plugged the bungi group in it. So hope that helps. -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: glass@bungi.com Date: January 8, 1998 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Internet Message >BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: >> >> Dave Rand wrote, >> >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained >> Glass >> >List. During that time there have been a number of changes. There >> are now >> >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995. >> During >> >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, >> and >> >will be on-line searchable. >> >> All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good >> but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo, >> I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in >> mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic >> one. Any takers? >> Recruter, bob >> >> ____ >> Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working >> with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, >> Escondido, CA, 92026,USA >> Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >well, whoever comes my way, i usually bring them here. i don't know >though what the ratio is: people hitting my page to people joing bungi. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 17:31:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:29:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Neat site that I found Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108203012.0069db64@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd share with everyone an interesting site that I found while exploring a little tonight. It's got some really great shots of some beautiful windows. Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" P.O. Box 322 Glyndon, MD 21071 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 17:31:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:29:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:34:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.133437.0> References: <<1998Jan8.488.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Sandy, one way or another, i'd sure like to read it. snail mail: linn keller r.r.3, box 51 los fresnos, tx 78566 or fax, if that's easier: 956/430-8502 let me know cost - i'll get it to you asap. thanks!!! linn Sandra Willis wrote: > > Glenn Spicer wrote: > > > > you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish > > > > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > Hi Glenn, > > I certainly don't have a problem with sharing the thesis - it wasn't > really a thesis, just a report for one of my classes. It's about 17 > pages long and deals with me trying to figure out the best layout for my > hobby room based on ergonomic principles. I completed the report in > 1996 and those of you that choose to read it will notice that I said I > planned to complete the room by October 1996 - ah, procrastination... My > husband wants to have it done by February 1998 - he's been working on > the actual design (how the joints go together, how to make the shelving > units, etc., before we go out and make it). > > It's in Microsoft Word for 95 but I can probably convert it to other > types of documents if people are interested. Basically I came out with > the cutting surface should be just below elbow height, the grinding > surface should be just above and the soldering surface should also be > just above elbow height - whether this works in practice, we'll see. I > have one table against the wall for my cutting and grinding and then I > have another table sort of out in the middle of the room that is 3' wide > and 6' long for my soldering. > > If anyone would like me to send them a copy I can, or I can post > chapters on the newgroup. Whatever the group would like. > > Sandy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 17:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:40:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Neat site that I found Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:41:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108204118.0069cd58@pop.erols.com> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980108203012.0069db64@pop.erols.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:30 PM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Just thought I'd share with everyone an interesting site that I found >while exploring a little tonight. It's got some really great shots of >some beautiful windows. > > >Robert & Jeanne Keane >Hee Sun Stained Glass >"Bestow Pleasure" >P.O. Box 322 >Glyndon, MD 21071 >410-833-3007 > >jkeane@erols.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Sorry, forgot the url here it is http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/ Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" P.O. Box 322 Glyndon, MD 21071 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 18:08:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:06:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:52:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.15228.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Sandy - I would like a copy of your paper also. I would be more than happy to cover your expense. I have a feeling more than 2 of us would be interested. My s-mail is L. A. Elsbury - 348 S. Woodrow Ave., Indpls., IN 46241 or if you prefer to fax let me know and we'll work out a time since my fax gets moved between phone lines frequently. Thanks! Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 18:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:22:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.162158.0> References: <<1998Jan8.143147.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I recall that term [vitrolite], also. Mike Figgy wrote: > > I think what you've got isn't really glass but a ceramic/glass product > called vitrolite that was very popular in the late fifties. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 19:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Half-round bevels Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.171441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Our wholesalers carry these 4" bevels so they can't be too hard to find. I'll bet Charles at W-C stocks them. Best regards, Dani Greer P.S. Carol, when you cut the 4" rounds in half, do you have the new edges bevelled? If not, how do you use them so the unbeveled edge has eye appeal? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 19:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:49:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OOPS Forgot the URL Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108225003.006a2288@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here' s the URL that I forgot to put on the last note. Hope this helps http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/ Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" P.O. Box 322 Glyndon, MD 21071 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 20:45:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:44:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Half-round bevels Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199801090444.UAA04633@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >P.S. Carol, when you cut the >4" rounds in half, do you have >the new edges bevelled? If >not, how do you use them so >the unbeveled edge has eye >appeal? Hi Dani, Hope you met all your deadlines okay. I guess technically what I've used isn't half round bevels since I don't bevel the cut side...it's really a 4" bevel cut into two pieces. I use these mainly in free-form designs and they look great, since the half moon of the bevel becomes a design feature. To finish off the unbevelled edge, I use thicker foil to make sure the side is completely covered and, again in my design work, plan to use thickish glass in the adjacent piece. Where the thicker foil turns the corner onto the bevelled edge I trim it of course to match the regular foil (usually 7/32). I hope to persuade Albert to put a new photo up on my web page soon that shows how I do this. Got the photos back today and I need to set up the lighting differently since the piece is a room divider with no natural backlighting. Looks like it's time to invest in more flash equipment :) Cheers Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 21:14:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:13:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: B Norman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subscribe Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:13:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan8.131331.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What ever the attachment was in this message it froze up my mail system completely, did anyone else have a problem with it? (From one of the responses I saw on Bungi, it appears he asked about locating crystals, altho his "subject" was 'subscribe') ---MiChea`l McClendon wrote: _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 8 22:44:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.20914.0> References: <<1998Jan7.11321.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Perhaps you could use the black glass tiles to make some nifty display pedestals. You could assemble them using silicone adhesive, the way they do fish tanks, and light them from inside with white glass (or a stained glass design) for the top only. Then if you place a stained glass box or standing butterfly lady with the cast body, etc on top it will light them up nicely. You could make short 16*16 tables with chess/checkerboard top lighted internally. If you have a sandblaster you could blast clean through on the sides and let light through or glue opalescent glass on the inside of the cutouts for a really dramatic effect. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0500 "M. Savad" writes: >Glenn Spicer wrote: >> >> My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, >they >> would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the >other ideas >> merely recycle them, this transforms them. >> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: HELP >> >> I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were >> remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding >the >> building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us >the >> unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of >very >> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy >black >> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used >to >> stick >> them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't >resist a >> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. >Suggestions >> please >> >> Paul >> Bumblebee Stained Glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> Name: WINMAIL.DAT >> Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) >> Encoding: x-uuencode >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door >mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together. > >some other uses: > >maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother >uses >a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you >chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing. >maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly >wind >chime.. :) > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up >A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 00:23:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:23:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 00:24:26 -0800 Message-ID: <9801098843.AA884334266@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. Reason: Unable to access cc:Mail Post office. Please retry later. Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from betty.mfi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Fri, 09 Jan 98 00:24:24 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com by betty.mfi.com (8.8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA24660; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Black Glass Tiles Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.20914.0> References: <<1998Jan7.11321.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Perhaps you could use the black glass tiles to make some nifty display pedestals. You could assemble them using silicone adhesive, the way they do fish tanks, and light them from inside with white glass (or a stained glass design) for the top only. Then if you place a stained glass box or standing butterfly lady with the cast body, etc on top it will light them up nicely. You could make short 16*16 tables with chess/checkerboard top lighted internally. If you have a sandblaster you could blast clean through on the sides and let light through or glue opalescent glass on the inside of the cutouts for a really dramatic effect. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0500 "M. Savad" writes: >Glenn Spicer wrote: >> >> My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, >they >> would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the >other ideas >> merely recycle them, this transforms them. >> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: HELP >> >> I need som suggestions please. Recently some friends of ours were >> remodeling an old building. When they took off the modern siding >the >> building had a glass facade. They removed the facade and gave us >the >> unbroken pieces. What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of >very >> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick. They are all glossy >black >> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used >to >> stick >> them up. They are probably from at least the 20's. I couldn't >resist a >> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them. >Suggestions >> please >> >> Paul >> Bumblebee Stained Glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> Name: WINMAIL.DAT >> Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) >> Encoding: x-uuencode >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door >mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together. > >some other uses: > >maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother >uses >a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you >chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing. >maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly >wind >chime.. :) > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up >A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 00:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:58:22 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.85822.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to see a copy too if possible Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 00:58:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!live4games From: "MiChea`l McClendon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Crystals" & Re: "B Norman" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.165714.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello B. Norman; Thank You for you reply, concerning my "mail" i.e. Crystals. Yes It was responded to By From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo With the Original Message of: From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: Swarovski crystals sources Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 07:40 Message text written by MiChea`l McClendon >Hello Fellow artisans; I am IN SEARCH of Crystals (not resin), of Swarovsky types; in =3D Brilliant and ANY shape(s) and shades. for Inlay of Stained glass windows/panels. Warmest Regards & Thanks in Advance. PS: Looking for "Bulk" sales.< with RESPONSE as: Where are you located? Can you purchase wholesale? I know Glass Emporium (North Wales, PA distributor for wholesale purchase only) has Swarovski crystals in the following shapes: octagon, heart, teardrop, pear, star, snoflake, ball and spear. Rainbow Art Glass/Studio J (Wall, NJ both retail & wholesale) has Swarovski Strass crystals in the following shapes: snowflake, heart, ball, bell, teardrop, star, octagon, and frosted cross. Warner-Crivellaro (Allentown, PA retail) has "Austrian Crystals" which I believe are the same as the Swarovski crystals, available in the following shapes: octagon, heart, snowflake, teardrop and star. Thank You All w/ Special THANKS To: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo B NORMAN: Sorry, I had my "Digitally Sign message" on, and that may have caused the problem in sending! PS: In case there's future correspondence, MiChea`l is pronounced like Michelle! ;-) No Harm! And in closing...NO, I don't have access to Wholesale. If there's any other input, Please submit? Again, My Thanks. MiChea`l McClendon. live4games@worldnet.att.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 00:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Recruiting new bungi members Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:58:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.85821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We too suggest anyone contacts us with have any queries or problems with their stained glass joins bungi - though we do try to answer them personally too. Only seen two new names I recognise yet, but maybe next time they have a crack in their project or want to locate an item they will pop up. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 03:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:28:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: OOPS Forgot the URL Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:27:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.112749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-08 22:55:11 EST, you write: << Here' s the URL that I forgot to put on the last note. Hope this helps http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/ >> I am not able to retrieve this-any suggestions? Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 03:57:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:57:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: OOPS Forgot the URL Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:04:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/ > I am not able to retrieve this-any suggestions? Whispy Blu@aol.com Try again ... I went there this morning and had no problems. The above URL works ... just get rid of the ">" and space at the head of the line above and make sure it ends with the "/" after "stmarys" Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 07:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:59:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: half round bevels Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:49:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.14914.0> References: <<199801082229.OAA28801@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I thought about this, BUT, the new cut (accross the diameter), will not be beveled. and is twice as thick as the rest of the glass it abuts, which doesn't work for me personally, and would screw up the line of the design, going from 1/4" to 1/8" thickness. Thanks for the thought anyhow Carol Swann wrote: > >It's relatively easy to make your own...just score across a 4" bevel > as if > you're cutting flat glass (don't forget to go across the angled parts > also), > and VOILA, you have half bevels...Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 07:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:18:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wiredweb.com!croch From: "Carol J. Rochnowski" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:19:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan8.231943.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would love a copy also - Is it possible to just attach a copy here for all of us? thanks for sharing Carol -----Original Message----- From: LElsbury To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 6:35 PM Subject: Re: studio thesis >Sandy - I would like a copy of your paper also. I would be more than happy to >cover your expense. I have a feeling more than 2 of us would be interested. >My s-mail is L. A. Elsbury - 348 S. Woodrow Ave., Indpls., IN 46241 or if >you prefer to fax let me know and we'll work out a time since my fax gets >moved between phone lines frequently. Thanks! Whispy Blu@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 08:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:06:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199801091604.LAA14782@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My mail got messed up the day before. Could it be the same problem? ---------- > From: B Norman > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Subscribe > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:13 AM > > > What ever the attachment was in this message it froze up my mail > system completely, did anyone else have a problem with it? > > (From one of the responses I saw on Bungi, it appears he asked about > locating crystals, altho his "subject" was 'subscribe') > > > > > ---MiChea`l McClendon wrote: > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 09:52:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:49:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.174925.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have noticed that most attachments are not real attachments, some kind of error maybe if someone wanted to send an attachment they should say I am sending an attachment. and discribe what it is that way you would know whether to down load or not. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 10:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:43:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Looking for Design of Indian Chief Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:46:22 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.204622.0> References: <<1998Jan6.11316.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jazzykid, Joyce, Shirley, and Patrick, Thank you for your help in locating native american designs. The Stained= Glass Biz pattern search site Jazzykid suggested is a real lifesaver. = I'll definitely be using in alot in the future I'm sure. Shirley, Is this a new pattern book? I called a retailer and they could= n't find it listed. Does it have an ISBN number on the back of it I can = search by? Is it just the pictures, or does it also include the patterns= ? > Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II > book? Patrick, Thanks for the suggestion of Southwest Expressions. I located = a copy of it locally and I'm going to go take a look at it tomorrow. Joyce, once again, thank you so much for your design of the Indian Chief.= It's wonderful. Even if I do decide to go with a full-sized window, = I'm going to make this panel as well. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 10:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:02:13 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.21213.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the tip, which is causing a wavy effect. I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 degree tip? For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for foil work? I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one). Will that affect the power so much that the tip won't heat enough? Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the Weller 100? Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work? The tip it came with (3/8") seems way too wide. I'm usually using a 1/4" tip. Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary? Would a little WD-40 or something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the same thing? I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing up. I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag. Would it be harmful to the iron for any reason to be stored without the tip? Damage to the barrell? Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 11:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 1st.net!glasqult From: Joni Tornwall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:13:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.151331.0> References: <<1998Jan9.21213.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I also have the same problem with my Weller 100 (with the built-in temperatue control). It is really frustrating because the iron seems to be hot enough sometimes and cold other times. I used much less expensive irons that had rheostats at school and they worked so much better. I am buying a "cheaper" iron and a rheostat on my next trip to the glass store, unless I can find a way to make my present iron work. One thing I have noticed--if I screw the tip tightly against the iron, it overheats and then stops heating all together! I would also appreciate any suggestions. Joni > I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does > not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the > tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > > I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 12:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:13:39 -0800 Message-ID: <199801092013.MAA05310@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with a rheostat is the ONLY way to go for foil work. Also available is an 1,100 degree tip as well. You may find some other of my posts in the archives. I can sell you the 1140A ungar and rheostat if so desire. Email me privately, Howard weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 12:20:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: to Valerie (if you ain't her, you do not have to open it) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:20:37 -0800 Message-ID: <199801092019.MAA06247@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The post got bounced back from all three addresses so I have posted it to the list. Hi Valerie, seems I have a lot of addresses for you and one of these should get through. Hope you are surviving the weather, from here it looks pretty rough. Enough social chit-chat! The rental of the 12" chestnut is as follows: Form and Pattern is $110.00 branches are $ 24.00 postage $ 12.00 ----------------- Total $146.00 to me WHEN I get the form and pattern (in no worse condition) back I will send you a check for:$60.50 (55% of the retail of the form and pattern) The form is drilled on top for a worden lamp holder, a nice addition (but not necessary) if you are going to do a few shades over the years. Enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 13:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:27:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!bobnkate From: "McDaniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: <199801092126.QAA12243@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, it froze up mine also. I had to call the provider and he deleted the message which unblocked things. Nasty! Dr. Bob and The Loom Rat bobnkate@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: OOPS Forgot the URL Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.215717.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Thanks Albert - it took 3 more attempts but I finally got there. :))) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:09:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: concentric.net!shmfcoop From: "M. Cooper" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribing Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.121246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks,

    I have been mostly a lurker for about a year + some.  I am unsubscribing from this wonderful list, as I have not had time to do stained glass in the last 6 months with working full time and having a toddler running around.  But I have learned a great deal of information (and enjoyed at least some of the heated discussions), and I hope to find this list again when I can devote more time to stained glass!  Thanks!

            Meigan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:30:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.122525.0> References: <<1998Jan9.21213.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does > not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the > tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > > I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 > degree tip? > > For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for > foil work? > > I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one). Will that affect > the power so much that the tip won't heat enough? > > Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the > Weller 100? > > Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work? The tip it came > with (3/8") seems way too wide. I'm usually using a 1/4" tip. > > Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary? Would a little WD-40 or > something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the > same thing? I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm > not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing > up. I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag. Would it be harmful to the > iron for any reason to be stored without the tip? Damage to the barrell? > > Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems. > Dawn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't have a weller, but hotter is always better, in my book. i personally don't use anti sieze, it tends to smoke (even if it's meant for heat). wd-40 would go up in a cloud of smoke. usaully all of my tips are around 3/8" wide. mainly because i can get into tight spots, and also so my arm does'nt get tired (heavier iron). i prefer keeping the tip in, mainly because it protects the elements. it keeps them from rusting (faster), and from foriegn objects. it also prevents loosing the tips. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:33:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:28:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.122820.0> References: <<199801092013.MAA05310@smtp3.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with a rheostat is the ONLY way to > go for foil work. > > Also available is an 1,100 degree tip as well. > You may find some other of my posts in the archives. > > I can sell you the 1140A ungar and rheostat if so desire. > > Email me privately, Howard > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so far that's the only iron that i like. hot tip, flexible cord, can be used on a reostat. but expensive, though worth it... generally i get the 50w (1100 degree). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: where is it? Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:45:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980109164527.007b9790@mail.tznet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI! tried both Explorer and Netscape and got the same "can't open" for This was supposed to be Fusion headquarters web page? I got this off the igga list of suppliers. What did I do wrong? Thanks, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:49:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:04:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan9.2242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I use my 100 watt thermostat controlled on a rheostat when I need a cooler temp. I was also "taught" to use vaseline on the tip (cheaper) and to take the tip off when I'm not using it to keep it from freezing on the iron (Weller). I too would be interested in what others do. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 14:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:56:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 17:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <199801092256.RAA18071@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > >I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does >not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the >tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > >I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 >degree tip? > >For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for >foil work? Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully. I personally prefer the 1/4-inch tip also, it seems to be wide enough for my work and turn it on its side for finer soldering. The Glastar rheostat cost me about $32; I have found it well worth the investment! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 15:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:12:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:56:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.225613.0> References: <<1998Jan9.21213.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I have a few suggestions, which I have interspersed with your message. In message <1998Jan9.21213.0@?>, Dawn writes >Hello everyone, > >I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does >not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the >tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > This sounds like there just isn't enough capacity to deal with the heat loss from the tip while soldering. Going a bit slower might help. >I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 >degree tip? an 800 degree soldering bolt might help, but it still may be that 100 watts just isn't enough power to keep the tip hot for the speed of your work. > >For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for >foil work? I use 800 for foil, 700 for lead. But I also have a 200w Weller which gives no problem in heat loss. It only has a (rather large) 700 degree bolt > >I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one). Will that affect >the power so much that the tip won't heat enough? No. > >Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the >Weller 100? No. the rheostat just reduces the amount of power going to the iron and therefore the bolt, meaning that the bolt will take longer to recover from the heat loss of melting the solder. > >Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work? The tip it came >with (3/8") seems way too wide. I'm usually using a 1/4" tip. Fine, use what you feel comfortable with, but remember the soldering bolt is a heat sink. It holds a lot of heat with which to melt the solder. the smaller the bolt, the faster it loses heat, so the slower you have to solder. > >Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary? Would a little WD-40 or >something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the >same thing? I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm >not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing >up. I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag. Would it be harmful to the >iron for any reason to be stored without the tip? Damage to the barrell? > I partially unscrew the securing ring after the iron has cooled and before i put it away. As long as the iron is stored in dry conditions, there should be no problems storing the iron with or without the bolt. But, are you sure the ziplock bag is dry inside? -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 15:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:36:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ideal.jf.intel.com!lynice From: "L. Spangler" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hot Glass Horizons (was RE: where is it?) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.153055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This URL worked for me. Has anyone gone to this 3-day event? I'd be interested in hearing some feedback so I can decide if I want to go. Thanks, L. Spangler On Friday, January 09, 1998 10:45 PM, Pat Diacca Topp [SMTP:diacca@tznet.com] wrote: > HI! tried both Explorer and Netscape and got the same "can't open" for > This was supposed to be Fusion > headquarters web page? I got this off the igga list of suppliers. What > did I do wrong? > > Thanks, Pat > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 17:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean " To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199801100143.RAA13479@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if there was any 'attachment' to the msg (I never got that far!) from: MiChea`l McClendon. live4games@worldnet.att.net It was the message itself that jammed my mail! I too had to get the provider to investigate the problem (when I couldn't retrieve mail for 12 hours!). They removed the message sent by MiChea'l and that cleared it up. Something in her message appears to have 'bombed' some of our browsers. This has happened in the past, for one reason or another. Do any of you computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the future? ---------- > From: DMR74 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:49 AM > > I have noticed that most attachments are not real attachments, some kind of > error maybe if someone wanted to send an attachment they should say I am > sending an attachment. and discribe what it is that way you would know whether > to down load or not. > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 18:27:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:26:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Joseph Arthurs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: studio thesis Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.16209.0> References: <<1998Jan8.133437.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I've been getting lots of interest in the studio thesis. My husband was playing around on his web page (Have pity when you visit, he's just learning) and loaded it up on the page. You can download it from: http://www3.sympatico.ca/arthurs.and.willis/Glass.htm It's only in Word for now, I'll try to get the text version out some time this weekend, but the tables and figures don't work out very well in the text version. Given the kafuffle about attachments jamming up e-mail, I won't bother to attach it here. Keep in mind that this represents stained glass as I see it, and I am a pure hobbyist who happens to struggle with soldering and sometimes cutting. I had to write it for someone who didn't know anything about the hobby. Also, as usual, I left the writing until the last minute before the assignment was due, so some of it may be oversimplified or exagerated (that word doesn't look right no matter how I spell it) depending on what I thought the instructor wanted to see. While you're at the site, you can take a look at our Caribbean vacation summaries. Only 30 more days to go 'til the next one. That's great given that our National Capital has been listed in a state of emergency because of the ice storms the last few days and that's only a four hour drive from here. Hope this helps, it's nice to give back to a group that's been so helpful to me. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 18:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Joseph Arthurs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.162850.0> References: <<1998Jan9.151331.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has experienced this phenomenon. When I am soldering, the solder bead sets so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I still get the same sort of bead. I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead speed difference when I used my friend's iron. I haven't taken the iron into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step. Anyone hear of this before? These Ungar solder irons sound interesting, will take a look in my catalogs for prices. Thanks much as always, Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 19:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:04:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Why flux? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.17337.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All- Here's a question for the teachers and scientists in the group. A customer ask me today why I had to use flux before I soldered. Ummm. Well, umm, the solder won't stick = otherwise... Ummm, good question. Could I get a scientific ( but understandable to a layman) answer in case a student every asks me that?! Thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 19:32:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:31:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Happy New Year Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists! Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now working on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little . I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts daily (((: So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there among us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic. Thanks, Di ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* _ |\_ \` ..\ Di Baker __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm `-----'`-----` `--` ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 21:04:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:03:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:47:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.184740.0> References: <<1998Jan9.17337.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There are three main reasons that you need flux. 1) Flux cleans the metal so that solder can easily bond with it. If you watch while you apply flux to some older copper foil you can actually see the color get lighter and shinier. 2) Flux forms a liquid bridge between your iron tip and your metals aiding in the transfer of heat to your work. 3) Flux reduces the surface tension of the molten solder. For a graphic demonstration of this try the following: Start with a clean dry piece of wood, homosote or wall board. Melt some solder onto the material and push it around a bit with your hot iron. You will see that the metal looks lifeless and kind of like it has a thick skin over it. It reminds me of a plastic bag full of water. While the solder is still hot , quickly brush a bit of flux onto it. If you don't douse it too heavily and cool it off, you will witness it immediately come to life. The "plastic bag" will disappear and the solder will pull itself up into a lively snappy ball that bounces and rolls around freely. (like mercury) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:03:37 -0500 "Michael J. Greer" writes: >Hi All- > >Here's a question for the teachers >and scientists in the group. A >customer ask me today why I had >to use flux before I soldered. Ummm. >Well, umm, the solder won't stick = > >otherwise... Ummm, good question. >Could I get a scientific ( but >understandable to a layman) answer >in case a student every asks me that?! >Thanks! > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 21:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:26:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snowcrest.net!aurora From: "cathie sutton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:17:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199801100526.VAA05317@snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk dawn. have you tried to clean you iron? when cool unscrew the nut that holds the tip in then pull out tip and clean with rubbing alcohol also use q-tip and clean out the inside of the iron where the tip sets. If that doesn't work try another extention cord. cathie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 21:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:48:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.192745.0> References: <<199801100143.RAA13479@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email me, and let me know what software you are using for email, I'll try to find a common thread Jean wrote: > This has happened in the past, for one reason or another. Do any of you > computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the > future? 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 22:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:03:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.2038.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn- It sounds to me like your iron is just not able to keep up with you. We don't use the Weller100 for copper foil work at all- it just cools off too fast to get a good long run. You might try a beefier Weller - 150 or 175. We like Hexacons if you can find a source - have only found one wholesaler that supplies them though. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 22:14:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:13:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean " To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:14:09 -0800 Message-ID: <199801100609.WAA25441@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carl, I use Microsoft Explorer for mail. That msg totally stopped up my mail system. My provider deleted the offending mail and all was well after that. They could not get my mail with one machine but with Netscape on another they were able to get all and the problem was cleared. Hopefully the others will also let you know what they are using, it would be nice to resolve this. Thx, Jean ---------- > From: Carl Childers > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:27 PM > > I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email me, > and let me know what software you are using for email, I'll try to find a > common thread > > Jean wrote: > > > This has happened in the past, for one reason or another. Do any of you > > computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the > > future? > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 22:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:35:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: "Melissa Thaxton" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:35:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.143522.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I know I've been there. just beautiful. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass >Melissa Thaxton wrote: >> >> When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher and >> Desag`, couldn't get me to use anything else. It's nice to see "others" >> with the same pallet! Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when I >> do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure! >> >> Melissa >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael J. Greer >> To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass >> >> >And then, of course, there are >> >glasses like the Glashutte = >> > >> >Lamberts that we're working >> >with right now that make you >> >think you've died and gone >> >to glass heaven! West German. >> >Mouthblown. Expensive. Yum. >> > >> >Sure wish all our customers would >> >spring for this stuff! (I guess at = >> > >> >$120/sheet wholesale I should say >> >"stuph"!) >> > >> >Best regards, >> > >> >Dani Greer >> >Greer Gallery & Studios >> >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ >> >---- >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >oh then go to http://www.lamberts.de/elambhom.htm they have most of >their colors online. it looks alot nicer in person of course, until you >see the price attached. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 23:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:13:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@BUNGI.COM" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:03:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.20315.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reply, Gary, but I want to know WHY. What is happening on a chemical level? What is it about flux that does all these things, why can't I use some- thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that matter!) Why do the same character- istics you describe apply to both copper foil and lead? Why can't I "clean" my lead with a steel brush and have the solder adhere without flux? It's more than just how clean the metal is. There's a chemical reaction that occurs and I'd like to get an understandable explanation if that's possible. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 23:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:28:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199801100728.XAA29069@snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a question about putting the Weller 100 on a rheastat, I was taught not to do that, the Weller 100 has an internal control and putting it on a rheastat would burn it out. Has this changed? I find if I don't keep the tip very clean, I lose heat much faster and have to solder much slower. Sherry At 05:58 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dawn wrote: >> >>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot >> enough. >>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 >>degree tip? Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a >Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering >problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for >beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully. >Suzanne > >- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 9 23:54:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:53:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Looking for Design of Indian Chief Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:52:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.155259.0> References: <<1998Jan9.204622.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Jazzykid, Joyce, Shirley, and Patrick, > > Thank you for your help in locating native american designs. The Stained= > Glass Biz pattern search site Jazzykid suggested is a real lifesaver. = > I'll definitely be using in alot in the future I'm sure. > > Shirley, Is this a new pattern book? I called a retailer and they could= > n't find it listed. Does it have an ISBN number on the back of it I can = > search by? Is it just the pictures, or does it also include the patterns= > ? > > Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II > > book? ISBN 0-935133-34-8 Copyright 1990 Title Pattern # Size Page Cheyenne Winter CKE-107 19" by 17" 26 Navajo Brave CKE-115 16" by 23" 26 Plains Warrior CKE-120 24" by 33" 25 Forever Proud CKE119 21" by 35" 24 All patterns are $9 ea. Shoshoni Encampment and Navajo Brave are a pair. It is a 50 page soft cover book with 50 full color photos of the finnished project. Then the last 3 pages are the order info. Hope this helps. It is a really neat book. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 00:47:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New Stepping Stone site and Indian pattern Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.164451.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk This has really taken stepping stones and stained glass to a high level if not the highest. Check it out http://glassicarts.com/artwork.htm And it sure looks like the indian is CKE's Forever Proud if you want to see what that pattern looks like. The background is IMHO better. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 01:39:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:38:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Indian Chief Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.173749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Just got my Winter 97/98 Glass Pattern Quarterly and on page 22 Wardell Publication isadvertising Windows of North America. There is a great Indian Chief on the cover. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 02:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:11:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hot Glass Horizons (was RE: where is it?) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:19:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Has anyone gone to this 3-day event? Gil Reynolds has a reputation for being one of the most knowledgeable glass fusing people around ... and an infectious, enthusiastic teacher, as well, so I'd say go for it. By the way, the URL http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz/ works fine from here. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 03:41:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:40:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan10.114021.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-10 00:10:49 EST, you write: << Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with a rheostat is the ONLY way to > go for foil work. >> Howard: If you have the time would you explain why? Thanks! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 04:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:33:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:35:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199801101231.HAA10503@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Are you using lead solder? I know lead free will do this. Also as to soldering irons, our favorite at our store is the Hakko. I started on an Ungar years ago and loved it, also, but almost immediately burned my cord - it slips right through the rings on the soldering iron holder. The Hakko has a big, thick cord that doesn't allow this to happen. But that is not the real reason for my love of the Hakko - it just feels better and seems to have that nice, even heat to the tip. However, we still sell Ungars and they are great, too. Actually, it is a really big investement, but the Hexacon iron is great - kind of hard to get used to at first (it is hatchet shaped) but I don't have to go back and bead - the first swipe is the last swipe since it puts a bead on the piece as you are doing preliminary soldering. Well, thats my 2 cents worth. Zane ---------- > From: Joseph Arthurs > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Weller 100 > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:28 PM > > Hi everyone, > > I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has > experienced this phenomenon. When I am soldering, the solder bead sets > so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. > I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I > still get the same sort of bead. I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over > Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do > with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no > complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead > speed difference when I used my friend's iron. I haven't taken the iron > into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step. > > Anyone hear of this before? These Ungar solder irons sound interesting, > will take a look in my catalogs for prices. > > Thanks much as always, > > Sandy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 04:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Happy New Year Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199801101234.HAA24134@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would just wipe it off well - you have been handling it with flux and lead on your hands for several days/weeks, so it may have surface contamination. Otherwise, let Cagney go at it. Ever tried tying it to a piece of string and attaching the string to a pole (sort of a fishing rod set up) and they teasing her with it. Cats love that, also. ---------- > From: Di Baker > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Happy New Year > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:32 PM > > Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists! > > Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now working > on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little > . > > I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have > really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts > daily (((: > > So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there among > us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any > harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not > cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic. > > Thanks, > > Di > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > _ |\_ > \` ..\ Di Baker > __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, > jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney > _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: > ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm > `-----'`-----` `--` > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 05:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:35:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: praxis.net!chicago From: "Carole Pearson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.3367.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I also had a problem with this piece of mail. Luckily it happened to me in the middle of a work day so I could call my server and they managed to pull that message out of my mailbox. I am using Microsoft Internet Mail ver.4.70.1162. This is the first time I had had this problem. Carole ****I will not yell on the bus...I will not throw things on the bus...I will not get mad and hit anyone on the bus...I will not put my gum under the seat...I will always keep my eyes on the road, because I am the driver...I am the driver... I am the driver...**** ---------- > From: Carl Childers > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments > Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 12:27 AM > > I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email me, > and let me know what software you are using for email, I'll try to find a > common thread > > Jean wrote: > > > This has happened in the past, for one reason or another. Do any of you > > computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the > > future? > > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative > altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's > most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for > others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 06:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:09:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan9.23917.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that many of you are experiencing. I used 1/8 tip because I was able to get in those small areas of copper foil. I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8" tip and I really love it. No cooling and a nice even bead. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 06:39:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:38:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:41:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.2416.0> References: <<1998Jan9.21213.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Dawn, Don't give up on that Weller 100. Just a few thoughts that I have...... In my experience with the Weller 100s, they ARE sensitive to drops in current because they operate on a bimetal expansion principal. ie, they have to have full power in order to generate enough heat for the metals to expand and contract. They DO NOT work off of a rheostat because rheostats cut the current back to some percentage of the supplied current from the outlet. Extension cords are a problem ..... IF ..... they are very long (provides enough resistance in the cord to drop the current), or if they are small gauge wire (smaller than 14 gauge). One customer of mine had a similar problem with a Weller 100 in her basement, but it worked fine in my shop .... when we started talking about her set up, she said there were three extension cords (about 75 feet in total) that ran from an outlet to her bench. She removed the extension cords and her iron worked fine. Another thing to check is the circuit itself. If you're running lights, boom box, exhaust fans, beer cooler and every thing else off the same circuit, then there could be enough of a drain on that circuit to interfere with the Weller .... try to use it on a dedicated circuit, or at least beef the amperage up with a 20 or 30 amp breaker. The 700 degree tip should work fine for foil and lead, unless (like someone else suggested) you're trying to pull the bead too fast. The 800 degree tip works best for me on hard cames like zinc and brass or copper, and the 600 degree tip works well for decorative stuff where you want the solder to be more "pasty" than molten. Keep the iron clean and you shouldn't need any anti-seize compounds Seriously, I've had very good luck with the Wellers 100s, but the primary problem that I have seen is insufficient power to allow the iron function properly. Hope this helps. Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass Dawn wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does > not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the > tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > > I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 > degree tip? > > For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for > foil work? > > I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one). Will that affect > the power so much that the tip won't heat enough? > > Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the > Weller 100? > > Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work? The tip it came > with (3/8") seems way too wide. I'm usually using a 1/4" tip. > > Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary? Would a little WD-40 or > something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the > same thing? I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm > not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing > up. I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag. Would it be harmful to the > iron for any reason to be stored without the tip? Damage to the barrell? > > Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems. > Dawn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 07:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:09:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.5426.0> References: <<1998Jan9.162850.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joseph Arthurs wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has > experienced this phenomenon. When I am soldering, the solder bead sets > so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. > I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I > still get the same sort of bead. I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over > Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do > with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no > complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead > speed difference when I used my friend's iron. I haven't taken the iron > into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step. > > Anyone hear of this before? These Ungar solder irons sound interesting, > will take a look in my catalogs for prices. > > Thanks much as always, > > Sandy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sound's like too much flux, but i'm not sure. maybe the iron is running hotter than normal. the ungar is a very good iron, lightweight, and hot. the average price is between $35-50 or so. get the one that is one piece (the heater unit). they make a type that the tip is seperate from the heater. it's cheaper, but it does'nt heat up at all well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 07:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:16:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Happy New Year Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:10:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.51047.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Di Baker wrote: > > Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists! > > Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now working > on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little > . > > I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have > really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts > daily (((: > > So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there among > us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any > harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not > cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic. > > Thanks, > > Di > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > _ |\_ > \` ..\ Di Baker > __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, > jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney > _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: > ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm > `-----'`-----` `--` > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't think there would be. i would wash it thoughly, to remove possible flux, and mold releases. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 07:25:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:25:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.51950.0> References: <<1998Jan10.114021.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whispy Blu wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-10 00:10:49 EST, you write: > > << Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > > > IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with a rheostat is the ONLY way to > > go for foil work. >> > > Howard: If you have the time would you explain why? Thanks! Lu Ann > (Whispy Blu@aol.com) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when soldering you want a constant heat flow, you want the solder to stay a liquid as you work with it. all the other irons i've used could never do that. it stays a liquid at the imidiate site of the tip. the ungar will keep the first inch liquid making for smoother beads. it will also heat a cap much faster, making a better bond for the solder. i found it's the quickest iron to use for fast beads. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 07:31:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:30:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.5240.0> References: <<1998Jan9.23917.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dianne G. Maddison wrote: > > Hi All, > I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that > many of you are experiencing. I used 1/8 tip because I was able to get > in those small areas of copper foil. I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8" > tip and I really love it. No cooling and a nice even bead. > Dianne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass does your hakko tip have tinning all the way up? when i got mine, both tips were tinned only 1/4 of the way up. which means it's really bad at soldering. are all the tips like that? or are mine the unlucky ones... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 07:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:48:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan10.154810.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-10 00:59:39 EST, you write: > I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email me, > and let me know what software you are using for email, I'll try to find a > common thread > so what was in it? deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 08:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean " To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 & Rheostat Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:37:12 -0800 Message-ID: <199801101632.IAA12794@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been using a Weller 100 for about 3 yrs now. The tip has NEVER seized up (I don't use anything on it). I also use a 700 degree tip. My only problem is that it runs TOO hot. I have been toying with the idea of buying a rheastat but never get around to it. Now I wonder if I should or not. Jean ---------- > From: Paul Deutsch > Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:28 PM > > I have a question about putting the Weller 100 on a rheastat, I was taught > not to do that, the Weller 100 has an internal control and putting it on a > rheastat would burn it out. Has this changed? > Sherry > ----------- > > At 05:58 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Dawn wrote: > >> > >>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot > >> enough. > >>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 > >>degree tip? > ------------- > > Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a > >Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering > >problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for > >beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully. > > >Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 08:51:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:51:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Weller 100 & Rheostat Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:50:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan10.165011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-10 11:42:33 EST, you write: << I have been using a Weller 100 for about 3 yrs now. The tip has NEVER seized up (I don't use anything on it). I also use a 700 degree tip. My only problem is that it runs TOO hot. I have been toying with the idea of buying a rheastat but never get around to it. Now I wonder if I should or n >> I have used a rh-stat on mine, but the postings are making me think twice. I've done so for about 4 yrs. and mine is still working so.............I guess I'll keep reading the posts before I do it again. It also appears that I might need more than one iron. What I am learning on bungi!!! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 09:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:59:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!live4games From: "MiChea`l McClendon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hot Glass Horizons (was RE: where is it?) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:58:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.15843.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I'm running MS Internet Explorer 4.01, and the URL: http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz WORKED for me too! Suggestion?: type the URL in your browser, rather than clicking on the syntax. Otherwise...contact your Server, for help from your support techs, something may be amiss in your setup! regards, MiChea`l ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 10:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bradley Sconce Lighting mold Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:35:23 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.113523.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I just want to warn you.. Always check your pattern to the mold = and if applicable to your base for your finished product. Yesterday, I = was very excited to start cutting glass for my Bradley Sconce Light. I = had cut the pattern out and was just ready to chose the glass and glue = the pattern to it.. This is the few times I make anything for myself, = and was glad to replace that 1950 wall light in my hallway. I had = chosen the Iris pattern with a ribbon pattern and a border.. While = downstairs I decided to lay the pattern on the mold and see how the = base fitted to the bottom.. Well, to my astonishment, the base hid a = good inch of the bottom of the shade.. This meant that the border glass = would not be seen and in fact, part of the ribbon was also hid.. So = today I will be drawing out a new pattern.. I had hoped that I would = have been able to start foiling while I watched the Steelers football = game tomorrow, but atlas, I will not be able to foil, but glad I did not = have a finished lamp and than seen the problem..=20 To Howard, Thank you, I have been reading the archives and your directions on lamp = making is fantastic.. If any one is interested in making lamps, you = should read the archives.. Howard's help is great, and I just finished = the part when you received the title of Uncle.. Just for all your = thoughtfulness. Thank you.., Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 10:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:50:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1DCF.1D93C060" Subject: RE: bevel overlay Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:51:15 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.115115.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1DCF.1D93C060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux = between the pieces.. Is there a method you use.. Or maybe just a little = bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith = Studio, my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their = own bevels.. Glad to know this technique..=20 thanks up front, Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Michael Minchelli [SMTP:lsg@jerseycape.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 10:23 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bevel overlay You can cut the blue glass to match the size of the bevel. Then use = either 3/8" or 1/2" foil, hold the two pieces together and foil them as one = piece. I do it often myself. You can see some wonderful plating done by = Glassmith Studio's, their books are easily found. 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Mike, I think my tip is tinned all the way.. Never had a problem = with rot but I do need to clean pretty often, but, when working, it has = not failed to give a nice constant bead. -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:morn@nac.net] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 1998 1:24 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Dianne G. Maddison wrote: >=20 > Hi All, > I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that > many of you are experiencing. I used 1/8 tip because I was able to = get > in those small areas of copper foil. I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8" > tip and I really love it. No cooling and a nice even bead. > Dianne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass does your hakko tip have tinning all the way up? when i got mine, both tips were tinned only 1/4 of the way up. which means it's really bad at soldering. are all the tips like that? or are mine the unlucky ones...=20 ---Mike Savad --=20 Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1DCF.109555E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgEPAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAgAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNv bQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAEAAA AGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAASAAAAJ2dsYXNzQGJ1bmdp LmNvbScAAAACAQswAQAAABUAAABTTVRQOkdMQVNTQEJVTkdJLkNPTQAAAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoB AAAAHgD2XwEAAAAQAAAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAIB918BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1u AN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAADAP1fAQAA AAMA/18AAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAAnlJAQSAAQAPAAAAUkU6IFdlbGxlciAxMDAADQQBBYAD AA4AAADOBwEACgANABQAIgAGACkBASCAAwAOAAAAzgcBAAoADQARADYABgA6AQEJgAEAIQAAAEJC QzEwQzdEQkM4OUQxMTE4MjFGNDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAPYGAQOQBgAMCAAAIQAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAj AAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAA4c9L2x29AR4AcAABAAAA DwAAAFJFOiBXZWxsZXIgMTAwAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvR3bS799DMG9ibwR0YIfREVTVAAAAAAe AB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAEgAAADNob3VuZHNAdXNhb3IubmV0AAAAAwAGEJFp W2cDAAcQlQQAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAElBTFNPSEFWRVRIRUhBS0tPIlNVUEVSUFJPIjYwV0FUVElS T04jNDU2QU5ESUFMU09MT1ZFSVRNSUtFLElUSElOS01ZVElQSVNUSU5ORURBTExUSEVXQVlORVZF UkhBREFQUk8AAAAAAgEJEAEAAAD6BAAA9gQAABIIAABMWkZ1KXV3bncACgEDAfcgAqQD4wIAY4Jo CsBzZXQwIAcThwKDAFAO9nBycTIP9iZ9CoAIyCA7CW8yNWY1AoAKgXVjAFALA2MDAEELYG5nMTAz M08LpwqxCoQKgEkgB0BzBG8gD4B2ZSB0aCEXsEhha2sXYCJTJHVwBJAgUANgIiCSNg/gd2ECQCBp A2BBA6AgIzQ1NhcgbhxkIBcVCQAXoWl0LsIuBdBpa2UsGpEX0OELgGsgbXkXwAUgGaDzBCAcwG5u CYAXIQMgF9L9GWB5G4EHwBegBcAPgB2ByiARQG8CYGVtGVAbYMxoIANgBUBidQVAFxBaZBdgIB1g HXF0F2Bjrx+AA5ERQA/AdBygbwGAbwnwG/AgURvwdxfgA6B39QWwawuAZxvwG2AXcQQgOm4gIWYL cB+AISNnafcXoR8gAwBjF7AFoACAAZBnAjAgQCGQZC4WWgr0bHxpMxkwFQEWQSARBZB01RCEMRpA LSmSTwUQJTAObgdABdAHkHNhZ2U/KZMWViikFkMLMSimaS0YMTQ0AUAn8DE4MEcBQAzQLTNiIEYD YTq1DINiD+BNG5AGEHYe8cBbU01UUDoEYASgkkAqMGMuHWB0XRZVXy5gBmACMC7HBhB0CHBk6x4w G/BKAHB1CsAcoBWQIRvwMTk5ODOAOjJKNBjQTTEXVG8ux2ebC2AEEEAgUBVwaS4FoGJtMRh1Ymoo 0S7HUuBlOiBXZR2wGLEVkN8WRyu/KNIn9BXrRAcwHVFsIEcbkR7wZAQAGdF3NyiiLsAWYz4K4z4C SGnbD/AdsCw9xhcVdQ+wHwLfOJgkgAWxA4EcoHkhkA+gXx+0F9IqoAeAJIByQCB0+nIZcGkZ0RfQ GXA9xkGDHyJAQcAIYBcgCXAgZXjzGKEIkG5jI5EbkBqRQCOcMS80ABzCJoBjYUAh/xqRGWAEIAGg H4Ak8w/APcbrC4AXwW9HwXMAwB2xRVH3JCFE4QWgcBiiAhADEEZT/yRQB+BHsh8gGBQaIh/DRvH+ Ij3GHMIaZEqBHbAcoBsW9RnwTiFRbwbwI5EaUyWF/x6RA6AmiT4gPDQ9xir4PiD6RgWxczdgBPRD kg9xFXD/B5Ab8AtQSpEXsADAAxEhQOs4cDXTLQlwcQpQJiA2Lv8+IDUgQrAJ8CEjF9In8CYg/xvw WfNVzzXvPfMHEA9wJUF/SDEvoAMQSFMZcAMwFRJ1BQMgaAJAcDovL3f1XxAuNjcvW1MoQ15wFkv/ FlQgsAeRRREewhgyHMIXhM8dQVBzHbhAEHA/IvQ+0PpnICFtC4Ab4QbgF9AWVP8cwUIRBJBjVB1x AiBPMUbw/zRQROFkOBuQIwAlsB/wB4DbBiIbYCcEIE71Yh7yRAX9F1BsBIFGI0VSHaZmoyfw/xvQ Q8Nk0AWxRVJlohfDNkDZCkBjayIhHWBzG4AbkP8WWimRG7IvdG/sPjUbsmoR7lMBkGWxGoBHYAMW ZF4/ei4qwG9GEBzAb4FfslDzCsAEAC8xLTAAUGBbB7O/dnBVcQ/wPPAJgDhwTx6i/y1QIOEH4CYh c2NbU1mRHGDvVZEHYGbAOHBITBFYsQZgVQVAVRzgQRZUU0nAcPsb8BpiTRygHvBRcTKRB5H/Qjc+ 8EXhb5BwRyslVC9VP/9WT1dfFoFYv1nPWt82alzPX13fXu9f/2EMEgEAjhAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAR EAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzAgcnns2h29AUAACDAgcnns2h29AQsAAYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABG AAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAOACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAB4ABIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADgu MAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAAsABoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA AA6FAAAAAAAAAwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAAiACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4ACYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAe AAqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgALgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AAA1FQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1DCF.109555E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 11:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:23:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:21:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan10.192147.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, sorry no laymens answer forthcoming from this end.....I was just hoping they don't ask you what state of matter glass falls into.....things get real tricky there.... Good luck....I am also looking forward to the answer... Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 11:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!live4games From: "MiChea`l McClendon" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: E-mail from MiChea`l !!! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:31:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.33133.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BD1DBB.4E0B5FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Readers of "The List"; I contacted my Technical support@worldnet.att.com about "bombing" = or Messing-up a lot of your e-mail programs! The problem was, I had "HTML" set in sending mail, rather than "Plain = Text". HTML tells downloaders, that a "Attachment" (like pic's or files) is = just that, which was messing-up some of your systems. For this, PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES! I haven't been "computing" as long as my husband, and was Unaware of a = lot of SETTINGS in here (my computer). Thanks again, and for all the responses.=20 If any of you are still having problems in this area, AT&T (whether = you're with them or not), say's to contact THEM, so they can check to = see if the problem is at THEIR location. Kindest regards, MiChea`l McClendon. (Spokane, WA) live4games@worldnet.att.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BD1DBB.4E0B5FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Readers of = "The=20 List";
    I = contacted my=20 Technical support@worldnet.att.com = about=20 "bombing" or Messing-up a lot of your e-mail = programs!
The problem was, I had "HTML" = set in=20 sending mail, rather than "Plain Text".
HTML tells downloaders, that a=20 "Attachment" (like pic's or files) is just that, which was = messing-up=20 some of your systems.
For this, PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE=20 APOLOGIES!
 
I haven't been "computing" as = long as my=20 husband, and was Unaware of a lot of SETTINGS in here (my=20 computer).
Thanks again, and for all the = responses.=20
 
If any of you are still having problems = in this=20 area, AT&T  (whether you're with them or not), say's to contact = THEM,=20 so they can check to see if the problem is at THEIR = location.
 
