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Hello Gang,
This is Elisabeth 'n Toby  poking their noses out from the "lurking" 
cupboard....
Tell you what Mike, if you came over to UK, I sure would recognize 
that dimple anywhere!! No problem!  ;-)
I didn't realize how YOUNG you are (only compliment intended!)
You've done some great stuff with your web-page.
My Best
Elisabeth 'n Toby

Mike Savad wrote:
 and he went right up behind me said "hi mike".
personally i did'nt think my picture was clear enough to be reconized.
but i guess i was... of course the scarey thing is if i went to europe
and was reconized, though that would be intresting...

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Whats flexbar and who sells it?  Thanks, Meg

At 03:38 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Carole:
>The usual formula for deciding on reinforcement is if it's 4 sf or
>larger, it needs reinforcement. If rebar doesn't need to be used,
>there's always FlexBar--works just like Strong Line, but much easier to
>use and manipulate. Love the stuff--is also recommended for use around
>the bottom edge of lamps.
>Carolyn
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Thanks, but it isn't the tip, it is the guts, and my retailer says he has
that !  :)  Thanks again.  Meg
At 07:59 AM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Meg,
>Most wholesalers should have the replacement tip for the iron you have. 
>If you can't find it, let me know. dee  Studioone1@Juno.com
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I just found out that my supplier does sell the guts for the cheapo irons.
So I decided on dismantling mine, had it apart and back together again in
maybe 10 minutes.....  I like reusing as much as possible!!!  :)

At 01:29 AM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Pull the tip if it hasn't corroded through, save the plug and cord (who knows
>when that will come in handy), dismantle the wooden handle for fireplace use,
>toss the remaining carcass and spend twelve more $ on a new iron. (Your time
>is far more valuable for stained glass work than refittting old dead irons
>with new guts.) 
>
>Waste not, want not!
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>Paul
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Gee, celebrity comes in so many forms.  (I have a child about Mike's age!)
So, Mike, if you taught those aliens glass, why aren't we seeing it on
TV? (B5, ST, etc.  Some of thos B5 rooms could use a little brightening up)

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Hi Dani,

You don't have to belong to a union.  But You cannot touch anything on site.


You can't adjust,  clean, or modiiy anything once you have stepped into the
building.
You can't even uncrate your own work. Soooooo those big burly guys that work
construction in the casino have the pleasure of uncrating your magnificant
beveled window and guess what?  It doesn't bounce.  Been at that very place.
And its not a great feeling.

I totally agree with you about giving back.  We have been part of the major
support of a local arts organization for the past three years.  Probably
have donated over $15,000..00 worth of glass to them to auction off.  But
when funding has been almost cut to nothing for these organizations someone
has to pick up the tab.  That is a subject that would go on for hours. And I
am sure has been hashed to death.

But back to the casinos.................the gift shops and galleries in some
of these handle some very expensive work.  And I have done alot of business
with them.  Some are consessions and others are own by the casinos.  Though
the large installations in the casinos look really great the better part of
dealing with a casino is through their shops.

You know that yellow pages book that was in your room??? Should have asked
if you could take it with you.  


BTW.................did you happen to see any Elvis impresonators????  And
if so how many?

my best,
pj






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Take me off of this list please!

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Inland makes a solder gun that feeds the solder like a glue gun.
No fluxer or vacuum, but it works pretty well for one handed soldering.
 I got mine as a demonstrator from inland & havent seen them at the 
wholesalers yet. They wont replace a regular iron, but are great for 
special applications
		Mike Barr

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Dani and pj,  (and Mike)
I don't know how to get any work into the casinos, at least as part of the
casino itself.  The Riviera, however, supports NICA, the Nevada institute of
contemporary art.  So far, the best sg I've seen in a casino is at Sunset
Station, a new local casino off the strip.  The glass is so amazing that I
visit it often.  Those who go to the glass expo in the spring have to check
it out.  Where most glass artists make it out here is with private homes.
 there is so much growth, and $ in Las Vegas (except for MY bank account),
and the architecture out here incorporates literally dozens of windows in one
house.

Oh, and Mike, if you come out here for the expo, you'll have to visit "the
Little Ali-Inn", a cafe by the intrepid Area 51.  Lots of reported UFO
sightings out there.  I bet the little grays eating burgers at the counter
will recognize your dimple :)

Mimi in LV

Dani wrote
"Hi pj -

Thanks for the feedback on working for the casinos - doesn't =

sound like my cup of tea!  It'll be a cold day in Hades when
this girl joins a union!  It's not surprising though - sounds
alot like working with the building industry here........."
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    Hi everyone, hope your summer is going well.  I have just finished
assembling a mosaic made out of smashed crockery.  I used the direct method.
I am about to grout but need some advice.  The directions say to apply the
grout, then brush vigorously with a soft brush.  The pieces are of different
thicknesses because the dishes are from a variety of sets (my husband would
not allow me to smash our good china set).  Will the grout thickness also
vary when completed?  Do I allow the grout to set up before brushing?  This
piece will be fairly heavy.  Any suggestions for hanging it up?  Any
experiences you have had would be very helpful.  Thanking you in advance, Lorna

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Meg:
FlexBar is braided reinforcing--alot like Soder Wick, but it's used for
reinforcement. Great stuff. I've used it in larger panels to
strengthen--just "wind" in through like you do Strong Line, and also
instead of trying to solder wire around the bottom of lamps (which to me
is a pain), I use FlexBar--it's alot easier to just lay it along the
edge and solder it. It gives a nice finished edge to pieces. I've even
had customers use it for the outside edge of suncatchers and what have
you, instead of lead. If's from Worden--any stained glass shop should
carry it. I do, and really sell alot of it. 
Carolyn
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Are you going to Glass Visions at Warner-Crivellaro? Would you like to
spend an enjoyable hour or so on Sunday meeting people and sharing
information about IGGA and glass@bungi.com? Let me know. It'll be fun
and painless, I promise.

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I just finished a Clarity frame that I glued some pieces of a china plate to
and grouted it.  The pieces were of varying thicknesses.  After putting the
grout on you do need to let it sit.  If you brush when it is wet it will just
smear around..  Let it dry for 15 minutes and brush it.  If it smears around,
let it dry 15 more minutes then try again.  It should come off as dust.  It
will go up to the edges of the china-just don't use that brush to clean out
between the pieces!  The brush will naturally skim over the varying surfaces.
 I use a scotchbright green scrubby.

Sorry I have no help on hanging the piece.

If your husband won't let you break up the good china.......well, accidents
happen!

Dione
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Hilary:

I just noticed that Robert Oddy's panels are on:
http://www.SpectrumGlass.com/  
And they are doing an article on him in the
next issue of their newsletter, the Score.

We gave him display space in our booth at the 
Baltimore show.  The people from Spectrum saw 
his work in our booth and liked it.

I guess your suggestion about the Saturday
demonstration of his type of techniques worked
out all around. (one thing led to another)

I hope this turns into some well deserved
success for him.  I was so excited about it
I called him on the spot-but he knew of it
a couple of weeks ago.

Charles
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Sorry everyone-I mistakenly posted a private e-mail.
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Hi everyone,

	A friend sent me this some time ago, and I thought it was cute
and maybe others might enjoy it.

Jerri
(Who's husband works for UPS and who's three year old has a cold, and WHO
needs a little humor right now.)



********************************************************************************
I thought this was pretty cute, and I thought of you.  It's from the
"Yoyodyne Newsletter" I subscribe to....this chick named Wendy writes
about
her life and hobbies, and here's this week's contribution:


"Man am I tired. I've stayed up late the past two nights and
it's catching up with me. Last night I had my stained glass
class. I finished my first assignment and got home all
pumped up. I'm working on designing my second piece and I'm
excited because now I can do everything but the grinding
(you have to grind the glass when there are sharp edges or
to take some of the size off) at HOME, which is thrilling to
me, because I've never had a hobby you can do at home
before! Well, except for knitting. But you can't hang
knitting projects in the window and let the sun shine
through them. Well, okay, you can, but it would be pretty
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    Well everyone I just completed my first stepping uh Garden Stone.  I
did it "free hand" without a pattern (I'll never do that again!)  and by
jo I think I've got it!  It is two reeds of bamboo and some leaves with
a wispy white background.  If any body wants to see it e-mail me and
I'll send the jpg I have of it.  My husband and I invested in a digital
camera and it works pretty good.
    I go back to work on Monday, maternity leave is over. (heavy
sigh...)
Thanks for all your help "guys" You know who you are.
Melissa

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I would like to go - does one need to register, or just show up?
Hilary A. Bobker wrote:
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> Are you going to Glass Visions at Warner-Crivellaro? Would you like to
> spend an enjoyable hour or so on Sunday meeting people and sharing
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> and painless, I promise.
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Is that heald back East ?
Verbal Kint wrote:

> I would like to go - does one need to register, or just show up?
> Hilary A. Bobker wrote:
> >
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> fun
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Melissa Thaxton wrote:
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> Is that heald back East ?
Yes in Allentown PA
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Verbal Kint wrote:
> 
> I would like to go - does one need to register, or just show up?

To go to Glass Visions, one just shows up. All the details are on the
W-C web site.  http://www.warner-criv.com/

But! if you want to have **even more** fun by helping at the IGGA table
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Thanks for the tips Melanie.   I used to work in clay also and recently
purchased a small kiln hoping to combine clay & glass in much the same ways
you suggested.
I love the idea for sling pots and can't wait to try it and use some of these
bits of glass in the glazing process. I can't stand throwing the scrap glass
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Jewell, here's the url again:   http://www.stainedglass.co.uk/glashopa.htm
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LOL :)
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	One of my favorite stained glass websites.  
www.cdsnet.net/Business/Madstu/index.htm    (watch the capital letters)
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Jill Medlyn wrote:
>         One of my favorite stained glass websites.
> <http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/Madstu/index.htm>

Jill, definitely worth the look! I enjoyed Teresa's work...reminds me a
lot of Robert Oddy's artistry. Thanks!
LJ    
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> 
>     Well everyone I just completed my first stepping uh Garden Stone.  I
> did it "free hand" without a pattern (I'll never do that again!)  and by
> jo I think I've got it!  It is two reeds of bamboo and some leaves with
> a wispy white background.  If any body wants to see it e-mail me and
> I'll send the jpg I have of it.  My husband and I invested in a digital
> camera and it works pretty good.
>     I go back to work on Monday, maternity leave is over. (heavy
> sigh...)
> Thanks for all your help "guys" You know who you are.
> Melissa
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Hi everyone.  Whoever referenced Teresa's studio, thank you.  Perhaps the
poor sole who does not consider glass an art should be referred to this
site.  After viewing this work, it makes me want to try just a little bit
harder.  Sincerely, Lorna

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Big Bummer for me!Verbal Kint wrote:

> Melissa Thaxton wrote:
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> > Is that heald back East ?
> Yes in Allentown PA
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Hi ALL!
I recently had a problem when after applying patina to a lamp shade,
some of the glass became clouded. I have experienced this problem on a
number of occasions over the years, but, have never come to a full
conclusion as to what causes this haze. My speculation is that the
patina's reaction with the solder creates a by-product that adheres to
the surface of some glass. I have soaked pieces of the glass in patina
alone with no reaction. I guess the next test would be to add bits of
solder to it and see what happens then.

Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can
this be prevented? Can it be removed? 

Thanks for any suggestions.
-Vernon
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Hilary A. Bobker wrote: <with some snipped out>

> To go to Glass Visions, one just shows up. All the details are on the
> W-C web site.  http://www.warner-criv.com/
>
> But! if you want to have **even more** fun by helping at the IGGA
> table
> while at Glass Visions, you need to let me know so I can work out a
> schedule of who's responsible when.
>
> Hilary

   My momma told me to let people know b-4 I drop in so I was just
asking. I had seen the  W-C page, and was used to having to register for
this type of thing. I am not an IGGA member, but may have some free time
- do you take non-members?

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Vernon-I'm a nut for details!  What brand of patina did you use, how did you
put it on, how long did you leave it on and what did you take it off with.
 Please let us know and maybe we can give you some help. 

Thanks!
Dione
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Hi,
I did not see that address.. Could you please send that one again..
Thank you
Gloria

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Hi everyone.  Whoever referenced Teresa's studio, thank you.  Perhaps the
poor sole who does not consider glass an art should be referred to this
site.  After viewing this work, it makes me want to try just a little bit
harder.  Sincerely, Lorna

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Vernon wrote:
>I recently had a problem when after applying patina to a lamp shade,
>some of the glass became clouded. I have experienced this problem on a
>number of occasions over the years, but, have never come to a full
>conclusion as to what causes this haze. My speculation is that the
>patina's reaction with the solder creates a by-product that adheres to
>the surface of some glass. I have soaked pieces of the glass in patina
>alone with no reaction. I guess the next test would be to add bits of
>solder to it and see what happens then.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can
>this be prevented? Can it be removed? 

Yes, Vernon, it has happened to me once. Long ago I patina'ed a large 
panel and didn't wipe it off properly for a few days. To my dismay, there 
was a haze as you described. It doesn't show through light but in 
reflected light, was quite visible. This was on Spectrum's Waterglass. 

As far as preventing it, I make it a point to wash and wax immediately 
after patina'ing.  I never did find out what to do after the damage has 
been done. Tried every cleaner around, nothing worked. I would also love 
to hear from somebody who knows if anything can be done.



Suzanne Albright
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Vernon Brikowski wrote:
> 
> Hi ALL!
> I recently had a problem when after applying patina to a lamp shade,
> some of the glass became clouded. I have experienced this problem on a
> number of occasions over the years, but, have never come to a full
> conclusion as to what causes this haze. My speculation is that the
> patina's reaction with the solder creates a by-product that adheres to
> the surface of some glass. I have soaked pieces of the glass in patina
> alone with no reaction. I guess the next test would be to add bits of
> solder to it and see what happens then.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can
> this be prevented? Can it be removed?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -Vernon
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i think flux and patina remover is meant to remove that. i found it
happens mostly with black patina. i hav'nt used the patina remover with
that though. usually the light irridescent color is'nt so bad, for me to
worry.

---Mike Savad


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      Hi Folks,

      Could so one, please tell me what kind of paint, should be used on =
Monster Metal figures if one chooses to paint rather than use patina.
       Hope to meet you all at Warners on August 23rd. & 24th.
  Thank you in advance,

  Tim  Byrnes


 
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At 12:19 PM 8/4/97 -0700, Vernon wrote:
>solder to it and see what happens then.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can
>this be prevented? Can it be removed? 
>
I too have had this problem...with some red glass only.  It left what looked
like a haze or "oily" film that wasn't oily!  I could only assume that the
patina reacted with the glass.  Was your glass red too?

Debby



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[In the message entitled "Paint for Monster Metals" on Aug  4, 18:37, Tim Byrnes writes:]

>       Hi Folks,
> 
>       Could so one, please tell me what kind of paint, should be used on =
> Monster Metal figures if one chooses to paint rather than use patina.
>        Hope to meet you all at Warners on August 23rd. & 24th.

I use Color Magic brand ....glass & metal art paint



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>    My momma told me to let people know b-4 I drop in so I was just
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This is what the Novacan stain remover is made for.

Patina can react with tiny metal fragments in the
glass.

I'm not sure how well the stain remover removes
the "cloud".  This can be prevented by not leaving
the patina on unnecessarily long.

Charles Warner
Warner-Crivellaro

Vernon Brikowski wrote:
> 
> Hi ALL!
> I recently had a problem when after applying patina to a lamp shade,
> some of the glass became clouded. I have experienced this problem on a
> number of occasions over the years, but, have never come to a full
> conclusion as to what causes this haze. My speculation is that the
> patina's reaction with the solder creates a by-product that adheres to
> the surface of some glass. I have soaked pieces of the glass in patina
> alone with no reaction. I guess the next test would be to add bits of
> solder to it and see what happens then.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can
> this be prevented? Can it be removed?
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Hi Folks-

In the hot hot summertime-Maybe we could all use a good laugh!!
This was on the ArtMetal list-I'm still chuckling-enjoy.

> Greetings all --
> 
>   For the knuckle-busters amoung us....
> 
> Mechanic's Definitions
> 
> HAMMER:  Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is 
> used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car parts not far from the
> object we are trying to hit.
> 
> MECHANIC'S KNIFE:  Used to open and slice through the contents of 
> cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes
> containing convertible tops or tonneau covers.
> 
> ELECTRIC HAND DRILL:  Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their
> holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling 
> rollbar mounting holes in the floor of a sports car just above the brake
> line that
> goes to the rear axle.
> 
> HACKSAW:  One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board
> principle.  It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable 
> motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your
> future becomes.
> 
> VISE-GRIPS:  Used to round off bolt heads.  If nothing else is available,
> they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your
> hand.
> 
> OXYACETYLENE TORCH:  Used almost entirely for lighting those stale garage
> cigarettes you keep hidden in the back of the Whitworth socket drawer 
> (What wife would think to look in _there_?) because you can never remember to 
> buy lighter fluid for the Zippo lighter you got from the PX at Fort Campbell.
> 
> ZIPPO LIGHTER:  See oxyacetylene torch.
> 
> WHITWORTH SOCKETS:  Once used for working on older British cars and
> motorcycles, they are now used mainly for hiding six-month old Salems from
> the sort of person who would throw them away for no good reason.
> 
> DRILL PRESS:  A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat
> metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and
> flings your beer across the room, splattering it against the Rolling 
> Stones poster over the bench grinder.
> 
> WIRE WHEEL:  Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere 
> under the workbench with the speed of light.  Also removes fingerprint whorls 
> and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, 
> "Django Reinhardt".
> 
> HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK:  Used for lowering a Mustang to the ground after you
> have installed a set of Ford Motorsports lowered road springs, trapping 
> the jack handle firmly under the front air dam.
> 
> EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4:  Used for levering a car upward off a
> hydraulic jack.
> 
> TWEEZERS:  A tool for removing wood splinters.
> 
> PHONE:  Tool for calling your neighbor Chris to see if he has another
> hydraulic floor jack.
> 
> SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER:  Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for
> spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot.
> 
> E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR:  A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and 
> is ten times harder than any known drill bit.
> 
> TIMING LIGHT:  A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup 
> on crankshaft pulleys.
> 
> TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST:  A handy tool for testing the tensile
> strength of ground straps and hydraulic clutch lines you may have 
> forgotten to disconnect.
> 
> CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER:  A large motor mount prying tool that
> inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without
> the handle.
> 
> BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER:  A handy tool for transferring sulfuric acid
> from car battery to the inside of your toolbox after determining that your
> battery is dead as a doornail, just as you thought.
> 
> AVIATION METAL SNIPS:  See hacksaw.
> 
> TROUBLE LIGHT:  The mechanic's own tanning booth.  Sometimes called a drop
> light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin", which is
> not otherwise found under cars at night.  Health benefits aside, its main
> purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 
> 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the  
> Battle of the Bulge.  More often dark than light, its name is somewhat 
> misleading.
> 
> PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER:  Normally used to stab the lids of old-style
> paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; can also be used, as
> the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads.
> 
> AIR COMPRESSOR:  A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning
> power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that
> travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty
> suspension bolts last tightened 40 years ago by someone in Abingdon,
> Oxfordshire, and rounds them off.
> 
> Had to share it with someone! -- Steve Bloom
> Dr. Stephen A. Bloom
> Soil and Water Science Department
> University of Florida
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Tim Byrnes wrote:
> 
>       Hi Folks,
> 
>       Could so one, please tell me what kind of paint, should be used on Monster Metal figures if one chooses to paint rather than use patina.
>        Hope to meet you all at Warners on August 23rd. & 24th.
>   Thank you in advance,
> 
>   Tim  Byrnes
> 
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
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model paint, that color magic stuff, and nailpolish will all stick to
metal.

---Mike Savad

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> In the hot hot summertime-Maybe we could all use a good laugh!!
> This was on the ArtMetal list-I'm still chuckling-enjoy.

Yes, that was a good'un.  I think I hurt myself.

Albert
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I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
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Please share your secrets  for making glass beads.  Many thanx!!
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From: 	George & Gloria
Sent: 	Monday, August 04, 1997 2:21 PM
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Subject: 	RE: Teresa Madison Studio

Hi,
I did not see that address.. Could you please send that one again..
Thank you
Gloria

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Hi everyone.  Whoever referenced Teresa's studio, thank you.  Perhaps the
poor sole who does not consider glass an art should be referred to this
site.  After viewing this work, it makes me want to try just a little bit
harder.  Sincerely, Lorna

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     I had this problem with red/orange glass...after leaving patina on too 
     long.   No product would remove it.
     
     My daughter suggested nail polish remover -- it worked!! (non acetone)
     
     Now I do sections at a time -- with a damp rag handy to remove patina 
     along the way.  Also make sure the project is clean before applying 
     patina...recleaning even if left overnight.
     
     Cannot afford to have $$$ and time invested in a project only to have 
     it be inferior quality.
     
     Suzanne
     
     


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Date:    8/4/97 5:26 PM


     
Vernon wrote:
>I recently had a problem when after applying patina to a lamp shade, 
>some of the glass became clouded. I have experienced this problem on a 
>number of occasions over the years, but, have never come to a full 
>conclusion as to what causes this haze. My speculation is that the 
>patina's reaction with the solder creates a by-product that adheres to 
>the surface of some glass. I have soaked pieces of the glass in patina 
>alone with no reaction. I guess the next test would be to add bits of 
>solder to it and see what happens then.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this clouding? What is this haze? How can 
>this be prevented? Can it be removed? 
     
Yes, Vernon, it has happened to me once. Long ago I patina'ed a large 
panel and didn't wipe it off properly for a few days. To my dismay, there 
was a haze as you described. It doesn't show through light but in 
reflected light, was quite visible. This was on Spectrum's Waterglass. 
     
As far as preventing it, I make it a point to wash and wax immediately 
after patina'ing.  I never did find out what to do after the damage has 
been done. Tried every cleaner around, nothing worked. I would also love 
to hear from somebody who knows if anything can be done.
     
     
     
Suzanne Albright
<suzy@comcat.com>
     
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Hello everyone. I've been reading, with great interest, for a couple of
months now and I finally have a question.I have been investigating the
purchase of a glass cutting saw. There is a terrific store in Grand Rapids,
MI (The Stained Glass Place) that sells nearly every saw available so I was
able to test a few of them. The Tauras II ring saw is definitly THE
desirable saw; however, I am not a professional glass artist (but would like
to be some day) so spending that kind of money is hard for me to justify. I
did test Inlands new band saw and was very impressed with it as was one of
the artists working in the store. For the money (approx. $190.00), is seemed
to do as good a job as the Diamond Laser and the Gryphon which cost about
$350.00. Does anyone have an opinion on which band saw is the most reliable
and would be the best value? I'd appreciate your input.

Sally
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Sally Lamb wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. I've been reading, with great interest, for a couple of
> months now and I finally have a question.I have been investigating the
> purchase of a glass cutting saw. There is a terrific store in Grand Rapids,
> MI (The Stained Glass Place) that sells nearly every saw available so I was
> able to test a few of them. The Tauras II ring saw is definitly THE
> desirable saw; however, I am not a professional glass artist (but would like
> to be some day) so spending that kind of money is hard for me to justify. I
> did test Inlands new band saw and was very impressed with it as was one of
> the artists working in the store. For the money (approx. $190.00), is seemed
> to do as good a job as the Diamond Laser and the Gryphon which cost about
> $350.00. Does anyone have an opinion on which band saw is the most reliable
> and would be the best value? I'd appreciate your input.
> 
> Sally
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i've had the diamond laser 1000, it cuts glass, but not very well. it
tends to shake, when the blade twists, the glass may crack if it's
narrow. if you back out of a cut, the blade comes with it. the cutting
surface is small. and there is no easy way of cleaning the water area.

i don't have the inland bandsaw yet. the main advantage i can see
(besides being an inland), is that (i believe), it can turn into a wood
band saw. that can be pretty usefull for other applications.

i just got the taurus 2 bands saw for $300 at pacific glass. so far all
my test were succesfull, it guts like a pro. changing the blade is a
little more difficult, and the blade it comes with is a little wide; but
so far i like it the best. it's real easy to work with, holds plenty of
water, there's an area to stick in ice cubes to keep the blade cooler
longer. it's omni-directional, there is'nt any need to turn the glass at
all. and from my tests so far, marker does'nt flake and float off. and
water does'nt pile up on the glass.

---Mike Savad

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> Your Momma wasn't from New York, was she? <vbg>

Yes, all of us are from Attitude City, for 100+ years

> P.S. Is Verbal your real name?

No it's a character from the movie 'The Usual Suspects'. Kevin Spacey
played an interesting character, also know as  Kaiser Sose (pronounced
'sosay'). Pretty stong movie, but a great acting job by Spacey. Worth a
visit to Blockbuster, IMHO

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Hi all,

The paint that we use for the monsters varies from Color Magic to Testor's
model paints to White-Out.

The Color Magic is what we used to paint the majority of the dragons
(except for those that were patinated).  The translucent colors work great
because they cover the lead enough to show the color but are light enough
to fill in the grooves in the lead and provide texture and shading on their
own.  

The model paints are used on our fairies.  We use a primer first then apply
the fleshtones and other colors.  I recommend purchasing the military
colors set, that's all we have around here.

Finally, use White-Out on the dragon's teeth and claws. 

Hope this helps, we've been busy lately preparing to ship the next line of
our monsters.  You can check them out at http://www.monstermetals.com.  Our
latest creations include some fish, gargoyles, an eagle, and others. 
There's also a few that we don't have pictures of yet, but we'll have them
up as soon as we can.

Also, we'll be attending the Glass Visions at Warner-Crivellaro.  Maybe
we'll see some of you there.

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This stained glass is definitely art!
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Caroline:  Please share with me also,  I have been wanting to learn the
process for a long time but have not had the opportunity. I usually learn
better by seeing, and have been wondering if I could teach myself. Perhaps
there is hope for me!
Linda
At 06:43 PM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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     Sally,
        The Tarus is the only way to go -- Mike says Pacific (Southern 
     California?) has it for $300.  Think of it this way -- how long do you 
     plan to stay with glass? 2-3-5 years--? rest of your life?? You say 
     you hope someday to be a professional -- the quality of the cuts and 
     ease of cutting far outweigh "making do".  Treat yourself. Cut back 
     somewhere else is my suggestion.
     
     Suzanne


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Sally Lamb wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. I've been reading, with great interest, for a couple of 
> months now and I finally have a question.I have been investigating the
> purchase of a glass cutting saw. There is a terrific store in Grand Rapids, 
> MI (The Stained Glass Place) that sells nearly every saw available so I was 
> able to test a few of them. The Tauras II ring saw is definitly THE
> desirable saw; however, I am not a professional glass artist (but would like 
> to be some day) so spending that kind of money is hard for me to justify. I 
> did test Inlands new band saw and was very impressed with it as was one of
> the artists working in the store. For the money (approx. $190.00), is seemed 
> to do as good a job as the Diamond Laser and the Gryphon which cost about
> $350.00. Does anyone have an opinion on which band saw is the most reliable 
> and would be the best value? I'd appreciate your input.
> 
> Sally
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i've had the diamond laser 1000, it cuts glass, but not very well. it 
tends to shake, when the blade twists, the glass may crack if it's 
narrow. if you back out of a cut, the blade comes with it. the cutting 
surface is small. and there is no easy way of cleaning the water area.
     
i don't have the inland bandsaw yet. the main advantage i can see 
(besides being an inland), is that (i believe), it can turn into a wood 
band saw. that can be pretty usefull for other applications.
     
i just got the taurus 2 bands saw for $300 at pacific glass. so far all 
my test were succesfull, it guts like a pro. changing the blade is a 
little more difficult, and the blade it comes with is a little wide; but 
so far i like it the best. it's real easy to work with, holds plenty of 
water, there's an area to stick in ice cubes to keep the blade cooler 
longer. it's omni-directional, there is'nt any need to turn the glass at 
all. and from my tests so far, marker does'nt flake and float off. and 
water does'nt pile up on the glass.
     
---Mike Savad
     
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Hi Sally:
I've heard some negative things about the Inland saw--it's less
expensive, but sometimes that's not an advantage. 
You really can't beat Gemini. I have the Taurus I and really love it.
It's been tested big time (cutting probably 500 bevels)--and it came
through like a champ! So I'd pretty much recommend anything from Gemini.
I've also heard good things about the Taurus II.
Good luck
Carolyn
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Thank you.. Will try it out now. 

Jill Medlyn wrote:
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>         www.cdsnet.net/Business/Madstu/index.htm  (watch the capital letters)
> 
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> 
> Hi,
> I did not see that address.. Could you please send that one again..
> Thank you
> Gloria
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Hi all -

And I thought I had updated when I bought my
first Toyo Supercutter!  Michael cringed when I
acquired that new-fangled thing!  And until I
married into the business, the grinder hadn't =

seen the light of day in years - because "the
Master" doesn't think a grinder is necessary if
you can cut glass well (by hand).  The recent
threads on grinder heads wearing out too
fast makes me suspect that those little =

gadgets are being used for work they weren't
every intended for.  And it makes me wonder
what all these saws are being used for(?) Why =

can't the glass be cut by hand?  Is it for speed
in mass production?  Do your designs really
require "Tour de Force" glass pieces?  Are =

you trying to make the medium behave in a =

way that is against its nature?  As William Morris
said over 100 years ago -

"The special limitations of the material should
be a pleasure to you, not a hindrance..." =


And a good design will help you avoid many
of those impossibly difficult cuts - and save you
a ton of money on all those snazzy tools that
you probably won't need with a little more
practice, practice, practice!  Besides, a few
hundred bucks buys a bit of glass... even at
retail prices.

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios

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AMEN!!! that is what I have been privately thinking to myself all this time .
that if  these wild and wooly cuts are to be used in a window or door, that
they will soon give the owner much grief when he  has to get said window or
door fixed because of a crack in the glass that strangely eminated from that
very weak spot created from making the impossible cut possible with a saw. I
do see some use for these saws in other areas, such as to make multiple cuts
or for the fusing artists who need not worry as much about the weak spots.
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AMEN!!! that is what I have been privately thinking to myself all this time .
that if  these wild and wooly cuts are to be used in a window or door, that
they will soon give the owner much grief when he  has to get said window or
door fixed because of a crack in the glass that strangely eminated from that
very weak spot created from making the impossible cut possible with a saw. I
do see some use for these saws in other areas, such as to make multiple cuts
or for the fusing artists who need not worry as much about the weak spots.
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Why =

can't the glass be cut by hand?

	I have several saws as demonstrators and use them often, But 
never in place of cutting by hand. Saws can cut angles and shapes that 
are not possible by hand no mater how good you are. 
	Mike Barr
	Flowers Etc
	Metairie, La.
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> can't say this is true, but FYI anyway
>  Please read the attached.
>
>  ----------
> From:     Garry Wright[SMTP:Garry.Wright@bankerstrust.com]
> Sent:     Tuesday, August 05, 1997 1:43 PM
> To:  kilbey
> Subject:  Virus Alert
>
> Memorandum
>
> To: marstech
> marsblu_grp
> cc:
> From: Morton Cahn
> Local Date: 08/05/97 02:30:54 PM
> Sender's Date:  08/05/97 02:30:54 PM EDT
> Subject: Virus Alert
>
> URGENT!!!!!!!
>
> Memorandum
>
> To: See the mailing list below.
> cc:
> From: Darren Jaspan
> Local Date: 07/30/97 12:11:29 PM
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> Subject: VIRUS
>
> >Subject: Virus Alert!!!!!! >
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> >
> >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!! DO
> >NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
> >or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
> >computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any
> >mail items that says this. AOL has indicated said this is a very
> >dangerous virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time, Please
> >Be Careful, and forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.  Please
> >do not open up any mail that has this title.  It will erase your
> >whole hard drive. This is a new e-mail virus and not a lot of people
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can't say this is true, but FYI anyway
 ----------
From: Kilbey, Carol
To: FTI
Subject: FW: Virus Alert
Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 5:27PM

Please read the attached.

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From:     Garry Wright[SMTP:Garry.Wright@bankerstrust.com]
Sent:     Tuesday, August 05, 1997 1:43 PM
To:  kilbey
Subject:  Virus Alert

Memorandum

To: marstech
marsblu_grp
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From: Morton Cahn
Local Date: 08/05/97 02:30:54 PM
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URGENT!!!!!!!

Memorandum

To: See the mailing list below.
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>Subject: Virus Alert!!!!!! >
>WARNING !!!
>
>There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!! DO
>NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
>or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
>computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any
>mail items that says this. AOL has indicated said this is a very
>dangerous virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time, Please
>Be Careful, and forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.  Please
>do not open up any mail that has this title.  It will erase your
>whole hard drive. This is a new e-mail virus and not a lot of people
>know about it, just let everyone  know, so they won't be a victim.
>Please forward this e-mail to your friends!!!

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Carolyn Duncan wrote:
> 
<snip>I am
> having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
> know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
> ----
Yes please, TIA
-- Regards
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Does anyone else have the problem of a chalky white stuff on their solder
lines after a period of time?  
I clean my pieces with flux remover and finish with stained glass finishing
compound, but still find  that chalky stuff, sometimes even after just a few
weeks.  Is it something I'm doing wrong or just this Florida climate? 
I'm wondering if there's something that would protect the finish better.
Suggestions anyone?????
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Michael J. Greer wrote:
> 
> Hi all -
> 
> And I thought I had updated when I bought my
> first Toyo Supercutter!  Michael cringed when I
> acquired that new-fangled thing!  And until I
> married into the business, the grinder hadn't =
> 
> seen the light of day in years - because "the
> Master" doesn't think a grinder is necessary if
> you can cut glass well (by hand).  The recent
> threads on grinder heads wearing out too
> fast makes me suspect that those little =
> 
> gadgets are being used for work they weren't
> every intended for.  And it makes me wonder
> what all these saws are being used for(?) Why =
> 
> can't the glass be cut by hand?  Is it for speed
> in mass production?  Do your designs really
> require "Tour de Force" glass pieces?  Are =
> 
> you trying to make the medium behave in a =
> 
> way that is against its nature?  As William Morris
> said over 100 years ago -
> 
> "The special limitations of the material should
> be a pleasure to you, not a hindrance..." =
> 
> And a good design will help you avoid many
> of those impossibly difficult cuts - and save you
> a ton of money on all those snazzy tools that
> you probably won't need with a little more
> practice, practice, practice!  Besides, a few
> hundred bucks buys a bit of glass... even at
> retail prices.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dani Greer
> Greer Gallery & Studios
> 
> http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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i think it's good to have different ways to cut glass. besides the
impossible cuts (for where you would'nt want a break line). it's good at
cutting drapery, extra thick glass, etc. it only replaces a cutter for
impossible cuts. for everyday cuts i still stick with my cutter.

---Mike Savad

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> can't say this is true, but FYI anyway
>  Please read the attached.
>
>  ----------
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>
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>
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> marsblu_grp
> cc:
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> Local Date: 08/05/97 02:30:54 PM
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> Subject: Virus Alert
>
> URGENT!!!!!!!
>
> Memorandum
>
> To: See the mailing list below.
> cc:
> From: Darren Jaspan
> Local Date: 07/30/97 12:11:29 PM
> Sender's Date:  07/30/97 12:11:29 PM EDT
> Subject: VIRUS
>
> >Subject: Virus Alert!!!!!! >
> >WARNING !!!
> >
> >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!! DO
> >NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
> >or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
> >computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any
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> >do not open up any mail that has this title.  It will erase your
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can't say this is true, but FYI anyway
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From: Kilbey, Carol
To: FTI
Subject: FW: Virus Alert
Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 5:27PM

Please read the attached.

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MBellonci@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone else have the problem of a chalky white stuff on their solder
> lines after a period of time?
> I clean my pieces with flux remover and finish with stained glass finishing
> compound, but still find  that chalky stuff, sometimes even after just a few
> weeks.  Is it something I'm doing wrong or just this Florida climate?
> I'm wondering if there's something that would protect the finish better.
> Suggestions anyone?????
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it's generally imbeded flux, or maybe your water is too hard and the
residue is'nt washing off. if that's the case try cleaning your piece
with denatured alchohol (in a squirt bottle of some kind). clean it
after your done soldering, and again after patinaing.

---Mike Savad

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Ah my, truly art, makes me want to try harder too!

Lee Boe
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http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/Madstu/fish.htm

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Carolyn,
I would love to know the details of this process!  Please post it (I'm sure
I'm not the only one who would like to know how to do this) or you can email
me at LVbeatnik@aol.com

Thanks! 
Mimi


>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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I find that I get that on solder seams if I use liquid flux.  We call it
"solder bloom".
I've been told that cleaning the piece right away with baking soda and water
eliminates this.  I prefer paste flux and don't get solder bloom when I use
it.  I do think that climate is a factor.

Dione
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Carolyn Duncan wrote:
> 
> I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
> head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
> releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
> decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
> having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
> know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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Would LOVE more details!!!  I have equipment and scraps.  
My E-mail address is 
	
	macbrown@nfis.com

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> > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days

Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I 
think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.

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 Greetings,

There's a new stained glass site on the web designed specifically with one
purpose in mind: To further advance the art of stained glass.  If you're
anxious to jump to the URL it is http://www.stainedglassbiz.com .  If you
still want to hear more about the features, read on.

Stained Glass Biz has taken extensive time and effort to design this site to
aid the crafter.  When you go there you will find a chatboard where you can
ask and receive answers to any questions that you may have about the craft.
Our staff monitors the board constantly and with our experience in the
craft, we have the knowledge and ability to respond promptly with answers
for you.  There is a section devoted to MSDS sheets which you can access to
get information on the chemicals you have setting on the end of your
workbench.  There is a growing articles and FAQ section to help you along in
your work.  We encourage contribution from our surfers and look forward to
building on these sections with your help.

If you're looking for a stained glass store in your area, there is a search
engine to help you find one.  Also, what we are most proud of, is a database
of patterns.  Yes, you guessed it, you can go to the search page and go
through our database to find what book has the pattern you wanted.

Additionally, there is a featured work of the week, free patterns, a
gallery, opportunities, upcoming events, and more!

Most importantly, our site is designed by a rare combination of internet and
craft professionals.  We're out to build the most expansive and inclusive
resource of information on stained glass.  We care what you have to say
because after all, the site is there for you, so your input is very
valuable.

Okay, enough of me telling you how great our site is.  See for yourself, go
check it out.  http://www.stainedglassbiz.com

Enjoy,
Pete


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I'd like more information on the details your using for using scrap
glass. Mary Austin
diamonds@juno.com 
Thanks


On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:43:10 -0700 Carolyn Duncan <chick@cyberg8t.com>
writes:
>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let 
>me
>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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Sure would like to here how you do that too. (Sorry gang, I accidentally
deleted Carolyns address so had to post here) ...Wayne  (wmunro@mars.ark.com)

>Carolyn Duncan wrote:
>> 
><snip>I am
>> having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
>> know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
>> ----
>Yes please, TIA
>-- Regards
>Melanie Dunstan
>in Perth, Australia
>Encaustic Art:  http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cbooth/melanie.htm
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Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507  Cell- (250) 720-7175
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Me roo, or three or so, thank you Carolyn , please send the info to me.
leestat7@home.com
Have lots of scrap, can go get oxy/propane and hot head set up.  Tell me
what to get please.

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations




Melanie Dunstan wrote:
> 
> Carolyn Duncan wrote:
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> <snip>I am
> > having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let me
> > know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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ROFL.
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At the risk of irritating others here, I'd like the info on using the scrap
glass too, please.  Sorry, I misplaced her original post with her address.

Susie
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Michael Collins wrote:
> 
> I have a web page that I think people will be interested in seeing could
> you include this page as a link for stained glass?  My web is called
> Stained Glass Clocks and More in it people may purchase patterns, clock
> movements, and light stands.  The link would be
http://www.net-link.net/~smega001  Thankyou Michael Collins email
> smega001@bigfoot.com
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Thought I'd pass this along to those of you who may not belong to any
other stained glass mailing lists, (which is where I received it
from)...  It even hs n article on 'Soldering Irons', written by o
u
r
well-known and illustrious Albert L.!  (WHERE do you FIND the time
Albert???  I stand amazed!)

Have fun checking it out!

V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
Wanchese, NC, USA

> Greetings,
>
>There's a new stained glass site on the web designed specifically with one
>purpose in mind: To further advance the art of stained glass.  If you're
>anxious to jump to the URL it is http://www.stainedglassbiz.com .  If you
>still want to hear more about the features, read on.
>
>Stained Glass Biz has taken extensive time and effort to design this site to
>aid the crafter.  When you go there you will find a chatboard where you can
>ask and receive answers to any questions that you may have about the craft.
>Our staff monitors the board constantly and with our experience in the
>craft, we have the knowledge and ability to respond promptly with answers
>for you.  There is a section devoted to MSDS sheets which you can access to
>get information on the chemicals you have setting on the end of your
>workbench.  There is a growing articles and FAQ section to help you along in
>your work.  We encourage contribution from our surfers and look forward to
>building on these sections with your help.
>
>If you're looking for a stained glass store in your area, there is a search
>engine to help you find one.  Also, what we are most proud of, is a database
>of patterns.  Yes, you guessed it, you can go to the search page and go
>through our database to find what book has the pattern you wanted.
>
>Additionally, there is a featured work of the week, free patterns, a
>gallery, opportunities, upcoming events, and more!
>
>Most importantly, our site is designed by a rare combination of internet and
>craft professionals.  We're out to build the most expansive and inclusive
>resource of information on stained glass.  We care what you have to say
>because after all, the site is there for you, so your input is very
>valuable.
>
>Okay, enough of me telling you how great our site is.  See for yourself, go
>check it out.  http://www.stainedglassbiz.com
>
>Enjoy,
>Pete
>
>
>
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Any time I want a laugh I look at the Hacksaw...Those were great!
Melissa
Albert Lewis wrote:

> > In the hot hot summertime-Maybe we could all use a good laugh!!
> > This was on the ArtMetal list-I'm still chuckling-enjoy.
>
> Yes, that was a good'un.  I think I hurt myself.
>
> Albert
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Carolyn This sounds pretty interesting. Send me more info!
Melissa   mthaxton@ix.netcom.com
Carolyn Duncan wrote:

> I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot
>
> head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a
> releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I
> decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am
> having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let
> me
> know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn
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This my dear is called Oxidation.  Everything around us oxidizes in some
form or another.(ie, Antioxidents cure this?)  Oh the pain of it!
Melissa

MBellonci@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone else have the problem of a chalky white stuff on their
> solder
> lines after a period of time?
> I clean my pieces with flux remover and finish with stained glass
> finishing
> compound, but still find  that chalky stuff, sometimes even after just
> a few
> weeks.  Is it something I'm doing wrong or just this Florida climate?
> I'm wondering if there's something that would protect the finish
> better.
> Suggestions anyone?????
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> you trying to make the medium behave in a =
>
> way that is against its nature?  As William Morris
> said over 100 years ago -
>
> "The special limitations of the material should
> be a pleasure to you, not a hindrance..." =
>

I agree on this point, if you cannot cut it then it isn't fit for a
window.  It'll break someday from the stress anyway.
Meliss

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Well I sure hope it's a hoax!!Albert Lewis wrote:

> > > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days
>
> Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I
> think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.
>
> Albert Lewis
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Well I sure hope it's a hoax!!
Albert Lewis wrote:

> > > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days
>
> Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I
> think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.
>
> Albert Lewis
>
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Would llike to have information on making glass beadsfrom scrap.  Thanks in
advance.
Bubstah@aol.com
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I missed the joke somehow.  Could someone please clue in the clueless one?
 (blush, blush!)

Susie
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A very nice site. I particularly like the MSDS sheets for manufacturers =
products all in one place. I've bookmarked the page am I am looking =
forward to its growth.

Linda Campbell

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Verbal Kint wrote:
> > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!! DO
> > >NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
> > >or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
> > >computer components and render them useless. 

This scare has been originating from AOL for years! I wouldn't lend it
any validity by forwarding. If people know anything about computers they
know you CANNOT get a virus by opening up mail. If you download an
attached file that is some type of executable program, you could be in
trouble...according to the experts the virus has not yet been created
that can be placed in a text/mail file.
______________________________________________________________
LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: artist@busprod.com

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I don't think so -I posted this to the list, and not coincidently, last
weekend, my brother got hit by a boot sector virus, and had to replace
his 1.6 gig hard drive, and a ton of software. This is after installing
a fresh copy of a name brand virus scan product. There are more people
writing virus' than there are writing protection software.
 Ignore it if you want, I was only trying to be heplful.
Melissa Thaxton wrote:

> Well I sure hope it's a hoax!!
> Albert Lewis wrote:
>
> > > > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days
> >
> > Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I
> > think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.
> >
> > Albert Lewis
> >
> > International Guild of Glass Artists
> > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization
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> > (914) 278-2152   Fax: (914) 278-2481
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> I don't think so -I posted this to the list, and not coincidently, last
> weekend, my brother got hit by a boot sector virus, and had to replace
> his 1.6 gig hard drive, and a ton of software. This is after installing
> a fresh copy of a name brand virus scan product. There are more people
> writing virus' than there are writing protection software.
>  Ignore it if you want, I was only trying to be heplful.