Kindest regards, MiChea`l McClendon. = (Spokane,=20 WA)
live4games@worldnet.att.net=20
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BD1DBB.4E0B5FA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 12:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:45:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:47:12 -0600 Message-ID: <199801102051.OAA25384@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my messages. I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then delete the offending message. This wastes a lot of time! What is causing this? Both messages have come from Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at I have noticed others are having similar problems. I have not experienced this before. What can be done? Dale $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The Banker's House Home of the Buffalo Gang "It is better to spend money like there is no tomorrow, Than to spend tonight like there is no money!" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 12:49:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:49:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Bradley Sconce Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:50:50 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.135050.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It is me again... I have to admit this.. Bradley did not make a designer = error.. I guess a full week of work and being tired, looking at it at = midnight, I had a sight error.. Their design is great.. Now, I need help with the attachments.. The way I am looking at it, I will have a finish lamp base/sconce, the = Wall sconce Electrical wiring kit ( includes brass reinforcement wall = brackets, but the main piece is a Hanley Industries almost triangle = backing which is plastic) and the Wall Sconce Base (cat.#/WSB10 ), has = anyone ever assembles one of these and could you please give me = instructions.. Yes, I will have an electrician for the final = installation but I need to give him a finished /assembled product for = hanging..=20 Thanks in advance, Gloria From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 12:57:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheba" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:03:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199801102100.QAA15497@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mine crashed with the second msg from Micheal McClendon also. Not sure what is causing this problem....but it is a pain I agree. This second msg. was an apolgy about crashing everyones emails. Hopefully they will get it fixed on their end. Sheila ---------- | From: The Banker's House | To: Bungi | Subject: Sick of Crashing! | Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 3:47 PM | | For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my | messages. I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then | delete the offending message. This wastes a lot of time! What is causing | this? Both messages have come from | | Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at | | | I have noticed others are having similar problems. I have not experienced | this before. What can be done? | | Dale | | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | The Banker's House | Home of the Buffalo Gang | "It is better to spend money like there is no tomorrow, | Than to spend tonight like there is no money!" | | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 13:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:05:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.11513.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the two pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as I would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no cracks or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck. Michael ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 13:38:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:37:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:34:48, -0500 Message-ID: <199801102134.QAA18728@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani greer writes: Thanks for the reply, Gary, but I want to know WHY. What is happening on a chemical level? What is it about flux that does all these things, why can't I use some- thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that matter!) Why do the same character- istics you describe apply to both copper foil and lead? Why can't I "clean" my lead with a steel brush and have the solder adhere without flux? It's more than just how clean the metal is. There's a chemical reaction that occurs and I'd like to get an understandable explanation if that's possible. = Best regards, Dani Greer Bob says go to: http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html You will find a better explaintion than I can give. I would not be surprised if butter made a good flux. I know that beef fat (and others) makes a great flux except for the stink. I get the idea that flux does three things. 1. Cleans the area to be soldered. 2. Prevents oxidation of the area after cleaning and before soldering. 3. Acts as a wetting agent between the solder and material to be soldered. Lightly fluxed, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 13:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:58:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:57:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan10.215720.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk LOL I have to tell you this one I guess I never opened his mail cause Live4games looked like an x-rated site name(I usually delete without even opening) and I'm always getting that kind of junk mail sorry Michael deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 14:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:09:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: <199801102211.RAA02913@sleepy.ebtech.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > Several times I have also had my computer lock up when receiving Bungi mail (on Microsoft Internet Explorer) My service provider suggested I also use Pegasus Mail which I do. Now when I get to one of the messages that lock, I simply load the rest on Pegasus. For some reason it always works.. If you can't find access to Pegasus contact me at proffire@ebtech.net and I will try to download info to you. Doug Scale Change is inevitable, except form vending machines. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 14:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:20:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:20:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.6204.0> References: <<199801102134.QAA18728@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > Bob says go to: > > http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html I couldn't get this kept getting URL Not Found. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 14:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gateway.net!kbretz From: "kbretz" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199801102242.QAA26154@server2.wans.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 14:44:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:44:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Stained glass workshops, etc. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We just added a bunch of new, upcoming workshops to the events section of stainedglassbiz.com ... and we've made it easier to access and use, too. Until now, you had to wait'n'wait'n'wait while the *whole *year! downloaded to your screen. Now you just select which month of the upcoming year you'd like to know about and the info comes onto your screen much more quickly. Go http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Events" ... or click on events on our home page, the URL is below. When will we fix it so you can just look for the *type of glass workshop you want ... say beadmaking workshops in March? Soon. Albert Lewis, ExecDir ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 14:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: New Site Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199801102254.RAA01032@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all ! A friend of mine sent me this site that she found while browsing. It has some stain glass to look at. Thought some of the stuff was really nice....it was worth looking at. http://www.ila.com/index2.htm Enjoy, Sheila (another Lurker) Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 15:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean " To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:10:38 -0800 Message-ID: <199801102305.PAA29115@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk my mail is jammed again! I will bet there is a message from MiChaell that came in immediately following this one. ---------- From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: RE: bevel overlay Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:51 AM Michael, I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux between the pieces.. Is there a method you use.. Or maybe just a little bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith Studio, my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their own bevels.. Glad to know this technique.. thanks up front, Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 15:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass workshops, etc. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:29:12 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Go http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Events" ... or > click on events on our home page, the URL is below. Sorry, I was *sure I'd added my address slug. Let's try that again. Albert International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 15:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:52:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!bobnkate From: "McDaniel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stuck mail Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:01:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199801102352.SAA14413@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For the second time in what, two days, my mail (inbound) is stuck. If I find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time--I will have to unsu*b. You can't answer me now, but be warned that it is happening again. Dr. Bob and The Loom Rat bobnkate@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 16:11:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:10:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:07:05, -0500 Message-ID: <199801110007.TAA12022@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Bob says go to: > > http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html I couldn't get this kept getting URL Not Found. I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case sensitive and this may well be one of them. Bob, who only knows a little about computers and less about browsers. ____ Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 16:41:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stuck mail (let's forgive) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If I find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time-- > I will have to unsu*b. I said a similar thing to my cardiologist last time I saw him. "If I find that modern life with its stresses and strains is having an effect on my heart, I'll have to commit suicide." Be patient, Bob. He's already apologized and has fixed the problem after working laboriously, furiously and shame-facedly (if that's a word) to "amend his ways." It was a mistake. He's human; so are we all. This email/internet stuff can be confusing, even to me, and I'm even semi-literate in computer stuff. Albert P.S. Isn't it funny how quickly all of us have come to not only demand, but *depend on email and the internet? Two ... three years ago, how many of us had ever even *heard of the thing? - A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 16:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:51:31 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom > get what you don't pay for.) I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. Good'un. True, too. Why is it, Bob, that every time I download email yours is the first message in the list? Always! Must be karma or something. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 16:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.144727.0> References: <<199801102051.OAA25384@ns.ictc.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer cannot (for whatever reason). You can switch back and forth, so I would advise going out to the internet and downloading it (sorry, I can't tell you where I have seen it for free as a download, but I know it is there - I actually owned the disk so I installed from that). Zane The Banker's House wrote: > > For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my > messages. I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then > delete the offending message. This wastes a lot of time! What is causing > this? Both messages have come from > > Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at > > > I have noticed others are having similar problems. I have not experienced > this before. What can be done? > > Dale > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > The Banker's House > Home of the Buffalo Gang > "It is better to spend money like there is no tomorrow, > Than to spend tonight like there is no money!" > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 16:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:49:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.84842.0> References: <<199801110007.TAA12022@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library > and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case > sensitive and this may well be one of them. > Thank you, it was my fault. I didn't see the capital L when I was putting in on my other server so I could bookmark it. I have very little perception of distance and direction, Guess I can add web addresses to that list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 17:52:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:49:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hot Glass Horizons (was RE: where is it?) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:42:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan11.1421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I went to Hot Glass Horizons in Corning last year for the first time and this is what I have to say about it.... If you enjoy having instructors who are nationally recognized, are a blast to hang out with; oh, and by the way the classes are very good also....then I say if you can swing it financially, by all means GO! Never before have I felt so at home with such a large group of people. In fact, in their flyer they printed a quote from me (Corny.) Something I wrote on a commentary we had to fill out. It's expensive, but a good place for networking and making glass friends. Theresa Schember ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 18:18:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:18:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean Norenberg" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: <199801110213.SAA09879@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dale (bankers@ictc.com), it worked, thanks for the suggestion. Took up most of the afternoon to get it all figured out, but it's done. After crashing again (with msg from Michae'l McClenden) I went to Yahoo mail, got an address there and had my mail from this address picked up there, that cleared MiChae'ls' message from here and I'm back in business. Thx again Dale. Sure beats having to call the provider and tell them, 'Help, I did it again'! MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to spend the afternoon! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 18:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: B Norman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-mail from MiChea`l !!! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:24:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan10.102454.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MiChea'l, why do your messages come thru with attachements? I, as a matter of course, delete all message attachements from unknown names. Can you, perhaps, restructure your messages? ---MiChea`l McClendon wrote: ATTACHMENT _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 18:37:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:36:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: B Norman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New Site Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan10.103614.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks, Sheila, for sharing a good site. Bonnie (yet another Lurker) -------------------- ---Sheila wrote: > > Hi all ! > A friend of mine sent me this site that she found while browsing. It has some stain glass to > look at. Thought some of the stuff was really nice....it was worth looking at. > http://www.ila.com/index2.htm > > Enjoy, > Sheila (another Lurker) > Ohio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 19:37:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:49:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.84842.0> References: <<199801110007.TAA12022@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library > and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case > sensitive and this may well be one of them. > Thank you, it was my fault. I didn't see the capital L when I was putting in on my other server so I could bookmark it. I have very little perception of distance and direction, Guess I can add web addresses to that list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 19:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stuck mail (let's forgive) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If I find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time-- > I will have to unsu*b. I said a similar thing to my cardiologist last time I saw him. "If I find that modern life with its stresses and strains is having an effect on my heart, I'll have to commit suicide." Be patient, Bob. He's already apologized and has fixed the problem after working laboriously, furiously and shame-facedly (if that's a word) to "amend his ways." It was a mistake. He's human; so are we all. This email/internet stuff can be confusing, even to me, and I'm even semi-literate in computer stuff. Albert P.S. Isn't it funny how quickly all of us have come to not only demand, but *depend on email and the internet? Two ... three years ago, how many of us had ever even *heard of the thing? - A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 20:01:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:51:31 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom > get what you don't pay for.) I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. Good'un. True, too. Why is it, Bob, that every time I download email yours is the first message in the list? Always! Must be karma or something. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 20:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane Cimera To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.144727.0> References: <<199801102051.OAA25384@ns.ictc.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer cannot (for whatever reason). You can switch back and forth, so I would advise going out to the internet and downloading it (sorry, I can't tell you where I have seen it for free as a download, but I know it is there - I actually owned the disk so I installed from that). Zane The Banker's House wrote: > > For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my > messages. I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then > delete the offending message. This wastes a lot of time! What is causing > this? Both messages have come from > > Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at > > > I have noticed others are having similar problems. I have not experienced > this before. What can be done? > > Dale > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > The Banker's House > Home of the Buffalo Gang > "It is better to spend money like there is no tomorrow, > Than to spend tonight like there is no money!" > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 20:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:33:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 23:34:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199801110432.XAA25171@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote: >> (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom >> get what you don't pay for.) > >I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. >Good'un. True, too. Hey Albert, today all your E-Mail is coming through twice! Guess today I'm getting double what I'm not paying for! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 21:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:17:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Free Netscape Download Areas Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:19:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.171913.0> References: <<1998Jan10.144727.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Been reading the messages about e-mails crashing your systems. I haven't had any problems and I only use Netscape for my e-mail. Here are two links for free downloads...the first one is for Netscape Communicator http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow and the second one is for Netscape Gold http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow Netscape Communicator is the newest and "fanciest" and I don't have much experience at it, but I've installed it on my folks computer and they're happy with it. I've been using Netscape Gold for the last couple of years and like it just fine. Just thought I'd help with locating the page for the free downloads!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 22:18:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:18:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:05:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.2057.0> References: <<1998Jan9.21213.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just to add to the confusion here are my experiences with the Weller 100w iron. (For years my only iron was a Sears 200W iron, and prior to that a Hexacon 250w. Note the trend here......It's not that I wouldn't rather be using the big guns, but my arm likes the smaller irons much better....Although I must confess that for the big stuff I still go with a larger iron.) 1) I think that it can provide as much heat as the Weller 80w when used with the hotter tips. 2) As far as things seizing, I've had all kinds of things seize on them. The collar that holds the tip has seized twice, but now I use anti seize. More interestingly, I had one of the tips expand at the bottom around the bottom of the bi-metalic plug so that I almost couldn't get it out of the iron without destroying the iron. (This was not dirt or oxides, the tip actually expanded.) 3) I do use a temperature control with them for operations like edge beading that require less heat, but I never use a rheostat type control. All of our temperature controls are of the same type as the Glastar control, which cycles the current on and off periodically, rather than cutting the voltage. 4)Years ago I read an article that said that rheostat type temperature controls damage heating elements, and at the time it all made sense to me, but to tell the truth, I don't remember why. (There are other reasons I prefer the cycling type controls.) 5)More than once I have forgotten to turn my Weller 100 off overnight and any other iron would have burned up the tip. 6) Sometimes when you have heat supply problems you need to carefully inspect your iron tip. (This applies to any iron.) If there is a pinhole in the plating, the copper core may be disolving away as you work. The steel jacket of the tip is not able to supply enough heat if the copper is gone and the tip is hollow. 7) I pretty much always use a wide tip. If you use a small tip it can't conduct heat to the work fast enough. Think of it as a hose for heat. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio designs On Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:02:13 PST Dawn writes: >Hello everyone, > >I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being >hot > enough. Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does >not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag >the >tip, which is causing a wavy effect. > >I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip. Should I try the 800 >degree tip? > >For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for > >foil work? > >I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one). Will that >affect >the power so much that the tip won't heat enough? > >Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the > >Weller 100? > >Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work? The tip it >came >with (3/8") seems way too wide. I'm usually using a 1/4" tip. > >Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary? Would a little WD-40 or >something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do >the >same thing? I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm >not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it >freezing >up. I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag. Would it be harmful to >the >iron for any reason to be stored without the tip? Damage to the >barrell? > >Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems. >Dawn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 22:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:18:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.19435.0> References: <<1998Jan9.20315.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani, If you don't mind a bit of speculation here I'll tell you what I THINK I MAY know.... or something like that. Firstly every flux I have ever seen is based on zinc chloride, the chemical formula is ZnCl. You can make pure ZnCl yourself. Just buy a bottle of Muriatic acid at the hardware store. Muriatic acid is used to clean all kinds of stuff including concrete and is really just a dilute form of Hydrochloric acid (HCl). Drop a chunk of zinc came into the acid and wait. (NEVER do this without loosening the cap on the bottle.)The Zinc will fizz like Alka-Seltzer. In time the Muriatic acid will change from its' original yellow color to clear or white. (If you added enough zinc, that is.) You now have zinc chloride. Now if I remember my chemistry, I think it's a salt at this point. To get into the area of pure speculation, I have noticed that as a bottle of tinned acid, (that's what you call acid with zinc already disolved in it) sits on a shelf, it turns back yellow in time and you need to add more zinc to neutralize it again. The laws of conservation of matter say that the original zinc must still be there, but it now can disolve more. I don't know if there is some kind of buffering effect going on here or what, but I think the implication is that even though it should be neutral, perhaps flux is still acidic and therefore the cleaning is accomplished by the acid. (If you like to play and don't mind breaking a few laws, scratch a hole through the copper skin of a recent vintage penny to expose the zinc inside. Drop it into the acid and the inside will disolve, leaving you a penny skin.) As far as why cleaning by abraisive physical means does not work as well, I think it is largely because no cleaning cloth can get to all the places , on a molecular level that the flux can reach. Kind of between molecules and into microscopic pores and all that. Pure zinc chloride alone is not a great flux. It spits and sputters excessively boils off and dries rapidly and is generally not well behaved, although some people use it and others sell it. If you wantflux to do it's best it must remain wet. The next ingrediewnt you need to make a good flux is something that doesn't dry up.....I may be using the wrong term here, but I'll call it a wetting agent. Paste flux uses a petroleum jelly like product as the wetting agent, and while it is probably the best at it's job, in my opinion it is not worth the difficulties that are involved in trying to remove it. The next best wetting agent I know of is glycerin. In fact the best flux you could ever want can be mixed up using just these ingredients. One part tinned Muriatic to seven parts glycerin. That's it! Easy to solder with and easy to clean off. The only drawback is that it is a bit smoky and you need ventilation. I used it for years until I lost my source for industrial grade glycerin and the pharmaceutical grade stuff is just too expensive. It is important that it stay wet because hot solder and copper oxidize rapidly in air. You can watch a hot iron turn colors right before your eyes. If everything is wet it is not exposed to the oxygen in the air that would cause freshly cleaned copper foil to oxidize before solder could even bond to it. (No I have never tried abraisive cleaning followed by the wetting agent alone, but it would be a worthy experiment.) I'm starting to loose track of where I'm going here, but hope some of this makes sense. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:03:15 -0500 "Michael J. Greer" writes: >Thanks for the reply, Gary, but >I want to know WHY. What is >happening on a chemical level? >What is it about flux that does all >these things, why can't I use some- >thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that >matter!) Why do the same character- >istics you describe apply to both >copper foil and lead? Why can't >I "clean" my lead with a steel brush >and have the solder adhere without >flux? It's more than just how clean >the metal is. There's a chemical >reaction that occurs and I'd like to >get an understandable explanation >if that's possible. = > > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 10 23:00:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:59:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:56:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.175634.0> References: <<1998Jan9.20315.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Gary, but > I want to know WHY. What is > happening on a chemical level? > What is it about flux that does all > these things, why can't I use some- > thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that > matter!) Why do the same character- > istics you describe apply to both > copper foil and lead? Why can't > I "clean" my lead with a steel brush > and have the solder adhere without > flux? It's more than just how clean > the metal is. There's a chemical > reaction that occurs and I'd like to > get an understandable explanation > if that's possible. = > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = > > ---- Dear Dani, Here's what I can give you on the subjest, although oversimplified: "Flux is a substance usually with an acidic base which is used in soldering, brazing, and welding to promote fusion of the metals. The acid in the composition of the flux will react with the lead or foil to clean them and free them from oxides so that the fusion fo the different metals can occur. Flux will also change the rate of transfer of particles across the surface of the metals. This is what it causes the phenomenon which Gary describes as a "reduction of surface tension on the molten solder." The dictionary definition for this is "FLUX - (Physics) The rate of flow of any fluid across a given area; (Metal) Any substance that is mixed with a metal, etc. to facilitate its fusion; also a substance used to render colours fusible in enameling and the colouring of porcelain & glass." [excerpted from the "Shorter Oxford English Dictionary", p723.] If you require a more explicit description I would suggest a high school physics teacher or college physics student perhaps could do it better justice? Hope this helps a bit anyhow... Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island, NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 00:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:59:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:56:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan10.175634.0> References: <<1998Jan9.20315.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Gary, but > I want to know WHY. What is > happening on a chemical level? > What is it about flux that does all > these things, why can't I use some- > thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that > matter!) Why do the same character- > istics you describe apply to both > copper foil and lead? Why can't > I "clean" my lead with a steel brush > and have the solder adhere without > flux? It's more than just how clean > the metal is. There's a chemical > reaction that occurs and I'd like to > get an understandable explanation > if that's possible. = > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = > > ---- Dear Dani, Here's what I can give you on the subjest, although oversimplified: "Flux is a substance usually with an acidic base which is used in soldering, brazing, and welding to promote fusion of the metals. The acid in the composition of the flux will react with the lead or foil to clean them and free them from oxides so that the fusion fo the different metals can occur. Flux will also change the rate of transfer of particles across the surface of the metals. This is what it causes the phenomenon which Gary describes as a "reduction of surface tension on the molten solder." The dictionary definition for this is "FLUX - (Physics) The rate of flow of any fluid across a given area; (Metal) Any substance that is mixed with a metal, etc. to facilitate its fusion; also a substance used to render colours fusible in enameling and the colouring of porcelain & glass." [excerpted from the "Shorter Oxford English Dictionary", p723.] If you require a more explicit description I would suggest a high school physics teacher or college physics student perhaps could do it better justice? Hope this helps a bit anyhow... Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island, NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 02:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hey Albert, today all your E-Mail is coming through twice! > Guess today I'm getting double what I'm not paying for! I'm only sending it once, so there must be a hitch in the net's gitalong. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 02:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added > Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer > cannot (for whatever reason). Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 04:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:07:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:07:48 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan11.12748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Zane, Is the hexagon hatchet iron heavy? or heavier than the standard iron? I am interested in purchasing one, but do not want any added weight. Thanking you in advance. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 05:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:50:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:54:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199801110818.CAA21032@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to > spend the afternoon! There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages causing a system crash. Seems the problem lies not with Mr. McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem. To date, I've had no difficulty reading his mail. It seems that most of those experiencing the problems are using a Web Browser to read e-mail (Netscape and Internet Explorer) rather than a mail reader. This may be the problem, not the originator of the message. If any of you who are having problems reading or receiving e-mail, please feel free to contact me and I'll see if we can work it out. Asking someone to refrain from giving input because 4 or 5 people can't filter and/or translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to contribute to the conversations on the list. MiChae'l, please keep contributing! We will work out the bugs in those programs. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 06:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:01:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:05:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199801110828.CAA21048@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a > lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. > > Albert Pegasus Mail is free, too. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 06:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: bevel overlay Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.35630.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: glass@bungi.com > To: Lsg > Subject: Re: bevel overlay > Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 4:32 PM > > > Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the two > pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm > not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as I > would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no cracks > or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck. > Michael > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 06:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: the globe Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.45336.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i don't know how many of you vistited the stained glass biz lately, but htey have a link to some guy who built this globe http://www.enol.com/~bbassett/globe/globepix.htm check it out. this is definetly somthing you have to do with a grinder and foil. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 07:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Jan11.51510.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Albert Lewis wrote: > > > The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added > > Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer > > cannot (for whatever reason). > > Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a > lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. > > Albert > Or, sometimes you've got too many bells and whistles. I get all those posts just fine with my Unix C shell account reading with PINE. You can't get any cheaper than this text-only system. Right, Shirley? (one of our resident ISPs who should be teased into making a statement right about now) Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 07:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:54:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:02:01 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Or, sometimes you've got too many bells and whistles. I get all those > posts just fine with my Unix C shell account reading with PINE. You can't > get any cheaper than this text-only system. Yeah, I still use Tapcis for Compuserve messaging. It's lightning fast and who needs all those graphics and sounds anyway? I go onto CIS to get info and info is what I get! A single keystroke gets all my messages, the headers from other messages that may be of interest to me, sends any outbound messages to the proper forums and logs the heck off! I love it. The CIS icon's sitting on my desktop, but I never, ever (well, hardly ever) use it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 07:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:54:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sick of Crashing! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Pegasus Mail is free, too. Isn't it shareware? Which (to me) means if you decide to keep it and use it, you should pay for it? Seems to me that I paid for mine, but maybe I'm thinking of some other software; I quite often try then buy. Oh, you're right. I went to download.com just to check. It's free. Okay, some things are worth more than what you pay for them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:11:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:11:34 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Crash Cleared Again!" on Jan 11, 7:54, "Don McDonald" writes:] > > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until > > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to > > spend the afternoon! > > There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages > causing a system crash. Seems the problem lies not with Mr. > McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem. To date, > translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to > contribute to the conversations on the list. > > MiChae'l, please keep contributing! We will work out the bugs in > those programs. Just to let you all know,...she has unsubscribed and is deeply hurt by the attitude of some people on this list. Please let's try to be a bit more considerate. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:12:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD1E82.39D6C480" Subject: RE: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:44:29 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.84429.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD1E82.39D6C480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not crashed. But I have not tried to open any of his messages.. Is the crash occurring when you try to open his message. Thanks Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Jean Norenberg [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:19 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Crash Cleared Again! Dale (bankers@ictc.com), it worked, thanks for the suggestion. Took up most of the afternoon to get it all figured out, but it's done. After crashing again (with msg from Michae'l McClenden) I went to Yahoo mail, got an address there and had my mail from this address picked up there, that cleared MiChae'ls' message from here and I'm back in business. Thx again Dale. Sure beats having to call the provider and tell them, 'Help, I did it again'! MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! 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(I typed Michael in my = header, it could have been MiChael, did not save the message I replied = to.. Trying to keep my mail uncluttered)..=20 Hope you are okay, I see no attachments to my reply to you. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Jean [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 1998 9:11 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bevel overlay my mail is jammed again! I will bet there is a message from MiChaell = that came in immediately following this one. ---------- From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: RE: bevel overlay Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:51 AM Michael, I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux between the pieces.. Is there a method you use.. Or maybe just a little bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith = Studio, my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their own bevels.. 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Does the 1/2 come only in a copper backings.. Is so, does it show with the bevels in the final piece if you are patining it in black.. Thanks Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Michael Minchelli [SMTP:lsg@jerseycape.com] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:05 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bevel overlay Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the two pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as I would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no cracks or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck. 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After carefully fluxing, soldering, cleaning and drying, my black patina looks mottled brown or gray. What's wrong? Would appreciate any help. Was recommended to subscribe to this list and since Friday I've become addicted to it. It's really interesting to read about what everyone has to say. Have learned several interesting things. This is a veritable "gold mine" of information. Will pass this on to my daughter and sister who also do glass. I also use Netscape and have had no problem receiving mail. Thanks for your help, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:35:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <199801111632.LAA02880@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary, You didn't add to the confusion, you made some points very clear that I think people are not aware of (restrictive rheostats vs. those which cycle power). Thank you for passing on your knowledge. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:39:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:39:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!geneowens From: Bunglas To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fwd: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:38:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan11.03848.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > ---Don McDonald wrote: > > > > > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to > Bungi until > > > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! > > > > There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l >McClenden's > messages > Don, go back and check your mail again. There have been far more than ". . . 4 or 5 posts......."! And, I suspect that if everyone who has had the problem were to write in we would find more than we could imagine! > > >. . . especially when that person has attempted to > > contribute to the conversations on the list. > > > > Don M. McDonald > > Web Design > > Corporate Communications Technology Which is what we are all TRYING to do, "contribute to the list". It is unfortunate that we are being prevented from doing this by ONE persons mail program. Is it really fair to ask a dozen people to change mail programs when only ONE persons messages are causing this trouble? I find it offensive that a couple of you (who take this crashing so non-challantly) are critical of those of us who have had to spend hours (in some cases entire days!) with a crashed system! We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system down for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on resolving the problem. I have now set up a mail account with YahooMail (FREE) just for my Bungi mail. I do not choose to change my mail program because of one person (I like what I have!), I want to continue the Bungi relationship, and I do NOT want to spend another day untangling these problems. If anyone out there has a better solution, please share it with the group. We appear to need help! Bonnie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:43:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199801111640.LAA17149@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have you ever used a barrel cutter vs. a pistol grip? The Hexacon iron is heavier but it doesn't feel heavier - it just feels "different" the same way a pistol grip cutter feels different from a barrel cutter. I don't know what part of the country you are from, but if you have several retailers I would call them and find out if any either carry the Hexacon or have one that they use and find out if you can try it. It is a larger outlay of money, but I think it is worth it (but I'm prejudiced, of course, since we do a lot of commission work and the savings in time [beading] and because it is a steady heat iron make it invaluable). Regardless, I would definitely try it out first prior to purchasing - we have some people who just don't like changing from whatever they were trained on and the Hexacon does take some getting used to before it feesl comfortable. ---------- > From: Yegnim > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Weller 100 > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 7:07 AM > > Zane, > Is the hexagon hatchet iron heavy? or heavier than the standard iron? I am > interested in purchasing one, but do not want any added weight. Thanking you > in advance. > Lenore > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:49:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:48:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!tcraft From: "Tom Craft" To: Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:51:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.25110.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Arthurs To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Weller 100 >Hi everyone, > >I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has >experienced this phenomenon. When I am soldering, the solder bead sets >so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. >I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I >still get the same sort of bead. I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over >Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do >with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no >complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead >speed difference when I used my friend's iron If the iron is not hot enough it can cause the flux to boil instead of being burnt off. What you may be seeing are craters formed by the flux vapor trying to escape. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:51:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:50:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Ugly patina Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199801111648.LAA19996@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary Dodge probably has the answer but in the meantime, three possibilities are as follows: 1. A certain manufacturer of inexpensive patina recently messed up a batch and shipped it anyway. Their old batch works fine, but the new batch is "weaker" and is giving us fits. 2. Did you use 60/40 or 50/50? 60/40 should patina up better since there is more tin in the mix 3. I assume your project was spotlessly cleaned, but if not or if still damp in areas, that can be a problem. ---------- > From: Lyn Butler > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Ugly patina > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 5:21 AM > > New kid on the block here-- Got a problem with my patina. After > carefully fluxing, soldering, cleaning and drying, my black patina looks > mottled brown or gray. What's wrong? Would appreciate any help. > > Was recommended to subscribe to this list and since Friday I've become > addicted to it. It's really interesting to read about what everyone has > to say. Have learned several interesting things. This is a veritable > "gold mine" of information. Will pass this on to my daughter and sister > who also do glass. > > I also use Netscape and have had no problem receiving mail. > > Thanks for your help, > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 08:59:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean Norenberg" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:59:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199801111654.IAA05856@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gloria, No, the crash occurs when the message becomes stuck upon trying to download (or retrieve) mail. It hangs up in the system and nothing can get thru. Note: MiChea'l is a 'her' not a 'him', a mistake we are all making. ---------- > From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> > To: 'glass@bungi.com' > Subject: RE: Crash Cleared Again! > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 4:44 AM > > > > I have not crashed. But I have not tried to open any of his messages.. Is the crash occurring when you try to open his message. > Thanks > Gloria > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Norenberg [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:19 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Crash Cleared Again! > > > Dale (bankers@ictc.com), it worked, thanks for the suggestion. Took up > most of the afternoon to get it all figured out, but it's done. After > crashing again (with msg from MiChae'l McClenden) I went to Yahoo mail, got > an address there and had my mail from this address picked up there, that > cleared MiChae'ls' message from here and I'm back in business. Thx again > Dale. Sure beats having to call the provider and tell them, 'Help, I did it > again'! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 09:07:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:07:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!tginevra From: Teri Ginevra To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:06:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan11.1635.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, I am with you. I have recently subscribed and find the input invaluable. I think some people have been quite nasty regarding this issue. I am not very computer literal and wouldn't like it to happen to me. T Ginevra ---Glenna Rand wrote: > > [In the message entitled "Re: Crash Cleared Again!" on Jan 11, 7:54, "Don McDonald" writes:] > > > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until > > > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to > > > spend the afternoon! > > > > There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages > > causing a system crash. Seems the problem lies not with Mr. > > McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem. To date, > > > translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to > > contribute to the conversations on the list. > > > > MiChae'l, please keep contributing! We will work out the bugs in > > those programs. > > Just to let you all know,...she has unsubscribed and is deeply hurt > by the attitude of some people on this list. Please let's try to be > a bit more considerate. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 11:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:37:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ecentral.com!glass1 From: "Diane Schell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Crashed computers Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:33:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199801111943.MAA21968@preytor.ecentral.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I did not know the problem was coming from here, but both of my computers mail crashed twice in the last few days. I was using internet explorer. Hopefully, these last messages will help my server or my computer repair person solve the problem. Diane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 11:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:49:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan11.194947.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS GROUP. Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 12:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:24:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Free Netscape Download Areas Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199801112027.PAA19546@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the site downloads. I intend to d/l Netscape sometime this week. Sheila Ohio ---------- | From: Northernlights | To: glass@bungi.com | Subject: Free Netscape Download Areas | Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:19 AM | | Been reading the messages about e-mails crashing your systems. I | haven't had any problems and I only use Netscape for my e-mail. Here | are two links for free downloads...the first one is for Netscape | Communicator http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow | and the second one is for Netscape Gold | http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow | | Netscape Communicator is the newest and "fanciest" and I don't have much | experience at it, but I've installed it on my folks computer and they're | happy with it. I've been using Netscape Gold for the last couple of | years and like it just fine. | | Just thought I'd help with locating the page for the free downloads!!! | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 12:38:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:37:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean Norenberg" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Welcome Back MiChea'l Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199801112033.MAA13214@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome back MiChea'l. Look forward to seeing your input in future Bungi postings. ---------- > From: MMcclen740 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 11:49 AM > > To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for > the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. > For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS > GROUP. > Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... > Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? > > Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. > Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. > > "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 12:45:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:44:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <199801112047.PAA22304@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Apology is accepted here. I would like you to accept my apology for the Micheal MiChea`l mistake. I was not in anyway trying to offend anyone is this group. And as far as my email crashing goes it usually only takes me about a half hour to fix the problem here. I was just trying to pass on info to the group. Keep on Cutting! Apology Accepted Again! Sheila ---------- | From: MMcclen740 | To: glass@bungi.com | Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! | Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 2:49 PM | | To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for | the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. | For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS | GROUP. | Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... | Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? | | Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. | Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. | | "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:28:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:25:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "Susan Jordan Bennett" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ugly patina Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.122025.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lynn, my black patina looks 100% better when I finish it with plain old Turtle Car Wax rather then when I use finishing compound. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 11:23 AM Subject: Ugly patina >New kid on the block here-- Got a problem with my patina. After >carefully fluxing, soldering, cleaning and drying, my black patina looks >mottled brown or gray. What's wrong? Would appreciate any help. > >Was recommended to subscribe to this list and since Friday I've become >addicted to it. It's really interesting to read about what everyone has >to say. Have learned several interesting things. This is a veritable >"gold mine" of information. Will pass this on to my daughter and sister >who also do glass. > >I also use Netscape and have had no problem receiving mail. > >Thanks for your help, > >Lyn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:33:59 -0600 Message-ID: <199801112138.PAA01911@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, I don't think the intent was to hurt feelings at all, I think the frustration comes from having a system crash everyday because of 'one' users messages. I hope I did not offend anyone with my note, it was not my intention. I only want to be able to read my mail. I do not wish anyone to "un-subscribe" because of this! I would definitely get a new mail program if I was the only one affected, but there are MANY people affected. We need a solution, we do not need to lose members (and those who have crashed are important to keep too). Please accept my apologies if I have hurt any feelings. Dale ---------- > From: Glenna Rand > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 10:11 AM > > [In the message entitled "Re: Crash Cleared Again!" on Jan 11, 7:54, "Don McDonald" writes:] > > > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until > > > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to > > > spend the afternoon! > > > > There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages > > causing a system crash. Seems the problem lies not with Mr. > > McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem. To date, > > > translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to > > contribute to the conversations on the list. > > > > MiChae'l, please keep contributing! We will work out the bugs in > > those programs. > > Just to let you all know,...she has unsubscribed and is deeply hurt > by the attitude of some people on this list. Please let's try to be > a bit more considerate. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:27:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Receiving mail,Welcome MiChea'l, Great Site,Question for Mike S. Thank you Rand's and Albert Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:26:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.6264.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk OK folks here is some more info for you computer literates. I barley know my way around the keyboard. I could not get mail through my local server. I could get on the web and I could send mail. I took the hard drive to the server and they deinstalled and reinstalled and they couldn't get their program to work either. My computer came with netscape. They showed me how to use it. I have a lot of book marks on my servers program that I can't figure out how to transport to netscape. So I use my server to surf the net and netscape to get my mail. I log on with my server and then I log onto netscape. I have always gotten MiChea'l posts, but I have never been advised there were attachments with it. Maybe that is because this system seems to have so many security programs. When I was just using the server Mike's post(when was that last summer) blocked my system and I lost all my mail, cause it had to be deleted at the servers, and we had to deinstall and reinstall. Does that help anyone? I am glad you decided to stay with the group MiChea'l and welcome back. This site is more helpful than words or hugs could ever tell. I always tell my children (and anyone else who will listen) that education is the best thing you can spend your money on, cause it will come back ten fold over the rest of your life. And here we are, generously getting it for free!!!!!!!!! I did 40 craft shows last year. I shared this site with other glass vendors and customers alike. I hope to do 12 this year and I'm debating about printing out Mikes web page info and leaving it as a free hand out. Would that be OK Mike? I just can't say Thank you enough. The biggest Thank you is to Albert for telling me about this list and of course the Rand's for operating it. I can't imagine how they do the computer part let alone the babysitting. And they want more.!! Well I am clinking the champagne glass and here's a toast to you and my hat is off to you too. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:27:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Appeal for help. Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:19:20 -0600 Message-ID: <199801112123.PAA01816@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, Dave, and Albert- As the "leaders" of the group, and I hope I haven't missed anyone. Is there some way to prevent these "Lock-ups, and System crashes" in the future. MANY people have had problems.... significantly more than the 4-5 offhandedly referred to. And expecting these people to download and run several mail programs, appears to be approaching the issue backwards. Is there no way to prevent this before the messages are sent out? Otherwise, people should be informed of this before they subscribe, and maybe list things for them to check, to make sure their messages will not crash the members of the list. This would prevent any bad feelings, or wasting hours of time for some of us with crashed systems. No rhetoric please, (MSIE vs. Pegasus etc.) just try to help. Dale $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The Banker's House Home of the Buffalo Gang "It is better to spend money like there is no tomorrow, Than to spend tonight like there is no money!" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:04:58 -0600 Message-ID: <199801112109.PAA01732@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MiChea`l, Thank you so much for working (very quickly, and very efficiently) to solve this email problem on behalf of the group. I appreciate your unnecessary apology, and I am REALLY glad you did not give up on the list. I would never want anyone to be prevented from contributing, including those who experienced a system crash. Many of us it seems have MSIE, and there appears to be a problem, but we also may not have the additional memory to download all the extra mail programs discussed. Everything I do, I do with MSIE and windows, the more I have to add, the more confusing it gets, and the less space (memory) I have. Not being a computer whiz, and not having a lot of extra time, I thank you for fixing this. For anyone in a similar situation, I recommend getting a web-based email account like hotmail or yahoo.... when I have a problem with MSIE I can usually download my messages there. It takes a little longer, but at least I never lock-up without some avenues to 'getting back in'. The addresses for the two web-based mails are: Remember to set up the POP mail server to "remove messages from server" otherwise it will only take a copy of the message that locked you up, and leave the original on your server. And best of all.... they require NO memory on your personal computer, and are FREE. Dale ---------- > From: MMcclen740 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 1:49 PM > > To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for > the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. > For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS > GROUP. > Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... > Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? > > Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. > Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. > > "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:31:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:30:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unix Pine, Eudora, Pegasus, Netscape Messenger...hell, ANYTHING but MS Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:33:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.103347.0> References: <<1998Jan11.51510.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > I get all those > posts just fine with my Unix C shell account reading with PINE. You can't > get any cheaper than this text-only system. Right, Shirley? (one of our > resident ISPs who should be teased into making a statement right about > now) .....and my cage door rattles..... Hey Lady, You're one smart cookie, Mary! I've been testing PINE for over a year and have yet to find a mail program that can crash it (though it doesn't read HTML code for POOH!) Been using XWindows and BitchX (contrary to popular belief, NOT named after ME!) for a while and find them far superior to any MS products. Ain't Unix SWELL?!!! Even works great on Vax! In my experience, I have NEVER seen an e-mail crash be the fault of the SENDER. Those who insist on using Internet Explorer Mail should probably re-think being on large e-mail lists....your e-mail problems WILL continue as new subscribers join. Kindly consider using another e-mail program. Contemplating the pros and cons of Public Crucifixion and how to transform it into a lovely glass panel, Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 14:50:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:50:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.115131.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All- Here's some info on the Hexacon from the S.A. Bendheim catalog (which is only wholesale). Maybe one of the = retailers on bungi could acquire them if they don't stock Hexacon already. What's available: = 110-W Hatchet Style 110-W Regular iron (Note that the 110W is available in two styles) = 150-W Heavy Duty iron = 200-W Heavy Duty iron (2lbs.) 250-W Heavy Duty iron (2.4 lbs.) 300-W Heavy Duty iron (3 lbs.) I don't know what retail prices would be but I imagine between $150-300 depending on the size iron. The hatchet style mentioned earlier would be over $200. Hope this helps a little! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 15:01:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:37:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean Norenberg" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Welcome Back MiChea'l Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199801112033.MAA13214@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome back MiChea'l. Look forward to seeing your input in future Bungi postings. ---------- > From: MMcclen740 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! > Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 11:49 AM > > To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for > the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. > For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS > GROUP. > Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... > Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? > > Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. > Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. > > "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 15:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:02:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Re: Apologies and counter apologies Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:04:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.5413.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>>Interesting, I use MS internet explorer, and was watching everyone talk about crashing, and I am unscathed by the mail in question. Could it be that I am doing the E mail with MS Office 97? Interesting to see all the solutions that people came up with though! As for the culprit, I can sympathize, for a while and I hope not anymore each message I sent had a page or so of type "noise" after it. This is all relatively new to all of us as I think it was Albert was saying. Apologies were give, lets accept that and move on, who knows who might cause the next "error" maybe one of us.<<< I tried sending the above earlier but it didn't go out properly Which is what we are all TRYING to do, "contribute to the list". It is unfortunate that we are being prevented from doing this by ONE persons mail program. Is it really fair to ask a dozen people to change mail programs when only ONE persons messages are causing this trouble? I find it offensive that a couple of you (who take this crashing so nonchalant) are critical of those of us who have had to spend hours (in some cases entire days!) with a crashed system! We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system down for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on resolving the problem. I have now set up a mail account with Yahoo Mail (FREE) just for my Bungi mail. I do not choose to change my mail program because of one person (I like what I have!), I want to continue the Bungi relationship, and I do NOT want to spend another day untangling these problems. If anyone out there has a better solution, please share it with the group. We appear to need help! Bonnie _________________________________________________________ These people have apologized twice (at least now), and I feel badly that some have been a little rude to them with respect to what happened. People who feel vulnerable to crashes an other such calamities and say that it caused hardship, well that's life on the net. It was not done as an act of sabotage and it is how we react to things such as this that determines who we are as people. I understand the frustration of having a crash, but it was an unknown system incompatibility not individual intent that caused the crashes. Blame the system and not these people who have tried hard to correct the problem as soon as they were made aware of it. I think it is we who owe these people an apology for not being fair. This whole E-mail thing is in it's infancy. We have all learned from this experience, just as those in the East are learning from the storm they are having and I hope they are not blaming each other for the catastrophe. I certainly don't blame people like Bonnie for being upset, but the blame should not be directed at these people, but at our own lack of understanding the system, as you say Bonnie " We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system down for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on resolving the problem. "So it was for these people. They were upset that this whole affair happened. let's be a little slower to direct our anger at others and be more empathetic. I have my fair share of crashes and down time, and I don't like it either, but don't shoot the messenger. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: MMcclen740 [SMTP:MMcclen740@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 11:50 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS GROUP. Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 15:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:44:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <199801112047.PAA22304@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Apology is accepted here. I would like you to accept my apology for the Micheal MiChea`l mistake. I was not in anyway trying to offend anyone is this group. And as far as my email crashing goes it usually only takes me about a half hour to fix the problem here. I was just trying to pass on info to the group. Keep on Cutting! Apology Accepted Again! Sheila ---------- | From: MMcclen740 | To: glass@bungi.com | Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! | Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 2:49 PM | | To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for | the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. | For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR THIS | GROUP. | Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at hand... | Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? | | Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. | Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. | | "Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 16:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Apologies and counter apologies Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:06:39 -0800 Message-ID: <199801120006.QAA28333@ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I usually just sit back and let happen whats going to happen. However, I think it is time to also put my 2 cents worth in....I have forwarded this persons messages to myself through 'Eudora' (The cheap version), Netscape communicator, Netscape Gold and IE, and have had no problem at all. That leads me to believe that the problem may be closer to home than you think. I echo what others have said, they are not 'doing it deliberatly' so mellow out. Life goes on...Check your own settings and quit blasting the rest of us for what is obviously a 'home-grown' issue. > >>>>Interesting, I use MS internet explorer, and was watching everyone talk >about crashing, and I am unscathed by the mail in question. Could it be >that I am doing the E mail with MS Office 97? Interesting to see all the >solutions that people came up with though! As for the culprit, I can >sympathize, for a while and I hope not anymore each message I sent had a >page or so of type "noise" after it. This is all relatively new to all of >us as I think it was Albert was saying. Apologies were give, lets accept >that and move on, who knows who might cause the next "error" maybe one of >us.<<< > >I tried sending the above earlier but it didn't go out properly > >Which is what we are all TRYING to do, "contribute to the list". It > is unfortunate that we are being prevented from doing this by ONE > persons mail program. Is it really fair to ask a dozen people to > change mail programs when only ONE persons messages are causing this > trouble? > > I find it offensive that a couple of you (who take this crashing so >nonchalant) are critical of those of us who have had to spend > hours (in some cases entire days!) with a crashed system! > > We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG >problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system down >for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on resolving >the problem. > >I have now set up a mail account with Yahoo Mail (FREE) just for my Bungi >mail. I do not choose to change my mail program because of one person (I >like what I have!), I want to continue the Bungi relationship, and I do NOT >want to spend another day untangling these problems. If anyone out there >has a better solution, please share it with the group. We appear to need >help! >Bonnie >_________________________________________________________ > > >These people have apologized twice (at least now), and I feel badly that >some have been a little rude to them with respect to what happened. People >who feel vulnerable to crashes an other such calamities and say that it >caused hardship, well that's life on the net. It was not done as an act of >sabotage and it is how we react to things such as this that determines who >we are as people. I understand the frustration of having a crash, but it >was an unknown system incompatibility not individual intent that caused the >crashes. Blame the system and not these people who have tried hard to >correct the problem as soon as they were made aware of it. I think it is we >who owe these people an apology for not being fair. This whole E-mail thing >is in it's infancy. We have all learned from this experience, just as those >in the East are learning from the storm they are having and I hope they are >not blaming each other for the catastrophe. I certainly don't blame people >like Bonnie for being upset, but the blame should not be directed at these >people, but at our own lack of understanding the system, as you say Bonnie >" We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG >problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system down >for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on resolving >the problem. "So it was for these people. They were upset that this whole >affair happened. let's be a little slower to direct our anger at others and >be more empathetic. I have my fair share of crashes and down time, and I >don't like it either, but don't shoot the messenger. >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >-----Original Message----- >From: MMcclen740 [SMTP:MMcclen740@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 11:50 AM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: GLASS: the Biz at Hand !!! > >To ALL of YOU, who's systems were affected by my email... I will offer (for >the LAST time, My Sincere Apologies. >For thoes of you, that think we're "Cheap", we've accuired AOL, JUST FOR >THIS >GROUP. >Now...can WE ALL forget about Crashes, and get back to the business at >hand... >Dealing with Stained Glass Workings? > >Sincerely, Mr. (Forrest) & Mrs. (MiChea`l ) NOT MICHAEL McClendon. >Live4GAMES like WarCraft II and SimCity2000. > >"Do something Good for yourself, Be KIND to Others"...Terry Holiday > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 16:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:08:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: American Bevels Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:08:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801120008.TAA22635@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I would pass this one on...... Beware that American Bevels has changed their bevel patterns to suit those done for the computer and their computer program. If you are in possession of their old catalog and bevel patterns do not try to design anything with them before you find out if the cluster you are working with is an old cluster or one of the new ones which is labeled design with computer. Nice that they want to sell their computer program but come on guys! Wonder when they were going to tell anyone about this change? Wonder if they have a new catalog to go along with the new clusters for those of us who design for clients before we purchase the bevels? Wonder if anyone else has been put in this position? We have designed and almost fully executed a commission using four of American Bevel clusters. Two that were for the right side two for the left. Now you would think that they would all be the same? Wrong!!! Not only were they not. We had to redesign the commission because we had drawn it to full scale with patterns from bevels we had used before. So after redesining it to fit the new cluster we get to the fouth and that happens to be an old cluster. Not only are the new clusters different in design they are also very very very thin at the edge. And if you are working with lead you will know that a thin edge is nothing but a pain. So here it is Sunday nite.....we have an installation date due of Tuesday. And here hoping that our supplier (and he's at fault here too) will be able to overnite us this cluster.....if they have any in stock. my best, pj (who knows that Mr. Ashoff ears should have been burning today.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 16:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:36:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Apologies and counter apologies Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.14355.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well-spoken, Glenn- My old dinosaur hasn't ever had any problems with bungi mail (except for some "noise") although it protests a little when the posts are too long. I understand the frustration though, of having a = system freeze up. Happened to me a while back when I e-mailed the editor of the local daily newspaper to complain about not getting = delivery. The next thing I know, a well-meaning assistant tried to down-load that day's edition and my poor "puter was catatonic for a few days after! It was pretty frustrating not being able to get bungi mail (I = think it was right in the heat of the = Tiffany discussions!) This too shall pass! Best regards, Dani Greer ( who just finished soldering the last World Arena panel... and is now off to the mud room! What a way to spend Sunday!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 16:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:42:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:43:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.144316.0> References: <<1998Jan11.25110.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If the iron is not hot enough it can cause the flux to boil instead of being > burnt off. What you may be seeing are craters formed by the flux vapor > trying to escape. > > Tom > Okay, So, if my iron is not hot enough, how do I tell? I bought one of the "hotter" tips for the Weller, but I still have problems with it. Could it be that my iron is dying? This could be why I've started to hate soldering when it used to be my favourite part. I can't get a decent bead for the life of me. I don't think it's too much flux, the pitting happens as the solder is setting rather than as the solder is melting. It is a really, really, fine texture and very even all across the bead. Polishing with ultrafine steel wool takes some of it, but it still looks like the surface has been brushed. I admit that I haven't taken it in yet to my local glass store, that is my next step. Just wondering if there was an easy way to tell if my iron is OK. Bought the book the Magic of Snowflakes by Deverie Wood. I was able to do one of their snowflakes in about five hours which was nice. Really impressed with the different patterns and even though I probably could dream up my own given the time and the inclination it is nice to have someone else do the thinking for me. I have a feeling this will be my new hostess gift for a couple of friends. The store gave me a great tip on foiling the nuggets by putting them in a jam jar once foiled and swirling them around so that they become self crimping. Wonderful! Sorry so long a letter, thanks for your help. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 17:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:41:00, -0500 Message-ID: <199801120141.UAA12822@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandi writes: Okay, So, if my iron is not hot enough, how do I tell? I bought one of the "hotter" tips for the Weller, but I still have problems with it. Could it be that my iron is dying? This could be why I've started to hate soldering when it used to be my favourite part. I can't get a decent bead for the life of me. I don't think it's too much flux, the pitting happens as the solder is setting rather than as the solder is melting. It is a really, really, fine texture and very even all across the bead. Polishing with ultrafine steel wool takes some of it, but it still looks like the surface has been brushed. I admit that I haven't taken it in yet to my local glass store, that is my next step. Just wondering if there was an easy way to tell if my iron is OK. Bought the book the Magic of Snowflakes by Deverie Wood. I was able to do one of their snowflakes in about five hours which was nice. Really impressed with the different patterns and even though I probably could dream up my own given the time and the inclination it is nice to have someone else do the thinking for me. I have a feeling this will be my new hostess gift for a couple of friends. The store gave me a great tip on foiling the nuggets by putting them in a jam jar once foiled and swirling them around so that they become self crimping. Wonderful! Sorry so long a letter, thanks for your help. Sandy Bob writes, Sandy, I bet your Weller 100 is not hot enough. Try plugging it into the wall without an extension cord. If your solder is still grainy (a sign of low heat) then take the iron back to where you purchased it and ask for a refund or send it to Weller for repair. Weller 100 irons are good when they work. I got tired of trashing $60. 00 every six months or so because the control element in the tip went and I had to break the iron to get it out. Now use a cheap $15.00, lightweight, 100 watt iron plugged into a control made for stained glass work. After six months I still throw the iron away but I feel much better about it. Also I have real control of the power available to my iron and can turn it down to where I can hang a ball of solder if I want to. There are several SG controls on the market for about $25.00. I like the Glasstar which (you guessed it) costs more. In summary, I am saying that a control and a cheap 100 watt iron is better than the more expensive and heavier iron. Go figure. The tip you give about putting foiled nuggets in a jam jar to crimp then is perhaps the most important thing I have heard this year. If there was a prize for the best suggestion of the week, you would get my vote. BTW, have had no problems with my Prodigy mail. Sometimes forget to reset my priority command and so go to the top of Alberts list. Sorry about that- not fair. Bob (In sunny SOCAL with ex in Agusta, Me.) ____ Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:14:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:14:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ugly patina Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.16856.0> References: <<1998Jan11.102140.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > New kid on the block here-- Got a problem with my patina. After > carefully fluxing, soldering, cleaning and drying, my black patina looks > mottled brown or gray. What's wrong? Would appreciate any help. > > Was recommended to subscribe to this list and since Friday I've become > addicted to it. It's really interesting to read about what everyone has > to say. Have learned several interesting things. This is a veritable > "gold mine" of information. Will pass this on to my daughter and sister > who also do glass. > > I also use Netscape and have had no problem receiving mail. > > Thanks for your help, > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass try washing the piece in baking soda and joy. then polish the patina with semichrome. when you put the patina on, make sure you put a little in the cap, and don't pour it back in. otherwise you may contaminate the rest of the bottle. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:20:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:19:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:26:33 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Glenna, Dave, and Albert- > > As the "leaders" of the group> Dale, it's Dave & Glenna who're the leaders. I'm just one of the group (which isn't necessarily a "follower," either). > there some way to prevent these "Lock-ups, and System crashes" If you're using a computer of any make, brand, model or vintage, you have to also expect crashes and lockups from time to time. Glenna said last week or the week before that the group now comprises what? 300? 500? members. It has certainly been a very small percentage who have reported problems with the attachments "crashing" their computers. ("Choking" would probably be closer to the right phrase, but I realize that whether the box is choking or crashing it makes no difference ... you're still frustrated as heck.) Personally, I experience lockups and crashes ... well, at least "mini-crashes" ... every day in my work. If I have 9-10 programs open and running simultaneously, then go online and hit a Java page, I have to wince and groan, then start closing stuff down and sometimes must also reboot. Now I'm fairly computer literate and can tweak and fiddle with some of the best of 'em, but it's just part of internet life that you'll have to weed the garden from time to time and sometimes more often than you like. It's kinda like life as we know it. Not smooth. Not like the movies. But definitely interesting. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:24:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:24:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Receiving mail,Welcome MiChea'l, Great Site,Question for Mike S. Thank you Rand's and Albert Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.161838.0> References: <<1998Jan11.6264.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > OK folks here is some more info for you computer literates. I barley > know my way around the keyboard. > I could not get mail through my local server. I could get on the web > and I could send mail. I took the hard drive to the server and they > deinstalled and reinstalled and they couldn't get their program to work > either. My computer came with netscape. They showed me how to use it. > I have a lot of book marks on my servers program that I can't figure out > how to transport to netscape. So I use my server to surf the net and > netscape to get my mail. I log on with my server and then I log onto > netscape. > I have always gotten MiChea'l posts, but I have never been advised there > were attachments with it. Maybe that is because this system seems to > have so many security programs. > When I was just using the server Mike's post(when was that last summer) > blocked my system and I lost all my mail, cause it had to be deleted at > the servers, and we had to deinstall and reinstall. > Does that help anyone? > I am glad you decided to stay with the group MiChea'l and welcome back. > This site is more helpful than words or hugs could ever tell. I always > tell my children (and anyone else who will listen) that education is the > best thing you can spend your money on, cause it will come back ten fold > over the rest of your life. And here we are, generously getting it for > free!!!!!!!!! > I did 40 craft shows last year. I shared this site with other glass > vendors and customers alike. I hope to do 12 this year and I'm debating > about printing out Mikes web page info and leaving it as a free hand > out. Would that be OK Mike? > I just can't say Thank you enough. The biggest Thank you is to Albert > for telling me about this list and of course the Rand's for operating > it. I can't imagine how they do the computer part let alone the > babysitting. And they want more.!! Well I am clinking the champagne > glass and here's a toast to you and my hat is off to you too. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i guess that's ok, (providing you were talking about me... :) ). there's alot of pages to print though. maybe if you can keep an address location on it, that would be nice... would it be in color? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:32:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.162647.0> References: <<1998Jan11.144316.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandra Willis wrote: > > > If the iron is not hot enough it can cause the flux to boil instead of being > > burnt off. What you may be seeing are craters formed by the flux vapor > > trying to escape. > > > > Tom > > > > Okay, > > So, if my iron is not hot enough, how do I tell? I bought one of the > "hotter" tips for the Weller, but I still have problems with it. Could > it be that my iron is dying? This could be why I've started to hate > soldering when it used to be my favourite part. I can't get a decent > bead for the life of me. > > I don't think it's too much flux, the pitting happens as the solder is > setting rather than as the solder is melting. It is a really, really, > fine texture and very even all across the bead. Polishing with > ultrafine steel wool takes some of it, but it still looks like the > surface has been brushed. > > I admit that I haven't taken it in yet to my local glass store, that is > my next step. Just wondering if there was an easy way to tell if my > iron is OK. > > Bought the book the Magic of Snowflakes by Deverie Wood. I was able to > do one of their snowflakes in about five hours which was nice. Really > impressed with the different patterns and even though I probably could > dream up my own given the time and the inclination it is nice to have > someone else do the thinking for me. I have a feeling this will be my > new hostess gift for a couple of friends. The store gave me a great tip > on foiling the nuggets by putting them in a jam jar once foiled and > swirling them around so that they become self crimping. Wonderful! > > Sorry so long a letter, thanks for your help. > > Sandy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can generally tell, when the solder get's "pasty", and does'nt flow like water. the iron could be bad, but it could also be used for good. it can now be you decorative soldering iron. i could bring it into the store, and try someone elses iron for a comparison. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:48:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Foiling Nuggets Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 21:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199801120248.VAA13059@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bob Wrote: >The tip you give about putting foiled nuggets in a jam jar to crimp >then is perhaps the most important thing I have heard this year. If >there was a prize for the best suggestion of the week, you would get >my vote. Suzanne adds: It is a wonderful tip, and works like magic! I have been taught, however, that the jar should be made of plastic so as not to chip the nuggets. I use an old "Tums" bottle and it's great. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 18:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:55:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: American Bevels Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:54:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.165433.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What a drag, pj! And shame on American Bevel ... and, you're right, pj, the supplier, too. They, of all people should be up on their products. Well, 400 bungi members around the world now know about this snafu - Not good publicity. Maybe some of our retailers could pass this on to American Bevel. And, I think some recompense is probably due from your supplier! Best regards, Dani (don't feel alone, we're still at work, too.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 19:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:10:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:06:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan12.3656.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Albert: About half of your posts have a straight line going through the middle of your text as if you took a ruler and drew a line through it. Over time I realized that this was valuable information and not just a way to "delete" information. This has been going on for a long time and now know to read the text, but do you have any idea why this happens? This is NOT a problem because I can still read it but I was curious as to what causes it or why it happens. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 19:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:52:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:52:19 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Appeal for help." on Jan 11, 15:19, "The Banker's House" writes:] > > As the "leaders" of the group, and I hope I haven't missed anyone. Is > there some way to prevent these "Lock-ups, and System crashes" in the > future. MANY people have had problems.... significantly more than the 4-5 No,..there is nothing we can do about it. It's up to people to use mail readers that don't crash. I myself use UNIX and have no problems at all. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 20:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: let the computer sort Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:59:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199801120359.TAA28408@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have very little to no computer skills, but figured out and let Internet mail (micro-soft)sort into pre-set mail boxes. Set the from or an address to go into a specific box and then DELETE the whole run. (note: this can be used with specific persons as well. I, too got MANY posts from stmp (or whatever), it caused no freezing but just a waste of time to handle. It also seems we are beating this one into submission as well, perhaps we need to get back to coathangers to break the monotony. As always..................H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 20:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:45:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: American Bevels Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:40:10, -0500 Message-ID: <199801120440.XAB08232@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ wrote: Beware that American Bevels has changed their bevel patterns to suit those done for the computer and their computer program. Bob writes, Yes, American Bevel clusters have been redrawn for the Designer program. It is necessary to use the slightly revised patterns and to insure that ONLY redrawn bevel clusters are obtained and used. The two existing pattern books do not require revision as the changes are slight. Old patterns are useless. For hand drawing old and new patterns are fine. I know this to be a fact, because I read the caution in the welcoming letter that came with designer and still used an old pattern to design to. Even though I had been warned I sent an E-mail to AB letting them know I thought they could have placed a prominant warning in the basic instructional text. I have not found any (small sample) *new* clusters to be thin at the edge. As a beveler I suspect that someplace in China someone probably set their router up wrong when making X number of clusters. Probably set for 3/16" glass rather than the 1/4" AB specifies. IMO AB clusters have high marks when it comes to quality control. If I come across any thin edges AB will get them back. They are good at making the customer happy and DO take pride in the quality of their product. There is a revision to Designer due out in a few weeks. Understand the new libraries are extensive. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 21:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:49:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike's page Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.134847.0> References: <<1998Jan11.161838.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > alot of pages to print though. maybe if you can keep an address location > on it, that would be nice... would it be in color? > No just text and sites that felow crafters would appreciate. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 11 23:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:27:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:14:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.211424.0> References: <<199801120141.UAA12822@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As for the pitting that occurs during cooling of solder. I have seen the phenomenon from time to time and have figured out the following about it. What is actually happening here is that the outer skin of the solder is freezing well in advance of the solder in the core of your line. Once the skin freezes it can no longer shrink to fit the metal in the core of the line as it cools and contracts. Factors that can make matters worse are: 1) Working in a cold room. If the room is cold the surface will shed heat too quickly for the core to cool along with it. 2) This problem happens more often when soldering to fill in wide gaps where there is so much metal present that expansion is more significant a factor and the temperature in the middle can vary greatly from the outside. In a way it is like annealing glass! 3) Overheating the entire workpiece. If the glass itself gets soaked in heat, it in effect becomes part of the solder core. It (the glass) will continue to heat the inside of the solder line not allowing it to cool as quickly as the surface of your bead. This sometimes occurs when working with too cool an iron. If the iron is too cool you must linger too long waiting for the solder to melt, all the while pumping extra heat into the glass which later affects the way things cool. Likewise, reworking the same portion of your line repeatedly without letting it cool in between attempts will saturate the glass with heat. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:41:00, -0500 YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) writes: >Sandi writes: >Okay, > >So, if my iron is not hot enough, how do I tell? I bought one of >the >"hotter" tips for the Weller, but I still have problems with it. >Could >it be that my iron is dying? This could be why I've started to hate >soldering when it used to be my favourite part. I can't get a >decent >bead for the life of me. > >I don't think it's too much flux, the pitting happens as the solder >is >setting rather than as the solder is melting. It is a really, really, > >fine texture and very even all across the bead. Polishing with >ultrafine steel wool takes some of it, but it still looks like the >surface has been brushed. > >I admit that I haven't taken it in yet to my local glass store, that >is >my next step. Just wondering if there was an easy way to tell if my >iron is OK. > >Bought the book the Magic of Snowflakes by Deverie Wood. I was able >to >do one of their snowflakes in about five hours which was nice. >Really >impressed with the different patterns and even though I probably >could >dream up my own given the time and the inclination it is nice to >have >someone else do the thinking for me. I have a feeling this will be >my >new hostess gift for a couple of friends. The store gave me a great >tip >on foiling the nuggets by putting them in a jam jar once foiled and >swirling them around so that they become self crimping. Wonderful! > >Sorry so long a letter, thanks for your help. > >Sandy > >Bob writes, > >Sandy, I bet your Weller 100 is not hot enough. Try plugging it into >the wall without an extension cord. If your solder is still grainy (a >sign of low heat) then take the iron back to where you purchased it >and ask for a refund or send it to Weller for repair. > >Weller 100 irons are good when they work. I got tired of trashing $60. >00 every six months or so because the control element in the tip went >and I had to break the iron to get it out. Now use a cheap $15.00, >lightweight, 100 watt iron plugged into a control made for stained >glass work. After six months I still throw the iron away but I feel >much better about it. Also I have real control of the power available >to my iron and can turn it down to where I can hang a ball of solder >if I want to. There are several SG controls on the market for about >$25.00. I like the Glasstar which (you guessed it) costs more. In >summary, I am saying that a control and a cheap 100 watt iron is >better than the more expensive and heavier iron. Go figure. > >The tip you give about putting foiled nuggets in a jam jar to crimp >then is perhaps the most important thing I have heard this year. If >there was a prize for the best suggestion of the week, you would get >my vote. > >BTW, have had no problems with my Prodigy mail. Sometimes forget to >reset my priority command and so go to the top of Alberts list. Sorry >about that- not fair. Bob (In sunny SOCAL with ex in Agusta, Me.) > >____ >Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom >get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 >Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA >Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 02:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:17:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Albert: About half of your posts have a straight line going through the > middle of your text as if you took a ruler and drew a line through it That's a new one, LuAnn. Haven't heard that before, but it sounds like a function of your reader. What are you using as a mail reader? I'd ask your ISP; my first thought is that the messages are being marked for deletion on the ISP's server and you're getting the marked version, but that's just a guess. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 04:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:59:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan12.115949.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Albert - I'm using AOL for my mail and yours is the only one that's doing this. Like I said it's not a problem because I can read the text, but thanks for helping. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 04:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:30:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Dodge Studio Was:RE: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.23235.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary,=20 Glad to see you on the list. I have visited your web site and love your = patterns. I have several on them. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD1F13.9436C920-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 04:47:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!live4games From: "Forrest McClendon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hi! Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:46:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan11.204613.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Do You find Glazing better with.. The GRAY stuff in the can?...or mixing Plaster of Paris & Linseed Oil ???? Please give your input, before Wednesday. MiChea`l ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 06:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Albert - I'm using AOL for my mail and yours is the only one that's doing > this. Like I said it's not a problem because I can read the text, but thanks > for helping. Sure, LuAnn. Is anyone else getting my messages with lines drawn through the text? Does anyone have any idea why that would happen? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 07:12:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jerseycape.com!lsg From: "Michael Minchelli" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bevel overlay Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.500.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gloria... You will need to use either the 1/2" or the 3/8" foil. I have used the copper back foil. It shouldn't really make a difference since you are going to plate the bevel with some colored glass it will hide the copper foil. I personally have not seen 3/8" or 1/2" silver or black back foils. Michael ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 07:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:11:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's page Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.5549.0> References: <<1998Jan11.134847.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > alot of pages to print though. maybe if you can keep an address location > > on it, that would be nice... would it be in color? > > > No just text and sites that felow crafters would appreciate. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass alrighty, i guess so... i know some guy from germany put my page on one of his cd's... kinda neat... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 07:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:13:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:13:26 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980112091326.007ca290@glasstreasures.com> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:31 AM 1/12/98 +0000, you wrote: >Sure, LuAnn. Is anyone else getting my messages with lines drawn >through the text? Does anyone have any idea why that would happen? > >Albert FYI, I don't have the problem now, but I remember having that problem before with some of your messages, and I remember others having it, too, and somebody said something, and you didn't know then, either, what was wrong. I might have been using my AOL e-mail when I was having that problem, now that I think about it. It didn't happen on *every* message of yours, Albert, but yours was the only one it happened on. About 7 or 8 lines into the message, all of a sudden everything would have a line running through it, like a "strikethrough". Very strange. Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX mailto:sgt@glasstreasures.com NEW pictures in the Gallery! http://glasstreasures.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 07:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:16:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.51036.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Albert - I'm using AOL for my mail and yours is the only one that's doing > > this. Like I said it's not a problem because I can read the text, but thanks > > for helping. > > Sure, LuAnn. Is anyone else getting my messages with lines drawn > through the text? Does anyone have any idea why that would happen? > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass nope, first time i heard of it, i'm using netscape 3.0. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 08:46:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:45:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Windows of North America Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 09:42:34 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan12.174234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Coincidental, but, when I was out this weekend I happened across this book in Springfield, MO at Merry Go Round, and also saw the chief on the cover, so purchased it. Now, had I read your message first and went looking for the book, probably wouldn't have come across it! The pictures of the work by Powers Illustrated Stained Glass Studio are really phenomenal. They utilize larger expanses of solder and slivers of glass to create some very realistic pieces of art. I hope to have some time later today to go in and look at their work on their web site. They used some very interesting colors of glass for the chief's face that I wanted to ask about. Dawn > Just got my Winter 97/98 Glass Pattern Quarterly and on page 22 Wardell > Publication isadvertising Windows of North America. There is a great > Indian Chief on the cover. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 08:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:48:51 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan12.184851.0> References: <<1998Jan10.2416.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I believe I'll take Mike Peck's advice and give my Weller 100 another shot before buying a different iron. (Have spent too much on glass lately!) I'll take it off the extension cord and have another outlet put= in, and use it on a dedicated circuit. You would think that would be = a simple task to get done, considering I live with an electrician/plumber. = But, I have been asking for that for quite some time now, as well as a = new light fixture put in over my workbench. And yes, my sink does leak... ;-) I'm also going to switch to a wider tip as suggested to help retain the = heat. As someone pointed out, I must be pulling the bead too quickly. = Although, I did not realize this was possible and thought that running = the bead quickly was the objective. I try to go quickly so I don't get = too much solder on the bead and end up with big, ugly solder lines. I = was trying to get small, smooth inconspicuous lines, so I was moving as quickly as possible. Zane mentioned the Hexacon iron puts a bead on the piece as you are doing preliminary soldering, and therefore, "the first swipe is the = last swipe". Why is this? What is there about the Hexacon that would make this difference? I thought you only had to do a tack soldering to joints and then run your bead. Do you need to solder the = entire project and then go back to run your bead normally? My conclusion is that I really know very little about soldering and probably need to take a hands-on course to be shown how to do it correctly. My instructor at the craft shop taught us to go along the seam and drop balls of solder along it, and then run the iron from ball = to ball to melt them into a bead. It didn't take me long to discover I = didn't like this approach at all because of the uneven bead I was getting. So I read a book & tried teaching myself another way. Bungi = is a great teaching tool, and sometimes, what I learn is that I have an = awful lot more to learn! Thanks for the help and suggestions. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 12:46:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:44:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > problem, now that I think about it. It didn't happen on *every* message of > yours, Albert, but yours was the only one it happened on. Guess I'm just special. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 13:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:10:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan12.211036.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Albert: I have the same thing, as LueAnn does. Some of your e-mail has a line thru some of your message. It can be read.....it's just "interesting" as to why this happens. Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 14:20:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:19:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:23:06 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Don, go back and check your mail again. There have been far more than > ". . . 4 or 5 posts......."! And, I suspect that if everyone who > has had the problem were to write in we would find more than we could > imagine! I did a search on all messages in my bungi folder with the words "crash" in them and found four addresses > > We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG > problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system > down for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on > resolving the problem. If my computer system is down, I cannot work. My job depends on my computer. Crashing is no trivial matter for me, either. This is why I have installed safeguards. > I have now set up a mail account with YahooMail (FREE) just for my > Bungi mail. I do not choose to change my mail program because of one > person (I like what I have!), I want to continue the Bungi > relationship, and I do NOT want to spend another day untangling these > problems. If anyone out there has a better solution, please share it > with the group. We appear to need help! > Bonnie My solution has been offered. Give up your Web Browser with an accessory mail reader for a Mail Reading program like Pegasus...It's free and you can be assured that your system will not crash due to an encrypted, mimed, attached or hypertexted mail message. If you wouldn't cut lead came with tin snips, why read e-mail with a Web Browser? Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 14:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New UK stained glass chat forum Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:21:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.22217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For any bunginian who enjoys chat forums, have a look at Hetleys newly set up one. At the moment their site is a bit overframed for my liking, so I have bookmarked just the chat forum page at http://www.hetleys.co.uk/disc1_frm.htm. Not many people have discovered it yet, but Hetleys are keen to help answer any questions posed, and so far have posted replies quickly if they have an answer at their fingertips. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 14:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:22:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Windows of North America Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:23:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.222311.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn - did you make a note of Powers Illustrated Stained Glass Studio web site address? Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 14:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:55:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crl.com!slally From: Sean Lally To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<1998Jan12.211036.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The pattern I'm noticing is that people using aol are having a this problem. Sean On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, LByrne21 wrote: > Albert: I have the same thing, as LueAnn does. Some of your e-mail has a line > thru some of your message. It can be read.....it's just "interesting" as to > why this happens. Lavergne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 16:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.14558.0> References: <<1998Jan10.2416.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, Here are the basics, as I see them, reprinted from "The Help Desk" on our website. 1)Always work with a clean tip. (We tin our iron tips up a lot higher up the tip than the manufacturer does.) Use a sal-ammoniac block to tin your tip and for cleaning. 2) Watch your temperature. If immediately after cleaning your tip you see it changing color to gold or purple (kind of iridescent looking) your iron is too hot. Keep in mind that a dirty iron does not melt solder well. A common mistake is to assume that when the solder doesn't melt it means that the iron is too cool, which leads people to turn the heat up when it was really too hot in the first place!
(An added irony is that while an overheated dirty iron won't melt solder well it can still be a remarkably efficient tool for cracking your glass.) 3) Be sure to use enough flux, but not too much (we use a liquid flux, not paste). If your work fizzes and boils as you solder you are probably using too much flux. (There are a couple of brands of flux that are very watery and are more prone to this behavior.) The specific flux you choose can make all the difference. In fact the company that makes our favorite flux also makes our least favorite flux as well! 4) If you are sure your iron is not too hot but it gets dirty quickly as soon as you start melting solder onto it try several different brands of solder. You would be surprised at the differences in handling between even well respected brands. (We use solder made with only virgin metals. We find that it has less" junk" in it that dirties the iron tip.) 5) For building up a thick bead around the edge switch to a 50/50 solder. (It's thicker in it's molten state than 60/40.) Don't let the iron get too hot for this operation. The hotter it is the less viscous (thinner) your solder will run. Thin solder just won't stand up very high. Like comparing water to whipped cream. The thick stuff stands up a lot higher 6) Feed the solder onto the iron tip rather high up. If the iron is clean enough the solder will seem to disappear into the tip and re-emerge at the bottom. (This will allow the solder to gain the full temperature of the tip before it flows down to the copper foil.) If your solder forms balls or lumps that tend to fall off the tip rather than disappear into it, the tip is not clean enough and needs to be heated to a high heat and cleaned thoroughly on a sal-ammoniac block 7) Use sal-ammoniac water. Mix a couple of teaspoons broken from a sal-ammoniac tinning block into a cup of water. Each time you allow your iron to rest, even for a brief interval, before returning to work you should sharply jab the tinned portion of the tip (and only the tip) into the sal-ammoniac water. If done suddenly enough the shock of the sudden immersion will produce a kissing sound and all of the junk and crud on the iron tip will break away and leave the tip clean and shiny. 8) Make sure to maintain firm contact on your foil with the iron. Good soldering is all about heat transfer. If you don't get your foil heated up adequately you can't get a good bead. Finally, as far as building a good edge bead, we have detailed instructions in both our Holiday Portfolio and Creatures Great and Small books. If you would like a free reprint of these instructions, visit The Help Desk at our site for instructions. www.dodgestudio.com Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:48:51 PST Dawn writes: >I believe I'll take Mike Peck's advice and give my Weller 100 another >shot before buying a different iron. (Have spent too much on glass >lately!) I'll take it off the extension cord and have another outlet >put= > in, and use it on a dedicated circuit. You would think that would be >= >a >simple task to get done, considering I live with an >electrician/plumber. = > But, I have been asking for that for quite some time now, as well as >a = > >new light fixture put in over my workbench. And yes, my sink does >leak... ;-) > >I'm also going to switch to a wider tip as suggested to help retain >the = > >heat. As someone pointed out, I must be pulling the bead too quickly. >= > > Although, I did not realize this was possible and thought that >running = > >the bead quickly was the objective. I try to go quickly so I don't >get = > >too much solder on the bead and end up with big, ugly solder lines. I >= > >was trying to get small, smooth inconspicuous lines, so I was moving >as quickly as possible. > >Zane mentioned the Hexacon iron puts a bead on the piece as you >are doing preliminary soldering, and therefore, "the first swipe is >the = > >last swipe". Why is this? What is there about the Hexacon that >would make this difference? I thought you only had to do a tack >soldering to joints and then run your bead. Do you need to solder the >= > >entire project and then go back to run your bead normally? > >My conclusion is that I really know very little about soldering and >probably need to take a hands-on course to be shown how to do it >correctly. My instructor at the craft shop taught us to go along the >seam and drop balls of solder along it, and then run the iron from >ball = > >to ball to melt them into a bead. It didn't take me long to discover >I = > >didn't like this approach at all because of the uneven bead I was >getting. So I read a book & tried teaching myself another way. Bungi >= > >is a great teaching tool, and sometimes, what I learn is that I have >an = > >awful lot more to learn! > >Thanks for the help and suggestions. >Dawn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 16:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:37:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:34:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.03412.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-12 18:08:30 EST, you write: << The pattern I'm noticing is that people using aol are having a this problem. >> I think you are probably correct, Sean, but as long as I can read it it's just not a problem, merely an odd thing. Well Howard - I did change the subject didn't I. So how's the lampmaking business? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 16:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:49:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: New UK stained glass chat forum Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:45:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199801130048.AAA31924@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear EliZabeth, GREAT!! Thank you for that!!! Very Useful; Am trying to get my head into gear for the new "teaching season", am combining BIG Aitumn cleaning with BIG Spring cleaning ( Toby will most definitely need a bath!!!), Also preparing for one of my Godson's impending visit from Istanbul (14 years old and his very first trip abroad on his OWN!! His mother is really playing Mother Hen in a big way!!). How did you survive the storms?? Thanks again for the info! ....In a Rush... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (Herts.) EliZabeth in Bournemouth (UK) wrote: For any bunginian who enjoys chat forums, have a look at Hetleys newly set up one. At the moment their site is a bit overframed for my liking, so I have bookmarked just the chat forum page at http://www.hetleys.co.uk/disc1_frm.htm. Not many people have discovered it yet, but Hetleys are keen to help answer any questions posed, and so far have posted replies quickly if they have an answer at their fingertips. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 17:05:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:04:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:02:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.121.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-12 16:24:42 EST, you write: << Albert: I have the same thing, as LueAnn does. Some of your e-mail has a line thru some of your message. It can be read.....it's just "interesting" as to why this happens. >> Me too Albert, I'm using AOL .....Strange ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 17:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:30:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Windows of North America Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:30:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.9309.0> References: <<1998Jan12.174234.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > The pictures of the work by Powers Illustrated Stained Glass Studio are > really phenomenal. They utilize larger expanses of solder and slivers of > glass to create some very realistic pieces of art. I hope to have some > time later today to go in and look at their work on their web site. They > used some very interesting colors of glass for the chief's face that I > wanted to ask about. Would you share that site with us? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 17:59:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:57:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: soldering Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:56:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199801130157.RAA19522@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is NO easy substitution for carefully fitting the glass. Wide and irregular beads are often caused by the gaps in the fitting of the glass. I still maintain that the more heat the better and as one gets faster, it is easier to make clean beads. I have run one time passes on 10" high 8 panel lamps (45degree joints) with fine results. The Tiffany style small piece lamps are easier to solder as they usually have small runs to solder and a lot of joints to cross and fix a bad run. As for flux, I recommend a paste flux for long term projects (does not oxidize as fast) and a good water based one for a project that will be done in 5 to 6 weeks. I do NOT use any laco flux at all and find I have trouble soldering with it. All fluxes are used in moderation, as flooding a project does not make it solder better. Dirt comes from impurities in solder and flux, primarily heated enough to carbonize and then it acts as an insulator on the tip of the iron and does not allow the heat to transfer. The more you do, the better it gets..... enjoy...........H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Hi!-request for cement recipe Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.162830.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Michea'l - We've had a couple of rather = extensive discussions on cement mixtures here before you came on board and there should be tons of info, including recipes, in the archives. The most important thing, though, is do not use Plaster of Paris or Portland cement in your mixtures - they are both damaging to your windows = according to our resident expert, Julie Sloan, whose book "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" goes into a great deal of detail explaining these matters. If no one else has mailed you off-bungi, let me know and I'll send you the = recipe. Your stained glass supplier also sells a two-part for cementing stained glass called Miracle Mudd and unless you're cementing tons of windows that might be a good way to go. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.162822.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn- Maybe you should take that vacation in Colorado this summer ! We'll teach you how to solder okay! It's so hard to explain this stuff in words. Here's how we do copperfoil: after fluxing, tack solder to hold the whole shebang in = place, then go back and run your bead. We don't tin first, but that helps if your iron doesn't run hot enough. The Hexacons or bigger Wellers run hot enough where you can run a fast bead easily without losing oomph. On this one I agree with young Mr. Savad, the hotter the better. Unless, of course, you don't run a fast bead in which case you'll have major melt-through all the time. Depends on where you're at in skill or style. Hope that helps. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:40:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199801130238.CAA16239@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol, Thank you so much for your kind words. You can imagine what the "repair necessity" did to my ego and the rest of it. I do hope to be able to post the photos (when I have taken 'n developed them etc) on my WEB-page, but that will be a while yet. I am still trying to catch up with what I did about 18-24 months ago. And anyhow.... from your own words.... isn't it all a very good example of "Bungi Sharing". Things just don't happen over-night. The speed of communication these days is so fast. Germination and realization is another matter. THAT might take weeks, months, sometimes a year or so. Tomorrow (sorry.... today!!) I am having a session with "Computer-Guru Kris" to put a few more photos on my web-page of work I did a couple of years ago. I hope also to have some "baby-pics" of Toby. Next week will see my FIRST photo-session of these panels. I may have to go back several times before I get what I want... It's not the FIRST Church-commission I have done. I have done a number of others before. They have all been commissioned to commemorate unusual and (perhaps eccentric) people. I am not into cherubs, saints and angels - on the whole, so my MY particular interprtetations are very personal, yet striving to harmonize with the particular congregation I am working with/for., while trying to retain my own particular style/interpretation of what stained glass is all about. Thank you so much for your kind comments. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Carol wrote: Ah Elisabeth, what a moment that must have been for you...I remember how you laboured over possible mounting systems for these panels last year. I remember when you let us know the woman had her second heart attack and that the rush was on. And now to hear of the breaks...we've all been in this along with you to some extent. >I had put down in writing my own impressions of Ernest post-humously and how my interpretations were translated into stained glass. I gave them about 3 type-written >pages ... read out my entire notes. It was >almost embarrassing. Nevertheless, it was also very moving. Elisabeth, how wonderful. This to my mind is truly what stained glass is about...or at least why I do it...to make an impact on the viewer and also to tell a story, as well as providing something nice to look at. I've recently come to a realization that although I've never done a church panel, many of my pieces are very spiritual. You must be feeling so honored (at a deep, rather than publicity level) to have made such an ongoing impact on the congregation. >During last prayers, the (new) Minister made a point of telling the >Congration that THIS time, not to shut their eyes, but to look at the >panels and meditate on them. Again, I have to ask...Isn't this why stained glass panels were originally put into churches...so the congregation could learn from the story or message within them? All the best Carol PS Tail wags from Kayla to Toby! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:40:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:38:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? 'n other bits... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199801130238.CAA16259@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dani, I would have loved to have replied to you & this question ages ago.... , but I am not a chemist. In the meantime, there have been some wonderful "chemical" explanations involving glycerin, zinc chloride, hydrochloric acid, muriatic acid and whatever else...... I sit here and turn round and round my stick of good old-fashined, genuine tallow and wonder how THAT fits into the scheme of things...? I only infrequently do anything in copper-foil and have on one or two occasions used TALLOW-flux instead of the liquid ones (if I have run out). It's more difficult to wash off, but it works just as well for me. I often demonstrate to my students what happens if they don't flux their work (tallow OR liquid). In lead there is ALWAYS one joint that gets forgotten! I can accept the chemical explanations superficially when our chemical experts explain reactions of the LIQUID fluxes. But what about TALLOW?? And if you continue the THOUGHT of tallow; it was the "parent" of the modern candle (I.e. wax, mixed with stearin). So what if you have even run out of good old-fashion tallow - could one try and use a modern stearin candle as an "emergency substitute" ??? Must try it some time!! ;-> And if it works, what might be the chemical explanations for it working?? Interesting thought. Reminds me slightly of the coat-hanger issue (THAT was fun!!) I have just been "lurking" this last week (so much to do) and therefore accumulated about 500 e-mails to go through, about 200 just in the last few days in my Bungi list. I seem to have missed all the "fun" about the Crash. Have had no problems whatsoever here. - Ah, well- , Thanks Great Big Computer-Guru Kris (who must be Obeyed) who "kitted me out" with Pegasus. It may not sing, whistle, dance and make the afternoon tea, but it seems to work..... EliZabeth in Bournemouth: Have just had another "peep" at Hetley's page and their newly created Forum in UK. Potentially it could be absolutely GREAT!! You may have noticed, I told them to join Bungi (Dave & Glenna - please note!!) But it would seem that Hetley's is an unnecessarily complicated chat-forum; As I understand it, one would have to stay on-line to reply and/or make an input to the forum. I too am a computer nerd. But I find that down-loading the inputs much "fussier" than at Bungi and replying while having a particular message on screen - i.e. so you can reply spontaneously - means that you actually have to stay on-line. Am I correct or is there a better way...? Perhaps I have just got used to Bungi way of doing things. Glenna, I loved your "provoked" pic!!! I saw that one BEFORE I saw the "other one". ""Hallelujah!", I said, while Toby made a quick dash for downstairs.......his back bristling!!! Back to "lurk-mode", class-planning, house autumn/spring cleaning and my poor, patient, waiting customers. Oh yes, and the Tax-Man..!!!! (HE is NOT patient!!!) ....and my patient friends out there...still waiting for my replies.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (...waiting for Spring...) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199801130238.CAA16253@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, Thanks!! Would you believe it!!!.... I cancelled "Elisabeth's Cooking Session" this Christmas and we had a Chinese Take-Away instead!!! The duck that I bought got shoved into the freezer!! For the first time in 20-odd years, Elisabeth went on "strike".... It was GREAT!!! Thanks! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: Congratulations, Elisabeth! Thanks for sharing with us. (I knew your future held something GREAT to replace the lack of Christmas goose!) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 18:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dedication Ceremony Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199801130238.CAA16245@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Lavergne, Not only have a number of people made lovely warm comments to me "In-Group", I have also so many lovely "off-group" e-mails about these panels. Again, thank you. I am a bit of a "dinosaur", and often unprepared for the speed of communications as they now are these days; I need time to "mull things over", BEFORE I am able to reply. Old-fashioned perhaps, but it works for me. The occasion wasn't exactly "fun", but it was really quite moving and I left, thinking "Did I REALLY do this???" I am so glad if you think my ways, thoughts, approach "matters". I have been quiet for a while, but I am really trying to catch my tail..... Full pics and "words" will appear on my web-page eventually. (I still have to post Chartres!!!) Thank you..... and I'll do my best.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Elisabeth: What fun! what pleasure! what satisfaction! when reading any of your input into bungi. Whether sharing the experience of you and Toby frolicking in the fields by your home, or, traveling to Chartres to view the splendor of stained glass, or, reading your ideas on "my humble trade".......you manage to write so that I feel, see, and share, these marvelous places and the things you write about. I thoroughly enjoyed the dedication ceremony and the delightful people who made it all possible (via your description)...... May we continue to be a part of your "happenings" when we, ourselves, cannot be there, and to share your thoughts on things that are meaningful to you...stained glass, or not. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 19:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:17:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: confusing Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:14:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.31419.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have barely had time to begin sorting through all the information about soldering irons and now we have moved on to flux. I'll be getting back to the group about irons but I would appreciate some information about flux. I have used both paste and liquid flux. Here goes the questions. 1. are all liquid flux water base? 2. what is laco flux? 3. what is tallow flux? 4. if allowed, what are some of the brand names of fluxes that others would recommend? LuAnn (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 19:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:21:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Subscribe/attachments Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.17215.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carole- I had to let you know how much I = loved the slogan at the end of your post! We are considering using = "Hi Mom, I'm playing with broken glass!" :-)) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 19:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.172120.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gary- Good bunch of tips on soldering - I'm saving this post for my next class! Also, thanks to you and Valerie both for tackling the "Why flux" question - If I want more info I'll take Valerie's advice and talk to a physics teacher (my web meister happens to teach physics at the Air Force Academy) -- if I want more info, which I probably don't!;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 19:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:22:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: New UK stained glass chat forum Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.172113.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, thanks for the chat room at = Hetley's info. If any of you over the pond visit anytime soon would you mind asking about the lead mills? I know Hetley's used to make and sell them. I'll check, too, as soon as we get out from under this TON of work - gads. It's sure a busier January than usual. It really beats two years ago when we had two city construction projects meeting at our front door and all traffic was diverted around us. Almost went under that year! I think the two attributes that contribute most to long-term success are sheer stupidity and dogged = stubborness. ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 19:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:40:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why flux? 'n other bits... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:39:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan12.17399.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elisabeth writes: "In lead there is ALWAYS one joint that gets forgotten". We call that a "spirit path" - something we picked up from native American Indian jewelers! Of course, it's very bad luck to go back and fix it (not to mention that it ruins the beautiful patina on the lead). ;-) And speaking of luck, of course we all know it's good luck for the artist to bleed on his glass. ( I must build the luckiest windows in the history of mankind!) Sorry to hear the tax man is breathing down your neck - at least over here we get until April 15th to deal with our Infernal Revenue Service! Best regards, Dani Greer (who with hubby, Michael installed five of the six World Arena = windows today and feels very much better -- grand opening is Thursday. Missing my coffee as much as pj does!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 21:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New UK stained glass chat forum Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:37:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199801130537.AAA10626@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hetley's info. If any of you over the pond visit anytime soon would you mind asking about the lead mills? I know Hetley's used to make and sell them. Dani Greer I E-mailed Henleys a few weeks ago. They knew nothing and referred me to Stillmans who said they did not know and offered to sell me pre made lead came. I get along well with the lead products available from the USA and Canada and would fear the shipping charges from Belgium although they have some interesting steel reinforced lead. As of now my search for a source of hand powered lead mills is at a standstill. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (Qualified in submarines Runner, Skipjack, Triton and Manta.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 12 22:32:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Flux Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:26:55, -0500 Message-ID: <199801130626.BAA13030@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LuAnn wrires; I have barely had time to begin sorting through all the information about soldering irons and now we have moved on to flux. I'll be getting back to the group about irons but I would appreciate some information about flux. I have used both paste and liquid flux. Here goes the questions. 1. are all liquid flux water base? 2. what is laco flux? 3. what is tallow flux? 4. if allowed, what are some of the brand names of fluxes that others would recommend? LuAnn (Whispy Blu@aol.com 1. I think (not sure) the gell fluxes are glycern based. Most are water based and seem to depend on zinc chloride for fluxing. 2. La-Co Brite is a brand name. The exact La-Co product used in SG work is non-acid water based. It is strong and best used on lead came rework and rebar. Can be cut 50/50 with water for use where lighter fluxing is needed like copper foil. Smells but does the job. 3. Tallow flux is rendered animal fat. Better grades of candles may be tallow based. Just rub a small amount on the area to be soldered and solder. Smells a bit and is waxy to clean up. IMO makes a smoother bead than most fluxes. To try just cut a piece of fat from your next steak and use it to flux. Not the best choice for copper foil work where super cleanup is required prior to applying patina. 4. I like Glasflux, a gell, for most work to be completed in one sitting. Nokorode, a paste, is a bit stronger and does not burn if left on when soldering is not completed in one sitting. La-Co, a liquid, is good for heavy duty fluxing but will tend to burn if left on raw copper for more than few minutes. By burning I mean corrosion requiring steel wire brushing to cleanup before re fluxing. Not fluxed, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (Qualified in submarines Runner, Skipjack, Triton and Manta.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 00:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:45:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead mills Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.84627.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sam & I have been phoning around our UK contacts and have had no luck with finding a supplier of lead mills. Apparently since various new rules and regulations about safety etc it is assumed that no-one wants to mill their own nowadays. Sorry, folks - we did try. All we can do is keep our ears open for the occasional visitor who boasts that their grandfather used to make his own lead, in case they still have the equipment in the garage and want to sell it. I have kept a note of those who expressed an interest just in case. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 00:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:45:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why flux? 'n other bits... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.84628.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:35 13/01/98 +0000, EliSabeth wrote: >EliZabeth in Bournemouth: Have just had another "peep" at Hetley's >page and their newly created Forum in UK. Potentially it could be >absolutely GREAT!! You may have noticed, I told them to join Bungi >(Dave & Glenna - please note!!) >But it would seem that Hetley's is an unnecessarily complicated >chat-forum; As I understand it, one would have to stay on-line to >reply and/or make an input to the forum. I too am a computer nerd. >But I find that down-loading the inputs much "fussier" than at Bungi >and replying while having a particular message on screen - i.e. so >you can reply spontaneously - means that you actually have to stay >on-line. Am I correct or is there a better way...? Perhaps I have >just got used to Bungi way of doing things. Yes, to have to read and reply on line will stop quite a few UK netizens participating I am sure. But the US chat boards I have found all work the same way - as far as I know in the US you don't actually pay a phone bill for every second you are on line. I have been thinking for a while that until our phone companies allow free local calls (most internet service providers are at the end of a local call down here anyway) the full benefit of this WWW of ours will not be experienced by those of us having to remember that every second on line adds to the expense. Of course lots of web sites are well worth the cost of waiting for them to load, but if I know it will cost 20 pence just to see someones fancy graphics I do sometimes stop the page loading and move on elsewhere. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 05:04:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:02:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Why flux? 'n other bits... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.3515.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Not that I haven't bled my fair share on the glass but I seem to get = more paper cut from handling large drawings at work. I guess I'm more = careful around the class 'cause it has a reputation for cutting and I = forget how dangerous the paper can be...and how painful since a lot of = the prints have ammonia on them from printing process.=20 Ouch! That explains why my pattern pieces are spattered with blood too. Linda Campbell Michael said: ead). ;-) And speaking of luck, of course we all know it's good luck for the artist to bleed on his glass. ( I must build the luckiest windows in the history of mankind!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 05:11:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Soldering, Was: RE: Weller 100 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.31232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary said: 8) Make sure to maintain firm contact on your foil with the iron. Good soldering is all about heat transfer. If you don't get your foil heated up adequately you can't get a good bead. Well, at last someone has told me to actually touch the foil with the = solder tip. Several sources have told me to just "hover" over the foil = and let the solder "run" on to the foil. This mad no sense to me and I = couldn't do it and make an even bead anyway.=20 Thanks, Gary for clearing this up for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 07:22:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:21:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering, Was: RE: Weller 100 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:20:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.52023.0> References: <<1998Jan13.31232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Gary said: > > 8) Make sure to maintain firm contact on your foil with the iron. > Good soldering is all about heat transfer. If you don't > get your foil heated up adequately you can't get a good > bead. > > Well, at last someone has told me to actually touch the foil with the = > solder tip. Several sources have told me to just "hover" over the foil = > and let the solder "run" on to the foil. This mad no sense to me and I = > couldn't do it and make an even bead anyway.=20 > > Thanks, Gary for clearing this up for me. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that is one method, and it's difficult to do. when i solder i tough the corner of the tip to the foil. if you do hover you have to pay close attention to the solder flowing onto the foil, and not pay attention directly to the tip. you need a lightweight iron to hover, otherwise it will kill your arm. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 08:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:03:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.6101.0> References: <<1998Jan13.121.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk The software that AOL uses to read email is a proprietary product. The AOL system (unless they've changed lately), does not use SMTP protocalls. You can only read your mail on AOL using their reader software. If you have Internet access, (not thru AOL), you can have a 'shell' account, or a PPP account. You can use Pine, Eudora, Netscape, MSIE, or any other pay for, Shareware or free software you choose that works with the NET. There are 'plain vanilla' and 'bells and whistles' varieties. When a plain vanilla reader gets a bells and whistles message, 'your results may vary'. Some mail software allows you to send HTML in the mail. HTML is the stuff that makes a web page fancy (sound, graphic, animation, etc.). If your reader doesn't know what to do with the HTML, it tries to convert it to ?something? that it can handle. The problem with mail groups is that people don't use the same *anything*, in glass or computers. I have been tracking the complaints from the people who have been having problems with mail. The 'blow up' or 'lock up' problems from last week were all from MSIE users, except for one Eudora user. I have had problems with people who sent 'signature' files that have animation and sound, since I read this at work and do not have a sound card on this machine. The reader trying to play music, and the pc not have MIDI or wav capability creates a problem. How can you help? Check the settings on your software, look for a 'setting' or 'preferences' on the toolbar. Plain mail should not have attachments, unless your are sending an attachment.(a .doc or .jpg file). Don't sent a large jpg or gif file to the mail list. It plays havoc with a number of mail servers. If you have something to share, offer it to the group, and send it ONLY to those that ASK for it. Thank you for your support. PS I'm not knocking AOL, just defining why people get strange results (I still keep an AOL account for business reasons) PPS - I don't sent PS's Glasangels wrote: > Me too Albert, I'm using AOL .....Strange ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 08:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:24:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:20:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.162051.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-12 18:08:35 EST, you write: > The pattern I'm noticing is that people using aol are having a this problem. > but only with alberts messages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 08:50:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:49:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 10:19:02 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.18192.0> References: <<1998Jan12.222311.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: http://www.staind-glass.com. But, I am not having any luck connecting to their site at all. I keep getting an error message. I have searched using 5 or 6 different search engines, and still can't come up with another address. I did find a listing for them in one of the on-line yellow pages. They are listed there as Powers Brothers Stained Glass. It did not list an e-mail address for them. Although, I did find an address for a John Powers in Scottsdale, Arizona. I sent him a message to find out if it is the same John Powers. Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this studio? Dawn > Dawn - did you make a note of Powers Illustrated Stained Glass Studio web > site address? > Elizabeth & Sam ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:16:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:16:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:16:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.5160.0> References: <<1998Jan13.18192.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn, et. al. Give this a try: http://www.powellbrosglassart.com/ Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Dawn wrote: > > Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: > http://www.staind-glass.com. > > But, I am not having any luck connecting to their site at all. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ugly patina Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:25:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801131725.MAA05977@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This comes from George Pozan, a member of our local glass group. After the "mud" in your panel has set, wash with hot water and detergent soap, rinse with hot water. Apply the patina while it is still damp (warmth and dampness seems to improve the color). Rinse again to remove patina from the glass and allow to dry. Apply spray wax (George uses finishing compound) and let stand until completely dry. Buff to your satisfaction. I've tried it - it works. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:34:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 10:50:24 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.185024.0> References: <<1998Jan12.14558.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary and all others, Thanks for the excellent tips on soldering. I am using a sal-ammoniac block for cleaning, and using Canfield 60/40 solder. Any opinions out there on the purity of this solder? I have not been using sal-ammoniac water, but will give that a try right away. I am using Weller tips, and I believe they are already "tinned". Can you explain this process to me a little more and what exactly I should be doing to "tin" my tips? What is the correct way to use my sal-ammoniac block when cleaning my tip? Although I have a book of stained glass basics, I find there are many ways to do things and I value the experience and opinion of those on the list very highly. Therefore, I would like to know your methods. My goal is definitely not to bore the pants off all the experts out there with these very elementary questions, but to benefit from your experience. You are all so great! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:41:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:38:28, -0500 Message-ID: <199801131738.MAA18888@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn writes: Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: http://www.staind-glass.com. Try: http://www.stainedglass.com/ For a site called Stained Glass Solutions. Not sure this is the site you want but it looked interesting. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:42:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 11:50:35 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.195035.0> References: <<1998Jan13.5160.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Shirley, but the one I was looking for was the Powers Brothers, = not Powell Brothers. I appreciate it though. BTW, had visited the Powel= l Brothers site before, and as I recall, they had some very unusual stai= ned glass sculptures. Moooo to the cows, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:44:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.174417.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I too got text with lines through it. I am on AOL also...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 09:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:57:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Weller 100 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:56:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.25638.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Sorry this took so long to reply on the question of the Hakko tip--I just got back to my mail messages. My tip is tinned 1/4 of the way, Mike, and I haven't had any trouble with the temp. I find my solder has a nice even bead with a high shine. I still use my Weller 100 for lead work as I know that it will not melt my lead. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 10:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:11:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:11:19 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Dawn-- No need to apologize for "elementary questions" (although I kind of enjoyed the mental image of pantless bored experts). Anyway, I think we can all learn something from hearing how others do things that we might think there's only ONE way to do.... I was surprised that not everyone knew the bit about crimping nuggets by twirling them in a jar--and am trying to think of other things of that ilk that maybe should be passed along! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 10:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:15:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.18156.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:19 13/01/98 PST, you wrote: >Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: >http://www.staind-glass.com. > >But, I am not having any luck connecting to their site at all. I keep >getting an error message. I have searched using 5 or 6 different >search engines, and still can't come up with another address. > >I did find a listing for them in one of the on-line yellow pages. They >are listed there as Powers Brothers Stained Glass. It did not list an >e-mail address for them. Although, I did find an address for a John >Powers in Scottsdale, Arizona. I sent him a message to find out if >it is the same John Powers. > >Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this >studio? > >Dawn > Could it possibly be Powell Brothers, if so their url is http://powellbrosglassart.com/index.html Some really interesting 3 dimensional stuff as well as great windows Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 10:49:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:48:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: powell bros Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:59:32 -0600 Message-ID: <199801131846.MAA06271@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just visited the powell bros site , their pieces represent a fine cross-section of styles and techniques If you notice, the flat panels are constructed for the most part using lead, and the superiority of this material is very evident in the designs..... the sharpness of line, variations of line width as a design element, and of course the enhanced structural support on the large scale pieces are well presented in the examples. For those who want to advance their skills by including leaded glass work and hopefully larger scale commissions in the future, consider visiting their site. Its a decent visual primer. A picture IS worth a thousand words Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 11:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:09:40 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this > studio? I'm not in Scottsdale (worse luck!), but I do show Powers Stained Glass 7110 E Thomas Rd Scottsdale AZ 85251 - 6319 Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 11:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:05:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:09:43 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: Dawn > Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: > http://www.staind-glass.com. > try http://www.stainedglass.com/ Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 11:25:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:24:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 12:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this > studio? > > I'm not in Scottsdale (worse luck!), but I do show > > Powers Stained Glass > 7110 E Thomas Rd > Scottsdale AZ 85251 - 6319 i'm near scottsdale (good luck!), and there is a powers brothers stained glass in the phone book. the phone number is 602 941 8272. however, i haven't been to the powers office. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 11:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ugly patina Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.92857.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm confused about George Pozan's technique. Usually when you "mud" or cement a window, you don't use patina... the process does the job for you. And why would one use soap and water on a cemented lead window... doesn't make much sense to me. A leaded window is very different from a copper foil = window and the processes for each are quite different. It sounds as though there's a little muddling of techniques here on someone's part. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 11:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Lead mills Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.9294.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all our friends in the UK for your efforts in finding a lead mill - I really appreciate it. I would appreciate it,too, if you'd = keep one ear out - maybe there's a chance yet! At some point when things slow down and I can spend some time on the computer, I'll try to post it with stainedglassbiz- didn't they have an equipment exchange on their site or am I thinking of someone else? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:10:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:14:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.211417.0> References: <<1998Jan10.19435.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jan10.19435.0@?>, dodgestudio@juno.com writes >Dani, > >If you don't mind a bit of speculation here I'll tell you what I THINK I >MAY know.... or something like that. > Very interesting set of speculations. They may be right. But, why does tallow (animal fat) work just as well (and with many fewer risks than the paste fluxes - unless you can get BSE from tallow!!) Just wondering Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:27:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weller 100 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.122433.0> References: <<1998Jan13.25638.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dianne G. Maddison wrote: > > Hi All, > Sorry this took so long to reply on the question of the Hakko tip--I > just got back to my mail messages. My tip is tinned 1/4 of the way, > Mike, and I haven't had any trouble with the temp. I find my solder has > a nice even bead with a high shine. I still use my Weller 100 for lead > work as I know that it will not melt my lead. > Dianne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i dunno, i guess i'm just used to the ungar liquifying the solder. the hakko just did'nt have the umphf for me... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: nuggets in a jar Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:38:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.93853.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I hate to admit this, but I think I missed this post. The other night I was cleaning out my mail when I was tired, and got rid of some things I didn't mean to. Could someone please explain this to me either privately ( jroey@juno.com ) or re-post. After an ordeal of foiling 100 or so small nuggets, and saying I'd never do it again, maybe there's a tip I need to know. Thanks, Jerri On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:11:19 CST 6CDT "Kaye Sodt" writes: >Dawn-- > >No need to apologize for "elementary questions" (although I kind of >enjoyed the mental image of pantless bored experts). Anyway, I think >we can all learn something from hearing how others do things that we >might think there's only ONE way to do.... > >I was surprised that not everyone knew the bit about crimping nuggets >by twirling them in a jar--and am trying to think of other things of >that ilk that maybe should be passed along! > >Kaye > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com (Gary B Dodge) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.122710.0> References: <<1998Jan12.14558.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, Canfield is a great solder, but for what it's worth, I actually prefer their 50/50! Call me crazy. As for the Weller tips, they do come pre-tinned, but not far enough up the tip for my tastes. To tin it further up you need to heat it up a lot hotter than you would ordinarily work, then rub it firmly on the block in one place (with some solder) until the block gets so hot it boils. Be sure to rub all areas you want tinned. When it is ready you will see that is is bright and shiny and the solder just runs up and down it like mercury. The block will give off choking white ammonia smoke, so work with good ventilation. As soon as the tip is read, turn the temperature control down and jab the iron into sal-ammoniac water to cool it a bit before the nice new tinning job burns off. (This is for the Weller 80 watt and higher non- controlled irons. With the 100-w you may have a hard time getting the block hot enough, especially with the 700deg, tip.) On Tue, 13 Jan 98 10:50:24 PST Dawn writes: >Gary and all others, > >Thanks for the excellent tips on soldering. I am using a >sal-ammoniac block for cleaning, and using Canfield 60/40 solder. >Any opinions out there on the purity of this solder? > >I have not been using sal-ammoniac water, but will give that a try >right away. > >I am using Weller tips, and I believe they are already "tinned". Can >you explain this process to me a little more and what exactly I should >be doing to "tin" my tips? > >What is the correct way to use my sal-ammoniac block when >cleaning my tip? > >Although I have a book of stained glass basics, I find there are >many ways to do things and I value the experience and opinion of >those on the list very highly. Therefore, I would like to know your >methods. My goal is definitely not to bore the pants off all the >experts out there with these very elementary questions, but to >benefit from your experience. You are all so great! > >Dawn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:40:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art Glass World Member Update Indian designs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:39:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.63953.0> References: <<199801132147.QAA14664@ddi.digital.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I visited their books section and on page 2, 1/3 of the way down is an indian coloring book for 80 cents. Maybe you can find your cheif there? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why flux? 'n other bits... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:44:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.224420.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:35 13/01/98 +0000, EliSabeth wrote: Have just had another "peep" at Hetley's >page and their newly created Forum in UK. Potentially it could be >absolutely GREAT!! You may have noticed, I told them to join Bungi >(Dave & Glenna - please note!!) Yes, I noticed your plug for bungi - good on ya. Also did you see that to a question about the availability and cost of kilns that Sue of Hetleys after detailing the ones they stock went on to give phone nos for alternative suppliers? A nice touch I thought, different to some other chat forums where mentions of other possible sources to the one providing the site are frowned on. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 14:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:53:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: nuggets in a jar Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 17:55:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199801132253.RAA14607@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri wrote: > I hate to admit this, but I think I missed this post. The other >night I was cleaning out my mail when I was tired, and got rid of some >things I didn't mean to. Could someone please explain this to me either >privately ( jroey@juno.com ) or re-post. After an ordeal of foiling 100 >or so small nuggets, and saying I'd never do it again, maybe there's a >tip I need to know. Suzanne answers: Too bad, Jerri, you missed a wonderful opportunity to foil your nuggets easily. Foil them as usual and push the foil down with your fingers loosely. Drop each nugget as you are finished, into a plastic jar of some kind, and shake the bejeesus out of it. Voila, they will all be crimped tightly and ready to use. It's magic. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 15:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 18:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199801132258.RAA14999@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > >Thanks for the excellent tips on soldering. I am using a >sal-ammoniac block for cleaning, and using Canfield 60/40 solder. >Any opinions out there on the purity of this solder? I found a little "tip tinner" called, I believe, Multi-Core. It's from England and I get it at Warner-Crivellaro. Just a tiny little round thing that you rub your iron in and it's immediately nice and shiny. Costs about $6. It sure beats the sal-ammoniac block. Seems lately Canfield isn't as pure as I thought. I've tried Hirsch and like that a lot better. Also one called AVM, or something like that, says it uses "virgin metals." Not so much crud to wipe off. Hope this helps you, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 15:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:40:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.234058.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I sure do appreciate all the tips on soldering, as I got into fusing pretty hot and heavy for awhile (no pun intended) and when I "came back" to soldering I found that I had apparently lost something and was having many problems. One thing I haven't tried is the sal amoniac water. I think I'd have trouble with this for two reasons - correct me if I'm wrong here, but: #1 - I have a fear of water + elecricity + metal #2 - water + metal tips = rusty tips. Do they not? Maybe it's fine, but it sounds kinda scary 8 { Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 15:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Where's the mail Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:40:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.234036.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk One of the things I look forward to every night is sitting down at the computer, checking my email, and learning a few stained glass tips while I am at it. BUT.......I haven't gotten any Bungi mail in a few days:-( I know I am mostly a lurker, but I read the letters faithfully. If something happened please re-subscribe me....I need my glass fix:-) Thanks, Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 16:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:05:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANL Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: large panel construction? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:49:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan13.234916.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Any suggestions on how best to approach this project will be greatly appreciated ... A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They don't want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan to hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the panel. Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, but that we use wood moulding to hold it in place, or else the clear acrylic clips. But will the zinc support the weight even if it's sitting rather than hanging? Would adding rebar help? (I guess it would have to be soldered to the border zinc, since there's no wood frame to tie into.) This is the biggest panel I've ever tackled! I'm a little out of my league ... Thanks for help! Marilyn ANLGlass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 16:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:07:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.14646.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good question, Steve, why does tallow work? And why does oleic acid work? Does that mean linoleic acid should work, too? Has anyone ever tried using olive oil? Maybe = we should do some trial runs with everyday items and see what's to discover - a new and cleaner/better vegetarian flux?? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 16:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:24:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.13367.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have not had any crash problems using MSIE4 with MS Outlook Express as the e-mail product. I am able to filter messages from any source into individual folders. All my bungi mail goes into a "stained glass" folder, and they are all sorted by "thread" and thus all together for ease of reading. I also know that my ISP catches spams B4 they get to me so I get none of that. BTW, for those of you experiencing these problems if you haven't already, please check with your ISP. My sympathy to all of you having this problem -----Original Message----- From: Don McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! -- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 16:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Nightlights Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.134530.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How has anyone solved this problem w/ nitelights/ At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the receptacle has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical installation. Since I don't like my "tulips" growing sideways, I'm looking for a way to handle this situation. Any ideas? Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 16:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:39:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.143823.0> References: <<1998Jan13.234058.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shopfreaks wrote: > > I sure do appreciate all the tips on soldering, as I got into fusing pretty > hot and heavy for awhile (no pun intended) and when I "came back" to soldering > I found that I had apparently lost something and was having many problems. > One thing I haven't tried is the sal amoniac water. I think I'd have trouble > with this for two reasons - correct me if I'm wrong here, but: > > #1 - I have a fear of water + elecricity + metal > #2 - water + metal tips = rusty tips. Do they not? > > Maybe it's fine, but it sounds kinda scary 8 { > > Theresa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've never heard of sal amoniac water. but you would'nt be dipping something electrical in it, you would be dipping something hot into it. the tips are usaully made of copper or steel, but are usaully tinned, so it won't really rust. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 17:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:02:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.15117.0> References: <<1998Jan13.134530.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb Adler wrote: > > How has anyone solved this problem w/ nitelights/ > At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the receptacle > has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical > installation. > Since I don't like my "tulips" growing sideways, I'm looking for a way to > handle this situation. Any ideas? > > Herb in Orlando > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe they make sideways night lights. or maybe you can make the light flat, but twice the size as normal, so it covers everything. it might look a little silly though. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 17:24:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:22:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.132245.0> References: <<1998Jan13.14646.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Well Dani, Hey Dani, This sounded like such fun, I did a little experimenting with common households "acids". The following are my personal results using a Weller l00 iron with 800 tip. These figures are based using Glastar Gel Flux being rated at 10: 100% Lye w/enough water to make paste 0 Household ammonia 0 Vinegar (5% acidity) 4 Olive oil 4 Lemon Juice (reconstituted) 8 50/50% Lemon Juice/Olive Oil 6 Patchouli oil 2 (but it smelled great!) All these tests were done with clean flux brushes on copper foil (7/32" black-back) and Canfield 50/50 solder. Feeling like Bill Nye, The Science Guy or Mr. Wizard, Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Dani Greer wrote: > > Good question, Steve, why > does tallow work? And why > does oleic acid work? Does > that mean linoleic acid should > work, too? Has anyone ever > tried using olive oil? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 17:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:44:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SSparks99 From: SSparks99 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:26:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.12651.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To anyone using AOL, please put the word out that AOL wants to charge those people using AOL an extra fee on top of the $19.95 per month already charged for unlimited usage. 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I personally say GO TO BELLSOUTH --part0_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PhatBrat38 Return-path: To: HITZlovr7@aol.com, MegBRAT485@aol.com, Ikeypooo17@aol.com, MiniCobra@aol.com, TLC2019@aol.com, Tchdwn04@aol.com, BaBE1214@aol.com, WarMatrix@aol.com, SKell044@aol.com, Schotzy4u@aol.com, Paid4byGOD@aol.com, Slygrl3@aol.com, Blonde594@aol.com, Xsporty27@aol.com, SMDAC@aol.com, Angel9607@aol.com, BerryJulia@aol.com, Rockets936@aol.com, Jch230@aol.com, JGHdude@aol.com, Blakpidgn@aol.com, MINNIE387@aol.com, POLOGIRL29@aol.com, BKAUSHER@aol.com, Chica5944@aol.com, Thriller59@aol.com, EKing13836@aol.com, Tessalyne@aol.com, LadyXDiedX@aol.com, Druid53935@aol.com, Ladidrago@aol.com, Kayy718@aol.com, Smiley2915@aol.com, LadySarah3@aol.com, AnthOnAcid@aol.com, ILuvLeo75@aol.com, VAMPSLAYOR@aol.com, TheCat1986@aol.com, Queen765@aol.com, TatiannaK@aol.com, Akira235@aol.com, SHHHH12345@aol.com, SNOWBDR19@aol.com, Jennie4946@aol.com, NikeAir504@aol.com, SMH17ft@aol.com, Tieka2@aol.com, Cartman823@aol.com, Escort33@aol.com, Cuban1@aol.com, Bobby3811@aol.com, Pizon011@aol.com, Beaver53@aol.com, HitzAngel@aol.com, Dobermanpz@aol.com, Brohein@aol.com, RonVor@aol.com, CheerTSA@aol.com, ADIDAS7034@aol.com, Jewel81336@aol.com, Rabbit20@aol.com, Hogwild321@aol.com, RFJY@aol.com, Explbg@aol.com, BeastShift@aol.com, Blondiann@aol.com, Tweetsang@aol.com, DREDEVIL@aol.com, SSparks99@aol.com, Kathdncr@aol.com, CATGIRL295@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:24:00 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_884741213_boundary" --part1_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part1_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Juliet8658 Return-path: To: Juliet21@aol.com, Juliet23@aol.com, Juliet69@aol.com, Smiley21@aol.com, Smiley23@aol.com, Smiley2442@aol.com, D00kieBoy@aol.com, OoFLyGirL@aol.com, Shmuboy@aol.com, Rj101284@aol.com, Jhlwd97@aol.com, Frenchy517@aol.com, LINKINGLOG@aol.com, MrGrim12@aol.com, Woof118@aol.com, IisLaura@aol.com, Bear622208@aol.com, Chels8885@aol.com, PoloGal450@aol.com, ShOrTyRoQx@aol.com, NIRVANA960@aol.com, MADCOW611@aol.com, Hippie843@aol.com, Wiccat7734@aol.com, PhatBrat38@aol.com, Sunniedaze@aol.com, FrogGuy84@aol.com, BADBOYEEC@aol.com, SMM420@aol.com, GBsetter@aol.com, Deadeye125@aol.com, Missnancy1@aol.com, LARS1029@aol.com, O2COOL1234@aol.com, BRAT9222@aol.com, Meenukat@aol.com, CyberMax4@aol.com, THELUMIX@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:46 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_884741213_boundary" --part2_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.5> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is total Bullshit extra money for chat rooms I this AOL should just go FUCK itself Katy --part2_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.6> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Teddy91632 Return-path: To: NJGirl87@aol.com, NACKER78@aol.com, Geri2426@aol.com, Emma105966@aol.com, Blonde1444@aol.com, Firstg@aol.com, Antricans@aol.com, JBUBA3805@aol.com, BigPopa44@aol.com, SirSable@aol.com, Jinjer103@aol.com, Juliet8658@aol.com, Sweetypy@aol.com, Swimma13@aol.com, Nothinker@aol.com, AliLee24@aol.com, MissBrat11@aol.com, JustC1582@aol.com, Eeyore1187@aol.com, Hardiway9@aol.com, GGordong2@aol.com, KelDundee@aol.com, SammieR123@aol.com, Cassieroni@aol.com, Sheppy7219@aol.com, Deth4U2@aol.com, Ballerina7@aol.com, TazzFl@aol.com, CoolGi4672@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:52:56 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part3_884741213_boundary" --part3_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.7> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part3_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.8> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Daffney16 Return-path: To: Antricans@aol.com, NACKER78@aol.com, BigPoppa44@aol.com, JBUBA3805@aol.com, Teddy91632@aol.com, GIRL1462@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:53:45 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part4_884741213_boundary" --part4_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.9> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part4_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.10> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TUBB16 Return-path: To: Daffney16@aol.com, Cap5276@aol.com, Candy194@aol.com, HollyF69@aol.com, Godlov7638@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:55:35 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part5_884741213_boundary" --part5_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.11> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part5_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.12> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Chiksr7026 Return-path: To: Qwijibow@aol.com, PurpleChld@aol.com, TUBB16@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:47:58 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part6_884741213_boundary" --part6_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.13> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part6_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.14> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TINY CLUTS Return-path: To: sat_4@hotmail.com, CITO311@aol.com, GirlyGi783@aol.com, Kelfive@aol.com, SCATR5864@aol.com, HwnHuney@aol.com, GroovyME4u@aol.com, Monkey7338@aol.com, FreakSh0w8@aol.com, Lins83@aol.com, Lildaisy8@aol.com, Honey0187@aol.com, Pisha10@aol.com, Chiskabob@aol.com, O0sa0O@aol.com, SMILE4U725@aol.com, PimpnSA311@aol.com, SONOFABOMB@aol.com, AmazingAsh@aol.com, Eclipser11@aol.com, Muizz@aol.com, Fijians@aol.com, AtQoUoA@aol.com, Meow973122@aol.com, Dreamgr606@aol.com, ShaShaRee@aol.com, SMatsumoto@aol.com, SmartAngel@aol.com, SccrBg@aol.com, BaByGIrL6@aol.com, OKSk8er@aol.com, Stefff999@aol.com, SILKDOV@aol.com, SgrRay13@aol.com, Luvbomb99@aol.com, JVGirl31@aol.com, TearBox@aol.com, Chiksr7026@aol.com, CinBa85@aol.com, ViXen25180@aol.com, BLuEeYe191@aol.com, LocaleAM@aol.com, Sugar659xX@aol.com, RSSpam@aol.com Subject: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:06:41 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part7_884741213_boundary" --part7_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.15> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part7_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.16> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HwnHuney Return-path: To: TINYCLUTS@aol.com, DJM32@aol.com, Kittnpurr@aol.com, RipPopGo@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:57:23 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part8_884741213_boundary" --part8_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.17> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part8_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.18> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PRMillette Return-path: To: Brennalex@aol.com, Terrymeena@aol.com, WelchCA@aol.com, Polka781@aol.com, Ugconn14@aol.com, AMIE32575@aol.com, MPRICE3222@aol.com, Yvonnerg@aol.com, MARIE202@aol.com, CropGrower@aol.com, CropRaiser@aol.com, JOKER729@aol.com, GYSYZY@aol.com, SUNSH91822@aol.com, Janec0925@aol.com, CMAY517@aol.com, CrazMH@aol.com, CINRIC989@aol.com, FoxyRoxyUT@aol.com, GOLD102498@aol.com, HwnHuney@aol.com, JUJOE@aol.com, Drjdjsand@aol.com, DG2824@aol.com, Copperrays@aol.com, A1piggeon@aol.com, RLeon02370@aol.com, VJWelch@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:01:30 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part9_884741213_boundary" --part9_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.19> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part9_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.20> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ShortyDMM Return-path: To: PRMillette@aol.com, Mbmad1218@aol.com, Ugconn14@aol.com, WelchCA@aol.com, Mason217@aol.com, Kaylee2222@aol.com, JOPOK@aol.com, Nmwalw@aol.com, Rockdog01@aol.com, DrewCary01@aol.com, SKprincess@aol.com, JSKITTLE23@aol.com, GSCanuck@aol.com, TEEN914@aol.com, Tazz12F@aol.com, Sugar1389@aol.com, Shane2002@aol.com, Kip86@aol.com, XprincessO@aol.com, GriND311@aol.com, Keri407@aol.com, BRADNY206@aol.com, TTIGER30@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:49:28 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part10_884741213_boundary" --part10_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.21> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII THANK YOU FOR HELPING US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) --part10_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.22> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TmyGirl121 Return-path: To: JODlCoyote@aol.com, BellBoy12@aol.com, Adidas6322@aol.com, PrepRox@aol.com, ANGEL9633@aol.com, Bc9853@aol.com, Sexyboy604@aol.com, Tsc22222@aol.com, PhatCatty@aol.com, LuvingKell@aol.com, LILJESSE12@aol.com, BagOglass@aol.com, DDXOSiRuS3@aol.com, SouthSam98@aol.com, Jr1004@aol.com, JoeCool715@aol.com, TMAN55@aol.com, WIERDO2939@aol.com, HErule@aol.com, Oldskoo02@aol.com, BANANI1@aol.com, JLINSETH@aol.com, Truckin186@aol.com, Sealangel@aol.com, Princebob@aol.com, Joekool367@aol.com, Situhaddad@aol.com, ShortyDMM@aol.com, Fifilafif1@aol.com, AirNikeRDR@aol.com, CalJosh2@aol.com, TLinvi8472@aol.com, Coarsair2@aol.com, HaRdWO0D@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:54:58 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part11_884741213_boundary" --part11_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.23> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-01-02 15:00:29 EST, Polo54678 writes: << Subj: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please >> --part11_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.24> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Polo54678 Return-path: To: Adidas6322@aol.com, PrepRox@aol.com, Linda13463@aol.com, GEORGEU1@aol.com, Cookie587@aol.com, Cherry324@aol.com, LUCKY69647@aol.com, Baluska@aol.com, IBLGBMAN@aol.com, ZAPCARGO@aol.com, TmyGirl121@aol.com, FndrStrat1@aol.com, ShortGuyAM@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:00:29 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part12_884741213_boundary" --part12_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.25> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part12_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.26> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: LaurnScott Return-path: To: Bonnie566@aol.com, ICplays18@aol.com, Miestie@aol.com, Whiner1216@aol.com, ICE696969@aol.com, Pearls126@aol.com, Candyro227@aol.com, Twrman101@aol.com, Lusttodust@aol.com, JOHNNY3481@aol.com, GBCMO@aol.com, Jarek3@aol.com, JBE01@aol.com, KBrown8398@aol.com, Nip777@aol.com, SAndrus923@aol.com, Bangsy11@aol.com, Jezeyguy@aol.com, Qqqq665051@aol.com, CheerBrit1@aol.com, CTiGhT97@aol.com, PATSYWLD@aol.com, Cheer58936@aol.com, Coolk74974@aol.com, Himatenes@aol.com, Polo54678@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:29:32 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part13_884741213_boundary" --part13_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.27> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part13_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.28> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SthPark420 Return-path: To: LaurnScott@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:10:59 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part14_884741213_boundary" --part14_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.29> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part14_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.30> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Spree15TRU Return-path: To: KyleSP34@aol.com, Dream996@aol.com, Bobby69058@aol.com, LHavens495@aol.com, Srvtheball@aol.com, SuzanneFX@aol.com, SthPark420@aol.com, Climbn4fun@aol.com, Hanson0510@aol.com, Nautygyrl1@aol.com, Scorpio982@aol.com, JRB3219224@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:19:58 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part15_884741213_boundary" --part15_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.31> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part15_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.32> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Shame175 Return-path: To: Spree15TRU@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:58:07 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part16_884741213_boundary" --part16_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.33> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part16_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.34> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: NiRvAnA16 Return-path: To: PRoDiGyM1@aol.com, BJTactor@aol.com, Curly0055@aol.com, WUZUP9991@aol.com, Shame175@aol.com, Busharmy12@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:17:56 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part17_884741213_boundary" --part17_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.35> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I WILL TAKE U TO COURT AOL! I HAVE A LETTER FROM STEVE CASE AS EVIDENCE SAYING THAT THEIR WILL BE UNLIMITED USE OF ALL AREAS! WATCH YOUR BACK AOL! --part17_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.36> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sekcergoat Return-path: To: NiRvAnA16@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:16:19 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part18_884741213_boundary" --part18_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.37> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part18_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.38> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: VVolffe Return-path: To: STUFF33@aol.com, MadmTater@aol.com, Sheerio01@aol.com, Redd2120@aol.com, Gloomyjoy@aol.com, Sekcergoat@aol.com, MRhodes621@aol.com, TazRex@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:26:19 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part19_884741213_boundary" --part19_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.39> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part19_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.40> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HDPerkey Return-path: To: Orchidd444@aol.com, Loyd2@aol.com, Jen0411@aol.com, Blackcrow@aol.com, Polymorphs@aol.com, Flndwndrnk@aol.com, VVolffe@aol.com Cc: Bicepman13@aol.com, JWelch5139@aol.com, Waterfal29@aol.com, HDPerkey@aol.com, Spitzspot@juno.com, Cyberchic16@juno.com, Cyberman22@juno.com, VeronicaH3@aol.com, BrowniGrly@aol.com, Redd2120@aol.com, arodriguez1@juno.com, ClnSwpsCo@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:40:30 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part20_884741213_boundary" --part20_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.41> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part20_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.42> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ANr1313 Return-path: To: JCnest@aol.com Cc: CHEEKARODY@aol.com, RMyers254@aol.com, Smile005@aol.com, Dayyzze@aol.com, LEEDAA@aol.com, ANGEL18267@aol.com, FrankWVU@aol.com, CutieT13@aol.com, SunFlwrs26@aol.com, FlyBy400@aol.com, Packers641@aol.com, FlaPrncess@aol.com, LitlHarp@aol.com, Jumpin2Win@aol.com, Mobley1000@aol.com, Sweet72935@aol.com, Ali7816@aol.com, Cute4u922@aol.com, Surfer2330@aol.com, BadBaer@aol.com, STaylor934@aol.com, Chic15@aol.com, Hello58264@aol.com, HDPerkey@aol.com, KPo7041346@aol.com, Sugar43876@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:52:03 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part21_884741213_boundary" --part21_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.43> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part21_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.44> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MandiL6399 Return-path: To: ANr1313@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:16:27 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part22_884741213_boundary" --part22_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.45> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part22_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.46> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Trox13 Return-path: To: Romeo2U4U@aol.com, FATCATP@aol.com, MandiL6399@aol.com, KARO9210@aol.com, Zapmsz@aol.com, Johnca18@aol.com, FireGlo7@aol.com, Sonic10300@aol.com, MLTrox@aol.com, GeoTrox@aol.com, DGross930@aol.com, MrJoeBlo@aol.com, RUSSHUNTER@aol.com, Hasshunter@aol.com, Chips92@aol.com, Ace011385@aol.com, Try2Cme921@aol.com, GNMFLIP@aol.com, Snifflyfro@aol.com, Thunder105@aol.com, Dance11684@aol.com, KCW441@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:39:53 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part23_884741213_boundary" --part23_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.47> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Please send to everyone! --part23_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.48> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DreamTeach Return-path: To: Trox13@aol.com, Rocko013@aol.com, CICDOC@aol.com, PLY2@aol.com, Jeffro022@aol.com, FtballRef@aol.com, Txfella69@aol.com, MCDplayer@aol.com, Klkbug@aol.com, SugarJenni@aol.com, Hoodym@aol.com, RAMS4ME@aol.com, BIGDOG4US@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:27:53 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part24_884741213_boundary" --part24_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.49> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part24_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.50> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sliderman0 Return-path: To: DreamTeach@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:09:34 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part25_884741213_boundary" --part25_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.51> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part25_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.52> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gelfin847 Return-path: To: Sliderman0@aol.com Cc: Gelfin847@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:01:41 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part26_884741213_boundary" --part26_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.53> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part26_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.54> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Punch224 Return-path: To: MASWIL@aol.com, Jadde98@aol.com, DoubleLB@aol.com, VeryUneek1@aol.com, Foxthing4u@aol.com, RMitch8030@aol.com, AhLeah4@aol.com, Gelfin847@aol.com, Lauren9446@aol.com, Knightwins@aol.com, Beauty7570@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:47:57 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part27_884741213_boundary" --part27_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.55> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII please read and sign --part27_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.56> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ROBJON Return-path: To: ANGLEWALK@aol.com, Punch224@aol.com, Jway79@aol.com, Hooter6621@aol.com, Missyjo@aol.com, ShyBabyT@aol.com, NomadGrl@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:40:24 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part28_884741213_boundary" --part28_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.57> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII please send on to people you know... --part28_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.58> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SkeetVaugh Return-path: To: Mattt4@aol.com, BOBOMORTON@aol.com, BJohn10435@aol.com, CassadaX4@aol.com, BranchLybg@aol.com, ROBJON@aol.com, DizzyDrip@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:30:29 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part29_884741213_boundary" --part29_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.59> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII this is a bunch o' shit --part29_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.60> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HotWire96 Return-path: To: SkeetVaugh@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:38:45 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part30_884741213_boundary" --part30_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.61> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part30_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.62> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: RocknSkate Return-path: To: HotWire96@aol.com, Dance2BeMe@aol.com, JasonWheel@aol.com, SLZ8@aol.com, MAMAKIN13@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:38:36 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part31_884741213_boundary" --part31_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.63> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is stupid!!! --part31_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.64> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MAMAKIN13 Return-path: To: AliJane007@aol.com, Brasartin@aol.com, Rbyfntsy@aol.com, LdyErato@aol.com, Buglet789@aol.com, Cutie8844@aol.com, WeloveADAM@aol.com, Nastafied@aol.com, Celeste913@aol.com, RocknSkate@aol.com, MacLeod214@aol.com, Talula500@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:16:12 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part32_884741213_boundary" --part32_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.65> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!! PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. FROM MAMAKIN13 --part32_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.66> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PoetJenny Return-path: To: MAMAKIN13@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:37:26 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part33_884741213_boundary" --part33_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.67> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part33_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.68> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ALF9871 Return-path: To: PoetJenny@aol.com Cc: OriaSD@aol.com, JulesJWM@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:05:41 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part34_884741213_boundary" --part34_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.69> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sorry if youre getting this again...I just felt like sending it to people --part34_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.70> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: EmprRcrdNH Return-path: To: Magelit@aol.com, OriaSD@aol.com, JBUGSYM@aol.com, missworld610@hotmail.com, Ocalaka@aol.com, SandyLou82@aol.com, ALLYCAT205@aol.com, ALF9871@aol.com, Karana321@aol.com, KWBierman@aol.com, JulesJWM@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:40:11 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part35_884741213_boundary" --part35_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.71> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part35_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.72> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ALLYCAT205 Return-path: To: Bullgirl16@aol.com Cc: KWBierman@aol.com, MIRACL6782@aol.com, Hirschy17@aol.com, EmprRcrdNH@aol.com, Flower0019@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:37:54 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part36_884741213_boundary" --part36_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.73> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 12/9/97 7:21:34 PM, PoetJenny wrote: <> --part36_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.74> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PoetJenny Return-path: To: ALLYCAT205@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:21:34 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part37_884741213_boundary" --part37_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.75> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part37_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.76> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Drummer484 Return-path: To: PoetJenny@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:22:54 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part38_884741213_boundary" --part38_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.77> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part38_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.78> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Lolo MH Return-path: To: Blankman71@aol.com Cc: WhteRse512@aol.com, Kayla93105@aol.com, Valox@aol.com, Carmen9782@aol.com, Soccer2628@aol.com, Night331@aol.com, Drummer484@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:54:21 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part39_884741213_boundary" --part39_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.79> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part39_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.80> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SSteff14 Return-path: To: LoloMH@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:18:36 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part40_884741213_boundary" --part40_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.81> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part40_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.82> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Dill895 Return-path: To: SSteff14@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:02:01 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part41_884741213_boundary" --part41_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.83> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part41_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.84> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CUTSIE2502 Return-path: To: Dill895@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:07:09 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part42_884741213_boundary" --part42_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.85> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part42_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.86> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Anthonyl16 Return-path: To: kjnelson@juno.com, BLAIRE888@aol.com, Brandy4533@aol.com, TrueBlue@aol.com, Mkahane@aol.com, GUNTER03@aol.com, Sorceresce@aol.com, DeJaVu2121@aol.com, CUTSIE2502@aol.com, John246143@aol.com, HydroMint@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 03:49:14 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part43_884741213_boundary" --part43_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.87> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part43_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.88> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: BLAIRE888 Return-path: To: ParaClara@aol.com, Muffin3637@aol.com, DottyK12@aol.com, Yodafish13@aol.com, PascalWal@aol.com, Leviatan15@aol.com, KKJOE@aol.com, TKLmyELMO4@aol.com, Chrisb6969@aol.com, Lorenzo903@aol.com, Mary145@aol.com, OLdNaV1071@aol.com, Leslie1133@aol.com, KTJHS2000@aol.com, Cheeze16@aol.com, Jessie1134@aol.com, Bether8007@aol.com, AboSchmabo@aol.com, Amazin67@aol.com, AlbanyGuy1@aol.com, Imedorrae@aol.com, Lang116@aol.com, ChemBro14@aol.com, Anthonyl16@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:01 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part44_884741213_boundary" --part44_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.89> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part44_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.90> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CrazzyBaoy Return-path: To: BaBy158@aol.com, BLAIRE888@aol.com, NetGod2@aol.com, Mary145@aol.com, ERRIN1@aol.com, Jmesue1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:32:53 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part45_884741213_boundary" --part45_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.91> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part45_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.92> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ILV2DIVWU Return-path: To: CrazzyBaoy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:45:38 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part46_884741213_boundary" --part46_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.93> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is important to read and forward to all you know! Kathy --part46_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.94> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TWENTYX3 Return-path: To: CarGrly@aol.com, DASKANT@aol.com, TMorr49180@aol.com, Knghtt@aol.com, CHILLYR@aol.com, Murr20@aol.com, HOWZ2@aol.com, ILV2DIVWU@aol.com, GEORGEBOWL@aol.com, TJones6978@aol.com, Smiles844@aol.com, HARDDR51@aol.com, Murky65@aol.com, Cherrishxx@aol.com, DensCour@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:01:32 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part47_884741213_boundary" --part47_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.95> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part47_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.96> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Donkie8 Return-path: To: Hushy@aol.com, Sosumi13@aol.com, C3PO15@aol.com, HoneeBeeMe@aol.com, Reeaally@aol.com, EggGirl0@aol.com, Cocotte02@aol.com, Bratt10313@aol.com, Rak404@aol.com, BBirnstiel@aol.com, Noodles333@aol.com, TLCfrskyrh@aol.com, Froggiiee@aol.com, ALRRAVEN@aol.com, MiAltrEgo@aol.com, LisaCappy@aol.com, Nrsforyou@aol.com, dmb420@hotmail.com, JCastro617@aol.com, TWENTYX3@aol.com, Megane24@aol.com, CarGrly@aol.com, LSure88@aol.com, Shari699@aol.com, Mdina1@aol.com, One4JsGirl@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:27:01 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part48_884741213_boundary" --part48_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.97> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have sent this too you all but here it is again. Sorry. --part48_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.98> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Mdina1 Return-path: To: Donkie8@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:24:56 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part49_884741213_boundary" --part49_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.99> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part49_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.100> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Hockeyted Return-path: To: GirlyCh613@aol.com, Sunshn1156@aol.com, JSzabo1996@aol.com, Bittie81@aol.com, ECLftFlank@aol.com, MedHeadGrl@aol.com, Mdina1@aol.com, Copley14@aol.com, Five4nmore@aol.com, Shorte2323@aol.com, KAYSLHE92@aol.com, GIrLeY17@aol.com, Shnerks@aol.com, Akr1234905@aol.com, Higgsg@aol.com, CattandRat@aol.com, Lster6969@aol.com, TazJRK@aol.com, Raptorr7@aol.com, Icegrl1984@aol.com, Poetgr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:18:48 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part50_884741213_boundary" --part50_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.101> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part50_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.102> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: KKPFulton Return-path: To: Shelley382@aol.com, Kelly8019@aol.com, Ka026@aol.com, CountryQt5@aol.com, Lins303@aol.com, SPieroski@aol.com, MITZGAL@aol.com, Missy17319@aol.com, Panda7527@aol.com, Hockeyted@aol.com, GRUNBY@aol.com, Jas2826119@aol.com, Jjkkttss@aol.com, KKGHfan@aol.com, NDellner@aol.com, Alfalfa623@aol.com, KrsteR@aol.com, EvilyMe@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:32:28 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part51_884741213_boundary" --part51_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.103> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part51_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.104> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TCowboys Return-path: To: PBrads7191@aol.com, Blkbl@aol.com, STebbe0000@aol.com, KKGHfan@aol.com, SunStarr85@aol.com, CINNABUNS1@aol.com, KKPFulton@aol.com, SAVAGEXX@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:24:51 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part52_884741213_boundary" --part52_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.105> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part52_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.106> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: KHC12386 Return-path: To: WeRradikal@aol.com, TCowboys@aol.com, Kellyturtl@aol.com, MUFutbol@aol.com, LAXMGM13@aol.com, EvelDevel@aol.com, JPasciak@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:22:42 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part53_884741213_boundary" --part53_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.107> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part53_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.108> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Kreep10 Return-path: To: Lizrad22@aol.com, KHC12386@aol.com, Jeffrad22@aol.com, GPIRISH99@aol.com, Dirtcat17@aol.com, Meshack10@aol.com, Joyful411@aol.com, KickIt5678@aol.com, Wilburrpig@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:00:11 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part54_884741213_boundary" --part54_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.109> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part54_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.110> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Crazforu Return-path: To: Blitzboy84@aol.com, Craz4you2@aol.com, Sircow@aol.com, MinkMag@aol.com, Hoho1116@aol.com, PSalameh@aol.com, BDolphin44@aol.com, Kreep10@aol.com, CMeNow22@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:29:53 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part55_884741213_boundary" --part55_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.111> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part55_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.112> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Haleh16 Return-path: To: Crazforu@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:34:44 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part56_884741213_boundary" --part56_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.113> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part56_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.114> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Part86 Return-path: To: Haleh16@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:45:40 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part57_884741213_boundary" --part57_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.115> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part57_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.116> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Shanners99 Return-path: To: Part86@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:19:32 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part58_884741213_boundary" --part58_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.117> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part58_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.118> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Concon617 Return-path: To: YeLoSnOmAn@aol.com Cc: Busta19@aol.com, PrinceJayy@aol.com, BROM25@aol.com, Blitzboy84@aol.com, Shanners99@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:01:57 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part59_884741213_boundary" --part59_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.119> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part59_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.120> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: APo622 Return-path: To: Concon617@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:15:15 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part60_884741213_boundary" --part60_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.121> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part60_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.122> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AGooF2U Return-path: To: NOZEU@aol.com, CATSHELHAR@aol.com, Elven19@aol.com, Angela2677@aol.com, ApopkaMel@aol.com, Girlslovr@aol.com, Eaglei16@aol.com, Abes33@aol.com, Tatula106@aol.com, Lottoman@aol.com, APo622@aol.com, Andy2521@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:13:17 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part61_884741213_boundary" --part61_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.123> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part61_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.124> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SPOOFED948 Return-path: To: Soma1971@aol.com, Banana52@aol.com, Tigger27a@aol.com, Lud0050@aol.com, MFamigh829@aol.com, NYCHICK014@aol.com, JBean31482@aol.com, RachelRSK@aol.com, AScott1000@aol.com, Gumby003@aol.com, OASISIS1@aol.com, SAU17FF@aol.com, Ag869@aol.com, Pbear13135@aol.com, Coopie1281@aol.com, Fruity17@aol.com, Smokie82@aol.com, TMcub@aol.com, T0TALFLIRT@aol.com, AGooF2U@aol.com, SOPHCCHS97@aol.com, Madcows666@aol.com, FlashFan1@aol.com, Dimonz@aol.com, KBLONDIE2@aol.com, Smoooth411@aol.com, Sp0oF16@aol.com, BigPickel1@aol.com, BriRej@aol.com, Flight18@aol.com, TBROWNIE2@aol.com, TheNeri9@aol.com, IRONLUNGJ@aol.com, Kev31607@aol.com, UNDERT0W@aol.com, STORRRMY@aol.com, NikeGirl04@aol.com, Scifiluvr@aol.com, Bubba44708@aol.com, KimmyK14@aol.com, HONEY91291@aol.com, MBLJP@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:09:04 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part62_884741213_boundary" --part62_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.125> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part62_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.126> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sp0oF16 Return-path: To: EMD147@aol.com Cc: LAZrdgTAZ@aol.com, Madcows666@aol.com, DAISY65324@aol.com, AIMEE27369@aol.com, BigPickel1@aol.com, Flight18@aol.com, Gotaluv69@aol.com, TheBEAST55@aol.com, RodeRigo22@aol.com, KrazyGrl16@aol.com, SPOOFED948@aol.com, Coopie1281@aol.com, Ithaca79@aol.com, Isaby@aol.com, DEWYSQUARE@aol.com, Jewels117@aol.com, Jayme785@aol.com, Romance321@aol.com, LuvYa710@aol.com, Bubble7119@aol.com, XnCnHomerJ@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:06:07 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part63_884741213_boundary" --part63_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.127> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part63_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.128> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sk8ter3748 Return-path: To: MorbidRain@aol.com, Aptom9@aol.com, ElaStiKguY@aol.com, Kain305@aol.com, QueenTool@aol.com, OPiVyGrL44@aol.com, TooLPoeT@aol.com, Starla447@aol.com, Sp0oF16@aol.com, ROOKIE3@aol.com, LMKAP@aol.com, ZzSk8zZ@aol.com, TOkeRGirL@aol.com, Brohymn420@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:55:47 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part64_884741213_boundary" --part64_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.129> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII DONT LET THEM --part64_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.130> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: OPiVyGrL44 Return-path: To: Sk8ter3748@aol.com, Opivy234@aol.com, Oioioitsr@aol.com, PeACePnK32@aol.com, LiLPunK32@aol.com, ZoOYOrK09@aol.com, MxPx85@aol.com, Punkguy205@aol.com, LagWag83@aol.com, StrungOutA@aol.com, RascelKing@aol.com, DaDeftones@aol.com, Deadsk8r@aol.com, XUxFxOX@aol.com, Ska2punk@aol.com, PUNK666271@aol.com, SXe15@aol.com, PUNKROKNIK@aol.com, ZeroCoolst@aol.com, WARISDUM@aol.com, D1sNcHAntD@aol.com, InKOREct@aol.com, Sniper4fun@aol.com, Furry66@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:29:32 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part65_884741213_boundary" --part65_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.131> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part65_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.132> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: X24x7PUNX Return-path: To: OPiVyGrL44@aol.com, BRAT287522@aol.com, HaZy69@aol.com, Saradoangl@aol.com, MBCrusty@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:24 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part66_884741213_boundary" --part66_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.133> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part66_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.134> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Aw1999 Return-path: To: Slash545@aol.com, X24x7PUNX@aol.com, Squirel911@aol.com, Straw039@aol.com, HannahYC@aol.com, BRAT287522@aol.com, Junior677@aol.com, VINCE90@aol.com, Sjmrg@aol.com, PANRCN@aol.com, Goodney@aol.com, CHIC500@aol.com, LaydBack16@aol.com, AJulyAngel@aol.com, Nik00girl@aol.com, Campdogg@aol.com, Surfer2383@aol.com, Cdogthe1@aol.com, Iswek22@aol.com, HJNicol@aol.com, AjS222@aol.com, MKaynor@aol.com, Mahongy@aol.com, Weebug@aol.com, Macg84@aol.com, DBazen@aol.com, Tigerfan9@aol.com, JW275@aol.com, TxRebel7@aol.com, WeezelAl@aol.com, FlaReefs@aol.com, Junk527868@aol.com, REDHOT1020@aol.com, PRCAheeler@aol.com, GoodspeedB@aol.com, HOT21NYPR@aol.com, MBASHEER@aol.com, PILLTD@aol.com, IronMan400@aol.com, MaNpLaYa@aol.com, ABailey911@aol.com, Nohome62@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:49:28 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part67_884741213_boundary" --part67_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.135> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part67_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.136> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MFSLDG428 Return-path: To: MARILYN812@aol.com, TSHEL98@aol.com, Aw1999@aol.com, Powder1515@aol.com, Violette47@aol.com, KBM1016@aol.com, Moses138@aol.com, JKetter512@aol.com, MAHUN16@aol.com, Trendklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:47:50 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part68_884741213_boundary" --part68_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.137> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part68_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.138> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Arcane1128 Return-path: To: Krn311atr@aol.com, MFSLDG428@aol.com, BRNTPNUT@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:34:16 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part69_884741213_boundary" --part69_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.139> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part69_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.140> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MClasen Return-path: Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:59:37 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part70_884741213_boundary" --part70_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.141> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part70_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.142> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Crusty9999 Return-path: To: LMLHSBAND@aol.com, LOVE560@aol.com, GODLOVEIT@aol.com, MClasen@aol.com, StarRunner@aol.com, Cam317@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:48:17 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part71_884741213_boundary" --part71_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.143> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part71_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.144> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CubanLouie Return-path: To: JCRANIUM@aol.com Cc: Pooh994@aol.com, Ale2cool4u@aol.com, HAGAS670@aol.com, QSOCCER@aol.com, Petree@aol.com, Pepsi002@aol.com, Crusty9999@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:47:55 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part72_884741213_boundary" --part72_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.145> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part72_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.146> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Zeus59899 Return-path: To: Simmons820@aol.com, LrdTeron@aol.com, XENONXII@aol.com, TheJimGuy@aol.com, CubanLouie@aol.com, FlaBritt5@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:34:08 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part73_884741213_boundary" --part73_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.147> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII AOL is going to charge us for using chatrooms. please forward this message.!!!!!!!! --part73_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.148> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TwizlerBoy Return-path: To: JeanGry592@aol.com, Casta592@aol.com, Zeus59899@aol.com, SindarinV@aol.com, Star10100@aol.com, Zauna@aol.com, LadyeNiamh@aol.com, LilyBob215@aol.com, LiLyBoP215@aol.com, KICKER262@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:44:35 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part74_884741213_boundary" --part74_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.149> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part74_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.150> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: StudChick Return-path: To: N2ADAMS@aol.com, Bookcase2@aol.com, KillerBeen@aol.com, PEESEBLOSM@aol.com, MMFREEK666@aol.com, Buurrnnout@aol.com, Metall69@aol.com, SONICSGRL@aol.com, Timmyd346@aol.com, IKAT85@aol.com, LiLBtXtaSy@aol.com, Lester7063@aol.com, Raven13519@aol.com, DJS1999@aol.com, lynchmjk@juno.com, TwizlerBoy@aol.com, GodsGirl8@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:09:31 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part75_884741213_boundary" --part75_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.151> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part75_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.152> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Raven87665 Return-path: To: Buurrnnout@aol.com, Raven13519@aol.com, Dangermama@aol.com, WILLIEBOY6@aol.com, Maycie9@aol.com, FrkBoy22@aol.com, ZIL13@aol.com, SkyLyNx212@aol.com, ARESTINcop@aol.com, BlindMetal@aol.com, Zombie6969@aol.com, Storm76383@aol.com, LiquidX16@aol.com, Presysion@aol.com, Piglet369@aol.com, StudChick@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:48:34 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part76_884741213_boundary" --part76_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.153> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII THIS IS ABOUT STUPID TO MAKE US PAY FOR CHAT ROOMS WHEN WE HAVE UNLIMITED USE. WHATS THE POINT IF WE HAVE IT...ITS MADE TO LET US GO WHERE EVER WHEN EVER FOR HOW EVER LONG.... ~raven =) --part76_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.154> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Piglet369 Return-path: To: Hpls7@aol.com, TomP144@aol.com, HPayne13@aol.com, Raven87665@aol.com, Buddy756@aol.com, Pollywog82@aol.com, DeeDee8200@aol.com, XMookie@aol.com, JoJo4u112@aol.com, Michell573@aol.com, PAL910@aol.com, BeachVb101@aol.com, Ducatibuff@aol.com, LeBlue85@aol.com, SPHINXIM@aol.com, Eagle8080@aol.com, ACIDBEAR21@aol.com, Rainpnk311@aol.com, JaCla0738@aol.com, JOE75@aol.com, Dragon0009@aol.com, Tabbi17@aol.com, SSPB81@aol.com, Minty2000@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:52:43 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part77_884741213_boundary" --part77_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.155> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part77_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.156> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Pollywog82 Return-path: To: Neworld97@aol.com, SenorFuzz@aol.com, DeeDee8200@aol.com, Minty2000@aol.com, A3frog@aol.com, AlFaustino@aol.com, Gidgit4911@aol.com, PazieG@aol.com, Morgion13@aol.com, KLeon52481@aol.com, herb15@hotmail.com, Serena1000@aol.com, Oire1@aol.com, RonGenta@aol.com, Lilakat@aol.com, SkyBlue66@aol.com, Piglet369@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:36:58 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part78_884741213_boundary" --part78_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.157> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part78_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.158> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: A3frog Return-path: To: Zander15@aol.com, Pollywog82@aol.com, RNNIN@aol.com, Eagle8080@aol.com, Hardon19@aol.com, RSB1027@aol.com, Blakshaman@aol.com, Lookin4svs@aol.com, GSOADPi@aol.com, THE4ACES@aol.com, Gidgit4911@aol.com, Crashoride@aol.com, Minty2000@aol.com, SCH98@aol.com, N2earth@aol.com, Rocks137@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:40:38 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part79_884741213_boundary" --part79_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.159> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part79_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.160> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: RuBsSunStr Return-path: To: Wednesd420@aol.com, A3frog@aol.com, SilCahen00@aol.com, MelisGirl@aol.com, PrncssNyx@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:49:29 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part80_884741213_boundary" --part80_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.161> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII SEND THIS OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. THIS NEW PLAN IS BULLSHIT --part80_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.162> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Dudesi2 Return-path: To: RuBsSunStr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:31:15 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part81_884741213_boundary" --part81_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.163> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part81_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.164> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Dudesi2 Return-path: To: COBAL1@aol.com, TheMaXX4U@aol.com, XAcidBeArX@aol.com, Figglb@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:02:55 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part82_884741213_boundary" --part82_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.165> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII please sign.... --part82_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.166> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MAXIN520 Return-path: To: Blondi541@aol.com, Blondi542@aol.com, DCluv14@aol.com, KHOOP121@aol.com, BallaJr@aol.com, DonVito23@aol.com, Genuine79@aol.com, Dudesi2@aol.com, Blckacura@aol.com, BlackLyric@aol.com, PMIGONE@aol.com, DJLICKSOME@aol.com, EyeSelf79@aol.com, FOXY520@aol.com, Perinola80@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:00:42 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part83_884741213_boundary" --part83_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.167> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part83_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.168> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Blckacura Return-path: To: MAXIN520@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:28:19 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part84_884741213_boundary" --part84_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.169> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part84_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.170> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DA FIRE 1 Return-path: To: Blckacura@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:17:12 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part85_884741213_boundary" --part85_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.171> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII da fire 1 --part85_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.172> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: RUFBUF Return-path: To: UCMe27@aol.com, Missta1678@aol.com, VERN1CP@aol.com, DAFIRE1@aol.com, SmileyCaCa@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:16:13 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part86_884741213_boundary" --part86_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.173> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII PLEASE FORWARD.......... --part86_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.174> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: LUSHIS 96 Return-path: To: RUFBUF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:58:49 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part87_884741213_boundary" --part87_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.175> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII please forward --part87_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.176> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: NTEBRD370 Return-path: To: LUSHIS96@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:43:27 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part88_884741213_boundary" --part88_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.177> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII PLEASE FORWARD THIS SINCE U WANNA BE A SHADY ASS NIGGA KHE-KE --part88_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.178> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Plasma sky Return-path: To: Pooh183@aol.com, Summoner55@aol.com, IZZYNUTS@aol.com, NaomiRay@aol.com, Pinkpet1@aol.com, ThrashOnU@aol.com, Chana4722@aol.com, MagicMoon3@aol.com, Woody1482@aol.com, Brad981287@aol.com, Zdog123456@aol.com, Josh5971@aol.com, PhonoVoice@aol.com, SuziQ521@aol.com, FArias5487@aol.com, NTEBRD370@aol.com, PrncssMac@aol.com, Aintnofoo@aol.com, ShraPOP614@aol.com, LizoG1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:41:21 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part89_884741213_boundary" --part89_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.179> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part89_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.180> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: RdWingWin Return-path: To: Twizzy29@aol.com, ScoobieH@aol.com, Venilla5@aol.com, NASWMR01@aol.com, StarryF@aol.com, Karree2121@aol.com, Plasmasky@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:57:11 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part90_884741213_boundary" --part90_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.181> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part90_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.182> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: KFeel Return-path: To: Bunny1820@aol.com, GORGAR23@aol.com, RedSnail03@aol.com, LIPE28@aol.com, Andy7890@aol.com, KNajmi@aol.com, PUFFHANSEN@aol.com, DA3CEES@aol.com, SubZero298@aol.com, RdWingWin@aol.com, CRUSADERBS@aol.com, POCCOBOY@aol.com, Stripes864@aol.com, WFC13@aol.com, Spider4388@aol.com, DEVILBO103@aol.com, JWalter208@aol.com, BSeymour12@aol.com, TMSP11@aol.com, Mistro2247@aol.com, Jay696@aol.com, REMan911@aol.com, Eman69792@aol.com, BAYLINER7@aol.com, CHERYINOBY@aol.com, MattyZ113@aol.com, ErnieOG@aol.com, MHolmes310@aol.com, SiLeNcEr06@aol.com, ShrkTooth7@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:01:42 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part91_884741213_boundary" --part91_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.183> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part91_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.184> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Sheet Return-path: To: KFeel@aol.com, RAD369@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:25:47 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part92_884741213_boundary" --part92_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.185> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part92_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.186> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AKZOMAN Return-path: To: Sheet@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:22:28 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part93_884741213_boundary" --part93_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.187> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part93_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.188> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Enaihr Return-path: To: AKZOMAN@aol.com, Adam110359@aol.com, LaxWorld04@aol.com, Ubthere067@aol.com, CR1177@aol.com, MangaMan34@aol.com, Dabandit1@aol.com, Sean244459@aol.com, HVYMetal15@aol.com, Sen3Ben@aol.com, Guitar4871@aol.com, Elwood1490@aol.com, MDBP2b@aol.com, VampireD15@aol.com, Nedtyne@aol.com, EastmanCru@aol.com, EB9790@aol.com, kevinbrock@ecu.campus.mci.net, Hokapontas@aol.com, leah@hotmail.com, cimerone07@hotmail.com, Lanaewen@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:56:59 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part94_884741213_boundary" --part94_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.189> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part94_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.190> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: JOHNNY3372 Return-path: To: AHJen@aol.com, LKVSF4@aol.com, SBMDASH1@aol.com, TireDoc941@aol.com, BlueJays93@aol.com, Sandman185@aol.com, PerkyPete@aol.com, Netty07@aol.com, CUTIE9@aol.com, Macdad590@aol.com, Uphill3483@aol.com, KRECKS@aol.com, Sportz1626@aol.com, NESTY4@aol.com, YSIS45678@aol.com, SKAT0008@aol.com, SWOOSH9088@aol.com, Celcap@aol.com, Lienhome@aol.com, TrendySka@aol.com, TiffSpunk@aol.com, RetlaX@aol.com, KCFACEE@aol.com, KARENJARVI@aol.com, M1LSTRUTT@aol.com, GaelG@aol.com, Dopey1538@aol.com, BaddBoy56@aol.com, Enaihr@aol.com, Generalmm@aol.com, Nutty360@aol.com, MRPLAYAM@aol.com, Hk45gun@aol.com, Bsbridget@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:57:48 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part95_884741213_boundary" --part95_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.191> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part95_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.192> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PerkyPete Return-path: To: LUVJETER@aol.com, Travolina1@aol.com, Buster726@aol.com, ABK5678@aol.com, Kbradfordp@aol.com, LuvDance10@aol.com, DanceDiva2@aol.com, DABOMB98@aol.com, DANCEJAMS@aol.com, BobMiller@aol.com, Ccsoccer22@aol.com, Uphill3483@aol.com, STIMPY340@aol.com, Raspberie5@aol.com, CUTIE9@aol.com, JOHNNY3372@aol.com, Netty07@aol.com, MOMDADGIRL@aol.com, IRONic5041@aol.com, Macdad590@aol.com, Sandman185@aol.com, KRECKS@aol.com, JAXX21@aol.com, Popples42@aol.com, Sugar01728@aol.com, Bubble7964@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:47:07 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part96_884741213_boundary" --part96_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.193> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part96_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.194> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Bubble7964 Return-path: To: PerkyPete@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:23:05 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part97_884741213_boundary" --part97_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.195> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part97_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.196> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Popples42 Return-path: To: Bubble7964@aol.com, JVR111@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:05:44 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part98_884741213_boundary" --part98_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.197> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part98_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.198> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Polo grl 7 Return-path: To: Popples42@aol.com, Cutigrl806@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:03:16 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part99_884741213_boundary" --part99_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.199> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part99_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.200> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IciclesJK Return-path: To: MadMan8193@aol.com, UCYIBFLYN@aol.com, TARRAP@aol.com, Pooh2nu2@aol.com, Hoyt48@aol.com, Grandmaan@aol.com, Duval123@aol.com, ToMmYGrLLB@aol.com, CHEWY88690@aol.com, JiLiEbEeN@aol.com, Phonegirll@aol.com, STARGIR261@aol.com, Shweeny69@aol.com, Brunette79@aol.com, LilKim8@aol.com, Shwitz14@aol.com, CABAL24@aol.com, LMC4@aol.com, Levster@aol.com, FPLooney@aol.com, Jodial@aol.com, El1159@aol.com, MISHLAND@aol.com, Foxxxy81@aol.com, Pologrl7@aol.com, BuSTajOaH@aol.com, MeThOdNyC@aol.com, HELRACBABE@aol.com, HSOJ5@aol.com, Pickle6950@aol.com, DOUBLE97@aol.com, JeSSSBRD@aol.com, SuzieG15@aol.com, LEXUS282@aol.com, A66xAMiGO@aol.com, MK482@aol.com, WuSnaRT@aol.com, WuDuNG@aol.com, Shice69@aol.com, JMR0323@aol.com, KBD1@aol.com, Beautijill@aol.com, BaByLUV419@aol.com, JezMan4282@aol.com, Xjj@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:09:37 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part100_884741213_boundary" --part100_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.201> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part100_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.202> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SuzieG15 Return-path: To: WeFink@aol.com, Beautijill@aol.com, FPLooney@aol.com, IciclesJK@aol.com, HECHTIC7@aol.com, SteevyBee@aol.com, NovISimO@aol.com, Schaffpup@aol.com, LMC4@aol.com, Levster@aol.com, Shwitz14@aol.com, J9473@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:02:34 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part101_884741213_boundary" --part101_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.203> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part101_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.204> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: JlgSTAR Return-path: To: SuzieG15@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:58:18 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part102_884741213_boundary" --part102_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.205> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part102_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.206> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Glick5983 Return-path: To: Katbos@aol.com, JlgSTAR@aol.com, COOLWATERS@aol.com, Mishucat@aol.com, Muffinpoo@aol.com, SHELLBGOOD@aol.com, Arcade98@aol.com, Jadadys522@aol.com, CYBERMADA@aol.com, RALPH006@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:37:30 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part103_884741213_boundary" --part103_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.207> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part103_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.208> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Scheny Return-path: To: Glick5983@aol.com, Starbuck72@aol.com, Phonzi@aol.com, ScottUd69@aol.com, LeGs06@aol.com, LYNZE@aol.com, RIKK37@aol.com, ALIOOP17@aol.com, POCCADOTS@aol.com, Nana1718@aol.com, MIK44@aol.com, JaredCU@aol.com, Amo27@aol.com, MuttButt99@aol.com, DaveyLong@aol.com, JerryM88@aol.com, EmRo16@aol.com, DPrincessZ@aol.com, All4BB18@aol.com, Golde51@aol.com, Pasdanuce@aol.com, TAXIJON@aol.com, OKDoeK16@aol.com, CoolHorse2@aol.com, Coolspace@aol.com, Lippie@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:27:51 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part104_884741213_boundary" --part104_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.209> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part104_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.210> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: JuanyPaco Return-path: To: Apashoot@aol.com, PrncesColi@aol.com, WIDEREACH@aol.com, Mer4321@aol.com, WILD90210@aol.com, JBradley40@aol.com, MUpton1041@aol.com, GMW10@aol.com, Breal33@aol.com, Demonic13@aol.com, Marioman@aol.com, Scheny@aol.com, UncleZemus@aol.com, JRoss26@aol.com, MATTHEW978@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:07:21 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part105_884741213_boundary" --part105_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.211> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part105_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.212> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Majestic44 Return-path: To: Absolut526@aol.com, ALibek@aol.com, AUwish@aol.com, BLewis813@aol.com, BLUE55351@aol.com, GARYMG23@aol.com, GodApps@aol.com, GMW10@aol.com, JPoll11@aol.com, Klim12@aol.com, LADYBUG423@aol.com, Lily21A@aol.com, JuanyPaco@aol.com, JohnD1691@aol.com, MikeBon69@aol.com, Niknos@aol.com, Ron31482@aol.com, SBECK56@aol.com, SkiR69@aol.com, SKY8LU@aol.com, Softy143@aol.com, Thenga1@aol.com, Val232@aol.com, Wellmont@aol.com, WYNDOBOY@aol.com, Zona123@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:53:44 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part106_884741213_boundary" --part106_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.213> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part106_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.214> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Lily21A Return-path: To: Dgm82@aol.com, JPoll11@aol.com, GMW10@aol.com, BLUE55351@aol.com, Zona123@aol.com, Val232@aol.com, Absolut526@aol.com, Majestic44@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:50:51 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part107_884741213_boundary" --part107_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.215> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part107_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.216> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: BLUE 55351 Return-path: To: Zona123@aol.com, Absolut526@aol.com, Lily21A@aol.com, Val232@aol.com, GLAMGIRLJ@aol.com, CandyWorld@aol.com, AlxMck@aol.com, Klim12@aol.com, LADYBUG423@aol.com, Softy143@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:42:21 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part108_884741213_boundary" --part108_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.217> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part108_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.218> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: JcMM22 Return-path: To: FaTtYdUiTz@aol.com, Drew1770@aol.com, Leidback7@aol.com, Keats125@aol.com, Guitar1212@aol.com, Missy0581@aol.com, Allie122@aol.com, Casbah4509@aol.com, PUCK850@aol.com, Sportsy82@aol.com, Wiley782@aol.com, Ringo356@aol.com, WwmaddwW@aol.com, MArons417@aol.com, FREEWAY123@aol.com, MPHL@aol.com, DONTE69@aol.com, RODHOUSE52@aol.com, GuMdRoP7@aol.com, CURLINU@aol.com, PLAH10@aol.com, Slaps0813@aol.com, K48os@aol.com, TrayC97@aol.com, RockyS@aol.com, Angel41583@aol.com, June14cup@aol.com, mgoldspi@acme.highpoint.edu, AlwysDaMan@aol.com, AJS5420@aol.com, Mimi51881@aol.com, FireKila23@aol.com, GroovyChi@aol.com, MBSUGAR@aol.com, Wenz3@aol.com, DanH629@aol.com, Lippie@aol.com, BluEyedRez@aol.com, PANam80@aol.com, Jordypooh2@aol.com, LIN4482@aol.com, BLUE55351@aol.com, LtBean829@aol.com, EBR214@aol.com, JACKAL597@aol.com, Spirit683@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:08:52 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part109_884741213_boundary" --part109_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.219> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part109_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.220> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: HOOT16 Return-path: To: JcMM22@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:05:35 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part110_884741213_boundary" --part110_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.221> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII PASS THIS ON --part110_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.222> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Chickee876 Return-path: To: HOOT16@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:03:55 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part111_884741213_boundary" --part111_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.223> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part111_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.224> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Luken4love Return-path: To: Jade956214@aol.com Cc: Shorty731@aol.com, Chickee876@aol.com, Gigls2much@aol.com, Cow812@aol.com, Ninajb20@aol.com, Dazzled976@aol.com, Angel11258@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:38:39 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part112_884741213_boundary" --part112_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.225> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII sorry just had to send this on --part112_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.226> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Rocky58 Return-path: To: TAPNUT@aol.com, Sticksft@aol.com, MJKrupka@aol.com, SandCaztle@aol.com, Tkit2dlmit@aol.com, Luken4love@aol.com, CHESTNUT4U@aol.com, Acooie@aol.com, DSherman3@aol.com, SLYSADDLE@aol.com, DrthVder83@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:14:24 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part113_884741213_boundary" --part113_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.227> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part113_884741213_boundary Content-ID: <0_884741213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.228> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DIIAWB2 Return-path: To: Rocky58@aol.com, PoolShrk82@aol.com, EZinFL@aol.com, DLover76@aol.com, Paulkd6jxy@aol.com Subject: RE: AOL is going to charge us to chat...Sign Petition, Please Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:22:50 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit AOL HAS PROPOSED AN EXTRA CHARGE FOR THE MEMBERS WITH THE "UNLIMITED USE" BILLING PLAN. THEY PLAN TO CHARGE US $1.95 PER HOUR FOR USING THE CHAT ROOMS. THIS NEW CHARGE IS GOING TO BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. IN ORDER TO STOP THEM FROM TAKING OUR UNLIMITED USAGE(WHICH MEANS ALL AREAS OF AOL), YOU SHOULD ELECTRONICALLY "SIGN" THIS PETITION BY SENDING THIS LETTER TO EVERY ONE YOU KNOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> --part113_884741213_boundary-- --part112_884741213_boundary-- --part111_884741213_boundary-- --part110_884741213_boundary-- --part109_884741213_boundary-- --part108_884741213_boundary-- --part107_884741213_boundary-- --part106_884741213_boundary-- --part105_884741213_boundary-- --part104_884741213_boundary-- --part103_884741213_boundary-- --part102_884741213_boundary-- --part101_884741213_boundary-- --part100_884741213_boundary-- --part99_884741213_boundary-- --part98_884741213_boundary-- --part97_884741213_boundary-- --part96_884741213_boundary-- --part95_884741213_boundary-- --part94_884741213_boundary-- --part93_884741213_boundary-- --part92_884741213_boundary-- --part91_884741213_boundary-- --part90_884741213_boundary-- --part89_884741213_boundary-- --part88_884741213_boundary-- --part87_884741213_boundary-- --part86_884741213_boundary-- --part85_884741213_boundary-- --part84_884741213_boundary-- --part83_884741213_boundary-- --part82_884741213_boundary-- --part81_884741213_boundary-- --part80_884741213_boundary-- --part79_884741213_boundary-- --part78_884741213_boundary-- --part77_884741213_boundary-- --part76_884741213_boundary-- --part75_884741213_boundary-- --part74_884741213_boundary-- --part73_884741213_boundary-- --part72_884741213_boundary-- --part71_884741213_boundary-- --part70_884741213_boundary-- --part69_884741213_boundary-- --part68_884741213_boundary-- --part67_884741213_boundary-- --part66_884741213_boundary-- --part65_884741213_boundary-- --part64_884741213_boundary-- --part63_884741213_boundary-- --part62_884741213_boundary-- --part61_884741213_boundary-- --part60_884741213_boundary-- --part59_884741213_boundary-- --part58_884741213_boundary-- --part57_884741213_boundary-- --part56_884741213_boundary-- --part55_884741213_boundary-- --part54_884741213_boundary-- --part53_884741213_boundary-- --part52_884741213_boundary-- --part51_884741213_boundary-- --part50_884741213_boundary-- --part49_884741213_boundary-- --part48_884741213_boundary-- --part47_884741213_boundary-- --part46_884741213_boundary-- --part45_884741213_boundary-- --part44_884741213_boundary-- --part43_884741213_boundary-- --part42_884741213_boundary-- --part41_884741213_boundary-- --part40_884741213_boundary-- --part39_884741213_boundary-- --part38_884741213_boundary-- --part37_884741213_boundary-- --part36_884741213_boundary-- --part35_884741213_boundary-- --part34_884741213_boundary-- --part33_884741213_boundary-- --part32_884741213_boundary-- --part31_884741213_boundary-- --part30_884741213_boundary-- --part29_884741213_boundary-- --part28_884741213_boundary-- --part27_884741213_boundary-- --part26_884741213_boundary-- --part25_884741213_boundary-- --part24_884741213_boundary-- --part23_884741213_boundary-- --part22_884741213_boundary-- --part21_884741213_boundary-- --part20_884741213_boundary-- --part19_884741213_boundary-- --part18_884741213_boundary-- --part17_884741213_boundary-- --part16_884741213_boundary-- --part15_884741213_boundary-- --part14_884741213_boundary-- --part13_884741213_boundary-- --part12_884741213_boundary-- --part11_884741213_boundary-- --part10_884741213_boundary-- --part9_884741213_boundary-- --part8_884741213_boundary-- --part7_884741213_boundary-- --part6_884741213_boundary-- --part5_884741213_boundary-- --part4_884741213_boundary-- --part3_884741213_boundary-- --part2_884741213_boundary-- --part1_884741213_boundary-- --part0_884741213_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 17:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!tcraft From: "Tom Craft" To: Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:55:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.115547.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> >>But, I am not having any luck connecting to their site at all. I keep >>getting an error message. I have searched using 5 or 6 different >>search engines, and still can't come up with another address. >> >>I did find a listing for them in one of the on-line yellow pages. They >>are listed there as Powers Brothers Stained Glass. It did not list an >>e-mail address for them. Although, I did find an address for a John >>Powers in Scottsdale, Arizona. I sent him a message to find out if >>it is the same John Powers. >> >>Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this >>studio? >> >>Dawn There is a 'Powers Illustrated Stained Glass' ad in the Scottsdale yellow pages and a 'Powers Brothers Stained Glass, Inc. listing in the same yellow pages. Theeir address is listed as 7174 E. Thomas Road, Scottsdale (602) 941-8272. I stopped in there several years ago when I moved here looking for a hobbiest supply shop. They were set up more for custom and commercial work. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:09:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: nuggets in a jar Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:07:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.2756.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-13 17:33:14 EST, you write: << t. After an ordeal of foiling 100 or so small nuggets, and saying I'd never do it again, maybe there's a tip I need to know. >> The hint was to put them in a plastic jar and shake them up. This is suppose to crimp the foil. I am excited about trying this soon. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:13:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:12:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:02:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.2251.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-13 13:22:42 EST, you write: << I was surprised that not everyone knew the bit about crimping nuggets by twirling them in a jar--and am trying to think of other things of that ilk that maybe should be passed along! >> I hope no one takes for granted that we all know the "simple" things or even what some might think are the "obvious". You don't know how happy I was to be told about crimping nuggets. I had never heard of it and obviously never thought of a different way than trying to do it by hand. You don't know how many of those little things ended up flying across the room while I was foiling/crimping them. If I ever pull out the cabinets, workbenches, etc.... I will probably have enough for the next project. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:19:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.16194.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Shirley, thanks for trying that out with all the acids! (and what great turnaround time!) So, it sounds like in a pinch we could use reconstituted lemon juice in place of flux and still get some soldering accomplished, correct? And without terribly worse = performance if you rated it an 8. Now a few more of us should try it out and send in results and maybe we'll have found a vegetarian alternative - I know somebody requested one a few months back. Now, I know with a little marketing, Shirley, you = could sell this stuff - how about "Grapeland Lemon Flux" as a name? ;-) Best regards and thanks, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:47:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199801140250.CAA11352@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Suzanne, I think I mentioned this Multicore tip cleaner some months ago; a "titchy" little round tin box (about 3/4 inch across or less. You are supposed to dip/dig/rub your iron tip in this grey mess (It stinks!!). It really work wonders and I use it all the time. It was developed for small electronic irons initially. I have been unable to get hold of larger tins. So what I do, I buy 6 or so of these tiny little things, tip them all into a larger metal container (with lid) and mi iron bit has plento of room to move about inside. ;-> By the way, I thought that Multicore was an American company.....? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK I found a little "tip tinner" called, I believe, Multi-Core. It's from England and I get it at Warner-Crivellaro. Just a tiny little round thing that you rub your iron in and it's immediately nice and shiny. Costs about $6. It sure beats the sal-ammoniac block. Seems lately Canfield isn't as pure as I thought. I've tried Hirsch and like that a lot better. Also one called AVM, or something like that, says it uses "virgin metals." Not so much crud to wipe off. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Sort of blanket reply to flux, tallow, Chartres,lead, etc... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:47:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199801140250.CAA11340@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ok Dani, So I picked on YOU to start off a collection of blanket replies to various bits and pieces. Hope you folks will forgive my laziness/ lack of time. The Taxman Cometh... :-< < snip> I'm confused about George Pozan's technique. Usually when you "mud" or cement a window, you don't use patina... the process does the job for you. And why would one use soap and water on a cemented lead window... doesn't make much sense to me. When you cement, you need to leave the cement to dry off (about 12-24 hours) before you start to clean off the xcess cement and whiting . Although I don't personally use soap & water, I can see the reason and logic for doing so. It helps to loosen the caked up cement on top of the lead face. The lead needs to be absolutely clean before you can polish it. The cement also has a habit of crawling in at lumpy or bad solder joints.... I never recommend even the finest wire-wool for cleaning cement off lead. There is always a risk of scratching the glass. Also - when using heavily textured glass, the cement has an uncanny way of REALLY getting ingrained into the pits of the glass. Soap & water helps to lift that too. In my mind, using soap and water weakens the cement before it has set properly (which takes a bit longer that 12-24 hours.) I use lashings of whiting and a very stiff old fashioned scrubbing brush and plenty of elbow-grease to survive this process.If then there is still cement residue in the textured glass, I put the panel on an easel and "pick" at it until I get every single bit out. Another thing, I never use patina on lead. I use what you might call "stove black". Here in UK, it's a black, fairly runny stove cream which comes in a tube called Zebrite or Zebo. Kitchen maids in large Victorian households used to clean and polish the cast-iron kitchen ranges with it, as well as the iron open fire-hoods. (I have posted info about this about a year ago on Bungi). You blob it on the lead, then brush it in with a large, soft brush (preferrably with a handle attached - a bit like a horse brush, but softer), just like you would polish an old treasured pair of shoes. The more the better. The polish also really makes the glass glow!!! When I tell my students to polish the panels like these treasured shoes, some of them look at me with totally blank expressions; they have never polished shoes in their lives!!!! Does this make better sense?? Someone else asked: "What is TALLOW" Answer: Animal fat! pure and simple. Tallow was traditionally the material from which early candles were made. . But tallow burnt very quickly and it also smoked a lot, because of its fairly unrefined state. Modern methods of making candles introduced the technique of adding stearin (which makes them burn slower) and refining the fat or wax much more. But the stained glass industry still uses tallow for flux. (And apart from being a bit harder to wash off, it works fine for both lead and copper foil). Hence my rather flippant comment about trying to use a modern candle as flux and see what happens.... (After all, one or two of Bungi people seem to think I am rather resistant to "modern technology".... ;-> ) Doubt very much that there is any risk of BSE; BSE comes from beef products located close to the spine of the animal (if I understand this correctly...). In UK it has therefore in the last few weeks become illegal to sell beef-on-the-bone. The fat content, however, comes from areas much closer to the "surface", so to speak.... (I think I just fairly elegantly answered another question as well). STEPHANIE, forgive this way of replying, Thank you for asking. You are welcome to use whatever you feel is appropriate. I am quite happy for you to quote me and to use my name. When I have a few minutes I WILL get back to you off-group....... I have today spent several hours with dear Computer Guru Chris. He has down-loaded on to his "system" a selection from 3 photo-CDs and has now already started to add things to my WEB-page. The barn-owl is already there. By the way the eye of the barn-owl is a jewel fitted AND leaded into a hole cut into some rather soft and crumbly white glass. The hole was hand-cut, not drilled or anything as fancy as that.. I ruined 3 pieces of white glass before I finally succeeded. The barn-owl is about 5-6 years old now and still going strong. He now lives in a front door of a converted barn about 15 miles away from here. Also already up on my WEB-page is my large "musical panel" , one of three that I did for a married couple of musiscians, heavily involved internationally in classical music and touring all over the world. The gave me agreat, big, chunky, commemorative coin from the New York Philharmonic and asked me to design them a stained glass panel for them around its theme. So I did. It's about 2.5 ft wide and about 4.5 ft long; totally reinforced internally. The colours of the final photo is not quite what I had hoped for in the photograph. I must have been back about 4 times to re-photograph it. Below it are 2 grape-vine panels (one of which I had to repair later when a visiting tenor from Austria got a little bit drunk and crashed through it...) These 2 panels are NOT on my WEB-page, because I myself found them a little bit boring, even though they are exactly what they wanted.... About another 4-5 pics of my work is currently being "tweeked" by Chris to go on my WEB-page shortly. The 2 panels from the United Reform Church will be a little while yet, as I still have not had a chance to take the photos. All I need to do is to add the "verbiage" to ALL the pics. However, as an extra treat to Toby-fans, there is an added pic of Toby Tobias as a very, very young lad......... ( 12-13 weeks - perhaps...). Also downloaded to Chris's wonderful system to be "tweeked" are about 15 photographs from our visit to CHARTRES last Easter. He promised me tonight that he will create a separate Chartres page. I am sorry it has taken such a long time; partly it is due to me having to eat before I spend money on expensive photo processes that this kind of transfer still entails in UK and partly lack of time, and partly because I depend on Chris's generosity, time, effort, energy and good will to help me to realize all of this for me and for you. The Chartres page will only be a temporary feature of my WEB-page, but it is finally happening. It's 3 o'clock in the morning over here; please, may I go to bed now? I am teaching tomorrow...... I hope I haven't forgotten anything....(old age setting in - so I probably have!!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 18:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Marilyn's big panel problem Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:57:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.16578.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Marilyn- Michael has three suggestions: If you haven't bid the job, consider having a welding shop make a = brushed steel frame and include the cost in your bid. If you have bid it, use the zinc channel but redistribute the weight by running cable down the channel and secure = at the bottom with washer and bolt - you can also loop the cable at the top to hang. Lastly, there are some other options including with brass, but rather than try to explain in writing, give us a call - we'll be in and out the next couple of days on installations, but I'm sure we can touch base before the weekend. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios P.S. Congratulations! ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 19:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199801140257.CAA11837@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Oh Well , Shirley!!!! a 100 out of 100 for Enterprise!!! Improvise!! I shout at my students, IMPROVISE! You appear to have taken it to a real Fine Art! Can't WAIT to try your experiments for myself!!! Sounds like good fun! Try the common or garden household candle as well (as I will) and let us compare results!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Well Dani, Hey Dani, This sounded like such fun, I did a little experimenting with common households "acids". The following are my personal results using a Weller l00 iron with 800 tip. These figures are based using Glastar Gel Flux being rated at 10: 100% Lye w/enough water to make paste 0 Household ammonia 0 Vinegar (5% acidity) 4 Olive oil 4 Lemon Juice (reconstituted) 8 50/50% Lemon Juice/Olive Oil 6 Patchouli oil 2 (but it smelled great!) All these tests were done with clean flux brushes on copper foil (7/32" black-back) and Canfield 50/50 solder. Feeling like Bill Nye, The Science Guy or Mr. Wizard, Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Dani Greer wrote: > > Good question, Steve, why > does tallow work? And why > does oleic acid work? Does > that mean linoleic acid should > work, too? Has anyone ever > tried using olive oil? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 19:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:39:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RUMOR Re: AOL is going to charge us RUMOR Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:38:34 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980113213834.007c7150@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Jan14.12651.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To anyone using AOL, please put the word out that AOL wants to charge those >people using AOL an extra fee on top of the $19.95 per month already charged >for unlimited usage. PLEASE don't EVER post this long a message on the bungi group - especially when it has NOTHING to do with glass! This is a RUMOR that has been going around for months - did you even look at the bottom, how old it is through all of the forwards?? The first message is from September for goodness sake. IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!! This rumor was started back in July when they started charging for games. If they were going to do it, it would have been done by now, with this message floating around since September. Thanks for your concern for other AOL'ers, but this is not the proper forum to post such a message. Steph ~ Now back to your regularly scheduled glass chat.... ------------------------------ Stephanie Hansen Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX mailto:sgt@glasstreasures.com NEW pictures are in the Gallery! http://glasstreasures.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 19:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:43:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: airmail.net!orbiter1 From: orbiter1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Free Netscape Download Areas Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:42:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980113214209.007c4380@mail.airmail.net> References: <<199801112027.PAA19546@ee.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I had problems with Netscape when the program lost all of my bookmarks. After downloading Internet Explorer, the browser runs fine and doesn't lose my saved sites (mostly glass in nature). However, IE isn't very good for e-mail. Periodically, it would not let me download any messages. Finally, I found Eudora Light. I have had no problems reading all messages that have come through. Best of all, it has a filtering capability so that I can separate family e-mail from the bungi group. All of the e-mail was driving my husband nuts trying to read messages from his family. If anyone is interested in downloading Eudora Light (it's free), I believe the site is: www.eudora.com. If that doesn't work, search under the word Eudora. Shelley P.S. I am mainly a lurker, but have learned a tremendous amount from this group. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. At 03:31 PM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the site downloads. I intend to d/l Netscape sometime this week. > >Sheila >Ohio > >---------- >| From: Northernlights >| To: glass@bungi.com >| Subject: Free Netscape Download Areas >| Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:19 AM >| >| Been reading the messages about e-mails crashing your systems. I >| haven't had any problems and I only use Netscape for my e-mail. Here >| are two links for free downloads...the first one is for Netscape >| Communicator http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow >| and the second one is for Netscape Gold >| http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow >| >| Netscape Communicator is the newest and "fanciest" and I don't have much >| experience at it, but I've installed it on my folks computer and they're >| happy with it. I've been using Netscape Gold for the last couple of >| years and like it just fine. >| >| Just thought I'd help with locating the page for the free downloads!!! >| ---- >| For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >| To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >| Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 21:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:41:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:36:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.5364.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hi Marilyn; I have to agree with "Greer Studios" about the reinforcing with chain clear to the bottom, May I also suggest Chain from your local Home Improvment Outlet ...ie: HOME BASE or EAGLE Hardware, etc. The ZINC outside WILL hold fine, I've used it for the same application, and Larger pieces. ( though a wood frame is SO much more applicable when Not Installed. Good Luck! MiChea`l ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 21:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:52:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: AOL.COM!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:51:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.55116.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hello Herb! Yes, there's an ADDAPTER available (again at) Your local Hardware store. Of course, it will make your Nightlite stick out about Another inch and 1/2 !!! Good Luck. MiChea`l ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 22:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:02:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.193713.0> References: <<1998Jan13.134530.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Why not just attach the tulip to the clip sideways so that it is straight when plugged in? (May require a few design changes, but should be doable.) Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:45:30 -0500 "Herb Adler" writes: >How has anyone solved this problem w/ nitelights/ >At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the >receptacle >has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical >installation. >Since I don't like my "tulips" growing sideways, I'm looking for a way >to >handle this situation. Any ideas? > >Herb in Orlando > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 22:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Marilyn's big panel problem Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.194920.0> References: <<1998Jan13.16578.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Don't forget that using 1/2" brass or zinc "U" came you have the outer closed channel in the came open and can slide a rebar into it for stiffening. __ __ l__l__ Picture to left represents view of end of zinc channel. The illustration above shows the open channel for the glass on the right and the hollow space on the left that you can slide a rebar into. Gary Dodge On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:57:08 -0500 "Michael J. Greer" writes: >Hi Marilyn- > >Michael has three suggestions: > >If you haven't bid the job, consider >having a welding shop make a = > >brushed steel frame and include >the cost in your bid. > >If you have bid it, use the zinc channel >but redistribute the weight by running >cable down the channel and secure = > >at the bottom with washer and bolt - you >can also loop the cable at the top to >hang. > >Lastly, there are some other options >including with brass, but rather than try >to explain in writing, give us a call - we'll >be in and out the next couple of days on >installations, but I'm sure we can touch >base before the weekend. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios > >P.S. Congratulations! ;-) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 22:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:02:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.193256.0> References: <<1998Jan13.234058.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Theresa, The object is to immerse only the tip. not the heating element where the electricity lives.........but all the same, in 27 or so years of doing stained glass it has never been a problem. As for the rust thing, it just isn't a problem. The tip is tinned with solder and solder doesn't rust. Any way you look at it, it is way less corrosive that the flux dipping habbit some of our new intermediate students come in here with! Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:40:58 EST Shopfreaks writes: >I sure do appreciate all the tips on soldering, as I got into fusing >pretty >hot and heavy for awhile (no pun intended) and when I "came back" to >soldering >I found that I had apparently lost something and was having many >problems. >One thing I haven't tried is the sal amoniac water. I think I'd have >trouble >with this for two reasons - correct me if I'm wrong here, but: > >#1 - I have a fear of water + elecricity + metal >#2 - water + metal tips = rusty tips. Do they not? > >Maybe it's fine, but it sounds kinda scary 8 { > >Theresa >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 13 22:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Marilyn's big panel problem Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:19:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.61924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Excellent! Thank You Gary Dodge, I hadn't thought of that before reading your input. And a NICE hiding job too! (( I suppose one could control the ReBar, regardless of the material i.e; Steel or ??? -with Liquid solder? )) Great Idea! PS: I must say I'm rather ammused with all the input of the "Why Flux" responses. especially the Petulli Oil !!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 00:08:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Why flux? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:41:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.154158.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 4:07 PM To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Good question, Steve, why does tallow work? And why does oleic acid work? Does that mean linoleic acid should work, too? Has anyone ever tried using olive oil? Maybe we should do some trial runs on everyday items and see what's to discover - a new andcleaner/better vegetarian flux?? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios [Glenn Spicer] Linoleic acid works just fine ( if it is a derivative of lanolin), less toxic as well I believe, Know a fellow who used it exclusively. 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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:01:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.16110.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk First of all why does the client want it hung rather than installed? (hate it when clients start being unreasonable, but ....) Usually this means that they want to be able to take it with them if they leave, if this is the case then tell them that you can install it so that it can be removed. you say minutely larger what is minutely? 1/8" or 1" or 3"? it helps to know when trying to help you! If it is sitting on it's bottom edge, even lead will support the weight. Tell them it is structurally not secure for such a large window, especially in lead to be hung, the weight, even with a Zinc boarder could tear the window apart (maybe Gary Dodges solution will work though) ! A window of this size Needs a good wood or angle metal frame or to be installed. An steel metal frame could be constructed but your client would have to bear the cost. Hope this is of some help. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: ANL Glass [SMTP:ANLGlass@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:49 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: large panel construction? Marylyn wrote Any suggestions on how best to approach this project will be greatly appreciated ... A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They don't want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan to hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the panel. Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, but that we use wood moulding to hold it in place, or else the clear acrylic clips. But will the zinc support the weight even if it's sitting rather than hanging? Would adding rebar help? (I guess it would have to be soldered to the border zinc, since there's no wood frame to tie into.) This is the biggest panel I've ever tackled! I'm a little out of my league .. Thanks for help! 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"" &``````# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$````` A````'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<``.K$ ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 00:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:08:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:08:10, -0500 Message-ID: <199801140808.DAA11624@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn writes: Any suggestions on how best to approach this project will be greatly appreciated ... A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They don't want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan to hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the panel. Bob groans, A lead panel 45" X 35" is far more than a common 1/2" zinc U-cap frame is intended to support. Changing the frame material to brass will increase the strength by several times but still be insuficient. Without further reinforcement this panel will still be flex city. Running rebar or chain in the side U-cap as previously suggested will be a big help in preventing the basic panel from pulling away from the top but will not address the problem of the panel sagging of its own weight and bowing out the bottom. This panel is nearly three feet high and weighs perhaps fifty pounds. I question if you will even get it hung before the bottom has sagged to the window sill. You could run a couple of strips of rebar from top to bottom spaced about 15"es apart. This reinforcement MIGHT answer the problem of sagging well. I would prefer a frame of at least 1' X 2" oak or simular strong wood to support the metal frame of the panel. Some clients like this idea because the panel can be removed for cleaning or moving. Now to why I write. The client is entitled to have certain needs and wants. The pervayer of SG owes it to the client to deliver a serviceable product. I do not think there can be much argument to these two statements. It seems to me that when the client requests a product that is not serviceable they SHOULD be reeducated. If they can not bring themselves to reason it is a sign IMO that the work should be declined. Perhaps ten percent of my income is from setting right what should have been done right in the first place. I enjoy this income but it does no credit to the original crafter. I write in the spirit of helping, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 01:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Powers Illustrated (Was Windows of North America) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:38:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.213854.0> References: <<1998Jan13.18192.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Dawn, I think your URL (the web site address) is wrong. I just tried: http://www.stained-glass.com and it went right through. you didn't include the "e" in stained. Linn Dawn wrote: > > Well, how completely disappointing. I have the address. It is: > http://www.staind-glass.com. > > But, I am not having any luck connecting to their site at all. I keep > getting an error message. I have searched using 5 or 6 different > search engines, and still can't come up with another address. > > I did find a listing for them in one of the on-line yellow pages. They > are listed there as Powers Brothers Stained Glass. It did not list an > e-mail address for them. Although, I did find an address for a John > Powers in Scottsdale, Arizona. I sent him a message to find out if > it is the same John Powers. > > Anyone out there in the Scottsdale area know anything about this > studio? > > Dawn > > > Dawn - did you make a note of Powers Illustrated Stained Glass Studio web > > site address? > > Elizabeth & Sam > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 04:28:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:33:55 -0600 Message-ID: <199801141224.GAA20959@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Good question, Steve, why does tallow work? And why does oleic acid work? > Does that mean linoleic acid should >work, too? Has anyone ever tried using olive oil? Maybe we should do some >trial runs on everyday items and see >what's to discover - a new andcleaner/better vegetarian flux?? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >[Glenn Spicer] Linoleic acid works just fine ( if it is a derivative of >lanolin), less toxic as well I believe, Know a fellow who used it >exclusively. It smells a little and is a little harder to clean up, >but.... > > Hi Dani and all I use oleic acid (red oil) exclusively for lead soldering also. Its stinks and smokes and I would not reccomend it for use in a home studio or on copperfoil work, ( hard on the adhesive) but IMNSHO it lays out the solder more uniformly and more smoothly then any other flux I have ever tried. A small dab goes a long way and the dark color makes it easy to see when applying. I am not sure why it works so well but my guess is that as soon as you apply heat the viscousity changes rapidly (as with any oil) and it immediatly becomes very liquid as it combines with the solder which aids the solder in flowing out. The other major plus is that it never ever splatters under any conditions because of the low temp at which it vaporizes. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 06:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:11:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: large panel construction? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:16:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199801140839.CAA23635@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Now to why I write. The client is entitled to have certain needs and > wants. The pervayer of SG owes it to the client to deliver a > serviceable product. I do not think there can be much argument to > these two statements. It seems to me that when the client requests a > product that is not serviceable they SHOULD be reeducated. If they > can not bring themselves to reason it is a sign IMO that the work > should be declined. Perhaps ten percent of my income is from setting > right what should have been done right in the first place. I enjoy > this income but it does no credit to the original crafter. > I second the reeducate or decline idea. I've just dealt with a similar situation. You tell them it won't work, they understand and want you to do it anyway, you do it, it doesn't work just like you said, they are unhappy. They blame it on you even though you told them. Some how they think that paying you what seems like big money (to them) ought to magically make it work. Remember, you are the professional and it is your name that will be on the beautiful piece of work properly done in the window or on the pile of glass shards on the floor. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 06:21:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:19:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: <199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --> >A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They >don't >want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan to >hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the panel.> >Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, Hi Marylin Your inclination is absolutely correct. This is a very poor idea, not just because of the hassle of fabricating a proper frame and its attachments,, but more so from an aesthic viewpoint. White light bleeding in around the perimeter of a stained glass panel especially a small amount, is very unattractive and unpleasent to the eye and severly distracts from the beauty of the SG. Perhaps you could demonstate this by measuring a small accesable window at their place and cutting out two peices of paper one the cover the whole light and one the shows light around the perimeter. (I'm trying to give you some ammunition here to shoot holes in their idea) If the are planning on moving it someday whats the chances that they will have another location where a panel of the size can be hung? Or even if the motif would be attractive in a different setting? Besides a frame can be fabricated if and when that time comes. Emphisize that you are not a metalworker and that fabrication of the frame will have to be farmed out and most likely be fairly expensive. If the metal frame idea is somehow tied into their decor sensibilities, suggest that the panel can be properly set against the existing light and trimmed out with some nice looking metallic stock. If they go for it, suggest that they visit a frame shop to pick out something that they like. Its good strategy to distract the client by getting them involved in a decision thats as far removed the essence of their bad idea as possible but still dealing in the same area if that particular aspect of the project is so important to them. Your the *guy* Marilyn and its in your best interest to take control of the situation. Ask questions, find out exactly why they want this a framed panel, they might not have a good reason, it might have just come to them... it's obviously not an informed decission. Be convincing, butter 'em up but get them to reconsider. If you don't need or want this gig, follow Doug's suggestion and turn it down.....but before I did that I would quote them a big price.... if they go for it, fine. Get a first rate frame made, hire all the qualified help you need to get it installed properly and feel at ease. I know that every time you go chasing around because of an offbeat project that you priced like a regular job, your going to take it on the chin in the long run. >>Would adding rebar help? Dependent on the design, a panel of that size is going to require reinforcement in any case. How and how much should be a consideration in the cartoon stage not as an afterthought. > >This is the biggest panel I've ever tackled! I'm a little out of my league No one is ever out of their league with the collective wisdom of the bungi folks behind them. Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent thread :-) Good Luck! Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 06:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:38:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Appeal for help. Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.1343.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Glenna Rand wrote: > > [In the message entitled "Appeal for help." on Jan 11, 15:19, "The Banker's House" writes:] > > > > > As the "leaders" of the group, and I hope I haven't missed anyone. Is > > there some way to prevent these "Lock-ups, and System crashes" in the > > future. MANY people have had problems.... significantly more than the 4-5 > > No,..there is nothing we can do about it. It's up to people to > use mail readers that don't crash. I myself use UNIX and have no > problems at all. > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- I have always used Netscape and have also never had any problems with mail crashes. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 06:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:46:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Suncatcher Question Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:51:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980114085100.30a7b814@mail.abelink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! I have been doing several copper foiled suncatchers -- I really would appreciate more tips / instructions on soldering the wire around the edge to reinforce. Thanks! Di Baker rbaker@abelink.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 06:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:49:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New on Art Glass World Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:49:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801141449.JAA19088@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --Art Glass World Update-- New Sponsors and Updates-- The Paul Wissmach Glass Co. What a treat! 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State Street toll-free: 800-937-9593 Tampa, FL 33609 USA phone: 813-872-4404 www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 10:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:27:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:49:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.174928.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Here's a blanket question to all of you experienced window makers. What is the largest you would build a panel WITHOUT some kind of reinforcement in it or around the perimeter. (Besides the framing itself). I've never built a window, so I'm looking for some guidelines. Does anyone have the basics they would take the time to share, or could recommend a good book on the subject. I want to broaden my knowledge base. Thankyou, Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 10:30:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:26:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Sort of blanket reply to flux, tallow, Chartres,lead, et Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199801141821.SAA23817@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear all, Apologies, if the following message DID get through the ether and I am therefore making you folks "suffer" twice.... But somehow, my records does not show it as having been "sent". Well.... it WAS almost 4 in the morning over here... ;-) I just might have pushed the wrong button. Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:46:25 Ok Dani, So I picked on YOU to start off a collection of blanket replies to various bits and pieces. Hope you folks will forgive my laziness/ lack of time. The Taxman Cometh... :-< < snip> I'm confused about George Pozan's technique. Usually when you "mud" or cement a window, you don't use patina... the process does the job for you. And why would one use soap and water on a cemented lead window... doesn't make much sense to me. When you cement, you need to leave the cement to dry off (about 12-24 hours) before you start to clean off the xcess cement and whiting . Although I don't personally use soap & water, I can see the reason and logic for doing so. It helps to loosen the caked up cement on top of the lead face. The lead needs to be absolutely clean before you can polish it. The cement also has a habit of crawling in at lumpy or bad solder joints.... I never recommend even the finest wire-wool for cleaning cement off lead. There is always a risk of scratching the glass. Also - when using heavily textured glass, the cement has an uncanny way of REALLY getting ingrained into the pits of the glass. Soap & water helps to lift that too. In my mind, using soap and water weakens the cement before it has set properly (which takes a bit longer that 12-24 hours.) I use lashings of whiting and a very stiff old fashioned scrubbing brush and plenty of elbow-grease to survive this process.If then there is still cement residue in the textured glass, I put the panel on an easel and "pick" at it until I get every single bit out. Another thing, I never use patina on lead. I use what you might call "stove black". Here in UK, it's a black, fairly runny stove cream which comes in a tube called Zebrite or Zebo. Kitchen maids in large Victorian households used to clean and polish the cast-iron kitchen ranges with it, as well as the iron open fire-hoods. (I have posted info about this about a year ago on Bungi). You blob it on the lead, then brush it in with a large, soft brush (preferrably with a handle attached - a bit like a horse brush, but softer), just like you would polish an old treasured pair of shoes. The more the better. The polish also really makes the glass glow!!! When I tell my students to polish the panels like these treasured shoes, some of them look at me with totally blank expressions; they have never polished shoes in their lives!!!! Does this make better sense?? Someone else asked: "What is TALLOW" Answer: Animal fat! pure and simple. Tallow was traditionally the material from which early candles were made. . But tallow burnt very quickly and it also smoked a lot, because of its fairly unrefined state. Modern methods of making candles introduced the technique of adding stearin (which makes them burn slower) and refining the fat or wax much more. But the stained glass industry still uses tallow for flux. (And apart from being a bit harder to wash off, it works fine for both lead and copper foil). Hence my rather flippant comment about trying to use a modern candle as flux and see what happens.... (After all, one or two of Bungi people seem to think I am rather resistant to "modern technology".... ;-> ) Doubt very much that there is any risk of BSE; BSE comes from beef products located close to the spine of the animal (if I understand this correctly...). In UK it has therefore in the last few weeks become illegal to sell beef-on-the-bone. The fat content, however, comes from areas much closer to the "surface", so to speak.... (I think I just fairly elegantly answered another question as well). STEPHANIE, forgive this way of replying, Thank you for asking. You are welcome to use whatever you feel is appropriate. I am quite happy for you to quote me and to use my name. When I have a few minutes I WILL get back to you off-group....... I have today spent several hours with dear Computer Guru Chris. He has down-loaded on to his "system" a selection from 3 photo-CDs and has now already started to add things to my WEB-page. The barn-owl is already there. By the way the eye of the barn-owl is a jewel fitted AND leaded into a hole cut into some rather soft and crumbly white glass. The hole was hand-cut, not drilled or anything as fancy as that.. I ruined 3 pieces of white glass before I finally succeeded. The barn-owl is about 5-6 years old now and still going strong. He now lives in a front door of a converted barn about 15 miles away from here. Also already up on my WEB-page is my large "musical panel" , one of three that I did for a married couple of musiscians, heavily involved internationally in classical music and touring all over the world. The gave me agreat, big, chunky, commemorative coin from the New York Philharmonic and asked me to design them a stained glass panel for them around its theme. So I did. It's about 2.5 ft wide and about 4.5 ft long; totally reinforced internally. The colours of the final photo is not quite what I had hoped for in the photograph. I must have been back about 4 times to re-photograph it. Below it are 2 grape-vine panels (one of which I had to repair later when a visiting tenor from Austria got a little bit drunk and crashed through it...) These 2 panels are NOT on my WEB-page, because I myself found them a little bit boring, even though they are exactly what they wanted.... About another 4-5 pics of my work is currently being "tweeked" by Chris to go on my WEB-page shortly. The 2 panels from the United Reform Church will be a little while yet, as I still have not had a chance to take the photos. All I need to do is to add the "verbiage" to ALL the pics. However, as an extra treat to Toby-fans, there is an added pic of Toby Tobias as a very, very young lad......... ( 12-13 weeks - perhaps...). Also downloaded to Chris's wonderful system to be "tweeked" are about 15 photographs from our visit to CHARTRES last Easter. He promised me tonight that he will create a separate Chartres page. I am sorry it has taken such a long time; partly it is due to me having to eat before I spend money on expensive photo processes that this kind of transfer still entails in UK and partly lack of time, and partly because I depend on Chris's generosity, time, effort, energy and good will to help me to realize all of this for me and for you. The Chartres page will only be a temporary feature of my WEB-page, but it is finally happening. It's 3 o'clock in the morning over here; please, may I go to bed now? I am teaching tomorrow...... I hope I haven't forgotten anything....(old age setting in - so I probably have!!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 10:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Suncatcher Question Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.72648.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Depending on the weight of the suncatcher, you should use an 18 or 20 gauge copper wire to make the hanging loop. Make sure to leave extra wire on both sides of the loop, and then solder the extra into the structure of the suncatcher - like down a major vertical line on the back. If the suncatcher is very large or heavy, you can run the copper wire all the way around the outside edge of the suncatcher, making the hanging loops where you want them. This method gives incredible strength to free-form projects and also gives it a nice, finished solder bead all around the outside edge. Also, please use two loops on the suncatcher whenever possible, rather than just one. With just one the suncatcher will have a tendency to spin around. With two the suncatcher is very stable. You can always hang the suncatcher with two suction cups. There's no law that says you must use only one. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 10:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:53:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: large panel construction? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Remember, you are the > professional and it is your name that will be on the beautiful piece > of work properly done in the window or on the pile of glass shards on > the floor. Not to mention that it'll be your name on the legal papers when they file a lawsuit claiming that as a professional you shoulda known better. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 11:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.8525.0> References: <<1998Jan13.134530.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb Adler wrote: > > How has anyone solved this problem w/ nitelights/ > At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the > receptacle > has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical > installation. > > We sell a lovely UL approved night light which has a base that swivels to fit horizontal oulets. It also has a groove to accept brass clips. The bulb is included also. > Please call Warner-Crivellaro 800-523-4242. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 11:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:30:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.17304.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Gary - Thankyou for clarifying the 'tip dip' for me... I just thought the metal tip might conduct electricity to the jar. By the way - I'm not one of those flux dippers either! ;) Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 11:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:50:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.94855.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Len- But, where do you buy oleic acid? I've tried everywhere including = the oldest pharmacy in town (where I acquire some of the weirdest substances imaginable for art projects! They usually have to dig in the basement where they stored something 30 years ago.) Let us know - and while we're on the subject of finding things - I'm still trying to find a source for groomers chalk (whiting) in large bags, powder form not in block form. Any clues? Thanks! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 11:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.94847.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You're absolutely correct, Len. I don't remember a thread on flipping a large stained glass panel. I'll do the drawings and you write the text, okay? ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 12:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.102812.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Looks like Charles has the answer- Thanks to all who contributed ideas. -----Original Message----- From: Herb Adler To: Stained Glass Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:46 PM Subject: Nightlights >How has anyone solved this problem w/ nitelights/ >At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the receptacle >has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical >installation. >Since I don't like my "tulips" growing sideways, I'm looking for a way to >handle this situation. Any ideas? > >Herb in Orlando > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 12:31:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:30:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:25:50, -0500 Message-ID: <199801142025.PAB20326@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Theresa wrote: Here's a blanket question to all of you experienced window makers. What is the largest you would build a panel WITHOUT some kind of reinforcement in it or around the perimeter. (Besides the framing itself). I've never built a window, so I'm looking for some guidelines. Does anyone have the basics they would take the time to share, or could recommend a good book on the subject. I want to broaden my knowledge base. Thankyou, Theresa Reinforcement depends on the design of the window. Starting with the largest dimension being about one foot I will think of using brass reinforced lead for at least some of the runs. Many of my windows have bevel borders and they are likely to use the reinforced lead along the bevels. I have built windows to five X five feet and been successful with the brass reinforced lead. I also like it because it stiffens the window while the putty sets up and permits instillation with less fear of breakage. Installed windows most often have 1/2" lead flat H which is only strong enough to permit instillation. Hanging windows will have a brass frame or wood frame. Really like a brass frame on a round window because of the low expense compared to a custom made round frame. If course, a came bender is required to make the circle. You can either buy a came bender or perhaps a SG studio will bend for a nominal charge like $2.00. Rebar is necessary on some windows. This is often true when the window is exposed to the weather and wind pressures. Every 18" is a rule of thumb for some. Better to strong then to weak, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 12:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:32:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: oleic acid Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <199801142029.OAA28217@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani, I got a mayo jar full of it about a hundred years ago woudn't have any idea where to look now. It came from a drug store originally. When we dicussed it a while back someone posted that there was an available flux that was all or part oelic.... don't remember the details. Hopefully we will have a searchable archive someday to help us. did find the MSDS which I included.... the stuff is non-toxic.... just a common organic fatty acid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- MSDS for OLEIC ACID Page 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 1 - PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- PRODUCT NAME: OLEIC ACID FORMULA: CH3(CH2)7CH:CH(CH2)7COOH FORMULA WT: 282.47 CAS NO.: 112-80-1 NIOSH/RTECS NO.: RG2275000 COMMON SYNONYMS: 9-OCTADECENOIC ACID PRODUCT CODES: 0224 EFFECTIVE: 05/06/86 REVISION #02 PRECAUTIONARY LABELLING BAKER SAF-T-DATA(TM) SYSTEM HEALTH - 0 NONE FLAMMABILITY - 1 SLIGHT REACTIVITY - 0 NONE CONTACT - 1 SLIGHT HAZARD RATINGS ARE 0 TO 4 (0 = NO HAZARD; 4 = EXTREME HAZARD). LABORATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT SAFETY GLASSES; LAB COAT PRECAUTIONARY LABEL STATEMENTS DURING USE AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES, SKIN, CLOTHING. WASH THOROUGHLY AFTER HANDLING. WHEN NOT IN USE KEEP IN TIGHTLY CLOSED CONTAINER. SAF-T-DATA(TM) STORAGE COLOR CODE: ORANGE (GENERAL STORAGE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 2 - HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- COMPONENT % CAS NO. NOT APPLICABLE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 3 - PHYSICAL DATA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- BOILING POINT: N/A VAPOR PRESSURE(MM HG): 9.4 MELTING POINT: 6 C ( 43 F) VAPOR DENSITY(AIR=1): N/A SPECIFIC GRAVITY: 0.89 EVAPORATION RATE: N/A (H2O=1) (BUTYL ACETATE=1) SOLUBILITY(H2O): NEGLIGIBLE (LESS THAN 0.1 %) % VOLATILES BY VOLUME: 100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- MSDS for OLEIC ACID Page 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- APPEARANCE & ODOR: COLORLESS TO LIGHT YELLOW VISCOUS LIQUID. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 4 - FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FLASH POINT (CLOSED CUP N/A NFPA 704M RATING: 0-1-0 FLAMMABLE LIMITS: UPPER - N/A % LOWER - N/A % FIRE EXTINGUISHING MEDIA USE EXTINGUISHING MEDIA APPROPRIATE FOR SURROUNDING FIRE. SPECIAL FIRE-FIGHTING PROCEDURES FIREFIGHTERS SHOULD WEAR PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS WITH FULL FACEPIECE OPERATED IN POSITIVE PRESSURE MODE. TOXIC GASES PRODUCED CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 5 - HEALTH HAZARD DATA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- TOXICITY: LD50 (IV-MOUSE) (MG/KG) - 230 CARCINOGENICITY: NTP: NO IARC: NO Z LIST: NO OSHA REG: NO EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE NO EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE WERE DOCUMENTED. TARGET ORGANS NONE IDENTIFIED MEDICAL CONDITIONS GENERALLY AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE NONE IDENTIFIED ROUTES OF ENTRY NONE INDICATED EMERGENCY AND FIRST AID PROCEDURES INGESTION: IF SWALLOWED AND THE PERSON IS CONSCIOUS, IMMEDIATELY GIVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF WATER. GET MEDICAL ATTENTION. INHALATION: IF A PERSON BREATHES IN LARGE AMOUNTS, MOVE THE EXPOSED PERSON TO FRESH AIR. GET MEDICAL ATTENTION. EYE CONTACT: IMMEDIATELY FLUSH WITH PLENTY OF WATER FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES. GET MEDICAL ATTENTION. SKIN CONTACT: IMMEDIATELY WASH WITH PLENTY OF SOAP AND WATER FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 6 - REACTIVITY DATA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- STABILITY: STABLE HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: WILL NOT OCCUR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- MSDS for OLEIC ACID Page 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- CONDITIONS TO AVOID: HEAT, LIGHT INCOMPATIBLES: STRONG OXIDIZING AGENTS, ALUMINUM DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 7 - SPILL AND DISPOSAL PROCEDURES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF A SPILL OR DISCHARGE WEAR SUITABLE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. TAKE UP WITH SAND OR OTHER NONCOM- BUSTIBLE ABSORBENT MATERIAL AND PLACE INTO CONTAINER FOR LATER DISPOSAL. FLUSH SPILL AREA WITH WATER. DISPOSAL PROCEDURE DISPOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 8 - PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- VENTILATION: USE ADEQUATE GENERAL OR LOCAL EXHAUST VENTILATION TO KEEP VAPOR AND MIST LEVELS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: NONE REQUIRED WHERE ADEQUATE VENTILATION CONDITIONS EXIST. IF AIRBORNE CONCENTRATION IS HIGH, USE AN APPROPRIATE RESPIRATOR OR DUST MASK. 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(NON-REGULATED) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- MSDS for OLEIC ACID Page 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:09:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:07:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: large panel construction? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:15:12 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > You're absolutely correct, Len. > I don't remember a thread on > flipping a large stained glass > panel. I'll do the drawings and > you write the text, okay? ;-) And the Guild will publish it in CGG. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:24:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:24:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801142124.QAA09212@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI Dani, Up for air for a few moments.... We buy whiting in 50lb. bags from a ceramic supplier in the area CreekTurn Ceramics. Its about $10.00 or 20.00 . The reason I don't remember is because we usually get our plaster at the same time. They are a pretty big company and have a catalog. If you don't have a ceramic supplier one near you I can send you a few numbers. > But, where do you buy oleic acid? No-corrode(SP?) is the flux we use. It is oleic acid.. Some of the stuff lets off some pretty nasty fumes but we have had the best results with the no-corrode(sp?) As for our bevel scenerio....had Houston ship us overnite the right bevel. Another problem solved. And for flipping those biggggies.....ah I wish I had a video of some of our flips, Its like a ballet. I was trying to think of the largest commission we've done in one panel. This will take a bit.....and probably a bit of discussion. My brain cells haven't been fumed out. And Paul thinks his are all in tack. I am sure we won't agree on this. Well back to work. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801142129.QAA09449@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> Remember, you are the >> professional and it is your name that will be on the beautiful piece >> of work properly done in the window or on the pile of glass shards on >> the floor. Albert wrote, >Not to mention that it'll be your name on the legal papers when they >file a lawsuit claiming that as a professional you shoulda known >better. Here's hoping her liability insurance is paid up. This is not really meant to scare you....but just something to think about when taking on a commission. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:52:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan14.55250.0> References: <<1998Jan13.234916.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn: Sounds like you may have misunderstood your clients who want to hang the panel in a wooden frame but have it bordered in zinc. This means you would construct the panel using a zinc border and then fit it into the wooden frame that would hang in the window. Then allows them to remove the panel if they should move and want to take the window with them. But maybe I didn't understand your question. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:58:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:57:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: half circle bevels Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:51:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.215144.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I received a flyer from Delphi in the mail today. They have their bevels on sale. I'm sorry I don't remember who was asking about 1/2 circle bevels last week but they are listed in 2, 3, and 4 inches. If whoever wants to e-mail me privately I would be more than happy to give you the prices on individual or boxes of 30. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 13:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:59:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:52:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.215229.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-13 13:02:02 EST, you write: << I am using a sal-ammoniac block for cleaning, and using Canfield 60/40 solder. Any opinions out there on the purity of this solder? >> Dawn, I have found Canfield's solder to be the best out of the many brands I have tried. It seems to have less impurities, and runs a much smoother bead for me. It just seems to me that it has a shinier finish and a better consistency or "flow". There are many glass workers that will tell you that "solder is solder" but I really do see a difference, and like Canfields the best. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 14:20:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: reinforcement Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:18:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.121854.0> References: <<1998Jan14.174928.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shopfreaks wrote: > > Here's a blanket question to all of you experienced window makers. What is > the largest you would build a panel WITHOUT some kind of reinforcement in it > or around the perimeter. (Besides the framing itself). I've never built a > window, so I'm looking for some guidelines. Does anyone have the basics they > would take the time to share, or could recommend a good book on the subject. > I want to broaden my knowledge base. > > Thankyou, > Theresa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it would depend on what method you used, lead or foil. and how straight the pieces are. like a 6" x 6" chessboard would be floppy. but a 20" x 20" design that has large background pieces will alot of curves, will be alot stronger. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 14:25:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.122338.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Teresa- As a rule of thumb, we go no larger than 14 perimeter feet without bracing. However, that is assuming the window is = installed against exterior glazing. Other factors must be considered also, for example, a long and skinny window would need some kind of reinforcement in any case. Also agree with Len's comment about planning the bracing during the intitial design of the window - slapping reinforcement on after- the-fact rarely yields very good aesthetic results. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 14:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.122338.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Teresa- As a rule of thumb, we go no larger than 14 perimeter feet without bracing. However, that is assuming the window is = installed against exterior glazing. Other factors must be considered also, for example, a long and skinny window would need some kind of reinforcement in any case. Also agree with Len's comment about planning the bracing during the intitial design of the window - slapping reinforcement on after- the-fact rarely yields very good aesthetic results. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 15:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:06:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Suncatcher Question Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:55:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan14.225555.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-14 13:47:15 EST, you write: << you can run the copper wire all the way around the outside edge >> I have an extremely difficult time "hiding" the wire when I do this. Either the iron is too hot or if I get it cool enough to keep the solder on the side then its lumpy. I haven't been happy with any that I have done. I would appreciate any imput/suggestions on doing this well. Thanks in advance!! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 16:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Suncatcher Question Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:10:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980114191029.00710550@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have an extremely difficult time "hiding" the wire when I do this. Either >the iron is too hot or if I get it cool enough to keep the solder on the side >then its lumpy. I haven't been happy with any that I have done. I would >appreciate any imput/suggestions on doing this well. Thanks in advance!! Lu >Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) There is a product out called Flex-braid made for the bottoms of lamp shades that works well around the outside of suncatchers. It is very flexible to go around curves, but soaks up the solder and makes a very sturdy reinforcement. I highly recommend it. And it is just the right width, so no lumps and bumps! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 16:14:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:07:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan15.0710.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-13 19:43:15 EST, you write: << 've never heard of sal amoniac water. but you would'nt be dipping something electrical in it, you would be dipping something hot into it. the tips are usaully made of copper or steel, but are usaully tinned, so it won't really rust. ---Mike Savad >> Mike, I've never heard of sal amoniac water either, and I'm afraid I deleted a lot of the flux thread. Maybe someone who uses this could elaborate on how it is made and how they use it. Im replying to you, because in reading your post, I got the idea that it might be a good idea to saturate the sponge you use to clean the iron in this sal amoniac water, to really keep the iron clean. What do you think? now if we could just find out more about this.........~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 16:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:52:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 1st.net!glasqult From: Joni Tornwall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:02:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.21239.0> References: <<1998Jan14.94855.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dani and everyone, They have oleic acid at Franklin Art Glass in Columbus,OH. It comes in 2 oz. 16 oz. and 1 Gallon containers. I have asked about it when I was in the store, and at the time, they had it only in the larger containers. But I have used it and I agree that it works very well. Joni ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 16:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering 101 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.145218.0> References: <<1998Jan15.0710.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ItsAlison wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-13 19:43:15 EST, you write: > > << 've never heard of sal amoniac water. but you would'nt be dipping > something electrical in it, you would be dipping something hot into it. > > the tips are usaully made of copper or steel, but are usaully tinned, so > it won't really rust. > > ---Mike Savad >> > > Mike, > I've never heard of sal amoniac water either, and I'm afraid I deleted a > lot of the flux thread. Maybe someone who uses this could elaborate on how it > is made and how they use it. Im replying to you, because in reading your > post, I got the idea that it might be a good idea to saturate the sponge you > use to clean the iron in this sal amoniac water, to really keep the iron > clean. What do you think? now if we could just find out more about > this.........~Alison~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass sal amoniac is basically flux for you soldering iron (or at least that's how it was explained to me at one point). i only use it when the sponge does'nt work. and when i bring home a new tip, a little smokey, but it works. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 17:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:39:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MJHiester From: MJHiester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Nightlights Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:38:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan15.1387.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-13 19:37:40 EST, herba@inspace.net writes: << At times, I run across electrical outlets in a bathroom where the receptacle has been installed horizontally instead of the more normal vertical installation. >> Herb, Sunshine Glassworks sells a nifty little night-lite where the prongs rotate 90 degrees. You can use it either vertical or horizontal. You should be able to find one at your supplier. Mike mjhiester@aol.com (Mike Hiester) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 17:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:58:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "lydia" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan13.183758.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use the same MSIE with outlook for my mail reader and have no problems either ( unless I get knocked off line in the middle of downloading the messages .. then I get everything 2x's) you can download it for free at www.microsoft.com follow the download link it will take a few hours to down load the whole program and all addons but it's well worth the time. Lydia -----Original Message----- From: Herb Adler To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! >I have not had any crash problems using MSIE4 with MS Outlook Express as the >e-mail product. I am able to filter messages from any source into individual >folders. All my bungi mail goes into a "stained glass" folder, and they are >all sorted by "thread" and thus all together for ease of reading. I also >know that my ISP catches spams B4 they get to me so I get none of that. BTW, >for those of you experiencing these problems if you haven't already, please >check with your ISP. >My sympathy to all of you having this problem >-----Original Message----- >From: Don McDonald >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 10:51 AM >Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! > > >-- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 18:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:19:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:59:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.15594.0> References: <<1998Jan10.19435.0@?>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As for why the tallow would work, I have never tried it and wonder how well it would work on foil that is slightly discolored. In other words does it really have any cleaning properties? But then again, weren't the old time soaps made from rendered fat? As far as the ability to keep the solder from oxidizing while you work, I should think it would do a fine job at keeping the air off the molten metal. ---------------------------------------------> A question came up about the sal-ammoniac water. Back in 1973 when I got my first real job working in stained glass I worked for an old timer who had bags of sal-ammoniac powder. He would mix a couple of tablespoons of the powder in a cup of water and make sal-ammoniac water. (Today I just chisel the corner off my block ant toss it into water.) To tell the truth the larger the iron you are using the more of an asset the sal-ammoniac water is. If your iron gets a lot of gumbo on it, a sharp jab into the water, (tip only) will break all of the crud off and it sinks to the bottom of the cup. Sometimes a sizzling ball of crud is still hanging on the tip, but you can shake it right off. If done correctly the tip will be clean and shiny and still hot enough to resume work. If jabbed too slowly, nothing will break off, and you will cool off your tip to the point that you have to wait for it to heat up again. As for using it in a sponge, I tried that many years ago and it didn't work. The technique depends on the sudden thermal shock to work. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:14:17 +0000 Steve Richard writes: >In message <1998Jan10.19435.0@?>, dodgestudio@juno.com writes >>Dani, >> >>If you don't mind a bit of speculation here I'll tell you what I >THINK I >>MAY know.... or something like that. >> >Very interesting set of speculations. They may be right. But, why >does >tallow (animal fat) work just as well (and with many fewer risks than >the paste fluxes - unless you can get BSE from tallow!!) > >Just wondering >Steve >-- >Steve Richard >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 19:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:51:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Another how to make glass site. Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.115039.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Now I am not good at email addresses so bear with me. Kokomo has an illustrated plant tour on how glass is made. @ www.kog.com/plant_tour_four.html Hope you like it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 20:10:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:09:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:09:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.15943.0> References: <<1998Jan11.03848.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Bunglas wrote: > > Don, go back and check your mail again. There have been far more than > ". . . 4 or 5 posts......."! And, I suspect that if everyone who > has had the problem were to write in we would find more than we could > imagine! > > Which is what we are all TRYING to do, "contribute to the list". It > is unfortunate that we are being prevented from doing this by ONE > persons mail program. Is it really fair to ask a dozen people to > change mail programs when only ONE persons messages are causing this > trouble? > > I find it offensive that a couple of you (who take this crashing so > non-challantly) are critical of those of us who have had to spend > hours (in some cases entire days!) with a crashed system! > > We, for the most part, are not computer wizards. Crashes are a BIG > problem for us! Please understand, it is not fun to have your system > down for a day, or even a half day, and have to spend hours working on > resolving the problem. > > I have now set up a mail account with YahooMail (FREE) just for my > Bungi mail. I do not choose to change my mail program because of one > person (I like what I have!), I want to continue the Bungi > relationship, and I do NOT want to spend another day untangling these > problems. If anyone out there has a better solution, please share it > with the group. We appear to need help! > Bonnie > _________________________________________________________ I'm very sorry to say that I feel like the above dialog is EXACTLY the type which may be far more harmful than conducive to the usual pervasive atmosphere of COOPERATION which is THE REASON that the bungi list exists in my mailbox at all. I believe that it is also this type of sniping and griping which turns off many of our more knowlegeable professionals from reaching out to us on this list and to whom we are but complete strangers except for what they interpret of our character, morality, generousity, etc., from our communication with each other via this list. (Seems like deja-vu to some of you out there, eh...) Please, PLEASE couch your requests and problems to each other in a KIND, COOPERATIVE, and LESS harsh-sounding tone of communication, okay? Each and EVERY of us is potentially a contributor to the whole bungi experience and our interaction with each other is an intrinsically (sp?) valuable part of that experience. By all means, please continue to probe a solution to these and other problems, but not at the expense of one another's feelings. It's not worth the public humiliation to be on the receiving end, and invariably it DOES get turned back on one sooner or later. [Sound of feet plopping down off of BIG soap box and walking back into the real world. Sound of someone arming themselves with fire extinguisher is then heard, as this person returns to silent contemplation of just which piece of glass is the exact RIGHT shade for that particular side of the tree trunk pattern...] Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 20:28:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:28:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: mindwarp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:08:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.18858.0> References: <<199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been wondering how I'm going to flip it... I would love to hear your suggestions. len alcamo wrote: Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent thread :-) Good Luck! Len > --> > >A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They > >don't > >want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan > to > >hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the > panel.> > >Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 20:35:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:34:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: somtel.com!rickym From: "Maria Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: change of email address Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:51:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199801150437.XAA17679@quint.somtel.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Maria Haley > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: change of email address > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 1:09 PM > > Hi Everybody, > I am usually just a lurker but I too was having email troubles.It started a > while ago, long before the most recent crashes. I decided to try another > email address with Yahoo. My server was always quick to help but I > continually would lose messages because one would lock up my inbox. My new > email address is rickym88@yahoo.com. I hope this works. I am not totally > computer illiterate but I am not sure it was all set up correctly. Please > send all messages from the list to the above email address. I look forward > to reading all messages from this list every morning with my coffee. You > are all a huge part of my day. Thanks for all the help!!! :-) > > Maria (Still unthawing in the icy state of > Maine.) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 22:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:13:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:14:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.171427.0> References: <<199801140257.CAA11837@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dear Elisabeth, Shirley & Dani, whaddya think 'bout trying a citronella candle? It has a sort of lemony-thing going for it as well as the properties of a candle...and a smoky one at that! Who know this may very change our whole view of flux and fusion forever! :-) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA Toby wrote: > > Oh Well , Shirley!!!! > a 100 out of 100 for Enterprise!!! > Improvise!! I shout at my students, IMPROVISE! > You appear to have taken it to a real Fine Art! > Can't WAIT to try your experiments for myself!!! > Sounds like good fun! > Try the common or garden household candle as well (as I will) and let > us compare results!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Hey Dani, > > This sounded like such fun, I did a little experimenting > with common households "acids". The following are my > personal results using a Weller l00 iron with 800 tip. > These figures are based using Glastar Gel Flux being rated > at 10: > > 100% Lye w/enough water to make paste 0 > Household ammonia 0 > Vinegar (5% acidity) 4 > Olive oil 4 > Lemon Juice (reconstituted) 8 > 50/50% Lemon Juice/Olive Oil 6 > Patchouli oil 2 (but it smelled > great!) > > All these tests were done with clean flux brushes on copper > foil (7/32" black-back) and Canfield 50/50 solder. > > Feeling like Bill Nye, The Science Guy or Mr. Wizard, > Shirley > Grapeland, Tx. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 22:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:20:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Another how to make glass site. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:16:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan15.61632.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-14 22:56:16 EST, you write: << Kokomo has an illustrated plant tour on how glass is made. @ www.kog.com/plant_tour_four.html >> I wasn't able to connect with the above URL but I was with: http://www.kog.com/ >From their home page they give you links to the tour of the plant, glass gallery, and the workshop. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 22:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:57:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:58:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.175837.0> References: <<1998Jan14.94855.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Len- > > But, where do you buy oleic acid? > I've tried everywhere including = > > the oldest pharmacy in town (where > I acquire some of the weirdest > substances imaginable for art > projects! They usually have to dig > in the basement where they stored > something 30 years ago.) Let us > know - and while we're on the > subject of finding things - I'm > still trying to find a source for > groomers chalk (whiting) in large > bags, powder form not in block > form. Any clues? Thanks! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Dear Dani, You can purchase Canfield's "Soleic Flux", which is an oleic acid flux wholesale only from The Glass Emporium, in North Wales, PA. The largest amounts of whiting I have found are the 2 lb. (which seems small to me for your purposes,) bag available from Whittemore Durgin via wholesale OR retail; or, in a 5 lb. box (wholesale only) through Ed Hoy's. I hope this helps you out some... Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 23:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:01:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: oleic acid & big bags of whiting... Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.18155.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dear Dani, sorry to post yet one more message about the same subject, but I found that Glass Emporium in North Wales also sells whiting by the 25 lb. bag! Hope THIS helps... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 23:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: oleic acid Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:15:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.151551.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo [SMTP:alcamoz@mwt.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:43 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: oleic acid Dani, I got a mayo jar full of it about a hundred years ago woudn't have any idea where to look now. It came from a drug store originally. When we dicussed it a while back someone posted that there was an available flux that was all or part oelic.... don't remember the details. 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"" &```` M``# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$`````````'@`]``$````$````4D4Z +``,`#33]-P``47D` ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 23:41:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:40:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dani's Whiting Quest (was Why Flux?) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:40:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.194030.0> References: <<1998Jan14.94855.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hi Ho Dani! Was just cruising through Houston's catalog and found they sell whiting in 50 lb. bags. You might also inquire about larger quantities ... they've always been cool about my wacked-out requests. Their number is 1-800-231-0148. Up to my ears in Sales Tax Time, Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Dani Greer wrote: > I'm > still trying to find a source for > groomers chalk (whiting) in large > bags, powder form not in block > form. Any clues? Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 14 23:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: large panel construction? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:51:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.155119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: mindwarp [SMTP:mindwarp@sgi.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:09 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: large panel construction? I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been wondering how I'm going to flip it... I would love to hear your suggestions. [Glenn Spicer] there are numerous ways to flip. Many can be flipped by sliding the wind halfway out over the table edge, tilted, reversed while in the vertical, put to the table edge at the halfway point, tilted back to horizontal, then slide back onto the table. Larger and/or more fragile works can be slide onto or made on an appropriately sized piece of plywood, the plywood is then tilted with the window (giving the window full support), when the window is vertical the ply is placed on the opposite side and the window lowered on the ply to the horizontal position. 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"" &``````# ````````1@`````XA0`` J`0````$`````````'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<``(@! ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 01:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:19:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ? Temp mellts solder Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:19:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan14.17194.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am toying with the idea of building a stained glass display stand to support a small free standing design. I once put a beveled glass cube in a 200 degree oven to evaporate the moisture that was in it. It melted the solder. I figured it was because the heat was intensified by the sand and glass. If light bulbs can bake cakes in kids ovens, then can it get hot enough to melt the solder. And if so what precautions do you take? ie, vents and distance between solder and light bulb? Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 05:22:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:21:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com (D k Tenhoff) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:21:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan15.13213.0> References: <<199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been wondering how I'm going to flip it... I would love to hear your suggestions. I build my panels on ceiling tiles, homoseote (spelling?) or plywood. Whatever I build it on I buy two of. One tile is under the panel already and when I'm ready to flip I put the second one on top of the panel like a huge sandwich and very carefully flip. By this time I don't need the panel with the cartoon on it anymore. Larger panels may need more than one person to help with flipping. Debbie T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 05:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:34:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: MSDS site Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:44:48 -0600 Message-ID: <199801151331.HAA08771@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [Glenn Spicer] Is there a URL where one can get these MSDS write ups on chemicals? Glenn, this is the site that I have in my favorites (bookmarks for the Netscape people). There are several gopher (good old gopher) driven university MSDS archives gopher://gopher.mq.edu.au/77/UsefulInfo/MSDS/.index/msds Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 07:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:00:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.4597.0> References: <<1998Jan14.18858.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mindwarp wrote: > > I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been > wondering how I'm going to flip it... > > I would love to hear your suggestions. > > len alcamo wrote: > > Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent > thread :-) > > Good Luck! > > Len > > --> > > >A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They > > >don't > > >want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan > > to > > >hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the > > panel.> > > >Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when i did mine i carefully picked it up and flipped it. i should have built on a sheet of plywood with a ledge on one side. after soldering another board would be placed on the panel (like a cookie). then you and a friend would hold the boards together and flip the whole thing. this eliminates the chance of snaping it in 2. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 08:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:43:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Thanks Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:43:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.104337.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to thank all of you who responded to my problem with "ugly patina". It's been very helpful and I've been successful with my latest project thanks to all advice. Now my problem is getting over being so picky and exact with my fittings. I used to be a quilter for quite a while and worked hard at making my points and corners perfect. Needless to say I get frustrated trying to fit the glass pieces perfectly. My daughter, (24) who has had no instruction, watched me work during one of her visits and fell in love with the art. She called one day while on one of her business trips and asked if I'd get all the basic tools for her to get started. Upon her return home, she did a suncatcher and then followed it with a 16"x20" dolphin in water piece that turned out great! She did get some help from her local glass shop with the outside edge finishing. She keeps telling me to "just go for it, Mom". And I keep trying. Anyway, she'll be hooking up with the bungi group soon, I've raved about how helpful it's been to me. She's not one to let grass grow under her feet. Just thought I'd pass that little story on. Thanks for listening. Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 16:00:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Reinforcement Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:56:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.85653.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk When I design and build a large window (3'x3' or 4'x4') I plan for the reinforcement to be part of the design. I use re-strip in between my foiled pieces at strategic points (usually every couple of sq. ft.). I find that the re-strip works great and adds alot of strength without being seen. Thanks for the tip on foiling nuggets. It sounds great! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 16:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:13:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Receiving mail,Welcome MiChea'l, Great Site,Question for Mike S. Thank you Rand's and Albert Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:13:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801160013.TAA19044@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Shirley Balloch wrote: >> >> OK folks here is some more info for you computer literates. I barley >> know my way around the keyboard. >> I could not get mail through my local server. I could get on the web >> and I could send mail. I took the hard drive to the server and they >> deinstalled and reinstalled and they couldn't get their program to work >> either. My computer came with netscape. They showed me how to use it. >> I have a lot of book marks on my servers program that I can't figure out >> how to transport to netscape. So I use my server to surf the net and >> netscape to get my mail. I log on with my server and then I log onto >> netscape. >> I have always gotten MiChea'l posts, but I have never been advised there >> were attachments with it. Maybe that is because this system seems to >> have so many security programs. >> When I was just using the server Mike's post(when was that last summer) >> blocked my system and I lost all my mail, cause it had to be deleted at >> the servers, and we had to deinstall and reinstall. >> Does that help anyone? >> I am glad you decided to stay with the group MiChea'l and welcome back. >> This site is more helpful than words or hugs could ever tell. I always >> tell my children (and anyone else who will listen) that education is the >> best thing you can spend your money on, cause it will come back ten fold >> over the rest of your life. And here we are, generously getting it for >> free!!!!!!!!! >> I did 40 craft shows last year. I shared this site with other glass >> vendors and customers alike. I hope to do 12 this year and I'm debating >> about printing out Mikes web page info and leaving it as a free hand >> out. Would that be OK Mike? >> I just can't say Thank you enough. The biggest Thank you is to Albert >> for telling me about this list and of course the Rand's for operating >> it. I can't imagine how they do the computer part let alone the >> babysitting. And they want more.!! Well I am clinking the champagne >> glass and here's a toast to you and my hat is off to you too. >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >i guess that's ok, (providing you were talking about me... :) ). there's >alot of pages to print though. maybe if you can keep an address location >on it, that would be nice... would it be in color? > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 16:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:48:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: solder alloys and why Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.144722.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have enjoyed some of the = info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and lead give = little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we do. So = for some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and = hey, even maybe more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves = with this piece I wrote a few years ago.=20 DID YOU KNOW... ... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at = 300k is 11.4. Tin=92s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is = ... oh, never mind, that=92s too much information. Solder is an alloy of = tin and lead, and the proportion of the two affects the melting point. = The most suitable for almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, = 40% lead... Helpful Jim)(a titanic intellect in a world full of = icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, lead at 621F. But something weird = happens when you combine the two- the melting point drops down as low as = 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this out: %TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT 0 100 621F 30 70 496F 50 50 421F 60 40 375F 63 37 361F If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the melting = point begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore = 63/37 solder has the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that = ratio was a gimmick, eh? With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike=92s = metals commodities broker) checked, tin was about ten times more = expensive than lead, telling you why there=92s a big difference in = solder prices. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 = (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass = supplier. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

    Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have = enjoyed=20 some of the info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and = lead=20 give little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we = do. So for=20 some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and hey, = even maybe=20 more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves with this piece = I wrote=20 a few years ago.  

DID YOU KNOW...

... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at = 300k is=20 11.4. Tin’s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is ... = oh, never=20 mind, that’s too much information. Solder is an alloy of tin and = lead, and=20 the proportion of the two affects the melting point. The most suitable = for=20 almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, 40% lead... Helpful = Jim)(a=20 titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, = lead at=20 621F. But something weird happens when you combine the two- the melting = point=20 drops down as low as 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this=20 out:

%TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT

0        =20 100           &nbs= p;=20 621F

30        =20 70            = ;=20 496F

50        =20 50            = ;=20 421F

60        =20 40            = ;=20 375F

63        =20 37            = ;=20 361F

If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the = melting point=20 begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore 63/37 = solder has=20 the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that ratio was a = gimmick, eh?=20 With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike’s metals commodities = broker)=20 checked, tin was about ten times more expensive than lead, telling you = why=20 there’s a big difference in solder prices.

-
Fantasy In Glass, 703 The = Queensway,=20 Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and still = its only=20 officially sanctioned stained glass=20 supplier.
 
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 17:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:28:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980115202804.006ac000@pop.erols.com> References: <<1998Jan14.18858.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:59 AM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >mindwarp wrote: >> >> I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been >> wondering how I'm going to flip it... >> >> I would love to hear your suggestions. >> >> len alcamo wrote: >> >> Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent >> thread :-) >> >> Good Luck! >> >> Len >> > --> >> > >A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They >> > >don't >> > >want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan >> > to >> > >hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the >> > panel.> >> > >Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >when i did mine i carefully picked it up and flipped it. i should have >built on a sheet of plywood with a ledge on one side. after soldering >another board would be placed on the panel (like a cookie). then you and >a friend would hold the boards together and flip the whole thing. this >eliminates the chance of snaping it in 2. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > We tend to use the real cheap luan doors available at the home centers. These are those hollow core doors that have a light brown finish on them...we use the 36" wide ones, the standard height is 80". The doors are extremely light and realtively inexpensive and very sturdy. We build all of our large panels on these...one has a border around it to square up the work then by placing another on top of it we can flip it by sliding the "sandwich " to the edge of the workbench until the middle of the sandwich is centered over the edge of the workbench. Then we move the sandwich to a vertical position and reverse the above procedure.. We have flipped panels as large as 34"X74" with no problem. This setup also doubles great as a packaging solution for transportation to the job site....with proper padding of course. Hope this helps and wasn't too long winded. Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" P.O. Box 322 Glyndon, MD 21071 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 18:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: large panel construction? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:28:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980115202804.006ac000@pop.erols.com> References: <<1998Jan14.18858.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:59 AM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >mindwarp wrote: >> >> I am currently working on my first 3x3 project....and have been >> wondering how I'm going to flip it... >> >> I would love to hear your suggestions. >> >> len alcamo wrote: >> >> Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent >> thread :-) >> >> Good Luck! >> >> Len >> > --> >> > >A client wants a panel, 34" (tall) x 45" (wide), lead construction. They >> > >don't >> > >want it framed in wood, but prefer to have it bordered in metal. They plan >> > to >> > >hang it, in a window that's only minutely bigger than the size of the >> > panel.> >> > >Is this doable? My inclination is to strongly suggest they NOT hang it, >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >when i did mine i carefully picked it up and flipped it. i should have >built on a sheet of plywood with a ledge on one side. after soldering >another board would be placed on the panel (like a cookie). then you and >a friend would hold the boards together and flip the whole thing. this >eliminates the chance of snaping it in 2. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > We tend to use the real cheap luan doors available at the home centers. These are those hollow core doors that have a light brown finish on them...we use the 36" wide ones, the standard height is 80". The doors are extremely light and realtively inexpensive and very sturdy. We build all of our large panels on these...one has a border around it to square up the work then by placing another on top of it we can flip it by sliding the "sandwich " to the edge of the workbench until the middle of the sandwich is centered over the edge of the workbench. Then we move the sandwich to a vertical position and reverse the above procedure.. We have flipped panels as large as 34"X74" with no problem. This setup also doubles great as a packaging solution for transportation to the job site....with proper padding of course. Hope this helps and wasn't too long winded. Robert & Jeanne Keane Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" P.O. Box 322 Glyndon, MD 21071 410-833-3007 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 18:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:44:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: solder alloyus Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.164412.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD21FE.B78FB420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have enjoyed some of the = info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and lead give = little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we do. So = for some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and = hey, even maybe more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves = with this piece I wrote a few years ago. =20 DID YOU KNOW... ... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at = 300k is 11.4. Tin=92s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is = ... oh, never mind, that=92s too much information. Solder is an alloy of = tin and lead, and the proportion of the two affects the melting point. = The most suitable for almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, = 40% lead... Helpful Jim)(a titanic intellect in a world full of = icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, lead at 621F. But something weird = happens when you combine the two- the melting point drops down as low as = 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this out: %TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT 0 100 621F 30 70 496F 50 50 421F 60 40 375F 63 37 361F If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the melting = point begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore = 63/37 solder has the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that = ratio was a gimmick, eh? With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike=92s = metals commodities broker) checked, tin was about ten times more = expensive than lead, telling you why there=92s a big difference in = solder prices. - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 = (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass = supplier. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD21FE.B78FB420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have = enjoyed=20 some of the info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and = lead=20 give little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we = do. So for=20 some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and hey, = even maybe=20 more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves with this piece = I wrote=20 a few years ago.  

DID YOU KNOW...

... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at = 300k is=20 11.4. Tin’s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is ... = oh, never=20 mind, that’s too much information. Solder is an alloy of tin and = lead, and=20 the proportion of the two affects the melting point. The most suitable = for=20 almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, 40% lead... Helpful = Jim)(a=20 titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, = lead at=20 621F. But something weird happens when you combine the two- the melting = point=20 drops down as low as 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this=20 out:

%TIN       %=20 LEAD           MELTING = POINT

0        =20 100           &nbs= p;=20 621F

30        =20 70            = ;=20 496F

50        =20 50            = ;=20 421F

60        =20 40            = ;=20 375F

63        =20 37            = ;=20 361F

If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the = melting point=20 begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore 63/37 = solder has=20 the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that ratio was a = gimmick, eh?=20 With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike’s metals commodities = broker)=20 checked, tin was about ten times more expensive than lead, telling you = why=20 there’s a big difference in solder prices.

-
Fantasy In Glass, 703 The = Queensway,=20 Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and still = its only=20 officially sanctioned stained glass=20 supplier.
 
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Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:32:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:29:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199801160332.DAA29076@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, VT, Citronella candle, heh! As it happens, I have a big one left from last summer's suppers on the patio outdoors. Hoped to use it again NEXT summer , for the same purpose (keeping those darned midges away!!). But what does one not sacrifice to the service of "science" ;-> Will instantly try and use my citronella candle as flux!! Watch this space! If you hear nothing, send out the search-party!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dear Elisabeth, Shirley & Dani, whaddya think 'bout trying a citronella candle? It has a sort of lemony-thing going for it as well as the properties of a candle...and a smoky one at that! Who know this may very change our whole view of flux and fusion forever! :-) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA Toby wrote: > > Oh Well , Shirley!!!! > a 100 out of 100 for Enterprise!!! > Improvise!! I shout at my students, IMPROVISE! > You appear to have taken it to a real Fine Art! > Can't WAIT to try your experiments for myself!!! > Sounds like good fun! > Try the common or garden household candle as well (as I will) and let > us compare results!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Hey Dani, > > This sounded like such fun, I did a little experimenting > with common households "acids". The following are my > personal results using a Weller l00 iron with 800 tip. > These figures are based using Glastar Gel Flux being rated > at 10: > > 100% Lye w/enough water to make paste 0 > Household ammonia 0 > Vinegar (5% acidity) 4 > Olive oil 4 > Lemon Juice (reconstituted) 8 > 50/50% Lemon Juice/Olive Oil 6 > Patchouli oil 2 (but it smelled > great!) > > All these tests were done with clean flux brushes on copper > foil (7/32" black-back) and Canfield 50/50 solder. > > Feeling like Bill Nye, The Science Guy or Mr. Wizard, > Shirley > Grapeland, Tx. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 19:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:32:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:29:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199801160332.DAA29064@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Tallow Addicts, Old-time soaps were in deed made from "rendered fat". Even soaps nowadays has some "fat" content (though I have no idea what it is these days...). I was fortunate enough to experience the Docklands of London in the early 60's before they were abandoned and (now) fashionably developed. Many of the dock-land factories were soap producers, with the raw material arriving by boat/barge up along the Thames (real Dickensian stuff!). You walked along those very narrow alley ways and could smell several blocks away the perfume used to add to the soap production. My husband was a very keen amateur historian of Old London and through his work with the BBC, he gained access and entry to all sorts of strange places where the public was not normally allowed (In my mid-teens, when I first got to know him, I had to "endure" climbing down the sewers of London or up to the very top of inside Big Ben and watch how the old Penny adjusted the timing of Big Ben and have my ear shattered by the chimes - from "within" as it were. We also visited Billingsgate Fish Market at 3 in the morning - now long since gone, ) Sorry, but your mention about soap, just made these early memories come flooding back....... Does "tallow" clean? - Hmm, I doubt it. As far as I am aware, the tallow used for flux in stained glass is "refined" only as much as the tallow, used for the old fashioned lighting purpose. The only difference being that the taper ( = wick) has been removed. I may be wrong, but that is what I have been given to understand from my old teachers here. Anyone who has got newer and more scientific knowledge? I would love to know. Funnily enough, I have just accepted and perhaps not always asked WHY. Maybe it is because my mother hated me as a child because I would never STOP asking WHY (Yep, I was one of THOSE!!) ;-) All I know is that old-fashioned tallow is a reliable flux; cheap and readily available (here!) So I use it. It works. In a class situation, where my students have started to work with copper-foil, they often foil one week, solder the next. I.e. the foiled work is left exposed for 7 days. When they then start to solder it, they find that the copper and the solder just won't "key" properly. What I advise them to do is to put their foiled pieces away in a sealed plastic bag, so that neither air, not moisture can get to them and start oxidizing the copper. That seems to work quite well. Alternatively, I persuade them to foil for half the lesson and then to tin the foiled pieces the other half of the lesson, so as to cover the copper foil quickly. It's easier to add solder to solder, than to add it to copper that has been sitting around for a week. I also preach to them to keep their copper foil roll sealed tightly between usage. That also helps. As a last resort, I get them to very gently wire-wool the copper foil before they start applying flux & solder. (And please, remember, I am a LEAD-person by preference....). Everything - in the end - boils down to being patient, meticulous and slowing down. "Quick fixes" are expensive and unknown quantities. Care, attention, patience, elbow-grease and time can never really be replaced..... 2.30 am! Time for Bed! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Quote: As for why the tallow would work, I have never tried it and wonder how well it would work on foil that is slightly discolored. In other words does it really have any cleaning properties? But then again, weren't the old time soaps made from rendered fat? As far as the ability to keep the solder from oxidizing while you work, I should think it would do a fine job at keeping the air off the molten metal. ---------------------------------------------> A question came up about the sal-ammoniac water. Back in 1973 when I got my first real job working in stained glass I worked for an old timer who had bags of sal-ammoniac powder. He would mix a couple of tablespoons of the powder in a cup of water and make sal-ammoniac water. (Today I just chisel the corner off my block ant toss it into water.) To tell the truth the larger the iron you are using the more of an asset the sal-ammoniac water is. If your iron gets a lot of gumbo on it, a sharp jab into the water, (tip only) will break all of the crud off and it sinks to the bottom of the cup. Sometimes a sizzling ball of crud is still hanging on the tip, but you can shake it right off. If done correctly the tip will be clean and shiny and still hot enough to resume work. If jabbed too slowly, nothing will break off, and you will cool off your tip to the point that you have to wait for it to heat up again. As for using it in a sponge, I tried that many years ago and it didn't work. The technique depends on the sudden thermal shock to work. >>If you don't mind a bit of speculation here I'll tell you what I >THINK I >>MAY know.... or something like that. >> >Very interesting set of speculations. They may be right. But, why >does >tallow (animal fat) work just as well (and with many fewer risks than >the paste fluxes - unless you can get BSE from tallow!!) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 21:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:20:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Etched Name Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:18:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.131855.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A while back on Bungi someone said it was possible to use a rubber stamp in etching cream and thus get our name on the glass. I tried it this morning without a lot of success. Possibly my rubber stamp is too small. What size of letters do you have on your rubber stamp if you are still out there lurking? Bonnie Clark Washington State ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 21:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: solder alloys and why Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.191859.0> References: <<1998Jan15.144722.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Of greater importance than the relative melting temperatures of the various grades of solder are the actual properties of those solders when in the molten and semi-molten (also known as pasty) states. As you draw closer and closer to what some call the ultimate solder, 63/37, the real difference in terms of workability are 1) the viscosity of the solder or "how thick or watery" it is. The closer to 63/37 you get the thinner the molten solder is. Many find this watery solder easier to deal with, but most have better luck with a thicker solder for filling spaces where solder tends to run through. 2) The pasty range. Every solder has a range of temperatures between which it is neither fully liquid nor fully solid. This is referred to as the pasty range. The closer you get to 63/37, the shorter the pasty range of the solder. This means that 63/37 solder freezes hard almost instantly when it cools even a few degrees below its' threshold temperature of 361 degrees. A solder like 50/50 has a much wider range of temperatures between which it is pasty. If disturbed at all while in the pasty state, the surface will lose its' shine and look mat finished, almost like it has been sandblasted. Back in the days before Bondo, 10/90 solder was used to repair auto bodies. This 10% tin solder had such a wide pasty range that it was possible to heat it up into its' pasty range and have enough working time as it cooled to work it back and forth with putty knives and the like smoothing it onto the side of a fender of a car. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:47:22 -0500 "Mike Figgy" writes: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have enjoyed some of >the = >info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and lead give >= >little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we do. >So = >for some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and = >hey, even maybe more useful) information I throw myselves to the >wolves = >with this piece I wrote a few years ago.=20 > >DID YOU KNOW... > >... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at >= >300k is 11.4. Tin=92s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is >= >... oh, never mind, that=92s too much information. Solder is an alloy >of = >tin and lead, and the proportion of the two affects the melting point. >= >The most suitable for almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, >= >40% lead... Helpful Jim)(a titanic intellect in a world full of = >icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, lead at 621F. But something weird = >happens when you combine the two- the melting point drops down as low >as = >361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this out: > >%TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT > >0 100 621F > >30 70 496F > >50 50 421F > >60 40 375F > >63 37 361F > >If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the melting >= >point begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore >= >63/37 solder has the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought >that = >ratio was a gimmick, eh? With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike=92s >= >metals commodities broker) checked, tin was about ten times more = >expensive than lead, telling you why there=92s a big difference in = >solder prices. > >- >Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 = >(Tel:416-252-6868) >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass >= >supplier. > > >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
>

 

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    Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have >= >enjoyed=20 >some of the info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering >and = >lead=20 >give little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we >= >do. So for=20 >some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and hey, >= >even maybe=20 >more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves with this >piece = >I wrote=20 >a few years ago.  

>

DID YOU KNOW...

Sans = >MS" size=3D3> >

... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density >at = >300k is=20 >11.4. Tin’s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is ... >= >oh, never=20 >mind, that’s too much information. Solder is an alloy of tin and >= >lead, and=20 >the proportion of the two affects the melting point. The most suitable >= >for=20 >almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, 40% lead... Helpful = >Jim)(a=20 >titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, >= >lead at=20 >621F. But something weird happens when you combine the two- the >melting = >point=20 >drops down as low as 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check >this=20 >out:

 >

%TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT

 >

0        =20 >100           &nbs= >p;=20 >621F

>

30        =20 >70            = >;=20 >496F

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50        =20 >50            = >;=20 >421F

>

60        =20 >40            = >;=20 >375F

>

63        =20 >37            = >;=20 >361F

 >

If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the = >melting point=20 >begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore 63/37 >= >solder has=20 >the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that ratio was a = >gimmick, eh?=20 >With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike’s metals commodities = >broker)=20 >checked, tin was about ten times more expensive than lead, telling you >= >why=20 >there’s a big difference in solder prices.

>
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Fantasy In Glass, 703 The = >Queensway,=20 >Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and >still = >its only=20 >officially sanctioned stained glass=20 >supplier.
 
> >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 22:00:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:00:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980116005850.0082a3f0@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1998Jan13.13367.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It was written: >I have not had any crash problems using MSIE4 with MS Outlook Express as the >e-mail product. I know this is OLD news, but I've been busy for a couple of days and unable to get to the mail. What a controversy I missed! It's quite possible that certain versions of MSIE are buggier than others. That might explain why Herb had no problem where other MSIE users did. I swear by Eudora (Light (free) or Pro (currently ver3.x is available for $29 at their web site (www.eudora.com), an excellent deal. Version 4 is out, but it's quite buggy. (I belong to a mailing list just for Eudora, BTW) Both have filters, Pro has a spell checker, too. I have also used Pegasus which is excellent. And I have test run Netscape (very limited though nice for HTML messages), but I wouldn't recommend it or any other browser as one's mail reader, for reasons already stated earlier. Just had to add my two bucks! Best to all, M.-J. ?tahw woN .evird drah ym pu dekcab ev'I ,thgir llA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 15 23:47:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cutting a round hole in the side of a bottle. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:46:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.15460.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Is there some simple way to do this? I want to make a fountain out of liquir bottles. My thought is to have the bottles on their side and have the water flow out of the top of the bottle and into the side of another bottle below it and so forth. I will also need to take the bottom out of one of the bottles. Then I can hide the recirculating pump inside the base bottle. It will have to be tight enough to stop water from seeping out and loose enough to take off to care for the pump. Is there a way to do these two things. Please if you want to talk with me off list my address is balloch@netbridge.net and my ICQ # is 3384049 Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 00:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:57:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:52:38, -0500 Message-ID: <199801160852.DAA20100@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley writes: Is there some simple way to do this? I want to make a fountain out of liquir bottles. My thought is to have the bottles on their side and have the water flow out of the top of the bottle and into the side of another bottle below it and so forth. I will also need to take the bottom out of one of the bottles. Then I can hide the recirculating pump inside the base bottle. It will have to be tight enough to stop water from seeping out and loose enough to take off to care for the pump. Is there a way to do these two things. Please if you want to talk with me off list my address is balloch@netbridge.net and my ICQ # is 3384049 Thanks in advance. Well this is an interesting little problem. First it will be necessary to learn how to cut the bottom off a bottle. I like to place the bottle on its side against something like the back of a kitchen counter and rotate the bottle while marking a line with a marker where it is desired to cut on the side of the bottle. Now rotate the bottle while scoring with a wheeled cutter. Turn the bottle upright and add very hot water to the bottle to just cover the score and plunge into cold water. With a bit of luck the bottom will neatly fall off. The hard part here is getting a good clean score. The two pieces can be siliconed together and a 1/4" diamond bit will make a neat hole for the water exit line. I think you want a hole in the side of the bottle about one by three inches. This can be accomplished by drilling a hole in the side with a 1/4" diamond bit and by rotating the same bit around the hole to enlarge it to 3/4" if that is the size of the largest bit on your grinder. Now use the 3/4" bit to enlarge the hole to its final size. Silicone labeled for aquarium use should prove satisfactory. Consider using a large bottle at the bottom. This will increase your water resovor to avoid running the pump dry and perhaps let you use a small fountain pump (about $50.00 at Home Depot, etc.). Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 03:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Tshiro Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:57:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.105745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site administrator? I've used this link before but it's been a few months. Also according to my local glass shop Vicki Payne is closing her out retail supply portion of her business. If this is just a rumor I opologize ahead of time for starting any confusion :). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 04:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@BUNGI.COM'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.22839.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Donald, Your message is jibberish to me. Line after line like this: BAgMABBEFEiExQQYTUWEHInEU MoGRoQgjQrHBFVLR8CQzYnKCCQoWFxgZGiUmJygpKjQ1Njc4OTpDREVGR0hJSlNUVVZXWFlaY2Rl ZmdoaWpzdHV2d3h5eoOEhYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 04:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:28:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tshiro Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:36:16 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be > located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site > administrator? A lookup reveals that it's not Glenna, but The Communications Portico TCP-NET-DOM 23 Colah Road Mount Colah, NSW 2079 They're down in Australia. I'd guess that Tashiro's moved the site elsewhere ... yep! You can find it at http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 06:24:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:22:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting a round hole in the side of a bottle. Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:25:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.2254.0> References: <<1998Jan15.15460.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Is there some simple way to do this? Got a sandblast setup? Stretch some thick resist over the area where you want the hole, cut your hole in the resist, blast your hole through the bottle, might want to stuff something inside the bottle (like styrofoam sheet) to protect the inside surface of the bottle. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:16:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:15:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Rubber stamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.01446.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Bonnie, I am indeed still lurking about. I love bungi. I've been in the stained glass business for 17 years and I still learn new things from all you wonderful people. Now, as for the rubber stamp. My rubber stamp letters are approx. 1/4" tall. I put very little etching cream on an old mirror, spread it around and lightly dip my stamp into the muck. I then stamp the mirror to get rid of the excess etching cream. The stamp is then ready to use on the glass. I let the stamped glass piece set for a few minutes and then rinse it off. I hope that this helped a little. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:50:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tshiro Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:50:41 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Tshiro" on Jan 16, 5:57, Whispy Blu writes:] > Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be > located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site > administrator? I've used this link before but it's been a few months. Also > according to my local glass shop Vicki Payne is closing her out retail supply > portion of her business. If this is just a rumor I opologize ahead of time > for starting any confusion :). Lu Ann You're right,..thanks for letting us know. It's no longer avail. \ -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:53:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Tshiro Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:57:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.105745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site administrator? I've used this link before but it's been a few months. Also according to my local glass shop Vicki Payne is closing her out retail supply portion of her business. If this is just a rumor I opologize ahead of time for starting any confusion :). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@BUNGI.COM'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.22839.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Donald, Your message is jibberish to me. Line after line like this: BAgMABBEFEiExQQYTUWEHInEU MoGRoQgjQrHBFVLR8CQzYnKCCQoWFxgZGiUmJygpKjQ1Njc4OTpDREVGR0hJSlNUVVZXWFlaY2Rl ZmdoaWpzdHV2d3h5eoOEhYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:28:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tshiro Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:36:16 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be > located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site > administrator? A lookup reveals that it's not Glenna, but The Communications Portico TCP-NET-DOM 23 Colah Road Mount Colah, NSW 2079 They're down in Australia. I'd guess that Tashiro's moved the site elsewhere ... yep! You can find it at http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:22:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting a round hole in the side of a bottle. Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:25:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.2254.0> References: <<1998Jan15.15460.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Is there some simple way to do this? Got a sandblast setup? Stretch some thick resist over the area where you want the hole, cut your hole in the resist, blast your hole through the bottle, might want to stuff something inside the bottle (like styrofoam sheet) to protect the inside surface of the bottle. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 07:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:15:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Rubber stamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.01446.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Bonnie, I am indeed still lurking about. I love bungi. I've been in the stained glass business for 17 years and I still learn new things from all you wonderful people. Now, as for the rubber stamp. My rubber stamp letters are approx. 1/4" tall. I put very little etching cream on an old mirror, spread it around and lightly dip my stamp into the muck. I then stamp the mirror to get rid of the excess etching cream. The stamp is then ready to use on the glass. I let the stamped glass piece set for a few minutes and then rinse it off. I hope that this helped a little. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: solder alloys and why Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.191859.0> References: <<1998Jan15.144722.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Of greater importance than the relative melting temperatures of the various grades of solder are the actual properties of those solders when in the molten and semi-molten (also known as pasty) states. As you draw closer and closer to what some call the ultimate solder, 63/37, the real difference in terms of workability are 1) the viscosity of the solder or "how thick or watery" it is. The closer to 63/37 you get the thinner the molten solder is. Many find this watery solder easier to deal with, but most have better luck with a thicker solder for filling spaces where solder tends to run through. 2) The pasty range. Every solder has a range of temperatures between which it is neither fully liquid nor fully solid. This is referred to as the pasty range. The closer you get to 63/37, the shorter the pasty range of the solder. This means that 63/37 solder freezes hard almost instantly when it cools even a few degrees below its' threshold temperature of 361 degrees. A solder like 50/50 has a much wider range of temperatures between which it is pasty. If disturbed at all while in the pasty state, the surface will lose its' shine and look mat finished, almost like it has been sandblasted. Back in the days before Bondo, 10/90 solder was used to repair auto bodies. This 10% tin solder had such a wide pasty range that it was possible to heat it up into its' pasty range and have enough working time as it cooled to work it back and forth with putty knives and the like smoothing it onto the side of a fender of a car. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:47:22 -0500 "Mike Figgy" writes: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have enjoyed some of >the = >info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering and lead give >= >little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we do. >So = >for some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and = >hey, even maybe more useful) information I throw myselves to the >wolves = >with this piece I wrote a few years ago.=20 > >DID YOU KNOW... > >... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density at >= >300k is 11.4. Tin=92s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is >= >... oh, never mind, that=92s too much information. Solder is an alloy >of = >tin and lead, and the proportion of the two affects the melting point. >= >The most suitable for almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, >= >40% lead... Helpful Jim)(a titanic intellect in a world full of = >icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, lead at 621F. But something weird = >happens when you combine the two- the melting point drops down as low >as = >361F depending on the mix of the two. Check this out: > >%TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT > >0 100 621F > >30 70 496F > >50 50 421F > >60 40 375F > >63 37 361F > >If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the melting >= >point begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore >= >63/37 solder has the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought >that = >ratio was a gimmick, eh? With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike=92s >= >metals commodities broker) checked, tin was about ten times more = >expensive than lead, telling you why there=92s a big difference in = >solder prices. > >- >Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 = >(Tel:416-252-6868) >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass >= >supplier. > > >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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    Been lurking off and on for awhile now and have >= >enjoyed=20 >some of the info that's come across. Recent discussions on soldering >and = >lead=20 >give little or no mention of why we use solders in the alloys that we >= >do. So for=20 >some payback, and to try and encourage the exchange of more (and hey, >= >even maybe=20 >more useful) information I throw myselves to the wolves with this >piece = >I wrote=20 >a few years ago.  

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DID YOU KNOW...

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... the atomic weight of lead is 82, its symbol is Pb, its density >at = >300k is=20 >11.4. Tin’s symbol is Sn, and its electron configuration is ... >= >oh, never=20 >mind, that’s too much information. Solder is an alloy of tin and >= >lead, and=20 >the proportion of the two affects the melting point. The most suitable >= >for=20 >almost all stained glass work is 60/40 (60% tin, 40% lead... Helpful = >Jim)(a=20 >titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs...Ed) Tin melts at 450F, >= >lead at=20 >621F. But something weird happens when you combine the two- the >melting = >point=20 >drops down as low as 361F depending on the mix of the two. Check >this=20 >out:

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%TIN % LEAD MELTING POINT

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0        =20 >100           &nbs= >p;=20 >621F

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30        =20 >70            = >;=20 >496F

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50        =20 >50            = >;=20 >421F

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60        =20 >40            = >;=20 >375F

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63        =20 >37            = >;=20 >361F

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If we continue to raise the amount of tin to lead past 63% the = >melting point=20 >begins to rise again to where it is 450F at 100% tin, therefore 63/37 >= >solder has=20 >the absolute lowest melting point. And you thought that ratio was a = >gimmick, eh?=20 >With repect to cost, last time Stan (Mike’s metals commodities = >broker)=20 >checked, tin was about ten times more expensive than lead, telling you >= >why=20 >there’s a big difference in solder prices.

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Fantasy In Glass, 703 The = >Queensway,=20 >Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and >still = >its only=20 >officially sanctioned stained glass=20 >supplier.
 
> >------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BD21EE.657BFF00-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:00:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Crash Cleared Again! Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980116005850.0082a3f0@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1998Jan13.13367.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It was written: >I have not had any crash problems using MSIE4 with MS Outlook Express as the >e-mail product. I know this is OLD news, but I've been busy for a couple of days and unable to get to the mail. What a controversy I missed! It's quite possible that certain versions of MSIE are buggier than others. That might explain why Herb had no problem where other MSIE users did. I swear by Eudora (Light (free) or Pro (currently ver3.x is available for $29 at their web site (www.eudora.com), an excellent deal. Version 4 is out, but it's quite buggy. (I belong to a mailing list just for Eudora, BTW) Both have filters, Pro has a spell checker, too. I have also used Pegasus which is excellent. And I have test run Netscape (very limited though nice for HTML messages), but I wouldn't recommend it or any other browser as one's mail reader, for reasons already stated earlier. Just had to add my two bucks! Best to all, M.-J. ?tahw woN .evird drah ym pu dekcab ev'I ,thgir llA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:20:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cutting a round hole in the side of a bottle. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:46:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.15460.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Is there some simple way to do this? I want to make a fountain out of liquir bottles. My thought is to have the bottles on their side and have the water flow out of the top of the bottle and into the side of another bottle below it and so forth. I will also need to take the bottom out of one of the bottles. Then I can hide the recirculating pump inside the base bottle. It will have to be tight enough to stop water from seeping out and loose enough to take off to care for the pump. Is there a way to do these two things. Please if you want to talk with me off list my address is balloch@netbridge.net and my ICQ # is 3384049 Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:27:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:50:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tshiro Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:50:41 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Tshiro" on Jan 16, 5:57, Whispy Blu writes:] > Glenna - according to the Tshiro link from archives that site could not be > located and said to inform the "site administrator". Are you the site > administrator? I've used this link before but it's been a few months. Also > according to my local glass shop Vicki Payne is closing her out retail supply > portion of her business. If this is just a rumor I opologize ahead of time > for starting any confusion :). Lu Ann You're right,..thanks for letting us know. It's no longer avail. \ -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:30:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: radonc-uc-po.mcis.uchicago.edu!klachowicz From: Karen Lachowicz To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Rubber stamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:29:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.42922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk that is a great idea for your glass, thanks karen > -----Original Message----- > From: Dianne G. Maddison [SMTP:artglass@flash.net] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 10:15 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Rubber stamp > > Bonnie, > I am indeed still lurking about. I love bungi. I've been in the > stained glass business for 17 years and I still learn new things from > all you wonderful people. Now, as for the rubber stamp. My rubber > stamp letters are approx. 1/4" tall. I put very little etching cream > on > an old mirror, spread it around and lightly dip my stamp into the > muck. > I then stamp the mirror to get rid of the excess etching cream. The > stamp is then ready to use on the glass. I let the stamped glass > piece > set for a few minutes and then rinse it off. I hope that this helped > a > little. > Dianne Maddison > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:38:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan15.213842.0> References: <<199801160226.1524100@usroute66.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How long did that take you? It's Beautiful. Melissa Donald A. DeVoto wrote: > Youghegheny,Odysseyand me.....(plus alittle Bullseye) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: My lamp.jpg > My lamp.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > Encoding: base64 > Description: My lamp.jpg (JPG File) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 08:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stepping Stones (again!) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:58:17 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I know some of you are tired of this subject, but my local studio guy showed me a "new product alert" from Hoy's on something called Diamondcrete. Has anyone tried this stuff? I've only made one stone mixing sand, gravel, white Portland cement, hardware cloth, etc. Flier says it comes in 10 lb. boxes. Is that enough for an 18" stone? Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 09:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:10:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: gluing glass to glass Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:04:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.7458.0> References: <<199801141449.JAA19088@ddi.digital.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? Thanks for any suggestions. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 10:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:53:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: TSP Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 13:04:03 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.2143.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Some time back, Monona advised us we should be using TSP (trisodium phosphate) for lead clean up. Where do you obtain this? How many out there are using this? Dawn Monona's post follows: Ingestion is not the only problem. Inhalation of the dust is also a sign= ificant source of exposure. >> Also I believe that lead vaporizes at far higher temps then can be >>a= ttained with a soldering iron?or is there particulate mixed in with the >>fumes? = << Time to re-examine your "beliefs." Lead begins to vaporize at the moment= it MELTS not at its vapor point when it boils. This is similar to way = water evaporates at temperatures far lower than 212 o F. Clearly, the = higher the temperature of the liquid lead (the hotter the iron), the more vaporizes,= but any melted lead is vaporizing. Lead vapor, however, is not the problem. When lead vaporizes, the vapor = reacts immediately with oxygen in the air and recondenses into tiny parti= cles of lead oxide called "fume" particles. It is the "fume" that is inh= aled, settles on surfaces all over the house, collects in hair and clothi= ng, and so on. This is why the OSHA Lead Standard requires that employe= rs provide showers and changing rooms for workers so they will not take = the dust home to their families in their hair and clothing. It is very difficult to clean up a home that has been contaminated with = lead fume. The particles are so small they will go right through the vac= uum cleaner filter or through a dust mask. To collect fume you need a = special HEPA vacuum or a respirator that is NIOSH-approved for fume. The particles also are so small that you don't see them in the air or on = surfaces. I just had lead wipe samples done in a workplace that looked = pristine, but the lab test showed that the lead in the dust was 5 time = the acceptable limit. >>My mentor just got one of the portable units and is using it religiousl= y. >>Is she spinning her wheels? Or will this really keep some lead out of = our >>systems?<< It depends on a number of things: 1) Can the filter capture fume particles? To do this is should be a HEPA= (high efficiency particulate air) filter capable of capturing 99.995% = of particles of a diameter of 0.3 microns. This information should be = in the unit's manual. 2) does it draw strongly enough to capture the air right above where you = solder. To test this, light some incense and see if the smoke is drawn = firmly away from the point at which you will be soldering. It is particu= larly difficult to draw properly from the middle of large jobs. The bes= t types have flexible ducts with hoods at the end so you can position the= m right near your work. 3) does the air stream from the exhaust interfere with capture? I have = seen some units that are box-shaped and the exhaust blows out just above = the intake. This means that the turbulence created will interfere with = proper capture. If the unit is just sitting somewhere near where the work is being done = and filtering the air, it is pretty much useless. But there are some exc= ellent units around that were originally designed for the electronics ind= ustry. These are worth the money. And the two major manufacturers, Nede= rman and Torit just merged. Nederman is at 24719 Crestview Court, Framing= ton Hills, MI 48018 Phone 313/478-5702. Those who are interested can = talk to them and get product information or a catalog. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist ACTS >....for so many glass hobby people and small glass studios like mine, = what would be a better solution for converting a second bedroom to a work= shop? I rent, so cannot tear out the original carpet, there is no garage = or other suitable space that I can afford. < I can't recommend working at home, but if you are anyway, there are thing= s that can reduce your exposure. There is a type of heavy plastic materi= al which can be placed over the carpet. It will still be resilient when = you walk or stand on it which is more comfortable, but it can be easily = damp mopped or sponged down. Use TSP (trisodium phosphate) which is the = detergent recommended for lead clean up. The tables and other furniture = also should be cleaned daily the same way. > Would you suggest a room size piece of lino to put over the original = carpet? Just to protect it.< Room sized lino or plastic. And not to protect the carpet--to protect = you. > I do replace the carpet remnant every 4-5 months. I have a source to = get used carpet remnants free, and have it steam cleaned before laying = it down in the studio room.< I just wouldn't have the carpet there at all if possible. > Also use large fan to blow the fumes out the window when I am soldering= ...< I hope you mean to "draw" the fumes out the window. The fan must be in = the window, facing out, and the area around the fan must be completely = blocked so that no air can return in at the window. At the other end = of the room there must be a window, door or some other source of replacem= ent air for the fan. > as well as a fume catcher.< It needs to be a HEPA. And it needs to have a strong draw in the vicinit= y of the soldering operation. There are some out there that have the exh= aust just above the area that draws in air. I've tested these with indi= cator smoke and the exhaust from the fan provides so much turbulence in = the area in front of the intake that they don't collect well. > I try to minimize the dust, and the carpet catches glass slivers before= they get tracked into the rest of the house. < The carpet only catches the "biggies." And remember that glass dust from= grinding is also a source of metals, some more toxic than lead such as = cadmium. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 11:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:32:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Diamond max heads Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:27:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199801161927.TAA06024@jackel.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router head seem to be a bit below par. The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if so are they reccomended? On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers heads fit the Diamond Max? Thanks for any help that you can give, Mike Simpson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 12:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:22:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Diamoncrete Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:21:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.42133.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I second that. I have been hearing alot about this product. I would like to know what it is? I mean chemically in layman's terms. I have read that gypisum (sp) is the drying agent in concrete. Is that why it drys so fast? I have found out that it is not an additive. Is it the same stuff that MosasicStone Cement is? What are the drying times for difference thicknesses and sizes. How strong is it? How thin can you pour it? I was thinking of making plaques with it. Would adding fiber mesh to it improve it's strength? I asked my local dealer the other day about it and he rang up the distributor and he told me it would take either 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 10lb. containers to make one 16" hexagon stepping stone. I remember thinking it would cost me (retail) just under $30 to make one stepping stone. I don't know about the rest of you, but concrete costs (with fiber mesh added) $1 a stone. That's alot of profit to be missing out on. I know manufacturers and suppliers lurk here. Anyone out there that knows all the down and dirty on this product? Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 12:25:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:25:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Diamond max heads Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:21:34, -0500 Message-ID: <199801162021.PAA20784@mime2.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike writes in part: On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers heads fit the Diamond Max? Thanks for any help that you can give, Mike Simpson. Do not know of any other makers of the five inch disks. I would send both defective items back to Diamond Max and politely request a replacement. In a way you do the company a favor when you report defective product. I had a defective diamond product fron another company and they were very glad to purge the defective lot from their system. I too like the long life of the Glastar bonded heads. Think they are cheaper in the long run. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 12:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:53:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: TSP Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:52:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.205258.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk TSP can be obtained from hardware/home remodeling-type stores. It works wonderfully for housetrim, washing walls, etc. prior to re-painting....can really dry out your hands though. I have not tried it on SG pieces though. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:05:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:04:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: New Address Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:10:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199801162207.RAA29435@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All ! Please change my email address to the following <<<<<>>>>> for all my bungi mail. Hopefully (I am keeping my fingers crossed...and man is it hard to type or cut glass for that matter) :) this will take care of my email crashing problems. Thanks and Keep Cutting! Sheila Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:22:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:20:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199801162220.OAA06723@ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri...You can use clear silicone. (Comes in a tube like toothpaste) I use very little and apply it to the back of the jewel or directly on the glass. with the thick end of a toothpick. You have to be careful not to put on too much as it will 'squish' out the bottom. If it does--just trim it with an exacto but better to avoid. This 'goop' dries transparent and can't be seen. ......Wayne >I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to >because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to >lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.12266.0> References: <<1998Jan16.7458.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to > because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to > lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass epoxy is the strongest thing to use, but don't use to much or you'll have some squeeze out. make sure you get it in clear, and that you mix it really well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:29:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: TSP Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.122738.0> References: <<1998Jan16.2143.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Some time back, Monona advised us we should be using > TSP (trisodium phosphate) for lead clean up. > > Where do you obtain this? > How many out there are using this? > > Dawn > i don't use it, but it can be found at any paint store or hardware store like home-depot. it's used as a prep before painting, removes mold, and paint dust, and general dirt. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:33:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond max heads Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.12329.0> References: <<199801161927.TAA06024@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Simpson wrote: > > Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that > I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router > head seem to be a bit below par. > > The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max > grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of > corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort > of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any > other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if > so are they reccomended? > > On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating > after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is > still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected > to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired > to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well > if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers > heads fit the Diamond Max? > > Thanks for any help that you can give, > > Mike Simpson. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would talk to them, that should'nt be happening. at most it will wear down enough that it won't grind much anymore. it sounds like something went wrong in the manufacuring stage. corrosion should'nt be getting under the pads. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stepping Stones (again!) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:35:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.223511.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-16 11:59:28 EST, you write: << "new product alert" from Hoy's on something called Diamondcrete. Has anyone tried this stuff? I've only made one stone mixing sand, gravel, white Portland cement, hardware cloth, etc. Flier says it comes in 10 lb. boxes. Is that enough for an 18" stone? >> I saw some of the boxes and some of the colors available, but there are several colors. I have made several stepping stones and IMHO it would take 3-4 boxes to make an 18" stone. This would obviously make it a very expensive project. My impression is that, at the most, you could make a double brick stone. It appears to be packaged with coasters and that size of thing in mind. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:39:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: rubber stamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:38:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.73823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi Bonnie, I agree that the etching on stained glass is a little more difficult to see than it is on clear. The rubber stamp I use has my company name in Old English and my name underneath in regular type. I had the date of the year on it also but cut off when the next year rolled around. I need to get a new one made. I make sure that I stamp the glass on the smooth side and it works well. I barely set the stamp on the glass so the cream doesn't squish out the sides of the lettering. It takes a little practice and a light touch. One good thing, you sure don't have to worry about your name peeling off or being scraped off---it's on there to stay. Let me know if it works for you. Also, Jerri, for gluing I use E6000. It's industrial strength and most of your retailers carry it. I think I also saw it at M J Designs. Hope this helps. Thanks to all Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:40:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:38:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.103834.0> References: <<1998Jan16.22839.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda I apologize, I sent it from my server to the bungi group,I have received some replys saying how nice the picture was, I guess we all have machines(PCs) with different capacities, When the messaage came to me on my regular Bungi address, I also had the jibberish,so again let me say i"m sorry to give you the problem and will not try it again(scouts honor) Don.... Don writes: >Donald, > >Your message is jibberish to me. Line after line like this: >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:45:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.104539.0> References: <<199801160226.1524100@usroute66.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa: Thanks, I didn't time the complete building (picking the glass is the hardest ,for me at least) but I timed the foiling ,35hrs,. I don't think i'm slow at foiling either, but that gives you an idea, I hope. Thanks again..Don Don writes: >How long did that take you? It's Beautiful. >Melissa > >Donald A. DeVoto wrote: > >> Youghegheny,Odysseyand me.....(plus alittle Bullseye) >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Name: My lamp.jpg >> My lamp.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) >> Encoding: base64 >> Description: My lamp.jpg (JPG File) > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 14:50:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:49:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamoncrete Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:44:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.224426.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-16 15:24:16 EST, you write: << What are the drying times for difference thicknesses and sizes. How strong is it? How thin can you pour it? I was thinking of making plaques with it. Would adding fiber mesh to it improve it's strength? >> Depending on humidity, heat, etc.... I have waited up to 4 days on the 18 hex. I usually am able to remove the single, double, 14" circle, 18" hex about 24 hours after it is poured. I then make a very thin cup of mix to fill in air pockets if there are any. The thicker/dryer you make the batch the better. I DO NOT recommend the concrete mix with fiber. It really looks rough with little fibers sticking out but this is just IMHO. I also agree with you on the Diamond Crete and the expense. Lu Ann Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 15:11:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:10:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping Stones (again!) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.10580.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We are working on small boxes and some stones with Diamondcrete The 10 pounds won't do the 14in hexagon,the possibilities are endless and the big thing is the quick setting time. Randy the owner of Diamondcrete called and advised us to lengthen the curing time to 35 to 45 minutes and to be sure and keep them indoors for at least 2 weeks.I will post more news as we do more. The forms for the little boxes are available (Ed Hoys) and that's where you should do your experimenting.E-mail me direct if you wish .Regards.Don Don writes: >I know some of you are tired of this subject, but my local studio guy >showed me a "new product alert" from Hoy's on something called >Diamondcrete. Has anyone tried this stuff? I've only made one stone >mixing sand, gravel, white Portland cement, hardware cloth, etc. > >Flier says it comes in 10 lb. boxes. Is that enough for an 18" >stone? > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 15:56:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:55:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: uol.it!desmau From: "desmau" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.15531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Evelyn, I am an Italian artist, I am trying to find glass = nuggets at wholesale prices, If you can give me any help, addresses or = information, please answer me. e-mail desmau@uol.it Studio address : Evelyn Bagnasco Via Aleardi 14, 20154=20 Milano Italy ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 16 20:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:06:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: onr.com!babs From: Babs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.1651.0> References: <<1997Dec17.63837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike.. Always have liked your site, *S* Have found adobe photoshop was able to provide the repeat.. or are you looking for more of a 3-d program. Barb babs@onr.com Regarding M. Savad wrote: > i'm having problems trying to figure out a few things. maybe someone > here know's the solution. > > #1. how is the oil filled chamber made? i've seen many of these, so it > > must be possible. mainly what is used, how is it sealed ( i figure > epoxy). > > #2. is there a program out there that can give me reflection imagry. > for > example if i entered in a particular triangle or shape, i want to be > able to see what repeat pattern i get for that particualr shape. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > A > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 05:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:23:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan17.132323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Whening Glueing glass to glass,I usually use Silicone.It will take a day or so to cure so keep this in mind when you use it. Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 06:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:05:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Why Flux Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:05:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980117091105.23bf704e@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For Dani and Others... A dear person in my life is a Chemist, I asked him the question about the flux and he brought me this : Hope this helps..... Ammonium chloride, NH4Cl, is known in commerce as "sal ammoniac". It is produced by the reaction of ammonia with hydrochloric acid, and is purified by sublimation. Ammonium chloride decomposes at 350 degrees into ammonia and hydrogen chloride. NH4Cl(solid) <----> NH3(gas) HCl(gas) For this reason it is used as a flux in soldering, because the hydrogen chloride which is formed when the salt is heated reacts with the films of metal oxides, converting them into chlorides which are are either fusible or volatile, thus cleansing the metal surfaces to be joined by the solder. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 07:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.483.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GE Silicon II - find it in the bathroom/tile section of your local hardware or home improvement store. Works great. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 09:53:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:53:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sort of blanket reply to flux, tallow, Chartres,lead, etc... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:17:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.171721.0> References: <<199801140250.CAA11340@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801140250.CAA11340@pluto.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >Ok Dani, >So I picked on YOU to start off a collection of blanket replies to >various bits and pieces. Hope you folks will forgive my laziness/ >lack of time. >The Taxman Cometh... :-< > >< snip> , > - when using heavily textured glass, the cement has >an uncanny way of REALLY getting ingrained into the pits of the >glass. I've found that putting masking tape over the surface or the textured glass helps keep the cement out of the "pits". Also especially important when there are open "bubbles" in the glass. >Someone else asked: "What is TALLOW" > > Doubt very much that there is any risk of BSE; I guess i should have put a great big smiley face after that comment. With a 1 in "x" million chances of getting BSE from meat on the bone, I'm not remotely concerned. However, I am worried about the hormone treated north American beef. I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 09:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:56:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: fliping a large panel Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.17281.0> References: <<199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>, len alcamo writes > >Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent >thread :-) > >Len > O.K. I usually build on a stiff board. When the soldering on the first side is complete, I use the board to help turn by sliding the board-supported panel to the edge of the bench. When ca. half way, I tilt to the vertical and lift back to the bench. If the panel is not very large, I transfer the board to the other side and lower in the same way as lifting. If the panel is large, I sandwich the panel between two boards, and get assistance to control the other end, but use the same basic technique. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 10:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 10:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: <9801178850.AA885060387@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. 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Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from betty.mfi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Sat, 17 Jan 98 05:38:30 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com by betty.mfi.com (8.8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA15974; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:23:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan17.132323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Whening Glueing glass to glass,I usually use Silicone.It will take a day or so to cure so keep this in mind when you use it. Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:09:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.9957.0> References: <<1998Jan16.1651.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Babs wrote: > > Hi Mike.. > Always have liked your site, *S* > Have found adobe photoshop was able to provide the repeat.. > or are you looking for more of a 3-d program. > Barb > babs@onr.com > > Regarding M. Savad wrote: > > > i'm having problems trying to figure out a few things. maybe someone > > here know's the solution. > > > > #1. how is the oil filled chamber made? i've seen many of these, so it > > > > must be possible. mainly what is used, how is it sealed ( i figure > > epoxy). > > > > #2. is there a program out there that can give me reflection imagry. > > for > > example if i entered in a particular triangle or shape, i want to be > > able to see what repeat pattern i get for that particualr shape. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > > A > > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass mainlu i would like to find a program that could show me what different mirror combinations could give me. like if i use 3 mirrors with a space on one side what would it look like. or if i change the angles, or even the 3-dimensional angles then what would it look like. in the long run it would save on supplies, and give me a better looking scope. most likely it's some sort of geometric type program, but i dunno if it even exists... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:15:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:23:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan17.132323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Whening Glueing glass to glass,I usually use Silicone.It will take a day or so to cure so keep this in mind when you use it. Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:16:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:05:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Why Flux Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:05:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980117091105.23bf704e@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For Dani and Others... A dear person in my life is a Chemist, I asked him the question about the flux and he brought me this : Hope this helps..... Ammonium chloride, NH4Cl, is known in commerce as "sal ammoniac". It is produced by the reaction of ammonia with hydrochloric acid, and is purified by sublimation. Ammonium chloride decomposes at 350 degrees into ammonia and hydrogen chloride. NH4Cl(solid) <----> NH3(gas) HCl(gas) For this reason it is used as a flux in soldering, because the hydrogen chloride which is formed when the salt is heated reacts with the films of metal oxides, converting them into chlorides which are are either fusible or volatile, thus cleansing the metal surfaces to be joined by the solder. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.483.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GE Silicon II - find it in the bathroom/tile section of your local hardware or home improvement store. Works great. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:22:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!bonita3 From: "dsle Elsd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:22:17 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan17.192217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is this better than E6000 --------------------------- >From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" >To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" >Subject: gluing glass to glass >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:08:03 -0500 >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > >GE Silicon II - find it in the bathroom/tile section of >your local hardware or home improvement store. >Works great. >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:25:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 10:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: <9801178850.AA885060387@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. 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Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from betty.mfi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Sat, 17 Jan 98 05:38:30 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com by betty.mfi.com (8.8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA15974; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:25:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:23:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan17.132323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Whening Glueing glass to glass,I usually use Silicone.It will take a day or so to cure so keep this in mind when you use it. Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:26:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:53:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sort of blanket reply to flux, tallow, Chartres,lead, etc... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:17:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.171721.0> References: <<199801140250.CAA11340@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801140250.CAA11340@pluto.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >Ok Dani, >So I picked on YOU to start off a collection of blanket replies to >various bits and pieces. Hope you folks will forgive my laziness/ >lack of time. >The Taxman Cometh... :-< > >< snip> , > - when using heavily textured glass, the cement has >an uncanny way of REALLY getting ingrained into the pits of the >glass. I've found that putting masking tape over the surface or the textured glass helps keep the cement out of the "pits". Also especially important when there are open "bubbles" in the glass. >Someone else asked: "What is TALLOW" > > Doubt very much that there is any risk of BSE; I guess i should have put a great big smiley face after that comment. With a 1 in "x" million chances of getting BSE from meat on the bone, I'm not remotely concerned. However, I am worried about the hormone treated north American beef. I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:56:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: fliping a large panel Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.17281.0> References: <<199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801141417.IAA26366@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>, len alcamo writes > >Just the do's and dont's of flipping a 3x4 panel is worthy of a decent >thread :-) > >Len > O.K. I usually build on a stiff board. When the soldering on the first side is complete, I use the board to help turn by sliding the board-supported panel to the edge of the bench. When ca. half way, I tilt to the vertical and lift back to the bench. If the panel is not very large, I transfer the board to the other side and lower in the same way as lifting. If the panel is large, I sandwich the panel between two boards, and get assistance to control the other end, but use the same basic technique. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:29:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:20:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199801162220.OAA06723@ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri...You can use clear silicone. (Comes in a tube like toothpaste) I use very little and apply it to the back of the jewel or directly on the glass. with the thick end of a toothpick. You have to be careful not to put on too much as it will 'squish' out the bottom. If it does--just trim it with an exacto but better to avoid. This 'goop' dries transparent and can't be seen. ......Wayne >I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to >because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to >lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:49:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamoncrete Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:44:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.224426.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-16 15:24:16 EST, you write: << What are the drying times for difference thicknesses and sizes. How strong is it? How thin can you pour it? I was thinking of making plaques with it. Would adding fiber mesh to it improve it's strength? >> Depending on humidity, heat, etc.... I have waited up to 4 days on the 18 hex. I usually am able to remove the single, double, 14" circle, 18" hex about 24 hours after it is poured. I then make a very thin cup of mix to fill in air pockets if there are any. The thicker/dryer you make the batch the better. I DO NOT recommend the concrete mix with fiber. It really looks rough with little fibers sticking out but this is just IMHO. I also agree with you on the Diamond Crete and the expense. Lu Ann Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.12266.0> References: <<1998Jan16.7458.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > > I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to > because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to > lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass epoxy is the strongest thing to use, but don't use to much or you'll have some squeeze out. make sure you get it in clear, and that you mix it really well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:33:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: TSP Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.122738.0> References: <<1998Jan16.2143.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Some time back, Monona advised us we should be using > TSP (trisodium phosphate) for lead clean up. > > Where do you obtain this? > How many out there are using this? > > Dawn > i don't use it, but it can be found at any paint store or hardware store like home-depot. it's used as a prep before painting, removes mold, and paint dust, and general dirt. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:33:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond max heads Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.12329.0> References: <<199801161927.TAA06024@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Simpson wrote: > > Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that > I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router > head seem to be a bit below par. > > The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max > grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of > corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort > of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any > other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if > so are they reccomended? > > On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating > after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is > still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected > to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired > to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well > if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers > heads fit the Diamond Max? > > Thanks for any help that you can give, > > Mike Simpson. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would talk to them, that should'nt be happening. at most it will wear down enough that it won't grind much anymore. it sounds like something went wrong in the manufacuring stage. corrosion should'nt be getting under the pads. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:36:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stepping Stones (again!) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:35:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan16.223511.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-16 11:59:28 EST, you write: << "new product alert" from Hoy's on something called Diamondcrete. Has anyone tried this stuff? I've only made one stone mixing sand, gravel, white Portland cement, hardware cloth, etc. Flier says it comes in 10 lb. boxes. Is that enough for an 18" stone? >> I saw some of the boxes and some of the colors available, but there are several colors. I have made several stepping stones and IMHO it would take 3-4 boxes to make an 18" stone. This would obviously make it a very expensive project. My impression is that, at the most, you could make a double brick stone. It appears to be packaged with coasters and that size of thing in mind. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:39:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: rubber stamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:38:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.73823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi Bonnie, I agree that the etching on stained glass is a little more difficult to see than it is on clear. The rubber stamp I use has my company name in Old English and my name underneath in regular type. I had the date of the year on it also but cut off when the next year rolled around. I need to get a new one made. I make sure that I stamp the glass on the smooth side and it works well. I barely set the stamp on the glass so the cream doesn't squish out the sides of the lettering. It takes a little practice and a light touch. One good thing, you sure don't have to worry about your name peeling off or being scraped off---it's on there to stay. Let me know if it works for you. Also, Jerri, for gluing I use E6000. It's industrial strength and most of your retailers carry it. I think I also saw it at M J Designs. Hope this helps. Thanks to all Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:40:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:38:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.103834.0> References: <<1998Jan16.22839.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda I apologize, I sent it from my server to the bungi group,I have received some replys saying how nice the picture was, I guess we all have machines(PCs) with different capacities, When the messaage came to me on my regular Bungi address, I also had the jibberish,so again let me say i"m sorry to give you the problem and will not try it again(scouts honor) Don.... Don writes: >Donald, > >Your message is jibberish to me. Line after line like this: >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:10:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping Stones (again!) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.10580.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We are working on small boxes and some stones with Diamondcrete The 10 pounds won't do the 14in hexagon,the possibilities are endless and the big thing is the quick setting time. Randy the owner of Diamondcrete called and advised us to lengthen the curing time to 35 to 45 minutes and to be sure and keep them indoors for at least 2 weeks.I will post more news as we do more. The forms for the little boxes are available (Ed Hoys) and that's where you should do your experimenting.E-mail me direct if you wish .Regards.Don Don writes: >I know some of you are tired of this subject, but my local studio guy >showed me a "new product alert" from Hoy's on something called >Diamondcrete. Has anyone tried this stuff? I've only made one stone >mixing sand, gravel, white Portland cement, hardware cloth, etc. > >Flier says it comes in 10 lb. boxes. Is that enough for an 18" >stone? > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: My.lamp Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:45:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.104539.0> References: <<199801160226.1524100@usroute66.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa: Thanks, I didn't time the complete building (picking the glass is the hardest ,for me at least) but I timed the foiling ,35hrs,. I don't think i'm slow at foiling either, but that gives you an idea, I hope. Thanks again..Don Don writes: >How long did that take you? It's Beautiful. >Melissa > >Donald A. DeVoto wrote: > >> Youghegheny,Odysseyand me.....(plus alittle Bullseye) >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Name: My lamp.jpg >> My lamp.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) >> Encoding: base64 >> Description: My lamp.jpg (JPG File) > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:55:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: uol.it!desmau From: "desmau" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.15531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Evelyn, I am an Italian artist, I am trying to find glass = nuggets at wholesale prices, If you can give me any help, addresses or = information, please answer me. e-mail desmau@uol.it Studio address : Evelyn Bagnasco Via Aleardi 14, 20154=20 Milano Italy ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 11:44:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:06:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: onr.com!babs From: Babs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.1651.0> References: <<1997Dec17.63837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike.. Always have liked your site, *S* Have found adobe photoshop was able to provide the repeat.. or are you looking for more of a 3-d program. Barb babs@onr.com Regarding M. Savad wrote: > i'm having problems trying to figure out a few things. maybe someone > here know's the solution. > > #1. how is the oil filled chamber made? i've seen many of these, so it > > must be possible. mainly what is used, how is it sealed ( i figure > epoxy). > > #2. is there a program out there that can give me reflection imagry. > for > example if i entered in a particular triangle or shape, i want to be > able to see what repeat pattern i get for that particualr shape. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > A > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 12:00:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:09:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.9957.0> References: <<1998Jan16.1651.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Babs wrote: > > Hi Mike.. > Always have liked your site, *S* > Have found adobe photoshop was able to provide the repeat.. > or are you looking for more of a 3-d program. > Barb > babs@onr.com > > Regarding M. Savad wrote: > > > i'm having problems trying to figure out a few things. maybe someone > > here know's the solution. > > > > #1. how is the oil filled chamber made? i've seen many of these, so it > > > > must be possible. mainly what is used, how is it sealed ( i figure > > epoxy). > > > > #2. is there a program out there that can give me reflection imagry. > > for > > example if i entered in a particular triangle or shape, i want to be > > able to see what repeat pattern i get for that particualr shape. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > > A > > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass mainlu i would like to find a program that could show me what different mirror combinations could give me. like if i use 3 mirrors with a space on one side what would it look like. or if i change the angles, or even the 3-dimensional angles then what would it look like. in the long run it would save on supplies, and give me a better looking scope. most likely it's some sort of geometric type program, but i dunno if it even exists... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 12:21:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:20:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:18:15, -0500 Message-ID: <199801172018.PAA21886@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike writes in part: mainlu i would like to find a program that could show me what different mirror combinations could give me. like if i use 3 mirrors with a space on one side what would it look like. or if i change the angles, or even the 3-dimensional angles then what would it look like. Can not help you on a program to predict what a K-scope image will look like under various conditions. For a very good effect you might try to cut your three mirrors in a slight triangle configuration. Sooo, at the eye port the mirror is say one inch wide and at the objective end of a ten inch tube it is say one and a half inches wide. Have done this and it wraps the repeat images back toward you for pleasing effect. Be sure to use front surface mirror with this or the effect is lessened. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 12:44:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:43:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.104234.0> References: <<1998Jan17.192217.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk dsle Elsd wrote: > > Is this better than E6000 > > --------------------------- > > >From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" > >To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" > >Subject: gluing glass to glass > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:08:03 -0500 > >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > > > >GE Silicon II - find it in the bathroom/tile section of > >your local hardware or home improvement store. > >Works great. > >Christie A. Wood > >Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass acually E6000 is much better, only a bit more expensive. but during my glue tests i found that epoxy worked the best, though it was also the messiest. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 12:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.104533.0> References: <<199801172018.PAA21886@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Mike writes in part: > mainlu i would like to find a program that could show me what > different > mirror combinations could give me. like if i use 3 mirrors with a > space > on one side what would it look like. or if i change the angles, or > even > the 3-dimensional angles then what would it look like. > > Can not help you on a program to predict what a K-scope image will > look like under various conditions. For a very good effect you might > try to cut your three mirrors in a slight triangle configuration. > Sooo, at the eye port the mirror is say one inch wide and at the > objective end of a ten inch tube it is say one and a half inches wide. > Have done this and it wraps the repeat images back toward you for > pleasing effect. Be sure to use front surface mirror with this or the > effect is lessened. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he > is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, > Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think that method is used for those planet scopes, they stand straight up. used usually with oil wands. if i remember right the object is mirrored in a ball shape. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 14:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:53:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aqua.preferred-mail.net!friendlymail From: Email Submission To: friend@bulkmailer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.123347.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk - Hello, pardon the intrusion. I don't like to get spam any more than the next person, but my fiance and I have a new site on the net that we would like to share with you and get your feedback. We are listed as ITL Enterprises and we offer special and unique products over the web. Our site is not the same old shopping site with the same old boring stuff. We have very unique and eclectic products. Below is a short list of what we have to offer. Vintage Traffic Lights - These are the real thing, red/yellow/green, that have been removed from service. These make great gifts and great conversation pieces. Priority Start - This little device saves your car battery from ever going dead. This is a great product and it pays for itself the first time your lights get left on accidently. Wiscasset Baskets - These are handmade pine baskets from the great state of Maine. You just have to see them to appreciate them. Go Light - These are radio remote controlled spot/search lights for auto/emergency/marine use. They are really something Emergency Information Card - These could save your life or the life of a loved one. I was a fire fighter and have seen the anguish from automobile and other accidents. That's why we created these. Please take a look! Knitty Kitty - Handmade catnip toys for cats. We have seven cats and they all love playing with them. Thanks you for taking time to give us a look and we hope that '98 will bring many blessings to you. Sincerely, Michael and Wendy We give all the glory to God and thank Him for our blessings. ITL Enterprises ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 16:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:32:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hal-pc.org!kkelly From: "Kathryn C. Kelly" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:31:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.123134.0> References: <<1998Jan17.123347.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Houston Area League of PC Users Precedence: bulk My feedback is that your email is an abuse of the system. My understanding is that I gave permission to a stained glass group to send me email and not a place for business advertising of the sort you sent. Shame on you. K Kelly ________________________________ Email Submission wrote: > > - > Hello, pardon the intrusion. I don't like to get spam any more than the > next person, but my fiance and I have a new site on the net that we would > like to share with you and get your feedback. > ITL Enterprises ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 17:20:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:19:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.131939.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too got this same garbage and its VERY unappreciated! -----Original Message--- -- From: Kathryn C. Kelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 1998 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you >My feedback is that your email is an abuse of the system. My >understanding is that I gave permission to a stained glass group to send >me email and not a place for business advertising of the sort you sent. >Shame on you. >K Kelly > >________________________________ > >Email Submission wrote: >> >> - >> Hello, pardon the intrusion. I don't like to get spam any more than the >> next person, but my fiance and I have a new site on the net that we would >> like to share with you and get your feedback. >> ITL Enterprises >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 18:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:06:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Only in part s.g, and more about pigs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199801180206.CAA18256@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Yes I know.... It's pretty obvious isn't it!! ;-) Why didn't I think of that!! I've found that putting masking tape over the surface or the textured glass helps keep the cement out of the "pits". Also especially important when there are open "bubbles" in the glass. >Someone else asked: "What is TALLOW" > > Doubt very much that there is any risk of BSE; I guess i should have put a great big smiley face after that comment. With a 1 in "x" million chances of getting BSE from meat on the bone, I'm not remotely concerned. However, I am worried about the hormone treated north American beef. I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! Ayh, it's when your voice starts getting "squeaky" that you need to start worrying :-> Quite frankly I am more worried myself about all these hormone-treated meat products and have become almost vegetarian anyway, and that was LONG before BSE. The BSE issue has been turned into a political hand-grenade and blown totally out of all proportions, to cover up the fact that Man has interferred just that bit too much with how Mother Nature intended Earth to be. Mother Nature certainly never intended that Cow should be forced to eat another cow, which is how this whole horrendeous issue began in the first place. Three cheers for the PIGS who had the sense to get away!! We over here are aware of that this little UK diversive news-snippet was widely covered in USA. Just to put it into some kind of perspective: The inhumane and barbarious conditions in slaughter-houses in UK have long caused scandal after outrage in UK. The whole idea of 2 rebellious pigs deciding they wanted no part of it and just pitted their brains against the superior human brain and quite simply absconded, swimming across a river, hiding by day and travelling by night to get away from the slaughter-house, just caught everybody's imagination and provided a most welcome diversion to national budget cuts (especially for the disabled) income tax returns, and horrible weather. Everyone was cheering on the pigs who decided to protest against The Establishment. (A certain ring of George Orwell!!) Pigs will still be slaughtered for human consumption, but you Across the Pond will be glad to know that these 2 enterprising, potential "pork-chops" individuals will be spared and have found a sanctury where - hopefully - they will chomp away to their hearts' content on natural potato-peels and good wholesome stuff forever more. That's fair play. Tongue in cheek! Which STILL leaves the issue unresolved why good old-fashioned tallow works just as well as all these chemical liquid/gel/paste fluxes for stained glass (although I did mention that it is a little bit harder to wash off on copper-foil) Someone was "close" to perhaps getting there, by pointing out that soap (i.e. a cleaning agent) is or was traditionally made from "rendered fat". But then the thread lingered back onto the liquid fluxes... But does this "rendered fat" then contain all these quoted chemicals?? (What is rendered fat anyway?? Refined??) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 18:07:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:06:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199801180206.CAA18249@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri, Transparent silicone rubber (i.e. bath sealant) works a treat!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK I have a lightcatcher that I would like to glue a piece of glass to because there's no solder line. I think I've seen nuggets glued on to lightcatchers, but I have no idea what kind of glue to use. Epoxy? Thanks for any suggestions. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 19:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:10:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:09:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.17921.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You guys! When you respond to spam, the only folks who read your admonishments are the bungi gang! Likewise if you respond "remove", Glenna drops you from OUR list not the spam list! I've tried directing mail to the spam = address but it's always returned so now I just use my delete key. It Always works! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 19:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.1795.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And speaking of glues, here's a tip I just got from a glass fuser. If your molds break, use muffler glue to be got at any auto parts and supply store - it fires to 1400 degrees. Not doing much fusing, it was news to = me and, I thought, rather clever. We use 5-minute epoxy or UV glue for gluing glass to glass. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 19:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:11:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Only in part s.g, and more about pigs Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.17919.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- I just got the rendered fat lecture from Michael! Rendered fat is simply melted and strained, = often times boiled with alum to further clean and deodorize. P.S. That was the short version. ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 19:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:52:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) TSP Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.175044.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Dawn and all: > Some time back, Monona advised us we should be using > TSP (trisodium phosphate) for lead clean up. The HUD lead removal guidelines call for the use of TSP. But this year there was another study of cleaners, and many strong cleaners and detergents did as well as TSP. The important thing is to CLEAN. > Where do you obtain this? Many hardware stores have TSP. Mex is one brand. But there are several. First ask the clerk for trisodium phosphate. If they don't have it, ask for a very strong cleaner for lead dust clean up. I can't imagine a hardware store that wouldn't have something recommended for lead dust clean up. Although I am too busy to read all the Bungi.com posts, I will always be happy to answer inquiries that are forwarded to me by e-mail by members. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 20:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:00:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:00:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan18.407.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Okey dokey. I visited this spammers website and lodged a complaint with a group that oversees what wonderful business he does. If you would also like to share your feelings about this pain in the neck, this is the address to go to: http://commerce.lainet.com/publiceye/addcomments.cfm?key=359 Feel free to go and unload your special thoughts on spammers! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 20:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:41:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond max heads Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:38:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.153816.0> References: <<199801161927.TAA06024@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Mike Simpson wrote: > > Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that > I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router > head seem to be a bit below par. > > The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max > grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of > corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort > of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any > other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if > so are they reccomended? > > On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating > after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is > still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected > to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired > to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well > if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers > heads fit the Diamond Max? > > Thanks for any help that you can give, > > Mike Simpson. > ---- Dear Mike, I believe that your question may be more directly addressed by Jennifer Daniels, who usually lurks here somewhere... Jennifer?? As our resident Diamond Tech expert, d'ya wanna git this'un? I'd be interested in the answer myself since the disk which was included in my new Diamond Max Deluxe is also starting to get really 'funky' with some kind of corrosion/peeling sort of action... I have only used it for 4 projects as yet! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 21:05:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:03:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199801172331.RAA26319@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We seem to go from one extreme to the other. Sometimes entire threads are posted with new comments added making a message 5-6 pages long, other times there is only a comment like the one below, without the precipitating comment. > Is this better than E6000 A good rule of thumb is to only quote enough of the message to put your comment in context. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 21:30:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:30:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:34:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199801172357.RAA26344@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I've tried directing mail to the spam address... Don't do that! That gives them YOUR e-mail address and then they add it to mailing lists and you get MORE spam. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 17 23:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:32:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: Email Submission , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:31:19 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk THEN DON'T THE GADDAMNED STUFF On 17 Jan 98, Email Submission wrote: > - > Hello, pardon the intrusion. I don't like to get spam any more than the > next person, but my fiance and I have a new site on the net that we would like > to share with you and get your feedback. > > We are listed as ITL Enterprises and we offer special and unique products over > the web. Our site is not the same old shopping site with the same old boring > stuff. We have very unique and eclectic products. Below is a short list of > what we have to offer. > > > > Vintage Traffic Lights - These are the real thing, red/yellow/green, that have > been removed from service. These make great gifts and great conversation > pieces. > > Priority Start - This little device saves your car battery from ever going > dead. This is a great product and it pays for itself the first time your > lights get left on accidently. > > Wiscasset Baskets - These are handmade pine baskets from the great state of > Maine. You just have to see them to appreciate them. > > Go Light - These are radio remote controlled spot/search lights for > auto/emergency/marine use. They are really something > > Emergency Information Card - These could save your life or the life of a > loved one. I was a fire fighter and have seen the anguish from automobile and > other accidents. That's why we created these. Please take a look! > > Knitty Kitty - Handmade catnip toys for cats. We have seven cats and they all > love playing with them. > > Thanks you for taking time to give us a look and we hope that '98 will > bring many blessings to you. > > Sincerely, > > Michael and Wendy > > We give all the glory to God and thank Him for our blessings. > ITL Enterprises > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 02:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:24:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 02:25:41 -0800 Message-ID: <9801188851.AA885119141@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. Reason: A platform specific error occurred while writing to a file. Likely disk full. Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from daver.bungi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Sat, 17 Jan 98 07:19:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: gluing glass to glass Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan17.483.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GE Silicon II - find it in the bathroom/tile section of your local hardware or home improvement store. Works great. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 07:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:16:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:17:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.2171.0> References: <<1998Jan16.1651.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk I have made several scopes. But I too, am most intrested in how to develpoe a 3 -d effect. I have always been told it is in thew morrors and there placement to degree's and pitch. Can you be of help? Jim Babs wrote: > Hi Mike.. > Always have liked your site, *S* > Have found adobe photoshop was able to provide the repeat.. > or are you looking for more of a 3-d program. > Barb > babs@onr.com > > Regarding M. Savad wrote: > > > i'm having problems trying to figure out a few things. maybe someone > > here know's the solution. > > > > #1. how is the oil filled chamber made? i've seen many of these, so it > > > > must be possible. mainly what is used, how is it sealed ( i figure > > epoxy). > > > > #2. is there a program out there that can give me reflection imagry. > > for > > example if i entered in a particular triangle or shape, i want to be > > able to see what repeat pattern i get for that particualr shape. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > > A > > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 08:08:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: gluing glass to glass Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:07:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801181607.LAA02589@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >me and, I thought, rather clever. We >use 5-minute epoxy or UV glue for >gluing glass to glass. > We also use ultra-violet adhesive and a curing adhesive called hextal. Depending on what we are gluing. The hextal actually glues 1 1/4" plate to 1 1/4" plate glass which we use for our furniture designs. We have done some extremely large tables with this adhesive. Have even run tests on it. And the only way it comes apart is with a sledge hammer and even with that test the the glass that it getting wacked doesn't break apart the one adhered to it usually breaks leaving most of the glass attached at the gluing site.. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 08:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:41:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond max heads Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:40:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.64011.0> References: <<1998Jan17.153816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > Mike Simpson wrote: > > > > Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that > > I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router > > head seem to be a bit below par. > > > > The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max > > grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of > > corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort > > of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any > > other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if > > so are they reccomended? > > > > On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating > > after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is > > still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected > > to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired > > to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well > > if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers > > heads fit the Diamond Max? > > > > Thanks for any help that you can give, > > > > Mike Simpson. > > ---- > > Dear Mike, > > I believe that your question may be more directly addressed by Jennifer > Daniels, who usually lurks here somewhere... Jennifer?? As our > resident Diamond Tech expert, d'ya wanna git this'un? > > I'd be interested in the answer myself since the disk which was included > in my new Diamond Max Deluxe is also starting to get really 'funky' with > some kind of corrosion/peeling sort of action... I have only used it for > 4 projects as yet! > > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > Roanoke Island NC USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i wonder if the aluminum substrate (the wheel), is reacting to the minerals in the water. all other head i've used were either a basic stainless material or brass. but the diamond max uses an aluminum wheel. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 11:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: The Window Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:09:13 -0800 Message-ID: <199801181909.LAA04764@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whilst I sat thinking of what to do The idea arose of something in blue. With subtle shades of pink, I thought Might look nice Then might naught. Maybe should be a tiny rose... or a tiny elf upon his toes. Lead or foil? Or zinc? Or brass? Maybe all four Would give it some class. And just what shape should this be? Round or oval? Rectangle or square? Oh-let me see... Endless choices of glass there are... Mottled or streaky, opaque or clear? Textured and smooth Oh dear, oh dear. Ah-tis no matter I'll just start... The beauty comes from within the heart. It's my project... I'm proud of it all... No matter how big no matter how small. All the joy comes When it's hung with care... In a window that was... once so bare. Cody "Do not anticipate tomorrow. Especially if you haven't gotten through today." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 12:26:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:24:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.142414.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use either 1 or 2 fans on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be concerned about the air that I'm breathing? I open the back door to the garage sometimes but that's all. Should I be doing something else? Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 13:04:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: The Window Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:09:13 -0800 Message-ID: <199801181909.LAA04764@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whilst I sat thinking of what to do The idea arose of something in blue. With subtle shades of pink, I thought Might look nice Then might naught. Maybe should be a tiny rose... or a tiny elf upon his toes. Lead or foil? Or zinc? Or brass? Maybe all four Would give it some class. And just what shape should this be? Round or oval? Rectangle or square? Oh-let me see... Endless choices of glass there are... Mottled or streaky, opaque or clear? Textured and smooth Oh dear, oh dear. Ah-tis no matter I'll just start... The beauty comes from within the heart. It's my project... I'm proud of it all... No matter how big no matter how small. All the joy comes When it's hung with care... In a window that was... once so bare. Cody "Do not anticipate tomorrow. Especially if you haven't gotten through today." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 13:12:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:12:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.10487.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk With MSIE4, I can set my "Inbox Assistant" to delete any mail containing any subject such as "TAIM", to "delete from server" B4 I get it. Neat, huh. -----Original Message----- From: Don McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 12:38 AM Subject: Re: Ad: TAIM Certified E-mail Id like to hear from you >> I've tried directing mail to the spam address... > >Don't do that! That gives them YOUR e-mail address and then they add >it to mailing lists and you get MORE spam. > >Don M. McDonald >Web Design >Corporate Communications Technology >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 13:59:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:58:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ameritech.net!mmcd1 From: "M. McDonald" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD2432.238C3D80" Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199801182157.QAA29257@mailhost.detroit.mi.ameritech.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD2432.238C3D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1-18-98 Hello Lyn, I teach stained glass in an Adult Ed. course and I tell my students to try and do all they can to avoid solder and lead fumes. Lead is a carcinogen and anything you can do to avoid inhaling fumes is a good thing. It sounds that you've made a significant move if you've got 2 fans, just make sure they exhaust out of the area and not just blow the air around. Good luck, Mike McDonald ---------- > From: Lyn Butler > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Lead concern > Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 9:24 AM > > My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use either 1 or 2 fans > on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be concerned about the air > that I'm breathing? I open the back door to the garage sometimes but > that's all. Should I be doing something else? > > Lyn > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------=_NextPart_000_01BD2432.238C3D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1-18-98
Hello Lyn,

I teach = stained glass in an Adult Ed. course and I tell my students to try and = do all they can to avoid solder and lead fumes.  Lead is a = carcinogen and anything you can do to avoid inhaling fumes is a good = thing.  

It sounds that you've made a significant move if = you've got 2 fans, just make sure they exhaust out of the area and not = just blow the air around.

Good luck,
Mike = McDonald

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> From: Lyn Butler <lynb@gnt.net>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> = Subject: Lead concern
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 9:24 = AM
>
> My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use = either 1 or 2 fans
> on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be = concerned about the air
> that I'm breathing? I open the back door = to the garage sometimes but
> that's all.  Should I be doing = something else?
>
> Lyn
>  
>
> = ----
> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com
> To send to the list, =      please mail to: glass@bungi.com
> = Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass

------=_NextPart_000_01BD2432.238C3D80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 14:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:11:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.121038.0> References: <<1998Jan18.142414.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use either 1 or 2 fans > on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be concerned about the air > that I'm breathing? I open the back door to the garage sometimes but > that's all. Should I be doing something else? > > Lyn > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that should be ok, as long as the fans carry the fumes away from you, and not towards your face. you might want to put a fan in the door, to help in cirulation. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 15:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:58:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801182358.SAA21477@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote, > >I teach stained glass in an Adult Ed. course and I tell my students to try >and do all they can to avoid solder and lead fumes. Lead is a carcinogen >and anything you can do to avoid inhaling fumes is a good thing. > >It sounds that you've made a significant move if you've got 2 fans, just >make sure they exhaust out of the area and not just blow the air around. > > What I might suggest to both of you is to have your students buy those small fans that you see in Home Depot ...little ocliating fans. (sp?) And have them set them at one end of the work table. This will blow the fumes at least out of their inhale zone. Just make sure their not blowing it into the person working next to them. I am sure that the Adult Ed course is not held is an enviornment designed for such classes. So these small fans will cut the fumes down. Also those little muffin fans that you find inside computers do work well also. This is by no means a solution to the fume problem....just a band aid. Our studio has a large exhaust system that is vented to the roof. It goes anywhere we want it to., We use it in the mud room. I use it over my torch when I am doing lampwork. And we can position it over our work tables while soldering. Won't be of any use for someone working in their home. Also just for general information we do have are lead levels tested every year. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 16:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Web site or e-mail? Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:32:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.03240.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have looked at what seems like every glass site that all of you have offered as links through your web pages but I haven't found Mid America Stained Glass located in Kansas City, KS. Anyone out there know of a web page or e-mail address? Thanks! Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 16:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:48:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199801190048.AAA31246@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From: "desmau" To: Subject: Gatewayed mail message Dear Evelyn, First of all, I am delighted to note another EUROPEAN amongst Bungi people. Welcome to the Group! I am also sad that your message into the Group got a bit swamped.. What you are asking for is to buy glass nuggets at wholesale prices. I don't know if you have had any private e-mails on this subject, but if not, may I suggest that your "first port of call" is Hetleys in London. They are - without any doubt - the most authoritative supplier of stained glass materials in UK And than Goodness they now do have their own web-site. Italy belonging to the so called European Community (as does England) you should be able to negotiate some sort of whole-sale deal OR - alternatively obtain advice from them, whereby you import your requirements tax-free, if you have not received a better source of information in the meantime. Hetley's web-address is as follows: http://hetleys.co.uk/baseframe.html Good Luck and do keep us posted of your progress! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK . My name is Evelyn, I am an Italian artist, I am trying to find glass =nuggets at wholesale prices, If you can give me any help, addresses or =information, please answer me. e-mail desmau@uol.it Studio address : Evelyn Bagnasco Via Aleardi 14, 20154=20 Milano Italy ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My name is Evelyn, I am = an Italian=20 artist, I am trying to find glass nuggets at wholesale prices, If you = can give=20 me any help, addresses or information, please answer me.
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Studio address : Evelyn = Bagnasco
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD22E2.9C0D1BE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 17:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:32:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: exhaust system Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 17:30:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199801190131.RAA25509@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would strongly suggest that everyone make the attempt to remove/not breathe fumes. The removal of fumes from flux is every bit as important as the possibility of problems from the solder (does the solder fume?). Anything from a full face respirator to a full exhaust system should be considered. Usually fans just move the fumes and tend to cool the solder to fast. I have a squirrel cage motor mounted on a ceiling joist, lengths of 4" flex dryer hose and an outside venting system. The hose can moved and positioned over the lamp stand to pull fumes right off the shade as I work. I have a board the height of the window with a 4" diameter hole that fits into the frame when the sliding window is opened. The window is then closed tight against the board and the hose goes through the hole in the board. It is weather tight and the fumes are vented outside. A dryer cap flap can be installed if the weather is a problem. It is possible to set a portable fan/vent system that can be stored when not in use. enjoy, H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 17:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:34:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: mosaics on walls Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:31:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980118192704.1c1f2d72@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have been intrigued for awhile about doing a mosaic on a wall, and I do have all those left over bits of glass (the box is almost full)! So.... since no one wants to pay me to do one, and anyway I don't know how... I thought I would do one on the cement wall of the stable (under the studio) and gain some experience as well as hopefully beautify the saddling area..... so.... how would I need to prepare the cement surface... and what would you suggest that I stick the glass on with. Any suggestions greatfully accepted.... I do have a friend who is a tile layer... so I can have the surface refinished if neccesary.... or talk him into helping me lay the glass like tiles if I need to... and so learn.... Again, thanks for any advice---- Meg REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 18:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:19:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:19:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.201946.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the responses to my "lead concern". I can't wait for spring so that I can open both the back garage door and also the big garage door! It's suprising how cold it can get here in north Florida and then how hot. I'm really concerned about the fumes and have tried using one of those masks that go over your mouth and nose but it winds up interfering with my glasses. I've got to find something that works...maybe if I do my soldering out on my back screened porch... Thanks again for your help. Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 19:05:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:04:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead concern Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:03:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.3331.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-18 21:21:06 EST, you write: << I've got to find something that works... >> I have found the Fume Trap (small black ceramic box) that has a filter in it a fairly good way to "remove" the fumes. I found it made a big difference. Of course it's not as good as fresh air or a big ventilation system, but it has worked for me. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 23:04:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:03:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.18430.0> References: <<199801182358.SAA21477@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Mike wrote, > >I teach stained glass in an Adult Ed. course and I tell my students to try >and do all they can to avoid solder and lead fumes. Lead is a carcinogen >and anything you can do to avoid inhaling fumes is a good thing. > >It sounds that you've made a significant move if you've got 2 fans, just >make sure they exhaust out of the area and not just blow the air around. > ---- Dear Mike, Just to set the record straight, lead is NOT a carcinogen--it IS a highly toxic heavy metal which is permanantly absorbed by the liver and other internal organs where it sits and continually poisons you via your blood stream. I have a friend who is slowly dying of lead poisoning which developed after pressure washing the exterior of a building 8 years ago. He was a self-employed painter with no health insurance and now has no recourse but Social Security and MedicAid. At just 55 he is almost completely paralyzed on his left side, has permanent numbness in both hands and is getting it in his feet. The prognosis is that by this time next year he will be unable to fell himself take a step and probably will have to give up walking altogether; but that he will also probably manage to linger on another 3 to 5 years before it finally does kill him. Sorry, to get sort of off topic, but lead poisoning is deadly, dangerous, and VERY subtle. I take it incredibly seriously and now you know why. Wash your hands thoroughly, change your clothes and wash them separately, use EXCELLENT fume removal and ventilation procedures! PLEASE!! I don't want to tell the horrible tale of anyone else's slow death by lead poisoning. I get tested every 6 months to a year too... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA PS lead particles ARE carried in flux vapor and are absorbable through breating or contact with an open wound. Bandage/cover all your nicks and scratches from glass too, okay? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 18 23:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:27:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: A must see sigtht Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:26:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.152647.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi. I was watching T.V. tonite and this came on about this guys exhibit in Portland (Or.) ending tomorrow. The most beautiful glass exhibit I have ever seen. You can see some of the work and read about the artist at koin.com (it worked for me) Click on Goodbye to the Chihuly Exhibit. And enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 00:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:03:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.18430.0> References: <<199801182358.SAA21477@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Mike wrote, > >I teach stained glass in an Adult Ed. course and I tell my students to try >and do all they can to avoid solder and lead fumes. Lead is a carcinogen >and anything you can do to avoid inhaling fumes is a good thing. > >It sounds that you've made a significant move if you've got 2 fans, just >make sure they exhaust out of the area and not just blow the air around. > ---- Dear Mike, Just to set the record straight, lead is NOT a carcinogen--it IS a highly toxic heavy metal which is permanantly absorbed by the liver and other internal organs where it sits and continually poisons you via your blood stream. I have a friend who is slowly dying of lead poisoning which developed after pressure washing the exterior of a building 8 years ago. He was a self-employed painter with no health insurance and now has no recourse but Social Security and MedicAid. At just 55 he is almost completely paralyzed on his left side, has permanent numbness in both hands and is getting it in his feet. The prognosis is that by this time next year he will be unable to fell himself take a step and probably will have to give up walking altogether; but that he will also probably manage to linger on another 3 to 5 years before it finally does kill him. Sorry, to get sort of off topic, but lead poisoning is deadly, dangerous, and VERY subtle. I take it incredibly seriously and now you know why. Wash your hands thoroughly, change your clothes and wash them separately, use EXCELLENT fume removal and ventilation procedures! PLEASE!! I don't want to tell the horrible tale of anyone else's slow death by lead poisoning. I get tested every 6 months to a year too... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA PS lead particles ARE carried in flux vapor and are absorbable through breating or contact with an open wound. Bandage/cover all your nicks and scratches from glass too, okay? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 00:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:46:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:47:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.84752.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 19:32 18/01/98 EST, Lu Ann wrote: >I have looked at what seems like every glass site that all of you have offered >as links through your web pages but I haven't found Mid America Stained Glass >located in Kansas City, KS. Anyone out there know of a web page or e-mail >address? Thanks! My last resort when I cant find a web address is to phone the company and ask them for it - usually it is easy to find the number once you have a location and name. I suggest this fairly obvious solution because I once spent days using search engines before thinking of ringing the company direct - a bit of a one track mind sometimes. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 01:25:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:25:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:19:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.91929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk With all the advice about venting the fumes or using fans, I was wondering if using a room ionizer would help filter the fumes at all. My shop is set up in the basement, it's a fairly open area but I do not have any fans running at all. I have 2 ionizers with HEPA filters. Any ideas??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 02:10:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:10:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:17:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >as links through your web pages but I haven't found Mid America Stained Glass > >located in Kansas City, KS. Anyone out there know of a web page or e-mail > >address? They don't have one, as far as *we know. Not all companies are on the web (yet). Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 04:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:46:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.2497.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim said: I have made several scopes. But I too, am most intrested in how to = develpoe a 3 -d effect. I have always been told it is in thew morrors and there placement to degree's and pitch. Can you be of help? Jim The 3-d effect is created by using tapered mirrors with the small ends = at the object end and the large end at the eye piece end. Delphi, and = maybe others sell a wonderful video called something like "Master = Kaleidoscopes - Series I" (I hope there will be more). A fellow named = Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized scopes = shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape = starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made tools. = But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = master. It's well worth the price of the tape since you will want to = watch it over and over. I recommend it to anyone, not just scope makers = because he has some techniques for cutting long straight cuts that are = so simple but we just don't think of them. Oh, he also gives you a look = down the mirrors to see what they do after he cuts them. Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 05:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:41:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:39:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.133933.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-19 07:48:31 EST, you write: << A fellow named = Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized scopes = shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape = starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made tools. = But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = master. >> Linda, I agree with you 100% - I couldn't recall his name and had loaned the tape out (couldn't contact the friend) so I was at a loss. I have watched it a few times. Those of you interested have pencil and paper with you when you watch it so you can write down the list of very common items, and for the most part very inexpensive, that will be given at the end of the tape. It does start out "slow" but that doesn't last long. IMHO it is well worth the money. If my memory serves me correctly, Mr. Doaks also provides a list of organizations that solely address kaleidescopes, Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 05:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:50:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:49:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.134928.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-19 03:48:19 EST, you write: << y last resort when I cant find a web address is to phone the company and ask them for it >> LOL - well Elizabeth & Sam calling the company is my last resort also. The next to the last resort is to contact bungi. Since it was Sunday I didn't figure they would be open. I thought someone on the bungi list might have the info. and then all of the people on bungi would have it available to them. I always appreciate the "obvious" being pointed out because sometimes I overlook it - "can't see the tree for the forest" type of thing. Thanks again. I will put what info. I find out if they do have an e-mail or web site, however, Albert Lewis said as far as the Guild knows they don't (yet). Lu Ann Whispy Blu@aol.com Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 06:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:09:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Etching Cream Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.23757.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi Fellow Artists, Lu Ann, I have been using an etching cream from B & B Products, Inc. and it works good, but, I have also used Armour and found it to work very well also. The only thing about Armour is that it seems to be a little more granular than B&B, but it still works as well. Hope that helps. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 06:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:37:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:36:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.4362.0> References: <<1998Jan19.133933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whispy Blu wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-19 07:48:31 EST, you write: > > << A fellow named = > Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized scopes = > shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape = > starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made tools. = > But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = > master. >> > > Linda, I agree with you 100% - I couldn't recall his name and had loaned the > tape out (couldn't contact the friend) so I was at a loss. I have watched it > a few times. Those of you interested have pencil and paper with you when you > watch it so you can write down the list of very common items, and for the most > part very inexpensive, that will be given at the end of the tape. It does > start out "slow" but that doesn't last long. IMHO it is well worth the money. > If my memory serves me correctly, Mr. Doaks also provides a list of > organizations that solely address kaleidescopes, > > Lu Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass off hand about how long is the tape? and how much does it cost? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 06:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:50:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: scanning glass Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:01:15 -0600 Message-ID: <199801191447.IAA03533@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good Morning Bungi Just finished up a major upgrade on the old pc. installed 64 mg ram... installed scsi interface and HP scanjet 5p ....and a ditto backup tape drive major project for a techno dummy like me! .....Went pretty well though one of the first things I scanned was a piece of opal,.... not bad.... colors were a little off but I'm sure I can learn to make the adjustments now I can send samples to my sister for her long overdue project without sending glass via snail mail Kewl!!! (Here comes the segue) problem is Outlook Express or any other e-mail icon did not show up on the Paperport desktop link bar and at this point I can't get a scan into e-mail as attachment. I know this is a little off topic but I would appreciate advise form someone familiar with this software. Thanks Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 07:24:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:23:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.52540.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MIke Said: off hand about how long is the tape? and how much does it cost? ---Mike Savad Seems like it was about $39 and it's at least 90 minutes long as I = remember. LIke I said, I got mine from Delphi when they were doing their = 25% off thingie. He is really a perfectionist (you can relate to that, Mike since I have = seen your web page work.)=20 Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 07:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:28:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:28:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.92828.0> References: <<1998Jan19.3331.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whispy Blu wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-18 21:21:06 EST, you write: > > << I've got to find something that > works... >> > > I have found the Fume Trap (small black ceramic box) that has a filter > in it a > fairly good way to "remove" the fumes. I found it made a big > difference. Of > course it's not as good as fresh air or a big ventilation system, but > it has > worked for me. Lu Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Where would I find the Fume Trap? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 09:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The Window Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:06:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.1644.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Cody I enjoyed your poem about stained glass and shared it with several of my friends.When I go to your site I see we both enjoy the same thing, but I don't see any of your stained glass work there and would love to see some. Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 09:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:14:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!bonita3 From: "dsle Elsd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:14:18 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.171418.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE: Kaleidoscope Video Tape Current Delphi retail catalog (p43) shows following: "Kaleidoscope Master Series - Volume 1" by Don Doak,running time 100 minutes, #6100V, $33.95 Don't have a current full size W-C catalog but perhaps Charles is 'lurking' and could tell us their price. Jean >From: "M. Savad" > >off hand about how long is the tape? and how much does it cost? > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 09:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A must see sigtht Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:52:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.45223.0> References: <<1998Jan18.152647.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Hi. > I was watching T.V. tonite and this came on about this guys exhibit in > Portland (Or.) ending tomorrow. The most beautiful glass exhibit I have > ever seen. > You can see some of the work and read about the artist at > koin.com (it worked for me) > Click on Goodbye to the Chihuly Exhibit. And enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ---- The URL for that display is and you're right Shirley, it's FAB! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 10:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:51:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamond max heads Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:51:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801191851.NAA11115@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks. I'd be happy to get in on this. Diamond Max grinders come with a 5 year warranty. If you ever have any questions on any DTI product please call the customer service help line at 800-937-9593. Mack Chase, our customer service manager, would be happy to answer any questions and take care of the problem. Or you may send the disk to Diamond Tech International, attn: Mack Chase, 4002 W. Sate St., Tampa, FL 33609. Please include a note with your return address and he'll replace it immediately. Thanks for purchasing the Diamond Max grinder. Happy grinding. Sincerely, Jennifer Daniels Diamond Tech International www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti P.S. For any stained glass dealers, if you would like free support materials on Max grinders or other DTI products please give Tracy a call at 800-937-9593. We recently made full color display posters for Max grinders, Diamond Laser band saws and MosaicArt. We also have flyers, clip art, post cards and sales referrals. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for your support. At 11:38 PM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Mike Simpson wrote: >> >> Can anybody give me some advise on a little (big) problem that >> I am having with one of my grinders? both the disk and the router >> head seem to be a bit below par. >> >> The little diamond pads on the 5" diameter disk of my Diamond Max >> grinder are coming off, this seems to be related to some form of >> corrosion that is lifting the edges of the pads. Is there any sort >> of anti-corrosive that I could add to the lubricant? does any >> other manufacturer make disks for the Diamond Max grinder and if >> so are they reccomended? >> >> On the 1" router head, I have had the diamond coating de-laminating >> after only a fairly short use and while the diamond surface is >> still sharp. I don't think that these heads haven't been subjected >> to too much pressure, my first Glastar head was honorably retired >> to a standby role after (at a guess) 250 hours and still cuts well >> if slowly. As with the disks, can anybody advise if other makers >> heads fit the Diamond Max? >> >> Thanks for any help that you can give, >> >> Mike Simpson. >> ---- > >Dear Mike, > >I believe that your question may be more directly addressed by Jennifer >Daniels, who usually lurks here somewhere... Jennifer?? As our >resident Diamond Tech expert, d'ya wanna git this'un? > >I'd be interested in the answer myself since the disk which was included >in my new Diamond Max Deluxe is also starting to get really 'funky' with >some kind of corrosion/peeling sort of action... I have only used it for >4 projects as yet! > >V T Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >Roanoke Island NC USA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 11:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:59:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.115933.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate that idea too. Thanks. Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 11:48:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:47:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:41:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.194159.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-19 08:51:51 EST, you write: > LOL - well Elizabeth & Sam calling the company is my last resort also. The > next to the last resort is to contact bungi. Since it was Sunday I didn't > figure they would be open. I thought someone on the bungi list might have > the > info. and then all of the people on bungi would have it available to them. > I > always appreciate the "obvious" being pointed out because sometimes I > overlook > it - "can't see the tree for the forest" type of thing. Thanks again. I > will > put what info. I find out if they do have an e-mail or web site, however, > Albert Lewis said as far as the Guild knows they don't (yet). > > Lu Ann > Whispy Blu@aol.com > and you told her didn''t you LOL LOL, in a very soft way LOL LOL oh shoot ROTFLMAO deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 11:52:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A must see sigtht Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:52:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.45223.0> References: <<1998Jan18.152647.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Hi. > I was watching T.V. tonite and this came on about this guys exhibit in > Portland (Or.) ending tomorrow. The most beautiful glass exhibit I have > ever seen. > You can see some of the work and read about the artist at > koin.com (it worked for me) > Click on Goodbye to the Chihuly Exhibit. And enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ---- The URL for that display is and you're right Shirley, it's FAB! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 11:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:54:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Only in part s.g, and more about pigs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:41:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.194152.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-17 21:08:44 EST, you write: > I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian > to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! > Elizabeth, Are you saying that people from the US are all FAT and that no UKn's are? Sorry for the off glass but we seem to be getting that way right now anyway. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:51:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.195159.0> References: <<199801190048.AAA31246@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801190048.AAA31246@pluto.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >From: "desmau" >To: >Subject: Gatewayed mail message >Dear Evelyn, > > may I suggest that your "first port of call" is Hetleys in >London. They are - without any doubt - the most authoritative >supplier of stained glass materials in UK >And than Goodness they now do have their own web-site. I was very disappointed last time I went to get nuggets from them. Their range was very limited. However I have found an importer (most of these nuggets seem to be made in Mexico), It is Container Group Buying King's Hill Industrial Estate Bude Cornwall, EX23 8QN Tel 01288 353838 Fax 01288 354978 Moblie 0831 112355 They do lots of things but among them are glass pebbles in 336 gram bags. YOu have to buy 10 of each minimum. They have 15 colours: Crystal ice clear Crystal light blue Crystal ruby red Crystal teal Crystal aqua blue Shimmer - (i.e. irridescent) ice clear pink green light blue lialic white black teal Frosty - (ie. roughened as though sandblasted) pink aqua blue Prices range from 80pence to 1.35 (plus tax) per bag of about 70 nuggets; so they are very cheap. Alternatively, you can buy smaller quantities from me (at higher prices, of course, to deal with quantity and posting :-) just joking! Honest! The people at Continer Grou Buiying were very helpful Steve > -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:02:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:03:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.735.0> References: <<1998Jan19.2497.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk Is this tape at Delphia, In Lansing Michigan? I bevel the mirror's to create angles, such as 32x32x70 degree's. By tapering do you mean 1.37 in at one end and 1.87 at the other? Because I believe I tried that once and I don't remember getting 3-d effects. But I'm always open to any suggestions. I've done scopes for 5 years and glass for 30. Here in Cleveland Ohio, scopes, glass and in general don't sell to well. Jim Linda Campbell wrote: > Jim said: > > I have made several scopes. But I too, am most intrested in how to = > develpoe > a 3 -d effect. I have always been told it is in thew morrors and there > placement to degree's and pitch. > Can you be of help? > Jim > > The 3-d effect is created by using tapered mirrors with the small ends = > at the object end and the large end at the eye piece end. Delphi, and = > maybe others sell a wonderful video called something like "Master = > Kaleidoscopes - Series I" (I hope there will be more). A fellow named = > Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized scopes = > shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape = > starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made tools. = > But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = > master. It's well worth the price of the tape since you will want to = > watch it over and over. I recommend it to anyone, not just scope makers = > because he has some techniques for cutting long straight cuts that are = > so simple but we just don't think of them. Oh, he also gives you a look = > down the mirrors to see what they do after he cuts them. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:05:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.7552.0> References: <<1998Jan19.171418.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk Thanks for the lead....... Jim dsle Elsd wrote: > RE: Kaleidoscope Video Tape > > Current Delphi retail catalog (p43) shows following: > "Kaleidoscope Master Series - Volume 1" > by Don Doak,running time 100 minutes, #6100V, $33.95 > > Don't have a current full size W-C catalog but perhaps Charles is > 'lurking' and could tell us their price. > > Jean > > >From: "M. Savad" > > > > >off hand about how long is the tape? and how much does it cost? > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > A > >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > >---- > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:11:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:11:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.71151.0> References: <<1998Jan19.171418.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk $33.95 running time is 100 mins. Jim dsle Elsd wrote: > RE: Kaleidoscope Video Tape > > Current Delphi retail catalog (p43) shows following: > "Kaleidoscope Master Series - Volume 1" > by Don Doak,running time 100 minutes, #6100V, $33.95 > > Don't have a current full size W-C catalog but perhaps Charles is > 'lurking' and could tell us their price. > > Jean > > >From: "M. Savad" > > > > >off hand about how long is the tape? and how much does it cost? > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up > A > >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > >---- > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:38:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980119201656.00697b98@mail.kwic.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn: How about boxes, beveled or otherwise? It would work for the men as well as the women and you could use colour to great advantage by matching the bridesmaids dresses. They could be small as ring boxes or larger as jewellery boxes. It's just a thought. Linda At 11:59 AM 19/1/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something >unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of >something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate >that idea too. Thanks. > >Lyn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:40:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:40:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980119154024.006c1fec@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:59 AM 1/19/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something >unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of >something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate >that idea too. Thanks. A nice stained glass picture frame with the picture of the wedding party might be nice. When they are tired of the wedding party they can put their own picture inside it. I have made very nice ones with pressed metal flourishs soldered to the corners. Very simple to do and they look fantastic! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:48:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Window Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:41:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.194156.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk boy are you talented, I like it when someones art flows into another art deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 12:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:51:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:32:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.113211.0> References: <<1998Jan19.03240.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Mid-America Stained Glass went out of business last year. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 13:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:03:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:38:15 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had great luck finding glass nuggets at generic craft stores, the kinds that have lots of baskets, silk flowers and vases. They are about $1 per bag and available in lots of colors. I think they use them mostly to hold long stemmed flowers upright in the vases. They also usually have a large selection of glass marbles. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 13:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:44:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: mosaics on walls Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:42:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980119164253.00840210@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1.5.4.16.19980118192704.1c1f2d72@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Meg, In your words: >Hi all, > I have been intrigued for awhile about doing a mosaic on a wall, so.... how would I need to prepare the cement surface... >and what would you suggest that I stick the glass on with. Any suggestions >greatfully accepted.... Is the wall painted? If not, just clean it well, and proceed. If it's painted, I would scrape the paint to get a rough surface where I plan to apply my mosaics. You don't need to remove all the paint, most will do. As to adhesive, either thin set or mastic will work fine, followed by grout, of course. > I do have a friend who is a tile layer... so I can have the surface >refinished if neccesary.... or talk him into helping me lay the glass like >tiles if I need to... and so learn.... What do you know about the indirect method of mosaic construction????? I don't know how you're planning to lay out your pattern before you apply it, but the indirect method makes it all so easy, both for layout and installing the tile. I have a sheaf of files (much from bungi thanks to Dawn) which include a tutorial on the indirect method by mosaic artist George Fishman. If you like, you can download the .zipped files at: http://www.netrox.net/~mjtaylor/mosaic.html If you need the files unzipped, email me privately and I will get them to you. I have a NEW email address, BTW: mjtaylor@netrox.net. That goes for any of my fellow bungians, of course. Hope this is of some help, Meg. Cheers, M.-J. We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth others are here for I don't know. -- W.H. Auden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 14:10:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:10:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crl.com!slally From: Sean Lally To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:04:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<3.0.32.19980119154024.006c1fec@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Speaking of gifts and photographs I had an idea (don't know how good it is though...): Has anyone ever taken a photograph and done a three or four color seperation of it and made silk screens of each color to silk screen a sheet of glass with the appropriate color of ground glass suspended in a medium which would then be fired and the process repeated for each color to reproduce a color photo on glass? If not can anyone imagine that it would be doable? I don't have a kiln so have no experience with this sort of thing. Thanks. Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 14:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:15:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A must see sigtht Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980119171352.0084c3f0@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1998Jan18.152647.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley wrote: >Hi. >I was watching T.V. tonite and this came on about this guys exhibit in >Portland (Or.) ending tomorrow. The most beautiful glass exhibit I have >ever seen. >You can see some of the work and read about the artist at >koin.com (it worked for me) >Click on Goodbye to the Chihuly Exhibit. And enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you find this link outdated, you can still get to the lovely works of Chihuly by visiting the site directly: http://www.chihuly.com/ It is pretty much a must see if you like glass. As ever, M.-J. I intend to live forever - so far, so good! (unknown) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 14:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.12293.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something > unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of > something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate > that idea too. Thanks. > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how about napkin rings (with lead free solder). or maybe a pocket mirror, with their name in script on the back (either sandblasted, or sandwiched). small jewelry boxes, say 2x3". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 14:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:49:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web site or e-mail? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:27:43 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.222743.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Lu-Ann, Mid America Stained Glass is no longer in business. We are a mail order supplier that stocks many of the items that they sold. Please call or email for our free 64 pg. supply catalog. Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Ct. Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 FAX: 1-941-379-8827 GlasCrafts@aol.com www.glasscrafters.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 15:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:19:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan19.231957.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-19 16:05:55 EST, you write: << have had great luck finding glass nuggets at generic craft stores, the kinds that have lots of baskets, silk flowers and vases. They are about $1 per bag and available in lots of colors. I think they use them mostly to hold long stemmed flowers upright in the vases. They also usually have a large selection of glass marbles. Don M. McDonald >> This is true, BUT, before you all go runnning out there and buying many many bags of these nuggets, there is something I want to tell you. They were on sale a year ago at my local craft shop, and I did just that. I ended up returning the un-opened packages, because when I looked at them many were cracked, had large surface flaws, were mis-shapen, or had backs that were split-level. So, it may be a good idea to buy a sample bag and examine the quality level, before you stock up on them . ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 15:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.133529.0> References: <<1998Jan19.92828.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Where would I find the Fume Trap? Warner and Delphi both carry it. http://www.warner-criv.com/ http://www.delphiglass.com/ Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 15:52:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.135244.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. My newest quick and easy present is this potporri holder I saw at Warner. This is where one picture is worth a thousand words!! Imagine a square bevel 3 or 4" turned on its side to be a diamond. Now cut two half circles out of a beautiful glass and solder them to the top two sides of the diamond. You now have a heart (perfect wedding gift!!). Do this two times. Now take a 3 or 4" by 1 or 2" bevel and solder to the bottom sides of the hearts creating a V-shaped "box" in the bevel area. Attach rings either in the center of the hearts or at the sides. Put a colored poporri in the bevel box part that matches the glass you selected. Thread a satin ribbon that matches thru the rings. Voila! I just did one that had deep red glass and I found a nice red cinnamon apple potporri. It was a big hit. It was for a cousin. The last gift was a panel I did for them and they liked this better. Go figure. Sigh. BTW. You will probably have to make a trial one to work out all the kinks. While this little project is easier than a panel, it does have its pitfalls. Be sure to tin everything before you start assembling. And you may need to reinforce the edge if the top of the heart gets wobbily. Are you getting married? Take care, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 15:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:51:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:56:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.115620.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Lyn, Hi. What about some votive candle holders? A couple of dif. ideas **one side a foiled design (maybe in wedding colors?) and the other sides solid colors or gluechip? **or an initial (the attendant's) in one side "set" in gluechip? **or abstracted shapes in two/three colors (wedding colors) making 4 squares for the sides? **use "thin" glass blocks in different sizes to make graduated set of three/gift? In the Christmas catalogs ths year were lots of these sorts of presents - very pricey and in catalogs like Sundance, Out of the West, etc., etc. some of the nicest used the foil lines and solder as part of the design elements, others, obviously didn't. proof that good design doesn't change even when the object does. linn Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something > unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of > something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate > that idea too. Thanks. > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 15:54:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:53:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Question about Hanging Panel Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 18:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199801192353.SAA27841@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians, One of my students is starting an 18x24 copper-foiled panel, with less than 30 pieces of glass. She would like to attach it somehow onto the front door of her store, which is one very large piece of plate glass. Would it be feasible for us to silicone it to the inside of the door? If so, would 1/8" zinc be appropriate to frame it with? If not, can you think of another way of attaching it to the door safely? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 16:29:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:29:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question about Hanging Panel Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:21:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.12217.0> References: <<199801192353.SAA27841@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk Suzanne said > > One of my students is starting an 18x24 copper-foiled panel, with less > than 30 pieces of glass. > > She would like to attach it somehow onto the front door of her store, > which is one very large piece of plate glass. > > Would it be feasible for us to silicone it to the inside of the door? If > so, would 1/8" zinc be appropriate to frame it with? If not, can you > think of another way of attaching it to the door safely? Any thoughts or > suggestions? She is much more brave than I, if she would even think about gluing a SG piece to a glass door. Her insurance would be more likely to stay in force if she were to attach the frame of the SG piece to the frame of the door. Maybe the Zink could extend to the metal door frame? Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 17:10:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:10:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:08:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.15849.0> References: <<1998Jan19.735.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim McAdam wrote: > > Is this tape at Delphia, In Lansing Michigan? > I bevel the mirror's to create angles, such as 32x32x70 degree's. By tapering > do you mean 1.37 in at one end and 1.87 at the other? Because I believe I > tried that once and I don't remember getting 3-d effects. > But I'm always open to any suggestions. I've done scopes for 5 years and glass > for 30. Here in Cleveland Ohio, scopes, glass and in general don't sell to > well. > Jim > > Linda Campbell wrote: > > > Jim said: > > > > I have made several scopes. But I too, am most intrested in how to = > > develpoe > > a 3 -d effect. I have always been told it is in thew morrors and there > > placement to degree's and pitch. > > Can you be of help? > > Jim > > > > The 3-d effect is created by using tapered mirrors with the small ends = > > at the object end and the large end at the eye piece end. Delphi, and = > > maybe others sell a wonderful video called something like "Master = > > Kaleidoscopes - Series I" (I hope there will be more). A fellow named = > > Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized scopes = > > shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape = > > starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made tools. = > > But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = > > master. It's well worth the price of the tape since you will want to = > > watch it over and over. I recommend it to anyone, not just scope makers = > > because he has some techniques for cutting long straight cuts that are = > > so simple but we just don't think of them. Oh, he also gives you a look = > > down the mirrors to see what they do after he cuts them. > > > > Linda Campbell > > Suffolk, VA > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths > fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind > breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine > unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the one that they were referering to looked like a tall skinny funnel. i believe that you looked in the large section, and viewed the small area. i think it may also be done with 4 mirrors but i could be wrong. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 17:16:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:16:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:16:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.191637.0> References: <<1998Jan19.135244.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. > > My newest quick and easy present is this potporri holder I saw at > Warner. This is where one picture is worth a thousand words!! > > Imagine a square bevel 3 or 4" turned on its side to be a diamond. Now > > cut two half circles out of a beautiful glass and solder them to the > top > two sides of the diamond. You now have a heart (perfect wedding > gift!!). > Do this two times. Now take a 3 or 4" by 1 or 2" bevel and solder to > the > bottom sides of the hearts creating a V-shaped "box" in the bevel > area. > Attach rings either in the center of the hearts or at the sides. Put a > > colored poporri in the bevel box part that matches the glass you > selected. Thread a satin ribbon that matches thru the rings. Voila! > > I just did one that had deep red glass and I found a nice red cinnamon > > apple potporri. It was a big hit. It was for a cousin. The last gift > was > a panel I did for them and they liked this better. Go figure. Sigh. > > BTW. You will probably have to make a trial one to work out all the > kinks. While this little project is easier than a panel, it does have > its pitfalls. Be sure to tin everything before you start assembling. > And > you may need to reinforce the edge if the top of the heart gets > wobbily. > > Are you getting married? > > Take care, > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hilary, Not me, my daughter. I've been happily married for 25 years! Christmas brought the excitement of this engagement so I thought if I could get a jumpstart on a few things now we won't be rushed later. She does s.g. also and she would like to do something handmade for the attendants, means more when it's handmade. Thanks for your suggestion, will make one and see how it comes out. Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 17:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:19:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.151915.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115620.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk John Keller wrote: > > Lyn, > Hi. What about some votive candle holders? A couple of dif. ideas > **one side a foiled design (maybe in wedding colors?) and the other > sides solid colors or gluechip? **or an initial (the attendant's) in one > side "set" in gluechip? ... I was going to suggest the votive candleholders as well, another variation on the theme is to use bevels and perhaps acid etch a design onto some of the bevel faces. I did that one year for Christmas and acid etched snow flakes into each of the bevels. They came out nice and were easy. Roll your own beeswax candle votives and even better. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 18:35:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Really big panel Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.13395.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I've been doing glass for the past 18 years, but to date, my largest panels were 4' x 4' and 5' x 3'. Now I have a job to do that is huge. There's an arch window 21 h x 44.25 wide on top of three transoms 15"hx21, 15"x44.25 and 15"x21. Then under it all, in the middle is a window 44.25 wide by 69.25 high. I have always used restrip in between my copper foiling and rebar where it works horizontally, but I know this big panel is going to need more in the way of structure and I am wondering if anyone has any good ideas. I planned to frame it in 3/4" H zinc so I would have a strong heart to solder the rebar to. Do you think this will be enough, or should I plan on framing it in wood. If I do then the border of the big panel will not be the same as on the other four pieces. This is really keeping me up at night--and help will be greatly appreciated :-} Thanks, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 18:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:47:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.193839.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk All of these ideas are great! I'll try a sample of them all-----who knows, the gift recipients may include more than just the wedding party! Once I get going on something, watch out. Thanks again, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 18:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:47:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Only in part s.g, and more about pigs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:58:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199801200202.CAA15597@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Deb, Quiuckly to "nip" a quote in the bud. What you are quoting was was NOT said by ME. I have NO idea whether or not USA people are fatter than UK-people I am not UK-origin anyhow (and have no axe to grind!!) I will stick to my Swedish origins and purely be a "neutral" observer of what goes on around me. Iam 5 ft 7 inches tall and have a cooked meal about 3 times a week, otherwhise existing from adrenalin and Income Tax Demands..... I will shortly celebrate my 52nd Biorthday. Braybark Toby Tobias demands 2 hours "walking-time" from me daily, come rain come shine. We cover quite a lot of ground together.... The current arguments about meat contaminations go slightly above my head, because I can't actually afford to buy and eat "red" meat.I don't believe in "excess" and I also don't believe in "artificiality". There is really something quite "scary" about this whole concept..... But I AM a believer in "natural" processes of Life Iam a radical in my OWN way. But I am also a Believer in the process of Patience. Not quite Bungi - stuff... Perhaps...... Contact me off-group if you want to know more. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK You wrote: In a message dated 98-01-17 21:08:44 EST, you write: > I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian > to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! > Elizabeth, Are you saying that people from the US are all FAT and that no UKn's are? Sorry for the off glass but we seem to be getting that way right now anyway. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 18:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:47:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.1336.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Lyn. . . I'm looking for unique giftsfor wedding attendants,too. Right now I haven't a clue. . .I'd be interested in knowing if you have any? Good luck, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 18:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.12293.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115933.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something > unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of > something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate > that idea too. Thanks. > > Lyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how about napkin rings (with lead free solder). or maybe a pocket mirror, with their name in script on the back (either sandblasted, or sandwiched). small jewelry boxes, say 2x3". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 19:02:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:01:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:02:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.15214.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What you need is a VOC (volitile organic compound) filter... Hepa filters clean out particles but do not absorb the flux fumes etc... I use both a VOC filter and one of the Inland Fume traps... The VOC filter ran like $50-60 I think at Sears... I Byron... -----Original Message----- From: MsChatee To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Lead concern >With all the advice about venting the fumes or using fans, I was wondering if >using a room ionizer would help filter the fumes at all. My shop is set up in >the basement, it's a fairly open area but I do not have any fans running at >all. I have 2 ionizers with HEPA filters. Any ideas??? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 19:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:19:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Sandra Willis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.151915.0> References: <<1998Jan19.115620.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk John Keller wrote: > > Lyn, > Hi. What about some votive candle holders? A couple of dif. ideas > **one side a foiled design (maybe in wedding colors?) and the other > sides solid colors or gluechip? **or an initial (the attendant's) in one > side "set" in gluechip? ... I was going to suggest the votive candleholders as well, another variation on the theme is to use bevels and perhaps acid etch a design onto some of the bevel faces. I did that one year for Christmas and acid etched snow flakes into each of the bevels. They came out nice and were easy. Roll your own beeswax candle votives and even better. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 19:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:52:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!bonita3 From: "DsLe Elsd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:52:32 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan20.35232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, Jim, it is Delphi Stained Glass in Lansing, MI. Phone 1-800-248-2048, FAX1-517-482-4028, and www.delphiglass.com -------------------------------- >From: Jim McAdam >Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions > >Is this tape at Delphia, In Lansing Michigan? > >. Here in Cleveland Ohio, scopes, glass and in general don't sell to >well. >Jim > >Linda Campbell wrote: > >> Jim said: > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 19 20:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:24:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sagelink.net!pkelly From: patkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: scanning glass Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:09:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan18.2294.0> References: <<199801191447.IAA03533@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your software should have the ability to save the file into a GIF or a JPG file. Save the file to a directory (like glass or kokomo, etc). When in email find out how to attach a file. Hope this helps. There may be some other possibilities. Try contacting the software manufacturer (Paperport???). len alcamo wrote: > Good Morning Bungi > > Just finished up a major upgrade on the old pc. > > installed 64 mg ram... installed scsi interface and HP scanjet 5p ....and a > ditto backup tape drive > > major project for a techno dummy like me! .....Went pretty well though > > one of the first things I scanned was a piece of opal,.... not bad.... > colors were a little off but I'm sure I can learn to make the adjustments > > now I can send samples to my sister for her long overdue project without > sending glass via snail mail Kewl!!! > > (Here comes the segue) problem is Outlook Express or any other e-mail icon > did not show up on the Paperport desktop link bar and at this point I > can't get a scan into e-mail as attachment. > > I know this is a little off topic but I would appreciate advise form someone > familiar with this software. > > Thanks > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 01:42:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:41:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.14480.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980119154024.006c1fec@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What are "pressed metal flourishes"? Jerri Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:40:26 -0500 glasschic writes: >At 11:59 AM 1/19/98 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> >>I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something >>unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of >>something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate >>that idea too. Thanks. > >A nice stained glass picture frame with the picture of the wedding >party >might be nice. When they are tired of the wedding party they can put >their >own picture inside it. I have made very nice ones with pressed metal >flourishs soldered to the corners. Very simple to do and they look >fantastic! > >Garden of Glass >Joyce Moran >Ohio > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 03:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:13:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:14:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.221425.0> References: <<1998Jan20.35232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk Thanks.......since everyone seems to think so highly of it I shall order it. Jim DsLe Elsd wrote: > Yes, Jim, it is Delphi Stained Glass in Lansing, MI. > Phone 1-800-248-2048, FAX1-517-482-4028, and www.delphiglass.com > > -------------------------------- > >From: Jim McAdam > >Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions > > > >Is this tape at Delphia, In Lansing Michigan? > > > >. Here in Cleveland Ohio, scopes, glass and in general don't sell to > >well. > >Jim > > > >Linda Campbell wrote: > > > >> Jim said: > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 04:56:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:55:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:04:05 -0600 Message-ID: <199801201253.GAA15691@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Sean Lally To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Gifts >Speaking of gifts and photographs I had an idea (don't know how good it >is though...): Has anyone ever taken a photograph and done a three or >four color seperation of it and made silk screens of each color to silk >screen a sheet of glass with the appropriate color of ground glass >suspended in a medium which would then be fired and the process repeated >for each color to reproduce a color photo on glass? There was/is an outfit out of new yawk called Glassmasters that I believe screened and fired glass medallion designs that looked hand painted although I have no idea about their medium or process. I think ground glass would loose its color, look at the stuff from your grinder not much color.... maybe kugel rod would work if ground up I may be entirely wrong.... I'm just speculating today for the fun of it :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 04:59:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:59:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980120075906.006c3e6c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:38 PM 1/19/98 +0000, you wrote: >I have had great luck finding glass nuggets at generic craft stores, >the kinds that have lots of baskets, silk flowers and vases. They >are about $1 per bag and available in lots of colors. I think they >use them mostly to hold long stemmed flowers upright in the vases. >They also usually have a large selection of glass marbles. I too have found them at these sources....but when examining them closely, I find lots of "wrinkles" and bubbles and imperfections in them that I don't usually want in my "perfect" stained glass creations! So when buying them be sure to inspect them and know what you are getting. Cheap price isn't always the best! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 05:13:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:13:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:12:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980120071206.007aab80@mail.tznet.com> References: <<3.0.32.19980119154024.006c1fec@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sure, very doable. Use painting glass enamels mixed with a medium, but you will have to fire each layer, so as to not mess up previous screening. Better to screen onto decal paper. Let each color dry, using a registration system to lay on the 2nd and third color, dry, cover with a cover coat. That by the way, is the way the colored decals you purchase are produced. Then you can simply apply the decal onto the glass and fire just once. Much faster that way. That's why decals were designed and invented in the first place. Take a look at your Grandmothers china dishes. Of course this is a very simplified explaination, as there are many pitfalls involved. Such as matching the co-efficient of expansion to match the glass you are using. Also, the firing temperatures of the glass and the enamels. Last year I developed a set of Carefree Luster Decals and this year I am working on more, but with complex designs and in several colors. Hopefully I can work out the patterns and technicalities by next summer. Pat At 02:04 PM 1/19/98 -0800, you wrote: >Speaking of gifts and photographs I had an idea (don't know how good it >is though...): Has anyone ever taken a photograph and done a three or >four color seperation of it and made silk screens of each color to silk >screen a sheet of glass with the appropriate color of ground glass >suspended in a medium which would then be fired and the process repeated >for each color to reproduce a color photo on glass? > >If not can anyone imagine that it would be doable? I don't have a kiln >so have no experience with this sort of thing. Thanks. > >Sean >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 05:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:20:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.32220.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim Wrote: Is this tape at Delphia, In Lansing Michigan? Yes. I bevel the mirror's to create angles, such as 32x32x70 degree's. =20 Mr. Doak bevels the edges of his mirrors to get a closer fit and cleaner = image with no dhips marks or dust. Check out his tape for the homemade = tools he uses. By tapering do you mean 1.37 in at one end and 1.87 at the other? Because I believe = I tried that once and I don't remember getting 3-d effects. That's the general idea but I not real sure of what dimensions work = best. That's one of the things that Doak has perfected. Funny, but I = haven't seen much about the tapered mirrors in my kaleidoscope books. But I'm always open to any suggestions. I've done scopes for 5 years and = glass for 30. Here in Cleveland Ohio, scopes, glass and in general = don't sell to well. Pity, around here folks pick them up and "ooh" and "ahh" but only a few = are willing to spend the bucks.=20 Good luck with your pitch and angle. You know it is possible to check = out the effects of the angles by using relatively wide (3" x 8") mirrors = and taping them at various overlaps to simulate the tapered mirrors and = cut your front surface mirror to a size that gives yu a pleasing pattern = and 3-d image. I'd use regular mirror for this test cause your are gonna = rub the edges together and chip them. Linda Jim Linda Campbell wrote: > Jim said: > > I have made several scopes. But I too, am most intrested in how to =3D > develpoe > a 3 -d effect. I have always been told it is in thew morrors and there > placement to degree's and pitch. > Can you be of help? > Jim > > The 3-d effect is created by using tapered mirrors with the small ends = =3D > at the object end and the large end at the eye piece end. Delphi, and = =3D > maybe others sell a wonderful video called something like "Master =3D > Kaleidoscopes - Series I" (I hope there will be more). A fellow named = =3D > Doak, A biker free spirit type who make beautiful black irridized = scopes =3D > shares his secrets. This first tape is all about mirrors. The tape =3D > starts out a bit slow with him sharing his workshop and home made = tools. =3D > But once he gets rolling you will sit spellbound because he truly is a = =3D > master. It's well worth the price of the tape since you will want to = =3D > watch it over and over. I recommend it to anyone, not just scope = makers =3D > because he has some techniques for cutting long straight cuts that are = =3D > so simple but we just don't think of them. Oh, he also gives you a = look =3D > down the mirrors to see what they do after he cuts them. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:07:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:06:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Question about Hanging Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:14:09 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Maybe the Zink could extend to the metal door frame? More than just *to the frame, I'm sure you mean, but *into the frame, right Mike? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:07:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980120090730.006be01c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:48 PM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >What are "pressed metal flourishes"? > >Jerri I have gotten them at Walmart, but usually order directly from the manufacturer. They are little pieces of brass that are shaped into patterns for corners and such. They come in hearts or bows...or anchors...or horses...whatever you could think of...Makes the stained glass look a little antique..and they can be tinned and patinaed also. The company that makes them is called Creative Beginnings I believe. If you need more info email me privately. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:13:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:11:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:18:59 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > There was/is an outfit out of new yawk called Glassmasters that I believe > screened and fired glass medallion designs that looked hand painted > although I have no idea about their medium or process. Glassmasters was sold to the Franklin Mint. The processes used were the traditional techniques. The original idea on this thread was kind of interesting, but color photographs produced from color separations are based in four very definite colors: cyan, magenta, yellow and black. The chance that any of those colors "reproduced" in glass frit or enamel would even get close to the colors required to create the impression of a color photograph is pretty remote ... but the result might nonetheless be interesting. To answer the other question -- have photographic images ever successfully been silkscreened onto glass? -- yes, they have. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:21:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: exmail.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: "McLaughlin, J. COL DENTAC" To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.42014.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Sorry if this is redundant info, but I have a bizillion messages to read yet and this answer may be in one of them. 3-D images - if you use tapered mirrors, the image appears on the outside of a sphere. I usually taper the mirrors about 1 - 2 degrees ( sides are at 88-89 degrees). The greater the degree of taper, the more of the sphere you will see without looking to the sides. If you have the objects to be viewed very far from the opening, they will appear in little "wells" or depressions in the sphere. Look thru the bigger end. I make most of mine with 1.5 and 2 in. wide mirrors(at the bottom) and usually 8 - 9 in. long; always use front surface mirror and cut on my Morton system. If you want to experiment (with tapers, number of mirrors, angles, etc) without spending a fortune for front surface mirror, get some mirrored tiles at the hardware store and tape the mirrors together with electrical tape. Certainly a decreased quality image, but you can work out the bugs before you cut the expensive mirror. Hope the comments were not too cryptic. John ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question about Hanging Panel Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:21:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.22114.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk > More than just *to the frame, I'm sure you mean, but *into the frame, > right Mike? > > Albert Thanks Albert, That of course would depend on how the door was made, On some glass & alluminum doors this would not be possible, but yes, it would by far be best to extend the frame into the frame for the most support, and safest instillation. Better yet, why not suggest that she hang it in a window. Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:36:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:33:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.1334.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980120075906.006c3e6c@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Go to your local retailer and ask for Dragon tears nuggets...Support your local retailer. Walter glasschic wrote: > At 02:38 PM 1/19/98 +0000, you wrote: > >I have had great luck finding glass nuggets at generic craft stores, > >the kinds that have lots of baskets, silk flowers and vases. They > >are about $1 per bag and available in lots of colors. I think they > >use them mostly to hold long stemmed flowers upright in the vases. > >They also usually have a large selection of glass marbles. > > I too have found them at these sources....but when examining them closely, > I find lots of "wrinkles" and bubbles and imperfections in them that I > don't usually want in my "perfect" stained glass creations! So when buying > them be sure to inspect them and know what you are getting. Cheap price > isn't always the best! > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 06:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:57:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.ne.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 06:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199801201456.JAA16373@chmls05.mediaone.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis alewis@vgernet.net on 20/1/98 01:18 said: >The original idea on this thread was kind of interesting, but color >photographs produced from color separations are based in four very >definite colors: cyan, magenta, yellow and black. The chance that any >of those colors "reproduced" in glass frit or enamel would even get >close to the colors required to create the impression of a color >photograph is pretty remote ... but the result might nonetheless be >interesting. Thanks for the answer, Albert. More speculation here; I wonder if a computer could be given arbitrary colors (say the colors of the glass that I have) and some how make a seperation based on those colors instead of the standard ones as long as they were still 120 degrees apart on a color chart? Sheer speculation.... ;^) Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 07:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:04:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:02:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.5254.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sean Lally wrote: > > Speaking of gifts and photographs I had an idea (don't know how good it > is though...): Has anyone ever taken a photograph and done a three or > four color seperation of it and made silk screens of each color to silk > screen a sheet of glass with the appropriate color of ground glass > suspended in a medium which would then be fired and the process repeated > for each color to reproduce a color photo on glass? > > If not can anyone imagine that it would be doable? I don't have a kiln > so have no experience with this sort of thing. Thanks. > > Sean > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass though i've never done it, the paints-inks, would have to be super color sensative and probably transparent. it would also need to be placed on the glass with surgical prescission. otherwise the colors would be overlapping in all the wrong places, and the whole thing could be passed off as an M-TV ad... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 07:10:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:10:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:10:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.91035.0> References: <<1998Jan19.14480.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk jerri m Roey wrote: > What are "pressed metal flourishes"? > > Good morning, Yes, I second that question....sounds interesting! Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 07:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:30:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.ne.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 07:29:59 -0800 Message-ID: <199801201529.KAA24257@chmls05.mediaone.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk len alcamo alcamoz@mwt.net on 20/1/98 05:04 said: >I think ground glass would loose its color, look at the stuff from your >grinder not much color.... maybe kugel rod would work if ground up Interesting point. I thought ground glass was used for that sort of thing though...I've still got lots o' learning to do. >I may be entirely wrong.... I'm just speculating today for the fun of it :-) Some of my best times are spent speculating. ;^) Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 07:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:31:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.ne.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 07:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199801201531.KAA24643@chmls05.mediaone.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad morn@nac.net on 20/1/98 07:02 said: >and the whole thing could be passed >off as an M-TV ad... Or an Andy Worhol. ;^) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 07:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199801201548.HAA23918@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk the 3-D effect is created from 4 tapered front surface mirrors. Get the "Lost Planet Kaleidoscope Kit" made by Clarity. And no...I am not nor have I ever been associated in any manner or form with Clarity. Cody "What you see, is not always what is." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 08:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.61230.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The lost Planet Kit uses three (3) mirrors. The body of the scope can be = done with either 3 or 4 sides. You can use 4 mirrors when using tapered = mirrors but personally I don't think the effects are a dazzling, just = like a regular scope - 4 mirrors give too much detail to the object = chamber and not enough illusion. Just my 2 cents tho. Linda ---------- From: GlassGuru@webtv.net[SMTP:GlassGuru@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:48 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions the 3-D effect is created from 4 tapered front surface mirrors. Get the "Lost Planet Kaleidoscope Kit" made by Clarity.=20 And no...I am not nor have I ever been associated in any manner or form with Clarity. Cody "What you see, is not always what is." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 08:49:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: RE: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199801201648.IAA05113@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I stand corrected...3 tapered mirrors. Musta been the keyboard. :-) Cody The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 09:02:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.52045.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 3:38 PM Subject: Lead concern >My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use either 1 or 2 fans >on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be concerned about the air >that I'm breathing? I open the back door to the garage sometimes but >that's all. Should I be doing something else? > >Lyn > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 09:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:08:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: kaleidoscope questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:09:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.4921.0> References: <<199801201648.IAA05113@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk Ok. When I get some time I shall try it. Jim GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > I stand corrected...3 tapered mirrors. Musta been the keyboard. :-) > > Cody > > The "GlassGuru" > The Ralph Nader of Glass > Crusader of truths & commentary. > ".....and a really neat guy!" > See me at: > www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 09:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Support your local retailer. But only if the local retailer doesn't have to "order it for you." Many of them seem to think that they're "owed" sales despite the fact that they won't stock much in the way of supplies. Many of the so-called "wholesale-only" distributors quite regularly sell direct, so check 'em out. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 09:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Thanks for the answer, Albert. More speculation here; I wonder if a > computer could be given arbitrary colors (say the colors of the glass > that I have) and some how make a seperation based on those colors Oh, sure. Standard PMS or any other mix of CMYK or RGB could be separated. That's done all the time. In fact, I do it myself all the time. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 09:22:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:21:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Mid.America Stained Glass Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:17:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan20.171723.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In Response to "WhispyBlu" here's what You asked for: Mid-America Stained Glass 501 Scott Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66105 (913) 281-1414 There was NO e-mail or WEB site for this Co. Regards, MiChea`l McClendon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 10:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:00:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.7048.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It's time for me to enter this discussion. I am not an Industrial Hygienist but I am a retired Heating & Ventilating Engineer and worked mostly with clean rooms (and HEPA filters) Let me say at the outset that the best way to eliminate lead fumes from the work room is to exhaust to the outside (assuming that where you are exhausting would not affect someone else). The fume would be diluted and dispersed when it gets to the outside. HEPA filters are 99.97% efficient in collecting particles at 0.3 microns, which means that only 3 hundreths of one percent would get through (providing the gaskets and sealing are tight). Lead fume however can be smaller than that, even below 0.1 micron which means that the HEPA filtration would not be efficient in collecting the fume product of soldering. Someone suggested something called a volatile organic filter. I must admit ignorance on this device. At the least it is confusing because lead is not an organic. Also, something that costs $50-60 to solve this problem is suspect to begin with. The individual who wrote about using a squirrel cage exhaust fan mounted high and exhausting through an outside wall or window (a panel with an opening to fit the exhaust hose replacing the glass pane) has the best solution. The hose ( I think he used a 4" flexible hose) could be placed at the point of fume generation to do the best job of collection. There are ways to improve the eficiency of that collection by using a simple conical hood but that's another matter. I hope I have added some useful information to this discussion. Be glad to try to answer any questions on the subject. -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 3:38 PM Subject: Lead concern >My stained glass workshop is in my garage and I use either 1 or 2 fans >on me as I'm doing the soldering. Should I be concerned about the air >that I'm breathing? I open the back door to the garage sometimes but >that's all. Should I be doing something else? > >Lyn > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 11:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!bonita3 From: "DsLe Elsd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: "Pressed Metal Flourishes" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:38 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan20.194038.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >jerri m Roey wrote: > >> What are "pressed metal flourishes"? >> > >Good morning, > >Yes, I second that question....sounds interesting! > >Lyn > ____________________ To answer both of the above: These are small pressed metal (copper?) pieces of assorted designs (about35-45 different designs). These are available at most stained glass supply stores (in limited styles). They are also found at most Wall-Mart craft departments, and at most larger craft supply stores. They will be displayed in a special case, about 4' high, with small drawers. Usually a sample of the piece is displayed on the front of each drawer. It has been my experience that the largest selection is found in the craft supply stores, such as Michael's. Sizes I have found are from 1/2 " to 2". They can be tinned and soldered onto your stained glass pieces. I have used many of them over the years on both jewelry boxes and picture frames. Shapes are commonly, floral (lots of different 'corners' for picture frames and Jewelry boxes), ballerinas, baseballs, animals, etc. Hope this helps, Jean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 11:56:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.10012.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980120090730.006be01c@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I think some of us refer them as 'filigree' glasschic wrote: > At 07:48 PM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: > >What are "pressed metal flourishes"? > > > >Jerri > > I have gotten them at Walmart, but usually order directly from the > manufacturer. They are little pieces of brass that are shaped into > patterns for corners and such. They come in hearts or bows...or > anchors...or horses...whatever you could think of...Makes the stained glass > look a little antique..and they can be tinned and patinaed also. The > company that makes them is called Creative Beginnings I believe. If you > need more info email me privately. > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Support your local retailer. But only if the local retailer doesn't have to "order it for you." Many of them seem to think that they're "owed" sales despite the fact that they won't stock much in the way of supplies. Many of the so-called "wholesale-only" distributors quite regularly sell direct, so check 'em out. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:05:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:21:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MMcclen740 From: MMcclen740 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Mid.America Stained Glass Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:17:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan20.171723.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In Response to "WhispyBlu" here's what You asked for: Mid-America Stained Glass 501 Scott Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66105 (913) 281-1414 There was NO e-mail or WEB site for this Co. Regards, MiChea`l McClendon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:06:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Thanks for the answer, Albert. More speculation here; I wonder if a > computer could be given arbitrary colors (say the colors of the glass > that I have) and some how make a seperation based on those colors Oh, sure. Standard PMS or any other mix of CMYK or RGB could be separated. That's done all the time. In fact, I do it myself all the time. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:26:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Gifts Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.10167.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lyn: >I'm looking for ideas for gifts for wedding attendants. Something unique, yet useful, mainly for the bridal attendants. If you know of something for the groom's attendants that would work, I'd appreciate that idea too. Thanks.< Business card holders for both. Various colors & themes. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:47:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: metal flourishes Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980120154650.006ce8ec@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>More info please! These sound really neat. I've made some picture >>frames, and they were really well received. I think they make great >>gifts. What part of Walmart would they be in? The crafts. We have a >>fairly small Walmart, so it's possible it might be something ours doesn't >>carry. Does Creative Beginnings have a catalog, or do you have a phone >>number. >> Yes actually according to the catalog the are called "Brass Charms & Ornaments" and they do sell both retail and wholesale. The number to request a catalog from Creative Beginnings is 1-800-367-1739. These are not the typical filigree that is used for stained glass, but more for jewelry making and home decor. The catalog I have has 46 pages of brass charms and there must be hundreds of styles. Something for everyone! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 12:56:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Howard, Where are You? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.105822.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard,=20 you popped back into our lives and I've gotten used to your witty = comments. Where have you been lately? I have missed you. I hope you are = just too busy or on vacation. I'd hate to think you are bored with us. = Please let us know you are still around. I take the liberty of speaking = for more than myself 'cause I know you are liked and respected. :) Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 13:59:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:58:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.73249.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980120075906.006c3e6c@mail.bright.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've never seen "Dragon tears Nuggets". Are they different from the usual nuggets most glass shops sell? Jerri On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:33:04 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) writes: >Go to your local retailer and ask for Dragon tears nuggets...Support >your local >retailer. >Walter > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 15:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:56:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.125635.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I could be wrong, Len, but I think Glassmasters just silk-screened using regular old Reusche glass paints. If you want ot know more about screen printing, your local t-shirt shop can = show you the basics. Tedius process, ugh! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 15:33:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: "Zane" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:34:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199801202329.SAA25473@uranium.nb.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dragon Tears are a concept using regular nuggets. You place the nuggets on a ball or flower pot, etc., then grout them - sort of a mosaic. I think everybody either loves or hates these - nobody I know is in between. Ask a local retailer if they carry the Dragon Tears book. Zane ---------- > From: jerri m Roey > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: glass nuggets > Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:32 PM > > I've never seen "Dragon tears Nuggets". Are they different from the > usual nuggets most glass shops sell? > > Jerri > > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:33:04 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) > writes: > >Go to your local retailer and ask for Dragon tears nuggets...Support > >your local > >retailer. > >Walter > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 15:36:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: John Powell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kaleidoscopes Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:35:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.11353.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The Kaleidoscope Book by Thom Boswell @19.95 Includes the principles of design for scopes. In this secion they give the different variations that you will get depending on the angle of the "V" mirror configuration, ie: 90 degree - 4 images, 2 point star 60 degree - 6 images, 3 point star 45 degree - 8 images, 4 point star 36 " - 10 " , 5 " 30 " - 12 " , 6 " 25.7 " - 14 " , 7 " 22.5 " - 16 " , 8 " 20 " - 18 " , 9 " 18 " - 20 " , 10 " 16.8 " - 22 " , 11 " 15 " - 24 " , 12 " "Three mirror systems can be arranged in any form of triangle, and produce a continuous field of honeycomb-like patterns, so long as the sum of the three angles equals 180 degrees. Here are three common patterns: 45-45-90; 60-60-60; 30-60-90." Examples of these are shown in the book. There are 11 projects to make. I've made the 2 mirror scope (where the third piece is cut from glass and covered with black felt instead of the third mirror in the "V".) The image is a ball turning on a black background. Kaleidoscope Renaissance by Cozy Baker is an excellent book featuring the different kinds of scopes done by various artists. There is one that is a castle (each turret contains different mirror systems). Looks like something that "Mike" might do. The Brewster Society, 100 Severn Ave, Suite 605, Annapolis, MD 21403 is a kaleido-club for designers, collectors and lovers of kaleidoscopes. Sandy Creations in Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 16:03:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:01:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nh.ultranet.com!stacyf From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:55:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980120185517.00699fac@nh.ultranet.com> References: <<1998Jan20.11353.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have looked at the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what I'm looking for. Thanks, Stacy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 16:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: en.com!jamesmc From: Jim McAdam To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:13:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.111342.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19980120185517.00699fac@nh.ultranet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: James McAdam Studio's Precedence: bulk Can you use the fairies book, and do a little changing around of the design? JIm stacyf@nh.ultranet.com wrote: > Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have looked at > the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what I'm > looking for. > Thanks, > Stacy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 16:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:15:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:16:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.12160.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I misspoke Herb... I just dug out the receipt and it was on sale for $150 (reg 180)... I cant seem to find the booklet at the moment but the filter contains zeolyte(sp?) and charcoal.. If I remember correctly it would filter out formaldahyde,paint thinner and a host of other 'fume' type things...I figgured it couldnt hurt... It seems to clear the air quickly..... Venting outside is probably best tho that way its gone.... Byron... -----Original Message----- From: Herb Adler To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Lead concern >Someone suggested something called a volatile organic filter. I must admit >ignorance on this device. At the least it is confusing because lead is not >an organic. Also, something that costs $50-60 to solve this problem is >suspect to begin with. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 16:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crl.com!slally From: Sean Lally To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:29:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Thanks for the answer, Albert. More speculation here; I wonder if a > > computer could be given arbitrary colors (say the colors of the glass > > that I have) and some how make a seperation based on those colors > > Oh, sure. Standard PMS or any other mix of CMYK or RGB could be > separated. That's done all the time. In fact, I do it myself all the > time. Cool. If you don't mind saying, what program/platform do you do that on? Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 16:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:45:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:15:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan21.01538.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk What precautions do you take as far as venting, breathing devices, etc. when soldering? Is one of the small exhaust fans with built in changable filter enough for the home hobbyist? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 17:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:12:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.15158.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri- I think "dragon's tears"nuggets are just plain ol' globs! They sell them at our local Renaissance festival to the kids for 12 for a buck! I get them whole- sale for $1.60 a pound and there are probably at least 100-200 nuggets per pound (never have counted them so don't know for sure). Nice little mark-up there I'd say! Well, that's marketing for ya! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios (who's been getting all her bungi mail in duplicate the last few days - is it just me?) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 18:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:26:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:26:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan21.2260.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-20 20:30:03 EST, you write: << Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios (who's been getting all her bungi mail in duplicate the last few days - is it just me?) >> No Dani it isn't just you, I also have been getting duplicates lately :). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 18:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:30:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.141818.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for your response, Byron. Activated charcoal will remove many odors and things like "per"fume. Zeolyte is used in water softeners as an ion exchanger. I don't know how it acts in an air stream. It occurs to me that a great deal of the fume resulting from soldering is due to the flux vaporizing. The lead fume is probably much less visible or odorous than that from the flux. It may also be that the smaller lead particles adhere to the vaporizing flux and therefore are more readily caught. I really don't know the mechanism there. I tend to think that the amount of soldering one does would greatly influence the system used. Certainly, in a production shop, where one could be exposed every day, I would opt for a total exhaust system. BTW, the potential danger from not practicing good hygienic practices of washing ones hands after working with lead is also very important. Some glass crafters get tested every 6 months for lead. If you, or anyone, is working in the kind of environment where you are subjected to soldering everyday, that is certainly a wise course of action. -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Lead concern > >I misspoke Herb... I just dug out the receipt and it was on sale for $150 >(reg 180)... I cant seem to find the booklet at the moment but the filter >contains zeolyte(sp?) and charcoal.. If I remember correctly it would filter >out formaldahyde,paint thinner and a host of other 'fume' type things...I >figgured it couldnt hurt... It seems to clear the air quickly..... > >Venting outside is probably best tho that way its gone.... > >Byron... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Herb Adler >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:00 PM >Subject: Re: Lead concern > >>Someone suggested something called a volatile organic filter. I must admit >>ignorance on this device. At the least it is confusing because lead is not >>an organic. Also, something that costs $50-60 to solve this problem is >>suspect to begin with. > >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 18:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:31:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: retailers Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.133028.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Albert...What is wrong with a retailer having to order something for a customer?? Even Wholesale suppliers do not carry every item....Whats the problem??? Thanks Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 18:54:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.172847.0> References: <<1998Jan21.2260.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Dani. . . I'm brand new to bungi and I've received each message four times. I was wondering if this was the norm, but I guess it isn't. What should I do? Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 20:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:07:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:07:13 -0800 Message-ID: <199801210407.UAA07220@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert: Maybe you could clarify the term "owed" sales. The shop where I get my stuff occasionally has to order things and it really doesn't bother me in the least. Even in the wholesale business not every wholesaler stocks every single item made. From the tone of your note it appears that you do not really care for the local retailer but perhaps have something "in common" with a wholesaler?? Guess this is where the road divides us. Cody The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 20 22:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:45:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Creative Beginnings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:45:46 -0800 Message-ID: <199801210639.WAA12749@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk yes, they are made by Creative Beginnings. Their catalog runs $5. Prices at craft stores runs 20 cents and up. most around .45 to $1.00. For more information you might want to check out their site: http://creative-beginnings.com/ You can see a couple samples of their work at the site. Jean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 01:03:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:02:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyageur.ca!ace From: ace To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: bungi mail Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:38:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.103831.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk would like to be added to your list. thanks Ken ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 01:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:16:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:56:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan20.16565.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk not Glass patterns but excellent wizard/fantasy images that you can interpret into glass http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/JJF/johnceltic.html http://www.draconian.com/links/ http://www.gandolf.com/graphics/tolkien/index.shtml Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com [SMTP:stacyf@nh.ultranet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 6:55 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wizards or New Age patterns Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? 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"" &``````# ````````1@`````X MA0```0````$`````````'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<``%^M ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 02:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:51:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:55:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Oh, sure. Standard PMS or any other mix of CMYK or RGB could be > > separated. That's done all the time. In fact, I do it myself all the > > time. > > Cool. If you don't mind saying, what program/platform do you do that on? Don't mind a'tall ... CorelDraw and PhotoShop both do it. So does QuarkXPress and so do many other DTP programs. They have to, because they're used to produce artwork for printing. If you're going to publish a work in color, it has to be separated. If you're using several specific colors (that don't make up a 4-color photo), you have to separate those, too, so the printer can make a plate for each color. Platform? PC, of course. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 02:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:51:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:55:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Maybe you could clarify the term "owed" sales. > The shop where I get my stuff occasionally has to order things and it > really doesn't bother me in the least. "Occasionally" is the key word. Sure, no one stocks everything and not everything in stock will always be in stock, but many stained glass retailers seem to just resent the heck out of the fact that people are resourceful and will hunt down other suppliers, especially those who will sell at a lower price (the wholesalers). The tone of some retailers' plaint is that their customers should always remain their customers, that their customers should never "grow" to become as resourceful as they themselves have been, and that their suppliers should "protect" them in every instance. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 06:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:32:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Beginnings Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.42848.0> References: <<199801210639.WAA12749@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, And thanks for the below info. I have been looking for exactly this type of small brass pieces. Thanks Again, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Back to lurking now-------------- Jean wrote: > > yes, they are made by Creative Beginnings. Their catalog runs $5. Prices > at craft stores runs 20 cents and up. most around .45 to $1.00. For more > information you might want to check out their site: > > http://creative-beginnings.com/ > > You can see a couple samples of their work at the site. > > Jean > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 06:54:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:51:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.ne.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 06:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: <199801211451.JAA00820@chmls05.mediaone.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis alewis@vgernet.net on 20/1/98 21:55 said: >PhotoShop both do it Ah, I have PS on my mac and knew it would do CMYK and RGB, but didn't know I could get it to seperate using three arbitrary colors supplied by the user. I'll start digging, thanks. Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 06:55:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:53:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:53:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199801211453.GAA25760@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert: What you say may have some truth to it but, I would imagine that that even you might be a little miffed if you had spent countless hours building a customer base and then lo and behold a customer of yours suddenly decides to "shop" elsewhere. And, I'm not quite sure where you get your information at as to "the tone of some retailers". I've seen very few (if any at all) responses from "retailers" to this list in regards to losing customers. Please...enlighten me. Cody "Although there may be a light at the end of the tunnel, it's who is holding the light that concerns me." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 07:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:08:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.281.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... Albert...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, selling and helping their customers...???????The Group I know will bend over backwards to help someone ..more likely the people you refer to are not true retailers or either they are out of bussiness... What a closed mind you have... once again you opened your big mouth and inserted both FEET.. Once again I will say Support your local Retailer and he will support you.. Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 08:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:16:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!cutler From: "robert s. cutler" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:27:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan19.112731.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >From Cutler I probably shouldn't inject myself into this discussion but I feel moved to respond to the venting outside solution "because it's gone" Of course it isn't really "gone" it's just outside - in the yard where the kids play maybe? Or in the air the neighbors breathe probably? I know we are more concerned than that about the larger environment so I don't want to over react to this. I'm more interested to know if there are ways we can reduce the impact of our toxins on the larger environment - filters screens traps whatever that might help lower the accumulation outside?????? Is the indoor fume trap device the best solution???? Any other suggestions? At 06:16 PM 1/20/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I misspoke Herb... I just dug out the receipt and it was on sale for $150 >(reg 180)... I cant seem to find the booklet at the moment but the filter >contains zeolyte(sp?) and charcoal.. If I remember correctly it would filter >out formaldahyde,paint thinner and a host of other 'fume' type things...I >figgured it couldnt hurt... It seems to clear the air quickly..... > >Venting outside is probably best tho that way its gone.... > >Byron... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Herb Adler >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:00 PM >Subject: Re: Lead concern > >>Someone suggested something called a volatile organic filter. I must admit >>ignorance on this device. At the least it is confusing because lead is not >>an organic. Also, something that costs $50-60 to solve this problem is >>suspect to begin with. > >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 08:21:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:18:23 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage > shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace > wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... Ah, but you and I don't disagree, Walter. What you say is true. At the same time, many hobbyists and weekend crafters begin to become serious and *do start businesses. At that point, their former retailers should be as supportive of that change as possible, at the same time trying to find ways they can continue to supply as much as they can of what that new businessperson needs. That's not always the case. > Albert...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, selling > and helping their customers...???????The Group I know will bend over > backwards to help someone ..more likely the people you refer to are not > true retailers or either they are out of bussiness... I know a few. We all know a few. It's only them that I was speaking of ... and you're right again: they'll eventually be out of business if they maintain that attitude. > What a closed mind you have... once again you opened your big mouth and > inserted both FEET. Hmm. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 08:21:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:18:23 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > What you say may have some truth to it but, I would imagine that that > even you might be a little miffed if you had spent countless hours > building a customer base and then lo and behold a customer of yours > suddenly decides to "shop" elsewhere. Ah, but Cody: this is America, where all are welcome to succeed or fail on their merits. If the present-day hobbyist who decides to become a professional studio ... or even a retailer ... is not allowed to do so, either by his/her local retailer or by "industry" fiat, then the current retailers, studios, manufacturers and distributors have no right doing what they're presently doing either, since 25 years ago none (or nearly none) of them existed. We'd be left with Kokomo and Blenko glass, not much in the way of tools and supplies, etc., and certainly no retail outlets. Just because all of that is now in place doesn't mean that it always has been in place. It hasn't. As for anyone being "miffed" that a former customer is now or wants to become a competitor, welcome to capitalism. Once again, it's the American way. Or are you saying that there's some cutoff point after which nobody else may choose to open a studio or retail outlet? If so, who decides that and what's the cutoff? > And, I'm not quite sure where you get your information at as to "the > tone of some retailers". Well, for one I read this list. Certainly comments to that effect have been made and not too long ago, either. > I've seen very few (if any at all) responses from "retailers" to this > list in regards to losing customers. It's the few I mentioned to begin with and, of course, most comments on the subject have been from crafters who have been appalled at the treatment they've been given by "retailers." Other than that, I guess my comments come from being associated with the glass world since 1968 and having heard this song many a time in the past. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 08:51:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:46:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <199801211646.IAA13255@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert: Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is beyond me. However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called insightful comments. The road that divides us continues to get even wider. Cody The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 08:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:52:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:59:17 -0600 Message-ID: <199801211646.KAA21481@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Boatwright, Walter To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:24 AM Subject: Albert >ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage >shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace >wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... Len here' Apparently you have a very narrow view of what constitutes a "real business". If by "real business" you mean retail then I personally resent that comment since my "fake business" .....independent designer fabricator working from a studio on my property did not meet your criteria. If by "real business" you mean that you have to charge inflated prices in order to cover substantial overhead for just the right location in the mall or on the right street, then I guess my "fake business" that allowed me to deduct 20% off my income taxes for a home based business does not meet your criteria either. If by "real business" you mean being one step ahead of your students in teaching the latest trendy project and ofcourse selling them the associated supplies, then I guess my "fake business" of selling architectural stained glass commissions doesn't fly either. So all that said I guess that green paper with the numbers on it that I got from my "fake business" is really monopoly money .....funny thing though, the bank always added it to my account balance. ...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, Why should they? nobody said they were dumb...... make a quick phone call and score a 50-100% markup You have to remember we are not out here to pay your bills and if I can put a dollar in my pocket instead of yours then I'm going to do it. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 09:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:46:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980121114612.007d5a80@glasstreasures.com> References: <<199801211646.IAA13255@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Okay, okay, do we REALLY need to start the personal attacks again? Albert is merely giving his personal opinion about STORES, whereas you are giving your personal opinion about HIS CHARACTER, which is unnecessary and I believe unwelcome by most people on this group. Steph ~ At 08:45 AM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >Albert: >Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is >beyond me. >However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" >is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called >insightful comments. >The road that divides us continues to get even wider. > >Cody ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX mailto:sgt@glasstreasures.com NEW pictures in the Gallery! http://glasstreasures.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 10:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:50:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:48:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.54849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Gifts >Hi Lyn. . . >I'm looking for unique giftsfor wedding attendants,too. Right now I >haven't a clue. . .I'd be interested in knowing if you have any? > Good luck, > Nadine > > >here is an idea we ran across by accident. We make stained glass lanterns. seems we made a batch in the colors a local bride was using. she & her attendants carried the lit lanterns down the asile while the church lights were dimmed. was a hit & we have other brides wanting to do the same thing. good luck Paul >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:05:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:03:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: special orders Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 13:55:32 EST Message-ID: <980121.140206.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199801211453.GAA25760@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My local supplier will order anything for me, if she can identify it... special glass, spiders, brass corners...etc. I, for my part, try to pick up and pay promptly. Now I think I support her very well, but I don't buy exclusively from her, and she knows that, too. For I too am running a (very small) business and I have to get the best price I can, and it isn't always with her. (Last year I kept buying up all her nightlight clips...it was a good nightlight year!) Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.92034.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it....granted I can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local place... Besides having to wait....I hate the attitude I get going there....(I've been told maybe I should change the way I dress)....the way I dress shouldn't have anything to do with the money I spend and where... no where else has a problem with me spending my money in there stores..(how I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the nice voice on phone.... -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:19 AM Subject: Re: glass nuggets > >> What you say may have some truth to it but, I would imagine that that >> even you might be a little miffed if you had spent countless hours >> building a customer base and then lo and behold a customer of yours >> suddenly decides to "shop" elsewhere. > >Ah, but Cody: this is America, where all are welcome to succeed or >fail on their merits. If the present-day hobbyist who decides to >become a professional studio ... or even a retailer ... is not >allowed to do so, either by his/her local retailer or by "industry" >fiat, then the current retailers, studios, manufacturers and >distributors have no right doing what they're presently doing >either, since 25 years ago none (or nearly none) of them existed. >We'd be left with Kokomo and Blenko glass, not much in the way of >tools and supplies, etc., and certainly no retail outlets. Just >because all of that is now in place doesn't mean that it always has >been in place. It hasn't. > >As for anyone being "miffed" that a former customer is now or wants >to become a competitor, welcome to capitalism. Once again, it's the >American way. Or are you saying that there's some cutoff point after >which nobody else may choose to open a studio or retail outlet? >If so, who decides that and what's the cutoff? > >> And, I'm not quite sure where you get your information at as to "the >> tone of some retailers". > >Well, for one I read this list. Certainly comments to that effect >have been made and not too long ago, either. > >> I've seen very few (if any at all) responses from "retailers" to this >> list in regards to losing customers. > >It's the few I mentioned to begin with and, of course, most comments >on the subject have been from crafters who have been appalled at the >treatment they've been given by "retailers." Other than that, I >guess my comments come from being associated with the glass world >since 1968 and having heard this song many a time in the past. > >Albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:28:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: "Boatwright, Walter" , Glass list Subject: retailers Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 11:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199801211927.LAA03468@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have maintained a re-sale business for the last 15+ years. I specialize in lamps only and related items (bases, opal glass, vase caps, risers, harps, forms, hardware and equipment to do glass work) and try to keep enough items in stock to sell from full shelves, and because I am in a rural area, most people are content to "wait" for shipping of items not in stock. Earlier posts of mine had a flavor of my not going out of my way to assist people who have bought from the "quasi" wholesalers and discount catalogers and to this attitude I have remained true. A supplier/shop/ instructor has opened a small shop about 18 miles from (bought the business from someone else) and a few of my "people" have been there. This is fine with me. We all have different techniques and skills, however if a student has purchased all the stuff from there, return to there for assistance and warranty work as well. Do not burden me with problems accquired elsewhere. In large cities with many shops, (and many people as well) one needs to compete and or be skilled enough to maintain their clients. Some people will ALWAYS shop for the lowest price and cheapest items, do you need to cater to their whims. I still remember most of my students, their projects and glass they have bought. Early on in my classes I point out that is not a "cheap" hobby and it is very labor intensive as well (lamps). Spend money on good glass, good equipment, and cut no corners on your work. My students' work reflects on my ability to teach them. enough for now.............H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:35:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:40:19 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >here is an idea we ran across by accident. We make stained glass lanterns. > seems we made a batch in the colors a local bride was using. she & her > attendants carried the lit lanterns down the asile while the church lights > were dimmed. was a hit & we have other brides wanting to do the same thing. > > good luck > Paul, Would you be willing to share a picture or pattern? Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:39:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.93848.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >From Cody "Please...enlighten me." Um, Cody, we very recently had a thread from the retailers about customers wasting their time. Charles Warner posted an excellent response. Should all be in the archives. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios (who doesn't think anyone owes her a living, but = does appreciate getting paid when a job is completed. Have to COLLECT today and I hate being a snit - ugh!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.93840.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Walter, that was not a very nice thing to say to Albert. And I think it should be the other way around: The retailer should support his customers first, and thus earn the customers' loyalty - Not they support you and maybe you'll do a good job for them! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:42:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:46:43 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Deidra Smalldridge" > I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment > I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. > I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail > order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it....granted I > can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local > retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local > place... > Besides having to wait....I hate the attitude I get going there....(I've > been told maybe I should change the way I dress)....the way I dress > shouldn't have anything to do with the money I spend and where... > no where else has a problem with me spending my money in there stores..(how > I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting > my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the > nice voice on phone.... This retailer is obviously giving you an engraved invitation *with bumps* to shop somewhere else. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:49:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.95037.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you have a scanner..just scan in your glass...you can use them in your design program to see how it will look..before you cut the glass!! -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Gifts.....screened and fired > >> Thanks for the answer, Albert. More speculation here; I wonder if a >> computer could be given arbitrary colors (say the colors of the glass >> that I have) and some how make a seperation based on those colors > >Oh, sure. Standard PMS or any other mix of CMYK or RGB could be >separated. That's done all the time. In fact, I do it myself all the >time. > >A > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:51:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 11:51:32 -0500 Message-ID: <199801211951.LAA07943@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I for one would not qualify as a retailer if all the criteria were applied without allowing for vagaries. I work out of my home/shop....use the school system for teaching classes and supply galleries with a finished product. I am comfortable with how SOME wholesalers conduct their business. But I also know I have no control over them either. I do not deal with a few of the " Catalog Sellers" on this list, although I may still have an account with them. My wholesalers are fairly careful about selling to the "wise" shoppers who have gone around the stores to find the suppliers. I RATTED out a student who is sharp and got to one of my wholesalers....We agreed to set a minimum first purchase to qualify her....She winced and decided it was easier to pick at me than spend big $$$$$$ for an inventory. MINIMUMS...........Do any of you buy 48 to 96 small bases at a time for price and have them set with pull chains and 6.5" harps? If a qualified buyer buys 6 and gets the same price as I do for 48....... that aint good. If there is a sliding schedule I feel that is fair. Solder, minimum 50# at a time for price, sure....1# wholesale should cost more! Also, I can "broker" stuff from my wholesalers direct to any of you for far less than most discounted prices. Premise is not to have to touch anything other than your check and put in a minimum of time doing it. ANYONE interested in new grinders for $62.00? So far I have refrained from lowballing the discounters but I can, should I desire to do so. enjoy, H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 11:57:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:38:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.93833.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Len- 50-100% mark-up. Len, be serious! We have a retailer here in town who regularly charges = 400-500% on glass - I know, I buy it wholesale and my students buy from them. Until recently, they were the only game in town. I'm so delighted that they now have = competition, I'm ready to start a collection for the new store so they can expand sooner! Thanks be for free enterprise. By the way, no one = is going to get rich on a 100% mark-up- that's very modest and I don't begrudge anyone that. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:12:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.101453.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Along this line, between the two shops in my area that I frequent, one = has limited inventory, does beautiful work and is always on a commission = project but is always willing to be friendly and talk glass. The other = usually has everything on hand but is somehow put out by the = interruption of a customer. Prices are about equal. Guess where I go? I = support the one who not only has time for her work but also to learn = more about mine so she can carry more of what it is that I want in her = limited inventory. (Not all shop keepers have the wherewithall to carry = huge inventories. She's always willing to tell me what she has on order = and what is new coming out. MY 2cents LInda ---------- From: Michael J. Greer[SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:38 PM To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: Albert Walter, that was not a very nice thing to say to Albert. And I think it should be the other way around: The retailer should support his customers first, and thus earn the customers' loyalty - Not they support you and maybe you'll do a good job for them! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:22:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!warnerc From: "Warner-Crivellaro" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Removal Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.10217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD2680.326E4A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please remove me from your list....... 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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD2680.326E4A00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:25:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: clocks Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:23:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.72338.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I found a supplier near our studio that sells clock movements that are battery operated but have actual mechanical gong rods for the chime. the movements can also be fitted with a pendulum. I love chimimg clocks but hate the fake electronic chimes so am excited about this find. I was wondering if anyone knew of any patters for a table clock design or a wall clock that would have a design that would have good acostics making full use of the chime tones . Also thanks to all who gave me ideas for the black glass (or vitrolite) tiles. thakks Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <9801218854.AA885414488@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As a new person to this, I would like to add my two cents. I sincerely agree that the customer should come first! It doesn't seem to matter where I go these days that it is a me first attitude with the sale/customer reps. They give the impression that they don't have to give you the time of day, let alone help you. Today, you are competing for customers and business especially now more than ever with the internet availability. Treat your customers as you would want to be treated!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Albert From: at internet-mail Date: 1/21/98 2:38 PM Walter, that was not a very nice thing to say to Albert. And I think it should be the other way around: The retailer should support his customers first, and thus earn the customers' loyalty - Not they support you and maybe you'll do a good job for them! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:35:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:46:34 -0600 Message-ID: <199801212032.OAA14571@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >My wholesalers are fairly careful about selling to the "wise" shoppers who >have gone around the stores to find the suppliers. I RATTED out a student >who is sharp and got to one of my wholesalers....We agreed to set a minimum >first purchase to qualify her....She winced and decided it was easier to >pick at me than spend big $$$$$$ for an inventory. There is a word for that kind of activity Howard..........its called collusion Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 13:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199801211951.LAA07943@mail1.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I for one would not qualify as a retailer if all the criteria were applied > without allowing for vagaries. > > I work out of my home/shop....use the school system for teaching classes and > supply galleries with a finished product. > > I am comfortable with how SOME wholesalers conduct their business. But I > also know I have no control over them either. I do not deal with a few of > the " Catalog Sellers" on this list, although I may still have an account > with them. > > My wholesalers are fairly careful about selling to the "wise" shoppers who > have gone around the stores to find the suppliers. I RATTED out a student > who is sharp and got to one of my wholesalers....We agreed to set a minimum > first purchase to qualify her....She winced and decided it was easier to > pick at me than spend big $$$$$$ for an inventory. > > > MINIMUMS...........Do any of you buy 48 to 96 small bases at a time for > price and have them set with pull chains and 6.5" harps? > If a qualified buyer buys 6 and gets the same price as I do for 48....... > that aint good. If there is a sliding schedule I feel that is fair. > > Solder, minimum 50# at a time for price, sure....1# wholesale should cost > more! > > Also, I can "broker" stuff from my wholesalers direct to any of you for far > less than most discounted prices. Premise is not to have to touch anything > other than your check and put in a minimum of time doing it. > > ANYONE interested in new grinders for $62.00? > > So far I have refrained from lowballing the discounters but I can, should I > desire to do so. whilst i can sympathize with you about someone who uses you for your knowledge but doesn't care to pay you back by patronizing your 'store', and you are quite allowed to lowball anyone you want, colluding with another seller of a product to eliminate competition is actionable, at least in arizona. depending upon local laws, racketeering charges may also apply. you really should hope the inspector general of your state doesn't get interested in hearing the above statement. i believe treble damages comes to mind... perhaps it would be better if you just refused to do business with people you don't want to do business with rather than actively break laws in order not to do so. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 12:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:54:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: additional charges for all internet users Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:53:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.55336.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk It has been brought to my attention that local telephone companies have filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. I think the internet has been one of the greatest communication and educational tools created in the last 25 years. Don't let them take this away from us too. The FCC has created an e-mail box for your comments. Responses must be received by Feb. 13, 1998. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. Every phone company is focused on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in just under the wire for preventing litigation. Let everyone you know hear about this one. Get the FCC e-mail address to everyone you can think of who appreciates the present status we enjoy. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:06:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: additional charges for all internet users Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 14:06:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jan21.55336.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk "Dianne G. Maddison" wrote: > It has been brought to my attention that local telephone companies have > filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your > internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the > operation of the telephone network. > I think the internet has been one of the greatest communication and > educational tools created in the last 25 years. Don't let them take > this away from us too. > The FCC has created an e-mail box for your comments. Responses must be > received by Feb. 13, 1998. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell > them what you think. > Every phone company is focused on this one, and they are trying to sneak > it in just under the wire for preventing litigation. Let everyone you > know hear about this one. Get the FCC e-mail address to everyone you > can think of who appreciates the present status we enjoy. > Dianne > ---- actually, the above isn't completely accurate. in the telecom-digest internet mailing list, here is what was said about it: -------------------------------------------- "Bell-Atlantic has gone to court asking the Court of Appeals to overturn the decision of a lower court giving (what Bell Atlantic called) a 'free ride' to ISPs regarding carrier access/network fees, etc. They went to court in St. Louis to get this matter heard. They are asking the court to force ISPs to 'pay their fair share' based on their volume of traffic over local telco lines. This is a separate and distinct matter not connected with the 'modem tax' proposals we are always hearing about. This is something Bell-Atlantic has cooking on its own. The rationale given in the telephone news report was that BA has spent an enormous amount of money upgrading its s equipment just to keep up with the fast-moving pace of the Internet and its users. They say they need the money since the ISPs s have 'forced them to upgrade.'" -------------------------------------------- there isn't, at the current time, a plan on everyone paying this directly. first, it is only bell-atlantic, and second, it is a charge to the ISP. however, we all know that a) if BA gets the ruling stricken, then it will be taken up by all the other rboc's, and b) if an ISP gets a charge, it will be passed down as a rate increase in some manner. i'm not sure what attention, if any, the fcc will pay to comments by anyone who isn't an ISP. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:09:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: clocks Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 16:05:53 -0500 Message-ID: <9801218854.AA885416952@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please let me know of any clock patterns. Our local shop has one on the counter that is beautiful, but it was her own design using a couple of different patterns. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: clocks From: at internet-mail Date: 1/21/98 3:23 PM I found a supplier near our studio that sells clock movements that are battery operated but have actual mechanical gong rods for the chime. the movements can also be fitted with a pendulum. I love chimimg clocks but hate the fake electronic chimes so am excited about this find. I was wondering if anyone knew of any patters for a table clock design or a wall clock that would have a design that would have good acostics making full use of the chime tones . Also thanks to all who gave me ideas for the black glass (or vitrolite) tiles. thakks Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:20:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:19:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.11184.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Also wasn't this posting originally about this person's complaints that wholesalers qualify their customers as this person sold to his students at school, cutting out the retailer- thereby being guilty of the same thing he accusses the wholesalers of? - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Date: January 21, 1998 4:00 PM Subject: Re: retailing > >> >>My wholesalers are fairly careful about selling to the "wise" shoppers who >>have gone around the stores to find the suppliers. I RATTED out a student >>who is sharp and got to one of my wholesalers....We agreed to set a minimum >>first purchase to qualify her....She winced and decided it was easier to >>pick at me than spend big $$$$$$ for an inventory. > >There is a word for that kind of activity Howard..........its called >collusion > > >Len > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:36:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.112516.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My 2 cents As for me, I wish there were a retailer less than 45 minutes away that I could kick around (or buy from). Unfortunately, the retailers that were closer, have failed. I have bought from these retailers just because I wanted them to stay in business but apparently not enough others thought to do the same. Some were poor business people; another had a poor location and when they moved to a higher priced location, they couldn't pay the rent. It's a tough business and if the commissions (and maybe classes) aren't there, the retail business probably won't be enough. No one is going to change human behavior and if they can save a buck, they will go to where it is best for them. There's really no sense to this debate; one can be upset about the way it is but that's not going to change anything. 'nuff said. Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:38:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:36:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: clocks Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.112933.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As for the acoustics, if you're satisfied with the sound, I would recommend that you leave openings in the "box" to let the sound escape. -----Original Message----- From: Wallace, Paul To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:25 PM Subject: clocks > I found a supplier near our studio that sells clock movements that are >battery operated but have actual mechanical gong rods for the chime. the >movements can also be fitted with a pendulum. I love chimimg clocks but >hate the fake electronic chimes so am excited about this find. I was >wondering if anyone knew of any patters for a table clock design or a wall >clock that would have a design that would have good acostics making full use >of the chime tones . Also thanks to all who gave me ideas for the black >glass (or vitrolite) tiles. thakks > > >Paul > >Bumblebee Stained Glass >Caldwell, Ohio > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:50:12 -0600 Message-ID: <199801212136.PAA20920@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >50-100% mark-up. Len, be >serious! We have a retailer here >in town who regularly charges = >400-500% on glass - OOPS! that was a typo......meant to say 500-1000% ;-) Before TSHTF on this thread which it very well might since I've provoked a few folks already I'm sure I just want it to be clear that the main reason the I follow and post to bungi is to encourage and help those glass people who are on the verge of, or have moved into the area of design and commission work (leaded preferred) . I can only speak from my own experience when it comes to the practices of retailers and other levels of distribution of glass and glass products. In my opinion the business does far too little to support folks who wish to work at that level. The biz is geared to pushing product not to fostering art and I have no problem with that..... but on the other hand if I can help budding glass artists find a way through the maze then I'm ready.... I do glass for fun only now..... so I can be as idealistic as I want :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: FCC note from Spicer Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.64223.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Thanks for setting me straight on the misconception of the additional charges on the internet. I received e-mail that was to "all internet users" so I assumed that it was an across the board additional charge that we all had to worry about. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:44:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: additional charges for all internet users Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199801212136.QAA07334@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Check this out : http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/0115/271314.html Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian, and it is all organised by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the cooks British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it is all being organised by the Italians. ---------- > From: Dianne G. Maddison > To: bungi > Subject: additional charges for all internet users > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:53 PM > > It has been brought to my attention that local telephone companies have > filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your > internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the > operation of the telephone network. > I think the internet has been one of the greatest communication and > educational tools created in the last 25 years. Don't let them take > this away from us too. > The FCC has created an e-mail box for your comments. Responses must be > received by Feb. 13, 1998. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell > them what you think. > Every phone company is focused on this one, and they are trying to sneak > it in just under the wire for preventing litigation. Let everyone you > know hear about this one. Get the FCC e-mail address to everyone you > can think of who appreciates the present status we enjoy. > Dianne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:49:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: clocks Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:51:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.215135.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 15:23 21/01/98 -0800, yPaul wrote: > I was >wondering if anyone knew of any patters for a table clock design or a wall >clock that would have a design that would have good acostics making full use >of the chime tones . Paul, have you seen the two Wardell books with clock patterns? Wall Decorations and Clock Gallery. Lots of designs to choose from in both. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 13:57:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:55:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retailers (was Glass Nuggets) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:55:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.95532.0> References: <<199801211453.GAA25760@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > > What you say may have some truth to it but, I would imagine that that > even you might be a little miffed if you had spent countless hours > building a customer base and then lo and behold a customer of yours > suddenly decides to "shop" elsewhere. As they say in these here parts..."WELCOME TO 'MERCA!" Although this note was directed at Albert, I would like to comment. I completely agree, Mr. G., that "building a customer base" requires a great deal of time and patience....but that base must be nurtured if you wish it to survive. Are you angry with your old customers for chosing to shop elsewhere? If so, could this energy be better used by examining what practices you might change to win those customers back or keep more from leaving? Might be time to learn a new song or dance. ;) Maybe I look at this in a different light, but the only "loyalty" my customers owe me are the profits from the purchase they made from me TODAY. If they don't return, it's time to rethink my business practices....well stocked?, prices competitive?, coffee fresh?, information well-founded and honest?, did they have a good time and leave giggling?, thank-you or birthday card time? Sadly and with few exceptions, all of us are guilty of taking our patronage from the small shops that offered wonderful, individual service. Evidence of this is virtually everywhere you see a huge franchise storefront. McDonalds would have gone bust had we continued to eat at Big Daddy's Burger Palace. When I grow up, I'm gonna to be the Greeter at the online Walmart! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:10:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:06:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gifts Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:59:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.85943.0> References: <<1998Jan21.54849.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Thanks, Paul. . . That sounds like a really neat idea. This wedding is mid-afternoon, but I'll keep the lanterns in mind for another party. Have a good one! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:08:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!bonita3 From: "DsLe Elsd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:08:15 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan21.22815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > >No one is going to change human behavior and if they can save a buck, they >will go to where it is best for them. There's really no sense to this >debate; one can be upset about the way it is but that's not going to change >anything. >'nuff said. >Herb in Orlando > Amen, Herb, Amen! BJ, in California ------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > project but is always willing to be friendly and talk glass. The other = > usually has everything on hand but is somehow put out by the = > interruption of a customer. Ah, thanks for your 2c, Linda. Well said. Sometimes stained glass retailers, even though who once were craftspeople themselves, forget that people work with glass because they love it. I think a few retailers have been so ground down by or caught up in the business aspects of running a business that they've no time for sheer enthusiasm. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:21:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. Sorry, Cory, you're not noticing that I'm talking about *some *few retailers (see Deidra's post), not the idea of retailing or retailers as a class. Obviously, retail stores are needed, it's just that retailers themselves aren't always perfect (well, neither am I). > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth shut about the whole concept, right? I don't know whether my comments are insightful. They're mine, for what that's worth, and that means they're as valuable as anyone else's opinions, even yours. If that means there's a road between us (?) then dialog is even more important in order for us to bridge the gap, right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment > I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. > I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail > order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it.... Absolutely, Deidra. That attitude is too widespread, although I also don't think that most retailers feel/act that way. But one is too many. Obviously, those retailers who adopt that attitude, sneer at their customers and then cry when the customers order from other companies whose focus is service (whatta concept!) deserve to fail in business: they're digging their own graves. > can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local > retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local > place... It's the American way, Deidra ... you just go ahead and order from the people who treat you well, stand behind their products and keep their personal observations to themselves. It's all right to feel the way you do ... you don't have to have a retail business and nobody's telling you you have to (except maybe the retailers who you already aren't giving any more business to). > I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting > my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the > nice voice on phone.... Sounds to me like you dress okay. Be yourself ... let those guys (it is guys, right?) twist slowly in the wind while you get what you need from the suppliers who're supportive and businesslike. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If a qualified buyer buys 6 and gets the same price as I do for 48....... > that aint good. If there is a sliding schedule I feel that is fair. Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use the stuff? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead concern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I probably shouldn't inject myself into this discussion but I feel moved to > respond to the venting outside solution "because it's gone" Of course it > isn't really "gone" it's just outside - in the yard where the kids play > maybe? Or in the air the neighbors breathe probably? I know we are more > concerned than that about the larger environment so I don't want to over > react to this. Very thoughtful input, thanks. Of course, just because the toxins are now outside doesn't mean they've disappeared. Good for you for thinking about pets, kids, and the neighbors. Hope they appreciate that. Of course, if you use filters to trap the toxins, those filters'll have to go *somewhere ... the dump? Into the ground water? One of the best studios I know not only requires their people to change into coveralls -- studio uniforms supplied by the studio -- but to have a "studio" pair of shoes. At the end of the day, the employees change back into their "civvies," the uniforms are sent to the cleaners, and *no *lead goes home to join the rest of the families' clothes in the wash. They have installed *serious! overhead venting systems for unzipping and soldering. All safety precautions are required, MSDSs are kept up to date, they've appointed one of the staff as safety director (he has to keep all the paperwork up, etc. If they have a question about anything regarding workplace safety, they call OSHA. They're on a first-name basis with the inspector, who recognizes that they're doing their durndest to be the best neighbor and citizen they can be. You won't be reading about them having been cited for safety violations, because like you they've recognized that there are hazards in what they do and they've taken steps and continue to take steps to meet their obligation to their employees, to themselves and to their community. I'm not saying that every hobbyist needs to go to that extent, but everyone should be as thoughtful as you, as far-seeing and as careful ... if even one-millionth of one percent reduction in exposure of oneself, one's family, one's neighbors, one's town, one's earth is achieved, it's worth it, IMHO. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:25:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:26:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.92659.0> References: <<199801211646.IAA13255@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > = > Albert: > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients= " > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. > The road that divides us continues to get even wider. > = > Cody > = > The "GlassGuru" > The Ralph Nader of Glass > Crusader of truths & commentary. > ".....and a really neat guy!" > See me at: > www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru > ---- I feel compelled to interject my .07 or .08=A2 worth regarding this this subject of supportive retailers... I was treated well enough as long as I was not in direct competition with my local retailer for commissions; however, when I became a direct-selling commission studio our relationship changed before I knew it. I was insulted in front of their walk-in customers on at least 2 occassions while looking at glass to purchase, and then I was asked point-blank to lie about their business practices with other local studios and retailers to a customer in front of 6 or 7 other consumers from out-of-state. My experience I'm quite sure is NOT the norm nationally or anything, yet it has been validated by other glass business owners in this area who have also experienced poor and insulting treatment at the hands of these same folks. I am now persuaded that I would far prefer to drive almost 2 hours away to Chesapeake, VA when permissable or wait to order from my suppliers than to spend any more of my time or money in their establishment again under any circumstances. Ciao... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.125140.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk . Be yourself ... let those guys (it >is guys, right?) .....it's women....I think if it was guys, I wouldn't have a problem -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Retail > >> I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment >> I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. >> I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail >> order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it.... > >Absolutely, Deidra. That attitude is too widespread, although I also >don't think that most retailers feel/act that way. But one is too many. >Obviously, those retailers who adopt that attitude, sneer at their >customers and then cry when the customers order from other companies >whose focus is service (whatta concept!) deserve to fail in business: >they're digging their own graves. > >> can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local >> retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local >> place... > >It's the American way, Deidra ... you just go ahead and order from >the people who treat you well, stand behind their products and keep >their personal observations to themselves. It's all right to feel the >way you do ... you don't have to have a retail business and nobody's >telling you you have to (except maybe the retailers who you already >aren't giving any more business to). > >> I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting >> my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the >> nice voice on phone.... > >Sounds to me like you dress okay. Be yourself ... let those guys (it >is guys, right?) twist slowly in the wind while you get what you need >from the suppliers who're supportive and businesslike. > >Albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:56:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:53:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:58:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.11588.0> References: <<1998Jan21.92034.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Dear Deidra, I wish you lived in Pittsburgh, PA. I would love to change your attitude with a visit to our shop. We are so thankful for our customers and would never intentionally treat anyone disrespectfully. We recently gave away over $5,000 in prizes to customers as a way of telling them how much we appreciate them keeping us in business this past year. I'm sorry about your bad experience - hopefully, you will find another retailer who has a better attitude (we are out there) because a good realtionship with a retailer can result in benefits for both parties. Take care, Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 14:56:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:53:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:50:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.115031.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, Sure, people should shop around and get a good price. I'm a retailer and I think that if by the time you factor in the shipping and such if I can't meet the price, then I say go for it. But at the same time, there are two things that I believe it is important to remember: 1. No good glass is bought through the mail that I know of - there were some posts put up by Z on another board and he and Darcy got flamed like I have never seen before. But he was right on one point - glass should be selected by hand because no two sheets are the same except for Spectrum. 2. If you don't shop your local retailer, don't go there expecting service or freebies, either. Otherwise, go with the pocketbook. There will always be people who buy art glass (Uroboros, Bullseye) to make up for those who just want to diddle around and buy cheap glass for making suncatchers, etc. I don't mind helping anyone who comes in but I do resent those who just want advice and the Stained Glass News we hand out free. No hard feelings on this end. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:10:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:06:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:07:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.13734.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I go to every glass shop I can find, when I travel....the next time I head north(for me) I'll contact you.....maybe I could visit your store.. -----Original Message----- From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Retail >Dear Deidra, > >I wish you lived in Pittsburgh, PA. I would love to change your >attitude with a visit to our shop. We are so thankful for our customers >and would never intentionally treat anyone disrespectfully. > >We recently gave away over $5,000 in prizes to customers as a way of >telling them how much we appreciate them keeping us in business this >past year. I'm sorry about your bad experience - hopefully, you will >find another retailer who has a better attitude (we are out there) >because a good realtionship with a retailer can result in benefits for >both parties. > >Take care, > >Zane >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:13:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clocks Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:41:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.104141.0> References: <<1998Jan21.72338.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Wallace, Paul wrote: > > I love chimimg clocks... Me too, me too, Paul. Found a place on the net you might enjoy ('though it offers no glass clock patterns). Their free catalog is terrific...and yes, that's drool on my copy of it. Thanks for reminding me to order a movement so I can start on my "evil mother-in-law's" Christmas gift....don't think the "I didn't get you a gift because I joined a cult that doesn't believe in Christmas" excuse will fly again this year. You can find the site at: http://www.klockit.com/ Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:15:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:15:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801212315.SAA20357@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Len wrote, >I just want it to be clear that the main reason the I follow and post to >bungi is to encourage and help those glass people who are on the verge of, >or have moved into the area of design and commission work (leaded >preferred) >> whelp here I go........ First things first....I think attacks of any type of any kind are just bad karma. Those who find themselves with nothing better to do that jump on every word that is written need to check themselves. I think the chain goes like this.....you as a hobbyist (those who don't claim any deductions or pay any taxes on those items they create and sell.) Buy from a retailer. That retailer has the privilage of selling you items at any price he really wants to. (free enterprise). Now if you want to play the game your gonna have to pay the price. Those who happen to be burdened by the federal government and have to claim every little penny that they make and pay sales tax on it get to have the privilage of paying less for items and not having to pay sales tax for them. . I can only speak from my own experience when it comes to the >practices of retailers and other levels of distribution of glass and glass >products. In my opinion the business does far too little to support folks >who wish to work at that level. The biz is geared to pushing product not to >fostering art and I have no problem with that..... but on the other hand if >I can help budding glass artists find a way through the maze then I'm >ready.... > Pushing products is what most of america does. I push a product but if happens to be my art. >I do glass for fun only now..... so I can be as idealistic as I want :-) > I think we all do glass for fun.......some of us just have to pay to play the game. my best, pj ( who thinks if your gonna play the game you gotta follow the rules.) This also happens to be my personal opinion., ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:36:32 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > . Be yourself ... let those guys (it > >is guys, right?) .....it's women....I think if it was guys, I wouldn't have > a problem Eeyow! Okay, so they're clothes snobs. Almost as bad as the health police, only shallower. You're well rid of 'em. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FCC note from Spicer Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:36:32 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Dianne G. Maddison" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: FCC note from Spicer > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:23 -0800 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Organization: The Ivory Express > I received e-mail that was to "all internet > users" so I assumed that it was an across the board additional charge > that we all had to worry about. Nah, that was just clever spam. See how worked up millyuns and millyuns of people can get at the prospect of having to pay more for what they already are getting for almost nothing. Those two kids are probably still snickering at the thought of the ripples, waves and tidal bores of panic they set off. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:41:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:40:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:47:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane, I'm glad there are no hard feelings, because I've said what I've said not to cause problems or to just bad-mouth anyone "in glass" to make money. First of all, I'm not a bad-mouthing kinda guy (ask my mom) and secondly, if any business isn't making money, it's not going to be in business very long. Sure, glass should be selected by hand, but one of the joys I knew when I was a potter was the surprise and pleasure at opening the kiln and finding some unexpected effects. So perhaps ordering a mixed case and seeing what's inna box when it arrives is an approach that could be taken. On the other hand, of course, if you're ordering glass to match a repair job or to continue on something that's not yet complete, you want to see the glass ... perhaps. I don't actually know any serious studios that hand-pick their glass. It would mean going to the factory or wholesaler more often than would make sense financially. Often, I think they send a sample and rely on the pickers there to come up with a match. I'll have to confess that I don't *know the answer to this one, but I know who I can ask. As for those who don't shop locally, but still expect the retailer to give them service and/or freebies, I'd just refer you to the other notes posted here this evening. Any warm body that passes the lintel of your door should be treated as though they are your best customer (within reason), simply because they went to the effort to actually *drive! *to *your *shop! and *get *outta *the *car! Even if they were heels (your opinion) in the past, you now have an opportunity to turn them into friends and loyal customers. Bearing a grudge would be counter-productive, IMHO. Heat up the coffee! No, make fresh! Buy donuts. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:42:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:25:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:26:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.92659.0> References: <<199801211646.IAA13255@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > = > Albert: > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients= " > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. > The road that divides us continues to get even wider. > = > Cody > = > The "GlassGuru" > The Ralph Nader of Glass > Crusader of truths & commentary. > ".....and a really neat guy!" > See me at: > www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru > ---- I feel compelled to interject my .07 or .08=A2 worth regarding this this subject of supportive retailers... I was treated well enough as long as I was not in direct competition with my local retailer for commissions; however, when I became a direct-selling commission studio our relationship changed before I knew it. I was insulted in front of their walk-in customers on at least 2 occassions while looking at glass to purchase, and then I was asked point-blank to lie about their business practices with other local studios and retailers to a customer in front of 6 or 7 other consumers from out-of-state. My experience I'm quite sure is NOT the norm nationally or anything, yet it has been validated by other glass business owners in this area who have also experienced poor and insulting treatment at the hands of these same folks. I am now persuaded that I would far prefer to drive almost 2 hours away to Chesapeake, VA when permissable or wait to order from my suppliers than to spend any more of my time or money in their establishment again under any circumstances. Ciao... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:31:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > There is a word for that kind of activity Howard..........its called > collusion What's it called when it's "industry" practice? Now, to open another can o' worms: has anyone ever considered the complexion of the stained glass "industry"? Ever thought about that? Albert, with a stick, poking at the nest. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 15:58:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:34:05 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan21.23345.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 17:24:11 EST, you write: << Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use the stuff? Albert >> ------------------------------------------------> Yes, what about someone like that? Sorry, Albert but you have hit one of my buttons. I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my property) I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL prices for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very little for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer offers only a 10% discount. Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope you are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts obstacles in the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I would,if the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a year than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I cut back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who will sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to others who are in my position. But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:05:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Before TSHTF on this thread which it very well might since I've provoked a > few folks already I'm sure Aw, I'm sorry I stirred up a hornet's nest, Len. At least I think I'm the one at fault here. Didn't mean to, except that any criticism of retailers seems to bring out a very defensive tone, so perhaps there's something to it. > I do glass for fun only now..... so I can be as idealistic as I want :-) I for one am glad you're having fun. That's what it's all about: "life is short and art is long." Nuthin' in there about business. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:21:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: additional charges for all internet users Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Check this out : > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/0115/271314.html Thanks, Daniela ... there's nothing like a few *facts to lay a rumor to rest. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:25:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing.....pokeing a stick into the industry Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:12:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.01225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 18:56:32 EST, you write: << > There is a word for that kind of activity Howard..........its called > collusion What's it called when it's "industry" practice? Now, to open another can o' worms: has anyone ever considered the complexion of the stained glass "industry"? Ever thought about that? Albert, with a stick, poking at the nest. >> hello again.....and hello Albert Yes i have thought about that a lot lately. especially when i saw a home shopping show (QVC) featureing "Tiffany Inspired" SG lamps. It was stated over and over that the glass and foil were made in the US, for a total US product. The prices for these 12 and 14 in. dome lamps....$79-89......suggested that they were not fabricated in the US. Youghiogeny sells the bulk of their glass to an export market, as I am sure other glassmakers are doing as well. In fact, one retailer I know has complained that the better glass is reserved for the overseas market. That is just one aspect I have thought about. Since you opened this thread, Albert, its your turn! What musings on the stained glass "industry" would you like to share with us? Ive already commented on how retailers fail to support glass artists who sell their work, by extending more favorable prices. I'd like to continue that discussion. Also, lets talk about glass supply storefronts that compete with their customers by selling fabricated work in the store windows and over the internet. They also make the same product as the artists who buy from them, but their cost is so low that they can and do undercut the very people who buy from them. Dont know if I've said this well, but you get the idea. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:31:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: additional charges for all internet users Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > It has been brought to my attention that local telephone companies have > filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your > internet service. Old news, it turns out, and untrue. "... the E-mail message circulating around the Net refers, erroneously, to last year's proposed measure. An FCC employee said that all the facts stated in the E-mail were correct besides the date, and that the original sender might have mistakenly changed the date from last year to this year. " Notice the charitable use of "might have mistakenly changed." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:35:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Internet phone charges -Reply from FCC Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.0358.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The following is the reply I received from the FCC when I wrote about the internet charges. Don't bother to contact them. The Feb deadline is about another matter. Elsie >From: ISP >Sender: Postmaster@fcc.gov >Reply-To: ISP@fcc.gov >Errors-To: Postmaster@fcc.gov >To: ElsieTurqman@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Internet phone charges -Reply >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 02:46:29 +0000 > >This is an automated response to the message you sent to isp@fcc.gov. We established this mailbox for informal comments about usage of the public switched telephone network by Internet access and information service providers for a proceeding on this matter in 1997. > >If you are responding to a message stating that local phone companies have asked the FCC for permission to impose per-minute charges for Internet access, please be aware that this information is out of date. The FCC decided in May 1997 NOT to allow imposition of interstate access charges on Internet service providers. There is no comment period currently open in this proceeding. > >More information on Access Charges and the ISP proceeding is available at > >Look for more features and announcements on our Web site, , in the future! > >updated 1/6/98 > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead concern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I probably shouldn't inject myself into this discussion but I feel moved to > respond to the venting outside solution "because it's gone" Of course it > isn't really "gone" it's just outside - in the yard where the kids play > maybe? Or in the air the neighbors breathe probably? I know we are more > concerned than that about the larger environment so I don't want to over > react to this. Very thoughtful input, thanks. Of course, just because the toxins are now outside doesn't mean they've disappeared. Good for you for thinking about pets, kids, and the neighbors. Hope they appreciate that. Of course, if you use filters to trap the toxins, those filters'll have to go *somewhere ... the dump? Into the ground water? One of the best studios I know not only requires their people to change into coveralls -- studio uniforms supplied by the studio -- but to have a "studio" pair of shoes. At the end of the day, the employees change back into their "civvies," the uniforms are sent to the cleaners, and *no *lead goes home to join the rest of the families' clothes in the wash. They have installed *serious! overhead venting systems for unzipping and soldering. All safety precautions are required, MSDSs are kept up to date, they've appointed one of the staff as safety director (he has to keep all the paperwork up, etc. If they have a question about anything regarding workplace safety, they call OSHA. They're on a first-name basis with the inspector, who recognizes that they're doing their durndest to be the best neighbor and citizen they can be. You won't be reading about them having been cited for safety violations, because like you they've recognized that there are hazards in what they do and they've taken steps and continue to take steps to meet their obligation to their employees, to themselves and to their community. I'm not saying that every hobbyist needs to go to that extent, but everyone should be as thoughtful as you, as far-seeing and as careful ... if even one-millionth of one percent reduction in exposure of oneself, one's family, one's neighbors, one's town, one's earth is achieved, it's worth it, IMHO. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:41:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:40:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:39:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.83955.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Since when is W/C not a retail Store? They might sell wholesale also, but last time I checked, they sell retail. I beleive that the owner frequents this news group, what does he say? Dave Loda Albert Lewis wrote: > Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell > to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth > shut about the whole concept, right? > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:43:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: On a side note.... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:42:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.124237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In light of the recent "interesting" posts (although I've been viewing it sort of like a tennis match...so far, looks tied) I've been wanting to post a question to the group...I was "nudged" to just jump in and ask. I'm pretty new at glass...have just been doing foil work and leaving it "silver" when it's finished. But....I'm just completing my first piece that I want to finish in copper. I've seen both "antique" looking copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in Sleepy Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:56:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:54:39 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Citronella is very posionous to breath. I wouldn't recommend it. On 15 Jan 98, NCScouter wrote: > Dear Elisabeth, Shirley & Dani, > > whaddya think 'bout trying a citronella candle? It has a sort of > lemony-thing going for it as well as the properties of a candle...and a > smoky one at that! > > Who know this may very change our whole view of flux and fusion forever! > :-) > > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > Roanoke Island NC USA Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:58:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If a qualified buyer buys 6 and gets the same price as I do for 48....... > that aint good. If there is a sliding schedule I feel that is fair. Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use the stuff? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 16:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > project but is always willing to be friendly and talk glass. The other = > usually has everything on hand but is somehow put out by the = > interruption of a customer. Ah, thanks for your 2c, Linda. Well said. Sometimes stained glass retailers, even though who once were craftspeople themselves, forget that people work with glass because they love it. I think a few retailers have been so ground down by or caught up in the business aspects of running a business that they've no time for sheer enthusiasm. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:05:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. Sorry, Cory, you're not noticing that I'm talking about *some *few retailers (see Deidra's post), not the idea of retailing or retailers as a class. Obviously, retail stores are needed, it's just that retailers themselves aren't always perfect (well, neither am I). > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth shut about the whole concept, right? I don't know whether my comments are insightful. They're mine, for what that's worth, and that means they're as valuable as anyone else's opinions, even yours. If that means there's a road between us (?) then dialog is even more important in order for us to bridge the gap, right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:30:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:11:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.121139.0> References: <<1998Jan21.92659.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Sorry to created such a debate...We have not lost any customers to so call wholesalers or discount mail order houses...as a matter of fact we have gain two customers this week that did mail orders...We try to treat all fair...We want to stay in bussiness like anyone else ...But don't put all of us in the same pit...Yes there are some that don't care about the customers...I think this debate has gotten out of hand and will not continue.. As said before we will help our customers in any way...we are very thankfuf for their frindship and accts....sorry for all the comments.... Hope you all have a nice day.. Walter NCScouter wrote: > GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > > = > > > Albert: > > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > > beyond me. > > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients= > " > > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > > insightful comments. > > The road that divides us continues to get even wider. > > = > > > Cody > > = > > > The "GlassGuru" > > The Ralph Nader of Glass > > Crusader of truths & commentary. > > ".....and a really neat guy!" > > See me at: > > www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru > > ---- > > I feel compelled to interject my .07 or .08=A2 worth regarding this this > subject of supportive retailers... I was treated well enough as long as > I was not in direct competition with my local retailer for commissions; > however, when I became a direct-selling commission studio our > relationship changed before I knew it. I was insulted in front of their > walk-in customers on at least 2 occassions while looking at glass to > purchase, and then I was asked point-blank to lie about their business > practices with other local studios and retailers to a customer in front > of 6 or 7 other consumers from out-of-state. My experience I'm quite > sure is NOT the norm nationally or anything, yet it has been validated > by other glass business owners in this area who have also experienced > poor and insulting treatment at the hands of these same folks. > > I am now persuaded that I would far prefer to drive almost 2 hours away > to Chesapeake, VA when permissable or wait to order from my suppliers > than to spend any more of my time or money in their establishment again > under any circumstances. > > Ciao... > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., NC USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:32:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.151548.0> References: <<1998Jan21.115031.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane wrote: > > 1. No good glass is bought through the mail that I know of - > there were some posts put up by Z on another board and he and > Darcy got flamed like I have never seen before. But he was > right on one point - glass should be selected by hand because no > two sheets are the same except for Spectrum. Just a note to let you know that . . . . It is our policy at Warner-Crivellaro Stained Glass and has ALWAYS BEEN OUR POLICY to only send out the VERY BEST GLASS to customers who are not here to select it themselves. If we are down to the last scraggly looking sheets that are not really representative of the color and/or texture, it is marked out-of-stock!!! We receive, on the average, about 8-10 letters a week complimenting the glass that someone has just received. We want the customer to order again and again, so shipping out the junk would be totally self-defeating. We also urge customers to tell us what to look for when selecting their sheets, so that if someone wants the grain straight or swirly or if they want a sheet that is on the dark or light side of the color -- ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SAY SO. Not to flame you, Zane, but Warner-Crivellaro is not a robot run company. We are caring, concerned, serious business people who love the stained glass business and do whatever it takes to make our customers happy and satisfied. Both Charles and myself have been doing glass for almost 30 years EACH and even our phone order takers have explicit instructions to transfer to one of us any phone call with a customer who has a question they might not be able to answer. In addition, we have no less than 8 employees who do stained glass and can help customers in the store! I opened my first stained glass shop almost 25 years ago. Charles also started a stained glass business even before that in another state before we met. He is here at the office by 6:30 every morning and most of our days are 12 hours plus. This is one mail order company that I will not allow you to lump with others. We are not money grubbing parasites living off your hard work, shipping out bad glass, and stealing all your customers and I'm really tired of your tirades on every chat line that imply that is what we do. If you want to see for yourself, you are cordially invited to spend a weekend with us. Sincerely, Marianne Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:32:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:05:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.1538.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 19:44:32 EST, you write: << I've seen both "antique" looking copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. >> the brighter copper finish you are describeing is probably Novocan's Bright Copper patina. Before applying it make sure you have really cleaned the solder lines of all flux remnants by scrubbing it well. Good luck. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:33:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retail Supplier Question ?? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:44:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan21.234454.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 17:58:16 EST, you write: << I'm a retailer and I think that if by the time you factor in the shipping and such if I can't meet the price, then I say go for it. >> Zane, I read your post and your points are very well taken. I have a question for you. As a retailer, what kind of prices do you give to glass artists that are in business selling their work? Do you extend any discounts to them? Do you sell "wholesale" to them? Do you feel that they should pay the same prices as hobbyists? I am curious what you policy and stance is on this. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:38:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:38:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.153716.0> References: <<1998Jan21.124237.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Northernlights wrote: > > In light of the recent "interesting" posts (although I've been viewing > it sort of like a tennis match...so far, looks tied) I've been wanting > to post a question to the group...I was "nudged" to just jump in and > ask. > > I'm pretty new at glass...have just been doing foil work and leaving it > "silver" when it's finished. But....I'm just completing my first piece > that I want to finish in copper. I've seen both "antique" looking > copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there > different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with > the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper > finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. > > Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in Sleepy > Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm > within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass primarily if you patina it and leave it witout polishing it will give a more antique look. or if you add a bit of black in with the copper, you can get a darker finish. for a shiny look you need to polish it. use semichrome or another light polish. when it's done it should look like a new penny. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:40:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:39:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:44:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.144434.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, Okay if I flog this dead horse one more time? The first point I would like to make is that we (Signature Glass) buy every single sheet of Uroboros, Yough, Bullseye, Kokomo, Oceana and any other art glass by hand selecting each and every sheet. We generally pull 25 sheets for each one sheet we select. We do this because we want our customers to have the exact same type of glass for their projects as we would pick for ours. Yes, it is extremely labor intensive, but it makes sense in the end. We don't hand select Spectrum, Armstrong or most Wissmach simply because each sheet looks the same. I agree with your second point about treating everyone as if they were the best customer and taking time to try and change them, but again I think there is a difference when you are on the other side of the counter and can see exactly what we put up with day in and day out. One customer in particular actually brought her lampshade in to try on our lamp bases so she could order her base from WC. Then, she tried to bring the base to us to change the harp for free. How do I know - she told us herself. Yuck. Who wants to put up with freeloaders like that. And, other than actually taking the beginner course here, she has never bought a thing from us but has taken up more than an hour of my time and an hour of my partners time asking questions about soldering irons, grinders, and hand tools. Well, just trying to make the point that there are extreme cases and I think that is what many of the other retailers may be referring to - I would never treat any particular person in a careless way (at least I hope I wouldn't) because I really want our customers to become good at what they are doing and enjoy it as much as I do - who wants customers that do "bad" glass or have a bad attitude? Okay, I'm done. Nice chatting with you. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:43:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: AOL.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Copper patina Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:31:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13133.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 19:44:14 EST, you write: << 'm just completing my first piece that I want to finish in copper. I've seen both "antique" looking copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. >> I also like the bright copper patina. I use Novacan Copper Patina and then use finishing compound (polish) and buff like crazy. I also am looking forward to using the turtle wax that was recommended on the bungi list a few weeks ago. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 17:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:52:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.135212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If I do find a supplier who will >sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as >others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to >others who are in my position. >But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work >through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business >designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. > ~Alison~ Alison... If you will call Lincoln Distributors at 1800-528-1419 they will sell to you if you send your tax permit copy.. They do have a minimum 1st time order of $600 then like $100 thereafter... I had the same problem as you... (still do sort of) I spend $40 a month on a dedicated metro area line and just cant afford the $90 a month for a 'real' business line at the moment... I started off with Lincoln and then gradually have been able to work my way into many of the other even better priced wholesalers.. My average order usually runs $500-1000 at a time so they are happy and I get the prices I need to be able to make a profit.......You will still have to buy in volume if you want the best prices... Most have a sliding scale...When I need a few sheets of glass I always order at least 30 sheets and upwards to a full case to get the right prices... I still cant get in with Ed Hoys tho... They absolutely refuse to sell to me without the business line... I sent them copies of invoices totaling several thousand dollars in a 2 month period and it did no good...Ah well it's THIER loss in my opinion... I know my other suppliers have no problem with my money in thier pockets....I have the tax permit,business checking and pay the state and 'uncle sam' so I would say I'm a 'real' business person... Byron.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:01:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:06:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.14628.0> References: <<1998Jan20.16565.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Glenn, wow! some of these links have tremendous images!!!!!now i just need the time to check them all out and then decide what one(s) i can do justice to. linn Glenn Spicer wrote: > > not Glass patterns but excellent wizard/fantasy images that you can interpret into glass > > http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/JJF/johnceltic.html > > http://www.draconian.com/links/ > > http://www.gandolf.com/graphics/tolkien/index.shtml > > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com [SMTP:stacyf@nh.ultranet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 6:55 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Wizards or New Age patterns > > Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have looked at > the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what I'm > looking for. > Thanks, > Stacy > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:06:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: retailing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:05:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801220205.VAA28966@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Albert wrote, <: has anyone ever considered the complexion of the >stained glass "industry"? Ever thought about that? > >I always though it to be a gold-pink. Maybe a flashed? pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:08:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:08:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:03:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.16311.0> References: <<1998Jan21.124237.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you want a bright copper patina one good one is Super Bright Copper Patina, I'm pretty sure it's from Novacan. Likewise for a shiny look, AVOID Canfield, which we recommend for the antique look. If you want something more versatile you can achieve either finish with the Coppper Sulfate crystals, but you need to use different techniques and probably don't need to complicate your life like that! If things don't come out shiny enough for your needs you can polish it up with Stained Glass finishing compound or car wax, or with metal polish, but with metal polish you need to be careful not to strip the patina off alltogether. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com I've seen both "antique" looking >copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there >different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with >the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" >copper >finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. > >Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in >Sleepy >Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm >within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:10:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:09:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:09:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199801220113.BAA15966@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Len & Shirley, I think you know that I am in total agreement with virtually every single point you are making on this "thread". The experience and response posted on Bungi from OTHER stained Glass (sole) Artists and teachers in UK also testify to this. I DO NOT run a retail operation, I have not got the temperament for it; but I do resent it when I go into a heavily publisized retail operation out-fit here in UK, place orders for myself and about 50 of MY students (at any one time) and then get treated like a total amateur, left hanging on at the sales counter for up to an hour while the Staff is having lunch, or running around like headless chickens, or feeding the parrot, or playing cards, or doing everything else other than serving ME. After all, what is MY time worth - I have only spent 2 hours travelling to GET there!!!! I have another 2 hours BACK!! So what the hell, what is ANOTHER hour or two kicking my heels at the sales counter, with my cheque-book ready. By delaying me hour after hour, are they hoping that in sheer frustration I might just be tempted to buy MORE??? In effect, the arrogance, being treated like an amateur makes me even MORE determined to nurture small retail guys elsewhere. My teaching, my advice, my recommendation, my purchases, my experiences at a retail counter has a considerable amount of "buying power" when it comes down to dollars & cents. (I teach approx 400 - 500 students per ANNUM. , More than half of them come back for more. - At the a b s o l u t e minimum, that's worth 300 glass cutters/ 300 grozier pliers/300 soldering irons/ 300 fids etc etc per ANNUM. Not to mention glass, lead, copper foil, flux, tallow and so on....... I do resent the kind of a "one upman-ship" in trying to sell my students "Beginners Kits" at USD 500 or more, filled with stuff the students in all honesty really don't need. A Weller 75 W simple soldering iron over here should cost approx. 45 USD. Multiply THAT by 300!!!! Neither I nor they (the students) are getting any special discounts. For soldering irons alone, that amounts to an annual budget of USD13,500. Is THAT business to turn away???? There is no way I myself can lay one-off cash or cheque on the table for a whole year. A particular retailer, with a sophisticated computer system knows very well that I go and buy 5-6 grozier pliers virtually every month (as my students put up the money in front) OOver a period of 12 months they are WELL able to calculate just exactly HOW may soldering irons, grozier pliers I buy in total, per year, for the last 5-6-7 years. YET, they refuse to give me or my students any kind of discount because I don't buy in anyony one shopping expedition sufficient number to "qualify" - per visit.. Anyhow, enough said, I have said it before..... I am bored by my own words; I want to be served, I want to be recognized for who I am and what I do, I want a retailer to consider the purchasing power I control, I consider my opinion worth something worth considering from a re-tail point-of-view; I wish for retailer to respect MY time, my money, my students money and my professionalism. If he leaves me there for an hour or so, watching the parrots being fed (.... and I love animals and parrots!!!), without attending to me, then I will go elsewhere. In extreme treatment I will even ensure that I encourage a "budding" retailer to have a chance and compete. If I am NOT given a service from a retail professional that I am looking for, I will not stay loyal - I willnot only take my business elsewhere, but I will do everything in my power to ensure that enough competition is nurtured and brought along to take the arrogant so-and-so down a peg or so. I don't ask for "freebies", but I don't expect to get ripped off either.... I DO know what the cruel world is like..... Climbing down from Soap-Box....... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >50-100% mark-up. Len, be >serious! We have a retailer here >in town who regularly charges = >400-500% on glass - OOPS! that was a typo......meant to say 500-1000% ;-) Before TSHTF on this thread which it very well might since I've provoked a few folks already I'm sure I just want it to be clear that the main reason the I follow and post to bungi is to encourage and help those glass people who are on the verge of, or have moved into the area of design and commission work (leaded preferred) . I can only speak from my own experience when it comes to the practices of retailers and other levels of distribution of glass and glass products. In my opinion the business does far too little to support folks who wish to work at that level. The biz is geared to pushing product not to fostering art and I have no problem with that..... but on the other hand if I can help budding glass artists find a way through the maze then I'm ready.... I do glass for fun only now..... so I can be as idealistic as I want :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:20:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:06:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.262.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 20:34:56 EST, you write: << We are caring, concerned, serious business people who love the stained glass business and do whatever it takes to make our customers happy and satisfied. Both Charles and myself >> I totally agree with you Marianne. Today I received a call from (Tom?, I think-notes left a work) who was very nice and helpful. I sent a piece of glass on Saturday and received a phone call today (Wed.). I appreciated the fact that you did not carry that particular piece of Yough. and appreciated the honesty. He said when I faxed in the rest of my order to note that he had the sample and it would be included in my order. I have NEVER had any complaints with any glass order I have placed with you and have found it to be as good as any piece I have bought at my local retailers. I have saved alot of money using your company, even with S&H, which has allowed me to buy even more glass. The only mild criticism I have ever had was on a couple of occasions I have asked the telephone sales person to check if something was in stock and they didn't appear too pleased with having to take the time to check. I am sure they are asked to do this about a zillion times a day but in both cases I had to know if I was going to get it in that order or if I needed to pursue a different avenue because of a time element situation I was in. I am getting ready to "jump through the hoops" to set up accounts with the wholesalers. I have the retail license, separate building on my premises, business phone, fax machine, business card, yellow pages, etc.................... Now I can begin the application process and see how many hundreds of dollars I need for my initial orders and then how much every year after that. Gee........will I really save that much money through them as oppose to just buying from Warner's? Let me assure you, there will be times I will still have to buy from the local retailers, and from you. All this to establish myself as a custom studio and a "professional". The semi-funny part is that I can still be denied by the wholesale companies. The posts on bungi about how difficult new businesses have it when trying to get started in this business is absolutely true. So Marianne don't let the negative comments bother you, those of us who have had dealings with you in the past and will continue to do business with you know the truth. Those who aren't familiar with you are now going to be looking you up. I am looking forward to getting to Warner-Crivellaro's hopefully sometime this year. Take care!!! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) P.S. Why did Stephanie asked to be removed from bungi? My dealings with her over the past week found her to be extremely helpful. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:21:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:21:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801220221.VAA29842@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane wrote, >The first point I would like to make is that we (Signature Glass) buy >every single sheet of Uroboros, Yough, Bullseye, Kokomo, Oceana and any >other art glass by hand selecting each and every sheet. We generally >pull 25 sheets for each one sheet we select. We do this because we want >our customers to have the exact same type of glass for their projects as >we would pick for ours. Yes, it is extremely labor intensive, but it >makes sense in the end. We don't hand select Spectrum, Armstrong or >most Wissmach simply because each sheet looks the same. Well I must say that you are probably in the minority. Most of the retails store I know just don't have that kind of time to go to their distrubtor. Our studio does hand select all of our speciality glass. And I agree there is not reason to hand select Spectrum etc. > >I agree with your second point about treating everyone as if they were >the best customer and taking time to try and change them, but again I >think there is a difference when you are on the other side of the >counter and can see exactly what we put up with day in and day out. One >customer in particular actually brought her lampshade in to try on our >lamp bases so she could order her base from WC. Then, she tried to >bring the base to us to change the harp for free. How do I know - she >told us herself. Yuck. Who wants to put up with freeloaders like >that>> Well Zane you have to take the good with the bad....if that one customer bad mouths your establishment you could lose a ton of business. Part of the downside of being in the retail business. You take the freeloaders with the honest patrons. And, other than actually taking the beginner course here, she has >never bought a thing from us but has taken up more than an hour of my >time and an hour of my partners time asking questions about soldering >irons, grinders, and hand tools. >> But aren't those things you sell? And didn''t you chose to be in this business? I would say if you only have one of these you are quite lucky. Just imagine.....our studio doesn't sell anything but finished work. And I have people stop in all the time and want me to tell them exactly how and what I do and how we got to be so successful. They want to know what irons we use where we purchase them,, what type of glass where we purchase it. And could we get some for them. We have had probably the whole gamite ....from students to artists who want to open up right down the street. But you give them what they think they want. And they are all happy. For free even. But it is the nature of this business. And we share what we can. And have time for. I never send anyone away. And most of the info seekers aren't buying our work! my best, pj ( who knows that they must clone some people!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead concern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I probably shouldn't inject myself into this discussion but I feel moved to > respond to the venting outside solution "because it's gone" Of course it > isn't really "gone" it's just outside - in the yard where the kids play > maybe? Or in the air the neighbors breathe probably? I know we are more > concerned than that about the larger environment so I don't want to over > react to this. Very thoughtful input, thanks. Of course, just because the toxins are now outside doesn't mean they've disappeared. Good for you for thinking about pets, kids, and the neighbors. Hope they appreciate that. Of course, if you use filters to trap the toxins, those filters'll have to go *somewhere ... the dump? Into the ground water? One of the best studios I know not only requires their people to change into coveralls -- studio uniforms supplied by the studio -- but to have a "studio" pair of shoes. At the end of the day, the employees change back into their "civvies," the uniforms are sent to the cleaners, and *no *lead goes home to join the rest of the families' clothes in the wash. They have installed *serious! overhead venting systems for unzipping and soldering. All safety precautions are required, MSDSs are kept up to date, they've appointed one of the staff as safety director (he has to keep all the paperwork up, etc. If they have a question about anything regarding workplace safety, they call OSHA. They're on a first-name basis with the inspector, who recognizes that they're doing their durndest to be the best neighbor and citizen they can be. You won't be reading about them having been cited for safety violations, because like you they've recognized that there are hazards in what they do and they've taken steps and continue to take steps to meet their obligation to their employees, to themselves and to their community. I'm not saying that every hobbyist needs to go to that extent, but everyone should be as thoughtful as you, as far-seeing and as careful ... if even one-millionth of one percent reduction in exposure of oneself, one's family, one's neighbors, one's town, one's earth is achieved, it's worth it, IMHO. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If a qualified buyer buys 6 and gets the same price as I do for 48....... > that aint good. If there is a sliding schedule I feel that is fair. Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use the stuff? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:44:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:44:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nh.ultranet.com!stacyf From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980121213808.0069d28c@nh.ultranet.com> References: <<1998Jan20.16565.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk thanks for the suggestions! I love them! Stacy At 08:06 PM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Glenn, >wow! some of these links have tremendous images!!!!!now i just need the >time to check them all out and then decide what one(s) i can do justice >to. >linn > >Glenn Spicer wrote: >> >> not Glass patterns but excellent wizard/fantasy images that you can interpret into glass >> >> http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/JJF/johnceltic.html >> >> http://www.draconian.com/links/ >> >> http://www.gandolf.com/graphics/tolkien/index.shtml >> >> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com [SMTP:stacyf@nh.ultranet.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 6:55 PM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Wizards or New Age patterns >> >> Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have looked at >> the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what I'm >> looking for. >> Thanks, >> Stacy >> >> Name: WINMAIL.DAT >> Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) >> Encoding: x-uuencode >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > project but is always willing to be friendly and talk glass. The other = > usually has everything on hand but is somehow put out by the = > interruption of a customer. Ah, thanks for your 2c, Linda. Well said. Sometimes stained glass retailers, even though who once were craftspeople themselves, forget that people work with glass because they love it. I think a few retailers have been so ground down by or caught up in the business aspects of running a business that they've no time for sheer enthusiasm. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:56:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment > I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. > I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail > order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it.... Absolutely, Deidra. That attitude is too widespread, although I also don't think that most retailers feel/act that way. But one is too many. Obviously, those retailers who adopt that attitude, sneer at their customers and then cry when the customers order from other companies whose focus is service (whatta concept!) deserve to fail in business: they're digging their own graves. > can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local > retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local > place... It's the American way, Deidra ... you just go ahead and order from the people who treat you well, stand behind their products and keep their personal observations to themselves. It's all right to feel the way you do ... you don't have to have a retail business and nobody's telling you you have to (except maybe the retailers who you already aren't giving any more business to). > I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting > my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the > nice voice on phone.... Sounds to me like you dress okay. Be yourself ... let those guys (it is guys, right?) twist slowly in the wind while you get what you need from the suppliers who're supportive and businesslike. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 18:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. Sorry, Cory, you're not noticing that I'm talking about *some *few retailers (see Deidra's post), not the idea of retailing or retailers as a class. Obviously, retail stores are needed, it's just that retailers themselves aren't always perfect (well, neither am I). > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth shut about the whole concept, right? I don't know whether my comments are insightful. They're mine, for what that's worth, and that means they're as valuable as anyone else's opinions, even yours. If that means there's a road between us (?) then dialog is even more important in order for us to bridge the gap, right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 19:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:17:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.3179.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have to agree with all of Mariannes comments, they stress the customers' input at every point of the sale. I enjoy the trip to the store and the trip home. I never feel that I have been "shortchanged". Luckily they are only 45-50 minutes away. If I need to order something by mail they want to know just what kind of glass I need. Actually I am very pleased with them. There are stores much closer but I have had such good results with them I wouldn't think of shopping somewhere else at this point. I am a basement breaker....no big sales...no big discounts....just looking for the seller that treats me like a part of the human race..... maureen. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 19:34:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:34:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:36:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.153655.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Albert, There are a lot of pretty good glass artists on this chatroom and .... guess what .... some of us actually sell some retail supplies as well. So, where do you get off making us feel like bastards? This post you made to Walter Boatwright's comment about supporting your local retailer was completely irresponsible. You're the Exec Dir of IGGA, you're supposed to be progating the art, facilitating communciation ..... er I guess that includes drawing lines in the sand, huh? Because you're just creating a riff in a chatroom that has some pretty good people in it. Show a bit more responsibilility in your posts, eh? Walter didn't deserve the crap you threw at him, I think you owe him an apology ....... that's my nickle's worth. Mike Peck Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Support your local retailer. > > But only if the local retailer doesn't have to "order it for you." > Many of them seem to think that they're "owed" sales despite the fact > that they won't stock much in the way of supplies. Many of the > so-called "wholesale-only" distributors quite regularly sell direct, > so check 'em out. > > A > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 19:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:43:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: mindwarp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retail Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.172127.0> References: <<1998Jan21.11588.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane wrote: > > Dear Deidra, > > I wish you lived in Pittsburgh, PA. I would love to change your > attitude with a visit to our shop. > Zane > ---- What's the name of your shop & location? I live in the Baldwin (South Hills). Sandi ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 19:57:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:57:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:57:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Jan21.175718.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I probably shouldn't inject myself into this discussion but I feel moved to > > respond to the venting outside solution "because it's gone" Of course it > > isn't really "gone" it's just outside - in the yard where the kids play > > maybe? Or in the air the neighbors breathe probably? I know we are more > > concerned than that about the larger environment so I don't want to over > > react to this. > > Very thoughtful input, thanks. Of course, just because the toxins are > now outside doesn't mean they've disappeared. Good for you for > thinking about pets, kids, and the neighbors. Hope they appreciate > that. Of course, if you use filters to trap the toxins, those > filters'll have to go *somewhere ... the dump? Into the ground water? A good point, Albert. In a sense it is simply an argument for my point - landfills (ours is located directly over our local water supply!!!) are the same out of sight out of mind solution. And yes, for now, and probably for another century at least,we will dump our poisons there. Unless we take individual responsibility for our own little space we are not going to think very hard about the next dimension of the problem that you so astutely point out here. >SNIP< > > I'm not saying that every hobbyist needs to go to that extent, but > everyone should be as thoughtful as you, as far-seeing and as careful > ... if even one-millionth of one percent reduction in exposure of > oneself, one's family, one's neighbors, one's town, one's earth is Amen, Albert. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:16:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: duplicate posts Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:10:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.41040.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Beginning last weekend I was getting duplicate posts occasionally from bungi. Today I received several posts three (3) times :))). Is the minor problem on my end of the mail (AOL) or bungi's end? Not upset/angry/ irritated, etc.... just a little overwhelmed with the amount of mail. Lu Ann Whispy Blu@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Why you are compelled to lob negative comments about retail stores is > beyond me. Sorry, Cory, you're not noticing that I'm talking about *some *few retailers (see Deidra's post), not the idea of retailing or retailers as a class. Obviously, retail stores are needed, it's just that retailers themselves aren't always perfect (well, neither am I). > However, after viewing your website and seeing who one of your "clients" > is, it is clear as to why you feel you must offer up these so called > insightful comments. Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth shut about the whole concept, right? I don't know whether my comments are insightful. They're mine, for what that's worth, and that means they're as valuable as anyone else's opinions, even yours. If that means there's a road between us (?) then dialog is even more important in order for us to bridge the gap, right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I just want to put my two cents in....I have been appalled at the treatment > I have receive from retailer who think I should wait.. > I loose sales because I have to wait...I got tired of it...I order mail > order and get it in 1/3 of time it takes a retailer to order it.... Absolutely, Deidra. That attitude is too widespread, although I also don't think that most retailers feel/act that way. But one is too many. Obviously, those retailers who adopt that attitude, sneer at their customers and then cry when the customers order from other companies whose focus is service (whatta concept!) deserve to fail in business: they're digging their own graves. > can't start a retail business right now and do shop for glass at the local > retailer....but if it supplies I need mail order works faster than the local > place... It's the American way, Deidra ... you just go ahead and order from the people who treat you well, stand behind their products and keep their personal observations to themselves. It's all right to feel the way you do ... you don't have to have a retail business and nobody's telling you you have to (except maybe the retailers who you already aren't giving any more business to). > I dress....jeans and heavy metal band shirts....I get downed for supporting > my favorite bands) mail order don't care how I dress..all they hear is the > nice voice on phone.... Sounds to me like you dress okay. Be yourself ... let those guys (it is guys, right?) twist slowly in the wind while you get what you need from the suppliers who're supportive and businesslike. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:37:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.183013.0> References: <<1998Jan22.262.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whispy Blu wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-21 20:34:56 EST, you > write: > > << We are caring, > concerned, serious business people who love the > stained glass business > and do whatever it takes to make our customers > happy and satisfied. > Both Charles and myself >> > > I totally agree with you Marianne. Today I > received a call from (Tod, I > think-notes left a work) who was very nice and > helpful. I sent a piece of > glass on Saturday and received a phone call > today (Wed.). I appreciated the > fact that you did not carry that particular > piece of Yough. and appreciated > the honesty. He said when I faxed in the rest > of my order to note that he had > the sample and it would be included in my order. > > We strive to carry Yough's entire line. There are times between orders thatthey have new colors or that we run out of a color but we strive to have all their standard production colors in stock. They also have uncats which are here today-gone tomorrow. > I have NEVER had any complaints with any glass > order I have placed with you > and have found it to be as good as any piece I > have bought at my local > retailers. I have saved alot of money using > your company, even with S&H, > which has allowed me to buy even more glass. > The only mild criticism I have > ever had was on a couple of occasions I have > asked the telephone sales person > to check if something was in stock and they > didn't appear too pleased with > having to take the time to check. I am sure > they are asked to do this about a > zillion times a day but in both cases I had to > know if I was going to get it > in that order or if I needed to pursue a > different avenue because of a time > element situation I was in. Ask away, you wouldn't believe the number of phone calls our phone people take and the pressure they are under. We keep looking for additional people but it is difficult to find them. But ask away-when it is all said and done what we really sell is service. > I am getting ready to "jump through the hoops" > to > set up accounts with the wholesalers. I have > the retail license, separate > building on my premises, business phone, fax > machine, business card, yellow > pages, etc.................... Now I can begin > the application process and > see how many hundreds of dollars I need for my > initial orders and then how > much every year after that. Gee........will I > really save that much money > through them as oppose to just buying from > Warner's? Don't know about that but did you know we have been in the process ofsetting up a separate wholesale division of all items for some months? We've always done wholesale of a lot of items-now we will include staples... maybe even staplers! > Let me assure you, there > will be times I will still have to buy from the > local retailers, and from you. > All this to establish myself as a custom studio > and a "professional". The > semi-funny part is that I can still be denied by > the wholesale companies. The > posts on bungi about how difficult new > businesses have it when trying to get > started in this business is absolutely true. So > Marianne don't let the > negative comments bother you, those of us who > have had dealings with you in > the past and will continue to do business with > you know the truth. Those who > aren't familiar with you are now going to be > looking you up. I am looking > forward to getting to Warner-Crivellaro's > hopefully sometime this year. Take > care!!! Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) P.S. Why > did Stephanie asked to be > removed from bungi? My dealings with her over > the past week found her to be > extremely helpful. She is helpful and buried under paper work. She is the contact person forwholesale. The reason for removal is we are changing our email address, hers will be stephanie@warner-criv.com Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: <199801220446.UAA07751@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert: As a retailer who generally lurks here I feel I must respond and whole heartedly agree with the post from Mike Peck. Sure, there are retailers out there that probably don't do a good enough job. But, there are hundreds more that do a great job. Walter certainly didn't deserve the response you gave him. And you, the Director of the IGGA, should have a little more responsible leadership. Your remark to Walter was not only a slap in the face to the retailers who participate in this chat group but also to those who do not. That's my 3=E7 worth. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 20:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:55:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: not me! Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <199801220225.SAA26637@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Infrequently, I will offer to "send" glass to someone I have attempted to assist in the building of a shade. The glass I pick for myself, is the glass I stock and the glass I will ship, (of course hand-made and usually curious or un-cats). I am not set up to ship, and UPS is a long drive (yeah, I know I can get a shop pick up). I keep a fairly large (relative) inventory of lamp opals and can usually find the right glass for who or whatever shade I desire to build. I still "do" service to my students and enjoy seeing their creations come to life. Still have very little patience to the chiselers and wheelers and dealers and I can generally go one-up should I have to. Used to be a street peddler back "east' and can deal with the best of them. Loved cold selling and breaking down the doors to get a new client. No desire to do so on a steady basis anymore (age, mellowness, apathy, not hungry and at peace...no I aint dead yet, either). Best feeling for me is when the check for the shade CLEARS at the bank! cynicism is guiding my fingers on the keyboard, so.............. enjoy, H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 21:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:00:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199801220500.VAA12076@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert: In one of your earlier response (to Cody?) you state that Warner-Crivellaro is not a retailer. but a wholesaler. What are the requirements to buy from them? None. Thier doors are open to anybody. No qualifying requirements needed. That would suggest that they are indeed a retail store selling at discount prices. All of the wholesalers that I purchase from all require some proof of business and do not just sell to anybody. Just my thoughts. Andrew Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 21:04:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:35:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Internet phone charges -Reply from FCC Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.0358.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The following is the reply I received from the FCC when I wrote about the internet charges. Don't bother to contact them. The Feb deadline is about another matter. Elsie >From: ISP >Sender: Postmaster@fcc.gov >Reply-To: ISP@fcc.gov >Errors-To: Postmaster@fcc.gov >To: ElsieTurqman@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Internet phone charges -Reply >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 02:46:29 +0000 > >This is an automated response to the message you sent to isp@fcc.gov. We established this mailbox for informal comments about usage of the public switched telephone network by Internet access and information service providers for a proceeding on this matter in 1997. > >If you are responding to a message stating that local phone companies have asked the FCC for permission to impose per-minute charges for Internet access, please be aware that this information is out of date. The FCC decided in May 1997 NOT to allow imposition of interstate access charges on Internet service providers. There is no comment period currently open in this proceeding. > >More information on Access Charges and the ISP proceeding is available at > >Look for more features and announcements on our Web site, , in the future! > >updated 1/6/98 > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 21:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:40:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:39:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.83955.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Since when is W/C not a retail Store? They might sell wholesale also, but last time I checked, they sell retail. I beleive that the owner frequents this news group, what does he say? Dave Loda Albert Lewis wrote: > Which one? Warner-Crivellaro? They're not a retailer ... they sell > to retailers, so logically it'd be in my interest to keep my mouth > shut about the whole concept, right? > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 21:31:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: On a side note.... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:42:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.124237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In light of the recent "interesting" posts (although I've been viewing it sort of like a tennis match...so far, looks tied) I've been wanting to post a question to the group...I was "nudged" to just jump in and ask. I'm pretty new at glass...have just been doing foil work and leaving it "silver" when it's finished. But....I'm just completing my first piece that I want to finish in copper. I've seen both "antique" looking copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in Sleepy Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 21:38:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:54:39 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Citronella is very posionous to breath. I wouldn't recommend it. On 15 Jan 98, NCScouter wrote: > Dear Elisabeth, Shirley & Dani, > > whaddya think 'bout trying a citronella candle? It has a sort of > lemony-thing going for it as well as the properties of a candle...and a > smoky one at that! > > Who know this may very change our whole view of flux and fusion forever! > :-) > > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > Roanoke Island NC USA Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 22:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.194840.0> References: <<1998Jan21.281.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert and all, I've shopped a few of the shops like Albert mentioned. Not all were customer friendly. If you don't buy from them all the time it seems as if they prefer you not buy there at all. Hateflu when asking questions even concerning thier own supply of colors available and tried hard to sell me the more expensive glass which would not be useable in my window. Mary in Indiana On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:08:01 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) writes: >ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage >shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace >wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... >Albert...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, selling >and helping their customers...???????The Group I know will bend over >backwards to help someone ..more likely the people you refer to are >not >true retailers or either they are out of bussiness... >What a closed mind you have... once again you opened your big mouth >and >inserted both FEET.. >Once again I will say Support your local Retailer and he will support >you.. >Walter > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 22:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:40:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.n-link.net!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe and Resubscribe Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.183851.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please change my email address from: pkelly@sagelink.net to: pkelly@n-link.com Server Changed Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 22:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:48:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Baendyril From: Baendyril To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: More about copyright..... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:48:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.64832.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I was wondering...How much would you have to alter a pattern to use it as your own? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 23:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:11:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: car wax as a finninshing compound Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:10:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.151041.0> References: <<1998Jan22.13133.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I also am looking > forward to using the turtle wax that was recommended on the bungi list a few > weeks ago. > > Lu Ann I used to use turtle wax, cause it was cheaper. It does not make the solder shin as well as finishing compound and it is a whole heck of alot harder to get out of the grooves caused by the foil. I'll never go back to car wax. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 23:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: help Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:35:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199801220735.XAA14963@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I have been reading some of the things that are being discussed lately and an idea just came to me. There are so many talented people out there who surely know more than I who may be able to help me. I would like to start planning now for making next years christmas gifts. Can anyone tell me where to go to get the "wholesale" prices that I hear mentioned? I don't have a lot of money to spend and may not be able to pay $600 at once. Thanks to anyone in advance. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 21 23:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.194840.0> References: <<1998Jan21.281.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert and all, I've shopped a few of the shops like Albert mentioned. Not all were customer friendly. If you don't buy from them all the time it seems as if they prefer you not buy there at all. Hateflu when asking questions even concerning thier own supply of colors available and tried hard to sell me the more expensive glass which would not be useable in my window. Mary in Indiana On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:08:01 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) writes: >ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage >shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace >wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... >Albert...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, selling >and helping their customers...???????The Group I know will bend over >backwards to help someone ..more likely the people you refer to are >not >true retailers or either they are out of bussiness... >What a closed mind you have... once again you opened your big mouth >and >inserted both FEET.. >Once again I will say Support your local Retailer and he will support >you.. >Walter > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 02:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:36:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate postings Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:35:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.183541.0> References: <<1998Jan21.23345.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to > purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a > resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards > and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a > storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my property) > I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL prices > for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very little > for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all > helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer offers > only a 10% discount. > Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope you > are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts obstacles in > the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. > There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully > profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I would,if > the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a year > than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I cut > back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who will > sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as > others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to > others who are in my position. > But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work > through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business > designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. > ~Alison~ > Me too, Alison. I did 40 craft shows in 1997. I sold over 460 items, that I made myself and carted around, bought props and displays for, learned how to promote and did it alone. I suspect I did not make any but lost money for 1997. My goal was to market and learn how to sell. I did that. Now I would like to make some money. And being able to buy wholesale would be an advantage. I can see where the wholesalers are coming from tho, how do I prove I am a business. He/they only has my word for it. Personlly I think the wholesaler should take the amount of the purchase into consideration. If you are like Howard and buying 96 lamp bases at a time, there is no way that is a hobby. I don't think the hobbist is going to be buying $300+ at a time. As for retailers. What ever happened to the customer is always right? I should think any business, whether it be exclusive sales or occasional sales would be fine. How can you afford to sneer at them? The majority of the population is at poverty level. Of course they are trying to make their money go as far as it can. Of course they are going to buy a stained glass lamp at Fred Meyers for $29.95. They are not educated to the beautiful glasses in the world. And saying it is expensive, shouldn't make it impossible for people, who share the love of stained glass, to be able to afford it. When income is low, people settle for smaller things. That is why the suncatchers were so popular. People couldn,t afford a whole window created by an artist, but they could afford a small suncatcher, that gave that illusion. Have you seen as many Christmas sales, and for so long, as you did 1997? You know, what is mad money anymore? My idea of mad money is buying something in the stained glass store, that I can try to resell for a profit. Times are hard and getting harder. We work harder for our money. We don't have the benefits. Our employers don't have loyalty to us and we really don't have loyalty to them. Why would you ever even think someone is going to pay more money for something they can get cheaper elsewhere? When I know the mark up is high to begin with and then find one store marking it up even more, well it makes me wonder how much more money I would be saving by shoping elsewhere. And when I can buy a product on the other side of the country and add shipping and handling and still pay less for it, of course I am going to buy from them. I don't think it is dog eat dog time, but it certainly is buyer beware. I don't ask much from a retailer. Get off the phone if it is a personal call when I am waiting at the counter. Answer my questions, without making me feel I have to have your permission to buy whatever it is I came in to buy. A smile now and then. And leave me alone when I am looking at glass. I am usually looking for glass for several projects at a time and I don't want to explain each one of them to the clerk. If I am having trouble, or don't know if the product I want is available, then I'll be very verbose on what that project is. And if I ask a question the clerk has been asked 2000 times, don't let on, either verbally or nonverbally that you are sick to death answering this question. I have been to 7 stained glass stores in a 150 radius. Not one of them puts the customer first. They are all making or supplementing their income with stained glass projects. Those projects come first. AS a customer I have always been made to wait. But what choice do these people have. Stained glass is not something you just get up and leave, esp. if the creation is your own idea and you are working the bugs out. I understand this. I try to support all these stores. They each offer something the others don't. When hobbist come up to me at my shows, I tell them of the retailers I know about in their locale. Tell them how to get to the store and the hours they are open if I know it. You retailers that are worried about not getting customers exclusive business might remember, that those customers can generate more business for you. I had a 10-12 year old boy watch me make a small project. He was fascinated and I found my self teaching this young boy what I was doing and why. I could see his grandparents taking pictures as I let him solder a piece. They went on their way and wanted to know if my piece would be finnished by the time they had done the festival. I said sure. They came back a couple of hours later and the project was done. The grandparents said all the boy wanted to do was get back to my booth and watch me. I told them they probably had a budding artist and told them about Mike Savad (this young master artist who started at age 10, if I remember his bio right)and this might be something they would want to support. I told them about the local retailer and how wonderful the store was and what a great teacher and help the owner is. When the show was over I went to that store to stock up on glass only they sell. I asked if the grandparents had brought the boy in. I thought they all lived in the area, but the boy was up visiting from California. His grandparents bought him an entire starter set. And the owner of the store found a retailer close to his home, so he could arrange for classes. I call that sharing the wealth. I know I should probably delete 80% of this, but my buttons have been pushed too. As for Albert, (hope you don't mind Albert, I know you can take care of yourself) he has said before, these are his opinions not IGGA. He has as much right to his opinion as anyone else on this list. And I think the lantern for the wedding procession is a phenomenal idea! Wish I knew someone getting married! And no one said what happens to the lead when it is vented outside. Doesn't it disperse enough and then get rained into the ground over a large enough distance to not be harmful? What happens in the areas where they make lead based paints etc.? Aren't they far larger polluters than stained glass businesses? I mean being a good neighbor is to be applauded, but isn't it a bit of an over kill to worry about what is vented outside, from our simple use. Plus from what I read from the threads, that no real machine/equipment that filters lead totally was mentioned. Did I miss that? I have been getting duplicate postings intermittantly too. I just thought it was my ISP or the fact that I have two programs to get mail with. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Sure, there are retailers out there that probably don't do a good enough > job. But, there are hundreds more that do a great job. Walter certainly > didn't deserve the response you gave him. Andrew, I think you should read my posts more carefully. That's exactly what I said: there are a few bad apples. My comments didn't apply to every retailer at all. > And you, the Director of the IGGA, should have a little more responsible > leadership. Any post signed as ExecDir of IGGA is made while I'm wearing my IGGA hat. All of the comments you've seen are my opinion, to which I'm as much entitled as anyone else, methinks. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Citronella is very posionous to breath. I wouldn't recommend it. I'm not sure that's true, but I'm checking it out with Monona Rossol. I have a feeling it's not true, but will let you know. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > So, where do you get off making us feel like bastards? I obviously wasn't talking about anyone as responsible, kind, caring and thoughtful as you, Mike. In fact, it's obvious to me that you and several other of the retailers who've posted here are members of the majority who love glass and take care of their customers. In fact, I said there were some, a few retailers who treated customers badly and I'm sorry if you think that "some" and "a few" means that I think that of all retailers. Not true. You even quote me ... note the use of "many" -- that's not the same as "all," Mike. Or are you saying that all retail shop owners are perfect princes? The other posts here seem to indicate not. > > Many of them seem to think that they're "owed" sales despite the > > fact that they won't stock much in the way of supplies. Many of > > the so-called "wholesale-only" distributors quite regularly sell > > direct, so check 'em out. > This post you made to Walter Boatwright's comment about supporting your > local retailer was completely irresponsible. You're the Exec Dir of > IGGA, you're supposed to be progating the art, facilitating > communciation ..... er I guess that includes drawing lines in the > sand. Show a bit more responsibilility in your posts, eh? Walter didn't > deserve the crap you threw at him, I think you owe him an apology In the first place (I'll say it again), my posts are my opinion. Any message over my signature as ExecDir of IGGA is an "official" post from IGGA and none of my comments on this have been made that way, Mike. I don't think it's irresponsible to call for excellence, whether from artists and craftspeople working in glass or from retailers/wholesalers/manufacturers who're supplying those artists and craftspeople. I certainly won't apologize for expressing my opinions, Mike. In fact, Walter's already apologized to me and everyone else here, not that it was necessary. I think his opinions (and yours) are as valuable as mine. Free country, free speech, freedom to raise sometimes difficult and controversial questions and all that. Right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to > purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a > resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards > and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a > storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my property) Alison, Personally, I think that many of the hurdles put up by wholesalers are artificial, although once you yourself have gotten wholesale accounts you too might be as "protectionist" as are those who already buy at wholesale. It happens. I don't think it'd be duplicitous or shady for you to find a way to have a "storefront" by finding a cooperative situation: why not see if there's someone with a storefront (a gallery? a frame shop?) who would "rent" space to you without your actually occupying the premises. Your studio's name would go on the storefront; that person would/could take phone calls for you. If it cost you $100/month, they would benefit to the tune of $1200/year ... would the reduction in your costs from paying retail for supplies and materials exceed $1200/year if you could buy at wholesale? Same thing for Yellow Page listing. A business account costs what? $35/month? That's $420/year. A line listing in the Yellow Pages (not a display ad) doesn't cost much. Ask yourself the same question: would the increased expense to you be covered by the resulting reduction in the cost of your materials? The "artificial" hurdles placed in your way (and in the way of anyone else aspiring to "professional" status and wholesale purchasing power are there for at least two reasons: 1. to test your seriousness -- if you're a serious business, you have needs (and you obviously do) for quantities of supplies and you have to remain competitive so you need those supplies at lowest cost, and 2. it's not worth the suppliers' time to pack small orders -- their margins are so small that the only way they can make a buck (they have families to feed, too) is by selling large volumes of supplies. Those are my suggestions: go ahead and get a business phone if the additional cost is immediately (or will soon be) offset by the drop in your costs; go ahead and set up some sort of a storefront situation in cooperation with someone else who will also allow you to put up a sign advertising your studio's services. Don't cut back. Surge ahead. Bite the bullet. Take the plunge. Dare. And don't take "no" for an answer ... endeavor to perservere (Dan George in "Little Big Man") Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass nuggets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > All of the wholesalers that I purchase from all require some > proof of business and do not just sell to anybody. Well, that's what they say, anyway. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: help Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Can anyone tell me where to go to get the "wholesale" prices that I > hear mentioned? I don't have a lot of money to spend and may not be able > to pay $600 at once. Sorry, Sue. That's the way it works: wholesale discounts are given to those who buy large quantities all at once ... and often. It's only fair. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing.....pokeing a stick into the industry Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Has anyone ever considered the complexion of the > stained glass "industry"? Ever thought about that? > Yes i have thought about that a lot lately. especially when i saw a home > shopping show (QVC) featureing "Tiffany Inspired" SG lamps. It was stated > over and over that the glass and foil were made in the US, for a total US > product. The prices for these 12 and 14 in. dome > lamps....$79-89......suggested that they were not fabricated in the US. The rules for what can be marked "Made in the US" changed recently, if I remember my news stories correctly, being based now on an even lower percentage of materials and labor here in the States to qualify for that designation. But that to one side, whether one's competition comes from overseas or across the street, it's still competition and one must rise to the challenge in the best way one knows how. This topic has been treated here in the past and the consensus seemed to be that to even *try to compete with low-end products either in price or quality of materials is a waste of time and energy. You have to educate your customers to the fact that your lamps are simply better, worth the extra expense. When I ran a hot glass studio (those who've heard this story can drop off to sleep now), my overhead and cost of materials was so low that I was able to make a very good profit selling lug-handled, winged, iridescent blown glass mugs at $5 each retail. But the customers wouldn't buy them, because they immediately began to compare in their minds what $5 would buy at the local dimestore. When I marked the mugs at $25 each, they flew off the shelves of the museum stores where they were on offer. At $25, each mug became something special, something extraordinary in the true meaning of that word: out of the ordinary. So if I were you, I'd mark the lamps you make at what they're worth. If you have 50 hours and $200 worth of materials in each lamp, I'd say you should charge $750-1,000 (I'm just making this up, you realize) apiece, have a nice little card printed up explaining that each piece of glass was hand selected by an American artist (you) and, heck!, guarantee satisfaction for three years or something. My experience is that a guarantee makes people feel so good about any product that they very rarely ask for it to be kept. > Youghiogeny sells the bulk of their glass to an export market, as I am sure > other glassmakers are doing as well. In fact, one retailer I know has > complained that the better glass is reserved for the overseas market. I don't see anything wrong with Youghiogheny or any other manufacturer selling as much of their product as they can to anyone at all. Unless American artists and artisans are willing to buy the entire production of each an every American manufacturer (and they're not), those manufacturers are free to sell to whomever they please. Just because we love glass and many of us support ourselves and our families with the product of our hands using American-made glass doesn't mean that the manufacturers owe us any more allegiance than distributors owe retailers. They have families to feed, too, and often investors to keep happy as well. Not only that, but many American artists who complain that American manufacturers sell to overseas competitors who then sell their products in America in direct competition with the work of American artists (boy, this sentence is convoluted!) are *glad to buy the glass made by English, French and German manufacturers without any thoughts or regrets that "the best" English/German/French glass is being sold in the U.S. to American artists thus depriving the English (French or German) glass artists of that quality product. What's up with that? Personally (and this is no reflection on you or anyone else on this list), I think Americans as a whole are spoiled and expect to be treated as Lords of the Universe: the cost of our food is subsidized by the government so we don't have to spend nearly the percentage of our income on edibles as do the members of other nations, the cost of gasoline (the automobile is the American icon) is 1/4 to 1/3 its cost in other countries, we don't complain that our clothes are made in third-world countries so they don't cost too much (and we're hardly embarrassed by the fact that we pay so little, which means that those who make the clothing/shoes are paid a pittance). Etc., etc. Hmm. I'm ranting a bit here. > Also, lets talk about glass supply storefronts that > compete with their customers by selling fabricated work in the store windows > and over the internet. They also make the same product as the artists who buy > from them, but their cost is so low that they can and do undercut the very > people who buy from them. How are their costs lower? I suspect they're higher, but the owners of the storefronts are simply more efficient than a one-person studio can be; they *have to be more efficient. Let's look at that: The owner of any retail business will not only have higher rents, more taxes, and more insurance premiums to pay than a one-person owner of a home studio, but all of those costs are compounded by the fact that they have to comply with dozens of government regulations by which the home studio owner is not bound. Others have mentioned here that retailers local to them have gone out of business because of poor location ... and good location costs; so rents would be higher by definition. Their employees would be covered by a billyun different laws, rules and ordinances; OSHA workplace safety protection would have to be complied with (and at no small expense); the owner of the retail store would have to pay FICA (social security taxes) on *top of whatever the employees' contributions were -- in fact, they have to match them; other insurance premiums would include fire, theft, flood (?), and so on. In addition, they might have to be bonded (figure several thousand dollars a year) to work on most governmental and quite a few private institutional commissions ... In short, their costs *have to be higher, because a one-person studio doesn't have to comply with OSHA rules (although they should out of mere self-interest); the one-person shop doesn't isn't *required by law to have fire/theft/flood insurance, nor is bonding required ... and let's forget about rent: a "home office" deduction is a benefit enjoyed by a single practioner ... but the owner of a retail outlet doesn't have that benefit. So: In order to produce lamps (to use your example) at $79 each, the owner of a storefront has to jig-cut dozens of lamps at a time, his/her employees have to put them together quickly (badly? not necessarily), the materials have to be bought at best/lowest price (which translates to considerable investment) and ... as long as any lamp sits on the shelf unsold, the owner's money is sitting there, too. Meanwhile, the owner must pay employees weekly/biweekly or monthly, taxes have to be paid, insurance premiums must be met, etc., etc. I don't think it's as easy as you might imagine. By the way: When I used the word "complexion" above ('Has anyone ever considered the complexion of the stained glass "industry"?'), I was thinking about the almost lily-white aspect of those who work with glass. I think I've met one black couple in the past 25 years who were running a retail/studio operation. I could be wrong on this, but I've wondered about it for years: is there a subtle racism at work in the stained glass business? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:08:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Glass list" Subject: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:19:16 -0600 Message-ID: <199801221305.HAA29088@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wow! Great debate!.... Not a walking on eggs kinda thing but a good old fashioned knock down drag out. After the dust clears..........I wonder if there is a MSDS for the kind of dust that was kicked up around here.?...... Hopefully we will realize that as diverse a group as this is... young and old... pro and am.....seller and buyer ... affluent or not.... that the common bond we share here on bungi is far more valuable and important then our differences. Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 05:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:33:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13324.0> References: <<199801221305.HAA29088@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk First, thanks to those who gave me a few tips on the copper patina question -- was afraid everyone would be too focused on the recent debate to answer any questions from a newbie. Second, I agree Len, and I'm raising my hand!! (Plus I've gotten quite a few indirect pointers on what to do right away should I get really serious about glass and start a business at it.) Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got to get my most recent project finished -- because there's two more projects lined up after that one. I just wish there were more time in the day to spend working on glass! len alcamo wrote: > > Wow! > > Great debate!.... > > Not a walking on eggs kinda thing but a good old fashioned knock down drag > out. > > After the dust clears..........I wonder if there is a MSDS for the kind of > dust that was kicked up around here.?...... > > Hopefully we will realize that as diverse a group as this is... young and > old... pro and am.....seller and buyer ... affluent or not.... that the > common bond we share here on bungi is far more valuable and important then > our differences. > > Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 06:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:59:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Debate Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:07:14 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) My hand's up, but for artistic glass generally, not only stained glass. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 06:20:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:19:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re[2]: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 09:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: <9801228854.AA885478694@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for all the good advice and tips I have just learned about copper patina. Our instructor told us before putting the patina on we were to wash the piece with soap and water to remove the flux and then polish with the wax, apply the patina and then wax again. Does this sound right in waxing twice? I can't seem to get a good color and love using the copper coloring in my pieces. Sue in Michigan _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: The Debate From: at internet-mail Date: 1/22/98 9:07 AM > Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) My hand's up, but for artistic glass generally, not only stained glass. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 06:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:20:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: creative pricing ///was retailing Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:31:33 -0600 Message-ID: <199801221417.IAA03703@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:11 AM Subject: Re: retailing.....pokeing a stick into the industry > >> Has anyone ever considered the complexion of the >> stained glass "industry"? Ever thought about that? > > >When I ran a hot glass studio (those who've heard this story can drop >off to sleep now), my overhead and cost of materials was so low that >I was able to make a very good profit selling lug-handled, winged, >iridescent blown glass mugs at $5 each retail. But the customers >wouldn't buy them, because they immediately began to compare in their >minds what $5 would buy at the local dimestore. When I marked the >mugs at $25 each, they flew off the shelves of the museum stores >where they were on offer. At $25, each mug became something special, >something extraordinary in the true meaning of that word: out of the >ordinary. Interesting point Albert I have heard that BMW car sales took off in the US only when they DOUBLED their prices. About a year before I quite business I jacked my prices way up..... my thinking being that I really don't want to take on any new work just clean up the the jobs I have now but if I can get those kind of prices what the heck I'll try and squeeze in a few more jobs ...funny thing other then an occasional audible groan it did not dissuade anyone. Guess who kicked himself in the butt for not doing it years earlier. It might be an interesting experiment for someone who does fairs to select one fair and mark the prices way up and see how it affects sales and customer reaction. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 06:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:31:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:24:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.142438.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 08:09:03 EST, you write: << Hopefully we will realize that as diverse a group as this is... young and old... pro and am.....seller and buyer ... affluent or not.... that the common bond we share here on bungi is far more valuable and important then our differences. Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) >> AMEN!!!!! Now can we PUHLEEEESE get back to the glass....My delete button finger is getting mighty tired.!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 06:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.44433.0> References: <<1998Jan21.124237.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi again, Just a quick correction: Super Brite copper patina is from Inland. Gary Dodge Are there >different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with >the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" >copper >finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. > >Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in >Sleepy >Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm >within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 07:16:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:15:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Duplicate & Triplicate messages Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.43730.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk These little annoyances do add up, don't they? In looking into this problem, I noticed that some some messages to Bungi have the address appear twice. That would explain why they are received twice. I haven't looked at every one of the postings which appear twice because I expunged the duplicates as I received them. However, I did see Albert's and Dani's appear twice. Where I found them was in looking at the original addresses which appear when replying to a message. Please look at your addresses to see if there is some glitch causing this peculiarity. Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 07:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:15:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.41359.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk With reference to the polish referred to as semichrome, please be advised that it is "Simichrome" usually available at glass shops or "full-service" hardware stores. About $5-6 per tube. -----Original Message----- From: Northernlights To: glass Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:43 PM Subject: On a side note.... >In light of the recent "interesting" posts (although I've been viewing >it sort of like a tennis match...so far, looks tied) I've been wanting >to post a question to the group...I was "nudged" to just jump in and >ask. > >I'm pretty new at glass...have just been doing foil work and leaving it >"silver" when it's finished. But....I'm just completing my first piece >that I want to finish in copper. I've seen both "antique" looking >copper finishes and lighter, brighter copper finishes. Are there >different patinas for the two different effects or are they done with >the same? I really need this piece to be the "lighter, brighter" copper >finish, otherwise I'm going to leave it silver. > >Any "words of wisdom" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >P.S. I buy most of my things from a very very nice man's shop in Sleepy >Eye, MN (over 2 hours away) because of his "personal touch" and I'm >within 10 miles of 3 other glass shops. Just a side note. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 07:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:26:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:26:23 -0800 Message-ID: <199801221526.HAA00327@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For Shirley Balloch: Shirley: I know you are in the same state as I am and my store must not have been in the 150 mile radius that you mentioned. So if you are in my area I invite you to please stop in. You will find that we are very customer orientated. You'll be acknowledged when you come in, you'll be asked if there is anything that we can help you with. If you say you just want to look...you'll be given all the time you need. We'll gladly stop what we are doing to answer any questions that you may have. If you bring in your business licence, we'll glady offer you a discount. Depending on the quantity, our discounts go as high as 30%. Sometimes even more. Every customer that comes into our store is treated just as I want to be treated. When we opened our store, I vowed to never forget how I felt when I was first starting out. I was craving any information about stained glass that I could get my hands on. I can remember being discouraged when I would go into a store somewhere and feel like I had to ask 20 questions to get the answer to just one. Do I like knowing that a customer may be purchasing from a discount mail order company? Of course not. So I have to be creative in my business by offering top notch service, discounts, and even a toll free number...not only to take your order, but to answer any question that you might have. I want my customers to be as excited and as enthused as I am. So Shirley...if your down my way, stop in. I think you'll enjoy your visit. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio Medford, Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 07:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:44:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: wholesaling Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 08:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to > purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a > resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards > and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a > storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my > property) > > Alison, > > Personally, I think that many of the hurdles put up by wholesalers > are artificial, although once you yourself have gotten wholesale > accounts you too might be as "protectionist" as are those who already > buy at wholesale. It happens. > > I don't think it'd be duplicitous or shady for you to find a way to > have a "storefront" by finding a cooperative situation: why not see > if there's someone with a storefront (a gallery? a frame shop?) who > would "rent" space to you without your actually occupying the > premises. Your studio's name would go on the storefront; that person > would/could take phone calls for you. If it cost you $100/month, they > would benefit to the tune of $1200/year ... would the reduction in > your costs from paying retail for supplies and materials exceed > $1200/year if you could buy at wholesale? > > Same thing for Yellow Page listing. A business account costs what? > $35/month? That's $420/year. A line listing in the Yellow Pages (not > a display ad) doesn't cost much. Ask yourself the same question: > would the increased expense to you be covered by the resulting > reduction in the cost of your materials? > > The "artificial" hurdles placed in your way (and in the way of anyone > else aspiring to "professional" status and wholesale purchasing power > are there for at least two reasons: 1. to test your seriousness -- if > you're a serious business, you have needs (and you obviously do) for > quantities of supplies and you have to remain competitive so you need > those supplies at lowest cost, and 2. it's not worth the suppliers' > time to pack small orders -- their margins are so small that the only > way they can make a buck (they have families to feed, too) is by > selling large volumes of supplies. > one thing i never understood. wholesalers are in business to sell large amounts of 'stuff' at once. if i have $1000 to spend, why should they care that i am or am not a business? i may be doing every window in my new house, or selling the stuff to someone else, or selling out of my home, or whatever. they're still selling the large quantity at one shot. is it for collecting, and subsequently accounting and paying to all the states, any sales tax? if it's mail order, that's really between me and my state, since if they don't have a business presence in my local state they don't have to collect sales tax anyway. i suspect it's just to protect any local (to me) merchants who 'may' order from them in the future, and they may not hear from me until i can work off that order for quite some time. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 07:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Debate - patina Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.55655.0> References: <<9801228854.AA885478694@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > Thank you for all the good advice and tips I have just learned about copper > patina. Our instructor told us before putting the patina on we were to wash the > piece with soap and water to remove the flux and then polish with the wax, apply > the patina and then wax again. Does this sound right in waxing twice? I can't > seem to get a good color and love using the copper coloring in my pieces. > > Sue in Michigan > no. the general steps are: 1. wash it off with a joy-baking soda mix, and get it cleaned off. 2. dry it off 3. apply patina 4. repeat step 1 5. dry off again (only more thouroughly) 6. apply some polish, just to get it shiny, and not to rub it all off. when i worked with kay weiner, she showed me how to do this. only she rubbed all the patina off, and said "perfect". and i said there is'nt any patina left, but that's how she liked it... 7. apply wax, let it dry, and buff off. 8. after it air dries, use a q-tip or the like to remove the white rings around the solder lines. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:01:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: On a side note.... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.600.0> References: <<1998Jan22.41359.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb Adler wrote: > > With reference to the polish referred to as semichrome, please be advised > that it is "Simichrome" usually available at glass shops or "full-service" > hardware stores. About $5-6 per tube. but it does last a long time. i got mine about 4 years ago, and i think i went through about 1/4 of it. since i only use a few dabs to polish solder. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:01:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate & Triplicate messages Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:00:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.6048.0> References: <<1998Jan22.43730.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb Adler wrote: > > These little annoyances do add up, don't they? > In looking into this problem, I noticed that some some messages to Bungi > have the address appear twice. That would explain why they are received > twice. > I haven't looked at every one of the postings which appear twice because I > expunged the duplicates as I received them. > However, I did see Albert's and Dani's appear twice. Where I found them was > in looking at the original addresses which appear when replying to a > message. Please look at your addresses to see if there is some glitch > causing this peculiarity. > > Herb in Orlando > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i just noticed it myself, i guess there's something wrong with the bungi, hub. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:11:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:08:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan22.0854.0> References: <<1998Jan19.112731.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The discussion on lead concerns seems to be growing. Several years back there was a great deal of talk about eliminating lead for windows. Not sure where the legislation is now but they did allow the stained glass windows to still be produced. It is my understanding that unless lead is ingested the harm is minimal. The lead in paint was eliminated because children chewed on lead-based painted objects and in some instances ate the lead. Pipes soldered with lead leached the toxins. Knowing this the questions are: Should we be looking to someother metals to bind glass together? the lead-free solder doesn't seem to be too popular. If we are concerned why do we keep doing stained glass? Just thinking. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:17:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Retail v. hobbiest Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:13:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan22.01339.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To enter this discussion is dangerous. I would support my local retailer on many occassions but the prices are so inflated. I do respect overhead but many store mark-ups in my area are as much as 300-500 percent. Then when the budding artist wanting to turn retailer does try, they get a lot of ill-treatment. So...you just stay away. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:27:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:26:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:25:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.02542.0> References: <<199801221526.HAA00327@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Andrew T wrote: > > For Shirley Balloch: > > Shirley: > > I know you are in the same state as I am and my store must not have been > in the 150 mile radius that you mentioned. Never had the opportunity to visit your store, but have done mail order with you and that was a very positive experience. Plus am impressed with how much free advice you give on other glass chat lines, not to mention here. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:41:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:40:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.44053.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk OK.....my hand is up for the love of stained glass. My other hand is up for all art glass. My foot is up for all of art. My other foot is up for.......EEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKK . Have a day! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:49:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:48:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retail v. hobbiest Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199801221647.IAA12797@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mark-up at 200-500%? Maybe so. But look at the mark up on anything else you buy. Levis, toasters, food, auto parts, toys, and just about anything else you can imagine. So if you think the mark up that stained glass retailers is unique, then not true. Prime example: Revlon Cosmetics...cost to the retailer around $2.00 for a tube of lipstick...cost to the consumer...$7.00 or even more. Andrew Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 08:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:48:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: ItsAlison Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retail Supplier Question ?? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:44:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan22.0440.0> References: <<1998Jan21.234454.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good Question Alison. Between two retailers I started with, one complained all the time about making overhead. The other started giving me discounts on purchases because she knew I was turning pro. Guess which one I stayed with. Also, the other one wanted to refer customers to me to make lamps...provided I bought glass there. Glass supply was Spectrum. I will say this, she will give my students a 20 percent discount if they bring a note from me. She has never offered to give me a discount. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 09:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:28:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert(sales tax) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:46:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980122084634.33cf4c62@oregontrail.net> References: <<199801212315.SAA20357@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk frends: come to Oregon, we don't have sails tax!!! >Those who happen to be burdened by the federal government and have to claim >every little penny that they make and pay sales tax on it get to have the >privilage of paying less for items and not having to pay sales tax for them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 09:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: <199801221727.JAA27811@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I wonder if this will be exact enough. I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window to pop into the space. I'd really appreciate all suggestions...I hate reinventing the wheel!! Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 06:31:26 -0800 Message-ID: <9801228854.AA885479486@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. Reason: A platform specific error occurred while writing to a file. Likely disk full. Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from alto.mfi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Thu, 22 Jan 98 05:15:50 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com ([207.126.97.2]) by alto.mfi.com via smtpd (for sf-mail.mfi.com [198.71.17.202]) with SMTP; 22 Jan 1998 12:53:02 UT Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why flux? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Citronella is very posionous to breath. I wouldn't recommend it. I'm not sure that's true, but I'm checking it out with Monona Rossol. I have a feeling it's not true, but will let you know. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:14:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Norman Dobbins Videos Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: <199801221807.KAA22822@ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howdy gang.. For those that were looking for 'Norman Dobbins Videos' on glass etching and carving, the number has changed to: (505) 473-9203 and fax- (505) 473-9218. The set of 4 @ 90 minute videos covering 'etching', 'carving', 'shading', and 'how to redo patterns for this techniques' are $198.00 for the set plus shipping. (I am unsure of the address as I ordered over the phone.) .....Sorry to blurt out 'Glass Stuff' in this forum but OH WELL! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:22:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:15:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.181556.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Here, ye, here, ye...I agree with Steph~ it seems some folks like jumping on Albert's case......I am a "garage hobbyist", and I am trying to expand my business outside of my "garage". I do try to support my local retailer, but at the same time, if I'm trying to cut my costs in order to provide a reasonably priced item, in an effort to build a loyal client base, I will purchase from a catalog when I find I can save a bundle. In the past, I have spent more for an item to support my local shop, for instance, I purchased a Toyo supercutter from my retailer for $29, knowing I could purchase from a catalog and save $10, but when trying to start a business, and cutting costs is important, how many times can I afford to do such a thing? My approach now is that I purchase glass from my retailer, and I promote his shop as far as telling folks about his classes, large commission work, and to see his shop, but I purchase the staple items (solder, foil, chemicals, etc.) from the catalog. How can this be an "injustice"? As much as I would like to buy wholesale, I agree that at this stage in my "business", I should not qualify to purchase as a "retailer". But I should be able to manage my "craft" on a budget. It is a fine line, but Albert's opinion shouldn't be the brunt of so much slamming. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:36:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Duplicate & Triplicate messages Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:36:27 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Duplicate & Triplicate messages" on Jan 22, 11:00, "M. Savad" writes:] > > i just noticed it myself, i guess there's something wrong with the > bungi, hub. > I don't see it locally. -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:43:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplic Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:48 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > When we opened our store, I vowed to never forget how I felt when I was > first starting out. Andrew, I think that's great ... and it's hard to do, isn't it? I don't think anyone who hasn't actually run a business realizes how difficult it is to maintain that perspective; I applaud you for it. Myself? I'm coming from a 25-year experience, so I remember when "everyone was family," an atittude you're still managing to maintain, but one that's pretty much gone by the board in a general sense, alas. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:43:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: wholesaling Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:48 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > wholesalers are in business to sell large amounts of 'stuff' at once. > if i have $1000 to spend, why should they care that i am or am not a > business? Well, Charlie, they say they don't, but they do. My impression, from talking to people over the past 25 years right up to the present hour, is that most wholesalers "talk" the protect-the-retailer line but "walk" a very different line. I've had many people tell me that warm, breathing people clutching $20 bills can and do open accounts. (Okay, that's an exaggeration, the twenty bucks, but as in any business or "industry," $ talks.) > presence in my local state they don't have to collect sales tax anyway. Depends on the state(s) ... for example, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are very much in cahoots with each other and other states are on the rampage (particularly with the 'net up and active) to collect from anyone who buys *from their state(s) as well. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Debate Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:48 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Now can we PUHLEEEESE get back to the glass....My delete button > finger is getting mighty tired.!!! Gee, I thought that was what we were talking about ... cost of glass and supplies. Okay, I'll go watch Oprah and Sally Jessy. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: creative pricing ///was retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:48 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > It might be an interesting experiment for someone who does fairs to select > one fair and mark the prices way up and see how it affects sales and > customer reaction. Actually, I think there's a very large correlation between price asked and respect received (assuming quality of craftsmanship and materials is equal). If one doesn't think one's work is worthwhile (or worth the amount asked), nobody else will, either. On the other hand, if you think too much of yourself and your work and therefore charge more than the market can bear, you won't be successful either. It's a delicate balance. But any craftsperson interested in hitting the higher marks should attend some of the higher-end crafts fairs, take a look at what's on offer, what's being charged (a lot!) and then compare that work with his/her own and ask if he/she is charging enough. Or you could just compare what you charge on an hourly basis with what your local plumber asks when he comes to clean out the drain. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199801221846.SAA01839@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Carol, Easiest way is to use paper or card and make a cut-out template; that way you get an exact match even if the "hole" is not exactly circular .... Ladders.... hmmm, .... yes.... tell me about them!! Great fun when you have to work 40 ft up and it's blowing gale-force wind ;-) Wishing you calm weather and good luck!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I wonder if this will be exact enough. I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More about copyright..... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:45:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.54530.0> References: <<1998Jan22.64832.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Baendyril wrote: > > I was wondering...How much would you have to alter a pattern to use it as your > own? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Copyright law states that "a design must be substantially and SIGNIFICANTLY different from a copyrighted design in order to be considered as a separate original design"... I would highly recommend consulting a business attorney for a more specific definition of what constitutes "substantial" and "significant" change. I would also recommend NOT taking any chances on this issue! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island, NC USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:51:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: More help needed Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 13:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: <9801228854.AA885494983@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am starting a new project tonight that has a flower attached to the top of a clear glass open centered oval frame. The stem of the flower calls for copper wire and the center of the flower is a solder blob. Question 1: What is the copper wire called in the supply catalog to order - I looked in my catalog and do not see anything I think is what is called for Question 2: If you are using copper wire, I assume I'm to use copper foil and patina. How do I make the solder blob in the center of the flower turn the copper color without the foil to do it? Sue in Michigan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 10:57:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:54:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead concern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:15:08 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The lead in paint was eliminated because children chewed on lead-based > painted objects and in some instances ate the lead. Pipes soldered with > lead leached the toxins. Knowing this the questions are: Should we be > looking to someother metals to bind glass together? the lead-free solder > doesn't seem to be too popular. If we are concerned why do we keep doing > stained glass? Just thinking. Peggy Hi, Peggy! The stained glass industry (read "Stained Glass Association of America," in not-always-willing-conjunction/association with certain individuals who are also members of SGAA but who espoused the "Our studio will take the responsibility for our mess" line of thinking) convinced Congress a few years ago that there was no reasonable alternative to lead in the construction of stained glass windows. Those who espoused the "Our studio will take the responsibility for our mess" line of thinking had to suffer though the brickbats and catcalls of other SGAA members and suppliers telling them they were "trying to destroy the industry," when in fact being responsible for cleanup and protection of employees was the only way the Congress would accept that whatever dangers there are from lead could be obviated and counterbalanced by conscientious, careful, caring attitudes toward its continued use. (There are still stained glass studios and craftspeople who deny that lead is harmful at all.) Of course, the fact that most churches have stained glass windows that are/have been/will be in need of restoration that can only be done with lead was a large factor in the Congress' thinking: who wants to offend the majority of a Christian nation by telling them that their churches' windows pose a danger to the congregation? Pragmatism won out in both senses. For those who are interested, since there's been so much discussion recently about protectionism and market access, the SGAA was formerly and initially the National Ornamental Glass Association, formed expressly to lobby Congress to restrict what was then a large inflow of foreign stained glass into this country, thus causing American studios to fear for their financial lives. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:14:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:00:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.19019.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I know nothing about this but I'm curious about one thing here - if citronella is poisonous to breathe, why is it in every candle sold all summer long? You'd be breathing it in when they're burned at picnics and in backyards, etc. I find it hard to believe that they'd be so widely used, especially at family- type outings with children - if the fumes are poisonous to inhale. Does anyone know about this definitvely? Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:27:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:26:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: easyinternet.net!Keith From: "Keith Robinson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: unsubscibe Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <199801221930.OAA06640@ns.easyinternet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please remove me from your chat line. thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:30:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:29:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.62943.0> References: <<199801221526.HAA00327@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Very Good reply Andrew....could not have put it better....Thanks.... Hope all have a good day Walter Andrew T wrote: > For Shirley Balloch: > > Shirley: > > I know you are in the same state as I am and my store must not have been > in the 150 mile radius that you mentioned. So if you are in my area I > invite you to please stop in. You will find that we are very customer > orientated. You'll be acknowledged when you come in, you'll be asked if > there is anything that we can help you with. If you say you just want to > look...you'll be given all the time you need. We'll gladly stop what we > are doing to answer any questions that you may have. > If you bring in your business licence, we'll glady offer you a discount. > Depending on the quantity, our discounts go as high as 30%. Sometimes > even more. > Every customer that comes into our store is treated just as I want to be > treated. > When we opened our store, I vowed to never forget how I felt when I was > first starting out. I was craving any information about stained glass > that I could get my hands on. I can remember being discouraged when I > would go into a store somewhere and feel like I had to ask 20 questions > to get the answer to just one. > Do I like knowing that a customer may be purchasing from a discount mail > order company? Of course not. So I have to be creative in my business by > offering top notch service, discounts, and even a toll free number...not > only to take your order, but to answer any question that you might have. > I want my customers to be as excited and as enthused as I am. > So Shirley...if your down my way, stop in. > I think you'll enjoy your visit. > > Andrew Tillinghast > Neoglassic Studio > Medford, Oregon > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: For the love of Glass Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.65250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk I (myself) think that working with Stained Glass to most of us is a love afair..some of the older works are just unreal..just to think what they accomplice with out all the new tools. The hard work, sweat and tears, yes tears when you see such beautifur work of Art...I believe if you work with Stained Glass ,,,, you have to love it... Once again I'll say don't put all of The Retailers in the same group....if your retailer does not supuport you find another one...We are not all the same...If ever down in North Fla. please stop by and join us for a glass of tea or coffee... Hope you guys have a nice day.. Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:55:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What is Warner-Crivellaro? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.95452.0> References: <<1998Jan21.83955.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Since when is W/C not a retail Store? They might sell wholesale also, > but last time I checked, they sell retail. Warner-Crivellaro has a retail store that is the envy of every retailer. 1,500 colors of glass pre-cut into hobby sheets, pre priced, a thousand items made up as samples etc., JUST IN THE SHOWROOM. We could go on and on about what W-C offers to the retail customer. Everybody sells retail it is just a question of some companies being more imaginative than others in defining retail. Retail has been only a small part of Warner-Crivellaro for almost the last twenty years. This is something that some of our competitors want to gloss over because it is easier to dismiss a "mere" retailer than a distributor. Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 11:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:56:43 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is a way to find images on the Web. Generally speaking. I use Alta Vista (http://digital.altavista.com) as my search engine. Just search for image: (whatever) in the case of wizard use wizard, or magician or whatever comes to your mind. It may take some time to sift thru the several hundred thousand images, but I did find best success with peoples home pages, and retail outlets. Corps and business I have been less successful with for instance, I did a search for wizards and came up of 7785 hits. Something there might be adaptable. I have used this method for finding other patterns too. Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:36:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.33650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glen, why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read your responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to me and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. Come on join the group back the old fashioned way :) deb Bungi folks, does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:49:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.34951.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk hi carol, what I would do is take stiff cardboard slightly smaller than the window, enough to fit easily into the space, then I tape tabs every few inches to the cardboard to extend to the frame that the window will occupy. This should get you the exact measure and shape of the window. Then you can at your leisure make a proper template that is 1/16th to 1/8th " smaller all around for typical spaced fitting. hope this method is a help to you. Tried the ICQ yet? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann [SMTP:seaspray@mail.island.net] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 9:28 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I wonder if this will be exact enough. I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A\3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`@ $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````/0`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0!33510`&=L M87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`````>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !```` M$ ```&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````2 M````)V=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;2<````"`0LP`0```!4```!33510.D=,05-3 M0$)53D=)+D-/30`````#```Y``````L`0#H!````'@#V7P$````0````9VQA M40&J&[" `K*E;"``!M2,EA23T1&]V$1%4U0``"T```!213H@<&%T=&5R;B!M86MI;F<@9F]R('-E M;6DM8VER8W5L87(@=VEN9&]W# $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\,`0```!0```!G``@0`0```&4```!(24-!4D], M+%=(051)5T]53$1$3TE35$%+15-4249&0T%21$)/05)$4TQ)1TA43%E334%, M3$525$A!3E1(15=)3D1/5RQ%3D]51TA43T9)5$5!4TE,64E.5$]42$534$%# M12Q4``````(!"1 !````ZP0``.<$```9!P``3%I&=1V_?OMW``H!`P'W( *D M`^,"`&.": K 1'X4;6!Z!>&5X= GP(W,=4@-083\'@!SR M!4 =6!V!'+ @;\!C8W5P>2X1H!@@+00@?\(8!U#(\ `T 5 M!X ?``APWQK0`' ;T0^ (/%O&S =6/\FLB"!)](84 .@&9$GT07 GQS ! `H M\@# &L%A(!,`YF\@\!SA96T+42/@)/3A&G$Q+S$V'0`>C@NP2(<=QRA M*2 #8'7') $"$!SA>7!I&% #(/\?\S"Q'L ;`!Q#42? #\ _&+46A0% %1<2-!=0-1"# MH7&!)B+J [&VDS7C8!0"T!(^ H@2T^1WP2@!P=0K '& 7\ $=\#$Y M.3@@.3J2,DG004U&YU1O0Z=F9PM@!!! 8C"0/O NQ06@;4;H=6)J/C%#IW\* ML ) !)(LD3)!,,,/L&WQ0?!C:7(F< M@!< =E'\/0$ O03D]E#;H"\48PTF^ M)QH@' `:P1Z!'P!K3P3_`W I$000! `!D"(@)((#1&+0#D?)V S M'C(%0& !=24Q3K3_8&,',#,Q!)!B]04`.A!A=/\&X ) `W =\"DR!T!5(: M<>\F`U?P*$4>%"XUZ%026*'_&D!&H$]-`U )X%AQ3"%.X7\*L$:@::!N$3#1 M(#%L,FO_'B =D4[P$= A\BA3&+0) MT7@@\"B 9L0:]`4 `"#"@:JZB;2>]`0L``( (( 8``````, ```````!&```` M``.%`````````P`"@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$(4````````#``6 M"" &``````# ````````1@````!2A0``MPT``!X`)8 (( 8``````, ````` M``!&`````%2%```!````! ```#@N, `#`": "" &``````# ````````1@`` M```!A0````````L`+X (( 8``````, ```````!&``````Z%`````````P`P M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$84````````#`#* "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````8A0```````!X`08 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#:%```! 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This should get you the exact measure and shape of the window. Then you can at your leisure make a proper template that is 1/16th to 1/8th " smaller all around for typical spaced fitting. hope this method is a help to you. Tried the ICQ yet? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann [SMTP:seaspray@mail.island.net] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 9:28 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I wonder if this will be exact enough. I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. 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Dawn Portions of previous posts follows: ____________________________ >I need some advice. How does one take accurate measurements of a large semi-circle transom? The window seems symmetrical but it's not. If you have ANY doubts about ANY window shape, squareness, symmetry etc.the only foolproof method is to make a template. Len I would suggest bisecting the straight bit to find the centre, then measure a series of radii at say 15 degree angles around the semicircle-depending on how accurate you need to be. I agree that a template would be accurate, but it may not be practical. After carefully = measuring, then you could re-draw the measurements on a large sheet of paper. Hope this helps. Larry Lutz Minore via Dubbo NSW Aust. >1. What is the best material for a template? I use courragated cardboard for my templates. It is easy to come by in many sizes usually at an appliance store just for the asking. (big screen tv cartons work well) Hopefully you'll need a piece from a refridgerator carton! :-) It is nice and stiff and easy to cut with a = razor knife with a fresh blade >2. What do you use for moulding? How do you bend it? Assuming your not set up for carpentry, and the client is not demanding an exact material match, a product I have used with very good results for tight curves is a type of plastic moulding, it's dense = foam with a plastic wood grain veneer. Comes in several profiles, sizes = and imitation wood finishes. The face that would butt against the panel is usually .250 or .375 thick which is sufficient. It will bend nic= ely even to a pretty tight circle as it is quite flexible... NOTE>> Keep it = as warm as possible before use as it gets quite brittle when cold! Nails up = well with finish nails. I get mine at a building supply store. Len I think that the best template material is the "plastic" used by Quilters= . I don't know exactly how they call it, but you can find it at any craft = stores like Michael's or any fabric store. This plastic is durable, easy= to cut (with an x-acto knife) and it keeps the shape, even after prolonged use. I have found joining newspapers and using masking take to help mould the template is all I need to get the dimensions of the window opening. Of course you have to redraw it onto whatever you use to make patterns. But the cardboard never seems to cut right...especially if you are hanging off a ladder several feet above the= ground. The whole purpose of the template is to size the window so you really don't need something stiff and unbendable. Let us know what you finally decide. PJ from CA. Hi Kay, I have enjoyed all the comments and ideas, here is one more. When I have to make a template of something in an inconvienent place, aluminum foil works pretty good. It is light weight, easy to work with, = and holds its shape. (Just plain old Reynold's Wrap) Hope this helps one other note to remember about fitting the window (if you hav'nt remembered to do it), make sure to leave some space around the entire window. it should'nt fit snugly (you may not even be able to get = it in), leave about 1/16" to an 1/8" around the opening, depending on how high the molding is. also if the transom has an extend ledge, like = a shelf, on the side your going to insert the panel, make sure that the = main opening is the same size all the way through, (not tilted in a direction). so when you goto install your panel it will fit through the = first opening, and then into it's final resting place. you may also want to do a dry fit after you complete your project, in case you have to grind any of the edges. it would be easier to do it now than later, because your still set up, you'll need to refoil the edge= after word. ---Mike Savad Another option is to edge your window in an flat-H lead came (and adjustyour pattern size accordingly. When it comes time to install it, = you can trim a bit of the lead with a utility knife where necessary to = get a perfect fit. This would save you time of going back to the workshop. Stephanie Hi Kay, Just an additional thought on Peggy's idea of the newspaper. Cut a few "diamond" holes in the newspaper first and place a piece of masking tape over the "diamond". Then place the newspaper up on your glass. It will stayin place easily while you mark the semi circle. = Then transfer that template onto cardboard or a stiffer board. Then double check your cardboard template for the detailed fit. I am doing = one of these as we speak. I will also be bordering it w/ H came just as Stephanie suggested. I was told it would be easy to trim a bit if needed as I have never created one of these before. Luckily it's for me.!!! This will be one of the few pieces I'll be actually making for myself. Lorley from Phoenix Mike makes a good point about tapered jambs ( I always wondered why they did that) every set is a little different and proper sizing is = an important factor in any window installation especially large windows off = the ground. Some interesting template material and techniques were discussed but I still hold that if you have to make a LARGE template cardboard has some definite pluses even if you have to learn how to cut it. Mainly it gives you the opportunity to make a dry run on fit and = also on how you want to stage the setting of the panel. One or two ladders, scaffolding one or two people that kind of thing. Just handle = the template as if it were a panel this should help folks who haven't much experience setting larger panels off the ground to feel more comfortable with the installation. Also the cardboard does not have to = be rolled or folded and is unyielding and probably more likely to transfer accurately to paper. Stephanie's comment on * binder lead* is = important too. It's really your ace in the hole if you get in trouble wit= h a tight set to be able to trim. Sometimes I forget that most list members = are foilists ( OH NO! not THATagain!) I guess I was under the impression you all used an H channel binder on all the panels that were set with stops. I worked a number of years as a new window installer for a big church studio and there was a thing called a *perfect= set* this meant that the binder lead around the perimeter of the window *revealed* from the stops about two thirds of the dimension of = the face of the came the window was built with unless there were mixed sizes then you tried for an average. Example>> came is .375 thickness of stop is .500 panel clearence is .125 therefor binder lead = is .625 which would give you a .250 reveal. .625 plus .125 minus .500 equals .250 which is two thirds of .375 IMHO... a panel looks more professional if the binder shows around the perimeter of a set. I would = also think even with foil it would be stronger, cleaner looking in line = and easier then beading solder around the edges of a panel. Len Hi all, Just a comment about adjusting H-came edging lead. Rather than using a knife to "shave" to size, try using what we Across the Pond call a surform (it's like a rasp with holes in). This will give a neater = finish than a knife, which I personally find rather akward to get a good straight and even finish. Another thing; I was taught that you in fact = DO want the edging lead to protrude slightly (about 2-3 mm) from the beading/moulding/putty and to be visible. Just my 2 cents worth Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:16:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:16:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801222016.PAA12717@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol wrote, >I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to >go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular >window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get >an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter >across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I >wonder if this will be exact enough. > > >Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders >aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible >about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another >thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be >running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough >measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window to >pop into the space. > Best thing to do is make a template while your up that ladder. Use cardboard or corogated box board. These seem to hold up the best. And make sure the template fits exactly the way you want it. Use the template for your pattern base. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:21:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:20:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801222020.PAA12939@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Elisabeth wrote, > >Easiest way is to use paper or card and make a cut-out template; that >way you get an exact match even if the "hole" is not exactly circular Ah you beat me to it!!! > >Ladders.... hmmm, .... yes.... tell me about them!! >Great fun when you have to work 40 ft up and it's blowing gale-force >wind ;-) How about some nice scaffolding some 50ft, up, I don't do ladders that high anymore. Give me a nice scaffold and some real supportive planks. Only way to do it. And never never look down. Even when they are passing you that panel. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nwu.edu!alansing From: Amy Lansing To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: For the love of Glass Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:33:16 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980122143316.0078c13c@merle.acns.nwu.edu> References: <<1998Jan22.65250.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Walter, I will be in North Florida (Tallahassee, Jacksonville & finally Gainesville-sorry about my spelling on these) from 1/23-1/27. Where again is your wonderful store located? Amy Lansing At 02:52 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >I (myself) think that working with Stained Glass to most of us is a >love afair..some of the older works are just unreal..just to think what >they accomplice with out all the new tools. The hard work, sweat and >tears, yes tears when you see such beautifur work of Art...I believe if >you work with Stained Glass ,,,, you have to love it... >Once again I'll say don't put all of The Retailers in the same >group....if your retailer does not supuport you find another one...We >are not all the same...If ever down in North Fla. please stop by and >join us for a glass of tea or coffee... >Hope you guys have a nice day.. >Walter > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Amy Lansing Deputy Project Coordinator Psycho-Legal Studies Northwestern University Medical School 710 N. Lake Shore Drive, Suite #900 Chicago, IL 60611 Office: (312) 503-3500 FAX: (312) 503-3535 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 12:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nwu.edu!alansing From: Amy Lansing To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:36:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980122143655.0078c624@merle.acns.nwu.edu> References: <<1998Jan22.33650.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glen, So far I have 19 downloads from you that I don't have a clue about. For example: "WINMAIL19.DAT". What are they for? It doesn't slow me down at all, but I can't access them. Amy At 11:36 AM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Glen, >why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read your >responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to me >and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini >hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. >Come on join the group back the old fashioned way >:) >deb > >Bungi folks, >does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Amy Lansing Deputy Project Coordinator Psycho-Legal Studies Northwestern University Medical School 710 N. Lake Shore Drive, Suite #900 Chicago, IL 60611 Office: (312) 503-3500 FAX: (312) 503-3535 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 13:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:25:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.82541.0> References: <<1998Jan21.11184.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Just thought that I'd mention it Mike F., but Howard is an artist/studio/teacher/retailer in his OWN right. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Mike Figgy wrote: > > Also wasn't this posting originally about this person's complaints that > wholesalers qualify their customers as this person sold to his students at > school, cutting out the retailer- thereby being guilty of the same thing he > accusses the wholesalers of? > - > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 > (Tel:416-252-6868) > Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass > supplier. > > -----Original Message----- > From: len alcamo > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: January 21, 1998 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: retailing > > > > >> > >>My wholesalers are fairly careful about selling to the "wise" shoppers who > >>have gone around the stores to find the suppliers. I RATTED out a student > >>who is sharp and got to one of my wholesalers....We agreed to set a > minimum > >>first purchase to qualify her....She winced and decided it was easier to > >>pick at me than spend big $$$$$$ for an inventory. > > > >There is a word for that kind of activity Howard..........its called > >collusion > > > > > >Len > > > > > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 13:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:26:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.112530.0> References: <<199801221526.HAA00327@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This was just too good to miss... > Do I like knowing that a customer may be purchasing from a discount > mail order company? Of course not. So I have to be creative in my > business by offering top notch service, discounts, and even a > toll free number...not only to take your order, How is someone else's mail order "better" for the stained glass industry than Warner-Crivellaro's? Why would someone slam Warner-Crivellaro for mail order sales while they are trying to build their own mail order sales? Sounds more and more like the "h" word: hypocrisy. Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 13:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:52:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why flux? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:52:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.85228.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Thank you Albert! I didn't totally believe it myself, but lacked confidence in my own knowledge to speak up about it nor did I know where to begin to find out about it... V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Citronella is very posionous to breath. I wouldn't recommend it. > > I'm not sure that's true, but I'm checking it out with Monona Rossol. > I have a feeling it's not true, but will let you know. > <> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:06:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: duplicate posts Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.132028.0> References: <<1998Jan22.41040.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi! I am still having problems with duplication. Have notified my server and Glenna, but still I am receiving three each of every message. Is there something I can do? Just asking. . .:-) Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:11:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:09:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.997.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Everybody who loves Stained Glass raise their hand ! :-) > > My hand's up, but for artistic glass generally, not only stained glass. > > Albert > > ---- My Hand is |||| up too! {See?) | |||| <-- \ V V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:33:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More help needed Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.123147.0> References: <<9801228854.AA885494983@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > I am starting a new project tonight that has a flower attached to the top of a > clear glass open centered oval frame. The stem of the flower calls for copper > wire and the center of the flower is a solder blob. > > Question 1: What is the copper wire called in the supply catalog to order - I > looked in my catalog and do not see anything I think is what is called for > > Question 2: If you are using copper wire, I assume I'm to use copper foil and > patina. How do I make the solder blob in the center of the flower turn the > copper color without the foil to do it? > > Sue in Michigan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you'll want to find a stiff wire for the flower. the wire should be tinned, even if you are going to patina. the copper wire could turn green. the blob has to be foiled to turn copper, just be sure it tin it also. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.135111.0> References: <<199801221727.JAA27811@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Carol. . . I would not recommend just taking the radius and diameter. You won't get a perfect fit. What I have found is. . .make a complete pattern out of poster board. I know it's a little uncomfortable--up on a ladder--but I start with a piecee of board in one corner and tape with masking tape other pieces to the first one. I also keep an exacto knife handy to cut the curve. In the end you will have a template/pattern you know you can use. As long as you don't go outside the pattern your window will fit perfectly! Good luck, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert(sales tax) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:52:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > frends: come to Oregon, we don't have sails tax!!! Yes, but you have lots of very cold rain ... I lived in Portland for a few years and would rather have snow (which I get now in abundance, of course). On the other hand, a former governor of Oregon called it "liquid sunshine." Talk about spin! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:49:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: downloads? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:52:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada Not here, Glenn. Using Pegasus on a PC platform. All a-okay. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) Citronella poisonous? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:52:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Citronella is very posionous to breath. I > wouldn't recommend it. Monona Rossol, our "resident" expert on studio safety, responded: "Like all organic chemicals, it produces some really noxious stuff when burned in candles. The oil itself is a registered insect repellant, but as these go, it doesn't appear to be highly toxic. However, very little is known about it. The only data is some acute data which shows how much it takes to kill 50% of the test animals on a single exposure, the fact that it is a skin and eye irritant, and mutation data reported (probably Ames test data)." Hope that's helpful. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:47:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------12F12AE25B44E086F3A7178D" Subject: [Fwd: Really big panel] Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan21.14153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------12F12AE25B44E086F3A7178D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this out the other day, but never got a word on it. With all the talk about wholesale and retail, did my real glass question get lost? Does anyone have any ideas on how to build this beauty? Nadine --------------12F12AE25B44E086F3A7178D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34C3E418.403BC95@erols.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:39:05 -0500 From: Nadine Beth Schneider Reply-To: nadinesfolly@erols.com Organization: Nadine's Folly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glass Enthusiasts Subject: Really big panel X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! I've been doing glass for the past 18 years, but to date, my largest panels were 4' x 4' and 5' x 3'. Now I have a job to do that is huge. There's an arch window 21 h x 44.25 wide on top of three transoms 15"hx21, 15"x44.25 and 15"x21. Then under it all, in the middle is a window 44.25 wide by 69.25 high. I have always used restrip in between my copper foiling and rebar where it works horizontally, but I know this big panel is going to need more in the way of structure and I am wondering if anyone has any good ideas. I planned to frame it in 3/4" H zinc so I would have a strong heart to solder the rebar to. Do you think this will be enough, or should I plan on framing it in wood. If I do then the border of the big panel will not be the same as on the other four pieces. This is really keeping me up at night--and help will be greatly appreciated :-} Thanks, Nadine --------------12F12AE25B44E086F3A7178D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 14:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:51:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.65037.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > The stained glass industry (read "Stained Glass Association of > America," in not-always-willing-conjunction/association with certain > individuals who are also members of SGAA but who espoused the "Our > studio will take the responsibility for our mess" line of thinking) > convinced Congress a few years ago that there was no reasonable > alternative to lead in the construction of stained glass windows. > OK. What does leached mean? And are you saying there is an alternative to lead? I tried lead free solder once (on a barrett I made cause when I put those things in my hair, I always use my third hand; my mouth) and it was horrible stuff to work with. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: downloads Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:01:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.7129.0> References: <<1998Jan22.35629.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > Is this a download? If so I get them all the time. > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Duplicate & Triplicate messages Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13616.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the feedback Herb. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:06:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13550.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol- Just make a paper template - which requires getting up on a = ladder or scaffolding! This is the most accurate way in a very inaccurate world. Can the owner make the template for you and = just mail it to you? Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. = Best regards, DAni Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: retailing Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13713.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Alison, your "rant" is most valid and the situation is bound to change probably sooner than later. Twenty years ago Tom Wolfe was predicting a return to cottage industry in the new century and I see everywhere the trend of working from the home becoming well established. The times they are a-changin' and our wholesalers must stay in tune with that - if someone goes to the trouble to get a sales tax license, letterhead, business cards, a separate checking account, etc., the YP = ad and a storefront may well be super- fluous. For that matter, a yellow pages ad doesn't have to cost you your first-born child. In my neck of the woods, a one-line listing is free with a business number (about double the monthly cost of a residential line). Check with your telephone company. My guess with all of the above ammunition, most wholesalers would waive a storefront require- ment. Plus, most wholesalers have an annual purchase requirement. If you don't buy = enough glass, you lose your account. What's = the big deal? My guess is most hobbyists = aren't going to try that hard just to get a better deal on a little glass! On the other hand, folks who do two dozen fairs or more a year have a full-time job whether they work out of their homes or not! IMPO*! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios *In My Pompous Opinion ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:08:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13657.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians- I'm not sure I can agree either. We do buy glass from suppliers sight unseen that is either shipped or delivered and we don't have too much trouble - of course, how much problem can you have buying waterglass and glue chip? We also had tremendous luck with our recent large order to S.A. Bendheim which was purchased by catalog. The W. German mouthblown Lambert's was surprisingly close to the illustrations, and believe me, you don't = get "gooder" glass than Lambert's! So, it depends on the circumstance... and the supplier. My supplier in Boulder doesn't know the difference between cobalt blue and robin egg blue, so I don't expect much from them and don't order much art glass with unusual = characteristics - that we usually hand-pick at a closer wholesaler. Not that either wholesaler in Colorado has a very good = selection. Frankly, we're getting to the point where shipping from California and getting really good art glass is worth the time and expense just to get the finished product we're after. Best regards, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13632.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, from what I've heard from bungi members in the last year, it sounds to me like Warner-Crivellaro is in a class by itself.... setting an industry standard, not part of the herd. Charles was even so kind as to check his Wissmach stock to see if he had a glass I'd been trying to get for a = customer for over a year and I was = getting absolutely no help from my regular suppliers. I appreciate that kind of service. BTW I still haven't been able to get one color. I wonder what Paul Wissmach will do when his China trade runs dry. That's the flip side of = the coin as far as service and we don't forget those experiences either. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:09:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2761.25B6F460" Subject: RE: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:53:18 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.155318.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2761.25B6F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to mention, I have no problems with Glen's posts.. No downloading.. Just read and = move on.... Many,many, bungi posts these days, is that not great..=20 It may be another problem to Glen's posts..=20 Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Spicer [SMTP:gspicer@seaside.net] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 5:37 PM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: downloads? Glen, why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to = read your responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent = to me and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a = mini hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. Come on join the group back the old fashioned way :)=20 deb Bungi folks, does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? 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I have ordered many times from your = company.. The one thing that I order most are Marianne's bevel = clusters.. They are always unique, not found in my local retail stores, = and the price is so reasonable that any mark up tp my customer is a nice = profit.. So I say shop, and if the unique happens along, go for it. Gloria PS.. I believe you once said that you have the solder tip cleaner that = you just poke your iron into,, I would like to buy that from you, but it = is not in the catalog, (Christmas 1996) that I have from you.. Can you = send details. thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: Charles [SMTP:charles@fast.net] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:26 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate This was just too good to miss... > Do I like knowing that a customer may be purchasing from a discount > mail order company? Of course not. So I have to be creative in my=20 > business by offering top notch service, discounts, and even a=20 > toll free number...not only to take your order, How is someone else's mail order "better" for the stained glass=20 industry than Warner-Crivellaro's? Why would someone slam Warner-Crivellaro for mail order sales while they are trying to build their own mail order sales? Sounds more and more like the "h" word: hypocrisy. 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Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:09:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:11:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.101115.0> References: <<199801221727.JAA27811@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dear Carol, The ONLY way I know how to do it as accurately as you are going to need in order to keep travel time to a minimum, is to take the materials with you to create an exact template of the window opening. Whether you make out of MDO, plywood, matboard, acrylic sheeting, etc. you will need to have the tools and such to whittle and shave it down here and there to fit around a 'sway' in this part or a 'dip' in that, AFTER you have shaped it up to roughly the proper geometric dimensions... Hopefully someone else may have an easier solution, but this is how I work on fitted panels. I prefer MDO board or acrylic sheeting for my templates. V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Carol Swann wrote: > > I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to > go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular > window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get > an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter > across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I > wonder if this will be exact enough. > > I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact > rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect > semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. > > It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. > > Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders > aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible > about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another > thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be > running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough > measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window to > pop into the space. > > I'd really appreciate all suggestions...I hate reinventing the wheel!! > > Thanks > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The hands are up, the feet are up. Now heads up, here comes Shirley! What a hoot! Best ;-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Albert Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.1374.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Walter- I think this debate is one of the most interesting and valid in a long time! Thanks for starting it - it's this kind of = conversation that points out problems and maybe even creates new solutions. Not to mention that it teaches us to disagree without being disagreeable (most of us, at any rate!) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:16:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:12:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.231242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 15:03:36 EST, you write: << Bungi folks, does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> Yes, Glenn, your posts all come as downloads, and I have been unable to open them for some reason. Sure would like to read what you have to say! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:24:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.102454.0> References: <<1998Jan22.0854.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > The discussion on lead concerns seems to be growing. Several years back > there was a great deal of talk about eliminating lead for windows. Not > sure where the legislation is now but they did allow the stained glass > windows to still be produced. It is my understanding that unless lead is > ingested the harm is minimal. <> Lead can be absorbed into the blood stream from ingestion, inhalation, or absorbtion into an open wound. Once in the blood stream it is filtered out by the liver where it stays for the remainder of your life. The more you absorb, the more the liver has in it. While it sits in your liver it continues to poison you also for the balance of your days on earth. Dust from lead paint can be breathed in just like the fumes from soldering and fluxion with lead & solder materials. > > The lead in paint was eliminated because children chewed on lead-based > painted objects and in some instances ate the lead. Pipes soldered with > lead leached the toxins. Knowing this the questions are: Should we be > looking to someother metals to bind glass together? the lead-free solder > doesn't seem to be too popular. If we are concerned why do we keep doing > stained glass? Just thinking. Peggy > > ---- I don't know about you, but I do stained glass because I LOVE it! It is like going to the top of a mountain--hard work, many pitfalls, a few injuries possible on the way, and only personal satisfaction in the climbing bit; BUT, the view from the top AFTER you've finished can be a once-in-a-lifetime, breathtaking, experience!! I even DREAM about creating stained glass in my sleep sometimes... ;-) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:38:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: To Sandy - store name and location Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:43:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.124310.0> References: <<1998Jan21.172127.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk mindwarp wrote: > > Zane wrote: > > > > Dear Deidra, > > > > I wish you lived in Pittsburgh, PA. I would love to change your > > attitude with a visit to our shop. > > Zane > > ---- > > What's the name of your shop & location? I live in the Baldwin (South > Hills). > > Sandi > Sandi, We are Signature Glass and are located in Donaldson's Crossroads Shopping Center in McMurray - about 5 miles south of South Hills Village going towards Washington. When you pass the McDonalds, turn left at the next light and then right up into Donaldson's Crossroads and we are at that end. Look forward to your visit Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:39:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: duplicate posts Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13640.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LuAnn- I got everything in triplicate, too! 89 posts this morning -yikes! Best ;-0 Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj- We're with you all the way as far as "customer" service. We're on a busy street next door to an antique store and, consequently, get lots of looky-loos dropping in even though we do only custom work and often times don't even have a spec piece in the window! They're not buying, but want to look at the portfolio anyway, and at what's on the table, etc. And lots of hobbyists, too, with questions. So you spend time yacking with them. Never offend anyone! Even when you're on deadline! We do some of our best (and certainly the most)work after 8PM! Midnights are pretty productive too! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:24:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.232429.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 15:03:36 EST, you write: << Bungi folks, does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> Yep Glenn - everyone of them. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:48:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:48:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.114851.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The way I do 1/2 circle transom windows is to tape a piece of cardboard over the opening then draw through from the other side... You CAN'T depend on any opening being even or square so be sure and note which side the pattern is facing and which is front and back... I also cut the patter out right then and there to be sure it fits right... I work mainly for home builders and with what little they want to pay I don't want to waste time and money having something not fit right the first time... Byron... -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 11:35 AM Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows >I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to >go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular >window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get >an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter >across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I >wonder if this will be exact enough. > >I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact >rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect >semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. > >It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. > >Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders >aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible >about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another >thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be >running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough >measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window to >pop into the space. > >I'd really appreciate all suggestions...I hate reinventing the wheel!! > >Thanks > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:54:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:45:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.74524.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is a test deb, I don't think that I can simplify things here much more without changing my E mail editor I'll send one via bungi as well. If you refer to this refer as test B Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: DMR74 [SMTP:DMR74@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:51 AM To: Glenn Spicer Subject: BUNGI DOWNLOADS Glen, why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read your responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to me and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. Come on join the group back the old fashioned way :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 15:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:57:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:17:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.231741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Yes Glen all the posts that I recieve via bungi from you are in the form of a download also. Stan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:36:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.12365.0> References: <<1998Jan21.151548.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk charles wrote: This is one mail order company > that I will not allow you to lump with others. We are not money > grubbing parasites living off your hard work, shipping out bad glass, > and stealing all your customers --- > Sincerely, > Marianne Warner Most of you need no introduction to the Warners - they are the ones who are obviously campaigning with the above post which I have mercifully reduced in size. Since they are not trying to steal our customers, may I ask why you are located 5 hours away but feel the need to place a large ad in the Pittsburgh area yellow pages where my customers will see it? Is this a practice around the country or just limited to Pittsburgh? Not that I would accuse you of being money grubbing parasites. I am also not the one posting all over the boards - I only know of one board in particular, and that was because you claim in your yellow pages ad to be wholesale to the public and yet wanted the best of both worlds by being on an independent retailers board and were not welcomed by the whole, not by me personally. I don't seem to be one with the problem, here. I am happy about how our store is doing and I am not in direct competition with you as you are with me, so why don't you get off my back. If my customers want to purchase from you, I am not upset - that is there decision. And I retract my general statement about glass through the mail but I still believe each person should select the individual piece of glass to fit their pattern. Only then can you get the perfect swirls, etc., to fit the pattern, unless of course you are using some generic types of glass. For example, please see the Whirly Girl poster by Spectrum - they use a perfect swirl of glass for the horse and certainly hand selected these sheets. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:06:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass list'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2762.CAD3D340" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13157.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2762.CAD3D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove from your list for awhile. Thank you, UNSUBSCRIBE Tim Byrnes ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2762.CAD3D340 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgkXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAGUAAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAua3jrobvPEZ/kREVTVAAAZIMAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNz ICBsaXN0AFNNVFAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEA AAAQAAAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAAA4AAAAnZ2xhc3Mg IGxpc3QnAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5HSS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6 AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAIKNgEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEI AQSAAQAMAAAAVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUAhQQBBYADAA4AAADOBwEAFgASAA8ABwAEABgBASCAAwAOAAAA zgcBABYAEgAIACEABAArAQEJgAEAIQAAAEVBM0MxNUQyQjg5MkQxMTE5RkU2NDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAw APAGAQOQBgAIAgAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AGCAQZSL J70BHgBwAAEAAAAMAAAAVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAb0ni5Q40hU89pK4EdGf5kRF U1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABEAAAB0YnlybmVzQHNuZXQubmV0AAAA AAMABhCVR6VgAwAHED4AAAAeAAgQAQAAAD8AAABQTEVBU0VSRU1PVkVGUk9NWU9VUkxJU1RGT1JB V0hJTEVUSEFOS1lPVSxVTlNVQlNDUklCRVRJTUJZUk5FUwAAAgEJEAEAAADFAAAAwQAAADQBAABM WkZ19X4mtv8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVt AoMz9wLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwMw8UUAsKFFEL8SAgUGy0ZWERsCAWEARgdhnA yQNSIHkIYSBsBAAFQCMCEAXAYXdoAxBlLpcKhQqFGVBUEYBuaxqSAiwcwVVOU1VCU2BDUklCRQqF B2EgvEJ5BKAHkAqFFTEAIDAAAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAQAAHMMAjXKmKJ70BQAAIMMAjXKmK J70BHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAPZx ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2762.CAD3D340-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:15:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:20:10 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >... license, letterhead, business cards, a > separate checking account, etc., the YP = > > ad and a storefront may well be super- > fluous. For that matter, a yellow pages > ad doesn't have to cost you your first-born > child. In my neck of the woods, a one-line... In my "neck of the woods" it also takes at least a year and a half to get the darned ad in the yellow pages. They only publish the book once each year, and you have to have the listing well in advance of the publication of the new book. I guess that's what they mean by the "first year being the most difficult." Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:22:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Complexion Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.132910.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Don't know about this Albert, I am following this whole discussion with interest while "lurking" . But in the shows I have done (I try to make a living selling my Jewelry and Glass at "Art and Craft" shows) There are about as many Minorities crafting and selling as the percent of same in the area where I live. Since I did not get into doing glass until I moved to Florida, don't know about the other parts of the county. I would suspect, Artistry does not follow race or class, but is evenly distributed among the population of the particular area. (Obviously more Chinese artists in China, More Black artists in Africa, etc. etc.) Since I avoid the "Big Cities" for visits or shows, I perhaps do not have an accurate view of larger population areas. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > By the way: > > When I used the word "complexion" above ('Has anyone ever > considered the complexion of the stained glass "industry"?'), I was > thinking about the almost lily-white aspect of those who work with > glass. I think I've met one black couple in the past 25 years who were > running a retail/studio operation. I could be wrong on this, but I've > wondered about it for years: is there a subtle racism at work in the > stained glass business? > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:24:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More help needed Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:29:20 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > I am starting a new project tonight that has a flower attached to the top of a > > clear glass open centered oval frame. The stem of the flower calls for copper > > wire and the center of the flower is a solder blob. > > Question 2: If you are using copper wire, I assume I'm to use copper foil and > > patina. How do I make the solder blob in the center of the flower turn the > > copper color without the foil to do it? > > > > you'll want to find a stiff wire for the flower. the wire should be > tinned, even if you are going to patina. the copper wire could turn > green. the blob has to be foiled to turn copper, just be sure it tin it > also. You don't have to foil a solder blob to use copper patina on it. Just be sure that it is clean. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 16:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:25:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:19:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.01936.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 18:55:51 EST, you write: << this is a test >> this is not Deb - this is Lu Ann - no download here for the first time. Hope Deb has the same thing as I do now. Thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:00:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:01:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.12149.0> References: <<1998Jan22.19019.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk If you read the labels, most of these are called things "Bug Bucket", Yard Lites", etc. and say nada about citronella. The reason for this is they are using extracts of citronellol which is chemically a cousin of citronella butit's a bit cheaper to grow plants containing it Citronellol is also not quite as potent a bug repellent as citronella either though. I grow herbs as a hobby and make my own herbal teas and such, so it pays for me to know a little about the homeopathic and chemical values of my plants befoer I use them in ingestable cocotions. Lemon Balm is among my favorites and contains citral AND cintronellol. (Citral oil extracts are VERY expensive.) Lemon Balm tea has been known to have been SO popular among the French that it became known as "the' de France" (or "tea of France".) WOW! sorry, I got carried WAY off subject here--apologies to all! :-> V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. [& part-time herb gardener!] SusieHUs wrote: > > I know nothing about this but I'm curious about one thing here - if citronella > is poisonous to breathe, why is it in every candle sold all summer long? > You'd be breathing it in when they're burned at picnics and in backyards, etc. > I find it hard to believe that they'd be so widely used, especially at family- > type outings with children - if the fumes are poisonous to inhale. > > Does anyone know about this definitvely? > > Susie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glenn RE:downloads Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:12:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.11225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn I'm not getting downloads, but I am getting a trailer to the original mail. See end of this message. Elsie At 07:49 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >hi carol, > what I would do is take stiff cardboard slightly smaller than the window, >enough to fit easily into the space, then I tape tabs every few inches to >the cardboard to extend to the frame that the window will occupy. This >should get you the exact measure and shape of the window. Then you can at >your leisure make a proper template that is 1/16th to 1/8th " smaller all >around for typical spaced fitting. hope this method is a help to you. Tried >the ICQ yet? >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol Swann [SMTP:seaspray@mail.island.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 9:28 AM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: pattern making for semi-circular windows > >I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have >to >go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular >window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to >get >an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter >across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I >wonder if this will be exact enough. > >I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact >rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect >semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. > > > >begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT >M>)\^(A\3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` >M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ >MD 8`@ $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````/0`````` >M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0!33510`&=L >M87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`````>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !```` >M$ ```&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````2 >M````)V=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;2<````"`0LP`0```!4```!33510.D=,05-3 >M0$)53D=)+D-/30`````#```Y``````L`0#H!````'@#V7P$````0````9VQA >MM`````&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0!33510`&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`````# >M`/U?`0````,`_U\``````@'V#P$````$`````````GE)`02 `0`M````4D4Z >M('!A='1EM!8 #``X```#.!P$`%@`+`#$`,P`$`%\!`2" `P`.````S@M! !2`0$)@ $`(0```$,U130X0SDV,30Y,T0Q,3%"1$0X-#0T-34S-30P,# P >M`.<&`0.0!@`("0``(@````L``@`!````"P`C``$````#`"8```````L`*0`! >M`````P`N```````"`3$``0```-X```!00T1&14(P.0`!``(`3 `````````X >MH;L0!>40&J&[" `K*E;"``!MM````0SI<5TE.1$]74UQO=71L;V]K+G!S= `8`````````.NI:DX[?= 1O=A$ >M15-4``"B@ ```````!@`````````ZZEJ3CM]T!&]V$1%4U0``,* ```0```` >MQ>2,EA23T1&]V$1%4U0``"T```!213H@<&%T=&5R;B!M86MI;F<@9F]R('-E >M;6DM8VER8W5L87(@=VEN9&]WM``$````M````4D4Z('!A='1EM('=I;F1O=W,``````@%Q``$````6`````;TG;N;TEHSDQI,4$=&]V$1%4U0` >M````'@`># $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\,`0```!0```!GM87-I9&4N;F5T``,`!A#\U72W`P`'$"$$```>``@0`0```&4```!(24-!4D], >M+%=(051)5T]53$1$3TE35$%+15-4249&0T%21$)/05)$4TQ)1TA43%E334%, >M3$525$A!3E1(15=)3D1/5RQ%3D]51TA43T9)5$5!4TE,64E.5$]42$534$%# >M12Q4``````(!"1 !````ZP0``.<$```9!P``3%I&=1V_?OMW``H!`P'W( *D >M`^,"`&.": K M@ C((#L);S(U9C4"@ J!=6,`4 L#8P,`00M@;FM\(XL"J(*@0&1("!W#X -!4!)&6 (8&QD(&04;R $`" !D&ME(-1S= :09AA" >M9 ;@"Q$!&N!L:6=H=&QY\QK@`,!L; 20&I /@ .@%QT`&M #\&X:0'M\ A@'" :D!I09FD%0'QE80"0'%$+@!Z!'5)S^0JP8V4=\!U1`Z 9P &0SG : >MT &1!"!E=@20'&#^9@?1"X /< >1'X4;6!Z!>&5X= GP(W,=4@-083\'@!SR >M!4 =6!V!'+ @;\!C8W5P>2X1H!@@+00@?\(8!U#(\ `T 5 >M!X ?``APWQK0`' ;T0^ (/%O&S =6/\FLB"!)](84 .@&9$GT07 GQS ! `H >M\@# &L%A(!,`YF\@\!SA96T+42/@)/3A&G$Q+S$V'0`>C@NP2(<=QRA >M*2 #8'7') $"$!SA>7!I&% #(/\?\S"Q'L ;`!M&F(LX!U@;'YP'G(GT2:Q"($C<1UA2>Q#42? #\ _&+46A0% %1<2-!=0-1"# >MM\$)#'?!#`'!A9#YA->H7&!)B+J [&VDS7C8!0"T!(^ H@2T^M83F !!!A)Y!_/G,UYCX$/=$+$SX$`@!I$"TQ-#0VP6DQ.%XP`4 ,T$(3&4!& >M`V$ZO0R#8@_@.K 8<08`=P!P@0.@6U--5% Z#[!C'P`3`&%Y0 # `Q NHP0` >M%Q%D+FX/P%T8M;\90 9@`C!#IR;0"'!S.O#J>1WP2@!P=0K '& 7\ $=\#$Y >M.3@@.3J2,DG004U&YU1O0Z=F9PM@!!! 8C"0/O NQ06@;4;H=6)J/C%#IW\* >ML ) !)(LD3)!,,,/L&WQ0?!C:7(F< M@!< =E'\/0$ O03D]E#;H"\48PTF^ >M)QH@' `:P1Z!'P!K3P3_`W I$000! `!D"(@)((#MT 20?G,FL!FQ#X A@!YQ&+1G_U31) $HMB: +-$EE4:@(]#O&6 )X%44+.!C >M' !'@5@R_'0G,[)/6QBT)94N!@N ORDA)D @\ ,`3N$!H&]8HO<=81I !; N >M8. 91&+0#D?)V S >M'C(%0& !=24Q3K3_8&,',#,Q!)!B]04`.A!A=/\&X ) `W =\"DR!T!5MZR2P.4!U,[%T'? _@!Q@]#0U*2,Y#^ !``G"!"#_3 `9H5W5`B $@1I@*>(: >M<>\F`U?P*$4>%"XUZ%026*'_&D!&H$]-`U )X%AQ3"%.X7\*L$:@::!N$3#1 >M(#%L,FO_'B =D4[P$= A\BA3&+0) >MT7@@\"B 9L0:M,6$#\"["90)O*F\J$\$``7Z ``,`$! ``````P`1$ $````#`( 0_____T ` >M!S"@:JZB;2>]`4 `"#"@:JZB;2>]`0L``( (( 8``````, ```````!&```` >M``.%`````````P`"@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$(4````````#``6 >M"" &``````# ````````1@````!2A0``MPT``!X`)8 (( 8``````, ````` >M``!&`````%2%```!````! ```#@N, `#`": "" &``````# ````````1@`` >M```!A0````````L`+X (( 8``````, ```````!&``````Z%`````````P`P >M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$84````````#`#* "" &``````# ```` >M````1@`````8A0```````!X`08 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#:%```! >M`````0`````````>`$* "" &``````# ````````1@`````WA0```0````$` >M````````'@!#@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````.(4```$````!```````` >?`!X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B ``````P`--/TW```*9(4` >` >end > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Albert Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.1374.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Walter- I think this debate is one of the most interesting and valid in a long time! Thanks for starting it - it's this kind of = conversation that points out problems and maybe even creates new solutions. Not to mention that it teaches us to disagree without being disagreeable (most of us, at any rate!) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:30:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:29:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.15225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Right on Mike! - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Date: January 21, 1998 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Albert Lewis >Albert, > >There are a lot of pretty good glass artists on this chatroom and .... >guess what .... some of us actually sell some retail supplies as well. >So, where do you get off making us feel like bastards? > >This post you made to Walter Boatwright's comment about supporting your >local retailer was completely irresponsible. You're the Exec Dir of >IGGA, you're supposed to be progating the art, facilitating >communciation ..... er I guess that includes drawing lines in the sand, >huh? Because you're just creating a riff in a chatroom that has some >pretty good people in it. > >Show a bit more responsibilility in your posts, eh? Walter didn't >deserve the crap you threw at him, I think you owe him an apology >....... that's my nickle's worth. > >Mike Peck > > > >Albert Lewis wrote: >> >> > Support your local retailer. >> >> But only if the local retailer doesn't have to "order it for you." >> Many of them seem to think that they're "owed" sales despite the fact >> that they won't stock much in the way of supplies. Many of the >> so-called "wholesale-only" distributors quite regularly sell direct, >> so check 'em out. >> >> A >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:29:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:01:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.15150.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glen- I get your e-mail fine over bungi, but am again getting "noise" - 43 lines of gibberish after the legible post. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:16:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:12:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan22.231242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 15:03:36 EST, you write: << Bungi folks, does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada >> Yes, Glenn, your posts all come as downloads, and I have been unable to open them for some reason. Sure would like to read what you have to say! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:36:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Debate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:33:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.13318.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 13:46:20 EST, you write: << Okay, I'll go watch Oprah and Sally Jessy. >> Enjoy!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 17:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:47:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "SJB" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.154210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >charles wrote: > This is one mail order company >> that I will not allow you to lump with others. We are not money >> grubbing parasites living off your hard work, shipping out bad glass, >> and stealing all your customers --- > >> Sincerely, >> Marianne Warner > >Zane wrote: >Since they are not trying to steal our customers, may I ask why you are >located 5 hours away but feel the need to place a large ad in the >Pittsburgh area yellow pages where my customers will see it? Is this a >practice around the country or just limited to Pittsburgh? Not that I >would accuse you of being money grubbing parasites. What the Warner's are practicing is plain old good business. Competition is the foundation of the capitalist society. Folks should be glad to know that there are choices. Compared to my experiences in New England, WC is distinctive. They have the most extensive selection of supplies under one roof that I have experienced. Their customer service is great. The environment is pleasant and the shop is almost entirely self-help -- with the exception of large pieces of glass. While we have a couple of good retailers around here, most could learn a bit from WC's business. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 18:14:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:13:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:12:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.101252.0> References: <<1998Jan22.12149.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > Citronellol is also not quite as potent a bug repellent as citronella It is well understood that substances ingested are not harmful while substance inhaled can be deadly in fact. It stands to reason that if a chemical kills a bug, then that chemical in proper propotion could do damage to a human being. It also stands to reason that a gaseous substance being disappated in the great outdoors, would not be harmful to humans where as it could be harmful in an unvented area. Esp if your nose is only 18" away from the full force of the fumes with whatever other chemicals (lead) you are also inhaling at the time. ie. soldering. I am sorry if I am dense on this subject (and it is one that never would have occured to me to inquire about), but have you anwsered the question? Is it safe to use while soldering? I am sure the government agencys (?) have OK'd if for the use intended. Are there any warning labels on these candles, to instruct on their proper use? And how not to use them? Any chemical can be abused. I mean, these days instructions are so detailed they tell you how to open the bag the product came in, for pete's sake! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 18:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:37:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:17:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.21749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Yes Glen,I too get all your posts as downloads,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 18:45:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:41:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.24149.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-22 21:38:57 EST, you write: << Yes Glen,I too get all your posts as downloads,Judy >> Well Glenn I no longer am getting yours with "download" but I still get the posts from hounds that way. Thanks for your efforts. Now if I could just stop getting duplicates and triplicates of bungi posts it would be a perfect world (laughing at myself). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 18:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:58:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.165527.0> References: <<199801221727.JAA27811@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Carol, I've been lurking too long-I have had good luck with heavy duty aluminum foil (cooking type) wide rolls. Put 2 layers together in the approximate square size, then press all around the (oval, circle, semicircle, etc.) It will conform exactly to the shape of the window, making a template. You can then transfer to a heavier cardboard, cut on the spot and test the cardboard for fit before you leave. Saves a lot of measuring, re-measuring and going back and forth. Hope everything is going well for you. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Carol Swann wrote: > > I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have to > go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular > window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to get > an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter > across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I > wonder if this will be exact enough. > > I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how inexact > rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect > semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. > > It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. > > Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders > aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible > about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another > thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be > running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough > measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window to > pop into the space. > > I'd really appreciate all suggestions...I hate reinventing the wheel!! > > Thanks > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 19:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:10:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:11:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.141151.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19980122143655.0078c624@merle.acns.nwu.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Amy, Just ignore them. They are extra DATA characters for WinMail program formatting; and, some e-mail (as in Web-Browser mail clients like Netscape) don't know what else to do with it but to turn it into an attachment. Just think of the attachment as an unreadable electronic business card file that you don't have a program to view it with, okay? V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Amy Lansing wrote: > > Glen, > > So far I have 19 downloads from you that I don't have a clue about. For > example: "WINMAIL19.DAT". > What are they for? It doesn't slow me down at all, but I can't access > them. Amy > > At 11:36 AM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Glen, > >why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read > your > >responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to me > >and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini > >hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. > >Come on join the group back the old fashioned way > >:) > >deb > > > >Bungi folks, > >does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? > >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > Amy Lansing > Deputy Project Coordinator > Psycho-Legal Studies > Northwestern University Medical School > 710 N. Lake Shore Drive, Suite #900 > Chicago, IL 60611 > > Office: (312) 503-3500 > FAX: (312) 503-3535 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 19:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:16:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan22.11164.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Albert: Thanks for the update on SGGA's part for saving the stained glass industry. For truly it would have meant the shut down of stained glass as we know it. I was really being facetious since I live and breathe stained glass. Lead is toxic, no doubt; however, common sense applied to its use as well as most of the other supplies for SG should keep most folk hale and hearty for a long time. Anyone concerned should certainly have a blood test to benchmark their lead level and follow it up with periodic tests. Common Sense may keep our industry alive and well. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 19:22:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:21:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: help with hot shop Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:19:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980122191914.19a71dbe@oregontrail.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was sent a request for help from an engineer from Corvallis, Oregon. My computer crashed and lost the address and name. I believe the request came from someone that saw it on this board. If the person will contact me again, I will try to answer. doug terry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 19:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:21:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: "Douglas R. Terry" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert(sales tax) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:05:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980122190542.299ffee4@oregontrail.net> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk portland is near 400 miles west of here we get our sun and average 9-12" raina year At 05:52 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: > > >> frends: come to Oregon, we don't have sails tax!!! > >Yes, but you have lots of very cold rain ... I lived in >Portland for a few years and would rather have snow (which I get now >in abundance, of course). > >On the other hand, a former governor of Oregon called it "liquid >sunshine." Talk about spin! > >Albert > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 19:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:44:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1609630475-140 Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199801230344.TAA16702@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1609630475-140 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT "This was even better to not miss." Charles: Ego problems here? Funny, I didn't see your name in my response anywhere. If you refer back to one of your earlier posts, you basically said the same thing that I say in mine. And what makes you think I was even referring to Warner-Crivellaro anyway?? Jeez Charles, you must really believe that every retailer despises you. How sad. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio --WebTV-Mail-1609630475-140 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing,Albert's opinion,lanterns,lead filters,duplicate Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.112530.0> References: <<199801221526.HAA00327@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This was just too good to miss... > Do I like knowing that a customer may be purchasing from a discount > mail order company? Of course not. So I have to be creative in my > business by offering top notch service, discounts, and even a > toll free number...not only to take your order, How is someone else's mail order "better" for the stained glass industry than Warner-Crivellaro's? Why would someone slam Warner-Crivellaro for mail order sales while they are trying to build their own mail order sales? Sounds more and more like the "h" word: hypocrisy. Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-1609630475-140-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:17:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Fwd: Really big panel] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:10:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.41057.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hi Nadine, I don't know if you are familiar with using lead and or zinc in construction of any of your work ,but in this case I would suggest that you use either re-enforced lead or zinc in the construction, you can, if you have intricate patterns use some foil in the construction also ,I have combined methods many times in the construction of windows and entryways. When you use lead or zinc you get added strength from the cementing process. Also consider putting your rebar into the frame of the existing window for added strength, drill into the sides of the frame and insert the rebar into these holes and then solder it to the window itself. This not only adds the strength from the rebar but now you have the whole frame as support, and in entryways this also protects it from theft.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:20:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:17:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.41736.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glenn that test came in fine as frog hair no problem with that one (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:30:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Debate Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199801230430.EAA19682@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sure Dani, But that still leaves my "bum" Shall I put that one up too....? :-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani says: The hands are up, the feet are up. Now heads up, here comes Shirley! What a hoot! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:30:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: citronella Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199801230430.EAA19713@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey, VT Phelps, (have you got another name???) Having just taken up the challenge to use citronella candles as possible "flux", I enjoyed your meandering.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK :-> VTP wrote: If you read the labels, most of these are called things "Bug Bucket", Yard Lites", etc. and say nada about citronella. The reason for this is they are using extracts of citronellol which is chemically a cousin of citronella butit's a bit cheaper to grow plants containing it Citronellol is also not quite as potent a bug repellent as citronella either though. I grow herbs as a hobby and make my own herbal teas and such, so it pays for me to know a little about the homeopathic and chemical values of my plants befoer I use them in ingestable cocotions. Lemon Balm is among my favorites and contains citral AND cintronellol. (Citral oil extracts are VERY expensive.) Lemon Balm tea has been known to have been SO popular among the French that it became known as "the' de France" (or "tea of France".) WOW! sorry, I got carried WAY off subject here--apologies to all! :-> V ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:30:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199801230430.EAA19815@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Folks in USA, Much to my regret, I have not as yet had the experience (and pleasure) of wandering through the Warner retail creation. However, over 2 years now, their ethos and philosophy has glowed through their every word. Years ago, I obtained their catalogue very much through a "back-door", these days they virtually personally see to it that in the remote UK, I get my very own copy sent by them. (Reverently handled and examined by my many students, address carefully noted by them. What they then do, I have no idea. But I do hope that WC gets some sort of feed-back from my students Across The Pond) My own personal off-group correspondence with them has made me realize that these people take the serious supply to the stained glass artist very seriously and also very thoughtfully. My own experience is of people genuinely dedicated to promoting knowledge, pleasure and skills of stained glass. Charles and I have recently been discussing a possible trip to UK that he is "hatching". We are also trying to entice Marianne to come as well. I have already told Charles that I would be delighted to welcome them both in my home. I repeat this quite openly (and hope thereby to put Marianne on the spot!! ;-> ) No, I am not biased, but I DO recognize when something is really genuine. That to me carries weight. Having said this, I do also believe Stephanie at Delphie should not be left out of the equation. She has been quite silent recently, but I also believe that this is another service/retailer/mail order giving honest and positive help and service. Who posted the wonderful comment about "how about the retailer supporting his/her customer base, rather than the other way round. That really did sum it up. Only then can a right balance be established to mutual benefit. If you chose to become a retailer, part of your "business-plan" must INCLUDE taking the time-waster tolerantly along. There are 2 other very true sayings: The one who pays the Piper, calls the tune. and One dissatisfied customer will lead to a 100 lost orders. The problem with e-mail is so very often that one can easily confuse the written and the spoken word; one can easily forget to examine what was actually said/written. This is a fate often suffered unfairly by our dear Albert. As a part Scandinavian (of course!!) he is acutely aware of Language. He says exactly what he means and means what he says, but he does have a great sensitivity for language. Which is why - before you throw your bricks at him - do take a breath and actually examine what he ACTUALLY said....... Before you know it, you will see the twinkle in his eye and get the hang of his exquisite use of language. That the guy is fun and has a great sense of humour, I think most must surely agree. He also has got considerable insights and knowledge. So rather than THROW the bricks, lets build/construct with them. Far more positive. 4 o'clock in the morning in UK. I'm off to bed. So there!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK What the Warner's are practicing is plain old good business. Competition is the foundation of the capitalist society. Folks should be glad to know that there are choices. Compared to my experiences in New England, WC is distinctive. They have the most extensive selection of supplies under one roof that I have experienced. Their customer service is great. The environment is pleasant and the shop is almost entirely self-help -- with the exception of large pieces of glass. While we have a couple of good retailers around here, most could learn a bit from WC's business. Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199801230430.EAA19751@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi PJ, Creaking joints, maybe??? Just like myself, heh!! Take care now Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK :-> PJ: How about some nice scaffolding some 50ft, up, I don't do ladders that high anymore. Give me a nice scaffold and some real supportive planks. Only way to do it. And never never look down. Even when they are passing you that panel. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:36:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:35:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "V T Phelps" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: Citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.153635.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Shirley B wrote: <> > It stands to reason that if a chemical kills a bug, then that chemical > in proper propotion could do damage to a human being. <> You're right, this seems very reasonable logic to me also; BUT... <> > It is well understood that substances ingested are not harmful while > substance inhaled can be deadly in fact. <> just how many things I can think of that I CAN eat but NOT breath?? Lead is definitely NOT one of them! Hmmm, turpentine--no & no, roses--yes & yes, wood--not really eat & sometimes smell (as in incense,) pokeweed--NO eat & yes smell, well I seem to be at a loss on this part, but I'm quite sure it's due to lack of my brain function and NNOT lack of a possibility on this part... ...and you're right, I haven't really answered the question of inhaling citronella fumes, I just threw in a little extra info on citronella candles and their content. I think Albert has the right idea about asking Monono Rossol though. V T Phelps ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 20:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:58:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:55:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.155552.0> References: <<1998Jan22.101252.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > It stands to reason that if a chemical kills a bug, then that chemical > in proper propotion could do damage to a human being. <> Southernwood is a natural bug repellent so strong that even bess don't like it, but it's also used in European cooking and in homeopathic medicine to treat liver, spleen, and stomach problems. > It also stands to reason that a gaseous substance being disappated in > the great outdoors, would not be harmful to humans where as it could be > harmful in an unvented area. Esp if your nose is only 18" away from the > full force of the fumes with whatever other chemicals (lead) you are > also inhaling at the time. ie. soldering. <> If you are that close and getting the "full force of fumes... i.e., soldering" then you are not using proper venting/ventilation techniques to begin with even using regular zinc chloride flux wouldn't you say? > I am sorry if I am dense on this subject (and it is one that never would > have occured to me to inquire about), but have you anwsered the > question? <> I'm usually dense on most subjects, Shirley--but that's nearly always due to sheer mule-ishness on my part![Heeee-haw!] > Is it safe to use while soldering? <> Is zinc chloride 'safe' to use while soldering? Seems that would depend upon the precautions taken regardless of the flux used. > I am sure the government agencys (?) have OK'd if for the use intended. > Are there any warning labels on these candles, to instruct on their > proper use? And how not to use them? Any chemical can be abused. <> Nope, noone has ever been harmed by the fumes of a 'Bug Bucket' candle and brought to civil court for a lawsuit yet that I could find. (Though ANYone can be sued for ANYthing these days if you think about it...) > I mean, these days instructions are so detailed they tell you how to > open the bag the product came in, for pete's sake! > ---- Now they even give you destructions on how to CLOSE packages too! Complete with sticky strips to fold onto, and bendy-things attached like on my coffee beans! The above was purely brought to you as an alternate viewpiont--mine, and should only be considered for it's value (or waste) as such. Thanks! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:02:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: del2.vsnl.net.in!tspintl From: Anuradha Ahuja To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:33:02 +0530 Message-ID: <34C82484.7FBDDD69@del2.vsnl.net.in> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: TSP India Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:05:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123000409.00875970@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1998Jan22.74524.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is the first time your mail has arrived in my mailbox without an unreadable attachment! Thanks! Keep up the good work! M.-J. http://www.netrox.net/~mjtaylor/home.html In your words: > >this is a test deb, I don't think that I can simplify things here much more >without changing my E mail editor I'll send one via bungi as well. If you >refer to this refer as test B > >Glenn Spicer, >The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMR74 [SMTP:DMR74@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:51 AM >To: Glenn Spicer >Subject: BUNGI DOWNLOADS > >Glen, >why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read >your >responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to >me >and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini >hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. >Come on join the group back the old fashioned way >:) > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:19:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.171925.0> References: <<1998Jan22.74524.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn, I'm not having any problems with your e-mails...they're coming through as plain old e-mails. ?? Hmmm....diversity amongst the group....good at times...not-so-good at others. Glenn Spicer wrote: > > this is a test deb, I don't think that I can simplify things here much more > without changing my E mail editor I'll send one via bungi as well. If you > refer to this refer as test B > > Glenn Spicer, > The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: DMR74 [SMTP:DMR74@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:51 AM > To: Glenn Spicer > Subject: BUNGI DOWNLOADS > > Glen, > why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read > your > responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to > me > and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini > hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. > Come on join the group back the old fashioned way > :) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:21:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: citronella Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:23:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.162311.0> References: <<199801230430.EAA19713@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hey, VT Phelps, (have you got another name???) <> Yup, it's Valerie (Tydings Phelps) but I'll answer to a multitude of names these days I'm sure! > Having just taken up the challenge to use citronella candles as > possible "flux", I enjoyed your meandering.... <> Let me know if you try it and your results, k? If I had some I'd do it myself, but Kmart in Kill Devil Hills was out of 'em... Odd since we have mosquitos year-round here too! Valerie Tydings Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK :-> > > VTP wrote: > If you read the > labels, most of these are called things "Bug Bucket", Yard Lites", > etc. and say nada about citronella. The reason for this is they are > using extracts of citronellol which is chemically a cousin of > citronella butit's a bit cheaper to grow plants containing it > Citronellol is also not quite as potent a bug repellent as citronella > either though. I grow herbs as a hobby and make my own herbal teas > and such, so it pays for me to know a little about the homeopathic > and chemical values of my plants befoer I use them in ingestable > cocotions. Lemon Balm is among my favorites and contains citral AND > cintronellol. (Citral oil extracts are VERY expensive.) Lemon Balm > tea has been known to have been SO popular among the French that it > became known as "the' de France" (or "tea of France".) WOW! sorry, I > got carried WAY off subject here--apologies to all! :-> > > V > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:30:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:29:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Citronella Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.132915.0> References: <<1998Jan22.153635.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > just how many things I can think of that I CAN eat but NOT breath?? > Lead is definitely NOT one of them! Hmmm, turpentine--no & no, > roses--yes & yes, wood--not really eat & sometimes smell (as in > incense,) pokeweed--NO eat & yes smell, well I seem to be at a loss on > this part, but I'm quite sure it's due to lack of my brain function and First one that came to my mind, was glass dust. And how about aphestos(I don't know how to spell that one) Tobacco is more quickly dangerous if ingested. How about arsenic. It was the first antibiotic used to combat sphyllis. So in small amounts it is OK. Definitely not benificial, but tolerated and the body's wonderful liver can filter it out. I have heard stories of people ingesting fertilizer accidently in small amount and survive, but if accidently inhaled?? And what is mustard gas? The same stuff we put on our hot dogs. I always wondered about that one. I know of a lady who was cleaning her toilet and combined bleach with another cleaning product and breathed in the chemical reaction fumes and was dead 9 months later. That was 25 years ago, but I think she developed some sort of leukemia. We are after all, walking chemical factories. And if you find that hard to swallow just think about allergic attacks and all the different things people are allergic too. (Accurately the body works by three functions, chemical, electrical(and that is caused by the interaction of positive and negative ions from base elements) and mechanical) We take chemicals so nonchalantly. We don't consider fertilzers and cleaning products and stained glass products etc. as chemicals that can interact dangerously. (and then of course, what happens when you add electricity) My last word on this I swear. But the people that have the attitude that bad things only happen to others and thus don't take precautions, just boggles my mind! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:34:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:34:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.13341.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980123000409.00875970@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna could you take me off the list please... mthaxton@softcom.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:56:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: absurdity....re/flux Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 21:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199801230556.VAA03137@smtp3.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Not trying to open another can of flux........but Anyone ever get a chuckle out of the seal on the glass star flux? It is sealed for your protection. Like I suspect someone is tampering with it and it needs to be sealed.It already has a child proof cap, too. Also it has been tested and proven that if a 10# roll of solder is dropped from 10 feet on a mouse, the roll of solder will kill the mouse. Therefore we can ascertain that 10#s of solder can be dangerous, and multiple it by a factor of 10 and it is threat to humans as well. Alway glad we are being saved....... as an aside when the government saves us from micro-soft BUY more stock in the company. Case in point....the break-up of MA BELL to save us from a monopoly. My stock has appreciated a WHOLE lot. Also are any of a you serious stockmarket player? One does not live by lamps alone. EMAIL to me privately, as we do not want this to become an investment forum! enjoy, h -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 21:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:59:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Citronella Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.17044.0> References: <<1998Jan22.132915.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd., Roanoke Island, NC, USA Precedence: bulk Dear Shirley, My mistake, I didn't realize this was going to get quite so semantically *involved*, but since it HAS let me clarify please. What I SHOULD have stated was "...just how many things I can think of that I CAN SAFELY eat but NOT SAFELY breathe??" > > Lead is definitely NOT one of them! Hmmm, turpentine--no & no, > > roses--yes & yes, wood--not really eat & sometimes smell (as in > > incense,) pokeweed--NO eat & yes smell, well I seem to be at a loss on > > this part, but I'm quite sure it's due to lack of my brain function and Shirley Balloch wrote: > First one that came to my mind, was glass dust. And how about > aphestos(I don't know how to spell that one) (It's 'a-s-b-e-s-t-o-s', my husband's a building contractor and has to deal with it's removal on rare occassions.) These are NOT safely edible, lemon balm, southernwood, and lemon verbena ARE safely edible. > Tobacco is more quickly dangerous if ingested. This is NOT safely edible, and IS a carcinogen whereas lemon balm, southernwood, and lemon verbena ARE safely ingestable. > How about arsenic. It was the first antibiotic used to combat sphyllis. They used leeches too, and drilled holes in the skull, but that wasn't safe either. Arsenic is NOT safely ingestable, but lemon balm, southernwood, and lemon verbena are. > So in small amounts it is OK. Definitely not benificial, but tolerated > and the body's wonderful liver can filter it out. Lead ingested in small amounts is tolerable too, but definitley NOT worth the risks! > I have heard stories of people ingesting fertilizer accidently in small > amount and survive, but if accidently inhaled?? I'M talking about safely edible, not "survivable". > My last word on this I swear. But the people that have the attitude > that bad things only happen to others and thus don't take precautions, > just boggles my mind! If you go back through the archives, you may discover that I gave a rather horrendous account of the details of a friend's current downward spiral into death by lead poisoning and it's accompaniment of ailments. He did NOT take precautions to have the paint which he was pressure washing tested for lead. He did NOT wear protective garments, respiration equipment, etc. He is alone and has no health insurance or workman's comp since he was self-employed. SSI Disability and MediAid is his entire financial subsistence now. I wear protective garments, I use excellent venting and ventilation, I have, and when needed, use repiration equipment, AND get lead levels in my blood checked every 6-12 months. I am also FANATICAL about washing my hands and have extra-dried up skin to prove it! Bad things happen to us too. I am a 2-time cancer survivor and don't want to take any unnecessary risks with lead as I have been SO VERY blessed with another shot at LIVING! And that's MY final word on it! [for now... Stepping off of soap-box & into the flames once more...] > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 23:27:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:25:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: airmail.net!orbiter1 From: orbiter1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:25:31 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123012531.007e0bd0@mail.airmail.net> References: <<1998Jan21.23345.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Alison, I have been in the same position as you. I sell mainly through arts and crafts shows. I had to work hard to obtain wholesale accounts. So far, I have been able to obtain accounts with three different companies. I made sure to put together as slick a package as I could. I have the sales tax certificate, assumed name certificate, and business cards. In addition, I created a nice letter head on my computer and had some sales invoices preprinted with my business name. I also had some business checks printed with my business name. By putting together a slick package, I was able to obtain several wholesale accounts. Those companies that require a yellow pages ad I avoid. I do not want and cannot afford to pay for an ad. You might check out Houston Stained Glass Supply at http://www.hsgs@aol.com. I sell enough at the shows to call it a business. I am part-time since I have to work at full-time job to pay the mortgage, but I want to make money on what I sell, too. E-mail me at orbiter1@airmail.net if you want any more information. Shelley At 06:34 PM 1/21/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-21 17:24:11 EST, you write: > ><< Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't > allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no > storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use > the stuff? > > Albert >> ------------------------------------------------> > >Yes, what about someone like that? Sorry, Albert but you have hit one of my >buttons. I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to >purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a >resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards >and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a >storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my property) >I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL prices >for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very little >for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all >helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer offers >only a 10% discount. >Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope you >are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts obstacles in >the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. >There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully >profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I would,if >the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a year >than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I cut >back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who will >sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as >others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to >others who are in my position. >But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work >through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business >designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. > ~Alison~ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 22 23:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:35:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: airmail.net!orbiter1 From: orbiter1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:35:30 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123013530.007a2810@mail.airmail.net> References: <<1998Jan21.115031.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have purchased a fair amount of glass from W-C and have always had very good customer service from them. The quality of the glass has been excellent. I live within one hour of Dallas, Texas and the two glass shops that I knew about have gone out of business. Any others in the area are difficult to find. I have found few shops in the area. In addition, the times I shopped in the local shops, I was way overcharged and the service was not very good. Since then, I buy everything I need through mail order and have obtained the wholesale accounts I need to make my business successful. The local shops did not do anything for a small glass business. I have had good luck with the mail order companies that I have dealt with. Shelley At 08:15 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >Zane wrote: >> >> 1. No good glass is bought through the mail that I know of - >> there were some posts put up by Z on another board and he and >> Darcy got flamed like I have never seen before. But he was >> right on one point - glass should be selected by hand because no >> two sheets are the same except for Spectrum. > > >Just a note to let you know that . . . . >It is our policy at Warner-Crivellaro Stained Glass and has ALWAYS >BEEN OUR POLICY to only send out the VERY BEST GLASS to customers >who are not here to select it themselves. If we are down to the >last scraggly looking sheets that are not really representative of >the color and/or texture, it is marked out-of-stock!!! We receive, >on the average, about 8-10 letters a week complimenting the glass >that someone has just received. We want the customer to order again >and again, so shipping out the junk would be totally self-defeating. >We also urge customers to tell us what to look for when selecting >their sheets, so that if someone wants the grain straight or swirly >or if they want a sheet that is on the dark or light side of the >color -- ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SAY SO. Not to flame you, Zane, but >Warner-Crivellaro is not a robot run company. We are caring, >concerned, serious business people who love the stained glass business >and do whatever it takes to make our customers happy and satisfied. >Both Charles and myself have been doing glass for almost 30 years EACH >and even our phone order takers have explicit instructions to transfer >to one of us any phone call with a customer who has a question they >might not be able to answer. In addition, we have no less than 8 >employees who do stained glass and can help customers in the store! >I opened my first stained glass shop almost 25 years ago. Charles also >started a stained glass business even before that in another state >before we met. He is here at the office by 6:30 every morning and >most of our days are 12 hours plus. This is one mail order company >that I will not allow you to lump with others. We are not money >grubbing parasites living off your hard work, shipping out bad glass, >and stealing all your customers and I'm really tired of your tirades >on every chat line that imply that is what we do. If you want to >see for yourself, you are cordially invited to spend a weekend with >us. >Sincerely, >Marianne Warner >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 00:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:10:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: dos dat files done wit? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:04:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.16421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk So as Phelps says, ignore it, it's not important, and doesn't appear to take up a lot of space, it just perks the curiosity but I send no attachments to my letters to bungi, so it's just an empty box. now that I have said that Email that comes to me comes in all sorts and shapes, but most of it I can live with. You must remember that the problem could be that your reader is giving you the problem because many on bungi have no problem with the same messages. So unless we all go out and by the same programs, set the same way by the same techs, we will just have to live with it. If anything serious happens I'm sure I will find out. ps. glad to see the tempest in the teapot is almost over (I hope), and I thought that I got long winded on occasion, not anymore I don't LOL. just try and remain calm through all this and give opinions not slander. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada Vt Phelps said Just ignore them ( "WINMAIL19.DAT"). They are extra DATA characters for WinMail program formatting; and, some e-mail (as in Web-Browser mail clients like Netscape) don't know what else to do with it but to turn it into an attachment. 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I sell mainly through arts and > crafts shows. I had to work hard to obtain wholesale accounts. So far, I > have been able to obtain accounts with three different companies. I made > sure to put together as slick a package as I could. I have the sales tax > certificate, assumed name certificate, and business cards. In addition, I > created a nice letter head on my computer and had some sales invoices > preprinted with my business name. I also had some business checks printed > with my business name. By putting together a slick package, I was able to > obtain several wholesale accounts. Those companies that require a yellow > pages ad I avoid. I do not want and cannot afford to pay for an ad. You > might check out Houston Stained Glass Supply at http://www.hsgs@aol.com. > I sell enough at the shows to call it a business. I am part-time since I > have to work at full-time job to pay the mortgage, but I want to make money > on what I sell, too. E-mail me at orbiter1@airmail.net if you want any > more information. > > Shelley > At 06:34 PM 1/21/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-01-21 17:24:11 EST, you write: > > > ><< Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't > > allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no > > storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use > > the stuff? > > > > Albert >> ------------------------------------------------> > > > >Yes, what about someone like that? Sorry, Albert but you have hit one of my > >buttons. I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to > >purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a > >resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards > >and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a > >storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my > property) > >I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL prices > >for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very little > >for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all > >helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer offers > >only a 10% discount. > >Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope > you > >are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts obstacles in > >the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. > >There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully > >profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I > would,if > >the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a > year > >than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I cut > >back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who will > >sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as > >others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to > >others who are in my position. > >But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work > >through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business > >designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. > > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. > > ~Alison~ > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Could you give me the Houston Stained Glass Supply address again. Also , do they have a web page? I have searched and couldn't find it. Now for my 2 cents. I am in the process of putting together a business, a Home Studio if you will, so i can take advantage of wholesale pricing. I currently do custom work for a local studio, and part of my "pay" is a 20% discount. Given that glass has a mark up of any where beteen 250 and 300 %, every little bit helps. The glass I purchased for my last project retails at $14.95/sq. ft., wholesale on that same glass is $5.30!!! Imagine the profit you could make on items big or small, if you could purchase wholesale. But, wholesalers have a cost of doing business also. I agree that spending $700 to $1000 per order should warrent a major discount. The logic escapes me why me spending 1000 as a soon to be business, and the retailer spending 1000 for the same glass. The debate rages on. 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Cames --------------3C92C45C7B3BFEB1F41886B7-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 03:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:04:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyageur.ca!ace From: ace To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: E mail Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:19:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan22.151911.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please put us onyour e mail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 03:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:33:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:33:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.113314.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I too have the same problem. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 04:41:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:40:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: dos dat files done wit? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:39:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.123925.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glenn, this subject, "dos dat files done with?", came with the "download file", while the "Test" e-mail did not. FYI Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 04:49:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:48:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: VO5 Hair Conditioner? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.25053.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bungians: Now that things are settling down I have a question. Has anyone ever = used VO5 hair conditioner as a polish on their foiled work? Recent adds on tv say it can be used for many things besides taming your = hair, among them, keeping silver from tarnishing. I think I'll give it a = try on something I don't care if it gets messed up. VO5 is a non-water product in a tube and is the consistency of petroleum = jelly. Just thought I'd ask and I'll let you know how it turns out. Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 05:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980123082654.33473ee0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Glen, I have Eudora Pro, receive your posts with attachments.... I can read your posts but cannot open the attachments.... I delete them from my hard drive. This happens with all of your posts except this one...... In Eudora Pro, under Tools, Options, Attachments.... I can select to read text attachments in the body of the letter. I am sure that is why I can read your posts ok..... I At 11:36 AM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Glen, >why is it that all your posts these days are downloads? I'd love to read your >responses but I don't have the time for all the downloads that get sent to me >and then have to go back and delete them from my hard drive (I have a mini >hard drive) and downloading to disk takes that much longer. >Come on join the group back the old fashioned way >:) >deb > >Bungi folks, >does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? >Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 05:57:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:55:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:55:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801231355.IAA27590@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >- >Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 >(Tel:416-252-6868) >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass >supplier. > What is officially sanctioned??? And by whom? my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 05:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:58:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: airmail.net!orbiter1 From: orbiter1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:58:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123075810.007bacf0@mail.airmail.net> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980123012531.007e0bd0@mail.airmail.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rick, I obviously was 1/2 asleep when I wrote my e-mail response last night. I managed to combine the web address for Houston Stained Glass Supply with their e-mail address. Houston's web address is http://www.hsgs.com. Their e-mail address is hsgs@aol.com. This time I made sure to carefully copy it from their monthly newsletter. Sorry for the mixup. Although not easy, I was able to obtain a wholesale account by providing the following information: Copy of my assumed name certificate Copy of my sales tax certificate A voided business check Business card Preprinted sales invoice Advertising for some shows I had participated in. The advertising for the shows consisted of brochures and flyers. Houston will waive the $500 minimum first order if you can show them invoices from other wholesale accounts that you may have. Glass Crafters in Florida will also do wholesale and have been very pleasant to work with. Houston sells wholesale on a sliding scale. The more you order, the bigger the discount. You have to purchase glass by the sheet. If you order less than 10 sheets, Houston will charge a 25 cent per pound surcharge. The pricing is fair. I have no problem with giving larger buyers a larger discount. Houston has been very good to work with. I have had no problems. Their catalog is large and easy to work with (they put it in a three ring binder). After the first order, the order minimum is $75. Shelley At 04:46 AM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >orbiter1 wrote: >> >> Alison, >> >> I have been in the same position as you. I sell mainly through arts and >> crafts shows. I had to work hard to obtain wholesale accounts. So far, I >> have been able to obtain accounts with three different companies. I made >> sure to put together as slick a package as I could. I have the sales tax >> certificate, assumed name certificate, and business cards. In addition, I >> created a nice letter head on my computer and had some sales invoices >> preprinted with my business name. I also had some business checks printed >> with my business name. By putting together a slick package, I was able to >> obtain several wholesale accounts. Those companies that require a yellow >> pages ad I avoid. I do not want and cannot afford to pay for an ad. You >> might check out Houston Stained Glass Supply at http://www.hsgs@aol.com. >> I sell enough at the shows to call it a business. I am part-time since I >> have to work at full-time job to pay the mortgage, but I want to make money >> on what I sell, too. E-mail me at orbiter1@airmail.net if you want any >> more information. >> >> Shelley >> At 06:34 PM 1/21/98 EST, you wrote: >> >In a message dated 98-01-21 17:24:11 EST, you write: >> > >> ><< Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't >> > allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no >> > storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use >> > the stuff? >> > >> > Albert >> ------------------------------------------------> >> > >> >Yes, what about someone like that? Sorry, Albert but you have hit one of my >> >buttons. I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to >> >purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a >> >resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business cards >> >and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a >> >storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my >> property) >> >I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL prices >> >for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very little >> >for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all >> >helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer offers >> >only a 10% discount. >> >Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope >> you >> >are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts obstacles in >> >the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. >> >There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully >> >profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I >> would,if >> >the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a >> year >> >than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I cut >> >back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who will >> >sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as >> >others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to >> >others who are in my position. >> >But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their work >> >through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business >> >designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. >> > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. >> > ~Alison~ >> > >> >---- >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >> > >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >Could you give me the Houston Stained Glass Supply address again. Also , >do they have a web page? I have searched and couldn't find it. Now for >my 2 cents. > >I am in the process of putting together a business, a Home Studio if you >will, so i can take advantage of wholesale pricing. I currently do >custom work for a local studio, and part of my "pay" is a 20% discount. >Given that glass has a mark up of any where beteen 250 and 300 %, every >little bit helps. The glass I purchased for my last project retails at >$14.95/sq. ft., wholesale on that same glass is $5.30!!! Imagine the >profit you could make on items big or small, if you could purchase >wholesale. > >But, wholesalers have a cost of doing business also. I agree that >spending $700 to $1000 per order should warrent a major discount. The >logic escapes me why me spending 1000 as a soon to be business, and the >retailer spending 1000 for the same glass. The debate rages on. > >Rick - Window Art Glass Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 07:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:36:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:47:04 -0600 Message-ID: <199801231534.JAA00948@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> . The glass I purchased for my last project retails at >$14.95/sq. ft., wholesale on that same glass is $5.30!!! Imagine the >profit you could make on items big or small, if you could purchase >wholesale. Profit is good..... :-) I'd like to bring up another point that relates to your being in a position to buy glass at 5 instead of 15 while reading through the reams of mail about the business of the SG business (Aside) software that converts speech to text is interesting but where is the software that converts text to speech so I can listen to my email! there was mention about being able to select just the right part out of the right sheet. I have been fortunate to have access to large inventories of glass to select from and only pay cost. At those prices compared to what I charged, the cost of glass was never really a major consideration I just selected the sheets or part of the sheet that I wanted and cut it up with pretty much abandon. Whether it was 2% of the cost or 5% of the cost did not matter because the quality of the work was paramount and if I hacked up a sheet to get just that right part out of it........ fine. As was mentioned, just that perfect swearl or color transition or grain flow or flaw in just the right place is one of the major factors of a high quality professional project. It was a real bummer when I would talk to a talented glass person who contructed a panel or lamp that was well designed with carefully thought out color selection etc. who was restricted in their use of glass because they were unable to make it cost effective to use quality art glass or it was unavailable to them and instead had to use the boring dead stuff from that mega-corp with the name that starts with S. Do whatever it takes to get those wholesale prices! Its worth it. Build a quality inventory. Your work will take a quantum leap forward. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 07:56:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:55:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing -houston address Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.5530.0> References: <<1998Jan22.234622.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Could you give me the Houston Stained Glass Supply address again. Also , > do they have a web page? I have searched and couldn't find it. Now for > my 2 cents. > > I am in the process of putting together a business, a Home Studio if you > will, so i can take advantage of wholesale pricing. I currently do > custom work for a local studio, and part of my "pay" is a 20% discount. > Given that glass has a mark up of any where beteen 250 and 300 %, every > little bit helps. The glass I purchased for my last project retails at > $14.95/sq. ft., wholesale on that same glass is $5.30!!! Imagine the > profit you could make on items big or small, if you could purchase > wholesale. > > But, wholesalers have a cost of doing business also. I agree that > spending $700 to $1000 per order should warrent a major discount. The > logic escapes me why me spending 1000 as a soon to be business, and the > retailer spending 1000 for the same glass. The debate rages on. > > Rick - Window Art Glass Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass houstons address (page) http://hsgs.com/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 07:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:58:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: VO5 Hair Conditioner? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.55652.0> References: <<1998Jan23.25053.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Bungians: > > Now that things are settling down I have a question. Has anyone ever = > used VO5 hair conditioner as a polish on their foiled work? > > Recent adds on tv say it can be used for many things besides taming your = > hair, among them, keeping silver from tarnishing. I think I'll give it a = > try on something I don't care if it gets messed up. > > VO5 is a non-water product in a tube and is the consistency of petroleum = > jelly. > > Just thought I'd ask and I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass sounds kind of greasy. it may streak the glass. but the only way to know is to try. but before you do it on a project, get a piece of mirror and try it on that. i always use scrap mirror to try out new cleaners, it shows any streaks that i have the best. and as a side note, pledge (furniture polish spray), works really well as a wax, if you can stand it's original scent. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 08:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:00:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:58:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.55857.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980123075810.007bacf0@mail.airmail.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk orbiter1 wrote: > > Rick, > I obviously was 1/2 asleep when I wrote my e-mail response last night. I > managed to combine the web address for Houston Stained Glass Supply with > their e-mail address. Houston's web address is http://www.hsgs.com. Their > e-mail address is hsgs@aol.com. This time I made sure to carefully copy it > from their monthly newsletter. Sorry for the mixup. > Although not easy, I was able to obtain a wholesale account by providing > the following information: > Copy of my assumed name certificate > Copy of my sales tax certificate > A voided business check > Business card > Preprinted sales invoice > Advertising for some shows I had participated in. > > The advertising for the shows consisted of brochures and flyers. Houston > will waive the $500 minimum first order if you can show them invoices from > other wholesale accounts that you may have. Glass Crafters in Florida will > also do wholesale and have been very pleasant to work with. Houston sells > wholesale on a sliding scale. The more you order, the bigger the discount. > You have to purchase glass by the sheet. If you order less than 10 > sheets, Houston will charge a 25 cent per pound surcharge. The pricing is > fair. I have no problem with giving larger buyers a larger discount. > Houston has been very good to work with. I have had no problems. Their > catalog is large and easy to work with (they put it in a three ring > binder). After the first order, the order minimum is $75. > > Shelley > At 04:46 AM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote: > >orbiter1 wrote: > >> > >> Alison, > >> > >> I have been in the same position as you. I sell mainly through > arts and > >> crafts shows. I had to work hard to obtain wholesale accounts. So far, I > >> have been able to obtain accounts with three different companies. I made > >> sure to put together as slick a package as I could. I have the sales tax > >> certificate, assumed name certificate, and business cards. In addition, I > >> created a nice letter head on my computer and had some sales invoices > >> preprinted with my business name. I also had some business checks printed > >> with my business name. By putting together a slick package, I was able to > >> obtain several wholesale accounts. Those companies that require a yellow > >> pages ad I avoid. I do not want and cannot afford to pay for an ad. You > >> might check out Houston Stained Glass Supply at http://www.hsgs@aol.com. > >> I sell enough at the shows to call it a business. I am > part-time since I > >> have to work at full-time job to pay the mortgage, but I want to make money > >> on what I sell, too. E-mail me at orbiter1@airmail.net if you want any > >> more information. > >> > >> Shelley > >> At 06:34 PM 1/21/98 EST, you wrote: > >> >In a message dated 98-01-21 17:24:11 EST, you write: > >> > > >> ><< Agreed. But what about someone who's ready to buy all that and isn't > >> > allowed to because he/she doesn't have a Yellow Pages listing, no > >> > storefront, no business card ... just cash and a desire to buy/use > >> > the stuff? > >> > > >> > Albert >> ------------------------------------------------> > >> > > >> >Yes, what about someone like that? Sorry, Albert but you have hit one > of my > >> >buttons. I sell my work at arts and crafts shows, and have been unable to > >> >purchase supplys wholesale because, although I am in business and have a > >> >resale tax certificate, business registration in my state, and business > cards > >> >and I pay taxes on my sales to both the state and the IRS, I do not have a > >> >storefront or yellowpage ad. (zoning prohibits me from selling at my > >> property) > >> >I spend considerable amounts of money in supplies, but must pay RETAIL > prices > >> >for my glass , supplies, and tools. This means that I get paid very > little > >> >for my labor, due to my high costs of supplys. Wholesalers are not at all > >> >helpful or considerate of glass artists in my position. my retailer > offers > >> >only a 10% discount. > >> >Now what are people in my situation supposed to do? Even Warner's (I hope > >> you > >> >are listening Charles!) insists on the yellow page ad, and puts > obstacles in > >> >the way of glass artists (not hobbyists) purchasing at wholesale prices. > >> >There are many of us out here in my situation, and we are unable to fully > >> >profit from our work. As a result, I do a lot less glass work than I > >> would,if > >> >the situation was otherwise and I am sure that I purchase more supplies a > >> year > >> >than a lot of people who are enjoying wholesale prices do. This year I > cut > >> >back, and next year I will cut back more. If I do find a supplier who > will > >> >sell to me wholesale (without my falsifying or misrepresenting myself, as > >> >others have done) I will be loyal to this supplier and reccomend them to > >> >others who are in my position. > >> >But there is no support whatsoever to the glass artisan who sells their > work > >> >through any other venue than a storefront or residence with a business > >> >designation. I would really like to see some discussion on this. > >> > Thanks for listening to my "rant".....its a real issue with me. > >> > ~Alison~ > >> > > >> >---- > >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > >Could you give me the Houston Stained Glass Supply address again. Also , > >do they have a web page? I have searched and couldn't find it. Now for > >my 2 cents. > > > >I am in the process of putting together a business, a Home Studio if you > >will, so i can take advantage of wholesale pricing. I currently do > >custom work for a local studio, and part of my "pay" is a 20% discount. > >Given that glass has a mark up of any where beteen 250 and 300 %, every > >little bit helps. The glass I purchased for my last project retails at > >$14.95/sq. ft., wholesale on that same glass is $5.30!!! Imagine the > >profit you could make on items big or small, if you could purchase > >wholesale. > > > >But, wholesalers have a cost of doing business also. I agree that > >spending $700 to $1000 per order should warrent a major discount. The > >logic escapes me why me spending 1000 as a soon to be business, and the > >retailer spending 1000 for the same glass. The debate rages on. > > > >Rick - Window Art Glass Studios > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so far the stuff i ordered from houston i did'nt need any of the whole sale stuff. though i dunno if there are seperate wholesale prices. i think i got my ringsaw there for around $300 on sale. (i't also where i get all my box hinges). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 08:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:32:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert(sales tax) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:32:16 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk > friends: come to Oregon, we don't have sails tax!!! Yes, but you have lots of very cold rain ... I lived in Portland for a few years and would rather have snow (which I get now in abundance, of course). Albert: I also lived in Portland for a few years and would go back in a New York minute! Rain, yes, but you don't have to shovel it! Kaye Chicago ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 09:44:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:40:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980123113545.12d7d82e@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Be careful that there isn't any bend in the template or it can distort the size.... I prefer plywood for this reason, and rather thick stuff at that. = meg At 06:11 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Carol, > >The ONLY way I know how to do it as accurately as you are going to need >in order to keep travel time to a minimum, is to take the materials with >you to create an exact template of the window opening. Whether you make >out of MDO, plywood, matboard, acrylic sheeting, etc. you will need to >have the tools and such to whittle and shave it down here and there to >fit around a 'sway' in this part or a 'dip' in that, AFTER you have >shaped it up to roughly the proper geometric dimensions... > >Hopefully someone else may have an easier solution, but this is how I >work on fitted panels. I prefer MDO board or acrylic sheeting for my >templates. > >V T Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > >Carol Swann wrote: >>=20 >> I'd like to ask for some assistance from my fellow bungi members. I have= to >> go and measure up a window next week for a client. It's a semi-circular >> window that is in an opening above the door...what is the easiest way to= get >> an exact pattern size for this. I've thought about taking the diameter >> across the bottom, and also the radius at, say 45 and 90 degrees but I >> wonder if this will be exact enough. >>=20 >> I've done semi-circular free hanging panels before, but knowing how= inexact >> rectanglular window openings are, I'm not expecting this to be a perfect >> semicircle and am unsure how to deal with this. >>=20 >> It will be installed using plastic clips, rather than wood framing. >>=20 >> Go back to the part that says "over the door" and realize that ladders >> aren't my favorite place to be so I'd like to be as efficient as possible >> about this. (Yeah, yeah, so why am I doing glass...that's another >> thread...). The window is also a 4 hour drive from my home so I can't be >> running over there just anytime. I have to make sure I take enough >> measurements on site so that I am able to accurately construct a window= to >> pop into the space. >>=20 >> I'd really appreciate all suggestions...I hate reinventing the wheel!! >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Carol Swann >> Synergy Glass & Creative >>=20 >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 10:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Complexion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:16 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > There > are about as many Minorities crafting and selling as the percent of same > in the area where I live. Hmm. Okay, so it's me not getting out of the house enough. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 10:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead concern Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:16 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, Shirley, I couldn't find "leached" in my comments. But to answer your other question, it was agreed that there IS NO alternative to lead in the construction of stained glass windows. Albert > > The stained glass industry (read "Stained Glass Association of > > America," in not-always-willing-conjunction/association with certain > > individuals who are also members of SGAA but who espoused the "Our > > studio will take the responsibility for our mess" line of thinking) > > convinced Congress a few years ago that there was no reasonable > > alternative to lead in the construction of stained glass windows. > > > OK. What does leached mean? And are you saying there is an alternative > to lead? I tried lead free solder once (on a barrett I made cause when > I put those things in my hair, I always use my third hand; my mouth) and > it was horrible stuff to work with. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 11:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:34:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.93348.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It seems that two criteria - having a storefront and having a yellow pages ad - stand in the way of many glass artists = qualifiying for a wholesale = account. Am I correct? Well, we've already discussed the storefront issue, and the many people in our society moving toward working out of the home. Does this = qualification need to be reviewed by wholesalers? Shelley makes an interesting point = when she states that she does not WANT a yellow pages ad - and why would an artist who participates in 50 arts and crafts shows a year? A yellow pages ad for that person would serve no purpose except to attract unwanted calls. = It seems to me the best criteria would be to prove one could/would buy a designated dollar amount of glass and supplies annually - most of our suppliers require $2,000 per year minimum. Then would the wholesalers consider opening accounts for those artists who don't meet the other two qualifications? Maybe we're just talking about outdated industry = standards here that really need to be reviewed and possibly changed. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 11:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pattern making for semi-circular windows Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.93350.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Too, too clever, Lee! Thanks = for the tip! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 11:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:34:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.93335.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've always wondered about that = "officially sanctioned"stuff myself, pj! Thanks for asking. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 13:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.104346.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Don M. McDonald: >In my "neck of the woods" it also takes at least a year and a half to = get the darned ad in the yellow pages. They only publish the book = once each year, and you have to have the listing well in advance of = the publication of the new book. I guess that's what they mean by = the "first year being the most difficult."< Yes, but in my neck of the woods a copy of the yellow pages ad contract is just as good as the yellow pages ad itself. So while you are awaiting publication, send the distributors/wholesalers the ad contract copy and you should do OK. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 13:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Patina Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.104350.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sue in Michigan: >Thank you for all the good advice and tips I have just learned about copper patina. Our instructor told us before putting the patina on we were to wa= sh the piece with soap and water to remove the flux and then polish with the wax= , apply the patina and then wax again. Does this sound right in waxing twice? I can't seem to get a good color and love using the copper coloring in my pieces.= > The way I do it is: 1) wash piece with soap & water after soldering; dry thoroughly 2) patina immediately 3) wash gently (sponge) with soap & water to remove extra patina; dry thoroughly 4) wax Works for me. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 13:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:36:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > (Aside) software that converts speech to text is interesting but where is > the software that converts text to speech so I can listen to my email! No problem: Screen reader utilities take information displayed visually on the screen and make it available through alternative media, such as synthesized speech or a refreshable Braille display. Screen review programs often utilize configuration files (also called set files or profiles). These configuration files enable the screen review programs to work more intuitively with particular applications. found on http://www.inforamp.net/~access/txtmenu.htm Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 13:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:36:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 > >(Tel:416-252-6868) > >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass > >supplier. > > > What is officially sanctioned??? And by whom? Well, they *are called "fantasy in glass"! I guess they must be sanctioned by the Official Fantasy Sanctioning Board. (Oh, and before you-all at FIG go ballistic, you should realize that the above is a gentle, loving poke in the ribs.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 14:35:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:34:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:23:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.222357.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 14:36:55 EST, you write: << It seems to me the best criteria would be to prove one could/would buy a designated dollar amount of glass and supplies annually - most of our suppliers require $2,000 per year minimum. Then would the wholesalers consider opening accounts for those artists who don't meet the other two qualifications? Maybe we're just talking about outdated industry = standards here that really need to be reviewed and possibly changed. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- >> Dani, I couldnt agree more with all of the things you have said both here, and in earlier postings. Everywhere else, money talks. I think anyone who spends $2000 or more is worthy of a significant discount. All I can say to the retailers out there is that we know who you are and the games that you have been playing with us. Sooner or later, your business is going to suffer and we glass workers have very long memorys. Now that we have the internet we can talk to eachother and we know who you are. Warner-criv. is a great store.....but they do not make it easy for those of us who do our selling at shows to get wholesale accounts. I have spent thousands of dollars there with Warner, and that will soon stop. As soon as I arrange a wholesale accout elsewhere, I will bid Warner's goodbye. They may have good customer relations. campaign, and they are very nice people....but money talks!! The prices there are by no means "wholesale" to the retail customer, as someone here on Bungi said was stated in their yellow page ad in the Pittsburg area. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 14:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:45:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: yellow pages Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:31 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123164431.007ad340@mail.tznet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI! Just a note, I have had a yellow pages display ad for several years, here in the middle of Wisconsin. It reads:TOPP SHOP & GALLERY, Original Glass and Drawings, Custom Jewelry, with phone # and address: The only calls I get, are for.......Do you carry Terri Redland? . Also a very cute couple came in and wanted a print of a Buffalo! The ad was supposed to read "botanical drawings" Also, the first year they put me under ART: Corporate! At least this year they got me under Art: Galleries. Me thinks, I'm about ready to drop it. So goes my opinion. Would like to hear from others out there. By the way, I have been in business since 1969 here in the same location, no sign, just word of mouth, started with the enamels in the basement, finally took over the whole basement, and added a gallery on the side of the house. Did make up a lighted OPEN sign just before Xmas, and it did bring in customers. I live on a very busy street, about 5 blocks off Central. There is a grade school across the street, a Catholic High School, University Extenstion and a North Central Tech. school just up the street, so everyone eventually goes up 5th Street. Cheap rent and location too. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 14:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:44:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan23.22443.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 10:39:13 EST, you write: << there was mention about being able to select just the right part out of the right sheet. I have been fortunate to have access to large inventories of glass to select from and only pay cost. At those prices compared to what I charged, the cost of glass was never really a major consideration I just selected the sheets or part of the sheet that I wanted and cut it up with pretty much abandon. Whether it was 2% of the cost or 5% of the cost did not matter because the quality of the work was paramount and if I hacked up a sheet to get just that right part out of it........ fine. As was mentioned, just that perfect swearl or color transition or grain flow or flaw in just the right place is one of the major factors of a high quality professional project. It was a real bummer when I would talk to a talented glass person who contructed a panel or lamp that was well designed with carefully thought out color selection etc. who was restricted in their use of glass because they were unable to make it cost effective to use quality art glass or it was unavailable to them and instead had to use the boring dead stuff from that mega-corp with the name that starts with S >> Len, How wonderful to be able to cut up glass with abandon, getting just the right part of the glass out, and at a low cost..........sounds like glass heaven to me!!! As for the glass from that mega-corp.....here is the problem i am encountering with their glass and some of the glass from other companys. The glass I am seeing at the retailers is comming through with runners, pits, and other flaws. Good parts of it, that I am paying retail prices for, has to be discarded as unusable. Not only that, but with that "S" glass the color mix I am being offered is way off......with big areas of white running through the greens and other colors. Whether the retailers are buying this glass at bargain basement prices and offering it to us at inflated retail prices, or whether the company is sending it through that way ,is a curiosity to me. My small local retailer seems to have nothing but this junk these days.....and the quality offered at the larger retailer seems to be down too. Its really a shame when the glass artist paying top dollar for the glass is getting offered inferior quality glass on top of it!!!! I am just wondering if anyone else has been seeing this flawed glass out there too ??~Alison~ ok.......LOL, Im just about finished complaining about glass, for now ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 15:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:39:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: interactive.net!byrd From: "byrd" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: test Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.134441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD282E.F72D7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD282E.F72D7500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD282E.F72D7500-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: yellow pages Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:11:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.121122.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980123164431.007ad340@mail.tznet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Pat, where are you in Wisconsin? I'm in the Twin Cities and I tend to spend some time "wandering around" Wisconsin at some point during the "nicer" weather. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: onr.com!babs From: Babs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:39:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.123917.0> References: <<1998Jan20.111342.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Stacy.. Am a fantasy artist, have site in progress.. would be glad to loan some of my wizards if you will pardon the bugs..... http://www.moonlightstudio.com Barb If you dont care for what you see, holler , I'll be glad to try and help out.. Jim McAdam wrote: > Can you use the fairies book, and do a little changing around of the > design? > JIm > > stacyf@nh.ultranet.com wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have > looked at > > the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what > I'm > > looking for. > > Thanks, > > Stacy > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths > fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind > breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever > imagine > unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:42:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0401.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glen, Its funny how the one post you send asking about us having problems with your letters being downloads isn't a download and then all the rest are. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:42:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retail Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0407.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Deidra, Don't worry about the way you dress most artists have their own way of dressing along with their own style of art. I do the same as you do in ordering my materials, I would like to support the glass store in my area but I'm just not comfortable with it. Try a few times with ordering glass from Warner, Marianne was not kidding when she said that they try to be very helpful in selection, and all the glass I have bought from there I have always been pleased with. I did make a big mistake and ordered some glass from another source once and I found out much too late that my pinks and their pinks were not the same even when we were lookinga t the same book. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:43:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: BUNGI DOWNLOADS test B Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0402.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk glen, both these ame like normal mail, I don't know what is different about your other posts but I do know that once yours is a download all the responses to it have the same download added to it plus it gets bigger deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:43:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:43:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "No good glass is bought mail order..." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:39:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.03956.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Marianne Warner, It was so nice to read your letter about Warner-Crivello glass, even though you were just trying to defend your business. I have always felt like I knew that your business was run that way (almost like little elves running around), and now you have confirmed it. I would love to visit your place at some time because it is hard to picture how you do it so well. All the glass I have ever purchased from you has always been just what I expected, not like some I have ordered elsewhere. Keep up the good work, it seems like it might just come naturally. deb :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:44:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0409.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 16:42:18 EST, you write: > Before TSHTF on this thread which it very well might since I've provoked a > few folks already I'm sure > > I just want it to be clear that the main reason the I follow and post to > bungi is to encourage and help those glass people who are on the verge of, > or have moved into the area of design and commission work (leaded > preferred) . I can only speak from my own experience when it comes to the > practices of retailers and other levels of distribution of glass and glass > products. In my opinion the business does far too little to support folks > who wish to work at that level. The biz is geared to pushing product not to > fostering art and I have no problem with that..... but on the other hand if > I can help budding glass artists find a way through the maze then I'm > ready.... > > I do glass for fun only now..... so I can be as idealistic as I want :-) > > Len > Len are you saying in a nutshell.....LETS GET BACK TO GLASS ADVICE? deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retailers (was Glass Nuggets) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0409.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Shirley, I'm coming to your store! I like your attitude. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 16:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:51:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.85021.0> References: <<1998Jan23.22443.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk comming through with runners, pits, and > other flaws. I have had that problem too. Was surprized when I first started out. Was used to buying material. Flawed material is discounted or discarded. A couple of retailers I asked about it said that is the way it comes and offered no apology. The two dealers I questions, each go to the factory and hand pick each sheet of glass they buy. So I suspect they are at the same loss we are. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:02:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retailers (was Glass Nuggets) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:01:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.9128.0> References: <<1998Jan24.0409.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk DMR74 wrote: > > Shirley, > I'm coming to your store! I like your attitude. > deb > -- Don't you wish you could get in your personal jet and travel to the retailers on this list? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:08:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:08:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nh.ultranet.com!stacyf From: stacyf@nh.ultranet.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wizards or New Age patterns Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980123200145.0068e528@nh.ultranet.com> References: <<1998Jan20.111342.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am LOVING your web site!! Excellent job! I will be anxious to see the other pics when they're up. You've given me some great ideas! Thanks! Stacy At 06:39 PM 1/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >Stacy.. >Am a fantasy artist, have site in progress.. would be glad to loan some >of my >wizards >if you will pardon the bugs..... >http://www.moonlightstudio.com >Barb >If you dont care for what you see, holler , I'll be glad to try and >help out.. > >Jim McAdam wrote: > >> Can you use the fairies book, and do a little changing around of the >> design? >> JIm >> >> stacyf@nh.ultranet.com wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of any great wizard or new age patterns? I have >> looked at >> > the few books with some wizards in them, but they're not really what >> I'm >> > looking for. >> > Thanks, >> > Stacy >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> -- >> "I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths >> fluttering among the heath and hare-bells; listened to the soft wind >> breathing through the grass; and wondered how anyone could ever >> imagine >> unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:24:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!brunner_walker From: Deb Brunner-Walker To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.15216.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've been pondering building a bird feeder for quite a while now. Has anyone seen any patterns for them? I'm planning on using lead free solder so as to avoid poisoning the feathered friends. Is this a safe option? TIA, Deb mailto:brunner_walker@sympatico.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:33:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: VO5 Hair Conditioner? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:38:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.13382.0> References: <<1998Jan23.25053.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Linda, FYI, interestingly, this same sort of question, using VO5, just came up on the museum newsgroup. Apparently, "Hints from Heloise" had some major "hint" about using VO5 for almost everything - cleaning leather, silver (and to "keep tarnish away" I think) and a host of other possibilities. Our question theme revolved around (1) could it be good for the object (2) how might it be not good (3) is it maybe bad. This is because an overriding precept for object care is, sort of physician-like, first, do no harm. Apparently, they have no MSDS sheet info available. Most felt it was not worth the long term risk to the object, especially organics like leather, to try. I can't see that it would likely "hurt" stained glass inorganic materials, but..... i also don't imagaine it'd do much good - but then, we're often surprised about reality and life. what kind of "tests" are you going to do? i'll look forward to your results, especially the long-term. Linn Linda Campbell wrote: > > Bungians: > > Now that things are settling down I have a question. Has anyone ever = > used VO5 hair conditioner as a polish on their foiled work? > > Recent adds on tv say it can be used for many things besides taming your = > hair, among them, keeping silver from tarnishing. I think I'll give it a = > try on something I don't care if it gets messed up. > > VO5 is a non-water product in a tube and is the consistency of petroleum = > jelly. > > Just thought I'd ask and I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:34:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Albert Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.153324.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gee, Deb! I think we're getting/giving lots of glass advice. This just happens to relate to the business end of it and I'm sure tons of folks on bungi are enjoying it. Am I right? Best regards, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & STudios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: yellow pages Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.153339.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Pat- Maybe you're listing could be in a better category for what you do(?) We're listed under Glass-Stained & Leaded with a secondary (and free) listing under Art Galleries. Our primary ad is not a display ad, just a well-designed 2 inch in-column ad that stands out as much as the display ads. It doesn't make = sense for me to pay a significantly = higher price for display advertising with so few contenders in town - only ten listings and we ALL don't even take up half = a page in the book including display ads! (And this in a county of almost half a million.) I've convinced myself that if we had more shops, we would as a group be able to generate much more business for the stained glass = industry. At any rate, having the business listing validates you in a customer's mind and is priceless from that stand-point. And, I think the storefront serves much the same purpose. I suppose it all depends on what kind of work you're trying to generate. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 17:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:35:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: VO5 Hair Conditioner? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.134054.0> References: <<1998Jan23.25053.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Linda, sorry, forgot to add a suggestion for "tarnish prevention". There's a great product called Renaissance Wax, a microcrystalline wax that i've used as you're suggesting and i've been really pleased with results - and this is a great wax for anything you have to wax - lasts and lasts. Linn Linda Campbell wrote: > > Bungians: > > Now that things are settling down I have a question. Has anyone ever = > used VO5 hair conditioner as a polish on their foiled work? > > Recent adds on tv say it can be used for many things besides taming your = > hair, among them, keeping silver from tarnishing. I think I'll give it a = > try on something I don't care if it gets messed up. > > VO5 is a non-water product in a tube and is the consistency of petroleum = > jelly. > > Just thought I'd ask and I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 18:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:21:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: yellow pages Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:20:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123202012.007ba160@mail.tznet.com> References: <<1998Jan23.153339.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:33 PM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Pat- > >Maybe you're listing could be in >a better category for what you do(?) >We're listed under Glass-Stained & Leaded But I don't DO stained glass. Maybe I should be listed under gifts? >with a secondary (and free) listing under >Art Galleries. Our primary ad is not >a display ad, just a well-designed 2 inch > in-column ad that stands out as much >as the display ads. It doesn't make = > >sense for me to pay a significantly = Not really, they gave me a start up deal in price, but still don't think it worth it. > >higher price for display advertising with >so few contenders in town - only ten >listings and we ALL don't even take up half = > >a page in the book including display >ads! (And this in a county of almost >half a million.) I've convinced myself >that if we had more shops, we would >as a group be able to generate much >more business for the stained glass = > >industry. At any rate, having the business >listing validates you in a customer's mind >and is priceless from that stand-point. >And, I think the storefront serves much >the same purpose. The gallery addition did help, as it delineates business from the personal space. Thanks, Pat I suppose it all >depends on what kind of work you're >trying to generate. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 18:25:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:24:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:11:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.161146.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would suspect that alot of the pits and flaws you are talking = about are characteristics of that particular glass. Funny, we look = for that "human hand", that = individuality, when we hand-pick. Love those mouth-blown glasses for all the so-called flaws. I don't = want a sheet of art glass that looks like colored plate glass - boring. If you could tell us who made the glass, it would help to determine if what you're describing is a = normal characteristic of that type of glass- or possibly a real flaw. My' only real complaint is that our suppliers only stock a fraction of what's available from any given manufacturer- usually the most requested colors and styles. That makes it kind of tough from a = creative stand-point (and frustrating when you have all the sample boxes but can't get the glass!) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 18:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retailing Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:54:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.145459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: orbiter1 To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 8:02 AM Subject: Re: retailing >Rick, > I obviously was 1/2 asleep when I wrote my e-mail response last night. I >managed to combine the web address for Houston Stained Glass Supply with >their e-mail address. Houston's web address is http://www.hsgs.com. Their >e-mail address is hsgs@aol.com. This time I made sure to carefully copy it >from their monthly newsletter. Sorry for the mixup. > Although not easy, I was able to obtain a wholesale account by providing >the following information: > Copy of my assumed name certificate > Copy of my sales tax certificate > A voided business check > Business card > Preprinted sales invoice > Advertising for some shows I had participated in. > > The advertising for the shows consisted of brochures and flyers. Houston >will waive the $500 minimum first order if you can show them invoices from >other wholesale accounts that you may have. Glass Crafters in Florida will >also do wholesale and have been very pleasant to work with. Houston sells >wholesale on a sliding scale. The more you order, the bigger the discount. > You have to purchase glass by the sheet. If you order less than 10 >sheets, Houston will charge a 25 cent per pound surcharge. The pricing is >fair. I have no problem with giving larger buyers a larger discount. >Houston has been very good to work with. I have had no problems. Their >catalog is large and easy to work with (they put it in a three ring >binder). After the first order, the order minimum is $75. > > Shelley Yup... Real nice folks at Houston Stained Glass.. I buy about 80% of my stuff there... Good prices and its close enough to Dallas that the shipping doesnt kill me...... Byron... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 19:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:06:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.3626.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 21:25:50 EST, you write: << would suspect that alot of the pits and flaws you are talking = about are characteristics of that particular glass. The flaws I was talking about are deep dents or ruts in the glass, at times they are tear-drop shaped and 4 to 6 inches long.Sometimes there are marks that look like a zipper. The color flaws are big blotches of white in colored glass, instead of faint swirls of white , there are big areas or "pools" of white that make parts of the glass unusable. They are not supposed to be characteristics of the glass, but they are in there anyway, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 19:11:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: VO5 Hair Conditioner? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.17923.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What exactly is in VO5 - it seems to be just petroleum jelly with some after-shave smell. I think the = ingredients list would help determine whether is was harmful/helpful to use on any given object. Best regards, Dani Greer ( who is all too familiar with VO5 after a disastrous hair per= m two weeks ago!) Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 19:20:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:19:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!mfi__admin_at_mfi__exchange From: "MFI_Admin" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 19:21:39 -0800 Message-ID: <9801238856.AA885612099@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message is undeliverable. Reason: Unable to access cc:Mail Post office. Please retry later. Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from daver.bungi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Fri, 23 Jan 98 19:21:37 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:06:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.3626.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 21:25:50 EST, you write: << would suspect that alot of the pits and flaws you are talking = about are characteristics of that particular glass. The flaws I was talking about are deep dents or ruts in the glass, at times they are tear-drop shaped and 4 to 6 inches long.Sometimes there are marks that look like a zipper. The color flaws are big blotches of white in colored glass, instead of faint swirls of white , there are big areas or "pools" of white that make parts of the glass unusable. They are not supposed to be characteristics of the glass, but they are in there anyway, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 19:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:54:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Handblown Glass Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone --- Well my sister is going to take the plunge & open a Martini Bar (((: She is looking for handblown martini glasses at wholesale -- it will be an upscale bar and she is looking for distinctive glassware. 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Greer To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Albert >Gee, Deb! > >I think we're getting/giving lots of >glass advice. This just happens to >relate to the business end of it and >I'm sure tons of folks on bungi are >enjoying it. Am I right? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer = > >Greer Gallery & STudios >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 22:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:51:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!gmanning From: goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.205044.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only been doing stained glass for 9 mos, but truly love it. I was pleased when I found out about this list I thought I would get to listen to some good tips on glass, but since I have been here all I have listened to is fighting. Sounds like kindergarten. What a DISAPPOINTMENT!! Does anyone ever talk about glass?? Oh, by the way I buy most of my supplies from mail order as the price is better and I am an hour away from local shop and even with S&H I am still way ahead by mail order. I wish I was near a GREAT glass shop! I have ordered from Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi and have been very satisfied. Everyone that I have talked to at these companies have been friendly and very willing to answer any questions that I have had. Thanks Goldpaws Hug a dog, it will make you a nicer person. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 23 23:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:45:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:44:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan23.154414.0> References: <<1998Jan23.15216.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk There are humming bird feeder kits available. Glass Crafers has them I think. I have seen them done. Someone had made three nondescript red flowers using the came method. They got a kooler bottle(that where the red fluid goes) and wraped these flowers around the bottle and then solder the flowers together so that they are the hanger for the kooler bottle. Then there is this cork with a curved glass tube going through it that you stick in the end of the bottle and wah-la. A humming bird feeder. I have seen just the cork with glass tube sold at speciality gift shops and garden centers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 02:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:16:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Please Read....To anyone that will listen.. Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.01826.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Deb, I have ordered from Warner, at first I wasn't pleased, then I got a call from a customer service rep.(I sent email and was very surprised I got a response) The CSRep was very helpful and we got the problem taken care of.As for the glass I ordered, it was better glass than I could have purchased at the local store(quality,texture,and color)The local place doesn't have much of a selection. I still don't feel comfortable going there....the damage has been done.... As for the way I dress...it is a very unique way(not grungy or disrespectful) I try to make a statement with everything I do(for everything in life is not without purpose)....for the people that will look the other way for what I'm wearing are not people I want to be around...This is just the first time I've got this kind of reaction (it was very interesting to me,stereotypes and such...I could go and on..) But I won't.....talk is about glass and not human nature...I would like to touch on one other thing....attitudes.....like other glass chat places I've been to (I'm new to bungi) it's frightening to ask a question...everyone debates on how to do this or that....I was told that everyone creates their own style of doing glass (whatever works for him/her) I would love if everyone could state their own experiences without someone telling them they're wrong...(what works for one might not work for another) I'm rambling! Sorry, I could sit here all night writing(maybe I should write that book I've been thinking about,huh?) Please..this is but one opinion in a sea of many..not meant upset anyone or open any cans of worms... Deidra -----Original Message----- From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Retail >Deidra, >Don't worry about the way you dress most artists have their own way of >dressing along with their own style of art. I do the same as you do in >ordering my materials, I would like to support the glass store in my area but >I'm just not comfortable with it. Try a few times with ordering glass from >Warner, Marianne was not kidding when she said that they try to be very >helpful in selection, and all the glass I have bought from there I have always >been pleased with. I did make a big mistake and ordered some glass from >another source once and I found out much too late that my pinks and their >pinks were not the same even when we were lookinga t the same book. >deb >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 02:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:25:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.0283.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from them..... Deidra -----Original Message----- From: goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 1:50 AM Subject: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! >I have only been doing stained glass for 9 mos, but truly love it. I was >pleased when I found out about this list >I thought I would get to listen to some good tips on glass, but since >I have been here all I have listened to is fighting. >Sounds like kindergarten. >What a DISAPPOINTMENT!! >Does anyone ever talk about glass?? >Oh, by the way I buy most of my supplies from mail order as the price is >better and I am an hour away from local shop and even with S&H I am >still way ahead by mail order. >I wish I was near a GREAT glass shop! >I have ordered from Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , >Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi and have been very satisfied. Everyone that I >have talked to at these companies have been friendly and very willing >to answer any questions that I have had. >Thanks >Goldpaws >Hug a dog, it will make you a nicer person. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 04:32:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:31:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:42:59 -0600 Message-ID: <199801241229.GAA14978@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -> How wonderful to be able to cut up glass with abandon, getting just the >right part of the glass out, and at a low cost..........sounds like glass >heaven to me!!! I think every glass artist should have the same opportunity. Having to fret about the cost of material has to be a handicap... IMHO Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 05:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:05:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:04:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.1348.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Glen, I too get all your posts as downloads and can't retrieve them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 05:09:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:51:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.12514.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 05:26:50 EST, you write: << Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from them..... Deidra >> Hi Deidra! Yes I have ordered from Meredith and they were wonderful. Sometimes they slip from my mind because I don't get the flyers from them I do the others. I basically need to order from whoever I can get the best price on my entire order. As far as the debate going on I am getting alot from it. The points about how difficult it is to get started in a small business and the lack of support from the local retailers has some merit. The wholesale companies make it more difficult that anyone with all of their requirements, money doesn't necessarily talk to them if you don't have the necessary telephones, banking accounts, etc.... The debates on bungi get quite lively, but your right there is more than one way to do things and sometimes they all work equally well, but not always. I'm waiting to hear how many people start using unconstitued lemon juice for flux or VO5 for polishing and what results they have. When the personal attacks start just delete the post, although it is sometimes difficult to stay out of (LOL). I would be interested in knowing about these clothes you wear to your local retailer that has created such a reaction. I think making personal statements are made by all of us in the way we dress, but since this is not glass related it you might want to e-mail me privately (Whispy Blu@aol.com) so as not to stir up things (LOL). Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 05:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:11:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.131119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 07:33:54 EST, you write: << Having to fret about the cost of material has to be a handicap... IMHO Len >> Let there be no doubt in your mind that it is a handicap. I would love to use the more expensive glass but when it comes down to paying the mortgage, electric bill, etc.... or buying art glass vs. Spectrum unfortunately I have to be responsible - although I like the things I have made with Spectrum as well as what I have made with the more expensive glass. I could very well be wrong in my next statement but shoot it won't be the first or last time I am. It doesn't make sense to me to use the same glass to make a lamp that Howard does. I don't have the experience, technique, knowledge that he does so while I am learning all of those things why not use spectrum, or some other. I certainly am not going to sell those first lamps because they are not the quality I want associated with my name, so they will "hang around" family and friends homes, along with mine as they get done. So Len let me end this with most of us have to work within some kind of budget, except those born into money, and I hope those bungians that can afford the expensive glass can be tolerant of us who can't always buy what we want. IMHO Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 05:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:20:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:20:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.132029.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 08:12:52 EST, you write: << So Len let me end this with most of us have to work within some kind of budget, except those born into money, and I hope those bungians that can afford the expensive glass can be tolerant of us who can't always buy what we want. IMHO Lu Ann >> This is to clarify the above statement. I did NOT mean that everyone who uses the expensive glass was born into money. There is absolutely no doubt that many have worked long and hard to be able to afford it. I am not trying to open another can of worms or to be misinterpreted. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 06:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:30:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retailers (was Glass Nuggets) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:33:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.23321.0> References: <<1998Jan23.9128.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > DMR74 wrote: > > > > Shirley, > > I'm coming to your store! I like your attitude. > > deb > > > -- > Don't you wish you could get in your personal jet and travel to the > retailers on this list? Shirley, You can bet that after all this retail bashing ...... ANYONE on this list with any travel plans in their near future will seek us out! Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass (15 minutes East of Kansas City in beautiful and historic Lee's Summit, from I-70 take 291 South to 50 Highway, go West 1 1/2 mile to 3rd Street exit, then go one block to Blue Parkway and 2nd Street ..... we're right there on the corner!) Seriously folks, I love to have any of you out to show off my shop, my work, .... and my prices. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 06:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:36:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:39:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.23918.0> References: <<1998Jan23.205044.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk goldpaws wrote: > > I have only been doing stained glass for 9 mos, but truly love it. I was > pleased when I found out about this list > I thought I would get to listen to some good tips on glass, but since > I have been here all I have listened to is fighting. > Sounds like kindergarten. > What a DISAPPOINTMENT!! > Does anyone ever talk about glass?? Hang in there "goldpaws". This is by far the best glass chatline available on the net. And, many are showing that they are at their best when tempers flair. Big thanks to Dave and Glenna for letting the tempest run its course! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 07:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:09:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: "Glass list" Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:19:48 -0600 Message-ID: <199801241506.JAA01819@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ->Let there be no doubt in your mind that it is a handicap. I would love to use >the more expensive glass but when it comes down to paying the mortgage, >electric bill, etc.... or buying art glass vs. Spectrum unfortunately I have >to be responsible - although I like the things I have made with Spectrum as >well as what I have made with the more expensive glass. I could very well be >wrong in my next statement but shoot it won't be the first or last time I am. I understand what your saying LuAnn but we are speaking from a different context My comments were aimed at glass folks who are currently, or who are attempting to make part or all of their income from producing glass art. If you can get the wholesale price it gives you the option of using higher quality materials or making more profit using lesser materials and I highly doubt that a glass artist would be inclined towards the latter. >It doesn't make sense to me to use the same glass to make a lamp that Howard >does. I don't have the experience, technique, knowledge that he does so while >I am learning all of those things why not use spectrum, or some other. I >certainly am not going to sell those first lamps because they are not the >quality I want associated with my name, so they will "hang around" family and >friends homes, along with mine as they get done. I agree to a certain point, but as your skills improve I would try and move into using art glass as soon as it is realistic especially with Tiffany style lamps which are one of the most labor intensive projects in a labor intensive craft. I judged a few county fair glass exhibits and at one I gave the blue to a very skillfully fabricated well designed shade but it was constucted from the "S" glass This person "spent" many many hours of her time but did not "spend" for the glass. I asked her about it and she said since she had to buy at retail she felt the outlay was too much. I told her she did beautiful work and suggested that since she "spent" so many hours on the project that "spending" for the glass would have elevated her shade to a very high level. In fact I suggested it would have commanded a far higher price should she have wanted to sell and she would have recouped her investment by using art glass, even at retail, and then some. Heck, it was a great shade I might have bought it myself if I could afford it. There really isn't a lot of sq footage of glass in a shade after all. So Len let me end this with >most of us have to work within some kind of budget, except those born into >money, Well I don't have any money to speak of either but I had a bit of a reputation for making good panels, and I charged appropriately which allowed me the luxury of not scrimping on materials which helped make my work even better which allowed me to charge even more which allowed me to cut up glass with abandon and so on and so on.... kind of an "unvicious circle" :-) Take Care Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 07:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles Warner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.5952.0> References: <<1998Jan23.22443.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Warner-Crivellaro Precedence: bulk > As for the glass from that mega-corp.....here is the problem i am > encountering with their glass and some of the glass from other > companys. The glass I am seeing at the retailers is comming through > with runners, pits, and other flaws. Good parts of it, that I am > paying retail prices for, has to be discarded as unusable. Not only > that, but with that "S" glass the color mix I am being offered is > way off......with big areas of white running through the greens and > other colors. Whether the retailers are buying this glass at > bargain basement prices and offering it to us at inflated retail > prices, or whether the company is sending it through that way ,is > a curiosity to me. At W-C we haven't noticed an increase in the number of these "flaws". We had one complaint a month ago about "flaws" but that glass looked the same as any other glass we received in recent memory. Would you really want perfectly smooth glass? As for Spectrum they have "transitional glass" or "t" glass, you can probably read about it on their web site. This glass is different only in that the color doesn't match the standard Spectrum colors. The mixing of colors and everything else should be the same as standard Spectrum. This "t" glass is sold at a significant discount to Spectrum distributors and Spectrum distributors are required to sell it as "t" glass, Spectrum will drop a distributor that sells it as standard Spectrum glass. Someone that is not a Spectrum distributor might sell it as standard glass but that would be self defeating since it can't be color matched with a later shipment. This glass is only good for projects in which color matching is not important or if you can purchase a large enough quantity at one time to complete your project. The best thing to do if you feel you are being sold poor quality glass is to shop around. There can't be so much poor quality glass that everyone sells it. Alison - If you would like our opinion if this glass is faulty or different then "standard" send us a sample. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 07:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:10:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANL Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: update on large panel construction Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:10:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.15101.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk THANKS to all of those who sent suggestions on my "large panel construction" question! I now have a lovely set of replies that I studied and will be able to use for reference, and that have already helped me with this couple. I thought I'd let you know how my meeting with them last week turned out. (Just as a reminder, they wanted a 3'x4' panel framed in zinc and hung in an opening.) Me: (starting into a long, carefully rehearsed speech) I don't recommend that you hang this panel, because the weight will likely to cause it to sag at the bottom ... Him: (interrupting) Well, you don't have to worry about that because we're not going to hang it -- it'll be sitting on the window frame. Her: (surprised) We're NOT going to hang it? Him: Of course not. We never intended to hang it. Obviously, my dealings with them up to then had been with HER, not HIM. So a lot of this problem has gone away! At least I learned a lot in the process -- and I'll use that to good advantage in framing it and reinforcing it properly. And another thing I learned: talk to both halves of the couple from the get-go! - Marilyn ANLGlass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 07:44:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 10:40:56 EST Message-ID: <980124.104214.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Jan23.154414.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think I've seen a pattern for a hummingbird feeder. Might be on the Vicki Payne page. Nope, don't have the URL, but shouldn't be too hard to seach on her name. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 07:56:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:56:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Monster Metals Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 10:49:50 EST Message-ID: <980124.105530.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A little while ago (3-4 months) i constructed a Monster Metals angel. It's the one with the pointed bottom. (I may have mentioned it then, since I was a bit confused about how to hang it, but the MM people were happy to answer my questions) Anyway, if you look at pictures of these items, you will notice that they are often painted. I didn't quite like that look - though some of you may. I decided to try using Rub 'n' Buff (gold) on the metal. It is quite attractive, but I suspect if the item is handled quite a bit, it'll wear off. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 08:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:04:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.6453.0> References: <<980124.104214.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > > I think I've seen a pattern for a hummingbird feeder. Might be on > the Vicki Payne page. Nope, don't have the URL, but shouldn't be > too hard to seach on her name. > Dorothy K > > -- > Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 > UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 > HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's at http://www.foryourhome.com/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 08:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:10:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:05:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.16514.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 10:10:50 EST, you write: << I understand what your saying LuAnn but we are speaking from a different context >> I don't think we are Len. I am "one of those glass folks" who is attempting to make part of my income from producing art glass, but at this moment I am having to buy from retail stores/companies. I have gone to great time and expense, in my opinion, to jump through the hoops of the wholesale companies (the applications to them are currently being completed). While I was spending the money to have a separate building from my home built and then the separate phone line, business checking account, etc....... I couldn't afford the more expensive glass and it still doesn't make sense to me to use it when I am just learning tiffany lamp skills. My main objective is to be able to have a storefront, and do all that goes with it, but for now I have to build my custom business anyway I can. That means doing the craft shows with suncatchers, panels, stepping stones, etc.... and using the less expensive glass. I have had a few orders for different panels and windows that have allowed me to use more expensive and beautiful glass but those, unfortunately, have not been where most of my money to continue to build my business have come from. I have found word-of-mouth is going well and is producing some business. I am not in the position yet to say no to someone who wants something but has x amount of money to spend. So Len maybe this has better explained where I am coming from. I have the utmost respect for those of you who are already established and the imput you give to bungi. I have learned a great deal from you. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 08:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:23:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles Warner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mail Order and Egos Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.62253.0> References: <<199801230344.TAA16702@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Warner-Crivellaro Precedence: bulk > Ego problems here? Funny, I didn't see your name in my response > anywhere. > If you refer back to one of your earlier posts, you basically said the > same thing that I say in mine. > And what makes you think I was even referring to Warner-Crivellaro > anyway?? > Jeez Charles, you must really believe that every retailer despises > you. > How sad. > > Andrew Tillinghast > Neoglassic Studio Egos don't come into play here at all. What I was questioning was the reaction of some people to jump all over any mail order company for providing its catalog while at the same time trying to get a mail order business for themselves off the ground. This is where we start to wonder why it is okay for others to do mail order, but not W-C? If a retail store owner decides that it may help business to become mail order, so be it and good luck to them. We've gotten to where we are not through just providing a catalog and "wholesale to the public prices" but also through hard work, service, and creativity. Any Bungian that has dealt with our company has had nothing but positive comments about our customer service, and as we all know service is essential to any business. I won't go beating a dead horse about the product lines and ideas we've introduced over the years, but that's how our creativity has helped shape the stained glass business throughout the years, from which retail stores make profits as well. And no, we don't believe every retailer despises us. Probably most of W-C's customers are retail store owners, they just aren't as visible as retail customers. It's the handful of retail store owners who do despise us that continually drag our name through the mud. At times, we've seen postings on the web that have been derogatory and untrue. Be it jealousy over our success, paranoia over our long-term plans, or just needing a whipping boy for their own failings, the case still remains that people speak what they feel is the truth, often without finding out what the truth really is. And by the way the truth is it is more important to Warner-Crivellaro that other retail stores are successful than it is to you. Our business depends on their success otherwise they will have no need to purchase and resell our many products, if you have a retail store than you probably sell our products and know what I am writing about. To Warner-Crivellaro this is not politics or trying to build a power base to be in politics. Building up other retail stores is a part of W-C's business. I welcome retail store owners to my business, we have helped other retail store owners set up shops, we design product lines with an eye to getting new people into stained glass. At GlassVisions we plan to have some demonstrations on profit making ideas and promotions retail stores can do to improve their business. Retail store owners from all over the world come to W-C while looking for ideas, Marianne and I spend days at a time with them and we never even consider if they will compete with W-C because what they will do if they try to, is increase the size of the market for everyone which will increase W-C's sales anyway. In short none of W-C's efforts have the purpose of limiting anyone, forcing anyone to raise prices, or pressuring manufacturers not to sell to someone because they are politically incorrect. What can we do to increase the overall size of the market? That is the focus of Warner-Crivellaro. Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 08:42:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:42:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: <199801241635.IAA08962@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Deidra, I have used Warner and Delphi for glass and love them both for their great service (especially WC!). But I am wondering now about Meredith Glass. Are their prices and/or selection any better than WC and D? Do you have an address for them? Are they on the net (I was unable to find them). Thanks. Jean ---------- > From: Deidra Smalldridge > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 2:28 AM > > Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , > Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... > Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from > them..... Deidra ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 08:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:55:03 -0800 Message-ID: <199801241648.IAA09223@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SpectrumGlass also has the pattern for the Hummingbird feeder. Their home page is; www.spectrumglass.com/index.html To go directly to their pattern page www.spectrumglass.com/PattSet.html (set #9 includes the HB feeder) Good Luck, Jean ---------- > From: M. Savad > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 8:04 AM > > HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > > > > I think I've seen a pattern for a hummingbird feeder. Might be on > > the Vicki Payne page. Nope, don't have the URL, but shouldn't be > > -- > > Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 > > UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 > > HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu > > ---- > > > it's at http://www.foryourhome.com/ > Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 09:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:01:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.65949.0> References: <<199801241635.IAA08962@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote: > > Hi Deidra, > I have used Warner and Delphi for glass and love them both for their great > service (especially WC!). But I am wondering now about Meredith Glass. Are > their prices and/or selection any better than WC and D? Do you have an > address for them? Are they on the net (I was unable to find them). Thanks. > Jean > > ---------- > > From: Deidra Smalldridge > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! > > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 2:28 AM > > > > Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , > > Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... > > Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from > > them..... Deidra > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass mederdith's address: http://www.meredithglass.com/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 09:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:53:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.7550.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You can find her at www.foryourhome.com -----Original Message----- From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders >I think I've seen a pattern for a hummingbird feeder. Might be on >the Vicki Payne page. Nope, don't have the URL, but shouldn't be >too hard to seach on her name. >Dorothy K > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:00:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199801241753.JAA11658@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thx Mike. Another vendor on the East Coast, too bad. Aren't there any on the WEST coast that do mail order? Shipping expenses are SO high! I thought I had heard of one in Washington, but have not been able to find them. Anyone have any ideas? Jean ---------- >Mike wrote: > > mederdith's address: http://www.meredithglass.com/ > > ---Mike Savad > >Mike's Stained Glass ----------------- > > Jean wrote: Do you have an address for Meredith? Are they on the net (I was unable to find them). Thanks. > > Jean > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:02:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:04:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.8437.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jean, Delphi I haven't tried.....W-C I can't get a catalog to see what selection they have other than what's on the net. As for Meredith glass they are on the net and you can request a catalog(free). I was very happy with their selection. You can find them at www.meredithglass.com Deidra -----Original Message----- From: Jean To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 11:40 AM Subject: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! >Hi Deidra, >I have used Warner and Delphi for glass and love them both for their great >service (especially WC!). But I am wondering now about Meredith Glass. Are >their prices and/or selection any better than WC and D? Do you have an >address for them? Are they on the net (I was unable to find them). Thanks. >Jean > >---------- >> From: Deidra Smalldridge >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! >> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 2:28 AM >> >> Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , >> Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... >> Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from >> them..... Deidra > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:06:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:05:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.8755.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:30 AM Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass > >-> How wonderful to be able to cut up glass with abandon, getting just >the >>right part of the glass out, and at a low cost..........sounds like glass >>heaven to me!!! > >I think every glass artist should have the same opportunity. Having to fret >about the cost of material has to be a handicap... IMHO > >Len > > >I do too.....an artist shouldn't be limited. > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.81344.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I want to start a small business in glass, but like everyone else I'm getting roadblocked....I will email you in the near future...gotta run.. Deidra -----Original Message----- From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! >In a message dated 98-01-24 05:26:50 EST, you write: > ><< Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from > them..... Deidra >> > >Hi Deidra! >Yes I have ordered from Meredith and they were wonderful. Sometimes they slip >from my mind because I don't get the flyers from them I do the others. I >basically need to order from whoever I can get the best price on my entire >order. As far as the debate going on I am getting alot from it. The points >about how difficult it is to get started in a small business and the lack of >support from the local retailers has some merit. The wholesale companies make >it more difficult that anyone with all of their requirements, money doesn't >necessarily talk to them if you don't have the necessary telephones, banking >accounts, etc.... The debates on bungi get quite lively, but your right >there is more than one way to do things and sometimes they all work equally >well, but not always. I'm waiting to hear how many people start using >unconstitued lemon juice for flux or VO5 for polishing and what results they >have. >When the personal attacks start just delete the post, although it is sometimes >difficult to stay out of (LOL). I would be interested in knowing about these >clothes you wear to your local retailer that has created such a reaction. I >think making personal statements are made by all of us in the way we dress, >but since this is not glass related it you might want to e-mail me privately >(Whispy Blu@aol.com) so as not to stir up things (LOL). Lu Ann >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:29:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flinet.com!kenneil From: Ken Neil To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Monster Metals Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<980124.105530.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dorothy...I also made one of those angels and had a hard time figuring out how to hang it. What did Monster metals tell you?? I painted my angel but instead of using the paints they sell for that I used nail polish and it worked great!! Thanks Brenda >A little while ago (3-4 months) i constructed a Monster Metals angel. >It's the one with the pointed bottom. (I may have mentioned it then, >since I was a bit confused about how to hang it, but the MM people >were happy to answer my questions) Anyway, if you look at pictures of >these items, you will notice that they are often painted. I didn't >quite like that look - though some of you may. I decided to try using >Rub 'n' Buff (gold) on the metal. It is quite attractive, but I suspect >if the item is handled quite a bit, it'll wear off. >Dorothy K > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ******************************************************************** Been There........ Done That! Ken Neil Jupiter, Florida ******************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 10:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:35:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!JAnder9073 From: JAnder9073 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Monster Metals Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:34:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.183450.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk what is monster metals? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 11:35:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:34:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:34:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.9346.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As is the "official' moniker. We are the one's profiled in Score Magazine a while back, and also the people who wrote the gag ads for FigSip (Fantasy In Glass Silver patina) and Swiss Cheesed GlassWerks (the glass with holes in it-it's a long story) that got printed in one of the glass magazines as fact. Heck, we even got them to print a recall notice the next issue because the holes were the wrong size (a repair kit could be bought- it contained soda, lime, ash and zircon encrusted tweezers) I can reproduce the copy for these ads if the group would like. But to conclude, yes, we do enjoy ourselves, and yes we can be quite unconventional, but yes we are relatively successful- two locations for several years, and the largest supplier in Canada (over 1300 colours in stock)(yes, that's how we spell colour in Canada) Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: January 23, 1998 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Albert Lewis > >> >Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 >> >(Tel:416-252-6868) >> >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass >> >supplier. >> > >> What is officially sanctioned??? And by whom? > > >Well, they *are called "fantasy in glass"! I guess they must be >sanctioned by the Official Fantasy Sanctioning Board. > >(Oh, and before you-all at FIG go ballistic, you should realize that >the above is a gentle, loving poke in the ribs.) > >Albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 11:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.95011.0> References: <<199801241753.JAA11658@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote: > > Thx Mike. Another vendor on the East Coast, too bad. Aren't there any on > the WEST coast that do mail order? Shipping expenses are SO high! I thought > I had heard of one in Washington, but have not been able to find them. > Anyone have any ideas? > Jean > > ---------- > >Mike wrote: > > > > mederdith's address: http://www.meredithglass.com/ > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > >Mike's Stained Glass > > ----------------- > > > > Jean wrote: > Do you have an address for Meredith? Are they on the net (I was unable to > find them). Thanks. > > > Jean > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass check my links page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 is the main address. go under catalogs, though there are probably more, those are the ones i can find on-line. maybe there's one near you. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 12:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:40:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.103857.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk West Coast mail order - Washington? Don't the Loda's do mail order? Hope you're lurking out there and will answer! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 12:41:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:41:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.103918.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "Big thanks to Dave and Glenna for letting the tempest run its course". I've never known them to interfere in any discussion no matter how heated unless the subject was completely apart from glass or unless foul language came into play. (By the way, that's only = happened once in the past year or so and the person was immediately dropped from the list.) So, simply said, if the subject remotely relates to glass and you keep a civil tongue = in your head, free speech reigns! And, yes, we're a lively group and conflict if a regular visitor - if you try to avoid it, you'll probably miss some of the best learning experiences bungi has to offer. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 12:42:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:40:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Monster Metals Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.103911.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dorothy- Rub 'n Buff is pretty tough. (That'd make a good slogan!) We've always = used it to touch up gilt frames on paintings (they get destroyed trans- porting to shows, etc.). Later, we started using it for other things, too, including on solder joints when using brass channel. It hasn't rubbed off yet. I suppose I should do a test run on something that gets cleaned alot, but, lately in my life nothing gets cleaned alot! Oh, well. Best regards :-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 12:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801242040.PAA17808@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote, >As is the "official' moniker. > We are the one's profiled in Score Magazine a while back, and also the >people who wrote the gag ads for FigSip (Fantasy In Glass Silver patina) and >Swiss Cheesed GlassWerks (the glass with holes in it-it's a long story) that >got printed in one of the glass magazines as fact. Heck, we even got them to >print a recall notice the next issue because the holes were the wrong size >(a repair kit could be bought- it contained soda, lime, ash and zircon >encrusted tweezers) I can reproduce the copy for these ads if the group >would like hehehehe I read those....always wonder how many people actually responded to the ads. Personally I just thought it was done by someone with too much time on their hands. So officially sanctioned is just another joke? Cute. I thought maybe the government up there was abit ahead of their time as in France ....where most of the glass restorations are handled by government supported studios. Although I am not pushing for our government to get into the glass business. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 12:43:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:40:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Meredith Glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.10394.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wasn't Jenna Meredith a member of this list? Maybe Glenna knows = if they've unsubscribed or are just lurking. (If I recall correctly, didn't Jenna recently marry - maybe that's why she dropped off for a while.) Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 13:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:13:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Official sanctioning Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.111242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Aw, shucks, Mike and here we thought you'd been knighted by the Queen or something. Oh, = well, may we still think of you as Sir Figgy?;-) Best regards, Dani Greer (whose sense of humoUr is as warped as the best, but is just a tad SLOW these days!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 13:14:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:13:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.51338.0> References: <<1998Jan24.103857.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Dani, Yes, we do mail order from our location here in Wenatchee. I did write Jean off Bungi since I'm not one to advertise here on this list, plus I'm more of a lurker. The web site will be located at http//www.artglassw.com and should be up and running this coming week. Thanks Dave & Lynn Art Glass of Wenatchee Michael J. Greer wrote: > West Coast mail order - Washington? > > Don't the Loda's do mail order? Hope > you're lurking out there and will answer! > ;-) > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 13:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 17:05:46 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.1546.0> References: <<1998Jan23.205044.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I second that. Let's get back to glass talk. I know retailing/wholesaling is important to all of us but alot of people come to us for advice. Wouldn't want to loose them. ---------- > > I have only been doing stained glass for 9 mos, but truly love it. I was > pleased when I found out about this list > I thought I would get to listen to some good tips on glass, but since > I have been here all I have listened to is fighting. > Sounds like kindergarten. > What a DISAPPOINTMENT!! > Does anyone ever talk about glass?? > Oh, by the way I buy most of my supplies from mail order as the price is > better and I am an hour away from local shop and even with S&H I am > still way ahead by mail order. > I wish I was near a GREAT glass shop! > I have ordered from Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , > Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi and have been very satisfied. Everyone that I > have talked to at these companies have been friendly and very willing > to answer any questions that I have had. > Thanks > Goldpaws > Hug a dog, it will make you a nicer person. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 13:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:35:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!arthurs.and.willis From: Joseph Arthurs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my ergonomic design of glass studio Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:34:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.113440.0> References: <<1998Jan19.135244.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Never did get around to putting my project into text form but the folks at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ were interested enough to put it into html so those that were interested can see it there. It's under the articles section. It prints out OK. If anyone still wants me to mail or fax them a copy, let me know. My husband has completed the parts listing and the final design so we'll put that on our homepage once he gets it web appropriate. It details the amount of wood and even nails that will be required and has CAD sketches. It'll probably be a Word document, but we may just put the picture into a jpeg. It doesn't look like it's going to get built any time soon, the bedroom and bathroom have precedence for a little while. Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 13:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:51:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sympatico.ca!brunner_walker From: "Deb & Doug Walker" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199801242151.QAA29906@smtp13.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the lead on the hummingbird feeder but how about a regular feeder? Not many hummingbirds around here this time of year. I was thinking about patterning one after the wood/plastic ones you see that kinda look like a shelter. I figger the roof and walls are pretty basic but I need to come up with a simple way to attach it to a base with a small edge (leaving space for the seed to come out). There also needs to be a way to remove the top to fill it. I suppose I could put a hinge to open one side of the roof but it would allow rain to seep into the seed compartment. I've also pondered putting the sides and bottom together and suspending it from the roof using chain and some hooks. Any other suggestions? I'm surprised there aren't books of these things. A pagoda style one would be interesting too. The shape for the top could be patterned from a panel lamp. Here's a basic ascii sideview version of what I'm considering __ / \ / \ \ / |__\_/__| TIA Deb brunner_walker@sympatico.ca > I think I've seen a pattern for a hummingbird feeder. Might be on > the Vicki Payne page. Nope, don't have the URL, but shouldn't be > too hard to seach on her name. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 14:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:44:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:52:07 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > most of us have to work within some kind of budget, except those born into > money LuAnn, I'm acquainted with some of the best-known (and highest-charging) glass artists in the world and none of them were born into money. What shouldn't perhaps be surprising is that even if they're doing million-dollar commissions (and some do) it's almost more difficult to make ends meet with work on that scale than it is to make a profit on $5 suncatchers. Len (I think it is) is right ... it's better to make fewer finished pieces, all of which are of the highest quality you're capable, than a million pieces that don't show your talents to the best of your ability. I'd say buy less glass if you must, but buy quality; do less work perhaps, but be able to charge more for it as a result. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 14:58:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:05:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > people who wrote the gag ads for FigSip Did you have any problems with people taking them seriously? I used to write far-fetched captions for old postcard photos, then publish them in Glass Art magazine (the original "Glass Art" ... it folded in 1979 ... the current Glass Art magazine has no connection to the old one). One of the photos was of the aftermath of a winter flood. Giant blocks of ice had been left strewn around a Victorian house. A few Victorian types posed near or on them, but my caption described the explosion of a glass factory and the giant chunks of white opalescent glass that had been thrown miles away. There were a few people who became quite concerned about how those people in the photo had avoided their house burning down ... and had they been hurt? Etc. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 14:59:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:05:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I had heard of one in Washington, but have not been able to find them. > Anyone have any ideas? Have you checked the Sources Guide online, Jean? Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:04:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:04:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:04:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan24.2349.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 17:47:47 EST, you write: << > most of us have to work within some kind of budget, except those born into > money LuAnn, I'm acquainted with some of the best-known (and highest-charging) glass artists in the world and none of them were born into money. What shouldn't perhaps be surprising is that even if they're d >> This is exactly why I posted a SECOND message to clarify that I recognize that not all were born into money. If I remember correctly Albert, which maybe I don't, the issue was the type of glass to be used. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm sure you will and it will be appreciated, but I cannot hardly believe those artists you are referring to started out using the most expensive and certainly most beautiful glass. I am sure they had to start out with the less expensive glass and do their glass on a smaller scale that the million dollar projects. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:06:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Learning and query to the sales folks Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.7519.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk The more I read from this list the more I learn and am certainly aware of the old saying the more you learn the less you know. (That doesn't sound right, but you know what I mean) And I am finding out that I am on the bottom rung of this stained glass ladder. Anyway, I went to the Meredith Site; and when you order their catalog, they ask, if you have any ideas to improve their site. I have one and thought I would use this forum to throw it out to all the sales people on this list for you all to consider. (You to Dave since you are still in the process of building your site.) How about putting a search feature in? I am always looking for just one item and it takes hours to go through the menus and screens to find it. It would sure make my life easier. Can't imagine the headaches it will give you, all the cross references and checking and being able to include when it goes on special or sale etc etc etc. Is it feasible or have I made the grand blunder cause it is already available? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:09:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:09:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: oops forgot to mention Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.7838.0> References: <<1998Jan24.15101.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Forgot to say how much I enjoy looking around the rest of your site, when I have the time. Here's the unsolicted plug. My favorites are Art Glass World, Warner-Crivellaro and Stained Glass Biz. Did you know they all have chat lines? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Learning and query to the sales folks Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:37:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.73748.0> References: <<1998Jan24.7519.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Shirley, I don't know what browser you have, but I have Netscape Communicator and to do a searh of a web page I click on edit> find in page, type in what you are looking for and it is highlighted. By the way, the web page is up and running. Dave Shirley Balloch wrote: (Snip) > (You to Dave since > you are still in the process of building your site.) > How about putting a search feature in? I am always looking for just one > item and it takes hours to go through the menus and screens to find it. > It would sure make my life easier. I don't know if there is a way of searching the entire site, this works for an individual page. Dave Art Glass of Wenatchee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:44:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:42:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.74252.0> References: <<199801242151.QAA29906@smtp13.bellglobal.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk There is a pattern of a hexagon house open on 3 sides, in Simply Outside pattern book. It's by Suzanne Cooper copyright 1995 I think one of the Glass Pattern Quarterly had a bird house design. I will warn you, from my converstaions with customers at craft show and because I live on the windy Oregon Coast, people are real worry about hanging glass outside. With the exception of hummingbird (is that one word or two?) feeders. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 15:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:57:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Official sanctioning Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.135552.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You may- and remember- on bended knee... - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Date: January 24, 1998 4:24 PM Subject: Official sanctioning >Aw, shucks, Mike and here we >thought you'd been knighted by >the Queen or something. Oh, = > >well, may we still think of you as >Sir Figgy?;-) > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer (whose sense of humoUr is as >warped as the best, but is just a tad SLOW >these days!) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:14:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: NCScouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Monster Metals / Golden finish Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:15:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.111528.0> References: <<1998Jan24.103911.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Wanchese Christian Academy, Computer Resources Dept. Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, Where d'ya get this Rub 'N Buff stuff?? (Uhhhohhh, that name makes rhyming a little TOO easy doesn't it!) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Dorothy- > > Rub 'n Buff is pretty tough. (That'd > make a good slogan!) We've always = > > used it to touch up gilt frames on > paintings (they get destroyed trans- > porting to shows, etc.). Later, we > started using it for other things, too, > including on solder joints when using > brass channel. It hasn't rubbed off > yet. I suppose I should do a test > run on something that gets cleaned > alot, but, lately in my life nothing gets > cleaned alot! Oh, well. > > Best regards :-) > > Dani Greer > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:32:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Spectrum T-glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199801250032.AAA25051@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Charles, Many thanks for the Info, very interesting and one I was not aware of before. That explains a lot to me and some of my difficulties Over Here. As expecting anyone to tell me HERE, would be just too much to ask :-( Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK This "t" glass is sold at a significant discount to Spectrum distributors and Spectrum distributors are required to sell it as "t" glass, Spectrum will drop a distributor that sells it as standard Spectrum glass. Someone that is not a Spectrum distributor might sell it as standard glass but that would be self defeating since it can't be color matched with a later shipment. This glass is only good for projects in which color matching is not important or if you can purchase a large enough quantity at one time to complete your project. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:32:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Monster cleaning Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199801250032.AAA25070@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sigh, Dani, ..Know the feeling..... Just transported an old friend off to the railway station who came for lunch (...and stayed not just for lunch but for the evening too...) Tomorrow, back on the gruelling track to the airport to pick up my 14-year old Turkish Godson who is spending a fortnight with me (First ever trip abroad on his own... and all that...). In the meantime, Peggy is buzzing a flea in my ear about getting my planning together for USA. A lot has happened, and something rather splendid which makes the possibility just one step closer to reality. But MUST NOT count my chickens...! The cleaning will have to wait. Instead I take my cleaning fervour out on my long-suffering students. Goodness me their panels positively SHINE and GLOW!!! ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK I should do a test run on something that gets cleaned alot, but, lately in my life nothing gets cleaned alot! Oh, well. Best regards :-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:32:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dani's Thank you Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199801250032.AAA25067@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I second that Dani! But the heated feathers are so often quite fun! And you Do get to the skin of the person behind the words.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote ( ... and I quote in full, which is unusual for me...) "Big thanks to Dave and Glenna for letting the tempest run its course". I've never known them to interfere in any discussion no matter how heated unless the subject was completely apart from glass or unless foul language came into play. (By the way, that's only = happened once in the past year or so and the person was immediately dropped from the list.) So, simply said, if the subject remotely relates to glass and you keep a civil tongue = in your head, free speech reigns! And, yes, we're a lively group and conflict if a regular visitor - if you try to avoid it, you'll probably miss some of the best learning experiences bungi has to offer. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:33:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:32:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Monster Metals Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199801250032.AAA25054@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk what is monster metals? ---- Metals made by monsters, maybe??? ;-) Toby (in a skittish mood) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:33:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:32:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Retailers (was Glass Nuggets) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199801250032.AAA25047@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Mike & Shirley, You just might get surprised.... they might even come from very, very far afield........ ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby (who both do not know how to spell emposibel ) Mike Peck wrote: You can bet that after all this retail bashing ...... ANYONE on this list with any travel plans in their near future will seek us out! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:37:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about copyright..... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:58:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.235813.0> References: <<1998Jan22.54530.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jan22.54530.0@?>, V T Phelps writes >Baendyril wrote: >> >> I was wondering...How much would you have to alter a pattern to use it as your >> own? >> ---- > >Copyright law states that "a design must be substantially and >SIGNIFICANTLY different from a copyrighted design in order to be >considered as a separate original design"... > >I would highly recommend consulting a business attorney for a more >specific definition of what constitutes "substantial" and "significant" >change. I would also recommend NOT taking any chances on this issue! > >V T Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >Roanoke Island, NC USA >---- You can, as many other artists have done in the past indicate that your design is "after", or based on another's this happens in painting, sculpture and music. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:37:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Only in part s.g, and more about pigs Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.23324.0> References: <<1998Jan19.194152.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jan19.194152.0@?>, DMR74 writes Sorry for the delay, but big job on and little time for e-mail. >In a message dated 98-01-17 21:08:44 EST, you write: > >> I guess I'll have to become a vegetarian >> to avoid becoming as big as so many USAn's! >> >Elizabeth, >Are you saying that people from the US are all FAT and that no UKn's are? >Sorry for the off glass but we seem to be getting that way right now anyway. >deb >---- Deb, Elizabeth did not write the abobe, I did. She just included it to provide context. I am an ex-pat. USAn and do observe a large number of overweight people when I visit the USA. The quote anyway doesnt say *all* USAn's are fat. It says many are big. I stand by that opinion. It doesn't make people good or bad to be big. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 16:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:58:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199801250045.SAA22346@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hang in there "goldpaws". This is by far the best glass chatline >available on the net. You mean there are other ones?? ;-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 17:13:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead concern Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:09:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan24.9921.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley: You asked what leached is. Leached means that the lead has gotten into something else. For example if you make tea, you leach the tea from the tea leaves only you call it steeped. I didn't realize it would be so difficult to explain. But consider that lead pipes have some water that doesn't drain...the water leaches or draws out the toxins...maybe I had better stop while everyone is confused. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 17:15:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:15:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: my ergonomic design of glass studio Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:14:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.151450.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandy, I'd love to get a copy to pass on to students if that's okay with you. Let me know the cost and here's = the address: Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 Thanks in advance! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 17:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Monster Metals / Golden finish Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.155234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Valerie- You can get Rub'n Buf at any art supply store, Michael's, Hobby Lobby or the equivelent in your area. Doesn't cost very much either. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 17:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:53:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Official sanctioning Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:52:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan24.155241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sir Figgy- Okay... on bended knee. But, I draw the line at kissin' the ring. = This IS America, after all!! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 18:05:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:05:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:04:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.2459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hi folks,I have made one of those stained glass bird feeders in Suzanne Cooper's Simply Outside book.I hung mine outdoors all summer and fall long on one of those shepard hooks that you hang" hanging "flowers on.It held up great!! Only a bit of corrosion on the solder lines, but that didn't keep the birds from enjoying it! It also attracted a few squirrels too...:( but all in all ,it got alot of attention from my neighbors too.Everyone enjoyed it! So ,IMHO, I say Glass does have its place outdoors! Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 19:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:27:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: update on large panel construction Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 22:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199801250326.WAA27013@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn wrote: >Obviously, my dealings with them up to then had been with HER, not HIM. >So a lot of this problem has gone away! At least I learned a lot in the >process -- and I'll use that to good advantage in framing it and reinforcing >it properly. And another thing I learned: talk to both halves of the couple >from the get-go! Suzanne answers: Marilyn, I had almost the exact thing happen a couple of months ago. Went to house, wife picked glass. Went home and cut everything out. Decided to have the couple see it before soldering "just in case." Well, husband didn't like wife's choice of background glass (he said it was too transparent). So I scrapped that and re-cut the whole background in gluechip. For nothing. Now I'll have to build another one just like it, using the beautiful New Wave Antique already cut & foiled! Hope I can sell it. The window is installed and looks beautiful. But wife is a tiny bit upset that the pink I used "doesn't match her curtains." Anyway, these things are bound to happen sometimes. Glad you got it all straightened out beforehand. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 24 20:50:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:49:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Guardean From: Guardean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:49:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.44930.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Meredith stained galss is the best store I've ever dealt with. I travel to their store a couple of times a month. The service is even better if you talk to them directly. They always offer to help with whatever I am working on. Greg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 01:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:38:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Learning and query to the sales folks Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:46:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I don't know what browser you have, but I have Netscape Communicator and to > do a searh of a web page I click on edit> find in page, type in what you are > looking for and it is highlighted. Ctrl-F does that, too. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 04:54:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Cistercian geometrical patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk These patterns look quite easy, but that's what's marvellous about them ... there is nothing more difficult. If you can cut these, you can cut anything! If you can put them together with lead came, you can put anything together with lead. Cistercian geometrical patterns from 11th-century France by the students at the Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College in Switzerland. Pierre Louy, Director of the Stained Glass Craft and Fine Art College, told us that "It was an experience and they are happy to present their work. So, we invite you to visit our Cistercian geometrical patterns pages. http://www.esvc.vsnet.ch/ Click on the language you'd prefer (English or French), then on "Expo" in the left-hand sidebar ... and enjoy! "Once a month," Louy continues, "the school shall try to show you something new. We shall be very pleased to have your comments." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 07:44:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:44:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mail order suppliers Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan25.5426.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jean: >Thx Mike. Another vendor on the East Coast, too bad. Aren't there any = on the WEST coast that do mail order? Shipping expenses are SO high!< Well, I know this is not exactly the West Coast, but it's closer than the East Coast. They ship supplies including bevel clusters, but not glass. Adventure Art Glass 6235 Millett Sterling Heights, MI 48312 1-800-824-3162 or (810) 978-8443 or fax (810) 978-8533 Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 08:00:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:59:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: <199801251553.HAA23028@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thx Mike Guess it's been longer than I thought since I checked your site. You've got it all! Great help. Thanks. Jean ---------- > From: M. Savad > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 11:50 AM > >Mike wrote: >> > > > check my links page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 is the main > address. go under catalogs, though there are probably more, those are > the ones i can find on-line. maybe there's one near you. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 08:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:51:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_885743307==_" Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:51:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199801251651.IAA04791@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --=====================_885743307==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Meredith stained galss is the best store I've ever dealt with. I travel to their store a couple of times a month. The service is even better if you talk to them directly. They always offer to help with whatever I am working on. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_885743307==_-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:15:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:14:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Strange solder Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:16:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan25.51632.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A friend gave me an old roll of solder that the labels have worn off of. It is about 5 lbs. and was found in a no longer used garage. I just tried it out to see what it is and I'm clueless. When it melts it really smokes and also leaves a puddle of yellowish-clear looking wax behind, along with the solder. It seems to work ok, but unless I flux first, it does not flow. I thought it might have tallow built into it, but in that case I would think it would flow correctly. I may be wrong since I have no experience with tallow. Does anybody know what this solder might be? Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:24:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: downloads? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:25:25 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm with Albert on this one, Pegasus is a great windows mail program. Free to download from www.tucows.com. Very useful for filtering, and seems to be fairly bullet proof. In the recent discombobulation, it never missed a beat. On 22 Jan 98, ItsAlison wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-22 15:03:36 EST, you write: > > << Bungi folks, > does anyone else have problems with my posts coming in as downloads??? > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada > >> > Yes, Glenn, your posts all come as downloads, and I have been unable to open > them for some reason. Sure would like to read what you have to say! ~Alison~ > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send > to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at > http://www.bungi.com/glass > Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:41:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:40:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Strange solder Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:38:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan25.83849.0> References: <<1998Jan25.51632.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Individule wrote: > > A friend gave me an old roll of solder that the labels have worn off of. > It is about 5 lbs. and was found in a no longer used garage. I just > tried it out to see what it is and I'm clueless. When it melts it really > smokes and also leaves a puddle of yellowish-clear looking wax behind, > along with the solder. It seems to work ok, but unless I flux first, it > does > not flow. I thought it might have tallow built into it, but in that case > I would think it would flow correctly. I may be wrong since I have no > experience with tallow. > > Does anybody know what this solder might be? > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sounds like rosin core solder (rosin is built in flux). meant for electrical stuff. though usaully it's in smaller rolls, with thinner diameters. i also have a few 5 pound rolls, one is rosin, the other's have a Stearine core. what that means, i have know idea. but the guy gave it to me for free at a garage sale... you know i just thought of something, maybe it's solder for radiators. i think they used to fix old car radiators with solder and a heavy iron. maybe that's what your solder is for. though i would'nt want to use it for stained glass, because you may never get all the rosin off the glass, and patina may not take very well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:46:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: Shirley Balloch , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: citronella Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes. My citronella candle has the following: For outdoor use only. Do no use water to extinguish...container not to be reused... When I first said citronella wa bad to breath, I was referring to it in the Flux discussion. I certainly think that something that is meant to be used outdoors only would be, if not poisonous, at least extrememly noxious at 18" > I am sure the government agencys (?) have OK'd if for the use intended. > Are there any warning labels on these candles, to instruct on their > proper use? And how not to use them? Any chemical can be abused. > I mean, these days instructions are so detailed they tell you how to > open the bag the product came in, for pete's sake! Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: "NCScouter" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: citronella Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:50:11 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 22 Jan 98, NCScouter wrote: > Shirley Balloch wrote: > Southernwood is a natural bug repellent so strong that even bess don't > like it, but it's also used in European cooking and in homeopathic > medicine to treat liver, spleen, and stomach problems. > Just to remove homeopathics from the discussion, homeopthatic medicine uses a lot of poisons in homeopathic doses. Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 10:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:52:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.n-link.net!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Strange solder Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 05:15:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan3.231526.0> References: <<1998Jan25.51632.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sounds like it might be Rosin Core solder, use for eclectical connections. Patrick Individule wrote: > A friend gave me an old roll of solder that the labels have worn off of. > It is about 5 lbs. and was found in a no longer used garage. I just > tried it out to see what it is and I'm clueless. When it melts it really > smokes and also leaves a puddle of yellowish-clear looking wax behind, > along with the solder. It seems to work ok, but unless I flux first, it > does > not flow. I thought it might have tallow built into it, but in that case > I would think it would flow correctly. I may be wrong since I have no > experience with tallow. > > Does anybody know what this solder might be? > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 11:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:17:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:12:24 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.191224.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk << Deidra said: Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from them..... Deidra>> Thank you Deidra, we enjoy you as a customer as well! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 11:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:20:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:15:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.191514.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 11:43:29 EST, you write: << Hi Deidra, I have used Warner and Delphi for glass and love them both for their great service (especially WC!). But I am wondering now about Meredith Glass. Are their prices and/or selection any better than WC and D? Do you have an address for them? Are they on the net (I was unable to find them). Thanks. Jean >> I'm here! I'm here! This list has been so active lately it's been hard to keep up! (Not to mention I'm still doing wedding recovery. I'm glad I'm only planning on doing this once!) We are on the net, at http://www.meredithglass.com. Come on by and visit! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 11:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Learning and query to the sales folks Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:19:07 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan25.19197.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 18:07:49 EST, you write: << Anyway, I went to the Meredith Site; and when you order their catalog, they ask, if you have any ideas to improve their site. I have one and thought I would use this forum to throw it out to all the sales people on this list for you all to consider. (You to Dave since you are still in the process of building your site.) How about putting a search feature in? I am always looking for just one item and it takes hours to go through the menus and screens to find it. It would sure make my life easier. Can't imagine the headaches it will give you, all the cross references and checking and being able to include when it goes on special or sale etc etc etc. Is it feasible or have I made the grand blunder cause it is already available? >> It is feasible, just work. Don't worry though, we are in the process of a complete overhaul and "fancifying" of the website now, and in the not TOO distant future, that is slated to be one of the new features! Thanks for your suggestion! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 11:34:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: Charles Warner , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: retailing and quality of glass Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:34:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 24 Jan 98, Charles Warner wrote: snip.... > The best thing to do if you feel you are being sold poor quality > glass is to shop around. There can't be so much poor quality > glass that everyone sells it. It is also important to tell a retailer why you are buying elsewhere. The advantage of buying glass at the "local shop" is that you see what you are getting. The disadvantage is that the selection of often quite small. I recently told a local shop that I didn't like buying there because I kept getting the reation that I was "bothering" them by coming in and interrupting their work. Since then I have been received much better, gotten more information,and purchased more glass and supplies. It makes a difference because they are the only place in town Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 16:02:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:01:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com (D k Tenhoff) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:00:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.0029.0> References: <<1998Jan24.0283.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:28:03 -0500 "Deidra Smalldridge" writes: >Everyone list Warner-Crevellaro, Glass Crafters , >Whitemore-Durgin & Delphi when referring to mail order.... >Has anyone used Meredith Glass? I love the service I've gotten from >them..... Deidra I live about 40 mins from Meredith's and that is where I buy most of my supplies. They are WONDERFUL!!!!! Their prices are comparative to the major catalog's and the customer service is out of this world. They have frequent specials too. They have a very large warehouse and have always had everything I've ever needed. They offer classes and free workshops. My only regret is that they are moving in the next several weeks to a location that would be over an hours drive and I will have to go back to mail ordering :-(. Debbie T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 16:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Greg's file attachments Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:00:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.009.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-25 11:54:44 EST, you write: << File: WORKPR~1.DOC (17408 bytes) DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute Meredith stained galss is the best store I've ever dealt with. I travel to their store a couple of times a month. The service is even better if you talk to them directly. They always offer to help with whatever I am working on. Greg ---- >> Greg, Just got another one of those postings with a file attached to it.....what are the files for? Like others, I downloaded one once, but couldnt access it afterwards. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 16:13:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Greg's file attachments Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:12:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.01242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-25 19:03:19 EST, you write: << Just got another one of those postings with a file attached to it.....what are the files for? Like others, I downloaded one once, but couldnt access it afterwards. >> This one actually had an attachment. It discussed a technique using copper overlay. I found it very interesting and may try it. In my opinion it was worth downloading and printing out. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 17:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Monster Metals Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 20:25:44 EST Message-ID: <980125.203354.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Re hanging the pointy bottom angel...they suggested soldering a metal loop to the back of each shoulder. i decided that wasn't as secure as I might like, given the weight, so I took a long piece of copper wire, made two loops near the center, sort of like rabbit ears, then wrapped the ends around the stub where the wings go, twisting the wire together at the bottom. i soldered this around the stub, bent the ear-shaped loops up and fitted the wings and halo around the stub so the loops go behind it. Solder again. It tilts forward a little, so the point of the bottom may touch the window (or wall, since I hung it on my wall for a while), but I don't doubt it's going to hold. looks quite nice, in fact. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 19:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:30:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Strange solder Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan25.172710.0> References: <<1998Jan25.51632.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kathy, Sounds like you have gotten a hold of some acid core solder. (Solid wire solder is generally recommended for stained glass work.) There are two varieties of hollow core solders, known as acid core and rosin core solder. Rosin core solder has the hollow core filled with hard rosin, just like used on violin bows. When used the rosin melts, then solidifies on your work and can be very difficult to remove. This solder is designed primarily for electronics work where the work cannot be washed after soldering and corrosive materials on the circuit boards would be undesirable. Acid core solder is filled with a soft paste flux that is rather difficult to remove, but no worse than regular paste flux. I think it was typically used for biggish work like automotive and sometimes plumbing. (Not sure on the plumbing though.) I tried it once on stained glass and didn't see too much difficulty with it beyond the mess and typical problems of over fluxed work Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:16:32 -0800 Individule writes: >A friend gave me an old roll of solder that the labels have worn off >of. >It is about 5 lbs. and was found in a no longer used garage. I just >tried it out to see what it is and I'm clueless. When it melts it >really >smokes and also leaves a puddle of yellowish-clear looking wax behind, >along with the solder. It seems to work ok, but unless I flux first, >it >does >not flow. I thought it might have tallow built into it, but in that >case >I would think it would flow correctly. I may be wrong since I have no >experience with tallow. > >Does anybody know what this solder might be? > >Kathy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 20:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:15:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan25.151553.0> References: <<1998Jan25.5426.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Albert, Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in the area too!) V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: > > Message text written by Jean: > >Thx Mike. Another vendor on the East Coast, too bad. Aren't there any = > on > the WEST coast that do mail order? Shipping expenses are SO high!< > > Well, I know this is not exactly the West Coast, but it's closer than > the East Coast. They ship supplies including bevel clusters, but > not glass. > > Adventure Art Glass > 6235 Millett > Sterling Heights, MI 48312 > 1-800-824-3162 or (810) 978-8443 or fax (810) 978-8533 > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 21:03:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:02:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Guardean From: Guardean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Greg's file attachments Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:58:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.45839.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Alison, I'm not sure as it's my post, but I didn't put a file attachment onto it (also, it's not my sign-on or service provider. If you figure it out please let me know. Sorry it it gives you any trouble. Greg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 25 21:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:55:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Individule Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Strange solder Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:52:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan25.135248.0> References: <<1998Jan25.51632.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kathy: Sounds like your strange solder is wire solder with built-in flux. It it an absolute mess to try to use with glass. Suggest you toss it. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 02:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:33:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Wholesale, Retail, Walk-In and Mail Order Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:33:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.103319.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here is a place I would like to recommend in South Jersey, near the shore. It is called, "Anything In Stained Glass". They are very nice people to deal with. If you are wholesale, you do not need to buy in bulk to get good prices. Their retail prices are even good. If you call in for mail order, they will actually save/hold things for you until you are ready to complete the order. They are not so big as to have problems locating your order once it has been submitted, so they can easily add merchandise to your order and ship everything together, unlike W-C, who must treat your order as a separate order if you forgot to include something. Sorry Charles. I am in PA and postage is minimal along with delivery time.(except around Christmas) They are not on-line. Phone # 1-800-462-1209 for anyone who would like to give them a try. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 03:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:37:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far > as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in > the area too!) As far as I know, every distributor ships to customers outside the city limits of their own immediate location. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 06:16:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:16:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Monster Metals/Rub n Buff Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 09:13:30 EST Message-ID: <980126.091514.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Monster Metals makes metal castings to which one can attach stained glass. Their web page is at www.monstermetals.com I buy Rub n Buff at my local Dick Blick art supplier. They have a better selection than the nearest hobby stores. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 06:23:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 09:16:36 EST Message-ID: <980126.092204.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, it's official. Anyone can now do "stained glass mosaic" on vases, candle holders, glass chimneys for oil lamps, etc. At my local fabric/ craft store they now sell plastic beveled squares to use in mosaic. The same exhibit featured glass bowls and adhesive (clear bathroom sealer, basically). Then in a magazine by the register ("Handcrafts"?) there is a description of how to make your own glass squares and cover a chimney. The line wasn't long enough for me to read the article, I'm afraid. Looks like I didn't put a subject on this message...and I can't go back and do it now. Sorry. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 08:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:27:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.162711.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 20:35:34 EST, you write:

> Gee, Deb!
>
> I think we're getting/giving lots of
> glass advice. This just happens to
> relate to the business end of it and
> I'm sure tons of folks on bungi are
> enjoying it. Am I right?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dani Greer =
:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 10:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:08:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaley From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re[2]: Mail order suppliers C&R Loo does ship through US Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 10:10:19 -0800 Message-ID: <9801268858.AA885838368@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk C&R Loo ships throughout the U.S. Their web page is http://www.crloo.com. They carry Fisher glass for those who have been looking for it. Hugh selection of glass, frit, etc. They are wholesale. Suzanne Haley Koi Glass Studio Santa Rosa, CA ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers Author: at Internet Date: 1/26/98 6:45 AM > Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far > as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in > the area too!) As far as I know, every distributor ships to customers outside the city limits of their own immediate location. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 10:25:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Indian Chief Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:12:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.181234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does a web site exist for << Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine focused towards beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's mag, anyone know the correct name? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 10:34:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Bird Feeders Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:16:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.181640.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, someone printed a pattern last year, it came into my house by mail....can't remember the source.... So being the wonderful sister I try to be to my naturalist sister...I made the feeder....she loved it.....and hung it up, just like the dutiful sister she is.... One day she was visiting me and noticed the regular hummer visitor at my basket of geraniums and told me that they love reds, pinks etc. (just mentioning it in passing sort of thing)....and I of course reflected back to my choice of colors...blues, purples....lol.....OH WELL....so the next feeder will be in reds.... maureen mosfunland@aol.com hey....I liked the colors..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 11:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re:anyone can do stained glass mosaic Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:08:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.19820.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-26 09:24:35 EST, you write: << Well, it's official. Anyone can now do "stained glass mosaic" on vases, candle holders, glass chimneys for oil lamps, etc. At my local fabric/ craft store they now sell plastic beveled squares to use in mosaic. The same exhibit featured glass bowls and adhesive (clear bathroom sealer, basically). Then in a magazine by the register ("Handcrafts"?) there is a description of how to make your own glass squares and cover a chimney. The line wasn't long enough for me to read the article, I'm afraid. Looks like I didn't put a subject on this message...and I can't go back and do it now. Sorry. Dorothy K >> Yes Dorothy, At my local fabric store/craftstore they sell completed stained glass mosaic covered hurricane chimneys......The FINISHED price for a 10-12" hurricane is $7.95!! At that price, and the ones I saw were nicely done, who wants to bother making them?? These were done in multi colored cathedrals, cut in neatly arranged squares and nicely finished with a grey grout,,,,,they looked really good. I saw the article in Handicrafts magazine too. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 12:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:23:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Indian Chief Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:22:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.42215.0> References: <<1998Jan26.181234.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Glass Patterns Quarterly is a magazine which as they say on the front of their magazine "Projects for every skill level. As far as I know they don't have a web site, but their e-mail address is gpq@ilou.com It is a very good magazine for beginners and and advanced alike. Dave Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > Does a web site exist for > << Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine focused towards > beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's mag, anyone > know the correct name? Thanks. > ---- > -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 12:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:46:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bbs.logicnet.com!fusion.glass From: Jennifer McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albert Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:03:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.3352.0> References: <<1998Jan21.194840.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Fusion Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Mary J Austin wrote: > > Albert and all, > > I've shopped a few of the shops like Albert mentioned. Not all were > customer friendly. If you don't buy from them all the time it seems as if > they prefer you not buy there at all. Hateflu when asking questions even > concerning thier own supply of colors available and tried hard to sell me > the more expensive glass which would not be useable in my window. > Mary in Indiana > I think something that everyone is forgetting is that people are human and there are many types of people and unfortuneately not all the best are retailers and not all the best are consumers. Everyone is going to have a story of some terrible retailer to tell, but I'm sure there are many more stories that people forget to tell about that wonderful little store that does everything you could ask for. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky but an awful lot of my customers have turned into what I consider - loyal friends. We share a common love of glass and art and share it all the time. My social life comes from my store since I work 10 to 14 hour days 6 days a week, and luckily my customers drop in just for coffee and a chat and it makes the day much shorter. I don't think my experience is all that uncommon. If you have a terrible retailer open your eyes and look around. I'm sure you'll find five others to take that place and be an honest, caring and helpful retailer. We are out th! ere and please don't tar us with the same brush. I know everyone of my customers is different and I sure don't consider them all the same. Give us the same consideration. Now Im off my soapbox and will give it back to Albert!!! > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:08:01 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) > writes: > >ALBERT.. I will have to disagree with your...The hobbiest-the garage > >shop.the weekend crafter..SHOULD NOT be able to purchace > >wholesale....let them start a real bussiness.... > >Albert...how many Retailers do you know that resent ordering, selling > >and helping their customers...???????The Group I know will bend over > >backwards to help someone ..more likely the people you refer to are > >not > >true retailers or either they are out of bussiness... > >What a closed mind you have... once again you opened your big mouth > >and > >inserted both FEET.. > >Once again I will say Support your local Retailer and he will support > >you.. > >Walter > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 12:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:52:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bbs.logicnet.com!fusion.glass From: Jennifer McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass nuggets Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:39:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.4399.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Fusion Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > Zane, > > I'm glad there are no hard feelings, because I've said what I've said > not to cause problems or to just bad-mouth anyone "in glass" to make > money. First of all, I'm not a bad-mouthing kinda guy (ask my mom) > and secondly, if any business isn't making money, it's not going to > be in business very long. > > Sure, glass should be selected by hand, but one of the joys I knew > when I was a potter was the surprise and pleasure at opening the kiln > and finding some unexpected effects. So perhaps ordering a mixed case > and seeing what's inna box when it arrives is an approach that could > be taken. On the other hand, of course, if you're ordering glass to > match a repair job or to continue on something that's not yet > complete, you want to see the glass ... perhaps. I don't actually > know any serious studios that hand-pick their glass. It would mean > going to the factory or wholesaler more often than would make sense > financially. Often, I think they send a sample and rely on the > pickers there to come up with a match. I'll have to confess that I > don't *know the answer to this one, but I know who I can ask. > Just have to jump in here Albert. Our store is up in Canada and yet either my parter or I get down to Bullseye and Uroboros to hand pick our glass so that my customers get the best. Just six months ago I handpicked 2 crates of glass at yougi and had it shipped back to Calgary Alberta which is approx 4000 miles apart. I'm sure we aren't the only ones to do this. There are a lot of us who go that extra mile for our customers. As for warmed up coffee -- I just bought a cappuccino machine for my customers!!! Please look farther than the end of your nose!! > As for those who don't shop locally, but still expect the retailer to > give them service and/or freebies, I'd just refer you to the other > notes posted here this evening. Any warm body that passes the lintel > of your door should be treated as though they are your best customer > (within reason), simply because they went to the effort to actually > *drive! *to *your *shop! and *get *outta *the *car! Even if they > were heels (your opinion) in the past, you now have an opportunity to > turn them into friends and loyal customers. > > Bearing a grudge would be counter-productive, IMHO. Heat up the > coffee! No, make fresh! Buy donuts. > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 13:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:33:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:25:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.21252.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-23 20:35:26 EST, you write: << Gee, Deb! I think we're getting/giving lots of glass advice. This just happens to relate to the business end of it and I'm sure tons of folks on bungi are enjoying it. Am I right? >> NO! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 13:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:43:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Talk Not Fighting!! Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:32:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan26.213234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-24 01:53:05 EST, you write: << I have only been doing stained glass for 9 mos, but truly love it. I was pleased when I found out about this list I thought I would get to listen to some good tips on glass, but since I have been here all I have listened to is fighting. Sounds like kindergarten. What a DISAPPOINTMENT!! Does anyone ever talk about glass?? >> Thanks so much for expressing my sentiments exactly. Believe it or not there is actually some glass discussion here and I have learned a lot, but I for one am tired of the snips, snipes and flames that have been appearing recently... Can we please get back to glass techniques????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 14:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:22:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:20:20 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980126162020.007d0560@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Jan26.181234.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Actually, they do have a web site now. I knew there was a link from the Art Glass World site, which I thought was just another page within AGW's site, but just now when I clicked it, I got taken to Glass Patterns Quarterly's own site at: Oops, you left out a letter in the e-mail addy, it should be gpq@iglou.com according to the web site. :-) Steph ~ At 12:22 PM 1/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Glass Patterns Quarterly is a magazine which as they say on the front of their >magazine "Projects for every skill level. As far as I know they don't have a web >site, but their e-mail address is > >gpq@ilou.com > >It is a very good magazine for beginners and and advanced alike. > >Dave >Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > >> Does a web site exist for >> << Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine focused towards >> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's mag, anyone >> know the correct name? Thanks. ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 14:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:52:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glueing back of mirrors Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:51:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.65126.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Will glue destroy the back of a mirror? And if so, should you use a special glue. Or Dave, should I just spray paint it black first and use good old elmer's? Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 15:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:09:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Spectrum T-glass Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:12:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.231239.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 01:28 25/01/98 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Charles, > >Many thanks for the Info, very interesting and one I was not aware of >before. That explains a lot to me and some of my difficulties Over >Here. As expecting anyone to tell me HERE, would be just too much to >ask :-( >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Just catching up on the recent discussions - after problems over the last two weeks and having been unable to log on to our server for the last three days I have oodles of email to read yet. EliSabeth, as far as we know, T glass from Spectrum isn't offered to retailers who buy from the main two distributors in the UK - at least we haven't ever heard the phrase in the 20 years we've been buying glass. However we have sometimes been supplied with what appears to be irregular glass at regular prices - perhaps needs some investigation on our part. Thankyou, Charles for the input on this. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 16:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 19:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199801270010.TAA03753@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, I'm doing my very first wall mosaic. It's 18" round and I'd like to frame it in copper. Of course, the 1/8" copper edging wouldn't have a wide enough channel to accommodate 1/4-inch glass (I'm grouting glass onto glass). Does anybody have an idea of how to do this? Copper plumber's tubing? How would I get it to bend around the piece? Thanks in advance! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 16:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:25:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glueing back of mirrors Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.142431.0> References: <<1998Jan26.65126.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Will glue destroy the back of a mirror? And if so, should you use a > special glue. > Or Dave, should I just spray paint it black first and use good old > elmer's? > Thanks in advance. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it depends on what the mirror is going to do. spray glue is ok for felt and velvet. but if the mirror is going to stick to a wall, i would only use mirror mastic. though over time that may eat through the mirror. but if it's a high quality mirror, you should'nt have that problem. though mastic is quite messy and disgusting. and if you don't like where it is, too bad... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 17:22:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:21:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:17:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.11734.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Please remove me from list. Will be away for a while....Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 17:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:40:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: limestone.kosone.com!dagenais From: Rod Dagenais To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.154439.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from list. -- Rod Dagenais ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 17:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:49:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Albert Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:45:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.14556.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-26 15:49:30 EST, you write: << my customers drop in just for coffee and a chat and it makes the day much shorter. I don't think my experience is all that uncommon. If you have a terrible retailer open your eyes and look around. I'm sure you'll find five others to take that place and be an honest, caring and helpful retailer. >> I am confused as to whether Mary or Albert wrote this part of a recent post, but whoever it was I have to commend you on your great customer relations. I think if any of the local retailers where I shop ever offered me a cup of coffee, I'd wonder if I was asleep and dreaming. I've been reading your posts, Albert, and your customers are very lucky to have you as their retailer. Some may feel that this kind of talk is not on topic to the business of glass, but I feel there is much more to this newsgroup than giving tips or answering questions. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 18:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:17:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:13:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199801270217.CAA18265@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Suzanne, IF you decide to use plumber's copper tubing, then ask at your local plumbing store, because plumbers themselves have a device where they bend their copper tubing exactly to shape & to bend round akward corners...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Suzanne wrote: Hi Guys, I'm doing my very first wall mosaic. It's 18" round and I'd like to frame it in copper. Of course, the 1/8" copper edging wouldn't have a wide enough channel to accommodate 1/4-inch glass (I'm grouting glass onto glass). Does anybody have an idea of how to do this? Copper plumber's tubing? How would I get it to bend around the piece? Thanks in advance! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 18:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:17:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Spectrum T-glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:13:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199801270217.CAA18261@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi EliZabeth, I thought you had been solent for a while. I have my Godson staying with me from Istanbul in Turkey at the moment, so I too am pushed for time. Have missed the dead-lind with the Inland Revenue.... Oh well there's a 100 pounds UK down the swannee... :-( Cold comfort that at least another 1 million people will be in the same boat (according to Sunday Times...). My accountant has 'flu..... T-glass - I'm glad it wasn't just ME; but for YEARS I have had that same one problem and been mystified. Spectrum has otherwise been SO reliable and colour consistent. My students have "winged" more than I have, protesting that one colour definition/ specification has not matched one they had before, etc....; even though the order reference has been exactly the same (from our end). Do let me know what you turn up in YOUR investigations - in due course, of course. My very Best Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK EliZabeth in Bournemouth wrote: T glass from Spectrum isn't offered to retailers who buy from the main two distributors in the UK - at least we haven't ever heard the phrase in the 20 years we've been buying glass. However we have sometimes been supplied with what appears to be irregular glass at regular prices - perhaps needs some investigation on our part. Thankyou, Charles for the input on this. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 18:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:32:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: somtel.com!rickym From: "Maria Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: change of email address Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199801141755.MAA13260@quint.somtel.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, I am usually just a lurker but I too was having email troubles.It started a while ago, long before the most recent crashes. I decided to try another email address with Yahoo. My server was always quick to help but I continually would lose messages because one would lock up my inbox. My new email address is rickym88@yahoo.com. I hope this works. I am not totally computer illiterate but I am not sure it was all set up correctly. Please send all messages from the list to the above email address. I look forward to reading all messages from this list every morning with my coffee. You are all a huge part of my day. Thanks for all the help!!! :-) Maria (Still unthawing in the icy state of Maine.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 19:43:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:42:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass bungi line Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:39:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan26.113942.0> References: <<199801270010.TAA03753@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne: The hardware stores sell solid copper wire up to about 1/4". Using a came bender you can "bend" whatever circle size you need. The came bender is one that had the three disc wheel and is attached to the table. Maybe a retailer has one and will do it for you (naturally for a price). Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 20:37:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Guardean From: Guardean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Indian Chief Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:34:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.43421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk The do have a web site... The URL is http://www.glasspatterns.com/ Greg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 20:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:41:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glueing back of mirrors Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:37:39, -0500 Message-ID: <199801270437.XAA17860@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Will glue destroy the back of a mirror? And if so, should you use a > special glue. > Or Dave, should I just spray paint it black first and use good old > elmer's? > Thanks in advance. It is hard to say if a given piece of mirror will or will not be subject to mirror rot. My supplier sells a 1/8" mirror from Sunshine Mirror (whoever they are) that has a grey back and has not caused me any problems with any flux. I use Silicine II for windows and doors as a glue with success. If I needed to use a piece of unknown mirror I would coat it with varnish. There is also a product sold for this purpose. Both seal the back and so mirror rot should not happen. Be sure to coat the edges well to make a good seal. I would think that mirror from a SG supplier would be safe. Just ask them. You could make your own tests but a test of less than a year is rather chancy, so ask your supplier. It is their job to provide you with a usable product. So glad to be back home, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 22:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:46:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.17480.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Oooops! I guess I bagged THAT one...didn't realize that Loo was wholesale dist. only; for some reason I thought that they did retail too. Oh well-- c'est la vie! They would STILL be a good source of information for retail mail-order on the west coast though don't you think? Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA Albert Lewis wrote: > > Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far > > as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in > > the area too!) > > As far as I know, every distributor ships to customers outside the > city limits of their own immediate location. > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association > 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 > (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 > _____________________________________________ > Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ > Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm > Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm > Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm > Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 22:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:51:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Mon Jan 26 22:51:21 1998 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980112134915.00674300@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Bungi is just as controversial as ever! What a pity that so many of you have had negative experiences at your local retail store. Kind of kills the most enjoyable part of the stained glass experience...drooling all over the glass, talking shop, and drinking coffee. Several months ago I asked for some ideas on how to tackle a project using chandalier jewels in the construction of a fire place screen: design... a peacock whose feathers are in full span. I have completed this piece (and even followed Elisabeth's advice to use color!) Once completed, it will be my most creative yet. I have scraped the fire place screen idea. Instead, I plan to use this bird as a mantle piece. It measures 29" wide and 19" high. I used 35 tear drop jewels as the eyes of the feathers. I want to have a wrought iron candleabra (sp?) constructed to follow the flow of the seven feathers and ultimately have candlelight illuminate the jewels, which are in clusters of five. The peacock is very, very heavy. It is basically in the shape of a half circle,flat on the bottom. Does anyone have any suggestions on how first, I can reinforce it as it needs to be freestanding. Secondly, any suggestions on how I can permanently attach the peacock to the candleabra? Thirdly, how to finish the edges, which are presently foiled and quite "lacy" around the feathers? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Lorna from Canada ( who invites those taking a jet tour of retailers to visit ours in little old Lethbridge, where the service is excellent and the coffee is hot) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 26 22:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Mon Jan 26 22:52:47 1998 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980112134946.00692a84@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Bungi is just as controversial as ever! What a pity that so many of you have had negative experiences at your local retail store. Kind of kills the most enjoyable part of the stained glass experience...drooling all over the glass, talking shop, and drinking coffee. Several months ago I asked for some ideas on how to tackle a project using chandalier jewels in the construction of a fire place screen: design... a peacock whose feathers are in full span. I have completed this piece (and even followed Elisabeth's advice to use color!) Once completed, it will be my most creative yet. I have scraped the fire place screen idea. Instead, I plan to use this bird as a mantle piece. It measures 29" wide and 19" high. I used 35 tear drop jewels as the eyes of the feathers. I want to have a wrought iron candleabra (sp?) constructed to follow the flow of the seven feathers and ultimately have candlelight illuminate the jewels, which are in clusters of five. The peacock is very, very heavy. It is basically in the shape of a half circle,flat on the bottom. Does anyone have any suggestions on how first, I can reinforce it as it needs to be freestanding. Secondly, any suggestions on how I can permanently attach the peacock to the candleabra? Thirdly, how to finish the edges, which are presently foiled and quite "lacy" around the feathers? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Lorna from Canada ( who invites those taking a jet tour of retailers to visit ours in little old Lethbridge, where the service is excellent and the coffee is hot) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 02:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:50:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:58:13 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > << my customers drop in just for coffee and a chat and it makes the day much > shorter. I don't think my experience is all that uncommon. If you have a > terrible retailer open your eyes and look around. I'm sure you'll find five > others to take that place and be an honest, caring and helpful retailer. >> > > I am confused as to whether Mary or Albert wrote this part of a recent post, > but whoever it was I have to commend you on your great customer relations. I > think if any of the local retailers where I shop ever offered me a cup of > coffee, I'd wonder if I was asleep and dreaming. I've been reading your > posts, Albert, and your customers are very lucky to have you as their > retailer. Some may feel that this kind of talk is not on topic to the > business of glass, but I feel there is much more to this newsgroup than giving > tips or answering questions. Not me, Alison I'm not a retailer ... and I don't remember how/why I made the comments I did about retailers who think they're *owed something just because they happened to open a store and put in some stock. I was beaten about the ears for saying anything at all, though, and a few people here thought that I was out of line, that as ExecDir of the International Guild of Glass Artists I should have been ... what? wholeheartedly supportive of all retailers? That stung ... But my comments were first of all personal comments not made as ExecDir of IGGA ... and if they had been, it's an organization of artists and craftspeople anyway ... not retailers. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 06:16:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:16:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tse.com!tmalicki From: "Thomas J. Malicki" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980127091118.009047b0@tsegw.tse.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GPQ has a site at: 0000,0000,ffffhttp://www.glasspatterns.com Also Art Glass World has links to few Mags: 0000,0000,ffffhttp://www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html If you are after patterns the best and probably only site of this caliber is: 0000,0000,ffffhttp://www.spectrumglass.com/PattSet.html Tom... >From: Dave & Lynn Loda < >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > >Glass Patterns Quarterly is a magazine which as they say on the front of their >magazine "Projects for every skill level. As far as I know they don't have a web >site, but their e-mail address is > >gpq@ilou.com > >It is a very good magazine for beginners and and advanced alike. > >Dave >Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > >> Does a web site exist for >> <<<< Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine focused towards >> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's mag, anyone >> know the correct name? Thanks. >> ---- >> > > > >-- >____________________ > >Dave & Lynn Loda >Art Glass of Wenatchee >http://artglassw.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 07:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaley From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re[2]: Mail order C&R Loo (Fischer Antique Glass) Hot glass Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 07:10:56 -0800 Message-ID: <9801278859.AA885913873@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk C&R Loo has a beautiful website. (http://www.crloo.com) For those who have never seem Fischer Real Antique Glass, select "Contemporary" from their menu. Many, many artists work shown with bios. The site states under construction, but use the menu buttons at the top. Their HOT GLASS catalog can be downloaded. Also under "ordering" you will see no shipping charges on many items. Also offer discounts for instructors, COD, etc. The warehouse is in Richmond, CA. Their email address is glass@crloo.com Suzanne Haley Koi Glass Studio ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers Author: at Internet Date: 1/27/98 1:48 AM Oooops! I guess I bagged THAT one...didn't realize that Loo was wholesale dist. only; for some reason I thought that they did retail too. Oh well-- c'est la vie! They would STILL be a good source of information for retail mail-order on the west coast though don't you think? Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Roanoke Island NC USA Albert Lewis wrote: > > Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far > > as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in > > the area too!) > > As far as I know, every distributor ships to customers outside the > city limits of their own immediate location. > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association > 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 > (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 > _____________________________________________ > Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ > Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm > Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm > Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm > Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 07:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:26:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.52856.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... Just a suggestion.... Deidra www.glasspatterns.com www.spectrumglass.com/pattset.html -----Original Message----- From: Thomas J. Malicki To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links =20 =20 =20 GPQ has a site at: http://www.glasspatterns.com =20 Also Art Glass World has links to few Mags: http://www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html =20 If you are after patterns the best and probably only site of this = caliber is: http://www.spectrumglass.com/PattSet.html =20 Tom... =20 >From: Dave & Lynn Loda >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > >Glass Patterns Quarterly is a magazine which as they say on the = front of their >magazine "Projects for every skill level. As far as I know they = don't have a web >site, but their e-mail address is > >gpq@ilou.com > >It is a very good magazine for beginners and and advanced alike. > >Dave >Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > >> Does a web site exist for >> << Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine = focused towards >> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's = mag, anyone >> know the correct name? Thanks. >> ---- >> > > > >-- >____________________ > >Dave & Lynn Loda >Art Glass of Wenatchee >http://artglassw.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: = glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: = glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When writing links in a message = don't add http=20 to beginning...
that way all anyone has to do is click on the=20 link...
Just a suggestion....
Deidra
www.glasspatterns.com
www.spectrumglass.com/= pattset.html
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Thomas J. Malicki <tmalicki@tse.com>
To: = glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date:=20 Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Indian = Chief -=20 Magazine links