I think we all understand that you were trying to be helpful, but 
just as much damage is done by spreading untrue rumors as by 
spreading viruses.  I don't mean to imply that you were trying to do 
damage or cause undue alarm or scare people, not at all. I think you 
were trying to be helpful and to alert all of us.  Even if your 
brother *was hit by a boot sector virus, that would not necessitate 
the replacement of the drive, nor of the software. In the worst case, 
he might have had to reformat the drive and reinstall the software, 
which would be an enormous pain in the behind, not to mention it 
might mean the loss of any new data since his last backup (the 
previous day?).

Speaking of coincidences (and I think your brother's crash *was 
coincidental, sorry):

Oddly enough, I too installed brand name virus protection software 
(Norton Utilities 2.0) and discovered that even though my box seemed 
to be running well, there were a number of glitches and errors that 
the software fixed.  Just because one isn't aware that problems are 
developing on one's computer doesn't mean they're not there.

As for the replacement of the 1.6 gig drive, I had to replace a 4 gig
drive last week (arr, arr, Arr!) ... and *it was my backup drive
(there are two drives on my box: one of them 1.6 gig and the other the
4 gig), so I've been having to switch in and out of modes to grab the
data I'd parked there before I pull and replace the big drive.  Stupid
of me to trust even a new drive entirely, but there you are.

Again, I don't mean to impugn your intentions; I think you acted and 
warned us with the best of intentions.  But it's also important for 
people to know that malicious rumors are also spread to cause fear 
and alarm that are just as bad.  Kinda like web terrorism, isn't it?

Albert
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It's not great art, just a craft item but I want to share with you what =
I made last night. I assume you have seen Mason jars upside down on a =
galvanized stand with jelly beans or peanuts inside. The fairs call them =
People Feeders. The stand is really a chicken feeder with holes just =
large enough to get your finger in and snitch a few morsels.=20

Well, I made mine out of a mayonaise jar - mason jars don't cut too well =
because of the raised logos and such. I cut out a 3 inch section from =
the center of the jar and inserted a bright red and white checkerboard =
design - yes, it looks like Ralston Purina. I used Canfields lead free =
solder so it wouldn't contaminate the goodies and it's kind of cute. I =
may do some other designs.

I found that the trick to cutting the jars is to get a skip free score =
by holding the jar in a wooden 90 degree jig while turning it and =
holding the glass cutter against the jar. Skips cause the break to want =
to got vertically instead of around. I thought I could use my Ringstar =
pliers but tapping the score with a bent rod from the inside worked =
better. Patience was the key.

I found that 14 sections around was a nice fit to the roundness of the =
jar. I got the actual size of the pieces using an old drafting trick. =
After I cut the jar I placed the open ended cut on a piece of paper and =
traced the circle from inside the jar. I then walked my dividers around =
the circle until it came out 14 exactly and there was the width of my =
checkerboard pieces.

I used both the top and bottom of the jar but I think it would be nicer =
to use only as much as needed to use the screw threads and make the =
whole rest of the jar including bottom from stained glass.

Just thought I'd share. Now, back to that lighthouse....

Linda Campbell
Suffolk, VA

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Albert Lewis wrote:
> 
> > I don't think so -I posted this to the list, and not coincidently, last
> > weekend, my brother got hit by a boot sector virus, and had to replace
> > his 1.6 gig hard drive, and a ton of software. This is after installing
> > a fresh copy of a name brand virus scan product. There are more people
> > writing virus' than there are writing protection software.
> >  Ignore it if you want, I was only trying to be heplful.
> 
> I think we all understand that you were trying to be helpful, but
> just as much damage is done by spreading untrue rumors as by
> spreading viruses.  I don't mean to imply that you were trying to do
> damage or cause undue alarm or scare people, not at all. I think you
> were trying to be helpful and to alert all of us.  Even if your
> brother *was hit by a boot sector virus, that would not necessitate
> the replacement of the drive, nor of the software. In the worst case,
> he might have had to reformat the drive and reinstall the software,
> which would be an enormous pain in the behind, not to mention it
> might mean the loss of any new data since his last backup (the
> previous day?).
> 
> Speaking of coincidences (and I think your brother's crash *was
> coincidental, sorry):
> 
> Oddly enough, I too installed brand name virus protection software
> (Norton Utilities 2.0) and discovered that even though my box seemed
> to be running well, there were a number of glitches and errors that
> the software fixed.  Just because one isn't aware that problems are
> developing on one's computer doesn't mean they're not there.
> 
> As for the replacement of the 1.6 gig drive, I had to replace a 4 gig
> drive last week (arr, arr, Arr!) ... and *it was my backup drive
> (there are two drives on my box: one of them 1.6 gig and the other the
> 4 gig), so I've been having to switch in and out of modes to grab the
> data I'd parked there before I pull and replace the big drive.  Stupid
> of me to trust even a new drive entirely, but there you are.
> 
> Again, I don't mean to impugn your intentions; I think you acted and
> warned us with the best of intentions.  But it's also important for
> people to know that malicious rumors are also spread to cause fear
> and alarm that are just as bad.  Kinda like web terrorism, isn't it?
> 
> Albert
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ok, i really did'nt read the virus alert that much, but for the
concerned go here: http://www.eliashim.com/valert.html this gives daily
warnings about hoax and real viruses. F-Prot - so far works the best (i
think, anyway). except it expires in a months time, because usually an
update is needed.

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ROFL?  What does this mean?  Thanks.

At 11:58 PM 8/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>ROFL.
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Hi Gang,
I'm doing some freeform stained glass hangings using scrap glass.  Some of
the pieces are copper-foiled and some are fused with wire sandwiched
between for the purpose of hanging from piece to piece.  Does anyone know
what kind of wire I should/can use to fuse with?

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Good morning,
                I have been told by our computer guru's here that one cannot
pass on viruses via e-mail..... to expand on this thought:  one cannot
spread a virus by opening e-mail but rather through a containated document
that has been attached.  Does anyone here have any information or thoughts
on this statement?   

At 04:55 AM 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Well I sure hope it's a hoax!!Albert Lewis wrote:
>
>> > > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days
>>
>> Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I
>> think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.
>>
>> Albert Lewis
>>
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Barbara wrote:
> 
> ROFL?  What does this mean?  Thanks.
> 
> At 11:58 PM 8/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >ROFL.
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what it was related to i'm not sure. but it stands for: Rolling On the
Floor Laughing

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You wrote:
> I have been told by our computer guru's here that one cannot
> pass on viruses via e-mail..... to expand on this thought:  one cannot
> spread a virus by opening e-mail but rather through a containated document
> that has been attached.  Does anyone here have any information or thoughts
> on this statement?

as someone in the computer business, this specific notice is a hoax. the  
virus is a human one; people passing on rumours without attribution or  
investigation, causing wasted computer resources and undue alarm. this is the  
same as the 'Good Times' virus, with the name changed.

however, there have been cases where downloading email has caused an  
infection of a virus. these have to do with downloading a document that has  
an attached MSWord file. MSWord contains the capability to have executable  
macros embedded in documents, and these macros can do unwelcome things to  
your computer.

people interested in this topic should investigate the site maintained by  
the Computer Emergency Response Team, who have a site at http://www.cert.org.  
they list all known viruses, symptoms and solutions, found worldwide to  
date. they are extremely aggressive in documenting all newly found ones  
quickly and should be the first place anyone goes to for verification on  
hearing of a new virus.

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One of the problems with computers, is that there are many opinions,
based on assumptions, and until anecdotal experience proves otherwise,
be careful out there!
Fact - there ARE boot sector viruses that can be buried in Word MACROS,
that will execute as soon as you open the document, if you have Word on
your machine
Fact - Some email reader/composers allow you to COPY a  Word document
into an email without ATTACHing it
Fact - The company I work for was exposed to one of these in an email
sent to ALL staff by the HR department. There is a patch to warn you
when there is a buried macro, before the macro gets activated. Those who
had the patch deleted the email, and were ok. Those who didn't, had the
boot sector erased, and lost their hard drive.
Barbara wrote:

> Good morning,
>                 I have been told by our computer guru's here that one
> cannot
> pass on viruses via e-mail..... to expand on this thought:  one cannot
>
> spread a virus by opening e-mail but rather through a containated
> document
> that has been attached.  Does anyone here have any information or
> thoughts
> on this statement?



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Me too — Would like to have information on making glass beads from
scrap.  Thanks in advance.  
Maybe though — if instructions are not too long they could be posted to
the list, because there seem to be a lot of requests and this is a lot
of individual work for Carolyn. Just a suggestion. Laura B
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I have been led to believe that there is no way that text e-mail can
contain a virus — that you have to open an attachment for the virus to
attach. Just my 2 cents. Laura B
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For more information about viruses, the U.S. Department of Energy maintains  
a comprehensive WWW site with links to other sites at the Computer Incident  
Advisory Capability web page:

http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACVirusDatabase.html

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Carolyn,

I'd love to have more information on making glass beads from scrap.
You can reach me at alansing@nwu.edu 

Thanks, Amy Lansing



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     Suzanne Haley
     shaley@mfi.com


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I'd like more information on the details your using for using scrap 
glass. Mary Austin
diamonds@juno.com 
Thanks
     
     
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:43:10 -0700 Carolyn Duncan <chick@cyberg8t.com> 
writes:
>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot 
>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a 
>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I 
>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am 
>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let 
>me
>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn 
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     Sally,
        The Tarus is the only way to go -- Mike says Pacific (Southern 
     California?) has it for $300.  Think of it this way -- how long do you 
     plan to stay with glass? 2-3-5 years--? rest of your life?? You say 
     you hope someday to be a professional -- the quality of the cuts and 
     ease of cutting far outweigh "making do".  Treat yourself. Cut back 
     somewhere else is my suggestion.
     
     Suzanne


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Sally Lamb wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. I've been reading, with great interest, for a couple of 
> months now and I finally have a question.I have been investigating the
> purchase of a glass cutting saw. There is a terrific store in Grand Rapids, 
> MI (The Stained Glass Place) that sells nearly every saw available so I was 
> able to test a few of them. The Tauras II ring saw is definitly THE
> desirable saw; however, I am not a professional glass artist (but would like 
> to be some day) so spending that kind of money is hard for me to justify. I 
> did test Inlands new band saw and was very impressed with it as was one of
> the artists working in the store. For the money (approx. $190.00), is seemed 
> to do as good a job as the Diamond Laser and the Gryphon which cost about
> $350.00. Does anyone have an opinion on which band saw is the most reliable 
> and would be the best value? I'd appreciate your input.
> 
> Sally
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i've had the diamond laser 1000, it cuts glass, but not very well. it 
tends to shake, when the blade twists, the glass may crack if it's 
narrow. if you back out of a cut, the blade comes with it. the cutting 
surface is small. and there is no easy way of cleaning the water area.
     
i don't have the inland bandsaw yet. the main advantage i can see 
(besides being an inland), is that (i believe), it can turn into a wood 
band saw. that can be pretty usefull for other applications.
     
i just got the taurus 2 bands saw for $300 at pacific glass. so far all 
my test were succesfull, it guts like a pro. changing the blade is a 
little more difficult, and the blade it comes with is a little wide; but 
so far i like it the best. it's real easy to work with, holds plenty of 
water, there's an area to stick in ice cubes to keep the blade cooler 
longer. it's omni-directional, there is'nt any need to turn the glass at 
all. and from my tests so far, marker does'nt flake and float off. and 
water does'nt pile up on the glass.
     
---Mike Savad
     
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I may be traveling to Portland Oregon in the next couple of months and would
like to visit recommended stained glass studios or glass manufacturers.  Any
suggestions?    
I understand that Uroboros Glass and Bulls Eye Glass are located there.  Does
anyone have the E-Mail address for Bulls Eye?  Anybody visited either of
these locations in person.  Do they sell directly to the hobbyist on the
premises?  Things like small pieces of stained glass or extra overruns?  Etc.

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     Suzanne Haley
     shaley@mfi.com


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I'd like more information on the details your using for using scrap 
glass. Mary Austin
diamonds@juno.com 
Thanks
     
     
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:43:10 -0700 Carolyn Duncan <chick@cyberg8t.com> 
writes:
>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot 
>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a 
>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I 
>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am 
>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let 
>me
>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn 
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Jackie wrote:
Hi Gang,
I'm doing some freeform stained glass hangings using scrap glass.  
Some of
the pieces are copper-foiled and some are fused with wire sandwiched
between for the purpose of hanging from piece to piece.  Does anyone 
know
what kind of wire I should/can use to fuse with?

Bob says;
I have had good luck fusing ordinary copper wire in glass. The wire 
oxidizes & turns black. When placing the wire, usually between two 
pieces of glass, I hammer in a few small flat spots. This prevents 
the wire from pulling out as will often happen with a straight piece 
of wire. There are other wires that have a closer compatability with 
glass but their name escapes me.
Bob
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     Bullseye Glass, 3722 S.E. 21st Ave, Portland OR 97202  Phone 503 97202
     
     Uroboros Glass Studios, 2139 N. Kerby, Portland OR 97227 Phone 503 
     284-4900.  WEBSITE http://www.uroboros.com     
     EMAIL:uroboros@teleport.com
     
     You have to go through a wholesaler for Bullseye and Uroboros.
     
     If you are in California -- Oceana Glass Company 359 Coral Street, 
     Santa Cruz, CA 95060  Phone 408 423-4988.  Great people in business 15 
     years.  If you have a resale license will sell direct on site.  
     Beautiful glass.
     
     Suzanne
     shaley@mfi.com


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I may be traveling to Portland Oregon in the next couple of months and would 
like to visit recommended stained glass studios or glass manufacturers.  Any 
suggestions?    
I understand that Uroboros Glass and Bulls Eye Glass are located there.  Does 
anyone have the E-Mail address for Bulls Eye?  Anybody visited either of 
these locations in person.  Do they sell directly to the hobbyist on the 
premises?  Things like small pieces of stained glass or extra overruns?  Etc.
     
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I will attempt to give you the gist of how to make beads.  I would
recommend a class or the book Making Glass Beads by Cindy Jenkins. 
Remember safety.  Nothing combustible on the work surface, a fire
extinguisher near by and my ice water become first aid for burns (only
one so far).  I use a piece of Wonder Board to place my tools on.  You
need a Hot Head torch that burns Mapp gas.  Mandrels 1/16, 3/32 made out
of stainless steel that I get at a welding supply store cut to 9"
lengths (4 per rod).  Bead release to dip mandrels and I drilled a
2X6X16" piece of wood so the mandrels could dry and to hold them for
use.  Holes about 1/2" apart.  I bent a piece of metal to clamp on the
table so that the torch head is about parallel to the table and a  90
degree bend to support the end of the tank.  A velcro strap holds the
tank to the metal support.  Needle nose pliers to hold the glass pieces
cut about 1/4 to 3/8 in wide and 1 to 1 1/2"long.  A piece of marble or
a graphite paddle to help shape the bead. I introduce the glass to the
heat by waving through the flame about 6" from the torch head then bring
it to the working area 1 to 1 1/2" from the torch head.  Holding the
mandrel in my left hand you need to heat the area on the mandrel that
you are going to apply the glass to a glowing red as the glass begins to
sag and get into a molten state you bring it to the mandrel and twist
the mandrel wrapping the glass around it.  This is the tricky part and
needs practice.  It is alright to release the glass and turn the mandrel
before you have finished wrapping.  You can use the plier end to help
press the end of the glass down.  You then roll the  mandrel around in
the flame to shape.  I move the bead to a cooler area of the flame to
judge the shape and roll it on the marble or graphite pad to help
shape.  When satified with the shape remove from flame but continue to
twist mandrel as the glass cools as it will sag and change shape.  Once
the bead looses it's red glow place it in a kiln blanket or anneal in a
crock pot containing vermiculite on high setting then into a container
of vermiculite to cool about 30 min.  There is some discussion about
using vermiculite because of a natural occuring asbestos.  I am not sure
how dangerious this practice is.  Beads larger than a walnut need to be
annealed in a kiln.  I wear nunber 3 welder goggles to protect against
damage from looking into the flame.  Didymium lenses are designed for
the hot glass worker and I will be buying some soon.  They are much more
expensive but better.  After the bead has cooled place in a container of
soapy water to dissolve the bead release.  Hold the mandrel with vice
grip pliers in one and then gently twist off the bead.  I hold the bead
in a towel as sometimes the bead will break.  Use pipe cleaners to
remove the bead release from the hole.  Wale Apparatus Company E-mail
waleapp@aol.com will send you a catalog.  A good hot glass link page is
http:www.hotglass.com/links.html   I hope this helps, it is by no way
complete but hopefully a good start.  I find that experimenting with
different colors and manifactures of glass is fun.  Some turn out awful
do to the exposure of the flame or my skill.  Spectrum baroque and their
whispy types of glass make beautiful beads.
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Thanks, Melissa, at least now I have a name for the chalky white stuff on my
stained glass, but what do I do for it, maybe rub on some vitamin E???   :)  
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Barbara wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
>                 I have been told by our computer guru's here that one cannot
> pass on viruses via e-mail..... to expand on this thought:  one cannot
> spread a virus by opening e-mail but rather through a containated document
> that has been attached.  Does anyone here have any information or thoughts
> on this statement?
> 
> At 04:55 AM 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Well I sure hope it's a hoax!!Albert Lewis wrote:
> >
> >> > > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days
> >>
> >> Um.  There's something funny about this message ... personally, I
> >> think it's a hoax and nothing to worry about.
> >>
> >> Albert Lewis
> >>
> >> International Guild of Glass Artists
> >> A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization
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there is the HARE virus, deadly to a computer and can be transfered in a
binary format. how accurate it is when done in e-mail, i'm not sure. but
theoretically, if a gif file can be compiled and viewed when it's in
it's UUEncoded format, then a execution file should be able to run as
well.

---Mike Savad

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>                 I have been told by our computer guru's here that one cannot
> pass on viruses via e-mail..... to expand on this thought:  one cannot
> spread a virus by opening e-mail but rather through a containated document
> that has been attached.  Does anyone here have any information or thoughts
> on this statement?

Thoughts: even though everyone here is a swell human being, this is 
not the proper forum for virus (hoax) tech talk.  I'd suggest

http://www.public.usit.net/lesjones/goodtimes.html
http://www.pcmag.com/issues/1520/pcmg0032.htm
http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Miscellaneous/Public_Notices/pnmc5036.txt
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
http://www.av.ibm.com/BreakingNews/HypeAlert
http://www.datafellows.fi/vir-info/index.htm#search
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html

for starters.

Albert
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Bullseye has opened a retail shop in downtown Portland that has all
their glass available plus many outstanding examples of glass work, like
one of Dale Chihuly's chandeliers and many other artists. They also have
a working studio which they do beads, goblets etc, it changes regularly.
They have many glass artists working with them.

You can purchase glass from the Uroboros factory by way of Cline Glass
Company, you purchase it through Clines,  a local retail glass store in
Portland, and pick it up at the factory. They do not sell direct to the
public. The best glass store in Portland is Clines, that has a huge
selection of glass, supplies and finished product. Check with Uroboros
for details, its been a couple of years since I have done it.

Janie

>      Bullseye Glass, 3722 S.E. 21st Ave, Portland OR 97202  Phone 503 97202
> 
>      Uroboros Glass Studios, 2139 N. Kerby, Portland OR 97227 Phone 503
>      284-4900.  WEBSITE http://www.uroboros.com
>      EMAIL:uroboros@teleport.com
> 
>      You have to go through a wholesaler for Bullseye and Uroboros.
> 
>      If you are in California -- Oceana Glass Company 359 Coral Street,
>      Santa Cruz, CA 95060  Phone 408 423-4988.  Great people in business 15
>      years.  If you have a resale license will sell direct on site.
>      Beautiful glass.
> 
>      Suzanne
>      shaley@mfi.com
>
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Thanks Bob!  Copper was my first thought but I was thinking that maybe
brass also!!
I have seen fused plates with brass objects inside.

Jackie

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> From: MR ROBERT E DUCHESNEAU <YWAH36A@prodigy.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Fusing wire in glass
> Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 1:40 PM
> 
> Jackie wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> I'm doing some freeform stained glass hangings using scrap glass.  
> Some of
> the pieces are copper-foiled and some are fused with wire sandwiched
> between for the purpose of hanging from piece to piece.  Does anyone 
> know
> what kind of wire I should/can use to fuse with?
> 
> Bob says;
> I have had good luck fusing ordinary copper wire in glass. The wire 
> oxidizes & turns black. When placing the wire, usually between two 
> pieces of glass, I hammer in a few small flat spots. This prevents 
> the wire from pulling out as will often happen with a straight piece 
> of wire. There are other wires that have a closer compatability with 
> glass but their name escapes me.
> Bob
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Hi fellow Bungians!  Would anybody happen to know where I can find a small (8" x
10") pattern of a Jack Russell terrier and also the same size pattern of an African
violet?

Appreciate any help....

Steph ~
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Hi Jackie!

A good ceramic supply will carry high temp wire, some is rated up to
2500oF. Depending on your application, plain copper wire might work,
but, it'll blacken and oxidation may reduce the gauge. Test fire w/
copper wire first, then if it doesn't satisfactory and you need a source
for ceramic supplies, you may send me an email and I'll refer you to the
one I use.

-Vernon 

  
Jackie wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang,
> I'm doing some freeform stained glass hangings using scrap glass.  Some of
> the pieces are copper-foiled and some are fused with wire sandwiched
> between for the purpose of hanging from piece to piece.  Does anyone know
> what kind of wire I should/can use to fuse with?
> 
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Please send me the info also.  Thanks 

At 10:41 AM 8/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>     Suzanne Haley
>     shaley@mfi.com
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>     
>     
>I'd like more information on the details your using for using scrap 
>glass. Mary Austin
>diamonds@juno.com 
>Thanks
>     
>     
>On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:43:10 -0700 Carolyn Duncan <chick@cyberg8t.com> 
>writes:
>>I recently started making glass beads from my scrap glass.  With a hot 
>>head torch and mapp gas with a few stainless steel mandrels and a 
>>releasing agent, you can make some very pretty beads. (Under $50) I 
>>decided to step up the heat so I have a propane oxygen torch and I am 
>>having a ball making beads as well as working on glass projects.  Let 
>>me
>>know if anyone wants more details. Carolyn 
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 >Hi fellow Bungians!  Would anybody happen to know where I can find a small
(8" x
>10") pattern of a Jack Russell terrier and also the same size pattern of an
African
>violet?
>
>Appreciate any help....
>
>Steph ~
>---

Steph,

Try going to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com and using the pattern search
engine.  If you don't find exactly check back often, we're continually
updating the database.

Good luck,
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You have to work with tools I guess.

SusieHUs@aol.com wrote:

> I missed the joke somehow.  Could someone please clue in the clueless
> one?
>  (blush, blush!)
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>Verbal Kint wrote:
>> > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!! DO
>> > >NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
>> > >or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
>> > >computer components and render them useless. 
>
>This scare has been originating from AOL for years! I wouldn't lend it
>any validity by forwarding. If people know anything about computers they
>know you CANNOT get a virus by opening up mail. If you download an
>attached file that is some type of executable program, you could be in
>trouble...according to the experts the virus has not yet been created
>that can be placed in a text/mail file.

I ask you, have you ever heard of or encountered what we in the
'computer nerds club' term an "ANSI BOMB"?  I also would like to note,
just for the record that SOME e-mail delivery systems are configured to
load e-mail directly to a special directory on a user's hard drive for
reading/deletion/etc., without their even realizing it has been done. 
In a case like that it woiuld not be inconceivable at all for an "ansi
bomb" to be disasterously effective.

V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.

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Josh,
	Have you had any luck? If not contact me I think I have a couple of
patterns.

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> From: Josh Balloch <Balloch@netbridge.net>
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> Subject: flapper patterns
> Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 7:59 PM
> 
> A friend of mine is looking for flapper patterns, you know ladies of the
> 1920's.Any suggestions.
> Thanks Shirley B.  at Balloch@netbridge.net
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MBellonci@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks, Melissa, at least now I have a name for the chalky white stuff
> on my
> stained glass, but what do I do for it, maybe rub on some vitamin
> E???   :)
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   I think that Dwight Jones answered your question the best.  You can
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VALERIE PHELPS wrote:

> >Verbal Kint wrote:
> >> > >There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!!
> DO
> >> > >NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says:
> "Returned
> >> > >or Unable to Deliver" .  The virus will attach itself to your
> >> > >computer components and render them useless.
> >
> >This scare has been originating from AOL for years! I wouldn't lend
> it
> >any validity by forwarding. If people know anything about computers
> they
> >know you CANNOT get a virus by opening up mail. If you download an
> >attached file that is some type of executable program, you could be
> in
> >trouble...according to the experts the virus has not yet been created
>
> >that can be placed in a text/mail file.
>
> I ask you, have you ever heard of or encountered what we in the
> 'computer nerds club' term an "ANSI BOMB"?  I also would like to note,
>
> just for the record that SOME e-mail delivery systems are configured
> to
> load e-mail directly to a special directory on a user's hard drive for
>
> reading/deletion/etc., without their even realizing it has been done.
> In a case like that it woiuld not be inconceivable at all for an "ansi
>
> bomb" to be disasterously effective.
>
> V T Phelps
> Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
>
> >______________________________________________________________
> >LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: artist@busprod.com
> >
> >ART WITH ATTITUDE  Stained Glass Design
> >"unique creations in stained glass"
> ><http://www.art-with-attitude.com/glass/artglass.html>
> >
> >OVER THE RAINBOW Web Design & Consulting
> >"take a look at some of our client's pages!"
> ><http://www.art-with-attitude.com/rainbow.html>
>
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That's what I was wondering.

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Carolyn Duncan wrote:

>  You need a Hot Head torch that burns Mapp gas.

            What is Hot Head torch that burns Mapp gas?  Also, you know
the guys that make the figurines out of clear glass.  When MGM was in
Reno ( it's now the Hilton ) They had a shop in the basement that sold
only this kind of work, Cinderella's Coach was fantastic!.  I was doing
a window with little daisy's in it and couldn't find different sized
glass globs for the centers so I tried an Oxyacetylene torch ( I'd never
know how to spell this without help from Leestat's tool joke) I got
black marks through out the globs but it worked perfect for making the
globs.  I asked the guy who was making this type of stuff what I could
do about this problem and what kind of torch he had.  He said an Oxygen
and Butane torch, it doesn't make carbon deposits in the glass.  I
wonder if this is what MAPP is, is it?
Melissa

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> I ask you, have you ever heard of or encountered what we in the
> 'computer nerds club' term an "ANSI BOMB"? ...
> In a case like that it woiuld not be inconceivable at all for an "ansi
> bomb" to be disasterously effective.

Not true.  Totally and absolutely untrue. Rest assured that it can't 
happen, everyone. ANSI is text. ASCII is text. Text can't do what you 
claim. Executable programs are something else ... not ANSI or ASCII.
The above report/alarm/red herring is false.

You have been returned to your regular programming.

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OK, after a few weeks in "Lurkville," I'm gonna make my presence 
known (having read almost the entire archives I feel like I know you 
all already!)  I'm strictly a hobbyist, but have been puttering in 
the craft for 7+ years.  

I have two questions:  (1)  Just got a flier from the Glass Craft 
Regional Conference to be held in Lake Geneva, WI Oct. 31-Nov. 2.  
Attending would be a first for me, but since it's so close, 
thought I might drive up.  Among the general session speakers are Joe 
Porcelli, Norm Dobbins, Scott Haebich and Nancy Willimon.  I was most 
interested in Haebich's topic "The Hobbyist's Guide to Creating 
Professional Quality Projects," but would appreciate comments from 
anyone who knows any of these folks....

(2)  I keep running into these little e-mail abbreviations.  Several 
I've managed to figure out (FWIW, IMHO, JMHO).  Mike S. has used WELP 
often enough that I've decided it isn't a typo, but what does it 
mean?  Is there a list of these somewhere for the uninitiated?

Love the list--keep it comin'

Kaye
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Kaye Sodt wrote:
> 
> OK, after a few weeks in "Lurkville," I'm gonna make my presence
> known (having read almost the entire archives I feel like I know you
> all already!)  I'm strictly a hobbyist, but have been puttering in
> the craft for 7+ years.
> 
> I have two questions:  (1)  Just got a flier from the Glass Craft
> Regional Conference to be held in Lake Geneva, WI Oct. 31-Nov. 2.
> Attending would be a first for me, but since it's so close,
> thought I might drive up.  Among the general session speakers are Joe
> Porcelli, Norm Dobbins, Scott Haebich and Nancy Willimon.  I was most
> interested in Haebich's topic "The Hobbyist's Guide to Creating
> Professional Quality Projects," but would appreciate comments from
> anyone who knows any of these folks....
> 
> (2)  I keep running into these little e-mail abbreviations.  Several
> I've managed to figure out (FWIW, IMHO, JMHO).  Mike S. has used WELP
> often enough that I've decided it isn't a typo, but what does it
> mean?  Is there a list of these somewhere for the uninitiated?
> 
> Love the list--keep it comin'
> 
> Kaye
> (Another "edu" taking advantage of employer resources)
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oh no not WELP again....

welp was a causual way of saying WELL. i used it alot when i was in the
BBS stage of modeming, or would that be onlining? like i would use the
other shorthands like u (you), l8r (later), and so on. most of the time
when i say WELL i wind up making a small p at the end to connect to the
other words i'm going to say. 

i try to type the way i talk, but aparently "welp" never made the cut.

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> thought I might drive up.  Among the general session speakers are Joe 
> Porcelli, Norm Dobbins, Scott Haebich and Nancy Willimon.  I was most 
> interested in Haebich's topic "The Hobbyist's Guide to Creating 
> Professional Quality Projects," but would appreciate comments from 
> anyone who knows any of these folks....

I've known the first three for years and years ... and *must have met 
Nancy at some point in my travels, but since the first three are all 
excellent, serious and (most important) *fun people who know what 
they're talking about, I'll assume that Nancy is, too.  Go ahead and 
go to Glass Craft Expo.  It was first on the scene 'way back in the 
early '70s; I think the original founders in many ways helped *found 
what is today called "the industry," since mounting a show for a 
group of people in a way confirms them as "real."

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a  few  acronyms:

>    .....   dramatic or thoughtful pause
>    AAMOF   As A Matter Of Fact
>    AFAIK   As Far As I know
>    AMAF    A Matter A Fact
>    AYCE    All You Can Eat.
>    BAM     By All Means
>    <BG>    Big Grin
>    BOT     Back On Topic
>    BTW     By The Way
>    BWTH    But What The Hell
>    CRS     Can't Remember S.... tuff
>    cyl8r   See Ya Later
>    EMFBI   Excuse Me For Butting In
>    EMFSS   excuse Me For Sounding Stupid
>    FWIW    For What It's Worth
>    FYEO    For Your Eyes Only
>    FYI     For Your Information
>    <g>     little grin
>    G,D&R   Grinning, Ducking and Running
>    IMHO    In My Humble Opinion
>    IRL     In Real Life
>    IMWTK   Inquiring Minds Want To Know
>    IOW     In Other Words
>    JK      Just Kidding
>    KISS    Keep It Simple, Stupid
>    LMAO    Laughing My Ass Off
>    LOL     Laughing Out Loud
>    MOF     Matter Of Fact
>    OTOH    On The Other Hand
>    PITA    Pain In The Ass
>    PMFJI   Pardon Me For Jumping In
>    ROF     Rolling On The Floor
>    ROFL    Rolling On The Floor Laughing
>    SOW     Speaking Of Which
>    TTTT    To Tell The Truth
>    ttyl    Talk To Ya Later
>    UFO's   UnFinished Objects
>    <VBEG>  Very Big Evil Grin
>    YMMV    Your Mileage May Vary
>
=========================
M.-J. wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure what the abbreviations are called, other than acronyms ...
> which is what they are called IRL (in real life) as well as on line. ;0
> 
> The smiley faces and variations are called 'emoticons', a neologism coined
> on line, I think. :D
> 
> There *are* lists of them on line. A nice page of links to several lists > and even a bit of history can be found at:
> 
> http://www.sandybay.com:80/pc-web/smiley.htm
> 
> and more:
> 
> http://gene.fwi.uva.nl:80/~ketel/Misc/emoticon.html
> 
> And since Valentine's is not far away, one might want to send a dozen red
> @}>------------ (s) to one's sweetest.
> ;)
> 
> M.-J.
> 
> PS ... And while this has little to do with glass, perhaps, it does have to
> do with *communicating* about any topic. (The asterisks, BTW, indicate
> emphasis, in lieu of a boldface, italics or underline format which can't be
> made in (older versions of) email and chat software.
> 
> At 07:10 PM 2/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>  Excuse me Howard, can you tell me what  "IMHO" means?  Thanks.
> >
> >
> >IMHO = in my humble opinion.
> >BTW = by the way.
> >:-}  = smile
> >;-}  = wink and a smile
> >
> >etc. etc. etc.
> >
> >Isn't there a name for these abbreviations and a listing somewhere? They
> >can get pretty obscure.
> >
> >Hilary
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Melissa
Mapp gas comes in a disposable tank like propane that can be purchased
at Home Improvement store and maybe welding shops.  It burns hotter and
cleaner than propane alone.  The type of work you saw is probably pyrex
glass that requires a hot temperature to melt, a hot head would not
work.  Your can make glass blobs in a kiln by using pieces of glass and
bringing them to a slumping point and gradual cool down.  I will try to
make one with a torch but I think the heating might be uneven which
would cause breakage.  If you decide to make beads it is best once you
apply the  glass to the mandrel you should rotate the mandrel just below
the flame which allow the glass to remain in the flame.  If the bead
release inside the glass cracks you must break the glass to get it off. 
Let me know if anyone tries this and I will be glad to give further
help.
Carolyn
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Lori S. Stine & Associates wrote:
> 
> I just got my site up.  Check out my stained and beveled glass artwork
> at http://www.diac.com/~stine/page0.htm
> 
> Please add a text link to your page.  The text could read:
> 
> "Mark Stine - Colorado" (the preceding would be the text link) For over
> three decades, Mark Stine has created many wonderful artworks in stained
> glass and beveled glass.  He has won numerous prizes for his precision
> craftsmanship and his innovative approach to design.  His website
> displays many fine examples of his work.
> 
> Thank you.  -- Mark Stine
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Carolyn Duncan wrote:

> Melissa
> Mapp gas comes in a disposable tank like propane that can be purchased
>
> at Home Improvement store and maybe welding shops.  It burns hotter
> and
> cleaner than propane alone.  The type of work you saw is probably
> pyrex
> glass that requires a hot temperature to melt, a hot head would not
> work.  Your can make glass blobs in a kiln by using pieces of glass
> and
> bringing them to a slumping point and gradual cool down.  I will try
> to
> make one with a torch but I think the heating might be uneven which
> would cause breakage.  If you decide to make beads it is best once you
>
> apply the  glass to the mandrel you should rotate the mandrel just
> below
> the flame which allow the glass to remain in the flame.  If the bead
> release inside the glass cracks you must break the glass to get it
> off.
> Let me know if anyone tries this and I will be glad to give further
> help.
> Carolyn

Thanks for the info Carolyn.  Nice name, it was my Mom's name.
Melissa

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Wow, check out this particular piece called Concentric Circles-

http://www.diac.com/~stine/page4.htm

Talk about precision glass cutting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Knocked me over.

Lee Boe
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Carolyn Duncan wrote:

> Melissa
> Mapp gas comes in a disposable tank like propane that can be purchased
>
> at Home Improvement store and maybe welding shops.  It burns hotter
> and
> cleaner than propane alone.  The type of work you saw is probably
> pyrex
> glass that requires a hot temperature to melt, a hot head would not
> work.  Your can make glass blobs in a kiln by using pieces of glass
> and
> bringing them to a slumping point and gradual cool down.  I will try
> to
> make one with a torch but I think the heating might be uneven which
> would cause breakage.  If you decide to make beads it is best once you
>
> apply the  glass to the mandrel you should rotate the mandrel just
> below
> the flame which allow the glass to remain in the flame.  If the bead
> release inside the glass cracks you must break the glass to get it
> off.
> Let me know if anyone tries this and I will be glad to give further
> help.
> Carolyn

Thanks for the info Carolyn.  Nice name, it was my Mom's name.
Melissa

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Message text written by "Kaye Sodt"
>Joe =

Porcelli<

Joe is probably THE leading "Tiffany" lamp makers in the world today.  Hi=
s
stuff is awesome.  His book, "The Lampmaking Handbook" is the Bible of
lampmaking.  I use it all the time for my original lampshades.  If you ar=
e
at all interested in making a lampshade, then Joe's the man for you.
Christie A. Wood
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Message text written by "M. Savad"
>i try to type the way i talk, but aparently "welp" never made the cut.
<

Mike - Keep on "Welping"!  I use it all the time.  Just part of growing u=
p
in the South, along with "yall".

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Carolyn wrote,
>
<<.  If you decide to make beads it is best once you
>apply the  glass to the mandrel you should rotate the mandrel just below
>the flame which allow the glass to remain in the flame.  If the bead
>release inside the glass cracks you must break the glass to get it off. 
>Let me know if anyone tries this and I will be glad to give further>>

Don't forget the bead release..............or you will never get your work
off the mandrel.  Also
even the smallest beads need to be annealed.  So all the time you take
making them isn't wasted.

And pleezzzz don't forget to wear your uv specs.  This is not something to
take lightly.

Have fun.
my best,
pj

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Have, what is probably a really dumb question, but am just curious. Why
are the classes so much more expensive for the Wisconsin to-do, than
they were for the Baltimore show? Because it's sponsored by LV
Management as opposed to the AGSA? 
Carolyn
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> Have, what is probably a really dumb question, but am just curious. Why
> are the classes so much more expensive for the Wisconsin to-do, than
> they were for the Baltimore show? Because it's sponsored by LV
> Management as opposed to the AGSA? 

For a while a few years ago, I ran the show, lined up the speakers, 
envisioned topics and found people expert enough to do what was 
needful and helpful.  And one thing that might make a difference in 
the overall *cost of running that show, as opposed to the AGSA show, 
is that (at least in my case) I saw to it that the speakers and 
presenters were paid equal to their professionalism and experience 
... as much as $1,000/day, but usually about $500 per workshop ... 
plus airfare and hotel.

Perhaps the current management does things the same way, but I've 
heard (and again, I don't know for sure) that AGSA pays very little, 
if anything.  And of course they get any nonprofit rate from 
convention centers, etc., if those exist. As far as I know (gee, I 
don't know *much for sure, do I?), Las Vegas Management is a 
for-profit company.

I think the question I'd ask is, "Is what this workshop costs 
compared with what I'll learn and be able to translate into better 
designs, more profitable studio management, or whatever a pretty 
equal trade?"  Or you could ask ... and you should ask yourself this 
about any educational experience ... "What would it cost me to travel 
to each of the presenters' home studios and learn from them 
personally?"

And of course Uncle Sam helps out by letting those of you who are 
running for-profit studios write off such educational costs.

Albert
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i'm not sure if this got through the first time, but are we or are we
not wearing bungi cords to the expo? i don't want to "feel the fool" by
wearing one.


---Mike Savad

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for anyone intrested, i just update the picture of myself on the bio
page. it's a litle bigger, less edited, and is the most up to date one
of me. where as the other one was a few years old. so for the people
going to glass visions, and want to get a better pre-look of what i look
like, it's up now....

---Mike Savad

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Actually,  I maight carry one with me - and if anyone else is brave
enuff to wear it, I will too. Anyway, who all is going? Oops, better
make my reservation for a hotel.

M. Savad wrote:
> 
> i'm not sure if this got through the first time, but are we or are we
> not wearing bungi cords to the expo? i don't want to "feel the fool" by
> wearing one.
> 
> ---Mike Savad
>
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Verbal Kint wrote:
> 
> Actually,  I maight carry one with me - and if anyone else is brave
> enuff to wear it, I will too. Anyway, who all is going? Oops, better
> make my reservation for a hotel.
> 
> M. Savad wrote:
> >
> > i'm not sure if this got through the first time, but are we or are we
> > not wearing bungi cords to the expo? i don't want to "feel the fool" by
> > wearing one.
> >
> > ---Mike Savad
> >
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well, i'll be going, i'll probably put the cord (maybe small), on my
bag; so i don't choke myself to death.

---Mike Savad

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Greetings from Panama!
       I'm new here.  Just finished browsing all of the archives.  A while
back someone mentioned being able to buy the Taurus Ring Saw from a company
called Pacific for $300.00.  Does anyone have an address for them?
          Lisa Carroll
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Hey I wore my bungi around my wrist at the Robert Oddy presentation....just
be careful which way the hooks hook.....
See ya at Warners
Maureen
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I'm going on Sunday afternoon, to run the IGGA booth for awhile and then =
to
smooze with everyone and purchase stuff.  See ya there.  I'll wear my bun=
gi
cord.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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The Carroll's wrote:
> 
> Greetings from Panama!
>        I'm new here.  Just finished browsing all of the archives.  A while
> back someone mentioned being able to buy the Taurus Ring Saw from a company
> called Pacific for $300.00.  Does anyone have an address for them?
>           Lisa Carroll
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i'm not sure if it's still for sale but hee the info:

pacific glass
(310) 516-7828
(800) 35-GLASS (354-5277)
125 W 157th st
Gardena, CA 90248

hours M-F 8-4 --- sat 9-1

---Mike Savad

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Mike,]
   Thanks for the info.  Well, I'm off to the craft shop to do some
grinding.  My new grinder will be delivered to Texas in October when I move
to the Ft. Hood area.
                Lisa Carroll

----------
> From: M. Savad <morn@nac.net>
> To: glass@bungi.com
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> Date: Sunday, August 10, 1997 1:59 PM
> 
> The Carroll's wrote:
> > 
> > Greetings from Panama!
> >        I'm new here.  Just finished browsing all of the archives.  A
while
> > back someone mentioned being able to buy the Taurus Ring Saw from a
company
> > called Pacific for $300.00.  Does anyone have an address for them?
> >           Lisa Carroll
> > ----
> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com
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> 
> 
> i'm not sure if it's still for sale but hee the info:
> 
> pacific glass
> (310) 516-7828
> (800) 35-GLASS (354-5277)
> 125 W 157th st
> Gardena, CA 90248
> 
> hours M-F 8-4 --- sat 9-1
> 
> ---Mike Savad
> 
> -- 
> Mike's Stained Glass
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141
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> Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain
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Hi Mike,

Just cruised your revised site, great educational experience.  Read your
bio and realized you have interest in Metal working too.  So for you,
and any other members who are curious, here is the welcome page of the 
ArtMetal Village.  Soon to have a searchable database of the information
archives and the ArtMetal formum.  Found some glass there too.
  
http://www.artmetal.com/village/welcome/index.html

Enjoy, it is a very well organized site, similar to the great work
Albert has done for all of us with the IGGA site-Thanks again Albert.

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations
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Hi, everyone

I been a lurker for a while, and really appreciate all the great advice and
information this group provides me.

I've got two young children that love to watch me (from a distance and with
goggles on) work with glass.  I've been trying to think of ways to get them
more involved in glass.  I've seen these great looking glass mozaic jugs that
are made with black grout.  What I dont know is what they use for a form.
 These jugs a fairly round with a small spout at the top, how would they get
the form out after the glass has been grouted in.  Any insight on how they
make these things would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Alex Gacic

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The Carroll's wrote:
> 
> Mike,]
>    Thanks for the info.  Well, I'm off to the craft shop to do some
> grinding.  My new grinder will be delivered to Texas in October when I move
> to the Ft. Hood area.
>                 Lisa Carroll
> 
> ----------
> > From: M. Savad <morn@nac.net>
> > To: glass@bungi.com
> > Subject: Re: Taurus II
> > Date: Sunday, August 10, 1997 1:59 PM
> >
> > The Carroll's wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings from Panama!
> > >        I'm new here.  Just finished browsing all of the archives.  A
> while
> > > back someone mentioned being able to buy the Taurus Ring Saw from a
> company
> > > called Pacific for $300.00.  Does anyone have an address for them?
> > >           Lisa Carroll
> > > ----
> > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com
> > > To send to the list,      please mail to: glass@bungi.com
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> >
> >
> > i'm not sure if it's still for sale but hee the info:
> >
> > pacific glass
> > (310) 516-7828
> > (800) 35-GLASS (354-5277)
> > 125 W 157th st
> > Gardena, CA 90248
> >
> > hours M-F 8-4 --- sat 9-1
> >
> > ---Mike Savad
> >
> > --
> > Mike's Stained Glass
> > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141
> >  New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making
> > Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain
> > Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project,
> > Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME.
> > ----
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hey that's neat, i was born in ft. hood. and it's just as well that your
getting it in october, because that's when he ups strike will probably
end anyway...

---Mike Savad

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Albert:
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Although I'm still
somewhat confused. I agree that the educational experience is priceless
in alot of cases. However, the class I took at Source '97 was rather
disappointing, so I'm somewhat leery right now. 
I guess, if I understand you right, it more or less comes down to what I
had mentioned--Las Vegas Management is a for-profit organization, as
opposed to the AGSA being non-profit. 
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> I guess, if I understand you right, it more or less comes down to what I
> had mentioned--Las Vegas Management is a for-profit organization, as
> opposed to the AGSA being non-profit. 

Well, sort of. The AGSA is a nonprofit association consisting of 
manufacturers, publishers, distributors, some studios and individual 
artist/craftspeople ... all of whom are for-profit oriented.

It's kind of like the American Dairy Association, which is a 
nonprofit association of dairy people whose agenda is to promote the 
drinking of milk and the use of dairy products generally because 
increased sales benefit their pocketbooks.

Albert
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Check out Mike's updated site, www.geocities.com/Paris/1141. In 
addition to everything else the link to an online windows mag 
features some great SG this month. It is no wonder that Mike is given 
credit for recommending this artist. Such realism is hard to find in 
SG.
Bob
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If the model can cement about a dozen stained glass =

windows she might be welcome - otherwise we don't
need her.  Thanks anyway.

Best regards,

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I strongly suggest that you lose this address and never e-mail to us
again. We don't want your trash!!!!!!!!!!


On Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:51:54 -0400 98243890@aol.com writes:
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>
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     What is going on????? This is unacceptable!!!! 
     How did they get the glass@bungi.com list???
     This is trash!!!! Someone is sick.
     Suzanne shaley@mfi.com
     
     
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...and more!
     
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98243890@aol.com wrote:
> 
> FIVE FREE MINUTES of LIVE STEAMY SEX to all new members.
> 
> No Membership Fees / No Signup Fees / No obligations
> 
> Tell the model what to do and she'll do it!
> 
> Also.....
> 
> XXX Movies with sound!
> Porn Stars!
> XXX Pictures
> Live Chat!
> 
> ...and more!
> 
> Come enjoy the fun with one of the oldest, most established adult
> sites on the net!  Point your browser to:
> 
> http://sites.videofantasy.com/cgi-win/tracker.exe?2054
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Dani wrote,
>If the model can cement about a dozen stained glass =
>
>windows she might be welcome - otherwise we don't
>need her.  Thanks anyway.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer


You made my day!!!!! LOL!!!

Maybe they would be interested in apprenticing??? Or how about stained glass
rehab?
We could convert them all to stained glass artists and have our own twelve
step program.

Hmmm......na.  I just wasted to much time on that one.

Have a great day!!!!

my best,
pj

BTW....I did all of the spell check on our web site....thanks for the offer.
Now if I could just get the rest of it finished.

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Vernon wrote,

>YOU ARE NOT WELCOMED HERE!! GO AWAY!!
>----
Trouble is Vernon....................you just sent this back to bungi group.

I tried to forward all their messages but the address is undeliverable.

Guess they got us.

my best,
pj

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Subject: Re: Free Live Video!!! Ok for AOL!   -- GARBAGE ???zzz%%%!
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Suzannewrote,
>
>     What is going on????? This is unacceptable!!!! 
>     How did they get the glass@bungi.com list???
>     This is trash!!!! Someone is sick.
>     Suzanne shaley@mfi.com
>     
> Suzanne if you want the person who sent this to get your message you have
to change the receipent to daemon@aol.com...that is where it came from.

my best,
pj


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>From the description, I would guess that there is no form used in buildin=
g
the glass mosaic jugs.  Sounds like they purchased cheap glass jugs and
then just did the mosaic work and grouting on the outside of the jug.  Th=
is
is what I do with terra cotta pots.  You must be very careful to use a ha=
nd
file after the grout has completely dried, to remove any sharp edges on t=
he
glass which remains.  I use a very nice one I purchased through the mail
from Brookstones Catalog.

If you want more info, a private email to me is best.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:46:23 -0400
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Hi pj and all-

I sent an e-mail to gary@softcell.net regarding
the junk mail and so far it hasn't been returned.

I certainly don't appreciate this kind of
unsolicited mail - Glenna, aren't we supposed
to stick to the subject of Glass??  Hope we
won't have to deal with more of this stuff.

:-( regards,

Dani Greer
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Dear friends,

        I have a customer who wants to order a beveled glass door from me,
but wants a specific antique style of door handle.
        They want a handle that has an 18 inch backset  Simply put, this is
a door knob that goes exactly in the middle of the door.
        I have seen many of these in on old doors in Europe when I was over
there, but I have had no luck in locating supplier over here in the US.
        I have been told that it would require someone who manufactures
custom door handles and locksets from scratch.
        Does anyone know of someone or some company who does this kind of
work?  Perhaps someone knows of  a source in either the US or Europe for
this kind of product.  I would very much appreciate any help you can offer
me in this matter.
        Please E-Mail me privately at: studio@artisticglassusa.com

        Thank you,

                -Michael Delaware

www.artisticglassusa.com
Studio@artisticglassusa.com
Atlanta, Georgia USA
Phone: (770) 992-2900
Fax: (770) 518-8686


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My exact thoughts on the mosaic jug Christie but I had no experience with it
so wasn't sure.  

There is an article on doing something similar to this in a past Glass
Patterns Quarterly.  They glued the cut pieces of glass to a glass hurricane
globe that fits over a candle.  I've seen the glass hurricane globes at hobby
stores and at hardware stores.  I will find the issue of Glass Patterns
Quarterly and post it here.

Dione
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98243890@aol.com wrote:
> 
> FIVE FREE MINUTES of LIVE STEAMY SEX to all new members.
> 
> No Membership Fees / No Signup Fees / No obligations
> 
> Tell the model what to do and she'll do it!
> 
> Also.....
> 
> XXX Movies with sound!
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> 
> ...and more!
> 
> Come enjoy the fun with one of the oldest, most established adult
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Hi!

There is a company in Exton, Pa. named BALL & BALL.
They manufacture authentic reproduction hardware and will
also do custom stuff.  Good luck.

Marianne Warner
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        How is this trash getting through?????????????
        Suzanne

98243890@aol.com wrote:
> 
> FIVE FREE MINUTES of LIVE STEAMY SEX to all new members. 
> 
> No Membership Fees / No Signup Fees / No obligations 
> 
> Tell the model what to do and she'll do it! 
> 
> Also.....
> 
> XXX Movies with sound!
> Porn Stars!
> XXX Pictures
> Live Chat!
> 
> ...and more!
> 
> Come enjoy the fun with one of the oldest, most established adult 
> sites on the net!  Point your browser to:
> 
> http://sites.videofantasy.com/cgi-win/tracker.exe?2054 
> 
> ----
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[In the message entitled "Free Video" on Aug 11, 11:46, "Michael J. Greer" writes:]
> Hi pj and all-
> 
> I sent an e-mail to gary@softcell.net regarding
> the junk mail and so far it hasn't been returned.
> 
> I certainly don't appreciate this kind of
> unsolicited mail - Glenna, aren't we supposed
> to stick to the subject of Glass??  Hope we
> won't have to deal with more of this stuff.

I don't either....
Yes we are supposed to stick to the subject of glass...this person
is not a subscriber.  This is what spam is.  


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     How are they able (probably a silly question) to sent from 
     glass@bungi.com -- from same and bcc all of us?
     
     Suzanne
     shaley@mfi.com


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Dear Michael (Delaware) et al,

If you can send me a drawing (or something) of what you are looking 
for, will try and obtain it for you here in little ole' UK, either in 
the " "second-hand market" or new repro.
Have gathered a long, long list of things to send my US Glass@Bungi 
friends and just need that final kick up the back-side.

Summer has arrived in UK with a vengance! Because the Good Citizens 
of UK claim they never get "real" winters, they also never get "real" 
summers!!!! This last week it has been a hot, sticky and humid 35 
degr. C ( (about 90's in Fahrenheit??) 
This Viking has totally "fried brains" and has melted into one hot, 
sticky, wet "blob".
Toby, in his thick winter over-coat has more ice in HIS drinks than I 
do. Lethargy and inability to think straight is the order of the day 
over here.
Send some kind thoughts to Greg in Poland (remember him??) where they 
have the worst flooding this century; where the poorly constructed 
and maintained river banks & barriers have just collapsed and very 
large areas of the country are flooded and totally destroyed. I hope 
he is still able to "lurk" with us....
 Christie, stove-black is here ready to be posted to you. Photos from 
Chartres and many "other "goodies"  now piling up ready for despatch.

Let's just laugh about the "porn" people. ... How about inviting them 
for making designs in line with "naughty panties lady stepping 
stones" Could be quite  amusing......
PJ, I feel , has the right approach. Let's not get too heated about 
this. The weather heat is really quite hot enough!!  Insenced 
messages to Glass@Bungi just makes Glenna's work that little bit 
harder. In my recollection, this is probably the first time ever, we 
have been "infiltrated" in this manner. There must have been other 
occasions in the past, but the eagle eyes of Glenna has prevented it 
from getting any further. 
Keep cool and keep smiling,  friends!!
Elisabeth 'n Toby   (in hot 'n sticky United Kingdom)


Michel wrote:
 Dear friends,

        I have a customer who wants to order a beveled glass door from me,
but wants a specific antique style of door handle.
        They want a handle that has an 18 inch backset  Simply put, this is
a door knob that goes exactly in the middle of the door.
        I have seen many of these in on old doors in Europe when I was over
there, but I have had no luck in locating supplier over here in the US.
  
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pj friend wrote:
> 
> Vernon wrote,
> 
> >YOU ARE NOT WELCOMED HERE!! GO AWAY!!
> >----
> Trouble is Vernon....................you just sent this back to bungi group.
> 
> I tried to forward all their messages but the address is undeliverable.
> 
> Guess they got us.
> 
> my best,
> pj
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OOpps! SORRY Folks!

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somehow I am getting mail from you addressed to someone else I didn't send
you any junk mail only a request to be on your stained glass mailing list
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somehow I am getting mail you are sending to someone else 
this is about the 6th one I've gotten
I guess you got my address when I requested to be on the stained glass
mailing list
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I think I've figured out how this works I now have a question somewhere in
all my web browsing of stained glass there was a site that let you look in
pattern books to see if you might like to buy one does any one know where
that site is
deb
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Not me, but I'd like to know, too, if such a place exists!

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>I think I've figured out how this works I now have a question somewhere in
>all my web browsing of stained glass there was a site that let you look in
>pattern books to see if you might like to buy one does any one know where
>that site is
>deb




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Can anyone tell me what's on the cover of the most current issue of Glass
Patterns quarterly?  The most recent issue I have is Spring.  Either I
never received or misplaced or lent out Summer issue. Thanks
                    Lisa Carroll
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--Art Glass World Update--

New Members--

Dragonfly Software
If you're a stained glass professional or hobbyist who loves to design your own
windows, then The Glass Eye design software is the solution you have been
waiting for. With this software, you can create precise designs that are easier
to view and edit than any pencil and paper drawing. Visit for a free demo
program. 

Crystal Rainbow Glass Studio
Professional studio for custom designed stained, carved, beveled and etched
glass art for commercial and residential use. Also fully stocked retail studio
for supplies and classes. Visit this informative site to learn more about the
studio, artist Linda Abbott, classes, and view the beautiful online gallery. 

Rings & Things
Rings & Things is a wholesale mail order supplier of: beads, jewelry findings,
charms, cord, polymer clay, Austrian rainbow crystal (beads and hangings),
jewelry display items, and more. Website includes fully illustrated jewelry
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beading, metals, platings, trade shows, bead society listings, and more.
================================================================
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Suzanne I think this is like a huge chat the mail is going out to all of us
at the same time as if you were in a chat room 
it took me a few strange messages in my mail box to figure it out I say
strange becouse I was getting reponses to some junk mail that was sent here
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> somehow I am getting mail from you addressed to someone else I didn't send
> you any junk mail only a request to be on your stained glass 
mailing list

I had originally set this up to send privately but since so many 
others here are asking the same question (and despite the fact that 
Glenna's already answered it), I'll toss in this 2c worth:

None of us on the glass@bungi.com requests junk email, but if someone
sends a junk email message to this or any other  newsgroup, everyone
on the group gets it.  Unfortunately, that's the way it works: you
can't open the door to everything coming from the newsgroup without
also from time to time getting something you don't want.

Just delete it in the same way you'd toss junk snail mail into the 
garbage. <s>

Albert Lewis

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Hi,
Also, you may want to check out a book that was published about 1 year =
ago.. I believe that it might have been called Dragon Tears  (one book =
that I do not own, yet).. It consisted of glass , globs  and glue that =
you could work with the children..=20
Any suppliers, do you remember the right name.
Take care,
Gloria

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From:  AlexG2@aol.com[SMTP:AlexG2@aol.com]
Sent:  Sunday, August 10, 1997 2:11 PM
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Subject:  How do you make glass mozaic jugs?

Hi, everyone

I been a lurker for a while, and really appreciate all the great advice =
and
information this group provides me.

I've got two young children that love to watch me (from a distance and =
with
goggles on) work with glass.  I've been trying to think of ways to get =
them
more involved in glass.  I've seen these great looking glass mozaic jugs =
that
are made with black grout.  What I dont know is what they use for a =
form.
 These jugs a fairly round with a small spout at the top, how would they =
get
the form out after the glass has been grouted in.  Any insight on how =
they
make these things would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Alex Gacic

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Lisa:
The cover of the 1997 Summer Glass Patterns Quarterly magazine is a lovely
picture of a window of a fawn and daffodils.  Hope this is of some help to you
Linda>
.  At 04:30 PM 11/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what's on the cover of the most current issue of Glass
>Patterns quarterly?  The most recent issue I have is Spring.  Either I
>never received or misplaced or lent out Summer issue. Thanks
>                    Lisa Carroll
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Garry,
   Thanks for the info.  I guess I just didn't get that issue.  I'll try
e-mailing the magazine to figure out what's going on.
                Lisa Carroll

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> Subject: Re: magazine
> Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 8:00 PM
> 
> Lisa:
> The cover of the 1997 Summer Glass Patterns Quarterly magazine is a
lovely
> picture of a window of a fawn and daffodils.  Hope this is of some help
to you
> Linda>
> .  At 04:30 PM 11/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me what's on the cover of the most current issue of
Glass
> >Patterns quarterly?  The most recent issue I have is Spring.  Either I
> >never received or misplaced or lent out Summer issue. Thanks
> >                    Lisa Carroll
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>   
>  LINDA'S HOBBY STAINED GLASS
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 Deb,

The site that you can look up patterns is http://www.stainedglassbiz.com 

Enjoy.

Pete


>I think I've figured out how this works I now have a question somewhere in
>all my web browsing of stained glass there was a site that let you look in
>pattern books to see if you might like to buy one does any one know where
>that site is
>deb


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thanks for the help, pete
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A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash
when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes
errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as
sophisticated as I get) - 

Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email
from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages
awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must
not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol

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Carol... 

	I had a similar problem, I was able to download the messages via a pop
server account to my other e-mail address at hotmail (an e-mail server) 
<www.hotmail.com>
Accounts here are free. 
For some reason it worked there, and then I could delete, and forward the
messages I wanted to keep to my regular email account.

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> From: Carol Rochnowski <croch@wiredweb.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Help!
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 3:42 PM
> 
> A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to
crash
> when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes
> errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as
> sophisticated as I get) - 
> 
> Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my
email
> from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages
> awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I
must
> not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
> 
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     We had the same experience.  We rebooted and deleted message from the 
     inbox.  Did not try to reopen again  I understand you can have this 
     problem with the Internet anytime...does not mean it was Mike's 
     message.  Maybe someone else can explain in "English".
     Suzanne


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A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash 
when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes 
errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as 
sophisticated as I get) - 
     
Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email 
from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages 
awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must 
not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
     
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Another option would be to try using another mail client.  I find the 
dedicated clients (as opposed to a browser which seem to be trying to be 
all things to all people; http, ftp, smtp, nntp, etc.) like Eudora, for 
mail, work well.  You can get Eudora lite for no cash from the Qualcomm 
website.

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Suzanne Haley wrote:

> 
>      We had the same experience.  We rebooted and deleted message from the 
>      inbox.  Did not try to reopen again  I understand you can have this 
>      problem with the Internet anytime...does not mean it was Mike's 
>      message.  Maybe someone else can explain in "English".
>      Suzanne
> 
> 
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> Date:    8/12/97 8:42 AM
> 
> 
> A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash 
> when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes 
> errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as 
> sophisticated as I get) - 
>      
> Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email 
> from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages 
> awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must 
> not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
>      
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Carol, 

I have had no problems, running Netscape 3.01 Haven't installed
Communicator 4.0  Could be one of the IE bugs??  

Lee

Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> 
> A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash
> when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes
> errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as
> sophisticated as I get) -
> 
> Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email
> from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages
> awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must
> not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
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Lee,
	I have both MSIE, and Netscape on the computer, and use each with email,
one for personal, and one for school/work, I tried to download the messages
into each, and "no go" my only luck was with an external e-mail account
(like hotmail). I wonder if you are even getting these messages Carol? I
sympathize with the frustration!

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> 
> Carol, 
> 
> I have had no problems, running Netscape 3.01 Haven't installed
> Communicator 4.0  Could be one of the IE bugs??  
> 
> Lee
> 
> Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> > 
> > A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to
crash
> > when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It
causes
> > errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as
> > sophisticated as I get) -
> > 
> > Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my
email
> > from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188
messages
> > awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I
must
> > not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
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Is the problem when you are downloading the headers, or when you are
actually open the mail? If you have all the headers, and it fails on the
open (double click, or 'Next' on the list), you can go to the
directory/folder that your browser resides in and look for a
subdirectory/folder named 'Mail' or 'Holdmail' or some such. There
should be a 'Mail.txt' or 'Mail.mmf' or something. There are too many
variations to give you an exact name. OPEN the file with whatever editor
you have, i.e. NOTEPAD or WORDPAD for Windows users. You can then scroll
down to the offending message and DELETE that part of the file using a
block command, or holding down the DELETE key. You should delete the
whole message, including the HEADER information for that message. Header
info lists to/from and sending/receiving server information. Each
message should have a header, and if you delete from the start of Mike's
offending header, to the next header, your prblem should go away. SAVE
the Mail file, close Note/WordPAD, launch your reader again, and you
should be OK. If this doesn't work, email me and I'll try to help.


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 Hi all,

We've been racking our brains over here at Stained Glass Biz trying to come
up with some new ideas.  We've got a couple of top secret ideas that we're
working on (hopefully will bring them to you soon!), but we need some input
on one of them.

What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.
Basically, the idea is to get the buyer and seller together.  There wouldn't
be any charge for listings, the idea is to help get people the equipment
they need.

The question we're asking is whether or not this is something you would use
from both standpoints, to sell and to buy equipment.

BTW, thanks for all the compliments on our site.  We've received an amazing
response for the first week and we're looking forward to hearing more from
you.

Thanks
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> I have had no problems, running Netscape 3.01 Haven't installed
> Communicator 4.0  Could be one of the IE bugs??

IE's got bugs!? <g>  Personally, I dump the sucker from my system 
everytime it's offered (which is often, given MS's "relationship" 
with so many software publishers and hardware providers) because it 
has historically caused big problems for me.

I'm running NS 3.01 (with the latest patch) *and Communicator 4.0 and 
they're both swell for different reasons.  Stuff looks better under 
4.0, but since I design web sites, I find that 3.01/02 has easier 
access to files on the box.  

Enuf about that.

Albert
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> What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
> you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.

EXcellent idea.

Albert
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  > What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
  > you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.


  
    I believe this is an excellent idea as well.  

    Lucille

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leestat7 wrote:
> 
> Carol,
> 
> I have had no problems, running Netscape 3.01 Haven't installed
> Communicator 4.0  Could be one of the IE bugs??
> 
> Lee
> 
> Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> >
> > A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash
> > when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes
> > errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as
> > sophisticated as I get) -
> >
> > Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email
> > from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages
> > awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must
> > not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
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does anyone know what the message was by any chance. so far my machine
has'nt crashed do to that. since everything from bungi, gets to me
anyway. i checked my date, it seems ok, i know we've had problems with
crashing and dates...


---Mike Savad

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the only thing I would worry about with this is do we trust each other
 enough to do this or will you be the middle man to keep us all honest?  
sorry to be so negative but there are so many swindlers out there sometimes
you can't trust any one
on the flip side probably the only ones using this area are stained glass
people and of course we are all good people
deb
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> What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
> you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.
> Basically, the idea is to get the buyer and seller together.  There wouldn't
> be any charge for listings, the idea is to help get people the equipment
> they need.

I think it's a great idea! I think we all buy things that we can do
without...certain tool, etc... Or we upgrade and have something sitting
around that we no longer use, but that someone else might get a great
deal of use out of.

How about old pattern books too?
LJ 
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Dear Deb,
Some of us sweat our guts out to pass on an idea, a knowledge and an 
ancient craft as honestly and as positively as the inner core of our 
souls possibly can.  Sure, there is room for cynicism and scepticism. 
At the end of the day, only YOU can decide who is sincere and honest.

Perhaps "lurk" a bit more to get the measure of the people you are 
dealing with. I can tell you for one thing, and with a remarkable 
personal, first-hand experience!!;  The people at Glass@Bungi people 
I myself have dealt with, the people I have crossed swords with and 
the people I have had the fabulous fortune to meet in person and  
welcome in my own home, thousands of miles away from where you are, 
have become trusted friends, colleagues and "teachers" for life.
Yes, there are rip-off merchants about. Plenty of them too....
But the "essence" and core of everybody I have yet come across at 
Glass@Bungi is a sincere, searching, learning and giving stained 
glass beginner/learner/hobbyist/ semi-professional/ professional.

We tease, we joke, we argue and sometimes it's not "quite strictly 
stained glass".You will ALWAYS get a sincere and honest answer.
It's an answer always designed to inform and to help. (Sometimes to 
tease.....    ;-)    ) That has always been the ethos of this Group; 
by the personalities involved, I believe it always will be.
Trust in that - because I do.
Elisabeth 'n Toby  ( in the United Kingdom)
.... for what my 2 cents are worth....

Deb wrote:
the only thing I would worry about with this is do we trust each 
other enough to do this or will you be the middle man to keep us all 
honest?  sorry to be so negative but there are so many swindlers out 
there sometimes you can't trust any one
on the flip side probably the only ones using this area are stained glass
people and of course we are all good people
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Hi Pete,
I think your proposal is not only an excellent idea, but really quite 
fabulous!!
How I wish it could be extended to Europe.... (sigh...)
Elisabeth 'n Toby


Pete wrote:
We've been racking our brains over here at Stained Glass Biz trying to come
up with some new ideas.  We've got a couple of top secret ideas that we're
working on (hopefully will bring them to you soon!), but we need some input
on one of them.

What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.
Basically, the idea is to get the buyer and seller together.  There wouldn't
be any charge for listings, the idea is to help get people the equipment
they need.

The question we're asking is whether or not this is something you would use
from both standpoints, to sell and to buy equipment.

BTW, thanks for all the compliments on our site.  We've received an amazing
response for the first week and we're looking forward to hearing more from
you.


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Mike and others,
A couple of weeks ago, there was a major item over here on BBC News 
about some "hackers" screwing up Internet and e-mail systems in the 
USA. It caused a temporary major "glitch" globally. Even here in UK 
it resulted in that e-mails never reached their destinations and so 
on.  I wonder if the problems experienced by many of you may be as a 
result of this, albeit 10-14 days later..  I had minor problems 
myself 2-3 days afterwards. Maybe - just maybe, it's still 
reverberating around the system somehow. Perhaps we all could just 
allow dust to settle a bit and THEN see.

Elisabeth 'n Toby

Mike wrote:
 does anyone know what the 
message was by any chance. so far my machine has'nt crashed do to 
that. since everything from bungi, gets to me anyway. i checked my 
date, it seems ok, i know we've had problems with crashing and 
dates...


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Pete Mitchell wrote:
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
> We've been racking our brains over here at Stained Glass Biz trying to come
> up with some new ideas.  We've got a couple of top secret ideas that we're
> working on (hopefully will bring them to you soon!), but we need some input
> on one of them.
> 
> What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
> you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.

Excellent idea-especially for upgrades.

Lee boe
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I would suggest just doing it at the end users own risk.  I've never had 
a transaction originated on the net with an individual go bad.  If any 
did I would have to write it off as being the chance I took.  Not really 
any need to drag a middle man into it.  Just my HO.

Sean

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 DMR74@aol.com wrote:

> the only thing I would worry about with this is do we trust each other
>  enough to do this or will you be the middle man to keep us all honest?  
> sorry to be so negative but there are so many swindlers out there sometimes
> you can't trust any one
> on the flip side probably the only ones using this area are stained glass
> people and of course we are all good people
> deb
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Mike - thanks for checking!  It was my server - not you or bungi (even tho
it "looked" like you) sorry!  carol

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> From: M. Savad <morn@nac.net>
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> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 2:24 PM
> 
> leestat7 wrote:
> > 
> > Carol,
> > 
> > I have had no problems, running Netscape 3.01 Haven't installed
> > Communicator 4.0  Could be one of the IE bugs??
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> > Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> > >
> > > A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to
crash
> > > when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It
causes
> > > errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about
as
> > > sophisticated as I get) -
> > >
> > > Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my
email
> > > from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188
messages
> > > awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I
must
> > > not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
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> 
> does anyone know what the message was by any chance. so far my machine
> has'nt crashed do to that. since everything from bungi, gets to me
> anyway. i checked my date, it seems ok, i know we've had problems with
> crashing and dates...
> 
> 
> ---Mike Savad
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I'll wear abungi cord...so you're going to be there, hunh, mike?
(just had too much fun over the long weekend.  Can't type and haven't
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> I would suggest just doing it at the end users own risk.  I've never had 
> a transaction originated on the net with an individual go bad.  If any 
> did I would have to write it off as being the chance I took.  Not really 
> any need to drag a middle man into it.  Just my HO.

I had the impression that Pete was merely offering to provide a 
bulletin board for people (all of us here and any other like sorts) 
to post items wanted and items available.  That sounds like a good 
service that, while we *could do all of that here, he's merely 
offering a formalized version of what would otherwise be hit or miss.

Plus this forum wouldn't be "cluttered up" with items wanted or 
available. <s>  We could just *go there if we were interested.

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Since we are unmoderated, this kind of junk is occasionally going to
show up...however since you cantell the model what to do, maybe
she will cement those windows.  Sigh.

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Great idea for the exchange of,  or buy,  or sell, of used equipment.  I'm
sure many SG people would take advantage of this opportunity if it were
offered.
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Neat idea - The Trading Bungipost - Wish I thought of it.
Bubstah

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If you could attend any college with a glass school, which would it be?
 Asked another way, which schools have great reputations?  and why?  Thanks.
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I'm posting this note on behalf of my wife Debbie Ballog.  We're
members of the IGGA (Glass by D.K.Ballog), and I've been a steady lurker on
the bungi list-serve. Debbie is a hot glass artist (primarily with kiln
formed glass), and she's about to move from work in the home studio to
teaching. 

Debbie is negotiating with the owner of a stained glass studio who wants to
expand (in a tentative sort of way) into hot glass. Debbie will provide the
kiln for the class (and sell it to the studio owner at a discount if she
wants), provide the glass and training materials and teach the class. We're
going to ask the studio owner to provide space in her shop, do the
promotion and provide a few incidental supplies. There will be 4 to 6
students.

This is the first time Debbie has done anything like this, and we're not
sure what kind of split-up of the "tuition" is standard. We are really at a
loss about this. We would appreciate any comments or suggestions you can
offer about this.

Thanks

Mike Hinckley and Debbie Ballog 

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I like the old pattern books idea 
deb
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Elisabeth 'n Toby  ( in the United Kingdom)
I loved your response, it is nice to have that 'feel good' attitude, and
you've made me feel good  about all the glass people out there Thank you
deb
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Hi all,

First let me thank all of you for the great response I got about setting up
an online trading post.

Next let me introduce the Stained Glass Biz Trading post, where you can buy
and sell used stained glass equipment.  Click on the Trading Post link at
http://www.stainedglassbiz.com to get there.

As always, if you have any other suggestions or feedback to offer, please
let us know.

Thanks and enjoy,
Pete


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Hi,

Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the
past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to
stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).

I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room
divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about
where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass
part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate student
so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  

If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has
advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  

Thanks, Amy     



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At , you wrote:
>
>  > What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
>  > you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.


Wonderfull - go for it  Meg
Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
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Monteverde, Puntarenas
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By all means!!!!  I did this  and I am a Eudora convert,.............it is
wonderfull.....as soon as I have a $100 dollars extra I will by their Eudora
Pro version...  Meg

At 09:51 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Another option would be to try using another mail client.  I find the 
>dedicated clients (as opposed to a browser which seem to be trying to be 
>all things to all people; http, ftp, smtp, nntp, etc.) like Eudora, for 
>mail, work well.  You can get Eudora lite for no cash from the Qualcomm 
>website.
>
>On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Suzanne Haley wrote:
>
>> 
>>      We had the same experience.  We rebooted and deleted message from the 
>>      inbox.  Did not try to reopen again  I understand you can have this 
>>      problem with the Internet anytime...does not mean it was Mike's 
>>      message.  Maybe someone else can explain in "English".
>>      Suzanne
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>> Subject: Help!
>> Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
>> Date:    8/12/97 8:42 AM
>> 
>> 
>> A message apparently from Mike Savad has caused both my computers to crash 
>> when downloading mail.  Please tell me I am not alone in this!  It causes 
>> errors in Internet Explorer in the mail.dll section.  (that's about as 
>> sophisticated as I get) - 
>>      
>> Can you please delete the message from your server(?) so I can get my email 
>> from everyone else, too?  This is quite serious - as I have 188 messages 
>> awaiting me and can not get any past this one from M Savad.  I know I must 
>> not be alone in this!  Please please help!  thanks carol
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'Amy Lansing has written'
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the
> past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to
> stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
> 
> I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room
> divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about
> where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass
> part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate student
> so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
> 
> If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has
> advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
> 
> Thanks, Amy     
> 
> 
> 
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well, i went to a cabinetmaker guy i knew and he made me an oak door frame for
about $100 when i did an interior door for my house. it shouldn't be too
expensive to make up a set of shorter frames. i've seen door frames that
come with glass inserts at places like home depot, however, 3 of them would
probably cost as much as getting custom ones done and they'd be 7' high.

try going to a hardwood lumber store (look in yellow pages, not a big
hardware or lumber yard, but stores that sell to wood craftspersons) and
ask around. i bet you could find someone to make you some frames
inexpensively, or even trade them glass work for it.

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Charles Spitzer
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Phoenix, AZ
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Sounds like a great idea to me!
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Amy,

Oak room dividers are manufactured by Northern Hardwoods and aren't
completely finished.  As I recall, you simply assemble the panels and then
stain and varnish them. 

Also, not long ago, I ran across an add in "Stained Glass" magazine that
mentioned as site for Bob Tuff Fine Woodworking.  You can find his site at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~bobtuff/

If you wanted to make your own, I imagine that you could use oak framing
stock and make one yourself.  What comes to mind is cutting 2 longer pieces
for the sides that would extend past the bottom edge of your panels and
serve as legs.  The top edge of these pieces could be mitered at a 45-degree
angle to fit with the top piece, which would also be mitered on each.  The
bottom piece could fit flush with with the two sides.  The 3 panels could be
hinged together.

Good Luck with your search!
Stephanie

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I too like your site and am looking forward to MORE, MORE!
Speaking for myself...I am often confused with the different types of
glass available.  You know, can't assiciate a look with a name.  If you
could put a picture of the different types up it would be very helpful
to me and hopefully others.  I don't mean the thousands of colors
available, just the types.  

If I want to know what Spectrum is or Glue chip...I could bring it up on
your site and see a sampling.  Whaddya think?
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Toby wrote:
> 
> Dear Deb,
> Some of us sweat our guts out to pass on an idea, a knowledge and an
> ancient craft as honestly and as positively as the inner core of our
> souls possibly can.  Sure, there is room for cynicism and scepticism.
> At the end of the day, only YOU can decide who is sincere and honest.
> 
> Perhaps "lurk" a bit more to get the measure of the people you are
> dealing with. I can tell you for one thing, and with a remarkable
> personal, first-hand experience!!;  The people at Glass@Bungi people
> I myself have dealt with, the people I have crossed swords with and
> the people I have had the fabulous fortune to meet in person and
> welcome in my own home, thousands of miles away from where you are,
> have become trusted friends, colleagues and "teachers" for life.
> Yes, there are rip-off merchants about. Plenty of them too....
> But the "essence" and core of everybody I have yet come across at
> Glass@Bungi is a sincere, searching, learning and giving stained
> glass beginner/learner/hobbyist/ semi-professional/ professional.
> 
> We tease, we joke, we argue and sometimes it's not "quite strictly
> stained glass".You will ALWAYS get a sincere and honest answer.
> It's an answer always designed to inform and to help. (Sometimes to
> tease.....    ;-)    ) That has always been the ethos of this Group;
> by the personalities involved, I believe it always will be.
> Trust in that - because I do.
> Elisabeth 'n Toby  ( in the United Kingdom)
> .... for what my 2 cents are worth....
> 
> Deb wrote:
> the only thing I would worry about with this is do we trust each
> other enough to do this or will you be the middle man to keep us all
> honest?  sorry to be so negative but there are so many swindlers out
> there sometimes you can't trust any one
> on the flip side probably the only ones using this area are stained glass
> people and of course we are all good people
> ----
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> North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
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It sure wouldn't hurt to see another slant on this but you can already see the types of glass at:

http://www.warner-criv.com/

Just check out the glass warehouse or glass on-line sections

Linda Campbell
Suffolk, VA

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I too like your site and am looking forward to MORE, MORE!
Speaking for myself...I am often confused with the different types of
glass available.  You know, can't assiciate a look with a name.  If you
could put a picture of the different types up it would be very helpful
to me and hopefully others.  I don't mean the thousands of colors
available, just the types.  

If I want to know what Spectrum is or Glue chip...I could bring it up on
your site and see a sampling.  Whaddya think?
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From:	PRYC, 74052,76
TO:	Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx
DATE:	8/13/97 2:09 PM

RE:	Copy of: Carta AAV

BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m        MUSEO FRANZ MAYER

Como ya hemos dicho, independientemente de la rama de vidrio en la que se
trabaja, lo que todos queremos es vender lo que producimos.   Para explorar las
posibilidades de vender en los Estados Unidos hemos invitado al Lic. Julio Cesar
Alonso de la comercializadora Handicrafts Products of the Americas, Inc. a
exponer los servicios que su empresa puede ofrecer.

Seguido de esta ponencia se propone una sesion de trabajo para desarrollar las
propuestas de proyectos actuales:
1)  Proyecto: REVISTA DE VIDRIO
2)  Proyecto: TALLER EXPERIMENTAL DE VIDRIO
3)  Evento Promocional: POLIFORUM CULTURAL SIQUEIROS en Noviembre
	Se expondran los detalles de cada uno de los proyectos y se solicitara tu
opinion y participacion para definir el futuro desarrollo de estos proyectos,
que son de gran importancia para nuestro trabajo y el futuro de la Asociacion.
!ESPERAMOS CONTAR CON TU PRESENCIA E IDEAS!

REUNION:
Aprovechando el proximo puente de las Fiestas Patrias, se esta organizando un
grupo de trabajo para ir a San Miguel Allende del 13 al 16 de septiembre y
ayudar a Ana Thiel en el armado y puesta en marcha de un horno de fundicion con
capacidad de 160kg. de vidrio (para hacer vaciados en molde de arena).   Peter
Keough, artista y maestro universitario Canadiense fue quien diseno el horno y
estara presente para dirigir este trabajo.   Todos estan invitados a formar
parte de este grupo para ver y ayudar en el proceso.   El programa de trabajo y
convivios estara disponible con Luz Maria Shepard, junto con el plano para
llegar al taller de Ana.   Las personas interesadas en participar en este grupo
deberan reservar el alojamiento por su cuenta y notificarnos del numero de
personas que asistiran.   Como referencia al final del boletin hay una lista de
hoteles en San Miguel de Allende.

CONDOLENCIAS:
	Con tristeza comunicamos la noticia de la muerte del padre de Ana Thiel
acaecida el pasado 18 de julio.   Nos unimos a la pena de Ana y su familia,
ofreciendoles nuestro mas sentido pesame.
	De igual manera sentimos el fallecimiento de nuestro amigo y asociado,
Carlos Alberto Ramirez el 23 de junio.   De parte de todos los asociados
mandamos nuestro mas sentido pesame a Maria Valencia y a la familia de Carlos
Alberto.

AVISOS:
a)	Los eventos organizados por la Camara de Comercio - Seccion Vidrio
(platica sobre Pegamento de u.v. de Chemetall Mexicana y la visita a la fabrica
de vidrio de Coacalco) se realizaron con mucho exito y Alejandro Ariza nos
mantiene informados de sus actividades.   La Camara, como un servicio a sus
agremiados, ayuda en la inscripcion al Sistema de Informacion Empresarial
Mexicana (SIEM).   Por otra parte nos avisan que la nueva ley del Seguro Social
exige que las empresas de mas de 6 empleados presenten su declaracion mensual en
diskette.   Para las empresas que no tienen todavia computadora, existen modulos
de atencion en Camara de Comercio y en el IMSS para ayudarles con este tramite.

b) 	Por otro lado, al participar en una reunion de la Seccion 35 (fabricantes
de vidrio, articulos de vidrio y cristal) de la CANACINTRA, nos informaron que
ellos tambien pueden inscribir a nuestros asociados en el SIEM con un costo de
$670 para empresas medianos y grandes y de $150 para microempresas con dos
empleados o menos.

c)	GLASSLAT '98, exposicion comercial de fabricantes de vidrio, productos,
maquinaria y derivados, esta programado en el World Trade Center del 4 al 6 de
marzo de 1998.

d)	CONVOCATORIAS:
1) Segundo Salon Nacional de Artes Visuales, Bienal Bidimensional 1998 (abril).
2) VII Bienal Guadalupana, Diciembre 1997.
3) New Glass Review 19 - Competition/The Corning Museum of Glass (dic. 1997).
De estar interesados favor de comunicarse con Kathy Harvey.

e)	Estamos haciendo lo posible por mejorar y actualizar nuestro sistema de
comunicaciones:  Si recibes los boletines muy atrasados y prefieres recibirlos
por correo electronico o por fax, favor de avisarle a Kathy Harvey.

f)COMUNICATE CON NOSOTROS POR CORREO ELECTRONICO.  La AAV ya tiene correo
electronico.  La direccion es:  aav.ac@usa.net.    Esperamos tener una pagina en
Internet en un futuro proximo.

g)	Para inscribirte a la AAV puedes deositar la cuota a nombre de
"Asociacion de Vitralistas y Artistas del Vidrio, A.C." a la cuenta Banamex No.
7324361 suc. 650 y mandar la ficha de deposito por fax a Irma Valera, o bien,
pagar directamente en cualquier reunion.
Las cuotas son:
Artista individual $300;  Artista pareja (cotrabajadores, socios, matrimonios -
misma direccion) $450;  Artesano, trabajador, estudiante, publico en general
$150; Empresa* (4 personas) $1000;  Benefactor*  $2000.  
Notas:  *Las categorias de empresa y benefactor cuentan como artista para fines
de inscripcion en cursos y exposiciones.   Las cuotas son anuales a partir de la
fecha de pago y cubren las platicas mensuales y la informacion que envie la
Asociacion en el transcurso del ano.

La Asociacion necesita de tu cuota de inscripcion para seguir llevando a cabo
actividades y proyectos.   Si no lo has hecho, ACTUALIZA TUS PAGOS.

!ESPERAMOS VERTE EL MARTES, 19 DE AGOSTO, A LAS 7:00pm!

Atentamente,
Mesa Directiva  (Kathy Harvey, presidente 641-4111;  Luz Maria Shepard,
secretario 579-0111;  Irma Leticia Valera, Tesorero 683-7343,    Fax general:
641-4204)

HOTELES EN SAN MIGUEL DE ALLENDE (lada 415):
The San Miguel International Hostel	2-06-74  dormitorios $35 por persona
(Robbie)
Hotel Meson de San Antonio 		2-05-80  $198 doble
Hotel Sautto			2-05-51/52
Villa Santa Monica			2-04-27
Posada de las Monjas		2-01-71
Quinta Loreto			2-00-42
Posada Cholita			2-28-98
Campamento K O A			?
Hotel Monteverde			?              $250 doble
Posada Ermita			2-07-77
Posada San Francisco		2-00-72
La Mansion del Bosque		2-02-77
La Paz Cabanas Campestres		2-55-10

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     Any chance someone could translate this into give us the highlights?
     Thanks.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Copy of: Carta AAV
Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
Date:    8/13/97 3:33 PM


     
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
     
From:        PRYC, 74052,76
TO:        Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx 
DATE:        8/13/97 2:09 PM
     
RE:        Copy of: Carta AAV
     
BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m        MUSEO FRANZ MAYER
     
Como ya hemos dicho, independientemente de la rama de vidrio en la que se 
trabaja, lo que todos queremos es vender lo que producimos.   Para explorar las 
posibilidades de vender en los Estados Unidos hemos invitado al Lic. Julio Cesar
Alonso de la comercializadora Handicrafts Products of the Americas, Inc. a 
exponer los servicios que su empresa puede ofrecer.
     
Seguido de esta ponencia se propone una sesion de trabajo para desarrollar las 
propuestas de proyectos actuales:
1)  Proyecto: REVISTA DE VIDRIO
2)  Proyecto: TALLER EXPERIMENTAL DE VIDRIO
3)  Evento Promocional: POLIFORUM CULTURAL SIQUEIROS en Noviembre
        Se expondran los detalles de cada uno de los proyectos y se solicitara
tu
opinion y participacion para definir el futuro desarrollo de estos proyectos, 
que son de gran importancia para nuestro trabajo y el futuro de la Asociacion. 
!ESPERAMOS CONTAR CON TU PRESENCIA E IDEAS!
     
REUNION:
Aprovechando el proximo puente de las Fiestas Patrias, se esta organizando un 
grupo de trabajo para ir a San Miguel Allende del 13 al 16 de septiembre y 
ayudar a Ana Thiel en el armado y puesta en marcha de un horno de fundicion con 
capacidad de 160kg. de vidrio (para hacer vaciados en molde de arena).   Peter 
Keough, artista y maestro universitario Canadiense fue quien diseno el horno y 
estara presente para dirigir este trabajo.   Todos estan invitados a formar 
parte de este grupo para ver y ayudar en el proceso.   El programa de trabajo y 
convivios estara disponible con Luz Maria Shepard, junto con el plano para 
llegar al taller de Ana.   Las personas interesadas en participar en este grupo 
deberan reservar el alojamiento por su cuenta y notificarnos del numero de 
personas que asistiran.   Como referencia al final del boletin hay una lista de 
hoteles en San Miguel de Allende.
     
CONDOLENCIAS:
        Con tristeza comunicamos la noticia de la muerte del padre de Ana Thiel
acaecida el pasado 18 de julio.   Nos unimos a la pena de Ana y su familia, 
ofreciendoles nuestro mas sentido pesame.
        De igual manera sentimos el fallecimiento de nuestro amigo y asociado,
Carlos Alberto Ramirez el 23 de junio.   De parte de todos los asociados 
mandamos nuestro mas sentido pesame a Maria Valencia y a la familia de Carlos 
Alberto.
     
AVISOS:
a)        Los eventos organizados por la Camara de Comercio - Seccion Vidrio 
(platica sobre Pegamento de u.v. de Chemetall Mexicana y la visita a la fabrica 
de vidrio de Coacalco) se realizaron con mucho exito y Alejandro Ariza nos 
mantiene informados de sus actividades.   La Camara, como un servicio a sus 
agremiados, ayuda en la inscripcion al Sistema de Informacion Empresarial 
Mexicana (SIEM).   Por otra parte nos avisan que la nueva ley del Seguro Social 
exige que las empresas de mas de 6 empleados presenten su declaracion mensual en
diskette.   Para las empresas que no tienen todavia computadora, existen modulos
de atencion en Camara de Comercio y en el IMSS para ayudarles con este tramite.
     
b)         Por otro lado, al participar en una reunion de la Seccion 35 
(fabricantes
de vidrio, articulos de vidrio y cristal) de la CANACINTRA, nos informaron que 
ellos tambien pueden inscribir a nuestros asociados en el SIEM con un costo de 
$670 para empresas medianos y grandes y de $150 para microempresas con dos 
empleados o menos.
     
c)        GLASSLAT '98, exposicion comercial de fabricantes de vidrio, 
productos,
maquinaria y derivados, esta programado en el World Trade Center del 4 al 6 de 
marzo de 1998.
     
d)        CONVOCATORIAS:
1) Segundo Salon Nacional de Artes Visuales, Bienal Bidimensional 1998 (abril). 
2) VII Bienal Guadalupana, Diciembre 1997.
3) New Glass Review 19 - Competition/The Corning Museum of Glass (dic. 1997). 
De estar interesados favor de comunicarse con Kathy Harvey.
     
e)        Estamos haciendo lo posible por mejorar y actualizar nuestro sistema 
de
comunicaciones:  Si recibes los boletines muy atrasados y prefieres recibirlos 
por correo electronico o por fax, favor de avisarle a Kathy Harvey.
     
f)COMUNICATE CON NOSOTROS POR CORREO ELECTRONICO.  La AAV ya tiene correo 
electronico.  La direccion es:  aav.ac@usa.net.    Esperamos tener una pagina en
Internet en un futuro proximo.
     
g)        Para inscribirte a la AAV puedes deositar la cuota a nombre de 
"Asociacion de Vitralistas y Artistas del Vidrio, A.C." a la cuenta Banamex No. 
7324361 suc. 650 y mandar la ficha de deposito por fax a Irma Valera, o bien, 
pagar directamente en cualquier reunion.
Las cuotas son:
Artista individual $300;  Artista pareja (cotrabajadores, socios, matrimonios - 
misma direccion) $450;  Artesano, trabajador, estudiante, publico en general 
$150; Empresa* (4 personas) $1000;  Benefactor*  $2000.  
Notas:  *Las categorias de empresa y benefactor cuentan como artista para fines 
de inscripcion en cursos y exposiciones.   Las cuotas son anuales a partir de la
fecha de pago y cubren las platicas mensuales y la informacion que envie la 
Asociacion en el transcurso del ano.
     
La Asociacion necesita de tu cuota de inscripcion para seguir llevando a cabo 
actividades y proyectos.   Si no lo has hecho, ACTUALIZA TUS PAGOS.
     
!ESPERAMOS VERTE EL MARTES, 19 DE AGOSTO, A LAS 7:00pm!
     
Atentamente,
Mesa Directiva  (Kathy Harvey, presidente 641-4111;  Luz Maria Shepard, 
secretario 579-0111;  Irma Leticia Valera, Tesorero 683-7343,    Fax general: 
641-4204)
     
HOTELES EN SAN MIGUEL DE ALLENDE (lada 415):
The San Miguel International Hostel        2-06-74  dormitorios $35 por persona 
(Robbie)
Hotel Meson de San Antonio                 2-05-80  $198 doble 
Hotel Sautto                        2-05-51/52
Villa Santa Monica                        2-04-27 
Posada de las Monjas                2-01-71 
Quinta Loreto                        2-00-42 
Posada Cholita                        2-28-98 
Campamento K O A                        ?
Hotel Monteverde                        ?              $250 doble 
Posada Ermita                        2-07-77
Posada San Francisco                2-00-72 
La Mansion del Bosque                2-02-77
La Paz Cabanas Campestres                2-55-10
     
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If this is relevant to glass - Could whomever posted it supply an
American English version for us who are linguistically impaired??
PRYC wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> From:   PRYC, 74052,76
> TO:     Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx
> DATE:   8/13/97 2:09 PM
>
> RE:     Copy of: Carta AAV
>
> BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m        MUSEO FRANZ MAYER
>
> Como ya hemos dicho, independientemente de la rama de vidrio en la que
> se
> trabaja,

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     DearPeggy, Could I have the instructions too?Thanks.VAFI5@AOL.COM
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> BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m       
> MUSEO FRANZ MAYER

For those of you who don't read Spanish, here's a (very) rough 
machine translation:

From:PRYC, 74052.76 TO:Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx
DATE:8/13/97 2:09
  p.m.
 RE:Copy of: Letter Aav Bulletin 4 
Reunion: 19 OF AUGUST, 7:00.m
  MUSEUM FRANZ MAYER 

Like already there are saying, independently of
  the glass branch in which one works, which all we want is to sell
  what we produce. In order to explore the possibilities of selling in
  the United States we have invited to the Lic. Julio To stop Alonso
  of the comercializadora Handicrafts Products of the Americas, Inc.
  to expose the services that its company can offer.

 Followed of this
  communication a work session intends to develop the present
  proposals of projects: 

1) Project: Glass Magazine 
2) Project:
  Experimental Glass Factory
 3) Promocional Event: CULTURAL POLIFORUM
  SIQUEIROS in November expondran the details of each one of the
  projects and it asked for your opinion and participation to define
  the future development of these projects, that are of great
  importance for our work and the future of the Association. TO HAVE
  YOUR PRESENCE AND IDEAS! 

REUNION: Taking advantage of proximo bridge
  the Celebrations Mother countries, this organizing a work group to
  go to San Miguel Besides the 13 to the 16 of September and to help
  to Ana Thiel in the beginning armed one and of a furnace of smelting
  with capacity of 160kg. of glass (to do drained in sand mold). Peter
  Keough, artist and Canadian university teacher were the one who
  diseno the present furnace and estara to direct this work. All estan
  guests to be member of this group to see and to help in the process.

  The program of work and convivios estara available with Light Maria
  Shepard, together with the plane to arrive at the factory of Ana.
  The people interested in participating in this group you would
  deberan to reserve the lodging by its account and to notify to us of
  I number of people who asistiran. As reference at the end of the
  bulletin is a list of hotels in San Miguel de Allende.

 CONDOLENCIAS:
  With sadness we communicated the news of the death of the father of
  happened Ana Thiel July past 18. We were united to the pain of Ana
  and its family, offering to them ours but felt pesame. Of equal way
  we felt the death of our friend and associate, Carlos Alberto
  Ramirez the 23 of June. From all the associate we sent ours but felt
  pesame to Maria Valencia and to the family of Carlos Alberto.
 
 WARNINGS: 

a)Los events organized by the Camara de Comercio - Section
  Glass (platica on Glue of u.v. of Mexican Chemetall and the visit to
  makes it of glass of Coacalco) were made with much exito and
  Alexander Ariza to us maintains informed into his activities. The
  Camara, like a service to formed into a guild his, aid in the
  inscription to the System of Mexican Enterprise Informacion (SIEM).
  On the other hand they warn to us that the new law of the Social
  Insurance demands that the companies of but of 6 employees
  present/display their monthly declaration in floppy disk. For the
  companies that do not have todavia computer, they exist modulos of
  attention in Camara de Comercio and in the IMSS to help them with
  this it transacts. 

b) By another side, when participating in one
  reunion of Section 35 (glass manufacturers, articulos of glass and
  crystal) of the CANACINTRA, informed us that they tambien can
  register to our associate in the SIEM with a cost of $670 for medium
  and great companies and of $150 for microcompanies with two
  employees or less.

 c)GLASSLAT ' 98, commercial exposure of glass
  manufacturers, products, machinery and derivatives, this programmed
  in the World Trade Center from the 4 to the 6 of March of 1998.
 
 d)ONVOATORIAS:
 1) Second National Hall Visual Arts, Bidimensional
  Biennial 1998 (April). 

2) Vii Guadalupana Biennial, December 1997.
 
 3) New Glass Review 19 - Competition/The Corning Museum of Glass
  (dic. 1997). to be interested favor to communicate with Kathy
  Harvey.

 e)Estamos doing the possible thing to improve and to update
  our system of communications: If you receive retarded bulletins very
  and you prefer to receive them by electronico mail or fax, favor to
  warn to him Kathy Harvey. 

f)OMUNIATE WITH US BY MAIL ELECTRONICO.
  The AAV already has electronico mail. The direction is:
  aav.ac@usa.net. We hoped to have a pagina in Internet in a future
  proximo. g)Para inscribirte to the AAV you can deositar the quota to
  name of " Association of Vitralistas and Artistas of the Glass, A.C.
  " to the Banamex account No. 7324361 suc. 650 and to send the card
  of I deposit by fax to Irma Valera, or, to directly pay in nobody
  reunion. The quotas are: Individual artist $300; Even artist
  (coworkers, partners, marriages - same direction) $450; Craftsman,
  worker, student, I publish in general $150; Empresa* (4 people)
  $1000; Benefactor* $2000. Notes: *Las categorias of company and
  benefactor counts like artist for aims of inscription in courses and
  exposures. The quotas are annual as of the date of payment and cover
  the monthly platicas and the information that envie the Association
  in the course of the anus. The Association needs your quota of
  inscription to continue carrying out activities and projects. If you
  have not done it, 

UPDATES YOUR PAYMENTS. VERTE TUESDAY, 19 OF
  AUGUST, To 7:00pm! Yours truly, 
Directive Table (Kathy Harvey,
  president 641-4111; Light Maria Shepard, secretary 579-0111; Irma
  Leticia Valera, Treasurer 683-7343, general Fax: 641-4204) 

HOTELS IN
  SAN MIGUEL OF BEYOND (lada 415): The San Miguel International
  Hostel2-06-74 dormitories $35 by person (Robbie) Hotel Inn of San
  Antonio 2-05-80 $198 double Sautto2-05-51/52 Hotel Villa Put Santa
  Monica2-04-27 of the Put Monjas2-01-71 Fifth Loreto2-00-42
  Cholita2-28-98 Encampment K Or A? Monteverde Hotel? $250 double Put
  Ermita2-07-77 Inn San Francisco2-00-72 the Mansion of the
  Bosque2-02-77 La Paz Cabanas Campestres2-55-10 


Albert
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Hi everyone,

	I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a neighbor who
is moving and having a house built.  Pretty funny because she was all
excited over the "duds" in my yard.  Let this be a lesson:  Don't give
ALL your good stuff away.  The ones in my yard are my boo boos.  I am
strictly a hobbiest as being a mom is my primary occupation.  I told her
they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She may decide
she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money that bad,
I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass time
is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get to the
point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because my
husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they don't
go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of TUMS?)

	Anyway..... Not to beat a dead horse because I think this was
discussed recently, but I wasn't paying attention since I wasn't planning
on selling any, BUT would those of you who've sold some maybe e-mail me
what you were able to sell them for.  If everyone's tired of hearing
about it, e- me privately at:

			jroey@juno.com
Thanks,

Jerri
	
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Thank You Albert,

Guess I'm going to have to install one of the translator programs I have
lurking in a box somewhere, and learn Spanish and French.  Sometimes I
really wish I had paid more attention to French lessons in school.  With
the Internet now a world wide communication forum, English alone is not
enough.  Stumbled into a German site the other day, too.  

Lee  ;-)

Albert Lewis wrote:
> 
> 
> > BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m
> > MUSEO FRANZ MAYER
> 
> For those of you who don't read Spanish, here's a (very) rough
>
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Hi Amy!

It sounds like you are looking for a product that is produced by Northern
Hardwoods Framing.
They are located in Minn. MN. Their wood products are of a good-excellent
quality, however, 
you'll have to finish and assemble. 

Hope this helps.
-Vernon

At 10:14 AM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the
>past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to
>stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
>
>I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room
>divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about
>where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass
>part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate student
>so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
>
>If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has
>advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
>
>Thanks, Amy     
>
>
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Is it possible to wax the finished product and not use patina?  Some
people want the silver look.  I don't want to always plate it to keep it
silver.  I know on lead you have to but not sure on solder.  thanks :)
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Hi,
I am doing my first craft show in two weeks after a veeeeerry long time.
Why would I put myself through such a tramatic experience?  I am the one
out of a job!

Anyway, I am going to feature stepping stones.  Nothing elabrate. I plan
to have mostly 12" sq & round stones, 5 or 6 of the 18" sq & round.  The
idea is to make some cash.  I too will not give my work away.  I feel a
fair price for the 12" ones with a small pattern in the center and scrap
pieces filling in like mosiac would be $40.00.  Maybe an extra $10 for a
full pattern.  
Whaddyall think?
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pansy wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to wax the finished product and not use patina?  Some
> people want the silver look.  I don't want to always plate it to keep it
> silver.  I know on lead you have to but not sure on solder.  thanks :)
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patina is'nt mandatory. it can stay silver, use some semi-chrome to
polish the solder. then wax it as usual.

---Mike Savad

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Hi Albert-

Thanks for the speedy translation.  Question:
What is this "New Glass Review", Competition/
Corning Museum of Glass that's listed in the
itinerary?  Info about that would be most
appreciated!

Best regards,

Dani Greer

Greer Gallery & Studios
603 W. Colorado Ave.
Colorado Springs, CO  80905

Web site http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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Albert Lewis wrote:

> > BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m
> > MUSEO FRANZ MAYER
>
> For those of you who don't read Spanish, here's a (very) rough
> machine translation:
>
> From:PRYC, 74052.76 TO:Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx
> DATE:8/13/97 2:09
>   p.m.
>  RE:Copy of: Letter Aav Bulletin 4
> Reunion: 19 OF AUGUST, 7:00.m
>   MUSEUM FRANZ MAYER
>
> Like already there are saying, independently of
>   the glass branch in which one works, which all we want is to sell
>   what we produce. In order to explore the possibilities of selling in
>
>   the United States we have invited to the Lic. Julio To stop Alonso
>   of the comercializadora Handicrafts Products of the Americas, Inc.
>   to expose the services that its company can offer.
>
>  Followed of this
>   communication a work session intends to develop the present
>   proposals of projects:
>
> 1) Project: Glass Magazine
> 2) Project:
>   Experimental Glass Factory
>  3) Promocional Event: CULTURAL POLIFORUM
>   SIQUEIROS in November expondran the details of each one of the
>   projects and it asked for your opinion and participation to define
>   the future development of these projects, that are of great
>   importance for our work and the future of the Association. TO HAVE
>   YOUR PRESENCE AND IDEAS!
>
> REUNION: Taking advantage of proximo bridge
>   the Celebrations Mother countries, this organizing a work group to
>   go to San Miguel Besides the 13 to the 16 of September and to help
>   to Ana Thiel in the beginning armed one and of a furnace of smelting
>
>   with capacity of 160kg. of glass (to do drained in sand mold). Peter
>
>   Keough, artist and Canadian university teacher were the one who
>   diseno the present furnace and estara to direct this work. All estan
>
>   guests to be member of this group to see and to help in the process.
>
>   The program of work and convivios estara available with Light Maria
>   Shepard, together with the plane to arrive at the factory of Ana.
>   The people interested in participating in this group you would
>   deberan to reserve the lodging by its account and to notify to us of
>
>   I number of people who asistiran. As reference at the end of the
>   bulletin is a list of hotels in San Miguel de Allende.
>
>  CONDOLENCIAS:
>   With sadness we communicated the news of the death of the father of
>   happened Ana Thiel July past 18. We were united to the pain of Ana
>   and its family, offering to them ours but felt pesame. Of equal way
>   we felt the death of our friend and associate, Carlos Alberto
>   Ramirez the 23 of June. From all the associate we sent ours but felt
>
>   pesame to Maria Valencia and to the family of Carlos Alberto.
>
>  WARNINGS:
>
> a)Los events organized by the Camara de Comercio - Section
>   Glass (platica on Glue of u.v. of Mexican Chemetall and the visit to
>
>   makes it of glass of Coacalco) were made with much exito and
>   Alexander Ariza to us maintains informed into his activities. The
>   Camara, like a service to formed into a guild his, aid in the
>   inscription to the System of Mexican Enterprise Informacion (SIEM).
>   On the other hand they warn to us that the new law of the Social
>   Insurance demands that the companies of but of 6 employees
>   present/display their monthly declaration in floppy disk. For the
>   companies that do not have todavia computer, they exist modulos of
>   attention in Camara de Comercio and in the IMSS to help them with
>   this it transacts.
>
> b) By another side, when participating in one
>   reunion of Section 35 (glass manufacturers, articulos of glass and
>   crystal) of the CANACINTRA, informed us that they tambien can
>   register to our associate in the SIEM with a cost of $670 for medium
>
>   and great companies and of $150 for microcompanies with two
>   employees or less.
>
>  c)GLASSLAT ' 98, commercial exposure of glass
>   manufacturers, products, machinery and derivatives, this programmed
>   in the World Trade Center from the 4 to the 6 of March of 1998.
>
>  d)ONVOATORIAS:
>  1) Second National Hall Visual Arts, Bidimensional
>   Biennial 1998 (April).
>
> 2) Vii Guadalupana Biennial, December 1997.
>
>  3) New Glass Review 19 - Competition/The Corning Museum of Glass
>   (dic. 1997). to be interested favor to communicate with Kathy
>   Harvey.
>
>  e)Estamos doing the possible thing to improve and to update
>   our system of communications: If you receive retarded bulletins very
>
>   and you prefer to receive them by electronico mail or fax, favor to
>   warn to him Kathy Harvey.
>
> f)OMUNIATE WITH US BY MAIL ELECTRONICO.
>   The AAV already has electronico mail. The direction is:
>   aav.ac@usa.net. We hoped to have a pagina in Internet in a future
>   proximo. g)Para inscribirte to the AAV you can deositar the quota to
>
>   name of " Association of Vitralistas and Artistas of the Glass, A.C.
>
>   " to the Banamex account No. 7324361 suc. 650 and to send the card
>   of I deposit by fax to Irma Valera, or, to directly pay in nobody
>   reunion. The quotas are: Individual artist $300; Even artist
>   (coworkers, partners, marriages - same direction) $450; Craftsman,
>   worker, student, I publish in general $150; Empresa* (4 people)
>   $1000; Benefactor* $2000. Notes: *Las categorias of company and
>   benefactor counts like artist for aims of inscription in courses and
>
>   exposures. The quotas are annual as of the date of payment and cover
>
>   the monthly platicas and the information that envie the Association
>   in the course of the anus. The Association needs your quota of
>   inscription to continue carrying out activities and projects. If you
>
>   have not done it,
>
> UPDATES YOUR PAYMENTS. VERTE TUESDAY, 19 OF
>   AUGUST, To 7:00pm! Yours truly,
> Directive Table (Kathy Harvey,
>   president 641-4111; Light Maria Shepard, secretary 579-0111; Irma
>   Leticia Valera, Treasurer 683-7343, general Fax: 641-4204)
>
> HOTELS IN
>   SAN MIGUEL OF BEYOND (lada 415): The San Miguel International
>   Hostel2-06-74 dormitories $35 by person (Robbie) Hotel Inn of San
>   Antonio 2-05-80 $198 double Sautto2-05-51/52 Hotel Villa Put Santa
>   Monica2-04-27 of the Put Monjas2-01-71 Fifth Loreto2-00-42
>   Cholita2-28-98 Encampment K Or A? Monteverde Hotel? $250 double Put
>   Ermita2-07-77 Inn San Francisco2-00-72 the Mansion of the
>   Bosque2-02-77 La Paz Cabanas Campestres2-55-10
>
> Albert
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Amy, many high schools and Vo-Techs have talented students that will do the
projects for people to attain materials for the class to get the grade or
for extra income at very affordable rates.  Give the local schools a call
or  post a note on your college bullentin board or ask in the employment
office.  Many use school tools and get extra credit or rent space at
reasonable rates to build things for extra income.  We have used our local
Vo-tech and high school several times.
D.S.K.

----------
> From: Amy Lansing <alansing@nwu.edu>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: room dividers
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 3:14 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the
> past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to
> stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
> 
> I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room
> divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about
> where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass
> part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate
student
> so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
> 
> If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has
> advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
> 
> Thanks, Amy     
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Stepping stone prices?
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:46:29 -0500
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Hello. I have not yet sold any myself, but have checked out prices in the
Houston area to be around $75 - $80. That was the typical range with 14"
circle at lower end and hexagon at upper end. I have also found a site on
the internet that had outragously expensive stones. I too am curious as
to prices in other areas.

Dariece

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:13:20 -0400 jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>	I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a neighbor 
>who
>is moving and having a house built.  Pretty funny because she was all
>excited over the "duds" in my yard.  Let this be a lesson:  Don't give
>ALL your good stuff away.  The ones in my yard are my boo boos.  I am
>strictly a hobbiest as being a mom is my primary occupation.  I told 
>her
>they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She may 
>decide
>she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money that 
>bad,
>I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass 
>time
>is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get to 
>the
>point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because my
>husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they 
>don't
>go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of TUMS?)
>
>	Anyway..... Not to beat a dead horse because I think this was
>discussed recently, but I wasn't paying attention since I wasn't 
>planning
>on selling any, BUT would those of you who've sold some maybe e-mail 
>me
>what you were able to sell them for.  If everyone's tired of hearing
>about it, e- me privately at:
>
>			jroey@juno.com
>Thanks,
>
>Jerri
>	
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Harold & Sue Karber wrote:

> Amy, many high schools and Vo-Techs have talented students that will
> do the
> projects for people to attain materials for the class to get the grade
> or
> for extra income at very affordable rates.  Give the local schools a
> call
> or  post a note on your college bullentin board or ask in the
> employment
> office.  Many use school tools and get extra credit or rent space at
> reasonable rates to build things for extra income.  We have used our
> local
> Vo-tech and high school several times.
> D.S.K.
>
> ----------
> > From: Amy Lansing <alansing@nwu.edu>
> > To: glass@bungi.com
> > Subject: room dividers
> > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 3:14 PM
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass
> for the
> > past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally
> introduced to
> > stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
> >
> > I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a
> room
> > divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion
> about
> > where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained
> glass
> > part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate
> student
> > so I doubt I could afford a custom job.
> >
> > If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or
> has
> > advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks, Amy
> >
> >
> >
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Glass-at-bungi folks,
The above email is one of three that I have received tonight that was
addressed to you.  This began after I visited your site and sent you an
email myself.  I have checked my email config and nothing seems out of
order. Maybe you should do the same. Did you receive the above email
too, or did it just come to me? I deleted the first one cuz I figured it
was a fluke, but now I'll keep them until I hear from you that you've
received them too and, hopefully, figured out what the problem is.  Let
me know either way. Thanks - Mark Stine (stine@diac.com)


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Mike,

What is semi-chrome?

Linda Campbell


patina is'nt mandatory. it can stay silver, use some semi-chrome to
polish the solder. then wax it as usual.

---Mike Savad

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I worked with an art studio/supply retail store doing stained glass
teaching in much the same manner as you are suggesting.  It didn't work o=
ut
well for me or the store, and we ended up splitting.  In fact, I opened u=
p
my own store as a result.

But, getting back to why it didn't work out.... I didn't get anything dow=
n
in writing, which I think is a major mistake.  Both you and the store own=
er
should know exactly what each is expecting from this setup.  Put it in
writing, so there's no confusion down the road.  I also got free studio
space for work when not teaching, but this did not work out well.  I was
constantly having to stop work to take care of walk-in customers for the
retail store.  And I didn't get proper store training (like how to take a=
n
order for framing some artwork) so most of the time I had to answer, "Gee=
,
I don't know.  You'll have to wait till the owner gets here and then ask
her," which made me feel like an idiot.  Also, my work space was also use=
d
for weekend workshops, so I had to move all my gear on Friday night back
into a storage area, and then back up front on Monday mornings.  Wasted
time =3D wasted $$.  Also, I had to constantly look out for children/adul=
ts
coming too near the work area when I was using dangerous stuff (like
freshly cut glass, soldering irons, chemicals, etc.).

As to working out a payment schedule for teaching the classes, you can tr=
y
for a $ per hour rate, or you can do a $ per student rate.  Take what the=

studio would charge for the class and then you take a percentage of that
for teaching.  Get the money up-front when the students sign up for the
course.  Do not wait for the end of the course.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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I worked with an art studio/supply retail store doing stained glass
teaching in much the same manner as you are suggesting.  It didn't work o=
ut
well for me or the store, and we ended up splitting.  In fact, I opened u=
p
my own store as a result.

But, getting back to why it didn't work out.... I didn't get anything dow=
n
in writing, which I think is a major mistake.  Both you and the store own=
er
should know exactly what each is expecting from this setup.  Put it in
writing, so there's no confusion down the road.  I also got free studio
space for work when not teaching, but this did not work out well.  I was
constantly having to stop work to take care of walk-in customers for the
retail store.  And I didn't get proper store training (like how to take a=
n
order for framing some artwork) so most of the time I had to answer, "Gee=
,
I don't know.  You'll have to wait till the owner gets here and then ask
her," which made me feel like an idiot.  Also, my work space was also use=
d
for weekend workshops, so I had to move all my gear on Friday night back
into a storage area, and then back up front on Monday mornings.  Wasted
time =3D wasted $$.  Also, I had to constantly look out for children/adul=
ts
coming too near the work area when I was using dangerous stuff (like
freshly cut glass, soldering irons, chemicals, etc.).

As to working out a payment schedule for teaching the classes, you can tr=
y
for a $ per hour rate, or you can do a $ per student rate.  Take what the=

studio would charge for the class and then you take a percentage of that
for teaching.  Get the money up-front when the students sign up for the
course.  Do not wait for the end of the course.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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I can and will, it is an announcement for various things from a new stained
glass group who have formed in Mexico.... give me a chance, maybe tonight?
:)  Meg

At 01:02 PM 8/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>     Any chance someone could translate this into give us the highlights?
>     Thanks.
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Copy of: Carta AAV
>Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
>Date:    8/13/97 3:33 PM
>
>
>     
>---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>     
>From:        PRYC, 74052,76
>TO:        Ana Thiel, INTERNET:athiel@unisono.net.mx 
>DATE:        8/13/97 2:09 PM
>     
>RE:        Copy of: Carta AAV
>     
>BOLETIN 4       REUNION: 19 DE AGOSTO, 7:00.m        MUSEO FRANZ MAYER
>     
>Como ya hemos dicho, independientemente de la rama de vidrio en la que se 
>trabaja, lo que todos queremos es vender lo que producimos.   Para explorar
las 
>posibilidades de vender en los Estados Unidos hemos invitado al Lic. Julio
Cesar
>Alonso de la comercializadora Handicrafts Products of the Americas, Inc. a 
>exponer los servicios que su empresa puede ofrecer.
>     
>Seguido de esta ponencia se propone una sesion de trabajo para desarrollar las 
>propuestas de proyectos actuales:
>1)  Proyecto: REVISTA DE VIDRIO
>2)  Proyecto: TALLER EXPERIMENTAL DE VIDRIO
>3)  Evento Promocional: POLIFORUM CULTURAL SIQUEIROS en Noviembre
>        Se expondran los detalles de cada uno de los proyectos y se solicitara
>tu
>opinion y participacion para definir el futuro desarrollo de estos proyectos, 
>que son de gran importancia para nuestro trabajo y el futuro de la Asociacion. 
>!ESPERAMOS CONTAR CON TU PRESENCIA E IDEAS!
>     
>REUNION:
>Aprovechando el proximo puente de las Fiestas Patrias, se esta organizando un 
>grupo de trabajo para ir a San Miguel Allende del 13 al 16 de septiembre y 
>ayudar a Ana Thiel en el armado y puesta en marcha de un horno de fundicion
con 
>capacidad de 160kg. de vidrio (para hacer vaciados en molde de arena).   Peter 
>Keough, artista y maestro universitario Canadiense fue quien diseno el horno y 
>estara presente para dirigir este trabajo.   Todos estan invitados a formar 
>parte de este grupo para ver y ayudar en el proceso.   El programa de
trabajo y 
>convivios estara disponible con Luz Maria Shepard, junto con el plano para 
>llegar al taller de Ana.   Las personas interesadas en participar en este
grupo 
>deberan reservar el alojamiento por su cuenta y notificarnos del numero de 
>personas que asistiran.   Como referencia al final del boletin hay una
lista de 
>hoteles en San Miguel de Allende.
>     
>CONDOLENCIAS:
>        Con tristeza comunicamos la noticia de la muerte del padre de Ana Thiel
>acaecida el pasado 18 de julio.   Nos unimos a la pena de Ana y su familia, 
>ofreciendoles nuestro mas sentido pesame.
>        De igual manera sentimos el fallecimiento de nuestro amigo y asociado,
>Carlos Alberto Ramirez el 23 de junio.   De parte de todos los asociados 
>mandamos nuestro mas sentido pesame a Maria Valencia y a la familia de Carlos 
>Alberto.
>     
>AVISOS:
>a)        Los eventos organizados por la Camara de Comercio - Seccion Vidrio 
>(platica sobre Pegamento de u.v. de Chemetall Mexicana y la visita a la
fabrica 
>de vidrio de Coacalco) se realizaron con mucho exito y Alejandro Ariza nos 
>mantiene informados de sus actividades.   La Camara, como un servicio a sus 
>agremiados, ayuda en la inscripcion al Sistema de Informacion Empresarial 
>Mexicana (SIEM).   Por otra parte nos avisan que la nueva ley del Seguro
Social 
>exige que las empresas de mas de 6 empleados presenten su declaracion
mensual en
>diskette.   Para las empresas que no tienen todavia computadora, existen
modulos
>de atencion en Camara de Comercio y en el IMSS para ayudarles con este tramite.
>     
>b)         Por otro lado, al participar en una reunion de la Seccion 35 
>(fabricantes
>de vidrio, articulos de vidrio y cristal) de la CANACINTRA, nos informaron que 
>ellos tambien pueden inscribir a nuestros asociados en el SIEM con un costo de 
>$670 para empresas medianos y grandes y de $150 para microempresas con dos 
>empleados o menos.
>     
>c)        GLASSLAT '98, exposicion comercial de fabricantes de vidrio, 
>productos,
>maquinaria y derivados, esta programado en el World Trade Center del 4 al 6 de 
>marzo de 1998.
>     
>d)        CONVOCATORIAS:
>1) Segundo Salon Nacional de Artes Visuales, Bienal Bidimensional 1998
(abril). 
>2) VII Bienal Guadalupana, Diciembre 1997.
>3) New Glass Review 19 - Competition/The Corning Museum of Glass (dic. 1997). 
>De estar interesados favor de comunicarse con Kathy Harvey.
>     
>e)        Estamos haciendo lo posible por mejorar y actualizar nuestro sistema 
>de
>comunicaciones:  Si recibes los boletines muy atrasados y prefieres recibirlos 
>por correo electronico o por fax, favor de avisarle a Kathy Harvey.
>     
>f)COMUNICATE CON NOSOTROS POR CORREO ELECTRONICO.  La AAV ya tiene correo 
>electronico.  La direccion es:  aav.ac@usa.net.    Esperamos tener una
pagina en
>Internet en un futuro proximo.
>     
>g)        Para inscribirte a la AAV puedes deositar la cuota a nombre de 
>"Asociacion de Vitralistas y Artistas del Vidrio, A.C." a la cuenta Banamex
No. 
>7324361 suc. 650 y mandar la ficha de deposito por fax a Irma Valera, o bien, 
>pagar directamente en cualquier reunion.
>Las cuotas son:
>Artista individual $300;  Artista pareja (cotrabajadores, socios,
matrimonios - 
>misma direccion) $450;  Artesano, trabajador, estudiante, publico en general 
>$150; Empresa* (4 personas) $1000;  Benefactor*  $2000.  
>Notas:  *Las categorias de empresa y benefactor cuentan como artista para
fines 
>de inscripcion en cursos y exposiciones.   Las cuotas son anuales a partir
de la
>fecha de pago y cubren las platicas mensuales y la informacion que envie la 
>Asociacion en el transcurso del ano.
>     
>La Asociacion necesita de tu cuota de inscripcion para seguir llevando a cabo 
>actividades y proyectos.   Si no lo has hecho, ACTUALIZA TUS PAGOS.
>     
>!ESPERAMOS VERTE EL MARTES, 19 DE AGOSTO, A LAS 7:00pm!
>     
>Atentamente,
>Mesa Directiva  (Kathy Harvey, presidente 641-4111;  Luz Maria Shepard, 
>secretario 579-0111;  Irma Leticia Valera, Tesorero 683-7343,    Fax general: 
>641-4204)
>     
>HOTELES EN SAN MIGUEL DE ALLENDE (lada 415):
>The San Miguel International Hostel        2-06-74  dormitorios $35 por
persona 
>(Robbie)
>Hotel Meson de San Antonio                 2-05-80  $198 doble 
>Hotel Sautto                        2-05-51/52
>Villa Santa Monica                        2-04-27 
>Posada de las Monjas                2-01-71 
>Quinta Loreto                        2-00-42 
>Posada Cholita                        2-28-98 
>Campamento K O A                        ?
>Hotel Monteverde                        ?              $250 doble 
>Posada Ermita                        2-07-77
>Posada San Francisco                2-00-72 
>La Mansion del Bosque                2-02-77
>La Paz Cabanas Campestres                2-55-10
>     
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>
Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
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COSTA RICA

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Hi;
        I see that Albert beat me to it.....(translation) , but it is a
little rough.  Was it good enough, or is it worth smoothing up a bit?  Meg
Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
apdo. 24-5655
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        We sell stepping stones to two shops in the Carmel/Monterey area.  
     The cost "wholesale" to them, minimum order 10 - 12" is $40; 14" $45; 
     16" $50, etc.  Living 125 miles from Carmel, this includes delivery.  
     Special orders are the same. Most are detailed sealife designs... 
     otters and such.  Also groupings--patterns are available for a peacock 
     and koi at your retailer if you do now want to design your own. 
        We cannot keep up with demand and now have a high school art class 
     (4 students) working every other Saturday.  They receive credit and 
     $15 a stone. Presently working on Thanksgiving/Christmas patterns.
        We have a special order for the 12 Days of Christmas (customer 
     lives in Arizona). There will be a total of 25 hexagon shaped stones, 
     13 will be background glass only.  We are charging $750 wholesale.   
        Remember these prices are wholesale. The store markup is 100-150%.
        A lot has to do with the cost of glass used and the detail and the 
     detail of the pattern.  Our stones, if I do say so my self, are beautiful 
     and unique.
        Bottom line...I think you are fairly pricing the stone.
     
     Suzanne
     Koi Glass Studio   
     
     
     
     
     
     
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Subject: Stepping stone prices?
Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet 
Date:    8/13/97 7:13 PM
     
     
Hi everyone,
     
        I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a neighbor who
is moving and having a house built.  Pretty funny because she was all 
excited over the "duds" in my yard.  Let this be a lesson:  Don't give 
ALL your good stuff away.  The ones in my yard are my boo boos.  I am 
strictly a hobbiest as being a mom is my primary occupation.  I told her 
they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She may decide 
she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money that bad, 
I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass time 
is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get to the 
point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because my 
husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they don't 
go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of TUMS?)
     
        Anyway..... Not to beat a dead horse because I think this was
discussed recently, but I wasn't paying attention since I wasn't planning 
on selling any, BUT would those of you who've sold some maybe e-mail me 
what you were able to sell them for.  If everyone's tired of hearing 
about it, e- me privately at:
     
                        jroey@juno.com
Thanks,
     
Jerri
     
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This does not appear to have been written by a spanish speaking 
person. Looks more like someone trying to use a dictionary to translate 
their english to spanish. 
			Mike Barr
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Lori S. Stine & Associates wrote:
> 
> Harold & Sue Karber wrote:
> 
> > Amy, many high schools and Vo-Techs have talented students that will
> > do the
> > projects for people to attain materials for the class to get the grade
> > or
> > for extra income at very affordable rates.  Give the local schools a
> > call
> > or  post a note on your college bullentin board or ask in the
> > employment
> > office.  Many use school tools and get extra credit or rent space at
> > reasonable rates to build things for extra income.  We have used our
> > local
> > Vo-tech and high school several times.
> > D.S.K.
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Amy Lansing <alansing@nwu.edu>
> > > To: glass@bungi.com
> > > Subject: room dividers
> > > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 3:14 PM
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass
> > for the
> > > past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally
> > introduced to
> > > stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
> > >
> > > I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a
> > room
> > > divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion
> > about
> > > where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained
> > glass
> > > part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate
> > student
> > > so I doubt I could afford a custom job.
> > >
> > > If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or
> > has
> > > advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Amy
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Glass-at-bungi folks,
> The above email is one of three that I have received tonight that was
> addressed to you.  This began after I visited your site and sent you an
> email myself.  I have checked my email config and nothing seems out of
> order. Maybe you should do the same. Did you receive the above email
> too, or did it just come to me? I deleted the first one cuz I figured it
> was a fluke, but now I'll keep them until I hear from you that you've
> received them too and, hopefully, figured out what the problem is.  Let
> me know either way. Thanks - Mark Stine (stine@diac.com)
> 
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sure you've joined the group, you'll keep getting copies of all the mail
of bungi, until you get off. the email address you probably used was the
sign up one, so if you got a response it was probably from some of us,
and not the web master...

---Mike Savad

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Take me off the list please.

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I remember a craft store here had the frames for room dividers to put
material in them, check out local craft stores, I guess it would have to be a
large one. 
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ok this person went to a lot of trouble to compose the carta aav, does anyone
want to translate?  must be something about a glass show and how to get there
and where to stay.
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I think it's an exotic spam or the sender would have replied already, =
particularly since someone said it was translated from English to =
Spanish.

Linda=20

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ok this person went to a lot of trouble to compose the carta aav, does =
anyone
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there
and where to stay.
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Pete Mitchell wrote:
<snip>
> What we're proposing to do is create an online trading post.  A place where
> you can put up your used tools to sell or find a used tool to buy.
> Basically, the idea is to get the buyer and seller together.  There wouldn't
> be any charge for listings, the idea is to help get people the equipment
> they need.
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Great idea Pete. Pity you aint downunder!
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[In the message entitled "RE: patinas necessary?" on Aug 14,  7:12, Linda Campbell writes:]

> What is semi-chrome?

It is spelled "Simichrome polish"
It is a polishing paste.  After I clean my project very well I use
this sparingly to give even more of a shine to the solder lines. Then
I finish with a finishing compound to help seal it.


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Northern Hardwoods manufactures room dividers specifically for stained
glass use.  You can order one through your local stained glass retail
store, or though one of the mail order stained glass retailers.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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I see another that is confused like I was (Mark Stine) maybe if you could
send new members a short note when they join in they would realize right away
that this is an e-mail chat.
I guess you probably have something in the site that says for new members
read this but like me we avoid some things and figure it out the hard way
deb
P.S. mark I hope you have figured this out :)
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     Christie,
     
     I just called Northern Hardwood Inc., 29874 Hardwood Way, Cannon 
     Falls, MN  55009 (507 263-5088).
     
     The gentleman said they handle kiln dried wood.  No room dividers.
     
     Do you have the address/phone number of the correct company?
     Thanks.  Suzanne


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Northern Hardwoods manufactures room dividers specifically for stained 
glass use.  You can order one through your local stained glass retail 
store, or though one of the mail order stained glass retailers.
     
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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Albert:   Thank you so much for the translation....it took  a lot of work on
your part and  was very interesting to read......again, thankyou.
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>Hi everyone,
>
>	I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a neighbor who
>is moving and having a house built. 
>I told her they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She
>may decide
>she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money that bad,
>I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass time
>is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get to the
>point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because my
>husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they don't
>go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of TUMS?)
>			jroey@juno.com
>Thanks,
>
>Jerri
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Dear Jerri,
 and
Dear pansy,

My husband and I recently went to the AGSA show in Baltimore, and spent
a considerable amount of time gleaning information from Julie Bishop
Day, (the author of the 'Tiffany Garden' book series.)  Ms. Bishop-Day
stated that the retail price to charge for garden stones is $2.50 per
piece of glass used.  We asked if it made a difference what size the
stone was, and the reply was negative, or what kind of glass used, and
again the reply was negative--but with a warning...  She said to charge
$2.50 per piece of glass in the pattern and NOT to use art glass such as
Chicago or Uroboros and possibly some type3s of Bullseye and
Youghiougheny (sp?) because of the experiences with freezing and popping
out and/or breaking.  It only seems to happen in the very cold & wet,
and only with true art glass.

Hope that this helps...

V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.


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Hi All....


 I would like to be able to make my own cutom bevels when 
needed,especially  curved ones, for different jobs and repairs.. WHat 
is available and at what price for a machine to do this??

Thanks in advance!

Byron...

Wells Glassworks
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Hi all-

We had a thread on stepping stone
prices a while back, 2-3 dozen posts
if I remember correctly.  Check the
bungi archives, too, for some good
tips.

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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Suzanne Haley wrote:
> 
>      Christie,
> 
>      I just called Northern Hardwood Inc., 29874 Hardwood Way, Cannon
>      Falls, MN  55009 (507 263-5088).
> 
>      The gentleman said they handle kiln dried wood.  No room dividers.
> 
>      Do you have the address/phone number of the correct company?
>      Thanks.  Suzanne
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: room dividers
> Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
> Date:    8/14/97 12:05 PM
> 
> Northern Hardwoods manufactures room dividers specifically for stained
> glass use.  You can order one through your local stained glass retail
> store, or though one of the mail order stained glass retailers.
> 
> Christie A. Wood
> Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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That is: 
NORTHERN HARDWOODS FRAMING, INC.
1618 Central Ave. NE
Minn., MN 55413
612 789-3624
800 328-5132
They should be able to tell you of a distributor in your area.

-Vernon
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Hi to all,
                I was in a glass shop a few days ago and during a
conversation re: sun catchers the owner of the shop mentioned that sun
catchers should be wrapped with copper wire because of their irregular /
angular outside shapes.  This is something that I have not done before but I
did like the finished look of the sun catchers in her shop.
                Can someone on the list explain to me how to wrap copper
wire around pieces?  I would really appreciate your advice.  Thanks in advance,

Barbara
                
Barbara J. Snell
Manager, Balch Dining
Dept. of Campus Life, Cornell
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Barbara Snell wants advice about wraping suncatchers with wire. Here 
is my two cents worth.

Take a piece of #18 copper wire (pretined if you can get it) about 6' 
long and secure both ends in a vice after first stringing a screw eye 
on it. Now secure the screw eye in an electric hand drill, draw the 
wire taunt and start the drill. Shortly you will have a "rope" of 
wire that will wrap nicely around a suncatcher, tack solder nicely 
and add a decorative touch. This is much better than a single wire 
that can be a chore to hide in solder. Of course, you can use other 
sizes of wire, more or less twist and right and left twists.
Bob
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Byron wants some info on beveling machines and prices. Try this:

The Glasrar Corp , (800) 432-5635) will send you information on their 
products. Five years ago I bought the B12 twelve inch diamond grinder 
for about $1,500.00 including a set of diamond disks. After a few 
months use I bought a second unit to avoid changing disks so often. 
Would have four machines if the volume of work justified it. Still 
using the origional roughing disk after thousands of inches of 
beveling. The machine is not advertised for inside curves, however, I 
can work over the edge and produce bevels of about +5" radius. 
Wonderful money making machine. They have a diamond router for about 
$7,000.00 that I can not justify for my operation. Do use a Denver 
Glass Machinery Studio beveler (cost about $3,000.00) for tight 
inside curves. It took me a long time to start producing quality 
bevels on this upright wheel machine.

If these prices put you off, check around to see if other studios 
would welcome a source of bevels near them. I bevel for several other 
studios and find that this volume justifies my outlay.

Do not have information on the smaller machines that have recently 
come on the market. If they can produce a quality bevel, then any 
extra time spent is likely to be offset in a smaller operation by the 
low price. 

Grind on, Bob
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pansy wrote:

> I don't want to see ANY more of this stuff!!!
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Well guys, all we do when we send  a reply is to send it back to
ourselves.  We need to e-mail the person who sent the sick thing in the
first place.Melissa


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Michael J. Greer wrote:

> Hi pj and all-
>
> I sent an e-mail to gary@softcell.net regarding
> the junk mail and so far it hasn't been returned.
>
> I certainly don't appreciate this kind of
> unsolicited mail - Glenna, aren't we supposed
> to stick to the subject of Glass??  Hope we
> won't have to deal with more of this stuff.
>
> :-( regards,
>
> Dani Greer
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Dani,
       Who knows, we might have a perverted bungian around, you can't
get on Glenna's case.
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MR ROBERT E DUCHESNEAU wrote:
> 
<snip>This is much better than a single wire
> that can be a chore to hide in solder. Of course, you can use other
> sizes of wire, more or less twist and right and left twists.
> Bob
> ----
Great Advice Bob!!!
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Wow!  Looks like there are new upcoming glass events announced almost 
*daily on the new http://www.stainedglassbiz.com website ... check it 
out by clicking on "events" (left-hand side of the first page).  Very 
cool. I've linked it with our home page, as well.

Albert Lewis


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Hi, everyone

I've wrapped copper wire around suncatchers, but I never was satisfied with
the uneven look of the edge.  Does anyone have any advice on techniques to
use to make the edge look uniform?

Alex Gacic
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That's what I love about this group...sharing information. None of this =
petty jealousy that seems to invade in other places. Just the other day =
Mike shared the limelight with Mr. Oddy. What a group. Keep up the good =
work, Albert. We appreciate you.

Linda Campbell
Suffolk VA

I don't speak for Metro Machine, nor they for me.

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Wow!  Looks like there are new upcoming glass events announced almost=20
*daily on the new http://www.stainedglassbiz.com website ... check it=20
out by clicking on "events" (left-hand side of the first page).  Very=20
cool. I've linked it with our home page, as well.

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Suzanne;

Here's the correct information.  Looks like there are two companies in MN=

named "Northern Hardwood" or "Northern Hardwoods".

Northern Hardwoods Framing Inc.
16-18 Central Ave. NE
Minneapolis, MN 55413
1-800-328-5132

Manufacturer of oak framing materials for framing stained glass projects.=
 =

They specifically have room divider stock & hinges availble in 1 1/8" wid=
e
stock with a slot of 3/4" and brass plated steel double acting hinges. =

These rotate 359 degrees, allowing the hinged panels to fold compactly on=

themselves.  The hinges are also 1 1/8" wide to fit the room divider stoc=
k.
 The room divider stock comes in 6' lengths which you then cut to any siz=
e
you need.

=46rom the description, what you do is order their regular "Narrow" frami=
ng
stock, which is 3/4" wide and 1" deep with a 5/16" slot for came, or thei=
r
"Narrow Foil" stock, which is 3/4" wide and 1" deep with a .210" slot for=

copper foil.  Both will then nestle inside the room divider stock.

I order mine from Glass Emporium (a wholesale only dealer), but most reta=
il
stained glass studios can order this stuff for you.  Or you can call
Northern Hardwoods directly through that 1-800 number and work something
out with them.

I use their framing stock exclusively and have been very, very pleased wi=
th
it.  It's nicely finished off (good sanding and shaping of the wood) and =
is
ready to take any wood stain you want.  I recommend them highly.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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Subject: Wrapping Suncatchers
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Message text written by Barbara
>                Can someone on the list explain to me how to wrap copper=

wire around pieces?<

Get some 16 or 18 gauge copper wire from a hardware or home improvement
supply store.  Lay the suncatcher down.  Locate a place on the suncatcher=

which is most inconspicuous, and place the end of the wire there.  Using
push pins, wrap the copper wire completely around the outside edge of the=

suncatcher, bending the wire to match the outline.  Cut the wire so that
there is no overlap.  Secure the wire to the suncatcher with multiple pus=
h
pins.  Solder each side until the wire is no longer visible.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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Hi all;
        A woman stopped by my studio the other day, and chatted about
stained glass.  She lives in Mexico City, and has just started a chapter of
stained glass artsists there.  I gave her my email number, and bungi
address, which I encouraged them to sign on too.  I suspect that she then
forgot, and just sent the letter to both addresses.  I have written to her
to ask that future posts be in english, or that she send them only to me,
and I can translate them.  I think it would be interesting for the group to
hear what is going on in Mexico.  Since Albert  beat me  to the translating,
I will just hit the highlights again.                         meg

_-----------------------------------------------------------

This appears to be their bulletin # 4

As we have said, independent of what branch of glassworing we arein, wewould
all lie tosell our work. To explain the possiblities of selling our work in
the USA,  we have invited Julio Cesar Alonso  from Handicrafts Products of
the Americas, to tell us about the services he offers.

The rest of the agenda is as follows:

1. project: glass magazine
2. Project: experimental glass workshop
3. A promocional event

They are inviting everyone to go to San Miguel de Allende between Sept.
13-16 to help Ana Thiel in the  making and starting of a glass oven which
will take 160 kg.  glass.  (to pour out in sand molds)  Peter Keough,
Canadian artist and Univ. Prof. designed the oven and will be there to
oversee the work .... at the end of the letter they give a  list of  hotels
and  telephone #'s.

condolences for the death o f Ana Thiel's father,  and the family of  Carlos
Alberto Ramirez who also died.

 The events   organized by chamber of commerce- glass   seccion, (  a talk
on uv glass glue and   a  trip  to a glass factory )    went well,  and t
hey  will   continue  to  keep us  informed.

Glassat    '98 a comercial show of glass manufacturers is programmed for the
World Trade Center from the 4-6 of March '98

The second meeting of the Nacional visual arts '98  -  will be in Dec

New Glass Review 19 -competition/ The corning Museum of glass  (Dec. '97)

Their email address is aav.ac@usa.net  with Kathy Harvey  they hope to have
a homepage soon.

Then there is a paragraph about how to become a member of their group.

There is a list of their officers, and their phone #'s

Hope this clarifies things a bit.... Cheers, Meg






Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
apdo. 24-5655
Monteverde, Puntarenas
COSTA RICA

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> As we have said, independent of what branch of glassworking we are in, we would
> all lie to sell our work. 

Meg, I appreciate your work on translating and, I agree, we should know
what is going on around the world in our art...but I couldn't resist
smiling when I read the first line! ;-)
LJ
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We all knew that eventually this would be figured out.  Meg this is so nice
that you invited a friend in and you can help translate, now she will be
totally confused about the way this chat works better explain it to her.
deb

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Barbara wrote:
> 
> Hi to all,
>                 I was in a glass shop a few days ago and during a
> conversation re: sun catchers the owner of the shop mentioned that sun
> catchers should be wrapped with copper wire because of their irregular /
> angular outside shapes.  This is something that I have not done before but I
> did like the finished look of the sun catchers in her shop.
>                 Can someone on the list explain to me how to wrap copper
> wire around pieces?  I would really appreciate your advice.  Thanks in advance,
> 
> Barbara
> 
> Barbara J. Snell
> Manager, Balch Dining
> Dept. of Campus Life, Cornell
> bjs10@cornell.edu
> 
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you can do that, but o found refoiling it in a slightly larger foil is
easier to do. and it's not nessecery on all sun catchers just the
flexible ones. 

for wire, you'll need to find a thin gauge, it will have to be thin
enough to hide under the solder bead. but fat enough to support the
strenghten the sun catcher. put flux on the edge, tack the wire down
(prefferably on a inside corner). then bend some of the wire, conforming
it to the edge of the piece. after tacking, you'll need to hide the wire
with more solder, with a bead. 

i always found that a pain to do, i have done it on occasion though. and
it's neater that putting a thick wire across the back side. but i could
never get the wire buried enough, and never looks as good. for most
suncatchers i'll put a little extra solder in the inner joints, that
helps a bit.

---Mike Savad

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I have a similar situation going in my studio.  I found a local artist
that is exceptional at glass painting and i have worked out a deal with
him to teach a class.  The class will cost $75, $50 is mine and $25 to
the teacher, the students are offered a starter kit at 25% discount off
retail (all those sales are mine) and I am paying the teacher $15 per
hour to do the class, which will be 12 hours total.  Plus, I am
promoting the class and providing the kiln and space for 10 students. 
Our first class will be next month so too early to tell if it's a
success, but already have 6 people signed up.  

My 2 cents ......

Mike Peck
Summit stained Glass





Debbie Ballog & Michael Hinckley wrote:
> 

> 
> Debbie is negotiating with the owner of a stained glass studio who wants to
> expand (in a tentative sort of way) into hot glass. Debbie will provide the
> kiln for the class (and sell it to the studio owner at a discount if she
> wants), provide the glass and training materials and teach the class. We're
> going to ask the studio owner to provide space in her shop, do the
> promotion and provide a few incidental supplies. There will be 4 to 6
> students.
> 
> This is the first time Debbie has done anything like this, and we're not
> sure what kind of split-up of the "tuition" is standard. We are really at a
> loss about this. We would appreciate any comments or suggestions you can
> offer about this.
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Good luck on the class. As a Certified NRA (pistol shooting) instructor =
I have set up classes and would like to offer a suggestion or two. Make =
the cost of your class priced low enough to appeal to the masses but =
high enough so that folks know you have something to offer. Looks like =
you have that covered.

Most importantly, I have found, is to be sure that people pay all or =
part of the cost up front (non-refundable unless for a very good =
reason). Otherwise some folks just don't seem to follow through. I have =
turned people away and ended up with only half of those who registered =
show up the first class. But when I charge more and get a deposit, =
almost everyone who signs up, shows up. That way I can count on what =
materials and space I will need.

Just my 2 cents.

Linda Campbell


Mike said:
----------
MikeMik
Our first class will be next month so too early to tell if it's a
success, but already have 6 people signed up. =20

My 2 cents ......

Mike Peck
Summit stained Glass





Debbie Ballog & Michael Hinckley wrote:
>=20

>=20
> Debbie is negotiating with the owner of a stained glass studio who =
wants to
> expand (in a tentative sort of way) into hot glass. Debbie will =
provide the
> kiln for the class (and sell it to the studio owner at a discount if =
she
> wants), provide the glass and training materials and teach the class. =
We're
> going to ask the studio owner to provide space in her shop, do the
> promotion and provide a few incidental supplies. There will be 4 to 6
> students.
>=20
> This is the first time Debbie has done anything like this, and we're =
not
> sure what kind of split-up of the "tuition" is standard. We are really =
at a
> loss about this. We would appreciate any comments or suggestions you =
can
> offer about this.
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Glenna Rand wrote:
> 
> [In the message entitled "RE: patinas necessary?" on Aug 14,  7:12, Linda Campbell writes:]
> 
> > What is semi-chrome?
> 
> It is spelled "Simichrome polish"
> It is a polishing paste.  After I clean my project very well I use
> this sparingly to give even more of a shine to the solder lines. Then
> I finish with a finishing compound to help seal it.
> 
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well, i was close, i got the chrome part right anyway... :)

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In a message dated 97-08-15 10:56:33 EDT, you write:

> Dariece
I noticed you are from houston I live in a very tiny town about 3 hours from
houston, beaumont is the closest we have for a big town with only 2 glass
shops, one is so tiny there is not much of a selection.  the other is a nice
shop with a lot of glass but his prices I think are a little too high (maybe
I am comparing too much to what I can buy in a catalog) and the owner
(usually hte only person in there) is a little tooo friendly.  Can you
recomend any glass stores in your area I do go there every once in a while. 
deb
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Hi!  I have been following the recent discussion about reinforcement
with a lot of interest because I am going to make a window for a 100
year old solid wood door in a Victorian home, and I know it must be
reinforced.  It is not the main door, but it gets some use.  It is 4'
long by 2' wide.  The owner wants to use a pattern from the English
Muffle book, so steel rebar would be very appropriate.  But I have not
installed rebar before, and am hesitant to cut slits into the moulding
and the door for the placement of the rebar.  My questions:

1.  Is brass hearted lead as good as steel rebar for this situation?  I
have been told that it is not, the steel rebar should be used.  :(

2.  There is nice wood moulding, about 3/4" wide that stops the window
in on both the inside and outside of the door.  Do I have to cut all the
way through the moulding where the rebar will go into it, and then do I
have to have the rebar extend past the moulding and into the door
itself?  If so, how far?  

Please, if anyone could give me some advice on how to install a window
with steel rebar on it, I would be very appreciative.  This is starting
to keep me up at night!  :)  Also, there may have been a book mentioned
on this list that deals specifically with reinforcement.  If you know
the title and author, please let me know.  Thanks very much, Joni

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Good luck on the class. As a Certified NRA (pistol shooting) instructor =
I have set up classes and would like to offer a suggestion or two. Make =
the cost of your class priced low enough to appeal to the masses but =
high enough so that folks know you have something to offer. Looks like =
you have that covered.

Most importantly, I have found, is to be sure that people pay all or =
part of the cost up front (non-refundable unless for a very good =
reason). Otherwise some folks just don't seem to follow through. I have =
turned people away and ended up with only half of those who registered =
show up the first class. But when I charge more and get a deposit, =
almost everyone who signs up, shows up. That way I can count on what =
materials and space I will need.

Just my 2 cents.

Linda Campbell


Mike said:
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MikeMik
Our first class will be next month so too early to tell if it's a
success, but already have 6 people signed up. =20

My 2 cents ......

Mike Peck
Summit stained Glass





Debbie Ballog & Michael Hinckley wrote:
>=20

>=20
> Debbie is negotiating with the owner of a stained glass studio who =
wants to
> expand (in a tentative sort of way) into hot glass. Debbie will =
provide the
> kiln for the class (and sell it to the studio owner at a discount if =
she
> wants), provide the glass and training materials and teach the class. =
We're
> going to ask the studio owner to provide space in her shop, do the
> promotion and provide a few incidental supplies. There will be 4 to 6
> students.
>=20
> This is the first time Debbie has done anything like this, and we're =
not
> sure what kind of split-up of the "tuition" is standard. We are really =
at a
> loss about this. We would appreciate any comments or suggestions you =
can
> offer about this.
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Hi Barbara:  Wrapping wire around suncatchers is not difficult but is time
consuming.  Let me try to explain the process.  First use 22 or 24 gauge
copper wire.  Cut off a length that will go around the suncatcher and
stretch the wire.  This will eliminate all of the kinks and keep it from
stretching further if stressed by weight.

I use two glue clamps to keep the suncatcher upright and tack solder the
wire around the outside edges.  Then I go back and very tediously fill in
the space with solder.  The solder will cover the wire and make a nice
finish.  The reason I use the 22 or 24 gauge copper wire is so it will
bend nicely around even the most uneven edges and points of a suncatcher.

Hope this helps,  
Peggy

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I have about 40 Ostrich Eggs that are infertile and blown out.  I also
bought a dremel to carve the eggs and some have toe-nail holes in them so I
need to cut out parts that I will slump glass to fit to enhance the design.

The problem is....I do not seem to be able to find the right tools or
instructions fit for a beginner in Egg Art.  I have visited many web
sights, drove the Libraian nuts and still can't find "how-to's" for the use
of tools on eggs and painting or staining.  I hate to miss this opportunity
to expand my stain glass medium, slumped glass would be beautiful and I
have never seen it done.   I also got hold of the Dremel People and they
have not offered any suggestions.  I think they think I'm nuts, so I must
be   on  the right track!

Any help will be appreciated and if I get any information I would love to
share it....There is room for all in this experiment.
Thanks for your help,
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Where would one purchase Simichrome polish, a stained glass product
retailer or elsewhere?

Thanks,

Ellen Raper, Raleigh, NC
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[In the message entitled "Simichrome polish" on Aug 15, 12:22, Ellen Raper writes:]
> Where would one purchase Simichrome polish, a stained glass product
> retailer or elsewhere?
> 

Any stained glass retailer should carry it.



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DSK
Are your going to put the egg in the kiln and attempt to slump glass into 
or over the egg?  Believe your egg will burn up at 1000-1300 degrees.  
Might want to try with a chicken egg first.  I guess I do not understand 
exactly what result your are looking for.  Suzanne

I have about 40 Ostrich Eggs that are infertile and blown out.  I also 
bought a dremel to carve the eggs and some have toe-nail holes in them so I 
need to cut out parts that I will slump glass to fit to enhance the design.
     
The problem is....I do not seem to be able to find the right tools or 
instructions fit for a beginner in Egg Art.  I have visited many web 
sights, drove the Libraian nuts and still can't find "how-to's" for the use 
of tools on eggs and painting or staining.  I hate to miss this opportunity 
to expand my stain glass medium, slumped glass would be beautiful and I 
have never seen it done.   I also got hold of the Dremel People and they 
have not offered any suggestions.  I think they think I'm nuts, so I must 
be   on  the right track!
     
Any help will be appreciated and if I get any information I would love to 
share it....There is room for all in this experiment.
Thanks for your help,
DSK                                                        
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I make a mold and slump the glass separate from the egg and then foil and
apply.  It is an inlay process and works quite well on many mediums.  There
are things I can not use foil so simple came works well also but is too
think for eggs.  The shell of an Ostrich egg is very thick, often thicker
than my glass.   I will play with some glues on broken eggs.    It is not
difficult to work with the glass,  it is the carving on an egg shell that
is new.  The cuts are on curves and small.  I did find a sight called
Turbo-carver located in Oregon.  It has pictures of eggs using their tool
and dental burrs so my research may have paid off.  I also think that using
glass as accents like on a horse carriage or molded horses pulling a egg
carved carriage would be beautiful.  I just hate to waste materials and
have lots of small pieces of glass and lots of eggs.
The phone number for Turbo-Carver is (503) 622-4387,
www.morenet.com/ultraspeed.
Hope this helps you understand.
Thanks
DSK
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> From: Jill_Camp@sbpt.com
> To: karber@ezin.net
> Subject: RE: How To Learn What Tool To Use
> Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 4:49 PM
> 
> 
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Harold & Sue Karber[SMTP:karber@ezin.net]
> > Sent: 	Thursday, August 14, 1997 7:42 AM
> > To: 	dremelcs@execpc.com
> > Subject: 	Re: How To Learn What Tool To Use
> > 
> > I just bought a dremel with 5 speeds and am trying to learn how to use
> > it
> > to cut and carve Ostrich Eggs.  It has been frustrating and I can not
> > find
> > any instructions that are detailed enough for a beginner.  I have done
> > stain glass for years and use a scroll saw and jig saw regularly so do
> > love
> > my tools.  Hand carving just takes too long and I would love to learn
> > more
> > about how to best use my dremel but after yesterday It is a wonder it
> > is
> > not in the trash.  I have read every word in the information booklets.
> > Is
> > there something I can aquire to learn?  Thank you very much.
> > Sue Karber
> > 
> Sue Karber:
> 
> To carve any type of egg we would like to refer you to a company by the
> name of Golden Egg.  To request a copy of their catalog please call
> their toll free number, 1-800-828-2823.  You may purchase from Golden
> Egg, directly from Dremel, your local hardware or home center.
> 
> Due to the fact that Dremel tools and accessories have so many different
> applications Dremel does not publish books for eggery.  For further
> information on eggery work please contact local colleges or reference
> your local library.
> 
> Thank you for your inquiry and interest in Dremel products.
> 
> Jill/Dremel Customer Service
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I need to add I have contacted my colleges and libriaries and everyone
else.  I can find lots of pictures and lots of others work in similar areas
but the secrects that make a  fine product and safety and saving
flustration is not readily available, even products to purchase to do the
job right.  Maybe that is why SG people are so special.  They share how-tos
and care knowing that the only real competition is ourselves.  No two
artists can do things exactly alike...so sharing, giving helps all to grow
and advance the arts we so dearly love.   Many are not professionals and
never will be, they  just love to create and enjoy the beauty of their
labor.
Off the soap box,  thank you for your replies and I hope to lay an egg soon
on the internet so you all can see how the experiment went.  I have to
learn how to send a picture.
Thank you,
DSK
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I told you stained glass people are the best, but everyone knew that
already.  A lady is sending me a catalog and a beginner's book which will
answer most of my needs.  I tried to send her the cost of both and she said
if I liked them and wanted to keep them then send her back her investment
and postage, which I will gladly do. It is going to be hard to wait for the
snail mail but it is coming. 
Thank you all for being so nice,  I can use any additional suggestions.  I
think that my next area will be to design and make foundations out of glass
or bases for the eggs, maybe even separators for small jewelry boxes, or
backgrounds for the inside from suncatchers or night light patterns....I
guess I have plenty to do until the books arrive.
Thanks again,
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is it just AOL or is there a reason that I don't seem to be getting all the
mail sent from bungi, I can tell by some of the times and dates I'm missing
some things I hate to have to go to the archives everyday to see it would
defeat the purpose of this e mail chat
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     I was wandering through the various glass manufacturers websites -- 
     Spectrum (http://www.spectrumglass.com) has been updated.  Art Glass 
     Gallery has been expanded displaying many artists work.  Also you can 
     join their E-mail list -- they promise not to bombard you with 
     messages or advertsiing, but will keep you informed of new products, 
     programs, freebies, etc.
     
     I am impressed.


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Hi Barbara:
Once again Flex-Bar can be used in place of wire. It's a braid, much
like Soder Wick. Alot easier to use than wire! Can be used for
reinforcement, suncatchers, and lamps. It's great stuff. All you do is
lay it where you want it and solder.
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Hello all.....
                Thanks for all of the suggestions re: wrapping sun
catchers...  Today I went shopping, got some copper wire, 24 gauge .... and
wrapped my new sun catcher.  I am going to look for Flex-bar and try it as
well.  I also tried the "rope" trick suggested by Bob Duchesn.  I don't have
an electric hand drill so I used a crochet hook..... slipped it through the
eye hook and spun it around with my finger  and .... walaaa .... copper
rope!  Now I can use it for some decorative ideas that I have.  Thanks to
all who responded .... 

Barbara J. Snell
Manager, Balch Dining
Dept. of Campus Life, Cornell
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Joni wants info on reinforcing a SG window 2' X 4' in a door. Try 
this.

I use a lot of brass reinforced lead came in my work, have never had 
a failure that I know of and would most likely select it for this 
window. The 1/4" brass reinforced came is quite strong and bends 
around glass without much problem. It is not necessary to use this 
came for the entire window, just select a few long runs as the 
pattern permits or modify the pattern as necessary. It is important 
to cut the glass with a mind toward the thicker heart of the 
reinforced lead. Somewhere I heard that this came was five times as 
strong as regular lead came. I believe it.

Do not know of a current book that covers the proper use of steel 
rebar. Try the library. It is important to carry the rebar to the 
frame and this often requires some notching of the woodwork.

You might also consider installing a piece of tempered glass on the 
closing side of the door.

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Thanks for your help.  I'll check them out.  Thanks to everyone else as
well.  I'll keep you updated on what I find out & eventually do.

At 07:25 PM 8/13/97, you wrote:
>Hi Amy!
>
>It sounds like you are looking for a product that is produced by Northern
>Hardwoods Framing.
>They are located in Minn. MN. Their wood products are of a good-excellent
>quality, however, 
>you'll have to finish and assemble. 
>
>Hope this helps.
>-Vernon
>
>At 10:14 AM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the
>>past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to
>>stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
>>
>>I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room
>>divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about
>>where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass
>>part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate student
>>so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
>>
>>If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has
>>advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
>>
>>Thanks, Amy     
>>
>>
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     I spoke with Northern Hardwoods and they faxed their Room Divider 
     Screens brochure.  
     
     We have been look for dividers made out of rosewood for Oriental 
     panels for years.  In the past have found old panels. refinished and 
     used.  They can make the panels out of any wood available.   If you 
     are able to buy at wholesale price is between $216 and $253.  The 
     rosewood will run $100.00 more.  They weigh 15-20 pounds depending on 
     the size, so allowing $1 a pound, shipping would add $15-$20.  
     
     We thank the bungi member who inquired about this item...order has 
     been placed our order!  Suzanne, Koi Glass Studio


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Thanks for your help.  I'll check them out.  Thanks to everyone else as 
well.  I'll keep you updated on what I find out & eventually do.
     
At 07:25 PM 8/13/97, you wrote:
>Hi Amy!
>
>It sounds like you are looking for a product that is produced by Northern 
>Hardwoods Framing.
>They are located in Minn. MN. Their wood products are of a good-excellent 
>quality, however, 
>you'll have to finish and assemble. 
>
>Hope this helps.
>-Vernon
>
>At 10:14 AM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote: 
>>Hi,
>>
>>Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the 
>>past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to 
>>stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
>>
>>I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room 
>>divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about 
>>where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass 
>>part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate student 
>>so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
>>
>>If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has 
>>advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
>>
>>Thanks, Amy     
>>
>>
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Harold & Sue Karber wrote:
> 
> I have about 40 Ostrich Eggs that are infertile and blown out.  I also
> bought a dremel to carve the eggs and some have toe-nail holes in them so I
> need to cut out parts that I will slump glass to fit to enhance the design.
> 
> The problem is....I do not seem to be able to find the right tools or
> instructions fit for a beginner in Egg Art.  I have visited many web
> sights, drove the Libraian nuts and still can't find "how-to's" for the use
> of tools on eggs and painting or staining.  I hate to miss this opportunity
> to expand my stain glass medium, slumped glass would be beautiful and I
> have never seen it done.   I also got hold of the Dremel People and they
> have not offered any suggestions.  I think they think I'm nuts, so I must
> be   on  the right track!
> 
> Any help will be appreciated and if I get any information I would love to
> share it....There is room for all in this experiment.
> Thanks for your help,
> DSK
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i think a dremel may be to large to hode on to. on a show "What's Your
Hobby", they had an egg carver. he used a dental drill with diamond
points to cut it out. he traced the pattern on the egg, then carefully
cut out the design. it was on the HGTV channel. they may be able to help
you, maybe a transcript from the show. http://www.hgtv.com

---Mike Savad

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Bryon, like Robert  has already said give Glastar a call they can supply you
with all the marerials that you need. There are two books on beveling that I
reccomend before you start one is by Vincent Fox the gentlman that taught me
beveling, It is called Glass Beveling this book gives you some history etc
and a lot of how to info. there is one other book by Anita and Seymour
Isenberg called How to work in Beveled Glass forming designing and
fabricating it is published by Chilton Book Co. in Radnor, Penn. Vinces book
was published byHidden House Publications. Both of these books may be
difficult to find but they are well worth it if you do decide that beveling
is something that you want to try. It takes awhile to get the hang of it and
to make a decent bevel, but I find it well worth the time and
effort.Beveler4aol.com P.S. if you have any questions drop me a line I'll be
glad to help you.
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> From:          YWAH36A@prodigy.com (MR ROBERT E DUCHESNEAU)
> To:            glass@bungi.com
> Subject:       Bevel  Machine
> Date:          Fri, 15 Aug 1997 00:39:49, -0500
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> Byron wants some info on beveling machines and prices. Try this:
> 
> The Glasrar Corp , (800) 432-5635) will send you information on their 
> products. Five years ago I bought the B12 twelve inch diamond grinder 
> for about $1,500.00 including a set of diamond disks. After a few 
> months use I bought a second unit to avoid changing disks so often. 
> Would have four machines if the volume of work justified it. Still 
> using the origional roughing disk after thousands of inches of 
> beveling. The machine is not advertised for inside curves, however, I 
> can work over the edge and produce bevels of about +5" radius. 
> Wonderful money making machine. They have a diamond router for about 
> $7,000.00 that I can not justify for my operation. Do use a Denver 
> Glass Machinery Studio beveler (cost about $3,000.00) for tight 
> inside curves. It took me a long time to start producing quality 
> bevels on this upright wheel machine.
> 
> If these prices put you off, check around to see if other studios 
> would welcome a source of bevels near them. I bevel for several other 
> studios and find that this volume justifies my outlay.
> 
> Do not have information on the smaller machines that have recently 
> come on the market. If they can produce a quality bevel, then any 
> extra time spent is likely to be offset in a smaller operation by the 
> low price. 
> 
> Grind on, Bob
> ----

 Thanks alot Bob for the info... The Glastar folks are sending me the 
info today.... I looked at some of those other disk type grinders and 
they just wont do what I need...

Byron...

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I agree with whoever told you that you need steel rebar, any time you work
with a door that is opening and closing frequently you must make the glass as
strong as possible. Having said that , the rebar can extend only into the
molding if that is all you can do, it is to give the window support from
gravity as well as from the constant jarring that it will suffer. Cut a small
notch into the molding where it will enter on both sides,( on the under side
of the molding that is ) and you can file the rebar to an angle so that you
do not ruin the look of the molding, just leave enough to give the window the
support that it needs. I have argued with many a customer that did not want
the rebar because they felt that it detracted from the beauty of the window
only to have them call me back to come and install the rebar after they
opened and closed the door a few times and watched the window sway to and
fro.Beveler4aol.com     just my two cents worthand then some.
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> installed rebar before, and am hesitant to cut slits into the moulding
> and the door for the placement of the rebar. 

Can't blame you for feeling that way, Joni, but if the supporting 
bars don't go into the mouldings, then the glasswork will be 
supporting the supporting bars, rather than the other 'way around.

> Also, there may have been a book mentioned
> on this list that deals specifically with reinforcement.  If you know
> the title and author, please let me know. 

Julie Sloan's "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" deals with 
the support of old windows at some length.  But since new windows are 
pretty much built the way they were built 100 - 150 years ago (not to 
mention 700 years ago), the same principles would apply.  You can 
read about that book at http://www.aiap.com/ ... the publisher's 
web site.

Albert
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> From:          Beveler4@aol.com
> To:            glass@bungi.com
> Subject:       Re: Bevel Machine
> Date:          Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
> Reply-to:      glass@bungi.com

> Bryon, like Robert  has already said give Glastar a call they can supply you
> with all the marerials that you need. There are two books on beveling that I
> reccomend before you start one is by Vincent Fox the gentlman that taught me
> beveling, It is called Glass Beveling this book gives you some history etc
> and a lot of how to info. there is one other book by Anita and Seymour
> Isenberg called How to work in Beveled Glass forming designing and
> fabricating it is published by Chilton Book Co. in Radnor, Penn. Vinces book
> was published byHidden House Publications. Both of these books may be
> difficult to find but they are well worth it if you do decide that beveling
> is something that you want to try. It takes awhile to get the hang of it and
> to make a decent bevel, but I find it well worth the time and
> effort.Beveler4aol.com P.S. if you have any questions drop me a line I'll be
> glad to help you.
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Thanks alot for the info... I'll see if I can find those books...
Byron...

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> From:          Beveler4@aol.com
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> one is by Vincent Fox the gentlman that taught me
> beveling, It is called Glass Beveling

> one other book by Anita and Seymour
> Isenberg called How to work in Beveled Glass 

Both of those are "available" from the Guild Library (address below) 
through Amazon.com Books, but both are also "hard to find," so there 
might be a wait of a few weeks for copies to be found.  Hope you find 
them.

Albert Lewis

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Harold & Sue Karber wrote:
> 
> The problem is....I do not seem to be able to find the right tools or
> instructions fit for a beginner in Egg Art.  I have visited many web
> sights, drove the Libraian nuts and still can't find "how-to's" for the use
> of tools on eggs and painting or staining.  <snip>
> DSK
> ----
Gidday from Australia, land of the Emu egg and other strange things....
we have lots of egg artists here. Can you tell me in simple words,
exactly what you need, for people who have no knowledge of glass (nor
wish to have LOL!!) so I can pass the question on to some people I know
to get info for you....
Take it easy
-- Catcha
Melanie Dunstan
in Perth, Australia
Encaustic Art:  http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cbooth/melanie.htm
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Do you have the address's to the sights I'm interested to "see" some
stones.
Melissa
Dariece Henley wrote:

> Hello. I have not yet sold any myself, but have checked out prices in
> the
> Houston area to be around $75 - $80. That was the typical range with
> 14"
> circle at lower end and hexagon at upper end. I have also found a site
> on
> the internet that had outragously expensive stones. I too am curious
> as
> to prices in other areas.
>
> Dariece
>
> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:13:20 -0400 jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey)
> writes:
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >       I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a neighbor
> >who
> >is moving and having a house built.  Pretty funny because she was all
>
> >excited over the "duds" in my yard.  Let this be a lesson:  Don't
> give
> >ALL your good stuff away.  The ones in my yard are my boo boos.  I am
>
> >strictly a hobbiest as being a mom is my primary occupation.  I told
> >her
> >they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She may
> >decide
> >she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money that
> >bad,
> >I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass
> >time
> >is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get to
>
> >the
> >point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because
> my
> >husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they
> >don't
> >go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of
> TUMS?)
> >
> >       Anyway..... Not to beat a dead horse because I think this was
> >discussed recently, but I wasn't paying attention since I wasn't
> >planning
> >on selling any, BUT would those of you who've sold some maybe e-mail
> >me
> >what you were able to sell them for.  If everyone's tired of hearing
> >about it, e- me privately at:
> >
> >                       jroey@juno.com
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jerri
> >
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Joni Tornwall wrote:
> 
> Hi!  I have been following the recent discussion about reinforcement
> with a lot of interest because I am going to make a window for a 100
> year old solid wood door in a Victorian home, and I know it must be
> reinforced.  It is not the main door, but it gets some use.  It is 4'
> long by 2' wide.  The owner wants to use a pattern from the English
> Muffle book, so steel rebar would be very appropriate.  But I have not
> installed rebar before, and am hesitant to cut slits into the moulding
> and the door for the placement of the rebar.  My questions:
> 
> 1.  Is brass hearted lead as good as steel rebar for this situation?  I
> have been told that it is not, the steel rebar should be used.  :(
> 

I haven't used the brass hearted came, but have looked at it and decided
not to use it.  It is not as rigid as the steel (or zinc) rebar, so from
a "quality" standpoint, I prefer to use stiffer rebar ...... which IMHO
is really the zinc rebar ...... it's the same dimensions as the steel
and takes solder much easier than the steel and doesn't rust.

> 2.  There is nice wood moulding, about 3/4" wide that stops the window
> in on both the inside and outside of the door.  Do I have to cut all the
> way through the moulding where the rebar will go into it, and then do I
> have to have the rebar extend past the moulding and into the door
> itself?  If so, how far?

I would suggest you use a 3/4 U came frame around your panel, then
attach the rebar across the panel so that only 1/4" overlaps the frame,
leaving 1/2" of the frame to slip into the mouldings.  I try never to
cut into mouldings, and since as you say this panel is only 2' wide,
this approach should suffice, but can't say for sure without seeing the
profile of the mouldings first hand.  If you need to cut into mouldings,
do it with a slot cutting tool, available at any tool rental, this would
give you a squared off (professional looking!)slot to slide the rebar
into.

Lastly, when using zinc or steel rebar, be sure to clean it THOROUGHLY
before soldering to the panel.  I pinch the bar between some medium grit
sand paper and sand it down to bare metal, or better yet, take it trough
a sandblaster.  Nothing more frustrating than to get it all soldered up,
then see your bar just pop off the back with the slightest amount of
pressure......


Good Luck,

Mike Peck
Summit Stained Glass
>
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Ellen Raper wrote:
> 
> Where would one purchase Simichrome polish, a stained glass product
> retailer or elsewhere?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ellen Raper, Raleigh, NC
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Motorcycle shops have lots of metal polishes .... including Simichrome.

Mike Peck
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Paragraphics also sells a high speed engraver that supposedly does
eggs (They will sell you eggs and everything).  The engraver is good
for glass, but is very expensive.  I believe they have a Web page,
but don't have the address at hand.

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I just installed a window in a door, and I also got the owner to put a door
closer on the door, especially since it was at a very windy site, and I
didn't want to risk the door slamming!! Meg


At 06:59 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree with whoever told you that you need steel rebar, any time you work
>with a door that is opening and closing frequently you must make the glass as
>strong as possible. Having said that , the rebar can extend only into the
>molding if that is all you can do, it is to give the window support from
>gravity as well as from the constant jarring that it will suffer. Cut a small
>notch into the molding where it will enter on both sides,( on the under side
>of the molding that is ) and you can file the rebar to an angle so that you
>do not ruin the look of the molding, just leave enough to give the window the
>support that it needs. I have argued with many a customer that did not want
>the rebar because they felt that it detracted from the beauty of the window
>only to have them call me back to come and install the rebar after they
>opened and closed the door a few times and watched the window sway to and
>fro.Beveler4aol.com     just my two cents worthand then some.
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Hi Ellen,
We stock Simichrome Polish (Cat. #580 - $5.25/tube). Please call toll-free or
leave your snail mail address.  We'll send you our free 64 pg. mail order
stained glass
supply catalog.  You might like to check our web page at
http://www.craftweb.com/org/glascrafts/glascraf.shtml 
Here you can obtain an email of our latest sales flyer, and get an overview
of
some of our stained glass product lines.  Thank you!
Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc.
398 Interstate Ct.
Sarasota, FL 34240
1-800-422-4552
1-941-379-8333
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Hi Ellen.  I have seen Simichrome polish in hardware stores and in antique
stores.  It isn't too difficult to find usually.  Good Luck,  Peggy

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Could you please send a copy of your current catalog to me too?
Address is on signature....Thanks ....Wayne


>Hi Ellen,
>We stock Simichrome Polish (Cat. #580 - $5.25/tube). Please call toll-free or
>leave your snail mail address.  We'll send you our free 64 pg. mail order
>stained glass
>supply catalog.  You might like to check our web page at
>http://www.craftweb.com/org/glascrafts/glascraf.shtml 
>Here you can obtain an email of our latest sales flyer, and get an overview
>of
>some of our stained glass product lines.  Thank you!
>Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc.
>398 Interstate Ct.
>Sarasota, FL 34240
>1-800-422-4552
>1-941-379-8333
>FAX: 1-941-379-8827
>GlasCrafts@aol.com
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Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507  Cell- (250) 720-7175
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Hello everybody...

I found this in my local paper.

"Extraordinary exhibit on glass draws raves"

At the Museum of Fine Arts of Boston there has been, and will be until
Jan. 11,98

It seems there several shows at once, "Glass Today by American Studio
Artists"
"Glass as Sculpture".
It says the exhibits have work of blown glass, painted plass,cast glass,
fused, ground and polished glass and fused glass fibers.  Sounds pretty
good eh?

I'm sure there's an entrance fee to the Museum itself, but nominal.

I'll be checking it out later this fall, and let you know what's up.

phil7

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Denver Glass Co. has reprinted Vince Fox's book Glass Beveling ... E mail me
if you need an address .
Etch 
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> Denver Glass Co. has reprinted Vince Fox's book Glass Beveling ... E mail me
> if you need an address .

Great news ... they should be sure to let Amazon.com Books know that 
the book's in print again. It's shown as "hard to find" at the 
moment.

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To: Philip McRae

Can you give us a contact phone # for the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston
hosting this glass show?  And/or do they have a web page?  Any informatio=
n
would be appreciated.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, Inc.
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Got a real chuckle out of the bottom of the 'About Amazon Books'

 > Copyright and disclaimer © 1996, 1997 Amazon.com, Inc.
> 
> Keep hands and feet inside Web site at all times. No electrons were harmed in the making of this Web site. Don't forget to read more books.
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Here's a site you might find interesting.

http://www.ihsstudios.com

There's even a stained glass desktop theme for Windows 95 with Plus!

Suzanne
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just a thought about reinforcing doors I have never done it but I'm thinking
that maybe the molding can be removed and then holes drilled into the opening
on one side deeper than nessecary then put your bar inplace mount the glass
and solder to the reinforcing bar in place then reinstall molding.  Am I way
out of line?
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Hi bungians,

I sure have enjoyed spending the summer with you.  My glass has improved from
your knowledge, and I LOLed a lot too.  I go back to teaching (art) on Monday
and during the school year I only get online once a week or so.  However,
I'll resubscribe for winter break.  I'll also occasionally visit the aol SG
chat.  I hope to meet some of you at the Vegas Glass Expo in the spring.

See ya in December,
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just a thought about reinforcing doors I have never done it but I'm thinking
that maybe the molding can be removed and then holes drilled into the opening
on one side deeper than nessecary then put your bar inplace mount the glass
and solder to the reinforcing bar in place then reinstall molding.  Am I way
out of line?
deb
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Hi bungians,

I sure have enjoyed spending the summer with you.  My glass has improved from
your knowledge, and I LOLed a lot too.  I go back to teaching (art) on Monday
and during the school year I only get online once a week or so.  However,
I'll resubscribe for winter break.  I'll also occasionally visit the aol SG
chat.  I hope to meet some of you at the Vegas Glass Expo in the spring.

See ya in December,
Mimi
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THANKS!!  This is great news.  I'm going to get in touch with NH.  Thanks
to everyone for all the help.  Amy  


At 01:52 PM 8/15/97 -0800, Suzanne Haley wrote:
>
>     I spoke with Northern Hardwoods and they faxed their Room Divider 
>     Screens brochure.  
>     
>     We have been look for dividers made out of rosewood for Oriental 
>     panels for years.  In the past have found old panels. refinished and 
>     used.  They can make the panels out of any wood available.   If you 
>     are able to buy at wholesale price is between $216 and $253.  The 
>     rosewood will run $100.00 more.  They weigh 15-20 pounds depending on 
>     the size, so allowing $1 a pound, shipping would add $15-$20.  
>     
>     We thank the bungi member who inquired about this item...order has 
>     been placed our order!  Suzanne, Koi Glass Studio
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Re: room dividers
>Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
>Date:    8/15/97 3:30 PM
>
>
>Thanks for your help.  I'll check them out.  Thanks to everyone else as 
>well.  I'll keep you updated on what I find out & eventually do.
>     
>At 07:25 PM 8/13/97, you wrote:
>>Hi Amy!
>>
>>It sounds like you are looking for a product that is produced by Northern 
>>Hardwoods Framing.
>>They are located in Minn. MN. Their wood products are of a good-excellent 
>>quality, however, 
>>you'll have to finish and assemble. 
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>-Vernon
>>
>>At 10:14 AM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote: 
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Let me introduce myself:  I have been involved with stained glass for the 
>>>past 2 years in Chicago & I'm loving it.  I was originally introduced to 
>>>stained glass by my father when I was a child (I'm 30 now).
>>>
>>>I have a quick question for y'all:  My next project is going to be a room 
>>>divider (3 panels), & I wanted to know if anyone has a suggestion about 
>>>where to purchase room divider "frames".  I'm fine with the stained glass 
>>>part of the project, but I don't do woodwork.  Also, I'm a graduate
student 
>>>so I doubt I could afford a custom job.  
>>>
>>>If anyone has suggestions about where to order this type of frame or has 
>>>advice about how to proceed with this project, I'd appreciate it.  
>>>
>>>Thanks, Amy     
>>>
>>>
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I sent this to myself so now I'm forwarding it
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I have a very slow computer and I was looking back in the archives of july I
thought I would kinda get aquainted with everything going on so I could keep
up.  well after about a half hour and still loading I got signed off as being
idle.  Well I did get to read some letters but have a fear of trying to do
that again, can someone tell me how the couple (in I think the UK ) are
faring with their niece.  She was at college in the art dept and maybe into
drugs.  I saw a few people had tried to help any update on them I hope they
have been able to get her some help they seemed like very caring people and I
had wanted to give them my support since I can't be much help
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Hi,

Could I also get the adddress for the reprint on the beveling book. What is
the cost of the book. Thanks.

Ted

>Denver Glass Co. has reprinted Vince Fox's book Glass Beveling ... E mail me
>if you need an address .
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Dear Deb and others

I posted an up-date a while ago. I know I have been very quiet 
lately - retreated into silent "lurking mode" for a little time. 
Never fear, I'm still there.

So is my niece in Australia;
Thanks to advice, guide-lines and info both on & off Bungi Group from 
a bunch of great people, we managed to track her down, get her 
on-line on a computer and thus "talk" to us daily.  We also managed 
to get on to the  councelling people at her College, to the medical 
team that SHOULD have spotted her problems earlier (but didn't). Yes, 
she had got on to some pretty nasty drugs. It was as a result of some 
medical problems she had experienced and some pretty awful and 
horrendeous advice she had chosen (in her inexperience and ignorance) 
to follow. She was a very troubled and frightened young soul, who 
felt very lost and very far from her family ( here in UK).  Her 
problems are far from over, but we are helping her to solve them one 
by one. It would be a greater achievement for her, if she  could feel 
that SHE is in control, rather than us going over there, "hoiking" 
her back to UK and US taking control over HER. That would have been 
the ultimate, extreme way of dealing with  the situation. We have 
also set up an on-line system for a couple of her friends, so we can 
"talk" to them as well and monitor the progress.  So I am on the 
computer about twice a day "talking" to her (I'm the only one in the 
family with  computer & Internet).
Thank you for asking. Thank you for caring. We are not out of the 
woods yet, but we now know which direction we need to go.  And a lot 
of it is due to people willing, able and caring to "chip in" with a 
jig-saw piece of information and help........

While I am on the subject, the "Bungi Oldies" will remember another 
of my crusades, namely that of my friend Susan who suffered such 
appalling health conditions at her work, that she became crippled 
with occupational asthma and had to take early retirement. Her 
condition was so bad, that she couldn't walk up and down her stairs 
at home. I moved her in with me and nursed her for about 3 years, 
physically carried her from A to B, spoon-fed her - and the rest of 
it. I then took on the legal challenge to manage a law-suit against 
her employer (She was Head of an Art Department at a Secondary School 
here in UK, i.e. pretty senior) . Old Bunginians will remember my 
quest for MSDS sheets for every substance that is used in a School 
Art Department. (UK doesn't have these things - it has legislation 
but NO information). It took me almost a year to gather all this 
together - mostly and mainly through the help of Bunginians (!!)

It took the Teachers' Union Lawyers 4 months to plough through the 
material I finally gathered.... It has taken a further 6 months for 
Susan to be handed from one medical specialist to another ( followed 
by the obligatory written medical reports).  Armed with all of that, 
the Union Lawyer (called a solicitor)  then has to approach the UK 
Law Courts and seek guidance from another (more senior)  lawyer 
(called a barrister) and who will actually conduct the official UK 
Court Presentation (pure Perry Mason stuff!!). Paid for by Public 
Funds. Today we have received a letter of final "blessing" for this 
process to go ahead. Such law-suits might be quite common in USA, 
they are pretty rare here in UK.
 I have said this before, I will repeat it again, Monona Rossol in 
USA has been an absolute champion! (She "lurks" too!!). So have many, 
many other "Bunginians". We are humans first, Deb,  and stained glass 
people secondly. In a Group like ours, the human aspects are bound to 
come through. Artists are very emotional beings anyway, that is 
precisely what makes them artists and often such akward creatures to 
understand...... Watch this law-suit!!!! Will keep you posted.
... and Thank you Deb.      Support IS help!!
Back to "lurking" mode....
Elisabeth 'n Toby  (who by the way,  has 4 legs   ;-)    )

Deb wrote:
I have a very slow computer and I was looking back in the archives of july I
thought I would kinda get aquainted with everything going on so I could keep
up.  well after about a half hour and still loading I got signed off as being
idle.  Well I did get to read some letters but have a fear of trying to do
that again, can someone tell me how the couple (in I think the UK ) are
faring with their niece.  She was at college in the art dept and maybe into
drugs.  I saw a few people had tried to help any update on them I hope they
have been able to get her some help they seemed like very caring people and I
had wanted to give them my support since I can't be much help
deb

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Elizabeth,
I am  glad that the situations are going forward in a plus mode.  If I =
and mine could help, leave me know.. My brother is a lawyer in the =
states and I can always ask..
Gloria from 3 Hounds

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Dear Deb and others

I posted an up-date a while ago. I know I have been very quiet=20
lately - retreated into silent "lurking mode" for a little time.=20
Never fear, I'm still there.

So is my niece in Australia;
Thanks to advice, guide-lines and info both on & off Bungi Group from=20
a bunch of great people, we managed to track her down, get her=20
on-line on a computer and thus "talk" to us daily.  We also managed=20
to get on to the  councelling people at her College, to the medical=20
team that SHOULD have spotted her problems earlier (but didn't). Yes,=20
she had got on to some pretty nasty drugs. It was as a result of some=20
medical problems she had experienced and some pretty awful and=20
horrendeous advice she had chosen (in her inexperience and ignorance)=20
to follow. She was a very troubled and frightened young soul, who=20
felt very lost and very far from her family ( here in UK).  Her=20
problems are far from over, but we are helping her to solve them one=20
by one. It would be a greater achievement for her, if she  could feel=20
that SHE is in control, rather than us going over there, "hoiking"=20
her back to UK and US taking control over HER. That would have been=20
the ultimate, extreme way of dealing with  the situation. We have=20
also set up an on-line system for a couple of her friends, so we can=20
"talk" to them as well and monitor the progress.  So I am on the=20
computer about twice a day "talking" to her (I'm the only one in the=20
family with  computer & Internet).
Thank you for asking. Thank you for caring. We are not out of the=20
woods yet, but we now know which direction we need to go.  And a lot=20
of it is due to people willing, able and caring to "chip in" with a=20
jig-saw piece of information and help........

While I am on the subject, the "Bungi Oldies" will remember another=20
of my crusades, namely that of my friend Susan who suffered such=20
appalling health conditions at her work, that she became crippled=20
with occupational asthma and had to take early retirement. Her=20
condition was so bad, that she couldn't walk up and down her stairs=20
at home. I moved her in with me and nursed her for about 3 years,=20
physically carried her from A to B, spoon-fed her - and the rest of=20
it. I then took on the legal challenge to manage a law-suit against=20
her employer (She was Head of an Art Department at a Secondary School=20
here in UK, i.e. pretty senior) . Old Bunginians will remember my=20
quest for MSDS sheets for every substance that is used in a School=20
Art Department. (UK doesn't have these things - it has legislation=20
but NO information). It took me almost a year to gather all this=20
together - mostly and mainly through the help of Bunginians (!!)

It took the Teachers' Union Lawyers 4 months to plough through the=20
material I finally gathered.... It has taken a further 6 months for=20
Susan to be handed from one medical specialist to another ( followed=20
by the obligatory written medical reports).  Armed with all of that,=20
the Union Lawyer (called a solicitor)  then has to approach the UK=20
Law Courts and seek guidance from another (more senior)  lawyer=20
(called a barrister) and who will actually conduct the official UK=20
Court Presentation (pure Perry Mason stuff!!). Paid for by Public=20
Funds. Today we have received a letter of final "blessing" for this=20
process to go ahead. Such law-suits might be quite common in USA,=20
they are pretty rare here in UK.
 I have said this before, I will repeat it again, Monona Rossol in=20
USA has been an absolute champion! (She "lurks" too!!). So have many,=20
many other "Bunginians". We are humans first, Deb,  and stained glass=20
people secondly. In a Group like ours, the human aspects are bound to=20
come through. Artists are very emotional beings anyway, that is=20
precisely what makes them artists and often such akward creatures to=20
understand...... Watch this law-suit!!!! Will keep you posted.
... and Thank you Deb.      Support IS help!!
Back to "lurking" mode....
Elisabeth 'n Toby  (who by the way,  has 4 legs   ;-)    )

Deb wrote:
I have a very slow computer and I was looking back in the archives of =
july I
thought I would kinda get aquainted with everything going on so I could =
keep
up.  well after about a half hour and still loading I got signed off as =
being
idle.  Well I did get to read some letters but have a fear of trying to =
do
that again, can someone tell me how the couple (in I think the UK ) are
faring with their niece.  She was at college in the art dept and maybe =
into
drugs.  I saw a few people had tried to help any update on them I hope =
they
have been able to get her some help they seemed like very caring people =
and I
had wanted to give them my support since I can't be much help
deb

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About the Vegas show.. Can anyone show or do you need to be a member of =
something.. I am actually making plans for this one in March.. What =
criteria do you need to go to that show.
Thanks
Gloria.




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Sent:  Monday, August 18, 1997 10:03 AM
To:  glass@bungi.com
Subject:  See ya at winter break

Hi bungians,

I sure have enjoyed spending the summer with you.  My glass has improved =
from
your knowledge, and I LOLed a lot too.  I go back to teaching (art) on =
Monday
and during the school year I only get online once a week or so.  =
However,
I'll resubscribe for winter break.  I'll also occasionally visit the aol =
SG
chat.  I hope to meet some of you at the Vegas Glass Expo in the spring.

See ya in December,
Mimi
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Could you please send to me, also:
3hounds@usaor.net
Thanks
Gloria

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Hi,

Could I also get the adddress for the reprint on the beveling book. What is
the cost of the book. Thanks.

Ted

>Denver Glass Co. has reprinted Vince Fox's book Glass Beveling ... E mail me
>if you need an address .
>Etch 
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Barbara:
Let me know if you can't find that Flex-Bar. I carry it in my studio,
and everyone I've recommended it to raves about it. My e-mail address:
glasscat@infinet.com      or      glasscat@aol.com
Carolyn
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Subject: Re: Stepping stone prices?
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:15:43 -0500
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Hi there, 
I had to look up the sight again, but I found it and am still in shock
about the prices. The sight is at www.flinet.com/~steppingstone/   The
cheapest stone they have is $200.00. You can also look up other  places
by doing a search on the internet for "mosaic stepping stones".
Dariece
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:13:30 -0700 Melissa Thaxton
<mthaxton@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Do you have the address's to the sights I'm interested to "see" some
>stones.
>Melissa
>Dariece Henley wrote:
>
>> Hello. I have not yet sold any myself, but have checked out prices 
>in
>> the
>> Houston area to be around $75 - $80. That was the typical range with
>> 14"
>> circle at lower end and hexagon at upper end. I have also found a 
>site
>> on
>> the internet that had outragously expensive stones. I too am curious
>> as
>> to prices in other areas.
>>
>> Dariece
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:13:20 -0400 jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey)
>> writes:
>> >Hi everyone,
>> >
>> >       I've been asked about doing some garden stones for a 
>neighbor
>> >who
>> >is moving and having a house built.  Pretty funny because she was 
>all
>>
>> >excited over the "duds" in my yard.  Let this be a lesson:  Don't
>> give
>> >ALL your good stuff away.  The ones in my yard are my boo boos.  I 
>am
>>
>> >strictly a hobbiest as being a mom is my primary occupation.  I 
>told
>> >her
>> >they wouldn't be cheap, maybe $50 for a 14" round stone.  She may
>> >decide
>> >she doesn't want to pay that much, but hey, if I need the money 
>that
>> >bad,
>> >I'll go back to nursing.  I'm not giving my stuff away.   My glass
>> >time
>> >is pretty limited, and since it's my "fun", I don't want it to get 
>to
>>
>> >the
>> >point where it's a chore.  I'm probably only considering it because
>> my
>> >husband works for UPS, or doesn't as the case may be, and if they
>> >don't
>> >go back to work, I'm going to have to!  (Where's that bottle of
>> TUMS?)
>> >
>> >       Anyway..... Not to beat a dead horse because I think this 
>was
>> >discussed recently, but I wasn't paying attention since I wasn't
>> >planning
>> >on selling any, BUT would those of you who've sold some maybe 
>e-mail
>> >me
>> >what you were able to sell them for.  If everyone's tired of 
>hearing
>> >about it, e- me privately at:
>> >
>> >                       jroey@juno.com
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Jerri
>> >
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Could you please send to me, also:
3hounds@usaor.net
Thanks
Gloria

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Hi,

Could I also get the adddress for the reprint on the beveling book. What is
the cost of the book. Thanks.

Ted

>Denver Glass Co. has reprinted Vince Fox's book Glass Beveling ... E mail me
>if you need an address .
>Etch 
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About the Vegas show.. Can anyone show or do you need to be a member of =
something.. I am actually making plans for this one in March.. What =
criteria do you need to go to that show.
Thanks
Gloria.




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From:  LVbeatnik@aol.com[SMTP:LVbeatnik@aol.com]
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Subject:  See ya at winter break

Hi bungians,

I sure have enjoyed spending the summer with you.  My glass has improved =
from
your knowledge, and I LOLed a lot too.  I go back to teaching (art) on =
Monday
and during the school year I only get online once a week or so.  =
However,
I'll resubscribe for winter break.  I'll also occasionally visit the aol =
SG
chat.  I hope to meet some of you at the Vegas Glass Expo in the spring.

See ya in December,
Mimi
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> Can you give us a contact phone # for the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston
> hosting this glass show?  And/or do they have a web page?  Any informatio=
> n
> would be appreciated.

Christie,

According to the events listing at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com ... 

                    August 13,
                      1997 to
                    January 11,
                       1998
                                 "Glass Today by American Studio
                                 Artists" Dramatic trends in
                                 contemporary glass are showcased at
                                 the Henry and Lois Foster Gallery,
                                 Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.
                                 Seventy-five works in glass by 28
                                 American glass artists including
                                 internationally known regional
                                 artists like Howard Ben Tre, Carol
                                 Cohen and Sidney Hutter make up this
                                 celebration of glass as contemporary
                                 sculpture. For more information, call
                                 (617) 267-9300.

Albert


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Denver Glass Machinery 
2800 South Shoshone Street
Englewood, Co , 80110
303-781-0980 

I believe the price of the book is about $ 17.95 if I remember right 
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I see Al Lewis beat me to it.

If I can be of any help let me know.

Philip






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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT)
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thanks for the up date and I'm glad she is on the road to recovery,  I too am
looking for help but have yet to admit it all to myself (my husband is an
alcoholic) I have been on line about 2 hours tlaking with people and have
decided to goto a al anon meeting I was looking through mail to calm myself
down when your letter had me crying again more for the fact that there are so
many people willing to help
deb
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Dear Deb,
I havent been in your particular situation, but you will be in my thoughts,
I'm here if you just need someone to talk to.
Carla
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Subject: Re: Slow computers? - tell me about it!!  non glass.
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[In the message entitled "Re: Slow computers? - tell me about it!!  non glass." on Aug 19, 11:48, DMR74@aol.com writes:]
> thanks for the up date and I'm glad she is on the road to recovery,  I too am
> looking for help but have yet to admit it all to myself (my husband is an
> alcoholic) I have been on line about 2 hours tlaking with people and have
> decided to goto a al anon meeting I was looking through mail to calm myself
> down when your letter had me crying again more for the fact that there are so
> many people willing to help

Please do not use the glass list to continue personal conversations.
There is a way to edit the "to" address on all mail programs in order to
reply to an individual personally.  
This is strictly a "glass" list. 



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sorry glenna don't worry it won't happen again
deb
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I'm new to this glass group & there's a lot that's really helpful.  I want
to thank all of you again for the info on the room dividers.  Once I finish
the lamp I'm working on, I can't wait to jump in to the screen project.

As for the reprimand re: glass talk only:  

It seems clear that this is a group of people who love the artistry
involved in stained glass.  BUT, we are humans first.  Is it so terrible
that there is a personal edge to some of the on-line contact & dialogue we
engage in?  IMHO, I think that sharing is probably what gives stained glass
people their heart.  

Good luck Deb & Elisabeth!  

Glenna, I'm posting this to the group, but I'm also sending this one
directly 'TO' you.

Amy



At 09:00 AM 8/19/97 PDT, you wrote:
>[In the message entitled "Re: Slow computers? - tell me about it!!  non
glass." on Aug 19, 11:48, DMR74@aol.com writes:]
>> thanks for the up date and I'm glad she is on the road to recovery,  I
too am looking for help but have yet to admit it all to myself (my husband
is an alcoholic) I have been on line about 2 hours tlaking with people and
have
decided to goto a al anon meeting I was looking through mail to calm myself
down when your letter had me crying again more for the fact that there are so
many people willing to help

>Please do not use the glass list to continue personal conversations.
>There is a way to edit the "to" address on all mail programs in order to
>reply to an individual personally.  
>This is strictly a "glass" list. 
>-- 
>Glenna Rand
>gjr@bungi.com

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I have had someone ask me where they can purchase capiz shells for use in making
suncatchers and I don't have a clue.  Anybody else know?

(I don't even know about the feasibility of using them, I just thought I'd pass the
question along, try and help someone out....)

Thanks!

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The Boston Museum of Fine Arts does have a Web Page.  I suspect it's
either www.mfa.com  or  www.mfa.org   (It's the mfa I'm sure about...
I need to write these things down.)
Leaving for PA tomorrow to do some vacationing before going to Allentown
and Warner-Criv.  Got plenty of bungi cords in the car!
Dorothy

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Was wondering if I could get some feedback about using credit cards at
shows?  Do you find it does sell more merchandise if you can offer cards
and what experiences you have had with different companies?  Thanks in
advance for any advice. dee
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Thank you Elizabeth for the up-date on your situation.  Although I am mostly
a lurker to the bungian group, it is quite enjoyable to learn, not only
 stained glass, but about the bungians themselves.  Keeping us  abreast of
the  happenings  is thoughtful, of you, and satisfying to us ( or me) in
knowing how  a  situation is progressing.  

Being one of the "oldies" I had  wondered about your art teacher friend and
how  your struggle  was going, in obtaining the necessary information .
 Again, thank you for keeping us informed, with  lots of good wishes being
sent for a happy conclusion in both situations....(along with a hug for Toby)


                                       Lavergne
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Check out  http://www.gdn.net/~dc This site has 10 industrial glass 
beveling machines for sale. Many like in Vincent Fox's book Glass 
Beveling. The discreptions are very informative.
I have zero personal interest or direct knowlege  in the offerings at 
this site and recommend it for general information only.
Grind on, Bob
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DMR74@aol.com wrote:

> that maybe the molding can be removed and then holes drilled into the opening
> on one side deeper than nessecary then put your bar inplace mount the glass
> and solder to the reinforcing bar in place then reinstall molding.  

I would like to thank everyone for their wonderful advice in response to
my steel rebar question.  I have given each piece of advice a lot of
thought and consideration.  I think we are going to have the window
installed by a building preservation person, and I will watch the first
time.  I am just not confident enough to do this since I have never seen
it done.  I would really hate for the window to come flying out the
first time someone slams the door and crack someone in the head!  :) 
Maybe someone could comment on the issue of liability when one is making
and installing stained glass windows.  Is there such a thing as
liability insurance for professional stained glass artists?  If one can
sue for the coffee being too hot at McDonald's then I'm sure they could
sue for a window that breaks and causes injury.  

Deb, about the question of installing the rebar first, then the window,
I was told that it would be very difficult to do it that way because the
solder would drip and run -- that the rebar needs to be put on the
window when it is laying flat.  Thanks again, Joni

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Hi, just received a E-Mail from a douglas wiggins at teleport.com and he
claims to have made a link to my page?  But I couldn't find it or open it.
I copy here the text.............
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have just completed updating my page with your link at
www.teleport.com/~zoron/glass.html, and sending this message to you is
the last of the checks I will do before making it publicly accessable -
I have already checked the link to make sure it works.

If you would like for it to say anything different from what I have
already put there, let me know - it may take me as long to make the
change as it did for me to put the link there in the first place, but it
will get done eventually (assuming you want for it to be changed).

Good luck.

-douglas wiggins
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know, this Summer has been really behind, I am still trying to get
everything together, so hopefully soon.  That is, the text and some other
photos for the web page.   Ed hoy has me really busy this summer, I just did
his customer appreciation day last Sunday, what a zoo!  Will be putting
together more samples for the customers and instructions on application of
the decals.  Also agreed to teach a fusing class at a local stained glass
studio in November, have the Enamelists Convention in Mid-Oct.at Arrowmont,
and the Glass Craft Conference end of Oct. here in WI.. All this along with
two sets of aging parents in different directions all needing misc. help.
Clarence is out of his cast from his surgery on his right hand, degenerative
arthritis.  Bad for a dentist, but can't use it for another month or
possibly longer.  Won't probably ever work again.  But can pick beans, cook
a bit all left handed, so keeps up with somethings around here.

Let me know if you are aware of douglas wiggins...Thanks, Pat
"Eagles may soar. But weasels aren't sucked into jet engines"

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Amy wrote
<< As for the reprimand re: glass talk only:  
 
 It seems clear that this is a group of people who love the artistry
 involved in stained glass.  BUT, we are humans first.  Is it so terrible
 that there is a personal edge to some of the on-line contact & dialogue we
 engage in?  IMHO, I think that sharing is probably what gives stained glass
 people their heart.  
 
 Good luck Deb & Elisabeth!  
 
 Glenna, I'm posting this to the group, but I'm also sending this one
 directly 'TO' you.
  >>

Right on Amy! You took the words right out of my keyboard!!!

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[In the message entitled "Re: Slow computers? - tell me about it!! non glass." on Aug 20, 20:24, Glasbug@aol.com writes:]
>  
>  It seems clear that this is a group of people who love the artistry
>  involved in stained glass.  BUT, we are humans first.  Is it so terrible
>  that there is a personal edge to some of the on-line contact & dialogue we
>  engage in?  IMHO, I think that sharing is probably what gives stained glass
>  people their heart.  
>  
>  Good luck Deb & Elisabeth!  
>  
>  Glenna, I'm posting this to the group, but I'm also sending this one
>  directly 'TO' you.
>   >>
> 
> Right on Amy! You took the words right out of my keyboard!!!

Well if 330 people start sharing their lives with the list then there is
no point having a "glass" list!  Stay on the topic folks and use other forms
of communications for personal notes.


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Hi all -

When I joined the group back in
February, I didn't know how this
whole chat thing worked, but
after a few months, figured out
that two mysterious people
named Dave and Glenna
Rand supply the space and
administrative efforts that allows
us all to yack with one another
across the world about glass.
They do it out of the goodness
of their hearts (or insanity, I'm
not sure which!) and also supply
the MB's for the International
Guild of Glass Artists to have
their home page and all of the
members' "show and tell"pages.
Pretty generous folks I would
say.  Since I joined bungi, I've
"met" lots of neat people, gotten
tons of good technical advice,
e-mailed off-line to many on
subjects not related to glass,
talked to people on the phone, =

and today had another bungi
member stop in my shop to
commission some glass painting!
I've had some great experiences
and met some wonderful people
because of this forum.  So to
balance the criticism, let me =

take this opportunity to publicly
thank Dave and Glenna for =

their generosity.  I and probably
hundreds more bungians appreciate
you.  Thank you.

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
603 W. Colorado Ave.
Colorado Springs, CO  80905

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Glenna Rand wrote:
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> Well if 330 people start sharing their lives with the list then there is
> no point having a "glass" list!  Stay on the topic folks and use other forms
> of communications for personal notes.
> 
> --
> Glenna Rand
> gjr@bungi.com

I belong to other mailing lists, and some 'off-topic' chatting does go
on, but I would advise anyone that the Internet is not a place to hang 
out your laundry. There are other ways for people to read/intercept
mail, besides subscribing to this list - are you sure that your personal
life should be read by an unestimatable number of people?? If you want
to share what might be embarrasing details, do it by privately addressed
email. 
If you are posting something that is not glass related, but might be of
interest to others on this list, make the subject 'NGC' - an acronym for
NO GLASS CONTENT, and those who don't want to read it can delete it.
My apologies  to Glenna if I am speaking out of turn, I'm just trying to
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I just got back online so to speak.  So as to keep this forum for glass
please contact me at balloch@netbridge.net
I'm curious why only a few of us had email problems.  Those of you who did,
would you email me the computer info you had problems on.  My server did
not quite understand and this info might help him in the future.
And thank you Carol for helping my server get on the right track.
Shirley B
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Sorry, sent message to wrong place.  My apologies...Pat
"Eagles may soar. But weasels aren't sucked into jet engines"

THE TOPP SHOP & GALLERY, Works by DIACCA, Kiln worked glass bowls, plates &
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Dee:
That's an interesting subject you brought up. I went to the Baltimore
shown (AGSA) and was very disappointed to find only one vendor accepted
credit cards. I do realize the vendors took orders and would accept
cards for those orders, but there were quite a few instances where items
could be bought "on the spot", and I would have purchased quite a bit
more if they would have accepted credit cards. I don't like carrying
cash, and my business checkbook is one of those large ones which I don't
carry with me. (I have a business debit card which I use, but obviously
couldn't use that either.) Bottom line: I don't know about anyone else,
but I definitely spend more where credit cards are accepted. 
Carolyn
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I started taking credit cards (MC and Visa) in March.  My first show was a
big
home & garden show (convention center type of thing), and well over half the
sales were credit.  I've done two others since (one a crafts show, one an
outdoor
fair) and no credit sales there.

The trick is finding something affordable.  I got the service through my
local
bank where I have personal checking and business checking.  There's a $10 per

month minimum, and they take 3.75% (which offsets the monthly minimum) per
transaction.  Other than that, no fees.  Most of the "commercial" services I
contacted (look in the yellow pages under "merchant card processing") wanted
to fix me up with fancy online systems/cell phones/etc which adds up to big
bucks.  I now just have the old-fashioned "knuckle buster" (that's what they
call
it; I didn't make it up!) and make a phone call to authorize the charge.

- Marilyn Kaminski
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Glasbug@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Amy wrote
> << As for the reprimand re: glass talk only:
> 
>  It seems clear that this is a group of people who love the artistry
>  involved in stained glass.  BUT, we are humans first.  Is it so terrible
>  that there is a personal edge to some of the on-line contact & dialogue we
>  engage in?  IMHO, I think that sharing is probably what gives stained glass
>  people their heart.
> 
>  Good luck Deb & Elisabeth!
> 
>  Glenna, I'm posting this to the group, but I'm also sending this one
>  directly 'TO' you.
>   >>
> 
> Right on Amy! You took the words right out of my keyboard!!!
> 
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Yeah!! I agree!  There are other web sites for people who want strict
subject matter.  I hope this one never becomes one of those!
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Michael J. Greer wrote:
> 
> Hi all -
> 
> When I joined the group back in
> February, I didn't know how this
> whole chat thing worked, but
> after a few months, figured out
> that two mysterious people
> named Dave and Glenna
> Rand supply the space and
> administrative efforts that allows
> us all to yack with one another
> across the world about glass.
> They do it out of the goodness
> of their hearts (or insanity, I'm
> not sure which!) and also supply
> the MB's for the International
> Guild of Glass Artists to have
> their home page and all of the
> members' "show and tell"pages.
> Pretty generous folks I would
> say.  Since I joined bungi, I've
> "met" lots of neat people, gotten
> tons of good technical advice,
> e-mailed off-line to many on
> subjects not related to glass,
> talked to people on the phone, =
> 
> and today had another bungi
> member stop in my shop to
> commission some glass painting!
> I've had some great experiences
> and met some wonderful people
> because of this forum.  So to
> balance the criticism, let me =
> 
> take this opportunity to publicly
> thank Dave and Glenna for =
> 
> their generosity.  I and probably
> hundreds more bungians appreciate
> you.  Thank you.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dani Greer
> Greer Gallery & Studios
> 603 W. Colorado Ave.
> Colorado Springs, CO  80905
> 
> Web site  http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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Has anyone done the Christmas Craft Fair circuit?  I'm wondering what 
sells if anything.  For those who have done it was it a good experience?
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> From: NGranger <NGranger@Prodigy.Net>
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> Subject: craft fair
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 1:41 PM
> 
> Has anyone done the Christmas Craft Fair circuit?  I'm wondering what 
> sells if anything.  For those who have done it was it a good experience?

In what state?
Something new, something under $20, something anyone could decorate home or
apartment with, something easy to carry.
At christmas time you can sell more expensive items if very special, people
will splurge for a gift.
Being able to use credit cards will increase sales.
Expect to do a lot of work for little compensation.  So make your work look
like it took a long time.
Make sure you are the only one doing your product at the show.
Stay away from first annual and second annual unless they are very close to
home.
Booth appearance is as important as location location location is to real
estate. Think about appealing to the five senses. You want it to smell good
(be careful here some fragrances are offensive, at christmas you can't go
wrong with spices), have quiet non completing music going (OK this first
with the promoter), have a bowl of free candy and be sure kids ask mom
first, Invite people to touch some part of your product or booth, and of
course the most important is visual, Make your booth very warm and
inviting.  Remember you are the host or hostess to your booth. Welcome
people to it.  Never say negative things.  Make all statements postitive.
"How would you like me to wrap that for you?"  If you work (cut glass etc.)
during the show, when customers come, at the very least, look up and smile
and ask if you can help them.  
Corner booths are nice because they allow comfortable traffic flow for your
customers.
If you have budget for booth fees of $400 plus, then and only if you have a
new product, you should do well, if you consider $2000 profit good for 4 to
6 days of 12 hours a day.  If you do a large show.  People who wait in line
to pay $6.00 to get into the show and the promoters promise over 100,000
people then you should do fine.
If you stick to small shows, then make sure they are in an isolated
community where they have maybe 2 events a year and it is at least the 10th
annual year.
Otherwise you can pretty much bet on losing money.
And if you want to do shows the rest of the year and you are doing stained
glass.  Stay away from fair/carnivals.  Do only shows that promote crafts
and arts.  If arts and crafts are at the end of the list of things to do at
the event, stay away!
Also spring shows are very good.
And think about doing boutique style shows.  They charge a registration fee
of $5-25 and then usually 25%.  It can cut into your profits, but your
sales will be good.
Sorry I rambled.  Yes they are pleasant experiences.  You usually get
positive feed back about your product.  You get to see new places. And you
get to meet people with the same interests and the other vendors usually
share experiences, so it is great for networking.  In other words (when you
make a profit) it is a good experience.
Wish I could afford to go to Warner-Crivellaro next week end.  It sounds
like the best event of the year. I envy all of you who are going!
Shirley B 
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N Granger wrote:

>Has anyone done the Christmas Craft Fair circuit?  I'm wondering what
>sells if anything.  For those who have done it was it a good experience?

Shirley Ballock's answer was great - taught me a lot!

One more thing I would add - take a portfolio of your work, two if you 
have them.
People will page through it and you might get some commissions from it. 
Plus it keeps the interested people around your booth longer!

I also picked up a few new students there.





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Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
made? Thank you!

Dariece
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> Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
> burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
> made? Thank you!

"Burgandy" and "maroon" glasses would be fairly easy, in fact one of 
the easiest, although what you might consider "burgandy" or "maroon" 
might differ from what the maker thinks they are. Manganese, one of 
the most plentiful metals available as an oxide, produces a range of 
colors that would include "burgandy" or "maroon," so I suspect that 
while the makers might think they're producing colors in those 
ranges, you have a quibble with what *they consider "burgandy" or 
"maroon."  As for what colors cannot be made, that would be another 
subjective question. I think you'd have to first determine how many 
"colors" there are <g> since a computer monitor (for example) can 
represent (depending on its setting) as many as 16 million colors and 
a printer's PMS file would show thousands of colors of ink that can 
be applied right out of a can onto paper, not to mention that they 
could be *mixed! -- producing thousands upon thousands of possible 
permutations of those basic out-of-the-can colors. <s>

Even within a sheet of glass supposedly of a single color, there will 
be gradations and levels of intensity of that color, which is why 
most stained glass crafters often search out particular "bits" of a 
sheet to use in a design, a swirl of color or an intensity of the 
color that's needed for just a certain place in the design they're 
working on.

Given the almost impossibly wide range of colors that *could be 
produced, the manufacturers make up the colors and textures that are 
most in demand (since they're in business and want to sell the 
stuff), although from time to time one does see them creating odd or 
unusual glass to see how it'll go ... if it doesn't sell, they'll 
stop making it, of course.

Enuf from me on this. <s>

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I forgot to add only participate in juried shows.
Never go to flea markets or places that allow commerical products.  I know
never is strong but I feel that way about it.
Most of the good Christmas Shows are booked by May, so you might want to go
and check a few out for next year.
Also find out if the same artist/craftperson has been there year after
year.  Being a craftoholic myself, I give a product 3 years running then I
loose interest.  The first year I can't afford it.  The second year I have
budgeted for it and either buy it for myself or a gift and the third year I
buy it the other way around.
And share knowledge with your customer.  Spreading the wealth around, like
an inexpensive place to buy something usually ends up to your benefit.
Hope this has helped and you have fun and make money.
Shirley B
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> From: Dariece Henley <dariece@juno.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Burgandy Glass
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:20 PM
> 
> Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
> burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
> made? Thank you!
> 
Bull's Eye makes a nice burgandy/maroon.  It is not a solid color, is
streaked with white, but the maroons go from a light mauve to deep
beautiful burgandy,
Cline's in Portland, Or.  has these numbers on it.  121   C   and  7310  if
that helps?
I've never seen gold or silver.  Bull's Eye makes the neatest (I know, that
is right up there with gee wiz, but that's when and where I grew up)green
with what looks like gold glitter in it. Since they can make that, can they
make gold or silver? 
Shirley B
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:37:57 -0400
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The #1 reason this color "could not be made" is 
probably, wherever you buy glass does not want to 
carry that color; increase their inventory by
that color or believes no one else will buy it.

Some colors are more difficult to manufacture due
to the sensitivity of some chemicals.

Another issue is it is not possible to jump around 
manufacturing one color, then another.  There is a 
color sequence that is followed; light to dark.
For example black is the last color because it can
be almost any color.  As long as it is dense enough
light doesn't pass through then it will be black.

In a continuous process such as Spectrum's there is
a continuous melting and mixing of chemicals into
a flow of glass.  They can not make 317.1, then
317.6.  They have to make 317.1, t317.1, t317.2, 
317.2, t317.2, t317.3, 317.3 etc.  The 't's are the
transitional colors that are a necessary part of 
their manufacturing process.  This 't' glass is
heavily discounted in price and Spectrum requires
distributors to sell it as non-standard.  

My favorite color Spectrum made (years ago) was a
dark brown.  When we asked why it was discontinued
Spectrum said "to make one case of that color it 
was necessary to make ten cases of other "ugly" 
colors which were unsaleable".

BTW GlassVisions is this weekend, Sunday 
(Aug. 24th) factory representatives from the following 
glass manufacturers will be at Warner-Crivellaro:
	Spectrum Glass
	Youghiogheny Opal
	Armstrong
        Kokomo Glass
	Wissmach Glass
Ask them this question.  
We are distributors for all the above glass 
companies (and others) If you want to see anything 
they make we should have it as we stock their 
complete lines.

Don Abel from Morton tools will be here.

Rick Wiand from Inland (grinders) showing his
broad range of tools and solutions to glass needs.

Mark Wallace from Emerald Rainbow with their jigs
and the 'Scoreboard' recently bungians had 
questions about their products.

Software? Michael and Wendy from Dragonfly
will show the "Glass Eye" drawing software.

The bandsaw companies, the list goes on and on
Altogether we will have twenty-one major 
manufacturers answering questions and demonstrating
their products.

Charles Warner
Warner-Crivellaro


Dariece Henley wrote:
> 
> Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
> burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
> made? Thank you!
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HI! I suggest you take a course in glass painting,<enameling>.  Since I have
been an enameler for over 30 years, I really see the need for all you glass
art people to stop searching for the "right color" and just make it!
Especially if you are only looking for a small piece, why buy a large sheet
to only use a snipette of just the right shade?  
If you don't have a kiln for firing you can search your area and there must
be someone close by who has the expertise and knowledge.  Check with the
glass enameling instructors who teach all around the country, they probably
have students somewhere near you.
This is one reason I developed the Carefree Luster Decals.  As I can use
those glasses that I know are fusable and change them at will.  I also am
working on making decal sheets of Fusemaster enamels for glass.  So far the
tests need more work, but have been successful enough for me to use here in
the shop.  What I currently am experimenting with is using clear colorless
glass, applying the decals of transparent colored Fusemaster decals in
various shapes and patterns, firing and also combining them with the
carefree luster decals.  Really fun, and not a large inventory of stained
glass to have around the shop.  This gives a very unique appearance to my
work.  I will be photographing a really great piece using this technique <in
my spare time of course>.  Then will eventually get the web page together.
Web page: bungi.com/glass/igga/topp.....Well, yes,I am behind and there is
only two photos up at this point.  But if you look at the plate, it is made
up of only two colors of glass.  Medium green and a colbalt blue and the
colors you see were fired into the surface to give a rich and colorful
effect. Let me know what you think.
I really think that all stained glass work could be improved artistically if
YOU ALL had the option of "just the right color" that you need to finish
your panel, window etc..  As a creative person <my Father is an inventor> I
think ahead to vision the creative jucies flowing in all of your work, by
eliminating or removing the restrictions of the glass industry.  Use their
glass, but alter it to your own personal creative designs and personality.
..............Pat
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Yesterday I checked out the web page that someone had
referred to (can't remember the address offhand; sorry)
that was selling stepping stones for $200+.  

Not only are they waaay overpriced, IMHO, but they
are advertising "custom designs" -- and several of the
stones they show are straight out of the Tiffany
Garden book!  I really can't imagine someone paying
$50-$80 for a brick, either.

I'm dying to ask them if they sell much.  If so, it
may be worth moving to Florida ...

- Marilyn Kaminski
(happily settled in Colorado)
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> Yesterday I checked out the web page that someone had
> referred to (can't remember the address offhand; sorry)
> that was selling stepping stones for $200+.
> Not only are they waaay overpriced, IMHO, but they
> are advertising "custom designs" -- and several of the
> stones they show are straight out of the Tiffany
> Garden book!  I really can't imagine someone paying
> $50-$80 for a brick, either.
> I'm dying to ask them if they sell much.  If so, it
> may be worth moving to Florida ...

Marilyn...
I've found that it's mostly location! That's just a personal
observation, but a year ago I lived in Phoenix...they were quite willing
to pay $200 for a 16" hex stone. I now live near Tulsa, Oklahoma and
have never gotten more than $75 for the exact same piece. Go figure...
LJ 
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Hi All-

And while we're on the topic of
crafts fairs, should you happen
to be in beautiful Colorado at
the end of the month, don't miss
the 23rd annual Commonwheel
Artists Labor Day Arts & Crafts
Festival.  The Festival runs
Aug. 30, 31, and Sept. 1
10AM - 6PM daily.  If any of
you are one of the 100+ artists
in attendance, please stop by
the studio or call me.  It's just
great to meet fellow bungians!

Best regards,

Dani Greer

Greer Gallery & Studios
603 W. Colorado Ave.
Colorado Springs, CO  80905

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You can buy a great baroque in burgundy and clear.  Baroque also does a
heavily mirrored piece of glas that looks silver and is quite beautiful. 
There is an irridized glass that looks gold a rather dark gold that is nice
as well.  Sorry but I don't know names or #'s.

----------
> From: Josh Balloch <balloch@netbridge.net>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Burgandy Glass
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 8:42 AM
> 
> 
> 
> ----------
> > From: Dariece Henley <dariece@juno.com>
> > To: glass@bungi.com
> > Subject: Burgandy Glass
> > Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:20 PM
> > 
> > Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
> > burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
> > made? Thank you!
> > 
> Bull's Eye makes a nice burgandy/maroon.  It is not a solid color, is
> streaked with white, but the maroons go from a light mauve to deep
> beautiful burgandy,
> Cline's in Portland, Or.  has these numbers on it.  121   C   and  7310 
if
> that helps?
> I've never seen gold or silver.  Bull's Eye makes the neatest (I know,
that
> is right up there with gee wiz, but that's when and where I grew up)green
> with what looks like gold glitter in it. Since they can make that, can
they
> make gold or silver? 
> Shirley B
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Topp Shop & Gallery wrote:
> 
> HI! I suggest you take a course in glass painting,<enameling>.  Since I have
> been an enameler for over 30 years, I really see the need for all you glass
> art people to stop searching for the "right color" and just make it!
<snipped>
> think ahead to vision the creative jucies flowing in all of your work, by
> eliminating or removing the restrictions of the glass industry.  Use their
> glass, but alter it to your own personal creative designs and personality.


In a strict sense, "regular" Stained Glass by nature is restrictive; the
rigidity of glass and metals are combined in one creative effort. It is
for this reason, the artisan that is able to create a piece that breaks
those bounds, has in fact born a work of art. I believe that the desire
for creation and expression is intrinsic in all of us, so is the desire
for freedom. Stained Glass Artisans need to explore other artistic
mediums, such as enameling, to find the ways to break free from the
inheriant restrictions of the stained glass craft and enable us to grow
creatively. If you please, I have not seen any material on this
technique and I would like to hear more about the processes involved in
enameling on glass.

How are the enamels applied to glass? Dry? or with a vehicle such as gum
arabic? or sprinkled from a sifter through a stencil over wet hair
spray? I have heard about of all these methods of application, which are
worth exploring further? Thanks for your input!

-Vernon
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>How are the enamels applied to glass? Dry? or with a vehicle such as gum
>arabic? or sprinkled from a sifter through a stencil over wet hair
>spray? I have heard about of all these methods of application, which are
>worth exploring further? Thanks for your input!
>
>-Vernon
  Yes!  All of the above, air brush also. I even "paint" with vasoline,
stiff brush or Qtip and then sift (wear a mask) enamel over, then shake off
excess.  If you shake off excess onto a clean piece of paper, you can return
excess to jar.
The vasoline burns off pretty clear on most colors, sometimes leaves a
slight hase which is ok also. I started working with vasoline a few years
back, don't think anyone else has tried it except some metal enamelist I
talked to. 
There are many books out there on painting on glass, check out your library.
So much information I can't begin to answer you.  Read up, and get back to
me about any specific questions.  I am a metal enameler so am also just
experimenting with glass enameling.  It appears to be an even more complex
issue than metal, due to the complexity of the firing process.  I have
worked out several firing schedules that work for me, but it took many
disasters in the process, even yet!  But the application of enamels by use
of large decal sheets which can be cut and applied, really appeal to me, at
least for a background color. Having a great time just experimenting......Pat
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Dariece..Spectrum makes about 3-4 different shades of Burgundy/Marroon
glass. They have baroque. and different shades of water glass and my
favourite-- a Royal Purple water glass. There are probably many more but
thats all I can think of for now. Oh ya--They also have a purple/white
cathedral---GORGEOUS stuff for lamps!!!  Hope that helps....

>Could someone please explain briefly why they can not make
>burgandy/maroon glass and what other colors are there that can not be
>made? Thank you!
>
>Dariece
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It's good to have them rules. Although I never said anything during the
debates on 'having children, what they will eat and how, it was just as easy
to hit the 'trash' key if it didn't meet your fancy....NO BIG DEAL! In
short--Glenna, Lighten up! You pick the wildest times to enforce the
rules...(This is not a flame however in keeping with the rules; someone will
no doubt 'flame your "GLASS" 

>[In the message entitled "Re: Slow computers? - tell me about it!! non
glass." on Aug 20, 20:24, Glasbug@aol.com writes:]
>>  
>>  It seems clear that this is a group of people who love the artistry
>>  involved in stained glass.  BUT, we are humans first.  Is it so terrible
>>  that there is a personal edge to some of the on-line contact & dialogue we
>>  engage in?  IMHO, I think that sharing is probably what gives stained glass
>>  people their heart.  
>>  
>>  Good luck Deb & Elisabeth!  
>>  
>>  Glenna, I'm posting this to the group, but I'm also sending this one
>>  directly 'TO' you.
>>   >>
>> 
>> Right on Amy! You took the words right out of my keyboard!!!
>
>Well if 330 people start sharing their lives with the list then there is
>no point having a "glass" list!  Stay on the topic folks and use other forms
>of communications for personal notes.
>
>
>-- 
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Thank you for all of the responses. I was looking for a completely maroon
colored glass. When I called GlassCrafters the person I spoke with told
me I would never find a maroon/burgandy glass. She tried to explain it to
me, but I was so disappointed that I did not retain much of what she
said. My local shop also told me that I would not be able to find a
complete maroon color. I appreciate all of your help.

I wish I would be able to attend GlassVisions, but I live in Texas and
just can't seem to get up there at this time. It sounds fantastic!

Dariece
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OOOps. I previously stated it was Glass Crafters who told me I could not
find a maroon/burgandy sheet of glass. It was Delphi. I just wanted to
get that correct.

Dariece
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Thanks for the address.  I can't believe the prices, must be
nice to get those prices "if" they really do.  I am sure that some idiot
would pay that price.  I could see if it was an original work but these
are mostly patterns out of books.  Go figure...
I just wonder what my bamboo freehand design should go for based in
"that" pricing scale.   Go figure...
                            Melissa
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Please remove me from your mailing list.
Thanks, Roy Murray.
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Hi,
        My sister belongs to a Chihuahua group somewhat like our group
but about Chihuahua's.  They all can meet and "chat" online with each
other by using the Ichat Pager.  If anyone is interested and if it's ok
with you Glenna I will post the info, then we can have disscusions with
one another. May be this will help with talking out of the context of
glass.
Melissa
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
Melissa
Michael J. Greer wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> When I joined the group back in
> February, I didn't know how this
> whole chat thing worked, but
> after a few months, figured out
> that two mysterious people
> named Dave and Glenna
> Rand supply the space and
> administrative efforts that allows
> us all to yack with one another
> across the world about glass.
> They do it out of the goodness
> of their hearts (or insanity, I'm
> not sure which!) and also supply
> the MB's for the International
> Guild of Glass Artists to have
> their home page and all of the
> members' "show and tell"pages.
> Pretty generous folks I would
> say.  Since I joined bungi, I've
> "met" lots of neat people, gotten
> tons of good technical advice,
> e-mailed off-line to many on
> subjects not related to glass,
> talked to people on the phone, =
>
> and today had another bungi
> member stop in my shop to
> commission some glass painting!
> I've had some great experiences
> and met some wonderful people
> because of this forum.  So to
> balance the criticism, let me =
>
> take this opportunity to publicly
> thank Dave and Glenna for =
>
> their generosity.  I and probably
> hundreds more bungians appreciate
> you.  Thank you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dani Greer
> Greer Gallery & Studios
> 603 W. Colorado Ave.
> Colorado Springs, CO  80905
>
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Hi everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while.  I've been doing glass on and off
for about three years.  I was wondering though, how do you order glass
from Spectrum and Ourobourous and the others?  I buy my glass at the
local glass shop and they have a very good selection, fortunately.  But
they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the exact
color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  Do
your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  That doesn't
seem likely - I mean I wouldn't buy glass without looking at it.  I've
always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish a
color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  All I've ever seen is color
sample kits available for $100 or more and I'll spare everyone my
"colorful" opinion of that practice.

Kirsten
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Kirsten wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been lurking for a little while.  I've been doing glass on and off
> for about three years.  I was wondering though, how do you order glass
> from Spectrum and Ourobourous and the others?  I buy my glass at the
> local glass shop and they have a very good selection, fortunately.  But
> they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the exact
> color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  Do
> your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
> just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  That doesn't
> seem likely - I mean I wouldn't buy glass without looking at it.  I've
> always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish a
> color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
> texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  All I've ever seen is color
> sample kits available for $100 or more and I'll spare everyone my
> "colorful" opinion of that practice.
> 
> Kirsten
> psyche@gulf.net
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generally spectrum is pretty easy, they have that number system (which i
can never remember), where each number explains, color, shade, density,
etc. for the most part it's pretty easy to see what the glass looks like
in your head by the description (for spectrum anyway). 

you could ask your glass shop for the real numbers, right it down on a
sample piece from your original sheet. then when you do a re-order you
can just ask by number for a mre exact glass...


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Kirsten...here's my two cents worth and I hope it helps...

>I was wondering though, how do you order glass from Spectrum and >Ourobourous and the others? 
 
This probably isn't the answer you were counting on, but here goes...The
manufacturers rarely sell to anyone beyond distributors & vendors that
buy in quantity.

> ...they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the >exact color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  >Do your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
> just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  

You'll find that glass ordered from places like Delphi &
Warner-Crivellaro comes with the same stock number on it as your local
shop, whether it's written in marker or on a sticker. Yes, that is the
stock number for that glass manufacturer and your store will be ordering
the same number as if you looked in the catalog and ordered yourself. If
you're buying the glass from your local store, you can familiarize
yourself with the different manufacturers letter codes (i.e.,
S=Spectrum, EM=English Muffle, U=Uroboros, etc...). The best source that
I have found for the different manufacturer stock numbers is Delphi's
catalog. You can get one by visiting their site at
<http://www.delphiglass.com/>. 

>I've always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish >a color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
> texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  

I wish! I have always thought it would be an excellent suggestion! I do
have "sample" sets, however...there are times like with commissions,
that I have to have as close as possible match to the glass I'll be
using and reproduction just doesn't do it. I do feel that this would be
a great practice by the glass companies, though. Warner-Criv. does have
a good amount of glass on their web site to view before you buy...it's
helped me a couple of times. They're at <http://www.warner-criv.com/>
look at the "Glass Online" section.
Hope this helps some, LJ


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Dear Pat;
         Maybe I missed something, what are Carefree Luster Decals? and
Fusemaster Decals??  Sounds like I am missing something interesting!  Meg

At 09:37 AM 8/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>HI! I suggest you take a course in glass painting,<enameling>.  Since I have
>been an enameler for over 30 years, I really see the need for all you glass
>art people to stop searching for the "right color" and just make it!
>Especially if you are only looking for a small piece, why buy a large sheet
>to only use a snipette of just the right shade?  
>If you don't have a kiln for firing you can search your area and there must
>be someone close by who has the expertise and knowledge.  Check with the
>glass enameling instructors who teach all around the country, they probably
>have students somewhere near you.
>This is one reason I developed the Carefree Luster Decals.  As I can use
>those glasses that I know are fusable and change them at will.  I also am
>working on making decal sheets of Fusemaster enamels for glass.  So far the
>tests need more work, but have been successful enough for me to use here in
>the shop.  What I currently am experimenting with is using clear colorless
>glass, applying the decals of transparent colored Fusemaster decals in
>various shapes and patterns, firing and also combining them with the
>carefree luster decals.  Really fun, and not a large inventory of stained
>glass to have around the shop.  This gives a very unique appearance to my
>work.  I will be photographing a really great piece using this technique <in
>my spare time of course>.  Then will eventually get the web page together.
>Web page: bungi.com/glass/igga/topp.....Well, yes,I am behind and there is
>only two photos up at this point.  But if you look at the plate, it is made
>up of only two colors of glass.  Medium green and a colbalt blue and the
>colors you see were fired into the surface to give a rich and colorful
>effect. Let me know what you think.
>I really think that all stained glass work could be improved artistically if
>YOU ALL had the option of "just the right color" that you need to finish
>your panel, window etc..  As a creative person <my Father is an inventor> I
>think ahead to vision the creative jucies flowing in all of your work, by
>eliminating or removing the restrictions of the glass industry.  Use their
>glass, but alter it to your own personal creative designs and personality.
>..............Pat
>"Eagles may soar. But weasels aren't sucked into jet engines"
>
>THE TOPP SHOP & GALLERY, Works by DIACCA, Kiln worked glass bowls, plates &
>jewelry.
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Thanks LJ and Mike,

You're right - I didn't think of that.  Surely the order numbers on the
glass are the re-order numbers...I have asked way too many stupid
questions the past couple of weeks.  What is happening to me?? ;)

Well I just checked some of my glass.  There are numbers only.  Do
certain companies sell only certain types of glass.  I didn't know
English Muffle was a manufacturer.  Is baroque a manufacturer?  I've
heard the owners of the glass shop say things like "an Ourobourous
glass" or a "Wissmach glass".  Are these types of glass?  Maybe I could
compare what I've got to my catalogs and start to get an idea of who
sells what and what this or that color really looks like by comparing
what I have with what's in the catalog.  

Doing things the backwards way
Kirsten
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Just a brief note to remind everyone why Tiffany used the plating system.
When his choice of colors were not available, he simply placed another
piece of glass behind the other to get the "exact shade" he was looking
for.  Try plating red with brown or black or even a second piece of red to
see if that will give you the color burgandy or maroon you seek.  Peggy

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Kirsten wrote:
> 
> Thanks LJ and Mike,
> 
> You're right - I didn't think of that.  Surely the order numbers on the
> glass are the re-order numbers...I have asked way too many stupid
> questions the past couple of weeks.  What is happening to me?? ;)
> 
> Well I just checked some of my glass.  There are numbers only.  Do
> certain companies sell only certain types of glass.  I didn't know
> English Muffle was a manufacturer.  Is baroque a manufacturer?  I've
> heard the owners of the glass shop say things like "an Ourobourous
> glass" or a "Wissmach glass".  Are these types of glass?  Maybe I could
> compare what I've got to my catalogs and start to get an idea of who
> sells what and what this or that color really looks like by comparing
> what I have with what's in the catalog.
> 
> Doing things the backwards way
> Kirsten
> psyche@gulf.net
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wissmach, armstrong, spectrum, uroboros, bullseye, youghgeny, chicago,
desag, optima, etc are galss manufactures.

boroque, water glass, are from spectrum and trademarked too them

english muffle, is from armstrong i believe (i don't use enough of it
too remember the right company). 

GNA and FNA - is german new antique, or french... made by various
companies i think desag makes GNA

ripple, mottle, granite, opalescent, irridescent, etc, vary from company
to company.

for a better description of glas go to my page
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 the glass identifier page (under
tips i think).

---Mike Savad



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RE: NEXT PROPOSED STAINED GLASS TRIP TO CHARTRES IN FRANCE
       (OR OTHER SITES IN EUROPE)  1998


Dear Dani - and MANY others who have enquired,

Ok! Ok! Message received loud and clear!!!
So you want MORE?!

Is already on the drawing board! Will post new plans as & when they 
are hatched!
 I STILL have to post the last pages from our Chartres 
Diary to share with you. 
Is there any sensible way I can post pics into the Group, without 
creating too much hassle for Glenna (I think I might be in her bad 
books, as it is...)  ?? Gulp! Am I biting off too much here?!
Have my brand new cd-rom and a brand new pile of soft-ware and a 
brand new fabulous colour  printer (on which I could even enlarge the 
famous Mike Savad dimple!!  ;-)  )
Tee-hee!
Elisabeth 'n Toby (in hot, sticky UK)
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Just putting my two cents in about ordering glass.  

If you have a local supplier that has reasonable prices and gives you good
technical advice, I recommend that you continue to buy from them for several
reasons.  One reason is that you get to look at the piece of glass that you
are getting.  When you order from a catalog you get whatever the picker
chooses for you.  That's fine in some cases, but if you are ordering
Uroboros, Youghieheny or Bullseye, you'll want to choose it in person as it
will rarely match a sample you've seen or sometimes even another piece that
you've seen.  I'd also like to be sure that when you look at prices that you
add in the mail order companies boxing and postage fees because they can add
up.  Finally, I can tell you that as one of those local retailers, it is very
frustrating (and very unfair) to have a customer come in with a box full of
glass, a lamp form, or a kit that was purchased mail order, set it on my
table and say-"OK-now what do I do."   I will help that customer out and am
usually able to show them that price wise I can come very close to or beat
the catalog price, but if everyone buys mail order, I will have to close my
doors and there won't be a local shop you can go to when you have a question
or need some hands on advice, or someone you can call on Sunday when you run
out of solder!

I'm not anti-mail order at all.  In Montana, we have some areas that are very
rural and the catalogs are a real help.  I also know that there are some
shops that are over priced, or that the service isn't what you think it
should be.  If this is the case then by all means, order from where you get
the best service and price.  

If you have a local retailer who takes care of you- I hope you'll continue to
buy from them. 

Dione
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My thoughts exactly Dione!  I'm one of those retailers too and appreciate the
support I get from my customers.  It's what keeps me in business!
Dorothy
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Dear Kirsten,
Ohh, we are really getting into the deep end of the pool here...
You are partly right.
English Muffle is not necessaily a manufacturer, but a specific type 
of texture (as is - for instance - Victoriana, baroque, gothic, 
half-French antique etc, and in deed cathedral). Compare it to 
"Hoover" making vaccuum cleaners and that ANY vaccuum cleaner is now 
called "hoover", because they were the first.
 Wissmach, Urboros, Hartley Wood, Desag,  St.Just, Armstrong, Tatra, 
Kokomo, Lamberts, Spectrum are manufacturers. So you can get easily 
confused by specifications like Spectrum cathedral, Belgian cathedral 
(Peggy calls this one Elisabeth's special plate glass!!  ;-) or 
German cathedral and so on. It's a bit of a mine-field. I have spent  
over 8 months trying to source  a specific texture called Small 
Flemish for a restoration job, Large Flemish, Full Flemish, English 
Flemish - no problem; Small Flemish - forget it, it hasn't been 
manufactured for the last 65 years!!! Your (our) next level of 
confusion is then the variety of colour treatments each texture and 
manufacturer give to their glass, as well as trying to work out 
whether the glass was made in USA, France, Italy, Poland, Belgium, 
Germany or alas - too rarely-  in the UK.
Your confusion and questions are not at all dumb. If anything, you 
have got guts to ASK!!
My best advice to you is to start assembling your own catalogue, 
filing-box of real glass samples. Identify them and label them, 
handle them, touch them , look through them and get to know them.  
Devise your own identifying system for easy recognition.
Little by little you will get to know what's what .
And keep asking!!
Elisabeth 'n Toby

Thanks LJ 
and Mike,

You're right - I didn't think of that.  Surely the order numbers on the
glass are the re-order numbers...I have asked way too many stupid
questions the past couple of weeks.  What is happening to me?? ;)

Well I just checked some of my glass.  There are numbers only.  Do
certain companies sell only certain types of glass.  I didn't know
English Muffle was a manufacturer.  Is baroque a manufacturer?  I've
heard the owners of the glass shop say things like "an Ourobourous
glass" or a "Wissmach glass".  Are these types of glass?  Maybe I could
compare what I've got to my catalogs and start to get an idea of who
sells what and what this or that color really looks like by comparing
what I have with what's in the catalog.  

Doing things the backwards way
Kirsten
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Toby wrote:
> 
> Dear Kirsten,
> Ohh, we are really getting into the deep end of the pool here...
> You are partly right.
> English Muffle is not necessaily a manufacturer, but a specific type
> of texture (as is - for instance - Victoriana, baroque, gothic,
> half-French antique etc, and in deed cathedral). Compare it to
> "Hoover" making vaccuum cleaners and that ANY vaccuum cleaner is now
> called "hoover", because they were the first.
>  Wissmach, Urboros, Hartley Wood, Desag,  St.Just, Armstrong, Tatra,
> Kokomo, Lamberts, Spectrum are manufacturers. So you can get easily
> confused by specifications like Spectrum cathedral, Belgian cathedral
> (Peggy calls this one Elisabeth's special plate glass!!  ;-) or
> German cathedral and so on. It's a bit of a mine-field. I have spent
> over 8 months trying to source  a specific texture called Small
> Flemish for a restoration job, Large Flemish, Full Flemish, English
> Flemish - no problem; Small Flemish - forget it, it hasn't been
> manufactured for the last 65 years!!! Your (our) next level of
> confusion is then the variety of colour treatments each texture and
> manufacturer give to their glass, as well as trying to work out
> whether the glass was made in USA, France, Italy, Poland, Belgium,
> Germany or alas - too rarely-  in the UK.
> Your confusion and questions are not at all dumb. If anything, you
> have got guts to ASK!!
> My best advice to you is to start assembling your own catalogue,
> filing-box of real glass samples. Identify them and label them,
> handle them, touch them , look through them and get to know them.
> Devise your own identifying system for easy recognition.
> Little by little you will get to know what's what .
> And keep asking!!
> Elisabeth 'n Toby
> 
> Thanks LJ
> and Mike,
> 
> You're right - I didn't think of that.  Surely the order numbers on the
> glass are the re-order numbers...I have asked way too many stupid
> questions the past couple of weeks.  What is happening to me?? ;)
> 
> Well I just checked some of my glass.  There are numbers only.  Do
> certain companies sell only certain types of glass.  I didn't know
> English Muffle was a manufacturer.  Is baroque a manufacturer?  I've
> heard the owners of the glass shop say things like "an Ourobourous
> glass" or a "Wissmach glass".  Are these types of glass?  Maybe I could
> compare what I've got to my catalogs and start to get an idea of who
> sells what and what this or that color really looks like by comparing
> what I have with what's in the catalog.
> 
> Doing things the backwards way
> Kirsten
> psyche@gulf.net
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you what i just thought of toby, spectrum glass talked about how they
got the chord glass pattern (i think it was chord). they said that
someone had a small sample, and if they could reproduce it. it took them
a while but they said they were up to the challange. 

maybe spectrum glass could either help you find the pattern or even
produce it.

---Mike Savad

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     I believe Dani has hit the nail on the head and Melissa has come up
with a suitable compromise when us bungies want to get to know each other on
a more personal level.  Both glass and personal support, when needed, should
be encouraged.  Sincerely, Lorna

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I too would like to thank Dave and Glenna Rand.  They should have a great
feeling of doing a wonderful service for the like of us.  I have learned a
great deal from the e-mail I've received these past few months that I have
been a part of the bungi group.
I hope I have been able to give back a little for the info and comraderie I
have received 
online.
Again, HATS OFF TO THE RAND'S.
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Topp Shop & Gallery wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> This is one reason I developed the Carefree Luster Decals. <snip> Use their
> glass, but alter it to your own personal creative designs and personality.
> ..............Pat
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Gidday Pat - this sounds fascinating. I've done kiln-fired glass
painting but this sounds different again. Is it possible you might be
looking to export to Australia hint hint?

Look forward to hearing from you, regards
-- 
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Mike,

Believe me, I am not the type that you described.  I worked at Radio
Shack for six years and spent I don't know how many hours helping
Circuit City and Wal-Mart customers figure out how to hook up the crap
they just bought elsewhere or help them figure out what is wrong with it
when it has a problem.  I would ~NEVER~ do that.  And I always go to my
local shop first BECAUSE they have such a wonderful selection and
because they are so nice and helpful.  I was just wondering how the
people on this newsgroup shop by mail.  It seems that several people
here talk about this color from this company and so on and I just
assumed that they know these things because they order it that way.  I
was just curious.  Plus my husband and I move around alot (at least we
have in the past) and I'm afraid I might not have access to this great
shop for too long.

Thank you for all your help, everyone.

Kirsten
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At 08:12 AM 8/23/97 +0600, you wrote:
>Dear Pat;
>         Maybe I missed something, what are Carefree Luster Decals? and
>Fusemaster Decals??  Sounds like I am missing something interesting!  Meg

Yeah!  Check out "Glass On Metal" Oct. issue 1996, "Glass:Common Ground"
Winter 1996 and Spring 1997 issues, and coming to "Glass..Craftsman" Oct.
1997 issue.  These articles I wrote about the new Carefree Lusters <r> which
are food safe, lead free, dishwasher proof and microwave safe.  I developed
a method of application of this product, formerly difficult to handle and
apply onto enamels and glass that's as easy as cut, paste and fire.  
Pat
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Dear Lorna,

Great thought, great mind, great Heart speaking. THANK YOU. I so very 
often appear to provoke controversy when I speak my mind about Art, 
and the role of an Artist, a Teacher, and the connecting emotional, 
human responsibilities.
Stained Glass is not ONLY about selecting textures, manufacturers, 
tools and techniques, but ALSO about a very human emotional level of 
communication of/about whom we are are, what we have suffered, and 
what we are trying to say/convey; what we are trying to do and teach, 
communicate, pass on, teach and embue to the next generation; what we 
ourselves are trying to achieve as human beings and as Artists.
That is work in stained glass too; I live it, I do it and I teach it. 
We cannot learn, we cannot exchange, we cannot teach, we cannot pass 
on,  unless there is an element of us Knowing Each Other.....   
That may be  unrelated things, trivial things, painful things, and 
intense elements of sufferings on many levels.
Occasionally, these elements burst through........,
Glenna has the thankless and unenviable task of "reigning it/us all 
in".

ALL of you - out there - please do NOT forget that you DO have a 
choice of responding to a particular comment and "trigger" privately 
"Off-Group", when you want to address a remark made by a particular 
individual. Our e-mail addresses are all THERE, on display.
EVERONE is approachable as an individual, with a special message and 
gift to contribute. Just push the right button!!!
THAT is the warmth, generosity and "giving" of the individuals of 
this particular Group!!   ....and we ALL want to LEARN..... We ALL 
want to LISTEN....
 Elisabeth 'n Toby




Lorna wrote:
 I believe 
Dani has hit the nail on the head and Melissa has come up with a 
suitable compromise when us bungies want to get to know each other on 
a more personal level.  Both glass and personal support, when needed, 
should be encouraged.  Sincerely, Lorna

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Dear Elisabeth & Lorna,

Right On!

>Great thought, great mind, great Heart speaking. THANK YOU. I so very 
>often appear to provoke controversy when I speak my mind about Art, 
>and the role of an Artist, a Teacher, and the connecting emotional, 
>human responsibilities.
>Stained Glass is not ONLY about selecting textures, manufacturers, 
>tools and techniques, but ALSO about a very human emotional level of 
>communication of/about whom we are are, what we have suffered, and 
>what we are trying to say/convey; what we are trying to do and teach, 
>communicate, pass on, teach and embue to the next generation; what we 
>ourselves are trying to achieve as human beings and as Artists.
>That is work in stained glass too; I live it, I do it and I teach it. 
>We cannot learn, we cannot exchange, we cannot teach, we cannot pass 
>on,  unless there is an element of us Knowing Each Other.....   
>That may be  unrelated things, trivial things, painful things, and 
>intense elements of sufferings on many levels.
>Occasionally, these elements burst through........,
>Glenna has the thankless and unenviable task of "reigning it/us all 
>in".
>
>ALL of you - out there - please do NOT forget that you DO have a 
>choice of responding to a particular comment and "trigger" privately 
>"Off-Group", when you want to address a remark made by a particular 
>individual. Our e-mail addresses are all THERE, on display.
>EVERONE is approachable as an individual, with a special message and 
>gift to contribute. Just push the right button!!!
>THAT is the warmth, generosity and "giving" of the individuals of 
>this particular Group!!   ....and we ALL want to LEARN..... We ALL 
>want to LISTEN....
> Elisabeth 'n Toby
>
>
>
>
>Lorna wrote:
> I believe 
>Dani has hit the nail on the head and Melissa has come up with a 
>suitable compromise when us bungies want to get to know each other on 
>a more personal level.  Both glass and personal support, when needed, 
>should be encouraged.  Sincerely, Lorna
>
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Spectrum has a homepage that shows the colors of glass fairly well, and
describes the numbers.  I agree that it would be nice if the retail stores
told you what you are buying.  Maybe I will take some stickers with me and
pick their brains and label the next lot of glass I buy!  Meg

At 09:45 AM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Kirsten wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I've been lurking for a little while.  I've been doing glass on and off
>> for about three years.  I was wondering though, how do you order glass
>> from Spectrum and Ourobourous and the others?  I buy my glass at the
>> local glass shop and they have a very good selection, fortunately.  But
>> they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the exact
>> color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  Do
>> your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
>> just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  That doesn't
>> seem likely - I mean I wouldn't buy glass without looking at it.  I've
>> always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish a
>> color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
>> texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  All I've ever seen is color
>> sample kits available for $100 or more and I'll spare everyone my
>> "colorful" opinion of that practice.
>> 
>> Kirsten
>> psyche@gulf.net
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>generally spectrum is pretty easy, they have that number system (which i
>can never remember), where each number explains, color, shade, density,
>etc. for the most part it's pretty easy to see what the glass looks like
>in your head by the description (for spectrum anyway). 
>
>you could ask your glass shop for the real numbers, right it down on a
>sample piece from your original sheet. then when you do a re-order you
>can just ask by number for a mre exact glass...
>
>
>---Mike Savad
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A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, surely we
can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes?  Wouldn't
this be great!  Meg

At 03:37 PM 8/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>RE: NEXT PROPOSED STAINED GLASS TRIP TO CHARTRES IN FRANCE
>       (OR OTHER SITES IN EUROPE)  1998
>
>
>Dear Dani - and MANY others who have enquired,
>
>Ok! Ok! Message received loud and clear!!!
>So you want MORE?!
>
>Is already on the drawing board! Will post new plans as & when they 
>are hatched!
> I STILL have to post the last pages from our Chartres 
>Diary to share with you. 
>Is there any sensible way I can post pics into the Group, without 
>creating too much hassle for Glenna (I think I might be in her bad 
>books, as it is...)  ?? Gulp! Am I biting off too much here?!
>Have my brand new cd-rom and a brand new pile of soft-ware and a 
>brand new fabulous colour  printer (on which I could even enlarge the 
>famous Mike Savad dimple!!  ;-)  )
>Tee-hee!
>Elisabeth 'n Toby (in hot, sticky UK)
>----
>As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind"
>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
>http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm 
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Can you make two identical pieces and foil together at the same time, or do
you have  to foil and solder, then foil and solder the other on top.  I
suppose the back side didn't look that great?  and that you can't use this
on two sided (both sides show) windows??? Meg

At 07:14 AM 8/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Just a brief note to remind everyone why Tiffany used the plating system.
>When his choice of colors were not available, he simply placed another
>piece of glass behind the other to get the "exact shade" he was looking
>for.  Try plating red with brown or black or even a second piece of red to
>see if that will give you the color burgandy or maroon you seek.  Peggy
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.  If they can send a preview by email, surely we
> can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes? 
Wouldn't
> this be great!  Meg
> 
I lost all my mail or I could tell.  But I think someone told the bungi
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Meg-

Check the archives on plating -
we had some pretty intense =

discussion a while back when
everyone was curious about
Robert Oddy's panels.  I
remember one good essay that
Angelo sent us, including tips on
how to avoid condensation between
the glass.  Worthing digging up.
And, yes, they look awful from
the back!  Look at photos in some
of the Tiffany books -yeck!

Best regards,

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That would be good .. Does anyone have the program 'ICQ'? I can send it to
anyone who cantacts me.. Great for sending files, online chat, Email , file
transfer etc.

>     I believe Dani has hit the nail on the head and Melissa has come up
>with a suitable compromise when us bungies want to get to know each other on
>a more personal level.  Both glass and personal support, when needed, should
>be encouraged.  Sincerely, Lorna
>
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Yes ... You can scann photos into your computor, Create a folder to save
them to and send them either in JPEG format or through a program you can
download for free off the net, (I will send anyone the info if asked for).
It works GREAT! It is called 'ICQ' and seems to transfer file and photo
twice as fast as Email 'Attachment'. You can send anything over the net that
you can get into your computor.
...Wayne

>A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
>you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
>of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, surely we
>can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes?  Wouldn't
>this be great!  Meg
>
>At 03:37 PM 8/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>RE: NEXT PROPOSED STAINED GLASS TRIP TO CHARTRES IN FRANCE
>>       (OR OTHER SITES IN EUROPE)  1998
>>
>>
>>Dear Dani - and MANY others who have enquired,
>>
>>Ok! Ok! Message received loud and clear!!!
>>So you want MORE?!
>>
>>Is already on the drawing board! Will post new plans as & when they 
>>are hatched!
>> I STILL have to post the last pages from our Chartres 
>>Diary to share with you. 
>>Is there any sensible way I can post pics into the Group, without 
>>creating too much hassle for Glenna (I think I might be in her bad 
>>books, as it is...)  ?? Gulp! Am I biting off too much here?!
>>Have my brand new cd-rom and a brand new pile of soft-ware and a 
>>brand new fabulous colour  printer (on which I could even enlarge the 
>>famous Mike Savad dimple!!  ;-)  )
>>Tee-hee!
>>Elisabeth 'n Toby (in hot, sticky UK)
>>----
>>As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind"
>>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
>>http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm 
>>----
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>>
>Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
>apdo. 24-5655
>Monteverde, Puntarenas
>COSTA RICA
>
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I hope we get more of the Bunginians into ICQ It seems a natural to get
to really know each other. Don <eldondo1@juno.com>
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:58:11 -0700 wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro)
writes:
>That would be good .. Does anyone have the program 'ICQ'? I can send 
>it to
>anyone who cantacts me.. Great for sending files, online chat, Email , 
>file
>transfer etc.
>
>>     I believe Dani has hit the nail on the head and Melissa has come 
>up
>>with a suitable compromise when us bungies want to get to know each 
>other on
>>a more personal level.  Both glass and personal support, when needed, 
>should
>>be encouraged.  Sincerely, Lorna
>>
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Yes - I am interested in more info on how to e-mail pictures/patterns. Thank
you in advance
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Yes, I am interested in ICQ program. How would I get the program to download?
Interested in hearing more info about this.  Thanx a ton
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> >A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
> >you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
> >of the pictures by email. 

That would be

Seattle Filmworks
1260 16th Avenue West
Seattle WA 98119 - 
..........................Phone: ( 206 ) 283 - 9074


It's a pretty good deal, although you have to be patient. It can 
sometimes take 2-3 weeks for your film to be processed and returned 
to you. Send in a roll of film, get back a new roll, prints and 
scanned images on disk ... all for one low price. My personal quibble 
with their service, though, is that (naturally) the amount of each 
image that's scanned isn't the full frame of the slide, so sometimes 
they're "pre-cropped" in ways that are less than helpful. I say 
"naturally" because of course they have a one-size-fits-all approach 
to processing the orders; they'd have to do that to keep the prices 
as low as they are. It ain't custom work. <s>

Albert
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> A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
> you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
> of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, surely we
> can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes?  Wouldn't
> this be great!  Meg

Meg & all...
I can't really recommend Seattle Film works. I used them and their
service was less than desirable. It took almost 4 weeks to get pics
back, they cropped off parts of the picture, and the "free" roll of film
they sent you could ONLY be developed by them!

On the other hand...just about anyone that uses Kodak film processing
will place your pics on a floppy disk for you (I used the local K-Mart &
Walgreens before I got my new scanner). It costs about $5 extra, but
it's pretty cost effective if you don't own a scanner.

Sending pics via email doesn't require anything special...it's as easy
as sending a text file attachment. I am really only familiar with
Netscape & Eudora, but both of those had a "attached file" button. You
simply write your message and then choose "attach file." It takes you to
your hard drive directory and you select the file you want to attach to
the message. Don't worry when you send it...it sends a copy and not the
original! 

If you want to view or tweak your pictures I can recommend two programs
to do it. Photoshop is the best around, hands down and it does it
all...it also has a $500 price tag! Moving on, there is a great
shareware program called Paint Shop Pro...it can be downloaded from the
web by going to <http://www.jasc.com/psp.html> and following the
onscreen instructions. Having been a Graphic Designer and Art Director
before I took up my stained glass full time, I feel these are the 2 best
out there. And, since I still do a lot of graphic work for web pages, I
feel that PSP can do just about anything you would need...even convert
from one format to another like if you have a gif and you want it to be
a jpg).
If I can be of any help to anyone in this area or you want more in depth
info, feel free to e-mail me...
LJ
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Kirsten...
Don't worry...I, for one, didn't take your request that way. When I
lived in a bigger city I frequented two shops that I simply loved...I
felt like I was disloyal just looking at a catalog! I live in a very
rural area now and it's just not practical for me to go to the city to a
shop. I'm forced to order via the mail, hence, you learn the stock
numbers of the glass you like in a hurry. As just an FYI: I keep a
database for projects I do that require the same color glass over and
over. I include the stock numbers of the glass so I won't forget the
ones I particularly like.
LJ
> Believe me, I am not the type that you described.  I worked at Radio
> Shack for six years and spent I don't know how many hours helping
> Circuit City and Wal-Mart customers figure out how to hook up the crap
> they just bought elsewhere or help them figure out what is wrong with it
> when it has a problem.  I would ~NEVER~ do that.  And I always go to my
> local shop first BECAUSE they have such a wonderful selection and
> because they are so nice and helpful.  I was just wondering how the
> people on this newsgroup shop by mail.  It seems that several people
> here talk about this color from this company and so on and I just
> assumed that they know these things because they order it that way.  I
> was just curious.  Plus my husband and I move around alot (at least we
> have in the past) and I'm afraid I might not have access to this great
> shop for too long.

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Hi Wayne,

I'm interested in the program and any instructions you may have on how to
send pictures

Thanks
Diane

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> From: Wayne Munro <wmunro@mars.ark.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Chartres answer?
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 10:12 PM
> 
> Yes ... You can scann photos into your computor, Create a folder to save
> them to and send them either in JPEG format or through a program you can
> download for free off the net, (I will send anyone the info if asked
for).
> It works GREAT! It is called 'ICQ' and seems to transfer file and photo
> twice as fast as Email 'Attachment'. You can send anything over the net
that
> you can get into your computor.
> ...Wayne
> 
> >A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and
sends
> >you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a
preview
> >of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, surely
we
> >can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes? 
Wouldn't
> >this be great!  Meg
> >
> >At 03:37 PM 8/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >>
> >>RE: NEXT PROPOSED STAINED GLASS TRIP TO CHARTRES IN FRANCE
> >>       (OR OTHER SITES IN EUROPE)  1998
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear Dani - and MANY others who have enquired,
> >>
> >>Ok! Ok! Message received loud and clear!!!
> >>So you want MORE?!
> >>
> >>Is already on the drawing board! Will post new plans as & when they 
> >>are hatched!
> >> I STILL have to post the last pages from our Chartres 
> >>Diary to share with you. 
> >>Is there any sensible way I can post pics into the Group, without 
> >>creating too much hassle for Glenna (I think I might be in her bad 
> >>books, as it is...)  ?? Gulp! Am I biting off too much here?!
> >>Have my brand new cd-rom and a brand new pile of soft-ware and a 
> >>brand new fabulous colour  printer (on which I could even enlarge the 
> >>famous Mike Savad dimple!!  ;-)  )
> >>Tee-hee!
> >>Elisabeth 'n Toby (in hot, sticky UK)
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> >>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
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I got ICQ from http://www.roo.com  It was very easy to download and
there were no hassles with it. My ICQ is 1232894. It's great for chats
and messages.
Regards
-- 
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> From:          Kirsten <psyche@gulf.net>
> To:            glass@bungi.com
> Subject:       Ordering glass
> Date:          Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:24:07 -0500
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been lurking for a little while.  I've been doing glass on and off
> for about three years.  I was wondering though, how do you order glass
> from Spectrum and Ourobourous and the others?  I buy my glass at the
> local glass shop and they have a very good selection, fortunately.  But
> they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the exact
> color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  Do
> your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
> just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  That doesn't
> seem likely - I mean I wouldn't buy glass without looking at it.  I've
> always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish a
> color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
> texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  All I've ever seen is color
> sample kits available for $100 or more and I'll spare everyone my
> "colorful" opinion of that practice.
> 
> Kirsten

Hi Kristen..

 Actually most sample kits only run about $50... If you want true to 
life color the sample kit is the only way to go... A picture never 
looks the same to me...Warner Crivilaros site has some pretty good 
picture samples tho.. You might check them out...

Byron...

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       Hi Mike and all,  I referred to Mike's web site on repairing
scratches on glass.  I'm seriously ready to start work on a peacock fire
place screen using chandalier jewels.  Unfortunately, some have very small
scratches.  Does the method described by Mike also apply to jewels?
Thanking you in advance,  Sincerely, Lorna

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[In the message entitled "sending pics via email" on Aug 24,  6:27, LJ Maas writes:]
> > A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
> > you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
> > of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, surely we
> > can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes?  Wouldn't

I use Wold Camera.  Once dropped off they only take 5-7 working days.
No complaints with them at all.


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Please add me to mail list.

Thanks!

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Richard LaVal wrote:
> 
> Can you make two identical pieces and foil together at the same time, or do
> you have  to foil and solder, then foil and solder the other on top.  I
> suppose the back side didn't look that great?  and that you can't use this
> on two sided (both sides show) windows??? Meg
> 
> At 07:14 AM 8/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Just a brief note to remind everyone why Tiffany used the plating system.
> >When his choice of colors were not available, he simply placed another
> >piece of glass behind the other to get the "exact shade" he was looking
> >for.  Try plating red with brown or black or even a second piece of red to
> >see if that will give you the color burgandy or maroon you seek.  Peggy
> >
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you cut your piece as normal, then cut your second piece slighty smaller
then the first, wrap that one, then solder together.

---Mike Savad

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daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote:
> 
>        Hi Mike and all,  I referred to Mike's web site on repairing
> scratches on glass.  I'm seriously ready to start work on a peacock fire
> place screen using chandalier jewels.  Unfortunately, some have very small
> scratches.  Does the method described by Mike also apply to jewels?
> Thanking you in advance,  Sincerely, Lorna
> 
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i would try using the same cerium oxide method, only using a piece of
felt and a flat surface. the main problem would be #1 holding on to the
little bugger. and #2 rounding off the factets. 

i would make up the paste put it on the felt, and rub the jewel over the
felt. cirular motions would probably be best.

---Mike Savad

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  Just returned from two days of people-packed fun at Warners' Glass Visions.
 Today was the better day, due to the presence of the various venders, and
absence of various amounts of people. (big grin here)  Hilary was welcoming
new IGGA members aboard with her wonderful smile and easygoing informative
manner!   There will probably be some new members to the list, as many people
stopped and listened to her talk.   Missed meeting Mike, but met lots of
wonderful people sharing lots of stories.  The folks at W-C were courteous,
helpful and exhausted after this weekend.  Glorious weather and nice folks.  
Maureen
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Hi Glenna,

Do you have further information on Wold Camera?  Where are they located?

Thank you!

Susie
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York Developing also has   the price was $5.95 per diskette- they are a =
mail order developer).. I have 2 rolls of film on diskette and I do not =
know  what to do not know what to  do  with the diskette.. The diskettes =
are of my glass work.. Any help would be helpful..=20
thanks in advance
Gloria

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[In the message entitled "sending pics via email" on Aug 24,  6:27, LJ =
Maas writes:]
> > A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, =
and sends
> > you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a =
preview
> > of the pictures by email.  If they can send a preview by email, =
surely we
> > can exchange pictures by email..... anyone know what  i t takes?  =
Wouldn't

I use Wold Camera.  Once dropped off they only take 5-7 working days.
No complaints with them at all.


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I too am interest in ICQ program. Does it run on the Mac? If so, would
love download instructions. Thanks, Laura B
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More praise! Charles and Marianne, along with the entire staff, outdid
themselves in providing hospitality. Since everyone looked too busy to
listen to anything as non-critical as thanks this afternoon, let me say it
here.

Thanks for introducing us to all these terrific glass makers, like
Wissmack, Kokomo, Youghigheny (Sp??????) and Spectrum. Bringing in people
like Robert Oddy and Vicky Paine who were only too ready to answer
questions made for much one-on-one learning. 

Here's hoping that the folks at W-C feel the results were worth all the
effort you put out. I know that the customers certainly enjoyed it.


Mary 

On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 Mosfunland@aol.com wrote:

>   Just returned from two days of people-packed fun at Warners' Glass Visions.
>  Today was the better day, due to the presence of the various venders, and
> absence of various amounts of people. (big grin here)  Hilary was welcoming
> new IGGA members aboard with her wonderful smile and easygoing informative
> manner!   There will probably be some new members to the list, as many people
> stopped and listened to her talk.   Missed meeting Mike, but met lots of
> wonderful people sharing lots of stories.  The folks at W-C were courteous,
> helpful and exhausted after this weekend.  Glorious weather and nice folks.  
> Maureen
> mosfunland@aol.com
> 

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I think that it would be a good idea to find someone in your area that does
beveling and let them remove the scratches for you, if that is not possible
try cerium oxide mixed with water and use felt to polish ,you don't have to
worry about taking the edge off of any of the facets cerium oxide is the
final stage of polishing and it will not round out or flatten any of the
edges. In your favor is the fact that most crystals , if in fact they are
real crystal is a much softer glass and polishes out very quickly and nicely.
 However they will be difficult to hand polish that is why I suggest finding
someone with the equipment to do the job right.Good Luck your project sounds
very interesting. Beveler4@aol.com
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[In the message entitled "Re: sending pics via email" on Aug 24, 18:45, SusieHUs@aol.com writes:]

> Do you have further information on Wold Camera?  Where are they located?

They are a chain in the U.S.  I'm in California and there are several close
by.  



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I actually  save (on disk) and print out, and put in a loose leaf book by
subject all messages like that, but I guess there weren't enough details, or
something, I am still feeling insecure enough that I haven't tried it.  I
guess I will just "hold my nose and jump in" some day, like I did with
stained glass in the first place.
        Another thing that I have seen mentioned here,, was that you could
stick foil to glass (across pieces) and solder, to make designs or fake
lines (like antenae) ... will this stay strong, even through washing etc.  I
tried soldering tinned copper wire on to make feather lines on pieces too
small to cut, but wasn't 100% satisfied, and the wire wasn't stuck to the
glass, so it was hard to clean around.. any ideas?  Meg

At 09:21 PM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Meg-
>
>Check the archives on plating -
>we had some pretty intense =
>
>discussion a while back when
>everyone was curious about
>Robert Oddy's panels.  I
>remember one good essay that
>Angelo sent us, including tips on
>how to avoid condensation between
>the glass.  Worthing digging up.
>And, yes, they look awful from
>the back!  Look at photos in some
>of the Tiffany books -yeck!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer
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The next issue of "Common Ground:Glass" from the IGGA will have an
extensive article interviewing Robert Oddy about his plating techniques. =
 I
posted this article to the bungi group somewhere around July ?6?, so it
should be in the archives.  It gives pretty explicit instructions on how =
to
plate to achieve special effects, including specific color/texture
creations.

Christie A. Wood
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You wrote:
> A friend says there is an outfit in Seattle which developes film, and sends
> you the prints, as well as a diskette with the pictures on it, and a preview
> of the pictures by email.
>
> That would be
>
> Seattle Filmworks
> 1260 16th Avenue West
> Seattle WA 98119 -
> ..........................Phone: ( 206 ) 283 - 9074
>
>
> It's a pretty good deal, although you have to be patient. It can
> sometimes take 2-3 weeks for your film to be processed and returned
> to you. Send in a roll of film, get back a new roll, prints and
> scanned images on disk ... all for one low price. My personal quibble
> with their service, though, is that (naturally) the amount of each
> image that's scanned isn't the full frame of the slide, so sometimes
> they're "pre-cropped" in ways that are less than helpful. I say
> "naturally" because of course they have a one-size-fits-all approach
> to processing the orders; they'd have to do that to keep the prices
> as low as they are. It ain't custom work. <s>
>
> Albert
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there is one thing to remember about this place. they advertise that you can  
get both slides and prints from the same film. you should realize that they  
are using movie film and i don't know what they use for paper, but i have some  
that are a couple years old that have badly faded. these are hanging on my  
wall, but quite far from the nearest window so the problem isn't the sun. i've  
also talked to others, professional photographers, who also have said the  
same thing. if you want your prints to last, then you don't want to use this  
service.
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Stratus Computer, Inc.
Phoenix, AZ
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Richard LaVal wrote:

>         Another thing that I have seen mentioned here,, was that you could
> stick foil to glass (across pieces) and solder, to make designs or fake
> lines (like antenae) ... will this stay strong, even through washing etc.  I
> tried soldering tinned copper wire on to make feather lines on pieces too
> small to cut, but wasn't 100% satisfied, and the wire wasn't stuck to the
> glass, so it was hard to clean around.. any ideas?  Meg
> 
Two Musts -
The glass must be perfectly clean
Burnish the heck out of the foil b-4 you aolder

You can lay on foil off a roll, or use sheet foil. Use a good Xacto type
blade so you don't tear the edge, or 'crumple' it. The foil should be in
contact with the glass across the full area. Proly better off to use
60/40 or that 63/37 or whatever it's called so you don't over heat the
adhesive on the foil.
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Mike, at the Glass Gallery in Yorktown, VA marks his glass with the =
company's numbering system and when I buy, his computer point-of-sale =
program keeps track of what I have bought so when I go back in and say, =
"Mike, I want more of that lovely green from Spectrum," he knows exactly =
what color and clarity/whispy version I bought. It's a great service I =
haven't gotten at other places.

Linda Campbell
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Hi everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while.  I've been doing glass on and off
for about three years.  I was wondering though, how do you order glass
from Spectrum and Ourobourous and the others?  I buy my glass at the
local glass shop and they have a very good selection, fortunately.  But
they do not label their glass as to where it came from or what the exact
color name is.  They just have a number that they use to order it.  Do
your local suppliers label their glass with name and color or do you
just order "gray and white wispy" from a catalog page?  That doesn't
seem likely - I mean I wouldn't buy glass without looking at it.  I've
always wished that glass companies would spend a few bucks and publish a
color catalog since most of their product is sold by its color and
texture alone.  Do any of them do this?  All I've ever seen is color
sample kits available for $100 or more and I'll spare everyone my
"colorful" opinion of that practice.

Kirsten
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     Is it possible to send info to all of us instead of having each of us 
     requesting.  Sounds great!    Thanks Suzanne   shaley@mfi.com


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Author:  <glass@bungi.com> at Internet
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Yes - I am interested in more info on how to e-mail pictures/patterns. Thank 
you in advance
Bubstah@aol.com
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, his computer point-of-sale =
> program keeps track of what I have bought so when I go back in and say, =
> "Mike, I want more of that lovely green from Spectrum," he knows exactly
=
> what color and clarity/whispy version I bought. It's a great service I =
> haven't gotten at other places.
Speaking strictly as a customer, which is what I am.
This is a great idea.  All you retailer out their paying attention?  I know
I would be a more exclusive shopper with this feature.  And I try to give
my business to several retailer, cause I want them all to stay in business.
Shirley B
 


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lovely green from Spectrum,&quot; he knows exactly =3D<br>&gt; what =
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speaking of ordering glass, does anyone have any merry-go-round, especially  
in their bright yellow, green, or blue, available for shipping? i have some  
small pieces and haven't been able to find any anywhere else.

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Meg wrote:
*Another thing that I have seen mentioned here,, was that you could
stick foil to glass (across pieces) and solder, to make designs or 
fake
lines (like antenae) ... will this stay strong, even through washing 
etc.  I
tried soldering tinned copper wire on to make feather lines on pieces 
too
small to cut, but wasn't 100% satisfied, and the wire wasn't stuck to 
the
glass, so it was hard to clean around.. any ideas?*

My idea of achieving the look of something light like feathers is to 
sandblast
them into flashed glass. Many glasses that are not flashed can also 
be used.
Some of the Spectrum whispies have good color variation in depth and 
can 
produce excellent results. Also fusing a number of small pieces to a 
backing
plate, usually clear, can produce realistic results. These methods 
will stand
the test of time and normal abuse. I shy away from anything that is 
subject to 
deteration or will need rework in a few years. After we are gone 
these windows 
may be all that is left.

Fusing and blasting my way to glory, Bob

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Right on, Dione!! I'm with you. Support your local businesses!! If they
have the product, and you want/need the product, then it only makes
sense. Especially where glass is concerned. I have a studio/shop, and
sometimes even I get screwed up when I order glass. You can never be
100% sure of what you're getting. And I have most of the samples in my
studio to look at! 
Carolyn
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I am sort'a new at this and a friend asked me to repair a large glass piece
that's been hanging in the window for a few years.  The lead came is
pulling away from the glass (stretching from the weight, I think) -  It has
been patina - ed black - I have the repair made, but the re-soldering isn't
going well - not sticking - Tell me again what to do to get a secure seam
with the old patina-ed came.  thanks for all your info and help!  Namaste' 
Carol

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Glass Visions at Warner-C was more people than I ever dreamed were doing
glass! Maybe 50-100 of them took info on how to become a bungian, though
I posted no warning that they would now be called that! ;-}

The IGGA volunteers were great! Publicly I wish to thank Lavergne,
Eleanor,  Maureen, Christie, and last, but not least, shyguy (and Mrs.
shyguy)! We also got help from two of my friends from work, Carolyn and
Kathleen, who are not on the list, but follow our escapades vicariously.

I will entertain no questions about who shyguy is, what he looks like,
where he lives or anything else. If you want to know, ask HIM...or, do
like I did and con him into helping YOU next year at Glass
Visions!!<vbg>

To the new people signing on now, welcome. I hope this list is
everything we promised!

To those people who couldn't make it this year, start planning for next.
They offered almost all of the bevels in stock at 40-50% off!! Even if
the discount is only half that next year, it's worth the trip. I bought
my bevels by the box, much to my husband's dismay! There will be quicker
lines I'm sure.

Hilary
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please add my name to the list.
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> Hi to the Bungi's you can download this and use it for free.
> The ichat Pager includes the following features:
>
> =B7 Instant messages
> =B7 Friends Lists
> =B7 Quick conferences
> =B7 Drag-and-drop URL and file sending
> =B7 Real Audio
>
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Last year, i took one section of my display and hung only angels there.
Sold lots of angels!  I'll start that again in October.
Dorothy

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Before I stagger off to bed after unpacking glass and tent and
sleeping bags, I want to thank Warner-Criv for a wondrous sale
and an interesting weekend.  Yes, they were overwhelmed by the
crowd -- I couldn't even get to some of the glass bins on Saturday -
but they sure worked hard (so thanks to all the staff there).  Hope
everyone made it home safely.  More later, when my eyes start
focusing again.
Dorothy

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Dorothy wrote:
>Before I stagger off to bed after unpacking glass and tent and
>sleeping bags, I want to thank Warner-Criv for a wondrous sale
>and an interesting weekend.  Yes, they were overwhelmed by the
>crowd -- I couldn't even get to some of the glass bins on Saturday -
>but they sure worked hard (so thanks to all the staff there).  Hope
>everyone made it home safely.  More later, when my eyes start
>focusing again.
>Dorothy

Yes, and I'd like to add my two cents worth.

Thank you Charles, for your kind attention to my requests, and your staff 
for their cheerfulness and helpfulness. And to the patient ladies at the 
cash registers! You put on a great party! Thanks also for the lunch and 
making it a special day for all of us glassaholics.

Suzanne

>


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>To: wmunro@mars.ark.com
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Dorothey, about the sale at W-C you said you unpacked tent etc maybe you need
to tell us about a cheaper way to go for next time sounds like you probably
camped out somewhere did warner tell you about lodgings in the area? Easier
to bring home more stuff if you have your vehicle with you than trying to
pack and mail or carry on a plane.
deb
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mail wrote:
> =

> Message forwarded from Classic Prodigy=AE
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>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Re: craft fair
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 22:11:32 EDT
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> Last year, i took one section of my display and hung only angels there.
> Sold lots of angels!  I'll start that again in October.
> Dorothy
> =

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> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassI've never made angels do=
 you make hanging ones or the ones in stands?
Any pattern/size suggestions?   Thanks, Nancy
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     Good morning Glenna,
     
     I came across very small bungi cords -- 4" long...very thin 1/2" 
     approx.
     
     At recent show, one of the group came up with the idea of wearing a 
     bungi cord to identify subscribers.  I was wondering how that turned 
     out?
     
     My idea is to slump a 1"x2" piece of glass, attach pin to back and 
     bungi cord at top.  Name would be painted on.
     
     We have plenty of extra glass around, since fusing never throw 
     anything out!  I have 200 pins that have been around for eons and the 
     bungi cords would be free -- too small for company to work with.
     
     We could send you one and if you thought appropriate would offer--at 
     no cost to bungi subscribers who attend show.
     
     This would give me six months to work with 4-6 high school students as 
     an extra curricular art activity.  We don't charge them for lessons or 
     glass.  In fact, some have become experienced enough to earn money 
     cutting glass for our stepping stones.
     
     Let me know what you think.  I do not want to put it out on the board 
     at this time.
     
     Suzanne Haley
     Koi Glass Studio
     2531 Horseshoe Drive
     Santa Rosa, CA 95405
     (H: 707 573-8577)
     415 905-2478 (DAY 6:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m. PST)
     shaley@mfi.com
     


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[In the message entitled "Question re "bungi" name tag for Spring 1998 LV show" on Aug 26,  6:55, "Suzanne Haley" writes:]

Hi,

>      At recent show, one of the group came up with the idea of wearing a 
>      bungi cord to identify subscribers.  I was wondering how that turned 
>      out?

I'm not sure,..I wasn't there..:^(

>      My idea is to slump a 1"x2" piece of glass, attach pin to back and 
>      bungi cord at top.  Name would be painted on.
>      
>      We have plenty of extra glass around, since fusing never throw 
>      anything out!  I have 200 pins that have been around for eons and the 
>      bungi cords would be free -- too small for company to work with.
>      
>      We could send you one and if you thought appropriate would offer--at 
>      no cost to bungi subscribers who attend show.
>      Let me know what you think.  I do not want to put it out on the board 
>      at this time.

I think your idea is really neat.  I've never made anything fused yet
and would love to get one of your pins.  Which show were you planning
on distributing them at?

I was also noting that you are from Santa Rosa....we are practially
neighbors.  I've been to Santa Rosa once to visit a friend there.  It's
quite the nice place.  


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Suzanne Haley wrote:

>      Good morning Glenna,

<snip>

>      At recent show, one of the group came up with the idea of wearing
> a
>      bungi cord to identify subscribers.  I was wondering how that
> turned
>      out?

I can't speak for anyone else,I wore a cord around my neck at the recent
W/C Glass Expo, and yes people came up to me and asked if I was a
Bungian. It does work, but I am not afraid of looking different in
public.

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OK - hints for traveling cheap to a big glass sale...
We already have a tent and tenting equipment, so we find a campground
with reasonable rates (your local public library will have campground
directories, or search on-line).  There are several campgrounds
within a 30 mile radius of Allentown.  The one we stayed at charged
$18 a night (plus 25 cents for a shower!) for a tent site.  Here's
what you need -- minimum.  Tent (litle ones go for about $30), something
to sleep on (air mattress, foam pad, etc.), pillow, warm blankets (no
need for a sleeping bag, ice chest full of food you can eat cold (sand-
wiches, chicken, etc.), some dishes, towels, washrags.  Now, here's the
good part re:glass.  Alot of this stuff can be used to cushion your glass
purchases during your drive home, such as the foam pads and blankets and
towels!  (Don't forget toiletries and flashlights)
Sunday evening, at our campsite, there was a blue heron fishing in a
stream behind our tent.  Nice way to end a great day.  You want any more
info on camping or travelling cheap, ask off list.
We'll be camping somewhere near Allentown next year, you can count on it!

You know that poppy from Stained Glass News...I love that pattern and I
found the perfect red for it at W-C.  My daughter says it looks like fire.
Dorothy (who loves to travel cheap).

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I make hanging angels.  There are tons of patterns available.  I do
design most of my own, though.
I know there are pattern books devoted to angels.
Dorothy

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Hi. Linda here.  I usually do more lurking than anything, but I do have one
or two cents worth to throw into the pot on this subject.  I agree with
Shirley B. to stick with established shows and to stay away from flea
markets etc. - good advice.   I found that angels, angels,
ANGELS - sell.  I have tiny ones a couple of inches high that are good for
hanging in windows, decoration on packages, or worn as a broaches/   But
every other size imagineable also sells well.  I have angels that are
anywhere from 4 inches high to 9 inches tall, free standing that sell  well
all year long and very well indeed at Christmas. I now make them that you
can put a candle behind because that is what a lot of customers asked for
last year.  There is a book called Dimensions of Christmas by Carolyn Kyle
which is very good. But once you learn how to do these, it isn't hard to
develope your own designs.  
Other things that seem to sell well at Christmas shows are small window
hangings, angels too!  As well as small pots and bowls that could hold pot-
pourrie or other stuff.  Also candle holders of all sizes and shapes. You
could try glass boxes, but for some reason or other they don"t sell well
here (small town in Canada). Shirley says, and I agree, that $20 and less
seems to be what people want.  But you also have to have some of the
expensive stuff on display to show that you do everything.  A couple of
lamps in various sizes is a good idea, another idea is to have a couple of
mirrors cut (it really isn't very expensive) and lay tham flat to display
some of your more colourful items (angels!) Then have plenty of business
cards available for people to pick up, it is surprising how many calls you
will get 6 months later.
A really neat idea is something we happened upon by accident last year.
Have a Kaleidosscope on display and invite people to try it out.  It stops
traffic at your booth and kid of 2 to 92 simply adore it!  They don't all
buy at your booth, but they sure remember it!
Thats all that I can think of right now so --
Good Luck!  Linda      
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Suzanne Haley wrote:

>      Good morning Glenna,

<snip>

>      At recent show, one of the group came up with the idea of wearing
> a
>      bungi cord to identify subscribers.  I was wondering how that
> turned
>      out?

I can't speak for anyone else,I wore a cord around my neck at the recent
W/C Glass Expo, and yes people came up to me and asked if I was a
Bungian. It does work, but I am not afraid of looking different in
public.

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Art Glass World is advertising a live chat with Carolyn Kyle on Sept. 6th
between 6-8PM.  Don't say which time zone.  And it will cost you $5.via
credit card.
They are at http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/index.html
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Glenna. I was born and raised in Santa Rosa , it is a beautiful town 
with only one stained glass shop. For 125,000 people... I would go back
but i'm too old to start moving... What do you all propose for those of
us who refuse to wear earrings????Just musing ,nothing serious. But i
have ICQ and wonder how much support we can get  to learn how to use it
(other than for my grandson in Texas,we talk every Sunday eve. )< 
eldondo 1 @juno.com>also <eldondo@trucom.com>
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Here's a few thoughts on some of the stuff we actually saw.
Guy from "Glass Addicts" was there.  They make 3-D stars and those candle
holders and glass chimneys covered with glass blobs.  He told me all about the
candle holders...here goes..He uses regular glasses with vertical sides,
deep enough to hold a regular candle holder.  He says to use clear caulk
from the plumbing section of the hardware store.  Use a small nail to punch a
hole in the end , then use that nail to seal it when done and the the caulk
will last.  You'll need a caulking gun.  Practice caulking the blobs on so
they don't look "blobby" and they'll stay on.  Tell customers not to let
the sides of the interior candle holder touch the outer glass (he says he
had one crack).
Vivki Payne was showing mosaics, where she glues glass onto forms and then
grouts between the pieces.  She had a special frosted glass form, behind
which she taped a drawing to use as a guide for gluing.  She has
special glue and special grout.  The lampshade also has special hardware
to hang on a lamp base.  So, it occurs to me that there are frosted shades
out there that go on wall lamps or on ceiling lamps that probably could
be mosaiced.  And I wonder what else will work for glue and grout.  (clear
bathroom caulk and ???)  Now I'm not going to have the time to experiment on
this, but if anyone does, let us know.  I do, BTW, like her mosaic cutters.
Shyguy had his bungi cord around his neck, mine was at my waist and Mike's
was hanging from his computer bag....Shyguy's was easist to see.
We just installed our Glass Eye software.  My husband is busy reading
the instructions  (i can't get a hold of them yet...)

now - off to solder - and drool over my stash of glass.
Dorothy

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RED ALERT FROM CAROLYN KYLE!!!!!!!!

Dan, we had not set the date or the time for this live chat, only a
preliminary discussion agreeing that it was a good idea.

As it turns out, Chuck and I will be on vacation from Sept. 2 through Sept.
15th. at an undisclosed place.  (Not in Olympia)  We have been promising
ourselves this open space for a long time and intend to take it.  What
happened that your folks decided a date on their own and went with it???
 PLEASE CANCEL

I will be in my office Thursday and Friday for us to schedule a time and a
strategy together.

Carolyn Kyle

P.S. Whoever reads this, please see that it urgently gets to the right
person.  Thanks, Carolyn
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Dear Bungians:
Boy, is my face red.  Just sent a message intended for Art Glass World to you
guys by mistake.  You know what they say, "Haste makes waste."  Please accept
my apologies.  Dan Daniels and I have talked about the possibility of a live
chat, but as you can see from my reaction, this announcement was a surprise!

Hopefully we will get our act together and do something in the future.  And
thanks, Josh, for the heads up.  Sure got my attention!  :)  :)  :)

Best wishes to all, Carolyn Kyle

P.S. I am an occasional lurker and always learn from you bungians.  Great
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      Hi everyone,  Someone interested in stepping stones asked me if they
were struck by hail (I'm not talking golf ball size), would be damaged?  Has
anyone had a stone survive a hail storm?  What was the outcome if so?
Thanking you in advance, Sincerely, Lorna

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this goes out to carolyn kyle:

how would i go about getting my own pattern book? i want to have a book
of my little cars (like the bus). what are the general steps involved?
do i need to make up all the patterns first? what would be the deciding
point?

---Mike Savad
 
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daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote:
> 
>       Hi everyone,  Someone interested in stepping stones asked me if they
> were struck by hail (I'm not talking golf ball size), would be damaged?  Has
> anyone had a stone survive a hail storm?  What was the outcome if so?
> Thanking you in advance, Sincerely, Lorna
> 
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i've never tested it before, but i guess if you made up a junk stone,
you could whip ice cubes at it. it should give you a pretty accurate
test, though it might make you look a little silly. :)

---Mike Savad

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Carol:

That is the worst part of repairs.  I used to at least deeply 
scratch the lead and sometimes cut away part of the lead came 
face to get to a shiny surface suitable for soldering.  This 
is also difficult since frequently the solder will barely 
stick and beads up on the old lead came regardless of 
anything you do, short of replacing the came.  Or replacing
part of it.  Also try a stronger flux that will etch the came.

Charles Warner
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Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> 
> I am sort'a new at this and a friend asked me to repair a large glass
> piece that's been hanging in the window for a few years.  The lead 
> came is pulling away from the glass (stretching from the weight, I 
> think) - It has been patina - ed black - I have the repair made, but 
> the re-soldering isn't going well - not sticking - Tell me again what 
> to do to get a secure seam with the old patina-ed came.  thanks for 
> all your info and help!
> Namaste'
> Carol
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I live on the Oregon Coast and we get the occassional hail storm, nothing
like Texas, mind you.  No problem for the stepping stones.  I keep them
outside on the picnic table, so they don't even have the support of being
planted in the ground.

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Hi,

	We had a pretty bad hail storm a while back (some golfball size,
some a little smaller), and my stones were perfectly fine.

Jerri


>      Hi everyone,  Someone interested in stepping stones asked me if 
>they
>were struck by hail (I'm not talking golf ball size), would be 
>damaged?  Has
>anyone had a stone survive a hail storm?  What was the outcome if so?
>Thanking you in advance, Sincerely, Lorna
>
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	Does anyone have any information about Glastar foiler?  Is it worth 
purchasing one?  
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At 06:51 AM 8/27/97 UT, you wrote:
>	Does anyone have any information about Glastar foiler?  Is it worth 
>purchasing one?  

I think foilers are a matter of personal preference.  I have used the
Glastar and didn't like it much (but others rave about it) and have used
the Inland foiler and have had great results with it.  I think all foilers
need a few adjustments in order to get them working smoothly, and until you
do they are a major pain in the butt.

Garden of Glass
Joyce Moran

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Jill,
It's a matter of preference...
It would be best for you to try one before you buy it (check your local
retailer). We converted to them from hand foiling about 10 years ago and
teach using them. We wouldn't even think of changing now.
-Vernon

Jill Medlyn wrote:
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>         Does anyone have any information about Glastar foiler?  Is it worth
> purchasing one?
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Good question - I have thought of the same thing for my lighthouse kaleidoscopes. Pleas answer, Carolyn.

Linda

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Subject:  book question

this goes out to carolyn kyle:

how would i go about getting my own pattern book? i want to have a book
of my little cars (like the bus). what are the general steps involved?
do i need to make up all the patterns first? what would be the deciding
point?

---Mike Savad
 
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Linda Campbell wrote:
> 
> Good question - I have thought of the same thing for my lighthouse kaleidoscopes. Pleas answer, Carolyn.
> 
> Linda
> 
> ----------
> From:  M. Savad[SMTP:morn@nac.net]
> Sent:  Tuesday, August 26, 1997 8:27 PM
> To:  glass@bungi.com
> Subject:  book question
> 
> this goes out to carolyn kyle:
> 
> how would i go about getting my own pattern book? i want to have a book
> of my little cars (like the bus). what are the general steps involved?
> do i need to make up all the patterns first? what would be the deciding
> point?
> 
> ---Mike Savad
> 
> --
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Just thought you might like to look at this site.  This topic has
been discussed in an ongoing thread.  Hope this helps.

http://www.thestorefinder.com/wwwboard/messages/284.html
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Dear Bungians,

Thanks for your interest in Live Chat with Carolyn Kyle.  It is a project
that we are currently working on.  What I believe happened is that Josh saw
our test home page.  We are currently working on the software for live chat
and the date was given as a sample.  AGW plans to bring visitors live chat
with guest speakers and will announce the features in the Visitor Update
when ready.  We're working on a lot of exciting new features for our
visitors.  You may also always check what's new on AGW at
http://www.artglassworld.com/new.html.  

Here's the Latest: AGW Retailer-to-Retailer Board
This is the first passcode protected area for stained glass and art glass
retailers all over the world! Here you can relax and speak openly about any
glass related or business issues that may be on your mind. We invite you to
use this site to exchange ideas and seek out any information that may be
useful to you and your business.  Check it out at
http://www.artglassworld.com/chat.html.  

Enjoy!
Jennifer Daniels

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Once again I wore a bungi cord to W/C.  Since I still haven't unpacked alot
of "stuff" at my new address the larger collection of cords are packed
away..(probably for good).  The only one I could find ended up wrapped around
my ankle, but alas, with the sea of humanity present no legs were visible.
 Had I wrapped that one around my neck as a necklace, the folks at Warners
would have found me propped up against the "brass findings" drawers with a
purple head...  If you plan to sell your easier to wear version to the list
let me know, I can then blissfully forget about trying to find the longer
cords.
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Gee, I always wanted to be a mysterious character - any way, My ISP was
down when I got back home Sunday night, so I'm slow to respond/comment
on the 'open house'. This is my first exposure to a group of glass
people in such numbers. I am impressed that the majority of people there
Saturday and Sunday were genuinely NICE people (even non-Bungians).
Charles, his wife (my apologies, I forgot her name) were all very
gracious, and helpful, even at 7 pm , after checking people out all day
Saturday, then showing up at 8 am Sunday.
Sitting outside Sunday eating my free lunch, sharing a table with
strangers, I felt at home, amongst friends. Talking about glass, life
experiences, what our 'day jobs' were, we met an older couple from
Virginia ( who I signed up to join IGGA). He is a retired goldsmith, who
now loves glass. They've been going to W/C for 4 years. Hope to see them
again next year.
A big welcome to all new Bungians and IGGA members.
BTW -Mike Savad -  I saw your name on the Door Prize list - I guess
you'll be getting a package from Charles and company - anything from a
ring saw to a W/C baseball cap What will it be?

Hilary A. Bobker wrote:

> Glass Visions at Warner-C was more people than I ever dreamed were
> doing
> glass! Maybe 50-100 of them took info on how to become a bungian,
> though
> I posted no warning that they would now be called that! ;-}
>
> The IGGA volunteers were great! Publicly I wish to thank Lavergne,
> Eleanor,  Maureen, Christie, and last, but not least, shyguy (and Mrs.
>
> shyguy)! We also got help from two of my friends from work, Carolyn
> and
> Kathleen, who are not on the list, but follow our escapades
> vicariously.
>
> I will entertain no questions about who shyguy is, what he looks like,
>
> where he lives or anything else. If you want to know, ask HIM...or, do
>
> like I did and con him into helping YOU next year at Glass
> Visions!!<vbg>
>
> To the new people signing on now, welcome. I hope this list is
> everything we promised!
>
> To those people who couldn't make it this year, start planning for
> next.
> They offered almost all of the bevels in stock at 40-50% off!! Even if
>
> the discount is only half that next year, it's worth the trip. I
> bought
> my bevels by the box, much to my husband's dismay! There will be
> quicker
> lines I'm sure.
>
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     Don -- you need to come back and visit the Santa Rosa area!  Next time 
     up here look in the yellow pages...you will be surprised.  Jo's Glass 
     Menagerie in Rincon Valley does great work; Sherry Pierce of Pzaz 
     (author Expressions in Glass) is a genius with the theme of the shop 
     being endangered animals (she has been in business for 15 years). 
     Santa Rosa Stained Glass as been around for twenty years. Wallach 
     Glass Studio, Western Leaded Glass, Victorian Glass Design, Stained 
     Glass Masters, Taylor Vincent Stained Glass, Koi Glass Studios...
     
     Come up and visit us sometime...would love to have you.  Suzanne


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Date:    8/26/97 5:24 PM


Glenna. I was born and raised in Santa Rosa , it is a beautiful town 
with only one stained glass shop. For 125,000 people... I would go back 
but i'm too old to start moving... What do you all propose for those of 
us who refuse to wear earrings????Just musing ,nothing serious. But i 
have ICQ and wonder how much support we can get  to learn how to use it 
(other than for my grandson in Texas,we talk every Sunday eve. )< 
eldondo 1 @juno.com>also <eldondo@trucom.com>
Don DeVoto
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Dear Bungians,

Thanks for your interest in Live Chat with Carolyn Kyle.  It is a project
that we are currently working on.  What I believe happened is that Josh saw
our test home page.  We are currently working on the software for live chat
and the date was given as a sample.  AGW plans to bring visitors live chat
with guest speakers and will announce the features in the Visitor Update
when ready.  We're working on a lot of exciting new features for our
visitors.  You may also always check what's new on AGW at
http://www.artglassworld.com/new.html.  

Here's the Latest: AGW Retailer-to-Retailer Board
This is the first passcode protected area for stained glass and art glass
retailers all over the world! Here you can relax and speak openly about any
glass related or business issues that may be on your mind. We invite you to
use this site to exchange ideas and seek out any information that may be
useful to you and your business.  Check it out at
http://www.artglassworld.com/chat.html.  

Enjoy!
Jennifer Daniels

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Once again I wore a bungi cord to W/C.  Since I still haven't unpacked alot
of "stuff" at my new address the larger collection of cords are packed
away..(probably for good).  The only one I could find ended up wrapped around
my ankle, but alas, with the sea of humanity present no legs were visible.
 Had I wrapped that one around my neck as a necklace, the folks at Warners
would have found me propped up against the "brass findings" drawers with a
purple head...  If you plan to sell your easier to wear version to the list
let me know, I can then blissfully forget about trying to find the longer
cords.
Maureen
mosfunland@aol.com
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Hi, Charles!
Thanks for the invitation.  We would love to visit you folks sometime, will
try to make it will happen in the future.

This time we're headed for the southern Oregon coast.  Several days in a
little fishing berg called Westport and then more days in another fishing
berg called Gold Beach.  GB is at the mouth of the Rogue River and the salmon
are running thick and heavy.  All very laid back.  (You know, kind of like
the Clintons?? :) :)

Best always, Carolyn

P.S. The invitation works both ways.  If you folks are ever on the west
coast, we'd love to entertain you.
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A giant THANK YOU to Warner-Criv.  I never had so much fun parting with my
money.  W-C went beyond the call of duty.  Offering refreshments, free of
charge, providing additional bathroom facilities, donating door-prizes (which
were very impressive) and great enough sales to make you feel like a kid in a
toy store.  
     The vendors were plentiful and no matter how long one has been doing sg
there was something for everyone.  Sure, there were long lines in paying for
items (actually it gave one time to think about going back to pick up the
other item you know you couldn't live without) and the crowds were so thick
you couldn't sometime get next to a table to see what was going on)......but
the amount of people who came, could NOT have been anticipated....and the
workers at W-C never failed in their courtesy and  help that they  extended
to their customers.  Again, Thank You W-C   Am  looking forward to the next
one.   Lavergne
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     Maureen,
     Plan was no charge...determine postage, request stamps for mailing.  
     Would send in a diskette envelop.  Suzanne  (Koi Glass Studio 
     shaley@mfi.com)


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Once again I wore a bungi cord to W/C.  Since I still haven't unpacked alot of 
"stuff" at my new address the larger collection of cords are packed 
away..(probably for good).  The only one I could find ended up wrapped around 
my ankle, but alas, with the sea of humanity present no legs were visible.
 Had I wrapped that one around my neck as a necklace, the folks at Warners
would have found me propped up against the "brass findings" drawers with a 
purple head...  If you plan to sell your easier to wear version to the list 
let me know, I can then blissfully forget about trying to find the longer 
cords.
Maureen
mosfunland@aol.com
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Verbal Kint wrote:
> 
> Gee, I always wanted to be a mysterious character - any way, My ISP was
> down when I got back home Sunday night, so I'm slow to respond/comment
> on the 'open house'. This is my first exposure to a group of glass
> people in such numbers. I am impressed that the majority of people there
> Saturday and Sunday were genuinely NICE people (even non-Bungians).
> Charles, his wife (my apologies, I forgot her name) were all very
> gracious, and helpful, even at 7 pm , after checking people out all day
> Saturday, then showing up at 8 am Sunday.
> Sitting outside Sunday eating my free lunch, sharing a table with
> strangers, I felt at home, amongst friends. Talking about glass, life
> experiences, what our 'day jobs' were, we met an older couple from
> Virginia ( who I signed up to join IGGA). He is a retired goldsmith, who
> now loves glass. They've been going to W/C for 4 years. Hope to see them
> again next year.
> A big welcome to all new Bungians and IGGA members.
> BTW -Mike Savad -  I saw your name on the Door Prize list - I guess
> you'll be getting a package from Charles and company - anything from a
> ring saw to a W/C baseball cap What will it be?

was the list posted at the end of the day? that's pretty cool. i got a
bunch of free glass from yougheny (still does'nt help me spell the name
though). i wish i stood on the glass line, instead of the warehouse
line. at least then i would be bringing home glass, instead of a book
and 2 dragon fly bodies... oh well, maybe next year... 

it was jsut hard to believe there was that many stained glass people. i
know there's alot, but acually seeing them it's just hard to believe...


---Mike Savad


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I use a tool called a nick sander.  It is a small battery operated 
tool. with a spinning abrasive point about 1/8" across.  does a great 
job putting the shine on small areas. Good luck!
Paul


> scratch the lead and sometimes cut away part of the lead came 
> face to get to a shiny surface suitable for soldering.  This 
> is also difficult since frequently the solder will barely 
> stick and beads up on the old lead came regardless of 
> anything you do, short of replacing the came.  Or replacing
> part of it.  Also try a stronger flux that will etch the came.
> 
> Charles Warner
> ----------------------------------
> 
> Carol Rochnowski wrote:
> > 
> > I am sort'a new at this and a friend asked me to repair a large glass
> > piece that's been hanging in the window for a few years.  The lead 
> > came is pulling away from the glass (stretching from the weight, I 
> > think) - It has been patina - ed black - I have the repair made, but 
> > the re-soldering isn't going well - not sticking - Tell me again what 
> > to do to get a secure seam with the old patina-ed came.  thanks for 
> > all your info and help!
> > Namaste'
> > Carol
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I have used the Glastar foiler for a couple of years, basically since i
started working with glass so don't know a lot different.  i do know that
in my classes I have attended i usually am the fastest foiling because of
the unit.  

	Does anyone have any information about Glastar foiler?  Is it worth 
> purchasing one?  
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M. Savad wrote:
<snip>

>
>
> was the list posted at the end of the day? that's pretty cool.

 When I was leaving, the W/C staff was setting out stuff, and attaching
a copy of the registration forms to some of the prizes. They said they
had pulled the names, and were displaying them for people to pick up,
they weren't anouncing, Whoever wasn't there would get their prize
shipped. Mike's form was next on the pile, but I had to boogie back to
NY, so I diddn't get to see what it would be attached to. The stuff
ranged from Spectrum posters, 'gimmee' hats, to supposedly a Ring Saw.
Keep a lookout for the UPS driver

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Verbal Kint wrote:
> 
> M. Savad wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> >
> >
> > was the list posted at the end of the day? that's pretty cool.
> 
>  When I was leaving, the W/C staff was setting out stuff, and attaching
> a copy of the registration forms to some of the prizes. They said they
> had pulled the names, and were displaying them for people to pick up,
> they weren't anouncing, Whoever wasn't there would get their prize
> shipped. Mike's form was next on the pile, but I had to boogie back to
> NY, so I diddn't get to see what it would be attached to. The stuff
> ranged from Spectrum posters, 'gimmee' hats, to supposedly a Ring Saw.
> Keep a lookout for the UPS driver
> 
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well, i e-mailed charles, to see what i won... i kind of hope it's
glass, seeing that i already have 2 bandsaws. though that oval cutter
looks pretty cool too.

---Mike Savad

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Sitting here at work, reviewing the weekend at W/C, one thing I didn't
mention was the Morton System demo. I never got the guy's name (maybe it
was Mr. Morton Himself), but what a trouper - He went nonstop ALL day -
Didn't go to the loo, or break for food. I had never thought about
buying any thing like the Morton system b-4, but I am getting into
making lanterns and othe 'lighted' projects, which are made with a lot
of precise, repetative cuts. More of a 'production' project on top of a
creative one. His demo showed me where a lot of time can be saved, so I
bought some of his stuff.
Anyways, the reason I wanted to post this, was not to push his stuff,
but to say that I am impressed with this man. Even though he was there
to demo his products, he spent time explaining and demo'ing techniques
that will help people that don't buy his stuff. When people were amazed
at the results of the breaking tools, he asked what problems people were
having,  and most people said it was scoring and breaking glass.

He then spent a significant amount of time explaining the theory and
principles of scoring glass, having people look at the cut side of the
glass after under and over scoring

. Having attended many trade shows, dealing with anything from computers
to new car model anouncements, it was refreshing to see a vendor take
time out and do something helpful, that did not tie in to buying
something.
I'm impressed when someone does something nice for nothing.
Disclaimer - I am not affiliated with Morton Systems in any way, other
than being a new customer.

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I didn't attend since I'm on the wrong coast, but I'm sure it was Don
Abel,the owner of Morton Tools. He is a fine man,  I first ran across him
in Seattle at a trade show, and after watching him demo his products,
became sold on his tools.

Dave Loda 

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> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 11:56 AM
> 
> Sitting here at work, reviewing the weekend at W/C, one thing I didn't
> mention was the Morton System demo. I never got the guy's name (maybe it
> was Mr. Morton Himself), but what a trouper - He went nonstop ALL day -
> Didn't go to the loo, or break for food. I had never thought about
> buying any thing like the Morton system b-4, but I am getting into
> making lanterns and othe 'lighted' projects, which are made with a lot
> of precise, repetative cuts. More of a 'production' project on top of a
> creative one. His demo showed me where a lot of time can be saved, so I
> bought some of his stuff.
> Anyways, the reason I wanted to post this, was not to push his stuff,
> but to say that I am impressed with this man. Even though he was there
> to demo his products, he spent time explaining and demo'ing techniques
> that will help people that don't buy his stuff. When people were amazed
> at the results of the breaking tools, he asked what problems people were
> having,  and most people said it was scoring and breaking glass.
> 
> He then spent a significant amount of time explaining the theory and
> principles of scoring glass, having people look at the cut side of the
> glass after under and over scoring
> 
> . Having attended many trade shows, dealing with anything from computers
> to new car model anouncements, it was refreshing to see a vendor take
> time out and do something helpful, that did not tie in to buying
> something.
> I'm impressed when someone does something nice for nothing.
> Disclaimer - I am not affiliated with Morton Systems in any way, other
> than being a new customer.
> 
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Seems to be lots of advice to "stay away from flea markets".  Why is
that?  I would think things like the stepping stones or suncatchers
would go well there?  Pros & cons?
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pansy wrote:
> 
> Seems to be lots of advice to "stay away from flea markets".  Why is
> that?  I would think things like the stepping stones or suncatchers
> would go well there?  Pros & cons?
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one big reason would be people don't want to spend alot of money at a
flea market. they're looking for cheap stuff, hammer for a buck, dresser
for $30, stepping stone for $60. they don't blend in.  plus it tends to
cheapen the work, like you would'nt see an artist selling his or her
work at a tag sale. i would stick with the craft shows...

---Mike Savad

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> 
> Seems to be lots of advice to "stay away from flea markets".  Why is
> that?  I would think things like the stepping stones or suncatchers
> would go well there?  Pros & cons?

Positively Absolutely Stay Away From Flea Markets.  People want something
for nothing at those places.  That is the reason they go.  They do not have
the mind set to be buying a usually one of a kind hand made appreciated
item.
Arts and Crafts sales, YES, preferrably ones people pay to get in the door
and booth fees are $400+ are the best.

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> From: Dave & Lynn Loda <dloda@nwi.net>

> 
> I didn't attend since I'm on the wrong coast, but I'm sure it was Don
> Abel,the owner of Morton Tools. He is a fine man,  I first ran across him
> in Seattle at a trade show, and after watching him demo his products,
> became sold on his tools.
> 
> Dave Loda 
> 
Hi Dave, still waiting for you to give me a class on using Morton tools.
Any chance Mr Abel will be in Las Vegas, so us West Coast people can have
the same opportunity?
Shirley B
Ps: folks if you are like me and can't cut a straight line WITH a ruler,
this is a system worth checking out.
I don't have stock in the company either, just like to share good tool with
fellow craftsman.

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      Hi everyone, wish I could have been there to see the demo.  I bought
the morton cutter a couple years ago and it is in fact, a remarkable tool.
I always wondered how I would use my geometry in a practical sense and this
tool does it!  The angles are EXACT and easy to measure.  I don't even use a
pattern when making a lamp anymore.  I would highly recommend it.  P.S.
Mike, I got a humorous visual on smashing a sack of ice against a piece of
cement.  I needed a lift and certainly got one.  By the way, my neighbors
already think I'm cracked up!  Sincerely, Lorna

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Arts and Crafts with booth fees over $400...well, yes, they tend to be
good, but if you are a part time crafter (and glass is my THIRD job), it
is difficult to get together enough stock to make a good profit.  So if
you want to try locally...I try to avoid shows that run in conjunction
with other things (you know...people just don't want to take glass on
carnival rides!).  I generally avoid church shows.  I like shows that
involve the Women's Club, local Art Guilds, some - but not all-
professional organizers.
Dorothy

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I, also, was a surprised recipient of a door prize from W-C.  It was a
Fletcher Oval/Circle glass cutter.  Not only was the "show" impressive, but
having the good luck of winning such a nice prize,  topped off my day.
   
                                                              Lavergne
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LByrne21@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I, also, was a surprised recipient of a door prize from W-C.  It was a
> Fletcher Oval/Circle glass cutter.  Not only was the "show" impressive, but
> having the good luck of winning such a nice prize,  topped off my day.
> 
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let us know how well it works... the circle cutter i have, well, stinks,
at the end i get a spiral. being able to cut ovals would be nice...

---Mike Savad

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To answer Linda and Mike's question about getting designs published . . .

CKE Publications does publish other people's designs. Every month people send
us samples of their work and ask us if we would be interested in publishing
them. A design committee reviews all the submissions and responds personally
to each inquiry.

If someone is interested in having their designs published, the best place to
start is to obtain a copy of our submission guidelines. They can be obtained
by either calling CKE at 1-800-428-7402 or e-mailing CKE at CKEPubs@aol.com.
These guidelines will help a person prepare a very professional, complete
presentation of their work. Believe me, it's true what they say . . . first
impressions are everything! We receive everything from designs roughly
sketched on craft paper to patterns and photos almost ready to be printed!
(Guess which ones we look at the longest!)

The good news is we love to publish new, exciting designs . . . the bad news
is, we can't publish everything we like. There's just not enough time, money
or space in retail stores! So we try to publish the best designs which we
think will appeal to the most people not only in the US and Canada but
worldwide. As you can guess, this is not easy, but we try to do our best.

Presently, CKE publishes the works of over 14 different glass designers. Most
of these designers we had never heard of until we received a packet of their
materials in the mail.

If you are intersted is having your designs reviewed, please take a look at
our guidelines and mail us your presentation. We will be happy to take a look
at it. 

Marge
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To answer Linda and Mike's question about getting designs published . . .

CKE Publications does publish other people's designs. Every month people send
us samples of their work and ask us if we would be interested in publishing
them. A design committee reviews all the submissions and responds personally
to each inquiry.

If someone is interested in having their designs published, the best place to
start is to obtain a copy of our submission guidelines. They can be obtained
by either calling CKE at 1-800-428-7402 or e-mailing CKE at CKEPubs@aol.com.
These guidelines will help a person prepare a very professional, complete
presentation of their work. Believe me, it's true what they say . . . first
impressions are everything! We receive everything from designs roughly
sketched on craft paper to patterns and photos almost ready to be printed!
(Guess which ones we look at the longest!)

The good news is we love to publish new, exciting designs . . . the bad news
is, we can't publish everything we like. There's just not enough time, money
or space in retail stores! So we try to publish the best designs which we
think will appeal to the most people not only in the US and Canada but
worldwide. As you can guess, this is not easy, but we try to do our best.

Presently, CKE publishes the works of over 14 different glass designers. Most
of these designers we had never heard of until we received a packet of their
materials in the mail.

If you are intersted is having your designs reviewed, please take a look at
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Marge
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What is your feelings about local High School shows.. Have a few of them in my area.
Gloria 

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Arts and Crafts with booth fees over $400...well, yes, they tend to be
good, but if you are a part time crafter (and glass is my THIRD job), it
is difficult to get together enough stock to make a good profit.  So if
you want to try locally...I try to avoid shows that run in conjunction
with other things (you know...people just don't want to take glass on
carnival rides!).  I generally avoid church shows.  I like shows that
involve the Women's Club, local Art Guilds, some - but not all-
professional organizers.
Dorothy

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Hi,

A quick question about bevels....Are they usually copperfoiled?
I want to experiment with making boxes and long triangular tubes 
and was wondering if the foil would hold.


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I disagree about the church shows.  We have a wonderful show in its
eighth year and one of the best if not best show of the season at one of
our local churches.  The show is so well organized from setup to helping
the exhibitors with relief and change to parking for the customers.  
This show can make more in a one day  9-4 time frame  than a 2 to 3 day,
8 - 10 hour a day show by a large organization.   I think you have to
take each show individually.  Good luck with your shows this season. 
Each show is different and remember that next year at that same things
may be different.  But atleast you'll have an idea of what to expect.  
dee
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Glenna Rand wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A quick question about bevels....Are they usually copperfoiled?
> I want to experiment with making boxes and long triangular tubes
> and was wondering if the foil would hold.
> 
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oh sure foil's fine to use. just foil it like you would a normal piece
of glass. the only thing to remember is to use a silver/black/whatever
backed foil to match the patina.



---Mike Savad

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Hi Glenna,

	Just curious.  What are the long triangular tubes?  What do you
do with them?

Jerri


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>A quick question about bevels....Are they usually copperfoiled?
>I want to experiment with making boxes and long triangular tubes 
>and was wondering if the foil would hold.
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[In the message entitled "Re: Bevels" on Aug 29, 21:42, Jerri M Roey writes:]

> 	Just curious.  What are the long triangular tubes?  What do you
> do with them?

I'm not sure yet, but I plan on trying to fill them with dried flowers
or something.  Ornament..



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>       Hi everyone,  Someone interested in stepping stones asked me if they
> were struck by hail (I'm not talking golf ball size), would be damaged?  Has
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> Thanking you in advance, Sincerely, Lorna
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Oh brother!!! At a recent craft show I thought I heard it all when asked
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Foil goes well with bevels for boxes and things of the like. I think 
that came is best for things like the bevel border in a window. The 
regularity of leading seems to complement the regularity of the bevel.
 This holds for windows that are otherwise foiled. Just an opinion.

When foiling a bevel it is a good practice to offset the foil to the 
beveled side by a slight amount. This is due to the longer distance 
the beveled side has to go to come even with the flat backside. The 
earlier comment about using copper, silvered or black backed foil is 
well taken. Otherwise the clear untextured bevel will show the 
difference between the foil and the finished piece.

Get foiled, Bob
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Here are the latest books to be added to the Guild Library ... they 
were added this morning ... just go to http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ 
and click on "The Newest Books!"  Hope there's something you've been 
looking for. <s>

Art Deco and Geometric Stained Glass Patterns Book
 Richard Welch, Hollis Welch / NR Edition / Published 1997

Miniature Masterpieces : Mosaic Glass 1838-1924
 Giovanni Sarpellon / Hardcover / Published 1997

Stained Glass in England
 June Osborne / Hardcover / Published 1997

Stained Glass in England
 June Osborne / Paperback / Published 1997

John Piper and Stained Glass
 June Osborne / Hardcover / Published 1997

The Art of Glass : Art Nouveau to Art Deco
 Victor Arwas / Hardcover / Published 1997

The Glassmakers (Colonial Craftsmen)
 Leonard Everett Fisher / Library Binding / Published 1997

Art of Stained and Decorative Glass
 John Burdick / Hardcover / Published 1997

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Just an "Attention" Television news carries the stores-
Princess Diana, has been killed in an Auto Accident in Paris
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What an unspeakable tragedy.  I'm still welling up about it.  Unlike so
many people I know, she wouldn't have stuck her nose up in the air and
just walked past me.  She would have taken my hand and smiled and said
hello for no reason other than the warmness of her heart compelling her
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Hi

I am looking for a celtic cross or knot patterns.  Any suggestions
where I might find a pattern or two?


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Dear Friends,

My own e-mail bag is filling up rapidly today from friends all over 
the world.
People in the UK are totally stunned, in a state of shock and 
disbelief. All tv programmes have been cancelled, foot-ball and other 
sporting events likewise.

A famous statement made by Diana, Princess of Wales was:
"There is no greater or worse disease in the World than that of being 
unloved".

She was a tremendeous, simple, genuine and warm Humanitarian.

There is a British Royal WEB-site,which now also carries an Obituary 
already. But it will probably take a long time to load....
http://www.royal.gov.uk

Thank you for all your messages.
At 8 this morning the British public had laid flowers in front of her 
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Glenna said:
>I am looking for a celtic cross or knot patterns.  Any suggestions
>where I might find a pattern or two?

There was a pattern for a "Celtic knot project inspired by ancient Celtic knot designs"
in issue #35 of Stained Glass News, which I believe was the issue for February 1997,
so you may still be able to find a spare copy at your retailer or Delphi or Warner.
 Not sure if we're allowed to copy and distribute those patterns or not, if we are
I can send you a copy.

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I know that it wouldn't be a problem to send out the pattern for the Celtic
Knot as it comes free with Stained Glass News.  I'm sure you'll find someone
who has it.  If not, I could send you a copy.

I just heard that Stained Glass News is arriving at the shops who are good
enough to purchase them and hand them out free to their customers!  I know
that my customers always look forward to them to see what Scott at SGN has
put together.

Dione
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Hi Glenna,

I got two very good Celtic pattern books from Amazon Press (on line) and
am looking for them now.  Will post again after I locate them.  Still in
shock for the events in the last 12 hours.  Such a senseless and
unnecessary tragedy. A refusal of the public to buy any print media that
publishes the pictures taken immediately after the crash will do more
than any legislation, and continued refusal to buy, when 'spying'
pictures of anyone are taken, and published.  

 Amazon Press is on line, and can be searched for subject.  

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations

Glenna Rand wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> I am looking for a Celtic cross or knot patterns.  Any suggestions
> where I might find a pattern or two?
> 
> --
> Glenna Rand
> gjr@bungi.com
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> I got two very good Celtic pattern books from Amazon Press (on line) and
> am looking for them now.

They're also included in the patterns section of the Guild's Library 
online (address below). You're really ordering from Amazon.com that 
way, though you're not paying anything in addition, but a percentage 
of your book purchases come back to the Guild to help run its 
programs.

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[In the message entitled "Re: Celtic Patterns" on Aug 31, 15:30, "Albert Lewis" writes:]
> 
> > I got two very good Celtic pattern books from Amazon Press (on line) and
> > am looking for them now.
> 
> They're also included in the patterns section of the Guild's Library 
> online (address below). You're really ordering from Amazon.com that 
> way, though you're not paying anything in addition, but a percentage 
> of your book purchases come back to the Guild to help run its 
> programs.

What are they under?  I found the Celtic Coloring Book...


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> What are they under?  I found the Celtic Coloring Book...

That's it, Glenna ... or, I should say, that's one of them. Dover 
calls them "coloring books," I think, because that broadens the 
market for them. Kids can just use them for coloring books, but 
stained-glass windows can be built from them (as I understand it) 
because they're perfectly suited to that.

Heck, for $3.16 it's hard to go wrong. <s>

They're both in http://www.aiap.com/amazon/pattern2.htm  One's called 
"Celtic Stained Glass Coloring Book" and the other one's "Little 
Celtic Stained Glass Coloring Book." When you hit the page, press 
Control-F and type in the word Celtic. Press enter and you'll 
instantly be teleported to the first one. <g> Press it again and 
you'll get the second one. Those live links take you to Amazon.com 
Books, but by accessing them via the Guild's links, the Guild'll get 
... um, let's see: 47 cents if you buy Celtic and 12 cents if you get 
Little Celtic.  Big bucks. <g>

Albert

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Glenna Rand wrote:
>
>I am looking for a celtic cross or knot patterns.  Any suggestions
>where I might find a pattern or two?

Hi Glenna,

There is a Dover book called "Historic Styles Stained Glass Pattern Book" 
by Ed Sibbett, Jr. (s) that has a few really great Celtic patterns. 




Suzanne Albright
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[In the message entitled "Re: Celtic Patterns" on Aug 31, 18:02, suzanne albright writes:]
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> There is a Dover book called "Historic Styles Stained Glass Pattern Book" 
> by Ed Sibbett, Jr. (s) that has a few really great Celtic patterns. 

I just ordered it...
Thanks everyone for your help.



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Dear Glenna (and others interested....)

An excellent source and resource book on Celtic designs you will find

"Celtic Art - The Methods of Construction" by George Bain and 
published by Constable , London.

ISBN No.  0 09 461830 5

It doesn't actually give you stained glass designs as such to copy, 
but does show you  in very fascinating & interesting detail how the 
Celtic designs work and why. I found this book a great help for my 
own Celtic design efforts.
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK
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Hi Glenna,

Lark Books is another source, 800-284-3388 ask for a catalog.  This book
is 'Celtic Key Patterns' (Iain Bain) Sterling Publishing Co Inc.  They
(Sterling Publishing) have several 'Celtic Knot' and Pattern titles.  It
lets you plan and join your own patterns, with a description of
meanings.  There are some stencils available in a couple of the 'Craft
Supply' mail order books also.  I have found some examples in the 'How
to' section of Craft Supply stores too.  For repetitive patterns don't
overlook the 'Quilting Section' also.

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations
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Dear Suzanne,
My thoughts and prayers will be tenderly embracing Glenna as she 
attempts Celtic designs according to the Wisdom of Great Guru Ed 
Sibbett Jr........... (Yeah, I know the book). Let's just say... 
there are better ones around....... In the meantime, I think I'll 
just shut my eyes...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Hi Glenna,

There is a Dover book called "Historic Styles Stained Glass Pattern Book" 
by Ed Sibbett, Jr. (s) that has a few really great Celtic patterns. 




Suzanne Albright
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