GPQ has a site = at:
http://www.glasspatterns.com

Also=20 Art Glass World has links to few=20 Mags:
http://www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html

If=20 you are after patterns the best and probably only site of this = caliber=20 is:
http://www.spectrumglass.com/PattSet.html
=
Tom...

>From:=20 Dave & Lynn Loda <dandl@crcwnet.com>
>Reply-To:=20 glass@bungi.com
>
>Glass Patterns Quarterly is a = magazine which=20 as they say on the front of their
>magazine "Projects for = every=20 skill level. As far as I know they don't have a web
>site, but = their=20 e-mail address is
>
>gpq@ilou.com
>
>It is a = very=20 good magazine for beginners and and advanced=20 alike.
>
>Dave
>Margaret41@aol.com=20 wrote:
>
>> Does a web site exist for
>> = <<=20 Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine = focused=20 towards
>> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name = for the=20 beginner's mag, anyone
>> know the correct name?=20 Thanks.
>>=20 = ----
>>
>
>
>
>--
>_______________= _____
>
>Dave=20 & Lynn Loda
>Art Glass of=20 = Wenatchee
>http://artglassw.com
>
>
>----
>= For=20 subscription changes, please mail to: = glass-request@bungi.com
>To send=20 to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com
>Archives = available at=20 http://www.bungi.com/glass
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 07:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: to Peacocks Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:25:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan26.232518.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Am a little bit confused here as to whether you want the peacock freestandig or hung on the chandelier. But if you want it free stainding, the man I took my lessons from does some beautiful things in stained glass standing on rocks to be used like on coffee tables or end tables. He usually uses a rather flat rock that is a couple of inches thick to give it some weight, then drills a couple of holes in the rocks and has sturdy pieces of metal coming from the stained glass piece which is inserted into the holes along with some glue, and thus a freestanding piece is created. He does may of these in a southwest type motif. I believe he does solder the metal rods right into the structure of the stained glass piece so that they extend a ways up the design. Bonnie Clark Washington State ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 07:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:35:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.53519.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html -----Original Message----- From: Deidra Smalldridge To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... >just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 >that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... >Just a suggestion.... >Deidra >www.glasspatterns.com >www.spectrumglass.com/pattset.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas J. Malicki > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links > =20 > =20 > =20 > GPQ has a site at: > http://www.glasspatterns.com > =20 > Also Art Glass World has links to few Mags: > http://www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html > =20 > If you are after patterns the best and probably only site of this = >caliber is: > http://www.spectrumglass.com/PattSet.html > =20 > Tom... > =20 > >From: Dave & Lynn Loda > >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > > > >Glass Patterns Quarterly is a magazine which as they say on the = >front of their > >magazine "Projects for every skill level. As far as I know they = >don't have a web > >site, but their e-mail address is > > > >gpq@ilou.com > > > >It is a very good magazine for beginners and and advanced alike. > > > >Dave > >Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Does a web site exist for > >> << Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine = >focused towards > >> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name for the beginner's = >mag, anyone > >> know the correct name? Thanks. > >> ---- > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >____________________ > > > >Dave & Lynn Loda > >Art Glass of Wenatchee > >http://artglassw.com > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > =20 > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: = >glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: = >glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
When writing links in a message = >don't add http=20 >to beginning...
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just = >write   href=3D"http://www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html">www.artglassworld.com= >/magazine.html=20 >
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that way all anyone has to do is click on the=20 >link...
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Just a suggestion....
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Deidra
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Date:=20 > Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Indian = >Chief -=20 > Magazine links


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Also=20 > Art Glass World has links to few=20 > Mags:
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If=20 > you are after patterns the best and probably only site of this = >caliber=20 > is:
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Tom...

>From:=20 > Dave & Lynn Loda <dandl@crcwnet.com>
>Reply-To:=20 > glass@bungi.com
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>Glass Patterns Quarterly is a = >magazine which=20 > as they say on the front of their
>magazine "Projects for = >every=20 > skill level. As far as I know they don't have a web
>site, but = >their=20 > e-mail address is
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>gpq@ilou.com
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>It is a = >very=20 > good magazine for beginners and and advanced=20 > alike.
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>Dave
>Margaret41@aol.com=20 > wrote:
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>> Does a web site exist for
>> = ><<=20 > Glass Pattern Quarterly >>? I have heard it is a magazine = >focused=20 > towards
>> beginners. If this is not the appropriate name = >for the=20 > beginner's mag, anyone
>> know the correct name?=20 > Thanks.
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>Dave=20 > & Lynn Loda
>Art Glass of=20 > = >Wenatchee
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> >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD2B0E.5F9CF3E0-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 08:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:02:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:02:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980127100233.007d82a0@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Jan27.52856.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... >just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 >that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... >Just a suggestion.... >Deidra >www.glasspatterns.com >www.spectrumglass.com/pattset.html Except that for a lot of mail readers, if you DON'T add the http:// the link is NOT clickable. For instance, I use Eudora Pro and without http the URLs typed in the above message are not clickable. It is my understanding from techie types that adding the http ALWAYS makes links clickable. I've never heard of links not being clickable with the http and I've actually never heard of links being clickable *without* the http - doesn't mean it doesn't work, I've just never seen clickable links without the http. Just my .02! Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 08:49:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199801271648.IAA26976@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Of course, the 1/8" copper edging wouldn't have a wide enough channel to >accommodate 1/4-inch glass (I'm grouting glass onto glass). > >Does anybody have an idea of how to do this? Copper plumber's tubing? How >would I get it to bend around the piece? Suzanne, What about cutting the backing piece of glass a little larger to accomodate the copper came...then the glass mosaic pieces would butt up close to the copper?? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 09:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:57:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: clickable links Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... > just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 > that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... That depends on which email software you're using, I think. There's actually nothing wrong with using the entire URL ... and it'll link, too, of course. What really isn't necessary is to repeat the entire previous message in order to comment on (or respond to) another post. Snip and save bandwidth. Albert (who's suffering from a muscular cramp/spasm in left arm resulting in flipper for left hand and has to type one-fingered with right hand ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 10:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:44:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:48:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... > >just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 > >that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... > >Just a suggestion.... > >Deidra > >www.glasspatterns.com > >www.spectrumglass.com/pattset.html > > Except that for a lot of mail readers, if you DON'T add the http:// the > link is NOT clickable. For instance, I use Eudora Pro and without http the > URLs typed in the above message are not clickable. It is my understanding > from techie types that adding the http ALWAYS makes links clickable. I've > never heard of links not being clickable with the http and I've actually > never heard of links being clickable *without* the http - doesn't mean it > doesn't work, I've just never seen clickable links without the http. > > Just my .02! If your mail program supports clickable links, it should be able to recognize the type of link (ftp://, http://, etc.) Without this designation, the mail reader doesn't know what kind of helper application to open. www.anything.com does not identify they link as hypertext. If you are reading your mail through a non-mail reader such as Netscape, since it is designed to read hypertext, it can recognize the "www.anything.com" as a link and inserts the "http://" before it. Not all web sites start with "www," for instance, our "Corporate Customer Help Pages" are http://customer.ccti.net/ (those pages aren't glass related, so don't go looking for beautiful glass there...yet. ) Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 12:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:59:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaley From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" Subject: C&R Loo -- policy clarification of "wholesale" and "retail" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 11:59:28 -0800 Message-ID: <9801278859.AA885931374@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following is a clarification I received from C&R Loo, Richmond, CA. Suzanne ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mail order C&R Loo (Fischer Antique Glass) Hot gl Author: at Internet Date: 1/27/98 12:54 PM Dear Suzanne, I just received this message and wanted to clarify the "wholesale" issue. Our "stained glass" & "stained glass supplies" are available to wholesale buyers at wholesale prices. To qualify for wholesale prices, we require a business licence or some form of business identification for out-of-state buyers. For California buyers, we require a California resale certificate. For our "hot glass" items, our prices are trade prices - anyone can buy; the prices are based on how much ones buys. "Wholesale" buyers generally buy in larger volumes and therfore receive lower prices. Since our Fischer Glass is not available everywhere and can be rather hard to find, we will sell it to individuals at a "retail" price if they can not find it elsewhere. If the person is in California, we charge tax, if we ship the glass out-of-state, we do not charge tax. People are also welcome to go to their local stained glass retail store and have them order the Fischer Glass from us. We will gladly ship the glass to the store. You wrote: > > > C&R Loo has a beautiful website. (http://www.crloo.com) > For those who have never seem Fischer Real Antique Glass, select > "Contemporary" from their menu. Many, many artists work shown with > bios. > > The site states under construction, but use the menu buttons at the > top. Their HOT GLASS catalog can be downloaded. Also under > "ordering" you will see no shipping charges on many items. Also offer > discounts for instructors, COD, etc. > > The warehouse is in Richmond, CA. > > Their email address is glass@crloo.com > > Suzanne Haley > Koi Glass Studio > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Mail order suppliers >Author: at Internet >Date: 1/27/98 1:48 AM > > >Oooops! I guess I bagged THAT one...didn't realize that Loo was >wholesale dist. only; for some reason I thought that they did retail >too. >Oh well-- c'est la vie! They would STILL be a good source of >information for retail mail-order on the west coast though don't you >think? > >Ciao for now! >V T Phelps >Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >Roanoke Island NC USA > >Albert Lewis wrote: >> > Does C & R Loo do mail orders? (They are located in California as far >> > as I know, and might be helpful as to what retail suppliers may be in >> > the area too!) >> >> As far as I know, every distributor ships to customers outside the >> city limits of their own immediate location. >> >> Albert Lewis, Executive Director >> International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. >> A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association >> 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 >> (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 >> _____________________________________________ >> Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ >> Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm >> Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm >> Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm >> Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from alto.mfi.com by mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Tue, 27 Jan 98 10:58:28 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.6]) by alto.mfi.com via smtpd (for sf1.mfi.com [198.71.17.200]) with SMTP; 27 Jan 1998 18:54:26 UT Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA23330 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:54:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:54:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801271854.MAA23330@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ala-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com(204.32.168.56) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023284; Tue Jan 27 12:53:38 1998 From: crloo@ix.netcom.com (O) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mail order C&R Loo (Fischer Antique Glass) Hot glass To: "Suzanne Haley" --simple boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 12:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:00:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wasted Bandwidth...was Clickable Links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:03:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.8330.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > What really isn't necessary is to repeat the entire previous message > in order to comment on (or respond to) another post. Snip and save > bandwidth. I couldn't agree with you more!!! Bandwidth is wasted each time a post is repeated (including the footer), when each of us retrieves it, when it is archived onto a website and when it is retrieved from that website. Think of the amount of glass that could be purchased if SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR BANDWIDTH INSTEAD...ouch, I just put a kink in my colon! Feel better quick, Albert :) Shirley Suter (who feels there should be a hefty tax on LAZINESS) INTRASTELLAR INTERNET SERVICE Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 12:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.101447.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lorna- Nice to hear your voice again! Wish I could drop by for a coffee. Went to look up where you're located in = Common Ground and you're not in there! Whereabouts are you in = Canada? And what's the shop called? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 12:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:36:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: re-subscribe pls Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:36:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.203611.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk pls add me back on the bungi-line...mailbox cleaned up..thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 12:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:42:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth...was Clickable Links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:45:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.8456.0> References: <<1998Jan27.8330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Holy Gee... Just saw this note written by my evil twin: Shirley Suter wrote: > Shirley Suter (who feels there should be a hefty tax on > LAZINESS) > INTRASTELLAR INTERNET SERVICE > Grapeland, Tx. Would like to clarify this note before the rotten fruit and vegetables start to fly.....I PROMISE IT WASN'T AIMED AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, LIVING OR DEAD, ON OR OFF THIS LIST. Waste is a pet-peave of mine and I just wrote the check for this month's bandwidth. Shirley Grapeland, Tx. <...hmmm. Need to add duct-tape to the shopping list and stop by the vet for my Hoof and Mouth vaccine> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 13:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: Whispy Blu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth...was Clickable Links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:05:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.21536.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-27 15:44:22 EST, you write: << Shirley Grapeland, Tx. >> Deb--I think Shirley Suter (above) is the one you have made plans with. The stepping stone Shirley is McBalloch or Balloch. GEES - GET IT RIGHT WOULD YOU - ROTFLMAO ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:59:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:59:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.5591.0> References: <<1998Jan27.8456.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk What is bandwidth and why do you have to pay for it and how do they(whoever they are) charge you for it? Sorry this isn't glass. But unanswered questions is one of my pet-peaves. If you would like to just let me know balloch@netbridge.net Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 17:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199801272220.RAA23408@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy, Thanks for your answer on the mosaic. I should have thought to just write you in the first place! Went to the hardware store and they have "bendable, softer copper" in about 1/8" width, it seems to be tubular. Also the same thing in 1/4", which is what I want (I think). Next question: How do you attach it to the mosaic? I am glueing glass onto glass and was going to have the cut glass tiles extend right to the edge of the glass circle. Somebody mentioned I could probably glue the tiles in a bit, and then use copper channeling around it but then the tiles would still stick up, right? This isn't actually mine, I'm doing it with a student (kind of the blind leading the blind). She really wants to frame it in copper somehow. How did your tabletop work out? How are your eyes? I had a wonderful day staying home cleaning up old panels, framing, etc., etc. Tonight I have a student and also tomorrow night. Hate to do evenings but sometimes you just gotta. Seems I'm drawing the 30-40 year old women and they all have jobs! (s) Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:42:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 15:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1998Jan27.5591.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > What is bandwidth and why do you have to pay for it and how do > they(whoever they are) charge you for it? > Sorry this isn't glass. But unanswered questions is one of my > pet-peaves. > If you would like to just let me know balloch@netbridge.net > Thanks in advance. > ---- well, consider: this message has to come to you over your phone line. it has to be stored at the server. it has to be sent by the server to N-hundred users, all who have to be sent a unique copy. a phone line can only pass so much. a server can only send so much out the phone line at a time, and only so many addresses in a period of time. who pays for the server storage space? who pays for the server phone line? who pays for the internet 'bandwidth' for all the messages that go between the server and your ISP? there is a limit somewhere for the size of the the internet pipe. that is called bandwidth. that is why the 'web' is slow sometimes in late evenings, the pipe is full. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:43:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: clickable links Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.124232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert says: "Snip and save bandwidth."" Amen, Albert. Sometimes it seems as though I'm getting a re-post of six or seven different posts when a little editing would speed up the = downloading process a good deal! It would be a kindness and consideration to all us folks that having well-worn and, = um, not-exactly-cutting-edge computers. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:52:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 17:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199801272252.RAA25879@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol wrote: > >What about cutting the backing piece of glass a little larger to accomodate >the copper came...then the glass mosaic pieces would butt up close to the >copper?? Carol, thanks for answering! However, I'm wondering then, wouldn't the mosaic pieces stick up above the copper channeling? Or maybe if I used the copper tubing, it would blend right in because the tubing would stick up a bit. Have you ever done this? Suzanne > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 14:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Question - Framing Wall Mosaics Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 17:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199801272255.RAA26087@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Elisabeth (and Toby): Thanks for your answer. I found copper tubing right in our local hardware store, and apparently it is "bendable." But I'm wondering if it would hide the edges of the mosaic pieces? Suzanne > >Dear Suzanne, >IF you decide to use plumber's copper tubing, then ask at your local >plumbing store, because plumbers themselves have a device where they >bend their copper tubing exactly to shape & to bend round akward >corners...... >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 16:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:59:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: anyone remember Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199801272359.PAA15458@mail1.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk One of my pet peeves was repetition and the posting of line and lines of copy with the only new part being a few words. I was accused of having an attitude when I suggested that personal posts be confined to THAT person and or topic. I agree about editing and not just repeating the message over and over and over and over and over, etc. Enjoy, H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 16:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:28:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan27.232837.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Lorna wrote: << Several months ago I asked for some ideas on how to tackle a project using chandalier jewels in the construction of a fire place screen: >> What a great use for those teardrop shaped chandelier crystals, Lorna! I have a bunch of these teardrop hanging crystals......does anyone have any suggestions about how I can creatively use them?? There are no peacocks on my glass horizon.....but I was wondering if anyone here ever figured out what to do with these ?? Thanks! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 16:21:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.141839.0> References: <<1998Jan27.232837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ItsAlison wrote: > > Lorna wrote: > > << Several months ago I asked for some ideas on how to tackle a project using > chandalier jewels in the construction of a fire place screen: >> > > What a great use for those teardrop shaped chandelier crystals, Lorna! > I have a bunch of these teardrop hanging crystals......does anyone have any > suggestions about how I can creatively use them?? There are no peacocks on my > glass horizon.....but I was wondering if anyone here ever figured out what to > do with these ?? Thanks! ~Alison~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i used one as an accent for my victorian chest. if it's good crystal, make a pendant with a little bit of cheap glass, then sell it for a bunch. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 17:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.95621.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Thank you Charles. Very nicely put and now I understand. I pay for it. You pay for it. How can Glenna afford it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 18:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:46:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What to do with Crystals. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:45:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.104543.0> References: <<1998Jan27.232837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk ItsAlison wrote: > I have a bunch of these teardrop hanging crystals......does anyone have any > suggestions about how I can creatively use them?? Put them in the center of a small free hanging panel. On the outside corners of the same type of panel. Hang them from or in an abstract suncatcher. Make a four sided square from bevels. Free hang it to look like a diamond and suspend a crystal in the center. Buy Crystal Catchers pattern book by Linda Bjornson a Valee Studios Publication copyright 1996 and do any or all of her wonderful patterns. Make them the face of an angel(IMHO free standing preferably). Use them on nite lites, or lamps. Wrap the pointy edge with copper foil, and then solder a ring to that. Then you can use it for an over head fan pull. or other place you want to hang it (that is if it doesn't already have a hole in it) Make a star Christmas Tree topper and put the crystal in the center of the star. Make a free standing Wizard and have him holding one. Make a large clock and use them in place of the numerals. Use them for bumble bee, hummingbird, elfs, fairies, butterfly, (?angel) wings. Bumble bee or butterfly bodies. Make an abstract out of glass, shells, rock slices and crystals. But don't hang them in your car from the rear veiw mirrow. under certain circumstances, they can momentarily blind other drivers. Or in my case think a policeman with his light on,is coming at you (must have been the bifocals!). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 18:51:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:50:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TCRESCINI From: TCRESCINI To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Delete from mail list Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:47:22 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.24722.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Please delete me from your mail list. Thank you, TCrescini@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 19:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:51:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glueing back of mirrors Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.174832.0> References: <<1998Jan26.65126.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:51:26 -0800 Shirley Balloch writes: >Will glue destroy the back of a mirror? And if so, should you use a >special glue. >Or Dave, should I just spray paint it black first and use good old >elmer's? >Thanks in advance. Just one thing to keep in mind. When you glue a mirror from the back you are gluing the paint on the back to the wall, not the mirror itself. Be sure to get extensive coverage across the whole back so that you aren't stressing the paint in one area. This can cause the mirroring in that area to go bad or the mirror to fall off outright. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 20:56:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:55:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hi Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:38:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.103845.0> References: <<199801272359.PAA15458@mail1.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm Laurean and kinda' new to all this. I have been doing glass for a few years, and have even sold a couple of panels. I haven't done any lamps yet, very intimidated! I look forward to learning alot from all of you! I do have a questions or two. The first is on pricing your work. What is the general rule of thumb on this? The second is advertising, Is it a good idea to do a newpaper add, flyers, yellow pages, what do you find works best for you? Thanks alot! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 22:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: What to do with Crystals. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:35:54 -0800 Message-ID: <199801280635.WAA31464@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >ItsAlison wrote: > >> I have a bunch of these teardrop hanging crystals......does anyone have any >> suggestions about how I can creatively use them?? I had a bunch of these crystals hanging around and used them to make Christmas angels decorations...bought a bunch of pewter angel charms from a wholesale bead dealer, cut off the loop with pliers and used epoxy to glue the angel to the flat side. They proved to be quite popular and were easy to make...good for a little gravy and a good filler in the low end (cheap) price point. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 27 23:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:20:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: made me laugh Date: Tue Jan 27 23:20:02 1998 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980127124501.006d4f8c@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley, Dani, Mike and all, Bungi has been pretty heavy the past week or so. Shirley and Mike, you made me laugh with all of your wonderful crystal suggestions. And I thought my mind works overtime when it comes to glass. Speaking of finding pleasure in stained glass, the local shop that I visit in Lethbridge, Alberta (about 200 miles north of Great Falls, Montana) is called Northern Lights Glass Studio and the couple who run it are very entertaining. Have a nick name for all of their customers....mine is Jabberjaws. You can always catch a coffee during the day and if you show up late in the afternoon on a Friday, there's always an invite for a brew. They know when I arrive that every sheet of glass in the shop will be pulled out...talk about patience and making sure that the customer leaves with that special piece of glass. They will order anything in, even one at a time. This couple has also enriched the art of stained glass in our area, in fact, are the founding members of a society. They will assist one on one with any project and work with me until I get it right. So you see, the moral to the story is to keep on laughing (even if it is over catching a visual on a crystal blinding a driver), keep on designing, and keep on crafting until you have created something truly remarkable. You can do this by surrounding yourself with people (at a local retail outlet, over the phone to a catalogue distributor, or even to a bunch of folks you have never met but communicate with on bungi) who make you feel good about what you do. It is a personal choice and all of our experiences are different. The one thing we have in common is stained glass. Sincerely, Lorna (P.S. Dani, I'm not in Common Ground) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 00:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:00:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:03:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.22311.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It also depends on the amount of "bandwidth" your ISP has....be it 1/2 T-1 or full T-1 or whatever.. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. >You wrote: >> What is bandwidth and why do you have to pay for it and how do >> they(whoever they are) charge you for it? >> Sorry this isn't glass. But unanswered questions is one of my >> pet-peaves. >> If you would like to just let me know balloch@netbridge.net >> Thanks in advance. >> ---- > >well, consider: this message has to come to you over your phone line. it has >to be stored at the server. it has to be sent by the server to N-hundred >users, all who have to be sent a unique copy. > >a phone line can only pass so much. a server can only send so much out the >phone line at a time, and only so many addresses in a period of time. > >who pays for the server storage space? who pays for the server phone line? >who pays for the internet 'bandwidth' for all the messages that go between the >server and your ISP? > >there is a limit somewhere for the size of the the internet pipe. that is >called bandwidth. that is why the 'web' is slow sometimes in late evenings, >the pipe is full. > >charlie > >--- >Charles Spitzer >charlie@az.stratus.com >Customer Assistance Center >Stratus Computer, Inc. >Phoenix, AZ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 00:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: always-online.com!little-suzie From: "Deidra Smalldridge" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan27.221411.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your ISP pays for it.....there for you are charged monthly for the service. If you are interested I can expand the whole concept... Just e-mail me. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Wasted Bandwidth. >What is bandwidth and why do you have to pay for it and how do >they(whoever they are) charge you for it? >Sorry this isn't glass. But unanswered questions is one of my >pet-peaves. >If you would like to just let me know balloch@netbridge.net >Thanks in advance. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 00:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:55:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Editing responses was :anyone remember Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:57:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.85739.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 16:04 27/01/98 -0500, Howard wrote in part: >One of my pet peeves was repetition and the posting of line and lines of >copy with the only new part being a few words. > >I agree about editing and not just repeating the message over and over and >over and over and over, etc. Apart from the extra time and space unedited postings take up (remember those of us in the UK pay phone charges for every second we are on line) I sometimes nearly miss the words of wisdom or questions posed when they are inserted in the middle of maybe two to ten screens full of the original posting and all the responses. I tend to read my bungi mail twice a day in "thread order" so when there is a hot debate and many messages all at once, I am very often scrolling through the repeats of the same message many times to search for the new content. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 06:28:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:26:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Art/Craft Shows Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 08:42:57 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.164257.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For those that do the art show circuit, how do you go about finding out where and when the shows are? I am not planning on selling anything this summer, but would like to travel around to various art/craft shows to see what kind of work is being done and sold. I am especially interested in juried art shows. Thanks, Dawn P.S. I am in Missouri, so would be interested in Art Councils or whoever is the clearinghouse for this kind of activity in Missouri, surrounding states, and any of the states in the Southeast, (Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc.). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:01:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: made me laugh Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.5012.0> References: <<2.2.32.19980127124501.006d4f8c@mail.telusplanet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote: > > Hi Shirley, Dani, Mike and all, > > Bungi has been pretty heavy the past week or so. Shirley and Mike, you made > me laugh with all of your wonderful crystal suggestions. And I thought my > mind works overtime when it comes to glass. > > Speaking of finding pleasure in stained glass, the local shop that I visit > in Lethbridge, Alberta (about 200 miles north of Great Falls, Montana) is > called Northern Lights Glass Studio and the couple who run it are very > entertaining. Have a nick name for all of their customers....mine is > Jabberjaws. You can always catch a coffee during the day and if you show up > late in the afternoon on a Friday, there's always an invite for a brew. > They know when I arrive that every sheet of glass in the shop will be pulled > out...talk about patience and making sure that the customer leaves with that > special piece of glass. They will order anything in, even one at a time. > This couple has also enriched the art of stained glass in our area, in fact, > are the founding members of a society. They will assist one on one with any > project and work with me until I get it right. > > So you see, the moral to the story is to keep on laughing (even if it is > over catching a visual on a crystal blinding a driver), keep on designing, > and keep on crafting until you have created something truly remarkable. You > can do this by surrounding yourself with people (at a local retail outlet, > over the phone to a catalogue distributor, or even to a bunch of folks you > have never met but communicate with on bungi) who make you feel good about > what you do. It is a personal choice and all of our experiences are > different. The one thing we have in common is stained glass. > > Sincerely, > > Lorna (P.S. Dani, I'm not in Common Ground) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass another use for crystal i've seen (the fatter ones anyway), are kalidoscopes. you make your mirror body as usaul, but instead of a wheel or marble, you use a hanging pendant. if it's a good crystal like Swarovski, it'll sparkle like a prism and give you all sorts of cool colors. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:22:56 -0600 Message-ID: <199801281509.JAA02247@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk - >For those that do the art show circuit, how do you go about finding >out where and when the shows are? I am not planning on selling >anything this summer, but would like to travel around to various >art/craft shows to see what kind of work is being done and sold. >I am especially interested in juried art shows. Coincidentally I received a trial mag offer in the mail recently from an outfit called "Sunshine Artist" which claims to "review the shows where the big money changes hands" and claims a listing of 2000 shows "juring tips to make the cut" "display tips to supercharge your income" among other things. Hmm? The buzz word cliche' laden copy doesn't doesn't fly with me but I will probably send for my *free* copy anyway . Anyone familiar with this publication? You can get a complete listing of Ren Fairs off the net also. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:17:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Crystals was: made me laugh Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.52016.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk That sounds like a good idea, Mike. Could you elaborate on how you hang = the crystal? And do you seal off both ends of your scope with clear = glass to keep the dust out? I notice in a lot of the kits, they leave = the object end open. Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA Mike said: another use for crystal i've seen (the fatter ones anyway), are kalidoscopes. you make your mirror body as usaul, but instead of a wheel or marble, you use a hanging pendant. if it's a good crystal like Swarovski, it'll sparkle like a prism and give you all sorts of cool colors. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Potpourri Holders at Warner-C. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:51:17 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.175117.0> References: <<1998Jan19.135244.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Attach rings either in the center of the hearts or at the sides. Put a > colored poporri in the bevel box part that matches the glass you > selected. Thread a satin ribbon that matches thru the rings. Voila! Hilary, Your potpourri holder sounds like a good idea, but I'm unclear on the part about the ribbon being tied to a ring. Is this a hanging potpourri holder and you hang it by the ribbon? Since it has a "V" shaped bottom, I guess it has to be a hanging holder. I think you're right about a picture being worth a thousand words. I think I need to see it. You said you saw it at W-C. Charles, do you have a picture of this on your website? Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:41:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:40:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Diacca Topp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: wasted bandwidth Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980128093941.007c1cf0@mail.tznet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI! Just a suggestion, at least put the "new" words at the beginning instead of the bottom of the repeated original. Simply, put cursor at top of old message, and hit Enter twice, then hit arrow up twice, then type the new message and it will all appear at the top of the E-Mail, with the original question etc., at the bottom for reference. Makes reading much easier than if we have to scroll down looking for new material. Thanks, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:45:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:40:54 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk i used one as an accent for my victorian chest. if it's good crystal, make a pendant with a little bit of cheap glass, then sell it for a bunch. ---Mike Savad Mike--you describe your chest as Victorian? Mine's more Rubenesque (sp?), but also often accented by a bauble.... Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:48:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:48:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:56:10 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > For those that do the art show circuit, how do you go about finding > out where and when the shows are? You might try Sunshine Artist, 2600 Temple Drive, Winter Park FL 32789. Phone: (800) 597-2573. Website: http://www.sunshineartist.com/ America's premier show and festival publication, highly recommended in the glass section of the HANDCRAFTS forum on CompuServe, Sunshine Artist brings you America's most up-to-date and authoritative overview of show and festival marketing opportunities. Your work sells. But in today's business climate, selling your work has become more competitive than ever. Think of Sunshine Artist as your market research department, helping you to locate new selling opportunities and acting as your early-warning radar when changes occur at established events. For just $2.49 a month . well, less for Guild members, since you get a 20% discount -- $5 off the regular $29.95 cost . you'll get detailed information on hundreds of new show and festival opportunities, and SA's national network of contributing editors will provide you with written reviews of dozens of recently held events. And once every year, Sunshine Artist ranks the 200 best outdoor art festivals, wholesale and retail contemporary craft shows and traditional/folk craft fairs in the United States. Considered the show and festival industry's report card, this giant special issue alone is worth the annual subscription rate -- but it's included in your subscription. Subscribe today; if at any time you're not satisfied with Sunshine Artist, they'll refund the unused portion of your subscription. This is from the Sources Guide, address below. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 07:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Crystals was: made me laugh Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.54727.0> References: <<1998Jan28.52016.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > That sounds like a good idea, Mike. Could you elaborate on how you hang = > the crystal? And do you seal off both ends of your scope with clear = > glass to keep the dust out? I notice in a lot of the kits, they leave = > the object end open. > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > > Mike said: > > another use for crystal i've seen (the fatter ones anyway), are > kalidoscopes. you make your mirror body as usaul, but instead of a wheel > or marble, you use a hanging pendant. if it's a good crystal like > Swarovski, it'll sparkle like a prism and give you all sorts of cool > colors. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass from what i remember, the crystal hung from a piece of chain or fishing line. attached to the top of the scope was a heavy wire, like brazing rod. in which it was then decorated with solders and small jewels. or it could be hidden with a piece of arched glass. the crystal itself hung from this, so the user could spin the crystal. i think there was about a 1/4" to 1/2" space between the crystal and the scope. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 08:03:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:02:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: from chandaliers to peacocks Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.6117.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kaye Sodt wrote: > > i used one as an accent for my victorian chest. if it's good crystal, > make a pendant with a little bit of cheap glass, then sell it for a > bunch. > > ---Mike Savad > > Mike--you describe your chest as Victorian? Mine's more Rubenesque > (sp?), but also often accented by a bauble.... > > Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.... > > Kaye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i dunno, i just kinda looked at it and it told me victorian. i think it's because of the multi curved roof. what general shape is rubenesque? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 08:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:37:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:36:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.16362.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-28 10:19:31 EST, you write: << Coincidentally I received a trial mag offer in the mail recently from an outfit called "Sunshine Artist" which claims to "review the shows where the big money changes hands" and claims a listing of 2000 shows "juring tips to make the cut" "display tips to supercharge your income" among other things. Hmm? The buzz word cliche' laden copy doesn't doesn't fly with me but I will probably send for my *free* copy anyway . Anyone familiar with this publication? >> Hello Len, I am familiar with the Sunshine Artist publication. If you are wanting to follow the show circuit from state to state, doing big shows then this magazine may be of use to you. They feature printed information about big promoter shows, and do evaluate the shows for potential exhibitors. Smaller shows are listed in a state by state section, and depend on the state reporter to gather information about local shows and present it in a digested format. The magazine is worth a look-see to determine if it has any value to you. Just be careful that your "free issue" isn't in reality a trial subscription....or you may find it hard to cancel the magazine once it keeps comming to your mailbox. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 09:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Request for Pricing Information Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 11:46:50 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.194650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I accidentally deleted the message from the person requesting some information about pricing. Whoever sent that message, please e-mail me at dawnm@fidnet.com and I will send you some info that will keep you from having to search through all the archives for past discussions on that matter. Also, you can take a look at http://www.riordanartistry.com//index.htm. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 10:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:12:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Arts and Craft show URL Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.8126.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There are a few sites on the net that will give you info on arts and craft shows. Here is one that I have: http://www.festivalnet.com/ jazzykid@tir.com in Michigan One of my favorite sayings this week: "This person is so dense, light bends around him/her" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 10:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Pricing & Advertising Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.8331.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Laurean: > I do have a questions or two. The first is on pricing your work. What is the general rule of = thumb on this? The second is advertising, Is it = a good idea to do a newpaper add, flyers, yellow pages, what do you find works best for you?< Firstly, welcome to bungi! If you check the archives, I believe there is a good discussion on pricing. As to advertising, I think it depends on your situation as to the type of advertising which will work best for you. I have a combination studio and retail finished art glass store in a suburban area. The best advertising for my $$ has been the Yellow Pages ads. I took out a very modest ad in the Yellow Pages of the nearest three coverage areas, and have had business generated from those ads. I tried advertising in the local newspapers, but I don't think the stained glass business is well served by spot advertising. The majority of my business is commission work, which is not an impulse buy or the result of "sales" advertising. I mostly make to order. So I concentrate my advertising on long-term advertising products such as the Yellow Pages. But when I am involved in a special show (such as a festival), or am having an in-house event (grand opening, artist show, etc.) I definitely use direct mail. I have built up a good-sized mailing list from customers and prospects, and have bulk mail privileges through my community business association. I also have a "brag book" with photographs of my best work. On the back of each photo is a return address label, the title of the work, its dimensions, and its retail price. I have this book available for browsers to look through whether at my store, at my booth during a show, or I can even mail it to selected prospects. Hope some of this helps! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 11:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:15:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Request for Pricing Information Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.91511.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn- It sounds as though you have become the designated bungi archivist! You're really a peach to offer to send folks info all the time. Do you by chance have = a file going of all the URL's that get posted on bungi? And I = wouldn't mind an ongoing reading list to which we can add new materials as they get published. Sounds like a lot of work, but what a great resource! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 11:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Editing responses was :anyone remember Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.91526.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for your input, Elizabeth! We are so spoiled in America that we forget the entire world might not receive the same benefits we do. I can't imagine being charged for every minute I'm on the phone. Gads! Hope we're all considerate enough to think about our friends across the pond(s). Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 12:42:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:41:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Sue Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re-bar Question Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:42:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.8428.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Oh for that picture worth a thousand words! Just finishing up a 35" X = 17" Victorian type leaded panel. The outside border is various sizes of = bevels (2" squares & rectangles) with coordinating glass from the main = inside part. The main part of the panel is made up of fleur-de-les on = each end connected by a semi-circular piece of glass about 1& 1/2" = wide. (on the bottom and top) sort a ribbon like effect. In the center = is a medallion type 8 piece floral center with a 2 " antique jewel in = the center of that. Most of the background glass is clear. This leaves me with no real horizontal place to put the re-bar except = for the top and bottom, 2 inches in where the border is. This leaves the = inside 14" unsupported. Since I am just over the mythical 4 square ft. = rule for re-bar, what do I do? I have considered bending the re-bar to = fit the pattern but I have no place to run it to the outside zinc = border. Does re-bar do any good if it doesn't run the entire horizontal = width (from side to side)? I am thinking if I only put it in the center = part of the panel it will only add more weight and no support. Thanks in advance for your input...(good or bad) Sue Reitmann (who didn't plan ahead and travels over 2 hours to her = retailer because he is the most accommodating man I have ever met and = also gives me a 20-40% discount on all purchases.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 14:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:59:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-bar Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:07:46 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does re-bar do any good if it doesn't run the entire horizontal = > width (from side to side)? I am thinking if I only put it in the center = > part of the panel it will only add more weight and no support. That's right, Sue. The support bars must span the window and beyond it so they sit in the frame. That way, the frame supports the bars and the bars, which are wired and soldered to the panel, support it. Otherwise, as you correctly surmise, the panel is supporting the "support bars," which isn't what's wanted. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 14:49:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:47:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:47:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.64718.0> References: <<1998Jan28.16362.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk If you want to go a smaller route. Go to a show that you are familiar with and has been popular in your area for many years. Be a customer. Look at the booths. You can tell which vendor has been doing this for quite some time. Browse, even buy something, then tell them you are planning on doing this, but not for a couple of years yet. Don't do this in a stained glass booth, the vendor has enough competition and won't share if he considers you a threat. Ask him if he knows of a publication like a crafter's guide to bazaars, festivals, craft and art shows, fairs (not carnivals). Tell him you are just want to look at a few shows and to see what they are like. Then if you don't get any body language or language for that fact, that he is unwilling to share, then ask him where his next shows are and which shows he would recommend doing. Got to be gutsy in this business. Then go down a few more booths, find another vendor and ask him where his next shows are. Get a list of show dates. Then go check them out. Or if you have found a publication,by all means buy it and go see the ones that appeal to you. And here above all; follow your gut. If that inner voice is saying don't go. Don't! When you are doing shows. Figure out what you expect to sell. Take four times that amount of inventory. To keep that pace, one show a month should be sufficient. And if at all feasible, never do a show you haven't seen before hand. My best shows have been in isolated areas, where they have no more than 2 shows a year, and the shows have been running for at least 10 years. That isolated theory also works in cities. Customers stick to their part of town. So, if say, the west side only has one show a year, while the south side has 20, I would do that one show. I have also found Spring and Christmas to be the best time of year. As for the guides to sales throughout the US. It has been my experience that the fees for these events start at $450 then add cost of electricity, table&chair fees, and parking fees. And if they are not well promoted and you have a lot of empty booths around you. Well you have lost alot of potential sales. Especially check these ones out before you participate. The public has to pay at the door for most of these and they don't return year after year if the jurying process is not as advertised. And I fear it is a hard truth. Don't expect to make any money the first year. Chalk it up to learning the business. An education you would have to pay a college for! So welcome to the road and here's hoping you like to travel and pack and unpack and pack and unpack and pack and unpack. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 15:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:07:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re-bar Question Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:06:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.13642.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sue- I don't think you have a thing to worry about in the way of reinforcement - we do lots of windows in roughly that size, even larger and don't feel the need to reinforce them, certainly not with rebar. Remember, the original function of rebar was to stiffen windows against wind pressure - do you really have that problem to contend with? Or is this = installed in a slamming front door? Something to consider next time you're designing a larger window is to perhaps include some wider lead so you can add your supports without destroying the aesthetics of the design. (Sorry, Albert, I know it's traditional to add support = randomly, but most of the time I hate the look. The artist takes precedence over the craftsman.) Also, don't forget Re-strip. I'm not sure where the 4-foot myth comes from - the myth I learned was 14 feet perimeter. If I had a 3.5 foot square window, I wouldn't worry about reinforcing especially if it was in a wood frame or stopped in against plate glass. That's presuming it's installed vertically - if = it's horizontal -say, in a skylight - of course you would need to reinforce. If it was 1' x 14' , well, that's another entirely different situation. One of my favorite old-time tricks is building a larger window in sections, then sandwiching the lead cames and "tying" them together with wires soldered onto the cames. It's quite effective, though I'd hate to think how the conservators might feel about it! I'm sure I'll hear about it! ,) Best regards, Dani Greer (who is doing everything in her power to get away from the accounting chores! Clean toilet, anyone?) = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 15:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: clocks Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:24:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan28.23246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-21 15:26:57 EST, you write: << I found a supplier near our studio that sells clock movements that are battery operated but have actual mechanical gong rods for the chime. the movements can also be fitted with a pendulum. >> Hello, Can you share this supplier's name and phone number with us please? Thanks, Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 16:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:56:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Arts and Crafts Fairs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:58:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.115819.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The recent thread on fairs made me wonder if anyone has ever had a booth at the Cedar Lakes Arts and Crafts Fair at Ripley, WV that is held over the week of the 4th of July each year? It is the largest craft fair in our state and has been held for many (at least 20) years. I was approached by a few friends on doing a co-op of various crafts and sharing a booth, and sharing the effort. None of us are big enough to do it alone. I do know that you have to be juried. But do you think this would fly? And if you have ever participated there, what were your results? They hold the fair in my back door, seven miles from my house. Even if they don't allow co-ops I would like to be able to do this in 1999 by myself. Thanks for any advise. P.S. And you guys were right, I have rosin core solder that I asked about. But surprisingly it cleans up nicely and seems to take patina better than my 60/40. Odd, huh? Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 17:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.15022.0> References: <<1998Jan28.164257.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Here is the net address for "Trade Show Central" a searchable trade show database with info on all kinds of shows, from Craft Fairs to Gem & Mineral shows to Industry Trade Shows. http://www.tscentral.com/ I found this recently and am still exploring it. I also subscribe to Sunshine Artist (very useful for big shows) and Lapidary Journal which lists Gem & Mineral shows in the back of the Magazine. I do try to do the smaller less costly (booth fees) shows near me, and avoid the big city shows. Since I am in Florida, there are plenty of shows. Not all good ones though. Only experience can tell you which ones are good for your particular type of Art Glass or crafts. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Dawn wrote: > > For those that do the art show circuit, how do you go about finding > out where and when the shows are? I am not planning on selling > anything this summer, but would like to travel around to various > art/craft shows to see what kind of work is being done and sold. > I am especially interested in juried art shows. > Thanks, > Dawn > > P.S. I am in Missouri, so would be interested in Art Councils or > whoever is the clearinghouse for this kind of activity in Missouri, > surrounding states, and any of the states in the Southeast, > (Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc.). > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 17:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:50:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: from chandaliers to peacocks Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199801290150.BAA06768@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, "Rotund", nMike, very rotund. Another descriptive word might be voluptuous..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mike (Savad) asked: what general shape is rubenesque? ---Mike Savad ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 17:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:50:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Editing responses was :anyone remember Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199801290150.BAA06771@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk EliZabeth, Absolutely Right!! I have for a very long ting time tried to persuade Bunginians to "edit" sensibly and thoughtfully, put their comments at the TOP of their e-mails rather than having to scroll, scroll and scroll down before FINALLY arriving at the reply, which quite often might just be a one- or two-liner. Over a period of almost 3 years now, we all know who is who, and who does what. It needs that ONE courageous, D I P L O M A T I C person to take the plunge. In one or two cases , this unfortunate habit comes from the people we really do value, who ALWAYS are so instantly quick on the reply-button and who do come up with absolute "gold nuggets" of help, advice and information, generously given. The ideal situation should be for the reply/response to come FIRST, then (and only THEN) for allowing some scrolling down for refreshing the memory of the comment/s replied to. - if necessary . Also to edit out lines and lines of unnecessary verbiage (like repeating Bungi suffixes 2-3-4 times and lists after lists of "sayings and WEB-page references and "plugs". All of this you and I "OVER HERE" in UK have to pay for in extra individual charge-seconds on the phone-line. Insertions inside "mid-quotes" are absolute killers. So often you miss them the first or second time round, so you have to scroll up and down several times, before you find the comment "hidden" in amongst the Quotation (it's not always terribly clear...). So for us in the UK, that could be another 2 dollars down the plug-hole (per e-mail!!) Sometimes, the Bungi e-mail list is about 60-70 e-mails per DAY. Inconsiderate editing will cost us unnecessarily up to 120 dollars EXTRA per day on telephone charges....(2 x 70 = 140). Sensible, sensitive and thoughtful composition and editing would help US across the Pond, who have a different telephone charge system from you folks in USA. That is, of course, if you would like us to be with you..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK EliZabeth in Bournemouth wrote: Apart from the extra time and space unedited postings take up (remember those of us in the UK pay phone charges for every second we are on line) I sometimes nearly miss the words of wisdom or questions posed when they are inserted in the middle of maybe two to ten screens full of the original posting and all the responses. I tend to read my bungi mail twice a day in "thread order" so when there is a hot debate and many messages all at once, I am very often scrolling through the repeats of the same message many times to search for the new content. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 17:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:50:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199801290150.BAA06780@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani, Your are not doing too bad, by my reckoning...;-) Always enjoy your posts. Turkish 14-year old God-Son currently keeping me on my toes for 48 hours a day. Got him into glass-cutting and he is really enjoying it. He has determined he will make and complete a small panel (leaded) to take home to Istanbul with him (When he grows up he wants to become an architect!) I am concluding that there is in reality no such thing as East-West divide. He has already seen 3 of my installations. It would be a real thrill if I could give him an awareness and enthusiasm about stained glass on his way home to Turkey. He is incredibly bright and really "with it". I think I will see him again in about 4-5 years time, knocking on my door. Then I think he might also be ready for a trip to Sweden & Scandinavia to absorb architecture, style and design there. Sometimes, it's more exciting being a God-Mother than being a Mother... Kris, my computer guru, is taking him off my hands tomorrow to visit the Science Museum in London. That will give me a chance to get going on progress on ONE panel (of two) that SHOULD have been installed by Christmas..... and wasn't, in the South of England. The builders and decorators now chase me for wanting at least ONE panel, to co-ordinate the colour schemes. If only they knew the REAL meagre of progress I have made. I have 10 days to finish the first panel, drive down and install it. Phew!! In the meantime, there is a second computer in this house, (supplied by Kris - for the duration of the visit) with nothing else but computer GAMES!!) So whilst placating and reassuring builders and decorators one minute, I got persuaded into sharing some silly computer game about WORMS!! I ask you!!! Elisabeth 'n (very patient) Toby in UK Dani wrote: Hope we're all considerate enough to think about our friends across the pond(s). ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 18:30:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Arts and Crafts Fairs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:26:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.102646.0> References: <<1998Jan28.115819.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk They hold the fair in my back door, seven miles from my house. > Even if they don't allow co-ops I would like to be able to do this I highly recommend doing this show. It is a great learning experience. Esp. if it is your first. No travel or lodging expenses. Just a short phone call away from help or a quick run home for forgotten items or new ideas. Close to family and friends to give you a break, cigarrette or potty. Close enough to set up the night before when you can really take your time to do it. You can make two trips with props etc. so you don't have to overload your car. Or you can afford to pack both cars. Hopefully you will be coming home with half the product you take. And your day won't be so long because you are not hours on the road coming and going to the show. You'll be more refreshed and if you have a product that is easy to sell and quick to make, you will have time that evening to make a few more(if they are selling well). Which reminds me. One way to draw people into your both is to be doing your product. So if it is slow and there will be slow times. It is a great time to do foiling and it fascinates the customers. Plus it is a good time to plug the local retailers. You always get a, "Where do you get your glass?" question. Don't forget boutiques, esp. Spring and Christmas. They take 25-40% and a $10-25 registration fee, but you only have travel expenses and you can stay home and make product or be at another show. I have always done my shows alone, but you get to meet the other vendors and become friends. I have heard many tales of choosing wrong partners. I guess it can be quite a nightmare, esp. when it comes to figuring who sold what. Even if these people are your best friends for life. Make a contract and get a solid way of figuring your sales. The best way I have seen is to make a price tag. Make codes for the product and for the artist making the product. Put these codes on a lower corner of the price tag and when it is sold, cut that corner off. Keep the corners in a basket and use them to settle up and keep track of what sells. If you have room on that tag, keep tract of the colors that sell. It will help determine what you make next year. Let us know how well you do and good luck. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 19:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:31:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246 To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Soldering Irons Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:25:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.32545.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk I have a couple of ?? First,I've got this soldering Iron from Inland!! The screws that hold the thing together keep falling out whenever I start soldering! I've put them back in over and over again,but I guess the holes are striped. Any Ideas on how to keep them in? And this started happening the first time I used it! told the retailer,and she said they all do that and just blew it off !! And another thing from Inland that I got was a pistol grip cutter and it leaks from the seams,I already have heard that they all leak,but at the seams where it was put together??Does anybody have an E-Mail Address for Inland? I sure would like them to know that The first couple of things that I got to start doing stained glass with ,isn't worth a flipp!!! Thanks,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 19:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:38:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: made me laugh Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:35:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.173510.0> References: <<1998Jan28.5012.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, Is anyone else going to the AGSA Meeting in Orlando this weekend?? I'll check mail in the morning before I leave. I guess we will all have name tags at the reception Friday night, but wonder about wearing a small bungi cord bracelet??? Let me know, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M. Savad wrote: > > daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote: > > > > Hi Shirley, Dani, Mike and all, > > > > Bungi has been pretty heavy the past week or so. Shirley and Mike, you made > > me laugh with all of your wonderful crystal suggestions. And I thought my > > mind works overtime when it comes to glass. > > > > Speaking of finding pleasure in stained glass, the local shop that I visit > > in Lethbridge, Alberta (about 200 miles north of Great Falls, Montana) is > > called Northern Lights Glass Studio and the couple who run it are very > > entertaining. Have a nick name for all of their customers....mine is > > Jabberjaws. You can always catch a coffee during the day and if you show up > > late in the afternoon on a Friday, there's always an invite for a brew. > > They know when I arrive that every sheet of glass in the shop will be pulled > > out...talk about patience and making sure that the customer leaves with that > > special piece of glass. They will order anything in, even one at a time. > > This couple has also enriched the art of stained glass in our area, in fact, > > are the founding members of a society. They will assist one on one with any > > project and work with me until I get it right. > > > > So you see, the moral to the story is to keep on laughing (even if it is > > over catching a visual on a crystal blinding a driver), keep on designing, > > and keep on crafting until you have created something truly remarkable. You > > can do this by surrounding yourself with people (at a local retail outlet, > > over the phone to a catalogue distributor, or even to a bunch of folks you > > have never met but communicate with on bungi) who make you feel good about > > what you do. It is a personal choice and all of our experiences are > > different. The one thing we have in common is stained glass. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Lorna (P.S. Dani, I'm not in Common Ground) > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > another use for crystal i've seen (the fatter ones anyway), are > kalidoscopes. you make your mirror body as usaul, but instead of a wheel > or marble, you use a hanging pendant. if it's a good crystal like > Swarovski, it'll sparkle like a prism and give you all sorts of cool > colors. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 19:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: AGSA MEETING IN ORLANDO THIS WEEKEND Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.173654.0> References: <<1998Jan28.115819.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Opps forgot to change the heading----- Hi All, Is anyone else going to the AGSA Meeting in Orlando this weekend?? I'll check mail in the morning before I leave. I guess we will all have name tags at the reception Friday night, but wonder about wearing a small bungi cord bracelet??? Let me know, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 20:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:03:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering Irons Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:03:20 -0800 Message-ID: <199801290403.UAA24629@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Damon: It is unfortunate when tools do not work like they are supposed to. You can call Inland toll free at 1-800-521-8428 I'm sure they will be happy to replace your iron and even your cutter. I hope this doesn't start a thread on mfgs. but occasionally problems with equipment do arise and every mfg has an obligation to make things right. And it is very unfortunate that your retailer just shrugged you off because he/she also has the same obligation. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 20:57:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:56:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Editing responses was :anyone remember Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.184059.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- Do you have to be on-line to read your bungi mail? I have CompuServe and just down-load all my mail which sometimes takes ten minutes, then I = disconnect, and THEN I read my mail at leisure without being on-line. I think most folks over here do it that way no matter who the server. Gad, you must spend a bloody fortune on phone = expenses! Over here, most of us pay no more than $20 to the server and the actual phone time is a local call or flat fee (for me about $37 for the business line). I almost hate to ask what your = postal fees are these days! Even though I don't snip and re-post, I'll make a special effort to keep my posts more succinct. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 21:00:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: AGSA meeting Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.185345.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lee- Wish I were closer to Orlando - I'd go to the conference just to say"howdy" to you! Have fun. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 28 22:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.194914.0> References: <<1998Jan27.14556.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote it and I too would love to sshare a cup of coffee and feel like I had a friend in the business. I love doing stained glass and being legally bling ( work with a magnifing glass) I have lots of questions. I'm looking for a good retail store close to my home. I live in Greenwood, IN. Indpls is close. Wish you were closer Albert. Mary On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:45:56 EST ItsAlison writes: >In a message dated 98-01-26 15:49:30 EST, you write: > ><< my customers drop in just for coffee and a chat and it makes the >day much >shorter. I don't think my experience is all that uncommon. If you have >a >terrible retailer open your eyes and look around. I'm sure you'll find >five >others to take that place and be an honest, caring and helpful >retailer. >> > >I am confused as to whether Mary or Albert wrote this part of a recent >post, >but whoever it was I have to commend you on your great customer >relations. I >think if any of the local retailers where I shop ever offered me a cup >of >coffee, I'd wonder if I was asleep and dreaming. I've been reading >your >posts, Albert, and your customers are very lucky to have you as their >retailer. Some may feel that this kind of talk is not on topic to the >business of glass, but I feel there is much more to this newsgroup >than giving >tips or answering questions. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 03:01:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:59:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Re-bar Question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:10:06 -0600 Message-ID: <199801291057.EAA11857@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re-bar Question >>Remember, the original function of >rebar was to stiffen windows against >wind pressure - Good point Dani, I agree completely. As far as I can recall this is the first mention of bracing and wind load. >One of my favorite old-time tricks is building >a larger window in sections, then >sandwiching the lead cames and >"tying" them together with wires soldered >onto the cames. I'm a little unclear about what you mean is this a variation on a "slip joint" ? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 05:21:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering Irons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:20:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.132032.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrew,thanks alot to the toll free number to Inland,I'll give them a call!! Damon :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 05:53:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:52:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-857851336-2597 Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:52:12 -0800 Message-ID: <199801291352.FAA18992@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-857851336-2597 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually, the text in question here was written by Jennifer McDonald of Fusion Glass in Calgary, Canada on Jan.26. So Jennifer, if and when you read this...I look forward to meeting you and visiting your store if I ever make it up your way. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio --WebTV-Mail-857851336-2597 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan28.194914.0> References: <<1998Jan27.14556.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote it and I too would love to sshare a cup of coffee and feel like I had a friend in the business. I love doing stained glass and being legally bling ( work with a magnifing glass) I have lots of questions. I'm looking for a good retail store close to my home. I live in Greenwood, IN. Indpls is close. Wish you were closer Albert. Mary On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:45:56 EST ItsAlison writes: >In a message dated 98-01-26 15:49:30 EST, you write: > ><< my customers drop in just for coffee and a chat and it makes the >day much >shorter. I don't think my experience is all that uncommon. If you have >a >terrible retailer open your eyes and look around. I'm sure you'll find >five >others to take that place and be an honest, caring and helpful >retailer. >> > >I am confused as to whether Mary or Albert wrote this part of a recent >post, >but whoever it was I have to commend you on your great customer >relations. I >think if any of the local retailers where I shop ever offered me a cup >of >coffee, I'd wonder if I was asleep and dreaming. I've been reading >your >posts, Albert, and your customers are very lucky to have you as their >retailer. Some may feel that this kind of talk is not on topic to the >business of glass, but I feel there is much more to this newsgroup >than giving >tips or answering questions. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-857851336-2597-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 06:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:57:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: soldering irons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.15631.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Dudly ...Sorry to hear about the proplems with the Inland Products..we have been using using the l00 Watt Iron in the shop or about 18 mos. now and all the students like them...Have not had any problems with them....I know Inland would be glad to replace the products..I think your retailer should have taken care of this problem himself....... Good luck.....Talk with your retailer again.....??? Hope you have a nice day. Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 06:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:57:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mary Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:51:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.05114.0> References: <<1998Jan28.194914.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Mary J Austin wrote: > > Albert wrote it and I too would love to sshare a cup of coffee and feel > like I had a friend in the business. I love doing stained glass and being > legally bling ( work with a magnifing glass) I have lots of questions. > I'm looking for a good retail store close to my home. I live in > Greenwood, IN. Indpls is close. Wish you were closer Albert. > Mary > Hi Mary, I am new to this list, and just recieved your letter. My husband and my best friends are an elderly blind couple. Though they are completely blind. The closet retail store we have is 80 miles north of here in Sioux Falls south Dakota. I found the man to be pompous. So I too am alone in the venture of mine. Thats why I love this list. If you ever feel like chatting glass, please give a holler, I have a tendency to bore people with my ramblings! HA! I don't profess to be full of great wisdom as I haven't been doing this for long... Anyway, see, I have rambled. I look forward to hearing from you someday! Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><)))> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 07:00:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:58:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Irons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.45728.0> References: <<1998Jan29.32545.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dudley246 wrote: > > I have a couple of ?? First,I've got this soldering Iron from Inland!! The > screws that hold the thing together keep falling out whenever I start > soldering! I've put them back in over and over again,but I guess the holes are > striped. Any Ideas on how to keep them in? And this started happening the > first time I used it! told the retailer,and she said they all do that and just > blew it off !! And another thing from Inland that I got was a pistol grip > cutter and it leaks from the seams,I already have heard that they all leak,but > at the seams where it was put together??Does anybody have an E-Mail Address > for Inland? I sure would like them to know that The first couple of things > that I got to start doing stained glass with ,isn't worth a flipp!!! > Thanks,Damon > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass inlands address is http://www.thestorefinder.com/manufacturers/inlandman.html i would get new tools, none of that should be happening. in any case inland makes better grinders then hand tools. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 07:43:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:42:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler 4 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Mary from Indiana Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:39:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.15399.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Hi Mary, I too am from Indiana, Guilford to be exact, its near Aurora and Lawrencburg In. There is a good shop not too far from you in Columbus In. called the Glass Managarie, he carries lots of glass and supplies,The phone # 1-800-428 8049.There are also some good shops in Indy,one being the Fox Studios, I'm not sure of their phone#, but they are one of the best studios in the area.I'm sure that there are others in the Indy area. If you need anymore info E-mail me at Beveler4@aol.com (Stan). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 07:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:45:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: soldering irons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:44:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.04431.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just a note on the soldering irons from Inland. I have had only one come back to me from one of my students (she said it got too hot). I replaced it with a more expensive iron (no questions asked). I have always placed my students and clients at the top of my list. They have been my bread and butter. I value their input and try to answer their questions, no matter how trivial they seem. I have had several pistol grip cutters that have leaked. I tell my students about it before they purchase and suggest that they put very little oil in it and then store it in a baggie. All things considered, I have enjoyed Inland products for years and if there was a question they were always most helpful. Just my $.02 worth. Dianne Maddison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 08:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:30:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: posts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:30:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.163012.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Precedence: bulk Ok I;m not the diplomatic type but someone has to do it I'm willing to take the plunge! Mike Savad I think this is aimed at YOU!: > Over a period of almost 3 years now, we all know who is who, and who > does what. It needs that ONE courageous, D I P L O M A T I C > person to take the plunge. In one or two cases , this unfortunate > habit comes from the people we really do value, who ALWAYS are so > instantly quick on the reply-button and who do come up with absolute > "gold nuggets" of help, advice and information, generously given. > The ideal situation should be for the reply/response to come FIRST, > then (and only THEN) for allowing some scrolling down for > refreshing the memory of the comment/s replied to. - if necessary . > Also to edit out lines and lines of unnecessary verbiage (like > repeating Bungi suffixes 2-3-4 times and lists after lists of > "sayings and WEB-page references and "plugs". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 08:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:39:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Art/Craft Shows Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 10:18:27 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.181827.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you Len, Albert, "Jazzykid", Shirley, and Lee for your suggestions on locating the art shows. I'm not really interested in doing shows right now, but like to travel and want to try to fit in some of the bigger shows in this summer so I can go see what everyone's making. My real interest in just to get ideas of things to make for gifts, etc. Thanks again, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 09:45:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hi Steph Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.22834.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Small world huh? I am indeed the same person who had the store in Red Oak, Tx. I am right across the road from you. E-mail me so we can get together. I have the studio all set up now. It took me long enough. I have plenty of supplies and glass and will try to assist you in anyway I can. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 10:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:49:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Wissmach Glass Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 12:06:20 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.20620.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have an e-mail address for Wissmach, or an 800 no.? I went to their website on Art Glass World, but can't find a way to contact other than a long-distance phone call. I need to know their days and hours of operation if anyone has that information handy. Thanks, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 10:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:18:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 12:34:34 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan29.203434.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians in Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, & Illinois I'm going to be driving over 1000 miles the end of next week from Virginia Beach to home. It's a business trip and can't take a long time getting back, but I would like to make some interesting glass stops along the way to help break up the trip and make it a little more bearable. Do you know of any great glass spots, such as great stores, manufacturers, museums, etc. that would be somewhat close to I-64 through those states? I'm willing to go out of my way for a "must-see". Some of the larger areas I'll be going through include Richmond, Charleston, Huntington, Lexington, and Louisville. I'm looking into the possibility of detouring to Wissmach, and Blenko is right on the way. Does Blenko have anything to offer if don't do dalle de vere? I'm also contemplating a detour to Kokomo. So do any of you have any suggestions? Now, off to see if I can find out if I'm going to be contending with any blizzards while East. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 10:57:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:44:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Genuine Tiffany prices? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:35:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199801291835.SAA01123@jackel.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for some information that I have not been able to find on the web. What is the least that you would expect to pay for a genuine - as in came from the workshops of Louis Comfort Tiffany - lampshade? Also, what is the record price? The reason that I need this info is that I will be giving a talk on Saturday at a local art gallery in Coventry and have already had people pointing out adverts in the local newspapers which say "Genuine Tiffany Lamps - from (U.K.pounds)37" Thanks for any information that you can give, Mike Simpson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 11:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:14:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.91637.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, yes. Do stop by Blenko. They have a very nice store with lots of blown glass. Also they have sheet glass and sell by the pound. Just around the corner = is Gibson glass and their paperwieght and marbles are worth a stop-by. = If you will be there during the week days, both spots offer a walk thru = to watch the artists at work. There are several other glass places in = the area. Stop at an information site along the highway and get a list. = Have fun. By the way, I'm a neighbor....Suffolk, VA Linda Campbell Do you know of any great glass spots, such as great stores, manufacturers, museums, etc. that would be somewhat close to I-64 through those states? I'm willing to go out of my way for a "must-see". Some of the larger areas I'll be going through=20 include Richmond, Charleston, Huntington, Lexington, and=20 Louisville. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 11:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:32:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Re-bar Question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:32:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.93217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Len asks: 'Is this a variation on a "slip joint"'? = Yup, and if memory serves me, either Jennie French or the Metcalf's (or both) have = nice line drawings demonstrating the = technique in their books. I've also heard it referred to as "kissing" but that always gets a raised eyebrow - though I'm not sure it sounds any less professional than "nesting" or "sandwiching"! We don't use the technique very often, but it's sure a = slick and handy one to know about. What's your version of a slip joint? Best regards, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 12:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:01:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Blenko glass ...was Glass sites Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:07:45 -0600 Message-ID: <199801291957.NAA20934@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk - >Blenko is right on the way. Does Blenko have anything to offer >if don't do dalle de vere? You bet! Blenko makes some great sheet glass. Good antique-like clarity, nice color range, easy to cut, interesting texture.... a little like muffle without the machine uniformity. The main feature is the dramatic variation in thickness within a single sheet which offers opportunity for unique shading effects. Tough to work with if you foil. As you might have gathered, I like the stuff. They also make nifty crackle finish vases and the like. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 14:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:54:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: posts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199801292157.QAA01660@sleepy.ebtech.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I totally agree with DMR74 and believe we all could benefit from editing posts. Only wish I knew the name of DMR74 to say thanks! :-} Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 14:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Test Message - DISREGARD Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:35:43 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.03543.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just a test message. I think I may have been removed accidentally. I'm not receiving any Bungi messages, not even the one's I know I sent hours and hours ago. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 15:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: posts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Mike Savad I think this is aimed at YOU! Hmm. Doubtless this'll result in the same defensive, virulent response as all previous requests for civic-mindedness to himself-who-long-has-been-filtered-out on my box. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 15:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Wissmach, or an 800 no.? > I went to their website on Art Glass World, but can't find a way to > contact other than a long-distance phone call. Kokomo Opalescent Glass Company, PO Box 2265, Kokomo IN 46904 - 2265. Phone: (765) 457-8136. Fax: (765) 459-5177. E-mail: koglass@kog.com Web site: http://www.kog.com/ This is from the Sources Guide, address below. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 15:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:03:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Re-bar Question Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:14:52 -0600 Message-ID: <199801292301.RAA10038@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We don't use the technique very often, but it's sure a = > >slick and handy one to know about. What's >your version of a slip joint? I didn't use it very often either. Mostly in stone openings with tracery tops "pocket" type sets...you know what I mean I'm sure. The windows were many times very long and narrow, gothic mostly ... the only way to set the upper panel was to jigitty jog it into the side grooves and slide it up into the tracery pocket at the top. The panels were installed from the top down. The slip joint consisted off a virgin lead (very soft) 3/4 flat h on the bottom perimeter of the upper panel and the top perimeter of the lower panel was bound with zinc u channel the type that is just rolled .The leaf of the lead facing you was folded back and the next panel down installed the leaf was folded back down and soldered to any intersecting came. Stone tracery was to me by far the toughest of all installations. The jobs usually called for putty, a real challange in its own right..... so many curves, so little time. Taking measurements wasn't that easy either. Hell those jobs were just a bear all around.....I don't want to talk about it anymore :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 16:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:59:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bluep.com!brazda From: "Alana" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Paste flux Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:59:36 +1100 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.215936.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BD2D6E.2773E0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, =20 I'm a beginner so please excuse my "stupid" question. I'm using = paste flux on my projects and no matter how much I wash the piece after = soldering it still feels slimy! How do I get rid of the flux????????? = Thanks in advance. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BD2D6E.2773E0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,    =
    I'm a beginner so = please=20 excuse my "stupid" question. I'm using paste flux on my = projects and=20 no matter how much I wash the piece after soldering it still feels = slimy! How do=20 I get rid of the flux????????? Thanks in advance. 
 
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BD2D6E.2773E0C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 16:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass sites in VA/WV Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:09:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.1194.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn, Check out the Blenko site at www.citynet.net/blenko/Visitor/Vc.htm It will answer your questions and also give you direct directions to follow when you get off I-64. Have fun! Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 16:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bluep.com!brazda From: "Alana" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Fw: Paste flux Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:26:03 +1100 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.22263.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01BD2D71.D9286720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sending this agin because the e-mail i sent to the list has no = writing even though i write something. Am i doing something wrong? Hi everyone, =20 I'm a beginner so please excuse my "stupid" question. I'm using = paste flux on my projects and no matter how much I wash the piece after = soldering it still feels slimy! How do I get rid of the flux????????? = Thanks in advance.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01BD2D71.D9286720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sending this agin because the = e-mail i sent=20 to the list has no writing even though i write something. Am i doing = something=20 wrong? 
Hi = everyone,  
    I'm a beginner so = please=20 excuse my "stupid" question. I'm using paste flux on my = projects and=20 no matter how much I wash the piece after soldering it still feels = slimy! How do=20 I get rid of the flux????????? Thanks in advance. 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01BD2D71.D9286720-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 16:36:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:31:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering Irons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:32:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.12320.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to hear about your problems with Inland tools....Retailers like that dont deserve to be in business.. If they knew there is a problem with this iron then they should not be selling it to thier customers... You might try a Weller next time... I've been using the same weller 100 for the last 4 years without a problem... Byron... -----Original Message----- From: Dudley246 To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:35 PM Subject: Soldering Irons >I have a couple of ?? First,I've got this soldering Iron from Inland!! The >screws that hold the thing together keep falling out whenever I start >soldering! I've put them back in over and over again,but I guess the holes are >striped. Any Ideas on how to keep them in? And this started happening the >first time I used it! told the retailer,and she said they all do that and just >blew it off !! And another thing from Inland that I got was a pistol grip >cutter and it leaks from the seams,I already have heard that they all leak,but >at the seams where it was put together??Does anybody have an E-Mail Address >for Inland? I sure would like them to know that The first couple of things >that I got to start doing stained glass with ,isn't worth a flipp!!! >Thanks,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 16:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:53:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Paste flux Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:28, -0500 Message-ID: <199801300050.TAA15382@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I like to use Glassflux which is a gell. It works well, only has moderate smell and is easy to clean up. There are many other liquid fluxes that work well and are easy to cleanup. I think paste flux is best used on leaded panels where the puttying process cleans it up. A couple of nice things about paste flux are that it does not run until heated and soldering can be delayed without it drying it out. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 17:50:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:45:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Arts & Crafts Fair Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.124658.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I highly recommend doing this show. It is a great learning experience. Thank you for the inspirational message, Shirley! Very helpful and just what I needed to hear. I will be checking into this right away! Thanks again, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 18:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:09:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.13757.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does anyone have an e-mail address for Wissmach, or an 800 no.? >I went to their website on Art Glass World, but can't find a way to >contact other than a long-distance phone call. > >I need to know their days and hours of operation if anyone has that >information handy. Hi Dawn. We are fairly close to Wismach. Don't know their E-mail address or if they have a toll free #. We often send our students there. Believe thier hours are Mon. - Fri. 6am - 3pm and Sat 6am - noon. Good luck if you go. take gloves, and go in the daylight if you can to get true color of glass. Ask fo Doug. Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 19:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:01:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Robert & Jeanne Keane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Old California Lantern Company Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.17055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Just thought that some of you might like to check out the following site. They have some nice lanterns to add stained glass panels to.....they are a little on the pricey side though. But they are really nice to look at. http://www.oldcalifornia.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 20:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:28:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:25:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.42515.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-01-29 22:03:20 EST, you write: << We are fairly close to Wismach. Don't know their E-mail address or if they have a toll free #. We often send our students there. >> Would you mind being a tad bit more specific such as city, town, etc.... :))). Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 22:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mary Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:52:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.195232.0> References: <<1998Jan28.194914.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Laurean, I too love glass. I'm looking forward to learning more with each and every peice I do. I majored in arts during high school, which was a ways back. That sometimes helps and sometimes doesn't. I'm my own worse critic. I do hope you will overlook my spelling errors by the way. Shame we live so far apart. I do have some wonderful patterns and would love to share any of them with you if theres any you'd want a copy of. I feel like doing glass is sharing not only the knowledge but the ideas, patterns etc...I know it's hard trusting someone else to choose the glass when in your own head you know exactly what you're looking for. I do work thru a magnifying glass that my husbands employer gave me, that helps alot. I didn't get you full e mail address but if you'd like to start a friendship thru the systme or even my regular mail that would be great too. Heres' mine. Mary Austin 801 Merry Lane Greenwood, IN 46142 diamonds@juno.com I'm looking forward to hearing from you and sharing lots of ideas. Have a good day. Mary _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 29 22:22:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mary from Indiana Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan29.19585.0> References: <<1998Jan29.15399.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Stan??? I thank you for the information as I was just about ready to mail order and leave the glass picking to someone else. I'd much rather do this myself. I've never been to either of the studios you mentioned but as soon as I can get there I'm heading out. One of these days when I'm the winner of the lottery maybe I can open my own studio. Big dreams start off slow and hopefully develop into reality. Maybe one day I'll be able to meet you too. Thanks again. I appreciate all the help. Mary On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:39:09 EST Beveler 4 writes: >Hi Mary, I too am from Indiana, Guilford to be exact, its near Aurora >and >Lawrencburg In. There is a good shop not too far from you in Columbus >In. >called the Glass Managarie, he carries lots of glass and supplies,The >phone # >1-800-428 8049.There are also some good shops in Indy,one being the >Fox >Studios, I'm not sure of their phone#, but they are one of the best >studios in >the area.I'm sure that there are others in the Indy area. If you need >anymore >info E-mail me at Beveler4@aol.com (Stan). >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 05:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:40:27 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > << We are fairly close to Wismach. Don't know their E-mail address or if they > have a toll free #. We often send our students there. >> > Would you mind being a tad bit more specific such as city, town, etc.... :))). Wissmach Glass Company, PO Box 228, Paden City WV 26159 - 0228. Phone: (304) 337-2253. Fax: (304) 337-8800. Again, this is from the Sources Guide, address below, updated almost daily. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 05:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:39:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:42:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.14214.0> References: <<1998Jan29.13757.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk The Wissmach website is at http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/wissmach/home.html Should have all the info you need to contact them. Mike Peck Wallace, Paul wrote: > > >Does anyone have an e-mail address for Wissmach, or an 800 no.? > >I went to their website on Art Glass World, but can't find a way to > >contact other than a long-distance phone call. > > > >I need to know their days and hours of operation if anyone has that > >information handy. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 06:11:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:05:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:05:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan29.2255.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Paul are you saying you are close to Wismach glass in Ohio or did I miss something here? I too live in Ohio and not far from Caldwell. Would like to know just how far Wismach Glass is from Caldwell. If I am way off base on this message please disregard.....I'm just having my first cup of coffee and my eyes are not completely open. Keep Cutting Sheila Ohio _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 06:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980130093828.00695920@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 06:05 AM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Paul are you saying you are close to Wismach glass in Ohio or did I >miss something here? I too live in Ohio and not far from Caldwell. >Would like to know just how far Wismach Glass is from Caldwell. If I >am way off base on this message please disregard.....I'm just having >my first cup of coffee and my eyes are not completely open. > >Keep Cutting >Sheila >Ohio Sheila, I think Wissmach can't be more than about an hour and a half from you. It is just across the river in Paden City. The longest time was getting from the north to the south on that small curvy road to Paden City. I've been there before and it is interesting, but be sure to take some glass handling stuff with you...like cutter and pliers because the glass has ripples in it or is slightly curved...or has bubbles that make it not easy to lay flat and transport home without breaking some of it. Or take lots of that corrugated paper with you to layer in between or better yet a few crates to stack it in. I bought $99.00 worth of glass there one year and I still have some of it left to sell. But again, it's ends of runs that aren't exactly perfect or odd colors or stuff that can be worked around like uneven iridescence. Joyce Garden of glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 07:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:15:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:22:51 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The Wissmach website is at Thanks, Mike! We didn't have that in the Sources Guide. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 07:55:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:23:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Jan29.232233.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce, Thanks for the info!!! Guess I am gonna have to take a day and go check it out! And take my check book too! Keep Cutting Sheila....still lurking OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 08:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:23:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Beveler4@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:25:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.32550.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Stan, Received the custom bevel you did for us. Looks great! Thanks for your help. Unsolicited plug ----- if anyone needs a custom bevel done, I can recommend Stan Sabick at Edge Distributors! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 09:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:50:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Mary from Indiana Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 13:36:26 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.213626.0> References: <<1998Jan29.15399.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It's good to hear there are some Hoosiers here. Although I have lived in Florida the past 36 years my home will always be Indiana--Muncie and Anderson area. I have an uncle in Chesterfield who has been in glass for years and got me started and I have loved it ever since. ---------- > > Hi Mary, I too am from Indiana, Guilford to be exact, its near Aurora and > Lawrencburg In. There is a good shop not too far from you in Columbus In. > called the Glass Managarie, he carries lots of glass and supplies,The phone # > 1-800-428 8049.There are also some good shops in Indy,one being the Fox > Studios, I'm not sure of their phone#, but they are one of the best studios in > the area.I'm sure that there are others in the Indy area. If you need anymore > info E-mail me at Beveler4@aol.com (Stan). > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 10:56:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:53:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.85327.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk So, clue us in, Albert - does Kokomo own Wissmach or what's = the deal? Just nosey, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 10:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:57:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!kraby From: "Kenny Raby" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: clickable links Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.25355.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It is clickable either way with Outlook express but I agree that adding the http makes it more compatiable with all mail readers which support this feature. -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Indian Chief - Magazine links >>When writing links in a message don't add http to beginning... >>just write www.artglassworld.com/magazine.html=20 >>that way all anyone has to do is click on the link... >>Just a suggestion.... >>Deidra >>www.glasspatterns.com >>www.spectrumglass.com/pattset.html > >Except that for a lot of mail readers, if you DON'T add the http:// the >link is NOT clickable. For instance, I use Eudora Pro and without http the >URLs typed in the above message are not clickable. It is my understanding >from techie types that adding the http ALWAYS makes links clickable. I've >never heard of links not being clickable with the http and I've actually >never heard of links being clickable *without* the http - doesn't mean it >doesn't work, I've just never seen clickable links without the http. > >Just my .02! > >Steph ~ > >----------------------------------- >Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX >Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use >Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 11:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: posts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:06:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.19637.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk the name is Deb guess I for got to post my name sorry and your welcome :) > Only wish I knew the name of DMR74 to say thanks! :-} > > Doug Scale > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:18:47 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > So, clue us in, Albert - does > Kokomo own Wissmach or what's the deal? As far as I know, they are and always have been separate companies. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 12:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:36:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: RE: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 14:30:08 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.22308.0> References: <<1998Jan29.91637.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >By the way, I'm a neighbor....Suffolk, VA Hi Linda, Thanks for the opinion on Blenko. I will definitely stop there. I'm not actually a neighbor -- well, except in the sense that we are all neighbors and friends here :-) . I'm from Missouri. I just happen to be flying into Norfolk to pick up a new vehicle for my brother's business, and then driving it back home. Since his wife is due to have baby very soon, I offered to go so he wouldn't have to be away. (Besides, saw an opportunity to do some sightseeing and glass shopping!) Thanks for the help, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 13:02:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: RE: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.11329.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn: Have a good time in WV (buy lots of glass) and in VA Beach. And have a = safe trip. Visit any time....if your brother and his wife give any = trouble, give a holler and you can visit me. :) Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA Dawn Said: Hi Linda, Thanks for the opinion on Blenko. I will definitely stop = there. I'm not actually a neighbor -- well, except in the sense that we are all = neighbors and friends here :-) . I'm from Missouri. I just happen to = be=20 flying into Norfolk to pick up a new vehicle for my brother's business,=20 and then driving it back home. Since his wife is due to have baby very=20 soon, I offered to go so he wouldn't have to be away. (Besides, saw=20 an opportunity to do some sightseeing and glass shopping!) Thanks for the help, Dawn ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 13:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:02:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Craft Show Listings on the Net Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 15:20:29 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan30.232029.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, In my search for local art shows, I came across this site: http://www.teleport.com/~paulec/CRAFTLST.HTML It is a listing of upcoming art/craft shows by regions of the United States. I'm sure this is not as complete as Sunshine's publication, but hey, it's free. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 13:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:24:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:34:56 -0600 Message-ID: <199801302121.PAA20666@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >> So, clue us in, Albert - does >> Kokomo own Wissmach or what's the deal? > >As far as I know, they are and always have been separate companies. was there also a glass company called Paden City? somewhere in the dim past I recall glass crates with Paden City written on them. the relentless persuit of trivia :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 13:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:51:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Request for Pricing Information Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 16:07:35 PST Message-ID: <1998Jan31.0735.0> References: <<1998Jan28.91511.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, I don't have a list of the URL's unfortunately. But, I do recall Elisabeth saying that someone on this list had a listing of the URL's of the group members that have websites. Now can't recall who that was, but I bet they'll let us know... Dave and Glenna mentioned they had plans to make the archives searchable later this year, so once that's done I bet we can put a list together easily. The only listing of books I have is largely thanks to you. I have a copy of the reference books you listed, along with a few others suggested. Perhaps the IGGA has a complete listing. I know you can do a search on Amazon.com. Have a great weekend everyone! Dawn >Do you by chance have = a file going of all the URL's that get posted on bungi? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 14:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:05:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Genuine Tiffany prices? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:27:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.212755.0> References: <<199801291835.SAA01123@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <199801291835.SAA01123@jackel.demon.co.uk>, Mike Simpson writes >I am looking for some information that I have not been able to find >on the web. What is the least that you would expect to pay for a >genuine - as in came from the workshops of Louis Comfort Tiffany - >lampshade? Also, what is the record price? I don't know the record price but I did see that a Tiffany standard lamp sold for US$ 150,000 about 5 years ago. tens of thousands of pounds would be required to buy a lamp made in the Tiffany studios. Genuine tiffany lamps are not to be found in the retail trade only in the antiques trade nowadays. The cheap-os are made by lowly paid adults or even more exploited children in the Phillipines or China. Best of wisher for your talk Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 14:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:57:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:57:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.12578.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, Albert, I must have read your previous post too quickly (and I've deleted so can't go back.) I thought someone had requested Wissmach info and you responded with Kokomo address. I was confused. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 15:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:19:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Genuine Tiffany prices? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:20:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.72036.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What is a "standard tiffany lamp" I have been offered GENUINE SHADES and MATCHING and CORRECT bases as a package for as low as $8,000.oo with some need of repair. MANY genuine Tiffany shades, some good, others BAD........some vibrant, some muddy, some signed, some not!I have handled 10 or so, and today's( probably not the amateur or the imported) shades (quality such as mine and Crist Studio) are superior in color and technique). A pristine model A Ford is a FINE and valuable antique, but is it as good as a ROLLS ROYCE for the purpose a vehicle serves? enjoy, H A good way of understanding the market pricing is to ask "How much is a car"?...... weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 16:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:21:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2DB4.8D3584E0" Subject: RE: Genuine Tiffany prices? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:22:26 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.172226.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2DB4.8D3584E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First let me say I am not a member of your group per say, but = rather the devoted better ( or is worst ) half of one of your members = who feels qualified to comment on the discussion of original Tiffany = Studio lamps and their current values. Having spent the better part of = my life in the antiques business I have seen the ups and downs of prices = on these pieces over the last 30 years. TRUE ORIGINAL AND SIGNED TIFFANY = SHADES, command premium prices. An original, correct 22 1/2 in. = dragonfly shade on the original floorlamp base will bring upwards of = 75,000 dollars U. S. A 20 in. paneled poppy shade on its' true table = lamp base commands 50,000 dollars. But there are standards. When you buy = real estate the 3 most important factors are location, location, = location. When dealing with Tiffany the 3 most important factors are = condition, condition and condition. This would entail verifiable = authenticity of product and signature . I have seen pieces that although = forgeries and fakes, have fooled those much more credible than I. Just = ask the curator of several major museums !! In short, 8,000 dollars for = a mixed bag of Tiffany products may well be the purchase of a lifetime, = then again...........................best regards and thank-you for = allowing me to interrupt. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:21 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Genuine Tiffany prices? What is a "standard tiffany lamp" I have been offered GENUINE SHADES and MATCHING and CORRECT bases as a package for as low as $8,000.oo with some need of repair. MANY genuine Tiffany shades, some good, others BAD........some vibrant, some muddy, = some signed, some not!I have handled 10 or so, and today's( probably not the amateur or the imported) shades (quality such as mine and Crist Studio) = are superior in color and technique). A pristine model A Ford is a FINE and valuable antique, but is it as = good as a ROLLS ROYCE for the purpose a vehicle serves? enjoy, H A good way of understanding the market pricing is to ask "How much is a car"?...... weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2DB4.8D3584E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiAVAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAgAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNv bQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAEAAA AGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAASAAAAJ2dsYXNzQGJ1bmdp 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AQAAAAAAAAAeAAqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgALgAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03 AACEAg== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2DB4.8D3584E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 16:43:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:43:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:51:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > someone had requested Wissmach > info and you responded with Kokomo > address. I *did!? Oh, sorry. My mistake. Anyway, both (or either) are in the Sources Guide. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 17:06:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:05:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.9543.0> References: <<1998Jan30.12578.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Dani No big deal, but he did give the wrong info. Dave Michael J. Greer wrote: > Sorry, Albert, I must have read your > previous post too quickly (and I've > deleted so can't go back.) I thought > someone had requested Wissmach > info and you responded with Kokomo > address. I was confused. = > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 17:31:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: epix.net!age49 From: age49@epix.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: directions Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.152445.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I will be going to Allentown tomorrow to Salisbury H.S. for a Show. I would like to take the opportunity to visit W,Crivellaro. Can somebody please instruct me how to get there from the Turnpike? TIA Dan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 17:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Request for Pricing Information Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199801310139.BAA19743@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn & Dani It was Keli who posted these URL's on 11 Nov. 97. Keli! Are you there?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dawn wrote: I don't have a list of the URL's unfortunately. But, I do recall Elisabeth saying that someone on this list had a listing of the URL's of the group members that have websites. Now can't recall who that was, but I bet they'll let us know... Dave and Glenna mentioned they had plans to make the archives searchable later this year, so once that's done I bet we can put a list together easily. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 17:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:54:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.155334.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk < Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Genuine Tiffany prices/ corr. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:04:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.10457.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Gloria........... Let me clarify, the packages I have seen and had a chance to buy were not the mixed bag of many shades, but a combination of a SINGLE shade and base...offered at various times. Most needed work, and or lacked a verification (name) on either base or shade....I had a geometric (grid lamp) offered to me for $3,000, but it was in need of at least 25 pieces of repair, and very dull lamp. Shade had a tag, base was the right feel, but no embossed logo. I have visited people who were sure the shade they had was a genuine Tiffany and they got a "steal" on it.....As I told them, always a chance but I did not think so...I can point out a lot of differences from todays to yesterdays shades. Not my problem, however. Lots of "good" fakes out there, both Favrille and leaded. I do have a large collection of signed bases ( Handel, B&H Renaud, Moe Bridges Akro Agate Lenox and a lot of others, but no shades. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 18:35:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:33:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.133216.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- there. >> > >Would you mind being a tad bit more specific such as city, town, etc.... :))). >Thanks! >---- > Wissmach is in Paden City West Virginia. Just off Rt.14. Turn beside the High School to the end of the block. The Hight school is 1 block north of the only traffic light in town. Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 18:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:43:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.134147.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Paul are you saying you are close to Wismach glass in Ohio or did I >miss something here? I too live in Ohio and not far from Caldwell. >Would like to know just how far Wismach Glass is from Caldwell. If I >am way off base on this message please disregard.....I'm just having >my first cup of coffee and my eyes are not completely open. > > >Well if you are near Caldwell then you know how distance is relative with the hills . We go to Marietta on I-77, then N. on 7 to Newport cross the Ohio River then N. on 14 to Paden City. go through the traffic light & turn L at the high school to the end of the street. probably about 50 miles or so from here. A great place to go if you just want lost of cheap glass. If you are looking for a specific color though you may get lucky then again maby not. If you are in Caldwell area we are in the book, Give us a call or stop by. we always like to visit with others interested in glass. Bumblebee Stained glass Caldwell, Ohio > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 19:01:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:01:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.17039.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jim- I see you're having the same mail formatting problems with CompuServe that I consistently have - I've been typing only half way across the page to eliminate some of the "garbage" (much to everyone's dismay when it's a rather long post!) Welcome aboard! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 19:01:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:01:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.17031.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth- Wish you and your nephew could visit our studio- we're currently working on a pair of windows influenced by artwork from his neck of the woods! Pictorial windows of a Sufi sage and disciple taken from a book illumination out of the Henri Vever collection - he amassed about 500 Persian, Arabic, Turkish, and Indian manuscripts. I'm working on an adaption of a = woodcut from your part of the world - by Arthur Gaskin in an illustration from "The Marsh King's Daughter". Knowing how his aunt feels about glass painting it would be good for your nephew to see these works ;-) ! P.S. Please send me your address off-bungi, if you would : I have a fabulous greeting card for you that will have you rolling with laughter! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 19:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: directions Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 22:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199801310306.WAA29327@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dan, here are directions to W.C. Exit Turnpike at Allentown, take I-22 East. Exit onto Airport Road North. Follow to the third stop light (Weaversville Road to left, Schoenersville Road to right), make a left turn, follow around a slight bend. W-C is second large business on right. Good luck at the show. You will love W-C. Don't buy too much, ha-ha! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 20:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.183455.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>Hi Jim- >>I see you're having the same mail formatting problems with >>CompuServe that I consistently have - Wow, what a mess. In an effort to get the msg across successfully and learn how to format mail to bungi.com successfully I reformatted and am trying again. Thanks Dani for the help. I just watched Bill Gates being interviewed by Barbara Walters and he thinks the next step in technology is for talking com- puters and I can't even get compuserve mail to work reasonably. Go figure. Please forgive the lengthy msg. < Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:58:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:58:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.175822.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Recently I was soldering a foiled project and finally decided to read the directions (now this is dangerous). On the back of my new bottle of Glastar Fluxing Gel it said to put the the Gel on the cleaning sponge instead of water. I experimented by puting it directly on the soldering iron tip while hot. Amazingly, the tip hasn't been this clean and shiny since I bought it. Now, that the crud is gone it is so much easier to work with. Will I read the directions in the future? Probably not ..... I need a challenge. BTW thanks everyone who posted the information on the hand-held foiler. I was getting very frustrated with the directions. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 22:24:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:23:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:23:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.142330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A word(s) of advice.......DO NOT use a cellulose sponge (kitchen type) use a sponge that is specifically for s/g use when soldering weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 30 23:50:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:49:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.154336.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well now, you got me curious, what is wrong with the kitchen cellulose Howard? Glenn Spicer -----Original Message----- From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 10:24 PM A word(s) of advice.......DO NOT use a cellulose sponge (kitchen type) use a sponge that is specifically for s/g use when soldering begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C<'`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`@ $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````/0`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0!33510`&=L M87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`````>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !```` M$ ```&=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;0`#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````2 M````)V=L87-S0&)U;F=I+F-O;2<````"`0LP`0```!4```!33510.D=,05-3 M0$)53D=)+D-/30`````#```Y``````L`0#H!````'@#V7P$````0````9VQA M`!<` M*P`D``4`7P$!(( #``X```#.!P$`'@`7`"D`.P`%`'0!`0F `0`A````,4(Q M03$T-C=#-CDY1#$Q,4)$1#@T-#0U-3,U-# P,# `W08!`Y &`#0%```A```` M"P`"``$````+`",```````,`)@``````"P`I```````#`"X```````,`-@`` M````0 `Y``!+:_ ;+KT!'@!P``$````=````4D4Z($-L96%N(%-O;&1E`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!````% ```&=S<&EC97) M(+"!Y"& @9V\%0%D'@"!C"'$(8',9`'=_$0`%0 0` M&E #8 \@&E!IV'1H(!M@&;!K&U 0\#<)\!G &)%U"0`1,"!(FQC@"Q$_%]@8 M,T=L"?!Y`Z!3< W@!) 7U0L#;/AI,S8!0!:0`4 2P!EPA060=!($,38@+2%R M>D\%$&<+@ = != 'D'/X86=E(7,?%B"$(%$+$\$@AFDM,30T`4 ?T'@Q.# ! 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A word of caution- do not dip the iron into the bottle of flux. To do so dilutes the flux and tends to make the whole bottle useless. The debris from the iron tip remain in the bottle and continue to dilute the flux until one or the other is neutralized. I like to use a separate container for the flux used in a soldering session and discard any remaining when through. Saves spilling or contaminating the whole bottle. Mostly I use a sponge damp with water and a wire brush to clean my tip. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 02:12:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:11:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 05:09:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Jan31.10947.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I need to ask why not a kitchen sponge? My sponge is getting pretty worn out. DO they sell just the replacement sponges? and where? Thanks, Back to Lurking! Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 06:09:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:08:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Editing responses was :anyone remember Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:08:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980131091408.1cfff7ba@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Toby.... I can certainly appreciate your attention to time and cost!! Please allow me to share what I do with mail, it may or may not help depending on your software. I use Eudora Pro.... I copied the application icon to my desktop. This allows me to open Eudora, connect to the network, collect my mail and then disconnect from the network. THEN.... I open, read, file, reply and/or delete messages at my own leisure. When replying, I choose the "queue" option. When I am done with all my correspondence I again connect to the network, transmit the queued messages and then again disconnect from network. This allows me to only be "online" while collecting and sending mail. I do all the rest "offline". With your cost p/second situation.... it may be worth your while to consider a mail program that allows you this option. And note: my reply is at the top of your abbreviated message. ........ she winks ... At 02:46 AM 1/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >EliZabeth, >Absolutely Right!! >I have for a very long ting time tried to persuade Bunginians to >"edit" sensibly and thoughtfully, put their comments at the TOP of >their e-mails rather than having to scroll, scroll and scroll down >before FINALLY arriving at the reply, which quite often might just be >a one- or two-liner. >Over a period of almost 3 years now, we all know who is who, and who >does what. It needs that ONE courageous, D I P L O M A T I C Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 06:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:37:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.44835.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello I'm new to this list. My grandfather just gave me all of his stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford to drive there and pick it up. -- Jeremy W. Hopkins KC8GWH http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 06:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tiffany Lamps Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:45:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan30.234532.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi Howard, Could you please tell me where to find a signature on a base or shade of a Tiffany. We have a lamp that has been in the family for 50 some years and it was old when they acquired it. I would really like to know something about it. The base is Verde and has a art deco look to it. Any sugestions? Thanks, Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 07:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:27:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199801311527.KAA03716@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy wrote, stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in >florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need >to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford >to drive there and pick it up.> > If there is a trucking company close to where you grandfather is you might try to give them a call and get their rates. Someone like Roadway might be close to him. Then all he has to do to crate it all up and they will truck it to the nearest location to you or sometimes even to your address. You would have to give them a call. We use them to ship glass all over the United States. And so far they work the best for us. If I can give you any more information....just hollar. my best, pj (who thinks she won't see lite of day till at least September!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 09:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:10:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.7914.0> References: <<1998Jan30.175822.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk pkelly wrote: > > Recently I was soldering a foiled project and finally decided to read > the directions (now this is dangerous). On the back of my new bottle of > Glastar Fluxing Gel it said to put the the Gel on the cleaning sponge > instead of water. I experimented by puting it directly on the soldering > iron tip while hot. Amazingly, the tip hasn't been this clean and shiny > since I bought it. Now, that the crud is gone it is so much easier to > work with. > > Will I read the directions in the future? Probably not ..... I need a > challenge. > > BTW thanks everyone who posted the information on the hand-held foiler. > I was getting very frustrated with the directions. > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows to all > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i dunno that sounds suspicious... it sounds like you need to buy more of thier flux more often. a method for cleaning the tip is to dunk it into the flux bottle. but doing that is very dangerous to you and the iron. this may not be any better for it... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 09:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:10:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.71029.0> References: <<1998Jan30.154336.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote: > > Well now, you got me curious, what is wrong with the kitchen cellulose Howard? > Glenn Spicer > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 10:24 PM > A word(s) of advice.......DO NOT use a cellulose sponge (kitchen type) use a > sponge that is specifically for s/g use when soldering > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass from what i undestand it contains sulfer, which can help corrode the iron more quickly. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 09:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.7131.0> References: <<1998Jan31.10947.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MsChatee@aol.com wrote: > > I need to ask why not a kitchen sponge? My sponge is getting pretty worn out. > DO they sell just the replacement sponges? and where? > > Thanks, > Back to Lurking! > > Caren > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can get a new one for about a buck or two in any stained glass store. i think glasstar is one of the more popular companies in the stores. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 09:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:22:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.72131.0> References: <<1998Jan31.44835.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > > Hello I'm new to this list. My grandfather just gave me all of his > stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in > florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need > to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford > to drive there and pick it up. > -- > Jeremy W. Hopkins > KC8GWH > http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ > 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hmm that could be tough. i guess if each glass sheet was wrapped in foam, then tightly put into a heavy cardboard box, that could work. maybe he could get some wooden shipping crates (from a glass store). the shipping will be expensive even if it's UPS ground. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 10:41:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980131133827.00726fe8@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >hmm that could be tough. i guess if each glass sheet was wrapped in >foam, then tightly put into a heavy cardboard box, that could work. >maybe he could get some wooden shipping crates (from a glass store). the >shipping will be expensive even if it's UPS ground. > I really think that shipping any way you look at it will be way more expensive than the time and gas involved in a trip down to Florida for whomever is involved. Just be patient and arrange it when a relative goes perhaps...I think the amount of cost of packing and crating will be astronomical compared to putting those same glass pieces in between layers of a blanket or other recyclable packing materials. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 10:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:52:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 02:15:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Jan3.201520.0> References: <<1998Jan31.44835.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome Jeremy, This is a great bunch of people. Stick around and you will learn much, I have and continue to do so. Your message neglected to mention if you are new to stained glass. If you are it may be easier to start with glass you purchase from your local retailer in small quantities and small projects. Then the next time you visit your grandfather pick up the glass. Now that , is a real good excuse for you to visit and good bait for him to fish for a visit. If you haven't already, start setting up your work area to accommodate the glass. The archives have various tips on setting up an area. As with many of the finer things in life the more you handle it the more danger of destroying it. So when you do get the glass minimal handling will be required. Patrick Roses and Rainbows to all Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > Hello I'm new to this list. My grandfather just gave me all of his > stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in > florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need > to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford > to drive there and pick it up. > -- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 11:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.92015.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jeremy- Your best bet is a trucking company and the best way to package the glass is in a wooden crate - make sure the glass is standing tightly stacked with sheets of paper' or thin foam between sheets, then securely packed with styrofoam or excelsior or some such material all around the glass. The wooden crate is then affixed to a pallet so that it always remains upright during shipping. Of course, this is all great if the glass sheets are large enough to pack this way. Smaller pieces you might just want to risk numerous boxes via UPS or another mail carrier. It's still going to cost you considering the weight. Another tip: If you have a commercial glass company that installs plate glass near you, ask them if you can buy at a nominal fee one of their glass crates (they'll probably offer you fifty for free!). Then ask them if you can = look at a crate that's just been delivered so you can see the packaging. They'e usually quite accomodating since you may very well be buying plate from them someday for your stained glass installations. Consider it an exercise in networking - who knows, they may ask you to hang an art panel there and refer = customers to you. Then try to communicate all that to the person on the other end who has to do all the work crating! :-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 11:56:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:55:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.95352.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if the expense to ship would be "astronomical". Here's an example from California to Colorado via Reddaway Trucking: 261 pounds including crate and pallet weight cost $172.81. I'd have someone in Florida call a trucking firm for some "ball-parks". Or if you're not in a hurry, run a cheap ad down there to see if you can pay some individual headed to Ohio to haul the glass for you. That might be an alternative. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 13:02:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:02:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.951.0> References: <<1998Jan31.95352.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > I don't know if the expense to ship > would be "astronomical". Here's an > example from California to Colorado > via Reddaway Trucking: 261 pounds > including crate and pallet weight cost > $172.81. Similarly, from Chicago to Kansas City, one full crate (maybe 50 sheets) about 800 lbs, freight (Yellow Freight) is around $140. I agree with Dani's previous post on how to pack the crate, make sure the sheets are tight. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 15:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:01:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:59:17, -0500 Message-ID: <199801312259.RAA09282@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lets see now. 175 lbs of glass of which perhaps 50% is glass that is not to your taste. Another 10% is in small pieces that can not be readily matched and another 10% is scratched or otherwise less than desirable. The point I wish to make is that the gift of a bunch of sight unseen glass is something of a pig in a polk. It also tends to constrain you to use that glass rather it is your first choice or not. How about reducing the larger pieces, if any, to a size that can be shipped by UPS. Pack tightly in a heavy cardboard box with several sheets of newspaper between sheets and hope. Get one box sent and see where you go from there. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau ( Little girl, "Is your cat pregnant?". Bob, " No, he is not!") Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 18:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamps Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.10328.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Identifying....................Use a library or other source to identify the leaded shades that were around then. Turn base over and look for a signature (name) imbedded in the casting. Look for a tag riveted or soldered on. Not all Tiffany bases were identified. If no marks, look at the stem or place where light sockets attach to the stem. There may be a logo or name there. Bradley Hubbard put their logo there. Look for any "scratching that seems uniform (may be a trademark or a name). Shade, again not all original Tiffanies were tagged. Look for a name embossed or imbedded in the bottom solder row on the inside. Look for a tag soldered on the inside. Again, a good reference source may help to identify the shade. Something as simple as a residue of adhesive from foil will tell you what you do NOT have. Finally, some shades may never be truly identified EITHER way. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 18:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:23:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.we.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamps Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 18:23:18 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard and Elaine Rubin Weaver51@teleport.com on 31/1/98 18:03 said: >Again, a good reference source may help to identify the shade. Something as >simple as a residue of adhesive from foil will tell you what you do NOT >have. Did the use of adhesives on foil start recently? Did the Tiffany studio not use adhesives on foil? Just curious. Thanks. Sean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 18:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:47:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamps Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.104818.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Best of my knowledge, late 1890's through 1930's there was no sliced rolled adhesive backed different width and mil foil. Foil was cut from a sheet of thin copper (probably hammered) and folded over the glass and soldered with irons heated in small coke/air injected furnaces. NO grinders either. No time for a deep history lesson, just a little info for now! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 18:59:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop.we.mediaone.net!slally From: Sean Lally To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamps Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 18:59:07 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard and Elaine Rubin Weaver51@teleport.com on 31/1/98 18:48 said: >Best of my knowledge, late 1890's through 1930's there was no sliced rolled >adhesive backed different width and mil foil. Foil was cut from a sheet of >thin copper (probably hammered) and folded over the glass and soldered with >irons heated in small coke/air injected furnaces. NO grinders either. Very interesting. I'm pretty good with the grozing pliers as I didn't have access to a grinder for the first half year or so of my working with glass. Glad for it now though, but probably don't use it as much as I would had I had it from the begining. >No time for a deep history lesson, just a little info for now! Cool, thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 21:43:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:42:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 00:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.195330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk first off Thank You to all who responded to my question about shipping glass. i have not decided how i am going to get it here, but someday i will. question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass web pages? question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? thank you for your help, of the seven mailing lists i belong to for other hobbies this one is by far the most curteous(sp.) and helpful. keep up the good work . -- Jeremy W. Hopkins KC8GWH http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 31 22:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:51:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wissmach Glass Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:49:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.24911.0> References: <<1998Jan29.20620.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Dawn, Perhaps if yo were to prepare a fax stating what information you need, and send THAT to them it shouldn't cost more that a 2 minute connection via long distance. Just be sure to give them a phone or fax number to contact you back. THE PAUL WISSMACH GLASS COMPANY, INC. P.O. Box 228 Paden City, WV 26159 Tel: 1-304-337-2253 Fax: 1-304-337-8800 V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Dawn wrote: > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Wissmach, or an 800 no.? > I went to their website on Art Glass World, but can't find a way to > contact other than a long-distance phone call. <> > Thanks, > Dawn > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass